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Conversation with Prime Minister Salih Hudayar on Human Rights and In-Depth Interviews: Prime Minister, East Turkistan – Government-in-Exile (7)


Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Publication (Outlet/Website): In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal

Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2021/09/01


PM Salih Hudayar is the Prime Minister of East Turkistan (Government-in-Exile) and the Founder of the East Turkistan National Awakening Movement. He discusses: human rights abuse; and in-depth interviews.

Keywords: China, Chinese, colonialism, government-in-exile, Prime Minister, Salih Hudayar, Turks, Uyghurs.

Conversation with Prime Minister Salih Hudayar on Human Rights and In-Depth Interviews: Prime Minister, East Turkistan – Government-in-Exile (7)

*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*

*Interview conducted October 20, 2020.*

Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Do you think these human rights abuses and extreme levels of corruption and colonization can continue indefinitely or will there simply be a temporary phase in those efforts of the Chinese government?

Salih Hudayar: So, it won’t continue indefinitely because either they’re going to wipe us out. At that point, after they wiped us out they would have achieved their objective. It’s going to continue until they reach that objective or until we get our independence which is the only two ways to see this. This is not just specific to that; most people don’t know about East Turkistan and our struggle. They think that “Oh, it’s just the Communist Party.” No, it’s just the issue of the Communist Party. Before the Communist Party came in, we were actually fighting against the National Republic of China. We had defeated them. The Chinese, the communists, they’re like, “Hey, let’s align together to fight against the nationalists.”

And we’re like, no, thank you. our leaders, the initial leaders who died in the plane crash were like, no, thank you. The other one due to Soviet pressure, were forced to signed up by their treaty, which ultimately brought us to this day to being wiped out. Even before that, like before the Republic of China even the Chinese imperial dynasties, they always wanted to occupy East Turkistan. In fact, our issue why China said it’s a part of China since the ancient time is because during the Han dynasty nearly two thousand years ago, over two thousand years ago, to control the Silk Road, the ancient Silk Road, because much like today, the ancient Silk Road is what is most connecting China to the Central Asia and to the Middle East and ultimately to Europe.

And so the Han dynasty, they sent ten military expeditions to try to take over East Turkistan and failed, except only they were able to briefly occupy the area. China like the U-9 area which actually has been incorporated into China out of the East Turkistan for about seven decades. So using that because they were able to briefly occupy this for seven decades, 2,000 years ago, China’s claim that East Turkistan is part of China since ancient times. If you don’t be like seeing it, if Greek, for example, Alexander the Great, he’s Greek Macedonian. It’s like saying the Greeks are claiming Afghanistan, parts of northern India and Iran as part of Greece since ancient times. If we’re going to go that way, or even the Romans, they ruled Egypt for over 600 years. But you don’t see Italy coming out and saying that Egypt used to be a part of Rome, of Italy since ancient times.

So for us, there’s only two solutions. There’s only one solution for us. But getting back to your question, to when will the colonization end, what about the genocide and the concentration camps. It’ll end when they have either achieved their ultimate goal of wiping us out and colonizing, fully colonizing East Turkistan to where we are actually a minority like Native Americans or others to where we won’t have posed a threat. There won’t be a threat even if we push for independence. But if you have one percent of the population and you try to push for independence, no one one’s going to take that seriously. It’ll be like, whatever – have your little reservation and go dancing to your music type of thing.

And the other solution, which is a solution that we desire, we will never give up on this independence. That’s when we can truly end this. After that, we can reconcile with them. We can recompile the meeting they remain in China, we remain in East Turkistan. We improve diplomatic relations just the way Israel through diplomatic relations with Germany on the basis that Germany accepted that like under the Nazis committed a genocide and paid reparations.

Jacobsen: Prime Minister, I’m just being mindful of time. So, I like to ask you one last question. Any thoughts or feelings in conclusion based on the conversation today?

Hudayar: Yes. Firstly, I want to thank you for taking the time to do this in-depth interview. I think if we had more in-depth interviews like this, I think the world would be able to understand what was really going on. The issue of East Turkistan, it’s not just a human rights issue. We have to look at the roots of the problem. Why is this genocide happening? Why are these people being sent to a concentration camp? Why are they being used as forced labor? Why are they being sterilized? Why are they trying to colonize? We have to look at the root of the problem. The root is that we were an independent nation that was invaded militarily and occupied. That’s an illegal invasion. We didn’t provoke China to do anything. We were minding our own business. They just came in and took over our country. It’s colonialism in the 21st century.

China is trying to colonize our country to achieve its geopolitical agenda, achieving its Chinese dream. this is something that the world needs to understand if they really want to help address our issue. The U.N., for example, has a declaration on granting independence to colonized people’s, countries and peoples. We still uphold that. Because we through that, we can get our independence through international law. Under international law, under that declaration, we have the right to independence. This is something no one can deny. Ultimately to seek a solution to this problem, people need to know why this problem is happening. Because if we don’t know why it’s happening. If we just think that, “Oh, there’s just locking up.” We go into concentration camps, starting in 2016 or 2017. We don’t look at the historical aspects. We’re not going to achieve any meaningful resolution to this problem.

Jacobsen: Thank you very much for your time today. I appreciate it.

Hudayar: Thank you so much. You have a wonderful day.

Jacobsen: Take care. You too. Bye-bye.

Appendix I: Footnotes

[1] Prime Minister, East Turkistan (Government-in-Exile); Founder, East Turkistan National Awakening Movement (ETNAM).

[2] Individual Publication Date: August 22, 2021:; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2021:


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