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The Greenhorn Chronicles 37: Deborah Clayton on Equestrian Fashion and a Respect for Show Jumping (1)

2023-01-08

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Publisher: In-Sight Publishing

Publisher Founding: January 1, 2014

Web Domain: http://www.in-sightpublishing.com 

Location: Fort Langley, Township of Langley, British Columbia, Canada

Journal: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal

Journal Founding: August 2, 2012

Frequency: Three (3) Times Per Year

Review Status: Non-Peer-Reviewed

Access: Electronic/Digital & Open Access

Fees: None (Free)

Volume Numbering: 11

Issue Numbering: 2

Section: E

Theme Type: Idea

Theme Premise: “Outliers and Outsiders”

Theme Part: 27

Formal Sub-Theme: “The Greenhorn Chronicles”

Individual Publication Date: January 8, 2023

Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2023

Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Interviewer(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Interviewee(s): Deborah Clayton

Word Count: 4,959

Image Credits: Deborah Clayton

International Standard Serial Number (ISSN): 2369-6885

*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citations, after the interview.*

*Interview conducted January 5, 2023.*

Abstract

Deborah Clayton is the Lead Buyer/Vendor Relations for Thunderbird Show Park (2017-Present). She has been the Retail Store Manager for Tbird Clothing Co., a freelance designer, Sole Proprietor/Head Buyer/Designer/Merchandiser of PuddleJumpers Fine Children’s Clothing, Designer for Cutting Edge Designs, a professional model for BIP Daisho/Excel Models, Senior Customer Service Representative for Alders International Duty Free, a fashion consultant for Cactus. She is a graduate of KPU’s Fashion/Apparel Design program. Clayton discusses: other options; the expansion; area of specialization within fashion; the key pieces of information or theories of fashion and technology; program in New York; being part of that 35; lesson from that 8-hour period; the background in the field; to a challenging clientele; admixtures; the women clientele and the men clientele; historical trends of equestrianism; fashionable, but boutique; heritage; the business structure for income generation; the retail industry has struggled during Covid; the best sellers; the souvenir items; balance; Canadian culture is accepting and flexible compared to the past for working moms; Iceland; international community; philosophy on customer service; other businesses; a very large ensemble; dedicated village; and show jumpers.

Keywords: Brunette the Label, Chanel, Deborah Clayton, Debra Garside, Desert International Horse Park, Dior, Fashion Design and Clothing Technology, Fashion Institute in New York, Feizal Virani, Iceland, Kwantlen Polytechnic University, Miriam Alden, North America, Salmon Arm, Tbird, Thermal, Thunderbird, Vancouver, Wilson School of Design.

The Greenhorn Chronicles 37: Deborah Clayton on Equestrian Fashion and a Respect for Show Jumping (1)

Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Okay, so, let’s start from the top, what gave you an interest in fashion? What were other options on the table for you – other than fashion? I am aware of some for you, now.

Deborah Clayton: It was a love of law. I was accepted into law school, but I loved fashion. More importantly, a history of fashion, designers like Chanel and Dior (Christian Dior), really an appeal of French designers as well as the Japanese. I chose a creative route. One of the best programs in the West at KPU, Kwantlen Polytechnic University.

Jacobsen: Was this around the time the wealthy couple opened the expansion? I forget the name.

Clayton: They opened the campus in Richmond. Later, they opened the school Chip Wilson sponsored, the Wilson School of Design.

Jacobsen: Was there an area of specialization within fashion, or was it fashion in general that was the interest for you?

Clayton: My degree was called Fashion Design and Clothing Technology. It encompassed everything from concept to design to construction to delivery. Ironically, because of Thunderbird, I am using every single thing I learned back in the 90s, currently. That’s really, really super rewarding.

Jacobsen: How did you develop your educational experience and knowledge base as you went through Kwantlen Polytechnic University? What were some of the key pieces of information or theories of fashion and technology?

Clayton: We were taught everything from the drafting to the pattern making to the factory costing, the design, history, the processes. The program is second to none in Canada. It was hours and hours of doing it, and application, and mentoring. You had mentoring with a designer. I was with Feizal Virani in Vancouver for two months under his tutelage. I had researched the program. It was modelled after FIT in New York.

