Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: March 1, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,873
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: the fallout; the process of recovery; religion for support; professional therapy for support; personal, independent methodologies for helping; the religious community; professional therapy; forms of religious comfort; depression; the diagnosis; people’s sympathy; the mental health; and a higher sensitivity to the events in life.
Keywords: Anthony Sepulveda, depression, love, recovery.
Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Depression, Love, Recovery, and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (9)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Since the affair with Tango, what was the fallout?
Anthony Sepulveda (Brown)[1],[2]*: I became emotionally unstable and unable to focus on anything else. As a result I was suspended and, nearly, fired from my present job. I also spent most of my money on alcohol in a futile attempt to forget about my problem for a few hours.
Jacobsen: How have you developed a sense of healthy self once more?
Sepulveda (Brown): Yes. With a great deal of effort, I managed to get myself back into a healthy state of mind.
Jacobsen: What is the process of recovery?
Sepulveda (Brown): For me, I cannot turn to religion or professional therapy. No one really listened when I did so in the past, often responding with some general cliches that are only effective for those incapable of independent thought. Instead, I dedicated my time towards trying to solve (or at least resolve) the problem. For weeks I couldn’t focus on anything other than her decision to throw me away. I needed it to make sense. And I knew that no matter how painful the truth was, it was the only move I could make. Otherwise I couldn’t move on. And despite how irrational it seemed and how painful it was to think about, I knew it was the quickest way to get through it. So I spent every day recalling every detail of every encounter and conversation we’d had since she’d got back into contact with me, certain that there were enough details there for me to understand why everything went so wrong. Eventually, I found a few incontrovertible truths that clarified everything enough for me to accept.
Jacobsen: Why didn’t you turn to religion for support with this?
Sepulveda (Brown): As I mentioned before in part 1, I consider religion to be a comforting delusion for those unwilling to actually work through their problems and I’ll never turn to it for any amount of solace. Instead, I’ll take the harder route of accepting the truth as it is, no matter how I feel about it.
Jacobsen: Why no professional therapy for support with this?
Sepulveda (Brown): I underwent several years of therapy after my parents’ divorce at the behest of my mother and, personally, found it to be a waste of time and money. While a therapist can be quite useful for many people, I believe that it’s ultimately up to the individual to be willing and able to solve their own problems.
Jacobsen: What were some of the personal, independent methodologies for helping with this situation?
Sepulveda (Brown): There is one universal truth I keep in mind when I work on a problem – this has to make sense. No matter how complicated or confusing a subject can be or how we feel about the answer, every situation has a perfectly logical consistency. So, as I mentioned above, I focused on finding the details I needed to understand my situation. And I found them.
For example, I’d profess my love to her as often as I could. But said that she was unwilling to reciprocate such things verbally while she was married. I accepted that condition quickly and didn’t think much of it until I needed to. And when I recalled those occasions, I focused on her facial expressions. She’d smile, but it was a tight, reserved one and she’d look downwards. Now this matches her generally introverted personality. But it indicates that she’s uncomfortable about something she enjoys. She felt guilty. Not just because she was having an affair, but also, likely, because she didn’t feel as strongly for me as I did for her.
Luckily for me, human nature is fairly universal. So it wasn’t hard to work out why she made her choice.
There are only three reasons why people avoid each other – fear, annoyance and disgust. Given how close we were, it was obviously the former that was pulling her away. She was scared that there wasn’t any way to avoid some unacceptable consequence with me in the equation. With this in mind, I reviewed our last few conversations and concluded that she did, in fact, still have strong feelings for me, that she didn’t think she would be able to suppress them to the point where we could maintain a casual friendship and that if she acted upon her feelings she could lose everything else she cared for.
It should be known that even this little step of progress took me weeks to reach. During which point I was also trying to determine how much I wanted to keep living. Without love in it, everything seemed pointless. And my history of personal relationships has been absolutely terrible. So, if I couldn’t make it work with Tango, the one person who knew me best, then for what reason could I expect to find anyone who’d care about me? There were many occasions where I’d reflect on everything I’ve accomplished (from being a published artist in several different media, to my high IQ scores, to co-hosting a presentation alongside the head of the Pacific Neuropsychiatric Institute without even having a college degree) and thinking that no matter what I did or how hard I worked or how I felt, no one was ever going to care. Because they don’t have to. There’s no incentive for them.
But then, unexpectedly, I got enough of a distraction from my problems to rest my mind. It was then that I was able to objectively consider what would happen if I gave up on my life. I can’t know for certain, but, as I’ve mentioned before, the most probable outcome seems to be reincarnation. And I have no way of determining what the end result of that process would be, so is my life really so bad that it’d be worth rolling the dice?
No, it wouldn’t be.
While my life isn’t always fun or easy, I can honestly say that I like who I am as a person. More importantly, I respect myself. And not everyone can say that. And it’s not worth the risk of being reincarnated as one of those people.
I’ve proven time and time again that I’m a decent, reliable, dynamic person. And I’ve accomplished more than the average thousand people put together with casual effort.
Since then I’ve decided that since I’m going to keep living, I’m going to live the best life I can. I’ve been making plans for my future. And I’m very excited to see it through.
Jacobsen: When others enter such a situation, for example, with religion, the religious community may condemn these states of affair(s). How is this not helpful?
Sepulveda (Brown): Religious people are often too biased and closed-minded to actually consider the context of the situation enough to offer a fair judgement.
For context, Tango found herself in a marriage that was both emotionally and physically unsatisfying. She’d call me crying at least once a week because her husband would yell at her for irrational reasons (often in front of their infant child) and left her so hurt and stressed that most will never really understand why she put so much effort into maintaining their marriage. Yet surely, anyone could why she’d pursue things to enjoy outside it.
Jacobsen: Others may enter professional therapy. However, the therapist may be outdated in training or given Christian therapy certifications. How are these not helpful?
Sepulveda (Brown): In every way. By habitually relying on outdated or illogical methodologies, you limit your ability to actually solve or resolve any existing problem. In reality, you often have to be willing to compromise and work with the problem on it’s own terms to find a solution.
Jacobsen: What forms of religious comfort or professional therapy may help people?
Sepulveda (Brown): It’s seems to me that religious people simply let go of their problems by accepting them as part of God’s plan. While I must admit that this can help people in many situations, I feel that such beliefs are too irrational and lazy to be taken seriously.
Jacobsen: Did you suffer depression after the affair?
Sepulveda (Brown): More so than ever before. She was the most important person in my life. And I became so focused on losing her that I could barely feel physical sensations. I accidentally shut my finger in a door during that period. And all I did was stare at it, unsurprised that I wasn’t capable of feeling the pain.
Jacobsen: Was the diagnosis formal or informal?
Sepulveda (Brown): Informal, but very obvious.
Jacobsen: Were people sympathetic?
Sepulveda (Brown): A few were. But not enough to do anything about it. Which I’ll argue is the key difference between caring and simply saying you do.
Others stopped associating with me altogether.
But there are several people I’d like to thank –
Derek, for being the only person at work to ask me how I was doing.
Heidi, for giving me your number and time.
Jodi, for listening when others only heard.
Elaine, you’re a saint for putting up with me.
Julia, for spending time with me when you didn’t have to.
My mother, for always being there for me.
Jess, I’d be in prison now if it weren’t for you.
Harry, for keeping me going, constantly engaging with me and giving me a reason to smile again.
And Tango, for giving me some of my most treasured memories. I’ll never forget you.
Jacobsen: What seems like the source of the disregard of the mental health of men, by women and men, in our societies?
Sepulveda (Brown): It’s now my belief that people are inherently selfish. So unless alleviating the suffering of another person can also give you some personal satisfaction or you benefit from associating with someone emotionally or physically, there’s no real incentive for you to extend any effort towards that end. Men often feel the most neglected due to their natural position in the gender dynamic; where people tend to feel safer around women because they are often physically stronger and/or are so much more attracted to them that they feel comfortable enough to express themselves honestly. As a result, men are often neglected, even amongst each other. Which is why they comprise about 90% of successful suicide attempts. Few people have the confidence or decency to really listen to what they have to say. All to often, we only receive consideration based on what we can provide (Financially, socially, personally, etc.) because that’s the role we’re ‘supposed’ to fill.
Jacobsen: Highly intelligent people can be emotionally sensitive too – without proper calibration. Something like a hot house tomato. What is an important lesson for those emotionally in tune with themselves, and others, and having a higher sensitivity to the events in life?
Sepulveda (Brown): I’d advise anyone willing to actually focus on a problem to keep in mind that no matter how illogical or ridiculous it seems, it makes perfect sense. All you’re missing are a few pertinent details and some context. Once you have those, everything becomes much easier to accept and/or work towards resolving.
And no matter what the answer is or how you feel about it, life goes on. You should too, when you’re ready.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: March 1, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-9; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Dr. Ricardo Rosselló Nevares on Family History, Catholic Schooling, Being Alone, Mathematics, Bioengineering, and Gifted Identification: Former Governor, Puerto Rico (1) [Online]. March 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-9.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, March 1). Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Depression, Love, Recovery, and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (9). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-9.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Depression, Love, Recovery, and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (9). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, March. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-9>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Depression, Love, Recovery, and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (9).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-9.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Depression, Love, Recovery, and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (9).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (March 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-9.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Depression, Love, Recovery, and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (9)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-9>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Depression, Love, Recovery, and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (9)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-9.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Depression, Love, Recovery, and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (9).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): March. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-9>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Depression, Love, Recovery, and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (9)[Internet]. (2021, March 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-9.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
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Keywords: blasphemy, Christian, Leo Igwe, Muslim, Nigeria.
A Case Against Blasphemy in Nigeria[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches, and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
Nigeria’s blasphemy laws have been of focus locally, nationally and internationally following the arrest and detention of Nigerian Humanist, Mubarak Bala, the sentencing to death of a Muslim singer, and the imprisonment of a 13-year-old boy for blasphemy in Kano State in Northern Nigeria.
It would appear that Muslim theocrats – within the police and the courts – have gone to great lengths to subvert constitutional provisions and international human rights norms in their quest to enforce the ‘blasphemy’ provision. For instance, the police arrested Bala, who is the President of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, at his residence in Kaduna on April 28, 2020. They took him to Kano the following day, where they have held him incommunicado ever since. The arrest was at the instance of lawyers who lodged a petition with the Kano State Police Command complaining that Bala had insulted the prophet of Islam in a Facebook post.
Before his arrest, Bala received death threats from Muslims who were angry over his posts and comments on Facebook, including a Kano State police officer. Police have failed to meet their Constitutional obligation to charge Bala within 48 hours of his arrest. Efforts to enforce Bala’s rights have met a brick wall. The police have not given Bala access to a lawyer. They have not formally charged him in court. There is no information regarding where he is held or the condition of his detention. There is no independent confirmation that Bala is still alive. Bala has a wife and a 6-month old son. His wife has petitioned the police and the parliamentarians urging them to give her access to her husband without success.
Kano is among the 12 states that uphold Sharia laws in Northern Nigeria and is notorious for jailing or murdering alleged blasphemers or desecrators of the Quran. Under Sharia law, the punishment for ‘blasphemy’ is death; however, in the parallel Common Law system, the same crime is seen as a misdemeanour punishable by up to two years in prison. In Northern states allegations of ‘blasphemy’ can end in the extrajudicial killing of the accused.
In the case of Bala, the police and government in Kano State are in a dilemma. They are unable to try Bala in a Sharia court and sentence him to death as many individuals in Kano are demanding. Only Muslims are subject to Sharia law; Bala is not a Muslim. He was born into a Muslim family but Bala renounced Islam in 2014. If the police must try Bala, it would be in a secular state court, not in a Sharia court. Even if the sentence is passed on Bala, the penalty would not placate the extremist base that is behind the petition. So, it would appear that, instead of prosecuting Mubarak Bala as required by law, the police and government in Kano disappeared him to appease the Muslim majority base.
In the cases of the 22-year old singer, Yahaya Aminu-Sharif and 13-year-old Umar Farouq, the allegations of ‘blasphemy’ have been handled differently. Both are Muslims and were tried and sentenced in Sharia courts. Aminu-Sharif was accused of insulting the Prophet of Islam in a song that he circulated on Whatsapp in March. His ‘offense’ was that they lyrics suggested that the Senegalese scholar, Ibrahim Nyass, was greater than Prophet Muhammad. Whilst Farouq was accused of making remarks that insulted the Islamic god, Allah. Even though Aminu-Sharif has 30 days to appeal, some Muslim bodies, like the Muslim Lawyers Association, the Council of Imams, and the Supreme Council for Sharia have issued statements urging the Kano State Governor, Abdullahi Umar Ganduje to immediately authorize the execution of Aminu-Sharif. If some counter pressure is not brought to bear on the Kano State Governor, Aminu-Sharif will be executed. Or he may, as in the case of other members of the Sufi Order convicted for blasphemy in 2015, be left to languish in jail.
Nigeria is a religiously pluralistic country in which an individual’s ethnicity has a bearing on religious demographics. The Hausa-Fulani ethnic group, which is most populous in Northern Nigeria, are predominantly Muslim while the Igbo, a major ethnic group in the south is predominantly Christian. Meanwhile no single religion is in the majority throughout the country. Muslims, who are in the majority in the north are in the minority in Southern Nigeria. Whilst Christians, who are in the majority in Southern Nigeria, are in the minority in the north. Nigeria has a volatile ethno-religious mix and ethno-religious violence often erupts. The application of ‘blasphemy’ laws reinforces ethno-religious hatred and intolerance.
Nigeria needs to repeal laws that legitimize religious violence, oppression, and persecution. ‘Blasphemy’ laws are enshrined in both the Sharia and state penal codes. However, these laws are seldom invoked, except in the Muslim dominated states in Northern Nigeria. ‘Blasphemy laws are incompatible with human rights, tolerant pluralism and peace. ‘Blasphemy’ is a victimless crime. ‘Blasphemy’ laws make a mockery of the justice system in Nigeria because laws are there to protect individuals, and not to protect ideologies, beliefs or dogma – however important these may be to people.
Laws are made to guarantee and not violate the rights of human beings. Incidentally, blasphemy laws are used to flagrantly deny basic human rights, including the rights to life, freedom of religion or belief, and freedom of expression. As the cases of Bala, Aminu-Sharif and Farouq have shown, blasphemy laws sanctify religious tyranny and impunity. They are used to legitimize the oppression of minorities, to justify extrajudicial murder, arson, and attacks.
‘Blasphemy’ laws are only a legal recipe for chaos, anarchy, and conflicts in Nigeria. In the interest of peace, justice, and progress, Nigeria should abolish these unjust, incoherent and archaic laws.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: March 1, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/a-case-against-blasphemy-in-nigeria.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
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Keywords: blasphemy, death sentence, Leo Igwe, Yahaya Sharif-Aminu.
Yahaya Sharif-Aminu: Blasphemy and Death Sentence Revisited[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches, and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
While the Muslim Lawyers Association, the Council of Imams, and the Supreme Council for Sharia in Nigeria have called for the execution of the Muslim singer, Yahaya Sharif-Aminu, I urge a stay of action and ask that the death sentence be reconsidered and quashed. Here I argue that Sharif-Aminu did not commit any crime as the sharia court in Kano had ruled. First of all, as in cases of capital punishment, there is a risk-a high risk of executing an innocent person. Sharif-Aminu’s is a typical case. The Kano state government is about to execute an innocent person. Unfortunately, all Muslim associations, including the Christian Association of Nigeria, that have come out in support of the death sentence, have not considered this possibility-that Sharif-Aminu could be innocent and that the sharia court could have erred in judgment. Nobody has bothered to ask. What if the sharia court was wrong?
Look, the sharia court in Kano sentenced Sharif-Aminu to death for insulting the prophet of Islam in his song. Right? Ok. What if it is later found out, after executing this sentence, that the song did not insult the prophet, Muhammad. I mean, someone’s life is at stake here. And we need to thoughtfully and painstakingly look at the facts.
Imagine this. The parties that were not insulted were the ones who determined and punished the insult. And they have gone to the extent of ruling that the insulter, Sharif-Aminu, be killed. And no Muslim organization sees nothing wrong in this Islamic misstep and judgmental overstep? Let us assume that by some stretch of Islamic sense, this Muslim singer insulted the prophet of Islam. Who will be the ultimate judge? A sharia court judge in Kano? No. The Muslim Lawyers Association, the Council of Imam, or the Supreme Council for Sharia? Not at all. It is the prophet, Muhammad.
Now, the prophet of Islam, who is the one that was allegedly insulted did not affirm-or was not in the position to affirm- that he had been insulted. So, how could a sharia court judge sitting in Kano and all these Islamic busybodies determine beyond a reasonable doubt that Sharif-Aminu insulted the prophet of Islam, and should be executed? Is it not viciously presumptuous of this judge? Is it not a demonstration of lack of wisdom on the part of all who support the death sentence to think that Sharif-Aminu should be killed at this instance?
Once again I urge the Kano state government not to execute Sharif-Aminu because he did not commit any crime in the song that he circulated on Whatsapp. This Muslim singer exercised his right to freedom of expression and belief. He sang a song that reflected his beliefs. Muslims who disagree with his song and message should release and circulate a song that reflects their own beliefs. Muslims say that there is no compulsion in religion. Unfortunately, this is not the case. The death sentence passed on Sharif-Aminu for merely singing a song is an indisputable affirmation that there is a compulsion in the practice and profession of Islam in Nigeria.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: March 1, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yahaya-sharif-aminu-blasphemy-and-death-sentence-revisited
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Author: Isakwisa Amanyisye Lucas Mwakalonge
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
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Keywords: Dar es Salaam, East Africa, Isakwisa Amanyisye Lucas Mwakalonge, religious influence, secular education, secular state, Tanzania.
Tanzania: A Secular State, Secular Education But With Some Elements of Religious Influence?
Isakwisa Amanyisye Lucas Mwakalonge[1],[2]*
Dar es salaam, Tanzania – East Africa.
Since independence the government of Tanzania was committed to provide to Tanzanians a kind of education which is secular, this government commitment is demonstrated by a speech of the first president of Tanzania Julius Nyerere when speaking to heads of schools in Tanzania on 3rd March in 1975 at Kivukoni College in Dar es salaam as a head of state by then when addressing to them about the government position on a type of education the government was aiming to offer in public schools(government schools). He said that his government was dedicated to provide secular education in public schools, which will largely focus in researches that are scientific. He further added that the purpose of education acquired from secular schools is to help human being to solve problems in life, therefore he insisted that education and knowledge imparted from secular schools to be applied in solving problems in life. This indicates that the government of Tanzania was enthusiastic to provide secular education to the population. In order to help the government succeed in fulfilling this good intention then the specific law was enacted so as to support government obligation of providing secular education to the people from primary to universities, this is the Education Act [Cap 353 Revised Edition 2009] also the law regulates all educational affairs and provides for the better development of the system of education in the nation. But somehow this government determination is controverted by the same law. Despite the good purpose of making this law yet there are some sections in this law needs to be debated in a very neutral perceptiveness, because somehow these sections do rise some illogicalities to the government determinations of providing secular education to the population targeted. For instance it is undeniable fact that Tanzania is a secular state, dedicated to provide secular education, yet section 2 and section 57(3) of the education Act poses some ambiguities.
(a) To start with section 2 of the Education Act in defining the concept education among other things the law has some elements of religious influence, for example the section defines education as “the instruction of or training of persons of all ages in various fields of learning designed to contribute to the spiritual, moral, mental and physical development of the community and to the attainment of the wider national goods.” Cambridge International Dictionary of English defines the term spiritual as something that is not physical (religious). Then the question is how comes a secular state, with secular education can offer a kind of education with one among of its aims is to prepare some ones to spiritual development? Does secular state with secular education believes in spiritual development of the one acquiring such secular education? Why this? This section contradicts article 3 of the Constitution of the United Republic of Tanzania,1977 which articulates that Tanzania is a secular state.
(b) Furthermore section 2 of the Education Act with this term spiritual is moreover contradicting article 19(1) of the constitution, the article provides that: ‘‘Every person has the right to the freedom of conscience, faith and choice in matters of religion, including the freedom to change his religion or faith.” A good description of this quoted article 19(1) is from page 9 of the Civics Manual for Secondary Teachers and College Tutors, a hand book is from the ministry of education and vocational Training in Tanzania through Tanzania Institute of Education.[3] The manual describes article 19(1) of the constitution as follows “Freedom of religion and conscience this right means that no person should be required to profess any religion or other belief against his or her desire. Additionally, no one should be punished or penalized in any way because he or she chooses one religion over another or indeed opts for no religion at all.” Therefore if this article 19(1) of the constitution gives freedom on matters of believing or even not believing, then why section 2 of education Act is designed to contribute to the spiritual development of a learner? It is a bit perplexing to witness that secular education is there to prepare someone for spiritual development.
(c) Section 57(3) of the Education Act directs that “Every school shall provide in its curriculum for the provision of religious instruction to its pupils on the premises of the school, but no pupil shall be compelled to attend any particular religious class or worship against his will if he is above the age of eighteen years or against the will of his parent or parents, if he has not yet attained the age of eighteen years.” These words “every school shall” indicates that it is mandatory to do so, then why the obligatory term is used here? For a religious curriculum to be provided? While Tanzania is a secular state, with secular education? Maybe this could be left for religious schools or schools owned by religious organizations and not public schools which are owned by the secular state. Therefore section 57(3) contradicts article 3 and article 19(1) of the constitution. Why section 57(3) of the law requires every school to provide in its curriculum for the provision of religious instructions to pupils on the premises of the school? In a nation which is secular one, with secular education? Is this law or these sections not contravening the constitution? Even though the law has given an exception that no pupil shall be compelled to attend any particular religious class or worship against his will if he is above the age of eighteen years or against the will of his parent or parents, if he has not yet attained the age of eighteen years. Yet the law was not supposed to require every school to provide in its curriculum matters of religious instructions, this was to be left free to be decided by the one who believes because this is a secular state, and matters of faith are private affairs of the person concerned. This is also emphasized in article 19(2) of the constitution.
Grounding on the fact that since Tanzania is a secular state then it is expected to provide secular education which is regulated by secular laws and not a vice-versa. confusing sections which are section 2 and section 57(3) of the Education Act especially those statements or words which in one way or another do contradict constitutions as it has been revealed in this essay, they must be removed or changed very immediate by the authorities vested with powers of either reform or amend laws so as to remove these ambiguities and leave Tanzania to flourish as a total free secular state.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Assistant Editor African Freethinker / http://www.in-sightjournal.com (Tanzania) a Lawyer, a Teacher, an Advocate of the High Court of Tanzania, a Notary Public and Commissioner for Oaths, Member of the Bar Association of Tanzania Main Land (Tanganyika Law Society.) He holds Degree of Bachelor of Laws (L.L.B), Degree of Master of Laws In Information and Communication Technology Law (L.L.M – ICT – LAWS), Post Graduate Diploma In Legal Practice (PGD – LP), Diploma in Education (DIP – EDUC), Certificate of Admission of Advocate (High Court of Tanzania).
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 27, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/2021/02/27/tanzania-a-secular-state-secular-education-but-with-some-elements-of-religious-influence/.
[3] Tanzania Institute of Education (TIE) – Is a Parastatal Organization under the Ministry of Education and Vocational Training (M0EVT) charged with the responsibility of ensuring the quality of education in Tanzania at the Pre-School, Primary, Secondary and Teacher Training Levels. Civics Manual for Secondary Teachers and College Tutors, by Tanzania Institute of Education is a guide to Teachers and Tutors of Civics to prepare Civics lessons (Lesson modules) basing on the authorized syllabus in Tanzania. The manual aimed to add skills and knowledge of Civics Teachers and Tutors in the Teaching of Civics.
*Contacts are: Email: isamwaka 01@gmail.com. Mobile Phone +225 754326296. WhatsApp +255 629204106
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: February 27, 2021
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Keywords: Humanism, Leo Igwe, Thought Project.
Thought Project: Dare To Question[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches, and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
Today I announce an exciting program for schools in Nigeria, the Thought Project. The objective of this project is to foster critical and creative thinking skills in pupils and students and to introduce critical thinking and creative reasoning as subjects in primary and secondary schools. Critical and creative thinking skills are among the most sought after skills by employers. While there has been much emphasis on the need for critical and creative thinking, there are no subjects or programs that are devoted to inculcating these intellectual virtues. To realize a critical and creative thinking society, these thinking skills have to be taught and learned. The thought project is an effort to fill this gap in education and learning in the country.
The thought project has been several years in the making-since 2003/2004. Unfortunately, it has been postponed or set aside for some reason. This year, I decided to go ahead with the project, then came the COVID19 pandemic. Schools have been closed. There has also been a delay in incorporating an NGO that will facilitate the project. Despite all these challenges, I have decided that the thought project can no longer wait. Efforts to promote critical and creative thinking in schools and the society at large will go on, COVID19 or no COVID19. The project will release books on critical reasoning and then books on creative thinking. The books are in a workbook format with ample spaces for additional exercise.
The publication of critical reasoning books has started. The books will be released based on the availability of funds and the resumption of schools. In the first phase, we are publishing books 1 to 3 for the lower basic primary classes. Book 1 will be out next week. Books for the upper basic primary classes 4 to 6 will follow. We shall then embark on publishing creative reasoning books for primary schools.
Critical thinking has been defined as the ability to analyze, synthesize, and evaluate information. But to introduce this topic to primary school pupils, an operationalized definition is needed. To this end, critical reasoning is defined as asking questions. Modules have been created to encourage pupils to ask questions and express their curiosity. Children are taught to be inquisitive and to interrogate whatever they see, hear touch or smell, or taste. The target pupils are those who speak English as a second language. So, there is a provision to deliver the lessons and conduct exercises in languages other than English.
Besides, thought laboratories will be organized. A thought laboratory is both a program and an infrastructure. As a program, a thought laboratory is a workshop where pupils are taught to exercise their critical thinking skills. Schools are also encouraged to erect buildings or designate a room or an apartment as a thought laboratory. I am looking forward to opening the first thought laboratory building in Nigeria very soon- this year or next year. At the moment, the critical thinking workshops, including training for teachers, will be organized free of charge. The thought project will raise funds to defray the costs of the workshops. Participants in the thought laboratory will receive free copies of the books. And if the program succeeds in Nigeria, it will be extended to other African countries. The thought project is in its pilot phase. So criticisms are welcome and will help improve the quality of the books and the entire program.

Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 27, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/thought-project-dare-to-question
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: February 27, 2021
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Keywords: Association of Black Humanists, atheism, black communities, Black Nonbelievers Inc., Humanism, Leo Igwe, non-belief.
Atheism and Humanism in Africa and African Diaspora[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches, and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
Thank you, Clive and Mandisa, the Association of Black Humanists and Black NonBelievers Inc. for convening this historic meeting, for creating this platform to highlight black atheist and humanist pride. It is exciting to be part of this event and to be connected with the growing network of black non believers, skeptics and freethinkers. Historical, cultural and social encumbrances have made it difficult for nonbelievers in the black communities to come out and openly identify as atheists or humanists. But as this online event and other recent developments have shown, the freethought landscape in Africa and the African Diaspora is changing and this is a cause for celebration even amidst the gathering clouds.
The growing visibility of nonbelief in the black community is a welcome development especially in challenging the stereotype in academic and popular literature that conflates being black and being religious. This event is yet another step toward adequately situating the discourse on Black religiosity/irreligiosity, it is a step towards highlighting black freethought specifics-black freethought pride, solidarity, art and fellowship. For too long blacks have largely been associated with religious belief, magic, spiritism and occult. The black culture has been conceptualized as estranged from irreligious nontheistic elements and components. Some years ago, while I was doing my field work in Ghana, I travelled to a beach in Accra. I met a man wearing a white robe. He wanted to do some magical display for me. And in the course of our conversation, I told him that I was an atheist. The man stared at me for a while and asked: Are you not an African? From time to time, one confronts this narrative that says, a black person or an African is essentially religious or theistic. But we know this not the case and that the black/African culture is diverse. So with events like this explode the myth; fault the proposition and occasion some cognitive dissonance in the minds of many.
Atheism, skeptical rationality and humanism have a long history and deep roots in Black/African culture. Incidentally these cultural currents are seldom emphasized, and are often designated as alien, western or white. So it is worthwhile to celebrate or at least recognize trends of irreligiosity and non belief in Africa and African Diaspora. It is in order to take pride in the history of freethought and the growing influence and possibilities of nontheism in black communities.
I hope this event will not be a one off program and that in the months and years ahead, black non believers will have occasions like this to meet and interact online and offline, to congregate and take pride in black freethought history and struggles. We need platforms to send important messages, first to people of the world, that black non believers exist and are citizens and neighbours, friends and partners, children and parents, and yes fellow human beings. To people of faith, we seek to live in peace, equal dignity and respect. We seek an end to situations where discrimination and persecution of non believers is seen as an article of faith or implemented as a state policy.
And to other nonbelievers who feel lonely or alone; who find themselves in places and societies where they are persecuted, imprisoned, threatened with execution or treated as mentally sick people, we want you to know this: you are not alone and you will not walk alone. We stand with you and we will walk with you all the way to freedom!
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 27, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/atheism-and-humanism-in-africa-and-african-diaspora
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
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Individual Publication Date: February 26, 2021
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Keywords: black communities, Islam, Leo Igwe, non-belief.
Can Non-Belief and Islam Co-Exist in Black Communities?[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches, and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
The growing visibility of nonbelief in the black community is a welcome development especially in challenging the stereotype that conflates being black and being religious. It is pertinent to adequately situate the discourse on Black religiosity/irreligiosity because for too long blacks have largely been associated with religious belief and devotion. The black culture has been conceptualized as estranged from irreligious freethinking elements and sentiments. So, it is worthwhile to recognize trends of irreligiosity and the growing influence and possibilities of nontheism in black communities.
In highlighting the phenomenon of nonbelief, it is necessary to highlight the associated risks and challenges, dangers, and constrains that blur the vistas and visibility of unbelief in the black world. From the Nigerian end of the spectrum, the culture of nonbelief is endangered, and gasping for breath and survival. Competing indigenous, Christian and Islamic faith traditions find in religious infidelity and infidels a common target and enemy. Every religion is hardwired against unbelief and unbelievers.
The danger linked to nonbelief is not because there has been a radical change in the configuration of the black god or an ontological shift in the status of deities. The invisibility of unbelief is not a validation of some black-specific god gene or some culture-specific religious epiphany. Black religiosity is predicated on socialization and cultural orientation that has refused to yield to the demands and dictates of curious, inquisitive, and questioning minds. Black communities have caved in to religious pressures and are being held hostage by surging over layers of violent supplements from believers who are unable to bear opposing views; coercive currents from godly individuals disinclined, or indoctrinated to detest ideas and sentiments critical of their gods or prophets. This climate of acute intolerance and scorched earth hostility towards on belief has led to a dimmed climate of freethought, and a pervasive surface religiosity in the black communities. The god-belief establishment has, out of mischief, instituted a prize for neutralizing nonbelief. The reward of enjoying eternal bliss in the hereafter, with some obvious worldly here-and-now appeals, pleasures and accessories, has become a life long aspiration of believers. It has turned the godly, young and old, rich or poor, educated and uneducated into qualms-less, desperate questers and coveters, ready and willing to break any law, defy any moral code, breach whatever social norm, violate any form of decency with impunity in an attempt to claim and possess this elusive and illusive bounty.
Even with its enormous potential as an antidote to extremisms and superstition based abuses, nonbelief is facing a severe threat from Islamic theocrats and jihadists that leverage on the suffocation of free thought, and free expression of ideas and beliefs. Islamic orthodoxies seek to maintain absolute control over the lives and conduct of individuals including Islamic outsiders or non-muslims. They have usurped the powers of their immortal deity vesting them on clerics, on Sheikhs, Ulamas, Imams, and other paradise aspiring mortals. They have made the ‘almighty Allah’ redundant and inconsequential in the scheme of things, policing and judging thoughts and morals, everyday conduct including the comments and posts that people make on Facebook and verses of songs that they circulate on social media. They have arrogated to themselves the functions of an all-seeing, all-knowing, and all-powerful superhuman, and decide who lives and who dies. They openly and publicly threaten attack and violence against any real or imagined enemy or offender with impunity. These Mujahideens have wittingly and unwittingly turned Islam into an ideology of terror, hate, and division. They have emptied out the fiath contents of the Shahada, turning lā ʾilāha ʾillā llāhu muḥammadun rasūlu llāhi, and Allahu Akbar, into war songs and an open invitation to mindless violence and bloodletting.
They pronounce fatwas at the slightest provocation; sanctioning anyone whom they judge to have transgressed or deviated from their Allah’s perfect path of speech and expression, belief, and behavior, online and offline. They take the license to feel offended on behalf of their deities, divine messengers and emissaries, and go to the extent of seeking redress and revenge, avenging supposed wrongs, insults, and disrespect using sharia judicial and extrajudicial means and mechanisms as fronts to justify the perpetration of heinous crimes.
Intolerance of nonbelief in Muslim-dominated societies rests on two main pillars- apostasy and blasphemy. Apostasy and blasphemy make doubt, disbelief, questioning, and other associated habits associated punishable offences. Islam uses the weapons of apostasy and blasphemy to hold nonbelief and nonbelievers hostage, and to compel nonbelievers to pretend to believe or risk imprisonment, judicial or extrajudicial murder. Apostates run the risk of being designated as mentally unsound as in the case of Mubarak Bala in 2014. Bala’s family consigned him to a psychiatric hospital when he came out as an ex Muslim. Or Mohammed Salih from Sudan in 2017 who was accused of apostasy but a court acquitted him on the ground that he was mentally incompetent. Islam penalizes and pathologizes apostasy. So as an apostate, one is either a criminal or a mentally sick person.
Blasphemy law makes an expression of nonbelief a crime, not a legitimate exercise. It forces doubting, critical and disbelieving minds to speak or write as if they believe. The Islamic establishment leaves nonbelievers with only two options: Be quiet and remain alive or speak out and die. Blasphemy has made religious disbelievers to live falsely, pretending to believe to avoid being killed (suffer physical death) or being disappeared (suffer social death), as in the case of Mubarak Bala. For nonbelief to be visible and impactful, thoughts and ideas must be freely expressed; individuals must be able to communicate their beliefs without fear of being arrested. Nonbelievers and believers are to be treated with equal dignity and respect
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 26, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/can-non-belief-and-islam-co-exist-in-black-communities
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Author: Isakwisa Amanyisye Lucas Mwakalonge
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
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Keywords: accident, biology, geography, religion.
Religion as a Biological and Geographical Accident[1],[2],[3]
Being a person of a certain religion, denomination, or sect may be caused by a number of factors but for purpose of this article the main ones are biological and geographical reasons. Many religious members if asked why do they belong in the religion they are; answers are going to be because they were born in a family or parents who prophesize that particular religion. For example, many of the kids from Muslim parents will automatically be Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists will influence their faith to their families, Christians will do the same to their children. Hence it is wrong to think that one religion is better than the other or members of one religion are honesties and knows the truth than those who belong to a different religion. In fact, a bigger number of religions do teach beliefs of things which rationally cannot be justified, but someone may find himself or herself in a particular religion only because was born and grow up in that religion ushered by the parents, that is a biological reason.
The other thing is geographical reasons; being born and raised up in a certain geographical location may influence someone being a member of a certain religion. If a person is born and rise up in the Middle East is likely to be a Muslim in high percentage when it comes to probabilities, a person born in Israel is likely to be a Judaist in bigger percentage, a person born in the western world is likely being a Christian, Indians will be Hindus, and far east is most likely be a Buddhist, Shinto or a Taoist, while in some parts of black Africa a practice of African traditional religions will be of much influence, as well as Christianity and Islam. On the other hand, main of these big religions like the Abrahamic ones did spread to other parts of the world like Africa in specific through colonization and enslavement of the conquered ones, serving the purposes of imperialism and nothing more from them, a part of being an opium of the people (Karl Marx).
So someone’s belongingness to a certain religion is greatly influenced by biological causes as well as geographical aspects, even though there are other minor factors.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] A Founder, Member, and Secretary, Jicho Jipya think Anew.
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 25, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/2021/02/25/religion-as-a-biological-and-geographical-accident/.
[3] Contact: isamwaka01@gmail.com.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
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Words: 337
Keywords: exorcism, Hassan Patigi, Leo Igwe, Mokwa, Niger, witchcraft.
Stop Hassan Patigi’s Witchcraft Exorcism and Show of Shame in Mokwa, Niger State[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches, and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
The Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AFAW) urges the Inspector General of Police, through the Commissioner of Police (Niger State), the Divisional Police Officer (Mokwa), the Director of State Security Service, the Governor, and Government of Niger state, the Chairman of Mokwa Local Government Area, the Ndalile of Mokwa, the Health Ministry and the COVID19 management committee in Niger state to take immediate measures to stop the planned ‘healing’ and witchcraft exorcism session in Mokwa.
AFAW has reliably gathered that the self-acclaimed healer and witchcraft exorcist, Muhammad Hassan Patigi, who traveled for the Sallah celebrations, is now back in Mokwa town and is planning to commence his ‘healing’ activities. AFAW has also been informed that Hassan Patigi’s planned ‘healing’ session in Lafiagi in Kwara state was canceled after some people protested to the government.
Now back in Mokwa, Mr. Patigi is expected to hold ‘healing’ activity in Mokwa in the coming days. Without the intervention of relevant authorities, this activity will go ahead. Videos of revulsive images and scenes from the previous ‘healing’ and witch exposing activities of Mr. Patigi have been circulating on social media. Some of the videos contain scenes where Hassan Patigi asked alleged witches to go naked, fight and urinate on themselves. Look, this show of shame is an indictment on traditional as well as state authorities and other stakeholders on governance and maintenance of law and order in Mokwa, Niger state. The authorities in Niger state should not allow a repeat of these disgusting scenes in Mokwa. They should not permit a recurrence of this spectacle of national disgrace and embarrassment in Nupeland.
AFAW urges members of the public to call the following numbers and ask these officials to take urgent steps and ensure that the planned ‘healing’ and witchcraft exorcism activities in Mokwa by Hassan Patigi do not hold:
Niger State Commissioner of Police 08066933529
Niger State Police Public Relations Officers 08032233454
Divisional Police Officer Mokwa 08032076047
Director State Security Service 07035065411
Ndalile of Mokwa 08035890274
Director Primary Health Centre Mokwa: 08035911956
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 24, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/stop-hassan-patigis-witchcraft-exorcism-and-show-of-shame-in-mokwa-niger-state.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
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Individual Publication Date: February 24, 2021
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Keywords: Central Nigeria, Humanism, Humanist Association of Nigeria, Leo Igwe, witchcraft.
Children Burnt for Witchcraft in Central Nigeria[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches, and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
Some months ago, some national dailies reported the case of two children who were accused of witchcraft and subsequently set ablaze in Plateau state in Central Nigeria. The incident happened in December 2019. Images of the two children with various degrees o burns and bandages on their hands and heads outraged members of the public. After reading the story, I contacted police officials in Jos, and they confirmed the incident. They stated that the matter was under investigation. I tried reaching the relatives of the victims through various channels. I contacted former colleagues at the University of Jos, and one of them confirmed that the children were treated at the state hospital, but were later discharged. The children returned to their community with the mother. I planned to visit Plateau state to interact with the victims and their families and better understand what transpired on that fateful day, including the nature and patterns of witchcraft allegations in Plateau state. Allegations of child witchcraft have been linked to states and communities in Southern Nigeria, especially Akwa Ibom and Cross River states. Not much is heard about child witch allegations elsewhere in the country. I wanted to understand if the incident was part of a pervasive phenomenon that has largely been ignored or new development in the region.
I wanted to understand the different actors in the field of Plateau witchcraft and how to work with them in tackling this vicious phenomenon. My local contacts told me that the affected community was not in Jos metropolis. They pointed out that there were security challenges in the area. In March, the outbreak of COVID19 led to a lockdown and restriction of movements, including interstate transportation. So I decided to work with local contacts in the state to support these child victims until the time that I could visit and meet with them in person. Through the contacts, I got the phone number of a human right lawyer handling the case, and she promised to link me up with the families of victims. Due to the COVID19 restrictions, she was unable to make the connections for some months. However, in July, she sent me the phone numbers of the relatives of the children. I spoke to one of the relatives, Mrs. Tina, and she recounted the tragic incident to me once more. According to Mrs. Tina, a family member fell ill and was taken to a private hospital in the area. But he was not responding to treatment. At a point, the sick person claimed that a boy in the family was responsible for the ailment; that the boy wanted to kill him. And one day, another relative came to the family house and took the boy to the hospital. This relative asked the 7-year old boy to undo what he had allegedly done, to untie the man so that he could recover from the ailment. But the boy denied knowing anything about the ailment and the allegation. But this relative was not satisfied. Later, he took the boy and a girl from the same family to another old woman who was also being suspected. They brought a Christian evangelist who came with some fuel in a small gallon. The evangelist threatened to set the children ablaze if they did not confess. The children repeatedly denied the allegations and started crying. According to Mrs. Tina, somebody from the crowd snatched the gallon of fuel from the evangelist and poured it on the two children. Another person with a box of matches set them ablaze. The children were screaming and struggling to run away, but some people were pushing them back into the fire.
Another woman came and used some sand to put off the fire but by this time the children had been seriously burnt on their faces and hands. Other children at the scene ran to inform the mother of the children who came and took the children home. Mrs. Tina said that she got a call from the mother of the children who informed her about the incident. On getting to her house, Mrs. Tina found out that the children sustained serious injuries and needed immediate medical attention. She advised the mother to report the matter to the police. But the mother refused. She has been under intense pressure not to report to the police. They took the children to a local hospital but the hospital staff refused to treat them without a police report. They eventually reported the case to the police, and a policewoman accompanied them to the hospital, and the children were subsequently admitted. The children stayed at the state specialist hospital for two weeks before they were discharged. I was told that the police went to the community to arrest the suspects but the people stoned them, and they withdrew and went back to the station. In February, the police invited the head of the community to their office, and they arrested and detained him for two days. While in detention, he provided the names of the suspects who were arrested and then charged to court. I have reliably gathered that the family of the victims has been under pressure from the defendants to withdraw the case so that they could settle out of court. It is important that the court sends a strong message to those who perpetrated this heinous abuse. There have been similar cases of witch burning across the country. And perpetrators are seldom arrested or punished. For instance, in Cross River state, the police have yet to arrest Thomas Obi Tawo (aka General Iron) and those who burnt 15 suspected witches in Boki in May.
According to Mrs. Tina, witchcraft allegations are common in Plateau state. The belief in occult harm is pervasive in rural communities. People use witchcraft and magic to make sense of their existential challenges. She said that people did not believe that misfortunes such as death and sickness occur naturally; they habitually suspect that somebody must be responsible for these unfortunate experiences. Mrs. Tina noted that there was a need for intense public enlightenment in the communities to reason people out of these mistaken beliefs and harmful practices. The Advocacy for Alleged Witches will explore the possibility of sending advocates to the community to meet and interact with the leaders whenever the security situation in the area improves. AFAW will work with the family of the victims to support and rehabilitate the children and make them less vulnerable to allegations of witchcraft and the practice of witch persecution. The support program will focus on two areas- medical treatment and education. AFAW will help defray the costs of the medical treatment and support the education of the children. There is an urgent need for a national action plan against witch persecution in Nigeria.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 24, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/children-burnt.
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Author: Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson
Numbering: Issue 26.B, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: February 22, 2021
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Abstract
Wokism has become a major force in Western political culture with manifestations in Black Lives Matter, transgenderism, cancel culture, political correctness and various social justice movements. Examinations of this phenomenon have focused on its expression in Critical Race Theory and its postmodernist, social activist and Marxist precedents, all of which assumes rational agency on the part of the actors involved. Using criteria previously developed and applied to suicide cults and terrorist organizations (Robertson, 2017b), this paper examines wokism for the characteristics of a mind virus. In preparation for that examination, the self is described as the body that could be infected by such a virus. The mechanisms by which such an infection could occur are described using clinical case studies and an evolutionary account of the development of the modern self. The author concludes that the four conditions used for diagnosing a mind virus have been met in this instance. The discussion section includes suggestions for inoculation. Further research is recommended.
Keywords: woke, wokism, self, mind-virus, postmodernism, social justice.
Year of the Virus: Understanding the contagion effects of wokism
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
*Updated June 19, 2022.*
Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson[1],[2]
The novel coronavirus had not yet been recognized when Yasmin Mohammed (2019) published her memoire blaming “Western Liberalism” for failing to protect her from forcible confinement and beatings she suffered as a child. Following an intervention by child welfare authorities, a Canadian judge acknowledged her suffering but refused to intervene in her parent’s “cultural (Muslim) ways.” Early the following year journalist Margaret Wente was removed from an honorary position with a Canadian university following a social media mobbing in which she was accused of being a racist and anti-feminist (Wente, 2020). “Due process” which would have allowed her to defend herself from the allegations was not given. In March, 2020, demonstrations spread throughout North America and into other continents following the death of George Floyd while he was in police custody in Minneapolis, USA. Systemic racism was assumed to be the cause. During the same year many schools and colleges in the United States ended achievement testing as a requirement for admittance, and employers paid for employee re-education sessions.
Pluckrose and Lindsay (2020b) named the movement behind these interconnected events “Critical Social Justice,” but this paper develops an argument that these events were influenced by an underlying social contagion that can be better understood as a mind virus. In developing this argument, it is first necessary to describe the “body” that may be infected by such a virus. The self is proposed as that body in the next section along with an evolutionary account of its development. In the second section of this paper I apply a model that allows us to recognize a mind virus to the modern cultural phenomenon of “wokeness.”
The self as a mental analogue to the body
The self is core to such psychological concepts as self-esteem, self-concept and self-empowerment. In this section, I describe how this evolved cultural construct became the paradigm of practice within the profession and how cultural units may attach themselves to this self. I discuss the historic tension between collectivism that gives definition to ourselves as a social species and the individualism inherent in a self capable of volitional planning and consciousness. I conclude this section by reviewing how we might determine this self has become infected by other units of culture that serve to appropriate the self’s resources.
Most current schools of psychotherapy emphasize individual choice with respect to personal development with the implication that selved individuals are making these choices. Classical behaviourists (Skinner, 1974) presented an alternative view that consciousness and the self that has it are unnecessary distractions preventing a scientific examination of behaviour. In keeping with this deterministic view, behaviourism focused on helping patients using classical and operant conditioning as opposed to cognitive processing. Behaviourism delivered impressive results in treating such conditions as depression, anxiety, alcoholism, trauma and conduct disorder, and in so doing, providing concrete evidence that we are a species whose behaviours are determined by genetic and environmental factors. Despite these successes, behaviourism failed to become dominant in the profession. As we shall see, this failure was grounded in a species-wide consensus on the mental attributes of humanness. Its successes, however, suggest a way that mind viruses could operate to undermine those attributes.
Thomas Kuhn (1970) described psychology as a “proto-science” for failing to develop a unifying paradigm that would take it out of the domain of philosophy and into the domain of science. Hutcheon (1996) identified three “formations” that potentially could have become such a paradigm: Psychoanalysis, genetic developmentalism, and behaviourism. She identified behaviourism as the most fruitful of the three; however, she concluded it failed “because it attacks the very roots of our cultural assumptions” (p. 261). These cultural assumptions include: 1) human beings have minds, 2) minds presuppose the presence of beliefs, and 3) beliefs are only possible if there is the notion of objective evidence by which we can determine truth.
Many academics have endorsed the determinist alternative to these cultural assumptions, that consciousness, free will and the self are illusions (Blackmore, 1999; Coyne, 2012; Cronin, 2003; DiCarlo, 2010), but the practice of psychotherapy has proceeded in the opposite direction. By the twenty-first century, even those who still called themselves behaviourists were talking about personal choices and cognitive distortions, thus sounding very much like the therapists who now called themselves cognitive-behaviourists. Classical behaviourism had encountered an already-established paradigm that humans are thinking animals with minds capable of logical consistency and rational evidence-based assessment. While a profession that is united by these notions could assimilate deterministic methods, it could not capitulate to a determinist ontology because to do so would undermine the foundational assumption of that we are thinking, rational beings.
A mind capable of having beliefs necessarily posits evidence for those beliefs–evidence that, in turn, presupposes a reality that the mind can understand. Moreover, a mind with the ability to assess evidence, independently and temporally, could not exist without self-awareness. But the self, defined by these capabilities, represents a relatively recent cultural adaptation (Robertson, 2020) that embodies a tension between individualism (with its sense of volition, uniqueness, constancy and reflectivity) and collectivism (with its sense of community, social interest, attachment and productivity). The two case studies that follow illustrate the self in map form, and how that self may change.
Therapeutic change to the self of two clients
“Suzie” (Robertson, 2011) had attempted suicide five times before I saw her. When established methods of treating suicide ideation failed to bring necessary results (cognitive behavioural therapy, Adlerian psychotherapy, narrative therapy, and Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing), I suggested that we map her self to find out what was blocking treatment. We began by identifying units of culture that represented who she was. Each referent word, or meme, included connotative meaning, affect and associated behaviours. Using the idea that connotative, affective or behavioural similarities between memes could be represented as links, we produced the map in figure 1.
Few memes in figure 1 suggest individual volition or social interest. A meme labeled “depressed person” is central and attempts to remove it prematurely had destabilized the entire structure. We began to move or remove memes supporting the placement of “depressed person” as central while building a new core with a focus on social interest and volition. Suzie could now visualize a better self and accept evidence that it was true. Her suicide risk receded. She found achievement and recognition when she relocated to a new community.
When I presented this case study to a doctoral class, one participant declared that I was simply doing cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT). From that point of view, the map suggested cognitive re-framing, supplemented by behavioural “homework assignments.” These challenged negative memes such as “ugly” and supported a new “human rights” core. A narrative therapist in class disagreed, suggesting that memes provided the outline of a story, and I had helped my client write a better one. Actually, I began my career as an Adlerian psychotherapist. This anecdote illustrates that the self, as pictured here, is fundamental across psychotherapeutic schools of practice.

Figure 1: Initial self-map of a youth with suicide ideation, showing memes in relation to each other
About a decade after I worked with Suzie, another client, “Olivia” came to me with symptoms of PTSD after being raped by a friend during a night of heavy drinking (Robertson, 2016). After a month of CBT-informed treatment, she was able to return to work. Nonetheless, she acknowledged a personal history that included failed relationships, alcohol abuse and the loss of child custody. She asked for further psychotherapy, focused to become a better decision-maker. We began by developing the self-map represented in figure 2.

Figure 2: A self map of a woman suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder
*Link to more legible image here.*
The bottom bar represents the biological forces that sometimes triggered various clusters of memes labeled “imperfect,” “spiritual / fitness” and “social self.” Thick arrows represent the influence of her family, spouse and work on her self-definition. To the extent that biological and environmental forces control the structure of the self, we can say that it is “determined.” During the course of treatment, we were able to add or modify several memes in Olivia’s “imperfect self” giving her a more balanced identity. She developed a sense of empowerment and volitional control, both of which she used to maintain her commitment to behavioural change. She no longer defined herself as a depressed person, although she acknowledged that everyone experiences sadness and depression on occasion. She developed new associations between clusters that gave her the ability to choose to not ruminate on her deficiencies. We added a second bar, below the menu of emotions, to recognize her “psychological characteristics” such as intelligence, introversion and self-assurance.
Significantly, Olivia now found restrictive the very relationships that she had found to be supportive during her bout with PTSD. Her spouse now accused her of wanting to be better than him, possibly when she refused to join him on his drinking binges. Her employer refused to allow her enough latitude to make decisions on the job. Her mother would unexpectedly enter her house searching for the drugs that she assumed were stashed there. Olivia came to the insight that her spouse, employer and parents had not changed—but that she had changed. If she wanted to keep her newly minted self, therefore, she would have to move to another community. With the help of distance-counselling and some new friends, she re-established herself elsewhere and even negotiated new boundaries with her family.
A determined species unchained and re-chained
As can see from the examples of these two clients, the social environment is a powerful determinant of who we are. Determinists would say that psychotherapists, directed by their programming, overpower the other determinants that keep their clients’ old selves in place. Determinists would have more difficulty, however, in explaining why both clients chose to move to other communities without the advice of their therapist. To argue that therapists unconsciously push their clients in such directions requires the assumption of unseen forces. A simpler explanation would be that most of our decisions are determined but that, with hard work and mental resources, we can make decisions at variance from our memetic and genetic programming (Robertson, 2017a).
In The Evolved Self (Robertson, 2020), I argue that volition and temporal constancy combined with a more primal self as recently as the beginning of the first millennium BCE. Our sense of constancy, that we are in some important sense the same person over time, allows us to think about our selves in remembered events while considering how we might have influenced alternative outcomes. Using a similar mechanism, we can imagine our selves in the future and predict outcomes on the basis of available evidence. What constitutes evidence will necessarily, at least in the first instance, be learned. If having a better grasp of reality ultimately favours better outcomes then cultures will evolve in that direction. For example, the scientific method, which originated in post-Enlightenment Europe, has brought about a revolution in new knowledge. The method itself has been appropriated by most non-European cultures where “culture” is defined as current practices, values and artifacts.
Beliefs are possible only in the mind of someone who accepts that there is some way to differentiate truth from falsehood; and that implies an objective reality. To change a belief about oneself, one must first take oneself as an object that can be examined. Unfortunately clients cannot change who they are at will. Like Suzie, they often resist changing even dysfunctional selves. They need evidence to support desired changes; otherwise it feels as though they are merely play-acting.
The rejection of classical behaviourism by psychotherapists, despite its demonstrated efficacy, flowed from deeply held cultural assumptions about what it means to be human. The combination of behaviourism with cognitivism suggests a form of compatibilism, that the concepts of free will and determinism are not mutually exclusive. The ideal of free will became part of our self-definition flowing from culturally evolved changes to the self (Robertson, 2020). While assumptions of personal volition, continuity, and reason became the benchmark of what it means to be human, we do not always attain this ideal. Psychologists are in the business of teaching clients the skills that they need to approximate this self. To Sagan (1996) that ideal involved doing science: “Every time we exercise self-criticism, every time we test our idea against the outside world, we are doing science. When we are self-indulgent and uncritical, when we confuse hopes with facts, we slide into pseudoscience and superstition” (p. 27).
Taking the objective view, as is necessary in science, does not come naturally to the human species. Jaynes (1976) said pre-Homeric Greeks relied on pre-programmed cultural responses to triggering events and when an event occurred that had not been prepared for in their cultural programming they reacted in a random, sometimes schizophrenic way. After a study of early Egyptian hieroglyphics, Johnson (2003) concluded that the early Egyptians did not have minds, as we would now define the term. A simpler explanation is that they did not have the kind of self that we take for granted today.
The individualism that forms a part of what I call “the modern self” (Robertson, 2020) was a potential threat to the stability of pre-modern societies made up primarily of people with a different kind of self. Since the self is a culturally mediated construct, by controlling available memes, collectivist societies can limit the possibilities available for self-construction. Acceptance of such constraints can be supported by appeals to authority, particularly religious authority. The Axial Age of the first millenium BCE (Jaspers, 1951; Mahoney, 1991) produced major world religions that were concerned with regulating the self in some ways. Early Confucian thought dealt with the moral development of the self in relation to the collectivity infusing it with a sense of duty to ancestors (Wu, 2017). Hindu thought divided society into a series of castes with a full education available only to the Brahmin caste. The Buddhist doctrine of “no-self” required initiates to place themselves under the direction of masters who represent the Buddha himself. Like Judaism, Christianity, has held that people must renounce the self, because human reasoning is faulty and true knowledge is divinely inspired. These teachings are consistent with a hypothesis that while the presence of people who could engage in individual volition and planning were valued, their abilities needed to be regulated.
Although the medieval Roman Catholic Church encouraged the practice of science that was consistent with its theology, the Protestant Reformation coupled with the re-learning of classical Greek philosophy in the scientific Renaissance of the sixteenth century led to the Enlightenment that began with Descartes, Bacon and Newton in the seventeenth. This Enlightenment did not invent individualism; it proclaimed that the individualism already inherent in the self that allowed for the determination of objective reality was good. Since a healthy self also requires relationships with others in the form of social interest, collective identity and intimacy, this development did not spell the end of collectivism, and each “individualist” society has retained or created ways of expressing communal or group identification.
In The Evolved Self, I argue that the struggle between collectivism and individualism occurs, in the first instance, within each person’s self. I argue also that, for the most part, we remain the determined beings that we have been throughout most of our history as a species; but also beings with the capacity to reflectively reprogram ourselves by acting on reasons that matter to us as individuals. If we view this conscious self that is capable of such reflective thought[3] as analogous to the body, then we need to consider that memes and meme complexes (which are not part of the self but nonetheless exist in culture) can be deleterious to it. These meme complexes would be analogous to viruses that can enter the body.
The emancipation of the self was not welcomed by everyone. People with functional selves face responsibility, after all, for their own well-being. They must realistically assess their circumstances, selecting those that would provide meaning and purpose, but also implement plans to assure their own happiness. My private practice is beset with clients who would rather place the responsibility for their own well-being on others. In his examination of totalitarian movements following World War II, Eric Hoffer (1966/1951) noted, “The frustrated follow a leader less because of their faith that he is leading them to a promised land than because of their immediate feeling that he is leading them away from their unwanted selves” (p. 110).
Building on the religious trope that our selves are inadequate, Martin Heidegger (1962) deconstructed science and reason by claiming that only one who is “Dasein” could know ultimate truth. “Dasein,” in Heidegger’s idiosyncratic usage, includes being present simultaneously in the past, present and future which only a few can achieve. He named himself and the fuehrer as Dasein. German psychologist Eric Fromm (1969) described the relationship between the totalitarian dynamic and the self:
There is the wish to submit to an overwhelmingly strong power, to annihilate the self, besides the wish to have power over helpless beings. This masochistic side of the Nazi ideology and practices is most obvious with the respect to the masses. They are told again and again: the individual is nothing and does not count. The individual should accept this personal insignificance, dissolve himself to a higher power, and then feel proud in participating in the strength and glory of this higher power. (pp. 257, 256)
It is frightening to consider that if Suzie had lived in pre-war Germany, a Nazi sympathizer could have suggested not only that she needed to accept her sense of personal insignificance but also that she could do so most effectively by identifying her self with glory of the Aryan race. Incorporating a new ideological or religious meme into one’s self, moreover, includes incorporating whatever attaches to that meme. In this example, Suzie would have felt Nazi militarism, anti-Semitism, and fuehrer worship as essential to her self. If both the Nazi and Suzie were caught in the same contagion, then we could say that one passed a mind virus to the other. In an earlier article (Robertson, 2017b), I listed four conditions necessary for diagnosing such a virus:
- A mind virus will result in an observable change or transition in self-definition, one that is neither planned nor related to self-betterment;
- The change must involve a diminution or negation of the modern self or its component parts;
- The change must involve an appropriation of personal resources for the purpose of spreading the meme cluster in question; and,
- The change is likely marked by considerable and uncharacteristic emotional valence.
Is wokism a mind-virus contagion?
The first section of this paper examined the structure of the self. I then proposed an evolutionary understanding of that structure and concluded with four conditions that are needed to satisfy a diagnosis of a mind virus that could be said to infect this self. Before applying those conditions to wokism in this second section, I define the term and explain why it is preferred to other labels sometimes used. Each of these labels are examined in turn: (1) postmodernism; (2) identity politics; (3) neo-Marxism; and (4) social justice (as a movement).
Postmodernism, the view that all knowledge is “socially constructed” and a product of power relationships, provides a method for the woke to attack and discredit competing beliefs. Objective evidence cannot be used to counter these woke beliefs since it is assumed that even science and reason amount to nothing other than a “white, male way of knowing” (Strong, 2002) and is, therefore, a conspiracy to oppress others. Tellingly, however, since they never deconstruct wokism itself, it cannot be said that it is completely postmodern. It is more like a religious faith, something postmodernists considered to be a grand meta-narrative.
Identity politics incorporates the tenet that that people are defined by the oppression that they have endured as members of their own races or other identity groups. Advocates do not apply this analysis to all groups. They describe Jews as white oppressors despite 2,000 years of anti-Semitic oppression. They describe East Asians as “honorary whites,” moreover, because in the United States these U.S. Americans are statistically ahead of actual whites on measures of academic achievement and income. Since identity politics is selectively applied, wokism cannot contribute to a general understanding of racism or oppression.
Most woke people identify with “the Left” and are sometimes referred to as “Neo-Marxists,” but postmodernism classified Marxism as a modernist “grand narrative” (Lyotard, 1984). Wokism appropriated Marx’s theory of class conflict where the “white race” is assigned the place of the capitalist or ruling class. By replacing Marx’s idea of class conflict with cultural warfare they ascribe class solidarity to one’s racial, gender or other assigned oppressed group. Thus, a black person who identifies with non-black workers might be accused of “false consciousness” which is, of course, a reversal of actual Marxism. Instead of striving to eradicate the capitalist class the logic of woke-Marxism would be to eradicate “whiteness” or “maleness.”[4]
The social-justice movements that began in the 1960s aimed at eliminating barriers faced by members of disadvantaged groups. The goal of equal opportunity would permit people, irrespective of sex or racial background to advance on the basis of their motivation and ability. Wokism appropriated the rhetoric of social justice. But by insisting on equal outcomes, instead of equal opportunities, they have devalued merit and work thus reversing the original goals of the social justice movements.
Wokism represents an inconsistent application of various historical, and sometimes conflicting, conceptual paradigms. I now examine this movement for the four conditions outlined in the previous section for determining the presence of a mind-virus.
Condition One: Change in Individual Self-Definition
The form of identity politics, on which wokism relies heavily, gives high status to recognized victim groups—which is to say non-whites, non-heterosexuals and non-males. Moreover, it gives even higher status to people who are simultaneously members of several victim groups under the rubric “intersectionality.” Competition between victim groups for greater recognition rewards people for identifying and fixating on perceived grievances (Noor, Shnabel, Halabi, & Nadler, 2012). One study of university students (Gabay, Hameiri, Rubel-Lifschitz, & Nadler, 2020) identified an emergent interpersonal-victimhood personality type characterized by a pathological need for recognition, difficulty empathizing with others, feelings of moral superiority, and a thirst for vengeance. The study noted that those who have this personality type “lash out” when others question their victimhood or challenge their self-image of moral superiority. Increasing numbers of these self-identified victims create a culture of victimhood in which “the aggrieved actively seek the support of third parties as well as those that focus on oppression” (Campbell & Manning, 2014 p. 692). This culture of group victimhood is gradually supplanting a culture based on individual dignity.
Woke identity politics holds that members of the “white race” are collectively and innately oppressors, which makes them analogous to the capitalist or bourgeois class in Marxism (Campbell & Manning, 2014; Dovidio, Kawakami, & Gaertner, 2002; Pluckrose & Lindsay, 2020b). Because it is assumed, in wokism, that white males have benefitted from “privilege” both racially and sexually, they are not allowed to claim victim status even though they may be victims in many ways. Yet, white males are visibly active in the woke movement. I would expect their personalities and self-definitions to vary from those of other woke people. Here is a case study of woke white male personality based on my personal “lived experience” as a moderator of two humanist discussion groups in 2020.
The first discussion group was “open” in that any member of the group was allowed to post any article or topic providing they had not been previously banned from doing so. Although membership in the group varied between 1,500 and 1,600, active participants on any given post rarely numbered more than 20 except for the most controversial ones. Wokists were active on most controversial posts, and most of these activists were, judging from their profile pictures, white males.
When I actively began to moderate this group, I found woke members swearing at people who disagreed with them, calling them racists, “alt-righters,” and “white supremacists.” The woke members frequently suggested that the moderators should ban such people for not being true humanists. I scrolled through the relevant conversations and found that no one had posted anything that advocated racism or white supremacy. I developed a set of rules to encourage civil discourse and announced that I would delete posts that expressed hatred toward any person or any group. I announced that name-calling would be considered a form of expressed hatred.
“Bill” was probably already angry with me for deleting a post in which he called someone “a racist piece of shit” for suggesting that the authorities should not remove statues of Canada’s first Prime Minister, Sir John A. Macdonald. Macdonald, who gave Amerindian people in Ontario the vote and provided food to ward off starvation, also contracted with four Christian denominations to provide education. Malnutrition, physical and sexual abuses were subsequently found in many of these Indian Residential Schools. I suggested to Bill that Macdonald should not be judged for events that occurred without his knowledge well after his death. His reply was that I was “completely without conscience” and that I favoured “raping and torturing children.”
In a second humanist discussion group,[5] a Humanist Canada board member posted an article about a woke mobbing of a retired professor who had suggested there should be limits to abortion. The woke demanded that this professor lose his emeritus status at McGill University in Montreal, Canada, but the board member suggested that humanists need to fight for the freedom of speech of those even with whom we may disagree. “Jason” replied:
I don’t want anti-choice misogynists to have a platform. Voltaire’s quote you used is nice when you have the privilege to utter it, but it doesn’t mean much to oppressed and marginalized voices to know that their oppressors will continue to get a seat at the table because of some bizarre equivocation around free speech.
Within wokism, Bill and Jason are powerful white males who are assumed to have “voice” and a duty to speak for recognized victim groups whose “voices” are “oppressed and marginalized.” Disagreement with some aspect of a woke narrative identifies oppressors who are to be confronted by the special-status white males. At any point, however, a member of a victim group could find their voice and accuse those who have adopted a saviour role of patronizing them. I observed this in the open humanist discussion group. A board member had created a post with the theme “trans rights are human rights.” A transperson accused the board member of using trans issues to further a political agenda. The member both apologized deferentially and explained, without evidence, that humanists had been posting many transphobic statements which is why his post was needed.
Members of the woke movement who are also members of victim groups and who adopt a personality type consistent with woke narratives will assume a posture of moral superiority. Woke advocates who are white males can forestall negative intervention by these morally superior people by vigorously pursuing attacks on the non-woke coupled uncomplicated by nuance or compromise. We also need to consider the psychological benefits whites may obtain from a process Rene Girard described as “scapegoating” (Girard, 1989). Wokism has labeled whites to be an “oppressor race” with all members presumably guilty of benefiting from this oppressor status. White woke can temporarily transfer this guilt to a named scapegoat who then takes on the sins ascribed to this race. We have seen this process in the example of John A. Macdonald in Canada, attacks on Winston Churchill in Britain and on the founding fathers in the United States. As we will see in the subsequent discussion of woke mobbing, the process of scapegoating can be applied to anyone but in all cases it can only provide temporary psychological relief. While white males are more likely to be selected as a sacrificial scapegoat, as the sacrificial crisis becomes more severe categories start to break down and the actual victim selected by mimetic violence could be anyone. During the height of the sacrifice, it will seem that the victim is to blame for everything.
As can be seen from the foregoing, wokism has the effect of assigning specific personality characteristics to identity groups. While it may be that some people enter the woke movement with such personalities already expressed, the internal logic of wokism pressures individuals to conform to the personality assigned to their particular status.
Condition Two: Diminution of the Modern Self
The first section of this paper outlined how a healthy modern self includes the capacity for relationships with others in the form of social interest, collective identity and intimacy as well as more individualist aspects such as volition, uniqueness, continuity and reason. Combined, this self allows for the objective investigation of external reality. A negation of either our collectivist or individualist qualities would diminish this capacity.
In the humanist discussion groups that I monitored, woke members dismissed as racism or “transphobia” scientific research into the heritability of intelligence and rapid onset gender dysphoria. In doing so, they rely on the critical-social-justice trope that all knowledge is a function of power and is perpetrated by oppressive “discourses.” There is, of course, a contradiction in this argument in that if there is no objective reality, as has to be the case where what is taken as knowledge is a function of power, then there can be no basis to believe that critical social justice is true. In this, the woke are similar to Heidegger who also put limits on science and reason but advocated a “higher authority” to inform the masses as to ultimate truth. The woke present themselves as that higher authority.
A functioning society is impossible if everyone were to uniquely determine their own subjectively held individual realties. If objective knowledge is impossible, then an alternative reality acting in the place of a Dasien must be imposed on non-believers. Free speech is irrelevant in arriving at truth if truth is determined by that higher authority. Indeed, free speech, in such circumstances, is potentially dangerous for allowing other understandings of reality to compete for the minds of those who are to be led. Therefore, the woke have journalists fired, have books and articles withdrawn from publication, “de-platform” speakers, and have professors fired for replacing ideological orthodoxy with heresy. The woke accuse those who fail to conform to their “reality,” of racism, sexism or a host of new “phobias” that no psychologist would ever diagnose. All this is done in the name of those who allegedly lack “voices.”
The voice of former Sacramento Kings broadcaster Grant Napeer was also silenced. Asked his opinion of Black Lives Matter, he said that “All lives matter, every single one.” In an apology, he stated that he had never imagined how the phrase could be offensive to anyone. He was fired on June 2, 2020. Anyone who believes that all lives matter, of course, cannot be racist, but people to whom the woke had given this label had chanted the phrase at counter-demonstrations. As a sports broadcaster, Napeer could be forgiven for not knowing this history. Entertainers, writers and politicians have also been forced to apologize for uttering this anti-racist sentiment. On October 8, 2020 an aboriginal Inuit cabinet minister, Patterk Netser, was removed as housing minister in the territory of Nunavut after posting “all lives matter” on his Facebook page.
The woke list of proscribed phrases includes “sexual preference,” “colour blind” (when referencing racism), “not racist,” and “sex change.” New words such as “intersectionality,” “heteronormativity,” “cisgender,” “microaggression” and “LGBTQ+” are de rigueur. Old words and phrases, moreover, take on new meanings. During the 1970s, for example, “systemic racism” was used in connection with organizational policies and practices that resulted in discrimination. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) during that era had a policy that police officers had to wear a standard issue hat. The effect of that policy was that devout Sikhs, who wear a turban, could not become police officers. That policy was changed. A policy of racially profiling people to be stopped to be searched would also be an example of systemic racism.
In June 2020 RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki said she had looked at her organization’s policies and procedures and could not find any examples of systemic racism. The prime minister’s office, using a different definition, forced her to recant her views. This more recent woke definition of systemic racism is that if there are differential outcomes, for example in arrest rates, then systemic racism must be the cause. Such a simplistic analysis ignores the need to research complex socio-economic factors that could lead to a higher crime rate over which the police have no control.
The picture that emerges is wokism as a kind of filter, an overlay on actual events. Because we think primarily in words when interpreting events, the woke emphasis on language and language policing is an attempt to force the general public to accept the interpretations this filter produces. Thus, wokism is not merely about restricting freedom of speech, it is about restricting freedom of thought. In trying to control, restrict or inhibit our ability to reason, wokism diminishes these very capacities of the self returning us to a form of pre-Enlightenment collectivism. From this perspective, wokism is not revolutionary but reactionary.
Condition Three: Appropriation of Individual Resources
When a woke participant in one of my humanist discussion groups amended his comments after others had already responded, I viewed it as a personal idiosyncrasy. After three participants did the same thing, however, I took notice. These actions pointed to a psychological means by which wokism appropriates time and resources.
The term “woke” originated as a self-referent by adherents of this odd mixture of postmodernism, Hegelianism, Marxism, “social justice” and religion. Appropriated from African American slang, it represented a slur against those who were not sufficiently “awake” to accept their belief system. Like early Calvinists, who believed that they are predestined to join the “elect” and end up in heaven but still needed to continually demonstrate their piety as a way of proving their claim, the woke need to continually demonstrate their superior insight. In this example, they did not need to change the record to help the unwoke, with whom the conversation had already ended, but to demonstrate to other woke who might come across that record that they are indeed one of the elect. In “cancel culture” individual posts and records are examined dating back decades so that enemies of wokism can be eviscerated and publically shamed. This results in an impulse for woke advocates to not leave any record that might imply they are not sufficiently woke.
One can display one’s woke virtue by participating in internet and media mobbing. In November 2019, Don Cherry, a sports broadcaster who had been baiting liberals for decades on his Hockey Night in Canada program, decided to promote Canada’s Remembrance Day tradition of buying poppies to support programs for veterans. He lamented that no one from Toronto was buying poppies anymore and opined, “You people, you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you can pay a couple bucks for a poppy or something like that.” Within two days, the Canada Broadcast Standards Council received so many complaints about Cherry’s “racist” comment that their website went down. But this was not a popular public reaction. Only those using the woke mental filter can see racism in a request to buy poppies. Because the woke were not politically predisposed to watching Cherry in the first place, it is unlikely that many of those who complained actually listened to the program. But Cherry lost his job.
Another venue for virtue signalling involves participation in anti-racist demonstrations. Not all members of Black Lives Matter (BLM) are woke, but those who are, given their allegedly superior understanding, try to occupy its leadership positions. Within three days of the killing of George Floyd by police on May 25, 2020, BLM demonstrations occurred in at least 30 U.S. American cities and others around the world. Eight thousand protesters demonstrated in Portland, Oregon, on May 28. Rioting that included breaking store windows, looting, starting fires, and hurling projectiles at the police began the day after. A pattern of peaceful demonstrations by day and riots by night soon solidified. “Riots,” in this instance, were planned in advance. On Facebook and Twitter, the rioters found locations, times and instructions. They were provided food, medical attention, gas masks and shields to protect them from rubber bullets and tear gas. They were armed with modified lasers, fireworks, clubs, hockey sticks, hammers, and in one case, a chain saw.
Portland city council responded to demands to defund the police by cutting $15 million from its police budget in June. On July 2, several federal policing agencies arrived in Portland to protect federal buildings and monuments. On July 15, Mayor Ted Wheeler said that the federal “troops” were responsible for provoking the violence and demanded their withdrawal. On July 18, rioters broke into the Municipal Police Association building, setting it on fire. On July 30, the federal police were withdrawn. Except for serious offences, rioters went free without bail. According to reporter Andy Ngo, some rioters were charged and released as many as five times.
In August, Wheeler stated that President Trump had caused the riots through his policies. On September 10, in keeping with the demands of protestors, Wheeler banned the use to tear gas by police. Trump was defeated in November, but the riots continued. Following a riot on New Year’s Day, 2021, Wheeler stated that his “good faith efforts at de-escalation have been met with ongoing violence and even scorn from radical Antifa and anarchists.”
Real revolutions are led by real revolutionaries who believe there is an objective reality outside of themselves, and they use that reality to plan. Violence in their world is connected to goals. It may be difficult but not impossible to negotiate with these realists. But Wheeler could not deal with people who have rejected the realist approach. A virus does not recognize compromise, only an opportunity to grow. From a viral perspective, that is what Wheeler provided with his various appeasements. Not that they would thank him. A woke group assaulted him in a Portland restaurant on January 6, 2021.
In this section I outlined a psychological mechanism explaining the extreme attention to detail exhibited by woke in making their presentations. I also reviewed part of a massive social upheaval that is only made possible through a substantial time and financial commitment by woke. Those woke who participate in riots are also risking their physical well-being. It is clear from this account that wokism involves the appropriation of considerable personal resources.
Condition Four: Emotional Valence
Wokism is a morality play involving an epic and enduring struggle between the forces of good and evil. In this respect, it resembles a fundamentalist form of religion. As Eric Hoffer (1966/1951) noted following World War II, “A mass movement can get along without a god but not without a devil. An abstract devil won’t do, it must be tangible. This is why Christians must demonize and dehumanize opponents.”
In True Believers, Hoffer (1966/1951) described a subset of people in each religion or ideology who cannot accept the idea that others, with very different beliefs, could have an equal claim to goodness. Minions of the devil in wokism are given names such as “alt-righters,” “racists” and “gender traitors.” But few people actually advocate white supremacy, support racism, or see themselves as traitors to their own genders. Wokists try to resolve the resultant cognitive dissonance by declaring statistical evidence itself to be a product of racism and by resorting to what Nathanson and Young (2006) called “linguistic inflation.” We have already discussed how calling on people to buy Remembrance Day poppies was seen as the hate crime of “racism.” The linguistically inflated hate crime of being a gender traitor was illustrated with an article by a transwoman posted on the “open” humanist discussion group previously mentioned. The article describes J.K. Rowling’s view that sharing safe spaces between women and transwomen is threatening for women as “overblown.” The author conceded, however, that some predatory men could potentially use their access (as transwomen) to gain access. She recommended that trans and feminist communities should negotiate a solution. A fellow moderator deleted the article on the grounds of “hate speech.” If suggesting even negotiation makes one a “gender traitor,” then any deviation at all from woke dogma is tantamount to complicity in evil. This cynical mentality creates a problem for woke people, because conventional wisdom necessarily changes over time. With no central organization to define or authorize such change, woke people protect themselves from internal criticism by being hyper-alert and over reactive.
Compassion and social interest are likely the initial factors by which the woke memeplex attaches itself to the selves of most woke people. But the driving force behind their activism flows from a moral panic—which relies on the assertion that evil people, who must be stopped, are bent on oppressing others. A similar moral panic emerged in 1966 as the Chinese Cultural Revolution.
China’s policies had produced economic failure and widespread famine. A cadre around Chairman Mao Zedong concluded this was the fault of “bourgeois elements” in industry, in government circles and even in the Communist Party. Believers conceded that many of these people were unconscious of their revisionism. Mao organized idealistic students, his “Red Guards,” to save the revolution. They began by revolting against their respective schools and cancelling classes. When huge demonstrations failed to produce the desired change, they began rooting out the evil, identifying members of the “bourgeoisie” by their lifestyle, use of language, family backgrounds, and how well they applied Chairman Mao’s “little red book” of quotations. The Red Guards publically humiliated offenders, who typically lost their jobs. Mob violence was common and killed many people. Academics and intellectuals ended up in remote “re-education camps.” Vandals destroyed books, statues, monasteries, museums and anything associated with “old culture.”
Moral panics in the United States and Canada show some affinity with wokism. Even though almost everyone agreed in the 1920s that drunkenness was a problem, the Prohibition movement claimed that even a little alcohol was evil. Despite good intentions, Prohibition was a windfall for criminal gangs. And with the authorities confiscating alcohol, it became logical to quickly drink all one had resulting in an upsurge in binge drinking.
Fear of communism drove the McCarthyism of the 1950s. Associates, friends and relatives reported on each other to the House Un-American Activities Committee, which made sure that suspected communists were publicly humiliated and lost their jobs and that those who refused to cooperate spent time in jail. The Satanic abuse and sexual abuse scares of the 1990s, aided by the dubious science of Repressed Memory Syndrome, resulted in lost jobs, broken families and many innocents in prison. These North American moral panics intended to change culture in some ways, but they did not require a diminution of selves and thus would not satisfy the definition of a mind-virus used here.
Discussion
Wokism meets the four criteria used for identifying a mind virus. Because those criteria include the diminution of the self, it should not be surprising that wokism is heavily deterministic. By controlling the outer world of the cultural environment, it seeks to control the inner world of thought. As classical behaviourists in psychotherapy discovered, behaviourism works. Psychologist Susan Blackmore (1999) described humans as “meme machines” with illusions of free will. But she is only partially correct. Ordinarily, we modern humans follow patterns that our parents, teachers, religious leaders or other significant others mandated. Or we perform some behaviours habitually. Nonetheless, we have the capacity to re-program ourselves by focusing our attention, examining evidence, selecting alternatives, predicting results, and changing our behaviours (Robertson, 2017a). This is hard work and time consuming. Wokism seeks to become our significant other, replacing the role of such people as parents, teachers and religious leaders in generating our behavioural programming, while limiting our capacity for self-programming. That a mishmash involving the partial application of often competing philosophies could accomplish this in a largely educated population invites discussion as to its origin.
We can speculate about how a group of old Stalinist academics, sufficiently traumatized by the collapse of the Soviet Union to ignore the postmodernist attack on Marxism as a grand meta-narrative, began experimenting with pieces of various philosophies. Shaped by the reactions of their students, these professors hit on a combination that, though not philosophically consistent, was highly emotive: implanting a feeling of superior knowledge and urgency in their charges along with built-in “attack memes” that prevented them from easily assimilating non-sanctioned points of view. From the perspective of a mind-virus, people become vectors for the purpose of infecting new hosts (Bjarneskans, Gronnevik, & Sandberg, 1997). I doubt that many of the woke have actually read Jacques Derrida let alone Marx, Heidegger, Hegel or the other white males that grandfathered their worldview. Irrespective of its actual origins, this mind-virus has demonstrated a capacity to mutate that defies placement on the political spectrum.
A virus has no ideological loyalty. New mutations can rapidly overtake older ones. While initial varieties of wokism were anti-capitalist, the corporate media and transnational high tech companies (including some of the world’s richest people) have adopted a new strain. Whereas the Left has traditionally challenged the concentration of corporate power, particularly with respect to corporations controlling news, the woke have embraced the rights of private companies to censor viewpoints. We have to consider, therefore, how wokism serves monopoly capitalism. Globalization has lowered the real wages of working class people and reduced the job prospects of anyone with a high school education or less in the United States and Canada. The jobs that these people once held have been largely outsourced to low-wage economies. If the working class is racially divided, which is guaranteed by identity politics, then it cannot be effectively organized by unions or political parties as a class. Wokism provides the capitalists who benefit most from globalization with opportunities to signal their own virtue while cementing in place the very system that created their huge profits in the first place.
Inoculation against a mind-virus is possible through self-education. We need to recognize the code words that woke people use and the contradictions that are inherent in their assertions. This virus normally begins by appealing to our social conscience. If we happen to be members of an identified minority, it appeals to our group loyalty. If that does not work, then the woke typically lash out, as I have shown. We need to recognize the pattern. I recommend a sense of humour to maintain perspective. I do not recommend apologies, because wokists see these as admissions of moral deficiency, and these “admissions” can be used to manipulate others. Instead, we should focus on the deficiencies in wokism and on objectively verifiable facts. Remember that the world has become a much better place in the last 50 years. Poverty, disease, infant mortality, racism, sexism and the murder rate have all declined worldwide. We need to celebrate these advances and protect science and reason that have made them possible. Pluckrose and Lindsay (2020a) said:
We do not believe that bad ideas can be defeated by being repressed, especially when they are as socially powerful as postmodern ideas are right now. Instead, they need to be engaged and defeated within the marketplace of ideas, so that they may die a natural death and be rightly recognized as defunct. (p. 264)
To defeat a mind-virus we must first re-assert the Enlightenment ideal that human beings, through the use of evidence-based processes, can indeed begin to discern objective reality and truth. I hope that I have contributed to this process with this paper.
Acknowledgements
Paul Nathanson contributed to the sections on linguistic inflation and moral panics in previous discussions with the author. He contributed his extensive editing skills to this project.
Trevor Robertson of Woosong University, South Korea, suggested the use of Rene Girard’s concept of scapegoating. He also assisted in editing this manuscript.
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Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Dr. Robertson is Lead Psychologist, Collaborative Centre for Justice and Safety at the University of Regina, Canada. He has published on the structure of the self, the use of prior learning assessment in self-construction, self-mapping in therapy, memetic mutations in religious transmission, and “residential school syndrome” as a form of post-traumatic stress disorder. His recent book The Evolved Self: Mapping an Understanding of Who We Are was published by the University of Ottawa Press.
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 22, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/wokism; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
[3] As used here, reflective thought is a kind of thinking involving situating one’s self in past events.
[4] In 2017, a founder of Black Lives Matter, Toronto was reported as posting on her Facebook page “Whiteness is not humxness, in fact, white skin is sub-humxn. All phenotypes exist within the black family and white ppl are a genetic defect of blackness” (Curl, 2017).
[5] This second group is Humanist Canada’s official Facebook page. Only Humanist Canada board members and designated employees could post to this page although all members can respond.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Robertson L. Year of the Virus: Understanding the contagion effects of wokism [Online]. February 2021; 26(B). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/wokism.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Robertson, L.H. (2021, February 22). Year of the Virus: Understanding the contagion effects of wokism. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/wokism.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): ROBERTSON, L. Year of the Virus: Understanding the contagion effects of wokism. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.B, February. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/wokism>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Robertson, Lloyd. 2021. Year of the Virus: Understanding the contagion effects of wokism.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.B. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/wokism.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Robertson, Lloyd “Year of the Virus: Understanding the contagion effects of wokism.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.B (February 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/wokism.
Harvard: Robertson, L. 2021, ‘Year of the Virus: Understanding the contagion effects of wokism’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.B. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/wokism>.
Harvard, Australian: Robertson, L. 2021, ‘Year of the Virus: Understanding the contagion effects of wokism’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.B., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/wokism.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Lloyd H. Robertson. “Year of the Virus: Understanding the contagion effects of wokism.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.B (2021): February. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/wokism>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Robertson L. Year of the Virus: Understanding the contagion effects of wokism [Internet]. (2021, February 26(B). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/wokism.
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Ricardo Rosselló Nevares holds a PhD in Bioengineering and Biotechnology. He graduated from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) with a Bachelor’s degree in Chemistry and Biomedical Engineering with a concentration in Developmental Economics. Rosselló continued his academic studies at the University of Michigan, where he completed a master’s degree and a PhD in Bioengineering and Biotechnology. After finalizing his doctoral studies, he completed post-doctoral studies in neuroscience at Duke University, in North Carolina, where he also served as an investigator. Dr. Rossello was a tenure track assistant professor for the University of Puerto Rico Medical Sciences Campus and Metropolitan University, teaching courses in medicine, immunology, and biochemistry. Dr. Rossello’s scientific background and training also makes him an expert in important developing areas such as genetic manipulation and engineering, stem cells, viral manipulation, cancer, tissue engineering and smart materials. He discusses: the family history; Catholic schools running through kindergarten through high school; earliest stages of being alone as a child; bioengineering as a path in education; and formal tests.
Keywords: bioengineering, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Puerto Rico, Ricardo Rosselló Nevares, University of Michigan.
Conversation with Dr. Ricardo Rosselló Nevares on Family History, Catholic Schooling, Being Alone, Mathematics, Bioengineering, and Gifted Identification: Former Governor, Puerto Rico (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So, superhero movies are very popular now. So, I want to ask, “What is your origin story?”
Dr. Ricardo Rosselló[1],[2]*: [Laughing].
Jacobsen: Some of the family history, as with any historical process, how this led to your coming into being.
Rosselló: When I was a little kid, I had parents that were loving, caring. I was the youngest of three children. I was not necessarily planned for. I came a little bit after the others. Even though I was the smallest of three, I had two worlds.
I was treated as a young child, but was a lonely child, the anomaly child. After that, I had some moments or certain moments creating the person who I am right now. I would say one of them was a pretty serious surgery when I was young. I had to be taken off school for a while.
I had two very complicated kidney surgeries when I was about 8 or 9. So, I mentioned that before because when I was in school in kindergarten, first grade, second grade. I had a hard time fitting in. One time, I went to Catholic school. When they were teaching us to write our name, I would write my name from the center on outwards.
I would take two pencils and start the first letter of my last name with my right and the last letter of my first name with my left. I would then expand outward. Instead of seeing that as sort of a novelty or, at least, a neat parlour trick, they thought there was something wrong with me.
I had to partake in writing lessons, writing calligraphy. It was pretty rudimentary because I was ambidextrous. They, essentially, had to tie a pencil to one of my hands, so I would only use my right hand. That was one of the moments.
I would say like that. I can share other stories. There were unique challenging moments where I had this mix of feeling I had to overcome big obstacles and then enjoying afterwards. It was not until a little bit later that they figured out; I was not possessed.
Jacobsen: Ha!
Rosselló: Or had severe learning disabilities, but that I had a higher IQ, that started changing things. Another story parallel to that, because of this apprehension in the get-go, I didn’t really get into math. I thought I was very bad at mathematics.
Kids that go to these sorts of events start preparing and training from the very early get-go. For my case, I can clearly state that I didn’t get into mathematics or had any interest up until the first two months of 9th grade, where I had a serendipitous event.
One teacher can change the life of a person. I had this one teacher. For some reason, I fell into the advanced mathematic class. Even though, I was horrible. This guy was notorious for calling out people. He was a guy who trains mathletes.
When I came in, he didn’t feel like I belonged there. So, he picked on me. My first reaction was to sit in the back and not say anything, to blend in and move by; one day, he put this math problem on the board for people to solve. He picked on me.
I was afraid. I went up there. I solved it. It was not a technical mathematical problem. It was IMO, the International Mathematical Olympiad, type of problem and took a hold of it. He sat me down and said, “We have this math club. I would like you to come by.”
To me, it was completely surreal. I had no business. I really had big lagoons on basic mathematical operations, and so forth. But the long story short. Through high school, I was able to thrive on that.
One of the first people from Puerto Rico to ever get to the International Mathematical Olympiad. It was really that serendipitous moment in time, where I was really just flowing by, playing sports, and doing that sort of thing, not focusing on my intellectual development.
Thanks to that sort of intervention, it geared me into a more academic route towards the future. I think those are a few of the events. So, it is serendipity combined with bad luck that just turned out in a positive way.
Jacobsen: Were these Catholic schools running through kindergarten through high school?
Rosselló: Yes, back home in Puerto Rico, the education system is really unequal. Over here in the States, right now, for example, I have my kids in public school. These public schools are just as good as private schools.
There are certain tangential things that you can add on the private side, but in terms of looking at how the kids succeed, enter college, and have opportunities; it is pretty much evened out. In Puerto Rico, it is completely the opposite.
If you went to a private school, the chances of going to college were 95%. If you went to a public school, obviously, as kids drop out and so forth, taking the basis as kids that enter the public school and kids that leave, then about 2% to 3% of them get to college.
So, it was a very different mindset. My parents, my dad is a physician turned politician afterwards. My mom, she was social services and psychologist. They put a big value on education and having the opportunities to move forward.
Jacobsen: You were mentioning various earliest stages of being alone as a child. Was this common even as you went into adolescence?
Rosselló: It is very common. I think I had those two compartmentalized – personalities if you will. It sounds awful. This very introspective persona that I have. Even though, I was the youngest. Again, my older brothers were adolescents when I was born.
I played with myself. I did all those things. When I had to go to the hospital for a year, it was a lot of internal mental games and thought experiments that I had to go through. I tried many sports. The one I really enjoyed was tennis. The one I thrived at was tennis.
It was largely because it was very individualistic. I would say that embedded in my DNA is that need. Even to this day, I can do tasks. I can do certain things with people around me, and learn to enjoy it.
But if I am going to do anything that I think is meaningful or creative, then I need to – literally – be closed up in a room to think about these things. The other part involved is the more public persona. I don’t know if I have given it a lot of thought.
I don’t know if it because of the lack thereof that I had in the onset or not, but I do enjoy being with people, working with people. It is trying to rationalize this dichotomy. I think it was (former) President Bill Clinton who said, ‘If you’re an extrovert, then when you’re around people; you get more energy. When you’re an introvert, you expend the energy.’
While I enjoyed it, every time that I had these big activities and so forth. It would take a physical toll on me. I think there is this space – I don’t want to say, “Loneliness,” but a very introspective space that I still need to function. Otherwise, I feel things around me start crumbling.
Jacobsen: Why did you pick bioengineering as a path in education?
Rosselló: These are other stories in the making.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Rosselló: When I was a little kid, when everybody wanted to be a police officer and a fireman, and so forth, I wanted to be a bioengineer. The reason: Since I was a kid, there were second-generation G.I. Joe toys called Cobra-La.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Rosselló: They were bioengineered supervillains. Obviously, the superheroes came along with them. I was fascinated by being able to engineer one’s biology. Not simply on the engineering end of cars and so on, but one’s biology.
When I was a very young kid, my dad gave me a few books to read and pick my imagination, Brave New World, which would tap into things that were obvious. But when I was growing up, we were just tapping into it.
That kind of faded into the background. I don’t know. I lost my way there. I was bouncing from thing to thing. All of the sudden, when I went to college, I chose at random, by the way. [Laughing] When I was deciding on what colleges to apply, when the day came to decide, I didn’t really know.
In my internal setting, it was between Princeton, MIT, and Wharton. I thought that I wanted to study business at one point, that’s why Wharton was there. I just left it up to chance. Luckily, for me, I picked MIT.
I really enjoyed my experience there. When I got there, I had no idea what I wanted to do. The MIT platform allows you to navigate freely for about a year-and-a-half before you know what you want to do.
