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An Interview with DeAngelos Williams


Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Publication (Outlet/Website): Medium (Humanist Voices)

Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2018/01/10

Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So was there a family background in non-belief?

DeAngelos Williams: No, my family comes from Christian backgrounds.

Jacobsen: What about your personal background. When did you, you know, come to non belief?

Williams: Actually, my first year being in college I became more agnostic. By the end of December, I became an atheist. I was lost. I was searching for Jesus. I started learning more about religion. I learned about science and religion, and drifted from Christianity.

Jacobsen: What do you see as some of the threats to secularism now?

Williams: It depends on your part of the world, but, with America, I think it’s religious fundamentalists in America because there’s people that think evolution is untrue. They talk about anti-science, like they’ll be against science. Christian fundamentalists keeps their thought against it, which is a problem to any society. I see that as being a big problem for secularism.

Jacobsen: What do you see as issues of secularism on campus?

Williams: I’d say on my campus the biggest issue is that students, even secularist students I met, won’t be involved with secular related issues, e.g. being part of the club. It is important. I see that, especially people who are atheist, they are very much anti-group to begin with.

Being an atheist or secularist group, it’s hard to convince them to be part of that group, especially being involved. I think that’s a big issue. It is convincing people to be involved with the clubs and being involved with those issues to begin with.

Jacobsen: What are some of the activities of the organization — social and political activism, educational projects?

Williams: My organization in the past had things like debate and speakers.

Jacobsen: Have you invited any speakers?

Williams: Yes, we have invited speakers to debates, which is inviting a speaker for a debate. Various non-believers have been invited to campus. My club in the past had Richard Dawkins, Ryan Bill, and Greg Austin come. It depends on the semester.

We also have other events. Sometimes, we do things with other clubs on campus. For example, we did Free Expression Day, where we teamed up with college libertarians to tell people about the first amendment and what free expression means in American culture

Jacobsen: Who is a personal hero or heroine for you?

Williams: As far as top of my head, I’d say probably Gretta Vosper, to me. She is a pastor, who was preaching while he an atheist, openly. I wish more people understood that to me religion is more a divider between people and what should be important should be unity and understanding.

Jacobsen: What do you see as a positive of religion?

Williams: Religion has many things that are positive, so it has community outreach. Also, religious organizations give people a sense of community. But in my personal opinion, I guess you can call me somewhat of an anti-theist in the sense that I think there’s really nothing that religion could do possibly to how I think secularism can do better because I’m a secular humanist.

I see most religion is positive, but it carries the extra baggage of religion. So I think most things can be done better secularly than religiously.

Jacobsen: Based on the conversation today, do you have any final thoughts or feelings?

Williams: Final thoughts or feelings, nothing that I can think of right now.

I always had a natural BS detector. When I got to college, I can tell they were making logical fallacies. I had over thirty logical fallacies. The atheist made more sense than the Christian, when I was a Christian. There is not a good argument for God that science doesn’t already allow. It’s because it doesn’t make any sense — and you’re too caught up with the Christian in my perspective.

Jacobsen: Thank you very much for your time, DeAngelo.

Williams: Have a good rest of the day. Hope your interviews go well.

Jacobsen: Thank you very much. You take care.


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