Jacobsen: What was that program in New York?

Clayton: The Fashion Institute in New York is the best in North America.

Jacobsen: What does it bear as its mark within the fashion industry in North America?

Clayton: With the case of FIT in New York and KPU, you have to apply. There is a lengthy application process. When I was accepted, I had to come down. I lived in Salmon Arm. I came down to Vancouver and did an interview. They made us do a math exam. It is important to know dimensions in drafting. We had to present a portfolio and also a garment we had designed. In the end, there were 35 of us accepted into the program out of what they said was 1,000 applicants.

Jacobsen: Wow. What was it like being part of that 35?

Clayton: It was hilarious. We were a tight group. It was friendly. We were in the old campus. If you have ever watched the show Project Runway, it was, literally, like that at deadline. People think that is dramatic for television. It isn’t.

Jacobsen: [Laughing]

Clayton: We would be kept there until 11 o’clock. It was like a bell would ring. The janitor would say, “You have to go out.” We would be like, “No!” They would say, “Time’s up.” The final exam, they gave us measurements of a fictional person and their occupation. They said, “Here is the fabric, design a dress for them.” It was interesting. Everything came out differently for every student. You were given 8 hours to do it. From the measurements to designing to pattern drafting to sewing to finishing and costing and presenting, after 8 hours, there were people who didn’t finish. The stress levels: It was the most stressful time in my life.

Jacobsen: What was the lesson from that 8-hour period for you?

Clayton: Now, I know. They made it so stressful so life would feel easier. Because, for instance, I am working the factory for Thunderbird’s private line, the private collection. Yes, I designed it. On Monday, I approved dip samples, the colours. I’m not making the dips. I’m not making the clothing. I’m not putting our logo on. Someone else is doing it. I am managing it, but I have my role. Where, in school, you did every role. That wasn’t realistic. When you’re designing, you have a team that supports you.

Jacobsen: One thing I notice with horse people akin to what you’re saying with fashion. It is nice to know some of the theory. However, you need to have the background in the field. You have to be on the ground working to really get a sense of, not only what each role is but also, the practical elements of how the systems relate to one another.

Clayton: I agree. You see that at the Show Park. There are so many people who go into a horse’s success. It is a team. Horse people are very savvy. They are hard working. Sometimes, surprisingly, down to earth, at the same time, they demand quality. So, designing for horse people has been awesome, because, I know, first and foremost, you want things to be chic and inspiring, but we have a level of quality that must be adhered to.

Jacobsen: There are businesses like Miriam Alden’s Brunette the Label in Vancouver. She has described, in a recent article in the Vancouver Sun (Harris, 2022) about her, about being a horse crazy girl or being a woman equestrian, where it is this idea of trying to keep the high fashion with the dirty barn culture that comes with it because you’re constantly cleaning up. How do you orient to a challenging clientele with that sensibility?

Clayton: That comes down to fabrics, to textiles. I could design something and think, “I would love for it to have silk in it.” But realistically, it has to go in the washing machine. It has to be laundered. It has to work in the barn. There is a limit to how chic in can be, because it has to perform. When I’m buying as well as designing for Show Park, I have to look at a performance factor.

Jacobsen: What admixtures work?

Clayton: Instead of 100% cotton, we are doing a 40:60 blend in our textiles, so it can hold up. It can be handled and laundered. Also, the stretch, it has the performance element. Also, sometimes, a waterproofing because, as you know the area, the elements play into it. Funny enough, in California, down at Thermal, they are getting tons of rain right now.

Jacobsen: [Laughing].

Clayton: I am always looking to get things like a chic poncho because they can throw it on and it keeps them dry. Also, with equestrians, we want it to look good on a horse too, because it is a totally different challenge. When I look at a t-shirt, we did 1, one year. Where I did a design down the back, it went the whole length of the back. It looked good on hangers. It looked good in the shop. Right? But when they sat, it looked weird. Because you don’t, normally, worry about how things look sitting down. But I love to see the Tbird clothing on riders on their horse. I think it is fabulous when it still looks good. So, I am very mindful of the length and how it looks as they are warming up on the horse, which is, definitely, unique.