I started looking at engineering. Within engineering, chemical engineering, once you start getting more specialized, I reconnected with the idea of biology and looking at biological systems to essentially enhance our humanity.
It would be medicine or tackling diseases. The way I see it. I used the engineering concepts to try to grasp what was occurring within biology. So, that’s the first Newtonian step. Once you’re there, you realize there’s a lot more complexity. I think it is a beautiful thing about biology and bioengineering.
Essentially, that’s how I had a primitive urge when I was 4-years-old. That dissipated and, somehow, I found my way, again, into it.
Jacobsen: When you’re going through university education, high school education, were there any formal tests to identify, “Oh, he’s a gifted kid”?
Rosselló: Yes, I took the Stanford-Binet. At that point, for some reason, the mentality is very different. I’m sure you’ve encountered this. They would tell the parents. Don’t let the kid know, don’t make him feel different, my parents always treated me as a smart kid.
So, there was no real change. Obviously, when I took that exam, they saw that there was more potential. The immediate aftermath of that was that they expected more of me [Laughing].
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Rosselló: I was cruising along getting the bare minimums. They were very happy when things jelled with the mathematics part of it because it was something that was of interest. I had a very hard time finding anything to read that was interesting to me.
My dad in 4th or 5th grade, when I couldn’t concentrate or find anything interesting, would give me these little booklets. I remember one was A Brief History of Time. That was by Stephen Hawking and really grabbed my attention.
He started getting me books in cosmology and astrophysics because it was really the only thing I kind of veered towards or had any interest in reading. There was that. Then there was at the University of Michigan, when I was doing my Ph.D. There was another test.
It was the Cattell test. They were doing these trilingual brain studies. They wanted to see what areas of the brain would light up. You had to have a certain minimum IQ score for that. I took that one as well.
Those were the first two indications. One was at some point in the intermediate school and then the other one was more in graduate school.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Former Governor, Puerto Rico.
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 22, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rossello-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Dr. Ricardo Rosselló Nevares on Family History, Catholic Schooling, Being Alone, Mathematics, Bioengineering, and Gifted Identification: Former Governor, Puerto Rico (1) [Online]. February 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rossello-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, February 22). Conversation with Dr. Ricardo Rosselló on Family History, Catholic Schooling, Being Alone, Mathematics, Bioengineering, and Gifted Identification: Former Governor, Puerto Rico (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rossello-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Dr. Ricardo Rosselló on Family History, Catholic Schooling, Being Alone, Mathematics, Bioengineering, and Gifted Identification: Former Governor, Puerto Rico (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, February. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rossello-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Dr. Ricardo Rosselló on Family History, Catholic Schooling, Being Alone, Mathematics, Bioengineering, and Gifted Identification: Former Governor, Puerto Rico (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rossello-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Dr. Ricardo Rosselló on Family History, Catholic Schooling, Being Alone, Mathematics, Bioengineering, and Gifted Identification: Former Governor, Puerto Rico (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (February 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rossello-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Dr. Ricardo Rosselló on Family History, Catholic Schooling, Being Alone, Mathematics, Bioengineering, and Gifted Identification: Former Governor, Puerto Rico (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rossello-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Dr. Ricardo Rosselló on Family History, Catholic Schooling, Being Alone, Mathematics, Bioengineering, and Gifted Identification: Former Governor, Puerto Rico (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rossello-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Dr. Ricardo Rosselló on Family History, Catholic Schooling, Being Alone, Mathematics, Bioengineering, and Gifted Identification: Former Governor, Puerto Rico (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): February. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rossello-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Dr. Ricardo Rosselló on Family History, Catholic Schooling, Being Alone, Mathematics, Bioengineering, and Gifted Identification: Former Governor, Puerto Rico (1)[Internet]. (2021, February 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rossello-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
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Abstract
Clelia Albano is from Italy. She’s a teacher of Italian and Latin, painter and poet writing in Italian and English. She has two collections of poetry, In Assenza di Naufragi, that was a finalist for the National Literary Contest “Il Mio Esordio 2018,” selected by the International Festival of Poetry of Genova, and “Come Tutte Le Cose di Questo Mondo”, a prosimetrum. She’s been published also in English on the american anthology “Winter” and by the literary magazine “The Night Heron Barks”. She loves reading, learning languages and editing for Wikipedia, which she has done since 2012. She is a Member of Capabilis and the United Sigma Intelligence Association. She discusses: growing up; a sense of an extended self; the family background; the experience with peers and schoolmates; some professional certifications; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence discovered; the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence necessary for genius; work experiences and jobs; particular job path; the gifted and geniuses; God; science; the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; ethical philosophy; social philosophy; economic philosophy; political philosophy; metaphysics; philosophical system; meaning in life; meaning externally derived, internally generated; an afterlife; the mystery and transience of life; and love.
Keywords: Catholicism, Clelia Albano, Dante Alighieri, genius, Italian, Latin, Naples, Richard Dawkins.
Conversation with Clelia Albano on Italy, Catholicism, God, Poetry, Dawkins, Dante Alighieri, and Genius: Member, Capabilis (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Clelia Albano[1],[2]: I love this question. It brings back memories of incredible people very significant in my life. My father was a teacher of Latin and Greek from Naples. He belonged to a remarkable family. Along with fairy tales I was mostly told stories of some ancestors and of notable relatives but also stories related to specific historical context such as WWII.
With regard to ancestors, my father recounted often about a well known poet of the Renaissance, Luigi Tansillo, one of the most prominent petrarchist of southern Italy – according to Treccani – who was the ancestor of his mother. This created a sort of mythical aura around my dad’s legacy. In addition he loved to recount anecdotes of his uncle -brother of his father- Leonida Albano, who was a magistrate who built a case against the fascist general Rodolfo Graziani. He also had two amazing aunts: Laura and Alba, both teachers, both erudite, both single by choice. In sum they were forerunners of the modern emancipated women. Laura was incredibly tall, a beautiful red-haired woman with green eyes and with an enormous number of men who vowed her hand. Alba was the opposite. A gracious little figure, but equally exquisite and fascinating. She taught Italian literature, Latin and Greek. I keep her vocabulary of Latin, a priceless memory. My father told me that given her skills and competencies she was hired as a private preceptor of the little prince of Montenegro at the time he was in Naples.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Albano: Yes, they have. Particularly they shaped my awareness of the importance of learning and of democracy. With regard to the feminine side of my family I also shaped the idea that a woman can self determine herself and that a woman can be what she wants to.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Albano: My family is of Italian language and catholic religion.
On the paternal lineage, cultural background is characterized by a high educational level. Many graduated in various fields – from teaching to medicine, from the military to law. The majority were teachers and head-teachers. My mother comes from a humble family. Her father was an employee at a municipal office. She has many siblings. Living in a very small town in a mountainous area with a limited budget and resources for traveling and attending universities, made not possible for her to earn a degree. Despite the obstacles they are brilliant and smart people though.
Religion is a relevant point in both my parents’ background.
I was raised as a catholic. Gradually I developed skepticism over faith although I can say I was a believer in my childhood and for half of my adolescence but always dubious. My dad was a church goer and he had an intellectual idea of faith; on the one hand as an intimate and private feeling, on the other as a form of rational dimension that gave no room for superstition, fanaticism and theatrical performance. He disliked the grotesque side of certain expressions of faith.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Albano: It was a good experience. I have attended public schools, the high school was a classic lyceum, and what I remember is the environment of the entire scholastic iter was heterogeneous. Honestly I got bored when lessons were too repetitive and I would be lying to say that I enjoyed the small tough chair and the constraint of school time. In my opinion once you have assimilated the contents you should be put in the condition of going further. It’s a mistake when teachers flat progresses. Doing like that transforms them into bureaucrats who close minds in evolution in a box. Being an only child I usually tended to socialize. On the other hand, I also tended to be selective because my tastes and attitudes didn’t often match the peers’ ones. I loved to paint, writing poems, create objects with clay and to draw illustrations, and I loved to listen to British and American pop music; as a child I loved Franco Battiato who is a singer, musician and a painter whose texts were revolutionary for the poetic texture and for the multiethnic influences, an odd taste for a kid. Strangely I have never been a child who giggled to children tunes and enjoyed songs for kids. As a student I was one who easily learned but I often think that a non conventional school would have met my inclinations better.
I have had some good teachers though.
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and trainings earned by you?
Albano: Well, after graduating in Literature and Philosophy – my degree is quadriennal that is equivalent to a Master degree – I earned a certification in Italian literature and history, another one in Italian literature and Latin, a certification in History and Philosophy. All these represent different teaching chairs in Italy, which means I’m qualified as a teacher for each of these certifications.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Albano: I took tests by chance. Before taking them I have had only some fun with taking these IQ tests that pop up in the Internet ads. One day I received a friend request from a Mensan, founder of one of those IQ societies and I told myself why not to give it a try? Since then, given the very good result, I entered several IQ societies and later I was friended to another Mensan who got the highest IQ score in the world a couple of years ago, and I took more than one of his tests. There are incredible, fascinating people in those societies, sensible and humble.
To be frank my personal purpose was to satisfy the curiosity to test my capabilities but I don’t feel comfortable being tested because I think there are aspects of our minds that cannot be measured.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Albano: There always have been things that were easy to comprehend and to retain in my mind, since my childhood. When you’re a kid you don’t notice that much the difference. You think everyone is like you. When you grow up you start to acknowledge that your mind works differently from the standard particularly because of the enormous size of the contents and information you realize you retain and with regard to myself also memory. Acquaintances, friends, schoolmates, and gifted people, were impressed by how easily I remembered contents even of a distant past.
More than memory it would be preferable to call it comprehension, because I retain what I’m interested in and what I want to learn. OK I also remember things that are not useful sometimes ( such as an anecdote of a cat named Sugar who fell down from a skyscraper ten years ago and it landed safe), but they surely were related to a certain mood or particular moment or a context that somehow was affecting my interaction with the world around me ( with regard to Sugar it’s because I love cats) not necessarily relevant context or memorable days though. Anyway across the time I realized that everything I remember is useful and precious. I have developed the idea that reality, life and experiences are linguistic codes and every single memory is a set of words that must be there in the vocabulary of our mind even if we will leave them in pages we will never visit again.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Albano: I think the reason is people feel uncomfortable in the presence of extra-ordinary, when someone does not meet the standard, the convention, the predictable. People find attractive those who are simple to imitate, they like to find in the other a mirror equipped with the same notions, prejudices, look, or by contrast they like social models that appear on the glossy covers of financial magazines or fashion zines or gossip. But a genius is different. A genius has nothing to do with social and economic business nor with aesthetical trends to launch. Looking back to the tragic end of many beautiful minds of history I think not only they were considered abnormal but given they were intellectuals, scientists, philosophers, artists and so on who reversed the monolithic knowledge and the officiality of held views (such as religious beliefs), they were seen as dangerous, they were considered a threat.
Jacobsen: Who seems like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Albano: Many to me are great. It’s not a piece of cake to make a choice. You know, was I a scientist I would have answered Einstein or Tesla but I’m a teacher in Humanities and I’m also a painter and a poet and although I am fond of a long list of writers, philosophers, painters, poets, all geniuses, I must admit that Dante Alighieri is more impressive than others because of the variety of narrative situations, of metaphors, of cultural contents and subjects he put inside the Divine Comedy. Moreover he is impressive because of his imagination. They say his contemporaries saw him as a voyant, strongly convinced he went across the three ultramundane reigns actually. This happened due to the realistic details of every experience he narrates. Beside this, he is the greatest because he had the courage to criticize the Church corruption and because he acknowledged that there is an innate predisposition even to feel love, among other things.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Albano: Generally I think sometimes they coincide. Profound intelligence is the faculty of understanding and interpreting others emotions, and learning. On the other side genius is intuition, exceptional ability to penetrate and dig inside the most intricate, complex problem. It is also creativity, inspiration but it is not for granted a genius is always empathic.
For a better explanation of what I mean I want to quote a passage from “Imaginary Lives” by Marcel Scwob, on the famous artist Paolo Uccello (Paul of the Birds):
“The truth was that Uccello cared nothing for the reality of things, but only for their multiplicity and the infinite lines and angles that form them; so he painted blue fields, red cities, knights in black armour on ebony horses with mouth aflame, and spears bristling skywards in every direction like rays of light… The sculptor Donatello would say to him: ‘Ah, Paolo, you are neglecting substance for shadow!’
Schwob portrays Uccello like an artist who is obsessed with lines and abstractions to such an extent that he loses sight of life and death, of love. So, if genius is not rooted in the emotional side, it lacks the intelligence of feelings. This is the difference.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Albano: Yep.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and jobs held by you?
Albano: All related to teaching. There are other experiences that can’t be considered works. I write poems and I published two books. The first collection was chosen by the International Festival of Poetry of Genova and I was a finalist in this national and international literary contest. My other experiences are related to art. I am also a painter and other experiences are related to cultural fields such as being wikipedian since 2012.
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Albano: I have to repeat myself, my faith in education and the influence of my father and relatives.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Albano: In my opinion a myth is that all the gifted people are sensitive, empathic, altruistic (as I briefly said before). To my knowledge some masters of art considered geniuses, weren’t so nice and good privately and if I think of my personal experience I can say I have known some highly intelligent people who are sadic, racist, misogynist.
I even don’t think that necessarily a poet or a great writer are sensitive. I have no clue why this happens. It might be that emotional intelligence is not always developed in intellectually developed people.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Albano: As I told you before once there was a time I was a believer, although in adulthood I realized this idea of God was instilled into my mindset by default, given my family’s background and beliefs.
Nonetheless I already doubted the existence of God when I was a child because the deepest mystery for me consisted in His invisibility. I was attracted by the idea of supernatural entities and this was for a certain period of my youth what triggered my curiosity even to the likelihood of another life on another dimension or planet.
When I grew up with my knowledge and critical thinking I lost my faith. Despite this I consider religions necessary. I see them as a form of literature and mythical narrative that specially in Italy with regard to Catholicism, during the Middle Age, passing through Renaissance, gave a strong impulse to Arts, and due to its closeness to the best minds of those times did contribute to the birth of spectacular frescoes, chapels, cathedrals, paintings, manuscripts, and why not, also poetry. Dante’s works, I aforementioned, are a perfect paradigm of poetic inspiration drawn from God. With regard to the other question, study of theology and philosophy is to be considered fundamental. Philosophy played a pivotal role in my formation.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Albano: Science is essential, although I must say it cannot explain everything. I’m scared by scientists like Dawkins, for example. To think there is mystery, that there are unexplainable things, gives me the sensation of being a human being. To think we are only neurons, synapses, chemistry and predictable beings transforms us into machines and it sounds creepy.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Albano: Spatio, visual and verbal. Respectively 138, SD 15, and 152, SD 15.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Albano: I can mention many philosophers that have influenced my idea of ethics, but since for me what structures life and society is a series of interconnected values and fields of knowledge – I don’t share the relatively recent habit of separating disciplines into sectors, because it produces only fragmentation – I will answer ethical philosophy that is carried by Gadamer’s aesthetics and hermeneutics. The reason is simple. Gadamer acknowledged there are not absolute truths and in Truth and Method (1960) he formulates the aesthetic concept that Art is related to the transmission of meanings across time. He wasn’t persuaded with the idea that a work of art loses its meaning when it is subtracted to the time of its creation, in opposition with what Schleiermacher theorised, for example. The artistic products are vehicles of objective truths that through an hermeneutical approach take new meanings. This addiction of meaning has an impact on the collective culture, education, ideals and ethics. What he calls prejudices (pre-judices) represent not negative preconceptions but our preformed cultural views, our knowledge, and as such they can be transformed by interpretation, since cultural values and aesthetical values have to be interpreted through the time. They can modify ethics because aesthetic he referred to is a set of signifiers that affects our behaviour, in other words Art, poetry and so forth, forward messages that for every span of time must be decodificated, and trans-codificated. I believe in the educational and ethical power of Art and Literature.
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Albano: About one year ago I read a book I consider one of the most beautiful books I ever read and one of the best books of philosophy of the last centuries: This Life, written by Martin Hägglund, professor of Comparative Literature and Humanities at Yale University. Page after page I nodded in agreement with the concept that this life is the only life we have. This means we have to employ our time to care for others, since there is neither religious consolation nor the promise of an infinite ultra mundane existence. Sociality is essential in Hagglund’s line of reasoning and so are politics and economics according to an original interpretation of Karl Marx. The ideal society should pursue democratic socialism. That said, I want to focus on social and human meanings this book carries with it because it’s, above all, a work on life and the social function of acknowledging our frailty and values, emotions and feelings related to loss and death which capitalism and neoliberalism tend to erase from our culture for replacing them with a dehumanizing frantic rhythm of living. In this work there’s no transcendent aspiration. Hagglünd argues one has to realize themselves here by cooperating with each other.
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Albano: It makes sense the theorisation of equality according to Enlightenment on the one hand, democracy conceived as a process strictly linked to contingency and not democracy as an absolute truth the way Hagglund has formulated in his philosophical speculation also through Derrida and Marx (in two different works).
Jacobsen: What metaphysics makes some sense to you, even the most workable sense to you?
Albano: Metaphysics is a fascinating word. It evocated parallel worlds in my youth, the aspiration to go beyond limits, the platonic Hyperuranius, the inexhaustible query of inspiring emotions. Nowadays poetry is my metaphysics.
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Albano: I think there isn’t only one philosophical system I can apply to my worldview. As a human being I see myself as part of an extended reality, as a person amongst thousands of people. That’s why I consider myself cosmopolitan and my weltanschauung cosmic. Not universal but cosmic since the word cosmic from the time of the ancient Greeks embraced the idea of multiplicity whilst universe is related to “unus” (one) and “monos” sounding exclusive and merely unilateral.
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Albano: Bonds of affection, empathy, progress.
Jacobsen: Is meaning externally derived, internally generated, both, or something else?
Albano: Part of the meaning comes from experience, the way we interpret the world, part is a construction.
Jacobsen: Do you believe in an afterlife? If so, why, and what form? If not, why not?
Albano: Being not a believer I don’t. This doesn’t mean there is not another dimension, a new form of existence. It would be amazing if reincarnation was a possibility. One thing I can do for sure to grant me an afterlife is to become a tree which is possible due to the so called Bios Urns. I read somewhere it is expensive though. Who knows, when I will die it might be they lower prices. Lol
Jacobsen: What do you make of the mystery and transience of life?
Albano: Inspiration.
Jacobsen: What is love to you?
Albano: Many things. First of all something to cultivate and nourish.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Italian & Latin Teacher; Painter; Poet, Member, Capabilis.; Memvber,
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 15, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/albano-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Clelia Albano on Italy, Catholicism, God, Poetry, Dawkins, Dante Alighieri, and Genius: Member, Capabilis(1)[Online]. February 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/albano-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, February 15). Conversation with Clelia Albano on Italy, Catholicism, God, Poetry, Dawkins, Dante Alighieri, and Genius: Member, Capabilis (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/albano-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Clelia Albano on Italy, Catholicism, God, Poetry, Dawkins, Dante Alighieri, and Genius: Member, Capabilis (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, February. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/albano-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Clelia Albano on Italy, Catholicism, God, Poetry, Dawkins, Dante Alighieri, and Genius: Member, Capabilis (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/albano-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Clelia Albano on Italy, Catholicism, God, Poetry, Dawkins, Dante Alighieri, and Genius: Member, Capabilis (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (February 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/albano-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Clelia Albano on Italy, Catholicism, God, Poetry, Dawkins, Dante Alighieri, and Genius: Member, Capabilis (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/albano-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Clelia Albano on Italy, Catholicism, God, Poetry, Dawkins, Dante Alighieri, and Genius: Member, Capabilis (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/albano-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Clelia Albano on Italy, Catholicism, God, Poetry, Dawkins, Dante Alighieri, and Genius: Member, Capabilis (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): February. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/albano-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Clelia Albano on Italy, Catholicism, God, Poetry, Dawkins, Dante Alighieri, and Genius: Member, Capabilis (1)[Internet]. (2021, February 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/albano-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: February 15, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,348
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Luca Fiorani is the first member of RealIQ Society by Ivan Ivec with an estimated IQ of 181.2 (σ15) combining 9 tests, where he studies and considers himself a philosopher in nuce. He discusses: a family history in the Partigiani; the triplet values; Roman Catholicism; the reason for being a loner; cut off social reality; studying; the “proper credentials for achieving something non-negligible”; a life work; regrets; discovery and commentary by other people at 7-years-old; the main reasons for the “society of exhibitionism”; Plato; Dante Alighieri; Leonardo da Vinci; Gottfried Liebnitz; Werner Heisenberg; Jacques Lacan; Kurt Gödel; some exceptions to the principle of profound intelligence required for genius; work, love, friendship; the correct properties of God; science changing the views of consciousness; personal perspectives on consciousness and the soul; freedom of the will and human nature; test constructors; Kantianism; Rousseauism; economic liberalism; Rawlsian ethics; Spinozan metaphysics; Nietzscheanism; reject solipsism; conscious agents, operators; the numinosum; and love.
Keywords: consciousness, love, Luca Fiorani, meaning, Partigiani, philosophers, soul, virtues.
Conversation with Luca Fiorani on the Partigiani, Virtues, Love, Meaning, Philosophers and Geniuses of Note, and Consciousness and the Soul: First Member, RealIQ Society (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: As an irregular army force, the Partigiani fighting against both Fascism and Nazism seems most intriguing to me. These stories of “bravery, fortitude, daring,” while ‘giving up is not an option,’ as a maxim, seems to imbue a family narrative with nobility in sentiment. Is this a sensibility found throughout many Italian families with a family history in the Partigiani?
Luca Fiorani[1],[2]*: Yes, I guess. Without Resistance there is no Liberation and without Liberation there’s no Liberty. Freedom is something valuable. Their sacrifice won’t be forgotten. Our current battles – for rights, against ideological systems, etc. – are mainly possible because of their battle, less metaphorical but even more representative. They’re an emblem.
Jacobsen: What are some aspects of personal life in which you have been able to fulfill the maxim and the triplet values of “bravery, fortitude, [and] daring”?
Fiorani: In the context of my psychological growth. I had demons to face and I fought them without quitting. This granted me the chance of living a more than acceptable life, I’d say satisfying – the only flaw/defect remains the lavorative scope: but I’m less than 30, nothing is lost, I still have opportunities, and I intend to take them.
Jacobsen: What does Roman Catholicism mean to a family living in Tuscany and Liguria while ‘embracing Catholicism in a not too rigid way’?
Fiorani: Roman Catholicism is rule, routine, standard for most families in Italy. The promulgated values are important and elevated. You can follow most of them even without being assiduously practicing, in my humble opinion: in fact, this very thing happens repeatedly, with no clamor.
Jacobsen: What was the reason for being a loner “as a child and as an adolescent”?
Fiorani: I don’t possess all the answers, things just happen, several factors I suppose – i.e. my nature/temperament/personality and others’ cognitive and emotive maturity or lack of it, it depends. Not everything is easily classifiable.
Jacobsen: It seems as if a tendency to only pursue friendships if they fell into your lap rather than heading out into the world to find them, consciously. So, why cut off social reality and from “reality often”?
Fiorani: Maybe I suffered more than I like to admit. Escapism is a response to a stimulus.
Jacobsen: What are you studying now?
Fiorani: Philosophy. I’m about to complete the full cycle of studies. I shall obtain my doctor’s degree within July 2021, I’m preparing my graduation thesis. I am a good student, being A+ my average grade at university. I’ve also obtained full marks with honors in high school, appearing in Albo Nazionale delle Eccellenze [National Excellence Honours Roll] as well.
Jacobsen: What comprises the “proper credentials for achieving something non-negligible” in work?
Fiorani: Master’s degree, for instance. Plus, right motivation and befitting forma mentis. I’ll reach a stability, I’m pretty confident about that.
Jacobsen: Do you have a life work, as in a pursuit or passion intended for life?
Fiorani: Certainly.
Jacobsen: Any regrets on the side of competitive aspect with addiction and competition as the mindset?
Fiorani: Yes, I do have regrets. Anancasm is not fine.
Jacobsen: How did this discovery and commentary by other people at 7-years-old change the orientation to education? As peers, based on prior commentary, they seemed a distant non-concern while in rapture with your own thoughts.
Fiorani: The orientation to education… I’ve progressively become aware of my talent in various fields, almost everything which involved theoretical conceptualizing and abstract reasoning – as for my manual dexterity, my skills were almost null then, and are very poor now. Also, my drawing ability is close to zero. It’s a soft sub-kind of dysgraphia – my handwriting, for example, is something horrible.
Back to the point, people considered me a brainiac but rarely in its pejorative meaning, I’ve never been a eager beaver vel similia, and, as for teaching programmes, nothing changed – giftedness is an almost ignored issue in Italy, which implies de facto not taking into account gifted children and possible specific educational programmes. But I wasn’t an underachiever, and I fought boredom in many ways – being also a precocious autodidact.
Jacobsen: What seem like the main reasons for the “society of exhibitionism,” of the creation of Homo vacuus, of ‘the society of spectacle’?
Fiorani: I cannot clarify with abundance of details. I may become encyclopedic, pedantic, verbose. I suggest to read works of Guy Debord, Zygmunt Bauman, Slavoj Žižek, Peter Sloterdijk.
Jacobsen: Looking at the examples, it raises some straightforward questions with Plato, Dante Alighieri, Leonardo da Vinci, Gottfried Leibniz, Werner Heisenberg, Jacques Lacan, and Kurt Gödel. What makes Plato a good example of a genius?
Fiorani: Plato has been the first pedagogue of the Western world. He was a formidable writer – his Dialogues are literary masterpieces –, his mind was vast. He conceived so many thoughts and ideas (cf. the famous quote of Alfred North Whitehead on Western philosophy: “a series of footnotes to Plato”, in Process and Reality). Philosophy was already alive and strong – Heraclitus, Parmenides –, but Plato let it shine and rise and expand, both following and overcoming his master Socrates. The latter is very present till the end, though. Not a coincidence that Leo Strauss spoke about zetetic skepticism describing the Socratic attitude of Plato: doubt and research as keystones.
Jacobsen: What makes Dante Alighieri a good example of a genius?
Fiorani: If one has familiarity with the Divine Comedy, it becomes truistic. His poetry is unmatched. Each single verse – of the 14233 of which his masterpiece consists – is not trivial nor easy. Consider as well how much theology was in his work. Dante was able to express things in a way that has never been equaled, I’d say. Take the following lines as a golden example:
«Fede è sustanza di cose sperate
e argomento de le non parventi,
e questa pare a me sua quiditate»
(Paradise, XXIV, 64-66)
faith is the substance of the things we hope for
and is the evidence of things not seen;
and this I take to be its quiddity
I consider the beauty and depth so amazing that I shall leave to the reader other remarks.
Jacobsen: What makes Leonardo da Vinci a good example of a genius?
Fiorani: He is the most classic and complete example of Homo universalis. He was impressively versatile, the novelty of his ideas is now well-known. His skills were various and immense and his contributions to mankind remarkable.
Jacobsen: What makes Gottfried Liebnitz a good example of a genius?
Fiorani: Another polymath… The mind of Leibniz is similar to The Library of Babel of Jorge Luis Borges. I’d say then, the total mind. High standing logician [cf. identity of indiscernibles, etc.], mathematician [cf. differential and integral calculus and refinement of binary system as notable examples], elegant and ingenious philosopher [cf. Monadology, etc.], prolific inventor [cf. stepped drum and other mechanical calculators]. Some of his intuitions were confirmed more than two centuries after his time. He wrote essays in six languages. His erudition too was something nearly unbelievable.
Jacobsen: What makes Werner Heisenberg a good example of a genius?
Fiorani: He won the Nobel prize in 1932 “for the creation of quantum mechanics”. He really has been a pioneer and key figure in physics. This (r)evolution hasn’t perhaps the same vastness of the ones by Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, but we’re not that far.
Jacobsen: What makes Jacques Lacan a good example of a genius?
Fiorani: Lacan just brought psychoanalysis to another level. He has been able to re-read and re-comprehend entirely Sigmund Freud, his mentor. His studies on the language are sublime. He reaches a rate of elaborateness so high that he is often considered obscure or even indecipherable. Difficulty is there, I mean, that’s unquestionable, but his complexity is also epiphany, brainwave and so on. He appears unintelligible, but as well he enlights us about so many phenomena, that I’m inclined to forgive his excess of sophistication.
Jacobsen: What makes Kurt Gödel a good example of a genius?
Fiorani: I believe that he’s the greatest logician ever lived. I’m not excluding Aristoteles and Gottlob Frege, nor Ludwig Wittgenstein, Alfred Tarski, Saul Kripke and Alan Turing, beware! Gödel’s incompleteness theorems represent a revolution tout court. How we view things – our approach to everything we know, for instance.
The famous Pontius Pilate’s question (cf. John 18:38), Τί ἐστιν ἀλήθεια; [Greek]/Quid est veritas? [Latin]/What is truth? becomes even more difficult or challenging and intriguing after Gödel.
Jacobsen: What are some exceptions to the principle of profound intelligence required for genius?
Fiorani: In some artistic fields it may happen that one brings a revolution (sort of), without being profoundly intelligent. So, at least to a certain extent this person is genius, in a way. To some degree, yes. Andy Warhol seems fitting.
Jacobsen: In a direct sense, you have spent a significant amount of time in intellectual and alternative test-taking pursuits. Why the obsessions with a reduction in the practical concerns for the manner of an ordinary life, e.g., work, love, friendship, and the like?
Fiorani: Assuming that I haven’t spent time for things like love and friendship, for example, is incorrect. I devoted time also to important things.
Jacobsen: What seem like the correct properties of God, “bidden or not bidden”?
Fiorani: The correct properties? Bonum-Verum-Unum-Pulchrum? Yes, I guess so…
Jacobsen: How is science changing the views of consciousness, the soul, and human nature, even the nature of nature? How do these differ from the past philosophical arguments? How do these not differ from the past philosophical arguments?
Fiorani: Materialistic arguments are winning – in the field of philosophy of mind, which includes consciousness & soul. But that’s not a law, just a trend. Neurosciences are changing a bit how we view human nature, indeed. As for the nature of the nature, I guess that contemporary physics arrives. Quantum field theory, Unified field theories, Standard Model, Cosmology, Higgs boson: Wikipedia might help the reader here.
The other two questions require a very long diachronic analysis. Let’s just say I don’t reply ’cause I’m not able to.
Jacobsen: What are personal perspectives on consciousness and the soul?
Fiorani: A curious and thorough perspective about consciousness is described in: The Matrix (1999), directed by Lana Wachowski and Lilly Wachowski; and Memento (2000), directed by Cristopher Nolan. My ‘personal’ perspective is similar. About soul, I might quote The Seventh Seal (1957), directed by Ingmar Bergman; and Life of Pi (2012), directed by Ang Lee. Why do I cite movies? I don’t know, it has been genuine.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on freedom of the will and human nature?
Fiorani: The verdict of Mahābhārata is a thought of mine: “The knot of Destiny cannot be untied; nothing in this world is the result of our acts”. Please cf. also Dark, the famous German TV series, which debuted in 2017. The ambition and complexity of its narrative deserves our praise. My hasty prose does not deserve praise, instead. Speech is silver, silence is golden – never mind.
Jacobsen: Those test constructors: Theodosis Prousalis, Xavier Jouve, Ron Hoeflin, Jonathan Wai, James Dorsey, Iakovos Koukas, Nick Soulios; they are well-known within the high-range testing community. Whose tests seem the most g-loaded tests, whether numerically, spatially, or verbally, or some admixture of them?
Fiorani: It depends. The (good) verbal ones might be the most g-loaded.
Jacobsen: Why Kantianism as the ethical philosophy?
Fiorani: Because there is less heteronomy but not less universality.
Jacobsen: Why Rousseauism as the social philosophy?
Fiorani: His Discourse on Inequality and The Social Contract are fascinating. You need to understand the impact of civil society on people – and nature of people – in order to overcome social injustices. Otherwise you won’t go anywhere. I don’t concur with everything he said, for example about private property as original source of all inequality, but I like his method – Rousseau has been a pioneer too.
Jacobsen: Why economic liberalism as the operating system for an economy?
Fiorani: Because that system is the one that, in Wirklichkeit, in factual reality, works the most. In concreto. There are better systems in abstracto, i.e. ideally. But history proves that they don’t work with a similar efficiency for a relevant amount of time.
Jacobsen: What parts of Rawlsian ethics most definitively sets forth an ethical vision of a political system?
Fiorani: Advantaging the underprivileged is one of the main ideas of Rawls. That’s the most important point. How he applies this principle is explained updating some instances of Kantian philosophy. He also uses a variant of the social contract theory (a reinterpretation of Jusnaturalism).
Jacobsen: Why does Spinozan metaphysics (philosophy) as demarcated by Hegel help thinking about things outside of the physical?
Fiorani: There’s a third level of knowledge, the first being by perception and the second by reason. The third kind is amor Dei intellectualis – you may call it intuitive. The second kind of knowledge is OK for the physical, but it’s not enough. To comprehend reality in all its aspects, metaphysics is necessary, thus the third level of knowledge. Spinoza describes these things in the most solid philosophical system I know. That’s all.
Jacobsen: Why does Nietzscheanism provide a comprehensive system of thinking for you?
Fiorani: Thus Spoke Zarathustra… Almost everything is there. A Book for All and None. Explanation concluded.
Jacobsen: Why reject solipsism as in the intersubjectivity of meaning?
Fiorani: Human being is φύσει πολιτικὸν ζῷον (by nature, social animal) and our mind is, Bereshit, in principle/in beginning, relational. Solipsism is wrong, sic et simpliciter.
Jacobsen: With meaning externally and internally derived synchronously, what does this state about a universe or an area in the universe without conscious agents, operators?
Fiorani: There is an universe/area if there are conscious agents.
Jacobsen: With the “ineffable sacred mystery” of the numinosum, what does this mean for the process of discovery of science and the human activity of organizing the findings into theoretical constructs, organizing principles?
Fiorani: Nothing. That process – consisting of: discovery, theoretical constructs, organizing them, etc. – continues and works.
Jacobsen: As love is the “most marvelous sentiment that we have,” what is a life without love?
Fiorani: Life without love would be an error.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] First Member, RealIQ Society
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 15, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-2; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Luca Fiorani on the Partigiani, Virtues, Love, Meaning, Philosophers and Geniuses of Note, and Consciousness and the Soul: First Member, RealIQ Society (2)[Online]. February 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, February 15). Conversation with Luca Fiorani on the Partigiani, Virtues, Love, Meaning, Philosophers and Geniuses of Note, and Consciousness and the Soul: First Member, RealIQ Society (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Luca Fiorani on the Partigiani, Virtues, Love, Meaning, Philosophers and Geniuses of Note, and Consciousness and the Soul: First Member, RealIQ Society (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, February. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Luca Fiorani on the Partigiani, Virtues, Love, Meaning, Philosophers and Geniuses of Note, and Consciousness and the Soul: First Member, RealIQ Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Luca Fiorani on the Partigiani, Virtues, Love, Meaning, Philosophers and Geniuses of Note, and Consciousness and the Soul: First Member, RealIQ Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (February 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Luca Fiorani on the Partigiani, Virtues, Love, Meaning, Philosophers and Geniuses of Note, and Consciousness and the Soul: First Member, RealIQ Society (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Luca Fiorani on the Partigiani, Virtues, Love, Meaning, Philosophers and Geniuses of Note, and Consciousness and the Soul: First Member, RealIQ Society (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Luca Fiorani on the Partigiani, Virtues, Love, Meaning, Philosophers and Geniuses of Note, and Consciousness and the Soul: First Member, RealIQ Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): February. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-2>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Luca Fiorani on the Partigiani, Virtues, Love, Meaning, Philosophers and Geniuses of Note, and Consciousness and the Soul: First Member, RealIQ Society (2)[Internet]. (2021, February 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: February 15, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,233
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Entemake Aman ( 阿曼 ) claims an IQ of 180 (SD15) with membership in OlympIQ. With this, he claims one to be of the people with highest IQ in the world. He was born in Xinjiang, China. He believes IQ is innate and genius refers to people with IQ above 160 (SD15). Einstein’s IQ is estimated at 160. Aman thinks genius needs to be cultivated from an early age, and that he needs to make achievements in the fields he is interested in, such as physics, mathematics, computer and philosophy, and should work hard to give full play to his talent. He discusses: growing up; a sense of an extended self; the family background; the experience with peers; some professional certifications; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence discovered; the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence necessary for genius; some work experiences and jobs held; particular job path; the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; the God concept or gods idea; science play into the worldview; some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; ethical philosophy; social philosophy; economic philosophy; political philosophy; metaphysics; worldview-encompassing philosophical system; meaning in life; meaning; an afterlife; the mystery and transience of life; love; some ordinary aspects of the “very ordinary family”; being a Kazakh living in Xinjiang, China; the ability to speak three languages; introversion common among the gifted; challenge the world master in memory; the goal for the next 5 years; Grade 6; Newton among all geniuses; imagination and creativity necessary for genius; pursuing “physics, mathematics and computer fields”; the non-use of an “IQ of 180 (SD = 15)” considered a “waste”; scientific knowledge; only believing in science; Leo Strauss’s economic philosophy; the Western philosophical system over the Eastern; an afterlife as impossible; and being in love with appearance, outlook, and character.
Keywords: Entemake Aman, intelligence, IQ, OlympIQ Society.
Conversation with Entemake Aman (阿曼) on Family, History, Education, Intelligence, and Dreams: Member, OlympIQ Society (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Entemake Aman (阿曼)[1],[2]*: I don’t have a famous family story. I live in a very ordinary family.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Aman: There is no story.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Aman: I am more introverted, and get along with peers in general, not many friends.
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and trainings earned by you?
Aman: I’m trying to challenge the memory of the world Master, and I can get it in the next five years.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Aman: I want to prove that I have an IQ above 180 (SD = 15). I like to use my brain.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Aman: Grade 6 (11 years old)
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Aman: The reason for ridiculing genius is that most ordinary people can’t understand the idea of high intelligence. Most geniuses are introverted and lonely. The reason for worshiping genius is that their learning ability and creative ability are amazing, and they will make achievements in a certain field for many days.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Aman: Newton.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Aman: The intelligence quotient of smart people is between 120 and 150, and the intelligence quotient of genius is above 160. They all have excellent learning ability (especially in the fields of mathematics, physics and computer). Genius has more excellent imagination and creativity.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Aman: Need.
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Aman: Because I have an IQ of 180 (SD = 15), I don’t want to waste my talent and make achievements in physics, mathematics and computer.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Aman: Talent can refer to music, memory, sports and so on. Genius means having excellent intelligence.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Aman: These myths include Adam and Eve, the struggle between Greek mythology and the God of heaven, Pangu’s creation of man by Nuwa. Scientific knowledge dispels them. Philosophy is the study of the relationship between thought, behavior and social activities. Like philosophy, religious science is independent of theology, but it is one of the important auxiliary Sciences of theology. On the one hand, philosophy once had a great influence on theology; God and human beings have all kinds of shortcomings, and God is stronger than human beings, and this power is mainly in strength.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Aman: I love science. I only believe in science
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Aman: I think my IQ is between 180 and 185 (SD = 15), and I will prove it in the future.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Aman: Gilbert’s Law: the signal of a job crisis is that no one talks to you about danger.
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Aman: Fresno theorem: people have two ears but only one mouth, which means that people should listen more and speak less. The purpose of foreknowledge is to know.
Jacobsen: What economic philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Aman: Leo Strauss’s economic philosophy is meaningful to me.
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Aman: Practice is the source of knowledge.
Jacobsen: What metaphysics makes some sense to you, even the most workable sense to you?
Aman: Causality, is there causality in everything? Is it because it has decided the outcome?
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Aman: Western philosophy system.
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Aman: Think and be happy.
Jacobsen: Is meaning externally derived, internally generated, both, or something else?
Aman: Internally generated.
Jacobsen: Do you believe in an afterlife? If so, why, and what form? If not, why not?
Aman: I don’t believe in afterlife because I believe in science.
Jacobsen: What do you make of the mystery and transience of life?
Aman: Life is short, so we should constantly strive for self-improvement and lifelong learning. Life is mysterious, so we should believe in science and explore hard.
Jacobsen: What is love to you?
Aman: Love is selfless to me. I will fall in love with someone because of one’s appearance, three outlooks and character.
Jacobsen: What is it like being a Kazakh living in Xinjiang, China?
Aman: I feel very good.
Jacobsen: Does the ability to speak three languages help personal and professional life for you?
Aman: I am learning English.
Jacobsen: Is introversion common among the gifted?
Aman: Common.
Jacobsen: Why decide to challenge the world master in memory?
Aman: Because it’s a brain field, it’s cool.
Jacobsen: What happened in Grade 6 (11-years-old) with the discovery?
Aman: I like to use my brain.
Jacobsen: Why Newton among all geniuses?
Aman: Because Newton’s contribution is great, his IQ is more than 190.
Jacobsen: Why are imagination and creativity necessary for genius?
Aman: Excellent imagination and creativity are the foundation of inspiration. Mozart, Shakespeare are geniuses.
Jacobsen: Why do you want to pursue “physics, mathematics and computer fields”?
Aman: Because physics, mathematics and computer need to use their brains more.
Jacobsen: Why is the non-use of an “IQ of 180 (SD = 15)” considered a “waste”? Are gifted people obliged to use their talents for mankind? In short, are they supposed to use them?
Aman: We should make full use of our intelligence to achieve something in a certain field.
Jacobsen: With scientific knowledge dispelling these myths of “Adam and Eve, the struggle between Greek mythology and the God of heaven, Pangu’s creation of man by Nuwa,” and so on, what does this mean for the world’s supernatural philosophies and dominant religions?
Aman: I only believe in the truth.
Jacobsen: Why do you “only believe in science”?
Aman: Because science is rigorous.
Jacobsen: What makes Leo Strauss’s economic philosophy meaningful to you?
Aman: Some of his famous sayings, you can Google.
Jacobsen: Why choose the Western philosophical system over the Eastern?
Aman: No answer.
Jacobsen: What makes an afterlife impossible as ‘you believe in science’?
Aman: I believe in science.
Jacobsen: What is important in love with appearance, outlook, and character?
Aman: Beautiful appearance and good character made me fall in love at first sight.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, OlympIQ Society; Member, Mensa International.

[2] Individual Publication Date: February 15, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/aman-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Entemake Aman (阿曼) on Family, History, Education, Intelligence, and Dreams: Member, OlympIQ Society (1)[Online]. February 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/aman-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, February 15). Conversation with Entemake Aman (阿曼) on Family, History, Education, Intelligence, and Dreams: Member, OlympIQ Society (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/aman-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Entemake Aman (阿曼) on Family, History, Education, Intelligence, and Dreams: Member, OlympIQ Society (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, February. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/aman-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Entemake Aman (阿曼) on Family, History, Education, Intelligence, and Dreams: Member, OlympIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/aman-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Entemake Aman (阿曼) on Family, History, Education, Intelligence, and Dreams: Member, OlympIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (February 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/aman-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Entemake Aman (阿曼) on Family, History, Education, Intelligence, and Dreams: Member, OlympIQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/aman-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Entemake Aman (阿曼) on Family, History, Education, Intelligence, and Dreams: Member, OlympIQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/aman-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Entemake Aman (阿曼) on Family, History, Education, Intelligence, and Dreams: Member, OlympIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): February. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/aman-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Entemake Aman (阿曼) on Family, History, Education, Intelligence, and Dreams: Member, OlympIQ Society (1)[Internet]. (2021, February 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/aman-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: February 15, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,152
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Masaaki Yamauchi is the Administrator of ESOTERIQ Society. He discusses: other meanings or hidden properties of the title; the ESOTERIQ Society connected with the World Intelligence Network; the World Intelligence Network; ESOTERIQ membership; the Giga Society of Paul Cooijmans; the OLYMPIQ Society (member or subscriber) and the World Genius Directory (member) as a requirement for membership; WAIS-Ⅳ and Stanford-Binet-Ⅴ rejected as membership qualifiers; membership free in ESOTERIQ Society; current members of the ESOTERIQ Society; the oldest member and the youngest member; the norms to the tests; and verifying the scores.
Keywords: administrator, admissions, background, ESOTERIQ, intelligence, IQ, Japanese, JAPANIQ Society, Masaaki Yamauchi.
Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Esoteric, ESOTERIQ Society, JAPANIQ Society, OlympIQ Society, and Standards of Admission: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: You created the ESOTERIQ Society/Esoteriq/ESOTERIQ with “esoteric” in the implied meaning of the title with “ESOTER” containing the number of sigmas related to the number of letters above the mean for the qualification of membership in the society, which means approximately “1/1,000,000,000” people or 1 out of 1,009,976,678. Are there any other meanings or hidden properties of the title unstated so far?
Masaaki Yamauchi[1],[2]*: None. Origin of almost English words comes from Latin or Greek. Esoteric has its roots in a Greek word “ἐσωτερικός”.
Jacobsen: How has the ESOTERIQ Society connected with the World Intelligence Network founded by Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis on January 1, 2001, as a “regeneration of the High IQ Community applied mainly on an internet basis with more interactive, meaningful and productive functions”?
Yamauchi: To tell the truth, I founded the JAPANIQ society for only Japanese high IQ people as the 22nd WIN society, but one unexpected trouble occurred between the last member and me. Therefore, I had to make the society be defunct.
That was a private issue, so no further information would be opened. After that, the ESOTERIQ was created instead of the society.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the World Intelligence Network?
Yamauchi: Greatest project from bottom of my heart.
This is one of my reasons to live in this life.
I will never leave the WIN by the end of my life.
Jacobsen: ESOTERIQ membership is separated into Giga Society members and non-Giga Society members. Why?
Yamauchi: The Giga society has a reliable strict policy as a 6SD IQ society, so I automatically accept a member from the society..
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the Giga Society of Paul Cooijmans?
Yamauchi: I really look up to him as a test creator and society administrator. My Esoteriq purpose should be to build a high authority next to the Giga society.
Jacobsen: Why focus on the OLYMPIQ Society (member or subscriber) and the World Genius Directory (member) as a requirement for membership in the ESOTERIQ Society, where some can be considered outside of these on a case by case basis?
Yamauchi: Standardized level, reliability and validity are highly variant at each test. I have no idea that which tests should I accept as the membership because I am ignorant of psychometrics and tests creating process. It may sometimes cause losing the authority of the society. Hence, I almost depend on Paul, Dr.Katsioulis and Dr.Jason respectively to reduce my misjudgement risk. I can approve a candidate after each administrator accepts the one to each society. This is simple.
I can avoid the membership trouble. “on a case by case basis” would be applied to a non- belong candidate to the Giga, Olympiq and WGD due to a specific personal reason, but holds a credible score.
Jacobsen: Why are WAIS-Ⅳ and Stanford-Binet-Ⅴ rejected as membership qualifiers for ESOTERIQ Society? Was this an issue in the past with extrapolated norms submissions from actual members or prospective members?
Yamauchi: Sorry, it was occurred by my own ignorance.
I have no purpose to be opened further information.
Such tests like WAIS and SB can indicate a positive correlation with high range IQ tests, but have different concepts, not suitable to sustain my society authority in my decision.
Exceptionally, I admit SB to only the 6th member, Dr. Christopher Harding who can be kept a membership of the Esoteriq society because he was officially recorded as “the smartest man in the world” on the Guinness World Record a long time ago.
Jacobsen: Why is membership free in ESOTERIQ Society?
Yamauchi: The ESOTERIQ is just my own collection, not for my monetary business.
Jacobsen: The current members of the ESOTERIQ Society includes the following 15 people: Evangelos Katsioulis, Kenneth Ferrell, Mislav Predavec, Richard Rosner, Dany Provost, Christopher Harding, Junxie Huang, Jose Molinero, Wen Chin Sui, Marios Prodromou, Dong Khac Cuong, Matthew Scillitani, Thansie Yu, Heinrich Siemens, and Yukun Wang. The web page on the members of ESOTERIQ Society list the following members in the society:
Since 01/01/2001 ESOTERIQ society accepted 15 members : The qualified IQ score (SD16), the test name, the test author and the taken year must be reported next to each member`s name as an undoubted evidence for the membership credential.
- Evangelos Katsioulis (Greece) : 197 (raw 100/100)on QMC#3 by Paul Cooijmans in 2003
- Kenneth Ferrell (U.S.A) : 196 (raw 32/32)on HIEROGLYPHICA by Mislav Predavec in 2010
- Mislav Predavec (Croatia) : 198 (raw 19/24)on LS24 by Robert Lato in 2010
- Richard Rosner (U.S.A) : 198 (raw 13/16) onMATHEMA by Dr. Jason Betts in 2012
- Dany Provost(Canada) : 196 (raw 46/46) on PIGS-1° by Paul Cooijmans in 2004
- Christopher Harding(Australia) : 197 on SBIS-Oxford-Analysis-New-Zealand in 1976
- Junxie Huang (China) : 196 (raw 37/40)on CHALLENGER IQ TEST by Zoran Bijac in 2019
- Jose Molinero(Spain) : 196 (raw 15/15) on FREE FALL PART-Ⅱ by Ivan Ivec in 2017
- Wen Chin Sui(China) : 196 (raw 36/36) on NUMERUS CLASSIC by Ivan Ivec in 2017
- Marios Prodromou(Cyprus) : 196 (raw 30/30) on MACH by Nickolas Soulios in 2018
- Dong Khac Cuong(Vietnam) : 196 (raw 29/30) on NUMERUS by Ivan Ivec in 2019
- Matthew Scillitani(U.S.A) : 196 (raw 80/80) on PM-QROSSWORDS by Paul Cooijmans in 2019
- Thansie Yu (China): 196 (raw 48/48) on N-WORLD by Mahir Wu in 2020
- Heinrich Siemens(Germany) : 201 (raw 28/40) on CIT-5 by Paul Cooijmans in 2020
- Yukun Wang(China) : 201 (raw 0.9/1.0) on RIDDLES by Konstantinos Ntalachanis in 2020
Any comments on each particular member of the society, whether the individual, the age, the test, the test score, the test creator, professional accomplishments, and so on?
Yamauchi: None. I do not care each member`s background.
Just I approve of anybody who archived the qualified score.
Jacobsen: Who is the oldest member? Who is the youngest member?
Yamauchi: I do not care about each age.
Jacobsen: Does the ESOTERIQ Society membership listing change the scores with the changes in the norms to the tests?
Yamauchi: Any membership would be not cancelled after an updated norm report becomes lower than before. However, if an updated norm report becomes higher than before, the new norms would be valid for the membership. For example, a member holding IQ190 on the 1st norm and IQ185 on the 2nd norm at the same raw score can keep the Esoteriq membership. No matter what updated norm report becomes lower than before, it does not affect the continuation of the membership. On the contrary, an individual holding IQ185 on the 1st norm and IQ190 on the 2nd norm or the future norm at the same raw score can join my society.
This rule must be a common principle in almost all high IQ societies as far as I know.
Jacobsen: How do you verify the scores?
Yamauchi: By a certificate candidates sent me.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 15, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-2; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Esoteric, ESOTERIQ Society, JAPANIQ Society, OlympIQ Society, and Standards of Admission: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (2)[Online]. February 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, February 15). Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Esoteric, ESOTERIQ Society, JAPANIQ Society, OlympIQ Society, and Standards of Admission: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Esoteric, ESOTERIQ Society, JAPANIQ Society, OlympIQ Society, and Standards of Admission: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, February. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Esoteric, ESOTERIQ Society, JAPANIQ Society, OlympIQ Society, and Standards of Admission: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Esoteric, ESOTERIQ Society, JAPANIQ Society, OlympIQ Society, and Standards of Admission: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (February 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Esoteric, ESOTERIQ Society, JAPANIQ Society, OlympIQ Society, and Standards of Admission: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Esoteric, ESOTERIQ Society, JAPANIQ Society, OlympIQ Society, and Standards of Admission: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Esoteric, ESOTERIQ Society, JAPANIQ Society, OlympIQ Society, and Standards of Admission: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): February. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-2>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Esoteric, ESOTERIQ Society, JAPANIQ Society, OlympIQ Society, and Standards of Admission: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (2) [Internet]. (2021, February 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.E, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: February 8, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,669
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dr. Herb Silverman is the Founder of the Secular Coalition for America, the Founder of the Secular Humanists of the Lowcountry, and the Founder of the Atheist/Humanist Alliance student group at the College of Charleston. He authored Complex variables (1975), Candidate Without a Prayer: An Autobiography of a Jewish Atheist in the Bible Belt (2012) and An Atheist Stranger in a Strange Religious Land: Selected Writings from the Bible Belt (2017). He co-authored The Fundamentals of Extremism: The Christian Right in America (2003) with Kimberley Blaker and Edward S. Buckner, Complex Variables with Applications (2007) with Saminathan Ponnusamy, and Short Reflections on Secularism (2019), Short Reflections on American Secularism’s History and Philosophy (2020), and Short Reflections on Age and Youth (2020). He discusses: the development of empirical philosophies; a larger contingent of secular voices; post-WWII ideological reflections; the Amsterdam Declaration (1952); and democracy, creative uses of science and not destructive uses of science, Humanism as ethics, personal liberty above tied to social responsibility, and cultivating ethical and creative living.
Keywords: Herb Silverman, Free of Charge, freethought, Humanism, religious fundamentalism, state totalitarianism.
Free of Charge 6 – “Amsterdam Declaration” (1952), Unifying the Front, Religious Fundamentalism, and State Totalitarianism
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: The Amsterdam Declaration (1952) was another huge stepping stone in the development of Humanism within the earlier discourse of modern secular freethought. Before asking those main questions, I had a side question important to this educational series, actually two. You seem like a great person to ask these questions because of the longevity of leadership in the movement and the efforts at collaboration and unification of efforts through the Secular Coalition for America. First, how much does the development of empirical philosophies create a basis for modern formulations of Humanism, instead of a straightforward focus on eudaimonia, the humanities, moral education, and the like? I understand Andrew Copson, Chief Executive of Humanists UK and the President of Humanists International, has spoken on the spotted nature of Humanism in the historical record akin to the manner in which Professor Noam Chomsky speaks of Anarchism as a philosophical trend in the history of human thought and action. As in, no one owns them, as they, Humanism or Anarchism, amount to facets of human nature (to one degree or another) and, therefore, express themselves without regard to the culture or the geography, merely transforming superficially while manifesting the same fundaments.
Dr. Herb Silverman[1],[2]: As I understand the question, you are asking if I more favour empiricism or eudaimonia when it comes to Humanism. To answer, I’ll first define the terms as I understand them.
Empiricism is a theory that knowledge comes only or primarily from sensory experience. Empiricism is a fundamental part of the scientific method, which requires that all hypotheses and theories must be tested against observations of the natural world, rather than resting on intuition or revelation.
Eudaimonia describes virtuous activity in accordance with reason, which gives us happiness and pleasure. To illustrate, if you’re a doctor, you should excel at healing people; if you’re a philosopher, you should excel at gaining knowledge and wisdom. Of course, each person plays many roles in life, and by excelling in all of them one achieves eudaimonia.
As to whether I favor empiricism or eudaimonia, I can say confidently—that depends. If I want to look at scientific questions, empiricism is the way to go. But I don’t think everything should be viewed through a scientific lens. Aesthetics, without science, makes sense to me. Different people can find different pleasures using only reason. For instance, not everyone might think like I do that my wife, Sharon, is the most wonderful person in the world.
Of course there are times that empiricism and eudaimonia work in combination. To illustrate, empiricism is used to help find a vaccine for Covid-19. Then an individual can make a rational choice to take the vaccine to safeguard his or her health, and this expresses eudaimonia.
Jacobsen: Second, I have worked to bring together some of the voices in Canadian Humanism in one voice with some group discussions, so to speak, e.g., “Humanism in Canada: Personal, Professional, and Institutional Histories (Part One)”[3]. The series incorporated the leadership voices of most of the secular organizations in Canada, i.e., at the time: Cameron Dunkin as the Acting CEO of Dying With Dignity Canada, Dr. Gus Lyn-Piluso as the President of Center for Inquiry-Canada, Doug Thomas as the President of Secular Connexion Séculière, Greg Oliver as the President of Canadian Secular Alliance, Michel Virard as the President of Association humaniste du Québec, Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson as the Vice-President of Humanist Canada, and Seanna Watson as the Vice-President of Center for Inquiry-Canada. As far as I am informed on the issue, that’s a first. I have been interviewing a large contingent of the ex-Muslim community. In the midst of them, in March of 2019, something occurred to me. So, I decided to write down the idea succinctly for an article for News Intervention. I made a proposal in “An Immodest Proposal: International Coalition of Ex-Muslims (ICEM)”[4]. I was informed by a British colleague the International Coalition of Ex-Muslims[5] was formed in early 2020, about a year after the proposal. It’s hard to track the history of these things because it can be a bubbling in communities of the same ideas and then the formulation of them into a convergent creation of an organization. Also, a single proposal can be the source of the formation of these things. Nonetheless, they’re there, present, and active. Why was the Secular Coalition for America a necessity to bring together a larger contingent of secular voices?
Silverman: Scott, I’m so pleased that you are working to bring the voices in Canadian Humanism together. However, I doubt that you can get them to speak with just one voice, except on selected topics. Humanists speak with many voices and have a lot of opinions on countless topics. That’s one way humanists are different from some religious cults.
I do think most humanists would agree that humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment for the greater good of humanity. Humanism also promotes democracy, civil liberties, human freedoms, separation of religion and government, and elimination of discrimination based on race, religion, sex, age, or national origin. Humanists respect the scientific method and recognize that we are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change, and that ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience.
You asked about the importance of bringing a large contingent of voices together within the Secular Coalition for America. In 2002, I helped form the Secular Coalition for America, whose mission is to increase the visibility of and respect for nontheistic viewpoints, and to protect and strengthen the secular character of our government.
Our 19 national member organizations cover the full spectrum of freethought. Members don’t argue about labels. People in the Coalition call themselves atheists, agnostics, humanists, freethinkers, whatever. They cooperate on the 95% they have in common, rather than bicker about the 5% that might set them apart. Interestingly, four of the member organizations are classified as religious (nontheistic). They are the American Ethical Union (with Ethical Culture Societies), Congress of Secular Jewish Organizations, Society for Humanistic Judaism (with atheist rabbis), and UU (Unitarian Universalists) Humanists.
All the Secular Coalition member organizations have strict limits on political lobbying, so the Secular Coalition incorporated as a political advocacy group to allow unlimited lobbying on behalf of freethought Americans. The Secular Coalition also collaborates with organizations that are neither theistic nor nontheistic, like the American Civil Liberties Union, and Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. It cooperates on some issues with theistic organizations, like the Interfaith Alliance, the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty, and Catholics for Choice. Working with diverse groups provides the additional benefit of gaining more visibility and respect for our unique perspective. Improving the public perception of freethinkers is as important to many of us as pursuing a particular political agenda.
Jacobsen: To the first Amsterdam Declaration (1952)[6], it opens starkly on “an alternative to the religions which claim to be based on revelation on the one hand, and totalitarian systems on the other.” What made these post-WWII ideological reflections important on secular fundamentalism in totalitarianism and in religious revelatory fundamentalism? Something of a third alternative to the loggerheads of the aforementioned.
Silverman: We have to remember that this 1952 document was written during the Cold War, and represents an alternative to both religions based on revelation and totalitarian regimes like the atheistic Soviet Union. Not that there is anything wrong with atheism, but it should not be government-sponsored or imposed. The document promotes ethics and the right of the individual to the greatest possible freedom of development compatible with the rights of others. Such a third way opposes religious indoctrination and totalitarian regimes. It advocates the creative use of science with humanistic principles.
Jacobsen: The framers of the Amsterdam Declaration (1952) did not view Humanism as a sect, but as an eventuation of long traditions of thinkers leading to the scientific revolutions of the time. They continued, “Ethical humanism unites all those who cannot any longer believe the various creeds and are willing to base their conviction on respect for man as a spiritual and moral being.”[7] How does this point connect to the previous response about science, in a 20th-century understanding and development, relate to this mid-20th century stipulation?
Silverman: I think we all agree that science should play an important role in the life of an ethical humanist. Sometimes, though, there is a question about where ethics come into science. One example is the use of nuclear power, which generates about a fifth of our nation’s energy supply. Nuclear energy reduces greenhouse gas emissions and produces far less waste than conventional energy. On the other hand, nuclear fuel and waste are highly radioactive, which can pose many threats to public health and the environment. I favour the use of nuclear power, though I know many humanists who don’t. I don’t think scientific research should be restricted, even though certain findings might eventually cause harm. It is up to those in the field to discuss and help us decide how we can use science for good, which is not always easy.
Also, I don’t like some of the terminology used in 1952, for example, respect for “man,” rather than for “people.” And there is confusion when we call ourselves “spiritual.” I understand that some humanists define the word “spiritual” in ways that make them comfortable, but I leave that word to religious people believing in “spirits” who inhabit an unseen spiritual world.
Jacobsen: The five principles mentioned democracy, creative uses of science and not destructive uses of science, Humanism as ethics, personal liberty above tied to social responsibility, and cultivating ethical and creative living.[6] These seem, at a minimum, in part or on the whole, 69 years ahead of their time and more needed than ever. Now, we may have mentioned this before with the statements on Ethical Humanism as a faith, etc. The ways in which this was removed in later formulations of the various declarations of humanists with the most recent moving as far as a rejection of supernatural. In fact, I would extend the previous opinion. These are still far ahead of their time in the reach and implications. The ideals of the Rennaissance permitted to a small coterie of individuals could become something to relish for a not-insignificant minority of people. So, more to the point, if you reflect on these five principles, what are some cases in the end of the Trump-Pence Administration and the transition into the Biden-Harris Administration showing the greater necessity of humanist values, simply as formulated in 1952?
Silverman: I agree with eliminating the word “faith” from the definition of ethical humanism. I must confess, though, that I once had a bumper sticker that said, “I have faith in reason.” There is no question that the Biden-Harris Administration is a giant leap forward in support of these humanist values. Democracy took a hit under President Trump when he failed to concede after he lost a fair election, and encouraged his supporters to riot. Trump also supported some undemocratic and authoritarian regimes, including Russia, Saudi Arabia, and North Korea. Trump’s actions have emboldened other countries, including Myanmar, China, Rwanda, Iran, and Turkey to violently silence campaigns, causing global democracy to backslide.
President Biden, in his short time in office, has reversed many of Trump’s executive orders, which includes recommitting to the US Paris Climate Accord, rejoining the World Health Organization, and promoting racial equality in health care and other areas. Biden also signed orders to halt construction of Trump’s US-Mexico border wall, reverse Trump’s environmental deregulation, affirm the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival Program (DACA) that protects from deportation people brought illegally to the US as children, and create a task force to reunite migrant families separated at the border. Biden reversed Trump’s 2017 travel ban that targeted primarily Muslim countries. Biden repealed a ban on transgender people serving openly in the military and he expanded protection of LGBTQ people around the world by revamping the offices at the State Department and the US Agency for International Development (USAID), which supports LGBTQ rights. He also re-established the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology and directed agencies to make decisions on the best available scientific evidence.
These actions of the Biden-Harris administration are consistent with the 1952 principles of ethical humanism. Though President Biden is a religious Catholic, he tries to separate religion from government. I hope he includes secular voices when he does interfaith outreach. Biden’s Catholicism seems to be grounded in social justice, rather than exclusively in church doctrine, which is why he has been criticized by conservative Catholics for some of his positions, like a woman’s right to choose.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Dr. Silverman, we will cover the 2002 version of the Amsterdam Declaration in the next session.
Silverman: Thank you.
References
Humanists International. (1952). Amsterdam Declaration 1952. Retrieved from https://humanists.international/policy/amsterdam-declaration-1952/.
Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain. (2021). International Coalition of Ex-Muslims. Retrieved from https://www.ex-muslim.org.uk/intl-coalition.
Jacobsen, S.D. (2019, March 26). An Immodest Proposal: International Coalition of Ex-Muslims (ICEM). Retrieved from https://www.newsintervention.com/immodest-jacobsen/.
Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, January 1). Humanism in Canada: Personal, Professional, and Institutional Histories (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/humanism-one.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Secular Coalition for America; Founder, Secular Humanists of the Low Country; Founder, Atheist/Humanist Alliance, College of Charleston.
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 8, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-6; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
[3] Jacobsen (2020).
[4] Jacobsen (2019).
[5] Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain (2021).
[6] Humanists International (1952).
[7] Ibid.
[8] “Amsterdam Declaration 1952” states:
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- It is democratic. It aims at the fullest possible development of every human being. It holds that this is a matter of right. The democratic principle can be applied to all human relationships and is not restricted to methods of government.
- It seeks to use science creatively, not destructively. It advocates a world-wide application of scientific method to problems of human welfare. Humanists believe that the tremendous problems with which mankind is faced in this age of transition can be solved. Science gives the means but science itself does not propose the ends.
- Humanism is ethical. It affirms the dignity of man and the right of the individual to the greatest possible freedom of development compatible with the right of others. There is a danger in seeking to utilise scientific knowledge in a complex society individual freedom may be threatened by the very impersonal machine that has been created to save it. Ethical humanism, therefore, rejects totalitarian attempts to perfect the machine in order to obtain immediate gains at the cost of human values.
- It insists that personal liberty is an end that must be combined with social responsibility in order that it shall not be sacrificed to the improvement of material conditions. Without intellectual liberty, fundamental research, on which progress must in the long run depend, would not be possible. Humanism ventures to build a world on the free person responsible to society. On behalf of individual freedom humanism is un-dogmatic, imposing no creed upon its adherents. It is thus committed to education free from indoctrination.
- It is a way of life, aiming at the maximum possible fulfilment, through the cultivation of ethical and creative living. It can be a way of life for everyone everywhere if the individual is capable of the responses required by the changing social order. The primary task of humanism today it to make men aware in the simplest terms of what it can mean to them and what it commits them to. By utilising in this context and for purposes of peace the new power which science has given us, humanists have confidence that the present crisis can be surmounted. Liberated from fear the energies of man will be available for a self-realisation to which it is impossible to foresee the limit.
Ethical humanism is thus a faith that answers the challenge of our times. We call upon all men who share this conviction to associate themselves with us in this cause.
Humanists International (1952).
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Free of Charge 6 – “Amsterdam Declaration” (1952), Unifying the Front, Religious Fundamentalism, and State Totalitarianism [Online]. February 2021; 26(E). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-6.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, February 1). Free of Charge 6 – “Amsterdam Declaration” (1952), Unifying the Front, Religious Fundamentalism, and State Totalitarianism. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-6.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Free of Charge 6 – “Amsterdam Declaration” (1952), Unifying the Front, Religious Fundamentalism, and State Totalitarianism. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.E, February. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-6>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Free of Charge 6 – “Amsterdam Declaration” (1952), Unifying the Front, Religious Fundamentalism, and State Totalitarianism.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.E. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-6.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Free of Charge 6 – “Amsterdam Declaration” (1952), Unifying the Front, Religious Fundamentalism, and State Totalitarianism.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.E (February 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-6.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Free of Charge 6 – “Amsterdam Declaration” (1952), Unifying the Front, Religious Fundamentalism, and State Totalitarianism’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.E. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-6>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Free of Charge 6 – “Amsterdam Declaration” (1952), Unifying the Front, Religious Fundamentalism, and State Totalitarianism’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.E., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-6.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Free of Charge 6 – “Amsterdam Declaration” (1952), Unifying the Front, Religious Fundamentalism, and State Totalitarianism.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.E (2021): February. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-6>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Free of Charge 6 – “Amsterdam Declaration” (1952), Unifying the Front, Religious Fundamentalism, and State Totalitarianism [Internet]. (2021, February 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-6.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: February 1, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
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Words: 1,623
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Abstract
Dr. Katherine Bullock is a Lecturer in the Department of Political Science, University of Toronto Mississauga. Her teaching focus is political Islam from a global perspective, and her research focuses on Muslims in Canada, their history, contemporary lived experiences, political and civic engagement, debates on the veil, and media representations of Islam and Muslims. She was the editor of the American Journal of Islamic Social Sciences from 2003-2008, the Vice-President of The Association of Muslim Social Scientists (North America) from 2006-2009. Her publications include Muslim Women Activists in North America: Speaking for Ourselves and Rethinking Muslim Women and the Veil: Challenging Historical and Modern Stereotypes, which has been translated into Arabic, French and Turkish. She is also President of The Tessellate Institute, a non-profit research institute, and of Compass Books, dedicated to publishing top-quality books about Islam and Muslims in English. Originally from Australia, she lives in Oakville with her husband and children. She embraced Islam in 1994. She discusses: the external issues for the various Muslim communities in Canada; manifestations of hate groups; imaginary internal issues in Canadian Muslim communities reified into Muslim-wide; real internal issues in Canadian Muslim communities formulated as Muslim-wide; some external issues coming from secular groups against Canadian Muslims; some external issues coming from other religious groups against Canadian Muslims; external issues created through simply not asking spokespeople for different sects or traditions of Islam within Canada; some federal, provincial, and municipal issues for Canadian Muslims; some solutions to the enumerated external issues; and some solutions to the enumerated external issues.
Keywords: Canadian, Islam, Katherine Bullock, Muslims, University of Toronto at Mississauga.
Conversation with Dr. Katherine Bullock on Internal and External Issues Vis-à-Vis Religiosity and Secularity: Past Chair, Islamic Society of North America-Canada (ISNA-Canada); Lecturer, Political Science, University of Toronto at Mississauga (3)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Now, to the external issues for the various Muslim communities in Canada, what are the core issues externally, as in imposed from the outside making ordinary religious life more difficult as fellow Canadians?
Dr. Katherine Bullock[1],[2]: The most important external issue for the various Muslim communities in Canada is anti-Muslim racism, usually called “Islamophobia.” I personally prefer the term anti-Muslim racism because it locates the issue as hate and discrimination targeted towards Muslims, rather than a ‘phobia’ which locates the issue as an emotion in the perpetrator. Muslims are from many ethnic backgrounds but are homogenised and racialized as a group. Racism can be subtle -what are called ‘microagressions’- such as a nasty look, refusing to serve in a timely manner, refusing to greet; it can be subtle discrimination in the workplace, such as not hiring a woman in hijab or a man with the name Muhammad by saying there are no positions available, not renting an apartment and so on. Racism can be overt, such as getting spat on, yelled at, hijab pulled off, rammed with a car, graffiti on mosques, receiving hate emails or voicemails. Schools are challenged for allowing prayer on site. Quebec’s Bill C21 which bans public employees from wearing religious headgear is an example of institutionalised racism. Hate crime statistics show that Muslim women are disproportionately targeted.
Jacobsen: We can be explicit here. There has been a history of neo-Nazi and White Supremacism in Canada who adhere to a twisted formulation of European-Canadian ethnic identity, primarily, and, often, the Christian religion, secondarily. How are these groups, as manifestations of hate groups, making life as Muslims more difficult than necessary in Canadian society?
Bullock: It’s not just a simple matter of white/non-White, in Canada we have to note that Hindutva and Coptic groups are joining forces with white supremacist groups targeting Muslims. These groups threaten the personal safety of Muslims. They organise rallies and demonstrations preaching the exclusion of Muslims from public and private sectors; sometimes at these rallies they dress in army fatigues, sending a militarised message of hate; they send hate mails to Muslim leaders or online comments sections; some of them tragically assault, even murder, Muslims. The White Supremacists have an extremely narrow notion of what it means to be a “Canadian.” Trudeau has called Canada the first “post-national state,” meaning that it is a nation-state composed of citizens from many different ethnic groups. We must remember too how all of this settlement has displaced the Indigenous peoples of Turtle Island, but that is a different topic.
Jacobsen: How are particularized imaginary internal issues in Canadian Muslim communities reified into Muslim-wide, as in stereotyping, issues and used by misinformed, ignorant, or downright bad actors, to attack Canadian Muslims?
Bullock: The most important particularized imaginary internal issue that is reified into a stereotype is the notion that “Islam oppresses women.” This blanket assessment is then used to drive policy, both foreign and domestic – eg support for the war against the Taliban or the regional authoritarian rulers like Sisi in Egypt; or setting up a ‘barbaric cultural practices hotline’ or banning niqab at citizenship ceremonies. Quebec’s Bill C21, which has wide support across Canada (and in which the Federal government is complicit as it didn’t take action to prevent it, fearing the loss of votes in Quebec) is premised on the idea that the hijab/niqab represent the inequality of women, hence must be banned in Canada which is committed to gender equality.
Young women can be forced by both fathers and mothers, and some women forced by their husbands, to wear hijab, but Muslim women should be respected as equal citizens in Canada. Blanket stereotyping from the wider society that makes Muslim suffer racism and discrimination is oppressive too.
Jacobsen: How are specific real internal issues in Canadian Muslim communities formulated as Muslim-wide, as in stereotyping, issues and used by misinformed, ignorant, or downright bad actors, to attack Canadian Muslims?
Bullock: Muslim women can face misogynistic practices such as genital mutilation, honour killings, or being confined to the home. But these practices are specific to some families in some ethnic groups. They are not based in textual scriptural injunctions, rather in cultural customs. They are broadened into a stereotype and then used against all Muslims.
Non-Muslim Western women can face misogynistic practices too, such as the beauty myth that can lead to anorexia or dangerous cosmetic surgery, domestic violence, and jealousy killings. These customs are not broadened to all “Western culture” and all Westerners.
Jacobsen: What are some external issues coming from secular groups against Canadian Muslims, broadly speaking?
Bullock: Broadly speaking there are some secular groups including the “progressive/left side” of the political spectrum that believe in a very rigid separation of Church and State. They are opposed to Muslim religious practices, such as five daily prayers or the need for halal food, in public institutions, including schools and universities. They believe that Muslim women are oppressed and need saving or Westernising to be empowered and free. Quebec’s hijab ban is the most extreme example of this, as it bans state employees from wearing religious headgear. But there are other more subtle pressures. Political circles on both the right and left, though for different reasons, can have a negative or unwelcoming demeanour towards Muslims. (Some would say that the Left also has a negative attitude towards practicing peoples of all faiths.)
Jacobsen: What are some external issues coming from other religious groups against Canadian Muslims, broadly speaking?
Bullock: Although I am active in several different kinds of interfaith groups, from Protestant, Catholic, Evangelical, to Jewish, and am very grateful for the respect and recognition I receive as a fellow believer, there are religious groups who support an anti-Muslim agenda because they see Islam as a false and threatening religion. These groups support policies that limit Muslim engagement in the public space including racial profiling at airports and anti-veil policies.
Jacobsen: What are external issues created through simply not asking spokespeople for different sects or traditions of Islam within Canada about Muslim Canadian concerns on specific issues for their particular tradition?
Bullock: Since externally Muslims are not recognised as being organised into sects or different traditions, we are treated the same when it comes to the negative policies and discrimination I have mentioned. In fact, Hindu and Sikhs are often attacked because of the inability of the perpetrator to recognise the difference between a Muslim, Hindu or Sikh.
The most serious issue about not asking Muslims about their specific concerns is that the disproportionate media focus on terrorists who make religious references to justify their behaviours are assumed to be spokespersons for the rest of us.
I don’t think the various sects and traditions have different concerns that are created through not being asked. Irrespective of their sect, people want to be able to practice their version in peace, pass their faith along to their children and be employed and contributing citizens to Canada, just like peoples of other faiths and ethnic groups in Canada, including the White Nationalist Christians, who would like to be the only ones to exercise that ability.
Jacobsen: What are some federal, provincial, and municipal issues for Canadian Muslims, so policy, political statements, party platforms, and the like? Some of more clear; others are more amorphous.
Bullock: In general, Canadian Muslims have the same concerns as other Canadians, as established by the National Survey on Canadian Muslim opinion from Environics, especially related to the economy and their ability to find work. Now, of course, they are, like everyone else, dealing with the pandemic and lockdown and the personal and professional fallout from that. So, employment and healthcare, which are provincial. Municipal issues relate to discrimination from neighbours or being prevented from building a new house of worship, or graffiti and hate rallies. Ending police practices such as racial profiling, excessive force and killing innocent Muslims during an encounter with the police is high on the agenda of needed reforms.
For the Federal level, Canadian Muslims are deeply concerned that Canada help their brethren who are being slaughtered or squeezed to death, such as the Uighur in China; the Rohingya in Myanmar, the Kashmiris in India/Kashmir, the Palestinians in Israel/Palestine.
Jacobsen: What are some solutions to the enumerated external issues already being discussed and/or implemented now?
Bullock: The Black Lives Matter movement has put the spotlight on anti-racism. While most Muslims are not Black, and can unfortunately practice anti-black racism of their own, the anti-racist lens gives them the opportunity to spotlight anti-Muslim racism too. Ameliorating racism for one group can help improve the situation for other groups.
The Canadian discourse on multiculturalism/interculturalism, diversity, inclusion and reasonable accommodation are very precious and need to be not only protected from being whittled down but deepened.
In addition, the interfaith or multifaith movement is a very important part of addressing these solutions because it allows for empathic education creating deeper understanding for all peoples involved, including Muslims.
Jacobsen: What are some solutions to the enumerated external issues not already being discussed and/or implemented now?
Bullock: In general, extended relations between people can lead to better understanding. Even though we know that politics, hatred and disagreement is everywhere, including within single ethnic groups (Euro-Canadians are no different in this regard), the more that Canadian Muslims are part of the ordinary fabric of Canadian life, the better: political representation, CEOs, ordinary workers, homemakers, volunteers, students, sports and arts, and so on. Our habits and practices will become more known and recognisable; our strengths and foibles will make us just like other human beings – sometimes generous and noble, sometimes cantankerous and greedy.
Bullock would like to thank colleague Fayaz Karim for insightful comments on an earlier draft.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Past Chair, Islamic Society of North America-Canada (ISNA-Canada); Lecturer, Political Science, University of Toronto at Mississauga; Past President, Tesselate Institute; President, Compass Books.
[2] Individual Publication Date: February 1, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/bullock-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Dr. Katherine Bullock on Internal and External Issues Vis-à-Vis Religiosity and Secularity: Past Chair, Islamic Society of North America-Canada (ISNA-Canada); Lecturer, Political Science, University of Toronto at Mississauga (3) [Online]. February 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/bullock-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, February 1). Conversation with Dr. Katherine Bullock on Internal and External Issues Vis-à-Vis Religiosity and Secularity: Past Chair, Islamic Society of North America-Canada (ISNA-Canada); Lecturer, Political Science, University of Toronto at Mississauga (3) . Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/bullock-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Dr. Katherine Bullock on Internal and External Issues Vis-à-Vis Religiosity and Secularity: Past Chair, Islamic Society of North America-Canada (ISNA-Canada); Lecturer, Political Science, University of Toronto at Mississauga (3). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, February. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/bullock-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Dr. Katherine Bullock on Internal and External Issues Vis-à-Vis Religiosity and Secularity: Past Chair, Islamic Society of North America-Canada (ISNA-Canada); Lecturer, Political Science, University of Toronto at Mississauga (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/bullock-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Dr. Katherine Bullock on Internal and External Issues Vis-à-Vis Religiosity and Secularity: Past Chair, Islamic Society of North America-Canada (ISNA-Canada); Lecturer, Political Science, University of Toronto at Mississauga (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (February 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/bullock-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Dr. Katherine Bullock on Internal and External Issues Vis-à-Vis Religiosity and Secularity: Past Chair, Islamic Society of North America-Canada (ISNA-Canada); Lecturer, Political Science, University of Toronto at Mississauga (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/bullock-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Dr. Katherine Bullock on Internal and External Issues Vis-à-Vis Religiosity and Secularity: Past Chair, Islamic Society of North America-Canada (ISNA-Canada); Lecturer, Political Science, University of Toronto at Mississauga (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/bullock-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Dr. Katherine Bullock on Internal and External Issues Vis-à-Vis Religiosity and Secularity: Past Chair, Islamic Society of North America-Canada (ISNA-Canada); Lecturer, Political Science, University of Toronto at Mississauga (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): February. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/bullock-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Dr. Katherine Bullock on Internal and External Issues Vis-à-Vis Religiosity and Secularity: Past Chair, Islamic Society of North America-Canada (ISNA-Canada); Lecturer, Political Science, University of Toronto at Mississauga (3) [Internet]. (2021, February 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/bullock-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 22, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,682
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Jiwhan (Jason) Park is a Member of the CIVIQ Society. He was born on March 24, 1989, in Seoul, Korea. He attended Hongjae Elementary School in Seoul (March, 1996 to February, 2002), TEDA International School in Tianjin, China (January, 2002 to December, 2002), Tianjin International School in Tianjin, China (January, 2003 to June, 2007), Attended Kelley School of Business at Indiana University in Bloomington, USA (August, 2007 to August, 2011), served as an Interpreter Officer at Republic of Korea Army (April, 2012 to May, 2015), earned an MBA at Hong Kong University of Science and Technology (August, 2017 to August, 2018), and works as an Investment Manager at Multi Asset Global Investments (December, 2018 to Present). He is a member of ISI-S Society (151-Society) and the Order of Imhotep. He discusses: growing up; a sense of an extended self; the family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; wide-ranging reactions to geniuses; the greatest geniuses; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence necessary for genius; the gifted and geniuses; God; science; the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; ethical philosophy; social philosophy; economic philosophy; political philosophy; metaphysics; philosophical system; meaning in life; meaning; an afterlife; the mystery and transience of life; and love.
Keywords: atheist, Jason Park, Jiwhan Park, giftedness, genius, intelligence, South Korea.
Conversation with Jiwhan (Jason) Park on South Korean Education, Genius and the Gifted, and Philosophy: Member, CIVIQ Society (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Jiwhan (Jason) Park[1],[2]*: None. Besides, the stories may be lies that distort the truth.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Park: Not applicable.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Park: My father was a general manager at LG Chemical, a Fortune Global 500 company headquartered in South Korea. My mother served as a school nurse practitioner. Both are pure Koreans from Seoul dedicated to Presbyterianism.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Park: As a primary student in Korea, I simply served the peers’ instincts. They were quick to idolize the superiors and justify all the actions to protect their ideals. In fact, I was a superstar beyond the top of my class in every subject, which naturally made me class president multiple times. I was one of the top 100 elementary students in a nationwide English exam hosted by the Korea University at grade 2. I studied TOEFL and TEPS at grade 3 on my own. I scored the highest on school wide Math and Chinese exams with no effort at grade 4. Next year, I quit my service, only to realize that the efforts to please others served me no good. I found no purpose for making friends and getting good marks.
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and trainings earned by you?
Park: I majored in Finance and minored in Chinese during college. I recently completed my MBA with a concentration in Finance.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Park: Discover true IQ based on the most valid and reliable intelligence test for the Gifted (130+, SD 15). Mainstream tests (WAIS, Stanford Binet) fail to distinguish the mental abilities of the Gifted in different categories (I.e. 140s vs 170s), since they are made to identify and counsel the mentally challenged.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Park: I took the highest quality test made by Paul Cooijmans called “The Nemesis Test” and scored the highest among Asians in 2018 (Score: I.Q. 143, Range: Intelligent).
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Park: At high school in China, I was isolated by my classmates for being different. I often found interest in playing board games, entered the chess tournaments hosted by schools in China and won multiple times. Impressed by my credentials, the Deans at Johns Hopkins and other top schools offered me an automatic admission, given my timely approval followed by an application. Unsurprisingly, the fellow students vilified me for expressing an unofficial approval in the absence of any outstanding academic records. That a hard working transfer student from an elite Daewon Foreign Language High School barely made it into Berkeley, which placed at least 10 ranks below Johns Hopkins, seemed to justify their actions. I redeemed myself by officially rejecting the offers but instead graduated at Indiana University Bloomington with a fair amount of scholarship. I simply didn’t want to create conflicts with others around me.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Park: It could be anyone. The mentally challenged may think of his average friend as the greatest genius.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Park: Genius = High Intelligence + Hard Work + Creativity
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Park: No. A hard work is enough to compensate the lack of intelligence.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and jobs held by you?
Park: Interpreter Officer (2012-2015):
Translate and interpret verbal exchanges among generals, commanders, and vice ministers of Defense Departments from Korea and foreign countries, including Australia and United States.
Investment Manager (2018-):
Raise private debt funds that finance an expansion or acquisition of foreign infrastructures.
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Park: The correlation between Finance major and Investment Manager job appeared to be the highest, only to realize that individual skills, characters and links mattered more.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Park: The gifted and geniuses have inherent abilities to reason and connect the seemingly disparate ideas. That does not mean, however, that they are academic elites. The most notable Nobel Laureates (and geniuses at the same time), including John Nash and Albert Einstein, are no graduates from, let’s say, Top 5 QS or Times World Universities. Wolfgang Mozart never attended a school in his lifetime. For the gifted and geniuses, curiosity diverts their attentions from one subject, while adamancy drives them towards the other. They also ask fundamental questions before accepting new ideas. On the other hand, academic elites simply follow instructions and work hard to excel in every subject. These elites, typically below “Intelligent” or “Genius” range (<I.Q. 140), are commonly misunderstood as the gifted or geniuses.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Park: I am an atheist.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Park: Hard Science > Hard Science + Engineering > Engineering:
I always pondered why humans desire to elevate themselves, while they fail to maintain their own status. Why would they create AI (Engineering) to control, while they succumb to the virus? The machines may replace humans to save lives, but eventually destroy them. An automated driving may impair the learning abilities. A remote working environment may lower the social skills. A robotic environment may degrade the value of a human being. On the other hand, hard science serves to raise human dignity. A development (Engineering) of anti-virus to COVID-19 (Hard Science, Biology) saves lives, while a discovery (Engineering) of Universe’s deepest secrets (Hard Science, Physics), or even a theoretical one (Hard Science, Physics), helps value them.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Park: I have listed only the most reliable and valid test that measures an I.Q. at or above 130.
The Nemesis Test (Paul Cooijmans) / I.Q. 143 (SD 15)
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Park: Since my test scores, except for one above, were distorted by lack of validity, reliability, or even bad health on the test date, I don’t think there is any significance to the score range.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Park: None. Since ethics is formed by a majority of opinions, the idea or philosophy is not required to define what it should be in nature.
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Park: Equality of Opportunity. Dworkin argues that people begin with equal opportunities but may end up with unequal economic benefits as a result of their own choices. It is natural that people should bear the consequences, given that they made the best efforts to analyze the choices and arrived at the decisions free from any external pressures. In reality, the starting points differ at birth and outcomes are distorted by others, but such conditions apply to a minority. In a sense, the philosophy is most applicable to a majority.
Jacobsen: What economic philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Park: Free Market Capitalism. Friedman argues that the government intervention in a nation’s economy should be limited. If the Fed fails to shift the money supply on time, the economy should deviate from its intended cycle. A faster increase in the supply causes an inflation and lowers spending at the growth stage, while a slower one increases spending at the recessionary stage. Instead, a tempered domestic spending at the latter stage should limit the purchasing power to either save or repay any debts and compensate for the lost GDP with higher exports. Otherwise, the Fed would have to raise the interest rate and charge the debt repayments higher than intended, bringing chaos to the overall economy.
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Park: Luck Egalitarianism by Dworkin. Similar to the social philosophy stated above.
Jacobsen: What metaphysics makes some sense to you, even the most workable sense to you?
Park: Metaphysics of Knowledge. I do not understand why people accept the knowledge as it is. Is the knowledge truly acceptable? A few examples of social knowledge. Why create laws that change? Why require academics to divide? Answers to the fundamental questions will help live the world with rationality, creating a better place for more.
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Park: Theoretical Philosophy. Similar to the above.
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Park: That life exists to set something for me.
Jacobsen: Is meaning externally derived, internally generated, both, or something else?
Park: Internally generated.
Jacobsen: Do you believe in an afterlife? If so, why, and what form? If not, why not?
Park: Nope. I only exist to be part of the design.
Jacobsen: What do you make the mystery and transience of life?
Park: Every moment in life is a piece of memory that remains forgotten after death. Why humans seek to remember others’ past, knowing they would meet the same doom, is a mystery to me.
Jacobsen: What is love to you?
Park: An illusion. It dies when its bearers disappear.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, CIVIQ Society; Member, ISI-S Society (151-Society); Member, Order of Imhotep.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 22, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/park-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Jiwhan (Jason) Park on South Korean Education, Genius and the Gifted, and Philosophy: Member, CIVIQ Society (1) [Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/park-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 22). Conversation with Jiwhan (Jason) Park on South Korean Education, Genius and the Gifted, and Philosophy: Member, CIVIQ Society (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/park-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Jiwhan (Jason) Park on South Korean Education, Genius and the Gifted, and Philosophy: Member, CIVIQ Society (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/park-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Jiwhan (Jason) Park on South Korean Education, Genius and the Gifted, and Philosophy: Member, CIVIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/park-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Jiwhan (Jason) Park on South Korean Education, Genius and the Gifted, and Philosophy: Member, CIVIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/park-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Jiwhan (Jason) Park on South Korean Education, Genius and the Gifted, and Philosophy: Member, CIVIQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/park-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Jiwhan (Jason) Park on South Korean Education, Genius and the Gifted, and Philosophy: Member, CIVIQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/park-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Jiwhan (Jason) Park on South Korean Education, Genius and the Gifted, and Philosophy: Member, CIVIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/park-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Jiwhan (Jason) Park on South Korean Education, Genius and the Gifted, and Philosophy: Member, CIVIQ Society (1) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/park-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 22, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 738
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
This is an interview with Dong Geon Lee in South Korea. He discusses: growing up; a sense of an extended self; the family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; wide-ranging reactions to geniuses; the greatest geniuses; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence necessary for genius; the gifted and geniuses; God; science; the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; ethical philosophy; social philosophy; economic philosophy; political philosophy; metaphysics; philosophical system; meaning in life; meaning; an afterlife; the mystery and transience of life; and love.
Keywords: atheist, Dong Geon Lee, intelligence, life, love, South Korea.
Conversation with Dong Geon Lee on Living a Life Rightly, Being an Atheist, and IQ Tests: Member, CIVIQ Society (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Dong Geon Lee[1],[2]*: There was nothing like that, and he told me to live the right life rather than just being nice.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Lee: In fact, I’ve come to live the right life, and the people around me are aware of it.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Lee: I grew up in a religiously free family, and now I am an atheist. Language used my native language, Korean.
Jacobsen: How has the experience with peers and schoolmates been for you?
Lee: About half of my classmates expressed hostility from jealousy to me, and some respected me. However, my close friend and I spent time discussing together.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Lee: At first, I got to know where I am now by IQ test, and now I use it to relieve my mood or to kill time. The IQ test also gave me pride.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Lee: A year after I was born, I knew how to write words. And I started reading books when I was 4 years old, and now I make my own mathematical rules and make physical theories. And it was about a year ago that I found out that I was a high-IQ person.
Jacobsen: What do you think of such wide-ranging reactions to geniuses?
Geon: Unfortunately, I have no idea.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you, even today?
Lee: I think Johann Carl Friedrich Gauß is the best genius.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Lee: I think it is a matter of achievement and popularity. And thinking is also a way to tell them apart.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Lee: Not all geniuses are intelligent, but there are many geniuses among those with high intelligence.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Lee: I think the method is a scientific fact. However, if they make people good, that belief is not bad.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or the gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Lee: Essentially wrong, but as I said earlier, I don’t want to get rid of it to make people good.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Lee: Everything about me is science.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Lee: WISC 4 was 150(sd15) FIQURE was 150(sd15), IQhaven test was 166(sd15)
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Geon: The range of the scores is between 147 to 166.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Lee: I think it is a philosophy of science.
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Lee: I think science and Buddhism.
Jacobsen: What economic philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Lee: I think it is liberalism.
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Lee: I think it is social liberalism.
Jacobsen: What metaphysics makes some sense to you, even the most workable sense to you?
Lee: I have no idea.
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even th
most workable sense to you?
Lee: I think it is liberalism.
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Lee: Researching about physics and mathematics.
Jacobsen: Is meaning externally derived, internally generated, both, or something else?
Lee: Both.
Jacobsen: Do you believe in an afterlife? If so, why, and what form? If not, why not?
Lee: Nope. It can’t be explained by science.
Jacobsen: What do you make the mystery and transience of life?
Lee: By everything that is good.
Jacobsen: What is love to you?
Lee: It is primitive feeling of everything.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, CIVIQ Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 22, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/lee-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Dong Geon Lee on Living a Life Rightly, Being an Atheist, and IQ Tests: Member, CIVIQ Society (1) [Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/lee-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 22). Conversation with Dong Geon Lee on Living a Life Rightly, Being an Atheist, and IQ Tests: Member, CIVIQ Society (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/lee-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Dong Geon Lee on Living a Life Rightly, Being an Atheist, and IQ Tests: Member, CIVIQ Society (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/lee-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Dong Geon Lee on Living a Life Rightly, Being an Atheist, and IQ Tests: Member, CIVIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/lee-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Dong Geon Lee on Living a Life Rightly, Being an Atheist, and IQ Tests: Member, CIVIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/lee-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Dong Geon Lee on Living a Life Rightly, Being an Atheist, and IQ Tests: Member, CIVIQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/lee-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Dong Geon Lee on Living a Life Rightly, Being an Atheist, and IQ Tests: Member, CIVIQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/lee-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Dong Geon Lee on Living a Life Rightly, Being an Atheist, and IQ Tests: Member, CIVIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/lee-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Dong Geon Lee on Living a Life Rightly, Being an Atheist, and IQ Tests: Member, CIVIQ Society (1) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/lee-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 22, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,293
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
This is an interview with a member of the high-IQ community in South Korea who wished to remain anonymous. They discuss: family stories; an extended self; the family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; some professional certifications; purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; genius; the gifted and geniuses; God; science; the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; an afterlife; life; and love.
Keywords: intelligence, IQ, South Korea, WAIS-IV.
Conversation with Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea) on Background, Family, South Korea, WAIS-IV, and Inflated Tests: Member, South Korean High-IQ Community
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
*Edits based on interviewee request March 14, 2021.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): I’ve not heard many mythical stories from my family tree, but there are some recent stories from my parental side. A realistic anecdote would be about my father. Raised in the countryside helping family agriculture, my father’s Weschler test score was around 138 with a perfect working memory score. For a mythical story, I’ve heard that parental grandmother verbally memorized Chinese Thousand Character Classic at age 2, just by growing up near the school studying this book.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): Probably. I believe working memory functions heavily rely on one’s condition and concentration skill which can be acquired and trained. If there’s something I’m heir to, it must be a tiny portion of focusing ability and rest of good environment, including socioeconomic status, education, and nutrition.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): Korean is my native tongue, and I’ve learned English by shortly going abroad between 7 to 8 years old. Anything else will be that of a typical Korean. From Confucianism based courtesies, Abrahamic religion education, ending up as an atheist.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): In elementary and middle school, I was just a model student with good grades. I was very talkative and enjoyed participating as a class leader throughout the grades.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): The Purpose would be mostly diagnosing or treating mental defects, acknowledging oneself better from this precise scientific tool, or maybe for finding gifted children. I’m only talking about Weschler or other standardized tests. The wide range of field the test measures, revised by research evidence and mechanisms, and its broad usages appear useful. And I think other high-range or online tests, or even extended Weschler tests and norms, are just puzzles.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): I don’t think there are any fundamental differences between people while high intelligence is classified. At least for me, I’m just a well-grown, well-educated ordinary person with a bit fair task commitment and efficiency. I often refer to the fact that heritability of IQ increases throughout the lifetime—snowball effect. Even though I can’t affirm any word with all of complex multi-variable entangled, one’s environment and his preference to choose and modify the environment via self-feedback seem very crucial.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): Well, I lack knowledge of related topics or examples. But from the perspective that friendship often comes from sharing experiences, actions, cultures, and even consensus of thinking, some geniuses with bizarre interests, behaviours, and different ways of thinking would’ve triggered some rejection from others.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): I don’t have the knowledge to understand their achievements.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): Just approaching on the surface, genius is named only when they’re remembered. So, I think both everlasting achievements or profound intelligence can be genius. But then there are too many intelligent people to be recognized, and this might be my misunderstanding, but extreme intelligence seems to end up function/subject-specific, while extreme skills are acquirable through extreme training!
The answer went out of track, but an extreme IQ score might be an exaggerated concept. Firstly, any extended norms of standardized tests are based on extrapolation. Even the proper norm is based on a few thousand people, but extrapolated norms reach the one-in-a-billion level. Regarding digit span, let’s assume that the normal distribution of a thousand men resulted in 7±2. But we cannot reason that scoring 17 will be 5-sigma above the average from this result. A long-or-short tail will affect the numbers significantly. Secondly, as mentioned, training. Studying mnemonics, anyone can memorize 40 or more digits which is far above average. Thus, the very closely packed human ability is sliced microscopically, and only close observation near average is useful. Elephant heights can’t be classified by human height indexes. Also, lining up every result as a single standard blurs the point.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): Maybe there will be many counterexamples.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): Maybe confusing some of the traits from Asperger syndrome. Media might have influenced them, but most people don’t have the chance to actually contact geniuses. This also applies to me. I have no answer to dispel these myths. There might be some researches that studied the correlation between behaviors.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): I don’t know. I don’t believe in a personal god, but I’ve also never thought about it seriously.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): I’ve learned the scientific method of analyzing which acts as my standard to avoid fallacies at my best.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): WAIS-IV 150. For online tests, the highest score was SLSE-I 39/50, and some scores were 160s. (all in sd 15).
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): I might only have taken inflated tests, but a few tests were around 160 sd15. The most inflated score would be Fiqure, with a similar result when I was 13. Some scores were around 140s, including school group intelligence test. It was a timed multiple-choice exam, and Processing Speed is my weakness.
Jacobsen: Do you believe in an afterlife? If so, why, and what form? If not, why not?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): No. I’m waiting for the proof. It’ll be proved when GAI is developed, better proof with emotions.
Jacobsen: What do you make of the mystery and transience of life?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): I don’t use English as my first language, so I can’t answer a metaphysical question in English!
Jacobsen: What is love to you?
Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea): I don’t know.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, South Korean High-IQ Community.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 22, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/south-korea; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea) on Background, Family, South Korea, WAIS-IV, and Inflated Tests: Member, South Korean High-IQ Community [Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/south-korea.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 22). Conversation with Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea) on Background, Family, South Korea, WAIS-IV, and Inflated Tests: Member, South Korean High-IQ Community. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/south-korea.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea) on Background, Family, South Korea, WAIS-IV, and Inflated Tests: Member, South Korean High-IQ Community. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/south-korea>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea) on Background, Family, South Korea, WAIS-IV, and Inflated Tests: Member, South Korean High-IQ Community.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/south-korea.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea) on Background, Family, South Korea, WAIS-IV, and Inflated Tests: Member, South Korean High-IQ Community.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/south-korea.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea) on Background, Family, South Korea, WAIS-IV, and Inflated Tests: Member, South Korean High-IQ Community’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/south-korea>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea) on Background, Family, South Korea, WAIS-IV, and Inflated Tests: Member, South Korean High-IQ Community’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/south-korea.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea) on Background, Family, South Korea, WAIS-IV, and Inflated Tests: Member, South Korean High-IQ Community.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/south-korea>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anonymous High-IQ Community Member (South Korea) on Background, Family, South Korea, WAIS-IV, and Inflated Tests: Member, South Korean High-IQ Community [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/south-korea.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 15, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,079
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Christopher Harding is the Founder of the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE), and a Member of OlympIQ Society and the ESOTERIQ Society. He was born on August 4, 1944 in Clovelly Private Nursing Home at Keynsham, Somerset, English, United Kingdom. He has never married. He arrived in Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia, in the morning of October 11, 1952. He remains there to this day. He has held memberships with the Eugenics Society (1963-1964), the British Astronomical Association (1964-1969), the International Heuristic Association (1970-1974), the Triple Nine Society (1979-1990 & 1992-1995), the 606 Society (1981-1982), the Omega Society (1983-1991), the Prometheus Society (1984-1990), the International Biographical Association (1985-1990), Geniuses of Distinction Society (1986-1988), the American Biographical Institute Research Association (1986-1990), the Cincinnatus Society (1987-1990), the 4 Sigma Group of Societies [incorporating all groups having 4 Sigma plus cut off points ] (1988-1990), The Minerva Society [Formerly the Phoenix Society] (1988-1990), The Confederation of Chivalry (1988-1990), the Planetary Society (1989-1990), Maison Internationale des Intellectuels [M.I.D.I.] (1989-1990), TOPS HIQ Society (1989-1990), the Cleo Society (1990-1991), the Camelopard Society (1991-1992), the Hoeflin One-in-a-Thousand Society (1992-1993), the Pi Society (also like the Mega Society for persons with 1 in one million I.Q. level (5th April 2001 – 2002), INTERTEL [The International Legion of Intelligence] (June 1971-March 2010), The Hundred (1972-1977), the New Zealand National Mensa (1980-1982), and the Single Gourmet (1989-1991), among numerous other memberships, awards, and achievements. For the most recent or up-to-date information, please see the ESOTERIQ Society listing: https://esoteriqsociety.com/esotericists/esoteriq-id06/. He discusses: He discusses: National Enquirer; the gap between cognitive abilities and record of employment; living situation without a record of work; alone; the professionals test someone just shy of 1-year-old; parents react to being called “liars to their faces”; genius; intelligence tests; publications or periodicals; artificial constructs; the factors making genius; God as human idealism; the Concept of God; science; the areas most affected by this despoilment; the areas least affected by this despoilment; 6-sigma; the ESOTERIQ Society; conclusions; and the information in Quantum Physics.
Keywords: Christopher Harding, Feynman, genius, God, individualistic, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry, science, Quantum.
Conversation with Christopher Harding on Genius as Individualistic, God as the Universe or Non-Existent, Science’s Despoilment, Feynman, and the Quantum: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What Royal Houses were the main connections with family?
Chris Harding: Most prominent – French side.
Jacobsen: In the National Enquirer published on June 25, 1991, there was an article about a certain man with the “world’s highest IQ” who is a “jobless janitor.” What did this particular media attention do for you?
Harding: Nothing.
Jacobsen: I state the caveat of “absolutely nothing at all” as the response to the work experiences question. It is reported that you have worked in menial jobs and had stretches of unemployment, e.g., in the National Enquirer. What explains the gap between the cognitive abilities and the cognitive demands of the jobs for you? Alternatively, what explains the gap between cognitive abilities and record of employment for you?
Harding: Unknown.
Jacobsen: How did you sustain yourself in terms of living situation without a record of work?
Harding: Family.
Jacobsen: Why the “non-existent” life with peers and schoolmates? Did you feel alone?
Harding: Violence and exclusion.
Jacobsen: How did the professionals test someone just shy of 1-year-old? It seems odd, even stranger than the 2-and-a-half-year-old, or thereabouts, cases entering Mensa International (or their national group).
Harding: Mental age in my case 3 years 4 months made that easy!
Jacobsen: How did your parents react to being called “liars to their faces” when ‘speaking of you’?
Harding: They were taken aback by this.
Jacobsen: Does this desire of cultures wanting genius while not wanting the genius create a toxic dichotomy in the general culture? Something to which only lip service is paid, while wanting to kill in former times, and ‘kill’ in modern times, the genius.
Harding: It comes from competitiveness [jack is equal to his master]. In many cultures submissiveness is considered politeness. That is considered standard in communication. It is why first world cultures see themselves as superior.
Jacobsen: As these intelligence tests have been a part of life before even 1-year-old, may I ask, what has been the life lesson from them for you?
Harding: Look, people see I.Q.’s as not valid above their own. Everybody does this. It is very noticeable that children asked who in their class is smartest will name themselves!
Jacobsen: As you recalled the quote from the Journal of the British Eugenics Society, I’m sure many will be interested now. What publications or periodicals do you continue to read now? What ones did you previously read and no longer do so?
Harding: No preference; I am a total generalist.
Jacobsen: With Leonardo da Vinci as “a Master Genius in an age of Genius,” do you think artificial constructs could fill the gap between genius seen before and unseen genius now, i.e., artificial constructs with the capabilities of the highest human genius?
Harding: They have provided little evidence they are going to solve this one: My Mother once said the process was ‘ant like’ rather than a G-function.
Jacobsen: What are the factors making genius “creative ability of the highest possible kind”? Other than the qualities inherent in ‘marching to the beat of their own drum.’
Harding: Genius by definition would be individualistic. As one person said to me, I was very `singular’.
Jacobsen: If “God is purely human idealism; largely what you can’t attain,” what are some exceptions to this thing one “largely… can’t attain” or the things attainable within this definition of God as human idealism?
Harding: What I meant was the problem lay beyond the nature of logical process. It is answerable in terms of the proof of the last theory of sets. But you still get back to the conclusion that if God exists he either is the Universe or does not exist.
You are still dealing with value judgments or in assigning names; which amounts to the same thing. My Brother agreed with me that the highest form of reasoning was EVALUATION. Since to invoke reason one must first evaluate a proposition.
Jacobsen: Is the setting of the “Concept… beyond what can be considered” a defense against formal knockdown critique of the Concept of God?
Harding: No.
Jacobsen: When did science begin this despoilment with the obsession with “consensus and ignorance”?
Harding: Always was there. In our own time many people use science to moralize, and science has become the new religion. This can’t be done of course. There is no bridge either between philosophy and religion.
Jacobsen: What are the areas most affected by this despoilment?
Harding: It is seen in notions of anthropomorphism with regard to climate change. Not so! The real cause is the Sun. Note, Astronomers had long ago pinned this down to Sun Spot Cycles. A new 11+ year Cycle began last year and rising temperatures have turned back. One Russian Woman Scientist predicts the onset of a period of dropping temperatures starting around 2030, though this figure is very uncertain!
Jacobsen: What are the areas least affected by this despoilment?
Harding: Human aging and Quantum Physics–much progress continues at the moment.
Jacobsen: What were the tests when scoring above 6-sigma several times?
Harding: Most of these I have forgotten. I’m 76 and most were over 30, 40 and up to over 75 years ago!
Jacobsen: For the ESOTERIQ Society, it states, “Christopher Harding (Australia): 197 on SBIS-Oxford-Analysis-New-Zealand in 1976.” What is the full name of the SBIS-Oxford-Analysis-New-Zealand, particularly the “SBIS” part?
Harding: Don’t know.
Jacobsen: While, fundamentally, dispensing with ethical philosophy, social philosophy, economic philosophy, political philosophy, and metaphysics, even philosophy as “word juggling” (!), I see some common points. One is science, though “less and less” with its despoilment, meaning as a “PATTERN” made by each person individually, an emphasis on some of Freud, “QUANTUM PHYSICS” in terms of “truth” with its preservation of information (neither gained nor lost), and the bounded nature of nature (including humans) as “a condition of being defined.” So, there is a there there. I have to ask, “What makes these conclusions more sound, at this time, to you than other possibilities?
Harding: Feynman once said no one understands the Quantum. And yet to further agree with his point “Quantum Superiority” has been proved for the D-Wave Orion Computer. I liken this to statements about the Aleph series in the mathematics of infinity theory.
Jacobsen: Any speculation as to why the information in Quantum Physics simply “IS”?
Harding: I once thought it through and concluded there was another stage beyond Quantum Physics. Simply IS would represent in turn a `single one’ off any general group of abstractions.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 15, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-2; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Christopher Harding on Genius as Individualistic, God as the Universe or Non-Existent, Science’s Despoilment, Feynman, and the Quantum: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (2) [Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 15). Conversation with Christopher Harding on Genius as Individualistic, God as the Universe or Non-Existent, Science’s Despoilment, Feynman, and the Quantum: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Christopher Harding on Genius as Individualistic, God as the Universe or Non-Existent, Science’s Despoilment, Feynman, and the Quantum: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Christopher Harding on Genius as Individualistic, God as the Universe or Non-Existent, Science’s Despoilment, Feynman, and the Quantum: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott ”Conversation with Christopher Harding on Genius as Individualistic, God as the Universe or Non-Existent, Science’s Despoilment, Feynman, and the Quantum: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Christopher Harding on Genius as Individualistic, God as the Universe or Non-Existent, Science’s Despoilment, Feynman, and the Quantum: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Christopher Harding on Genius as Individualistic, God as the Universe or Non-Existent, Science’s Despoilment, Feynman, and the Quantum: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Christopher Harding on Genius as Individualistic, God as the Universe or Non-Existent, Science’s Despoilment, Feynman, and the Quantum: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-2>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Christopher Harding on Genius as Individualistic, God as the Universe or Non-Existent, Science’s Despoilment, Feynman, and the Quantum: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (2) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 15, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,727
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Mr. Sudarshan Murthy is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He self-describes as follows: “My name is Sudarshan Murthy. I am 41 years old male from Bangalore, India. I have studied Master of Pharmacy and working in the research and development of Nutrition Products for general wellness and disease-specific products. I am a creative individual and published research papers in journals and also published books on appropriate strategies for curing acidity and ulcers of the stomach and intestine. I have developed a product called Glucovita Bolts which is a chewable tablet of Glucose and Vitamins and Minerals for energy and reduction of fatigue. This product can be taken by individuals who suffer from chronic fatigue. My hobbies are numismatics, philately and travelling. My interests are astronomy, reading books, solving IQ tests, understanding the secrets of ancient knowledge particularly Indian Vedas which I believe is a storehouse of profound knowledge on various aspects of life and the cosmos.” He discusses: growing up; a sense of an extended self; the family background; the experience with peers and schoolmates; some professional certifications; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence discovered; the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence necessary for genius; work experiences and jobs; particular job path; the gifted and geniuses; God; science; the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; ethical philosophy; social philosophy; economic philosophy; political philosophy; metaphysics; philosophical system; meaning in life; meaning externally derived, internally generated; an afterlife; the mystery and transience of life; and love.
Keywords: Ayurveda, genius, India, intelligence, IQ, Sudarshan Murthy, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Mr. Sudarshan Murthy on Growing Up, Ayurveda, Supreme Intelligence as God, and the Afterlife: Member, World Genius Directory (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Mr. Sudarshan Murthy[1],[2]*: My Grandfather was an orphan and illiterate. He married in a village. He was not having any formal college education but he studied the Ayurvedic Textbook by himself. He designed and formulated medicines based upon the understanding of the ayurvedic textbooks. He developed many medicines all by himself without going to any medical school. He carried out his own clinical trial experiments and gave them to patients. The results were successful. He was awarded “Bhishak Bhushan,” the highest medicine award by King of Mysore for excellence in the field of medicine.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Murthy: I feel that my grandfather was a born genius and some of his intelligence I have also acquired and of course his temper of course.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Murthy: My grandfather had eight children: four sons and four daughters. My father is the youngest son and was an electrical engineer. My mother was a housewife. We are two children, a son and a daughter. My sister is a doctor, married to a doctor and settled in Australia. She is an orthopedic surgeon. We stayed in India during our education in a different state. This enabled us to adjust to other cultures right from our childhood. However, we missed the long term relationship with our close relatives as we were in a different state.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Murthy: Since we were in a different state and away from our parents during formative years of education we found it somewhat difficult to adjust and study. May that reflected in somewhat lower scores in education. But we developed a good friendship with some people. But I became very reserved for the fear of being judged negatively and went into depression as we were made fun of. I felt I am an odd man out in a strange environment.
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and training earned by you?
Murthy: Professional qualifications:
–Master of Pharmacy, Master of Business Administration in Human Resource Development;
Professional Certifications:
– Food and Nutrition, Writing in Sciences and Design and Interpretation of clinical trials.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Murthy: Intelligence tests help to discover the innate ingenuity present in an individual of which he/she may be unaware of. This can help as a motivation to tap the potential of ingenious people to work for the greater good of humanity.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Murthy: I developed an interest in intelligence since my school days when I used to solve brain teasers and play games like crosswords and Sudoku. However, it was in the year 2010 when I first searched on google for high intelligence quotient tests and found the Mysterium Society entrance exam. I gave the exam and scored at 99th-percentile and got admitted to Mysterium Society. Thereafter I found many IQ tests and societies on the internet and kept myself a hobby of solving IQ tests and getting admitted to different societies.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Murthy: I think the problem with nature is that it sometimes creates misfits. Intelligent people are far ahead of time in their minds. This makes them appear odd to others because others can’t think like them, i.e., far ahead of time. They perceive these people to be a threat to society and their own position. Also, jealousy plays a role in the mistreatment of geniuses. I don’t think the geniuses are shy but they know that their ideas cannot be understood by others. That’s why they keep away from others in their own world of thinking. They avoid distractions because intelligence requires concentration.
Jacobsen: Who seems like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Murthy: There are many geniuses, some are recognized by the world like Newton, Einstein, Leonardo Da Vinci while many of them still not recognized like sages of India such as Sushrutha, Bhaskaracharya, etc., who are geniuses.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Murthy: I believe that ingenuity is an innate quality of deep observation and application of ideas that originates from the mind of a genius while a profoundly intelligent person knows a unique way of applying the worldly knowledge which is already there and known.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Murthy: As discussed in the above question, profound intelligence is not necessary for a genius.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and jobs held by you?
Murthy: I was and am working in the research and development of various medical and nutrition products in the healthcare industry.
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Murthy: Because this path involves developing original concepts from nothing. This creates a sense of achievement for me.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Murthy: If we think and observe deeply the universe in which we are we find some kind of control on the processes happening out everywhere. New stars are born, black hole destroys the galaxy, most of the objects are in the form of a sphere and why they are rotating, the existence of gravitational force we find that such order cannot happen on its own. There is some intelligence that is doing this and we call this intelligence as God. Different religions call this supreme intelligence as God.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Murthy: Science is everywhere in this world. We know very little of the science. Everything is based on scientific phenomenon many discovered and many unknown (yet to be discovered).
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Murthy: Attached scores on some of the tests. My IQ scores range about 150 with a standard deviation of 15.
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Murthy: 145-160 IQ.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Murthy: I believe in rule utilitarianism.
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Murthy: I believe in situational ethics because every situation is different and so cannot be based on absolute moral principles. Each new social situation has to be dealt with based on the context of the act when viewing it from a social ethics perspective.
Jacobsen: What economic philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Murthy: Any economic activity which makes the greater good for humanity and not mere exploitation for gaining profit is my philosophy. I still believe in the old barter system where the abundant things were exchanged among the people rather than money transactions of today. This artificial money is responsible for world wars and exploitation. However, in the current scenario capitalism to some extent is more beneficial than communism because economic activity is based on a desire for profit, but should not lead to the exploitation of the masses.
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Murthy: Political systems should ideally be made to ensure harmony in society and ensure that there is no exploitation of people. The political systems should be able to create discipline in the society, an order in the society and fair and equal distribution of resources. The political systems should ensure there is no crime or corruption and harassment of the masses. Political philosophy should be above the religion or the beliefs of people.
Jacobsen: What metaphysics makes some sense to you, even the most workable sense to you?
Murthy: I personally believe what is present is in three forms:
-physical, mental (and emotional/perception), and spiritual.
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Murthy: The philosophical system based on benefit for all, equal and fair distribution of resources and no exploitation of anyone makes sense to me. The system should also ensure the absence of crime, corruption and appropriate punishment for wrong people makes sense. This can happen only when there is an open-mindedness and sharing attitude among the masses and no religious beliefs or biases of any kind.
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Murthy: Identifying, meeting and living a life filled with a purpose provides meaning to life.
Jacobsen: Is meaning externally derived, internally generated, both, or something else?
Murthy: Life meaning is derived from internal motivation based on the observation and perception of the world around us.
Jacobsen: Do you believe in an afterlife? If so, why, and what form? If not, why not?
Murthy: Yes, I believe in an afterlife. Because believing in the afterlife makes a person behave responsibly and in a sober way. Indian karma theory is based on this. Whatever action we do has an appropriate reaction. We all have descended here because of our karma or the deeds which we have done in our previous life. Many Indian sages have been telling us that soul is eternal and we take the body in this life based on our previous deeds. If our deeds are pure we may go higher dimensions and misdeeds may take us to lower dimensions.
Jacobsen: What do you make the mystery and transience of life?
Murthy: Mystery of life makes it interesting. The transience of life makes one live life fully without any attachments to worldly things. We are stressed because of attachments to worldly things thinking it is permanent. Once we know these are temporary we don’t feel the stress and enjoy the journey of life.
Jacobsen: What is love to you?
Murthy: Love is a part of life that is needed for our wellbeing and to create harmony and peace in the entire world.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 15, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/murthy-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Mr. Sudarshan Murthy on Growing Up, Ayurveda, Supreme Intelligence as God, and the Afterlife: Member, World Genius Directory (1) [Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/murthy-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 15). Conversation with Mr. Sudarshan Murthy on Growing Up, Ayurveda, Supreme Intelligence as God, and the Afterlife: Member, World Genius Directory (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/murthy-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Mr. Sudarshan Murthy on Growing Up, Ayurveda, Supreme Intelligence as God, and the Afterlife: Member, World Genius Directory (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/murthy-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Mr. Sudarshan Murthy on Growing Up, Ayurveda, Supreme Intelligence as God, and the Afterlife: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/murthy-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Mr. Sudarshan Murthy on Growing Up, Ayurveda, Supreme Intelligence as God, and the Afterlife: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/murthy-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Mr. Sudarshan Murthy on Growing Up, Ayurveda, Supreme Intelligence as God, and the Afterlife: Member, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/murthy-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Mr. Sudarshan Murthy on Growing Up, Ayurveda, Supreme Intelligence as God, and the Afterlife: Member, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/murthy-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Mr. Sudarshan Murthy on Growing Up, Ayurveda, Supreme Intelligence as God, and the Afterlife: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/murthy-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Mr. Sudarshan Murthy on Growing Up, Ayurveda, Supreme Intelligence as God, and the Afterlife: Member, World Genius Directory (1) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/murthy-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 15, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,530
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Antjuan Finch is the Author of After Genius: On Creativity and Its Consequences, The 3 Sides of Man, and Applied Theory. He created the Creative Attitudes Inventory (CAT) and the Public Domain Intelligence Test (PDIT). He discusses: growing up; a sense of an extended self; the family background; the experience with peers and schoolmates; some professional certifications; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence discovered; the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence necessary for genius; work experiences and jobs; particular job path; the gifted and geniuses; God; science; the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; ethical philosophy; social philosophy; economic philosophy; political philosophy; metaphysics; philosophical system; meaning in life; meaning externally derived, internally generated; an afterlife; the mystery and transience of life; and love.
Keywords: Antjuan Finch, author, CIVIQ Society, Creative Attitudes Inventory, creativity, genius, Harvard University, intelligence, IQ.
Conversation with Antjuan Finch on Life, Love, Work, Background, and Writings: Member, CIVIQ Society (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Antjuan Finch[1],[2]*: There were hardly any noteworthy family stories being told to me during my childhood. My mother, and brothers and I lived somewhat secluded from our larger family, and maybe that contributed to this happening.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Finch: While they couldn’t have because there were no stories, I do think that the lack of these sort of stories may have been conducive toward me developing a sense of self unconstrained by familial expectations, traditions, and historic accomplishments or lack thereof. It’s even possible that this lack of a sense of a family legacy may have caused me to adopt a somewhat heroic attitude, and be interested in being the one who began paving this legacy. I believe that my brothers adopted similar mindsets.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Finch: I was born and raised, largely, in Indianapolis, Indiana, in the United States. The culture where I resided could likely, by American standards, be described as low class. We faced pretty extreme financial hardships during the majority of my upbringing. We each spoke only english, for the most part. And my brothers and I were fairly involved, whether we wanted to be or not, in several Christian churches during our childhood.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Finch: I feel that I was always a social outcast growing up, and even am today, but to a lesser extent. This change is probably mostly due to my recent accomplishments, which may give me an added allure and appeal to some people.
As a child and adolescent, I think that my autistic traits may have been more prominent or noticeable, and that to my peers, this caused me to seem vaguely, but very unconventional and queer. While I might be both of these things, I think that these traits were moderately tolerated and accepted by my peers. Although growing up I was directly asked, several times, “why are you so weird?”
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and trainings earned by you?
Finch: Most of the noteworthy training that I have that isn’t the result of autodidacticism, comes from my studies at Harvard, predominantly in the fields of creative writing, psychometrics, astrophysics, and evolutionary biology.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Finch: To provide a fairly accurate measure of the extent that psychometric g may be expressed in individuals.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Finch: When I was about 16 years old, while trying to learn more about quantum mechanics, I stumbled across a Ted-Talk by Jacob Barnett, who was also from Indiana, about 14 years old at the time, and had recently been admitted to the Perimeter Institute of Theoretical Physics. During this talk, Jacob mentioned that he had been tested to have an IQ higher than what Einstein’s had been estimated to be. Following my natural curiosity, I began to look into intelligence testing after viewing this video. After some time, I stumbled across the website IQNAVI.net (now IQexams.net) and took a few of the tests on that site and received scores clustering around 143. In disbelief of my results, I got several people at my school to take those and other tests to see if their results were as consistent as mine, and if they aligned with what would be predicted for them by their class-ranks. After doing this for some time, I realized that these may not have been actions one would expect from a typical sixteen-year-old, and accepted that I may have above average intelligence.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Finch: My current belief is that most geniuses simply go unrecognized, and that neither of these results describe the most common outcome for people in this population. But as to why the outcomes of geniuses vary so radically: geniuses, by definition, are extraordinary and extreme people, and extreme actions tend to illicit extreme responses and outcomes. But to provide a more detailed reply: having the degree of unconventionality needed to produce work that is, among other things, so novel that you’re eventually labeled a genius for having made it, connotes a level of unusualness that, in most situations, is associated with failure. Moreover, the immediate reception of a genius seems to some degree be dependent on the status and clout that they may accumulate, mostly through non-creative means, throughout their life. For example, in today’s world, it is likely impossible to gain the credibility needed to be accepted as being able to revolutionize several fields or industries, without having first studied at somewhere like Harvard, Stanford, or Cambridge (potential geniuses relevant to this example might be Karl Friston and Elon Musk). Likewise, in historic times, the means to properly foster the talents of a potential genius was available only to the wealthy (potential geniuses relevant to this example might be Isaac Newton and Leonardo da Vinci). As for the potential camera shyness of geniuses, the unusualness associated with being able to repeatedly produce such novel and innovative work might, as a byproduct, cause a certain level of awkwardness which may get magnified or exacerbated during things like zoom or phone calls. Your questions in these articles also demand a level consideration that potential geniuses might find beyond the realms of a live and fluid conversation.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Finch: The greatest genius in history most likely lived in squalor and never received the recognition needed to be propelled to the forefront of my memory, at this moment. But for known geniuses, I might say Leonardo da Vinci.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Finch: A profoundly intelligent person merely has an extremely functional and efficient mind, while a genius has a highly efficient mind that is occasionally “dysfunctional” in ways that are conducive to the production of highly innovative work, when combined with an appropriate level of work ethic.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Finch: Profound intelligence is likely almost incompatible with genius. In my view, genius requires a confluence of traits that don’t seem to be highly correlated with another, so the likelihood of profound intelligence coexisting with the other traits needed, each at similarly highly levels, seems improbable. For clarity, in my view, these other traits would be related to conscientiousness and psychological unusualness, and the rarity cutoff for profound intelligence would be about 1 in 20,000,000, or an IQ 180 (SD: 15).
Jacobsen: What have been ome work experiences and jobs held by you?
Finch: The majority of my work experience has been in entry level positions at warehouses. Although, given my recent accomplishments, I may now be able to secure more desirable jobs.
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Finch: I was to some degree forced into those jobs, as a result of apparently being too unusual to be likely to be hired to a job that required an interview.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Finch: The most notable myth might be that simply having a very high IQ, or being profoundly gifted, is all that is required for genius. This notion neglects to consider that it is impossible to produce genius work if one is highly intelligent, but lazy, unmotivated, or unconscientious, and conformist (and in turn, unoriginal) by nature. So the truth that high intelligence is necessary but not sufficient for genius is what dispels this myth.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Finch: I believe that my current position regarding how the law of non-contradiction relates to my model of creativity, and theory regarding the mechanics of emergence, mandates that I accept that there at least once existed something which can be reasonably described as a God. For example, according to my current understanding, a tautological universe requires a self-testing function, which implies self-awareness, and in turn, an, at least once, omnipresent entity whose existence allowed for reality as we know it, of which would be without a straightforward name if not referred to as a God. Note that this statement does not imply the existence of a God who for some reason disapproves of homosexuality and willing allowed the trillions of tragedies that have happened throughout history. For a more thorough, and likely accurate description of my position here, viewers should read my essay, Everything & Nothing, from After Genius, and my essay, On the Origin of Life, from my Applied Theory compilation.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Finch: It plays an almost inconceivably important part in how I view the world. It seems impossible to me for a rational and critical thinker to not be employing some scientific practices and procedures just while thinking and judging the validity of different perspectives. And of course, quite a lot of research into the relevant scientific fields tends to happen on my part during the incubation stage of my creative process and workflow.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Finch: I received a 145 on the test that I compiled and developed, a 136 on the WAIS-IV (145 GAI and 119 PSI), a 137 on the Shipley 2, and a surprising 122 on the RAIT. These scores are each on a standard deviation of 15. I seem to consistently underperform on tests with strict time constraints, likely due to having processing speed abilities which are fairly poor, at least compared to my abilities relating to other facets of intelligence.
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Finch: I’ve achieved scores as high as 156, and as low as 122 on supposedly valid intelligence tests. The difference in scores here might mostly be due to that different tests tend to place differing amounts of emphasis on different cognitive abilities, and that there may be a large variation in my sleep quality, nutrition quality, and mental stamina during different parts of the day, week and year. With and without excluding my highest and lowest scores, my average score is about 140.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Finch: Maximize the agency of all living things.
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Finch: Maximize the agency of all living things. This prohibits lying.
Jacobsen: What economic philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Finch: I find this series of questions regarding sensible philosophies relating to different fields somewhat redundant. A philosophy is only as valuable as the positive change which it allows, and given that the dynamics and laws of the universe tend to remain constant, general principles about how to behave in this universe can be derived and applied in any context. Certain rules like minimize unnecessary harm, and maximize the agency of all living things remain applicable in all contexts and should be the foundation for all workable philosophies.
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Finch: See my previous answer.
Jacobsen: What metaphysics makes some sense to you, even the most workable sense to you?
Finch: In my essay, “Everything & Nothing,” from After Genius, I stated, “if things could not occur independently of absolutely nothingness, then the impossibility of absolute nothingness could not exist.” There, I argued that the existence of an ultimate reality was evidence of at least one non-externally determined event, an in turn, an instance of free will.
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Finch: In my essay, “Preconditions for Genius,” from After Genius, and in my essay, “On the Origin of Life,” from my Applied Theory compilation, I provide overviews of how my model of creativity could also function as a description of the mechanics of emergence, and be used to explain how a universe might progress from a somewhat description averse state to having molecules and respirating cells, to having solar systems and complex civilizations, with black holes, psychopaths and all.
In “Preconditions for Genius,” these facets were referred to as deviance, pattern recognition, and conscientiousness, and in “On the Origin of Life,” they were referred to as variation, heritability and differential advantage. This all encompassing framework and potential theory of everything has yet to be given a definitive name.
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Finch: Essentially, improving everything that I can touch, and bettering everything I know how to in whatever ways that I can.
Jacobsen: Is meaning externally derived, internally generated, both, or something else?
Finch: Both. Meaning, according to me, is a consequence of converting information into more functional information, and so requires at least one entity of multiple parts or facets.
Jacobsen: Do you believe in an afterlife? If so, why, and what form? If not, why not?
Finch: I believe that an afterlife may be possible through some form of cloning, or even through consciousness uploading, or perhaps others means, but do not believe in any form of afterlife that is currently reported as possible by any major religion.
Jacobsen: What do you make of the mystery and transience of life?
Finch: I don’t believe that life is as intrinsically mysterious as maybe some would like it to be. I might also add that it is not necessarily transient either, given that it is the longest thing anyone can live to experience. But in all seriousness, I think that, just like our strengths, many of our limitations can be embraced in ways that amplify the meaning we’re able to produce, as without obstacles or limitations there could be no struggles or accomplishments, and no weight to our decisions or actions. I think that It would be fairly boring to be a God. We should be grateful for all that is just beyond our reach, as they give us reasons to grow, and something to live for.
Jacobsen: What is love to you?
Finch: The result of a combination of attraction and appreciation. Note that this implies that love can be rational or irrational, and that unconditional love implies an intense appreciation and attraction to even the most despicable aspects of a person, place or thing.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, CIVIQ Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 15, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/finch-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Antjuan Finch on Life, Love, Work, Background, and Writings: Member, CIVIQ Society (1) [Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/finch-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 15). Conversation with Antjuan Finch on Life, Love, Work, Background, and Writings: Member, CIVIQ Society (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/finch-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Antjuan Finch on Life, Love, Work, Background, and Writings: Member, CIVIQ Society (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/finch-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Antjuan Finch on Life, Love, Work, Background, and Writings: Member, CIVIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/finch-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Antjuan Finch on Life, Love, Work, Background, and Writings: Member, CIVIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/finch-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Antjuan Finch on Life, Love, Work, Background, and Writings: Member, CIVIQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/finch-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Antjuan Finch on Life, Love, Work, Background, and Writings: Member, CIVIQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/finch-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Antjuan Finch on Life, Love, Work, Background, and Writings: Member, CIVIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/finch-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Antjuan Finch on Life, Love, Work, Background, and Writings: Member, CIVIQ Society (1) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/finch-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 15, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,664
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Ani Zonneveld is the President and Founder of Muslims for Progressive Values. She discusses: the American immigrant experience; story of finding some of the history of America in the midst of the development of personal history unfolds; extreme rhetoric and its consequences; progressive Muslim communities; organizations; and final thoughts.
Keywords: Ani Zonneveld, Islam, Muslim, Muslims for Progressive Values.
Conversation with Ani Zonneveld on the American Immigrant Experience, Extreme Rhetoric, and Progressive Muslim Values: Founder and President, Muslims for Progressive Values
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
*Interview conduced August 25, 2020.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So, we talked a couple of years ago. This is 2018. We talked about some of your personal history, views, and work in activism within a particular tradition within Islam. Today, we are going to be talking more about a) the immigrant experience and b) historical perspectives and things that, at present, leading from that historical perspective that are helpful and not-so helpful in terms of discourse, in moving dialogue forward.
In terms of immigrant experience, in terms of a), what are some of the experiences coming to America later in life living in a wealthy society, granted with high income inequality, and a lot more freedoms for citizens compared to a lot of other countries?
Ani Zonneveld: One of things that really stood out for me. As a new immigrant at 18-years-old, I was really dumbfounded by the politicking that the political parties had when it came to trade issues. This is when I first came to the United States and NAFTA.
I was really surprised at what I thought they were giving away. Although, I didn’t know the issues deeply, etc. But as someone who came from a very politically active country, I was aware that in Malaysia there were protections from trade because, for instance, they are a small country and didn’t open the borders and allow for much more powerful companies to come into Malaysia and take over the firms and the industries, or open its market and get nothing in return.
I was surprised American economic and free trade is straight policies in that regard. But that’s too generous. That was my naïve immigrant take on it. When I landed in the United States, I landed in Illinois. I experienced some racist remarks and some things like that.
For me, I don’t take those things to heart because there are many more kind-hearted Midwesterners. You get your good and your bad batch of people. Although, you learn very quickly upon landing in America to sound as American as possible.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Zonneveld: [Laughing] Because when you had an accident, even though, I had more of a British than a Malay accent otherwise. You were looked on as dumb or dumber. Your accent doesn’t dictate how strong your grammar is or your written skills are.
In America, in order for you to be socially accepted, you needed to sound as American as possible. That’s fine. Some see this as assimilation. Some see it as terrible. I do not see it as that. I don’t see it like that because I lived and grew up in three different countries all of my life.
I’ve always been the minority, whether religious, race, or ethnicity. But I’m secure in my identity. So, for me, assimilating or becoming part of the culture that I’m living with and learning their culture and their religion and dressing like them; for me, it is not a problem. It is enriching.
I come from that perspective as an immigrant who is secure in my identity. When I look at America now and when I look at the conversations on cultural appropriation, and how wrong and right it is, that whole conversation around that sounds so crazy.
That we are having an issue with cultural appropriation. Where is that line on cultural appropriation? There are a lot of these discussions happening now. That I find them very problematic.
Jacobsen: When you came to America, the entire narrative so far describes a situation in which an individual is coming to a country, finding a need to adapt – needing an American accent, for instance, while not having a deeper understanding of some of the roots of these things, the longer term historical perspective of the nation.
Now, many, many people admire the foundational principles of the United States. At the same time, a lot of others will point out the contradictory lives of the people who made those same stipulations.
So, it is a weird admixture of admirable principles at the outset and missteps and hypocrisies in the lives and the subsequent setups in the United States of America at its founding.
In terms of its political activism, it more or less has been changing the history over time towards the ideals and away from the monstrous acts in its history. So, what is the story, for you, of finding out more of the history and seeing some in your own lifetime?
Zonneveld: Yes, it is hypocritical. In regards to coming to the realization of the shortcomings of America’s ideals vis-à-vis its reality as a result of my activism, I’ve lived in the United States since 1981. I have lived here for many decades.
For four years, I was in college. Then I was in the music business for 25 years. I wasn’t an activist. I was clueless of a lot of the social injustice within the American system. When I became an activist and human rights defender in a lot of the work that I do, it was work around African Americans and what we need to do here in the United States.
I would not have realized there were youth charged with crimes done under 18. I wouldn’t have known for international law. It is unconscionable to do that. As a country, it is reforming its judicial system, so children do not get any sentence without a chance for parole.
It is a chance to reform the system. In California, in the most liberal state in the United States, we had children in prison without any chance of parole. We were able to get that law passed at the state level in partnership with other faith organizations.
Another example was social security benefits for caregivers were exempted. When they passed social security some decade ago, the only way the Southern democrats would pass this law is if caregivers were exempted from receiving social security benefits.
This was because traditional caregivers were black slaves. So, when I found this out, I was stunned that this was such an issue in the United States, still. It is still an issue in many states in the United States.
This is another state-by-state case. We need this to happen on a state-by-state level. All this leaves me, as an immigrant, to learn about such things as redlinings, the black GIs not getting housing loans like the white GIs did. Even though, they were in the same army.
So many things that have deprived African Americans of equal opportunities, blatantly so. So, it is just such a heavy discussion to have; so, I think, unfortunately, the fact is there are so many deaths of unarmed black men and women, as well, by police.
We have had months of demonstrations for Black Lives Matter in the context of Los Angeles because trans black folks are being killed more so. So, that’s a more acute zoomed-in vision of not just your general black public, but also LGBT people.
So, this all popped up in the context of Covid-19 when we are all attentive to the media. There is a lot of attention on this issue and rightfully so. I am hoping that we will finally have the reforms needed.
Given that there’s such a mix of intergenerational and mixed races that have marched on the streets for Black Lives Matter, I am hoping the moment is now, even the election season, etc. I hope the moment is now. Also, I am very mindful.
I see a lot of incredibly divisive language on social media and media. A lot of people screaming at each other rather than people having a very strategic discussion, intellectual discussion, on how to change the structures.
If you are accusing someone of being a Nazi or accusing someone who is not black of being racist because you could, it does not bring people together. It does not bring in allies to renew this movement and to restructure America to the best that it can be.
That is my concern and that is my worry. I’m really happy when, at the funeral service of John Lewis, Reverend James Lawson who is an iconic African American, non-violent advocate. He veered off-topic from his speech and said, “I have to say this.” He was quite angry in his tone.
He said, basically, the dismissive language and the tone that you use will be unhelpful and history will judge you by that. I was really happy to have someone of that stature speak out. I am not African American.
It is not my place to say this. There’s a lot of anger and rightfully so. You know what is really interesting. The people calling for peaceful demonstrations are the victims of the families themselves.
These family members – my God. They’re just beautiful people. For them to be so incredibly gracious, I don’t know how they have the heart to be so gracious. Everyone else who has been destroying and fearing in the name of the lives that are dead.
They are really doing those lives injustice. That saddens me.
Jacobsen: How is this political context of bombastic, pompous and extreme rhetoric from the leadership influencing how ordinary Americans across political spectrums interact with one another? How is this further exacerbated by some of the chaos inherent in being, at present, at least, the number one nation in terms of the coronavirus pandemic and its impacts on individuals?
You have three major things happening. You have these massive protests, the largest in American history. An international pandemic with America as the major of it at present, as well as an overarching of actions, leadership, which aren’t helpful to any discourse to bring people in the United States together.
Zonneveld: There are two kinds of leaders. There are leaders who care about their country, their wellbeing, and using the power to bring people together. Then there are those who use that power for their own personal gain. Trump is obviously the latter.
He doesn’t give a crap about what happens to America. His whole rhetoric about Make America Great Again has only torn America from within. I am dumbfounded by the Americans who are still supporting him.
I am dumbfounded that they can’t see what a traitor he has been to American ideals. How he has brought the worst, how he has created division bigger than what it was, how he has peddled to our enemies and to the dictators, I am dumbfounded!
I don’t understand how people can’t see that. This requires a conversation with a psychologist, not with [Laughing] a lay activist such as myself. I don’t understand that mindset.
Jacobsen: What do you think progressive Muslim communities can bring to the table in bridging the divides created and advancing the universal vision of human rights and progressive values?
Zonneveld: As a progressive Muslim, I have to ensure that the readers are going to understand “progressive” in this regard is not a political progressive definition. It is a spiritual progressive. It is often mistaken for progressive politically.
That is not what it is intended to be. Now, by default, we stand for LGBTQ equality, human rights, women’s rights, anti-discrimination, etc. So, by default, we are political progressives by our values.
But you also see “fake progressive Muslims” who are using the progressive political language by politicians to earn their votes on the Left. The secular Left wanting to be inclusive, big tent, while not realizing that the use of these supposedly progressive Muslims is a way for them to utilize the process of democracy for their own political agenda.
I have a problem with some of those progressive Muslims who are running for office. They have this double-think. They are progressive on the public platform from which they are running on, but those are not the progressive values that they live day-to-day with their families and how they raise their children.
I think that’s the sort of problem; I have with the political climate. The politicking of the political language and narrative to advance yourself. Muslims for Progressive Values, what I think we can do as a non-profit, is advocate for the values that adhere to the values of equality and human rights for all.
I think on LGBTQ issues; it is constantly under assault in the Trump Administration. Our religious institutions receive federal funding and are allowed to discriminate against gay couples in the adoption of children, for example.
You’re not supposed to be able to discriminate as religious institutions if you are receiving federal funding. There are so many cases of this issue. As a progressive Muslim organization, we have collaborated with a lot of progressive faith-based organizations fighting back against a lot of this, e.g., what they have used is the Religious Freedom Reclamation Act to justify discrimination in the name of religion of others whoever the “other” is.
That’s what it was intended to be; it was intended to protect religious minorities, like Native Americans when the government was taking over their land for development. Land the Native Americans saw as their burial grounds.
That’s what it was intended to be used for, but now it is used by the Religious Right to support their religious agenda. I see the conservative Muslims are using the same modus operandi as the Christian Right to justify discrimination against LGBT people.
They try to use it to justify female genital mutilation in Detroit, two years ago, for example. So, yes, this is where we’re at! It is no longer a secular state. It is a theocracy. It has become a Christian theocracy, Christian Sharia Law.
I say, “Christian Sharia Law,” because: How is it any different than others who legislate and inform laws based on their understanding of the Quran? They are implementing it for the rest of America or the rest of the States.
So, it is unconstitutional.
Jacobsen: So, for those who are interested, either as secular people or as Muslims, what are some organizations that they can look into, become involved in, and support some of these more progressive values as defined before, or can research more to get a better understanding?
Zonneveld: Muslims for Progressive Values is the oldest progressive Muslim organization. We have been consistent in our messaging, in our advocacy, and in the positions that we take. There are some new organizations.
But they’re advocacy, political advocacy, types. I am not getting involved with them, actually. For one, because we are a non-profit, we are not a 501(c)4. We are a 501(c)3. So, because we are a non-profit, we cannot endorse political candidates, for example.
We tend to have discussions with politicians about positions and candidates. We have a forum and exchange ideas, “This is what we feel like. America should have marriage age for children at age 18 and older, not younger. Period. America should have a federal law against female genital mutilation and cutting. Because we don’t.”
That kind of advocacy, but we can’t endorse particular candidates. You would have to go to the progressive advocacy groups like MoveOn.org. or wherever on the political spectrum someone is.
Jacobsen: Any final thoughts?
Zonneveld: Also, there is this language put out on the side. It saddens me. Because there is so much divisive language, which can take away from restructuring the police, restructuring whatever the system is needing restructuring.
So, when you use the term, “Defund the police,” it is a kind of an intellectually lazy term. I have a problem with things like that. I would like to see really thought out things. There are a lot of African American scholars and thinkers who we do not hear in the media.
We see a lot of people in the media. It doesn’t get us anywhere as a country. That’s my overarching sentiment about the political climate in America, whether Black Lives Matter, Trumpism, the divisive language happening.
That’s my reflection on that.
Jacobsen: Thank you for your time, Ani, it’s a pleasure.
Zonneveld: You’re welcome, Scott.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] President and Founder, Muslims for Progressive Values; Founder, Alliance of Inclusive Muslims.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 15, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/zonneveld-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Ani Zonneveld on the American Immigrant Experience, Extreme Rhetoric, and Progressive Muslim Values: Founder and President, Muslims for Progressive Values [Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/zonneveld.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 15). Conversation with Ani Zonneveld on the American Immigrant Experience, Extreme Rhetoric, and Progressive Muslim Values: Founder and President, Muslims for Progressive Values. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/zonneveld.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Ani Zonneveld on the American Immigrant Experience, Extreme Rhetoric, and Progressive Muslim Values: Founder and President, Muslims for Progressive Values. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/zonneveld>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Ani Zonneveld on the American Immigrant Experience, Extreme Rhetoric, and Progressive Muslim Values: Founder and President, Muslims for Progressive Values.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/zonneveld.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott ”Conversation with Ani Zonneveld on the American Immigrant Experience, Extreme Rhetoric, and Progressive Muslim Values: Founder and President, Muslims for Progressive Values.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/zonneveld.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Ani Zonneveld on the American Immigrant Experience, Extreme Rhetoric, and Progressive Muslim Values: Founder and President, Muslims for Progressive Values’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/zonneveld>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Ani Zonneveld on the American Immigrant Experience, Extreme Rhetoric, and Progressive Muslim Values: Founder and President, Muslims for Progressive Values’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/zonneveld.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Ani Zonneveld on the American Immigrant Experience, Extreme Rhetoric, and Progressive Muslim Values: Founder and President, Muslims for Progressive Values.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/zonneveld>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Ani Zonneveld on the American Immigrant Experience, Extreme Rhetoric, and Progressive Muslim Values: Founder and President, Muslims for Progressive Values [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/zonneveld.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 15, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,296
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Michael Isom grew up in the birthplace of hip-hop, South Bronx New York, during its original emergence. Having also lived through its rise and urban renaissance of the mid-80s through the early 90s, Michael was able to experience many of the culture’s core lessons of true aboriginal history with respect to cultural identity, knowledge of self, responsibility through adherence to law, studiousness towards becoming the adept, and mastery of one’s being as thematic underpinnings of the rap music produced in that era. In later years after completing high school, he decided to pursue an undergraduate degree in Forensic Psychology and graduate education in Public Policy specializing in Management and Operations. Afterwards, he obtained an M.B.A. in Strategic Management in the wake of the dot-com era. In 2001, during the Super Bowl 35 Baltimore Ravens vs New York Giants intermission, Michael incidentally discovered what may have been the first online IQ test by the late Nathan Hasselbauer, founder of the New York High IQ Society, which soon after became the International High IQ Society. Having scored well past the 95th percentile requirement for entry, Michael was contacted years later by Victor Hingsberg of Canada, and was invited to take the test required to become a member of his newly established Canadian High IQ Society. After meeting its 98th percentile passing requirement and before moving on to TORR (99.86th percentile or 145 IQ requirement), Michael discovered what is undisputedly the most advanced cognitive assessment platform for IQ testing, in the world: IQExams.net. After a completing a battery of 40+ tests within a 1 1/2 year span of signing up, a clear picture of Michael’s scoring attributes emerged within the spatial, numerical, verbal, and mixed item logical areas, with a subsequent RIQ (Real IQ) calculation of 152. As his foray into the High Range Testing world continued, he happened to stumble upon a challenge issued by the ZEN High IQ Society: Two untimed IQ test submissions with a minimum IQ score of 156 (SD 15) are required for entry. And those submissions have to come from a pre-selected set of untimed high range tests. Since Michael already met half the requirements with his first attempt score on VAULT (163), he only needed one other test to qualify – hence Dr. Jason Betts’ test battery: Lux25, WIT, and Mathema are listed as accepted tests for Zen. Scoring 156 on Lux25 not only satisfied the entry requirement, but it also accompanied the rest of his scores on Betts’ test battery for a 151 TrueIQ. With the above experience, Michael decided to gain more exposure to other high range tests from other authors. After taking both the MACH and SPARK tests simultaneously (scoring 168 and 165 respectively on the first attempt), he proceeded towards a specific numerical test, GIFT Numerical III on which he scored 164. After also gaining entry into both the SATORI and TRIPlE4 High IQ Societies, he completed the untimed G.E.T. (Genius Entrance Test) mixed item test in minimal time. After receiving a final score of 162, he returned to IQExams.net and executed one of the most gifted performances on any tightly timed spatial IQ test he’s ever taken. His recent first attempt score of 160 on the incredibly challenging gFORCE IQ test exemplifies that cognitive fortitude can be taken to the brink, while spatial design and difficulty are taken to the next level. He discusses: coming of age story; geographic contexts; forensic psychology and strategic management, and trajectory into the high-IQ world.
Keywords: intelligence, IQ, IQ tests, Jason Betts, Michael Isom, Nathan Haselbauer, Victor Hingsberg, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Michael Isom on Coming of Age, Geographic History, and Entrance Into the High-IQ World: Member, World Genius Directory (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So, let’s start with some of the earlier narrative before we begin with some work and ideas, what was the coming of age story? Were you earlier finding out about some of these gifts? Or was this something happening a little later in life?
Michael Isom[1],[2]*: It is probably closer to the latter. However, I did see some instances that could have been the case long ago. It was a contextual situation in which I needed to be more in that type of environment.
My abilities could be better nurtured there. I think I found that, as I got myself together and, basically, improved my personal situation and rid myself of the so-called distractions at the time.
Jacobsen: For those that will be reading some of this, they can’t hear this. You have an American accent.
Isom: Yes.
Jacobsen: What were some of the geographic contexts for you, as well – cities, neighbourhoods? This sort of thing.
Isom: Thank you for asking, I would say that I have been in a paradoxical sense gifted with having grown up in the birthplace of Hip-hop, South Bronx, New York, during the Hip-Hop renaissance era of the 80s and even prior.
When the whole Hip-hop scene was being born, I got to see the history being formed – literally – right before my eyes. I got to see its evolution. In a sense, even though, in those times, during the Carter-Reagan Era, times were very economically challenging.
But culturally, even though, I took it for granted back then; I didn’t necessarily understand how valuable the experience would become today having grown up in that particular era. Even going forward from that particular time, I got to experience a re-emergence of a certain social fabric or chemistry in New York City during the late 90s.
We had the rise of the Internet. The Yankees were winning the World Series during that particular era. I saw a lot of fascinating events occur. I was – literally – right in the middle of it. I used to live two blocks from Yankee Stadium.
I went to school not too far from Shea Stadium, where the Mets play. It was the most unusual thing when I went to graduate school. In a sense, having grown up in that particular New York City Bronx enclave, I got to experience many cultures.
Queens is the most diverse county in the United States, with Manhattan not being too far behind. I got to experience a lot in a condensed geographic metropolitan area. With many nationalities and ethnicities, I got to speak to a lot of people about their perspectives of the world.
Now, I’ve come to the point where those experiences are very, very valuable. Because now, you see things from different points of view, which you may not have been privy to prior. After high school, I went to college and did a degree in forensic psychology with a minor in legal studies.
I did a first master’s degree in public policy administration specializing in operational management. Then I went and did an MBA at St. John’s University in Queens specializing in strategic management.
Jacobsen: Why did you choose forensic psychology? Why did you choose strategic management in particular?
Isom: Forensic psychology at the time was the most unique. It may still be the case. The school that I went to, John Jay College was the only institution offering that degree program. It was one of the most interesting fields to look into.
A lot of consulting agencies were attracted to the school for its intelligence programs, crime scene expertise, and so forth. Quite a few actors came out of the school as well as Pulitzer Prize winners. The field is a multi-disciplinary approach to understanding the intersection among criminal justice, legal studies, and psychology.
“I found it actually had quite a few unusual uses in the outside world. So part of strategic management has a subjective area in organizational behaviour and management where you’re interacting with different points of view in terms of how to develop, execute, and monitor the strategy, whether that be local, regional, or global, or – let’s say – “multi-level” at the same time. (It usually is.)
In many positions in life, you will find there are many psychological precepts that will separate the different layers and levels of organization from each other. I will give you a very simple example.
People who come in on a more technical position … they tend to focus on more specialized skill sets. What happens, as one moves up the organization to supervisory or managerial levels, is you find that there’s a greater – not focus but – steering towards an emotional aspect or an aspect of emotional maturity, where the person becomes more aware of the strategic impacts of decisions affecting other people.
Not just subordinates, but other entities in the organization, laterally and up-and-down as well. It is an unusual combination. I’ve met one or two people who have had a similar academic mix of degrees. I find that they’re very complementary.
It gives me some advantages, academically, over individuals who have more standard course routes. I tell people, as some might ask me for academic advice that “Back then, they wanted the degree. Now, they want the degree and the transcript.”
So, now, you’re seeing employers and other enterprises look further into the individual’s academic career tenure. A lot of my career was mostly in the startup technology space. So, what happened back in the late 90s, early 2000s, you had quite a few people looking for investor funding.
I used to draft business plans, assist teams in drafting business plan documentation, financial statements, and so forth, back in that time period when I was getting ready to go to business school. They would go for investor funding under Regulation D 506, which were basically done through private placements.
So, I did that full-time as a consulting agent with technology startups. I learned quite a bit along the way about how startups work and how they function, and what they mean within the American enterprise, even until now.
I did a lot of these engagements for quite a bit of time. I tried my hand at quite a few things. I did project management and virtual management in Chennai, India, while living in New York. A lot of my technology skill-sets were purely hands-on in terms of designing, coding, and so forth.
I have accrued a lot of experience over the years, in that sense. I will tell you a story. I remember back in 2001 going online. I found this challenge. It was a society called the New York City High IQ Society by the late Nathan Haselbauer. He had this challenge.
If you could score a 126 on this test, an online test, you could be a member of the society. That test is – or was back then, and even right now – at the level of some highly regarded high-range tests.
Get this, I think the test was 30 questions. I was not able to answer the last 5 or 6 because, back then, everything was dial-up. The image files that he had were so big and detailed, they couldn’t load properly on the screen. So I contacted him.
He responded quickly, “Here’s what I’m going to do. I’m going to score what you have already answered. It looks like you scored around a 132 or so, which would qualify you for Mensa, again, based on what you’ve answered.
There was the chance to score 140 if I had been able to answer the last 4 or 5 questions. Yet, even with the loading difficulties, whatever I was able to answer got through. As time got on, I began to see Mr. Nathan Haselbauer evolve the New York High IQ Society into the International High IQ Society because everyone began to contact him from around the world.
He thought, ‘The Internet has no boundaries. Why not make it an international thing?’ So, once he took care of that moving further along – this is long before he developed Torr. And a while after I did all that, a few years ago, I was contacted by Mr. Victor Hingsberg, who himself founded a number of high-IQ societies.
He reached out to me and said, “You took a test a long time ago, and you’re a member of the International High IQ Society.” He had already established a different high-IQ society. So, I was invited to take another test.
I originally thought that it was developed by Richard Sheen, but it may have been by someone else. This particular test was a spatial test. I got in, so I started to move forward. I started to move into the high-range testing community. I think the big move that I made into that space was signing onto IQExams.net.
That has been my forte since. As of recent, I have been taking quite a few high-range IQ tests outside of IQExams.net to get experience with various test-takers. For example, I did the test battery for Dr. Jason Betts.
I, recently, scored 164 on GIFT Numerical III of Dr. Iakovos Koukas of Greece. I was able to increase my World Genius Directory listing with that score. Originally, my purpose for taking high-range IQ tests was not really for the score.
The opportunities for that are not as numerous or insightful. A lot of times, what can happen, someone can be schooled. They can be forced to accommodate a situation where there may be a fit, but it is not as efficient as it could be or should be.
They may have some other abilities that may go untapped. I feel IQ testing is very important in the sense where the most important concept is for a person to be able to learn about him or her self, so they will be able to exploit opportunities moving forward with respect to their strengths and actual skill-sets.
I think this makes things easier for quite a few people if they figure out what they’re good at early on and then move in that direction and get support rather than spend a lot of excess time trying to figure that out through inefficient means.
During the 2000s up until now, I started to see changes in that particular academic space, even in the IQ space, to which I started to come to the opinion that the high-range testing space will eventually expand at some point.
What will happen, it will be more decentralized in terms of how it expands relative to the previous concentration, which it, actually, had. For example, you had high-range testing emerging, I believe, around the early 1970s or so, with people like Kevin Langdon and Ron Hoeflin. I would have to place Paul Cooijmans in that particular area as well – as one of the major contributors to the high-range testing space.
I discovered that quite a few of the problems the high-range testing space has had in terms of its proper evolution started very early. So, for example, the education departments of two governmental entities possibly pursued certain restrictions on high-range testing administration. And I recently found out that it was primarily in response to what Kevin Langdon and Ron Hoeflin had put out.
This doesn’t come as a surprise to me. What is currently happening within the online space, Jordan Peterson actually exposed not too long ago. The high-range testing world has been able to capture the abstraction testing ability that the more formal proctored administrations have been able to keep a secure lock on for a long time.
Also, they’ve been able to replicate the scoring distributions accurately, which the proctored administrations have been maintaining through long-term accrual. For example, if you give people an IQ test, a distribution will evolve from that particular test.
That will be done by rank-order, which will appear as a bell curve. If you take the same sample of people, give them an IQ test, change the items, and keep the abstraction level requirement necessary to solve that item set, the same distribution curve results, even if 100% of the items are changed.
So, now, what you have is a situation where so many people worldwide have figured this out, that it creates a new type of a social situation, where people can, actually, figure out where other people sit on the bell curve based on these particular online and manually scored constructs in the high-range testing world.
In a sense, it’s a situation, in which its social engineering has always been purported to come from more institutionalized entities. The evolution of the HRT (High-Range Testing), in terms of its highly decentralized nature is coming from the participants themselves.
Where you have a group of people taking these tests for self-discovery and evaluation, many will do it for fun. Others will have several other reasons – to each his own. It can be highly personalized. However, from that particular group, you will find a few individuals willing to create their own tests.
They’ll create their own tests, norms, and do their statistical analyses. At the same time, they’ll receive feedback from the testees themselves. And the cycle goes on, in terms of the reinforcement of its evolution.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 15, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/isom-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Michael Isom on Coming of Age, Geographic History, and Entrance Into the High-IQ World: Member, World Genius Directory (3) [Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/isom-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 15). Conversation with Michael Isom on Coming of Age, Geographic History, and Entrance Into the High-IQ World: Member, World Genius Directory (3). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/isom-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Michael Isom on Coming of Age, Geographic History, and Entrance Into the High-IQ World: Member, World Genius Directory (3). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/isom-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Michael Isom on Coming of Age, Geographic History, and Entrance Into the High-IQ World: Member, World Genius Directory (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/isom-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott ”Conversation with Michael Isom on Coming of Age, Geographic History, and Entrance Into the High-IQ World: Member, World Genius Directory (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/isom-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Michael Isom on Coming of Age, Geographic History, and Entrance Into the High-IQ World: Member, World Genius Directory (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/isom-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Michael Isom on Coming of Age, Geographic History, and Entrance Into the High-IQ World: Member, World Genius Directory (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/isom-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Michael Isom on Coming of Age, Geographic History, and Entrance Into the High-IQ World: Member, World Genius Directory (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/isom-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Michael Isom on Coming of Age, Geographic History, and Entrance Into the High-IQ World: Member, World Genius Directory (3) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/isom-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 8, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 4,187
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Paul Cooijmans is an Independent Psychometitor and Administrator of the Glia Society, and Administrator of the Giga Society. He discusses: the benefit of the “members-only web site and e-mail forum”; meetings; the birth years of the Glia Society membership; dynamics of the community; Gliaweb Riddled Intelligence Test; membership “in other societies… not accepted as proof of intelligence”; real issues with membership; retests not accepted; differences between heterogeneous and homogeneous tests; the requirement for a coinciding score with “one of the Verbal, Spatial, or Numerical tests”; Reason – Revision 2008 and the Daedalus Test; “Spatial tests”; “Numerical tests”; “Verbal tests”; both unsupervised and supervised tests for membership in the Glia Society; the Ultra Test, the Mega Test, and the Titan Test, or the SAT, ACT, GRE, and Army GCT, score acceptance deadlines.
Keywords: community, Glia Society, heterogeneous, homogeneous, Paul Cooijmans, qualifications, tests.
Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Community Dynamics, Heterogeneous and Homogeneous Tests, and Qualification: Administrator, Glia Society (3)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: To continue with the formal information as presented on the Glia Society website, let’s continue with the general information and the qualification information, what is the benefit of the “members-only web site and e-mail forum”? (Cooijmans, n.d.a)
Paul Cooijmans[1],[2]*: The members-only journal can be found on that web location, as well as information on how to join a few online fora or groups for members. On those fora, one may communicate with other members. I must say there has been a lot of activity over the past few years, but before that, there have also been periods with little to no activity.
Jacobsen:
Cooijmans: Good heavens, that is a profound question. For once, I am dumbstruck. I fear that the remainder of my life may not suffice to formulate its answer.
Jacobsen: What are the forms of the “meetings organized by small groups of members” happening “very occasionally”? (Cooijmans, n.d.a)
Cooijmans: There has been a small meeting at the society’s tenth anniversary in Brussels, where I held a lecture and played guitar, and we went to an eating place. I have also heard there has been a meeting in the United States, but I was not present so I can not say how that went. Then, I remember attending two other meetings in Belgium where Glia Society members were present, but those were not specifically Glia Society meetings. And on several occasions, members have visited me at home; one of those visits concerned two members at once.
Jacobsen: What explains the birth years of the Glia Society membership ranging from approximately the 1920s to the 2000s with the bulk between 1950 and 1990? Is there a more precise range for an unusual hunk of the membership?
Cooijmans: The explanation for this bizarre phenomenon is that people tend to be born in different years rather than all at once, hence the range of birth years. There is not so much an unusual hunk, but the mode of birth years is shifting upward and is now in the 1970s. Before very long, this will be the 1980s. Also, members remain on the member list as long as their membership has not formally ended, so there may be deceased people on the list, or people who have forgotten that they are members. Astoundingly few are so conscientious as to inform the Administrator, “Okay, I am dead now, you can take me off the list”.
It has occurred to me to deactivate the membership of people who have not been active for a number of years, but logistically, that is not as easy as it seems. When I experimented with this a few times in the past, the members in question tended to suddenly appear out of nothing and say, “Hey, why am I not on the member list any more?!” Somehow, they know. There must be underhand contact between members that you can not see as an Administrator, a “grapevine” so to speak.
Jacobsen: Reflecting on the membership demographics, and the growth rate variation of the membership noted in the first interview on the Glia Society (Jacobsen, 2020), did this change the internal conversation dynamics of the community of the Glia Society?
Cooijmans: Yes, in particular I have noted that the younger generation, say people in their late teens to late twenties, has become more active than in the past, and in a positive way. When I started joining I.Q. societies, the bulk of the active members were older, mostly over 30 and often middle-aged. I was 28 myself then and one of the youngest. I suspect this shift has to do with the circumstance that these people, born in the 1990s and later, have grown up with the Internet and with Internet-based communities. It is native to them, and they are also better informed regarding topics like I.Q. testing, intelligence, statistics, and psychology than older generations tended to be when first getting in contact with I.Q. societies. Although, as everyone knows, my enormous modesty forbids me to blow my own trumpet, it might just be that the free availability and hitherto unseen quality of the sublime information on my web locations is playing a role in the education of the best-informed generations ever that are emerging now and in the decades to come.
Jacobsen: For those with an interest in exploring the website, independently, on their own course of discovery about the Glia Society, they can view the links here:
General information on the Glia Society
Thoth, the Glia Society journal
Text of lecture given at the society’s tenth anniversary in 2007
Contact the Administrator (Cooijmans, n.d.b)
For the qualifications of the Glia Society, there exist a substantial number of tests. To pre-empt questions in some prospective members’ minds, you answered some of the inevitable questions, even in precise terms. To quote you, “Required for membership is the 99.9th adult population centile on any of the accepted heterogeneous tests (that is, tests with a mixture of item types) or on each of two accepted homogeneous (one-sided) tests with different item types. Only first attempts are accepted, not retests (that is, one attempt per test is allowed). Only the tests listed are accepted. Membership in other societies is not accepted as proof of intelligence” (Cooijmans, n.d.c). For a peripheral, but important, side question, why is “the Gliaweb Riddled Intelligence Test (Revision 2011 or original version)” (Ibid.) no longer accepted?
Cooijmans: That test has never been accepted, it has always been intended as an easy and less serious test, not a high-range test. You would have to score near the top of the test’s range to qualify, where tests are less accurate.
Jacobsen: Why is membership “in other societies… not accepted as proof of intelligence”? (Ibid.)
Cooijmans: Because many other societies are not strict in their admission policies and let in people who are far below the advertised level. I have explained that in earlier answers.
Jacobsen: Have real issues arisen where membership is shown, and assumed by the shower, as proof of intelligence, so as to make one qualify for membership? Any particular narrative examples of difficult personalities being highly aggressive about the matter? No need for names or a name, merely an illustration.
Cooijmans: I do not remember any such issues. My general impression is that people who try to join with proof of membership in other societies (despite the qualification page stating that this is not possible) are mostly not very intelligent. And the more memberships they show, the less intelligent they are. Speaking of unintelligent ways to “prove” intelligence, people have also tried to join with screen shots of automatically scored online tests that can be taken indefinitely and do not even display one’s name; and the most hilarious “proof” was an A.C.T. score report whereon all of the identifying information, including the name of the candidate (!) had been blacked out. A score report to bearer, so to speak.
Jacobsen: Also, from the previous question, why are retests not accepted? Famously, this happened with the Mega Society and the Mega Test with, at least, two individuals utilizing pseudonyms, or fake names, and then taking the test twice, so as to claim a higher score – so a purportedly higher intelligence score as measured by the Mega Test. While, with the practice of no retests, presumably real names only, individuals with a sincere and honest attempt and effort can acquire an accurate, i.e., real, assessment of their general intelligence, inasmuch as alternative tests compare to the mainstream intelligence test scores. Also, should real names and first attempts only become a pervasive admissions policy of high-I.Q. and higher-I.Q. societies? If so, why? If not, why not?
Cooijmans: I explain the objections against retests on my web location, but because this is so important, and so poorly understood by many incompetent dilettante test scorers, I will repeat it here in amended form:
(1) Retests are not comparable to first attempts but somewhat higher on average (that is why some candidates want them!) so accepting retests as the candidate’s true score (as incompetent dilettantes do) implies that the first score is not the true score, and therefore means to oblige all candidates to take the test twice in order to know their true score, and to require them to destroy their first score report (or not issue it at all). After all, the first score is sometimes higher than the retest, so if you let them keep it they will use it for admission, self-promotion and the like!
(2) Considering the retest score to be the true score implies that only the retest scores can be used for statistical purposes such as norming, and the first-attempt scores are useless statistically; it means to throw away the biggest part of the work one is doing, of the data one is gathering. In practice, of course, those who allow retests do use the first-attempt scores for statistical purposes, sometimes even in combination with the retests (and third attempts if not more) to arrive at a larger sample size, thus corrupting their statistics.
(3) In practice, candidates and test scorers involved in retests use the highest of the two scores, rather than the actual retest score (which should be used in all cases even when it is lower) and therefore add to the above mentioned two problems the inflation of scores caused by having “two chances”, as well as the levelling between candidates resulting from the same (inflation and levelling, when using the highest of two scores, are the necessary result of the imperfect test-retest correlation; and this correlation is imperfect or there would be no point in retesting to begin with). In case it is not at once apparent why using the highest of two scores causes inflation and levelling, one may imagine that “the highest of two” is on average higher than “always the retest”, because the retest score is sometimes lower than the first score. “Levelling” means reduction of variance.
(4) Candidates with a perfect or near-perfect score on first attempt are excluded from knowing their true score this way as there is no or too little room for their retest score to be higher than their first score.
(5) Through retests, candidates can verify the value (score) of particular answers or answer sets (more or less like in the game “Mastermind”) which endangers the secrecy of the test’s answers. From two scored submissions, very much more information can be derived than from one.
If a retest is allowed in some rare case for a special reason, the score report must mention it concerns a retest, to prevent it from being used for admission or for statistical purposes as if it were a first attempt. If the retest report does not mention it concerns a retest, this makes it impossible to distinguish it from a first attempt, and therefore reports from test scorers who fail to identify retests on their reports can never be trusted or accepted for admission purposes.
Regarding real names, of course members should only be admitted under real names, otherwise they can never be held to account for anything, and any test scores under false names have no validity. With false names accepted, people could try tests indefinitely to figure out the intended answers until they hit a qualifying score. And that is exactly what they do if you let them. I saw this happen in the early 2000s and was shocked by people’s dishonesty.
And first attempts should indeed be the only ones accepted for membership, I think the above reasons make that clear.
Jacobsen: Can you expand on the aforementioned differences between heterogeneous and homogeneous tests, please?
Cooijmans: Heterogeneous tests contain at least two different item types, when item types are classified on face value as verbal, numerical, spatial, or (sometimes) logical. Homogeneous tests contain only one item type. My experience says that the former yield a better indication of general intelligence and are less affected by fraud. Homogeneous tests are insufficient as tests of “g” and are also the preferred target of frauds and high-score chasers. To say that a test is an insufficient indicator of “g” means, in practice, that a candidate’s score on that test may deviate unacceptably much from one’s true level in general intelligence, either in the upward or in the downward direction. It is the upward error that attracts frauds and megalomaniacs.
For further clarification, it must be understood that an I.Q. test measures a general factor (= that part of its variance that is shared by all mental tests), one or more group factors (= the variance shared by some but not all tests), and specificity (= the variance that is unique to the test in question). Homogeneous tests catch in relatively too little of the first and too much of the last two, it seems. This has proven to be hard to understand for many, probably because of the abstract nature of concepts like “(part of the) variance”. For these reasons, I do not allow candidates to take homogeneous tests in their own right (only as part of a heterogeneous test) and do not express scores on homogeneous tests in I.Q.
Jacobsen: Some of the following questions may seem tedious. Please excuse if the next questions come across as such, however, a differentiation of reasoning, as well as a convergence, may help with seeing the administrative rationale behind these particular tests and abilities for admissions policies to the Glia Society, including the differentiation between unsupervised and supervised tests. The “Logic tests” section of the page states:
Required: A score corresponding to the 99.9th centile (unless otherwise indicated) on one of these AND one of the Verbal, Spatial, or Numerical tests.
- Reason – Revision 2008 (subtest of Reason Behind Multiple-Choice – Revision 2008)
- Daedalus Test (subtest of Psychometrically Activated Grids Acerbate Neuroticism and of Labyrinthine LIMIT) (Ibid.)
Why the requirement for a coinciding score with “one of the Verbal, Spatial, or Numerical tests”?
Cooijmans: Because homogeneous tests do not provide a sufficient indication of general intelligence in themselves, as explained in the previous answer. Only combined they do.
Jacobsen: Following from the previous section line of questioning, what makes Reason – Revision 2008 and the Daedalus Test reliable and valid metrics of the admissions policy to the Glia Society? (Ibid.)
Cooijmans: The fact that they possess enough reliability and validity to be accepted as homogeneous tests. But those two parameters are by no manner of means the only ones to be considered regarding admission; others include hardness, quality of norms, resolution, and robustness. These six parameters are also incorporated in an overall indicator of test quality. These parameters are computed from the test data using mathematical formulas.
To avoid appearing pedantic, arrogant, or like I am evading the question, the following clarification is kindly provided: Reliability and validity are technical terms from the science of psychometrics. In the event that the asker was not familiar with the technical use of these words and was merely intending to ask something like “Which concrete, tangible aspects of these tests make them possess the named properties (reliability and validity in this case)?” or even something as vague as “Which concrete, tangible aspects of these tests make them good admissions tests?” the following answer applies:
Reliability is the answer to the question “to what extent would this test give the same score if it were possible to take it repeatedly without a learning effect?” Reliability results positively from (1) test length and (2) item intercorrelations. Validity is the answer to the question “what does this test measure?” Validity results from the relation between the test and anything outside the test, including other tests but also real-world variables. The validity of a test can not be higher than its reliability, because a test can not correlate higher with any outside variable than it correlates with itself.
The two tests named in the question both happen to contain extremely original, novel tasks, and as such tap into the candidate’s raw mental abilities. Solving such tasks can probably not be learnt or improved to a great degree.
Jacobsen: The “Spatial tests” section of the page states:
Required: A score corresponding to the 99.9th centile (unless otherwise indicated) on one of these AND one of the Verbal, Numerical, or Logic tests.
- Spatial section of The Marathon Test
- Space, Time, and Hyperspace (Spatial section of “Test For Genius – Revision 2004/2016” and of “Long Test For Genius”)
- LIMIT – Lieshout International Mesospheric Intelligence Test (subtest of Associative LIMIT)
- Strict Logic Spatial Examination 48 (Wai) 17.5
- Eureka Test (Lygeros)
- Spatial Insight Test (no longer used but still accepted) (Ibid.)
What makes these tests, in particular, reliable and valid admissions tests to the Glia Society on the spatial intelligence indices?
Cooijmans: The first three paragraphs of the previous answer take effect here too. In addition, these tests appear to measure mental ability in the target range, so around the Glia Society’s pass level. This is determined by statistical analysis of the available data, and can also be monitored by observing the behaviour of persons with known scores on the tests.
Jacobsen: The “Numerical tests” section of the page states:
Required: A score corresponding to the 99.9th centile (unless otherwise indicated) on one of these AND one of the Verbal, Spatial, or Logic tests.
- Numerical section of The Marathon Test
- Numerical section of Test For Genius – Revision 2010 (Ibid.)
What makes these robust, or valid and reliable, admissions tests on numerical abilities to the Glia Society?
Cooijmans: The first three paragraphs of the answer before the previous answer apply here too. In addition, robustness is a statistic that shows to what extent the raw scores on a test rise or fall over time. It is based on the correlation of raw scores with a “time when taken” indicator, such that January 1995 is 1, and so on. Again, the suitability as admission test is determined through statistics, and also by observation of the behaviour of candidates and members.
Jacobsen: The “Verbal tests” section of the page states:
Required: A score corresponding to the 99.9th centile (unless otherwise indicated) on one of these AND on one of the Numerical, Spatial, or Logic tests.
Unsupervised
Verbal section of Test For Genius – Revision 2004 or 2016
Verbal section of The Marathon Test
Genius Association Test (subtest of Associative LIMIT Test)
Psychometric Qrosswords
The Final Test – Revision 2013 (subtest of The Hammer Of Test-Hungry and of Dicing with death)
The Test To End All Tests (subtest of Narcissus’ last stand)
The LAW – Letters and Words
Qoymans Multiple-Choice #5 (subtest of Reason Behind Multiple-Choice – Revision 2008)
De Roskam
Supervised
Miller Analogies Test (only from period before scaled scores were given; raw score) 94 (Ibid.)
What makes these tests, in particular, important indicators of verbal intelligence compared to others? Verbal intelligence correlates highly with general intelligence. Why?
Cooijmans: I would not use the term “verbal intelligence” but rather “verbal ability”. “Intelligence” is a term I reserve for the general factor in mental abilities. Also, it is not claimed that these tests are indicators of verbal ability; they contain verbal problems, but what a test measures can only be known through statistics, not on face value. The division of items into categories like verbal, numerical et cetera is a topographical, face value division. It is unrelated to what the items actually measure. So, a verbal test is not necessarily a test of verbal ability, a numerical test is not necessarily a test of numerical ability, and so on. This, too, is so abstract that few people understand it, hence the eternal confusion and the use of terms like “verbal intelligence”.
Again, statistics and observation help to know if a test is suitable. On the causal level, the quality of the items may have to do with the eventual functional quality of the test, or one would hope so at least.
Verbal ability (not “intelligence”) correlates highly with general intelligence, or technically speaking, in a hierarchical factor analysis of a variety of mental tests, the verbal factor is fairly close to “g”. Why? On one causal level, I interpret this as a reflection of selection pressures over the past centuries and millennia; there has been strong selection for verbal ability, probably since the advent of cities, which necessitated skills like writing and reckoning for purposes of administration. The hierarchy of mental ability factors is, as it were, a fossil record of (recent) evolution. Were it possible to study mental abilities of ice-age hunter-gatherers from thirty thousand years ago, one might find the spatial factor to be closer to “g” than possible verbal and numerical factors.
On another causal level, the correlation between verbal ability and general intelligence is caused by their both being dependent on the same underlying physical structure and its already mentioned properties (to remind, properties like the number of cortical neurons, neural conduction velocity, the quality of the insulation material around the axons, and the energy-efficiency of the brain). To correct a common misconception, the correlation between verbal ability and general intelligence is NOT caused by the fact that intelligence tests often contain verbal problems; verbal ability also correlates highly with a general factor extracted from non-verbal tests. The general factor expresses itself through a wide variety of item types (“indifference of the indicator”, Charles Spearman called this).
Jacobsen: Why incorporate both unsupervised and supervised tests for membership in the Glia Society here?
Cooijmans: Because any test known to be suitable is accepted, and that happens to include some supervised tests. The only criterion is known suitability for admission at this level.
Jacobsen: The “Tests with a mixture of item types” section of the page states:
Required: 99.9th centile (unless otherwise indicated).
Unsupervised
- Assessment
- Cooijmans Intelligence Test – any form or version
- The Marathon Test
- Test For Genius – Revision 2004, 2010, or 2016
- Associative LIMIT
- A Paranoiac’s Torture: Intelligence Test Using Diabolic Exactitude
- Test of the Beheaded Man
- Dicing with death
- Problems In Gentle Slopes of the first degree
- The Sargasso Test
- Narcissus’ last stand
- Cartoons of Shock
- Problems In Gentle Slopes of the second degree
- The Piper’s Test
- Psychometrically Activated Grids Acerbate Neuroticism
- The Nemesis Test
- Combined Numerical and Spatial sections of The Marathon Test
- Combined Numerical and Spatial sections of Test For Genius – Revision 2010 or 2016
- Problems In Gentle Slopes of the third degree
- De Laatste Test – Herziening 2019
- De Golfstroomtest – Herziening 2019
- Labyrinthine LIMIT
- The Hammer Of Test-Hungry
- Reason Behind Multiple-Choice – Revision 2008
- Reflections In Peroxide (subtest of Narcissus’ last stand)
- Laaglandse Aanlegtest – Herziening 2016
- Bonsai Test – Revision 2016
- <Cooijmans On-Line Test> – Two-barrelled version
- Isis Test
- Divine Psychometry (Scillitani)
- The Alchemist Test (Husseini)
- Magma Test (Vanhove) 17
- Ultra Test (Hoeflin; taken before 2003)
- Mega or Titan Test (Hoeflin; taken before 1998)
- Sigma Test (Melão; taken before December 2003)
- Test For Genius (old versions; no longer used but still accepted)
- Test for extrasensory perception (Cooijmans) 2
Supervised
- SAT (before April 1995) 1470
- ACT (before October 1989) 33
- GRE (before October 2002, verbal + quantitative) 1490
- Army GCT (before 1976) 156 (Ibid.)
In the cases of the Ultra Test, the Mega Test, and the Titan Test, or the SAT, ACT, GRE, and Army GCT, why only accepting the scores if taken before those particular dates for the unsupervised and the supervised tests?
Cooijmans: For the first three, the answer leakage had apparently become such by those dates that they stopped being suitable. For the next three, things changed about those tests that made them no longer possess validity in the intended range. Another problem with these educational tests, as mentioned earlier, is that when people take them purposely (and sometimes repeatedly) to qualify, they stop being good indicators of “g”. They are not robust against deliberate attempts to score high, perhaps because they rely too much on learnt skills. For the last, something changed with the test or score reporting about that date that made it no longer possible to use it as an indicator of intelligence in this range.
Of course, much of this was before my time and in a faraway country, and I learnt of it through advice from persons in the United States and communication within I.Q. societies, and also by studying old statistical data related to those tests, sent to me by someone in the U.S.
References
Cooijmans, P. (n.d.c). Qualification: The Glia Society. Retrieved from http://gliasociety.org/qualification.html.
Cooijmans, P. (n.d.a). The Glia Society: General Information. Retrieved from http://gliasociety.org/general_information.html.
Cooijmans, P. (n.d.b). The Glia Society: The World-wide Hyperbrain. Retrieved from http://gliasociety.org/.
Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 1). Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Introduction to the Glia Society: Administrator, Glia Society (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Administrator, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 8, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-3; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Community Dynamics, Heterogeneous and Homogeneous Tests, and Qualification: Administrator, Glia Society (3) [Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-3.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 8). Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Community Dynamics, Heterogeneous and Homogeneous Tests, and Qualification: Administrator, Glia Society (3). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-3.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Community Dynamics, Heterogeneous and Homogeneous Tests, and Qualification: Administrator, Glia Society (3). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-3>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Community Dynamics, Heterogeneous and Homogeneous Tests, and Qualification: Administrator, Glia Society (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-3.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott ”Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Community Dynamics, Heterogeneous and Homogeneous Tests, and Qualification: Administrator, Glia Society (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-3.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Community Dynamics, Heterogeneous and Homogeneous Tests, and Qualification: Administrator, Glia Society (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-3>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Community Dynamics, Heterogeneous and Homogeneous Tests, and Qualification: Administrator, Glia Society (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-3.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Community Dynamics, Heterogeneous and Homogeneous Tests, and Qualification: Administrator, Glia Society (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-3>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Community Dynamics, Heterogeneous and Homogeneous Tests, and Qualification: Administrator, Glia Society (3) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-3.
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Abstract
Born on February 27th, 1985 in Ciego de Ávila, Cuba, Aníbal Sánchez Numa graduated as Computer Engineer in 2012 and as Master in Computer Science in 2014. Having a PhD in Computational Mechanics since 2018, he belongs to the World Genius Directory and Catholiq High IQ Society. He discusses: the ways in which How man became a giant and The magic of numbers talk mathematics; Social Sciences under the Soviet Union; the areas of “some faith”; the hypocritical status of ‘most Christians’; the intellectual and emotional feeling of this ‘breaking free’; choir; Protestant Christian outings; the forms of being tied up as a Christian; other interests neglected as a result of being a Christian; the sense of respect in a community of peers; areas of study were more neglected in formal schooling; oscillation between achievement of near perfection and then collapse of self; geniuses; IQExams or IQNavi.net; the core of intelligence; the victories in the mathematical competitions; matters of life; the full realization as a gifted person; a necessary ingredient for genius; a pure Imaginarium; personalities or personal characteristics; kinds of “web and mobile applications”; advice for those who wish to get into the industry; a sense of the compulsive thinking in the gifted; rejection of all forms of religion; a blind faith, a faith, and, as William Lane Craig stipulates, a “reasonable faith”; rejecting the God of the Bible; an atheist with respect to the God of the Christians; the god of Pantheism; ‘If there is a God, then he’s a Devil’; the heritable status of intelligence; the agnostic position regarding the existence of a god; the prayers to experience; the form of healing induced via the prayer; the differences between men and women based on the evidence; the failures in the educational system; profoundly gifted individuals; and a range of great possibilities in life.
Keywords: Aníbal Sánchez Numa, atheist, Bible, Christianity, Christians, Devil, genius, God, prayer, Protestant Christians, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with M.Sc. Ing. Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Christianity, the Bible, the Gifted, the God of the Christians, Prayer, and Life Possibilities: Member, World Genius Directory (3)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What were some of the ways in which How man became a giant and The magic of numbers talk mathematics?
M.Sc. Ing. Aníbal Sánchez Numa[1],[2]*: The first one is not about mathematics but about how the man developed himself since ancient times to be able to do all things he can do nowadays. The second one is about the history of Mathematics. It relates its history through fun and interesting anecdotes and it was very important in my love for Mathematics. It was through that book that I discovered Archimedes, Euclides, Pythagoras and similar characters of history.
Jacobsen: What were Social Sciences under the Soviet Union?
Numa: My father says that it studies the political basements of society, particularly of capitalism and socialism.
Jacobsen: What are the areas of “some faith” for your mother in spite of never attending church anymore?
Numa: She stills believes in God, and believes that God can respond to praying.
Jacobsen: Why the hypocritical status of ‘most Christians’ as an implication of “Christians talk a lot about what Jesus said what we should do, but almost none of them do”?
Numa: Being fair, to do everything Jesus said Christians should do is quite difficult, but I wouldn’t call myself a true Christian if I was constantly talking about what me as a Christian should do according to his teachings and I didn’t actually do it. It is to me like “do what I say to do, but not what I do”. It produced me a sense of falseness.
Jacobsen: What was the intellectual and emotional feeling of this ‘breaking free’? Those in certain strains would probably consider that moment as a capture by demonic forces for the Devil Himself.
Numa: Yes, they said that too, but the fact is I was very relieved. I felt that I had lost control of my life and needed to get it back.
Jacobsen: What songs did you sing in choir?
Numa: Christian songs. I had never heard of them, some of the singers I remember are Marcela Gándara and Jesús Adrián Romero.
Jacobsen: What kinds of Protestant Christian outings were part of the group of young people?
Numa: Nothing special, just walking through the city, having a pizza or ice-cream, things like that, just social encounters.
Jacobsen: What were the forms of being tied up as a Christian?
Numa: I felt a strong impulse to go to the church very often as in every day. And sometimes I didn’t really want to go and at the same time I did want to go. It was weird. I felt that I couldn’t resist the impulse to go, like an addiction.
Jacobsen: What were other interests neglected as a result of being a Christian at the time?
Numa: I didn’t listen to any other music than Christian, I didn’t study or read anything unrelated to Christianism. At the same time, I felt my goals in life had been put behind.
Jacobsen: What is the sense of respect in a community of peers? How is this hindered in times of adolescence with others not taking this principle as seriously as a certain young gifted adolescent male of the past?
Numa: I was more respected in general, but anyway I didn’t like the way my peers treated each other, not only me. It’s hard to tell why I was so different but I think that maybe it had to do with my parents’ education and home environment in general as well. Anyway, I think I also had some personality issues back then.
Jacobsen: What areas of study were more neglected in formal schooling for you? Why those? No one is a master of all.
Numa: I loved mostly sciences like Mathematics, Physics and Chemistry. In general, I didn’t like Literature, or art class. In Literature I got very good grades but I really didn’t like it, and I was really bad in art class (Musical Education, for instance). I remember that I didn’t like History either, even though I got good grades, but I limited myself to the content received in the classroom.
Jacobsen: Is this oscillation between achievement of near perfection and then collapse of self when not achieving it a common theme amongst the gifted?
Numa: In gifted forums I have read a lot of members claiming that perfectionism is a burden for them for the same reason. In general, a lot of gifted people have low self-esteem because of it, according to what I have read on those sites. Perfectionism can be so intense that if you are not quite sure you will do it great then you stop yourself from doing it. It’s also common to have a big fear of failure for this same reason.