Jacobsen: How do you cater to the women clientele and the men clientele based on differences in the fashion tastes, aesthetic tastes?

Clayton: For the women, it is, definitely, fit. They tend to be a leaner lady. I, generally, design for the fit rider who is a little more petite in stature. For the men, I find they’re all striving to be in good shape too. They want to be comfortable. We are looking at stretch elements. Fabrics that have a nice hand. Performance, for sure. Honestly, they like a lean look. They are not looking for big, oversized, and boxy. It is not our client.

Jacobsen: A lot of the people coming internationally, they ride all the time and riding burns a lot of calories.  

Clayton: They are body conscious. I notice that with the clientele. Even if they are thinking something, they want a close-to-body fit, but also flattering. It is a more tailored fit, generally.

Jacobsen: Now, I am aware, vaguely, that the red coats, probably, come from a historical trend of fox hunting with the little trumpets and the English aristocracy. Do historical trends of equestrianism play into how you form the fashion and the colour coding, outside of the Tbird brand?

Clayton: Definitely, there is that nod to the past. I would love to be able to get into that. But we’re very conscious that we are branding ourselves for the masses. Yes, we want the riders to purchase. We want employees. We want fans. Our base is very, very broad. We do ship worldwide. I just shipped to California. Two ordered this week. I ship to New Zealand, England, Australia, Ireland. There is a following for the brand. I will not say it is what I am designing. They want Tbird. It is a nod to 50 years. It is our golden anniversary. 50 years, people crave having Tbird. When you get into the tailored jackets, that is very specific. It has to fit well. A nod to past, as you say, to performance, I think we leave that to the manufacturers who have been doing it so well for so long. We can’t be everything for everyone. My background, my collection, when I graduated, I did a very tailored collection. I really love tailoring. It is, probably, my favourite thing in the world. It would bring the cost up too much, too, Scott. Now, you’re looking at $600/$800 jackets, as a souvenir from Tbird. It is making us too elite, too exclusive. We’re trying to be inclusive.

Jacobsen: Is the attempt to sort of make some of the sport fashionable, but boutique?

Clayton: Yes, we’re told that we’re doing it well, as a brand. The feedback is amazing. I hear from people all over the world. I had a call with someone who was ordering. She said, “I travelled all over the world.” She is an official. So, she is all over with equestrianism. She said, “My favourite things are coming out of Thunderbird.” It is amazing feedback. We are doing something right.

Jacobsen: Tbird does have the international flavour to it. It was part of Major League, recently. It had two 5* events back-to-back in 2022. It is there. It is present on the international stage, certainly, especially in May and August. If this is the 50th year for George and Diane founding Thunderbird, how do you intend, if you do, to give a nod to their heritage with this particular larger business?

Clayton: I don’t want to give too much away. We have a few exciting things. We will be giving a nod to the past in terms of merchandising. The line is under production right now, at the factory. I design the uniforms too, Scott. We’ve added a brand new beautiful logo designed by our team. A nod to 50 years. The only other thing I can say, I’ve got a couple of pieces that were inspired by it being the golden anniversary. 50 being the golden. So, it gives a subtle hint. There might be a touch of gold.

Jacobsen: [Laughing] I could imagine orange turning a bit gold.

Clayton: [Laughing] Yes. Orange is huge to us. That is a thing I should say; that’s a colour. I love orange. Most of us do. Some people, it is not our favourite. What we do, we keep our staff in orange, predominantly. So, when you walk around the Park, you see the orange jacket, the orange sweatshirt, the khaki bottoms. We all wear it, from management down to janitorial. It unifies the team. So, that’s really fun too. So, every employee has that. I try and bring orange tie-ins into the hats or some of the clothing. We’re aware that if we sell an orange jacket and the staff wear orange jackets. It is problematic. People do ask for more orange. But we keep it exclusive to our team. It is our Tbird orange. We’re adding some really great hats this year too. A new hat line, a straw line, from California. It was to have a nod to the 50th anniversary. Our hard goods… it is going to be really, really special.