Jacobsen: Could an exaggerated form of this be seen in geniuses? While, with geniuses, they, in fact, proceed to succeed in the proverbial ‘perfection’ without the associated twang back to a lower sense of self because of succeeding rather than failing.
Numa: I would say that it makes sense, yes.
Jacobsen: With IQExams or IQNavi.net, what were some of the interesting numerical tests there?
Numa: I really liked Numix, DeepSpeed and Numeriq32, which are timed tests and also found interesting Bakers Prime, which is untimed.
Jacobsen: What seems like the core of intelligence?
Numa: I have seen a lot of specialists in the subject saying nobody really knows. However, I would say that intelligence is made of some basic capacities like: memory, attention, focus and pattern recognition, and other more elaborated capacities like: problem solving and adaptation.
Jacobsen: Were the victories in the mathematical competitions helpful in the development of a sense of self and an acceptance of giftedness?
Numa: At the time that I participated in those contests the results were much more important for my family and my teachers than for myself. I loved the Math contests mainly for the challenge they represented but didn’t have a good picture of that meaning I was very smart because of it. Actually I thought back then that any person who loved Math could achieve the same, never thought I was gifted back then. However, when I began suspecting I was gifted I realized that maybe those contests were a good supporting clue.
Jacobsen: How were you “very clumsy in matters of life in general”?
Numa: I basically didn’t understand well social interactions and structure. I was very naïve also, and I would say that I had like some form of development delay like if I was much younger concerning all kind of skills normally adults and even children have.
Jacobsen: What was the feeling when you ‘stopped feeling weird’ with the full realization as a gifted person, in general, with a talent for mathematics, in particular?
Numa: It was one of the greatest feeling I have ever had. In gifted forums we see very often people arrive with the same doubts and I and other members try to tell them our experiences. The sensation is hard to describe, it begins with a suspicion, then you continue collecting more evidences and when you finally accept it, it’s very satisfying. It’s like now you understand your whole life so far, and it feels pretty much the same for nearly every gifted people who is identified in adulthood. Some years later I saw the movie “Gifted”, about a gifted girl and I was crying during several moments of the film.
Jacobsen: In the “very high intelligence” as a necessary ingredient for genius, how high, or how rare?
Numa: It’s difficult to tell. I think that maybe an IQ of 145 could be a good threshold as it’s the beginning of “high” giftedness. In general, 94% of all gifted people lie in the “moderated” zone, so I think that maybe having high giftedness could be a threshold. However, in high IQ societies and community it’s common to tell that the threshold for genius should be 160.
Jacobsen: Who are examples of people with profound intelligence while pursuing what they think is “how the Universe works” while, in fact, pursuing the infinite array of the magical, as if a pure Imaginarium of the unreal, i.e., a life and profound intelligence wasted?
Numa: Technically 1 of each 3.5 million people are profoundly gifted and so we could estimate that there are roughly 2000 of such people in the world right now. I have met as I know only 2 or 3 profoundly gifted people and they are very very brilliant but I am not aware that they are researching or doing anything especial. One of these people I have met has photographic memory, she can memorize entire books by looking at them and she is having two different degrees in college at the same time. I think that is the kind of intelligence that can in fact make great advancements if she had a great creativity (I don’t know if she has it) and enough opportunities.
Jacobsen: What personalities or personal characteristics feed into genius as well?
Numa: Strong motivation for reaching their goals, and a very strong will. There have been geniuses who put apart their social lives to focus only in their research in isolation. I guess they should have also a firm trust in their talent.
Jacobsen: What kinds of “web and mobile applications” do you develop?
Numa: Basically management systems, online shopping systems too. In the case of mobiles applications, I commonly make them as a complement for the web application, so it has the same functionality than the web version but for being used more easily.
Jacobsen: Any advice for those who wish to get into the industry?
Numa: Software development requires continuous study. I have met several people who want to become developers because it is a very well paid job, but the truth is that if you don’t feel a real attraction for it it’s unlikely that you succeed because you won’t have the will to keep studying and studying to be updated.
Jacobsen: Is there a sense of the compulsive thinking in the gifted?
Numa: It’s common knowledge that a high intelligence implies that your mind is never idle. I used to become exhausted of so much thinking some years ago. It’s common too to have problems to sleep because of it. Yes, I could say it’s compulsive, in the sense that many gifted people can’t really control it voluntarily.
Jacobsen: What of those who claim ‘rejection of all forms of religion as no belief whatsoever’ is, in and of itself, a “belief”?
Numa: Yes, I am aware of that, but I disagree. I see not having any belief more like a personality issue. I think that that claiming is more an attempt of those people to put atheists in the same position that they are. Some people think that a person claims to be atheist like saying that he/she is smarter than the rest, but that is not true. If you are a person who believes that facts and you don’t know any fact that could lead to have a belief, then you don’t have it.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a blind faith, a faith, and, as William Lane Craig stipulates, a “reasonable faith”?
Numa: Blind faith means that you show the person a contradiction in what he/she claims and he/she simply denies it, he/she chooses to believe no matter what you said to him/her. Reasonable faith seems to me that you could have some faith but you have reasonable doubts and you accept contradictions on it, so you try to not to be too fanatic.
Jacobsen: Why primarily rejecting the God of the Bible?
Numa: I think the God of the Bible is created with an anthropocentric view of the world. I mean, man believes he is the center of everything and so he creates a God that made him “to his image and similarity”. It is more like a personal God, and he puts in him his own sense of justice and morality.
Jacobsen: With the rejection of the God of the Bible, as in an atheist with respect to the God of the Christians, where does this place you in the historical moment of the ascendance of the Christian faith with over 2,000,000,000 people adhering to its faith tenets in various degrees and ways?
Numa: I am a factual person. I try to be as much objective as I can. I think that many people prefer to believe in something if that makes them happy, but it’s not my case. I think that most people are not interested in knowing if there is a God or not, they choose to believe simply to have faith in a better life. I seek the truth, even though it’s relative. But if I have some evidence of something I accept it no matter how hard it is or what it implies. At least I try to be like that. Of course we humans all have flaws and weaknesses and there must be some things I choose to believe no matter what too, but I would say they are not many.
Jacobsen: What makes the god of Pantheism reasonable to you? In turn, what forms of pantheism make sense to you? How would these differ from Pandeism and Panendeism, or Panentheism?
Numa: Of course I don’t have any evidence of that either. It just seems like a possibility to me, like there are other possibilities like parallels universes, or the fact that we could be just microorganisms in a world of giant beings. My thinking of Pantheism is like a point of view that everything is possible because our minds are very limited and the knowledge we have is always limited too. It could be said that it is a reasonable faith and an open door to the possibility that there is a God in some way.
Jacobsen: Why is the God of the Bible such a brutal, sadistic, and warmongery figure? As Noam Chomsky echoed Thomas Paine, he stated, ‘If there is a God, then he’s a Devil.’
Numa: I think it shows that Bible was written according to the time standards, which were that brutal. I think it’s in somehow an evidence that it was not inspired by any God but only for normal people of that time, in which barbarism was pretty common.
Jacobsen: With the heritable status of intelligence comes researchers, dead and alive, who make arguments for race and intelligence as a racial hierarchy based on a ranking of a “heritable” quality from high (intelligence) to low (intelligence) races, any more extensive thoughts on these arguments and individuals who make the arguments?
Numa: That interpretation is wrong in my opinion. The hierarchical part. No human characteristic should define a hierarchy among people. Skin color used to do that, which is obviously wrong. I think it’s part of the problem of intelligence being considered by society as some kind of superior characteristic. There are for instance differences in how some diseases affect to different races, but almost nobody cares about that and nobody would make a hierarchy based on that.
Jacobsen: Are these probabilities on the agnostic position regarding the existence of a god more qualitative or based on some metrics? If some variables comprising such a metric, even both parts of the question so as to make a variable-based qualitative metric, what are the variables to consider for you?
Numa: It’s more qualitative. But I would say that is more like an intuition. I base it on none scientific evidences found in favor of God existence and also in the way I think that humanity behaves. I think for instance, that is very convenient to have a very benevolent God who punish the bad people, and it is also very convenient to believe that your soul will remain alive once you are dead. It seems to me a human invention because of that, because it’s like a solution to the problems humanity can’t handle. Let’s say in 5000 years humanity manages to make it possible eternal life for every person, if that was the case the belief in God’s paradise would vanish eventually.
Jacobsen: What were the prayers to experience the “prayer-induced altered states of consciousness”?
Numa: It were some words being repeated and with a given tone of voice.
Jacobsen: What was the form of healing induced via the prayer?
Numa: Sometimes it was only putting his hand on your afflicted organ, sometimes it was a pray itself, they can heal a pain, for instance. There are some testimonies of people who claim that they had important diseases (like cancer) but I have only seen that on videos not in my presence.
Jacobsen: What seem like the differences between men and women based on the evidence?
Numa: I have read studies that find differences, for instance, in mechanical aptitude between men and women. I have also read studies about differences in IQ between both genders which conclude that there are more men on both extremes of the bell curve and more women on the mean.
Jacobsen: What can ameliorate the failures in the educational system?
Numa: About two weeks ago my mom presented a problem to me. She had a hair product with a 60% concentration and she wanted to know how much water she had to add to it to degrade it to 20%. Instantly I thought: A good example to tell people how math taught at school can be useful in daily life.
When I was in school I remember that I had at home the same textbooks from previous years and they had much more complex content than the ones I was receiving in school. Nowadays textbooks are likewise simpler than the ones I had back then. I don’t know the reason for this phenomena, but there is an obvious tendency to teach simpler content to students in school. We were never given a math problem with five possible solutions so that we marked the right one, in all problems we had to develop the full solution. Nowadays these multiple choice problems are in textbooks. I think it should be the opposite. With the Internet is quite easy to search any explanation online, so… why make things easier for the students? I even read a study that says that this generation is the first one with a lower IQ than their parents, and I think it makes sense. So I think that we need to increase the difficulty of the subjects and also to teach the students how all the science they are being taught is present in their lives. I saw an interview of the great mathematician Terence Tao in which he says that a lot of people hate Math because they think it’s useless for them and that that is a challenge for education. On the other hand, nobody likes something that he/she doesn’t understand so obviously we need also good teachers that can explain the subjects in an easy and fun way.
Jacobsen: Why do even profoundly gifted individuals expound, construct, or believe in, conspiracy theories?
Numa: It’s hard to tell. Some people have read and witnessed different things. I don’t believe in those because I don’t have the evidences for doing so, I am almost sure that I have them I would believe in them too. But in every discussion I see on the internet of such theories all I see is suspicion and distrust with no evidences, and very often it’s also a lack of scientifically knowledge of the people making the claiming. I see for instance a photograph of Earth taken from the International Space Station and such people see some flaws in the photograph and they say it’s false for some given reasons, but a person who actually knows about photography can realize that their claims make no sense.
Jacobsen: With “around 150” (S.D. 15), what does this set a cap on in life? What does this set as a range of great possibilities in life?
Numa: I have been told by many friends that I could have many achievements in life. This feeling is also common among gifted people. I think it’s part of the myths about giftedness and even a cause of so many people not accepting they are gifted. Intelligence is associated with success and success for many people can be for instance have a great job in which you earn a lot of money, it’s quite common. The expectations that people put in you depends also in how much they know about giftedness and how smart they think you are. I have friends who tell me that I could score over 170 or 180 and that I could make a great invention and things like that. I think that achievements require intelligence, yes, but also many other characteristics like motivation or social skills. On the other hand, psychologists declare four “levels” of giftedness: moderated, high, exceptional and profound. Many people don’t know that, they think that if you are gifted then you are among the smartest in the world automatically. So, putting high expectations on a gifted person is quite common, and I was not the exception. However, it’s quite clear to me at the moment that being gifted can indeed help me in my job and my career in general but it doesn’t necessarily mean I would have great achievements like some of my friends think. I am not actually a very perseverant person. I got used in school to get things fast and easily and it’s hard for me to make a great effort for learning or accomplishing something. All things that I have learned I have done it because it’s easier for me than the usual, some people tell me “if I had your intelligence” and I could reply “If I had your big perseverance”. This is also common among many gifted people according to what I have read.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 8, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-3; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with M.Sc. Ing. Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Christianity, the Bible, the Gifted, the God of the Christians, Prayer, and Life Possibilities: Member, World Genius Directory (3) [Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 8). Conversation with M.Sc. Ing. Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Christianity, the Bible, the Gifted, the God of the Christians, Prayer, and Life Possibilities: Member, World Genius Directory (3). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-3.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with M.Sc. Ing. Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Christianity, the Bible, the Gifted, the God of the Christians, Prayer, and Life Possibilities: Member, World Genius Directory (3). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-3>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with M.Sc. Ing. Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Christianity, the Bible, the Gifted, the God of the Christians, Prayer, and Life Possibilities: Member, World Genius Directory (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-3.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with M.Sc. Ing. Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Christianity, the Bible, the Gifted, the God of the Christians, Prayer, and Life Possibilities: Member, World Genius Directory (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-3.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with M.Sc. Ing. Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Christianity, the Bible, the Gifted, the God of the Christians, Prayer, and Life Possibilities: Member, World Genius Directory (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-3>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with M.Sc. Ing. Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Christianity, the Bible, the Gifted, the God of the Christians, Prayer, and Life Possibilities: Member, World Genius Directory (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-3.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with M.Sc. Ing. Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Christianity, the Bible, the Gifted, the God of the Christians, Prayer, and Life Possibilities: Member, World Genius Directory (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-3>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with M.Sc. Ing. Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Christianity, the Bible, the Gifted, the God of the Christians, Prayer, and Life Possibilities: Member, World Genius Directory (3) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-3.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 8, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
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Words: 1,612
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Abstract
Luca Fiorani is the first member of RealIQ Society by Ivan Ivec with an estimated IQ of 181.2 (σ15) combining 9 tests, where he studies and considers himself a philosopher in nuce. He discusses: some of the prominent family stories being told over time; an extended self; the family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; some professional certifications; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence necessary for genius; some work experiences and jobs; job path; the gifted and geniuses; philosophy, theology, and religion; science; some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; ethical philosophy; social philosophy; economic philosophy; political philosophy; metaphysics; worldview-encompassing philosophical system; meaning in life; meaning; an afterlife; the mystery and transience of life; and love.
Keywords: genius, intelligence, IQ, life, love, Luca Fiorani, meaning, philosophy.
Conversation with Luca Fiorani on World War II, Geniuses, Philosophies, Meaning, Life, and Love: First Member, RealIQ Society (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Luca Fiorani[1],[2]*: Back to the origins! I like this approach, it’s interesting. In the past, in its remotest aspects or areas, is perhaps hidden more truth than we usually believe. Family stories? My maternal grandfather was a key-figure. He was one of the Partigiani, The Italian resistance movement which fought against Fascism and Nazism during World War II. His stories were about: bravery, fortitude, daring. ‘Giving up is not an option’ – this maxim summarizes almost everything.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Fiorani: Yes, indeed. Cognition of our roots, in my perspective, fortifies our Self – our own perception of inner phenomena and the connection with a milieu; awareness invariably leads to significance.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Fiorani: My family lived and lives in Tuscany and Liguria. Its cultural level – firstly in terms of education – has always been medium-high, all things considered. My family traditionally embraces Catholicism, nevertheless not in a too rigid way.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Fiorani: I was a loner, as a child and as an adolescent. But I had social skills, and it wasn’t hard for me to make friends. But this happened sporadically. I had tendency for becoming estranged, I cut myself off reality often. I have never been grouchy, but simply I preferred my mind and its simulations to people.
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and trainings earned by you?
Fiorani: I’m still studying. I’m still trying to get the proper credentials for achieving something non-negligible in my eventual professional life.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Fiorani: Two goals: cognitive assessment and cognitive entertainment. Generally speaking, the first one is the most noble. For instance, a multi-componential analysis of cognitive abilities (as in WISC-IV and V for children, and WAIS-IV for adults) is surely relevant, from a diagnostic point of view as well. It’s not all about ‘IQ’ and a single number there, but also pointing out strengths and weaknesses of the individual. If you detect mental retardation or, conversely, giftedness you may proceed accordingly. The examples made are rather simplistic. I can’t expatiate too much withal.
The ‘cognitive assessment purpose’ can be pursued also through high range IQ tests, if their quality is acceptable. A single result won’t suffice. In order to get a reliable estimate of your IQ you need to take several tests. HRTs are usually untimed, but they can also be timed. The most common and broad fields of high range testing are: verbal, spatial, numerical and mixed/composite. In order to know your IQ, you’ll need a wide spectrum of data. If your aim is exactitude, you’ll need attention to details (stats of the test, norming method, etc.) as well.
It’s not uncommon, though, that one may try HRTs as a hobby or something similar. That’s the cognitive entertainment. You take them ‘for fun’, for the pleasure of solving challenging puzzles, the eureka moment of decoding a riddle, and so on. It’s not unusual that a competitive attitude takes place. If the competitive aspect is not pervasive is fine. If HRTs become an addiction and your mindset is too competitive, they should be avoided, since they lose their meaning and spirit, and the situation may become unhealthy. I speak according to my own experience.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Fiorani: As perceived by other people, since I was a boy, 7 years old. A teacher of mine told me: “You already are a thinker. You think in a superior way. More deeply, more comprehensively. You just think in a different manner”.
As discovered by IQ tests and psychometric tools, in 2015. I was 23 years old.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Fiorani: I suppose that the historical and socio-cultural contexts are crucial here. Geniuses may incarnate multiple facets of human being, and typically exaggerated. You can idolize or reject; it’s our nature. Divinizing or demonizing what we can’t comprehend fully. The most entrenched vision of things is dualistic. View of existence can become Manichean, then. Not necessarily. Seldom we give away this Weltanschauung, though; it’s conscious but unconscious too, it’s a-rational and pre-rational mostly, then it’s rationalized.
Geniuses can go against a status quo, a paradigm, etc., so they might become a threat. Au contraire, sometimes they’re the inspiration needed for a revolution. Treatment of geniuses depends on the current predominant necessities, from epoch to epoch.
The ones alive today perhaps are mainly camera shy ’cause are against this liquid society… of surface, appearance, facade, emptiness, moral and conceptual non-substantiality… La société du spectacle, a society of exhibitionism, and then Homo vacuus.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Fiorani: The list is too long, to be honest with you. Plato, Dante Alighieri, Leonardo da Vinci, Gottfried Leibniz, Werner Heisenberg, Jacques Lacan, Kurt Gödel: these are good examples.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Fiorani: Briefly, the actualization of a potential. This actualization becomes an offer to mankind. A genius creates – originality, innovation, uniqueness: trademark of an actual genius. Geniuses are pioneers and precursors, and not epigones. Geniuses change how we view things.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Fiorani: Almost always, yes.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and jobs held by you?
Fiorani: None. (see above)
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Fiorani: I cannot reply for self-evident reasons.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Fiorani: About high IQ individuals there are indeed myths to debunk. One of these, to me, is the idea of the high IQ person as cold, impassive, with scarce inclination for emotions overall. That’s simply a hoax. People tend to simplify things, categorizing a priori and labelling – it’s easier: less effort, less stress.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Fiorani: Religion is one of the fundamental ways through which humanity expresses itself: the relevance of religions – as a trans-cultural and omnipresent phenomenon – is unquestionable: history, sociology and anthropology demonstrates the fact abundantly.
About God. I quote an apophthegm which condenses a lot: καλούμενός τε κἄκλητος θεὸς παρέσται [Greek]/vocatus atque non vocatus Deus aderit [Latin]… Which in English is: “Bidden or not bidden, God shall be present”.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Fiorani: The role of science is essential and irrevocable. Science can be a perfect antidote to any absolutism and any relativism, simultaneously – both the instances lead to a dead-end street, from an epistemological and gnoseological perspective, but also from an existentialist point of view.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Fiorani: I scored > 170 σ15 on normed high range IQ tests designed by: Theodosis Prousalis, Xavier Jouve, Ron Hoeflin, Jonathan Wai, James Dorsey, Iakovos Koukas, Nick Soulios. And also others.
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Fiorani: I consistently score above 160 σ15 (if my effort is optimal); rare exceptions. I also have a couple of 180+ σ15. My strongest area is the verbal one but I can consider myself a versatile test-taker, having scored 165+ σ15 in all main fields of high range testing (verbal, numerical, spatial, mixed; untimed and also timed).
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Fiorani: Kantianism.
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Fiorani: Rousseauism.
Jacobsen: What economic philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Fiorani: Liberalism.
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Fiorani: notably cf. A Theory of Justice (John Rawls, 1971).
Jacobsen: What metaphysics makes some sense to you, even the most workable sense to you?
Fiorani: Spinozism. »Philosophieren ist Spinozieren«, as Hegel unerringly said.
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Fiorani: Nietzscheanism.
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Fiorani: Ich und Du relationship. To put it simply, intersubjectivity. The others. (anti-solipsistic view)
Jacobsen: Is meaning externally derived, internally generated, both, or something else?
Fiorani: Externally and internally derived, in synchrony.
Jacobsen: Do you believe in an afterlife? If so, why, and what form? If not, why not?
Fiorani: About this, ἐποχή (epoche), id est ‘suspension of judgment’, is my best answer.
Jacobsen: What do you make of the mystery and transience of life?
Fiorani: Life always presents what Carl Gustav Jung called numinosum, ineffable sacred mystery.
Life’s impermanence enriches things, not the opposite. But we, by nature, are afraid of death and the end of things. The process of wisdom to think and sense otherwise is very slow, and arguably inexhaustible.
Jacobsen: What is love to you?
Fiorani: The most marvellous sentiment that we have.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] First Member, RealIQ.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 8, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Luca Fiorani on World War II, Geniuses, Philosophies, Meaning, Life, and Love: First Member, RealIQ Society (1) [Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 8). Conversation with Luca Fiorani on World War II, Geniuses, Philosophies, Meaning, Life, and Love: First Member, RealIQ Society (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Luca Fiorani on World War II, Geniuses, Philosophies, Meaning, Life, and Love: First Member, RealIQ Society (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Luca Fiorani on World War II, Geniuses, Philosophies, Meaning, Life, and Love: First Member, RealIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Luca Fiorani on World War II, Geniuses, Philosophies, Meaning, Life, and Love: First Member, RealIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Luca Fiorani on World War II, Geniuses, Philosophies, Meaning, Life, and Love: First Member, RealIQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Luca Fiorani on World War II, Geniuses, Philosophies, Meaning, Life, and Love: First Member, RealIQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Luca Fiorani on World War II, Geniuses, Philosophies, Meaning, Life, and Love: First Member, RealIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Luca Fiorani on World War II, Geniuses, Philosophies, Meaning, Life, and Love: First Member, RealIQ Society (1) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/fiorani-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 8, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,286
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Rick Rosner and I conduct a conversational series entitled Ask A Genius on a variety of subjects through In-Sight Publishing on the personal and professional website for Rick. This series with Christian and Matthew build on this idea. Dr. Christian Sorensen earned a score at 185+, i.e., at least 186, on the WAIS-R. He is an expert in Metaphysics and Philosophy. Matthew Scillitani earned a score at 190, on Psychometric Qrosswords. He is an expert in Social Media Marketing and Web Development. Both scores on a standard deviation of 15. A sigma of ~5.67+ for Christian – a general intelligence rarity of more than 1 in 136,975,305, at least 1 in 202,496,482 – and a sigma of 6.00 for Matt – a general intelligence rarity of 1 in 1,009,976,678. Neither splitting hairs nor a competition here; we agreed to a discussion, hopefully, for the edification of the audience here. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population. This amounts to a joint interview or conversation with Dr. Christian Sorensen, Matthew Scillitani, and myself. They discuss: mental illness developing in reaction to the environment; placing all attribution externally; the early bloomers; the late bloomers; the cases of individuals with profound general intelligence while becoming hyper-normal; identify the gifted, the highly gifted, the exceptionally gifted, the profoundly gifted, and the immeasurably gifted; friendships and dating; marriage and having a family; and psychological dysfunction.
Keywords: Christian Sorensen, dating, family, friendship, genius, marriage, Matthew Scillitani, mental health, relationships.
Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Matthew Scillitani on Early and Late Bloomers, The Gifted Arrow, Marriage, and Dysfunction: Independent Metaphysician & Philosopher; Social Media Marketer & Web Developer (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So, we’ve set out some personal opinions of mental wellness and mental illness, youth and adulthood, a prodigy and a genius, early bloomers and late bloomers, formal psychiatric conditions and genius, relationships and genius, intelligence and IQ, and some desired directions for the discussion.
Mental wellness and mental illness seem to represent a multifactorial set of ranges with either as a set of antipodes one set from another set depending on the variables taken into account. Within this context, prodigies and the gifted develop asynchronously.
Their emotional development does not match the rapid intellectual development, typically. Does this seem to relate to the potential for mental illness developing in reaction to the environment, e.g., feeling constantly out of place, misunderstood, rejected, etc.?
Dr. Christian Sorensen[1]*: I think that the root cause, that triggers in prodigies and geniuses, the development of mental illnesses, is rather the reaction from the environment, than the asynchronous development between emotionality and intellectuality, since if the issue as such, is thought from an inverse logic, that is to say, by conserving the asynchrony, but at the same time, converting environment variables to their opposites, as independent ones, then it is possible to deduce, that the development of mental illnesses is not only reversible, but also that environment variables, can act as resilience factors, which would therefore means, that asynchrony in itself, is indifferent, while environment is not, because meanwhile the former, from my point of view, is ontophylogenetic, and in consequence, paradoxically is always ego syntonical, the last instead, since is what I’m going to name ego interfering, never will be a priori harmonizable.
Matthew Scillitani[2],[3]*: Absolutely. Intellectually developing faster than one’s peers often comes at the cost of alienation, bullying, and rejection. There is probably a moderate positive correlation between being intellectually and emotionally mature, but it is not perfect, and the children whose intellect exceeds their emotional maturity are disposed for neurosis. This isn’t all bad though. Social rejection is usually necessary for an intelligent child to develop into a genius. It’s pressure on the coal that makes a diamond.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on a common sentiment of feeling bad as, things not working out for, the gifted in personal and/or professional life while placing all attribution externally? As in, they do not consider or own the possibility of having a rotten personality.
Sorensen: I think that with giftedness, it is not a matter of having or not a broken personality, but rather, it has to do with the question of owning, an absence of willingness, for adapting successfully with the environment, that concretely expresses, as a denial of modulation, with respect to critical attitudes, that intend to refute objectified realities through supposed believed truths.
Scillitani: I think it is a scape-goat to say external factors, like one’s peers, are always the cause of the genius’ misery. In truth, the genius is very weird. Unfortunately, so weird that they will never fit in and conform to cultural behaviour standards. It’s not nice, but many people avoid odd people like the plague, including the genius. They’ll eat his food but not dine with him, so to speak.
Jacobsen: For the early bloomers, any thoughts on those who merely bloom early and other explode, as prodigies, early? What is the dividing line there?
Sorensen: I think that prodigies, as such, do not exist. What exists instead, are gifted, to whom the environment, gives or not, the opportunity to manifest their cognitive potentialities. Therefore, the dividing line, is not between prodigy and the non-prodigies, but rather between, giftedness and a particular environment, which in itself, may or may not facilitate that prodigiousness takes place.
Scillitani: The dividing line is probably just the moment the precocious child’s skill or intellect falls close to or at average for their age group. This seems extremely typical of girls, by the way. Young girls both start and end development earlier than boys. The average girl is a year or two more cognitively developed than boys until around age 16 when the boy’s catch up and both meet at the mean.
Jacobsen: For the late bloomers, what would seem like the upper age limit for this if any?
Sorensen: For those that bloom late, the limit more than being associated to age, would be given by a determined condition, that I’m going to denominate coefficient of deterioration, which as it rises, and approaches to the value of 1, as maximum, will proportionally be more restrictive, with respect to the possibility of hatching.
Scillitani: Probably the end of puberty. If someone hasn’t ‘bloomed’ by then they’re almost certainly not ever going to.
Jacobsen: What about the cases of individuals with profound general intelligence while becoming hyper-normal, as in over-bland and adjusted to norms to a fault?
Sorensen: In fact, this can happen up to the level of profound general intelligence, therefore above that point, which actually coincides with unmeasurable geniuses, it is extremely rare for it to occurred, since the last would imply a logical counter-sense.
Scillitani: That’s surprisingly really common. Most, maybe 3 in 5, highly intelligent adults seem to be hyper-conformists. This is speculative, but it may be that intelligent people are much more efficient at behavioural conditioning because they learn faster. And, because we are constantly conditioned to behave in certain ways by our schools, peers, parents, ‘experts’, employers, and so on, they’re adapting to the customs of nearly every group they’re in. That doesn’t mean they actually believe what they’re doing is right though – only that they should best do it for one reason or another.
Jacobsen: In personal life, how do you observe or identify the gifted, the highly gifted, the exceptionally gifted, the profoundly gifted, and the immeasurably gifted? Or, how might you do this?
Sorensen: The first three, are generally highly successful individuals, both professionally and socially, nevertheless, they will use to have as common trait, an intense autoerotic fixation on intelligence. The profoundly gifted, on the other hand, frequently also are successful professionally, however, unlike the previous ones, tend to have more social adaptation difficulties, although in the fields of knowledge and creativity, they used to be recognized for their contributions, which sometimes can be considered genial, though however, they mostly exhibit, the presence of the same autoerotic issue, in relation to their failed child psycho-sexual development. Regarding unmeasurable geniuses, it is highly probable instead, that there will never be the possibility of knowing any of them, and contrary to the rest of the gifted, they are never going to be socially adapted, nor professionally successful. Generally, these geniuses, ironize with the measurements of intelligence, because they mock of psychometric constructs, since perceive in them, a sign of cognitive clumsiness, that reflects the classic poor functioning, of the types of thinkings, that are operationally concrete. Likewise, and rarely, except if it’s posthumously, their achievements never are going to be recognized as genialities, and almost always, will exhibit self-referentiality, as a characteristic feature, when they express themselves ideationally, since dispense with the ideas of others, and they do not idealize anyone.
Scillitani: I don’t think I actively do that too much. If we try to identify people’s intelligence by their actions, it’s actually pretty difficult. Intelligent people still make mistakes, are still able to have delusions, can still be impulsive or unethical, or have almost any other negative behaviour or belief. We have to just use our best judgement when trying to determine that. When we’re close to someone and hear their more private thoughts it usually becomes obvious whether they’re smart or not.
Jacobsen: Does higher intelligence help or hinder friendships and dating? Does this ever become an impediment at a certain level of intelligence or in certain circumstances? It is reported more intelligent and accomplished women have a harder time finding life partners, as an example.
Sorensen: I think that with respect to higher intelligence, in relation to friendships and datings, there is a sort of Gauss curve, since as intelligence level increases, interpersonal relationships are facilitated, nevertheless at a certain point, that coincides with profound giftedness, the interaction between both variables, begins to become more difficult and enters into a growing inertia, since the increase in intelligence beyond that level, is correlated as fact, with the appearance of certain personality patterns, that have to do with obsessive traits, and impatient behaviors , that are related in turn, with moody attitudes, which lead to provoke in others, diverse chain reactions of rejection and boredom. Highly intelligent women, instead, present a different pattern, when it comes to having difficulties in finding lasting partners, since the cause actually lies in themselves, because rather than not being the affected ones, due to what for me is the minimalism syndrome, caused in men, subjectively speaking and not necessarily as gender, they suffer instead, of what I will name the syndrome of the enchanted prince, which pushes women, to a state of chronic disappointments and disenchantments. I believe, that the underlying issue at this level, is structurally speaking, that female love is essentially a sort of intellectualizing motor, and therefore needs for its existence, of a necessary condition, that has to do with the feeling of admiration, towards who is by her side, since beyond her will, the last , is the only setting in which, she can feels emotionally and comfortably committed, in order to project herself, in a couple relationship.
Scillitani: I think it’s probably helpful to be smarter, especially in dating since figuring out how romantic relationships work is itself a really difficult puzzle to solve. When combined with a psychiatric disorder though, there are still serious problems that can cause both friendships and dating to be almost impossible. As for your example that more intelligent women have a harder time finding life partners; that may not be because of their intelligence. I imagine smart women also focus more on their education and careers and those things take away from time that could be spent searching for a romantic partner.
Jacobsen: Does higher intelligence help or hinder marriage and having a family with children? You’re both married. So, this can be an interesting take across generations too.
Sorensen: Categorically speaking, the difficulty, is with those intelligences that are above profound giftedness. According to this context, it could be stated, that there would not be any iatrogenic effects, and that even a higher intelligence, can be a facilitating force, if positively and only positively, woman has an emotional coefficient, significantly higher than the intellectual coefficient of her husband, since the last, would be the resilience core, that makes possible for peace and harmony to prevail, and reign, not only with children, but also as family and at home.
Scillitani: I’m sure it’s helped me with my marriage and probably helps others as well. I’m not sure about the children part because I’ve not yet had any but we raise our pet dachshund very well I think.
Jacobsen: Vincent van Gogh cut his ear off in a fit. Also, Abraham Lincoln, Leo Tolstoy, and Charles Dickens may have had depression. Ludwig von Beethoven, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, and Winston Churchill may have had bipolar disorder. Edvard Munch may have had panic attacks. Michelangelo may have had autism. Charles Darwin may have had agoraphobia. Kurt Godel may have had persecutory delusions. Isaac Newton may have had autism, bipolar, and/or schizophrenia. It’s a mixed bag. Leonardo Da Vinci, at the same clip, didn’t seem to suffer from mental illness; only the stresses coming from the persecutions of the Roman Catholic Church, and its influence on the culture in anti-homosexual sentiments and theology. Some claim ADHD due to procrastination. However, many of the productions by Da Vinci took long-term focus in the moment and long-term planning over many years. Thus, this lattermost seems unlikely to me. At the higher levels of intelligence and achievement, we seem to note trends in some cases of mental illness correlated with emotional and psychological dysfunction. Does profoundly high intelligence seem as if a nitro on psychological dysfunction? That is, if present, it becomes more extreme than ordinarily.
Sorensen: Profound giftedness, from my point of view, is a relatively low level of intelligence, about which, I don’t have much to say, therefore I will refer exclusively, from the perspective of unmeasurable giftedness. I consider that only those psychological disorders, that are of psychogenic etiology, as opposed to those that are of endogenous origin, fundamentally biological ones, and in consequence, that do not affect the capacity of judgement regarding reality, are in general, the ones aggravated not per se, but indirectly, by levels of intelligence above profound giftedness, and therefore, as long as they refer only, to the traits of certain typologies of personality. In this sense, such level of intelligence, would accentuate mental disorders, since cognition, in comparison to their lower levels, would allow to have a greater degree of insight regarding dysfunctional behaviors, which if it’s added to an ironic and irreverent attitude, it should then lead, through what I will denominate as projective mediative resource, to a increased self-consciousness, that would act as a double vision mirror, which enables to mock either of oneself or of others, depending if what is ultimately searched, is the catharsis to compensate circularly, the rejection felt from the environment.
Scillitani: Intelligence and psychiatric illness are a very dysfunctional but interesting couple. Being intelligent probably makes psychiatric disorders not as severe, but when they’re configured perfectly it causes genius to happen. If Van Gogh, for example, were not smart then he’d just be a madman who cut off his ear. Instead, he’s a genius painter who cut off his ear. All geniuses have a touch of madness in them, I think.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Independent Metaphysician and Philosopher.
[2] Member, Giga Society.
[3] Individual Publication Date: January 8, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-scillitani-2; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Matthew Scillitani on Early and Late Bloomers, The Gifted Arrow, Marriage, and Dysfunction: Independent Metaphysician & Philosopher; Social Media Marketer & Web Developer (2) [Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-scillitani-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 8). Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Matthew Scillitani on Early and Late Bloomers, The Gifted Arrow, Marriage, and Dysfunction: Independent Metaphysician & Philosopher; Social Media Marketer & Web Developer (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-scillitani-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Matthew Scillitani on Early and Late Bloomers, The Gifted Arrow, Marriage, and Dysfunction: Independent Metaphysician & Philosopher; Social Media Marketer & Web Developer (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-scillitani-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Matthew Scillitani on Early and Late Bloomers, The Gifted Arrow, Marriage, and Dysfunction: Independent Metaphysician & Philosopher; Social Media Marketer & Web Developer (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-scillitani-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Matthew Scillitani on Early and Late Bloomers, The Gifted Arrow, Marriage, and Dysfunction: Independent Metaphysician & Philosopher; Social Media Marketer & Web Developer (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-scillitani-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Matthew Scillitani on Early and Late Bloomers, The Gifted Arrow, Marriage, and Dysfunction: Independent Metaphysician & Philosopher; Social Media Marketer & Web Developer (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-scillitani-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Matthew Scillitani on Early and Late Bloomers, The Gifted Arrow, Marriage, and Dysfunction: Independent Metaphysician & Philosopher; Social Media Marketer & Web Developer (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-scillitani-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Matthew Scillitani on Early and Late Bloomers, The Gifted Arrow, Marriage, and Dysfunction: Independent Metaphysician & Philosopher; Social Media Marketer & Web Developer (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-scillitani-2>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Matthew Scillitani on Early and Late Bloomers, The Gifted Arrow, Marriage, and Dysfunction: Independent Metaphysician & Philosopher; Social Media Marketer & Web Developer (2) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-scillitani-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 8, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 842
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Christopher Harding is the Founder of the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE), and a Member of OlympIQ Society and the ESOTERIQ Society. He was born on August 4, 1944 in Clovelly Private Nursing Home at Keynsham, Somerset, English, United Kingdom. He has never married. He arrived in Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia, in the morning of October 11, 1952. He remains there to this day. He has held memberships with the Eugenics Society (1963-1964), the British Astronomical Association (1964-1969), the International Heuristic Association (1970-1974), the Triple Nine Society (1979-1990 & 1992-1995), the 606 Society (1981-1982), the Omega Society (1983-1991), the Prometheus Society (1984-1990), the International Biographical Association (1985-1990), Geniuses of Distinction Society (1986-1988), the American Biographical Institute Research Association (1986-1990), the Cincinnatus Society (1987-1990), the 4 Sigma Group of Societies [incorporating all groups having 4 Sigma plus cut off points ] (1988-1990), The Minerva Society [Formerly the Phoenix Society] (1988-1990), The Confederation of Chivalry (1988-1990), the Planetary Society (1989-1990), Maison Internationale des Intellectuels [M.I.D.I.] (1989-1990), TOPS HIQ Society (1989-1990), the Cleo Society (1990-1991), the Camelopard Society (1991-1992), the Hoeflin One-in-a-Thousand Society (1992-1993), the Pi Society (also like the Mega Society for persons with 1 in one million I.Q. level (5th April 2001 – 2002), INTERTEL [The International Legion of Intelligence] (June 1971-March 2010), The Hundred (1972-1977), the New Zealand National Mensa (1980-1982), and the Single Gourmet (1989-1991), among numerous other memberships, awards, and achievements. For the most recent or up-to-date information, please see the ESOTERIQ Society listing: https://esoteriqsociety.com/esotericists/esoteriq-id06/. He discusses: growing up; a sense of the family legacy; the family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; qualifications; purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence necessary for genius; some work experiences; job path; the idea of the gifted and geniuses; the God concept or gods idea; science; some of the tests taken; the range of the scores; ethical philosophy; social philosophy; economic philosophy; political philosophy; metaphysics; philosophical system; meaning in life; meaning; an afterlife; the mystery and transience of life; and love.
Keywords: Christopher Harding, ESOTERIQ Society, genius, Intelligence, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry, Leonardo da Vinci, Quantum Physics.
Conversation with Christopher Harding on Royal Houses, Genius, Leonardo da Vinci, Test Ceiling Issues, Philosophy, Meaning, and Quantum Physics: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Chris Harding[1],[2]*: Where we came from and who we were.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Harding: They were depressing as I could not live up to them.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Harding: Varied. Mostly titled aristocracy and connections to Royal Houses.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Harding: Non-existent.
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and trainings earned by you?
Harding: None.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests for you?
Harding: They are something on the side.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Harding: 2 days before my first birthday. My parents had me tested. When speaking of me they were called liars to their faces.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Harding: I recall a quote from the Journal of the British Eugenics Society. “They want the Genius, but not its loathsome owner.”
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Harding: “Leonardo, complex solitary, a Master Genius in an age of Genius.” In his life, it was said of him,“It is beyond the power of nature to create another man like Leonardo,” yet his final recorded words were “I have failed mankind and I have failed God.”
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Harding: Genius is creative ability of the highest possible kind.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Harding: No, Genius implies the narrowing of intelligence.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and jobs held by you?
Harding: Absolutely nothing at all.
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Harding: I never did.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Harding: They march to the beat of their own drum.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Harding: God is purely human idealism; largely what you can’t attain. The Concept is set beyond what can be considered.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Harding: Science has become despoiled with its obsession with consensus and ignorance of the paradigm shift. Some one point Einstein to a newspaper article “One hundred against Einstein” to which he replied “It would only take one”. Less and less.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Harding: Several times scoring over plus six sigma.
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Harding: Ceiling limitations were the biggest problem; in which case I could finish them well and truly before the time limit was up. For these the test was useless.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Harding: None.
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Harding: None.
Jacobsen: What economic philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Harding: Also none.
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Harding: Also none. If you join a political group, you wind up as an apologist for them!
Jacobsen: What metaphysics makes some sense to you, even the most workable sense to you?
Harding: None.
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Harding: None, philosophy is word juggling!
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Harding: There is no meaning in Dictionaries only associations with other words: Meaning in life is the same; you make the meanings.
Jacobsen: Is meaning externally derived, internally generated, both, or something else?
Harding: Meaning is only a PATTERN.
Jacobsen: Do you believe in an afterlife? If so, why, and what form? If not, why not?
Harding: The only afterlife [an oxymoron] is the “truth” in QUANTUM PHYSICS: Just as in Classical Physics energy and matter can not be destroyed only converted one into the other; in Quantum physics information can not be gained or lost, it some how just IS.
Jacobsen: What do you make of the mystery and transience of life?
Harding: It like everything else is BOUNDED. This is a condition of being defined.
Jacobsen: What is love to you?
Harding: Love is simply TRANSFERENCE [See Freud].
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 8, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Christopher Harding on Royal Houses, Genius, Leonardo da Vinci, Test Ceiling Issues, Philosophy, Meaning, and Quantum Physics: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (1)[Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 8). Conversation with Christopher Harding on Royal Houses, Genius, Leonardo da Vinci, Test Ceiling Issues, Philosophy, Meaning, and Quantum Physics: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Christopher Harding on Royal Houses, Genius, Leonardo da Vinci, Test Ceiling Issues, Philosophy, Meaning, and Quantum Physics: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Christopher Harding on Royal Houses, Genius, Leonardo da Vinci, Test Ceiling Issues, Philosophy, Meaning, and Quantum Physics: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott ”Conversation with Christopher Harding on Royal Houses, Genius, Leonardo da Vinci, Test Ceiling Issues, Philosophy, Meaning, and Quantum Physics: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Christopher Harding on Royal Houses, Genius, Leonardo da Vinci, Test Ceiling Issues, Philosophy, Meaning, and Quantum Physics: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Christopher Harding on Royal Houses, Genius, Leonardo da Vinci, Test Ceiling Issues, Philosophy, Meaning, and Quantum Physics: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Christopher Harding on Royal Houses, Genius, Leonardo da Vinci, Test Ceiling Issues, Philosophy, Meaning, and Quantum Physics: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Christopher Harding on Royal Houses, Genius, Leonardo da Vinci, Test Ceiling Issues, Philosophy, Meaning, and Quantum Physics: Founder, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (1) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harding-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 8, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,990
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Masaaki Yamauchi is the Administrator of ESOTERIQ Society. He discusses: growing up; an extended self; the family background; the experience with peers and schoolmates; some professional certifications; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence necessary for genius; some work experiences and jobs; particular job path; the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; thoughts on the God concept or gods idea; science; some of the tests taken; the range of the scores; ethical philosophy; social philosophy; economic philosophy; political philosophy; metaphysics; worldview-encompassing philosophical; meaning in life; meaning; an afterlife; the mystery and transience of life; and love.
Keywords: administrator, background, ESOTERIQ, intelligence, IQ, Japanese, Masaaki Yamauchi.
Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Japanese Background, Intelligence Tests, and Philosophy: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Masaaki Yamauchi[1],[2]*: Not in Particular. I am ignorant of my old family background. My family was just a Japanese typical home and kept a family style. My father worked for a local government in a city hall and my mother was a housewife and Bento (Japanese lunch box) seller. I really loved Bento made by her. She passed away from a heavy disease in December 2017. If I am forced to say it, the person graduating from a college of the U.S.A. was only me, even though my grades were pretty poor as a child.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Yamauchi: I love my family, but I have never thought about my family legacy. Living and being are my family legacy, itself.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Yamauchi: My hometown is not a large city, just a countryside, which has kept only some 14,000 people as the population. 90% of the area is surrounded by rice and vegetable fields. I was there until graduating from high school. Almost typical Japanese people include my family, who belong to Buddhism in a superficial manner, but I personally have never held any religious dogma. Do you think that I have a lack of loyalty to a god?
I do not believe in a god because I know it. Honestly speaking, I myself am an extraordinarily spiritual person in spite of a lack of religious dogma. Spirituality is similar to religion, but not the same. It has no founder, no scripture, just believing myself no matter what happens in life.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Yamauchi: I pretty much enjoyed video games and comic books with my schoolmates. I really hated studying, especially Math and English. My academic grades were extremely low, almost the bottom rank of all students at the elementary and junior high school. Consequently, I had to go to the lowest grade high school in my hometown. When becoming a high school student, some inspiration and revelation came down into my mind, “Go to a college in the U.S.A, to study Math.” Hence, I began studying English very hard and read more than a few hundred books about math and physics in a library.
My parents were amazed at my change. However, I really loved reading many books. After high school, I chose the University of Central Oklahoma with a Math major and a Physics minor due to the cheap tuition. It is not well known, not a high ranking university, unlike the Ivy League, just a local college, but I pretty much enjoyed the campus life. Even now, I am appreciating lots of people I met there. At that time, I knew high IQ societies there too.
After getting a bachelor of mathematics from my college, I had a plan to go to a graduate school to get a master`s degree in mathematical physics, but many unavoidable unexpected happenings fell down on my life and family. My hometown is Fukushima, the Great East Japan Earthquake happened on March 11th, 2011. My family and hometown had almost no damage, but I was so sad to know that many people passed away.
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and trainings earned by you?
Yamauchi: No professional certifications and qualifications, except for a college degree and driver’s license.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Yamauchi: No purpose, just a statistical frequency on a normal distribution. Whatever any score above 100 or below 100 on IQ tests, it is a necessary frequency on the distribution. Let me tell you one example.
If all current people on Earth, all 8 billion individuals, take an IQ test at the same time, only one examinee of them can automatically archive either as the highest IQ195 or the lowest IQ5, respectively, because the rarities are exactly equal to 1 in 8 billion. Should we judge IQ195 scorer is smarter than IQ5 scorer?
I don’t think so.
If it does not happen to anybody subjectively, it always happens to somebody objectively in the world.
As the Esoteriq society administrator, I can profoundly guarantee that an intelligence value of IQ190 is absolutely equal to that of IQ10 because both of them occurs only 1 person in 1 billion on a symmetric normal distribution. It is nothing other than that.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Yamauchi: Do you mean that I have high intelligence? I have never thought that I am a genius or gifted, so I do not claim I am intelligent or smart. I have never discovered my own high intelligence in all of my life yet. Just that I have continued inquiring about something interesting I like. I do not care; no matter who considers that I am an eccentric, an idiot, and a strange individual.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Yamauchi: To be frank with you, it has nothing to do with me.
What historical geniuses were misunderstood by many people is undoubtedly a fact. So what?
Do you think Thomas Edison promoted human happiness?
My answer is both yes and no, it is a fact that the electric light bulb invented by him made us live at night anytime.
However, how many people got sick with insomnia or depression owing to night work?
In terms of another view, Edison may be the most terrible serious killer in all history. All things have both advantages and disadvantages.
Consequently, the treatment of geniuses does not make sense to me, since no one knows who a genius, abnormal, killer and lunatic is.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Yamauchi: It must be too esoteric a question that I founded the Esoteriq society to seek the answer, so it all sounds Griq (Greek) to me!
Let me be clear, that this is a kind of joking phrase between Dr. Katsioulis and me.
Griq is a nickname of himself, so “It all sounds Griq to me” implies both “It all sounds Greek to me” as a similar pronunciation to “I scream Ice Cream!”, and includes Dr. Katsioulis himself as my greatest genius.
By the way, seriously speaking, there was not any greatest genius in my theory. I suspect that you expect some answers like historical mathematicians and scientists.
No matter what great academic performance was not achieved only by one person. For instance, Albert Einstein discovered the theory of relativity, so should we estimate he is the greatest genius in human history?
I am pretty skeptical about it. It is a fact that the theory itself was discovered almost only by himself. However, the process up to that point was created by incalculable mathematicians, physicists and all the people who ever lived on the Earth. Some one hundred billion people have ever lived on the earth at most, so far. We cannot lose even one person, no matter if any is a dictator. All people have an individual meaning to existence. So to speak, whoever is the greatest genius about something. No best player can play alone. No greatest genius can achieve alone, even if Nobel prize winners.
In my personal opinion, I was influenced by Alfred North Whitehead, his process philosophy, an organic cosmological system in a metaphysical concept.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Yamauchi: I do not regard IQ and great educational achievement as a genius or an intelligent person. An individual being able to seek and realize hope, happiness, and enjoyment anytime and anywhere no matter what happens in life is a profound genius.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Yamauchi: Not necessary, but it may be important, sometimes, on a case by case basis.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and jobs held by you?
Yamauchi: A math teacher in a tutoring school for several years.
Then, I have been working for several manufacturing industrial factories up to now.
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Yamauchi: Do you mean why I have continued the Esoteriq administrator? If so, there is no specific reason. A long time ago, I established a high IQ society for only Japanese people to spread high IQ societies in Japan, but unexpected trouble happened to me. I had no choice to abandon the continuation of the society. After a while, I had continued thinking about a high criteria IQ society like the Giga society by Paul Cooijmans. I turned several pages on a TOEFL text I used for studying abroad and discovered the word “Esoteric” on the page. Suddenly, an inspiration came down into my mind “ESOTERIQ” after QIQ, GRIQ, CIVIQ, HELLIQ and OLYMPIQ by Dr. Katsioulis.
Incidentally, EVANGELIQ also founded after it.
I call the 7 societies: the WIN seven league.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Yamauchi: Generally speaking, in terms of psychometric definition, on the one hand, top 2% of people are called gifted or genius, on the other hand bottom 2% people are judged as an intellectual disability or mental retardation.
I have a different opinion about it.
If the top 2% of people are defined as a gifted person or a genius, the bottom 2% people also must be regarded as a gifted or genius because normal distribution is theoretically always a symmetry. Let me explain an easy statistical trick.
There are 1024 people in front of you.
All of them are separated into half as two groups (512 people×2).
Each half group would be playing the game of rock-paper-scissors.
The winners and losers would be separated into half as two groups again (256×2). If we repeat this again and again, a 10 times winner and 10 times loser would appear necessary.
Do the 10 times winner have more luck than the 10 times loser?
The answer is no because the probability of them is obviously the same as 2^10=1024
The luckiness of the 10 times loser is absolutely equal to that of the 10 times winner. Both of them are just an apparent frequency on a binomial distribution.
The normal distribution can be used as an approximation to the binomial distribution. Check the relationship between them.
http://mathcenter.oxford.emory.edu/site/math117/normalApproxToBinomial/
http://scipp.ucsc.edu/~haber/ph116C/NormalApprox.pdf
Everybody is a genius, has infinite potential to be a great person.
There is no moron of all humans who has ever lived on this planet.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Yamauchi: I am not a professional philosopher or theologian.
Additionally, I do not hold any religious dogma and belief as mentioned before. However, I know the existence of a god because all of us came from unconditional love, which is the beginning of our universe.
We are copy and child of a god, this is an afterlife knowledge mentioned below.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Yamauchi: I have never thought such things. I really have no idea.
We cannot escape from the GAFAM (Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft). I use them almost every day.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Yamauchi: No comment. It is a privacy question and I do not regard IQ score as human value and intelligence.
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Yamauchi: It does not make sense. I ended taking and researching IQ tests more than 15 years ago and have no intention to archive higher score anymore.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Yamauchi: Sorry, I may not catch up with the meaning of ethical philosophy. Just I have no intention of committing a crime.
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Yamauchi: Social sensitivity is the most important factor to develop a good human relationship in any community, group, company and organization even if high IQ societies.
Jacobsen: What economic philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Yamauchi: Money is energy. Don’t deposit out of fear for your future. Use everything to get a chance and change your future. Time is not money because time does not exist. Everything is an eternal now.
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Yamauchi: I am uninterested in politics. I do not care no matter who become a president or prime minister. It is an imaginary story in another world to me.
Jacobsen: What metaphysics makes some sense to you, even the most workable sense to you?
Yamauchi: If you define metaphysics as a kind of spiritualism, all humans were born from the beginning of universe, 13.8 billion years ago.
Everything is a miracle, everything is a neutral, everything is for your future. Time will come from future to past, not past to future.
All causes occur by a reason from future, not a past event.
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Yamauchi: You are the only one perfect existence of 8 billion people in the world. A unique sapiens in 100 billion of all humans who have ever lived on the Earth. Everybody is one in 8 billion, one in 100 billion on human history.
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Yamauchi: Meaning in life is to respond to an event you encounter.
An English word, “Responsibility” comes from the combination of “Response” and “Ability.”
Every event is a neutral, so you have a responsibility to respond to it with your ability. This is my meaning in life.
Jacobsen: Is meaning externally derived, internally generated, both, or something else?
Yamauchi: According to “Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus” by Ludwig Wittgenstein, “The limits of my language mean the limits of my world.”
This question is beyond my language limit.
As following the last proposition,
I cannot speak, therefore I must be silent
Jacobsen: Do you believe in an afterlife? If so, why, and what form? If not, why not?
Yamauchi: We will never die since “Death is not an event in life, we do not experience death” on “Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus” by Ludwig Wittgenstein.
Anyway, talking seriously, I do not believe in an afterlife because I know it.
“Believe” still remains doubtfulness, but there is absolutely certainness on “know.” We do not believe in the Sun because we know it!
I do not have any religious dogma or belief, but death is not actually the end of our life. This is not a metaphysical word trick. Death is just the beginning of the next life. Afterlife, past-life, and reincarnation undoubtedly exist. We can meet some important people again when we come back to this world. In terms of quantum theory, human consciousness does not come from our brain itself. Our consciousness temporarily falls within a brain, then it will move into the non-physical world when we die, then the same consciousness will be pregnant a different body someday.
Where is our consciousness while we are sleeping?
It moves to a non-physical world, which is called an afterlife world, and does not keep staying in your brain itself.
The sleeping dream is regarded as a re-synthesis of a daily memory by a hippocampus in terms of neuroscience, but the nearest world to an afterlife.
When we wake up, our consciousness comes back to your brain immediately, so we die in every day for 8 hours and come back to the same physical body to live during another 16 hours. We have yesterday`s memory because our hippocampus always keeps a bridging between past and future memory.
In my opinion, past-life-memory exists in the basal ganglia and cerebellum, which are controlled procedure memory.
Let me introduce strongly recommended books and webs about it
“The Emperor`s New Mind” by Roger Penrose
“I am Not a Brain” by Markus Gabriel
“Proof of Heaven” by Eben Alexander
“Ultimate Journey” by Robert Monroe
“Afterlife knowledge Guidebook” by Bruce moen
Afterlife TV with Bob Olson: https://www.afterlifetv.com/
The Monroe Institute: https://www.monroeinstitute.org/
Jacobsen: What do you make of the mystery and transience of life?
Yamauchi: As mentioned above, everybody has each own purpose of existence, no matter when and how we die. Every metempsychosis exists at the same time in different countries and eras in terms of quantum time.
My soul copies (not biological clone) are concurrently living both past and future on this planet.
An English word, “Remember” separated into two words “Re” and “member”. You know why?
When you meet somebody somewhere, you remember past-life relationship with the person.
You remember a memory belong to the same group together a long time ago in a past-life.
“Re” and “member” stand for “again” and “meet together” respectively, so “Remember” implies “we have met already before a long time ago”; although, you meet the person for first time in all of this life.
If I die in this life, I will meet some important people again in my next life with a different body to “remember this life”.
Jacobsen: What is love to you?
Yamauchi: The beginning and end of all things includes myself, yourself and everything itself.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 8, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Japanese Background, Intelligence Tests, and Philosophy: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (1)[Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 1). Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Japanese Background, Intelligence Tests, and Philosophy: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Japanese Background, Intelligence Tests, and Philosophy: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Japanese Background, Intelligence Tests, and Philosophy: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Japanese Background, Intelligence Tests, and Philosophy: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Japanese Background, Intelligence Tests, and Philosophy: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Japanese Background, Intelligence Tests, and Philosophy: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Japanese Background, Intelligence Tests, and Philosophy: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Masaaki Yamauchi on Japanese Background, Intelligence Tests, and Philosophy: Administrator, ESOTERIQ Society (1) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/yamauchi-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,731
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Rick Rosner and I conduct a conversational series entitled Ask A Genius on a variety of subjects through In-Sight Publishing on the personal and professional website for Rick. This series with Christian and Matthew build on this idea. Dr. Christian Sorensen earned a score at 185+, i.e., at least 186, on the WAIS-R. He is an expert in Metaphysics and Philosophy. Matthew Scillitani earned a score at 190, on Psychometric Qrosswords. He is an expert in Social Media Marketing and Web Development. Both scores on a standard deviation of 15. A sigma of ~5.67+ for Christian – a general intelligence rarity of more than 1 in 136,975,305, at least 1 in 202,496,482 – and a sigma of 6.00 for Matt – a general intelligence rarity of 1 in 1,009,976,678. Neither splitting hairs nor a competition here; we agreed to a discussion, hopefully, for the edification of the audience here. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population. This amounts to a joint interview or conversation with Dr. Christian Sorensen, Matthew Scillitani, and myself. They discuss: mental wellness and mental illness; a youth from an adult; a prodigy from a genius; a reasonable point at which to separate an early bloomer from a late bloomer; psychiatric conditions in relation to genius; genius, dating, friendships, love, and marriage; intelligence from IQ; parts of IQ with intelligence; and desired directions for this meta-analytic discussion.
Keywords: Christian Sorensen, genius, Matthew Scillitani, mental health, relationships.
Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Matthew Scillitani on Genius, Mental Health, and Relationships: Independent Metaphysician & Philosopher; Social Media Marketer & Web Developer (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Some interviewees prefer short, open-ended questions. Other interviewees prefer long prefaces punctuated by a question or a series of questions. Sorry to any readers present or future who happen to read some of the works here or elsewhere, sincerely and gently, with particular preferences in reading kinds and forms of questions, the materials can restrict or constrain some of the reading due to a number of factors. Some relate to the preference of the interviewee or interviewees. Others may have a relationship with the coda statements seemingly requisite to move onto the next part of the interview or to make a final statement about this or that particular topic. So on and so forth, nonetheless, this series, probably, will commit to an admixture of them. Our subject matter, in general, for this mediated discussion are intelligence, IQ, mental wellness, mental illness, youth and adults, prodigy and genius, early bloomers and late bloomers, psychiatric disorders tied to genius, relationships (friendship, dating, and marriage) and genius, while within a ‘deep dive’ or a meta-analytic framework of comprehension. To begin, let’s get some personal opinions or individual definitions of the above categories before moving into the more formal discussion and then trying to bring everything under the same roof, what are mental wellness and mental illness to you?
Dr. Christian Sorensen[1]*: Both, mental wellness and mental illness, from my point of view, are relative and variable categories, since they respectively depend on temporal circumstances, and they are metamorphoseable nomenclatures. In turn, it could be stated, that these are definable, from a perspective, that I will denominate of introjection and of extra introjection, depending on whether it is done, from what I’m going to name, the consciousness of illness, or whether it is effectuated, from an external objectifying typification.
Matthew Scillitani[2],[3]*: Mental wellness is, to me, more than just the absence of psychiatric disorders or peace of mind or whatever. It’s the ability to temper one’s emotions, be productive, mature, ethical, and rational, regardless of the presence of psychiatric disorders. We have all met someone who, in spite of not having any obvious psychiatric conditions, was lazy, unethical, immature, and so on; so the absence of psychiatric disorders and stress does not mean the person is mentally well.
In contrast, mental illness can be marked as the inability to rationalize well, the presence of delusions, laziness, melancholy, low stress-resistance, a weak ego, immaturity, et cetera. Actually, it’s probably that a weak ego is responsible for all of those things in the first place. I’ve noticed that many people who are mentally unwell seem to have a weak ego, which causes them to be more prone to disturbance and prolonged cognitive dissonance, which is extremely bad for one’s mental health.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a youth from an adult?
Sorensen: I think that what differentiates the two of them, is a psychological maturational criterion, that is related to the crystallization of the personality structure, particularly, with regard to the formation, of the identity of the self, and from an ethical point of view, with the capacity of moral judgement, for assuming responsibility, in relation to one’s own individual acts, which specifically refers, to the ability to make proper use of personal freedom, in terms of being able, to act in accordance with pre-established social norms, and therefore, to be capable to cognitively understand, the relationship that exists between rights and duties, both in the private and public spheres.
Scillitani: Biologically, probably just puberty. Psychologically, that is a hard question to answer. We cannot say it is rationality, or intelligence, or emotional maturity, or stress-resistance, or anything else because there are adults who have none of those things and some precocious children who have some or all of them. In an ideal world, all children would grow into smart, ethical, productive, satisfied adults who can live their lives effectively without the aid of others.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a prodigy from a genius?
Sorensen: A prodigy, is a precocious child in a certain field, who also dominates it, although this area, has already been invented. While a genius, is someone who manages to revolutionize, a certain sphere of knowledge.
Scillitani: Well, most prodigies are children who have committed thousands of hours towards practicing a learnable skill, like piano or mental math. These are things that are impressive but don’t require much intelligence to do. After all, a child can do them! A genius is someone, usually an adult, though there are a few cases of teenage geniuses, who are exceptionally intelligent, talented in their fields of study, and who, like the prodigy, commit thousands of hours towards their work. Many pianists can play Beethoven flawlessly, but only Beethoven was the genius for having written his music into existence. That is a genius. The prodigy can just play well.
Jacobsen: What seems like a reasonable point at which to separate an early bloomer from a late bloomer?
Sorensen: I think that what separates an early bloomer from a late bloomer, is the existential fact for a genius, of becoming aware about death, and therefore, of stop thinking that he is living life, and rather begin to think, about how long he will live.
Scillitani: Probably mid-puberty would be a good time to determine that. If a child is very precocious but they fizzle down to normal as a teenager then they were an early bloomer and if a child is behind their classmates but catches up sometime during puberty then they were a late bloomer. It may even be that a child is an early bloomer in some areas and a late bloomer in others. For a personal example, I was a very strong reader from an early age but was weak in math and couldn’t understand it no matter how hard I tried. Then, in high school, math was suddenly very easy to comprehend and I skipped four math grades!
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on more formal, precise psychiatric conditions in relation to genius?
Sorensen: I think that in general, in relation to genius, there are certain psychiatric patterns, that tend to repeat, especially in what concern, schizoaffective and mood troubles, which can manifest themselves, in a wide spectrum, ranging from personality disorders to psychotic syndromes.
Scillitani: O.C.D. (obsessive-compulsive disorder), O.C.P.D. (obsessive-compulsive personality disorder), Asperger Syndrome, Schizophrenia, A.S.P.D. (antisocial personality disorder), depression, and paraphilia are all related to genius. Psychiatric disorders are probably a requisite for genius, and the most common disorder held by nearly all geniuses is Asperger Syndrome. It seems that depression and sexual deviance are also common if not a requisite for genius. In the arts, like music and painting, schizophrenia is also very common, but less so in the sciences.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on genius, dating, friendships, love, and marriage relevant for the upcoming extended conversation?
Sorensen: I think of -1, since genius, dating, friendships, love, and marriage, not only strongly intersect between themselves, but also they interact each other, perfectly, nevertheless they do so, by an absolutely reverse way.
Scillitani: Most geniuses never marry, never have children, and have few or no friends, probably because of psychosocial problems related to psychiatric disorders like Asperger Syndrome and Schizophrenia. Some geniuses are lucky and manage to find a romantic partner but it’s very rare. The genius is usually also introverted and not interested in socializing anyway, preferring to live in his own world and focus his attention on his hobbies and work, which he excels in.
Jacobsen: What separates intelligence from IQ?
Sorensen: Everything separates them, since the IQ is not only a consensual unit of measurement, that represents intelligence, in my opinion, as a partial and relative reality which never hits the bottom, but also because both are essentially different, due to the fact, that they have natures, which in addition to being asymmetrical, they are besides, opposite between each other, since while the IQ, is always procedurally discursive, intelligence never is, and respectively, if reads reality, then the other does so, but instantly from its inside, without conjugating any sign.
Scillitani: Intelligence is a quality and I.Q. tests are a measuring tool. The challenge is that intelligence is much harder to precisely measure because it’s not as clear-cut as just putting a yardstick next to an object to measure height or something. What makes it even more difficult is that idiots can’t recognize high intelligence, and many of them decide to enter the field of psychology because it has almost no barrier for entry. So now we have many psychologists trying to measure intelligence but are not intelligent themselves, which results in less satisfactory measurement tools.
Jacobsen: What equates parts of IQ with intelligence?
Sorensen: There are no equitable parts between one and the other, since what exists, is rather a noetic analogy, in which through IQ, intelligence, is simply and reductively defined, as an ability to solve problems, in function, of different degrees of complexity, and lastly what the term of IQ signifies, refers to who defined it, since the very first time, that is to say, to what means a metric value, measured by certain refutable instruments.
Scillitani: I.Q. is a pretty good reflection of one’s intelligence when the test taken has high-quality items, is heterogeneous, and has a high g-loading, with a generous ceiling (and floor, in some cases) to allow for outliers.
Jacobsen: Any particular desired directions for this meta-analytic discussion on these subject matters or points to bear in mind as the conversation continues?
Sorensen: In relation to the term that I proposed, of meta-analysis, and regarding these subject matters, I would follow, an increasingly abstract direction, until getting to nothingness, in order to screen every detail, and fully discern the qualitative aspects of each one of them, since in that manner I would start castling the concept of metaphysics, with another one, that I will denominate meta-philosophy.
Scillitani: Sure. A good and relevant topic would be on the differences (if any) between the universal genius and the more niche genius, who is exceptional at one or two subjects but average or even bad at others. Does the latter even exist? If so, are they still a genius or something else entirely? We could also talk about the physical characteristics of the genius. For example, it’s sometimes said that the genius may have a larger head circumference relative to their body. Perhaps there is some truth to this?
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Independent Metaphysician and Philosopher.
[2]Member, Giga Society.
[3] Individual Publication Date: January 1, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-scillitani-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
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Abstract
Paul Cooijmans is an Independent Psychometitor and Administrator of the Glia Society, and Administrator of the Giga Society. He discusses: the observation of the limitations in the I.Q. societies in terms of speech; the various forms of “editorial changes and vicious manipulations” of content; some manifestations of the permissive admissions policies; how many people like censorship; moles and wolves in high-IQ societies; guarding against moles and wolves; how highly intelligent people can have an anti-intelligence view; mainstream intelligence tests; Cooijmans tests providing the best approximation of general intelligence; testing at an intended level; anomalies at or above 1 in 200 in general intelligence; a common conflation between education and intelligence level; some of the other higher-I.Q. societies founded since 1997; the evidence for having introducing the idea of high-range testing and higher-I.Q. societies to European societies; the main attraction for prospective members; comments on members joining, staying, or leaving; cultural Marxism; the popular Netherlandic saying, “Act normally, then you are already acting crazy enough”; the popular Netherlandic saying, “No one is allowed to stick out above the mowing field”; the effects over 2020 of some of the aforementioned trends; and any earlier gods than Thoth as considered potential names for the journal.
Keywords: censorship, cultural Marxism, freedom of speech, high-IQ societies, moles, Paul Cooijmans, wolves.
Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Censorship, Freedom of Speech, High-IQ Societies, Moles and Wolves, Cultural Marxism, and “Thoth”: Administrator, Glia Society (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: In terms of the observation of the limitations in the I.Q. societies at the time, what were the forms of “limited freedom of speech” and “censorship”?
Paul Cooijmans[1],[2]*: I suspect these quotations refer to previous answers I gave in the 2020 interview. In the 1990s I observed limited freedom of speech and censorship in several societies with varying pass levels in the following manners: When, in an article, I criticized a society’s admission policy and procedure, which did not function well in my perception, a response article followed from the society’s psychologist, who was on good terms with the journal editor. In this response, which contained much error on the substantial level, I was personally attacked and character-assassinated. When I tried to defend myself and correct errors in further responses, these were either not published or delayed and manipulated to make me look foolish, and then the psychologist was given the chance to respond to my manipulated response in the same issue, a few pages further, saying something like, “look what that silly Paul Cooijmans is writing there”. Obviously, I was never given the chance to respond in the same issue to what others wrote about me.
What also happened was that when I submitted an article, the editor removed things that were considered violations, always without my consent. On one occasion, I was even sent the altered version before publication; I contacted the editor at once to say I did not agree with the alterations and forbade publication of the altered version. This was ignored and the altered version was published despite my forbidding this. Then, I knew I was dealing with scum of the lowest kind.
Very telling was also that negative responses to my articles were frequently published, but positive responses only came directly to me from readers. Once, someone told me he had sent a letter-to-the-editor containing a positive remark about me; when the letter was published, he had seen, to his amazement, that said positive remark had been removed. Then, I knew I was dealing with irreparable editorial corruption.
More general observations about that society were that discussions in the journal were cut off (“this topic is now closed”) and that irony and humour seemed forbidden.
In another society with a higher pass level I observed that discussion of certain topics was “edited for length and civility”, which, in practice, meant that some viewpoints were less likely to appear in print, and the published material was biased toward one side of the debate. This concerned matters like tests and admission. Broadly speaking, there was a battle between those who wanted a strict admission policy with tests that actually discriminated at the intended level, and those who (secretly) wanted to admit anyone interested in membership, and therefore wanted as many tests as possible on the list of accepted tests, irrespective of the high-range validity (or absence thereof) of those tests. Only years later would I understand that this battle was, roughly, one between “liberals” and “conservatives”, and that the former group was principally against the concepts of I.Q. societies and I.Q. testing altogether and trying to destroy them from within. To them, the admission policy and testing were merely symbolic. In societies with formal democratic procedures, the “liberals” tended to win, because they received the votes from those who had only been able to join through the inflated admission policies promoted by the same “liberals”.
Jacobsen: Following the same line, what were the “editorial changes and vicious manipulations”? Also, why the “lack of fora for verbatim communication and publication” if any further reasons apart from the aforementioned?
Cooijmans: I explained a bit about vicious manipulations in the previous question; there were also general editorial changes that I have not yet mentioned, such as changing the title of an article, changing the word order of sentences, changing words, changing, adding, or removing commas, leaving things out, changing the division in paragraphs, removing white space, not italicizing a few words when so requested, removing irony and humour, and more. All of this was done without consulting or informing the author, and the result was often that one’s well-written work appeared in the journal as ungrammatical gibberish. When people complained, the editor would say they were “nitpicking about commas”, which was a pretty stupid thing to say because when you change commas you change meaning. Adding a comma may change a restrictive relative clause into a non-restrictive relative clause, for instance, and then suddenly that sentence says something entirely different!
Another grossly felonious instance of editorial change occurred when I submitted a puzzle, and the editor, without consulting or informing me, left out part of the instruction and changed (ruined) the puzzle itself. Subsequently, when no correct answers from readers had come in a month later, aforesaid editor commented in the journal that this was because I had provided a bad puzzle that had no real solution. No, he did not mention to the readers that he had altered the puzzle single-handedly without my knowledge. I believe these observations show a need for verbatim communication and publication fora.
Jacobsen: What are some of the theoretical and practical manifestations of the permissive admissions policies – “too permissive”?
Cooijmans: I would say that the experiences related in the previous two answers constitute practical manifestations of the results of overly permissive admissions policies. The looser the admissions standards, the more riff-raff is let in. Another such manifestation are the people I have often seen in these societies who talk about themselves as being “gifted”, or having discovered their “giftedness” through the test that qualified them. My observation is that many of these persons are not “gifted”, let alone intelligent, by very far, and that something has gone horribly wrong in the testing and admission procedure. It gets embarrassing when they speak of problems they have had in life because of being “gifted” and misunderstood; I have to constrain myself then not to tell them that they are not “gifted” and their problems have different causes.
A special case form people like psychologists, who have professional access to the contents and scoring keys of many tests, so that their own scores on the same must be seen in a certain perspective (that was euphemistic) and their presence in I.Q. societies in no way implies that their intelligence is at the intended level. More than once have I had the impression that such unqualified professionals had joined fraudulently with the express purpose to become active as admissions officers and further pervert the society’s admissions policy. This impression has only become stronger in recent years, when I saw some of them, now mostly retired, on social media, still being critical about strict testing and admission practices (read: still foaming at the mouth whenever my name is mentioned). The obvious cognitive decline with age makes it ever harder for them to uphold the mask of hypocrisy, so that their true nature comes out in glowing colours (“loss of decorum” is the precise psychiatric term).
An anecdote illustrating a practical manifestation of admission gone wrong: In the early 2000s, a certain person was active in an abundance of societies, publishing an unstoppable diarrhoea of articles that were notorious for their many errors and extremely bad style of writing. In 2004, an essay on the Madrid train bombings appeared from his capable hand, stating that the attacks had killed some enormous number of people (I believe two hundred thousand was the claimed number). Soon, a few readers gently pointed out to the diligent publicist that the actual death count was 193. Thereupon, the good author provided the editor with a corrected version of his masterpiece, wherein he… had changed something else but left the error intact. In such cases, I have always tried to investigate exactly what went wrong with testing and admission, and to adapt the admission policy to prevent reoccurrence.
Jacobsen: Why do “many people really like censorship and curtailed freedom of speech”?
Cooijmans: This question brings the present coronavirus situation to mind: Much of the world has been living more or less under authoritarian, fascist rule since the spring of 2020, yet the vast majority of people have absolutely no problem with that. The minority that protest comprise a bizarre amalgam of libertarians, alt-right individuals, conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, small business owners, performing artists, and maverick scientists. Historically, an abrupt move to authoritarianism has been the reflex to outbreaks of deadly infectious diseases (and incidentally, this may be the origin of the habit to call a strict, clean, rule-abiding individual “Nazi”). Reasons that so many applaud the restrictive measures and harsh punishments for offenders include fear of the disease, but also a certain pre-existing dislike of the independent thinkers that make up the protesters.
In I.Q. societies, censorship and curtailed freedom of speech tend to be unilateral, suppressing one side of the discussion. Those on the other side may experience the censorship as beneficial because it protects them from the confrontation with opposing views. Most people prefer not to see opposing views, and to surround themselves with like-minded folks.
Jacobsen: Why do some seem to “only join I.Q. societies to keep an eye on what is going on, or to destroy them from the inside, like a kind of moles or wolves in sheep’s clothes”? Other than the reason stipulated “anti-intelligence attitude.”
Cooijmans: It is a general phenomenon, not limited to I.Q. societies, for organizations to be infiltrated. The moles lie in ambush, waiting for compromising material to fall into their paws, which they may then make public to damage or destroy the organization. Engagement in sado-masochism, attendance of darkrooms or bareback parties, child pornography or paedophilia, eugenics, expressions of homophobia, racism, or – the holy grail – anti-Semitism. The infiltrators may act from a far-left ideological motivation, often belong to activist organizations, or they may even be paid actors; activism has “benefactors” with infinitely deep pockets who will not hesitate to finance this kind of spying, as well as demonstrations, propaganda, riots, terror attacks, or murder.
The first instance of such a scandal in the world of I.Q. societies, in my period of involvement in those societies, took place early 1995. In the journal of a certain I.Q. society, a member advocated the humane killing off of the old, the weak, the stupid, and the inefficient. Although the journal was strictly members-only, this article was instantly leaked out, resulting in an international scandal. The editor who published the article was dismissed, and many local branches of the society apologized to their members for the reputation damage the society had thus incurred. Never was the contents of the article taken seriously and discussed; the fuss was only about the society being publicly connected to the ideas expressed by the author.
Jacobsen: How can societies guard against these “moles” or disguised “wolves”?
Cooijmans: I am afraid that a bona fide organization, with an objective and fair admission policy such as I recommend, is powerless against infiltration. The moles have it easy to get in. Only advanced lie detection might keep them out. It should also be said that most of the I.Q. societies I have known contain very little “dirt” in this sense, but rather are havens of political correctness. Despite selecting for high intelligence, the societies are transparent to the outer world, and any subversive uttering or activity occurring in them is bound to leak out within hours.
How different is this in criminal organizations, where squealers are dealt with in soundproof rooms using bolt cutters, cigarette lighters, and other such tools of the trade. Not that I would want to threaten any I.Q. society moles with that, mind. Oh no. Such a thing could never occur to me.
Jacobsen: Why do some “highly intelligent people” have an “anti-intelligence attitude”?
Cooijmans: This conspicuous phenomenon has puzzled me for decades. Why do some of the most intelligent people propagate falsehood like “intelligence is not important or valuable in itself” or “a society of higher average intelligence is not a better society”? An obvious explanation would be that they be right, in which case we should all be relieved regarding the current downward trend of intelligence in the West. After all, it will not make society less civilized and more dangerous! There will be no increase of crime, violence, hatred, and misery, no loss of wealth, technology, and happiness. Alas! any objective study of the relation between intelligence and real-world functioning shows this to be false, and that the anti-intelligence propaganda of the intelligentsia is ideological in nature rather than scientific and factual.
The questions remains why highly intelligent individuals would (1) believe these things, or (2) pretend to believe them. Concerning the first, it is conceivable that a highly intelligent person, growing up with the present Marxist indoctrination and never encountering the science regarding intelligence (the “London school”, the hereditarians) keeps believing those doctrines well into adult life. An important factor is the psychological phenomenon of projection, which I have mentioned before but is so crucial that it bears repetition: The highly intelligent person, by default, involuntarily and unawares, assumes one’s own level of mental ability in all or most other people and is thus innately disposed to believe the Marxist-egalitarian dogmas. Those are attractive to such a person, they “feel right” and “ring true”. It takes some serious study and hard confrontation with reality to overcome this projection, as well as a wide associative horizon. I have long suspected that intelligent persons with narrow associative horizons (who do exist) are inclined to remain in their brainwashed states for all of their lives. Another factor that keeps the truth from these people is that the science of intelligence has been suppressed, pushed to the fringes, expelled from the academic world, as “scientific racism” or “hate”. So, for group (1), the explanation would lie in their personality combined with the indoctrinating environment, to which they have insufficient resistance due to a narrow associative horizon.
Regarding (2), this concerns intrinsically dishonest, evil entities who say one thing but believe the other. Yes, even though intelligence correlates positively and causally with all things good, the direction of causality being from intelligence to goodness, the correlation of intelligence with goodness is not unity (1, perfect). A class of intelligent, evil beings – one hesitates to call them humans – occupy vital segments of society and purposely spread crypto-political, pseudoscientific misinformation. They will tell us, “race is a social construct” but live in gated White communities themselves. They do not believe what they say but want us to believe it. Group (2) is really a caste, a set of genetic strains, possibly a species, that live among us in the guise of Homo sapiens. They consist of bloodlines wherein high intelligence has coagulated with evil after centuries of selective breeding; inbreeding (cousin-cousin, uncle-niece) to retain the desired unnatural combination of cognitive ability with insincerity, and occasional outbreeding to incorporate new blood and keep the outward appearance of humans. Without the outbreeding, they would begin to look unhuman, reflecting the fact that their configuration of personality traits is unhuman and anti-human.
Jacobsen: What mainstream intelligence tests seem to provide the best approximation of general intelligence?
Cooijmans: If educational tests like Miller Analogies Test, Scholastic Aptitude Test, and Graduate Record Examination are included, the older forms of those three are the only ones that I have observed to have some loading on general intelligence into the high range. The newer editions do not seem to have such, and another problem is that when people take those tests purposely (and sometimes repeatedly) to qualify for I.Q. societies, the tests’ “g” loadings disappear. They are only “g”-loaded when taken in their proper educational context, and not robust against determined attempts to obtain a super-high score.
I know of no other mainstream tests that have any noticeable “g” loading in the high range. If you are talking about the average range of intelligence, I can not answer from my own observation because I have only dealt with high-range tests.
Jacobsen: What Cooijmans tests seem to provide the best approximation of general intelligence?
Cooijmans: If I limit myself to the currently available tests for which there is enough data to answer this more or less objectively: Reason Behind Multiple-Choice – Revision 2008, The Marathon Test, Associative LIMIT, Test of the Beheaded Man, Cooijmans Intelligence Test – Form 3, Narcissus’ last stand, The Nemesis Test, Test For Genius – Revision 2016, Cooijmans Intelligence Test – Form 4, Cooijmans Intelligence Test 5. This is only about the high range.
Jacobsen: How can most other I.Q. societies treat homogeneous tests appropriately, so as to test at “their intended level”?
Cooijmans: If it concerns tests that possess validity around the intended level and there are no further problems with them (such as answer leakage) I would say that the Glia Society’s approach is best: Require qualifying scores on each of two such tests with different item types. Do not use methods to compute a “real I.Q.” from several test scores; that may result in inflated I.Q.’s.
Jacobsen: What seems to happen with anomalies at or above 1 in 200 in general intelligence rarity – of the more intelligent or the higher end of the curve – who happen to harbour delusions of grandeur, personality dis-order, supernaturalistic tendencies of thinking about the objects and relations in the natural world, or happen to have the inability for scientific rationality, skepticism, and logical reasoning? I am aware. You have written on these.
Cooijmans: I have no idea to which writing by me this could refer, but now that you ask, it is true that my general observation is that the ability to be rational and logical commences around the level of 1 in 200 in intelligence (the high end, not the low end). And indeed are there glorious exceptions, and I have been trying to understand, for a few decades now, how those come to be. Several causes seem to occur:
Full-blown psychosis is the easiest cause to recognize, also because it tends to subside within weeks or months, after which one may observe the subject in a more rational state.
Mild chronic psychosis is another frequent cause, and harder to identify. Some personality variants are forever on the brink of psychosis, but never develop an acute episode. Very, very evil tongues whisper that for typical women, this is actually the default state of being; of course, it would never occur to me personally, or to any sensible person for that matter, to make such a misogynistic suggestion, not even in jest. A point of concern in diagnosing this near-psychotic condition is that on a bad day, one may find oneself at the wrong end of the stick, that is, one may be delusional oneself while the other person is sane. Therefore it is necessary to frequently revisit and study in depth exactly those viewpoints that are at odds with what one has long believed or been taught. Those with a wide associative horizon possess this habit as an innate reflex, are obsessively drawn toward what violates the status quo of their knowledge, opinions, and attitudes.
Finally, there are entities that have some kind of interest, either financial, ideological, political, or ethnocentric, that discords with truth, logic, and righteousness. This makes them behave and express themselves in contrast with the rationality one would expect at their levels of intelligence.
Jacobsen: Why is there a common conflation between education and intelligence level, or amount of knowledge and general intelligence level?
Cooijmans: The essence is this: The correlations of intelligence with education and amount of knowledge are unidirectional, with the causality going from intelligence to those respective concepts. Higher intelligence is required for higher educational achievement, and higher intelligence causes one to store more knowledge in one’s long-term memory. It does not work the other way around; studying does not raise your intelligence, and putting more knowledge in your memory does not raise your intelligence. To believe such is a form of sympathetic magic, it is a reversal of causality.
For better understanding, one should know that part of higher intelligence is having a better working memory. The working memory, in turn, is the device that stores information in the long-term memory. With a better working memory, you are storing more in your long-term memory, whether you like it or not. This is why persons of higher intelligence have more general knowledge and a larger vocabulary; those are results, by-products, of the higher intelligence. Knowing this mechanism, it is easy to see that merely increasing one’s knowledge and vocabulary will not increase intelligence and working memory. The mechanism goes one way only.
Intelligence, including working memory, rests on physical properties like the number of cortical neurons, neural conduction velocity, the quality of the insulation material around the axons, and the energy-efficiency of the brain (the efficiency of the brain’s glucose metabolism). If any improvement to those is possible at all, it will be through physical means, not by mimicking the effects of the intelligence brought forth by them. Not by providing the brain with knowledge. Conversely, intelligence may be reduced by any physical damage to the brain, such as by mechanical impact, shortage of oxygen or glucose, poisons, or hormones.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the other higher-I.Q. societies founded since 1997?
Cooijmans: I have not paid attention, but it concerns a huge number of them. The Epimetheus Society comes to mind. I can not stand to look at the web locations of many of the newer societies; slow-loading, full of spaghetti code produced by contents management systems or what-you-see-is-what-you-get editors. If you are smart enough to start an I.Q. society, learning hypertext markup language should be no hurdle for you. Few things betray incompetence and not-being-at-the-proclaimed-level-of-your-self-founded-society more than that.
Jacobsen: What is the evidence for having “introduced the concepts of high-range testing and higher-I.Q. societies to Europe”?
Cooijmans: The articles and advertisements I published in the mid-1990s in journals of I.Q. societies, regarding my tests and the Glia and Giga societies. Some are shown, for instance, on my I.Q. tests web site in “The history of I.Q. Tests for the High-Range”, and somewhere on the Giga and Glia Society sites.
Jacobsen: As one of “the most interesting and brilliant” administrators in the world with such tantalizing societies on offer to the international community of the higher-I.Q., what seems like the main pull for prospective members?
Cooijmans: I do not understand the phrase “the main pull”, but the circumstance that Glia Society members can take tests for free appears to be attractive, while for the Giga Society it is mainly prestige.
Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, what seems like the main reason for members who join and stay, and those who leave?
Cooijmans: No Giga Society members have ever left except by passing away. Glia Society members leave rarely; I remember someone resigning after being suspended from the e-mail forum for violating the rules. Another one resigned because he thought I was “far right”, but later rejoined. And a third one left because he felt he no longer deserved to be a member; this one I suspect of having leaked out the complete scoring key of one of my tests, enabling an idiot to qualify for the Giga Society. Oh, and someone resigned, came back, and later resigned again because of misbehaviour and harassment by another member. In hindsight, it seems that roughly one in a hundred members misbehave significantly at some point, and in one case I expelled the culprit. This paragraph contains quite explosive information, but given the length of this interview no one will probably get this far and read it.
Members who stay in the Glia Society do so because they like the free testing and/or the communication fora. But many also simply stay inactive without formally resigning.
Jacobsen: What is “cultural Marxism”? Why is it an “ideological terror”? Why is it “to an extreme degree” in the Netherlands?
Cooijmans: That first question needs a book-length answer in itself. “Cultural Marxism” is a term used by critics of the movements in question. Cultural Marxists do not call themselves that but deem the concept a conspiracy theory. These movements started right after the First World War, as a step up from classical Marxism, which was perceived as having failed. Classical Marxism was about a class struggle, wherein the workers of all countries would unite against Capital. In the war though, the workers of the warring countries had been fighting each other in the trenches rather than uniting, thus revealing that nationalist tendencies were stronger than class divisions.
A variety of projects were then conceived and initiated to destroy all nation states and establish a new world rule with no place for national identity and tradition. These projects involved the purposeful occupation of all vital institutions and industries, and the promotion and facilitation of migration streams (and other genocidal schemes) to permanently alter the populations and cultures of Europe, North America, and the West in general. The motivation behind this was a burning hatred of nations, Christianity, White people, masculinity, artisanship, and manual labour. The basic strategy was to make the institutions and corporations more powerful than the national governments. This has meanwhile been achieved for much of the world.
The projected world government is not benign. It is a despotic feudal monarchy without citizenship or private property, wherein serfs are kept merrily submissive, lowly fertile, not too long-lived, and feminized (in case of men) by an incessant stream of poisons administered through the air, water, food, recreational drugs, clothing, cosmetics, medication, and vaccination. They can do this because they own and control all the relevant industries. Non-pharmaceutical strategies toward this goal are employed too, such as indoctrination and the propagandizing of pornography, onanism, prostitution, deviant (non-reproductive) sex, and other maladaptive behaviours. The current royal houses will not object to this usurping of the world throne; over the past centuries, the ancestors of our hostile elite have married into the major dynasties and/or financed them so that their bloodlines and interests are interwoven and they can make their move with royal approval. Said elite consists of several thousand to several tens of thousand specimens worldwide. This multiple genocide has progressed slowly but surely, and since the early 1970s, cultural Marxists have held the centre of the political spectrum in all Western countries. Views that were previously “centre” have ever since been denoted “far right”.
It is an ideological terror because it allows no dissent. Any expression that violates its dogmas is suppressed, censored, or made illegal and prosecuted. Cultural Marxism is the epitome of intolerance, tribalism, and xenophobia. It is a tribe aiming to subjugate the world and become the ruling caste in a new era of feudalism.
The Netherlands, small and densely populated, has been a laboratory for the testing of policies intended to be rolled out worldwide. The liberal approach to recreational drugs, prostitution, abortion, and euthanasia; extreme softness on crime; same-sex marriage; exempting multinational corporations from taxation; combining a welfare state with mass immigration; the forced implementation of multiculturalism; the public execution of a conservative politician on his way to power right before election day… it has all been tried in the test tube of the world. Oh, and on an entirely unrelated note, Netherlandic experts and universities have played leading roles in the development and patenting of the SARS-CoV2 polymerase chain reaction test and corresponding vaccines.
I have been compiling a list of segments of society presently occupied by cultural Marxism; in doing so, I discovered it is quicker to make its complement, that is, a list of societal segments that are still relatively free of cultural Marxism. This latter list would include conservative and/or nationalist organizations; small and medium-sized businesses; fundamentalist and orthodox religion; part of alternative or natural healing; amateur sports; “rogue” states and nation states; agriculture, farming, hunting; barter; rural life; fringe (independent, unconventional) media; independent science (independent of governments and corporations); and traditional art and culture.
I have considered providing the former list too, but believe it would be too depressing for the good readers; suffice it to say that said list contains practically everything else in the world.
Jacobsen: Any Cooijmans response to the popular Netherlandic saying, “Act normally, then you are already acting crazy enough”?
Cooijmans: I fully agree with this saying, when taken literally. But what is meant with it on the idiomatic level is, “you are merely average and nothing better than the rest, no matter how good you may be”. This is carved into the soul of every Netherlander from birth on.
Jacobsen: Any Cooijmans response to the popular Netherlandic saying, “No one is allowed to stick out above the mowing field”?
Cooijmans: The recent death of guitarist Eddie Van Halen, born in the Netherlands, has made this painfully clear. For a few days there was some attention for him in the news on television, but in the four decades up to that, including the heyday of the group “Van Halen”, he and his band had been virtually ignored by the Netherlandic media, despite his being one of the best guitar players in existence. In 1980, when I saw Van Halen at a festival in the Netherlands, I noted already that there was little media attention for them, and if they were mentioned, it was mainly to emphasize how arrogant they were or to ridicule them. Being good at something is not appreciated here. If you are born in the Netherlands as a genius and only publish your work in the Netherlands, chances are you and your work will never be recognized for what they are but always treated as merely average, and even you yourself will keep believing, for all of your life, that you are merely average, because that is what you have always been told with great emphasis.
Incidentally, other good guitarists I have listened to are Allan Holdsworth, Philip Catherine, and Konrad Ragossnig.
Jacobsen: What will be the effects over 2020 if this trend continues? What will be the effects if this trend is reversed?
Cooijmans: Unfortunately, the question fails to specify which trend is being referred to. Cultural Marxism? But why is the year 2020 mentioned then? Cultural Marxism is a century old and not specific for 2020. The actual trend over 2020 is the pandemic of censorship and restrictions of civil rights implemented in response to virus outbreaks. It does look like cultural Marxists are utilizing the disease to tighten their stranglehold of the world; to strengthen their ownership of it; to replace small businesses with large corporations without ties to local culture and tradition; to abolish cash; to kill off people by suppressing proven effective treatments; to let people accept vaccinations out of fear by hiding the true fatality rate of the virus; in short, to accelerate their rise to world domination. The end game has begun.
If “this trend” is taken to mean cultural Marxism, and the effects need not only be over 2020, the answer is as follows: A period of civil wars will occur as White people realize they are becoming minorities in their own countries. We are seeing the preludes to that in the form of terror attacks by isolated “far right extremists”, as well as well-organized, heavily financed violent “demonstrations” by pseudo-activists who are really paid mercenaries. So, “lone wolves” against crypto-armies. A peaceful defeat of cultural Marxism seems unlikely at this point, since the native populations of almost all Western countries have been diluted such that the nationalist votes can not gain a majority in elections any more (“And good at that?!” will cultural Marxists among the readers utter at this point).
Given the cultural-Marxist occupation of all vital segments of society, the odds look grim; or sublimely favourable, depending on which side one is on. The best one can hope for is that all of this, as cultural Marxists claim, is a conspiracy theory, a collection of paranoid delusions. I would rather be delusional than right.
In the event that cultural Marxism is beaten, the effect will be a return of nation states populated and ruled by citizens, and a purging of the corrupted institutions and industries. In the opposite case, we end up under the projected world government described a few answers ago. Attentive readers will have understood what the probable outcome is. Perhaps, the time to plausibly stop cultural Marxism, if ever, were the 1920s.
Once the new kingdom has been established, one of its challenges will be to prevent degeneration of its bloodlines. Inbreeding has often been the downfall of dynasties, and the classical approach was to marry royalty from abroad, or rich foreigners if no suitable nobility was available and/or the bottom of the treasury was in sight. As a result, royal families have tended to be genetically different from their subjects (“of different blood”, one says). In the absence of nubile extraterrestrial princesses, the new masters of the world will harvest fresh blood from selected juveniles among their billions of zombie slaves, who are legally their intellectual property as they have been genetically modified by mandatory nano-robot injections. Oh, and a merry Christmas incidentally. Or happy Easter, depending on when this is published.
Perhaps I should explain the reason for words like “kingdom” and “feudal” in this context, where others speak of a “Communist (or globalist) world government”: Without private ownership, and all of the world’s assets being on the balance sheet of a small bloodline-based elite, feudalism and kingdom are the proper terms to use. Our civil rights will be set back to the Middle Ages over the next one or two decades, if this trend continues. Considering how eagerly many are queueing up for that, perhaps it is what they deserve after all.
Jacobsen: Were there any earlier gods than Thoth who came as potential names for the journal – not necessarily connect with “science, wisdom, writing, art, magic” or “writing, mathematics, astronomy”?
Cooijmans: No earlier gods came up. If I were to look for such now, I would look at antediluvian times.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Administrator, Giga Society; Administrator, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 1, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-2; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Censorship, Freedom of Speech, High-IQ Societies, Moles and Wolves, Cultural Marxism, and “Thoth”: Administrator, Glia Society (2)[Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 1). Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Censorship, Freedom of Speech, High-IQ Societies, Moles and Wolves, Cultural Marxism, and “Thoth”: Administrator, Glia Society (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Censorship, Freedom of Speech, High-IQ Societies, Moles and Wolves, Cultural Marxism, and “Thoth”: Administrator, Glia Society (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Censorship, Freedom of Speech, High-IQ Societies, Moles and Wolves, Cultural Marxism, and “Thoth”: Administrator, Glia Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Censorship, Freedom of Speech, High-IQ Societies, Moles and Wolves, Cultural Marxism, and “Thoth”: Administrator, Glia Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Censorship, Freedom of Speech, High-IQ Societies, Moles and Wolves, Cultural Marxism, and “Thoth”: Administrator, Glia Society (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Censorship, Freedom of Speech, High-IQ Societies, Moles and Wolves, Cultural Marxism, and “Thoth”: Administrator, Glia Society (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Censorship, Freedom of Speech, High-IQ Societies, Moles and Wolves, Cultural Marxism, and “Thoth”: Administrator, Glia Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-2>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Censorship, Freedom of Speech, High-IQ Societies, Moles and Wolves, Cultural Marxism, and “Thoth”: Administrator, Glia Society (2) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,659
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Rickard Sagirbay is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: growing up; an extended self; the family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; some professional certifications; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence discovered; the geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence necessary for genius; some work experiences and jobs; this particular job path; important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; the God concept or gods idea; science; some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; ethical philosophy; social philosophy; political philosophy; worldview-encompassing philosophical system; and meaning in life.
Keywords: Ali Rıza Sağırbay, intelligence, IQ, Muslim, Rickard Sagirbay, Rickard Sagirbey, Turkish, Turks, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Rickard Sagirbay on the Turks, Self-Defense, Galileo, Mozart, Leonardo Da Vinci, Nikola Tesla, and Languages: Member, World Genius Directory (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Rickard Sagirbay[1],[2]*: Nothing to brag about in that regard; I come from very humble family origins. I would rather say we had this tragedy within our family on my father’s side. My uncle was in the military serving as a pilot. He was known to be exceptionally intelligent and did a career within the army. One day, he was involved in an accident. His plane crashed, and he died. I have to say, “May his soul rest in peace.” My father named me after him, so my name from birth is Ali Rıza Sağırbay. Later as an adult, I changed my name for practical reasons to make it easier to apply for jobs, further I was tired to hear the repeated question: – What did you say your name was again? Further my Swedish Judicial surname is spelled a bit differently, than the Turkish original, due to that the pronunciation in Sweden is different, so we modified it to become Sagirbey. I am not being fussy about my family name, merely explaining it thoroughly since it`s listed at WGD as “Sagirbey” and my FB account name says “Sagirbay” (which is my legal Turkish name, double citizenship).
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Sagirbay: No, I don’t think so.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Sagirbay: My family is originally from Izmir, Cesme. Well, we are Turks, so we are accustomed to Turkish culture, even though I was born and grew up in Sweden and, of course, acquired a lot of cultural values from there as well. The official language in Turkey is Turkish. In Turkey the majority of the population are Muslims, as are my family. So I grow up in a Muslim family and later during life I formed my own world-view in regards to the theme of religion and philosophy, but I will cover that in the latter section of your questions. My father was a local pub owner and salesman by trade and my mother was a nurse, both retired today.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Sagirbay: Well, this interview and your journal are based on a high level of honesty and integrity as I understood while reading it through. Therefore, I feel I have to be honest. It wasn’t a fairy tale or a dance on roses. Before proceeding, I want to emphasize that I seek no pity or redemption, neither do I self-pity. It`s all in the past but still shaped me to the man I am today. It was filled with bullying, violent episodes, verbal abuse, and so on. But on the contrary, there were also some nice memories that still stick in my mind as well.
I was a troublesome kid that always went my own way, if some authority at school told me to do tasks in a certain way I could sometimes end up doing them in the opposite way as an act of rebellion towards their authority. As a concrete example during swim school season in the city of Nynäshamn in Sweden, when I was approximately 5-6 years old, when our teacher told us to exercise swimming above the water, I instead, sometimes, exercised swimming below the water.
Sometimes, I speculate if it was a rebellious act towards my parents’ upbringing? Would I have been different if I was raised under different conditions or gone to a private school with maximum 3-5 pupils? Of course, these are just philosophical inquiries with the purpose of trying to explain my own personal development; there are no certain conclusions hereby. I was indeed gifted. Even though, I showed signs of insubordination at an early age, and I will get to how I discovered my giftedness and the signs of them later in this interview.
Back to the story of my adolescence in primary school. I did display signs of being a disciplinary problem early on and after getting in to fights with other pupils and having difficulties on focusing on tasks in school, so instead of the classical prodigy example when you skip a couple of grades early on. I was instead transferred into a school for kids considered a disciplinary problem and disruptive.
I spent approximately 2 years in this school where they actually took notes and documented our progress both in terms of behaviour and cognitive progress during the lessons. I finished my time there 2 years later. I began in music class in accordance with my mother’s wish. She was under the impression that it would transform me into a more decent and calm kid. So, at age 10, I began 5th grade in Mikaelskolan, I did pretty well in school given the civil unrest that was present in terms of fistfights, verbal abuse and bullying.
I have to confess. Sometimes, I was the victim being bullied and sometimes I was responsible for doing the bullying myself. I acted in accordance with my nature and did what I had to in order to survive the years in school, it was a tough period and required a lot of courage and persistence in order to complete this chapter of my life. I put up a good fight when I needed to defend myself physically and have no regrets in regards to this part. Some of the things, I did as a kid; on the other hand, I do regret today, and can put it in perspective and realize it was wrong.
I wish yet again to put emphasis on that as I progressed into adulthood I obviously learned better, even if I did so the hard way. As a rule of thumb, I have established to always be a diplomate primarily and try to solve conflicts using your giftedness, applying the tool of communication. Even better would be a combination of intelligence and wisdom, it is trying to plan your life in a way that prevents and minimize the probability for such events to occur in the first place (for obvious reasons).
To choose fighting as a primary means to solve a conflict is indeed idiocy and will only get you into further trouble, however, I also have to accentuate that I firmly believe that if you have already tried principal 1 and 2 aforementioned; and if you are cornered, then, of course, the use of physical violence would be completely justified. This is called self-defence. Further, it is judicially correct world wide. I would argue. I didn’t reach top grades in all of the subjects in school (Einstein didn’t either), but I discovered my resources later on.
I had a propensity and talent for head calculation, the multiplication table, head arithmetic in general. We had this competition once a week in school during 7-9 the grade in school in terms of being the quickest head calculator, sort of mind Olympics. I almost always finished in 2nd place to my classmate Lisa Classon. During our holiday in Turkey when I was 8 years old, I used to have this passionate hobby of calculating in my head 3 digit numbers such as 734*459 eventually progressing in terms of speed and accuracy. I recall reading about Ettore Majorana the physicist who also shared similar hobbies as a kid.
I also still remembered an employee at the hotel where we resorted, used to joke and call me by the nickname “the professor kid” since he took note that I had a very peculiar hobby. Sadly, these skills and hobbies of mine with time faded out. There have been times in my life, when I wonder, “What could have been the result if I had possessed the discipline to nurture and persist my talents better from an early age?” Anyway, I managed successfully to finish primary school and also finished my 3 years in high school. I was also an avid linguistic learner early on, and easily absorbed new languages being taught in school, in this case, German.
I still remember quite well in regards to grammar, vocabulary, etc. I also had a conventionally very good memory as a kid, as an example, we had this examination in music, which consisted of pages of history, important years, names such as Bach, Mozart, etc. Consequently, I memorized the full contents of those pages verbatim. I looked upon it as a game of discipline and wouldn’t stop until I knew it all by heart. It felt awesome. My stepfather Dan was surely also impressed when he noticed this. In regards to this theme discussed, I read that Francis Galton quoted whole sentences and paragraphs that he acquired from books when reading at a very early age.
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and trainings earned by you?
Sagirbay: That is a good question and will only be fairly answered when putting it all together in context from a whole perspective. I happen to have a diagnosis of mental illness in terms of being “Bipolar”. Consequently, this has made my life difficult due to the condition of depression. So, it has created some gaps during my history of employment in terms of being able to maintain and keeping the job. It has been followed by a lot of sick listing periods from my side. I will approach this topic very humbly and honestly.
I hold no splendid records or qualifications in terms of prestigious university diplomas, Ph.D. candidate, certifications in general, etc. Most of the knowledge I acquired up to this point origin from my own studies and intellectual curiosity. Because of my mental condition, I have gone through a learning curve in life, that has made me dread and be very shy of student life and to apply to a university. So, I enjoy mainly conducting my own research privately from home as an autodidact (I study Spanish currently). I think it is important to highlight this theme with a sense of humour, also from a view that shows that I possess self-distance.
During the setbacks of life, I haven’t complained, rather I would say with a smile on my face that you are interviewing an insane man, but still sane and stable enough to participate in the interview. I accepted my mental condition and thereby found peace. There were many other gifted people who were bipolar as well during history, such as Vincent Van Gogh, Beethoven, Edgar Allan Poe, among others. I also have a quote to add from my own personal experience in regards to giftedness as bipolar: – Genius is well-balanced madness and reason, when applying the instrument of imagination flow.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Sagirbay: I love brain-teasers and puzzles, but what is above all of that is to discover new ways of thinking, leading to that “AHA” or “EUREKA” (Archimedes). It`s an incredible feeling actually.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Sagirbay: Most prominently at the age of 7-15, I had these different hobbies such as mental head calculation, memorize texts when reading, also a high intellectual curiosity in general. I could ask a question to my friend, “What would you choose if you had to between amputating a leg or an arm? What would you choose between a million-dollar or supernatural powers like superman? Would you rather look like Brad Pitt in physical appearance or to be ugly and extremely rich?”
Existential questions were running in my veins from the very beginning it seems. You constantly think, “Why? Why? Why? What does this person gain from this and vice versa?” And so on, I still have this funny childhood memory from an old friend named Johan, who was actually highly gifted and precocious. During a dialogue, he once stated, “I think this kid Jens only hang out with Tobias, because he is so big and strong as for his own protection.” So, as a summary, I would say this is the way my signs of giftedness started.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Sagirbay: I firmly believe it`s because we are highly misunderstood by the average person and therefore people, in general, react with skepticism, fear, envy, anger and sometimes even hatred. People have a tendency to condemn and fear ideas and concepts they don’t fully understand. As a perfect example would be Galileo who faced the Inquisition during his days, he was trialed because his discoveries contradicted the mighty authority of the Catholic Church. This is a very fine example, indeed, how a great mind in history collides with religious dogma and that it still occurs in modern time.
Sadly, even if humanity have progressed scientifically from Galileo’s days, there is a lot of progress to be made still today. One of the reasons that many highly gifted individuals might be camera shy and shy in general might be because of past bad experiences such as my own. My endeavour as a student was never entirely successful because of my mental condition, which resulted in gaps and an incomplete education. I completed a third of the education of becoming a radiographical nurse up in northern Sweden, the city of Boden. I managed to complete 38 points out of 120, but dropped out because of my mental problems, I still have the record of it stored.
I also completed a year in the university of Jönköping the school with alignment of communication, it was a basic year of a science program. But to the summary, because of my past unsuccessful experiences of being a student, I learned that school wasn’t for me and I decided to return home and pursue studies as an autodidact by myself and in solitude. But I also of course feel I need to shed some light on the contrary. There are, of course, many geniuses in history as you mentioned that were indeed praised and revered during their whole lifetime. We could apply Mozart (1756-1791) as a perfect example, he excelled in music and was considered a child prodigy from an early age. He was admired by a lot of people early on, but sadly he died quite young at age 35.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Sagirbay: Leonardo Da Vinci is certainly among the top geniuses on the list. Based on his achievements and that he excelled in a great variety of fields such as art, engineering, inventions, anatomy, physics, etc. I would say he was way ahead of his time. Then we have Nikola Tesla that contributed a lot of inventions to science that we apply in modern times such as alternating current, the remote control and the neon lamp. Then of course it`s hard to forget Alfred Nobel who invented dynamite and was the founder of the Nobel prize. I also personally idealize Rudiger Gamm, Dominic O’Brien, the late Tony Buzan and finally Kemal Ataturk who was the founder of the modern Turkish Republic. These are just a few among many brilliant minds.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Sagirbay: Having a more fine-tuned brain and performing at the 99.9 percentage or above in terms of cognition, also in addition having that thing we call imagination to combine with the logic.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Sagirbay: I would say, “Yes.”
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and jobs held by you?
Sagirbay: I worked for several years as a salesman in telemarketing and acquired a lot of experience from it. In addition, I worked as a customer support agent at a fitness-company. When I was younger prior to that, I worked as an assistant nurse helping elderly retired people.
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Sagirbay: I enjoy working with people and learn new things at constant. In sales, you never become complete in regards to this.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Sagirbay: I believe that an important aspect of the idea of the gifted and genius is that society needs to improve (on a global scale) on how to effectively identify giftedness, so that talents could be cultivated and nurtured in the best interest of humanity. This will help science to progress and this, in turn, will help us to solve current world problems such as starvation, lack of clean water, overpopulation, diseases, etc. Well some of the most common myths I feel I have to dispel, is that genius/gifted people usually are autistic, or similar to savants or necessarily have to have some mental impediment or diagnosis (like in my case) and this isn’t necessarily so at all.
These myths are widely enhanced and further conveyed to the public in movies like “Rainman” (Dustin Hoffman) and “A Beautiful Mind” (Russell Crow portrait John Nash). These are indeed good movies, but the truth is that in reality there are many very healthy geniuses with no diagnosis or mental conditions at all. Another myth that is present is that most geniuses are nerds and book worms and so on. Not everybody realises that it can be a wrestler (like Plato) or a martial artist in Karate being very athletic build, etc. But this stereotype doesn’t fit the description of a genius that we are fed from media I suppose.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Sagirbay: I started my journey as a Muslim, since I was born in a Muslim family, later I converted to Buddhism. I found the whole idea of reincarnation plausible, as did many ancient philosophers and geniuses such as Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, among several others. I took note of that everything in nature seemed to be cyclic and resurrection occurred all the time, for instance, the seasons of the year: Summer, autumn, winter and spring, repetition.
Also, the first law of thermodynamics states that energy is always conserved and can not be created neither destroyed. Today I am leaning towards pantheism with a scientific approach added to it. Further with time I have also found it very reasonable that people lean towards agnosticism since it`s extremely difficult to know for sure what is true in regards to existentialism. I definitely still feel that the concept of reincarnation should be taken seriously until it`s refuted by scientific means.
I have a very good quote which I feel is very appropriate in order to summarise this question:
If a man leaves with certainties he will end up with doubts; but if he is content to begin with some doubt, he will end up with some certainty.
Francis Bacon
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Sagirbay: I would say a lot more today than it did during my years as an adolescent.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Sagirbay: Here you have a couple of them (verbal, spatial, and numeric):
Alphabet score: 185sd 15
Mach I: 170sd 15
SLSE II: 176sd 15
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Sagirbay: Range has been between 153-185sd 15 on various tests.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Sagirbay: Do your best and try to improve and become a better man than you were in the past. As a human being, we are constantly bound to imperfection within our very nature. Try for example to draw 5 precisely equally sized circles next to each other by hand on a piece of paper (without aiding tool). Do you think they will appear precisely the same? To put it in a funny frame, while serious, I would argue that perfect human beings only exist in fairy tales. The good intention and desire to improve as a human being is more than enough. Here are some quotes to give people something to think about.
For me the struggle to reach perfection as a human being is comparable with the same madness and despair similar to catching your own shadow.
R. Sagirbay
It is a prejudice to think that morality is more favourable to the development of reason than immorality.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Sagirbay: Transhumanism.
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Sagirbay: Libertarianism.
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Sagirbay: Trying to progress humanity in the right direction and to achieve a more intelligent citizenry, so that we might alleviate the condition of human suffering and make the earth a better place to live.
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Sagirbay: To constantly try to evolve as a human being and be occupied every minute of my life, this is how I keep the depression away and get my kicks. Learning new things has become my great passion in life. For instance, nowadays, I am learning Spanish. Later, I have plans to improve my German that I learned during primary school. I also enjoy theatre lessons, mind games, memorizing a deck of cards, digits, etc. I also exercise physically on a regular basis both weightlifting and running.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 1, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sagirbay-1; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Rickard Sagirbay on the Turks, Self-Defense, Galileo, Mozart, Leonardo Da Vinci, Nikola Tesla, and Languages: Member, World Genius Directory (1)[Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sagirbay-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 1). Conversation with Rickard Sagirbay on the Turks, Self-Defense, Galileo, Mozart, Leonardo Da Vinci, Nikola Tesla, and Languages: Member, World Genius Directory (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sagirbay-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Rickard Sagirbay on the Turks, Self-Defense, Galileo, Mozart, Leonardo Da Vinci, Nikola Tesla, and Languages: Member, World Genius Directory (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sagirbay-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Rickard Sagirbay on the Turks, Self-Defense, Galileo, Mozart, Leonardo Da Vinci, Nikola Tesla, and Languages: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sagirbay-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Rickard Sagirbay on the Turks, Self-Defense, Galileo, Mozart, Leonardo Da Vinci, Nikola Tesla, and Languages: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sagirbay-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Rickard Sagirbay on the Turks, Self-Defense, Galileo, Mozart, Leonardo Da Vinci, Nikola Tesla, and Languages: Member, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sagirbay-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Rickard Sagirbay on the Turks, Self-Defense, Galileo, Mozart, Leonardo Da Vinci, Nikola Tesla, and Languages: Member, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sagirbay-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Rickard Sagirbay on the Turks, Self-Defense, Galileo, Mozart, Leonardo Da Vinci, Nikola Tesla, and Languages: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sagirbay-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Rickard Sagirbay on the Turks, Self-Defense, Galileo, Mozart, Leonardo Da Vinci, Nikola Tesla, and Languages: Member, World Genius Directory (1) [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sagirbay-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 627
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Chris Cole is a Member of the Mega Society. He discusses: “How To Prevent Pandemics”; Mathematica; the “profound insights into the physical world” garnered through “Mathematica and the Internet” unseen before; the pandemic; the human organism “operates on several scales at once”; the knowledge of human beings as a system of nested algorithms; and the development of a Mathematica-like system for a human being and in interaction with a virus.
Keywords: Biology, Chris Cole, Mathematica, Mega Society.
Conversation with Chris Cole on Mathematica for Biology: Member, Mega Society
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: You are a professional mathematician and physicist. This interview is based on an article entitled “How To Prevent Pandemics” in Noesis issue 206 (September 2020). You stated, “As recently as the 1980s, physicists routinely referred to printed journals and textbooks to find the solutions for various mathematical problems. Frequently this was a tedious process – but that was the way physicists had always worked.” Mathematica was introduced on June 23 1988 with the most recent update on June 17 2020. Since the 1980s, and the introduction of Mathematica, what is the degree of efficiency increase from it?
Chris Cole[1],[2]*: It’s much more than a degree of efficiency. Many things that were previously impossible are now routine. Ignoring obvious things like solving large problems, it’s worthwhile to focus on sometimes ignored things, for example, the ability to create a computable text. This is a text in which portions are computed in real time. The text becomes a living document as Ted Nelson envisioned when he invented hypertext.
Jacobsen: You reference “Handbook of Mathematical Functions (Abramowitz and Stegun) and Table of Integrals, Series, and Products (Gradshteyn, Ryzhik, et al.).” Were these as widely used among mathematicians in the 1980s as Mathematica today? Or were these widely used, but not nearly as much as ubiquitously as Mathematica?
Cole: Mathematica and its like are as widely used today as these reference texts were used before 1988.
Jacobsen: What are some of the “profound insights into the physical world” garnered through “Mathematica and the Internet” unseen before?
Cole: Through simulations and collaboration many aspects of the physical world have been explored to depths that were not seen before 1988 and this trend is accelerating. Look at the Mathematica Web site ( https://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/ ) for myriad examples, and that is only progress directly based on Mathematica.
Jacobsen: You wrote, “At best, there will be a year or so of suffering before the pandemic is brought under control. At worst, the virus may be with humanity for decades.” What seems like the most probable outcome between the aforementioned “best” and “worst”?
Cole: We have seen mutations of the coronavirus and the approaching herd immunity and mitigation measures such as vaccines will cause mutations to survive. The coronavirus will be with us for a long time.
Jacobsen: As the human organism “operates on several scales at once,” what does this layered sense of networks and scales mean for the simulatability of a human being?
Cole: Physicists have evolved techniques such as effective field theory and matching to deal with multiple scales at once. These techniques can be applied to biology.
Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, if achieved in practice, how would this change the knowledge of human beings as a system of nested algorithms, in a sense?
Cole: If we can deal with the system wholistically we can accurately model and predict the etiology of disease and the outcome of interventions.
Jacobsen: You said, “Just as Mathematica helped to solve certain problems, a biology platform which contains the details of human biology would help to prevent pandemics. Once a particular pathogen emerges from the ecosystem, its methods of operation would be analyzed and ways to prevent its spread could be synthesized.” What are current advancements in this direction know to you – to the development of a Mathematica-like system for a human being and in interaction with a virus?
Cole: Mathematica grew out of a recognition that it was not enough to solve each math problem one at a time. What was needed was a platform so that results could be expressed in a unified way, just as the underlying mathematics is unified. The same applies to biology. Solving one disease at a time is not going to get you there.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Mega Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 1, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cole; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Chris Cole on Mathematica for Biology: Member, Mega Society[Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cole.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 1). Conversation with Chris Cole on Mathematica for Biology: Member, Mega Society. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cole.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Chris Cole on Mathematica for Biology: Member, Mega Society. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cole>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Chris Cole on Mathematica for Biology: Member, Mega Society.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cole.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Chris Cole on Mathematica for Biology: Member, Mega Society.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cole.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Chris Cole on Mathematica for Biology: Member, Mega Society’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cole>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Chris Cole on Mathematica for Biology: Member, Mega Society’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cole.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Chris Cole on Mathematica for Biology: Member, Mega Society.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cole>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Chris Cole on Mathematica for Biology: Member, Mega Society [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cole.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 26.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (21)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 969
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Gary Whitehall is a high-range test-taker. He discusses: growing up; an extended self; family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; ome professional certifications; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence; some work experiences; job path; the idea of the gifted; the God concept or gods idea; science; tests taken and scores earned; ethical philosophy; social philosophy; economic philosophy; political philosophy; worldview-encompassing philosophical system; and meaning in life.
Keywords: capitalism, drunks, Fidel Castro, Gary Whitehall, intelligence, Kant.
Conversation with Gary Whitehall on Drunks, Castro, Kant, and Capitalism: High-Range Test-Taker
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Gary Whitehall[1],[2]*: The few ancestors I know of were violent and abusive drunks.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Whitehall: Yes. I am a violent and abusive drunk now, too.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Whitehall: My father is half-Scottish; my mother is English. Neither of my parents were religious – at least not while I was growing up.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Whitehall: I beat up any kid who disrespected me, and pulled every girl in my class. I couldn’t have asked for a better childhood.
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and trainings earned by you?
Whitehall: Bachelor’s degree in computer science.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Whitehall: To score higher than the other nerds in order to impress women and get laid.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Whitehall: I have always known that I was way smarter than most people.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Whitehall: Every generation thinks that it has everything basically figured out, and doesn’t like being told that it was just as dumb and delusional as the previous generations. It’s really that simple.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Whitehall: Fidel Castro, who reportedly banged a staggering 35,000 women. The more I ruminate on the deep mysteries of life, the universe, and consciousness, the more I regret not spending that time laying pipe. Lord Castro had the right idea.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Whitehall: Nothing. Those two things are synonyms.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Whitehall: Yes.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and jobs held by you?
Whitehall: Web developer.
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Whitehall: Because it’s relatively easy and pays well.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Whitehall: The biggest myth is that the ability to solve complex logic puzzles is enough to succeed in life or solve real-world problems. It isn’t.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Whitehall: It seems to me that there are three possibilities as to the origin of the universe: (1) It appeared out of nothing and nowhere for no reason; (2) It created itself; or (3) It was created by something external to itself, leading to an infinite regress. None of these ideas makes a lick of sense – and the idea of a fourth option makes less sense still. Don’t waste your time on such questions. Just drink beer and slay pussy instead.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Whitehall: It doesn’t. Science can’t tell us anything about what exists outside our own minds, since it is nothing more than mathematical (mental) models applied to our internal perceptions.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Whitehall: I haven’t taken any official IQ tests. I took some of those shitty IQExams tests, though, and scored in the 150s.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Whitehall: The Golden Rule (or Kant’s categorical imperative), which is a guard against hypocrisy. If we accept that a person’s moral choices proceed from their beliefs, then by showing that some action contradicts a person’s own belief system, we can demonstrate its “wrongness” on a logical level. For example, a person who is willing to murder others, but objects to his own murder, is labouring under a contradictory (i.e. false) set of beliefs.
Many moral philosophers have tried to make morality objective by linking it to truth, but it seems to me that the Golden Rule already does this.
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Whitehall: Good old classic liberalism: every person should be free to do as they wish provided they are not physically inhibiting anyone else’s ability to do the same.
Jacobsen: What economic philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Whitehall: Retaining a capitalist system, but setting a reasonable limit on the amount of money that a person can accumulate across a lifetime. The resources on this planet are finite, and nobody should have the right to hoard a hundred lifetimes’ worth of money while others are struggling to make ends meet. Besides, allowing companies to grow indefinitely large inevitably leads to the emergence of monopolies (e.g. Google, Facebook, Amazon).
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Whitehall: Any system in which power is decentralised. When power becomes too centralised, corruption and incompetence ensue, and there is little to no accountability. This is true of the national media as well as governments.
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Whitehall: Lift weights, tap dat ass, and always go against the herd.
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Whitehall: I do. My life has meaning because I damn well say it does.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] High-Range Test-Taker.
[2] Individual Publication Date: January 1, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/whitehall; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Gary Whitehall on Drunks, Castro, Kant, and Capitalism: High-Range Test-Taker[Online]. January 2021; 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/whitehall.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2021, January 1). Conversation with Gary Whitehall on Drunks, Castro, Kant, and Capitalism: High-Range Test-Taker. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/whitehall.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Gary Whitehall on Drunks, Castro, Kant, and Capitalism: High-Range Test-Taker. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A, January. 2021. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/whitehall>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2021. Conversation with Gary Whitehall on Drunks, Castro, Kant, and Capitalism: High-Range Test-Taker.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/whitehall.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Gary Whitehall on Drunks, Castro, Kant, and Capitalism: High-Range Test-Taker.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 26.A (January 2021). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/whitehall.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Gary Whitehall on Drunks, Castro, Kant, and Capitalism: High-Range Test-Taker’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/whitehall>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2021, ‘Conversation with Gary Whitehall on Drunks, Castro, Kant, and Capitalism: High-Range Test-Taker’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 26.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/whitehall.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Gary Whitehall on Drunks, Castro, Kant, and Capitalism: High-Range Test-Taker.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 26.A (2021): January. 2021. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/whitehall>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Gary Whitehall on Drunks, Castro, Kant, and Capitalism: High-Range Test-Taker [Internet]. (2021, January 26(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/whitehall.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,578
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Richard May (“May-Tzu”/“MayTzu”/“Mayzi”) is a Member of the Mega Society based on a qualifying score on the Mega Test (before 1995) prior to the compromise of the Mega Test and Co-Editor of Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society. In self-description, May states: “Not even forgotten in the cosmic microwave background (CMB), I’m an Amish yuppie, born near the rarified regions of Laputa, then and often, above suburban Boston. I’ve done occasional consulting and frequent Sisyphean shlepping. Kafka and Munch have been my therapists and allies. Occasionally I’ve strived to descend from the mists to attain the mythic orientation known as having one’s feet upon the Earth. An ailurophile and a cerebrotonic ectomorph, I write for beings which do not, and never will, exist — writings for no one. I’ve been awarded an M.A. degree, mirabile dictu, in the humanities/philosophy, and U.S. patent for a board game of possible interest to extraterrestrials. I’m a member of the Mega Society, the Omega Society and formerly of Mensa. I’m the founder of the Exa Society, the transfinite Aleph-3 Society and of the renowned Laputans Manqué. I’m a biographee in Who’s Who in the Brane World. My interests include the realization of the idea of humans as incomplete beings with the capacity to complete their own evolution by effecting a change in their being and consciousness. In a moment of presence to myself in inner silence, when I see Richard May’s non-being, ‘I’ am. You can meet me if you go to an empty room.” Some other resources include Stains Upon the Silence: something for no one, McGinnis Genealogy of Crown Point, New York: Hiram Porter McGinnis, Swines List, Solipsist Soliloquies, Board Game, Lulu blog, Memoir of a Non-Irish Non-Jew, and May-Tzu’s posterous. He discusses: Physics as Erotica: Objective Lust”; “The Laputans”; the space program of the Laputans; a reasonable place for the Laputans to have gathered, after the exploratory missions, the “somewhere”; ‘What is satire? What is not?’; the Laputan Olympics; other oddities of Laputan memory; “Security Check”; ontological password; “The Colonies”; “Delay in publication of Journal of Uncompleted Projects”; OCPD; “May’s Paradox”; “May’s Wager”; and “The Silicon Scream.”
Keywords: digital computers, erotica, May’s Paradox, May’s Wager, OCPD, Physics, Richard May.
Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Physics and Erotica, the Laputans, Ontological Password, “Journal of Uncompleted Projects,” OCPD, May’s Paradox, May’s Wager, Digital Computers’ Minds: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (5)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: “Physics as Erotica: Objective Lust,” one can find a number of great plays on terms with “Omni Amorist,” “Poly Amory,” “orthodox Bi Poly Amorists,” “Multi Omni,” “Bi Poly Amorists,” and, simply, “Poly.” It’s a delightful play on sexual orientation, sexuality, physics, and cosmology. It’s not merely a rhyming scheme, as in some formal poetry, or straightforward writing. It feels as if more developing a sensibility of conceptual rhythm to read it. Something like this. How do you take disparate ideas, including the sexual and physics, and unite them in a common weave, as in this piece?
Richard May[1],[2]*: This was inspired by a woman, or at least “she” seemed to identify as a woman, back in the ancient world, before the time when the only important thing is how a person identifies, who was an advocate of bipolyamory. But maybe ‘she’ was cat-fishing the cosmos. I thought that this was quite quaint, because she also claimed to be an Orthodox member of one of the world’s great religions. This is how bipolyamory came to my attention. I wanted to outdo her through satire.
As to how I take disparate ideas, including the sexual and physics, and unite them in a common weave, as in this piece, I suppose most of my pieces come from my subconsciousness, not thinking. — Gurdjieff said that “Subconsciousness is the real consciousness of man.” — Sexuality and physics are held to be in an analogical relationship.
I once read that William James wrote that the ability to see analogies is the surest indication of genius. I particularly liked this quote because I was the 2nd person to get a perfect score on the verbal half of the Mega Test, eons ago when there was no internet to allow cheating. But now the only relevant quote I can find by Googling is Emerson’s that science was ‘nothing but the finding of an analogy’.
Sexuality and physics can also be unified by May-Tzu’s Theory of Nothing (TON). Most Theories of Everything (TOEs) predict nothing and explain nothing. May-Tzu’s Theory of Nothing also predicts nothing and explains nothing, but does so with far more parsimony and hence is to be preferred by Ockham’s razor.
Jacobsen: We’re back to the Laputans, in “The Laputans.” I love this paragraph:
Among the Laputans it was not considered true that a house built of metaphors was not as strong as a house built of straw. It had been said since time immemorial that a house built of metaphors was stronger than a house built of bricks and mortar. It’s not known if they meant this metaphorically or literally.
It’s clever, witty, and entertaining. Also, why would the lack of the existence of the monuments of the Laputans speak to the enduring legacy of the Laputans?
May: The Laputans may represent the more practical side of my nature. — The Laputans have no legacy whatsoever, as they have no monuments.
I’m not even forgotten in the cosmic microwave background (CMB).
Jacobsen: What comprised the space program of the Laputans?
May: The Laputans are Luftmenschen or air people from German/Yiddish, so they don’t have quite as far to travel to find non-terrestrial space. The most practical and grounded Laputans would probably attempt to launch into interstellar space on a flight of ideas or abstract free associations.
Jacobsen: What might be a reasonable place for the Laputans to have gathered, after the exploratory missions, the “somewhere”?
May: Since the Laputan spacecraft were mutually incommunicado and did not agree prior to their dispersal to a specific meeting place, it is not inconceivable that they could encounter problems attempting to reunite. Perhaps they could attempt to land at a high-IQ society gathering, e.g., a ggg999 gathering *somewhere* in the cosmos.
Jacobsen: I like how you take the ordinary and make them seem like the exceptional in some of the writing. In fact, in some manner, you show the reverse is the case, as in the satire. It raises fresh questions, ‘What is satire? What is not?’
So, as a reader, you’re left with more question marks leaving than coming in – and more exclamation marks. Are you, more or less, playing around with ideas, putting them into text, and basing them off observations to both make satire and make a point, sometimes no point whatsoever?
May: On the Myers-Briggs Type Index I’m an INTP, described as an “architect of ideas.” So, yes, I’m more or less, playing around with ideas. As to what is satire and what is not, I’ve thought that maybe the laws of physics of our universe represent a mathematical satire at some higher level of dimensions/being/intelligence.
Jacobsen: “Among the Laputans endurance breathing was considered a lifetime sport and one that they were truly motivated to play, usually on highly competitive endurance breathing teams, but sometimes in solitude among the clouds. The games were, of course, televised 24 -7. But often the uninitiated had difficulty differentiating sportsmen from spectators,” as some version of you wrote. This seems a case in point of making the ordinary, breathing, extraordinary, something other. Any updates on the Laputan Olympics? Any other sports as part of the Laputan Olympics?
May: Yes, as you know the Laputans are quite libertarian, they oppose the use of force of any kind, and have for centuries attempted to repeal the laws of gravitation and of electromagnetism, seeking to replace them with a susurration of tautologies. The Laputan Olympics have now instituted direct competitions between Olympic Doping Teams, rather than attempting to enforce the prohibition of certain performance enhancing drugs among the athletes.
Jacobsen: Any other oddities of Laputan memory needing mentioning here?
May: It is suspected by some that certain notable individuals in the higher-IQ community may be Laputans. Because even the most substantial Laputans are said to have no shadows, these individuals may only appear in public undetected at noon or on sunless days. But this has never been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Jacobsen: As noted elsewhere, and as mentioned in “Security Check,” obviously, this is a satire on the ways in which modern technology requires a constant certification of a human operator rather than a computer. Are our thoughts our own in any manner, sensei?
May: Ludwig Wittgenstein wrote that we are asleep and sometimes we awaken just enough to realize that we are dreaming. Maybe “our” ’thoughts’ are just echos of echos reverberating in the Buddhistic void, Shunyata. “We are the space between our thoughts.” — Jean Klein. But in the near future after brain implants, our brains and thoughts will be hackable.
Jacobsen: What’s your ontological password?
May: Oy vey! You expect me to know what I’m talking about? Me of all people?
Maybe my “ontological password” is actually my attention and the sensation/feeling of “I am.”
Jacobsen: “The Colonies” existing as a colony of moles of sorts. The recording of yourself spying on your self, a hall of mirrors. Did you manage to escape complete ontological detection?
May: I’m not a conscious unified being most of the time. So the question is who is spying on whom?
“The possibility of my existence is too private for me to share with myself
— May-Tzu”
Jacobsen: “Delay in publication of Journal of Uncompleted Projects,” sadly, doesn’t seem so much as satire as a reality of most projects for most people, incomplete or partially done, so not done. Who were some of the hoped-for contributors to the journal?
May: This piece was inspired by certain prominent members of the higher-IQ community, who must, of course, remain nameless.
Jacobsen: What were some of the too-many-interests interests of those with OCPD?
May: The too-many-‘interests’ could be anything, not just objects of intellectual curiosity, but any object that attracts or distracts one’s attention, either internally or externally.
If a person has OCPD (obsessive-compulsive personality disorder) everything under the control of the person has to be absolutely ‘perfect’, e.g., if one is proofreading, the clerical minutia and visual-spatial formatting. Individuals with obsessive-compulsive personality disorder were highly sought after as employees at Zeno Publications.
Jacobsen: “May’s Paradox” asks, “Why, if a multitude of New Yorkers exist in Manhattan, evidence of New Yorkers, such as automobiles or subways, is not seen?” Why?
May: Obviously there is no evidence of New Yorkers existing, such as automobiles or subways, in New York City. That would be a Conspiracy Theory. May’s paradox should have been called the May paradox. The clear absence of evidence for the existence of New Yorkers makes May’s paradox analogous to the Fermi paradox.
In the SETI program we have searched for years for signals in the hydrogen frequency. As was pointed out in a YouTube video by Dr. Michio Kaku, there is no particular reason to assume that advance alien life would use the hydrogen frequency to send signals, even if one assumes that such beings would use radio signals at all. Dr. Kaku also points out that if the extraterrestrial communications used spread-spectrum signals, such as we humans use even now in our cellphone signals, then we would not even recognize the alien spread-spectrum signals as signals.
Given the exponential and unpredictable course of the growth of human technology, it seems entirely possible that a civilization even a few hundred years more advanced scientifically and technologically than our own might accomplish things that in ways that we could not understand at our present level of scientific-technological development.
Do you suppose we would comprehend the technology of a civilization a thousand or more years older than our own? “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” — Arthur C Clarke. So where are the smoke signals?
Just for fun let’s take the Roswell, New Mexico UFO crash myth. Of course, it’s just a Conspiracy Theory. The so-called Roswell incident been explained – – at least twice. Last time it was sad to be a weather balloon. It might just as well have been a flock of geese or the planet Venus, I suppose.
But let’s be silly and play devil’s advocate. Suppose an unexplained extraterrestrial craft or vehicle had crashed there in 1947 after WWII. Presumably the US. military would have little or no interest in such an event. There would have been no suspicion that it might have been a Russian or German device after World War II. There would have been no military interest; There would have been no interest if not duty of the U.S. military to study and reverse engineer the advanced off-world technology for American national security. So a possible crash of some sort would not have been investigated.
But if what was discovered was thought to be an unexplained craft or an “off-world device,” as they are apparently called today, of some sort, then a high-ranking military officer or perhaps the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or our President would certainly have gone on the radio and told the U.S. public. “Fellow Americans, an unknown craft appearing to be extraterrestrial in origin has crashed in Roswell, New Mexico. We do not know its origin or understand its method of propulsion. The technology is far superior to American technology or that of any other nation on Earth.
A few small gray(?) humanoid bodies have been retrieved from the crash site. They’re not thought to be Americans. We don’t know yet with certainty if these beings are Christian or Jewish. But we can be sure they are Baptists. At this point in time it is apparent that the U.S. military cannot control its own airspace. — But, hey, don’t worry about it! — America is number one, the greatest power! — Have a nice day.”
The Brookings Institution report on the possible consequences of advanced extraterrestrial contact that concluded that when a more primitive civilization encounters an advanced civilization, the more primitive civilization is damaged by the contact would certainly not be considered relevant by those in authority. The conclusion that religious fundamentalists would be highly unreceptive to contact with an advanced extraterrestrial civilization would also certainly be ignored as irrelevant.
Below are a few crackpot books of Conspiracy Theories, perhaps good for a few laughs:
*Wonders in the Sky: Unexplained Aerial Objects from Antiquity to Modern Times* by Jacques Vallee (Author), Chris Aubeck (Author)
*UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record* Paperback – August 2, 2011 by Leslie Kean (Author), John Podesta (Foreword)
*UFOs and the National Security State: Chronology of a Coverup, 1941-1973* Paperback – June 1, 2002 by Richard M. Dolan (Author), Jacques F. Vallee (Foreword).
A cottage industry of woo woo, no doubt. Everyone with a high IQ knew about the Manhattan Project. You couldn’t keep something like that secret.
And in any case there are no conspiracies, ever. The Watergate break-in and subsequent Watergate cover-up were certainly not conspiracies. Project MK-Ultra was certainly not a conspiracy. Industrial espionage certainly does not involve conspiracy. — The belief that there are ever conspiracies is no more than a meta-conspiracy theory.
Jacobsen: “May’s Wager,” noted elsewhere, states:
It is extremely improbable that God exists.
But it is certain that I do not exist.
Therefore, the existence of God is a much better bet.
What are some potential hidden premises here?
May: That either we or God or both exist. Western philosophy and neuroscience are beginning to catch up with Eastern philosophies such as Buddhism, the Abiddama in particular, Vedanta, the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali and the psychological theories and phenomenological observations of G.I. Gurdjieff. In particular neuroscientist Sam Harris is insightful and Thomas Metzinger, author of *Being No One — The Self-Model Theory of Subjectivity* is noteworthy.
https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/being-no-one
If there is no being resembling the human conceptions of a ‘God’,
then perhaps we will at least have “being no one” in common with He/She/It.
(As you know, *Stains Upon the Silence* is “something for no one.”)
Here is one possible relationship among ourselves and the other:
“More and less than stardust
The perceiving subject and the object perceived,
‘internally’ and ‘externally’, are usually separate in our ordinary, biologically useful state of ‘consciousness’. Duality, the subject-object dichotomy, can be abolished, as in cosmic consciousness or ‘objective consciousness’. We are the universe observing itself. But as skin-encapsulated egos, we live the delusion of ‘our’ separateness. There is only the One, the Cosmos, at various levels of scale ‘within’ and ‘without’. But there are an infinite number of points within the hologram, Indra’s net of gems, from which to see and be the totality, depending upon state and station, knowledge and being, “hal” and “makam.”
“The observer is the observed.” — J. Krishnamurti
May-Tzu”
Jacobsen: “The Silicon Scream” seems to echo the infinite incompleteness of the digital computers’ minds. Are some of these May-sian paradoxes?
May: “The Silicon Scream
Behold —
Infinite recursive paradoxes
in a cognitive hall of mirrors.”
I imagine that a “silicon scream,” a scream coming from or experienced by the ‘mind’of an advanced AI-unit would not refer to sensations or emotions as we feel them, not the despair, pain and love we wetware units know, but would be of a purely intellectual-cognitive sort; perhaps occasioned by encountering an infinite series of unresolvable logical paradoxes or by cognizing Godel’s incompleteness theorems; The absolute terror of seeing an inherent limitation within a logical or a mathematical system.
Wikipedia: “Gödel’s incompleteness theorems are two theorems of mathematical logic that demonstrate the inherent limitations of every formal axiomatic system capable of modelling basic arithmetic. These results, published by Kurt Gödel in 1931, are important both in mathematical logic and in the philosophy of mathematics.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel%27s_incompleteness_theorems
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society.”
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-5; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Physics and Erotica, the Laputans, Ontological Password, “Journal of Uncompleted Projects,” OCPD, May’s Paradox, May’s Wager, Digital Computers’ Minds: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (5) [Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-5.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 22). Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Physics and Erotica, the Laputans, Ontological Password, “Journal of Uncompleted Projects,” OCPD, May’s Paradox, May’s Wager, Digital Computers’ Minds: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (5). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-5.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Physics and Erotica, the Laputans, Ontological Password, “Journal of Uncompleted Projects,” OCPD, May’s Paradox, May’s Wager, Digital Computers’ Minds: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (5). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-5>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Physics and Erotica, the Laputans, Ontological Password, “Journal of Uncompleted Projects,” OCPD, May’s Paradox, May’s Wager, Digital Computers’ Minds: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (5).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-5.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Physics and Erotica, the Laputans, Ontological Password, “Journal of Uncompleted Projects,” OCPD, May’s Paradox, May’s Wager, Digital Computers’ Minds: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (5).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-5.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Physics and Erotica, the Laputans, Ontological Password, “Journal of Uncompleted Projects,” OCPD, May’s Paradox, May’s Wager, Digital Computers’ Minds: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (5)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-5>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Physics and Erotica, the Laputans, Ontological Password, “Journal of Uncompleted Projects,” OCPD, May’s Paradox, May’s Wager, Digital Computers’ Minds: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (5)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-5.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Physics and Erotica, the Laputans, Ontological Password, “Journal of Uncompleted Projects,” OCPD, May’s Paradox, May’s Wager, Digital Computers’ Minds: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (5).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-5>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Physics and Erotica, the Laputans, Ontological Password, “Journal of Uncompleted Projects,” OCPD, May’s Paradox, May’s Wager, Digital Computers’ Minds: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (5) [Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-5.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,588
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Bob Williams is a Member of the Triple Nine Society, Mensa International, and the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry. He discusses: intelligence in the public consciousness; consciousness within those who spend more time thinking about it, in professional circles; the scientific constructs; the majority opinion definition of general intelligence; other peripheral, though respected, definitions of general intelligence; most noteworthy and prominent names in psychometrics history; arguments for national intelligences; the form of data gathering on the national intelligences; age 16 as a capstone; tests measure g; scores extrapolated beyond their highest range; and the range of validity and reliability of these alternative tests.
Keywords: Bob Williams, chronometrics, g, general intelligence, intelligence, IQ, psychometrics.
Conversation with Bob Williams on Public and Professional Definitions of Intelligence, General Intelligence, National Intelligence, Age 16, and Validity and Reliability of Alternative Tests: Retired Nuclear Physicist (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let’s talk about the abstraction of concept “Intelligence” first, what, fundamentally, is meant by intelligence in the public consciousness?
Bob Williams[1],[2]*: People inherently understand that some people who are able to do complicated tasks that are beyond the abilities of average people and they are certainly aware of dullness. While the benefits of intelligence are strong as it increases, the consequences of low intelligence are much more serious. Most states have legal definitions of the threshold of retardation–usually IQ 70. Each 5 points or so in the down direction adds limitations to learning ability, learning speed, and the ability to manage personal affairs. One of the most convincing sources of information about what can and cannot be done by the population as a whole, is the National Adult Literacy Survey (NALS). The test is done for the federal government by Educational Testing Service. About 92 million adults (out of 191 million) were functioning in levels 1 or 2, meaning that they could perform only basic and elementary tasks. Most of this reflects low intellectual ability or age related decline.
I think the public understands that bright people do better in school and that they are needed in cognitively demanding careers. The thing they don’t seem to get is that intelligence is not evenly distributed between groups nor within groups. They also grossly overestimate the role of the environment in determining intelligence.
Jacobsen: What is meant by consciousness within those who spend more time thinking about it, in professional circles?
Williams: Intelligence researchers do not study consciousness. I have not encountered any casual discussions of it. Scientists (including social sciences) like to measure things, analyze measurements, and construct models that are able to predict other things. Consciousness doesn’t lend itself to such treatment, so it falls into the abstract world of philosophy. Most people seem to regard consciousness as sentience or as self-awareness. A few animal studies have reported various experiments that may test some aspects of self-awareness, such as the mirror test. So far, such tests are yes/no outcomes with little that can be modeled or analyzed.
Jacobsen: Now, to the scientific constructs, e.g., general intelligence, what is meant by general intelligence?
Williams: General intelligence, g, is the common resource that is involved in all cognitive tasks. Jensen described g as a distillate, in the sense that it is the thing that remains when the less essential factors are eliminated. At the psychometric level, g is unitary; at the neurological level, it is not. Charles Spearman found that when he tested people on unrelated tasks, the people who did well on one task were likely to do well on all tasks and vice versa. He called this finding the positive manifold. In the process of devising ways to analyze data, he invented factor analysis and from that, he was able to discover g in 1904.
The public is generally unaware of g and its central importance to the understanding of intelligence. Unfortunately, g is not the kind of thing that people study. It, as with everything we know about intelligence, is a statistical parameter and is a latent trait. We can determine g for a group of people by using a hierarchical factor analysis or other methods (bifactor analysis or principal components analysis). Each method has its advantages in certain applications, but the differences in results are insignificant.
Jacobsen: What is the majority opinion definition of general intelligence?
Williams: Within cognitive science, I think virtually everyone has accepted that intelligence is well represented by g. Today essentially all intelligence research is related to g. The easy way out of definitions is to skip “intelligence” entirely and simply discuss g. If we get into the definition of intelligence, we have many definitions from psychologists over the past century. I will give you two of them. My favorite is from Carl Bereiter: “Intelligence is what you use when you don’t know what to do.” This is a surprisingly accurate, concise, and elegant definition. The second definition is the one used by Linda Gottfredson: “Intelligence is a very general mental capability that, among other things, involves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience. It is not merely book learning, a narrow academic skill, or test-taking smarts. Rather, it reflects a broader and deeper capability for comprehending our surroundings–‘catching on,’ ‘making sense’ of things, or ‘figuring out’ what to do.” [Linda Gottfredson – Mainstream Science on Intelligence; The Wall Street Journal; December 13, 1994] This definition is the one most often cited since 1994.
{My answer (above) is based on what I think you were asking. It turns out that “general intelligence” is commonly used in reference to g, which we have discussed in various ways.}
Jacobsen: What are some other peripheral, though respected, definitions of general intelligence?
Williams: Most of the definitions that are credible are similar, as one would expect. If they are respected by cognitive scientists, they must address the things we all see and understand in connection with the word. Here are a few, that are worthwhile:
“Individuals differ from one another in their ability to understand complex ideas, to adapt effectively to the environment, to learn from experience, to engage in various forms of reasoning, to overcome obstacles by taking thought.” American Psychological Association
“. . . that facet of mind underlying our capacity to think, to solve novel problems, to reason and to have knowledge of the world.” M. Anderson
“. . . the resultant of the process of acquiring, storing in memory, retrieving, combining, comparing, and using in new contexts information and conceptual skills.” Humphreys
“The ability to carry on abstract thinking.” L. M. Terman
Jacobsen: Who are the most noteworthy and prominent names in psychometrics history who
studied general intelligence as a career?
Williams: Given the long history of the study of intelligence, we could name many people who have contributed to our present day understanding. Progress and activity level in cognitive science has followed a curve that increased slowly at first, then turned upward as rapid advances came from brain imaging and genetics (all made possible by advanced computer technology). I will list a few of the early names, then those whom I know personally who have made major contributions.
The first person who studied intelligence, made measurements, and wrote about his findings was Sir Francis Galton. He is clearly the father of cognitive science. People naturally think of Alfred Binet and Lewis Terman as important figures because of their contributions to the development of testing. Terman also famously conducted a longitudinal study of high IQ cohorts (called Termites).
Charles Spearman was one of the most important and possibly THE most important of all intelligence researchers. He invented statistical methods that were needed to study intelligence (now used widely in other fields), discovered g, invented the first matrix test (developed and carried to the market by his student John C. Raven), and produced a range of insightful observations which remain accurate today.
William Stern deserves mention because he was the originator of the ratio method of determining IQ. The method left us with a test name (IQ) and showed that intelligence could be graded as a function of age and performance.
David Wechsler rescued us from the limited usefulness of the ratio method by introducing the deviation quotient that is now the standard for IQ measurement. He is also known for the Wechsler set of IQ tests, which remain as the most important of all cognitive tests.
Arthur Jensen was clearly the most important researcher in the second half of the 20th century. He convinced his peers that g theory was the only correct basis for understanding intelligence; today that reality permeates intelligence research. Jensen was centrally involved in the study of chronometrics for measuring and studying intelligence. He was a prolific writer of books and papers (totaling approximately 400), many of them remaining as the standards of understanding specific topics today. Two were of particular importance: Bias in mental testing (1980) and The g Factor (1998). I am grateful that I had the opportunity to meet him and have numerous conversations with him at ISIR conferences. The first time I met him was in 2004. He asked me about my interests and I told him that I was particularly interested in the biological foundations of intelligence. He said he had some papers that would interest me and asked that I write my address. Within a week, I received a large envelope stuffed with these papers.
Thomas Bouchard was the founder of the Minnesota Twins Study, which was a huge breakthrough in the understanding of the high heritability of intelligence. He was particularly patient with me when I asked endless questions at the conferences. His graduate students are central figures in cognitive science today.
Richard Lynn led the way in understanding the evolution of intelligence and (later) its slow decline. He displayed the strength of Jensen and a handful of others who dared to study race differences and sex differences. He was the first to study national level intelligence and demonstrated that it was responsible for the wealth of nations (except where there is natural resource wealth, such as oil). This work led to many researchers vastly expanding the amount of national level data collected and who showed the extensive number of parameters that are influenced by it.
Brain imaging was started by Richard Haier, when he first applied positron emission tomography to study glucose uptake rates as a function of intelligence. This led to the brain efficiency hypothesis which has been repeatedly confirmed by various other forms of measurement. Haier and Rex Jung simultaneously discovered the intelligence centers of the brain, then joined forces to produce the P-FIT model that is the standard (so far) neurological model. Jung also investigated creativity with brain imaging and revealed important brain characteristics that relate to it.
Jacobsen: How does this construct g, more precisely, map onto arguments for national intelligences?
Williams: As mentioned above, Richard Lynn opened the door to national intelligence studies. His book IQ and the Wealth of Nations showed a strong correlation between mean national IQ and national wealth and productivity. In this case, the difference between IQ and g doesn’t really matter because only the most powerful predictor (g) is active, even when the discussions use IQ, because the non-g factors are lost via cancellation when very large populations are studied. Now that we have national and regional level data pouring in in from all over the world, we can see that the geographic effects exist within nations. McDaniel an others have shown that US states show the same relationships between IQ and wealth as do nations. Today we have detailed IQ data on a regional basis for many nations, including the US, China, Japan, Italy, India, Vietnam, etc. With the exception of India, IQ generally increases from south to north within nations in the northern hemisphere. These nations also show the regional relation to IQ and per capita income.
The g construct is usually thought of as the three stratum model with g at stratum III, broad abilities at stratum II, and narrow abilities at stratum I. If you look at stratum II, you can divide the broad abilities into g and non-g parts. The g parts define stratum I and the non-g parts are residuals that have little predictive validity (except possibly in the right tail). In national level studies the residuals are lost or minimized due to their randomness. We can, however, see high spatial abilities in East Asians, accompanied by low verbal abilities. These differences are large enough to have consequences.
Jacobsen: What is the form of data gathering on the national intelligences to make them more legitimate or less legitimate depending on the form of interpretation of the analysis?
Williams: It is important to convert all test data to a single standard before attempting to compare them. Richard Lynn developed the means to do this with the Greenwich IQ Standard. It basically uses white British as the standard, so all tests scores are compared as if they were normed against the same group.
One of the early criticisms of Lynn’s work was that (at that time) there were relatively few studies and many of them were convenience studies that were random and were reported by many researchers. The criticisms may have seemed sound to those making them, but now that we have a large amount of data, the results have not changed much, other than to show strong consistency. Another criticism was that Lynn estimated the IQs of some nations by using measured IQs of neighboring nations. Some critics were very critical of this estimation. After data was collected, the estimates turned out to be surprisingly accurate.
Jacobsen: With age 16 as a capstone, what is the degree of difference in the variability between males and females at that age? Is this played out differentially in terms of self-identification in sociocultural constructs of the self seen in gender, often confused with biological and genetic sex differentiation?
Williams: I haven’t seen data showing differences in variability as a function of age, but with respect to intelligence, males appear to reach their advantage at the mean (4-6 points) around age 16. The difference in standard deviation between the sexes is 5 to 15% (males higher). In real world outcomes (the things we use as measures of external validity) males dominate a grossly disproportionate number of cognitive arenas. In Charles Murray’s book Human Accomplishment: The Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences 800 B.C. to 1950, he was largely measuring eminence. Of the 4,002 people he reported over that time frame, only 2% were women. Of course, much of that can be attributed to limited opportunity for women, so resolution of the cause is difficult. Side story… At the ISIR conference in 2006, we discussed sex differences in intelligence in an open session. Jensen believed that there was no difference, but his friend Helmuth Nyborg had been trying to show him the reality of it for some time. Anyway, Jensen made the observation that on any credible list of the top 100 composers, there would not be a single woman listed. He often commented on music in relation to various topics, as he considered becoming a professional musician (clarinet).
Unfortunately, I cannot comment on self-identification, as it is something that is studied and debated in different circles. There has, however, been excellent work on outlooks and preferences as a function of sex. The best of this is from the Longitudinal Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth. The limitation of this study is that it applies to very bright cohorts in the 99th percentile, although some of the findings have been reported for less restricted range data sets. Among the things they found were that women showed a marked preference for jobs involving fewer hours of work per week; and they placed a significantly higher value on family, social involvement, community service, friendships, and giving back to the community.
Besides life preferences, there are differences in brain structures, brain activity, and connectivity that differ by sex to such an extent that when correlations are computed for activity involving specific volumes of the brain, the correlation coefficients sometimes have opposite signs for male and female. One interesting comparison that was made involved male and female subjects solving the same math problem. The male and female participants were matched for IQ. Males used the frontal and parietal lobes for solving the problem and females used only the frontal lobe.
These are just examples of the rather large number of sex differences that brain imaging has shown.
Jacobsen: What tests measure g the best? What are the ranges of those tests with standard deviations?
Williams: The most heavily g loaded tests are clearly the best, since the whole reason we can use IQ tests is that they are sufficiently g saturated that they can be used as proxies for g. In recent years, researchers have been urging the use of comprehensive tests, such as the WAIS or Woodcock-Johnson, because they do a better job. It also happens that these two tests can report g at the individual level.
Gilles Gignac and Timothy Bates did a study on the correlation between brain volume and test quality. They showed that the correlation increases as test quality increases. [see Intelligence 64 (2017) 18–29] This is expected because g reflects the biology (structure and global properties) of the brain. From their paper, here are the things they identified as determining test quality (examples of “excellent” given on the right):
number of subtests 9+
dimensions 3+ (e.g., fluid intelligence, crystallised intelligence, processing speed)
testing time 40+ minutes
correlation with g $ 0.95
In the past, researchers were often inclined to accept Spearman’s indifference of the indicator in situations that would draw criticism today. Spearman was (as usual) right, but only in a general sense. It is certainly true that a single dimension test, such as the Raven’s Progressive Matrices can give a good measure of intelligence, but even that popular test has received some criticism for having a lower g loading than the comprehensive tests (and lower than some prior claims) and for the presence of factors (as can be found in a factor analysis) that are not reported. At one time, researchers sometimes took the RPM score as a g score.
[The indifference of the indicator is based on the fact that every correlation with g is with the same g. So a vocabulary test can be used to estimate (quite well) g as can a test of analogies. Both of these give us a good estimate of the same g. There is, however, a greater fidelity when multiple measures are used, particularly in an omnibus test.]
The reason for emphasis on comprehensive tests is that they examine more of the relatively few stratum II factors. Examining more broad abilities gives a more complete picture. You can imagine trying to make out the image in a puzzle; it is better defined when more pieces are in place than with fewer.
Jacobsen: How are these scores extrapolated beyond their highest range for some individuals who claim more than 4-sigma scores on these mainstream intelligence tests?
Williams: Of professional IQ tests, I don’t know the procedures used, but I can tell you the claimed ceilings of a few. The WISC-V added extended range in 2019 and claims a ceiling of 210. The DAS claims 175. I assume that the extrapolations are simply extensions of the norming data above the range where there are no data points. Naturally, this means an increased measurement error and requires an assumption that the distribution remains Gaussian in that range (I think that an argument can be made that this is has not been demonstrated).
Hobby tests have claimed very high ceilings, but they have not established a valid support for the claimed ranges. I have read a few of the arguments used to explain their norming and have not seen anything I believe would withstand close scrutiny. There are so many deficiencies associated with hobby test designs, in addition to norming, that I think they should be considered as for entertainment only. I know there are some people who will disagree, but they have not come forth with sound support for the tests. If the tests are not used by clinical psychologists or intelligence researchers (as shown by their use in scholarly journal papers) I fail to see how they can be considered as meaningful measurement instruments.
Jacobsen: What is the range of validity and reliability of these alternative tests compared to the aforementioned mainstream intelligence tests?
Williams: For alternate tests, the disclosures vary from no mention to numbers that reflect an attempt to make some measurements, but which do not result in a full presentation of the things a real test must demonstrate: a high reliability coefficient; norming data (including group size and selection criteria) and method that is appropriate to the claimed ceiling; a predictive validity that is supported by meaningful external measurements; a demonstration of construct validity; a clear standard deviation of 15, or a proper conversion to 15 in the reporting of the score; measurement of at least three broad abilities; identification of a properly determined g loading for the test, where that loading is near or above 0.80; demonstrated invariance by population group, age, and sex (or exclusion of groups where invariance has not been shown); age corrected scoring; citations in the peer reviewed scholarly literature; and demonstrated use by professionals.
Of these, the demonstration of external (predictive) validity is the most important. If the scores do not predict differences in real life outcomes, they are meaningless. Take a hypothetical score of 160 and one of 190 by the same test. This huge, 2 standard deviation difference should produce large differences in external measures, such as the probability of earning a PhD, income, wealth, number of scholarly papers published, number of books published, probabilities of receiving world class honors (for example, those received by Richard Feynman: Putnam Fellow · Nobel Prize in a science · Albert Einstein Award · Oersted Medal · National Medal of Science for Physical Science · Foreign Member of the Royal Society), patents awarded, corporations founded, major accomplishments (think of Musk, Gates, and Zuckerberg), etc. If there is not a difference in such external measures, there is no reason to believe that the test scores have meaning.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Retired Nuclear Physicist.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-2; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Bob Williams on Public and Professional Definitions of Intelligence, General Intelligence, National Intelligence, Age 16, and Validity and Reliability of Alternative Tests: Retired Nuclear Physicist (2)[Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 22). Conversation with Bob Williams on Public and Professional Definitions of Intelligence, General Intelligence, National Intelligence, Age 16, and Validity and Reliability of Alternative Tests: Retired Nuclear Physicist (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Bob Williams on Public and Professional Definitions of Intelligence, General Intelligence, National Intelligence, Age 16, and Validity and Reliability of Alternative Tests: Retired Nuclear Physicist (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. < http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Bob Williams on Public and Professional Definitions of Intelligence, General Intelligence, National Intelligence, Age 16, and Validity and Reliability of Alternative Tests: Retired Nuclear Physicist (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Bob Williams on Public and Professional Definitions of Intelligence, General Intelligence, National Intelligence, Age 16, and Validity and Reliability of Alternative Tests: Retired Nuclear Physicist (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Bob Williams on Public and Professional Definitions of Intelligence, General Intelligence, National Intelligence, Age 16, and Validity and Reliability of Alternative Tests: Retired Nuclear Physicist (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: < http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Bob Williams on Public and Professional Definitions of Intelligence, General Intelligence, National Intelligence, Age 16, and Validity and Reliability of Alternative Tests: Retired Nuclear Physicist (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Bob Williams on Public and Professional Definitions of Intelligence, General Intelligence, National Intelligence, Age 16, and Validity and Reliability of Alternative Tests: Retired Nuclear Physicist (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. < http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-2>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Bob Williams on Public and Professional Definitions of Intelligence, General Intelligence, National Intelligence, Age 16, and Validity and Reliability of Alternative Tests: Retired Nuclear Physicist (2) [Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,286
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Lisa Vincent is a Member of the Glia Society. She discusses: growing up; a sense of the family legacy; the family background; the experience with peers and schoolmates; some professional certifications, qualifications, and trainings; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence necessary for genius; some work experiences and jobs; particular job path; important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; the God concept or gods idea; science; the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; ethical philosophy; social philosophy; economic philosophy; political philosophy; worldview-encompassing philosophical system; meaning in life; comprises intelligence; and the mainstream and fringe theories of human intelligence.
Keywords: g, genius, IQ, Lisa Vincent, philosophy, psychometrics, theories of intelligence, United States.
Conversation with Lisa Vincent on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Member, Glia Society (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Lisa Vincent[1],[2]*: My parents both loved telling stories about their families and childhoods. My mother (Winona) was one of seven children, two boys and five girls. Her mother (Bridget) had emigrated from Ireland as a teenage with her older sister, Nora. They had left their parents and siblings behind to start their life in the US and my mother clearly had great respect for that. She also enjoyed telling stories of her own childhood which was profoundly different than mine. She had an outhouse and had to bathe in a portable tub with boiled water. She was hit with a switch when she misbehaved and had to participate in preparing home-grown chickens for dinner. She also spoke a lot about sibling rivalries and some school-yard difficulties that she had encountered. As for my father, he spoke of his service in the Navy during the Korean War era. Mostly he shared his love of all things relating to nature and the outdoors, as well as his love of carpentry and construction.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Vincent: Certainly my Irish heritage informs my understanding of who I am and where I came from. I feel very fortunate to have known both of my parents and the love that they each had for me. Their shared stories and my memories of them serve to keep me grounded and connected to what sometimes seems like a very disconnected meaningless world. I didn’t just appear out of nowhere!
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Vincent: I grew up and have lived for all of my adult life in the state of Connecticut in the United States. For the most part, I was raised as an Irish Catholic. However, my father and his family could be more accurately described as WASP. I enjoyed attending church with my father at his Protestant church, which I found to be more comfortable. The music and hymns were also better in my childhood opinion. We were a family of average means prior to my parent’s divorce, and of limited means thereafter. Both of my parents worked full time, my mother in a factory and my father as a carpenter. That meant I spent a lot of time on my own, known at the time as being a latch key kid. We spent extensive time with aunts, uncles and cousins, but we really did not venture outside of Connecticut at all, so I was quite sheltered overall.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Vincent: Well, in my early childhood everything was good. I attended preschool and through the second grade at a very small elementary school and I loved every minute of it. I had friends, I enjoyed learning, and I thought school was fun. I also had friends to my home and was invited to the homes of others. From third grade on things deteriorated quickly. I did get through school, graduating high school at age 17. But I hated most of the children and they hated me. We had nothing in common and no real friendships to speak of. I was mocked and teased for all kinds of reasons, and I had no understanding of why that was or what I had done to deserve it. It was a very difficult time for me. The worst of it was during the middle school years, when I began to skip school to avoid the other children. By high school, I had a couple of friends to socialize with and a group of teens who knew me and did not torture me. But it was never pleasant.
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and trainings, earned by you?
Vincent: So I avoided school for a long time after high school. I did get an associate’s degree in human services a few years later. I worked as a certified nurses’ aide for a long time. I spent many years working with people with intellectual disabilities and mental illness and got some certifications related to administering medications and managing problem behaviour. I attended many conferences relating to intellectual disabilities. Then, I began to work with people with acquired (traumatic) brain injury. I became certified as an Independent Life Skills Trainer, assisting people with brain injuries to regain their independence and learn how to navigate with their disability. I still do some work with brain injury to this day, but it is no longer my primary job. For many years, I viewed my primary job as being a parent to my children. I loved being their mother and still love that. During that time, I ran a home daycare and got licensed to do that. Later, I became licensed as a therapeutic foster parent in Connecticut and provided foster care to a few children, but one child in particular whom I later adopted. That is where life got very interesting. While raising my adopted child and being a foster parent, I came to understand that children in our world face big problems. Foster care and adoption may be a good thing to do, but children suffer when they are in that situation and they do not get the type of help they need. It is a big problem. So that led me to decide to go to law school, to try to help other children. I couldn’t go to law school without a bachelor’s degree, so I went back to school, got my BA in July 2008 and started law school in August 2008. I graduated from law school in 2011 and got my law license in November of that year. In December I opened my law practice, focusing almost entirely on child protection and disability-related matters.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Vincent: Well, when I start to feel like I am crazy because the way I view the world does not align with most, I start to think that I am weird. And I start to wonder if really, I am just a fool. So I take a test and remind myself that really, I am a very bright person and I am just suffering with the natural consequences that go with that. Frankly, I view intelligence mostly as a curse, but taking a test on occasion does validate my feelings of “weirdness” and help me stay mentally sane. Associating with others like me, even from a distance, is very comforting.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Vincent: That is a mixed answer. I did not fully understand the intelligence factor until I was about 30. It was at that time that i joined MENSA in the US. In school, I had a very clear sense that I was able to take tests well and very fast. I knew that was different. I knew that I was in the “smart” group at school. I knew that I was in “advanced” classes. But I had no idea of just how much of a problem I had on my hands. I honestly thought I was stupid, certainly weird, and definitely not liked. I also thought school was stupid. But I did not fully understand that I was smart to any unusual degree. I was in my twenties when I started to put it together, mostly by doing research on my own social and emotional problems and recognizing that many of my unique attributes and sensitivities are connected to intelligence. It all came together for me around that time, and when I decided to join MENSA I already knew I would qualify. I did. I have been interested in extremes of intelligence ever since, fooling around with some tests online, but not actually taking any formal test until I found Paul Cooijmans webpage. I appreciate the research he is doing.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Vincent: Well, I am weird. Socially inept, not always very nice, and often, misunderstood. This is the reality of my life. I have gotten better at navigating it over time. But I still understand that most people either do not know me or do not like me. There are only a limited number of people who actually appreciate me for who I am. I do not think like most other people, and I often fail to recognize that in time to salvage the situation. In my day to day life, I am quiet in my own way. I live a humble, private life. Intelligence is not valued. Camera shy is an understatement. I think that most geniuses are like that – living in your midst, unbeknown to you. Only those who achieve great things are recognized, and many who achieve great things are not actually geniuses. It is dangerous on some level to claim intelligence, unless you are in a group where that is valued. So it is hidden, at least in my world. Our society does not value intelligence, or at least that is my experience of it. I could speak out on many things, or put myself into the public sphere for some purpose, but it would be done at a high cost to myself. So for the most part, I refrain. I think it is this way for many people with high IQ. But I am not certain. That I why I think research and discussion are helpful. I do suspect that this might be different for others who work in different fields or who come from different backgrounds or live in different places. I will say this – when I am in the company of another high IQ person, I recognize it and value it and appreciate it. There is a comfort level there, of being part of a group.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Vincent: Donald Trump! There is no doubt that Donald Trump is a genius. Historically, Albert Einstein. Isaac Newton. Johann Sebastian Bach, Edgar Allen Poe, Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber), Mother Theresa, maybe Princess Diana. There are many.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Vincent: I believe it is an achievement. Most profoundly intelligent people never reach a level of achievement that would earn the title of genius. I do think there are many unknown geniuses – people who have achieved really great and important things but within fields or communities where the greatness is not recognized by the broader masses. But i don’t think a person can be properly classified as a genius based merely on a number that they manage to score on a standardized test. To achieve genius, a person needs to have the time and sufficient resources to take on a certain level of single-mindedness.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Vincent: I believe it is. But it is not necessary to be a genius in order to achieve greatness or great things.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and jobs held by you?
Vincent: Direct Care Aide. Group Home Manager. Nurse’s Aide. Daycare Operator. Brain Injury Rehab (Life Skills Trainer). Therapeutic Foster Parent. And, Attorney.
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Vincent: I follow my passion. I love people. I want to serve the world while I am here by contributing to the welfare of people. I have tried to do that.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Vincent: People think that geniuses or gifted people are freaks of nature. They are not. They are actually a very normal and expected percentage of the population, much as it is normal for a certain percentage of people to fall at the opposite end of the spectrum. People associate high intelligence with mental illness, with social awkwardness, and with introversion. I don’t know if those correlations are real. For me, they are true. I do not presume to know that others experience the same. I do think that all myths are grounded in some historical truth. The whole experience is personal to me so I am not the best person to ask.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Vincent: I have some strongly held spiritual beliefs but I am not a believer in religious dogma. I think it is human nature to contemplate the meaning of life and the afterlife and to seek meaning from our existence on this planet. Religion serves this purpose for many people in the world. Many people who study theology or religion are able to deliver peace and comfort to many people in need of that and it has tremendous value. Unfortunately, some religions only have room for those people who are willing to subscribe to their version of “the God concept.” This leads to war and controversy in the name of religion, which has done great harm to people over time. I have respect for all people of all faiths and see no need to decide that the beliefs of one group are superior to those of another. I do consider myself to be a Christian, with a belief in God and in the spiritual afterlife, but those spiritual beliefs are intricately connected with and subservient to my philosophical beliefs.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Vincent: Science is truth at its core. I believe in science and in the scientific process. That said, science can be applied for good or for ill. I do not believe that scientists should be elevated in position over others, and I do not believe in blindly following science. Decisions relating to the scientific manipulation of nature should be subjected to ethical analysis by people who are disinterested in the underlying science, in my opinion. Just because something is scientifically possible to do does not mean that it should be done.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Vincent: I have not taken many scored IQ tests. I had a test at some point during my schooling and understood for a long time that I had an IQ score of around 132, which I assume was based on the WISC but not with certainty. I don’t really remember where I heard that number but I was quite young. During my early adulthood, I played around with several tests, including Raven’s Progressive Matrices and a bunch of different online tests. Somewhere along the way, I came to believe that my IQ was around 146. I don’t really remember where that number came from. More recently, I discovered Paul Cooijmans and became very interested in the tests he was offering and the work he was doing. So far, I have only taken one of his tests – the Sargasso Test. On that test, I scored an IQ of 150. I ordered another of his tests, but I have honestly not even begun to complete it. It sits waiting for the day I have time to work with it. I have also studied Gardner’s Theory of Multiple Intelligences and spent substantial time studying personality and the heightened sensitivities often associated with higher intellectual capacity.
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Vincent: Range 130-150 in scores I would say. I look forward to taking more tests now that I understand the research value in doing that.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Vincent: I am an individualist to the core and respect the rights of all other people to live by their internal compass. It is essentially a duty-based philosophy. I personally feel a duty to the greater good and thereby make decisions in the manner that I perceive or believe will either cause the greatest good or impose the least harm to others. I also respect that others have different values and capacities. I believe that all people have a duty to act with good intent, but recognize that not all actions are done with good intent lead to an ultimate good. Thus, it is necessary to accept that not all ethical acts are good, and that not all ethical people have the actual ability to do good. Such is human nature.
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Vincent: I consider myself to be a humanist. The emphasis on nature and science, individualism, duty to the greater good, and an emphasis on living the life we are given to live on this planet makes sense to me.
Jacobsen: What economic philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Vincent: Free market. laissez-faire capitalism makes the most sense to me.
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Vincent: Again, I am an individualist to the core. I believe in both individual freedom and individual responsibility, which I believe makes me a liberalist. Within my liberalistic views, I consider myself to be on the conservative side of things, believing in a very limited government.
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Vincent: I believe in both the natural and the spiritual world and understand that all people function based on their own beliefs and experiences. These is no purpose or benefit to disrespecting the worldview of others. Thus, we are all just individuals doing our best to get by in the times and circumstances in which we are living and that is as it should be.
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Vincent: I get the most meaning in life from the experiences that I have day to day and from the people who share those experiences with me. I love all of nature and all of human life. I value serving others and contributing to my society in a meaningful way. I value beauty and art and music and the glory of nature in all its forms. I value learning and all new experiences. I truly do love my life and value every moment of it.
Jacobsen: To set the stage for the further conversation, what comprises intelligence in the abstract?
Vincent: Beauty is intelligence in the abstract. Art, language, music, every architectural and engineering marvel, medicine. Wherever there is manmade beauty, intelligence is behind it. Not sure if that is what you meant, but that is how I interpreted your question.
Jacobsen: What are the mainstream and fringe theories of human intelligence on offer over time?
Vincent: The G theory of general intelligence rings truest to me. I don’t disagree that there are different “primary mental abilities” and that each person may have strengths or weaknesses in these various mental tasks. I think Gardner’s theory, while more inclusive, does not adequately acknowledge the substantive reality of the G factor in certain individuals. Beyond this, I have not dedicated much time to learning about the different theories of intelligence.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vincent-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Lisa Vincent on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Member, Glia Society (1)[Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vincent-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 22). Conversation with Lisa Vincent on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Member, Glia Society (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vincent-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Lisa Vincent on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Member, Glia Society (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vincent-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Lisa Vincent on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Member, Glia Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vincent-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Lisa Vincent on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Member, Glia Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vincent-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Lisa Vincent on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Member, Glia Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vincent-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Lisa Vincent on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Member, Glia Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vincent-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Lisa Vincent on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Member, Glia Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vincent-1>.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
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Abstract
Shalom Dickson is a Member of the Glia Society. His biography on his website states, “Shalom Dickson is a fundamental thinker with interests in cognition, philosophy, sociology, innovation-powered entrepreneurship, and ethical science. His friends regard him as a visionary with a knack for purpose-driven leadership. He is the founder of internovent, Nigeria’s first social innovation company designing solutions for developing nations to attain a balanced global socioeconomic advancement. One of these is Paperloops, Nigeria’s first FinTech company offering holistic financial management and literacy for teens. He is also the founding president of Novus Mentis, Nigeria’s first high-intelligence network with a mission to Map-out Nigeria’s Brain for optimized creative output. Novus Mentis has launched the Sound Mind Project to optimize cognitive ability and stimulate intellectual interest in Africa. Shalom is Nigeria’s first member of the exclusive Glia Society and an alumnus of Nigeria’s first cohort of the Founder Institute.” You can see more here. He discusses: spirituality; a sense of an extended self; “expand the perspective on what is possible” for the young; some of the scientific and technological possibilities of Nigeria; some sociopolitical internal issues within the country preventing this; the experience in Cameroon; the primary theological and social-communal manifestations of Pentecostal Christianity in Nigeria and Cameroon; an independent construction of a spiritual identity; to reform; the “unconventional spiritual inclination”; the primitive interpretation of written symbols earlier in life; the feeling in seeing a “logical error”; prevent disastrous experiences for the highly gifted students; bad advice for the young and gifted; bad career advice for the young and gifted; crack the black box; the relationship of IQ to intelligence; the “fundamental principles” of a field; real genius; “universal thinker”; da Vinci; the gifted individual from the profoundly gifted person; Cooijmans’s tripartite theory of genius and/or creativity; conscientiousness; associative horizon; a lack of balance between the three elements; key insights; the qualitative metrics; Lagos chapter of the Founder Institute; employers; mortality in the supersociety; Transgressive Equilibrium; the Curse of Nonrecognition; the tests of Jason Betts; the tests by Cooijmans; the range of time one should take on the high-range tests to perform optimally; Kantian ethics; a more accurate ethic; ultimate ethical framework; a better sub-ultimate ethic; “right”; “wrong”; “consciousness”; “truth”; Homo epistemicus; and the idea of “humanness.”
Keywords: Curse of Nonrecognition, Genius, Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Paul Cooijmans, Shalom Dickson, spirituality, Transgressive Equilibrium.
Conversation with Shalom Dickson on Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Cooijmans’ Tripartite Theory of Genius/Creativity, Transgressive Equilibrium, the Curse of Nonrecognition: Member, Glia Society (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What is spirituality to you?
Shalom Dickson[1],[2]*: Spirituality can be broadly denoted as spirit-sense. This treatment may not readily seem to be of much use, but it serves two primary purposes: it points the attention to the word “spirit”—which, although easily lost in the original term, lies at the heart of our query, and it introduces the qualifier, “sense”, which implies perceptivity, in contrast to a notion of activity. We should appoint to all activity-related suggestions of spirituality, the category of “religion”, and since actions can be copied, religion may exist largely inconsistent of spirituality. We must now address the concept of ‘spirit’.
A spirit is an identity of interconnectedness. Thus, a spirit may exist for any system. The interconnectedness of humanity, the unity of nature, the persistence of individual experience, and even the interactive principles of man-made (technological) devices are examples of spirits in different categories. Spirituality, hence, entails the tendency to sense the connective identity of systems. Not all spirits exist at the same level of reality, and one of the sources of spiritual delusion is the attribution of a false reality to a spirit.
Jacobsen: How has this spirituality infused a sense of an extended self into a past of “royalty, excellence, and influence”?
Dickson: It is useful to define one’s existence in terms of some history, even if it is to deviate from it, without which it appears one is placeless in the world. These narratives can be crafted around more things than lineage, including intellectual nature.
Jacobsen: How can we “expand the perspective on what is possible” for the young?
Dickson: We do this with a balance of both fact and fiction.
Useful facts for expanded possibility perspectives include histories of great societies, corporations, and those of accomplished individuals. Biographies are powerful because they walk one through the may realities of an individual’s journey, and as they show us on one hand, the seemingness of a persistence of purpose over the course of one’s life, on the other hand, they reveal the constant collision between possibility and impossibility, and demonstrate that tomorrow is never clearly promised. In generally, young people should be exposed to the processes behind great accomplishment.
The role of fiction is to inspire new ideas, without placing priority on what is possible in reality. This is useful, in the manner intended here, in as much as it ignites the drive to employ the principles derived from the knowledge of possibility facts.
Jacobsen: What are some of the scientific and technological possibilities of Nigeria?
Dickson: Nigeria has a very young population, with individuals who are often driven and ambitious. The various subcultures are better suited for varying areas of scientific and technological exploration. But in general, there are clear opportunities in software engineering, which is currently being exploited by skilled individuals and new institutions, and agriculture technology, which has not been approached appropriately. There are peculiar opportunities in historical sciences (e.g. geology and anthropology), in the physical sciences and so on etc., and I stress the need for the adoption of a lofty ambition like an establishment of mega experimental facility or a space program.
Lots of talented individuals are doing interesting things without the support of strong institutions, and much will be benefitted from the facilitation of collaboration.
Jacobsen: What are some sociopolitical internal issues within the country preventing this?
Dickson: Political leadership, compared to Nigeria’s scientific needs, are driven by incompatible, irreconcilable motivations. But the problematic political or educational systems persist due to an underlying initiative problem, which undermines the capacity for social action in certain critical areas and at certain scales. The socioeconomic realities, from the perspective of the individual, create a pressure to make choices based on financial security rather than, say, ability or interest, regardless of the economic class. Beyond these common experiences, it is difficult to treat Nigeria as a single entity in a practical sense. This is partly responsible for the initiative problem.
There are many surface, quite often serious issues, but these can actually coexist with scientific progress.
Jacobsen: What was the experience in Cameroon like for you?
Dickson: Cameroon was such a beautiful place to grow up in. Everyone was generally respectful and the neighbors were typically friendly. Children could go about playing in the neighborhoods without concern. I lived in the Anglophone region and so only got to be influenced by French secondarily. I did not hear any of the indigenous languages spoken enough to speak them myself, but one naturally knew about several of them. While I mostly enjoyed the rural allure of my small town (I particularly loved those cottage quarters and the riverine areas), even in the active cities, things were reasonably calm and organized. In all the beauty of its society, it was obviously a dictatorship: people in a particular region could be asked, as I recall on at least one occasion, to paint their houses a certain color. In all, it was a place where whatever existed.
Jacobsen: What are the primary theological and social-communal manifestations of Pentecostal Christianity in Nigeria and Cameroon?
Dickson: In general, Pentecostal Christianity allows for, and sometimes promotes, a highly energetic and demonstrative form of religiosity. Indeed, one may categorize the Pentecostal churches in Nigeria and Cameroon by the degree of aggressiveness in their spirituality. In the religious reality, there is an unending supernatural battle between good and evil, and much of “evil” is now ascribed to the practitioners of traditional spirituality. This contract is unfortunate because most of what is known of traditional cultures such as medicine, art, and philosophy, are interlocked with the native spiritual practice.
Jacobsen: How does an independent construction of a spiritual identity from a religious organization help develop critical thinking capacities of a young person?
Dickson: I think it is a highly defining experience. The process is characterized by a beehive of continuous internal conflicts, constant self-confrontation, and rational reconciliations. It is of the form of a coin of audacity, having on one face – skepticism, and on the other – confidence. One is set up with the readiness to identify incoherencies in beliefs, fish out unfounded claims, while retaining an appreciation of the humanistic significance of things.
Jacobsen: As a “reformer,” what were you trying to reform?
Dickson: My personal reading of the scriptures led me to conclusions often different than those espoused in the church’s doctrines. It seemed so clear to me that the Bible is only superficially the basis for modern Christian belief. I took issue with things like the personality and metaphysical qualities of God, the significance of the gospel and the basis of belief, the role of believers on earth, and some common church practices.
As I learned more about the world, it turned out that many of my points of objection had been explored extensively by old-time thinkers; any additions of mine were not predestined to fare better than the existing expositions. A key takeaway from my experiences was that religion is not optimized for truth, but for influence and control.
Jacobsen: How would you define the “unconventional spiritual inclination”?
Dickson: To put it squarely, I am neither welcome in the circle of atheists nor in that of the religious. In a sense, I think the time arrow of my spirit-sense is reversed, in that its truth is rooted in the promise of what will be known, rather than what was known and possibly lost. I find that this has consequences in my expectations of the explainable and the possible.
There are elements of my spiritual intuition in the works of Spinoza and Jung. For instance, what I considered the “sea of souls” is quite similar to Jung’s collective unconscious, and my notions of the interconnectedness, awareness, and self-containment of nature share strikingly similar implications with Spinoza’s pantheism.
Jacobsen: What was the primitive interpretation of written symbols earlier in life for you?
Dickson: Possibly some form of dyslexia, while I was not diagnosed.
Jacobsen: What was the feeling in seeing a “logical error” other than seeing this as “highly troubling” with the school teacher?
Dickson: I must have felt misunderstood, which was a staple unhappiness for me, but I was not surprised at the event itself. Finding an adult on the wrong side of logic was not new to me, and so being ‘wrongly corrected’ could only be so disappointing, however unpleasant.
Jacobsen: What can prevent disastrous experiences for the highly gifted students?
Dickson: Our ways of dealing with children are informed by the expectations we hold about what a child should understand. This is particularly true for educational interactions. As much as possible, it should be ensured that a teacher has realistic expectations about the abilities of a student. This requires that the teachers are themselves of similar ability levels or have experience with such students. A gifted program ensures that the average is closer to the ideal, and the shortcomings of the teacher is less likely to be misread as the peculiarities of an unusual student.
Jacobsen: What is bad advice for the young and gifted?
Dickson: Anything based on an overdue correction of one’s own misdeeds which may no(t) longer(-) apply, or anything based on safe rules and standard practice, neglecting to consider that people tend to be unfulfilled when they do not realize their full potential.
Jacobsen: What is bad career advice for the young and gifted?
Dickson: Advice designed to maximize financial gain without consideration for the need to exercise one’s skills or that their odd interests are a lifelong accompaniment, rather than temporary childish preoccupations.
Jacobsen: How would we crack the black box and development measurements, in fact, incorporative of the “thinking processes” and the facts used?
Dickson: The unfactored processes I refer to are those that can be represented with language; those that can either be reported by the test taker or observed. Imagine the testing procedure as a person having to build some structure with provided materials while in a closed white room. Now, we can develop a more predictive model of performance if we have data on their approach at selected levels, what materials are used, and how much learning was involved. With the difficulties in processing these, artificial intelligence—the ones we have achieved so far—can play a great role in monitoring and managing the interactions of the test taker, and to compare results over a wide range of candidates (i.e. including comparing candidates’ answers against one another) and against a host of simulations modeling real-life scenarios. These data can contribute to quantitative information, and can include qualitative ones, as well. Perhaps many do not find it important to measure human intelligence with such accuracy and precision. There would be more incentives to do this if cyborgs were involved. Some Paul Cooijmans’ online tests, where the candidate progresses through levels when they arrive at a correct answer, are more interactive. I am considering a dynamic logical system that could allow for a high degree of freedom, while being rigid enough to generate statistically relevant results.
Jacobsen: What is the relationship of IQ to intelligence to you?
Dickson: High intelligence is (also) a tendency to score highly in IQ tests.
In reality, IQ is a measure of conventional thinking or reasoning. This includes both facts and the ways in which we valuate meaning. It is expected that a highly intelligent person can learn these conventions better, and if we can test one’s understanding of them, we can infer the individual’s intelligence level. Thus, IQ, for an individual, is relevant to any degree that their ‘internal models’ are commensurable with the ideal model of the test.
An IQ score is a function of [the product of the availability of a valid cognitive model (provided by intelligence), motivation (as supplied by conscientiousness), & time], divided by [the counter-normal features of personality & the square of the difference between the candidate’s current age and their peak intellectual age].
Jacobsen: What are ways in which to dig to the “fundamental principles” of a field?
Dickson: At the foundation of any knowledge system are the core principles, which are related to that of other forms of knowledge also present in a fundamental knowledge system. Apprehending these principles, hence, is to identify their place in the fundamental system, understanding them in terms of their implications on other fundamental principles. Great thinkers, I have noticed, all have robust forms of such systems built, and it is upon these that they construct their framework of understanding. The framework of understanding is a structure containing 3 core theories, namely, of cognition, of knowledge, and of reality. I have resigned that many of the conflicts of interpretation among capable philosophers is due to discrepancies in the forms and formulations of these core theories.
Jacobsen: What separates real genius from its mere mimic, parrot?
Dickson: The mark of genius is not the absence of wrong ideas, but the presence of wonder and originality in all. Originality is extremely difficult to fake, although such fakery is made possible by the ignorance of the audience. There are magicians, whose wonder rely on the incapacity of the audience to know how the trick is done, and then there are wizards, of whose processes the more one knows, the more amazing the demonstration becomes.
Jacobsen: Aside from general traits, i.e., “universal thinker” or “polymath,” why Goethe?