Jacobsen: Does the business structure for income generation for Tbird clothing differ substantially from other fashion businesses, or is it taking much of a similar line to other fashion businesses? And if it is different, how so?

Clayton: It is the same. You have cost of goods and margins, and sales. So, it is very simple. I have been doing this for 35 years. That is the easy side of it. What is easy and different, how the village erupts during shows that can be thousands of people, they come back 2 or 3 times per day or, at least, every day. That is not a normal situation to even have someone visit your website every day, let alone come into your bricks-and-mortar store. Our sales are accelerated by the sheer volume of people.

Jacobsen: Now, I have heard the retail industry has struggled during Covid, since the beginning of Covid and onward. Does this impact the expected income generation for Tbird clothing, or do you see a compensatory mechanism for more income online, or does having these vendors and this village make this impact null?

Clayton: I know how everyone is doing in vendor row. People want the upscale souvenir. It is not normal. I tell the team, “We have something really special going on.” Because I know what it is like to have a company during recessions and the door not open, but we have people coming and going constantly. We are so grateful. It is so lovely.

Jacobsen: What items tend to be the best sellers?

Clayton: Hats! Hats, hats, hats, and the sweatshirts, pullovers, we sell thousands of hats per year.

Jacobsen: Are those the souvenir items people can take home with them?

Clayton: Yes, it is a price point. You take it home yourself or to your staff back at home, or the barn, whoever looked at your animals while you were away, e.g., dog or cat. We sell thousands of units.

Jacobsen: That’s also true from personal experience. I know a friend who went to Thermal, brought me back a hat from Desert International Horse Park, went back to Montreal, dropped off her cat, got me a Montreal hat. Yes, I mean, it is, definitely, in line with some of the culture; I’ve seen.

Clayton: I can say that about the culture of equestrians. I knew it a little bit. I know it a lot more after 6 years. They are the most generous people I’ve ever met, bar none. I’ve been in sport, in hockey. They come in at the last hour and say, “We’re all loaded up, but we need gifts for this, this, this, and this.” It is phenomenal. We are very conscious of it being a gifting experience too. We want the affordability. I always say, “We are going to be inclusive for everyone.” I want everyone to be able to walk into Tbird clothing and to buy something. So, we need different price levels.

Jacobsen: People have been very hospitable to me, too. It has been the same with the interviews too. They say, “Yes”. Unless, they have too many time conflicts.

Clayton: I think they are generous in every way. I love when the shows are on. I love the family history of the Tidball family. I go back with them. They used to shop at my business for their children.

Jacobsen: That’s so funny.

Clayton: Laura and Brent were customers of mine in the 2000s with their son. It is really neat.

Jacobsen: This is a relevant point too. It is not discussed much in general culture. But I think it is an important point. You have a life outside of your business. You are a mom. You have successful children. They have gone to UBC, and so on. How do you balance making sure your children have standards of excellence for themselves, they achieve, as well as your own business pursuits and ambitions? What is your recipe for balance of those two? What is your recipe for success in both regards?

Clayton: That’s a good question. I know, for sure, I always evaluate a 5-year plan or a set of 5-year plans. After I had my children, as a designer, I was designing bridal gowns. That became complicated when you have three boys who are playful. I said, “This isn’t going to work much longer. I don’t have the time. I am worried where they are stored. I had a studio.” We stopped that. We built a home, a custom home, too. That’s the creative. Then I opened my business, which was open for 13 years. Then there was a break. I think, there are chapters in your life. My priority before coming to Thunderbird was the boys really needing me. They were in critical points of their boarding or education. They needed support and a cheerleader, and my husband as well. I wasn’t bored. I was like, “I need something.” I am thrilled that, in my late 40s, this chapter opened up where I am designing and merchandising, and growing the vendor operations at Thunderbird, working within the team. Also, I am working the factory on production. I am learning new skills, which everyone should want to learn until the day they die. The flexibility, I have flexibility. Family is first. That is universal at Thunderbird. If something comes up with family, that comes first. As much as I love the work, you have to set those priorities.

Jacobsen: Do you find Canadian culture is accepting and flexible compared to the past for working moms?

Clayton: Oh, it’s amazing now. I know lots of people, where having that year off after you have a child and being able to work from home. It’s just phenomenal for moms, and dads. The dads can have parental leave as well. Canada is the envy of the world in that regard.

Jacobsen: When I went to Iceland for an international congress and was running for an international youth organization, I won the election: Hooray. The president of Iceland gave a speech to 30 or 40 of us at the University of Iceland’s lecture hall. He has 5 kids. They have equal maternity and paternity leave. Each time or most of the times, he took that time off to spend with his children. So, I think having that can be helpful to both moms and to dads, and the flexibility can be helpful for couple. I think you’re definitely right about Canada being an envy of the world. Certainly, other countries are on that track or even a little ahead.

Clayton: It is different if you are self-employed. You do not have leave, but you do have flexibility. Creative people, designers, you work really hard. Like right now, I worked hard until Christmas. January is a little lighter. Come March, March to September, it is full throttle. That’s the reality of our business, but that’s okay. I enjoy work. I love what I do. I have been to Iceland too. We stopped there on the way to Germany.

Jacobsen: Oh, nice! How long were you there for?

Clayton: We did the 2-day stop over. We loved the quick flight. The airline was great, Icelandair.

Jacobsen: Yes, Keflavik [Laughing].

Clayton: I loved how efficient it was. They were like, “Sit down, we got your bag, here’s your water.”

Jacobsen: [Laughing].  

Clayton: Every time, we left; they were ahead of time. When does that ever happen?

Jacobsen: [Laughing].

Clayton: I love efficiencies too. I should say that. That is my pet peeve, when things aren’t run efficiently. We stayed at the Ion Adventure Hotel, like from a Bond movie. We were out by a geothermal plant, and it was cantilevered. It was so different, right? I like going to different places. That blew our minds. It felt like you were on another plant.

Jacobsen: [Laughing] My European friends are like, “They’re not European. Even though, they are European.”

Clayton: We were very intrigued. We will go back. Even look at the Icelandic horses, where we stayed at the Ion Adventure Hotel, there was this Icelandic horse on the wall. There were all these nods to horses. And I love horses. That’s the best part of Thunderbird. Pinch me, you see the most exquisite horses every day. People don’t appreciate the natural beauty and those animals. I think that’s a huge gift. It makes me very happy. We’ll go back. We’re going to Europe soon. We will do that stopover soon. Very cool, good music too.

Jacobsen: [Laughing] How do you find the 3*, 4*, 5*, events when international community comes to Thunderbird Show Park and makes purchases? How do you find that clientele different from the more local clientele?

Clayton: I don’t want to offend anyone. I don’t know if you can say that. You know. They are millionaires and billionaires. I wouldn’t say that I buy for them. I do go off to market when I do the high-end buying. I am at a point now, Scott, where I can think of specific clients. They phone me, directly. It’s something I pride myself in; I know this specific person would like this, including Jane. I would, probably, have her in mind when I buy the higher-end ladies’ lines, for sure. I think of Christopher Pack (President, formerly COO, of Thunderbird Show Park) when I am buying the men’s. It’s nice when you buy or design to think of specific people and what would please them. Let’s just say, they are very generous people.

Jacobsen: [Laughing] When you get these calls, how do you maintain a long-term rapport, speaking of 6 years at Thunderbird, with these high-end clientele important for the upper echelon of purchases?

Clayton: I don’t discriminate and want to keep them as clientele. The person who bought the $24 hat is just as important to us. The team that works with me. I make sure that we remember something about someone. Be it, ultimately, their name or where they are from, how long they have been here; we have the luxury: They’re with us for 3 weeks, Scott, at least 2 weeks. So, if you don’t start to glean stuff about them and get that rapport, that is so unique. We do remember, but also build the database and get their client information. To be honest, we become friends with them. They invite us down to Desert Horse Park. We get standing invites to join them. It is pretty special. It’s great service too. It will make us memorable to them. It is not just the item. We have to deliver great personal service.