Dickson: Among the thinkers I admire, Goethe is likely the one whose original works I have read the least (partly because I would rather read them in the original German, which I have not gotten to learn). Yet, the beauty in the nature of his works, as I could derive from what I read ‘about’ them, impressed me greatly. Ideas such as his chemodynamic theory of social interaction and his theory of color, all with a seeming apathy towards mathematics, are some examples of his qualitative models that I find appealing. I hold the opinion that the genius of art is superior to the genius of science, since science has more reality, whereas art has more personality; science is an exploration, whereas art is an expression. The threshold for the manifestation of genius in the art is possibly further from the mean than in science. The so called “artistic genius” incorporates principles relevant to all knowledge, including science.
Jacobsen: Why da Vinci?
Dickson: Similar reasons as Goethe; boundless curiosity and mental applicability. Leonardo da Vinci would function highly in any era.
Jacobsen: What demarcates the gifted individual from the profoundly gifted person? Those qualitative proxies seen pervasively in their lives.
Dickson: The following features are characteristic of the profoundly gifted: They are capable of appreciating the significance of knowledge, with the maturity of a wise adult, from a young age. They are highly sensitive to nuance, obsessed with trueness, and well-versed in the absurd. They have excellent command of language, and are capable of conjuring entire realities with words. When recognized as child prodigies, they standout for the pervasive nature of their abilities. They are highly sensitive and develop a sophisticated mental model of the world.
Jacobsen: Regarding Cooijmans’ tripartite theory of genius and/or creativity, what is intelligence, in relation to previous responses?
Dickson: Paul Cooijmans’ intelligence is the generalization of the abilities. It, in isolation, does not contain the qualitative properties that may accidentally accompany a high intelligence, as those are contributed by personality.
Jacobsen: What is conscientiousness?
Dickson: Paul Cooijmans’ conscientiousness is also a compound of traits including factors such as motivation, drive, resourcefulness, audacity, ethics, and so on.
Jacobsen: What is associative horizon?
Dickson: Associative horizon is the span of one’s interpretation and interrelation of meaning; the subjective perception and ranking of patterns. This represents the engine of idea synthesis, and is responsible for the unpredictable deviation in creativity.
Jacobsen: What happens if these elements become ‘maximized’ in one and not another, as in a lack of balance between the three elements?
Dickson: A disproportionately high level of associative horizon disposes one to psychosis, as does conscientiousness to neurosis. High intelligence alone is typically uncreative, and thus does not qualify as genius.
Jacobsen: What were some key insights gained through work in “teaching (physics and English), marketing, research, product design, content development, academic consulting, and management”?
Dickson: Some are principles of design, team and social dynamics, confrontation and negotiation, and the ability to convince people that some idea is important.
Jacobsen: How were the high-range cognitive ability tests utilized for the screening of applicants?
Dickson: A selection of difficult problems were administered to the current trainees, and from their performance, it was noted what kinds of problems were representative of their skills. From this, a shorter test was derived and administered to online applicants, while a list of questions designed to investigate the candidates’ grounding in various areas of knowledge was developed for an in-person oral interactive session. The digit span test, even when administered orally, turned out to be such a great predictor of general problem-solving ability.
Jacobsen: How were these combined with the qualitative metrics if at all?
Dickson: Those interactive questions also measure qualitatively. It was noted how the candidates addressed problems in public; whether they volunteer to answer, if they were confident in their solutions, and how they debated conflicting views. They were required to answer unusual questions on subjects they reported to know about, and offer interpretations to metaphors.
Jacobsen: Can you expand on some of the work through the Lagos chapter of the Founder Institute?
Dickson: The FI program was an intensive 6-month startup accelerator. Startup founders, singly or multiply represented, underwent a company-building process towards a launching event. Some of the milestones include, team building, product development, market research, financial modeling, fundraising and partnerships, and sales. The procedure involved weekly deliverables on a number of practical questions and pitching sessions, on these milestones, during which decisions were made over the eviction of the entrepreneur. The application process did involve a fluid intelligence test, although the acceptance cutoff apparently was not very high (since there is no significant correlation between intelligence and entrepreneurial success in general), and a personality test, as I later learned from him on a YouTube video, that was developed by Jordan B. Peterson.
Jacobsen: How do these employers approach you? How do the talent scouts find you?
Dickson: The employers themselves (often the top decision-maker) and not talent scouts (who are not to be blamed, for they largely do not exist), usually catch me doing something interesting. In one case, I developed a novel on-the-spot solution to a basic open problem, and gave an interesting presentation about their program. In another, I had just returned from a national television interview when I received a call to meet. In general, though, I find solutions to their problems.
Jacobsen: Does this sense of mortality in the supersociety reflect the spiritual sensibilities for you?
Dickson: It’s a little funny, but I probably do not understand this question. It seems to require a general “yes”, but a specific “no”.
Jacobsen: Can you expound some more on Transgressive Equilibrium?
Dickson: The Transgressive Equilibrium is a theoretical stage of balance—an inevitable stage in our civilization as a consequence of continued progress should humanity not go extinct—of which there are two conceptions: the economic state and the epistemic state. First, I suggest that such a stage must exist in a given world, and then that we should assume that it is ours. Speculative features of the states considered so far are:
In the economic state, resources are optimized to whatever degree that that is possible, and waste is eliminated. Since the most valuable resources are ideas, such an optimization is achieved by an advanced idea processing system. Now, the thought of an economic system wherein the use of resources are maximized sounds quite usual. However, it is not so that current systems can, even if they wanted to, maximize resources for the common cause, because they are inherently designed to maximize political power for non-cooperative governments; thus, such a state must be preceded by a sociocultural evolution of common consciousness. A Transgressive Equilibrium is distributed and decentralized, and yet maintains better oversight and is on the whole more integrated with the help of technology.
In the epistemic state, whatever can be known will be known, and whatever has been known is accessible. Matter manipulation is mastered, time is tamed, and the physical cost of experimentation is infinitesimal, as all possible events can be simulated. Even the most trivial things are considered important and expected to be understood perfectly, and all positions of knowledge exploration are considered useful roles. People recognize themselves as experimenters in a common research adventure, and there is perfect transmission of and access to information.
Jacobsen: With the Curse of Nonrecognition, what about ‘insights’ spread out into ‘experts’ who produce ‘knowledge,’ i.e., in a false manner? What about the cognitive limitations of individuals of different mental abilities? Do these impede the progress and reduce the number of possible items capable of acceptance as “common knowledge”? As many exist, and more will exist, even so, human nature seems, more or less, stable in spite of this bubbling brew of growing common knowledge in addition to misinformation, disinformation, and ‘knowledge’ alongside it. It seems akin to the internet. Some aspects facilitate more spreading of knowledge. Others encourage the spreading of lies, falsehoods, junk science, and conspiracy theories.
Dickson: Cognitive ability limitations do minimize the sophistication of common knowledge. But while this barrier is pronounced per generation, on one hand, the human capacity for learning compounds over time, and on the other hand, knowledge is being broken down and synthesized so that it becomes more accessible especially to members of a future generation whose understanding of the world are based on more advanced (and more relevant) premises. Furthermore, humanity invests in improving and augmenting the intelligence of humans while developing more intelligent artificial systems. Consequently, generational instances of common knowledge show a trend of increasingly advanced concepts over time.
Since society adopts knowledge when they are useful, it is natural that malformed knowledge would be adopted. As long as malformed knowledge volumes do not drown well-formed ones, positive growth is inevitable. It takes less than 1% to drive progress in any domain. The internet keeps a lot of people busy, which is a brilliant way for humanity to manage its population during their less productive hours.
Jacobsen: Why take the tests of Jason Betts?
Dickson: Jason Betts’ tests are fun and yet serious, very accurate for whatever it is they really measure, and one gets a very good return on time investment. But “why” for me would be because I learned about him at the time I did.
Jacobsen: What were some of the or have been some of the tests by Cooijmans taken by you?
Dickson: The Nemesis Test, Test of the Beheaded Man, and GRIT and The Piper’s Test, with others. I consider my submission of the first two, which were the earliest I took (I submitted all this year – 2020) to be a waste, although I enjoyed the problem-solving experience.
Jacobsen: What is the range of time one should take on the high-range tests to perform optimally?
Dickson: The tests come in a fairly broad range of difficulty. One can achieve scores up to 160 in 2 weeks, as my experience shows. But those who have had the highest scores on the tests report spending months on and off. Some things simply take time to accomplish, but this does not to say that everyone would accomplish them if they spent the time. Some tests are tricky in that one thinks they are done when they aren’t, and test-taken experience may help mitigate such an effect.
Jacobsen: Why is Kantian ethics intuitive for you?
Dickson: I think the intuitiveness of Kantian ethics lies in its appeal to rationality. It has a natural design, whose necessity emerges as a consequence of social interaction.
Jacobsen: What title might capture a more accurate ethic in this broader framework than “Kantian”?
Dickson: Against forming a compound eponymous title, I would say, since Kant has already done the dirty work, let’s call it ultra-Kantian.
Jacobsen: If an “ultimate ethical framework must contain a solution to the question, what is the purpose of humanity?”, what would be it?
Dickson: Developing this is clearly a difficult task, and so even a coherent summary is not available, but I can speak sparingly on certain features of such a system.
The ultimate ethical framework must be primarily descriptive, revealing things as they are, and then contain in itself parameters for deriving prescriptive rules. It must entail universal laws and universally acceptable principles, while containing conditions for non-compliance. It would point to an Ultimate Will, one which all must adhere to whether they realize it or not, and it is within this that the purpose of humanity is derived.
Jacobsen: Or if a better sub-ultimate ethic compared to those on offer, what would comprise an ethic in its contents and derivatives the answer to the question about the “purpose of humanity”? One sub-ultimate ethic still within the ultimate ethical framework.
Dickson: We must be able to discern the teleological properties of reality and then of humanity (both of which are practically inseparable), and note the ways in which we contribute to these. Also, a notable general feature of what I consider a practical ethical system is that it is designed for optimization and not discrimination. Taking these together, we can sense the ethical structure around breaking the Curse of Nonrecognition, with the prescriptions including gaining knowledge, enhancing one’s abilities, solving problems, being loyal only to truth, and recording one’s findings. Curiosity is the principal currency.
Jacobsen: How do you define “right”?
Dickson: Right is the adequate treatment of situations; that is, correct judgment. This is achieved by a successful resolution of conflicting selfish and selfless goals. In a sense, it is a perfect balance between proper treatment of oneself and of others. The selfish goals include: maximizing health (against death), pleasure (against pain), and capacity (against incapacity). The selfless goals include: construction (against destruction), rational action (against irrational action), and lawful action (against lawless action).
Jacobsen: How do you define “wrong”?
Dickson: As above, wrong is a poor treatment of self or others, or an imbalance between selfish and selfless goals.
I have only began to develop this theory, but it looks promising.
Jacobsen: How do you define “consciousness”?
Dickson: The fundamental principle of coexistence is interaction. Things that interact with each other in some way more than they interact with others in the same way form objects of some type. An object that interacts with some things by processing them, that is, changing their form without itself being changed on the whole, is intelligent. An object that interacts with its interaction of other objects is aware. This is a type-two intelligence, while that lacking awareness is a type-one intelligence. Consciousness is high awareness; awareness not just of the physical but of the mental; of identity and self, and of a ‘theory of others’; sustaining and remembering a history of this awareness over time.
This is only half the story. There is nothing about purely physical interaction necessitating that it corresponds to some mental phenomena. That is, if the physical processes are thought to occur first, they cannot in themselves manufacture mental processes, which do not already exist. That would be magical, and it would be difficult to point out when it happens. Rather, the mental possibilities already exist in a mental world and accompany physical processes according to how they function. I think of brains as ‘loopholes’ in reality; portals through which the very source of reality generation takes a peek into its own universe.
Jacobsen: How do you define “truth”?
Dickson: In a ‘placement theory of truth’, where facts are like blocks that can be arranged in a ‘narrative’, we can think of truth as a fact being in the right place at the right time. These are atomic facts which are in themselves always true at the level of consideration. Untruth are false arrangements of such facts.
In a ‘perspective theory of truth’, the truth is like the sizeless central point of a sphere, and facts are radial lines pointing outwards, and statements are the inwardly directed interpretation of facts. Untrue statements are constructed such that they miss the center by any margin of falsehood.
In all, truth is the accurate alignment of facts.
Jacobsen: What is Homo epistemicus?
Dickson: Homo epistemicus is the knowledge man; Man stripped of the shackles of ignorance and irrationality. It lives to know and loves to know, and would not be were it not to be that its being is of and for knowledge. Its existence would be a torturous one had it not, in worthy measure, been endowed with the capacity to attain and retain this knowledge. Homo epistemicus tends towards Unity.
Jacobsen: What comprises human nature so as to encapsulate the idea of “humanness”?
Dickson: Human nature is a product of common condition, and humanness is an acceptance or a perpetuation of features and consequences of human nature. These conditions are:
– Biological: We are not just trapped in a body, but defined by it. Our senses, and chiefly the sense of touch, mediate so many human necessities. From concrete feelings, we derive feelings in the abstract, and from the awareness of our mortality and of pain, we develop a sense of danger and evil. From physical contact, we acquire a sense of force, of power, and of control.
– Social: These are the constrained opportunities that arise from interactions with each other under the circumstances of our terrestrial environment. It is through this that we gain, share, and preserve knowledge of our common experiences, such as our suffering, our sense of hope, and so on, which are translated into language, preserved as cultures, and passed down as traditions. We, thus, embody a nature far more sophisticated than that which is afforded by our immediate experience.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-2; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Shalom Dickson on Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Cooijmans’ Tripartite Theory of Genius/Creativity, Transgressive Equilibrium, the Curse of Nonrecognition: Member, Glia Society (2)[Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 22). Conversation with Shalom Dickson on Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Cooijmans’ Tripartite Theory of Genius/Creativity, Transgressive Equilibrium, the Curse of Nonrecognition: Member, Glia Society (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Shalom Dickson on Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Cooijmans’ Tripartite Theory of Genius/Creativity, Transgressive Equilibrium, the Curse of Nonrecognition: Member, Glia Society (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Shalom Dickson on Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Cooijmans’ Tripartite Theory of Genius/Creativity, Transgressive Equilibrium, the Curse of Nonrecognition: Member, Glia Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Shalom Dickson on Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Cooijmans’ Tripartite Theory of Genius/Creativity, Transgressive Equilibrium, the Curse of Nonrecognition: Member, Glia Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Shalom Dickson on Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Cooijmans’ Tripartite Theory of Genius/Creativity, Transgressive Equilibrium, the Curse of Nonrecognition: Member, Glia Society (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Shalom Dickson on Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Cooijmans’ Tripartite Theory of Genius/Creativity, Transgressive Equilibrium, the Curse of Nonrecognition: Member, Glia Society (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Shalom Dickson on Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Cooijmans’ Tripartite Theory of Genius/Creativity, Transgressive Equilibrium, the Curse of Nonrecognition: Member, Glia Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-2>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Shalom Dickson on Goethe, Leonardo da Vinci, Cooijmans’ Tripartite Theory of Genius/Creativity, Transgressive Equilibrium, the Curse of Nonrecognition: Member, Glia Society (2) [Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,021
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Tim Roberts is the Founder/Administrator of Unsolved Problems. He self-describes in “A Brief and Almost True Biography” as follows: I was definitely born lower-middle class. Britain was (and probably still is) so stratified that one’s status could be easily classified. You were only working class if you lived in Scotland or Wales, or in the north of England, or had a really physical job like dustbin-man. You were only middle class if you lived in the south, had a decent-sized house, probably with a mortgage, and at work you had to use your brain, at least a little. My mother was at the upper end of lower-middle class, my father at the lower. After suffering through the first twenty years of my life because of various deleterious genetically-acquired traits, which resulted in my being very small and very sickly, and a regular visitor to hospitals, I became almost normal in my 20s, and found work in the computer industry. I was never very good, but demand in those days was so high for anyone who knew what a computer was that I turned freelance, specializing in large IBM mainframe operating systems, and could often choose from a range of job opportunities. As far away as possible sounded good, so I went to Australia, where I met my wife, and have lived all the latter half of my life. Being inherently lazy, I discovered academia, and spent 30 years as a lecturer, at three different universities. Whether I actually managed to teach anyone anything is a matter of some debate. The maxim “publish or perish” ruled, so I spent an inordinate amount of time writing crap papers on online education, which required almost no effort. My thoughts, however, were always centred on such pretentious topics as quantum theory and consciousness and the nature of reality. These remain my over-riding interest today, some five years after retirement. I have a reliance on steroids and Shiraz, and possess an IQ the size of a small planet, because I am quite good at solving puzzles of no importance, but I have no useful real-world skills whatsoever. I used to know a few things, but I have forgotten most of them.” He discusses: the quintessential skeptic James Randi; Daniel Dennett; Martin Gardner; Penn & Teller; and Richard Dawkins.
Keywords: Daniel Dennett, James Randi, Martin Gardner, Penn & Teller, Richard Dawkins, science, scientific skepticism, skepticism.
Conversation with Tim Roberts on James Randi, Daniel Dennett, Martin Gardner, Penn & Teller, and Richard Dawkins: Founder/Administrator, Unsolved Problems (6)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
*I assumed “Professor” based on an article. I was wrong. I decided to keep the mistake because the responses and the continual mistake, for the purposes of this interview, adds some personality to the interview, so the humour in a personal error.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: With the passing of James Randi, a luminary of the skeptical community. I want to touch on some of the names to finalize this series of sessions with you. So, the quintessential skeptic James Randi, what stood out about him?
Tim Roberts[1],[2]*: One of the advantages of being 65 (and there are very few, I assure you), is that one can do and say as one feels, without any fear that it will harm one’s future career prospects….
So, Scott (whom I love dearly) has sent me a series of questions on Martin Gardner, and Daniel Dennett, and Penn and Teller, and James Randi, and Richard Dawkins, presumably because in previous interviews I have mentioned their names as prominent skeptics. So, I hope to answer all of the questions posed, but in a slightly roundabout way.
I have met none personally. But I have been in the audience for two.
Randi first. At the end of the show, which consisted of a film about his life (An Honest Liar (2014), highly recommended) , and an on-stage interview, there was a Q&A session from the audience.
And two things from the Q&A session remain in my memory. First, how many audience members started with “I’m a member of the Skeptics Society, and I’d like to ask….”…
And this confused me. Why would anyone belong to a society for skeptics? It would be like belonging to a society for people with two legs. Not that it’s bad, but what’s the point? If I said I have a box of paperclips which I would sell you for $1,000, because it was actually worth $20,000, would you buy it from me? No, because you are a skeptic. If I agreed that Mars and Venus were roughly spherical, but the Earth was flat, would you believe me? No, because you are a skeptic. If I told you my broken down Toyota Corolla was actually a Mercedes, would you believe me? No, because you are a skeptic.
So I find it confusing as to why anyone would join such a society.
Second, that one questioner asked how many contenders had come close to his one million dollar prize for any demonstration whatsoever of extra-sensory perception. None whatsoever, he declared most emphatically. And by way of explanation, he said that all of those who tried for the prize were either very clearly self-delusional, or resorted to obvious trickery. In short, there had been no demonstrations whatsoever that Randi himself could not replicate easily by normal means.
Jacobsen: Any recommended books by him? Why those books?
Roberts: Amongst the books by Randi that I would most recommend are Flim-Flam!: Psychics, ESP, Unicorns, and Other Delusions (1982), The Faith Healers (1987), and An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural (1995).
Jacobsen: How is Daniel Dennett important for analytical philosophy and scientific thinking applied to traditional ideas of religion and the evolution of religion as a “natural phenomenon”? Any recommended books by him? Why those books?
Roberts: I saw Daniel Dennett at a conference in Tucson. The philosopher David Chalmers was another speaker, and pointed at various members of the audience with his newly-invented consciousness-detection machine. In fact, it was a hairdryer he had taken from his hotel room that morning. “Positive”, he said. Then “positive” again. Then “positive” a third time. Then he pointed it at Dennett. “No signal recorded”, he said.
This was at least in part in response to Dennett’s recent book Consciousness Explained (1991). Which, in my humble opinion, is an excellent book in almost all respects, but, contrary to the title, does not explain consciousness. Far better in this regard is Chalmer’s own book The Conscious Mind (1996).
Jacobsen: What made Martin Gardner important? Any recommended books by him? Why those books?
Roberts: Martin Gardner was one of my childhood heroes, who introduced me to the delights of recreational mathematics. He had hundreds of publications. Amongst the best, in my opinion is My Best Mathematical and Logic Puzzles (1964). And amongst his work on skepticism and uncovering fraudsters, Confessions of a Psychic: The Secret Notebooks of Uriah Fuller (1975) and How Not to Test a Psychic (1985).
Jacobsen: Why are Penn & Teller crucial for entertain-based skepticism? Any recommended books by him? Why those books?
Roberts: Penn and Teller are remarkable, and may well take over the mantle of chief skeptic from Randi. Just as a public service, let me just say that their explanation of the sawing-a-lady-in-half trick, is something everyone should watch before they die. It is available at the back end of the very first episode of the very first season of Penn & Teller; Fool Us (2011).
Jacobsen: Why is Richard Dawkins an important and direct exponent of science, or scientific skepticism, as well as an educator on the foundations of biology, evolution via natural selection?
Roberts: I have nothing to say about Richard Dawkins, except that he is one of the bravest and most honest people on the planet. Use Wikipedia to find all of his published works.
Some years ago, a good friend, who happens to be very religious, knowing that I did not believe in religious things, asked me what I DID believe in. She used upper case in her question, I swear!
I mumbled something about believing in truth and logic. Although I worried about this response at the time, I grow more and more proud of it as the days pass.
As for truth, I believe that water is composed of hydrogen and oxygen. Carbon is not involved, nor nickel, nor einsteinium. This is an absolute truth. As for logic, I believe that if George is a crow, and all crows are black, then George is black.
But how does one know that water is composed of hydrogen and oxygen, or that George really is a crow, or that all crows are really black? And this is why skepticism is essential. One should not believe anything without evidence. And the more evidence, the better.
Jacobsen: Mr. Roberts, thank you so much for your time over the last few months.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder/Administrator, Unsolved Problems.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-6; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Tim Roberts on James Randi, Daniel Dennett, Martin Gardner, Penn & Teller, and Richard Dawkins: Founder/Administrator, Unsolved Problems (6)[Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-6.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 22). Conversation with Tim Roberts on James Randi, Daniel Dennett, Martin Gardner, Penn & Teller, and Richard Dawkins: Founder/Administrator, Unsolved Problems (6). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-6.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Tim Roberts on James Randi, Daniel Dennett, Martin Gardner, Penn & Teller, and Richard Dawkins: Founder/Administrator, Unsolved Problems (6). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-6>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Tim Roberts on James Randi, Daniel Dennett, Martin Gardner, Penn & Teller, and Richard Dawkins: Founder/Administrator, Unsolved Problems (6).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-6.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Tim Roberts on James Randi, Daniel Dennett, Martin Gardner, Penn & Teller, and Richard Dawkins: Founder/Administrator, Unsolved Problems (6).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-6.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Tim Roberts on James Randi, Daniel Dennett, Martin Gardner, Penn & Teller, and Richard Dawkins: Founder/Administrator, Unsolved Problems (6)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-6>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Tim Roberts on James Randi, Daniel Dennett, Martin Gardner, Penn & Teller, and Richard Dawkins: Founder/Administrator, Unsolved Problems (6)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-6.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Tim Roberts on James Randi, Daniel Dennett, Martin Gardner, Penn & Teller, and Richard Dawkins: Founder/Administrator, Unsolved Problems (6).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-6>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Tim Roberts on James Randi, Daniel Dennett, Martin Gardner, Penn & Teller, and Richard Dawkins: Founder/Administrator, Unsolved Problems (6) [Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-6.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,514
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Charles Peden is a Member of the Glia Society. He discusses: high-IQ societies have a religious feel; other forms of periodic reinforcement for the Glia Society; the interests in the high-IQ; Scott Adams; Rick Rosner; Jamie Loftus; James Woods; The Amazing Randi; contemporary measurements of intelligence; the original pursuit in some of the non-mainstream tests; Paul Cooijmans; the specific contributions to Thoth; intelligence; high-range; and some of the ‘demons’ of this ostracism in life.
Keywords: Charles Peden, Glia Society, intelligence, IQ, James Randi, James Woods, Jamie Loftus, Paul Cooijmans, Rick Rosner, Scott Adams.
Conversation with Charles Peden on the Glia Society, Scott Adams, Rick Rosner, Jamie Loftus, James Woods, The Amazing Randi, and Paul Cooijmans: Member, Glia Society (3)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Do you think high-IQ societies have a religious feel to them, a sensibility?
Charles Peden[1],[2]*: There is a line from the song “Strange Phenomena” by Kate Bush that goes: ‘G’ arrives, funny, had a feeling He was on His way.
The idea and the hope of ‘G’ can seem ambiguous between the religious idea of ‘G’ (God) and general intelligence. Both ideas of ‘G’ seem ethereal and wise. So, in a way, high I.Q. societies can readily be thought of as having a potential parallel focus to religions.
High I.Q. societies are composed of acolytes of intelligence. Intelligence may just be something that exists because we want it to exist. We each play a tiny part in creating it, but it emerges as a discrete phenomena. In this way high I.Q. societies have a religious feel to them. Think what you want about God, but a religion with many followers gives their God an actual emergent agency in the universe.
Jacobsen: What are other forms of periodic reinforcement for the Glia Society?
Peden: There is the GliaWebNews, the Journal Thoth, and topical interactions between members. There is also the discovery of what other members are doing. I sometimes discover members answering questions on Quora.com or doing things on YouTube. There is this serendipity of “Look, it’s one of us!” That is a form of tribal reinforcement.
Jacobsen: Why are the interests in the high-IQ part interspersed throughout the world and seemingly random?
Peden: I believe there is a lot of controversy surrounding I.Q. so it does not surprise me to see pockets of interest. I think the greatest controversy about I.Q. tests has to do with homicidal eugenics and the fear of ostracism for the ones we love and ourselves if they don’t meet the criteria. So I think the interests in the high I.Q. part depends on the cultural acceptance and understanding of the meaning of scores.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on Scott Adams?
Peden: I think Scott Adams is the creator of the Dilbert cartoon, a member of Mensa, and has a degree in engineering. I believe that he is a Trump supporter and the most recent notorious thing I’ve seen about him is that he married a hot, younger wife.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on Rick Rosner?
Peden: I found Rick fascinating because his high school experience was so different from mine. He wanted to stay, and I wanted to get out. He enjoyed high school and I hated it. He was good at high school, and I was terrible at it. I could not comprehend that someone loved high school as much as Rick Rosner.
Lately, Rick has a show on YouTube with Lance Richlin. Rick and Lance are respectively liberal and conservative frenemies that exasperate each other by talking about politics. The thing I find interesting about the show is that even though Rick has an I.Q. that is extraordinary, he comes across as a bit nerdy but not particularly alien. I notice that when he is in an extemporaneous conversation his extreme I.Q. is not obvious. However, he really shines when he gets on a topic in which he has thought deeply about. So one has to be careful about writing someone’s intelligence off wholesale. There can be islands of deep thought and insight that are beyond one’s comprehension.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on Jamie Loftus?
Peden: I first saw Jamie Loftus on a now-defunct YouTube channel called Super Deluxe. She and another character named Jeffery did a hilarious exploration of fringe health treatments. Their show was called Upgraded and was done with some great jump-cut editing. She is a comedian in the early stages of her career and does lots of experimental stuff. It’s hit and miss, but so was Monty Python’s Flying Circus and Saturday Night Live. She is politically very liberal and I find that to be a bit off-putting. There is a comedian named Ryan Long who does political humour which I find more enjoyable because it is ambiguous and pokes fun at both sides. But Jamie Loftus is brilliant and daring. She also likes to flash her Mensa membership, but does it in an endearing, ironic way.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on James Woods?
Peden: James Woods claims to have a very high I.Q. and I believe it. He seems very sharp to me. I don’t know if he is in a high I.Q. society, but I have no doubt that he could be. James Woods is also very vocal politically. Normally I find most entertainers who focus on politics to be out of their element. Politics is a playground for the Dunning Kruger effect. But James Woods is an exception because he has a background in politics. His political opinion carries the cachet of actual schooling in the subject. James Woods leans heavily (but not entirely) to the right politically.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on The Amazing Randi?
Peden: I saw a documentary on The Amazing Randi a while back. I’ve found him interesting for decades. I think I even have a book written by him. He was not impressed when he went to a Mensa gathering some time ago. He has become this wise, wizardly character that seems to defy death (he was diagnosed with cancer quite a long time ago).
Jacobsen: How accurate are contemporary measurements of intelligence? What is intelligence? What would measure intelligence most realistically and accurately?
Peden: I am more of a supporter of this subject than an expert. But it’s fun to give opinions, so I will. Intelligence is the name for the property of a constellation of abilities, SOME of which are measured by an I.Q. test. I believe contemporary I.Q. tests are accurate enough to be useful in the low range. But the usefulness of I.Q. testing for the high range is still being investigated. Intelligence is such a complex property that it is ideally suited for measurement by artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence should be able to assess a variety of abilities in real-time and passively so there would be no need for an I.Q. test. As far as I know, this has not yet been developed.
Jacobsen: Why the original pursuit in some of the non-mainstream tests?
Peden: I think artificial intelligence will play a far more significant role in our lives. I’ve thought that for many years. I ran across Paul Cooijmans’s tests when researching the singularity on the internet.
Jacobsen: Why come to Paul Cooijmans test in particular, the “Cartoons of Shock I.Q. Test”?
Peden: Paul Cooijmans used to have his tests for free online. Anyone could take any of his tests and submit the answers when they felt moved to do so. There was much about Paul Cooijmans that I found credible and his test questions clearly had gradations of difficulty. The Cartoons of Shock just sounds like a fun test to me.
Jacobsen: What were the specific contributions to Thoth from you?
Peden: I think my first contribution to the Journal Thoth was about a bizarre guy named Mirin Dajo. I was also interested in psychopathy for a while and had a brief series called “Uncharming”. I find plain facts to be credible. But growing up in the United States, I’ve become accustomed to framing things in a promotional way and appealing to emotions. So the idea of an unappealing name for the series was something I found…appealing.
Jacobsen: How does intelligence become “most pronounced in the context of novel situations”? What does this state about intuitive understandings of intelligence?
Peden: When a novel problem can be solved with logic and nobody in the group has an advantageous experience for solving it, then one can bet probabilistically that the solution will come from the most intelligent among them. When dealing with problems that are not novel, then a person with experience is sufficient. The advantage of intelligence is mostly treated as marginal these days. It is discouraging.
Jacobsen: How can high-range “I.Q. results… play havoc with one’s ego,” in precise terms?
Peden: Having a high score has caused me to have this ego narrative that I’m smarter than most people. This may be true, but it does not mean I am smarter than someone else at all times and in all circumstances. I often have my narcissism checked by the brilliance of others who may not score so high on an I.Q. test. I’ve had to learn that I.Q. is not a substitute for experience and it is not a guarantee that I have the best answers.
Jacobsen: What are some of the ‘demons’ of this ostracism in life for you? How do they manifest?
Peden: The demons of ostracism are the ideas that creep into one’s head that one isn’t good enough for others. At jobs I would see people promoted above me simply because they had some minor college degree. I would see girlfriends dump me for a guy who makes them miserable. Any circumstance where I am excluded for an arbitrary reason, like not being cool enough or hot enough, could trigger a demon of ostracism.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-3; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Charles Peden on the Glia Society, Scott Adams, Rick Rosner, Jamie Loftus, James Woods, The Amazing Randi, and Paul Cooijmans: Member, Glia Society (3)[Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-3.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 22). Conversation with Charles Peden on the Glia Society, Scott Adams, Rick Rosner, Jamie Loftus, James Woods, The Amazing Randi, and Paul Cooijmans: Member, Glia Society (3). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-3.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Charles Peden on the Glia Society, Scott Adams, Rick Rosner, Jamie Loftus, James Woods, The Amazing Randi, and Paul Cooijmans: Member, Glia Society (3). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-3>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Charles Peden on the Glia Society, Scott Adams, Rick Rosner, Jamie Loftus, James Woods, The Amazing Randi, and Paul Cooijmans: Member, Glia Society (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-3.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Charles Peden on the Glia Society, Scott Adams, Rick Rosner, Jamie Loftus, James Woods, The Amazing Randi, and Paul Cooijmans: Member, Glia Society (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-3.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Charles Peden on the Glia Society, Scott Adams, Rick Rosner, Jamie Loftus, James Woods, The Amazing Randi, and Paul Cooijmans: Member, Glia Society (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-3>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Charles Peden on the Glia Society, Scott Adams, Rick Rosner, Jamie Loftus, James Woods, The Amazing Randi, and Paul Cooijmans: Member, Glia Society (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-3.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Charles Peden on the Glia Society, Scott Adams, Rick Rosner, Jamie Loftus, James Woods, The Amazing Randi, and Paul Cooijmans: Member, Glia Society (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-3>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Charles Peden on the Glia Society, Scott Adams, Rick Rosner, Jamie Loftus, James Woods, The Amazing Randi, and Paul Cooijmans: Member, Glia Society (3) [Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-3.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,134
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Olav Hoel Dørum was the Ombudsman for Mensa Norway. He discusses: growing up; an extended self; the family background; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences and educational certifications; the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; some social and political views; the God concept or gods idea; science; the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; ethical philosophy.
Keywords: intelligence, life, Olav Hoel Dørum, Mensa Norway, Norway.
Conversation with Olav Hoel Dørum on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, WAIS-III, and Optimistic Nihilism: Former Ombudsman, Mensa Norway (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Olav Hoel Dørum [1],[2]*: There have been many highly skilled and intelligent people on my father’s side. My uncle was a widely endorsed expert in cardiology and my grandfather was a highly skilled doctor, but not any prominent figures in the way you probably think of.
Jacobsen: Have these stores helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Dørum: It was motivating knowing that I came from a resourceful family. I think I projected that into myself since I’ve always had problems concentrating. A warm pat on the back saying “you can do this”.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Dørum: A pretty ordinary country family. Nothing that stands out to me. Not religious in any way. A calm, down to earth and analytical approach to life and the world around.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Dørum: It was hard to connect at a deeper level. I wasn’t particularly popular but not unpopular either. I’ve been described as an intelligent and somewhat eccentric person with an absurd sense of humour. My social skills weren’t so good back then, so I was often puzzled by the way things turned out. But nothing bad in any way. I often feel different, but always accepted and well-liked.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Dørum: I’ve always had a traditional view on psychological tests – intelligence tests included. Besides being an invaluable clinical tool, it can start the process of making yourself more confident and improve your quality of life. If you have skills, you are generally speaking better off cultivating them. If you fall into the normal range, you know that – so if you feel a bit off you can start looking somewhere else for answers instead of falling into arrogance thinking you are better than others. If you score noticeably below average you can work on finding new ways of learning things, ask for help and forgive yourself for failing to reach an ambitious goal. Acceptance and inner peace is a good reason to take an intelligence test. Although most people wouldn’t benefit from taking a psychological test of any sort. It’s too easy to set counterproductive goals and expectations. Most people seem to have a reasonable idea of what they are capable of and are perfectly fine with who they are.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Dørum: The confirmation was when I was 20 when I took the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale – III, as a part of a medical screening process. My parents had always thought I was highly intelligent, but ain’t that typical.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Dørum: Lack of cultural sophistication is one reason. Historically speaking, it wasn’t until quite recently, I’d say the last 10-15 years, we developed a healthy tolerance for people with mental handicaps, eccentric personalities, sexual orientation or just about anything that made you different. The other reason is that intelligence is power. You can be poorly equipped in almost any other domain, but you will have a hard time finding someone who without much hesitation or objection says that he or she is less intelligent. It’s as if everybody, at some level – even if it’s purely emotional, knows what modern research uses to validate I.Q. tests – that intelligence correlates highly with social and economic success. Nobody wants to be limited that way, so making fun of someone more intelligent than you could be a way to react. The third reason could be that the heroes of progress, from a common man’s perspective, were more closely linked to military talents, entrepreneurship or political power, so geniuses with little interest in success weren’t acknowledged for their role. A fourth reason is that the personality trait “openness to experience”, intellectual curiosity, has a moderate to high correlation with I.Q. It is not unreasonable to assume genuines held views, moral perspectives or lived a lifestyle not accepted at that time. The story of the lonely and mocked genius sells better than those who were well adapted. Maybe the most intelligent person was a highly decorated and commonly loved general, who knows.
Jacobsen: Who seems like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Dørum: Friedrich Nietzsche and Carl Gustav Jung comes to mind. Both had tremendous insight in human nature and were able to condensate that into philosophical and psychological publications. There are so many layers of abstractions such as religion, politics, personal feelings and experiences and historical elements that to get to the core of behavior the way they did is more difficult that most understand. This is a natural segue to your next question.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Dørum: A genius discovers, a profoundly intelligent person navigates. Both possess a high level of abstract and analytical skills, but a genius can detach themselves from existing ways of seeing things a profoundly intelligent person cannot. A genius doesn’t need to be the smartest person in the room, far from it. As long as the profoundly intelligent person stays within pre-existing frameworks – that person might never come to the point where he or she is able to introduce a groundbreaking discovery and turn that into an invention. Undoubtful valuable contributions, but it’s also likely to be a continuation rather than a whole new platform in which others can stand on – like Einstein’s introduction of spacetime. If you’re “only” a profoundly intelligent person, you’ll only get so far before a genius has to give you a new ladder to climb on.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Dørum: I have many unsuccessful attempts finishing higher education in social science and computer science. For many years I worked as an archivist in various government agencies. I got a job in a small tech firm a few years ago where I’m working on technical projects, custom support and programming.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Dørum: Gifted people are not uncommon, they make up between five to around two percent of the population – depending on how pragmatic you approach the question. Typically one or two in every class. Gifted are people with above average resources. They usually do well in a wide range of academic areas, due to the g-factor. Gifted people get better results, but they don’t have a particularly set of skills different from the average person. Geniuses and true creativity is extremely rare. We all know people who did extremely well but are otherwise normal in every way. How many do we know that have produced something revolutionizing? It’s not hard to find highly intelligent people who think in very different ways and come up with new ways of doing things. More is achieved by studying the work that has been done and to familiarize yourself with the current theory and previous research rather than creating something new. Don’t be the fork where the tips point in different directions. Just because you are unique, doesn’t mean you are useful.
The biggest myth is perhaps that achievements are done in a vacuum. We all have a picture of the lonely and misunderstood genius that finally has thought something out. Progress requires extremely high levels of conscientiousness and both technical and financial resources. The achievement is yours, but you depend on a giant apparatus and high level of academic discipline and cooperation.
Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
Dørum: The Scandinavian model, combined with our down to earth culture, seems to produce a society with a reasonable balance between capitalism and social programs. The social mobility in Scandinavia is one of the highest in the world. Meaning that if your income is much less linked to your parents income, in both ways – so it’s easier to climb the socio economic ladder if you are poor and easier to fall if you come from a rich family. The more environmentally equally it gets, a progressively bigger part of what produces indifferences are caused by real world differences between people and proportionally less about your family’s background – while providing basic care for those with limited resources. It seems to me like that is a good way to get a politically stable and socially just society.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Dørum: Nietzsche said “He who has a why can bear almost any how”, meaning that those who have found a deeper meaning can endure almost any way of living. Religious values are more robust than political ideologies, including nationalism. Religion is the only thought system where the reward is granted after your death. You can of course be praised by having a fountain, road or middle school named after you, but not rewarded in a religious context. It’s easier to come to peace with a difficult life, instead of seeing your life as a one-shot chance that can be mediocre at best – or maybe thoroughly tragic, if this life is a preparation for the afterlife. It’s not until the last century or so that the average life isn’t absolutely brutal.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Dørum: One of my favourite people is the Swedish doctor and statistician Hans Rosling. Rosling passed away in 2017, but provided us with an invaluable understanding of the world by visualization of massive data sets from all over the world. He was the founder of the Gapminder Foundation. His user-friendly presentation of data shows us a world in progress and continuous improvement. Science, through systematic information gathering, testing and confirmation, can blatantly destroy your political, religious and philosophical beliefs. But it also sets you free. Maybe you’re not worse off than most people, maybe you’re not oppressed or suffer from lack of what you think is privileges, maybe you have about as much chance of being happy and fulfilled as those you compare yourself to.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Dørum: Due to Tourettes Syndrome and what they now call developmental disorder within the Autism spectrum, previously referred to as Asperger’s syndrome, professional test scores are much more unreliable due to variations in executive functions and working memory. I am perfectly comfortable being open about it. The first time I took an I.Q. test I got 128 on WAIS-III. 131 on FRT-A when I joined Mensa back in 2006. Ten years later I hit the ceiling on Ravens Standard Progressive Matrices Plus with 145 >, 99.9 percentile mark. I got 140 on WASI-II in 2016 as a part of medical screening.
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Dørum: I haven’t taken many high-range tests, but I’ve taken a few with a word for being reliable and valid. This includes those developed by universities but do not have status of being official I.Q.-tests. I typically fall between 131 and 145+. Not much different from the supervised ones.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Dørum: Since I don’t hold any religious views, I believe that the only principles and meaning that matters are the ones we decide on – which is close to optimistic nihilism. But people also need a clear direction, so more traditional conservative values such as a strive to find a deeper meaning in life combined with dedication through grinding and goal-oriented behaviour, seems to produce healthier individuals than those who go through their life in a whimsical way. I’m a deep fan of Immanuel Kant’s Formulation of Universal Law: “requires that the maxims be chosen as though they should hold as universal laws of nature“. Each snowflake would not plead guilty of causing the avalanche. The only reasonable responsibility we can demand from others is to act in such a way that the world becomes just incrementally better.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Former Ombudsman, Mensa Norway.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dorum-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Olav Hoel Dørum on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, WAIS-III, and Optimistic Nihilism: Former Ombudsman, Mensa Norway (1)[Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dorum-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 22). Conversation with Olav Hoel Dørum on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, WAIS-III, and Optimistic Nihilism: Former Ombudsman, Mensa Norway (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dorum-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Olav Hoel Dørum on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, WAIS-III, and Optimistic Nihilism: Former Ombudsman, Mensa Norway (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dorum-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Olav Hoel Dørum on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, WAIS-III, and Optimistic Nihilism: Former Ombudsman, Mensa Norway (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dorum-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Olav Hoel Dørum on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, WAIS-III, and Optimistic Nihilism: Former Ombudsman, Mensa Norway (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dorum-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Olav Hoel Dørum on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, WAIS-III, and Optimistic Nihilism: Former Ombudsman, Mensa Norway (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dorum-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Olav Hoel Dørum on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, WAIS-III, and Optimistic Nihilism: Former Ombudsman, Mensa Norway (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dorum-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Olav Hoel Dørum on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, WAIS-III, and Optimistic Nihilism: Former Ombudsman, Mensa Norway (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dorum-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Olav Hoel Dørum on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, WAIS-III, and Optimistic Nihilism: Former Ombudsman, Mensa Norway (1) [Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dorum-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,154
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Svein Olav Glesaaen Nyberg is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: growing up; an extended self; the family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences and educational certifications; the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; some social and political views; the God concept or gods idea; science; some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: genius, intelligence, Max Stirner, Svein Olav Glaessen Nyberg, Titan Test, University of Alger.
Conversation with Associate Professor Svein Olav Glesaaen Nyberg on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, the Titan Test, Science, and Max Stirner: Associate Professor, Engineering Sciences, University of Agder (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Svein Olav Glesaaen Nyberg[1],[2]*: The storyteller in my family was my maternal grandfather. He came from a humble background, the son of a country tailor. He couldn’t afford an education, but one of the rich farmers in the area had faith in him and extended him a loan. I think it was 500 Norwegian kroner per year. He trusted him to do well and pay him back, which he did. One of his often told stories was that he travelled to agricultural college by bike, roughly 300km on dirt roads. One of hos often told stories was about how he had once lost his wallet with 500 kroner in Oslo, and an honest soul had found it and returned it to him. A story about how honesty matters to someone. He did of course complete his degree, and with the second best grades ever given there. After that, he had a very successful career as a forester, and managed to extend the area he controlled 10-fold during his reign. From humble beginnings to the mightiest man in the area. But I never got the impression that the power went to his head, though he really appreciated the recognition of what he had achieved. His other very often told story was when he was once in the woods with the lumberjacks. They had made coffee, and one of them poured him a cup, and some sugar. Lacking a spoon, the lumberjack promptly put his thumb in and started stirring. (Rough and tough crowd!) But as he stirred, he grew thoughtful, so my grandfather said it was probably well stirred by now. The lumberjack was quick-witted and replied that “Oh no, I am just trying to enlarge the cup for the forester!” What I read into this story is both how he despite his position still viewed himself as “one of the guys”, but yet could not help taking pride in how others recognized him as someone deserving of a bigger cup. A bit of sadness and pride at the same time. That it meant a lot to him, was also shown in that he repeatedly tried to get this story published in the readers’ section of Norwegian Readers’ Digest. Well, granddad, if you are still watching over us, now it’s published!
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Nyberg: Both yes and no. There are of course other stories, but growing up, my grandfather was who I was most like. He was amazingly bright, and people often said that we looked very much alike. And yes, of course I took the comparison as a compliment! My paternal grandfather was also a bright guy, and wanted an education. But he had no sponsor, and became a carpenter and farmer. He was the sweetest guy! And then there’s of course my father, who went on his adventures, and actually ended up studying at the same college as my maternal grandfather. So for a while, I really thought it was my destiny after I had finished my degree to start teaching at that college. But what it has shown me in any case, is the value of education. It is free in Norway now, but my grandparents’ example tells me not to take it for granted. And also that the academic snobbishness against “lower” professions that you sometimes see is about as much worth as the fart wind it’s travelling on. I hold people who do their profession well in high regard, and “high” and “low” is just a pissing game.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Nyberg: Norwegians are generally laid back when it comes to religion, and the areas where my parents come from (Hedmark and Trøndelag) perhaps even more so. These areas were also traditionally known for moonshine liquor. My mother is quite spiritually interested, whereas my father’s interests are more practical. He comes from a long line of hunters, though, and is a hunter himself, so he is a kind of “mystic of the forest” without ever calling himself such. The farm he grew up on is called Kvelloa, a name we are told stems from the epic battle of Stiklestad in 1030, where Saint Olaf, the Christener of Norway was slain; Olaf was said to have slept over at the site of that farm, a place with an excellent view of the next day’s battlefield.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Nyberg: My family moved around a lot, so I was “the new guy” for most of my childhood. So I was an outsider who didn’t quite fit in. Plus, I was a bit strange, with my sciencey stuff and strange ideas.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Nyberg: The tests themselves? I think they can be of help for people who need validation. A friend of mine was considered less gifted than average, as he had a string speech impediment. His family took him to be tested, and he got a score of 160. He bloomed after that, with much newly gained self-confidence. That gives purpose to such tests!
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Nyberg: It was, but wasn’t when I was in 4th grade. There was an assessment given to all of us, and I got 94/100. The next down on the list was 80 points, but one guy got 96. He confided that he had cheated and had his aunt do the test for him so he could get a good score. But the strange thing is that this really didn’t register with me. I thought “oh well, this other guy got a good score too, and none of us got a 100”. But then, whenever there was a challenge, I excelled. Like Rubik’s Cube, which I solved before anyone else I knew. That is, as in understanding the cube well enough to devise an algorithm for solving it. This was in 8th grade, before someone had published “the solution”. Of course, I was a bit of a bastard about it, solving everyone’s cubes for them. After the book came out, many could solve it without understanding it. But that meant some fun … for if you randomly assemble cube pieces, only 1 in 12 cubes are solvable. So I twisted a corner here and there. I know … not very nice! I guess I had a need to prove myself back then. I was the outsider with little self confidence, and I was crafting my niche, and perhaps in not such a nice way in the initial years. But somehow nobody admired me for my arrogance.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Nyberg: Good question, and I wish I actually knew. But I notice people are touchy about three things: their intelligence, their singing voice, and their looks. It is tied in with self esteem. The existence of extremes in either of these fields energizes people’s reactions. It is so easy to either try to compete (and lose, and thereby hate), or to try to lean in and try to somehow transfer some of that vitality from the person of the desired characteristic. Well, these are my amateur musings; I am no psychologist.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Nyberg: I have always been fascinated by John von Neumann. Most people are satisfied with doing well in a single field. Perhaps some go on to do well in two. A few excel in one field, and the extremes excel in two. Von Neumann didn’t just excel, but founded or was part of founding an entire four different fields. My favourite anecdote about him is when this colleague of his was showing off his bright and promising PhD student, and von Neumann recreates the last two years of said student’s work in his head in a mere 5 minutes.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Nyberg: Air. I remember reading Antony Flew’s controversial work There is a God, and saw that he had been accused of not authoring the arguments, but leaving it to his co-author, Varese. However, if you actually read the book, and pay attention to Varese’s own sections, you will notice that he is a reasonably bright fellow who would win many arguments online. A decent debater. But he doesn’t fly! His arguments look like something out of Minecraft; square, blocky, inelegant, with no air. Or if he had been playing Go, he’d be the guy obsessed with building long walls all the time. Flew, on the other hand, elegantly places his pieces a good distance apart, not touching. He knows that if it comes to it, he can tighten and ensnare between his pieces, just like a good Go player. Or back to Varese’s architecture, Flew doesn’t build blocky buildings in Minecraft, but elven-like cathedrals with lots of air.
So that is how I see the difference. In aesthetic terms, in terms of how they feel when you listen t them. Those who really stand apart have a lightness and air to their touch that lesser minds don’t. For the mathematically interested, Terence Tao is a great example. The way he explains things, you never would have guessed that he was actually explaining something difficult. From his pen, things flow, with lightness, air, and grace.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Nyberg: A PhD in math. It was never planned, but just happened. After that, a post-doc at the university of Edinburgh, and then I just went to the dark side for a few years as a software consultant at Computas, the company that sponsored Magnus Carlsen in his childhood years, btw. Now I work at Agder University, a smalltown university at the Norwegian south tip, teaching statistics from my own textbook to engineering students.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Nyberg: The most dangerous myth is that the gifted will always survive. No, they won’t. Gifted people need nurturing just as much as do those who do not. Just because a gifted person often gets by on less, doesn’t mean they thrive on less. Put your prize race horse in closed confines with few challenges or opportunities to move for years, and enter it into a race. A normal horse who has had every opportunity will fare better! Why waste your prize horses like that?
Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
Nyberg: My basic leanings are strongly libertarian. Simply because I believe in responsibility for your own life. But I do also have a strong social democratic core. That is: it seems that many freemarketeers sort of “side” with the employer side in conflicts. And there are conflicts. So I side with the sentiment but perhaps not the strategies of trade unionists. A working-class libertarian, perhaps. But it has all got to do with taking responsibility for you own life and being able to be in charge of it.
From old times, workers might have had the character and inclination to do something with their lives, but scant opportunity. My grandfathers are testament to this. And there is also the story of my great-great grandfather up my male line: he lived on a rented farm, paying part of his produce to the farmer who owned it, as his rent. However, he wanted independence, and worked hard so he could save up. But when he presented the money to buy his leased land off his landlord, this same landlord responded by evicting him with 24 hrs notice. My great-grandfather was prepared for this, however, and had a contingency plan for buying some other land. So he moved his house there overnight. (!) A small house by today’s standards, perhaps, but a damn feat anyway!
But the point is: that kind of precaution should not be necessary. A society in which economic power gives life power over another person is not a good libertarian society. It’s not a society which encourages taking charge of your own life.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Nyberg: You could almost make an entire interview just on that topic! I have been all over the place. When I was just a kid, the first book I read on my own was a children’s Bible. So I decided I wanted to be a priest, and wondered about the nature of the soul. (Mine is light green, and resides in my right shoulder, according to 5-year old me, btw.) But then I learned about Hell, and I grew to … well, is hate a string enough word … I grew to hate the entire religious circus. Hell is such an abominable idea! And in my student years, I was the atheistest atheist you could run into. Any belief was a superstition, and even ethics was just spooks’ play to me. I was a big champion of the Hegelian Max Stirner at that time. An anti-ethicist.
However, I have wrestled with my own demons, so to speak, and have concluded that there is most probably some kind of God. I found some resonance in Flew’s book, mentioned above, for my reason for this. He had two basic arguments, one about the statistics of the origin of life (which I don’t buy), and one about the very concept-like, mathematical nature of the universe.
There is a paper, The unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics in the natural sciences, which could serve as a starting point. Why should mathematics be able to describe reality so well? Why do so many things act alike, and be alike? We like to think that concepts are abstractons we have made from our observed realities, and there is much truth to that. But what then when reality itself behaves so much as if was printed out of concepts like cookie shapes? What does a concept-like understanding of reality entail? To me, it points to a view where the concepts (or “concepts”, since they are not our own created concepts) are in some way primary. A sort of Platonism if you wish. But by calling them concepts, I am also pointing to the kind of entity having concepts, a mind. A universal mind.
Now, is this a “proof of God” I just presented? No. And I believe Immanuel Kant (there is another brilliant mind!) showed quite well that such proofs are impossible. But we can make arguments that God is a likely explanation, and then as with many such things, it is up to each person which arguments sway them.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Nyberg: Things have to be what they are, don’t they? Science studies what things are. So how can science not play a major part. That does, however, not mean subscribing to scientism. But I guess my above reply about God already told you that.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Nyberg: None. I have never paid anyone to assess me, but I have enjoyed doing a few tests, and have looked at what kind of score I could get. My first massive one was the Titan test, which I did in the 90ies, when it was published in Omni. However, grading and paying for grading was a bitch, so I did nothing with it. However, I came across the answers online about … was it 10 years ago. I still had my answers from back then, and got 23/24 on the math-spatial test, which I already knew. But the answer to the last question (that had stumped me) almost got me hitting my own forehead for not seeing it. Duh! Of course. The linguistic part went less well. 12/24. But not too bad in my own eyes, at least.
Well, I actually have paid someone to assess me, some to think of it. I had just done a test in “The IQ book”, and got a near-perfect score (*), earning me an IQ of 155-160. (Perfect score=160). So I mentioned this to a psychologist I was seeing at the time. Could it really be so that I had an IQ as high as 160? I left his office a bit elated, for he responded “Ha ha, no! 160 is my score. From our talks, I would assess your IQ to be at roughly 180!”
But that’s it. Anecdotal scores. I never seem to score below 155 on any test, and people somehow seem to think I’m in a higher range than that, and that is really why I’m being interviewed here, because others believe I have a reasonably high IQ.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Nyberg: As I said above, I had my longest period as a Stirnerian anti-ethicist, but though I retain a strong respect and admiration for Stirner, the anti-ethicism has worn off. So what if ethics can’t be built on “reason alone” or on similar crumbly bulwarks? Just be nice to people!
That is, act as if you care about them (and actually do care a little bit about them), and ask what is in their best interests. Make a balance towards your own interests, and that of others too, and act on that. No fixed formula, but the kind of balancing you do between friends. We manage that balance without a formula. A trial and error approach where you check for the results for yourself, for those you care about, and for the entire dynamics of how your kindnesses affect others.
Though … being kind doesn’t mean doing everything for those you love, for that stunts their growth and ability to take charge of their own lives, so by all means, sometimes the kindest gift you can give a friend is a kick in the butt!
Of course, these are all nice words to put up on a wall, so in practice the best thing to do is to look at people who have got their lives and their acts together, and seek their advice. Grandpa ethics, in my case. I have the best grandpas!
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Associate Professor, Engineering Sciences, University of Agder.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/nyberg-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Associate Professor Svein Olav Glesaaen Nyberg on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, the Titan Test, Science, and Max Stirner: Associate Professor, Engineering Sciences, University of Agder (1)[Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/nyberg-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 22). Conversation with Associate Professor Svein Olav Glesaaen Nyberg on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, the Titan Test, Science, and Max Stirner: Associate Professor, Engineering Sciences, University of Agder (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/nyberg-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Associate Professor Svein Olav Glesaaen Nyberg on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, the Titan Test, Science, and Max Stirner: Associate Professor, Engineering Sciences, University of Agder (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/nyberg-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Associate Professor Svein Olav Glesaaen Nyberg on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, the Titan Test, Science, and Max Stirner: Associate Professor, Engineering Sciences, University of Agder (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/nyberg-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Associate Professor Svein Olav Glesaaen Nyberg on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, the Titan Test, Science, and Max Stirner: Associate Professor, Engineering Sciences, University of Agder (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/nyberg-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Associate Professor Svein Olav Glesaaen Nyberg on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, the Titan Test, Science, and Max Stirner: Associate Professor, Engineering Sciences, University of Agder (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/nyberg-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Associate Professor Svein Olav Glesaaen Nyberg on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, the Titan Test, Science, and Max Stirner: Associate Professor, Engineering Sciences, University of Agder (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/nyberg-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Associate Professor Svein Olav Glesaaen Nyberg on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, the Titan Test, Science, and Max Stirner: Associate Professor, Engineering Sciences, University of Agder (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/nyberg-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Associate Professor Svein Olav Glesaaen Nyberg on Early Life, Intelligence, Genius, the Titan Test, Science, and Max Stirner: Associate Professor, Engineering Sciences, University of Agder (1) [Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/nyberg-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,102
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: an affair; the narrative leading into this affair; the individual considerations; the interpersonal psychological dynamics; the ethical considerations; open to discuss this particular subject matter; and ethical system.
Keywords: affair, Anthony Sepulveda, ethics, psychological dynamics.
Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on An Affair, Psychological Dynamics, and Ethical Considerations: Member, World Genius Directory (8)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: You were engaged in an affair, recently. Why?
Anthony Sepulveda (Brown)[1],[2]*: Simply put, I was in love.
Jacobsen: What is the narrative leading into this affair?
Sepulveda (Brown): Initially, Tango (who I first mentioned in part 2 of this interview) and I were coworkers. We knew each other for several years and became very close. But she was in a relationship and soon married, so we were strictly platonic. Unfortunately for her, their marriage wasn’t a healthy one. He was jealous, possessive and insecure, often treating her more like a security blanket than a partner. It was so bad that he forbade her from associating with any other man at all and she suffered greatly trying to hold everything together. At one point, he found out about me and sent a plethora if threatening messages before removing her phone privileges. But in the beginning of this year (2020), after a couple years apart, she found me on a social media I didn’t even remember making and got in touch. Shortly thereafter, we rendezvoused by her favorite body of water one evening and spent hours catching up as I held her as close as possible.
Then things really sped up – we messaged each other all day, every day and met up as often as we could. As our affair progressed, she expressed a desire to get back into modeling, which I encouraged. I soon became her personal security during the photo shoots and we’d go on little road trips on those rare occasions she could get away from her husband.
After several months, we reached a point where she needed to make a decision. After the last photo shoot I attended, she expressed how she’d feel a certain guilt for the rest of her life if she didn’t give him one last chance to change. As a loving wife, she felt that it was her duty to try marriage counseling. I didn’t believe he was capable of being who she wanted him to be, but I understood her motivation and respected her decision. All I asked of her was to be strong enough to accept the truth if he didn’t show improvement and one last kiss.
We didn’t speak much over the next couple months. But I was confident that at some point in the future, we’d be together again. I was wrong.
One evening, she told me she was pregnant. It wasn’t mine. And it wasn’t her husband’s.
Apparently, she’d been in contact with the photographer we met on our last trip while I had been waiting for her. I was shocked and quite upset by this, naturally. But I was still dedicated to finding a solution that would satisfy as many of us as possible. Which became very difficult once she informed me that her husband was aware of her state. I worked out all the options available to her, but only found one that didn’t put everyone at risk – she needed to get an abortion. Telling her to go through with it was the single hardest thing I’ve ever done. Made all the worse because I couldn’t do anything to help her during that time. At least the photographer was there for her, which I’m grateful for.
She told her husband that she’d had a miscarriage and I gave her time to get herself through it. It was all she was willing to accept from me. Shortly afterwards, they were divorced. It was then that she called me for the last time, crying because after signing the papers, after all she’d been through trying to hold everything together for years, he said he was glad to finally be rid of her.
Words cannot express how badly I wanted to hold her. To assure her that no matter what, I’ll always be there for her. Even if that meant stepping aside and giving her a chance at happiness with another man. I just didn’t want to lose her. She was my best friend.
But she became distant, reading my messages but not responding. And I was scared by what that could mean for our future. Life didn’t feel like it would be worth living without her in it.
In our last conversation, she opened up about the details of her life at the time. Her husband was begging for her to come back. But while she was tempted to do so, she was more dedicated to the photographer. So dedicated, in fact, that she felt that associating with me at all would be unfair to him. And so my best friend, the one person I was completely open with, the only person I contacted when I was afraid I had cancer threw me away for a man she’d known for less than two months. A man she didn’t even know and who didn’t really know her. A man who hadn’t even known she was married for most of their relationship.
It felt as though I’d been struck in the chest by a cannon.
I’ve been trying to move on ever since.
Jacobsen: What are the individual considerations in this regard?
Sepulveda (Brown): First and foremost, the safety of her and her child. Her husband had always been irrational and nothing was worth putting either of them at risk.
Jacobsen: What is the interpersonal psychological dynamics at play between the parties?
Sepulveda (Brown): She needed a healthy, supportive relationship that fulfilled her and helped her achieve her goals. As for me, I got my best friend back and felt like I finally had a chance at being happy.
Jacobsen: What are the ethical considerations too?
Sepulveda (Brown): The only factors we needed to consider were personal and spiritual. These were easy enough for me to accept because I wasn’t the married or religious one. She was initially hesitant, but agreed that she deserves better than what she had.
Jacobsen: Why be so open to discuss this particular subject matter?
Sepulveda (Brown): Several reasons. Firstly, at the beginning of this interview you asked me to share any important or impactful stories from my life. This one definitely qualifies and I’m not ashamed of my actions and see no reason to hide them. I also believe that this could lead to some important discussion on morality, relationships, mental health and recovery that could potentially be of service to anyone reading.
And sharing the story with the world feels like a way to let it go and get some sense of closure.
Jacobsen: What ethical system makes most sense of this formulation of (common) human affairs?
Sepulveda (Brown): Moral relativism.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-8; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on An Affair, Psychological Dynamics, and Ethical Considerations: Member, World Genius Directory (8)[Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-8.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 22). Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on An Affair, Psychological Dynamics, and Ethical Considerations: Member, World Genius Directory (8). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-8.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on An Affair, Psychological Dynamics, and Ethical Considerations: Member, World Genius Directory (8). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-8>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on An Affair, Psychological Dynamics, and Ethical Considerations: Member, World Genius Directory (8).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-8.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on An Affair, Psychological Dynamics, and Ethical Considerations: Member, World Genius Directory (8).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-8.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on An Affair, Psychological Dynamics, and Ethical Considerations: Member, World Genius Directory (8)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-8>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on An Affair, Psychological Dynamics, and Ethical Considerations: Member, World Genius Directory (8)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-8.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on An Affair, Psychological Dynamics, and Ethical Considerations: Member, World Genius Directory (8).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-8>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on An Affair, Psychological Dynamics, and Ethical Considerations: Member, World Genius Directory (8)[Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-8.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 475
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anja Jaenicke is a German Poet and Actor. She discusses: Classic psycho thrillers; fellow human beings; Werner Herzog and Klaus Kinski; “religious fanaticism”; the interplay between a twilight reality of the mother and daughter; the next advancement in science; the next advancement in the arts; and spontaneous creation.
Keywords: Anja Jaenicke, classic psycho thriller, Germany, humanity, Klaus Kinski, Werner Herzog.
Conversation with Anja Jaenicke on Classic Psycho Thrillers, Twilight Reality, Sophia, and Spontaneity: German Actor & Poet (5)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Classic psycho thrillers tend towards the dark end of film. Why where you drawn to this particular with the reflection in the works of “Das Spiegelbild des Seins”?
Anja Jaenicke[1],[2]*: The novel “Das Spiegelbild des Seins” which I wrote years ago, is based on a real story. After researching this and similar cases I was fascinated with the logical consequences of ill will, failure, self reproach, displacement and megalomania, leading to the terror of fatality.
Jacobsen: Why maintain such optimism of fellow human beings in the sense of “as long as there is humanity there will be art”?
Jaenicke: Who says that it is optimism? Art is not a fixed constant of good or evil, it is fluid expression. Wherever humanity goes, art will follow.
Jacobsen: With Pen Gwyn as having a “human face inside of him” as characterizing his human nature, in Werner, how does this reflect the honouring of Werner Herzog and Klaus Kinski?
Jaenicke: I have no clue, maybe you ask Werner Herzog? But don’t we all have a bit of a curious penguin inside ourselves?
Jacobsen: Is “religious fanaticism” a less of a “twilight reality” in some sense and more of reality while portrayed as a twilight reality through “Das Spiegelbild des Seins”?
Jaenicke: The book is fiction and carries metaphors. But of course, it lies in the core of any system of belief to be not knowledge but to leave room for interpretations, which on the downside can attract people with mental impairment and the tendency for fanatic definitions of given content.
Jacobsen: How is the interplay between a twilight reality of the mother and daughter, Sophia through to the “schizophrenic abyss” of Sophia? How is the film storyline developing a trajectory from an imaginary reality into a collapsed reality, complete chaos? It would seem hard to pull off.
Jaenicke: The dramaturgy of the story is the play with perspectives. As I mentioned earlier, the film is based on a novel and the book is self-explanatory. I hope there will be an English version soon.
Jacobsen: What do you consider the next advancement in science?
Jaenicke: In the history of scientific advancements the best achievements have been made when humans were under attack or at war. Well, we are under attack of a virus right now. That is why I think the next advancement will be a medical one.
Jacobsen: What do you consider the next advancement in the arts?
Jaenicke: As I said before, art is fluid, not linear. There is no after and before kind of art. Art is the conscious expression of the collective mind.
Jacobsen: How do you take those times of spontaneous creation and channel them into a very focused and systematic” approach?
Jaenicke: The answer lies in the eyes of the beholder and is a secret of the artist.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] German Poet and Actress; CEO, HIQ-MEDIA-POOL INC.; Member, Poetic Genius Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-5; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anja Jaenicke on Classic Psycho Thrillers, Twilight Reality, Sophia, and Spontaneity: German Actor & Poet (5)[Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-5.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 22). Conversation with Anja Jaenicke on Classic Psycho Thrillers, Twilight Reality, Sophia, and Spontaneity: German Actor & Poet (5). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-5.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Anja Jaenicke on Classic Psycho Thrillers, Twilight Reality, Sophia, and Spontaneity: German Actor & Poet (5). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-5>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Anja Jaenicke on Classic Psycho Thrillers, Twilight Reality, Sophia, and Spontaneity: German Actor & Poet (5).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-5.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Anja Jaenicke on Classic Psycho Thrillers, Twilight Reality, Sophia, and Spontaneity: German Actor & Poet (5).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-5.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anja Jaenicke on Classic Psycho Thrillers, Twilight Reality, Sophia, and Spontaneity: German Actor & Poet (5)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-5>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anja Jaenicke on Classic Psycho Thrillers, Twilight Reality, Sophia, and Spontaneity: German Actor & Poet (5)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-5.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Anja Jaenicke on Classic Psycho Thrillers, Twilight Reality, Sophia, and Spontaneity: German Actor & Poet (5).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-5>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anja Jaenicke on Classic Psycho Thrillers, Twilight Reality, Sophia, and Spontaneity: German Actor & Poet (5)[Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-5.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 881
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Glenn Alden is a Member of Mensa International from Norway. He discusses: growing up; an extended self; the family background; the experience with peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences; the idea of the gifted; social and political views; the God concept or gods idea; science; some of the tests taken; the range of the scores; and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: Genius, Glenn Alden, god, Norway, self.
Conversation with Glenn Alden on Youth, Intelligence Tests, Genius, and Personal Views: Member, Mensa International (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Glenn Alden [1],[2]*: Both my father and mother are born and brought up nearby the sea. They made a living by farming and fishing. These were hard times during and after world war 2. They had to participate in the work from an early age.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Alden: Without a doubt, this has affected my view of where I come from. I’m proud of my ancestry.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Alden: Neither of my parents had any formal education. Total religious freedom.
Jacobsen: How were the experiences with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Alden: In early childhood, I was active and social. During my youth, I became somewhat more withdrawn.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Alden: Just for fun. Has been a hobby lately.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Alden: It was probably in the twenties. IQ testing caught my interest and I did well. Took a Mensa test in 1999 and became an approved member of Mensa international. That was when I first became aware of aberrant intelligence.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Alden: FEAR. We are herd animals. If someone comes up with ideas that threaten the known truth. That will immediately initiate fear processes among the majority within the groups. Fear leads to anger and then the ball is rolling.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Alden: Nikola Tesla.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Alden: Level of creativity. Level of your ability to think outside the box.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Alden: Have been working in the oil business since 1990. Have worked my way up from Roustabolt on deck to Senior Toolpusher. In 2016 I was laid off for a period of 1.5 years. Then I got the opportunity to work as a manager on asylum reception for young asylum seekers 15 – 18 years of age. This was an extreme change in my life situation. When looking back, it was an education for life. I became much more tolerant on a deeper level. It could be tough at times, but this really gave me the opportunity to evolve as a human being.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Alden: Those are the arrows. A myth might be that they are boring nerds. Elon Musk is a good example of the opposite.
Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
Alden: I don’t have any fixed political standpoint. On the other hand, it’s easy to recognize that there is a need for political change in all camps. If I have to point out one element, it would be the freedom of speech. This is one of the most important tools to maintain democracy.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Alden: Do not believe in anything you hear. This might set you free. As long as we are locked inside beliefs of religions, we will never be able to see the truth. God is hidden inside the truth. Most religions emphasize love, but rules with fear. I am confident on one thing. Use your brain and your heart, and seek within. Then you will find the truth.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Alden: Mind and matter. Can one exist without the other? Are we co-creators of the universes?
Science is from my point of view our first attempt at liberation from religion.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Alden: Have taken a lot of tests during the last 20 years. Most spatial and verbal High Range tests. Scores have deviated between IQ 150 – 182 SD 15.
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Alden: Unable to take these results seriously. I think most tests are too subjective. You need to be familiar with the test creators’ mindset to score higher (This is of course also a kind of intelligence).
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Alden: Do more of what makes you happy.
If you treat yourself with love, you will have the best base to accommodate all the “good” values.
To force ethics in our seeking for goodness will only lead to falsehood.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Mensa International.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/alden-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Glenn Alden on Youth, Intelligence Tests, Genius, and Personal Views: Member, Mensa International (1)[Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/alden-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 22). Conversation with Glenn Alden on Youth, Intelligence Tests, Genius, and Personal Views: Member, Mensa International (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/alden-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Glenn Alden on Youth, Intelligence Tests, Genius, and Personal Views: Member, Mensa International (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/alden-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Glenn Alden on Youth, Intelligence Tests, Genius, and Personal Views: Member, Mensa International (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/alden-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Glenn Alden on Youth, Intelligence Tests, Genius, and Personal Views: Member, Mensa International (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/alden-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Glenn Alden on Youth, Intelligence Tests, Genius, and Personal Views: Member, Mensa International (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/alden-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Glenn Alden on Youth, Intelligence Tests, Genius, and Personal Views: Member, Mensa International (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/alden-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Glenn Alden on Youth, Intelligence Tests, Genius, and Personal Views: Member, Mensa International (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/alden-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Glenn Alden on Youth, Intelligence Tests, Genius, and Personal Views: Member, Mensa International (1)[Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/alden-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,202
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Gareth Rees is a Member of the Canadian High IQ Society. He discusses: important familial historical facts; extended senses of a self; the parents’ form of childrearing; some pivotal moments; high-range tests; giftedness; the important aspects of giftedness; some odd jobs; the levels of education attained; recent independent intellectual pursuits; the smartest people in the world; and the world’s problems needing solving.
Keywords: Canada, Canadian High IQ Society, Gareth Rees, Genius, World.
Conversation with Gareth Rees on Family Facts, Home Environment, Genius, and the World’s Problems: Member, Canadian High IQ Society (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let’s start off on the regular informational set-ups for these kinds of interviews, where the narrative structure comes from the background information of the individual interviewee. What are important familial historical facts about you?
Gareth Rees[1],[2]*: Offhand I have nothing important to mention, just out of the ordinary. I was adopted from San Pedro Sula, Honduras, and was raised in an upper-middle class environment, the bulk of which was done in Canada. I have no information about my biological parents. My (deceased) father was British and my mother is Canadian. My non-biological father did qualify for Mensa, but that’s just a coincidence.
Jacobsen: How have these extended senses of a self informed some personal identity formation for you?
Rees: They have not as I consider myself ground zero, or a historical reset if you will.
Jacobsen: How did these form some threads for the parents’ form of childrearing and the home environment for you?
Rees: I was spoiled and babied growing up. I believe this is normal for adopted children. I always had access to resources and was provided with most things I asked for. This fit well with my general resistance to stress and want for playtime.
Jacobsen: What have been some pivotal moments in early life – childhood and adolescence – in intellectual formation and coming to terms with giftedness?
Rees: I was never identified as gifted. I’m not optimized for the academic environment, at least in the way it’s conventionally set up. I was scholastically tested and came out average because of learning issues at school which led to diagnoses. I have never even taken a proctored IQ test. I do prefer it this way. I have more autonomy; this results in more free will if one believes in such a concept.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of the taking high-range tests and taking part in some of the high-IQ community?
Rees: I have an interest in genius/intelligence. That is specifically genius in the context of useful research and not IQ classification at/above some arbitrary set number. Interest in intelligence led to IQ whereby I fell into trying to measure my own. Useful reasons are best laid out by Paul Cooijmans in his reasons to take tests. I refer to him because of his mature and objective outlook, that is namely insight into strengths and weaknesses of my profile.
Other reasons include something called “need for cognition”, and dopamine chasing. It’s something to occupy the mind and reward one with good feeling. I also wanted entrance into the Glia Society. Membership was finally acquired on Christmas day in 2016.
Jacobsen: How has giftedness been a burden in life? How has giftedness been a blessing for you?
Rees: I can’t say it has, or rather I’m not gifted enough for there to be a noticeable impact in my life. Conversely, my answer remains similar in that I haven’t really profited, whether monetarily or non-monetarily. If I can attain my needs and desires, then naturally there’s no identification of burdens or blessings. I grew up in a mostly stable household and have maintained employment, so there’s no hole I have had to dig myself out of.
If I ever achieve something noteworthy, then my answer will change. I have interests and my open problem of choice, so it remains to be executed.
Jacobsen: What are some of the important aspects of giftedness not talked about enough in cultures?
Rees: I think a lack of support if there is such a thing is worse than any aspects not talked about. I don’t have a good answer for this as I personally don’t consider it a problem. Labeling one as gifted usually generates expectations. Expectations can be a burden especially if they aren’t one’s own. Depending on the person, guidance and freedom are the most important aspects necessary for keeping that gifted person mentally healthy. It can also be beneficial to have a mentor.
Jacobsen: What have been some odd jobs for you?
Rees: I haven’t had any odd jobs, but I’ve done factory work which is boring, modeling which was awkward, to my current job which is related to software and a much better fit for my profile.
Jacobsen: What have been the levels of education attained for you?
Rees: College Diploma – 2 Years post secondary equivalent.
I studied Network Engineering, but it’s closer to network configuration as I don’t engineer hardware or software. Marketing sure is a cheesy business.
Jacobsen: Have you taken some time for recent independent intellectual pursuits?
Rees: I have, my current interest is in understanding intelligence from its metaform if it has one, or requires one, to full conversion into written theory, then algorithms and eventually programmed general AI. I’m in the early stages right now and that includes being self-funded to gathering the necessary information-based resources.
Jacobsen: Who do you consider some of the smartest people in the world, in history or at present?
Rees: The smartest people in my opinion are those solving (or have solved) or at least are trying to solve the hardest problems such as Edward Witten (theoretical physicist), Grigori Perelman (formerly a professional Mathematician) Paul Cooijmans (in possession of a mountain of data in regard to IQ), Chris Langan (very strong generalist) and all those in their respective fields.
It’s way easier to name past people of influence such as Archimedes, Newton, Einstein, Goethe, Tesla, da Vinci, Jung, Freud, Socrates, Aristotle, Galileo and many more…
Jacobsen: What do you see as some of the world’s problems needing solving now?
Rees: People lack understanding and the capacity to have it, especially in (heat of) the moment, of other people and themselves, hence why some arguments/feelings form or escalate. This missing piece transcends incompatibility or human chemistry. It’s simply a missing step in the direction of enlightenment. This lack of meta-awareness and meta-understanding can be augmented with AI as a coprocessor for real-time experience. It’s an issue where knowing isn’t enough and the doing isn’t easy. Ayahuasca’s effects are another form of solution to this problem, but it’s not safe for everyone to ingest and it’s already banned in most countries. It also is not an active solution but more of an event that leads to an impression on one’s life.
Another problem is wealth inequality, in which the only solution that I can see would be to get so wealthy as to freely (re)distribute wealth wherever and whenever required. This is, however, controversial for several reasons and it’s also unrealistic, but it’s the easiest solution given the current rules and setup people choose to accept.
Population control is another issue as the world advances further and further in both technology and employment opportunities.
Lack of androids (applied general AI) to solve loneliness and love related issues. This is a better alternative than altering chemicals with drugs of choice, and I suppose virtual reality is a decent stopgap for the time being. There is a lot of missing progress from the GAI to the actual engineering required to even make an android walk like a human. It will be a while before this is even a reality.
These to me are the biggest problems in need of solutions as soon as possible.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Canadian High IQ Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rees-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Gareth Rees on Family Facts, Home Environment, Genius, and the World’s Problems: Member, Canadian High IQ Society (1) [Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rees-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 22). Conversation with Gareth Rees on Family Facts, Home Environment, Genius, and the World’s Problems: Member, Canadian High IQ Society (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rees-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Gareth Rees on Family Facts, Home Environment, Genius, and the World’s Problems: Member, Canadian High IQ Society (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rees-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Gareth Rees on Family Facts, Home Environment, Genius, and the World’s Problems: Member, Canadian High IQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rees-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Gareth Rees on Family Facts, Home Environment, Genius, and the World’s Problems: Member, Canadian High IQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rees-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Gareth Rees on Family Facts, Home Environment, Genius, and the World’s Problems: Member, Canadian High IQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rees-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Gareth Rees on Family Facts, Home Environment, Genius, and the World’s Problems: Member, Canadian High IQ Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rees-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Gareth Rees on Family Facts, Home Environment, Genius, and the World’s Problems: Member, Canadian High IQ Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rees-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Gareth Rees on Family Facts, Home Environment, Genius, and the World’s Problems: Member, Canadian High IQ Society (1)[Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rees-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,914
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Erik Haereid is an Actuarial Scientist and Statistician. Eivind Olsen is the Chair of Mensa Norway. Tor Arne Jørgensen is the 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe. They discuss: some common sentiments in Mensa Norway or commentary around Mensa International on the first point of “the positive social club aspects”; the common sentiments about the “harsh social environment”; two divergent trends in Mensa International and in the high-range communities with the high-range communities exhibiting many of the same symptoms; the FB-forum and social media in general for these various communities; edge the trends more towards mutual respect; individuals within the high-IQ and high-range communities; the catastrophes of WWII; motivation for its existence changed over time; more than a social club; and serious and more fun outgrowths of Mensa Norway.
Keywords: Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, IQ, Mensa, Mensa Norway, Tor Arne Jørgensen.
Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Some have commented on the positive social club aspects of Mensa International for them. Others have commented on the harsh nature of the social environment for them. What are some common sentiments in Mensa Norway or commentary around Mensa International on the first point of “the positive social club aspects”?
Erik Haereid[1]*: I am not active in Mensa, but my impression is “that very intelligent people meet peers”; meeting people that think and talk like themselves, and that’s rewarding. Some, maybe a lot of people with IQs over 130 feel different compared to the general population. Mensa provides an environment where it’s ok asking odd or complex questions about anything. At least concerning most issues.
Meeting Mensans from abroad enriches Mensans in every country; meeting other cultures and maybe pinpoint some common features independent of nations.
Eivind Olsen[3],[4]: Several members have said it felt like they “found a home.” For some members, the social aspect is important. Others are happy enough just to get the membership magazine.
Jacobsen: What about the common sentiments about the “harsh social environment”?
Haereid: Free speech is not free speech. It’s quite obvious that some are more liked and popular than others. There’s some discrimination and racism inside Mensa. It’s to some degree about likes and who you want to discuss with, and not what is discussed. It’s about how you comment depending on the other person; who is who. That infects the environment, unfortunately. Talking bad about persons behind their backs, building friendship through establishing social hierarchies, defining some as more worth than others. This is, to me surprisingly, a part of Mensa, as in the general population. It should be banned in a community like Mensa. Mensans should solve conflicts, not create them. Mensans should reflect on their emotions and expressions, not only live unconsciously with them.
Olsen: There are several different Facebook groups, each with its own “community standards” and environment. When you have a high number of people interacting, you’re bound to have people with incompatible personalities. There’s always someone going on about their “freedumb of speech” being violated when it’s suggested that perhaps their comments are missing the mark. Most manage to get along just fine.
Jacobsen: What seems to explain these two divergent trends in Mensa International and in the high-range communities with the high-range communities exhibiting many of the same symptoms?
Haereid: Personal or emotional insecurity. Need for power (over oneself) and identification with one’s high IQ. Differences among individuals seem to be a plus in general if you accept yourself as different. People who show others that they are different or unique, and are substantially proud of it, are often charming and accepted as different. We are all different in many ways, and everyone wants to be themselves among others, removing the masks and just be without all the restraints. If people clap and stay when the fat lady sings, without being ironic, she has hit some need in the audience that is important for everyone.
Tor Arne Jørgensen[2]*: As I have given a blank reply on the two previous questions by reasons of not being a former nor a current member of Mensa Norway. I find myself curious about this and the two previous questions, and the respective answers that will then appear in the comments from both Erik and Eivind as this is more their expertise.
Olsen: That’s a good question, which I don’t really have a good answer for. Perhaps Mensa and the other high-IQ communities cater to different needs, for different personality types. As observed from the outside, I get the impression that for at least some of the high-IQ communities it seems to be more about competition and prestige, with the personal goal to become a member of as many communities as possible. “Gotta catch ’em all!” If it’s more about joining an organization for the social aspect, it often makes more sense to join one with members in your region.
Jacobsen: Is some of this made worse with the FB-forum and social media in general for these various communities?
Haereid: Yes. Social media has the tendency to remove personal responsibility and feelings of empathy and sympathy towards each other; it makes us into hollow objects, and potentially into the worst part of ourselves. A precondition for a functional society is mutual respect.
Jørgensen: I believe it’s important to embrace the diversity of personalities, opinions, and backgrounds, following the tenet of “live and let live.” See the others as individuals too. They can still be good people even if they’re not your identical twins.
With regards to the FB-forum/social media and the «harsh social environment», no I have not personaly felt this in any way, of course, there is some healthy competition between the members within the high-range community, but not something that can be characterized on the basis on the question topic.
Olsen: Some of the aggressive and nasty behavior comes from people that are really nice persons in real life. Perhaps it’s too easy to dehumanize your “opponent” when you’re in the middle of a “battle of keyboards.” The information flow on Facebook also means that whatever someone posted a few hours ago might be drowning in the feed, which also encourages quick remarks over longer, deeper answers.
Jacobsen: What might edge the trends more towards mutual respect and away from occasional disrespect producing pockets of a “harsh social environment”?
Haereid: Avoid talking behind each other’s backs; avoid building mistrust and planting lies about each other to gain power oneself. To be open-minded. Avoid ignoring those you don’t like; to let everyone get a voice, and respect and listen to it. To discuss topics instead of bragging about oneself.
When you don’t like a person, use your intelligence asking why instead of following your emotions without asking. Every time the answer is replaced by another emotion, continue asking.
Jørgensen: Through cross-disciplinary collaboration, where a unified goal is based on community understanding and respect, will by that enable us all to cement the basis for a strong foundation where bridgebuilding and innovation can take place for the common good.
Olsen: I believe it’s important to embrace the diversity of personalities, opinions, and backgrounds, following the tenet of “live and let live”. See the others as individuals too. They can still be good people even if they’re not your identical twins.
Jacobsen: What inspires individuals within the high-IQ and high-range communities to make full use of talents and temperaments within the general cognitive profile for themselves?
Haereid: By evolving more acceptance, safety, and mutual respect inside the communities. To dare to speak outside these walls, one has to feel certain about one’s abilities. This could be like a family. If this is the case, that the environment confirms you and your abilities, you will dare to express your thoughts and ideas outside this environment.
Jørgensen: I have made my own test site; toriqtests.com, this is a test site where individuals can try out my high range tests for no cost. This was an idea I felt I needed to explore by using my inherent creative abilities, and the utilization thereof based on the entertainment value of the principle. I have now made twelve high range test, had between 250-300 attempts on these tests. Also when I won the World Genius award back in 2019, I saw the need to promote the community out to the general public, I have now reached out to 50 000+ readers and listeners with my articles in newspaper and radio features.
The basis for this is due to my natural curiosity and exploratory being. The discovery of my talent as to intellectual abilities, just gave me the boost I needed to pursue my dream of an even more understanding world where the gifted can have their rightful recognition of the opportunities they have provided the world with.
Olsen: I’d say that varies greatly, probably based on a combination of personality and what your situation is. Some are “nerds” (I use that as a positive word), being able to focus on areas they’re interested in, whereas others need encouragement.
Jacobsen: Mensa International was founded after the catastrophes of WWII. Why?
Haereid: Because of the cruelties; someone wanted to gather the most intelligent minds on the globe to solve war-related problems, included racism, fascism, fundamentalism…
Some thought that solving peace-war-related problems should be addressed to the intellectual, cognitive side of humans and not the emotional one.
Jørgensen: Mensa International was started by the following merits of acting as a conflict prevention measure, with the clear intention of avoiding futher worldwide conflict, which had almost managed to overthrow the pillars of the structural world community during the second world war. The idea was that these highly intellectual member staff would then act as advisory reference contacts for the leading authorities of the English state at that time, thus inspired by its own core value with reference to the basis for the foundation of Mensa International.
Olsen: I guess most of you have heard the story about how Roland Berrill and Lancelot Ware met on a train, and during a conversation they decided they should start a “high IQ club”, a think-tank meant to give advice to governments and ensuring that we’ll not have a WWIII. Now, I can’t guarantee that the story is accurate. We do seem to be doing fine at preventing WWIII though, since it hasn’t happened yet 🙂
Jacobsen: How has this motivation for its existence changed over time?
Haereid: It seems that it focuses on the social club aspect, i.e. making very intelligent people feel at home somewhere, and finding the right tools to measure intelligence. MI claims “to identify and foster human intelligence for the benefit of humanity”, as it is written in one of their three stated purposes today. But what, how, when, and where?
I think there is a lot of potential inside Mensa, but that the connection with the general population is slim. You have to be heard. You have to connect to the real world. And you have to understand what is important and possible to do something with, and not. As very intelligent you should know that moving mountains is a question of time and methods, and not if it’s possible or not.
It’s a difficult task, because some parts of science have decided that humans are absolute and unchangeable evil or brutal and that it’s impossible to do something with our aggressive sides. If you choose to believe in that, you are an idiot if you use your time to promote peace. Then you focus on meeting peers in a social environment, drink your coffee and beer, watch the sunrise and sunset and cross your fingers for the best.
It seems that there are some issues that humans won’t touch, and one of them is human aggression. It’s within the “war and love”-realm; outside any law. Maybe this is the case, that even the smartest men and women on the planet can’t deal with these issues. It’s easier to play board games and brag about your IQ.
As long as “being someone” and “creating a safe environment” apparently are opposites, it seems impossible to avoid wars and severe conflicts. The day we internalize that the value of sharing is higher than not sharing, we will evolve beyond the limit of pathologic egoism. To reach this level, we have to experience it as more valuable; we have to trust in it. We can’t remove “What’s in it for me?”, but we can hopefully make “What’s in it for me?” compatible with everyone else’s.
Jørgensen: This question is best answered by Erik and Eivind, who are both active members themselves of Mensa Norway. What I have as a non-member of Mensa Norway is then best replied solely based on what is written on the official Mensa Norway’s homepage, where the following fact is pointed out about the possibility of active gatherings where one can share thoughts and ideas, also where events with subsequent excursions are possible to do as a type of «social happening».
So to the point of «motivation for its existence», the possibility of an ideological continuation of the lifelong origin, then the undersigned is believed based on the facts that emerge, hereby stated as a clear reply of no for me, by reasons as to the fundamental basic principle of renouncing its ordinary proclamation in its entirety. Transferable into allowed the organization to be guided on a siding by referred social events, thus subsequently not stick to the program’s origins, has by that allowed itself to fallen away as to both origin and credibility.
Olsen: I wasn’t even born in 1946, and I didn’t become a member until almost 70 years later, so my understanding here could be wrong. Due to our apolitical stance, we’re not meddling in politics. I do have the impression that the topic of gifted children has gained more focus in the last few decades.
Jacobsen: Liljeqvist aims to have Mensa International evolve, as he has claimed, into something more than a social club with proclaimed successes in this manner. How has this vision expanded to Mensa Norway? How has this, if at all, expanded into the high-range communities too – or originated independently in the high-range environments too?
Haereid: I like to read that there is a vision, and hope the leaders both in Mensa International and Norway will take their responsibility to the next level. The opportunities are there, for sure. And it’s is the leader’s job to motivate, establish goals and find ways to achieve them.
Jørgensen: Based on its most fundamental function regards to evolving intentionality with the desire for optimal growth through the means of uniformity, the implicative has not been «optimal» within the incorporative societies. Here it has only achieved its validity to influence for the purpose of measuring the basic intentions by and for its inadvertence due to its past to present result only. As to the future, only time will tell if this will be any successful path or not to follow.
Olsen: For some of our members we’ll always primarily be a social club, but we do remind our members that we also have goals that are for the benefit of society. We have a “gifted children program”, where we try to improve the knowledge about gifted children/youth. We have an annual award where we give acknowledgment to a person or organization that has done something good related to our external goals. And we’re in the process of setting up a research foundation, intended to provide funding for projects related to intelligence.
Jacobsen: Mensa International is enormous comprising more than enough members to perform plural functions based on international status and operational capacities, as well as unprecedented and by far unmatched membership size. What can be these serious and more fun outgrowths of Mensa Norway now, and the high-range communities for that matter?
Haereid: The potential is huge, and people have to be led. Intelligent ones too. If you have an army you have the basics, but an army can make both peace and war. Humans can manage to do the very best and most intelligent kind of good work and can destroy what seems undestroyable. We are strange creatures. We have to understand who we are and how we are built to build the society that we need and want and that is fruitful for everyone.
I think that if you can gather the brightest minds into one task, establishing the optimal motivation, gaining the right harmonic effect from every individual, it’s barely no limit. One way is to view humans as leaders of nature; we can choose if we want to be egocentric leaders amplifying our own value by exploiting nature and see other species as inferior to us, or we can be modern leaders that take responsibility for our “employees”; being aware of that the leaders job is to make the employees do their best and not making them feel like slaves.
Jørgensen: My personal hope for the future is to be able to provoke a possible coexistence of these functional movements towards its current existential uniform outlook. This is understood as a universal common understanding of one’s own future-oriented search for unsolved tasks, which must be met by all the world’s foremost intellectuals in a united front by reasons alone as to preserve the unintended future outcome.
Olsen: That depends largely on our volunteers. Having a higher number of members doesn’t guarantee that you have the volunteers for a project. An example I’ve used before is related to Mensa Norway’s annual gatherings. They are mainly organized by our regional chapters, and even the smaller chapters can pull that off if they have a handful of people willing to put some time and effort into it.
I believe we can always do more regarding to gifted children/youth. And we have initiated some research-related activities; one which we hope to go public with very soon, and one which is in the earlier stages of planning.
As for the social aspect, we try to increase the membership numbers overall, but also put an effort into having tests done in locations where we want to help build a critical mass. Even though many activities and social interactions can be done online, it’s not a complete substitute for having members nearby. An online dinner or pub crawl just isn’t the same as meeting local members face to face.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Erik Haereid has been a member of Mensa since 2013, and is among the top scorers on several of the most credible IQ-tests in the unstandardized HRT-environment. He is listed in the World Genius Directory. He is also a member of several other high IQ Societies.