Jacobsen: What is your philosophy on customer service?

Clayton: It is paramount. You know that. I will deliver it.

Jacobsen: [Laughing] That is true!

Clayton: Whatever we can do to go above and beyond, to exceed expectations.

Jacobsen: What would you think of as a next area of expansion or of the clothing line?

Clayton: Rainwear.

Jacobsen: That is such a good idea.

Clayton: It is in the works. I’m looking at textiles right now. We are, probably, a year off.

Jacobsen: Have you teamed with any other businesses in your time there?

Clayton: At Thunderbird?

Jacobsen: Yes, so, working with another distributor to keep the Tbird logo and title while having some other expertise to bring about a new item.

Clayton: No, I must be control freak, hey?

Jacobsen: [Laughing] That’s fine.

Clayton: It happens organically. We have Kingsley Footwear. She’s got beautiful custom footwear. She brings in Canadian logos, Tbird orange colours. We have to be mindful. As vendor relations, I don’t want to step on people’s toes that do blazers really well, footwear really well. We are not going to ever be – and we have had meetings about this – all things to all people. We are going to respect other areas of the park that have their expertise.

Jacobsen: Where do you find the most difficult area of balancing? I do not mean work-life balance mentioned before. I mean balance between other businesses, clientele, keeping the business running. It is a very large ensemble, a very large dance, to keep going.

Clayton: Like I said, I want everyone to be succeeding in our vendor row. It is diverse. So, everyone has their niche. So, we set them up for success and we support each other. We are, definitely, becoming a community there. Where, through our social platforms, we will promote each others’ things. Someone will say, “Do you have a saddle pad?” “No, we don’t, but you can go a few doors down. And they do.” Of course, we are proprietary on branding. It is important. But there is room for everyone, I believe. The other thing is, it is making sure we also manage expectations. I said, “Exceed.” We have people say, “You have saddle pads. You should have tack. You should have this and that.” You listen. Feedback is amazing. We want to make sure that we’re not doing too much. That we do what we do very well. To me, sometimes, businesses grow too quickly. Right now, we are managing growth. I think we have to manage it very closely.

Jacobsen: Do other venues, such as the largest in the country, e.g., Thunderbird is one and Spruce Meadows is another, or large equestrian event centres or show parks, have similar businesses in theirs, or is this more unique to Thunderbird Show Park?

Clayton: It is unique to us. A dedicated village is quite unique. We have beautiful, handcrafted cabins. We are adding two. So, there’ll be two brand new cabins; that we’re taking delivery of and constructing in the next few months. I spearheaded an expansion. We’re going to have a guest cabin experience. I feel like it will cater to artisan vendors who can guest with us for a week. We can ensure a way of having fresh vendors rather than a year-long lease. It is very exciting. That is happening this year as well.

Jacobsen: Do you remember in downtown Reykjavik the stone buildings? Everything, everything, is boutique. It has 120,000 people or more, which isn’t many people for a capital city. Yet, it manages to keep a boutique appeal to it.

Clayton: I love that.

Jacobsen: That’s the sense I get from attending the village and making purchases.

Clayton: That’s awesome. That’s what we’re going for. We don’t want it to feel commercial in any way. We want it to feel exclusive and unique. We are trying to keep a bit of country charm too. We don’t want to be a bit too chic. We are in the country and are a family business. We want to keep the charm. We are very conscious of that.

Jacobsen: What are those two other expansions, by the way?

Clayton: We are having Debra Garside, who is an acclaimed photography artist, amazing. You can look her up. We will have a full gallery, which is just amazing. I love bringing an artistic side. She has popped up with us over the years. Then this guest cabin and a concierge, a dedicated Thunderbird concierge. We will keep the guest of the guest cabin a secret until the debut. We will, probably, have 8 guest vendors.

Jacobsen: I’ve had 15 months in the industry. You’ve had 6 years. How would you describe equestrians, in particular show jumpers?