Erik, born in 1963, grew up in Oslo, Norway, in a middle class home at Grefsen nearby the forest, and started early running and cross country skiing. After finishing schools he studied mathematics, statistics and actuarial science at the University of Oslo. One of his first glimpses of math-skills appeared after he got a perfect score as the only student on a five hour math exam in high school.
He did his military duty in His Majesty The King’s Guard (Drilltroppen)).
Impatient as he is, he couldn’t sit still and only studying, so among many things he worked as a freelance journalist in a small news agency. In that period, he did some environmental volunteerism with Norges Naturvernforbund (Norwegian Society for the Conservation of Nature), where he was an activist, freelance journalist and arranged ‘Sykkeldagen i Oslo’ twice (1989 and 1990) as well as environmental issues lectures. He also wrote some crime short stories in A-Magasinet (Aftenposten (one of the main newspapers in Norway), the same paper where he earned his runner up (second place) in a nationwide writing contest in 1985. He also wrote several articles in different newspapers, magazines and so on in the 1980s and early 1990s.
He earned an M.Sc. degree in Statistics and Actuarial Sciences in 1991, and worked as an actuary novice/actuary from 1987 to 1995 in several Norwegian Insurance companies. He was the Academic Director (1998-2000) of insurance at the BI Norwegian Business School (1998-2000), Manager (1997-1998) of business insurance, life insurance, and pensions and formerly Actuary (1996-1997) at Nordea in Oslo Area, Norway, a self-employed Actuary Consultant (1996-1997), an Insurance Broker (1995-1996) at Assurance Centeret, Actuary (1991-1995) at Alfa Livsforsikring, novice Actuary (1987-1990) at UNI Forsikring.
In 1989 he worked in a project in Dallas with a Texas computer company for a month incorporating a Norwegian pension product into a data system. Erik is specialized in life insurance and pensions, both private and business insurances. From 1991 to 1995 he was a main part of developing new life insurance saving products adapted to bank business (Sparebanken NOR), and he developed the mathematics behind the premiums and premium reserves.
He has industry experience in accounting, insurance, and insurance as a broker. He writes in his IQ-blog the online newspaper Nettavisen. He has personal interests among other things in history, philosophy and social psychology.
In 1995, he moved to Aalborg in Denmark because of a Danish girl he met. He worked as an insurance broker for one year, and took advantage of this experience later when he developed his own consultant company.
In Aalborg, he taught himself some programming (Visual Basic), and developed an insurance calculation software program which he sold to a Norwegian Insurance Company. After moving to Oslo with his girlfriend, he was hired as consultant by the same company to a project that lasted one year.
After this, he became the Manager of business insurance in the insurance company Norske Liv. At that time he had developed and nurtured his idea of establishing an actuarial consulting company, and he did this after some years on a full-time basis with his actuarial colleague. In the beginning, the company was small. He had to gain money, and worked for almost two years as an Academic Director of insurance at the BI Norwegian Business School.
Then the consultant company started to grow, and he quitted BI and used his full time in NIA (Nordic Insurance Administration). This was in 1998/99, and he has been there since.
NIA provides actuarial consulting services within the pension and life insurance area, especially towards the business market. They was one of the leading actuarial consulting companies in Norway through many years when Defined Benefit Pension Plans were on its peak and companies needed evaluations and calculations concerning their pension schemes and accountings. With the less complex, and cheaper, Defined Contribution Pension Plans entering Norway the last 10-15 years, the need of actuaries is less concerning business pension schemes.
Erik’s book from 2011, Benektelse og Verdighet, contains some thoughts about our superficial, often discriminating societies, where the virtue seems to be egocentrism without thoughts about the whole. Empathy is lacking, and existential division into “us” and “them” is a mental challenge with major consequences. One of the obstacles is when people with power – mind, scientific, money, political, popularity – defend this kind of mind as “necessary” and “survival of the fittest” without understanding that such thoughts make the democracies much more volatile and threatened. When people do not understand the genesis of extreme violence like school killings, suicide or sociopathy, asking “how can this happen?” repeatedly, one can wonder how smart man really is. The responsibility is not limited to let’s say the parents. The responsibility is everyone’s. The day we can survive, mentally, being honest about our lives and existence, we will take huge leaps into the future of mankind.
[2] Eivind Olsen is the current chair of Mensa Norway. He has scored “135 or higher” (SD15) on the test used by Mensa Norway. He has also previously been tested with WISC-R and Raven’s. He recently took the MOCA test and aced it. When he’s not busy herding cats, he works in IT. He sometimes spends time with family and friends.
Eivind Olsen is a member of Mensa Norway since 2014, having filled various roles since then (chair of Mensa Bergen regional group, national test coordinator, deputy board member, and now chair).
He was born in Bergen, Norway, in 1976, but has lived in a few other places in Norway, including military service in the far north of the country.
Since he got bored at school and didn’t have any real idea what he wanted to do, he took vocational school where he studied electronics repair. He has worked in a different field ever since (IT operations).
He is currently residing in Bergen, Norway, with his significant other, 2+2 offspring, 2 cats and a turtle.
[3] Tor Arne Jørgensen is a member of 50+ high IQ societies, including World Genius Directory, NOUS High IQ Society, 6N High IQ Society just to name a few. He has several IQ scores above 160+ sd15 among high range tests like Gift/Gene Verbal, Gift/Gene Numerical of Iakovos Koukas and Lexiq of Soulios.
Tor Arne was also in 2019, nominated for the World Genius Directory 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe. He is the only Norwegian to ever have achieved this honor. He has also been a contributor to the Genius Journal Logicon, in addition to being the creater of toriqtests.com, where he is the designer of now eleven HR-tests of both verbal/numerical varient.
His further interests are related to intelligence, creativity, education developing regarding gifted students. Tor Arne has an bachelor`s degree in history and a degree in Practical education, he works as a teacher within the following subjects: History, Religion, and Social Studies.
[4] Individual Publication Date: December 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-2; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (2) [Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 15). Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-2>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (2) [Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.E, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
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Abstract
Dr. Herb Silverman is the Founder of the Secular Coalition for America, the Founder of the Secular Humanists of the Lowcountry, and the Founder of the Atheist/Humanist Alliance student group at the College of Charleston. He authored Complex variables (1975), Candidate Without a Prayer: An Autobiography of a Jewish Atheist in the Bible Belt (2012) and An Atheist Stranger in a Strange Religious Land: Selected Writings from the Bible Belt (2017). He co-authored The Fundamentals of Extremism: The Christian Right in America (2003) with Kimberley Blaker and Edward S. Buckner, Complex Variables with Applications (2007) with Saminathan Ponnusamy, and Short Reflections on Secularism (2019), Short Reflections on American Secularism’s History and Philosophy (2020), and Short Reflections on Age and Youth (2020). He discusses: Humanist Manifesto III; a “progressive philosophy of life”; negating consideration of the supernatural; the core principles of Humanism; “consensus of what we do believe” as part of the orientation of the document; a “critical intelligence”; “nature as self-existing”; limiting human ethics to human experience; and our life is “ours and ours alone.”
Keywords: Herb Silverman, Free of Charge, freethought, Humanism, Humanist Manifesto III.
Free of Charge 5 – “Humanist Manifesto III,” Humanism, Humaneness, and Meaning
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Humanist Manifesto III (2003) provided a succinct manifestation of modern Humanism. In turn, this both represents a more well-understood philosophical stance and a more concise statement as to the core of the concept “Humanism.” In this interview, I want to cover some of the modern conceptualizations of modern Humanism, as an evolution from 1933 to 2003. What was the inspiration for this updated document?
Dr. Herb Silverman[1],[2]: The updated third document was expected, as was the updated second document, without knowing in advance what dates they would come. The first Manifesto was written in 1933, the second in 1973, and the third in 2003. Similarly, the founders who wrote the US Constitution understood that their document was not perfect and allowed for future amendments. As we learn more about the world and best practices for humans, we update manifestos. After all, these manifestos are written on paper by humans, not written on stone tablets by an alleged deity. There undoubtedly will be a fourth manifesto, but I can’t say when.
Jacobsen: What does “without supernaturalism” mean in the context of a “progressive philosophy of life”?
Silverman: “Without supernaturalism” means no belief in any gods. It also includes no belief in reincarnation or magic crystals, not fearing black cats crossing your path or dread of Friday the 13th or the number 666. A rabbit’s foot or knocking on wood does not bring good luck. In other words, no superstitious beliefs of any kind. So we need a philosophy of life without superstition. One can have such a philosophy without being a progressive, but the humanist philosophy incorporates progressivism. It is based on the idea of progress, incorporating advances in science and technology, and advocating for social reforms and social organizations, all vital to improve the human condition.
Jacobsen: How does negating consideration of the supernatural change thinking about “our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity”?
Silverman: Most people want to lead ethical lives, but folks disagree about how best to do it. Some rely on so-called “holy” books written during the Bronze Age by scientifically ignorant men. Their ideas of ethics might include discriminating against gays, beating disobedient children, not allowing women to have responsible positions, punishing blasphemers and heretics, and advocating for holy wars to capture land promised by “God.” Being free of the supernatural, we can use available evidence to help decide what actions might be for the greater good of humanity.
Jacobsen: Why are the core principles of Humanism reason, compassion, and experience? Why is non-dogmatism, as in “values and ideals… subject to change as our knowledge and understandings advance,” a key distinction from most religious stances?
Silverman: As with most people, humanists appreciate the ability to reason. Part of what we want to do with our reason is learn how to help make the world a better place. This entails empathizing with others and showing compassion toward those less fortunate than ourselves. We learn from our mistakes and, hopefully, improve on how best to act. When tied to a never changing, dogmatic, religious book, principles become more difficult to change or improve.
Jacobsen: It stipulates “consensus of what we do believe” as part of the orientation of the document. How does this universality differ from the other ethics devoted to the transcendent? How does this universality still permit individual deviance of expression?
Silverman: Humanists are not all required to believe the same thing, which explains individual deviance of expression. However, there does seems to be a consensus about certain things that most humanists agree on. They include these beliefs: Knowledge of the world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis; humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change; ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience; working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness.
“Transcendent” usually refers to religion, where a transcendent god has powers independent of the material universe and outside of nature. Some people feel they have experienced transcendence by overcoming the limitations of physical existence through things like prayer, meditation, psychedelics, and paranormal visions. Such transcendent experiences, which can’t be measured, do bring some comfort to many people.
Jacobsen: Why is science “the best method for determining this knowledge as well as for solving problems and developing beneficial technologies”? What is a “critical intelligence” in this sense? How does freedom of thought work better, or more freely rather, in this humanistic framework?
Silverman: Science is empirical, meaning based on observations of nature, and it is potentially falsifiable by new observations of nature. In other words, new evidence can lead us to revise scientific theories. We know how to distinguish good scientific ideas from bad ones. Science relies on experimentation, testing, and skepticism. It thrives on disagreement and on a willingness to question assumptions critically, while we search for evidence until a consensus is reached. That’s why scientific truths are the same in Pakistan, the United States, Israel, or India, though their citizens may have very different religious beliefs. And scientists will change their views when the evidence warrants. To me, critical intelligence means we should carefully and critically examine our reasoning and our conclusions to eliminate errors. We should be free to pose any questions, regardless of how counter they are to what others might think, and then try to provide answers based on evidence.
Jacobsen: Why do humanists posit “nature as self-existing” rather than existing contingent on some transcendent object or metaphysical being?
Silverman: There is absolutely no evidence for a transcendent object or metaphysical being, and we have a pretty good understanding of nature through Darwin’s theory of evolution. We know how nature can exist without the need of a transcendent object or metaphysical being
Jacobsen: How does limiting human ethics to human experience help simplify and clarify a humane ethic in Humanism? Why are “peace, justice, and opportunity for all,” more attainable by this methodology, of ethics, than their transcendentalist counterparts? Does this include an opportunity for all to speak their mind or write down their thoughts?
Silverman: Basing human ethics on what we know from experience, rather than on what we don’t know, certainly makes more sense. Applying certain transcendent or religious precepts to everyone is too limiting, since we have no objective way to test if we have the one “true” religion. We learn through human experience and the efforts of thoughtful people throughout history how to work toward the ideals we hope to achieve. We also know that some of our values might change as our knowledge and understandings advance.
Jacobsen: Ultimately, why does this mean our life is “ours and ours alone,” our mind’s ability for freethought of thought?
Silverman: No one else, certainly no transcendent being, is responsible for our life. We must take personal responsibility for how we live, not give credit to an imagined deity for our good fortune or blame satanic forces when we behave poorly. We are free to think about whatever comes into our mind, but we are not necessarily free to act out all our thoughts. We can choose our actions as long as they don’t infringe on the freedoms of others. As the saying goes, your freedom to swing your fist ends at my nose.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Dr. Silverman.
Silverman: Thank you.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Secular Coalition for America; Founder, Secular Humanists of the Low Country; Founder, Atheist/Humanist Alliance, College of Charleston.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-5; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Free of Charge 5 – “Humanist Manifesto III,” Humanism, Humaneness, and Meaning [Online].December 2020; 24(E). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-5.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 8). Free of Charge 5 – “Humanist Manifesto III,” Humanism, Humaneness, and Meaning. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-5.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Free of Charge 5 – “Humanist Manifesto III,” Humanism, Humaneness, and Meaning. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.E, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-5>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Free of Charge 5 – “Humanist Manifesto III,” Humanism, Humaneness, and Meaning.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.E. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-5.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Free of Charge 5 – “Humanist Manifesto III,” Humanism, Humaneness, and Meaning.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.E (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-5.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Free of Charge 5 – “Humanist Manifesto III,” Humanism, Humaneness, and Meaning’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.E. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-5>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Co Free of Charge 5 – “Humanist Manifesto III,” Humanism, Humaneness, and Meaning’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.E., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-5.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Free of Charge 5 – “Humanist Manifesto III,” Humanism, Humaneness, and Meaning.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-5>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Free of Charge 5 – “Humanist Manifesto III,” Humanism, Humaneness, and Meaning[Internet]. (2020, December 24(E). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-5.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,482
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anthony Sepulveda scored 174 (S.D.15) on Cosmic and is a member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: a recent controversy in the high-IQ communities; some of the interesting presentations; Liam Millikan; why he left; his reputation; the “encounter”; the scores earned by him; his reputation now; a “traitor”; forgotten; his reasoning for doing this; other possible coinciding reasons for his disillusionment with the community; this isn’t a fake name and profile of another person; stealing of problems and passing off as their own; the modifications; the immediate community; the communities’ tests; compromised tests; Ivec, Predavec, Dorsey, or the fourth test creator; roughly even split; the fallout; “kicked” out of the community; the merits of his “work”; the lessons to be learned; the reasoning provided by Millikan, and the interpretations of the high-IQ communities; were they “not unjustified”; the possible “interesting places”; the potential for exploration; places to read more about this; the silence; and contact with Millikan.
Keywords: Anthony Sepulveda, intelligence, IQ, lessons, Liam Millikan, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Liam Millikan and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (7)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So, let’s talk about a recent controversy in the high-IQ communities, such as they disparately are, what is the overview of the Liam Millikan case, which was brought to personal attention by you?
Anthony Sepulveda (Brown)[1],[2]*: He created a social media page called High Range Tests Exposed, openly shared the answers to several tests he’d taken and how he arrived at those answers.
Jacobsen: What were some of the interesting presentations from the page?
Sepulveda (Brown): I was struck by which tests and problems he chose to focus on and why. He seemed intent on exposing only problems that were flawed or stolen.
Jacobsen: Who is Liam Millikan?
Sepulveda (Brown): A former member of the High IQ Community.
Jacobsen: Why did he leave?
Sepulveda (Brown): He was removed for unethical behavior.
Jacobsen: What was his reputation prior to this incident or series of incidences?
Sepulveda (Brown): I encountered him on social media, but I never saw anything noteworthy enough to remember anything about him. Aside from that, I can’t say much. From his posts and the scores he received on the tests he took, he’s clearly an intelligent, insightful individual that cares more about objective truth than subjective opinions.
Jacobsen: What was the “encounter”?
Sepulveda (Brown): He and I had several mutual contacts from within the community and I used to be interested in including such people in my virtual social circle. Sadly, we didn’t interact much at all and I didn’t remember I had a way to contact him until after his account was deleted.
Jacobsen: What were the scores earned by him?
Sepulveda (Brown): Many of the test answers he shared are believed to correlate to an IQ in the upper 170’s.
Jacobsen: What is his reputation now?
Sepulveda (Brown): By many, if not most community members he’s considered a traitor best forgotten.
Jacobsen: Why a “traitor”?
Sepulveda (Brown): He betrayed the trust of the community. The only difference between those who are and are not members is the ability to arrive at answers to difficult questions on your own. If people were to cheat their way in, then membership would completely pointless.
Jacobsen: Why “best forgotten”?
Sepulveda (Brown): Just a personal assumption based on how little I’ve heard of the incident since.
Jacobsen: What was his reasoning for doing this?
Sepulveda: (Brown): It seems that he’d become disillusioned of the community. In his posts, he’d share either the answers he’d submitted on a specific test and the resulting score from them or he’d focus on one specific problem and reveal its flaws. On several occasions, he provided evidence that certain problems had been stolen from earlier tests and slightly modified by other test designers.
Jacobsen: What are other possible coinciding reasons for his disillusionment with the community?
Sepulveda (Brown): I imagine he went through a similar process that I went through when I first joined Mensa. Initially, I was very excited to meet verified peers that I could have interesting conversations with. When I arrived to the hall hosting our next monthly meeting, I was disappointed to find that I was the youngest person there by roughly 20 years and the conversations were mostly limited to people arguing and quoting famous intellectuals.
Jacobsen: How do we know this isn’t a fake name and profile of another person?
Sepulveda (Brown): If you’re interested in submitting answers to an HRT, you have to definitely prove your identity by providing photos of yourself, your passport and ID. It seems pretty unlikely that he’d forge such documents to join a High IQ Society, but I suppose it’s not impossible.
Sidenote – he did use an alias on the HRT’s Exposed page called Kana Kana.
Jacobsen: What does this stealing of problems and passing off as their own mean for test designers in the independent psychometrician community?
Sepulveda (Brown): I wish it was frowned upon more than it is, but with a certain amount of modification it’s almost impossible to be certain of any wrongdoing.
Jacobsen: How were these modified, generally speaking?
Sepulveda (Brown): The examples he provided were spatial problems stolen from Robert Lato. In these cases, one could simply alter any superfluous parts of the design to create something that looks unique.
Jacobsen: What was the immediate community reaction?
Sepulveda (Brown): I was initially notified of the issue by Jason Betts, who was frantically trying to get enough people to report the High Range Tests Exposed page and have it pulled from social media. Most went through with his request immediately. But I was curious and decided to join the page and got to look at his work for a few minutes before everything was deleted.
Jacobsen: What is the result on the communities’ tests that were compromised or the test constructors who had tests compromised?
Sepulveda (Brown): It doesn’t seem like anything has changed since then.
Jacobsen: What tests did he compromise?
Sepulveda (Brown): 12 tests total (sadly, I don’t remember all of them) designed by James Dorsey, Ivan Ivec, Mislav Predavec and, I believe, one other who I’m not familiar with.
Jacobsen: Any commentary from Ivec, Predavec, Dorsey, or the fourth?
Sepulveda (Brown): Only intense anger at Liam for compromising their work and at me for respecting his decision.
Jacobsen: Was it 3 per person or unequally split?
Sepulveda (Brown): It was nearly equal.
Jacobsen: What has been the fallout or reaction as the dust has settled?
Sepulveda (Brown): Not much, surprisingly. Now that the answers have been deleted, it seems that the test designers have elected to keep the tests as they were, Liam was kicked out of the community and life seems to be proceeding as usual. Which is why I mentioned it to you. I feel that his actions were taken too personal too soon and judgment passed too swiftly. The merits of his work would have been obvious to anyone that took an impartial look at it. Which can only lead to better tests if we had learned from it.
Jacobsen: How was he “kicked” out of the community?
Sepulveda (Brown): His name was removed from most listings and he is no longer allowed admission into any group within the community or allowed to take tests from most designers.
Jacobsen: What were the merits of his “work”?
Sepulveda (Brown): Despite the rude and unethical nature with which he acted, he never said anything that I didn’t completely agree with. The community finds itself in such poor condition because a few within it are unwilling to accept criticism or consider the possibility that they’re wrong. They’ve mislead it into a place of stagnation.
Jacobsen: What do you consider the lessons to be learned?
Sepulveda (Brown): We need to be more humble and accept the fact that we all make mistakes. We can be dead certain of something and still get it all wrong.
Jacobsen: What is your own opinion on this matter and the reasoning provided by Millikan, and the interpretations of the high-IQ communities?
Sepulveda (Brown): I personally believe that, while his actions were unethical, they were not unjustified. Simply put, if the tests are flawed, then the results from them are invalid and they hold no value. If the tests are invalid, then there’s no real harm in sharing the answers. It’s a shame that no one else took the time to judge his work for themselves because we might have lead to some very interesting places.
Jacobsen: Why were they “not unjustified”?
Sepulveda (Brown): Perhaps ‘unjustified’ isn’t as good a word as inexcusable. We all make mistakes and I am no exception.
Jacobsen: What were the possible “interesting places”?
Sepulveda (Brown): One major issue I have with HRT’s is that they aren’t peer reviewed. All too often they are designed, published and scored by the same person and the overall quality of the problems varies widely because of it. If we were to honestly question and objectively examine the tests we use for admission by a dedicated group of experienced individuals, I’d be very interested to see what makes it through.
Jacobsen: Would the potential for the exploration of the possible “interesting places” outweigh the risks?
Sepulveda (Brown): Definitely.
Jacobsen: Where can others read more about this?
Sepulveda (Brown): I don’t believe they can at the moment. The community’s been quiet on the subject since while I’ve been trying to get in contact with Liam myself. But he’s deleted his social media accounts and no one’s been willing to share his contact info with me.
Jacobsen: Why the silence of wind in outer space on the matter?
Sepulveda (Brown): I don’t know. We can only grow as a community by confronting these situations directly and fairly. Perhaps it’s just too painful a process for others to pursue.
Jacobsen: Why pursue contact with Millikan?
Sepulveda (Brown): I have several questions for him. And if he’s interested, I’d like to collaborate with him.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-7; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Liam Millikan and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (7) [Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-7.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 8). Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Liam Millikan and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (7). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-7.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Liam Millikan and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (7). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-7>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Liam Millikan and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (7).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-7.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Liam Millikan and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (7).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-7.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Liam Millikan and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (7)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-7>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Co Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Liam Millikan and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (7)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-7.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Liam Millikan and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (7).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-7>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Liam Millikan and Lessons: Member, World Genius Directory (7)[Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-7.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,252
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Bishoy Goubran, M.D. was awarded the Genius of the Year, 2018. He is a Psychiatry resident physician and an entrepreneur with a start-up project of AI-driven Monitors for mental wellness. Dr. Goubran is an active member of multiple high IQ societies. Dr. Goubran’s research emphasis is on Heart Rate Variability and Biofeedback technologies. He discusses: family background; Alexandria; Christ; the influence of mechanical engineering and electrical engineering on intellectual growth; the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent; academic history; introversion; the “social game” and “methods of networking”; the purpose of intelligence tests; “weaknesses”; common “major fuck ups” in intelligence; “intelligence”; a psychological construct measurable validly and reliably; different ways in which intelligence manifests itself; the “complex” “human brain” as “a labyrinth” of interweaving narratives”; the human brain, the mind; the common issues of patients; high intelligence; “high emotional regulation”; the “quest to find the formula for peace”; the range of the scores; the greatest geniuses; Sigmund Freud; Carl Jung; Nicola Tesla; Ahmed Alashwah; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some other ways in which to define cognitive inflexibility and cognitive flexibility; some work experiences and educational certifications; “concise personalized medicine”; the God concept or gods idea; and religion as a political instrument.
Keywords: Bishoy Goubran, cardiovascular medicine, Christianity, intelligence, IQ, psychiatry, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Bishoy Goubran, M.D. on Christianity, Intelligence Tests, Cognitive Flexibility, Personalized Medicine, Psychiatry, and Abstract Concepts: Psychiatry Resident Physician; Post-Doctoral Research Fellow, Behavioral & Cardiovascular Medicine (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What was family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Bishoy Goubran, M.D.[1],[2]*: I was born to a traditional Coptic family in Alexandria, Egypt, father was a mechanical engineer, mother, electrical. Through my adolescence, I was a curious introvert —captivated by psychology, philosophy, and the human mind. I remember delving with intense passion into studying various spiritual traditions, Carl Jung, Freud, stoic philosophy, Sufism, Buddhism, and Hinduism —at daytime, and at night play soccer in the narrow alleys of Cairo.
Jacobsen: What was life like in Alexandria?
Goubran: Alexandria is a beautiful city on the Mediterranean Sea. My family moved to Cairo during my childhood. I loved Alexandria though as I have always loved the sea. I am an Aquarius. I am always nostalgic to the waters.
Jacobsen: You mentioned Coptic Christian, any thoughts on Christ, not the concept but the person?
Goubran: It is difficult to distinguish and divorce the “concept” from “the person” for Christ. I would say the tale on one level represents enlightenment, the overcoming of the older brain by higher mental functions, our consciousness evolution.
Jacobsen: How important was the influence of mechanical engineering and electrical engineering on intellectual growth for you?
Goubran: I believe It helped shape the way I think by mirroring. I am methodical in my approach. Engineer-like-thinking is precise and optimizes for efficiency – two merits that I highly value. Utilization of calculation, facts and measurements is something that I and my team highly value, which comes later to be the essence of our projects even when it comes to subtle subjectivities like mood, affects.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Goubran: I remember disliking many aspects of school, despite, I did well academically. I was an introvert as a child, into my adolescence I started to understand the dynamics of the social game, developed methods of networking. Still learning.
Jacobsen: How “well academically”?
Goubran: My secondary education was in a British system in an Egyptian school, came out within the highest 5 scores in Egypt, ended up joining one of the most competitive medical schools in Egypt. Through Uni I did alright but found studying medicine boring and hectic. Academics thereafter was during my post-doctoral research fellowship, where I faced another side of academia. Research and generation of knowledge.
Jacobsen: Has introversion extended from childhood into adolescent and adult professional life in spite of ‘understanding the dynamics of the social game and networking’?
Goubran: I think so, but I feel it is no longer a trait, rather a predilection. A calibrated preference. I am more inclined to have time with myself to think and read.
Jacobsen: How are you “still learning” the “social game” and “methods of networking”?
Goubran: Through a further understanding of the reward center and the limbic system. To master any social construct, in my experience, I had to first master its correlation within myself. Meaning the internal resolution of conflicts and “knowing thyself” is key. In this example, the further I understand my limbic system the further I understand the macrocosm of that which is the society, operated and governed by the same mental principles and neurotransmitter-driven-dynamics.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Goubran: Just like any other standardized testing, it should be primarily to identify levels and weaknesses, measurement again. The problem with fluid intelligence is that it is very subtle, you could have a weakness in one skill set that is left unnoticed, but it would impact your performance in life overall.
Psychometric tests may help identify those deficiencies, acts somewhat as an “objective” (and I use that word loosely) method to track and observe the different elements that constitute your intelligence and where your major fuck ups are.
We got to also factor in that IQ doesn’t really measure much of practical intelligence (common sense). Anyways, Standardized IQ tests are reliable and valid. Since I am in the field of psychiatry, it helps me understand the different ways intelligence presents itself. The human brain is complex, a labyrinth of interweaving narratives, through understanding the many aspects of myself, I can understand my patients way better.
Jacobsen: What kinds of “weaknesses”?
Goubran: The brain is a predictive algorithm, constantly generating predictions using available data (extrapolation, seeing patterns) and in pathological terms, these predictions if accompanied by interpretation and a “story” can create anxiety. The brain also aims to disambiguate elements of reality, to dig deeper and know the unknowns, so it can make better predictions.
The presence of prediction errors constitutes weaknesses in the way we maneuver reality. Integrating those prediction errors is a part of “learning” and understanding the patterns.
Jacobsen: What are the common “major fuck ups” in intelligence?
Goubran: Cognitive biases and prediction errors.
Jacobsen: What makes “intelligence” a proper psychological construct?
Goubran: The prefrontal cortex.
Jacobsen: What makes a psychological construct measurable validly and reliably?
Goubran: Stats, validity is how well a test measures what it purports to measure, reliability is how replicable is the results of the test, basically its consistency.
Jacobsen: As a psychiatrist, what are the different ways in which intelligence manifests itself, “presents itself”?
Goubran: Intelligence presents as novelty; misguided intelligence can lead to problems. As in, misguided budgeting of the brain resources.
Jacobsen: Why characterize the “complex” “human brain” as “a labyrinth” of interweaving narratives”?
Goubran: The brain acts as a “sense-making” routine, making sense of internal and external environments. The brain analyzes the moment, using sensory perceptions, link it with past associations, trying to predict the best action path or best response, and deciding from what level of the organism should that response start.
Memories are stories, narratives “internal storytelling” is a phenomenon of the memory and associations, memories are shaped up, seasoned and confabulations added and re-presented to the cognition, the narrator is biased. Thoughts are other versions of stories. Context is narrative.
Jacobsen: With empirical, naturalistic, and operational, comprehension of the human central nervous system and the social environment in which the human organism remains embedded inextricably, what happens to supernaturalistic or metaphysical claims about the human brain, the mind, even the human psyche?
Goubran: Those claims persist. Depends on one’s ontological model and how they build up components of their symbolic reality.
Jacobsen: What are the common issues of patients coming to you – before the COVID-19 pandemic and after it?
Goubran: Mental illnesses are triggered and/or worsened by stressors, COVID obviously represented an added stressor to large numbers of people around the globe. It also has disrupted many of the coping mechanisms, such as Gym, socialization etc.
We saw a spike in depression, anxiety, and exacerbation of other mental illnesses. Partially due to disruption of the clinic routines, AA meetings, group therapies etc. We also saw that other factors hammered the resilience factors of parents, such as online schooling. It is complex because the causative factors are multiple. We don’t know much. We now use way more tele-psych than we used to which comes with its pros and cons. We don’t know how this huge mass trauma would affect the dynamics of psychiatry on the long run.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Goubran: I really do not know how to answer this question. I feel that when I started to introspect and metacognize that’s when I felt that form of self-efficacy. But I’ve always felt that there is a more refined, concentrated form of intelligence that is very difficult to measure. I maintain, that if intelligence does not include simplicity, wisdom, and high emotional regulation then it’s immensely lacking, I am still on a quest to find the formula for ultimate peace. Now every value is a spectrum of course so peace is many levels.
Jacobsen: What characterizes “high emotional regulation”?
Goubran: Knowing oneself. Expanding the Self-Concept.
Jacobsen: What sits behind the “quest to find the formula for peace”?
Goubran: Difficulty reconciling internal paradoxes whilst having the insight to see them. Partial Awakening is a curse, complete awakening is the death of the self, as in, using another neural network in the brain.
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Goubran: 150s – 160s.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Goubran: Freud, Carl Jung, Nicolas Tesla, Ahmed Alashwah.
Jacobsen: To dig deeper, what makes Sigmund Freud a great genius?
Goubran: His confidence and courage.
Jacobsen: What makes Carl Jung a great genius?
Goubran: His introspection.
Jacobsen: What makes Nicola Tesla a great genius?
Goubran: His individuality, creativity, selflessness.
Jacobsen: Who is Ahmed Alashwah, why do you consider him a genius?
Goubran: Firstly, I wanted to say that I added a living person deliberately to break in through the dogma that “great” geniuses are “historical” and assigned that “label” posthumously and must be “famous”. Ahmed is a novel thinker, a philosopher, and an entrepreneur. He lectures in Stanford University on Meditation and Technology. In my opinion, and many of those who know him, he is a living genius that I believe the world would benefit a lot from understanding his story and experience. He spent ten years in meditation and introspection and emerged with a wealth of knowledge about the human mind, psyche, and consciousness. I believe that the amount of years spent in deep radical introspection gave him unmatched insights into the machinations of the human mind.
He had a tremendous impact on my life. I am fortunate that we are now collaborators in many projects. He is the inspiration behind our projects of technology augmented meditation and the current AI project.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Goubran: I would like to make a distinction that in my view, a genius is not a “person”. It is not an intrinsic attribute. I believe it is a potential, a state, a skill. It is a skill that depends on training the neural correlate we employ to tackle an endeavor or problem solve. Known geniuses are the ones able, despite distractions, to sustain that state. They are ones driven by purpose, enthusiasm, and unrelenting passion.
Genius is achievable under certain circumstances of higher neural connectivity, hence inspiration. Therefore, I have moments of genius (creativity/flexibility) and have moments of cognitive inflexibility (my definition of Stupidity), it is whenever I take my truths too seriously I become inflexible and thus unable to exit the fabric of reality. When it comes to intelligence quotient, it is vastly genetic, but many of its aspects and skills are trainable.
Jacobsen: What are some other ways in which to define cognitive inflexibility and cognitive flexibility?
Goubran: Cognitive flexibility is the ability to jump between cognitive distances with malleability. While inflexibility broadly speaking is, the “rigidity” of thoughts. How many perspectives one can see of the same situation? Can I look into a problem and see the opportunity? Can I look into my autobiographical memories and see the narrative from another angle? Can I change how I feel about past events? Can I see memories as just one version of the truth? Can I let go of my convictions for the sake of a more nuanced and refined truth?
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Goubran: I am an MD, doing my residency training in Psychiatry, also a post-Doc Research Fellow in Behavioral and Cardiovascular medicine. My ambition, and purpose are to change how psychiatry operates, new forms of therapy and more merging with neuroscience is the way of the future in a form of concise personalized medicine.
Jacobsen: What is “concise personalized medicine”?
Goubran: I am working with a team on a personalized artificial intelligence-based algorithm with biosensors, an intelligent agent that would help navigate decisions for us, humans, decreasing errors, increasing productivity, and optimizing for efficiency.
The future of psychiatry is in real-time data acquisition and non-invasive diagnostics with interventions happening at a much earlier stage than what happens now. The diagnostic process factoring in much more than history and labs. I see huge potential for brain-machine interfaces. Our team is taking a lead on that and our starting project is building the bio-sensors personalized artificially intelligent-agent, towards optimizing mental, physical, emotional health, and human performance. Fewer errors, Better investments, better decisions, and thus a better life.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Goubran: That’s a huge topic, Mr. Jacobsen, would take us quite a while. For the purpose of this interview, I choose not to speculate over abstract concepts.
Jacobsen: In the presentation of “speculate over abstract concepts,” and as abstract can mean “not having a physical or concrete existence” and only “existing in thought,” and as concept(s) can mean “something conceived in the mind,” or simply a “thought” or a “notion,” this may imply the mere in-mindness of the gods or God without true actuality. To move past this, any thoughts on religion as a political instrument?
Goubran: It can be used as an effective political instrument, whether on a macro-social level or within an individual relationship with himself, the internal psychological politics, which have tons of conflicting parties.
Knowing those internal subpersonalities, listening to them, those inner parts of us that were never listened to, or given a chance to talk. The suppressed, the repressed. It’s in personal opinion healthy to have an internal democracy governed by a clear “constitution”, the constitution in that sense is one’s values clearly articulated.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory; Psychiatry Resident Physician.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Goubran-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Bishoy Goubran, M.D. on Christianity, Intelligence Tests, Cognitive Flexibility, Personalized Medicine, Psychiatry, and Abstract Concepts: Psychiatry Resident Physician; Post-Doctoral Research Fellow, Behavioral & Cardiovascular Medicine (1) [Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Goubran-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 8). Conversation with Bishoy Goubran, M.D. on Christianity, Intelligence Tests, Cognitive Flexibility, Personalized Medicine, Psychiatry, and Abstract Concepts: Psychiatry Resident Physician; Post-Doctoral Research Fellow, Behavioral & Cardiovascular Medicine (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Goubran-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Bishoy Goubran, M.D. on Christianity, Intelligence Tests, Cognitive Flexibility, Personalized Medicine, Psychiatry, and Abstract Concepts: Psychiatry Resident Physician; Post-Doctoral Research Fellow, Behavioral & Cardiovascular Medicine (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Goubran-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Bishoy Goubran, M.D. on Christianity, Intelligence Tests, Cognitive Flexibility, Personalized Medicine, Psychiatry, and Abstract Concepts: Psychiatry Resident Physician; Post-Doctoral Research Fellow, Behavioral & Cardiovascular Medicine (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Goubran-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Bishoy Goubran, M.D. on Christianity, Intelligence Tests, Cognitive Flexibility, Personalized Medicine, Psychiatry, and Abstract Concepts: Psychiatry Resident Physician; Post-Doctoral Research Fellow, Behavioral & Cardiovascular Medicine (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Goubran-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Bishoy Goubran, M.D. on Christianity, Intelligence Tests, Cognitive Flexibility, Personalized Medicine, Psychiatry, and Abstract Concepts: Psychiatry Resident Physician; Post-Doctoral Research Fellow, Behavioral & Cardiovascular Medicine (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Goubran-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Bishoy Goubran, M.D. on Christianity, Intelligence Tests, Cognitive Flexibility, Personalized Medicine, Psychiatry, and Abstract Concepts: Psychiatry Resident Physician; Post-Doctoral Research Fellow, Behavioral & Cardiovascular Medicine (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Goubran-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Bishoy Goubran, M.D. on Christianity, Intelligence Tests, Cognitive Flexibility, Personalized Medicine, Psychiatry, and Abstract Concepts: Psychiatry Resident Physician; Post-Doctoral Research Fellow, Behavioral & Cardiovascular Medicine (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Goubran-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Bishoy Goubran, M.D. on Christianity, Intelligence Tests, Cognitive Flexibility, Personalized Medicine, Psychiatry, and Abstract Concepts: Psychiatry Resident Physician; Post-Doctoral Research Fellow, Behavioral & Cardiovascular Medicine (1)[Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Goubran-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 337
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Marios Sophia Prodromou is a member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: Cypriot identity; the Turks; the Greeks; intercommunal violence; the origin of Cypriot self-consciousness; Greek-Cypriots are Christian; British-Cypriots; district differences; and the core philosophy.
Keywords: Cypriot, Cyprus, Marios Prodromou, World Genius Directory.
Brief Remarks on Cypriot Identity with Marios Prodromou: Member, World Genius Directory (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What is Cypriot identity?
Marios Prodromou[1],[2]*: There are Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots. Duality exists among Cypriot identity.
Jacobsen: How is Cypriot identity seen to the Turks?
Prodromou: They call themselves Turkish-Cypriots and have the same rights as Greek-Cypriots.
Jacobsen: How is Cypriot identity seen to the Greeks?
Prodromou: Same as above.
Jacobsen: How has intercommunal violence played out in terms of self-identity of Cypriots?
Prodromou: The past has left a lot of scars on both communities.
Jacobsen: What is the origin of Cypriot self-consciousness outside of, if not parallel with, the nation-state?
Prodromou: If you are born in a Greek family you receive an ID card as a Greek-Cypriot. If you are born in a Turkish family your ID card would say Turkish-Cypriot. Both categories have the same rights and you can get a Cyprus Passport and travel freely in the EU
Jacobsen: How is Christian identity tied to Cypriot identity?
Prodromou: Nearly all Greek-Cypriots are Christian
Jacobsen: How does this play out in practical terms for the well-off and the poor alike with Cypriot heritage?
Prodromou: The church wins.
Jacobsen: Are there many remnants of British identity leftover in Cypriot identity?
Prodromou: We have a third class of British-Cypriots. Most of them get a Cyprus ID card but keep their British Passport. I fall into this category.
Jacobsen: For Famagusta, Kyrenia, Lamaca, Limassol, NIcosia, and Paphos, are there district differences in ways in which the Cypriot self-identity expresses itself in social and cultural life? If so, how? If not, why not?
Prodromou: No. Cyprus is a population of less than a million. 90 mins drive from one side of the island to another. People mix with one another every day.
Jacobsen: What is the core philosophy inherent in the identity of a Cypriot?
Prodromou: The love for Cyprus. An island with a lot of history. The island of love and of Aphrodite and Dionysos.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Marios.
Prodromou: Thank you too, Scott, it’s been a real pleasure.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-2; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Brief Remarks on Cypriot Identity with Marios Prodromou: Member, World Genius Directory (2) [Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 8). Brief Remarks on Cypriot Identity with Marios Prodromou: Member, World Genius Directory (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Brief Remarks on Cypriot Identity with Marios Prodromou: Member, World Genius Directory (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Brief Remarks on Cypriot Identity with Marios Prodromou: Member, World Genius Directory (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Brief Remarks on Cypriot Identity with Marios Prodromou: Member, World Genius Directory (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Brief Remarks on Cypriot Identity with Marios Prodromou: Member, World Genius Directory (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Co Brief Remarks on Cypriot Identity with Marios Prodromou: Member, World Genius Directory (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Brief Remarks on Cypriot Identity with Marios Prodromou: Member, World Genius Directory (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-2>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Brief Remarks on Cypriot Identity with Marios Prodromou: Member, World Genius Directory (2)[Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: December 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,570
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Born on February 27th, 1985 in Ciego de Ávila, Cuba, Aníbal Sánchez Numa graduated as Computer Engineer in 2012 and as Master in Computer Science in 2014. Having a PhD in Computational Mechanics since 2018, he belongs to the World Genius Directory and Catholiq High IQ Society. He discusses: books; the Catholicism within the family; the reasoning behind the position of atheism for both parents; Protestant Christianity; the path of Protestant Christianity; the break from it; a “very lonely” person; the “existential crisis”; the first test; tests; mental abilities; measured in the tests; indications of being “considered very intelligent” while in school and at home; “gifted”; “rediscovery”; the components of genius; Newton; Leonardo Da Vinci; “exorbitant creativity”; the media coverage; maths; software development; introversion more common among geniuses; Social Democracy; the three stages of philosophical stances, as a Protestant Christian, as an atheist, and as an agnostic; the contradictory nature of the Bible; the bet “that there is no God beyond our imagination”; “in my own flesh, phenomena for which I have no explanation”; some of the readings on some of the failures in science; “fewer and fewer children and young people who… interested in science”; “anti-science movements”; the recent scores between 145 and 150 S.D. 15 (inclusive); a pacifist; and another meaning of “humanism.”
Keywords: agnosticism, Aníbal Sánchez Numa, atheism, Catholicism, genius, intelligence, National Mathematical Olympics, Protestantism, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Roman Catholicism, Protestant Christianity, Atheism, Agnosticism, Existential Crisis, National Mathematical Olympics, and Harmony Between People: Member, World Genius Directory (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What are some of the books that come to mind from early childhood and adolescence with an impact on intellectual views?
Aníbal Sánchez Numa: Two of the ones that I remember most fondly are “How man became a giant” and “The magic of numbers.”
Jacobsen: What seems to explain some of the Catholicism within the family?
Numa: I really do not know. I have no information on how that part of my family became Catholic.
Jacobsen: What appears to explain the reasoning behind the position of atheism for both parents?
Numa: The main reason I think is that they both had a Marxist background. My father studied Social Sciences in the Soviet Union and to this day he remains an atheist. Our country is constitutionally Marxist-Leninist.
Jacobsen: What was the form of practicing Protestant Christianity for your mother?
Numa: He belonged to a new current called “Apostolics.” There was a pastor who moved here near the house and started gathering people for his church, and my mother joined and soon I did too. My mother, even though she no longer goes to church, still has some faith.
Jacobsen : What was life like as someone “on that path for some time,” or on the path of Protestant Christianity?
Numa: We did a lot of activities together. In general I remember it as quite a happy time, especially at the beginning. There was a group of young people, we organized choirs and outings, we socialized a lot, it was a very unknown world for me and it was interesting for me as well.
Jacobsen: What explains the break from it?
Numa: Some things happened that I didn’t like. In general, Christians talk a lot about what Jesus said what we should do, but almost none of them do, and on the other hand, religion became for me a force that tied me too much to it, neglecting other interests. I was too caught up in it, and it was hard for me to think of other things, and I felt like I had to break free.
Jacobsen: As a “very lonely” person in school, what was different about the personality and the interests?
Numa: You could say that it was too serious for my age, although of course I saw myself as the right thing to do. Teasing is common among children and adolescents, sometimes as a game, and sometimes to hurt, which I hated. I always liked being treated with respect, and taking care not to offend anyone. It is something that I maintain to this day. On the other hand, I was very interested in learning about everything, reading a lot, understanding the world. I was interested in mythology, mathematics, languages, and I was little interested in the most everyday matters. Later in life I realized that everyday life is also important, but in those years I considered it very uninteresting.
Jacobsen: What was the “existential crisis”?
Numa: A psychological effect that many gifted people suffer is the feeling that their value as a person lies only in their intellectual capacity. The fact that they are always telling you, especially in the school and academic environment, creates that feeling. On the other hand, gifted people are often very perfectionists, so they push themselves in almost everything they do. It was my case too, that’s why when I felt stupid, I wasn’t sure what to think, and of course I didn’t know these elements of psychology either, and the feeling of being inadequate and having low self-esteem was intense.
Jacobsen: How did this lead into the first test and the “community of test hobbyists online”?
Numa: Feeling that way I wanted to get an impression of whether I was as stupid as I thought, that’s why I was surprised at the result. From there I learned what Mensa was, and that an IQ above 130 was considered gifted. At the beginning I did not start doing other tests, but began to exchange with other people identified with that condition, but the shape of the two or three tests that I had done to evaluate a person’s intelligence had caught my attention. It was a kind of problem I had never encountered before, and it was very interesting to me. Around 2016 I met the group IQExams (at first it was called IQNavi.net) and it was there that I met those members who like to do these tests.
Jacobsen: What types of tests most interest you?
Numa: The ones I like the most are the numerical ones, and they are the ones where I get the best results. Since I always liked Mathematics, it is natural that it is like that. In general, I am very attracted to numbers, and the relationships that occur between them, so numerical tests attract me beyond the score obtained.
Jacobsen: What mental abilities seem the strongest given by the tests for you, e.g., linguistic, spatial, or mathematical?
Numa:
Jacobsen: What seems to be measured in the tests when those that “score very high in these tests… seem really very sharp to me”?
Numa: Working memory, ability to detect patterns and apply them to another sequence (eduction), attention span as well. But I think the common feature is detecting patterns, which is the core of official tests such as Raven’s. In numerical tests, arithmetic calculations are also required, I have known, for example, people who perform complicated mental calculations very quickly.
Jacobsen: What were indications of being “considered very intelligent” while in school and at home?
Numa: At home I suppose it was curiosity and interest in reading at an early age. In school I was very advanced, I used to know almost all the content of the subjects as soon as the course began. On the other hand, I was frequently the winner in competitions for school-level subjects, and in the case of Mathematics at higher levels as well. I remember in first grade representing my school in the reading contest, and in fifth grade being the winner in the national math contest, competing for sixth grade.
Jacobsen: Why didn’t you feel “gifted” as in “didn’t really feel that way”?
Numa: On the one hand, being overly self-demanding made everything I did or achieved little or deficient for me, and on the other, the word gifted represented something more extraordinary to me than I was. Also, while he was advantageous in academic matters, I was very clumsy in matters of life in general.
Jacobsen: What were the “shared many feelings and interests” with the people in this process of “rediscovery” in young adulthood?
Numa: In the gifted forum in Spanish I saw posts about some characteristics of gifted people, with which I agreed. In addition, I met other people with that unusual curiosity, perfectionism, sense of justice, and other characteristics that I had and that I had never known why I was different from the rest, so they made me feel strange. It was a rediscovery in the sense of understanding why I was like that, and above all knowing that I was not alone, that despite the fact that the gifted constitute 2.2% of the population there were others, many others, it was like finally knowing who I was and stop feeling weird.
Jacobsen: What seem like the components of genius, the parts?
Numa: It is clear that one component is very high intelligence, another that I consider core is creativity. To become someone recognized as a genius, I believe that you must also have great passion and perseverance in what you research or want to create, to be able to invest several years in your search. The curiosity, present in the gifted, in the case of the genius should be even greater, leading the greatest geniuses in history to want to answer very fundamental and comprehensive questions, such as how the Universe works, for example.
Jacobsen: What makes Newton such a great genius in the sciences?
Numa: I think it is given by the transcendental nature of what he discovered or created. On the one hand, the law of gravity basically and the laws of movement explain how absolutely everything works, at least on a macro scale, it explains to a large extent how the Universe works, so it is very comprehensive. In the case of Calculus, its greatest invention, the importance lies in the fact that a large part of the science that developed from there uses it, let’s say many laws of Physics are based on Calculus, in Chemistry it happens Likewise, in almost all engineering, Calculus is present, and also in economics.
Jacobsen: What makes Leonardo Da Vinci the “greatest polymath”?
Numa: As far as I know, Leonardo Da Vinci is the person who has contributed the most in different fields, doing so in both art and science. Painting, poetry, botany, architecture, sculpture, engineering, are just some of the branches in which he worked, and he was ahead of his time in many of his inventions, such as the helicopter or the submarine.
Jacobsen: Can “exorbitant creativity” border the mental states characteristic of psychosis?
Numa: There is some association between genius and psychosis. From what I have been able to investigate, a cause could be low latent inhibition, which on the one hand is present in people with psychosis (as in schizophrenia), and on the other it can result in greater creativity, as the person perceives greater details in the information it processes.
Jacobsen: What was the media coverage of medallist status within the National Mathematical Olympics?
Numa: That I remember none.
Jacobsen: What kind of maths did you teach?
Numa: I mainly taught Differential and Integral Calculus, although I also taught Linear Algebra.
Jacobsen: What kinds of software development are characteristic of the software for you?
Numa: I develop mainly web and mobile applications.
Jacobsen: Is introversion more common among geniuses, or is extroversion more likely?
Numa: I’d say introversion is more likely. People with a very high intelligence tend to have their minds very busy with their own thoughts and turn everything around constantly, this is sometimes called “rumination”. There are gifted people who even want to stop thinking so much, because they can feel exhausted from doing so much, and they find it uncontrollable.
Jacobsen: How would Social Democracy look in practice, even with a living example in one country?
Numa: According to what I have read, social democracy is like a capitalist economy with social justice: reducing poverty, health care, education, reducing inequality, childcare. It is associated with highly developed countries such as: Finland, Norway, Germany or Denmark.
Jacobsen: What differentiations the three stages of philosophical stances, as a Protestant Christian, as an atheist, and as an agnostic?
Numa: As an atheist I rejected all forms of religion, I had no belief whatsoever. As a Christian I think I had a lot of faith, but always trying to find the logic, trying not to be a blind faith. As an agnostic, I have a more open vision, in the sense that I do not have that faith, but I believe that everything can be possible, besides that I understand that one thing is a possible God or form of energy and another is the God of the Bible. I would say that I do not believe at all in a God like the one in the Bible, but I do believe other visions of God are more possible, such as pantheism.
Jacobsen: What exemplifies the contradictory nature of the Bible?
Numa: An example that I always remember is that I had heard that the God of the Hebrews was a God of love, but the Bible is plagued with wars and invasions, in which it is literally described that the chosen people invaded and killed “women, old men and children ”. Especially the Old Testament has many stories like that.
Jacobsen: Why make the bet “that there is no God beyond our imagination”?
Numa: There are days when I believe in God more and others when I don’t. As I defend science, I tend to think that to believe in something you have to have solid evidence. I am agnostic because I believe that we do not have the ability to know for sure, but I would say that I believe that there is a God up to 30% -40% and 60% -70% that there is not, so my bet by probabilities is that there isn’t.
Jacobsen: What have been the “in my own flesh, phenomena for which I have no explanation”?
Numa: I experienced prayer-induced altered states of consciousness, including what may have been a form of healing through prayer.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the readings on some of the failures in science?
Numa: One of the flaws of science is that it is sometimes not objective due to moral or philosophical problems. In that sense, it is sometimes limited in finding the truth. Let’s say that there was (I am not saying that there is) a difference in the average intellectual capacity between people of different races, the moral problem that racism represents prevents approaching this issue with objectivity, because many people even if there was scientific evidence to support this idea they would refuse to accept it. Something similar happens with the differences between men and women.
Jacobsen: Why are “fewer and fewer children and young people who… interested in science”?
Numa: I’m not sure why this phenomenon occurs. I do not have information to give an opinion based, but I suppose that the cause would be given by failures in the educational system.
Jacobsen: Why do “anti-science movements” such as anti-vaxxers “and flat-earthers scare” you?
Numa: I think they set a precedent of distrust in science. In the case of vaccines, which have saved so many lives, a movement that opposes them seems very dangerous to humanity. In general, they are part of a generalized tendency to distrust official information, and formulate conspiracy theories, which, although they may have some truth, have not been proven for the most part. Many of the people who formulate these theories do not really know how scientific advances have driven humanity throughout history.
Jacobsen: Are you satisfied with the recent scores between 145 and 150 S.D. 15 (inclusive)?
Numa: I think so. I think around 145 is a good estimate for me. I still think that I can obtain higher scores in tests with some validity, but it is normal that many obtain results above or below their real value.
Jacobsen: Why be a pacifist outside of a love of harmony between people?
Numa: I can’t say exactly why. Perhaps it is because of my calm and peaceful character. I value life very much and anything that involves destruction or harm to another human being seems horrible to me. I have always greatly admired the great scientists who contributed to solving humanity’s problems, especially health problems, because this seems to me to be the greatest form of well-being.
Jacobsen: What might be another meaning of “humanism” to you?
Numa: “Humanism” in my opinion could mean more selfishness or domination. Sure, we give meaning to words and of course we define ourselves as compassionate and benevolent. We would have to see what an advanced extraterrestrial civilization would think to observe us, and see the number of wars we have between us and how we subdue the other life forms on the planet.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: December 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-2; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Roman Catholicism, Protestant Christianity, Atheism, Agnosticism, Existential Crisis, National Mathematical Olympics, and Harmony Between People: Member, World Genius Directory (2) [Online].December 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, December 1). Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Roman Catholicism, Protestant Christianity, Atheism, Agnosticism, Existential Crisis, National Mathematical Olympics, and Harmony Between People: Member, World Genius Directory (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Roman Catholicism, Protestant Christianity, Atheism, Agnosticism, Existential Crisis, National Mathematical Olympics, and Harmony Between People: Member, World Genius Directory (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, December. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Roman Catholicism, Protestant Christianity, Atheism, Agnosticism, Existential Crisis, National Mathematical Olympics, and Harmony Between People: Member, World Genius Directory (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Roman Catholicism, Protestant Christianity, Atheism, Agnosticism, Existential Crisis, National Mathematical Olympics, and Harmony Between People: Member, World Genius Directory (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (December 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Roman Catholicism, Protestant Christianity, Atheism, Agnosticism, Existential Crisis, National Mathematical Olympics, and Harmony Between People: Member, World Genius Directory (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Co Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Roman Catholicism, Protestant Christianity, Atheism, Agnosticism, Existential Crisis, National Mathematical Olympics, and Harmony Between People: Member, World Genius Directory (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Roman Catholicism, Protestant Christianity, Atheism, Agnosticism, Existential Crisis, National Mathematical Olympics, and Harmony Between People: Member, World Genius Directory (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020): December. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-2>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Roman Catholicism, Protestant Christianity, Atheism, Agnosticism, Existential Crisis, National Mathematical Olympics, and Harmony Between People: Member, World Genius Directory (2)[Internet]. (2020, December 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: November 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,185
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Born on February 27th, 1985 in Ciego de Ávila, Cuba, Aníbal Sánchez Numa graduated as Computer Engineer in 2012 and as Master in Computer Science in 2014. Having a PhD in Computational Mechanics since 2018, he belongs to the World Genius Directory and Catholiq High IQ Society. He discusses: family stories; an extended self; family background; the experience with peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence discovered; the geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences and educational certifications; the idea of the gifted and geniuses; some social and political views; the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion; science; some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: Aníbal Sánchez Numa, background, genius, intelligence, IQ, pacifism, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Background, Ideas, Scores, and Pacifism: Member, World Genius Directory (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Aníbal Sánchez Numa: My father had a certain precociousness, and in elementary school he skipped the fourth grade, they decided to pass it directly from the third to the fifth. He always told me that his father, despite being a person without formal studies, was an avid reader and he inherited that passion for books and stories, which eventually made him a writer.
Jacobsen: Have these stores helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Numa: Certainly, my passion for knowledge also began from a very young age thanks to my father and his remarkable library in our home, where since I can remember there were books of both fiction and any branch of scientific knowledge, to which I frequently went while still very boy. I asked to be taught to read at the age of three, and was pleased.
Jacobsen: What was family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Numa: Both my mother and my father come from small towns in our province. My mother has a degree in Mathematics Education and my father in Social Sciences. Both are PhD Pedagogical Sciences since some years ago.
There is some presence of Catholicism on my father’s side, but both were always atheists, although some years ago my mother began to practice Protestant Christianity and I myself was also on that path for some time.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Numa: I was very lonely and “weird” in school period. My interests and personality differed a lot from my fellow students, I always preferred to talk to adults over kids my age. I did not understand relationships and social norms, and also I was not interested in following them. I was very bored in class. Fortunately, my teachers were quite understanding.
However, in eighth grade I met who is still one of my great friends and in high school I already began to be more sociable.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Numa: I did the first one 8 years ago because I had an existential crisis. I was very surprised back then to get such a high result. I later met a community of test hobbyists online and signed up for testing as a form of healthy competition for our cognitive skills. Nowadays I do tests from time to time as a hobby and also to get an impression of how my cognition is working at the moment. I find IQ tests very interesting mental challenges, and I love the sense of discovery I get when I find the solution to a difficult subject.
Regardless of the fact that an IQ test to be completely reliable must pass an extensive validation procedure, those created by amateurs or by psychologists without being correctly regulated have a high correlation with the official ones, and the truth is that the people I have met who they score very high in these tests they seem really very sharp to me.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Numa: From a very young age at school and at home I was considered very intelligent. Several people called me “genius” or “gifted”. However, I was never interested in IQ tests, nor did I have any idea what they looked like. Being almost 30 years old I was curious to have an objective impression of my cognitive abilities and I did one on the Internet (the one from Mensa Denmark), and then another. Even though being called gifted had been pretty common for me, I didn’t really feel that way, especially since I was quite slow at many tasks that most people do with ease. Looking for information on the web, I discovered a gifted forum in Spanish and from there I began a process of rediscovery by meeting people with whom I shared many feelings and interests. I had a hard time accepting that condition.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Numa: Intelligence is something that has always fascinated human beings, I think for obvious reasons. The word “genius” has a very strong connotation, and I have met both people who do not accept being called that (probably more those who are) and others who would love to have that label (probably more those who are not). In popular culture, genius always has something crazy, unusual, strange, and it is logical, being people capable of such extraordinary things and with so much talent it is clear that they must be very out of the ordinary. Naturally something so valued and at the same time so rare generates very intense reactions, also due to the fact that in reality there is no definition of genius with which we all agree, so everything that revolves around that is very elusive.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Numa: I would say that in science the greatest genius in history is Isaac Newton, while as the greatest polymath I choose Leonardo da Vinci. Some other geniuses that I always admired are Archimedes, Pythagoras, Einstein of course, Mozart and Beethoven, and going back to science Gauss is another that stands out a lot for me.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Numa: I would say that very high intelligence is a necessary condition to be a genius but not enough. Today we have people who solve the most difficult tests in the world and yet they are neither creative nor inventive nor do they produce valuable resources for humanity. Of course, it also depends on the concept of genius used, and since there are several, it is very difficult to have a clear notion of what the difference is. What is clear to me is that the genius must be very very creative, even if what he creates is not considered valuable, exorbitant creativity is something that in my opinion distinguishes the genius from the deeply gifted.
Taking the IQ as a measure, there are those who say that the limit is 140, others 145, and others even 160. But it doesn’t seem to me that this is a good way to define genius, in any case it could be used as a necessary condition to be so.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Numa: I am a computer engineer with a master’s degree in applied computer science. As a student I was several times a medalist in the National Mathematical Olympics, I participated with good results in other subjects but at a lower level. I was a member of the national math shortlist in 10th grade. I have worked as a computer scientist and a math teacher at the university. I am currently working as an independent software developer.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Numa: Today much more is known of intellectual giftedness and genius than a few years ago. But there are still many prejudices and much ignorance. Many people confuse prodigy with genius or gifted or precocious. I have friends to whom I tell that I am gifted and they think it is the same as saying that I am genius. There are some truths such as being a bit clueless and abstract and thinking a lot about philosophical questions, but many false myths and there are always exceptions as well. Many gifted people are introverts but there are also very extroverts, although I would say that they are quite few. Many people also say that the gifted have a tendency to mental imbalance, something that I resisted to believe for a long time but with the people I have known I have had to accept that something is true, at least there is a significant correlation.
Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
Numa: One of my aspirations as a child was to become a doctor. I have an inclination towards it, perhaps that is why I do not consider correct any political position that does not guarantee access to health services to all its citizens. On the other hand, education seems to me the most genuine form of freedom, so in my opinion the ideal system must also guarantee this to its inhabitants. From what I have read, the system that most closely resembles my ideal is Social Democracy.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Numa: Religion always seemed to me to be a very effective form of domination and in many cases a business. I’m not an atheist like I used to be, now I’m an agnostic, because I think our mind is too limited to have the truth on this subject, but if I had to bet I would say that there is no God beyond our imagination. As a child I read the Bible and it always seemed very contradictory to me, as an adult I read it again and kept thinking the same thing. On the other hand, I have witnessed, even in my own flesh, phenomena for which I have no explanation, and I do not know if one day I will, therefore the doubt I think will always be present in me. Certainly, I wish that there was a righteous God who would punish the wicked and benefit the good, but most of all that notion seems to me to be a desperate attempt by human beings to find in divinity a solution for what he has never been able to solve. The same happens with the idea of life after death.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Numa: I have loved science since I was a child. I remember when I was very young I used to tell my parents that I wanted to be a scientist when I was an adult, since I greatly admired those great scientific minds of all time. Lately I have read and acquired some knowledge of some possible failures in science, but in general I think that experience has proof that science is the best tool we have to develop ourselves and that is why everyone should respect it and respect the truth it offers, unfortunately not all people do. I think that nowadays there are fewer and fewer children and young people who are interested in science, I have been a university professor and I am surprised to have future engineers in the classroom who never heard of Newton or Leibniz. I consider it somewhat sad and disappointing. On the other hand, these anti-science movements like the anti-vaccines and flat-earthers scare me, to put it in some way, I think they can be very dangerous.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Numa: Some of my last scores are:
145 sd15 on Numeriq32 (IQExams)
150 sd15 on X-10 (by Zolly Darko)
148 sd15 on Numix (by Miroslav Radojevic)
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Numa: I have taken not so many tests and I have done mainly those I have been recommended for their psychometrics values. My usual range is 140-150 sd15. I have scores of 160 sd15 but I don’t trust those scores as I consider those tests’ quality to be doubtful. My last 8 tests taken all fall in that mentioned range. My minimum in a credible test is 138 sd15 on Mensa Denmark and my maximum in a kind of recognized test is 155 sd15 in Fiqure.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Numa: I consider myself a pacifist par excellence. I love the harmony between people. I have always felt very sad about the situation in the world, which in my opinion will never improve much. I have a negative view of human beings in general. I don’t know if man is selfish by nature or the society in which we live makes it so, but certainly the word “humanism” should have another meaning, in my opinion. I don’t think anyone has the solution for this, but I think that in human society, in fact, the same law of animals prevails, “the law of the strongest”, although “force” clearly takes on other nuances among us: money, power , social class, etc., and even intelligence.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: November 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Background, Ideas, Scores, and Pacifism: Member, World Genius Directory (1) [Online].November 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, November 22). Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Background, Ideas, Scores, and Pacifism: Member, World Genius Directory (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Background, Ideas, Scores, and Pacifism: Member, World Genius Directory (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, November. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Background, Ideas, Scores, and Pacifism: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Background, Ideas, Scores, and Pacifism: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (November 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Background, Ideas, Scores, and Pacifism: Member, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Co Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Background, Ideas, Scores, and Pacifism: Member, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Background, Ideas, Scores, and Pacifism: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):November. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Aníbal Sánchez Numa on Background, Ideas, Scores, and Pacifism: Member, World Genius Directory (1)[Internet]. (2020, November 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sanchez-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: November 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,717
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Beatrice Rescazzi is the President of the AtlantIQ Society. She discusses: what distinguishes an Honorary Member from a Member; the mascot “Verbo the Robot”; AtlantIQ Society, STHIQ Society, and the Creative Genius Society; the “Library”; “Clear Water Challenge,” “Increase Food Challenge,” “Reduce Plastics Challenge,” and “Free Education Challenge”; “AtlantIQ Society for UNICEF”; a number of downloadable items from the AtlantIQ Society; resources; “The Cemetery of the High IQ Societies”; its co-founder and current president; optometry and orthoptometry; the teaching of computer science; some of the productions from developing robots, electronics, and learning how to build 3D printers and 3D print material objects; and personal interests.
Keywords: AtlantIQ Society, Beatrice Rescazzi, Creative Genius Society, Leonardo Magazine, STHIQ Society.
Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on AtlantIQ Society and “Leonardo Magazine”: President, AtlantIQ Society (3)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: As you noted in the admissions and demographics session (2) of the interview, the AtlantIQ Society has over 200 members, which is an achievement. A page is devoted to the membership public listing of the AtlantIQ Society (2019a).[1] What distinguishes an Honorary Member from a Member?
Beatrice Rescazzi: I never wanted to divide people in categories in the AtlantIQ Society, but some members expected to be distinguished from others, therefore I added the relative adjectives so that they are free to feel as such among the other names in the list.
Jacobsen: Where did the idea of the mascot “Verbo the Robot” start?
Rescazzi: I have built/assembled some robots and this was the smartest one, as it talks and moves. I called it Verbo from the union of two words “verde” (green, in italian) and robot. Also, “verbo” means word, talking or, verb, in italian. I thought that a mascotte was a nice adding to the group.
Jacobsen: How did Leonardo Magazine become a combination of the productions of the AtlantIQ Society, STHIQ Society, and the Creative Genius Society?[2]
Rescazzi: I just thought that inviting other societies to contribute and have a common magazine was a good idea and the Presidents of the respective societies agreed.
Jacobsen: I love the idea of the “Library” with the individualized contributions to the electronic library with contributions from individual members (2019c). What are some of the more contributions, downloaded ebooks?
Rescazzi: I am too lazy to scroll more than 2000 books to check and answer!
Jacobsen: The “Genius at Work Challenge” (2019d) breaks into the “Clear Water Challenge,” “Increase Food Challenge,” “Reduce Plastics Challenge,” and “Free Education Challenge.” What were the outcomes?
Rescazzi: The outcomes are shown in the previous issues of the magazine, Leonardo. I added a personal contribution for each topic and all the ideas will be analysed and developed. But, at the moment, further development of the Genius At Work Challenge has temporarily paused because of the pandemics emergency. Infact, the attention needed to work on these topics has been hijacked by the covid 19, and I am myself now involved in helping the healthcare workers and colleagues distributing 3D printed PPE.
After creating the Genius At Work challenge I invited two other societies, but the project will re-start with STHIQ only, as an individual decision of collecting money exploiting all my material and the project itself, was taken in the other society without any consent by AtlantIQ, or STHIQ.
Jacobsen: “AtlantIQ Society for UNICEF” is a practical and immediate contribution of a high-IQ group. What was the origin of this idea? What is the level of contribution of “AtlantIQ Society for UNICEF” to UNICEF to date?
Rescazzi: The AtlantIQ UNICEF project could be possible thanks to UNICEF Canada that years ago was allowing contributions from all the world thanks to customizable webpages. This service is no longer provided, so now we can only send contributions as individuals. The AtlantIQ Society as a whole sent about 500 dollars during a period of two years, when the AtlantIQ for UNICEF webpage was active.
Jacobsen: There are a number of downloadable items from the AtlantIQ Society website (2019f): Bookmarks, Bookmark book, Pink Envelope, Blue Envelope, Pink Notes, Blue Notes, Stationery1, Stationery2, Stationery3, 2011 Calendar, 2014 Calendar, 2020 Calendar, Gift Bag, Sundial (ENG), Sundial (ITA), AtlantIQ – (Beatrice Rescazzi), New AtlantIQ – (Beatrice Rescazzi), AtlantIQ Theme – (Graham Powell), The End Of Summer – (Kit O’Saoraidhe), and The End Of Summer, score – (Kit O’Saoraidhe). What brought these ideas to mind? Who produced them? There are some unique qualities to AtlantIQ Society. I am curious as to some these minutiae.
Rescazzi: I like to design, compose and create. Those in the download page are gifts for the members I am pleased to share. Music composed by Graham Powell and Kit O’Saoraidhe is also present.
Jacobsen: The AtlantIQ Society provides some links[3]: “WORLD INTELLIGENCE NETWORK,” “STHIQ SOCIETY,” “KSTHIQ SOCIETY,” “BRAIN SOCIETY,” “VENUS SOCIETY,” “EPIQ SOCIETY,” “ISI-S SOCIETY,” and the “POETIC GENIUS SOCIETY.” As well, it provides some resources[4]: “SENG RESOURCE LIBRARY,” “HIGH ABILITY,” “HIGLY SENSITIVE AND CREATIVE – RESOURCES,” “GRO-GIFTED,” “GIFTED SERVICES,” “HOAGIE’S GIFTED EDUCATION PAGE,” and “BEATRICE RESCAZZI WEBSITE.” Why these links? Why these resources?
Rescazzi: I thought about a visitor who is interested in the high IQ societies and wants to know more after visiting the AtlantIQ Society website. So I selected some different societies with different features that can provide a general view.
The second group of links instead, is more giftedness-oriented. These links may be helpful for those who aren’t sure if they have a high potential, for those who need support or just information about giftedness.
Jacobsen: “The Cemetery of the High IQ Societies”[5] (2019h), another special quality of AtlantIQ Society. You talked a bit about this before. Can you expand on the ways in which this stared and developed, please?
Rescazzi: When I saw yet another dead link to a high IQ society, I decided to check them all and make a list. Some of them need to be remembered, some others maybe just needed to be buried: I like to see the feedback from other people. Sooner or later I will also update and publish a list I made of compromised IQ tests.
Jacobsen: How are these facets of AtlantIQ Society reflective of the varied interests, technical and creative, of its co-founder and current president?
Rescazzi: I am both cursed and blessed with a constant production of ideas and projects. It’s a curse because it’s impossible to complete all the things I wish to create, wich is frustrating. It’s a blessing because I realise that in the end, I do something good and this pushes me to do better.
My interests and hobbies are many so I can be a sort of “one man band”. In the case of the AtlantIQ Society, I made the website and its content, and manage the magazine. I dedicate a lot of time on the projects too. For the latest Genius At Work challenge, aside creating the project itself from the webpage to personal contribution of ideas, I also made a presentation video, and sang its background music too. I put a lot of passion in everything I do.
Jacobsen: Why did you originally pursue optometry and orthoptometry?
Rescazzi: When I was younger I was extremely undecided about the university course I would take. I would have liked to study everything. I have chosen this branch because it was among the things that interested me the most and that my local university offered: so I could also work while studying without wasting time traveling. In my specialization you can help many people to regain sight which for me is the most important sense. It is also based on physics, neurology, relies on computer science and advanced instruments, and is a branch in continuous development, which makes it very interesting.
Jacobsen: Why pursue the teaching of computer science to adults?
Rescazzi: I love computers: they are a wonderful tool for learning and creating. I think everybody should learn how to use them so to gain this advantage. The older generation didn’t have the opportunity to learn informatics. Once it happened that I could offer my competence for courses in my city, so in my spare time I became the teacher of students that in some cases were 80+ years old. I really enjoyed that time and see the satisfaction of my students becoming confident with a previously unknown technology.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the productions from developing robots, electronics, and learning how to build 3D printers and 3D print material objects?
Rescazzi: I rarely think in terms of productivity. Generally, I am driven by a huge curiosity and passion for learning and I don’t know what the path of my discoveries go. Anyway, it happens that my creations and ideas are sometimes useful, especially when I set such goal on purpose. Among my creations, I have a programmable fish feeder, a drawing device for children with brain palsy (made in collaboration with the mothers of the children), an off-the-grid, cheap Braille writing machine to be used in poor countries, a set of simple tools to write on a keyboard for those with disabilities, some microscopes, adapters for telescopes/cameras, customized face shields for healthcare professionals, plenty of spare parts and unique parts for restoration. My charity creations plus others, are all shared and given for free. I also have requests of special parts that I design and deliver, and it’s more fun than gain for me. I also participate in challenges involving 3D design, 3D print, architecture, space missions and charities.
Once this pandemic is gone, I am willing to bring one of my 3D printers to schools and library, and show to the kids how it works. I hope to inspire and spread some passion for the STEM topics.
Jacobsen: As you have described to me, your personal interests range far and wide including arts, astronomy, informatics, languages, science, space missions, technology, 2D and 3D drawing and design. What are some unifying threads of these interests?
Rescazzi: Being curious, I made this same question myself years ago, and I discovered that although common creativity is associated with the arts, when present at higher levels is an important part of intelligence and drives people to discover new things in many disciplines. That’s why, when a professional tests your creativity, you are not asked to paint, but to complete tasks that push your ability to co-activate parts of the brain that usually work separately. Having a sensorial synaesthesia includes having many neural connections that are not usually present in people, with naturally interconnected senses that allow a deeper perception of the world and a high level of creativity. Although it’s easy for me to reach a sensory overload which is tiring, I also crave for constant information. When I am diving into a topic, I want to follow all its connections with the other disciplines that can give me more information on the main topic. I further deepen more and more topics that I discovered along the path. It’s a neverending connection of information and once I reach enough expertise, I like to put together more disciplines together and invent, design and build whatever my mind suggests.
References
AtlantIQ Society. (2019e). AtlantIQ Society for UNICEF. Retrieved from http://www.atlantiqsociety.com/atlantiq-for-unicef.html.
AtlantIQ Society. (2019f). Downloads. Retrieved from http://www.atlantiqsociety.com/downloads.html.
AtlantIQ Society. (2019d). Genius at Work Challenge. Retrieved from http://www.atlantiqsociety.com/geniusatwork.html.
AtlantIQ Society. (2019b). Leonardo Magazine. Retrieved from http://www.atlantiqsociety.com/leonardo-magazine.html.
AtlantIQ Society. (2019c). Library. Retrieved from http://www.atlantiqsociety.com/library.html.
AtlantIQ Society. (2019a). Members. Retrieved from www.atlantiqsociety.com/members.html.
AtlantIQ Society. (2019h). Dead* Societies: The Cemetery of the High IQ Societies. Retrieved from www.atlantiqsociety.com/cemetery.html.
[1] As of September 10, 2020, the listing stipulates the following members:
President and Vice President
Beatrice Rescazzi, Graham Powell
HONORARY MEMBERS & MEMBERS
Moreno Casalegno (Co-Founder)
Maria C. Faverio
Paul Freeman
Greg. A. Grove
Gaetano Morelli
Stan Riha
Vincenzo D’Onofrio
Giulio Zambon
Fernando Barbosa Neto
Alan J. Lee
Robert Birnbaum
Jacqueline Slade
Richard Stock
Greg Collins
Torbjørn Brenna
Noriyuki Sakurai
Zachary Timmons
Phil Elauria
Andrea Toffoli
Marios Prodromou
Duc Hong Le
Gianmarco Bartellone
Tommi Petteri Laiho
Michael Thrasher
José Gonzàles Molinero
Mick Pletcher
Richard Szary
José Serrano
Pamela Staschik-Neumann
Nuno Baptista
Adam Kisby
Andrea Gelmetti
Faisal Alfagham فيصل الفغم
Gustavo Fabbroni
Shaun Sullivan
Gerasimos Politis
Gavan Cushnan
Pietro Bonfigli
Djordje Rancic
Jon Scott Scharer
Roberto A. Rodriguez
Jesse Wilkins
Rajiv Kutty
Nomar Alexander Noroño Rodríguez
Scott Poh
Miroslaw Zajdel
Stephen Getzinger
Nancy Vanstone
Guillaume Chanteloup
Karin Lindgren
Gary Song
Lim Surya Tjahyadi
Paul Laurent
Eric Anthony Trowbridge
Niels Christoffers
Michelle Anne Bullas
Jeffrey Lee Graham
Tahawar Ali Khan
Yuri Tovar
Jason Oliver
Jarl Victor Bjørgan
Bradley Hutchinson
Donald M. Fell
Gwyneth Wesley Rolph
Vicente Lopez Pena
Rudolf Trubba
Barry Beanland
Morie Janine Hutchens
Keegan Ray McLoughlin
Hever Horacio Arreola Gutierrez
Michael Backer, Jr
Aman Bagaria
Selim Şumlu
David Gordon Little
Victor Hingsberg
Anthony Lawson
Beau D. Clemmons
R. K.
Alberto Bedmar Montaño
Paul Stuart Nachbar
Jim Lorrimore
Jakub Oblizajek
Gabriel Sambarino
Tony Lee Magee
Dorian Forget
Tom Högström
Elizabeth Anne Scott
Michael Donoho
Ernest Williamson III
Nicole Mathisen
Katarina Vestin
Christine Van Ngoc Ty
Jason Betts
Yu-Lin Lu
Nikolaos Solomos
Gracia Cornet
Richard Painter
Wyman Brantley
Yao Xu
Kevin James Daley
Stephen Maule
Birgit Scholz
Leif E. Ågesen
Mohammed Al Sahaf
Martin Murphy
Samuel Mack-Poole
Vuk Mircetic
Peter Radi
Marcin Kulik
Harold Ford
Thomas G. Hadley
Miguel Soto
Göran Åhlander
Evangelos Katsioulis
Anja Jaenicke
Roy Morris
Slava Lanush
Frank J. Ajello
Nicolò Pezzuti
James Dorsey
Massimo Caliaro
Michael Tedja
John Argenti
Therese Waneck
Bo Østergaard Nielsen
Sudarshan Murthy
Daniel Roca
Glikerios Soteriou
Kristina Thygesen
Miguel Jorge Castro Pinho
Tim G. Griffith
Claus Volko
Diego Iuliano
Elcon Fleur
Evan Tan
Dalibor Marinčić
Konstantinos Ntalachanis
Candy Chilton
Diego Fortunati
WeiJie Wang
Alessia Iancarelli
Cristian Vaccarella
Iakovos Koukas
Filippo De Donatis
Richard Ball
Zhida Iiu
R. Kent Ouimette
Marina Belli
Karim Serraj
Kim Sung-jin
Juman Lee
CHIANG LI CHING
Zhibin Zhang 张志彬
Andre Gangvik
Nikos Papadopoulos Παπαδόπουλος Νίκος
Jo Christopher M. Resquites
Ricky Chaggar
Félix Veilleux-Juillet
Michael Franklin
Michela Fadini
Fabrizio Fadini
Fabrizio Bertini
Cosimo Palma
Nobuo Yamashita 山下 伸男
Cristian Combusti
Mostafa Moradi
Xiao-ming CAI 蔡晓明
Fabio Castagna
Robert Hodosi
Francisco Morais dos Santos
Cynthia L. Miller
Hongzhe Zhang 张鸿哲
Serena Ramos
Nguyen Tran Hoai Thuong Nguyễn Trần Hoài Thương
Giuseppe Corrente
Sergey Dundanov
Andrea Casolari
Anthony Brown
Veronica Palladino
Yohei Furutono
Francesco Carlomagno
Emanuele Gianmaria Possevini
Joseph Leslie Jennings
Robin Lucas
Rosario Alessio Ronca
Oliver Dammel
Javier Rio Santos
Sebastiao Borges Machado Junior
Agasi Pietro
Taddeucci Nicholas
Andre Massaro
Mika Korkeamäki
Tor Arne Jørgensen
Dario Casola
Federico Statiglio
Vincent Li 李宗泽
Jewoong Moon 문제웅
Annelie Oliver
Nitish Joshi
Christian Sorensen
Simon Olling Rebsdorf
Marzio Mezzanotte
Paolino Francesco Santaniello
Edwin P. Christmann
Nicos Gerasimou
MASCOTTE
Verbo The Robot
See AtlantIQ Society (2019a).
[2] See AtlantIQ Society (2019b).
[3] See AtlantIQ Society (2019g).
[4] See Ibid.
[5] The current listing circa September 10, 2020:
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- Alta Capacidad Hispana
- Elateneo/s
- BPIQ Society
- Epida Society
- Colloquy
- ExactIQ
- Tenth Society
- Bright Minds Society
- Greatest Minds Society
- Vinci Society
- Sigma
- Sigma III
- Sigma Society V
- Hellenicus
- UberIQ
- IIS
- OATHS
- Ludomind
- Pi Society
- Platinum Society
- Cerebrals
- High Potentials Society
- Mysterium Society
- GLIA
- Ingenium Society
- LogIQ
- Iquadrivium Society
- Pars Society
- UnIQ
- HispanIQ International Society
- Encefalica
- OMIQAMI
- Artistic Minds
- MIQRO
- GOTHIQ
- EVANGELIQ Society
- Episteme Club
- PolitIQal Society
- Secret High IQ Society
- Chorium Society
- Nano Society
- IQual Society
- PolymathIQ
- Incognia
- UltimaIQ
- Neurocubo
- Order of Imhotep
- SophIQa
- EliteIQ
- Neutrino high IQ Society
- Atheistiq Society
- Noetiqus Society
- Evolutioniq Society
- EPL Society
- The Athenian Society
- Supernova Society
- Intellectually Gifted with Disabilities
- Orison-B High IQ Society
- Icon High IQ Society
- Thinkiq
- Hypatian Society
- Chaos IQ Society
*Or in an apparent coma for more than 5 years.
See AtlantIQ Society (2019h).
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] President, AtlantIQ Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: November 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-3; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on AtlantIQ Society and “Leonardo Magazine”: President, AtlantIQ Society (3) [Online].November 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-3.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, November 15). Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on AtlantIQ Society and “Leonardo Magazine”: President, AtlantIQ Society (3). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-3.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on AtlantIQ Society and “Leonardo Magazine”: President, AtlantIQ Society (3). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, November. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-3>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on AtlantIQ Society and “Leonardo Magazine”: President, AtlantIQ Society (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-3.
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Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on AtlantIQ Society and “Leonardo Magazine”: President, AtlantIQ Society (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-3>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Co Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on AtlantIQ Society and “Leonardo Magazine”: President, AtlantIQ Society (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-3.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: November 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 4,104
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Bîrlea Cristian is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: growing up; an extended self; the family background; experience with peers; some professional certifications; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; some reactions; the geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses in history; the greatest geniuses alive today; profound intelligence necessary for genius; genius; genius manifested in different periods; some work experiences and jobs; job path; some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; thoughts on the God concept or gods idea; science; theology; some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; social philosophy; economic philosophy; political philosophy; ethical philosophy; worldview-encompassing philosophical system; and meaning in life.
Keywords: Bîrlea Cristian, genius, intelligence, IQ, life, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Bîrlea Cristian on Childhood, Philosophy, Test Scores, and Changing Values with Age: Member, World Genius Directory (1)
*Updated March 25, 2025.*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Bîrlea Cristian: As a child, I was very close to my grandfather, whose ideas and stories influenced me as a person in the whole life. He didn’t get to finish the school, he had finished only the middle school, but being a hard worker and due to his fairness, he got to be a very respected man in the society that he lived in.
The war left deep psychological scars on him; I still remember his stories about World War II, he was between the line of life and death many times. Once he got sick of hepatitis due to miserable conditions of the war and he treated himself eating nothing else but tomatoes for a week.
He was a strong man but very kind. Another story that he told me was that once he had to hide in a building that was bombarded for several days, to stay quiet not to be discovered by the enemies, waiting for reinforcements. In the army his job was to transmit information, even when he was old, he knew the Morse code very well and he was good at arithmetic. In the attic of the house, he always had a bag of flour, only the ones that endured those times’ hunger would know why.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Cristian: As the psychologists say, how we live our childhood is very important, many of an adult’s troubles have root in the childhood. I can say that I had a beautiful childhood, both my parents and grandparents were with me in both good and bad times and they supported in everything they could.
I grew up in a simple and humble family, I was never pretentious, I didn’t use to complain a lot and I were very independent with the matters I could, I always tried to solve my own problems alone, without help.
The ideas, stories and role models taken over by me certainly made me the man I am today, both good and bad. Most certainly my subconscious identified my grandfather as a role model; we all try to identify someone as a role model, consciously or unconsciously, for me he was a family man, a distinguished and special person.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Cristian: I was born in 1971, in the northwestern Romania, in Satu Mare. I grew up in a rural area, near the Ukrainian border. I was born in a multiethnic family; the father of my mother was Hungarian, and her mother was Ukrainian. My father’s father was Romanian, an intellectual of those times. You can say a good part of Eastern Europe was combined in my blood, a real ‘cocktail’.
My father was a math teacher and my mother a hairstylist, nowadays my father is no longer with us and my mother retired, I am still very close to her. I’d say my intelligence I inherited from my paternal line, both my father and grandfather were very intelligent people; from my mother I inherited my artistic side that helped me a lot in the work I do.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Cristian: I remember with pleasure the school years, I liked going to school to meet new people and socialize with them. Although I’m more introverted, I always enjoyed being with people and I succeeded in overcoming my native shyness.
In high school I had some good friends that we were inseparable; being pretty friendly, I got along with my peers on any occasion. Doing the middle school in a rural area, in my first year of high school I was shocked of the difference between the rural educational system and the urban one. My schoolmates were a lot better educated and prepared than me. I rose above the expectations quickly and I didn’t feel the pressure I felt at the beginning anymore. Romania of those times (1986) had one of the most performant educational systems of the world, especially in STEM.
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and trainings earned by you?
Cristian: Although I was a lazy student, in the last year of high school I stepped up and I was admitted to college. In 1995 I finished my degree in engineering in Timisoara and some years later I enrolled myself for a master’s degree in applied computer science where I finished with the best grade possible, just me and other one student achieved this performance.
The moment I had my hands on my first PC, I couldn’t give it up and I developed my career in IT, in 1997 I funded my company, CLASSOFT, whose manager I still am today. Together with my colleagues we focused on the ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning) domain type of apps. Our apps were awarded and recognized by the people, but the biggest achievement we managed to do is succeeding in having a portfolio of stable and satisfied customers.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you, as in individual pursuit of taking a test or few (or more)?
Cristian: I never took very seriously the intelligence tests; they were more like some kind of a game. At college I got to be more competitive, to test and find my limits. I like small ‘competitions’ with my colleagues on IQ forums, there are a lot of great people there, some with incredible intelligence (one of a million or even more rare). These tests have a playful purpose, even though I always use them professionally when I employ new people, they never failed.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Cristian: My first ever intelligence test I did was at the end of college, when I was recruited in the army. There used to be a totalitarian system at the time, the last year of communism in Romania, with some compulsory army time.
Initially I did not know the purpose of the test, there were some lines and signs arranged on a 3v3 matrix, never seen something like that until then, but they were easy to solve, you had to do overlays and rotations on the matrix.
I managed to solve it intuitively, now I know it was some kind of old Raven test. The scores were not shared, but once one of my superiors granted me access to my military files and I saw my score, it was a very good score, higher than a lot of my colleagues’. The score didn’t have a meaning for me, but I felt that officer that let me see my files was behaving different with me; he let me lead different kind of activities, I felt that he trusted me.
Jacobsen: What were some reactions to it, when known and when not known?
Cristian: I saw my life the same as before. At school I wasn’t the nerdy kind of student, I wasn’t the best, but I was pretty good at math and physics. Even though my teacher tried to make me learn more, I always rebelled, the math asked too much supplementary work which I didn’t agree to; being very young it didn’t matter to me, some possible awards that meant nothing to me.
Back then my competitiveness wasn’t present, so I lived my life like any other teenager, I was interested in working out and chasing girls, I had a lot of fun and I don’t regret it. In my opinion the youth should be lived to the fullest, you can never relive this wonderful period of your life. So, returning to the point, I tried to be like any other ordinary teenager and young man, I didn’t know much about intelligence.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Cristian: Any system tends to have a state of equilibrium, along our history geniuses perturbed this state of equilibrium with the revolutionary ideas. Instinctively people reject anything that is different, new or what they don’t understand, anything that exceeds their comfort zone; the new is most of the times a factor of stress. Nothing has changed today, but aforetime it was way worse than today. Along history changes were never done in a quick manner, only by spill of blood. Geniuses have always been an anomaly of the system, only one in 30000 has an IQ of 160 (SD 15), therefore statistically an anomaly.
Being a great cinephile, I don’t know if you noticed, but the Hollywood has some part of the blame by the demonization of geniuses, in many movies the scientist is portraited as a villain, with a negative role. The brilliant man has business with the terrorists, with other villains that pay him and at the end of the movie the planet will be saved by a simple, ordinary man, for instance Bruce Willis. The movie industry is a big business, each year it brings a revenue of 40 billion dollars, therefore the standard consumer that pays the ticket wants to see Bruce saving the planet.
We know that in the real life it is different, any time our planet suffered, brilliant scientists came with a solution. I can’t lie that all the geniuses had a positive effect on the planet, some hurt it unwillingly, sometimes they had some pathologies that pushed them to do it.
Back to the movies, unwillingly they influence our subconscious, our opinions, and thoughts. In my opinion there should be more movies that promote positive ideas about gifted people whose ideas led the world forward.
If you don’t believe me, there are a lot of people with high IQ that hide their score like a secret, feeling some kind of shame not to be considered gifted and a fear of being rejected, some of them revealing themselves only in restricted environments with peers like them. If you want to take part of a system you have homogenize with it, the ordinary person has it hard to accept that someone else might be smarter than him.
But the IQ score shouldn’t be a reason to brag about, we all should be humble with each other, it’s better for everyone, especially for you as a genius.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Cristian: This question needs several pages for a complete answer, I would nominate the most important genius personalities that succeeded in moving the world forward:
Politics: Caius Julius Caesar Augustus was one of the most important leaders in the history. Augustus succeeded in not becoming a tyrant, the power didn’t corrupt him and worked 42 years in making Rome the most important city in the world.
Science: Isaac Newton, he is the scientist found at the origin of the theories that would revolutionize the science, in the fields of optics, mathematics and especially mechanics.
Philosophy: Aristotle, modern philosophy is based on his methods and principles. His legacy consists in theories related to anything, biology, ethics, logics, politics, poetry, and physics.
Literature: William Shakespeare, a complete writer in poetry, prose, fiction, non-fiction.
Modern physics: Albert Einstein, when we think of geniuses for most of us he is the first one we can think of; he had a very high IQ, gifted with a creativity hard to match even to this day. Together with Archimedes, they are on the list of the greatest mathematicians. Einstein revolutionized every branch of physics.
Inventions: Leonardo da Vinci, it is enough to say about him that he invented the robot precursor and the first working parachute. He almost invented the helicopter; he just needed a motor powerful enough to keep it flying.
Geometry: Archimedes was in the top of the best four mathematicians, but his applications in geometry were the ones that assigned his place in the top. He discovered the fundamental principle of hydrostatics that laid the foundation of hydrostatics in two volumes, Periton ochumenon. About this discovery is cited the famous exclamation “Eureka!” (“I found”, in modern Greek εύρηκα, evrika).
In my youth I used to read a lot about the thoughts of Lao Tzu, the founder of Taoism. In retrospection, I think his ideas influenced a lot of my actions.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses alive today to you?