Clayton: I think they’re focused, dedicated, adventurous.

Jacobsen: At the end of the day, it is all down to the horse for them.

Clayton: Yes, all of them.

Jacobsen: Just based on osmosis, they, constantly, talk about the horse not just as a horse, but as a partner.

Clayton: I’ve made so many friends now. I’ll see them have a great ride. I just saw what they did to get that horse to jump. My friend from Mexico. She is tiny. She is on this massive horse. She is my age. I think she is so delicate with her reining. She is delicate, but she made it go clear. I’ll say, “Wow, that was an amazing ride.” She’s like, “Oh, it was the horse.” Right away, they shut it down. I agree with you. For them, it is all about the horse. They (the rider) are the accessory. They are trained to be humble about it, and the respect for the animal. When you come to Thunderbird Show Park and see the beginner jumpers and see the international pros, the 5*, the Major League, the Grand Prix Longines, you see people fall off horses, get thrown. It is not just easy. They make it look incredibly easy. Some are in their 30s, 40s, 50s. It is time spent and dedication to the sport. But the reason I use “adventurous”, don’t you think jumping over high obstacles is adventurous and brave? We’ll see people hurt and then back there the next day.

Jacobsen: There are tons of stories of people with broken wrists, broken fingers.

Clayton: No big deal.

Jacobsen: Yes [Laughing].

Clayton: Yes, I have such a respect for the horse. It is so incredible and valuable to young people to do a sport that requires you to care for an animal at the same time. It is amazing.

Bibliography

Harris, A. (2022, November 23). Equestrian style: The enduring allure of the ‘horse girl’ esthetic. Vancouver Sunhttps://vancouversun.com/life/fashion-beauty/equestrian-style-the-enduring-allure-of-the-horse-girl-esthetic

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Citations

American Medical Association (AMA 11th Edition): Jacobsen S. The Greenhorn Chronicles 37: Deborah Clayton on Equestrian Fashion and a Respect for Show Jumping (1). January 2023; 11(2). http://www.in-sightpublishing.com/clayton-1

American Psychological Association (APA 7th Edition): Jacobsen, S. (2023, January 8). The Greenhorn Chronicles 37: Deborah Clayton on Equestrian Fashion and a Respect for Show Jumping (1). In-Sight Publishing. 11(2). http://www.in-sightpublishing.com/clayton-1.

Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. D. The Greenhorn Chronicles 37: Deborah Clayton on Equestrian Fashion and a Respect for Show Jumping (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, Fort Langley, v. 11, n. 2, 2023.

Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (17th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2023. “The Greenhorn Chronicles 37: Deborah Clayton on Equestrian Fashion and a Respect for Show Jumping (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 11, no. 2 (Spring). http://www.in-sightpublishing.com/clayton-1.

Chicago/Turabian, Notes & Bibliography (17th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott The Greenhorn Chronicles 37: Deborah Clayton on Equestrian Fashion and a Respect for Show Jumping (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 11, no. 2 (January 2023). http://www.in-sightpublishing.com/clayton-1.

Harvard: Jacobsen, S. (2023) ‘The Greenhorn Chronicles 37: Deborah Clayton on Equestrian Fashion and a Respect for Show Jumping (1)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, 11(2). <http://www.in-sightpublishing.com/clayton-1>.

Harvard (Australian): Jacobsen, S 2023, ‘The Greenhorn Chronicles 37: Deborah Clayton on Equestrian Fashion and a Respect for Show Jumping (1)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 11, no. 2, <http://www.in-sightpublishing.com/clayton-1>.

Modern Language Association (MLA, 9th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. “The Greenhorn Chronicles 37: Deborah Clayton on Equestrian Fashion and a Respect for Show Jumping (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vo.11, no. 2, 2023, http://www.in-sightpublishing.com/clayton-1.

Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. The Greenhorn Chronicles 37: Deborah Clayton on Equestrian Fashion and a Respect for Show Jumping (1) [Internet]. 2023 Jan; 11(2). Available from: http://www.in-sightpublishing.com/clayton-1

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