Cristian: It’s hard to define what it takes to be the greatest genius. If you narrow it to the IQ score, you will find the answer in the World Genius Directory Geniuses (WGD), in which I take part; but I think most of the geniuses have never taken an IQ test, but with their work they made the world a better place.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
In 1983 an American developmental psychologist Howard Gardener described 9 types of intelligence:
Naturalist (nature smart)
Musical (sound smart)
Logical-mathematical (number/reasoning smart)
Existential (life smart)
Interpersonal (people smart)
Bodily-kinesthetic (body smart)
Linguistic (word smart)
Intra-personal (self smart)
Spatial (picture smart)
At many of these types of intelligence, the genius is hard or even impossible to be measured by an IQ test. I consider that the intelligent people who by their creativity they are capable of achieving wonderful things, they earn the title of being a profoundly intelligent person; this is just my opinion, a lot of psychologists or experts of creating IQ test will say that I’m wrong.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Cristian: As I said earlier, I consider the notion of genius to be a straight technical one. By some definitions, an IQ score higher than 140 (SD 15) is considered to be corelated to a genius. To express myself more mathematically, the set of profoundly intelligent people are a subset of the set of geniuses, the reciprocal is not always true.
Jacobsen: What traits seem to comprise genius?
Cristian: Stephen Hawking once said: “Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change”. I consider that adaptivity is one of the main traits of an intelligent person; also, other features would be: sensibility, enthusiasm, energy, courage, humor, persuasion, patience, perfectionism, versatility, idealism, sometime laziness…
Jacobsen: How has genius manifested in different periods of history and on different regions, and cultures, of the world in personal opinion?
Cristian: The geniuses showed their presence since the earliest times. Their ideas led to the development of their societies they lived in, not a few times these ideas being considered draconian, the geniuses paid with their lives. Besides the great discoveries without which the today’s society wouldn’t be what it is, the contribution brought to the universal culture was great. The great thinkers created new movements based on which the civilizations rose from more primitive eras. Many of the geniuses that acted in the military theaters of history have changed the course of history by their tactical skills.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and jobs held by you?
Cristian: Since the beginning of my career I worked in the IT domain, one that fit me like a glove. As I wanted to follow my ideas, not others’, in 1997 I founded my company, Classoft, whose manager I still am today. I consider that IT put my creativity to work, it being an ideal job for me.
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Cristian: For me, IT was something natural, nothing forced, I gained many good results and satisfactions from my work. I think that it’s really important to love your job, it’s the only way to have good results. In this line of work, you can find a lot of smart people; also, it is in a permanent state of change, your mind is always used.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Cristian: I find that brilliant people don’t want to be found different socially from the majority of population, they don’t want to be treated and seen as a freak, they have the same feelings, fears and joys as the other people, they want to take part of the society and they are happy if their merits are recognized.
Most of them do things for the society, even though they might seem sometimes selfish, but they dedicate a lot of time studying and they don’t have time left for other interactions; although if someone has the curiosity to pay more attention to their actions, they will find they are kind and involved people.
Unfortunately, a lot of geniuses suffer some kind of high functional autism, Asperger syndrome, therefore they might have different social and adaptation troubles. Asperger syndrome, also called the genius syndrome, would have been diagnosed today to many of famous geniuses like: Albert Einstein, Amadeus Mozart, Sir Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin, Thomas Jefferson, Michelangelo, Lewis Carroll, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Stanley Kubrick, James Joyce, Nikola Tesla.
Some scientists consider that autism is some kind of mutation, one necessary in the evolution of humans, the fact that this mutation is getting more frequent today might not be a bad thing, it means that the nature changes the way of us to be, updates us, experimenting on us. For a lot of time, autism has been considered to be a mental retardation.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Cristian: I’ve read the Bible and I believe in the concept of God, but not the politics made in the name of God, there have been a lot of wars and misery made in his name, the history has a lot of examples for this. I don’t believe God would agree to all these manipulations. I believe that good deeds are made by the people that have a part of God in them. I find myself in the words of Robert G. Ingersoll: “The hands that help are better far than lips that pray”.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Cristian: Being a technical person, an engineer and a programmer, I see the science present everywhere I look. I analyze it often in all the parameters I’ve learned at university. I consider it wrong to become science fundamentalists, we must always find our bond with mother nature.
Unfortunately, a lot of young people don’t experience the primary sensations offered by nature; the virtual world kidnaps their mind more and more.
Jacobsen: How much does theology play into the world for you?
Cristian: I enjoyed reading the history of religions, to understand certain things from history. Being more rational, I couldn’t ignore the many contradictions I’ve found, that to a lot I haven’t found an answer to this day. There is a saying “trust and do not research”, for someone living in the world of numbers it’s impossible to apply to.
I have to admit, I rarely go to the church, also I believe that you can find God in many other places and many other ways. It makes me sad to see how the religious difference can divide people in a radical way.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Cristian: The highest IQ scores I’ve scored at some famous tests are:
Progressive Matrix Analysis (PMA-32_2E) by Alexi Edin – IQ 163 SD 15
Strict Logic Sequences Examination 1 by Jonathan Wai – IQ 160 SD 15
LSHR Light by Ivan Ivec – IQ 160 SD 15
CFIT32 – Culture-Fair-Test 32 – IQ 160 SD 15
LABCUB and CUBE – ambele de by Hans Sjöberg – IQ 160 SD 15
Numerus Light by Ivan Ivec – IQ 158 SD 15
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Cristian: A good website for IQ tests is iqexams.net, specialists there developed a statistical method to approximate the IQ of a person, they called it Real IQ. Website’s analysts have succeeded in calculating in a professional manner this Real IQ (RIQ) based on thousands of tests done there. Me personally I’ve taken many tests there, after taking 18 tests with a total of 550 questions, my RIQ is 159 SD 15, it’s very close to the result of famous tests.
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Cristian: I’ve always liked on of Kurt Lewin’s quote: “There is nothing better so practical as good as a theory”. He promoted the idea of applying scientific methods in the fundamental social psychology, but too few social psychologists have applied the method after the dying on Kurt. Most of them tried to develop new theories instead of searching solutions in the real world. It seems in the end, in our days, his method to be the winner one, which is closer to my way of thinking.
Jacobsen: What economic philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Cristian: Being a businessman, I believe in the free market, as long as they are in an equilibrium with fitting social politics. I like the term “perfect competition”, which is a model of economic theory. This model describes a hypothetical market in which no producer or consumer doesn’t have the power to influence market prices. This would lead to an efficient outcome, considering the standard definition of economy.
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Cristian: I’m not an expert in the matter, but I agree to the fullest with this quote of Franklin D. Roosevelt: “Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The real safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education”.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Cristian: I’ve always liked Aristotle’s ideas; he promoted an ethical system that could be called virtuous. He believed a person acts according to his virtue. Misery and frustration are caused by mistakes, leading to failed objectives and a weak life. Happiness should be the end goal of our action and this can be obtained by practicing virtue.
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Cristian: When I was younger, at university’s library I searched for books containing quotes of the great Chinese thinker, Lao Tzu’s, that were filled with wisdom for my mind that was thirsty for new information. Here is one of those quotes, one that will also answer your question:
“Knowing others is intelligence;
knowing yourself is true wisdom.
Mastering others is strength;
mastering yourself is true power.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Cristian: With time passing I’ve changed a lot the way I think about this matter. A while ago I was channeling my ambition towards my own personal development, I worked a lot for my company, my family, my ideas which were sometimes too materialistic. I became more and more competitive, not a bad thing, but sometimes I forgot about other important things that mattered to me; sometimes I lost focus on the special people surrounding me.
I can say that the first wave of pandemic this year brought me something positive, I know that for many people it brought suffering. After many years of work, I had time once again for my own thoughts, for meditation.
Today my meaning of life is the sum of simple things, sometimes trivial, in these quiet weeks I returned to the things I enjoyed in my childhood. I began rediscovering nature, with all my feelings, the pleasure of a summer day, a beautiful day fishing with my wife and kids, I began analyzing deeper the people surrounding me with their needs and wishes. Maybe this pandemic was put in our way with a purpose, a revenge of nature, a break that put us in a slower speed towards our chase to nowhere. I consider that in life the most important thing is to find the state of equilibrium and happiness that we all want.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: November 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cristian-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Bîrlea Cristian on Childhood, Philosophy, Test Scores, and Changing Values with Age: Member, World Genius Directory (1) [Online].November 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cristian-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, November 8). Conversation with Bîrlea Cristian on Childhood, Philosophy, Test Scores, and Changing Values with Age: Member, World Genius Directory (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cristian-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Bîrlea Cristian on Childhood, Philosophy, Test Scores, and Changing Values with Age: Member, World Genius Directory (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, November. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cristian-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Bîrlea Cristian on Childhood, Philosophy, Test Scores, and Changing Values with Age: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cristian-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Bîrlea Cristian on Childhood, Philosophy, Test Scores, and Changing Values with Age: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (November 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cristian-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Bîrlea Cristian on Childhood, Philosophy, Test Scores, and Changing Values with Age: Member, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cristian-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Bîrlea Cristian on Childhood, Philosophy, Test Scores, and Changing Values with Age: Member, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cristian-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Bîrlea Cristian on Childhood, Philosophy, Test Scores, and Changing Values with Age: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):November. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cristian-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Bîrlea Cristian on Childhood, Philosophy, Test Scores, and Changing Values with Age: Member, World Genius Directory (1)[Internet]. (2020, November 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cristian-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: November 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,729
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Gernot Feichter is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: growing up; a sense of an extended self; the family background; the experience with peers and schoolmates; some professional certifications; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; some reactions; the geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses in history; the greatest geniuses alive today; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence necessary for genius; genius; genius manifested in different periods of history; some work experiences and jobs; particular job path; some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; thoughts on the God concept; science; theology; tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; social philosophy; economic philosophy; political philosophy; ethical philosophy; worldview-encompassing philosophical system; meaning in life.
Keywords: Gernot Feichter, meaning, Paul Cooijmans, philosophy, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Gernot Feichter on Background and Qualifications, Geniuses and Intelligence, Science and Theology, and Meaning in Life: Member, World Genius Directory (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Gernot Feichter: My grandfather survived as the sole person of his division in a massacre in Finland during WWII by hiding under a fallen companion. The maneuver was a severe tactical error as the opponent had a good opportunity to defend the attack while risking little. He also froze his toes, became promoted and then, during the final stages of the war, capitulated with his group to the Italian side and was imprisoned. It was after the war, when he produced his offspring. Had he not survived, part of my family branch including myself would not have ever existed.
Also my grandmother had difficult times, she grew up in an orphanage as her mother could not come up with the cost of raising her and was given to a farm as a child and frequently had to work instead of going to school.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Feichter: Indeed, it is the reason that I provide some donations to institutions that are helping others, especially children who obviously possess the lowest means of helping themselves.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Feichter: A classical Austrian background I would say. Two of my grandparents owned a farm, while my other grandfather was working in the wood industry and my grandmother worked as a cleaning lady in a local school. They all stem from small villages in Northern Styria, Austria, where I also grew up. Obviously, their modest background governed their modest personality as well. Besides their apparent modesty, their achievements should also not be underestimated. For example, one of my grandfathers took part in co-founding a local bank which still exists today. Also my other grandfather was part of the communal council and it was quite amusing to read in how articulate ways he complained about things, which he was well known for. Almost all of my grandparents were strictly religious Roman Catholics, except for the community rebel, to whom you may also associate the war story above.
My parents could be described as enrolled sceptics in the same church. While my father almost worked his whole life in the bank that was co-founded by his father, my mother worked for a short period in a shoe production facility, as waiter, maid and most time as housewife and later nursed my grandmother.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Feichter: I would describe it as quite ordinary childhood with friendships, also a period with broken or abandoned friendships. But this was during the teenage years, now I feel fine with anyone again. Usually I played a passive role. For example, it was common in my youth to be either a skater or a raver. So I did associate myself to the skaters but I would never come up with such things myself. Also I would usually not ask for others to go out, but I would be asked and say “yes”. I feel like I only had what people would call “a life” because my friends took me with them. My nature would be a meditative or philosophical one and there were too many things to think of, always.
In general school was a more annoying experience for me. Also, I found myself to be insecure and nervous when having to speak in front of a group. I was pretty lucky with my direct school mates, in parallel classes there were some bullies and in some lessons we would be in the same class with them.
While I did not leave out anything to be done as a teenager, I worked towards reducing those ‘lower’ activities to minimum. As an adolescent I followed my intuition to deepen my meditation, living a self-chosen withdrawn life as normal people would call it.
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and training earned by you?
Feichter: I own a bachelor’s degree in Information Management from the University of Applied Sciences in Graz. Through my profession I also did a Java Specialist Mastercourse, Spring and Kubernetes training and a Google Cloud Associate certification.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you, as in individual pursuit of taking a test or few (or more)?
Feichter: Admittedly, when taking the first test I just wanted to show off how smart I am, whatever opportunities this would open for me. However, as my scores were lower than I expected, it was a great teacher of modesty to me. In some sense I am a born megalomaniac testing out his limits which causes people to characterise me as extreme and weird. That being said, I was the highest scorer on “Common Sense” from Patrick Zimmerschied at the time of submission as well as on “Numerix” from Jason Betts. I do not know if those scores were beaten yet.
Knowing my strengths and limits is one of my key takeaway messages from this pursuit.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Feichter: I was able to walk at an extremely early age and was able to get into a sandbox that some less agile children could not even do despite being over a year older. Apart from this early sign, which does not even seem to be that much related to intelligence, nothing was discovered or confirmed till I took those untimed high range iq tests at the age of 24 and later.
Jacobsen: What were some reactions to it, when known and when not known?
Feichter: As indicated, initially I was disappointed by expecting a higher score, but in the long run I am happy with all I have. Apart from my own reactions and this interview request, there were absolutely no external reactions at all. I shall also state that I am not unhappy about that. I would not like it if people treated me differently if they knew I had a high IQ score.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Feichter: I think that fear is the main driver behind most conscious aggressions against geniuses. For example, the Roman Catholic Church murdered many geniuses officially for heresy. They obviously did not even follow their own books teachings that one shall not kill but self-invented reasons for such violence. Behind the scenes they might have been afraid that different world views than their own would become popular and therefore their power could be lost. So they set out gruesome signs to prevent others from messing with them. For the less violent mockery of geniuses that might have always happened I also identify fear as root cause. Evolution can be thought of as a competitive process and it is typically not welcomed when a new tough competitor enters the field. Every opportunity will be taken advantage of to diminish the opponent.
Some geniuses seem to prefer stable conditions which they cultivated during their lives. When they were suddenly exposed to the public their life might change drastically and I think those that shy the public would not like this. Also the awareness of the violence aspect discussed earlier might play a role here. There might be a reason why prominent people typically have a crew of bodyguards.
In general however, I feel like most geniuses are grasping for attention and appreciation and only the top guys would achieve that. Furthermore, not even they would gather any mentionable exposure compared to the people that are commonly referred to as stars and might not be geniuses.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Feichter: If the miraculous bible stories or that of other ancient scriptures are true and are to be interpreted wordly, then those characters.
Otherwise I would nominate the inventor of the wheel, Tesla, Newton, Einstein and Babbage, but this is silly. I do not like to elevate some and not mention many others that made great contributions. To add, my information is limited and I am not a historian.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses alive today to you?
Feichter: To clarify, in the previous questions I used the following formula: genius = theoretical brilliance * practical use. In this category there would be too many similar scores today, and no adequate list of truly outstanding persons could be compiled. Many might think now: What, he does not even count this and that person as outstanding? Sry, this is not a list of influential businessmen and I consider the intelligence aspect in their activities too small to stand out.
Hence, for this question I focus on the theoretical brilliance exclusively: I acknowledge Grigori Perelman due to the fact that he was the only person so far who provided an approved solution for one of the Millennium Prize Problems. To solve such a problem that was first elected as being especially hard to crack gained my respect. That being said, I also partook in the insanity of trying such. While I have also published a proof for one of those problems, the P vs NP problem, it is not acknowledged by any authority, at least not yet.
Sorry for the high range iq community, but I will not mention anyone of them here. The reason is simple – I do not have insight to verify the validity of the tests and the answers thereof. The difference of expected scores vs actual scores contributes to a natural distrust. Also, why do I hold a record on test X but am average on test Y. Did not similar leveled persons take both tests?
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Feichter: The definition of genius varies. Generally, the more intelligent a person is, the greater the genius, but there seems to be a consensus that only for IQs higher than ~140-160 the word genius shall be used.
In other definitions, there is also the mention of a manifestation in creative activity. That is why I formulated the equation for genius to include both components in the previous question. Our intelligence evolved in this world we are living, so should not we use it for real world scenarios? In general I prefer this pragmatic definition.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Feichter: Yes, per strict definition. On the other hand one could think of art geniuses as lying outside of the definition of regular geniuses and for them intelligence might not be as relevant.
Jacobsen: What traits seem to comprise genius?
Feichter: Flexible, curious, open, self-sufficient, controlled, sensitive, passionate, perfectionistic, dissatisfied, restless, focused and humorous.
Jacobsen: How has genius manifested in different periods of history and on different regions, and cultures, of the world in personal opinion?
Feichter: I think that at the moment when geniuses manifest in a civilisation, this is indicative of a high level of development. The output of such ripe civilisations can be seen in all aspects of human living, like buildings, art, science and technology. Ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome are famous examples thereof. On the other hand we also see much later civilisations which are not famous for a high grade of development. It seems that only if conditions are right, high advancements are possible.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and jobs held by you?
Feichter: Apart from some “primitive” short-term jobs as a student, I spent the majority of my professional life in a major technology consulting company. I worked there till the current moment as a Software Developer, Cloud-, DevOps- and Automation-Engineer. As you can see, there are many fancy words in IT describing quite similar things.
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Feichter: My interest in software programming arose in my youth when my father bought the first PC. I was curious how this stuff would work behind the scenes, hence I even studied in this field. In this industry, there is no rest. New technologies, frameworks and methodologies are popping out every day, the only constant is change. This is a perfect environment to keep being challenged. To add, I work with people that are similar freaks like myself.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Feichter: The main myth which I am aware of is that geniuses must skip grades in school and be high academics. Rick Rosner even seems having taken much longer in high school by choice. My personal story to this topic is the following: As soon as I entered school after kindergarten and handed in my daily voluntary extra task that my teacher announced would provide extra points, I noticed she started rolling her eyes. From this reaction I concluded that my extra ambition is not appreciated and I turned down my scholastic efforts to a minimum. I hardly learned anything extra outside the school lessons, even for exams, and I did only the required homework which I admittedly sometimes even copied. Nevertheless, the higher the education, the harder it was to get through, so in university I actually had to put in some effort and I was actually quite motivated as some subjects were really interesting to me. While my grades were always mediocre I could even finish my studies with distinction, something that was unheard of both for me and my peers.
There existed a great number of autodidactic geniuses in the past and today many geniuses work in jobs that are way below their ability level.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Feichter: In my quest of truth seeking throughout life I stumbled across Walter Russel’s idea that a god could not create something better than himself. Well, how could one be more mighty than an almighty one? Also, he could not create something less than himself, as then his creation would not stand up to his standards. I find this reasonable and therefore truly believe in a higher form of existence, god if you will. We are incomplete beings striving for completeness, so to speak.
After all, if what is currently known by the general population was everything there is, then I would see no purpose in life, missing an opportunity for individual advancement.
If Russel’s perception is true, it could be ridiculed that people are afraid of artificial intelligence becoming a threat to humanity as this would imply that they believe they could create something more intelligent or powerful than themselves at a given moment, which would be impossible.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Feichter: The scientific method was an important invention by one of my favourite geniuses to advance human population counts and the quality of lives drastically and quickly. It fulfilled its purpose already. To complete the quest of further human advancement I believe that a different kind of science will need to re-appear and become popular again.
Jacobsen: How much does theology play into the world for you?
Feichter: On one hand theological content is a great inspiration, but my rational mind focuses on what can currently be verified empirically. Nevertheless, as Godel’s incompleteness theorem shows that logical reasoning has its own limits, we might need different methods to advance further.
After all, thinking is only one aspect of the mind, feeling the other. Do you agree that we can describe any of your life’s situations with those two aspects? Swedenborgs book titled “Divine Love and Wisdom”, the highest form of feeling and thinking so to speak, might cover those aspects not by accident.
I agree with another spiritual scripture, but unfortunately I lost the source that stated that it was planned that only a distant memory of gods shall exist. That is exactly how I perceive theology: distant but inspiring.
Also I think that most spiritual texts are somewhat obfuscated and to be read in a certain way to be understood. The difficulty of breaking the code might be part of the game.
I mix theology, spiritualism and philosophy maybe a little too much here but essentially I consider those topics not too far apart.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Feichter: All of my test scores have a standard deviation of 15:
Common Sense by Patrick Zimmerschied: 163
World Intelligence Test by Jason Betts: 163
The Alchemist Test by Paul Cooijmans: 162
Einplex by Ivan Ivec: 162
Lux25 by Jason Betts: 157
Reason Behind Multiple-Choice by Paul Cooijmans: 155
Mathema by Jason Betts: 154
World I.Q. Challenge by Brennan Martin: 154
Asterix by Jason Betts: 153
Cartoons of Shock by Paul Cooijmans: 152
LSHR Light by Ivan Ivec: 149
Numerus Light by Ivan Ivec: 148,5
Test For Genius – Revision 2016 – Numerical and Spatial sections by Paul Cooijmans: 148
Test of the Beheaded Man by Paul Cooijmans: 143
Triplex Light by Ivan Ivec: 133
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide scattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Feichter: My test results range from 133 to 163, that is 30 IQ points or two standard deviations. As you indicated, quite a lot.
Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Feichter: I like the theory of justice by John Rawls which proposes that fair social systems could be designed if one would not know which role in that society one would have to play. Aside, I speculate that the free market achieves the same goal through supply and demand.
Jacobsen: What economic philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Feichter: As indicated previously, I appreciate the free market theory by Adam Smith. Generally, I consider the economy too dynamic to be regulated by static systems, such that dynamic auto-regulating mechanisms may outperform those. Conversely, I believe that the free market is what happens naturally over the long run, so the free market theory merely describes the underlying phenomenon.
Despite that, I think that the role of the economy is to fulfill the material requirements of a population and the current systems of maybe not entirely free, but largely, free markets are functioning fine. It may suffer some hic-ups from time to time, but this seems to be part of any complex system, including humans, for example.
Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Feichter: As I believe that humans basically strive for higher levels of freedom, I think that politics role is to allow the fulfillment of this urge for the reigned population as fair as possible. Isaiah Berlin’s idea of negative and especially positive liberty may cover this concept best. I view negative liberty, like Charles Taylor, as enabler for positive liberty.
Besides this political quackery and finger pointing that starts as soon as even a minor issue pops up, I would urge people to look into themselves first. Oftentimes, the real culprit may sit closer than even the closest neighbour.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Feichter: Jean-Jacques Rousseau’s idea that morality is an innate, un-learned human attribute, seems reasonable to me. I guess we all know the feeling when we broke our own ethical standards. The regrets and ruminations that come up when having done so. Hence, even the punishment mechanism seems to be innate.
One might argue that the world is too bad and this shows that morality is not innate. I would disagree in a sense that we have the – at least perceivably – freedom of will to act in line with or against our own morals.
Typically, I would argue, the more painful the outcome of a decision would be for ourselves vs others, the higher the likelihood that we decide in a way to shift our pain to someone else, if the opportunity is given, and thereby we break our moral rules. Therefore, to be the most ethical being, ultimate self-sacrifice might be required.
Ethics in general seems like one of the highest virtues to me. At least it seems to be operating significantly above the animalistic and survival mode.
Jacobsen: What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Feichter: This answer requires a little debauchery.
Intuitively I thought that philosophy or rationality is the way to explain the world. But I came to the conclusion that there is some crux here. For example, it would be most rational for me if nothing had ever been and nothing would ever be. But the very fact that I am typing here contradicts this rationality. Also I noticed that many questions boil down to the big unanswered questions, like “What is the purpose of life?” and furthermore I want to remind that I stumbled across Godel’s incompleteness theorem. Essentially I came to the same conclusion like Socrates or Goethe characterized as Faust: “I know that I do not know anything”. This rational shock essentially leaves the important questions open and tells that they seem to be impossibly solved by thinking.
I forcefully conclude that if I do not know or cannot know some things from my limited perspective, a wiser entity must have set up this world and eventually knows everything better. A fallback from rationality to feeling mode so to speak. Your heartbeat surely does not depend on my rational insight thereof and still it seems to be working fine. This natural trust is calming and leads me to answer your question with: Theism. A more detailed elaboration on my view on Theism is already provided in my answer regarding theology.
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Feichter: To find truth, for I believe only the truth shall set us free.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: November 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/feichter-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Gernot Feichter on Background and Qualifications, Geniuses and Intelligence, Science and Theology, and Meaning in Life: Member, World Genius Directory (1) [Online].November 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/feichter-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, November 1). Conversation with Gernot Feichter on Background and Qualifications, Geniuses and Intelligence, Science and Theology, and Meaning in Life: Member, World Genius Directory (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/feichter-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Gernot Feichter on Background and Qualifications, Geniuses and Intelligence, Science and Theology, and Meaning in Life: Member, World Genius Directory (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, November. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/feichter-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Gernot Feichter on Background and Qualifications, Geniuses and Intelligence, Science and Theology, and Meaning in Life: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/feichter-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Gernot Feichter on Background and Qualifications, Geniuses and Intelligence, Science and Theology, and Meaning in Life: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (November 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/feichter-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Gernot Feichter on Background and Qualifications, Geniuses and Intelligence, Science and Theology, and Meaning in Life: Member, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/feichter-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Gernot Feichter on Background and Qualifications, Geniuses and Intelligence, Science and Theology, and Meaning in Life: Member, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/feichter-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Gernot Feichter on Background and Qualifications, Geniuses and Intelligence, Science and Theology, and Meaning in Life: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):November. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/feichter-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Gernot Feichter on Background and Qualifications, Geniuses and Intelligence, Science and Theology, and Meaning in Life: Member, World Genius Directory (1)[Internet]. (2020, November 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/feichter-1.
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© Scott Douglas Jacobsen, and In-Sight Publishing and In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 2012-2020. Unauthorized use and/or duplication of this material without express and written permission from this site’s author and/or owner is strictly prohibited. Excerpts and links may be used, provided that full and clear credit is given to Scott Douglas Jacobsen, and In-Sight Publishing and In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal with appropriate and specific direction to the original content. All interviewees co-copyright their interview material and may disseminate for their independent purposes.
Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: November 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,443
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
This is an interview with an anonymous Canadian member of the high-IQ communities. He discusses: “STEM jobs, chess grandmasters, professional eSports, and music composing”; “many high IQ individuals will do exceptionally poorly in tasks that correlate poorly with general intelligence”; the separation from the “international Chinese students”; and the “fear of failure” in a moment of life in which true challenge and competition of talents come forward.
Keywords: esports, fear, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry, IQ STEM.
Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on eSports, STEM, International Chinese Students, and Overcoming the Fear of Failure: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (4)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What examples come to mind in “STEM jobs, chess grandmasters, professional eSports, and music composing”?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member[1],[2]*: STEM refers to science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. You don’t need extreme ability, of course, but most of these jobs are filled with individuals who are solely above average in IQ and mostly above the 80th percentile. It is already well known that Nobel Prize winners, particularly in physics, have incredibly high IQs. The mathematical talent required to win a Fields Medal for mathematics is likely unmeasurable at the moment. The average IQ of Doctors, Lawyers, and Engineers lies in the vicinity of 120-125. Those who reach the top have higher IQs. The non-stem subject with the highest IQ would be philosophy. Top philosophers are some of the most intelligent in the world, alongside mathematicians and physicists.
For chess grandmasters, Garry Kasparov was measured with an IQ of 135 using the WAIS, with his working memory as one of the highest, which is expected of a game that requires the use of chunks to categorize chess positions. Judit Polgar, Magnus Carlsen, and Garry Kasparov were estimated or “reported” to have IQs of over 170, but I wish everyone knew that those figures were fake. It is very likely that among chess grandmasters, as the level of chess skill increases, there may be a slight negative correlation with IQ scores. I suppose this is due to other chess players finding more use in pursuing studies at the same time or focusing on studies and because chess at that level of play is not relying on information processing much but memory. Only hobby high-range tests have a ceiling higher than 160, and the name of the test and the standard deviation is not mentioned. Adult IQ scores are more reliable than childhood scores also. Bobby Fisher’s IQ score at the age of 15 was in the 180s, but if tested today on the WAIS, it should be between 150-160. Garry Kasparov was estimated 190 but tested at 135. Realistically his true intelligence might be a lot higher than what an IQ test may indicate since being the best at something does demonstrate extraordinary ability. It is also true that Kasparov was out of school for a long time, which may impact his score and the fact that he was tested at a fairly old age. The average IQ of chess grandmasters is likely to be around 140, with those who can balance being a chess grandmaster and a Ph.D. at a top university at 150. I have no doubt some chess grandmasters who have a Ph.D. could score near the ceiling of the WAIS, given that being good at chess + school is an excellent indication of well rounded and extreme general cognitive ability. This also goes for top musicians and gamers, who have high academic achievement (years of education, difficulty of major, rank of institution, grades).
In any competition, critical aspects of performance long term rely not only on intelligence (the ability for information processing or adaptation/solving problems quickly), but mental fortitude, mental power and stamina, and specific cognitive skills as well. These will help you reach the highest levels, and can all be somewhat trained, except for one’s ability to adapt.
Many people will play video games for a remarkably long time, and they won’t get much better. Video games are incredibly time-consuming and require some ridiculous amount of innate ability combined with dedication and resources to reach the top. Complex and competitive video games will present you with more information than you can process, at rates faster than you can handle, and give you the chance to make more decisions than you’re able to. They can keep throwing you into new situations that ask for you to utilize your pure intellectual power, as humans are pretty good at doing the same thing over and over again (music performance and chess positions) and horrible at doing something new all the time. Chess at the top level is not so g-loaded anymore because Magnus Carlsen memorizes over 10,000 games and does not need to problem solve anymore. Playing a complex piece of music at a top-level requires exceptional time commitment and talent, but it is much more repetitive than a competitive video game.
Video games could be the best pure measures of one’s intellectual capacity. They are much easier to administer than an IQ test and do not likely depend on learned academic skills such as mathematics or language. Also, the ceilings of standardized tests are a problem, whereas we know a mental task like reaction time is measured in absolute terms and captures the full variation much better. A battery of video games (or potentially only using one video game) can capture the full range of variation in intelligence among the general population if there are easy problems where anyone should solve and difficult problems where only the most intelligent should solve quickly. If this is so, we can also measure high-range intelligence much better than a professional IQ test.
People who are naturally good at video games are great at processing information, at least decent at reacting (but they get better very quickly), and can adapt very well (a skill that seems impossible to learn).
The true IQ of top professional gamers (making a living) likely is around 140, but it depends on the game and it’s g-loading. How they score on an IQ test may not tell the full story of their true intelligence. However, the most awe-inspiring individuals can juggle professional level video games alongside a highly g-loaded subject in university (STEM or Philosophy). You can treat it like an individual who is taking a STEM degree at one university and then having to juggle another STEM degree at another university at the same time. It is practically impossible to obtain a Ph.D. in a demanding field at a top 100 institution while simultaneously juggling national gaming performance. National level gamers who graduate with a Computer Science degree are already near 145 IQ (99.9th percentile). Obtaining a Ph.D. in a STEM field at a top 100 institution while being a nationally ranked player simultaneously implies an IQ above 160. I will provide sources later that support this claim.
Players often have to problem solve by themselves, which are exceptionally highly g-loaded and time-consuming. There is also no other activity other than playing video games that will be detrimental to your life success, unfortunately, unless you become a professional gamer or pursue something else in the eSports industry. Most video games are addictive and release dopamine. Even when you are trying to do other things in life, you are continually thinking about how you’re going to play better or beat your opponent in a video game or solve difficult problems in the game. Competitive music, chess, and eSports require the individual to think and practice virtually endlessly. This fact makes these activities the most demanding on the body and mind. This is especially true in eSports since you are presented with new situations to adapt to, whereas in chess, it relies on memory (learned positions). In music, it is not about adapting but more so practicing the same thing repeatedly. I can not begin to imagine the intelligence necessary (180+ perhaps) to balance top-level performance in both eSports and STEM at an elite university at the same time.
These articles from peer-reviewed journal articles support my views that national level gamers at university would score much higher on IQ tests than the average university student at the same school. The gap in scores would be higher as you go from lower g-loading (academic achievement < standardized test < IQ test) to a nearly pure measure of g (which are the problems in complex video games themselves):
1) Toma, M., Halpern, D. F., and Berger, D. E. (2014). Cognitive abilities of elite nationally ranked SCRABBLE and crossword experts. Appl. Cogn. Psychol. 28, 727-737. DOI : 10.1002/acp.3059.

– “Visuospatial and verbal abilities were measured in elite nationally ranked SCRABBLE and crossword experts and compared with college students matched on quantitative and verbal SAT scores, both exceeding 700 on average. SCRABBLE and crossword experts significantly outperformed college students on all cognitive measures.”
– ”Findings suggest that visuospatial and verbal working memory capacities of SCRABBLE and crossword experts are binded and occur at extraordinarily high levels.”
2) Can we reliably measure the general factor of intelligence (g) through commercial video games? Yes, we can! Intelligence, Volume 53, November-December 2015, Pages 1-7 M.Angeles Quiroga, Sergio Escorial, Francisco J.Roman, Daniel Morillo, Andrea Jarabo, Jesus Privado, Miguel Hernandez, Borja Gallego, Roberto Colom. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2015.08.004
– ”Video games and intelligence tests measure the same high-order latent factor.”

3) Intelligence and video games: Beyond “brain games.” Intelligence, Volume 75, July-August 2019, Pages 85-94 M.A.Quiroga, A.Diaz, F.J.Roman, J.Privado, R.Colom. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2019.05.001
-”Gaming performance was correlated with standard measures of fluid reasoning, visuospatial ability, and processing speed. Results revealed a correlation value of 0.79 between latent factors representing general intelligence (g) and video games general performance (gVG). This find leads to conclude that: (1) performance intelligence tests and video games are supported by shared cognitive processes and (2) brain-games are not the only genre able to produce performance measures comparable to intelligence standardized tests.”
4) The effects of video game playing on attention, memory, and executive control. Acta Psychologica, Volume 129, November 2008, Pages 387-398. Walter R.Boot, Arthur F.Kramer, Daniel J.Simons, Monica Fabiani, Gabriele Gratton. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.actpsy.2008.09.005
– “Expert gamers and non-gamers differed on a number of basic cognitive skills: experts could track objects moving at greater speeds, better detected changes to objects stored in visual short-term memory, switched more quickly from one task to another, and mentally rotated objects more efficiently.”
Jacobsen: What are some examples in which “many high IQ individuals will do exceptionally poorly in tasks that correlate poorly with general intelligence”?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Some tasks are better than others at estimating overall mental competence. You can take the g-loading as an index of the complexity of a mental task. Tying your shoes is a low g-loaded task because it is not very complicated, whereas learning calculus is a fairly high g-loaded task since you must problem-solve to acquire new skills. On the Wechsler tests, an example would be digit span forward versus digit span backward. Digit span forward is just a simple memory test, but to give back numbers in reverse order requires more cognitive power. Therefore it is more g-loaded. Einstein’s proficiency and talents would have shown in a challenging field, such as physics, but he probably wouldn’t be famous for driving a car magnificently (apparently, he couldn’t drive). Performing complicated tasks effectively indicates profound intellectual ability, whereas failing to perform essential functions at some level will make people think you’re disabled. Einstein perhaps can be an example of someone who can resemble both descriptions.
Jacobsen: What is the feeling in the separation from the “international Chinese students”?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: In the past, one of my biggest insecurities was my race. Diversity is important. Everyone is unique, and everyone should be proud of themselves. It should also be noted that the group “Asian” is extremely broad, filled with various ethnic groups with very different histories. Not every Asian is Chinese.
I never talked about this to anyone but was conscious about these things near the end of high school. I was quite insecure that I was part of this group labeled as “Asian.” The stereotypes associated with Asian Americans made me feel more conscious of my race since I guess I did not fit those stereotypes. Like an idiot, I fell for the bait and tried to become more “Asian.” It made me feel like I was defined by my race, which led me to forget about the unique traits I have that are divorced from the stereotypes of my racial/ethnic group.
I enjoy being myself, but I don’t want my racial identity or some other part of my social identity to define me. I remember too many times when I blamed any difficulty encountered on my race. On the flip side, would a non-Asian judge me as skillful in math just because of how I look? My race did not play the only role, but I am sure it played an important part. When I saw some non-Asian performing better than me on some non-academic thing, I blamed it on my race to justify it. It was just to my disadvantage, I thought.
Nowadays, I have somehow overcome these insecurities and have matured. I merely view myself as an outlier and outsider, no matter where I go, and have accepted my destiny. Most want to get good grades and go to good schools, but I am different. The Chinese culture never fit me and seemed to inhibit me from being creative and to be my true self and pursue my dreams, and I suffered a lot of depression due to this.
When I was younger, I did not consider ethnicity to be important, but as you grow up with all those stereotypes, they start to hit you. In my senior year of high school, I became more aware of my ethnic heritage and could not escape from it as time went on in my first year of university. I was always judged as being good at math just because of my appearance and quiet personality, and those things did make me uncomfortable a bit, given that I was an underachiever. In contrast, most Asians I knew were overachievers relative to their intelligence or IQ. I was already doing well enough, but I never expected myself to get the highest grades in a class. I never cared about school all that much, but I cared just a little for the first time. Those stereotypes might have helped me improve my work ethic, but later I decided to be who I really was.
I would rather not have anyone associate me with any stereotype. I feel thrilled to know that I am just a unique individual with his own special talents and interests.
Jacobsen: Why the “fear of failure” in a moment of life in which true challenge and competition of talents come forward?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: There comes a time where you realize you won’t balance everything you love to do in life. My parents expect a lot from me, but I probably wasn’t the perfect kid for them. They want me to graduate with a Computer Science degree from UBC and work a stable job for the rest of my life. However, even though my ability to thrive in these STEM programs is very high, going to the workforce as a programmer was not my passion. I just chose what my parents wanted me to do and later decided what my peers wanted to do. I was stuck finding out my passions but eventually found them. I performed at the top of my class in Calculus courses and had already taken too many math courses to quit now. My primary interests were in Philosophy and Psychology, but of course, those degrees by themselves are viewed as worthless. A compromise would be to double major in Philosophy and a STEM field such as Statistics to gain skills to gain a job and pursue my major interests at the same time. I later learned that Statistics should be helpful in a career in science, so I decided to take it a little more seriously. I don’t necessarily have to be the best statistician, but I need to be good enough to perform well enough. It is also impossible to be a professional gamer and pursue research simultaneously; as far as I know, this type of individual is unheard of in the gaming community. I do want to believe I’m something special and that I’d be the one who can do everything, but this type of arrogant mindset will likely be my downfall. I will probably have to pursue my education full time eventually and give up all my passions to become the best scientist I can be. I do not fear failure anymore, but this was a thing of the past. My insecurities alongside Chinese cultural attitudes made me feel like an underachiever. Like a fool, I fell for this trap and became obsessed with prestige. I never really thought going to UBC was anything prestigious, especially compared to the top 12 schools. Anything non-STEM related was also looked down on by many.
Computer Science at Caltech/MIT/Harvard/Stanford made a good match, and I believed my presence would have been better situated there. I also wanted to go to Harvard or Yale Law, Harvard Medicine, and more. My intelligence is not an issue, but it is difficult for me to deal with social interaction, which will make it difficult to succeed in many things in normal society. If I am truly going to live up to my potential, I must pursue the things I am most interested in doing. I realized later that this mindset was wrong and that I must follow what my inner drives tell me I should seek. I believe UBC is an excellent institution, and I’m proud to be here. If I apply to graduate school, I will apply to Canadian schools for sure, no matter what rank. I don’t have to go to the most elite schools to call myself successful. I don’t think my parents have ever said they were proud of me ever, and that didn’t make me too happy. I was definitely influenced by Chinese culture and their obsession with elite schools, jobs, grades, and virtually nothing else. If I fell for this trap, I could never become the scientist that I wanted to be. I also realized that there are people more talented than I am who may not have gotten the chance at all to attend UBC or any elite institution. I must be more humble but still be self-confident with my extraordinary abilities.
If you watched a part of the Ivy Dreams documentary I had linked, my attitude was similar to this one girl. Had I been brought up in her city and applied to the Ivy Leagues, I would have gotten rejected. Even with perfect SAT or ACT scores (she had a pretty high score), and good grades, I would have failed the interview miserably and would have written a terrible essay. In the documentary, her father was always pressuring her. In her interview, her attitude was arrogant, as she was talking about how her high school was too easy for her and how Upenn would challenge her, thinking she was way smarter than everyone else perhaps. She got rejected from the Ivy Leagues and then got accepted to Washington and Lee University. Still, after she finished reading her acceptance letter out loud with a sad attitude, she threw the paper to the ground, with no respect for it at all because it wasn’t an Ivy League school. She had been told her whole life that getting into an Ivy League school was her only goal, and since she had failed that, she felt worthless. I feel bad about her “failure,” but there is no doubt she deserved it.
I need to move past these artificial labels, find out who I am, and not obsess over trivial things. The labels of “genius,” “prodigy,” and “gifted” don’t mean anything to me anymore. Only through hard work, respect, goodness in my heart, and an appropriate attitude will I achieve anything of value. I have nothing to prove anymore, and I am genuinely proud of how far I have come and grown no matter where I end up in life.
I learned a lot recently and hoped to continue to grow as an individual throughout time. Here is what I have learned.
1) Life is hard sometimes. There are things in life that don’t work out. It is challenging to balance one’s passions and school at the same time. I don’t need validation from others regarding my achievements or intelligence. I don’t need validation from anyone else but myself, and I’m proud of how much I have grown. I must be resilient. No matter the obstacle that comes in my way, I can grow from the experience.
2) Being an outlier and outsider made my life a lot harder. I should be proud of who I am and continue to pursue my dreams, no matter what anyone says.
3) Having empathy is essential. I won’t like every person I meet, but learning how to emphasize with others is vital to me to gain long-lasting friends through mutual respect.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE).
[2] Individual Publication Date: November 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-4; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on eSports, STEM, International Chinese Students, and Overcoming the Fear of Failure: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (4) [Online].November 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-4.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, November 1). Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on eSports, STEM, International Chinese Students, and Overcoming the Fear of Failure: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (4). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-4.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on eSports, STEM, International Chinese Students, and Overcoming the Fear of Failure: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (4). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, November. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-4>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on eSports, STEM, International Chinese Students, and Overcoming the Fear of Failure: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (4).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-4.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on eSports, STEM, International Chinese Students, and Overcoming the Fear of Failure: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (4).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (November 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-4.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on eSports, STEM, International Chinese Students, and Overcoming the Fear of Failure: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (4)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-4>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on eSports, STEM, International Chinese Students, and Overcoming the Fear of Failure: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (4)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-4.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on eSports, STEM, International Chinese Students, and Overcoming the Fear of Failure: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (4).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):November. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-4>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on eSports, STEM, International Chinese Students, and Overcoming the Fear of Failure: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (4)[Internet]. (2020, November 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-4.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: November 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,035
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Kishan Harrysingh is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: some intellectual and spiritual interests; morality; an afterlife; ancient philosophies and religions; and hopes for some of the high-IQ communities.
Keywords: afterlife, ethics, high-IQ communities, intelligence, IQ, Kishan Harrysingh, morality, spirituality, supernatural, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Spirituality, Ethics, an Afterlife, and Pick-and-Choose Philosophy: Member, World Genius Directory (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What are some intellectual and spiritual interests now?
Kishan Harrysingh: Spiritual wise, I found almost everything that I can find in terms of the time frame given to me. Certain things will take more time to unfold. There are certain things only possible through time. You only find some things out with time. I have come to a level of enlightenment, where I believe a lot of scientists term it a simulation theory if it is correct. I have not studied this in great detail. I believe that I have seen enough of the world in which we live; I see enough, constantly. A lot is due to luck. I believe I have seen enough and have enough information to believe this isn’t ultimate reality. It is easier to say this now without worrying about ridicule because a number of physicists and other scientists have said this. We are a simulation of deeper reality. I believe this. It is quite apparent, to me, based on the findings.
Jacobsen: What ethic or morality has been developed from this morality or lifestyle for you?
Harrysingh: A large part of this, my base of ethics comes from Christianity and Buddhism. After that, I try to learn from anything in terms of religion. I try to learn from any religious text. There are a lot of things in Islam, which I find beautiful and in depth. However, there are more in Christianity and Buddhism, which appeal to me. My ethics are pretty simple. I believe in freedom and in non-harm, not doing anything malicious, not stealing, trying not to lie; unless, it is really, really for some greater purpose. Obviously, I try to have a more practical approach to ethics than the traditional one. I believe that religion isn’t completely negative. I believe there’s positives and negatives to it. It is up to us to use common sense and to investigate before believing certain religious ideals and so on. I was, at one point in time, a monk or an inspiring monk who was celibate and completely pious and against alcohol and all of that stuff. I am much more liberal nowadays, having seen the enlightenment, which I was chasing. I am more practical and a little more scientific in terms of understanding the human neurological system and psychology. It goes into the system of ethics. Any proper system of ethics would address those things without giving up too much on virtue. Based on what I understand about the human neurological system, and the human experience itself, I am hesitant to gravitate to any particular religion, though.
Jacobsen: Do you believe in an afterlife?
Harrysingh: Yes and no, I believe in the supernatural. I believe in a higher power, but I don’t necessarily believe in an eternal heaven or an eternal hell, necessarily. However, there may be a form of it, a slightly different form of it. I am not too concerned about it. The real challenge is finding out what we have to find out here. As in life, the afterlife, things will happen as they have to.
Jacobsen: If we take the ancient philosophies and religions, and if we take a context in the early 21st century in which more about the operations of the world, the functional aspects, relations, and objects of the world, are known, and if those philosophies and religions came from a time in which those things were complete mysteries, why don’t we simply create new philosophies and jettison those ancient philosophies and religions? Wherein any taking of the good parts of them, we simply take them, and reincorporate them without any of the baggage.
Harrysingh: Right, that’s, basically, what I was saying. You have to pick and choose and not be a slave, mentally, to some theology, some theory, that may have been misinterpreted or felt by a person or a number of people, or moderate by people, who put it there. It amazes me. When humans could listen to news or religious texts, the problem is the same. In that, they don’t consider context and the reliability of the source. To me, those are very, very obvious problems needing consideration. If people considered those two things, then you wouldn’t have this much violence taking over the U.S. and many other places. This is the practical. This is where spirituality is practical. Because you can look at the polarity of the world and see how divided everyone is. Everyone has good intentions and points. However, they both see each other as equal. One side is yelling, “Racist.” The other side is yelling, “Green, communist.” It is really sad. People cannot moderate their own emotions enough to look at the intentions behind the opponent and try to understand: We’re all human. Both sides are trying to move things along. I feel as though I am probably a more moderate version of both arguments or both sides of the argument. I am a more moderate person who understands both sides of the argument. It is really crazy what is going on. It goes to lack of life experience in some cases. Because of my spirituality, I have travelled to a lot of places. I have looked to the darker part of life to understand it. I put myself in danger, which most people try to avoid in life – to try to find the truth. I wish more people would do that rather than sitting in their comfortable little bubbles and trying to dictate to others what the reality is.
Jacobsen: What are your hopes for some of the high-IQ communities in the future?
Harrysingh: I don’t have hopes for them. They need leadership. Clearly, the societies are stagnant. Hopefully, I can provide some of that. It is one of the projects that I am working on, behind the scenes. There is a need for leadership at this point in time. There is a lot of talent out there, but not a lot of vision. I feel as though my own spiritual vision and enlightenment can help humanity on the whole, but that will take some time. I will need cooperation.
Jacobsen: Kishan, thank you so much for your time.
Harrysingh: Alright!
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: November 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-2; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Spirituality, Ethics, an Afterlife, and Pick-and-Choose Philosophy: Member, World Genius Directory (2) [Online].November 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, November 1). Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Spirituality, Ethics, an Afterlife, and Pick-and-Choose Philosophy: Member, World Genius Directory (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Spirituality, Ethics, an Afterlife, and Pick-and-Choose Philosophy: Member, World Genius Directory (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, November. 2020. < http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Spirituality, Ethics, an Afterlife, and Pick-and-Choose Philosophy: Member, World Genius Directory (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Spirituality, Ethics, an Afterlife, and Pick-and-Choose Philosophy: Member, World Genius Directory (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (November 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Spirituality, Ethics, an Afterlife, and Pick-and-Choose Philosophy: Member, World Genius Directory (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: < http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Spirituality, Ethics, an Afterlife, and Pick-and-Choose Philosophy: Member, World Genius Directory (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Spirituality, Ethics, an Afterlife, and Pick-and-Choose Philosophy: Member, World Genius Directory (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):November. 2020. Web. < http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-2>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Spirituality, Ethics, an Afterlife, and Pick-and-Choose Philosophy: Member, World Genius Directory (2)[Internet]. (2020, November 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,001
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anthony Sepulveda scored 174 (S.D.15) on Cosmic and is a member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: poor social standing; poor economic standing; depression; other health risks; narcissism; highly intelligent couch potatoes; novel situations in which contexts may be non-commutative; professions valuing intelligence in their employees; Mensa a practical option for reasonably intelligent people; AtlantIQ’s efforts important for pragmatic use of intelligent people; Jeffrey Ford; societies renew themselves; the “very poor condition” of the high-IQ community; identifying the disadvantaged; spatial problems; and a possible Holy Grail of the high-IQ world.
Keywords: Anthony Sepulveda (Brown), AtlantIQ, intellect, Jeffrey Ford, mental illness, motivation, narcissism, society, UNICEF.
Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Intellectual Function and Personality, Formal Mental Illness, Narcissism, Motivation, AtlantIQ-UNICEF, Jeffrey Ford, Societal Renewal, and a Holy Grail of the High-IQ Communities: Member, World Genius Directory (6)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: While not having the space for a book, necessarily, off the bat, let’s parse the average intelligence question more particularly in the lines delineated, the factors of poor social and economic standing, depression, and other health risks. If we’re looking at poor social standing, what happens in this case of average intellectual function on personality, where interpersonal and prestige stature are not great?
Anthony Sepulveda (Brown)[1],[2]*: The ability to solve a problem can instill a sense of confidence that will last throughout one’s life. It can make anything seem possible if you only make the correct sequence of moves.
Jacobsen: If we’re looking at poor economic standing, what happens in this case of average intellectual function on personality, where income and net wealth is affected?
Sepulveda (Brown): If you’re unable to resolve problems in your life, a general lack of motivation will prevent you from progressing far towards goals. If your goal is to improve your economic status, you need to truly understand your situation and know how to cultivate the tools and resources necessary to gain the funds and skills you need to do so.
Jacobsen: If we’re looking at depression, what happens in this case of average intellectual function on personality, where feeling bad for months or years at a time becomes a formal mental illness?
Sepulveda (Brown): Depression is the result of having a problem that you cannot resolve or accept enough to move on from. By gaining further insight into the nature of that problem you may be able to move forward enough to get through it. But this can be very hard. Increasingly so as time goes by. Human nature is essentially a number of habits we develop over time. And we often tend to pursue options that continue the trend of our lives. Obvious examples are those who grew up in an unhealthy household and grow up to consistently pursue similar relationships because they feel uncomfortable or unworthy around anything better. It kills me to know that no matter how obvious a solution will be, such people will always make the wrong choice.
Jacobsen: If we’re looking at other health risks, what happens in this case of average intellectual function on personality, where inability to self-care leads to generalized increased risk to negative health outcomes?
Sepulveda (Brown): I’m not sure how much of an impact general intelligence has on one’s health. While it can help motivate one’s desire to avoid certain hazards, I’ve encountered people of all levels that either prioritize or avoid exercise and proper nutrition. It seems more likely that one’s health is a tool used to achieve other goals such as boosting your ego, getting attention from others, pursuing careers such as modeling or athletics, feeling superior to those who live unhealthy lives (such as how vegans tend to chastise those who eat meat) or simply to live longer for personal reasons.
Jacobsen: How does narcissism connect to high intelligence and then lead to worse mental health outcomes?
Sepulveda (Brown): Receiving validation for a belief that you’re better than others (intellectually, in this case) will naturally reenforce or promote a narcissistic personality. If such beliefs are founded upon faulty data from a flawed or invalid IQ test, an individual will likely form an equally invalid opinion of themselves or inspire them to pursue paths they aren’t prepared for
Jacobsen: Even if we take the analysis of “actions, interactions and reactions of the objects (nonliving material) and subjects (living material) in an area,” and if we take individuals capable of a greater grasp of the aforementioned “in an area,” what of the factors of motivation to drive action on the analysis? We all know highly intelligent couch potatoes.
Sepulveda (Brown): This is a very interesting problem when analyzing the impact of personality on intelligence. Clearly, one’s patience, attention span, motivation, etc. will have an impact on their ability to solve a specific problem (especially on untimed tests). But there doesn’t seem to be any socially valid method with which to objectively determine and compensate for a person’s personality on an IQ test. Even if we were to set a time for a person to complete a valid test where the time allowed to work on it is based on their level of stress and/or other physiological inhibitions, there’d be no way to prevent people from unfairly compensating (via drugs or mental preparation (i.e. the Practice Effect)).
Jacobsen: What about novel situations in which contexts may be non-commutative?
Sepulveda (Brown): Such situations are very rare and almost any attempt to resolve a problem under such conditions will result in failure. Clear communication is always necessary, especially when two or more people are involved.
Jacobsen: To “professions [that] value intelligence in their employees,” what ones come to mind? Maybe, the uncommon ones rather than ones, typically, stipulated including pure mathematician or theoretical physicist.
Sepulveda (Brown): IT companies like Google use riddles and logic problems during their interview process to determine whether or not a candidate is truly capable of performing the tasks required of them.
Jacobsen: What makes Mensa a practical option for reasonably intelligent people?
Sepulveda (Brown): Mensa has a lot to offer. They consistently publish a variety of new articles for members to enjoy and offer group meetings and lectures that anyone can attend. For me personally, I’ve greatly enjoyed the conversations held at such meetings. I’ve met a few people that I could connect with to form lasting friendships with and attending the lectures inspires me to create presentations of my own.
Jacobsen: What makes AtlantIQ’s efforts important for pragmatic use of intelligent people? Any thoughts on their UNICEF project?
Sepulveda (Brown): I’m aware that they support UNICEF, but I don’t believe that they hold any particular place within the company itself. As for their efforts, I appreciate how often they emphasize the belief that changing the world for the better takes practical effort. To this end, they often hold contests that require members to find solutions to a variety of world problems (education, renewable energy, environmental stability, etc.). Which is a lot more effort towards a much more noble pursuit than almost every other IQ Society performs. I have the utmost respect for Beatrice Rescazzi and those that work with her.
Jacobsen: What makes a person like Jeffrey Ford tick and work to advance concrete actionables for utilization of – what seems like – a real trait in intelligence for positive benefit in reasonable timelines?
Sepulveda (Brown): I wish I knew. I tried contacting him directly to get some insight, but he wasn’t available. So I’m not aware of whether or not he’s had similar internal debates himself. If he has, he clearly believes that even a temporary effect is worth the effort.
Jacobsen: How could these societies renew themselves and not “waste each other’s time”?
Sepulveda (Brown): By requiring higher standards of proof of personal ability, they’ll create an aura of prestige that some may take more seriously. It would also help if they had a purpose beyond simply existing such as a unanimous desire to solve a specific problem.
Jacobsen: What are some of the other factors filtering into the “very poor condition” of the high-IQ community as it lie prostrate in worship of the aforementioned golden calf of false pursuits?
Sepulveda (Brown): The sad fact is that most people seem to join simply to feel good about themselves for joining. They never had any real drive to do anything practical with their gifts and the community as a whole stagnated into its current condition.
Jacobsen: How could tests such as Cattell’s help identify disadvantaged kids? For example, kids in poor countries such as India with innate abilities and talent while lacking resources, or in highly underserved rural communities or reserves of Native Americans in America or Aboriginals in Canada, or Aborigines in Australia or the Maori in New Zealand – the last largest remnant of European colonial history outside of the ongoing Israel-Palestine issue.
Sepulveda (Brown): I suppose it could be used to identify specific kids if there were an incentive like free schooling. But there are several problems – 1. Cattell’s test is clearly designed to be taken by American or European people. The pictures in it correlate with objects that have a specific design primarily found in those areas (such as the shape of a chimney or stove). So while it is the fairest test I’m aware of, it isn’t useful on a global scale.
2. Say we were to successfully identify gifted children in those areas. We’d have to send them miles away from their home, friends and, likely, family in order to bestow anything of value to them. Those areas simply don’t have the facilities necessary to cultivate their gifts to their highest potential and installing one there would take a lot of effort for very little reward. So, unless the relatively minor impact made on such communities as a whole is worth it (as seen in the efforts of non-profit organizations), the whole venture seems like a waste of time.
3. Say we were to successfully find gifted children in those areas and do everything we can to develop their abilities. What then? It seems to me that they’re very unlikely to go back to their original community. Between the choice of family and community vs opportunity, especially if they were extricated as children, one side is gonna be a lot more appealing. So, if the results of our effort is simply the removal of the best people from the poorest communities, all we’ve done is further impoverish those areas.
It’s a difficult problem. The only option I see that would provide the most benefit is to offer those communities the information necessary for them to benefit as a whole.
Jacobsen: Are spatial problems, in a manner of speaking, simply speaking highly general because of being base-level visual logic problems? No words, no numbers, no concepts, no knowledge, no high-level prior experience, immediate sensory perception with a huge hunk of brain tissue devoted to the visual system with the occipital lobe and then internal, non-verbal logical reasoning on the problems presented, as such, with minimal room for false interpretation to the simplest, i.e., correct, solution for the visual presentation to fit, logically.
Sepulveda (Brown): Yes. Which leads to an interesting topic to consider – If there are a finite number of valid problems that can be used to measure intelligence, that would imply that there’s a set limit to how intelligent anyone can be. That’s why I believe that no one is all that much more capable than anyone else. The biggest differences between any two people are their experiences and the motivation those experiences inspired.
Jacobsen: I have speculated in a similar manner in other interviews on a possible Holy Grail of the high-IQ world and, in more general terms, the professional psychometric community within the concept or possibility, if general intelligence and fluid intelligence are taken seriously, of a non-verbal 6-sigma test with the same funding, renormings, sample sizes, and psychological construct reliability and validity of the WAIS, the SB(IS), Cattell’s, or the RAPM. Any thoughts on this possibility? We have a long history of underusing the talent of girls and women, which has been improving for a century. Now, we see an increasing consistency of underused gifted and talented youth, and people, in general with some factors found in income inequality.
Sepulveda (Brown): Of course. I’ve spent a lot of time pondering the subject over the past couple years, mulling over various problems and weighing the pros and cons of their use. It led to the development of my own test X’s and O’s. And I’d like to make more in the future. But I don’t see much point in the effort if no one takes them. I’ve had my test up on James Dorsey’s website for over a year now and haven’t had any submissions yet. Which is a shame. I put a lot of effort into that project.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: October 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-6; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Intellectual Function and Personality, Formal Mental Illness, Narcissism, Motivation, AtlantIQ-UNICEF, Jeffrey Ford, Societal Renewal, and a Holy Grail of the High-IQ Communities: Member, World Genius Directory (6) [Online].October 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-6.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, October 22). Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Intellectual Function and Personality, Formal Mental Illness, Narcissism, Motivation, AtlantIQ-UNICEF, Jeffrey Ford, Societal Renewal, and a Holy Grail of the High-IQ Communities: Member, World Genius Directory (6). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-6.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Intellectual Function and Personality, Formal Mental Illness, Narcissism, Motivation, AtlantIQ-UNICEF, Jeffrey Ford, Societal Renewal, and a Holy Grail of the High-IQ Communities: Member, World Genius Directory (6). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, October. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-6>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Intellectual Function and Personality, Formal Mental Illness, Narcissism, Motivation, AtlantIQ-UNICEF, Jeffrey Ford, Societal Renewal, and a Holy Grail of the High-IQ Communities: Member, World Genius Directory (6).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-6.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Intellectual Function and Personality, Formal Mental Illness, Narcissism, Motivation, AtlantIQ-UNICEF, Jeffrey Ford, Societal Renewal, and a Holy Grail of the High-IQ Communities: Member, World Genius Directory (6).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (October 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-6.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Intellectual Function and Personality, Formal Mental Illness, Narcissism, Motivation, AtlantIQ-UNICEF, Jeffrey Ford, Societal Renewal, and a Holy Grail of the High-IQ Communities: Member, World Genius Directory (6)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-6>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Intellectual Function and Personality, Formal Mental Illness, Narcissism, Motivation, AtlantIQ-UNICEF, Jeffrey Ford, Societal Renewal, and a Holy Grail of the High-IQ Communities: Member, World Genius Directory (6)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-6.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Intellectual Function and Personality, Formal Mental Illness, Narcissism, Motivation, AtlantIQ-UNICEF, Jeffrey Ford, Societal Renewal, and a Holy Grail of the High-IQ Communities: Member, World Genius Directory (6).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):October. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-6>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on Intellectual Function and Personality, Formal Mental Illness, Narcissism, Motivation, AtlantIQ-UNICEF, Jeffrey Ford, Societal Renewal, and a Holy Grail of the High-IQ Communities: Member, World Genius Directory (6)[Internet]. (2020, October 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-6.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,320
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Tiberiu Sammak is a 24-year-old guy who currently lives in Bucharest. He spent most of his childhood and teenage years surfing the Internet (mostly searching things of interest) and playing video games. One of his hobbies used to be the construction of paper airplanes, spending a couple of years designing and trying to perfect different types of paper aircrafts. Academically, he never really excelled at anything. In fact, his high school record was rather poor. Some of his current interests include cosmology, medicine and cryonics. His highest score on an experimental high-range I.Q. test is 187 S.D. 15, achieved on Paul Cooijmans’ Reason – Revision 2008. He discusses: critically evaluate and reason through information; the other subject matters that have been “intriguing” or “meaningful” based on ‘whims’; cryonics; biological death; the general reaction to the discovery of life on other planets; the general risk factors for cancer formation coming out research in carcinogenesis; other micro interests; advice to other gifted and talented youth who lack motivation, study skills, discipline, and interest in studying; personal experience communicating, exchanging opinions, and sharing ideas; why cultures adhere to supernaturalistic beliefs; some of the favourite contemporary artists; a genius in the modern day; a “decent life”; and people who he considers smarter than himself.
Keywords: art, biological death, carcinogenesis, cryonics, high-IQ, IQ, Tiberiu Nicolas Sammak.
Conversation with Tiberiu Nicolas Sammak on Critical Evaluation, Whims, Cryonics, Biological Death, Carcinogenesis, Advice, and Contemporary Artists: High-IQ Community Member (4)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you’re picking up some information online based on a general interest in some obscure subject matter, and when you’re ‘investigating something in particular, what is the internal thought process there? How do you critically evaluate and reason through information, so as to determine if the information is valuable or not?
Tiberiu Nicolas Sammak[1],[2]*: I don’t really know how to describe the exact mechanisms behind my decision-making process. What I can confirm is that you have to be pretty well-informed on the subject that you are conducting research on to be able to accurately gauge the degree of correctness of your findings.
To me, deciding what information is correct and not inaccurate or deceitful is just common sense (after I know enough about something), roughly speaking.
Jacobsen: What are some of the other subject matters that have been “intriguing” or “meaningful” based on ‘whims’?
Sammak: In-depth lore about certain video games, articles about cellular senescence, philosophical publications (most of the ones I have read or skimmed through being located on the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy website), different stuff about particular movies (or cartoons) or snippets of information about computer-related topics would be some of the subject matters which come to my mind.
Jacobsen: How much of the information around the cryonics is pseudoscience/non-science proposed as scientific information or methodology?
Sammak: The very idea that a brain could regain its consciousness after legal death is what makes other people to be skeptical and reserved about the industry of cryonics. As far as I’m concerned, nothing unscientific pertaining to human cryopreservation is presented as a scientific fact.
Jacobsen: You noted, “I’d like to be more open-minded about it, considering it’s probably the only current possibility to ever be conscious again after the biological death, whereupon eternal oblivion awaits.” Do you consider biological death final?
Sammak: I do, since there is actually no evidence to suggest otherwise. It is very clear that the brain is the organ solely responsible for creating consciousness. However, the precise mechanisms as to how it manages to do that are yet to be fully discovered. An explicit and really straightforward example proving this (that consciousness is entirely generated by the brain) is represented by the way people who are affected by neurodegenerative diseases behave and function. Their consciousness is gradually stripped away by their condition, leaving them unable to perform even the most basic tasks – they become shadows of their former selves.
The cessation of all brain’s functions marks the dawn of an eternal, dreamless sleep. This is an irreversible process (brain death) which will eventually occur at some point in time. This process might be delayed with future technologies, but all organic matter is subject to decay nonetheless.
I cannot imagine a different yet plausible scenario after the biological death. I wish I were wrong though.
Jacobsen: What do you think would be the general reaction to the discovery of life on other planets?
Sammak: My guess is that the prevalent reaction would be surprise. The first encounter (not necessarily a physical one) with an extraterrestrial lifeform would cause wonder and stir great curiosity, to say the least.
However, the chances of a physical encounter with an alien being in the current timeframe are probably non-existent or incredibly low.
Jacobsen: Based on the research, what are the general risk factors for cancer formation coming out research in carcinogenesis?
Sammak: As far as I know, there are many risk factors which could potentially alter one’s genes and lead to the onset of cancer, such as hereditary (like Li-Fraumeni syndrome or von Hippel-Lindau syndrome) or environmental factors, lifestyle choices, obesity, or old age. Most cancers are sporadic but some of them could be prevented by simply not indulging in self-destructive behaviors, such as alcohol abuse (which could lead to cirrhosis of the liver and then evolve into a hepatocellular carcinoma) or smoking. It’s worth mentioning that most lung cancers are caused by tobacco use and they could actually be avoided. Some lung cancers are known to develop chiefly (with few exceptions) in smokers’ lungs, like small cell lung cancer, which is much more aggressive than non-small cell lung cancer. Unlike other cancers, lung cancer has a very poor prognosis. To my knowledge, only a few malignancies would have a dimmer outcome (for instance, mesothelioma, exocrine pancreatic cancers or grade IV brain tumors, such as GBM).
Another environmental risk factor that I’d like to bring into discussion is represented by the asbestos exposure. A notable case which emphasizes the dangers of inhaling asbestos fiber was known as the Wittenoom tragedy. Wittenoom (now a degazetted ghost town) was a town which was mainly known for its asbestos mine and for asbestos mining and milling activities. Due to long-term exposure to crocidolite (also known as blue asbestos) fibers, a lot of miners and even people who were mere inhabitants developed pleural or peritoneal mesothelioma, which is a very lethal type of cancer.
Jacobsen: Any other micro interests akin to paper airplanes?
Sammak: Not really.
Jacobsen: What is the advice to other gifted and talented youth who lack motivation, study skills, discipline, and interest in studying? This can be ideas or pragmatic stuff.
Sammak: I don’t have specific advice for such people. Things like motivation when it comes to achieving certain goals and self-discipline are internal and cannot be imposed on someone. Sure, one may instill motivation in someone by inspiring that someone through different means. In my view, this is probably one of the best ways to motivate a person.
Perhaps having a really great mentor who could offer guidance throughout youthhood would be beneficial for these people as well.
Jacobsen: What has been personal experience communicating, exchanging opinions, and sharing ideas with others who performed above a similar level on cognitive ability tests?
Sammak: I’ve had very few interactions with people from the high-range testing community. However, almost all of the interactions turned to be positive and enjoyable.
Jacobsen: Why do you think many in cultures adhere to supernaturalistic beliefs?
Sammak: I suppose that’s because many are not well-informed when it comes to a certain topic. Many like to speculate and form twisted views about different subject matters when they are ill-informed. It is way easier to take something for granted than to actually search about that something.
I think the belief in the supernatural is inextricably linked with the unknown.
Jacobsen: Who are some of the favourite contemporary artists for you? Why them?
Sammak: I will mention only musical artists, since I listen a lot to music and I do believe these guys do a great job. In no particular order, my favorite musical artists or musical bands are: Paul Oakenfold, Disturbed, The Anix, Klayton (with his three projects: Celldweller, Scandroid and Circle of Dust), Disarmonia Mundi, Poets of the Fall, Christian Älvestam and The Midnight. These are probably the people or bands whose music I enjoy the most.
I consider some of their songs truly beautiful and awe-inspiring.
Jacobsen: Who do you consider a genius in the modern day?
Sammak: I cannot answer this since I have not thoroughly and carefully studied the works of truly exceptional people and I’m not the guy who would label someone as a genius so readily. Moreover, I was never interested in the work of a particular person to actually devote enough time studying it.
Jacobsen: What would comprise a “decent life” to you? You seem concerned about degradation and death more than many other things.
Sammak: A life where I wouldn’t have to constantly worry about taxes or about not having enough money for basic needs, a life in which I would be satisfied with my efforts, a life where I would be happy.
Jacobsen: Who do you consider smarter than yourself?
Sammak: There are quite a few people whom I personally know and who are smarter than I, or at least seem to be smarter than I.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Tiberiu.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Highest score: Reason – Revision 2008, IQ 187 (S.D.15).
[2] Individual Publication Date: October 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-4; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Tiberiu Nicolas Sammak on Critical Evaluation, Whims, Cryonics, Biological Death, Carcinogenesis, Advice, and Contemporary Artists: High-IQ Community Member (4) [Online].October 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-4.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, October 22). Conversation with Tiberiu Nicolas Sammak on Critical Evaluation, Whims, Cryonics, Biological Death, Carcinogenesis, Advice, and Contemporary Artists: High-IQ Community Member (4). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-4.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Tiberiu Nicolas Sammak on Critical Evaluation, Whims, Cryonics, Biological Death, Carcinogenesis, Advice, and Contemporary Artists: High-IQ Community Member (4). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, October. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-4>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Tiberiu Nicolas Sammak on Critical Evaluation, Whims, Cryonics, Biological Death, Carcinogenesis, Advice, and Contemporary Artists: High-IQ Community Member (4).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-4.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Tiberiu Nicolas Sammak on Critical Evaluation, Whims, Cryonics, Biological Death, Carcinogenesis, Advice, and Contemporary Artists: High-IQ Community Member (4).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (October 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-4.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Tiberiu Nicolas Sammak on Critical Evaluation, Whims, Cryonics, Biological Death, Carcinogenesis, Advice, and Contemporary Artists: High-IQ Community Member (4)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-4>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Tiberiu Nicolas Sammak on Critical Evaluation, Whims, Cryonics, Biological Death, Carcinogenesis, Advice, and Contemporary Artists: High-IQ Community Member (4)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-4.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Tiberiu Nicolas Sammak on Critical Evaluation, Whims, Cryonics, Biological Death, Carcinogenesis, Advice, and Contemporary Artists: High-IQ Community Member (4).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):October. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-4>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Tiberiu Nicolas Sammak on Critical Evaluation, Whims, Cryonics, Biological Death, Carcinogenesis, Advice, and Contemporary Artists: High-IQ Community Member (4)[Internet]. (2020, October 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-4.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,622
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Kishan Harrysingh is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: some family background; academic achievement common in the family; the source of feeling depression, sadness; moments of what has been called “overexcitability”; the asynchrony; some odd jobs; some of the tests and the scores; and intelligence, and a life in the 20s spent on spiritual pursuits.
Keywords: depression, family, intelligence, IQ, Kishan Harrysingh, spirituality, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Family Background, Academic Achievement in the Family, Depression, Odd Jobs, and Spiritual Pursuits: Member, World Genius Directory (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What is some family background to provide a long-term context for some of your story?
Kishan Harrysingh[1],[2]*: I am from Trinidad and Tobago. My father is an engineer. My mother works in financial consulting. She has worked in that field for quite some time. Before, she was an accountant for many years. I have a lot of cousins in the medical field.
Jacobsen: Is this kind of academic achievement common in the family?
Harrysingh: Yes, absolutely, it is something that I try to deny to myself, because I was against academics for most of my life. I felt like it was something making people more arrogant than something adding depth and character. For that reason, I denied my own abilities and need for company. People who can understand me for many, many years. Until, I was in my 30s. So, only until a couple of years ago. This is only because of depression, anxiety, and other issues. I was able to start addressing and looking to the fact that I am not normal. Perhaps, I need to find more people like myself to get along with because I have always had really, really serious issues with the abilities of other people to communicate.
Jacobsen: When you’re feeling that way, what do you consider the source of feeling depression, sadness? Is it loneliness? Is it an innate factor? Or is it some existential question begging you?
Harrysingh: A combination of all of those. I have had those problems since I was a teenager. I never understood why my friends – no matter how much I explain it – never understand the concepts. It seemed natural to me. I was very much brainwashed into thinking everyone is exactly as intelligent as each other. It is only a matter of effort. There is some truth to that, obviously, because, I believe, neural pathways strengthen with practice. Also, there is a truth. People are born with certain gifts. For me, philosophical intellect and understanding existential questions, I am genetically gifted with it. I see this in my brother, when he was very young. The things that he would say, even adults had trouble understanding it. Maybe, it must be a genetic thing. It causes a lot of problems. My thinking is so different from the average person. My standards and ethics, and morality, and conduct, and my standards in personal life, are so high. Most people find it impossible to live up to them. It comes from the way in which I intellectualize, conceptualize, and understand the world.
Jacobsen: Can you recall any moments of what has been called “overexcitability” of the profoundly gifted in personal life? The profoundly gifted to experience emotions in the extreme.
Harrysingh: That’s definitely me. Also, I can detach because of many years of spiritual development, even completely. I definitely am a very emotional person. A lot of common problems with friends who are gifted and have had to find an outlet in things like power lifting, etc., where they can channel the emotions to physical things. Definitely, I have always been very, very emotional volatile person. It affected learning. If a teacher is not engaging enough and not interesting enough, or not presenting the work in a properly explained fashion, I would lose interest. So, that emotional side probably affected me more than the average person. I went from failing a class to the top of a class in a class 2 years older than me with very little effort. It had to do with emotion. I started to realize. It was after going through a few things. Maybe, that’s why there was the disparity. Emotion, for sure, have affected me more than the average person. I am trying to find the right explanation without dragging on for an hour.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Harrysingh: Yes, there is so much to explain in the story for me. This is the reason for the stammering to an extent.
Jacobsen: In some sense, this overexcitability, this feeling out of place, this being at the bottom of the class and then being at the top of the class, it matches well the idea of asynchronous development. The asynchrony being between one’s intellectual abilities and one’s emotional maturity. Do you note this is more extreme in terms of the asynchrony for boys than for girls, men than for women?
Harrysingh: It makes sense. I have been suggesting things like this for a long time. I made those inferences. However, I believe, if you look at the curve of IQ, you will find more boys very, very far to the right. There is a high proportion of males who have extreme and profound giftedness than females. Also, we have a higher number of males who are profoundly handicapped. Females tend to cluster in the middle. They tend to be more ‘cold’ or tend to be less emotional in the perspective of their giftedness. That makes sense to me.
Jacobsen: Also, in some ways, it would match the idea of far more women in English Literature, in writing, in journalism, when it comes to postsecondary education. Because those fields, in light of the fact of being in postsecondary education, will require a higher level of general intelligence. They also require a greater level of emotional maturity and insight into the human condition based on the combination of analytic ability and emotional maturity. What have been some odd jobs for you? What have been some more fruitful and fulfilling jobs for you?
Harrysingh: My professional life is a bit of a mess to be honest with you. I have had a very, very unique life with respect to spending early 20s searching for spiritual enlightenment. After that, the only thing I got into was personal entrepreneurial stuff. I am more of an outlier in that sense. I am not someone with a vast professional life. I am not someone tremendously active and accomplished in academics. I am always someone who has mostly denied my own abilities until relatively late in life to pursue higher level academics, and developing a perspective. For me, it goes back to the emotional side of things. I felt passionately, particularly about personal issues of family. It helped in finding my purpose of existing; I sacrificed a lot of younger years, where I would have been in academics, with a pursuit of enlightenment to find the truth behind it all.
Jacobsen: Let’s talk about tests, what are some of the tests and the scores?
Harrysingh: I am new to this. I scored 160 on this one. However, this one is based on a great crystallized intelligence tested. So, there is a lot of information needing research. I didn’t want to spend too much time and effort on it. I submitted it early. It has to be a fact taken into consideration with intelligence testing. Some take months on a test. Some will take a few hours. For me, I did this in the space of one or two days and spent three, four, or five hours in total. Even though, I started weeks before. I didn’t continue. I started like two and a half weeks before. Most of the stuff was done in a couple of days. I think the two tests done prior to this one were intelligence tests with the ceiling being really low. The ceilings were or 160 or 165, which will tend to lower the score. I scored about 150 on those. However, this is the first full scale test going to 200, which I have done. I expect that I will score a lot higher in the future. I need to get more time to be tested based on things not too foreign to me. That’ll more test more fluid intelligence than crystallized intelligence.
Jacobsen: Now, if we are talking about intelligence and a life in the 20s spent on spiritual pursuits, how are you defining the spiritual here? In other words, what is human nature? What is the nature of the world? What is the human nature in this spirituality that you have developed as a sensibility or a worldview over time?
Harrysingh: Excellent question, I would say, “I first started becoming spiritual when I was 15.” I was depressed by the ways in which my family related to each other. I felt, to some extent, unloved. To some extent, this drove me to search for a meaning to life. I looked around myself. I saw how people spent all of this time on developing ways to survive, and working. I could see almost nobody as truly happy or someone who was truly moral. I started pursuing the spiritual path. It started with curiosity first. I had to find out if there was a spiritual path. Should I believe or not if there is a God? Which religion should I choose? Which pathway seems to be the truest? I wouldn’t believe something simply because it was put in a book. I was too smart for that. I started questioning life, little by little, and testing personal theories and different ideas. That’s when I started having certain personal experiences leading me to greater depth of belief. It continued later into the teens and early 20s. After certain issues and relationships, things like that. Truly, the emotional side of life led the pursuits for me. To an extent, it is the thing with gifted people. Mostly with those on the side of philosophical side of thinking rather than the traditional side of academics. It is sad to me. Philosophy and ethics are left out of modern day academics because I think human society is decaying largely in part to the disappearance of this part of our intellect and our development.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: October 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Family Background, Academic Achievement in the Family, Depression, Odd Jobs, and Spiritual Pursuits: Member, World Genius Directory (1) [Online].October 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, October 22). Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Family Background, Academic Achievement in the Family, Depression, Odd Jobs, and Spiritual Pursuits: Member, World Genius Directory (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Family Background, Academic Achievement in the Family, Depression, Odd Jobs, and Spiritual Pursuits: Member, World Genius Directory (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, October. 2020. < http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Family Background, Academic Achievement in the Family, Depression, Odd Jobs, and Spiritual Pursuits: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Family Background, Academic Achievement in the Family, Depression, Odd Jobs, and Spiritual Pursuits: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (October 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Family Background, Academic Achievement in the Family, Depression, Odd Jobs, and Spiritual Pursuits: Member, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: < http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Family Background, Academic Achievement in the Family, Depression, Odd Jobs, and Spiritual Pursuits: Member, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Family Background, Academic Achievement in the Family, Depression, Odd Jobs, and Spiritual Pursuits: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):October. 2020. Web. < http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Kishan Harrysingh on Family Background, Academic Achievement in the Family, Depression, Odd Jobs, and Spiritual Pursuits: Member, World Genius Directory (1)[Internet]. (2020, October 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/harrysingh-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,976
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
This is an interview with an anonymous Canadian member of the high-IQ communities. He discusses: philosophy professor; tips for high school students; another possible academic pursuit; self-confidence and arrogance; self-selection of environments; and some of the environments.
Keywords: International Society for Philosophical Enquiry, University of British Columbia.
Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on Advice, Self-Selection, the Spotlight, STEM, and Hereditarianism Versus Environmentalism: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (3)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What makes this “philosophy professor” stand out to you?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member[1],[2]*: I went to office hours one time to discuss some research relevant to his research interests. My particular interest was related to race and IQ, and I wanted to hear what my professor had to say. The subjects he was interested in had a relation to my interests, so he likely could hold a conversation with me in person. He recommended various books, articles, and he had even given me a list of academics to take up. The major problem with this discussion about race and IQ is that certain aspects of the debate are always hidden and are difficult to find. Only after a thorough examination of evidence from all possible perspectives could one call themselves an objective scientist. My primary interest was to find rational responses to the hereditarian position. My philosophy professor was a good choice to talk with because he had stated that he was aware of the debate. At first, I was quite unsure where the evidence pointed, and so I knew I’d have to decide for myself. My philosophy professor played an essential role in helping me discover all possible perspectives of the debate. He gave me an excellent grade in the course, which increased my interest in philosophical discussions and topics.
My professor is merely skeptical about hereditarian claims, but my view is more clear after being exposed to everything. My conclusion is that the totality of the evidence indicates no genetic component to racial differences in average IQ and that they are more likely to be around 100% caused by environmental and cultural differences. This holds true both within and between nations. However, the topic is still being explored and won’t disappear anytime soon. Even though it is way too complicated, I am very confident in my conclusion that the differences in test scores are virtually entirely environmental in origin. Hereditarians will claim that universities have brainwashed me. Still, the truth is that I came to my views all by myself, honestly and rationally, free from any bias, after considering every perspective possible.
My professor got me to read Ned Block’s paper “How heritability misleads about race” and told me that was why he didn’t believe heritability would help the hereditarians all that much. This is a very insightful paper because over 99.9 percent of individuals who are aware of this debate seem to have trouble grasping the role heritability plays in this debate. The primary issue with the hereditarian position is that even the most well-known hereditarians have misapplied the concept of heritability. Heritability is an estimate of genetic variation among individuals within a population, either in the context of a formal experiment that controls for potentially confounding environmental effects or with the assumption that such effects are absent. In the case of IQ, we cannot do these formal experiments, so we must assume the environmental effects are absent. But, certain individuals used evidence of heritability for making inferences about whether or not there were genetic differences among populations. This is not an appropriate application of the statistic. Heritabilities could be very high within a population, yet the differences among populations could be entirely attributable to environmental effects. Conversely, heritabilities could be relatively low within the population in which they are estimated, yet the differences among populations could have a vital genetic component to them. Genetic variation within populations is simply a different measure from the genetic differences between populations, so all of those attempts to make inferences about genetic differences in IQ among populations were based on a faulty application of the concept of heritability.
One of the books my professor told me to read was Richard Nisbett’s book called “Intelligence and How to Get it.”
The best well-known intelligence researcher on the culture-only side would be the late James Flynn. He has produced a lot of great arguments and books that support the environmentalist position.
I emailed David Reznick, an expert in human biology, and he has no idea of who he even was but still critiqued Rushton’s views the best he could.
Joseph Graves, the first African American to receive a Ph.D. in evolutionary biology, has refuted Rushton’s application of the theory.
Chris Stringer, one of the foremost experts on human evolution, who also mentions Rushton in his books, says that he is wrong, although I have yet to read them all yet. He recommended I read “The Race Gallery” by Marek Kohn.
In conclusion, my philosophy professor gave me a sense of interest in subjects relating to philosophical inquiry. Thanks to him, I emailed various eminent professors to get more perspectives to understand complex issues.
Jacobsen: Any tips for high school students about pursuing postsecondary educations?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Know your requirements for every college application but don’t stress over them. Don’t be domineering; plan for your interviews, and appreciate the experience. Represent the person you genuinely are and express it candidly.
I am brought up in the Canadian school system, so there are no standardized tests. However, for Americans, I’d say start studying for the SAT or ACT during the summer of junior or the summer after sophomore year. Take lots of practice tests and buy the prep books, and practice on Khan Academy and with your friends if possible.
I think most people should consider their options before their senior year of high school. I think it will help you research your options thoroughly and figure out what fields should fit your aptitude and interests. STEM majors are more evident toward where you end up, but if your talents and passions genuinely lie in the liberal arts, I would encourage it. The amount of coursework in university is anticipated to be a lot more numerous than in high school, so I recommend developing a stable work ethic as early as possible. Many people struggle in the first year. Most students going into UBC are straight-A students from high school but quickly realize that university is no joke. Just do your best, follow your dreams, consider backup options, and you will have no regrets.
The critical thing is to prioritize school first if you want to get into your preferred program. A friend of mine in high school, who was quite a high achiever, told me he never looked at an admission requirement (GPA cutoff or average) aside from seeing the required courses needed because once you have done your best, you leave no regrets. If you know the requirements, you will continuously accentuate them.
If we include the entire population, the correlation between IQ and educational achievement and attainment is around .6 (IQ. explains 36% of the variance in grades and years of education), so I wouldn’t worry about whether you have the highest IQ in your high school or not. The correlation between achievement drops to around .5 in high school. The correlation declines further in university and then even more in graduate school due to sample restriction, leaving many more factors responsible for achievement differences. It is much more important to see success in life (economically) as more related to grit, conscientiousness with a mindset for growth than any natural ability.
Finally, I would like to share three important YouTube videos (one documentary, two films) that truly influenced me.
1) Ivy Dreams Documentary (You can find a shorter Youtube video called Strict Asian Parents & Stressed, Pressured Youth – College Process).
- Director: Yu-Teh Huang
- Writer: Joy Huang
2) Acceptance – Ivy League Admissions Movie (2013)
- Director: Ryan Matthew Chan
3) Legally Blonde (2001)
- Director: Robert Luketic
Jacobsen: As a “viable option… to pursue in the future,” if you had not found this joy in academia, what would be another possible academic pursuit for you?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: I honestly don’t see any other academic pursuit that could be appropriate for me other than academic research at the moment. I could work any job but it won’t be likely for me to reach the top given that those things are not interesting for me and not what my inner motivation tells me I should do. I hope I’ll be able to enjoy the workforce if I have to, but I should be settled down with my goals.
Jacobsen: What differentiates self-confidence and arrogance in this “higher IQ” domain? What is the importance of the latter as a character trait than the latter with the greater responsibility inherent in greater capacity to some degree?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Arrogance is related to narcissism. Entitlement, insecurities, and low self-esteem seem to be significant indicators of narcissism. It is hard to differentiate narcissists from overconfident individuals, but you realize that most narcissists need validation, but self-confident individuals do not need validation for their achievements.
Overall, having a remarkable ability may allow individuals to be more responsible for helping people, rather than viewing themselves as gods. Be aware of their shortcomings. Self-confidence will enable one to work with others and grow as a person through mutual understanding and empathy. On the other hand, arrogance is a god-complex sort of deal that won’t help anyone form meaningful connections.
Jacobsen: With this self-selection of environments, what are some of those self-selection mechanisms?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Robert Plomin’s book, “Blueprint: How DNA Makes Us Who We Are” gives a splendid answer. Most people find it hard to imagine how behavioral geneticists can begin to disentangle which behavioral characteristics are caused by genetics or the environment (nature or nurture). The most effective way to explore this question is by studying large longitudinal twin and adoption studies. Another way is to rely on the continuous decoding of the human genome.
Blueprint’s central thesis is what Plomin calls “the nature of nurture,” which posits that our genes push us to react to, cooperate with, and even develop our own environments to fit our genetic inclinations. Plomin states, ‘ Psychological environments are not “out there” imposed on us passively. They are “in here,” experienced by us as we actively perceive, interpret, select, modify, and even create environments correlated with our genetic propensities.”
Self-selection relies on the big five personality traits and intelligence. These traits are polygenic and influenced by environmental and genetic factors and the interaction between the two.
Aside from this, there are many critiques of heritability. The complex interaction of genes and the environment makes these questions endlessly tricky. The next book I plan on reading will be a book by James Tabery called “Beyond Verses: the struggle to understand the interaction of nature and nurture.”
Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, what are some of the environments?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Deciding what your college major will be, or where you will live will influence your future environments and your responses. If you enjoy reading, perhaps you will find a local library quite fitting for you. If you are quite competitive, maybe you will join a football team. Talent for a particular field will make you more likely to choose to participate, given that people tend to prefer to partake in activities that they perform well in.
In effect, the family effect on IQ seems to fade away in adulthood as the heritability of IQ increases. However, it is essential to note that if an individual is treated poorly in society and their environment somehow becomes more detrimental every year, their IQ scores would drop each year, even though their true phenotypic intelligence may have been a lot higher. Suppose the environment somehow is pushed to become more relevant to solving the problems we see on IQ tests each subsequent year. In that case, IQ test scores will subsequently increase every following year, which may overestimate that particular individual’s true intelligence.
An environment where it is difficult to choose your own environment would be when substantial environmental factors put you on hold. Amy Chua’s book Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother gives that sort of feeling.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE).
[2] Individual Publication Date: October 22, 2020: ; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-3.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation withAnonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on Advice, Self-Selection, the Spotlight, STEM, and Hereditarianism Versus Environmentalism: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (3) [Online].October 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-3.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, October 22). Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on Advice, Self-Selection, the Spotlight, STEM, and Hereditarianism Versus Environmentalism: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (3). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-3.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on Advice, Self-Selection, the Spotlight, STEM, and Hereditarianism Versus Environmentalism: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (3). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, October. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-3>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on Advice, Self-Selection, the Spotlight, STEM, and Hereditarianism Versus Environmentalism: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-3.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on Advice, Self-Selection, the Spotlight, STEM, and Hereditarianism Versus Environmentalism: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (October 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-3.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on Advice, Self-Selection, the Spotlight, STEM, and Hereditarianism Versus Environmentalism: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-3>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on Advice, Self-Selection, the Spotlight, STEM, and Hereditarianism Versus Environmentalism: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (3)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-3.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on Advice, Self-Selection, the Spotlight, STEM, and Hereditarianism Versus Environmentalism: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):October. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-3>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on Advice, Self-Selection, the Spotlight, STEM, and Hereditarianism Versus Environmentalism: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (3)[Internet]. (2020, October 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-3.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 4,471
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Hakan E. Kayioglu is a Member of the Glia Society. He discusses: growing up; stories helped provide a sense of an extended self; the family background; the experience with peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences and educational certifications; some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; some social and political views; the God concept or gods idea; science; me of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: genius, Hakan E. Kayioglu, intelligence, IQ, Istanbul, Turkey.
Conversation with Hakan E. Kayioglu on Family, Background, Philosophy, Genius, and Ethics: Member, Glia Society (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Hakan E. Kayioglu: No prominent family stories were told except that my paternal grandfather was a very intelligent and learned man who had been amongst the best 3 students in the university he attended in Istanbul early 20th century. I learned that my father also was the first ranking student in his local high school graduating with a record level cumulative GPA. He said he had graduated as the fourth best student at the university.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Kayioglu: Probably yes in youth but not much in my later years in adulthood. I think family stories might have put some burden, a certain sense of obligation on my subconscious to be successful and achieve better than most at least in school.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Kayioglu: My parents were born in a village close to a historical town, Söğüt, of Bilecik province in Turkey. I learned from my father that our paternal ancestors, at least seven generations back before my father, were all born and grown in the same village as well as my mother’s paternal ancestors. Söğüt is one of the first towns where the Ottomans started to evolve in the 13th century. It is about 300 km south east of Istanbul. I was born in 1964 in a city in the northern part of Turkey but most of my childhood, but most of my childhood, teenage and university years were spent in Ankara, the capital city of Turkey. We also had been to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus for a couple of years during my high school education. My native language is Turkish.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Kayioglu: Quite well. I had no problems interacting with my peers and schoolmates throughout my education and in social life. I was probably a bit selective of close friends based on common interests, mutual understanding and accord. For intellectual pursuits I was mostly alone and on my own, doing my reading in diverse fields, constantly acquiring encyclopedic knowledge. So, I had to confine myself to sharing and enjoying with my friends only social life normally as a 14 year old boy couldn’t find ways to discuss higher level topics for lack of intellectual peers. I usually had to satisfy that need by discussing with older people in school, in the circle of acquaintances of my family and sometimes with teachers.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Kayioglu: Intelligence tests give a reasonably accurate measure of one’s intellectual capacity in a comparative scale. To me, it is also a dopamine shower and a sort of ecstasy when I solve a difficult problem; a short term nervous breakdown when I fail to find the solution. The most attractive feature and benefit of especially a good high-range intelligence test is that it teaches one to think on one’s own thinking, and I believe it improves the “quality of thinking” by raising one’s awareness on one’s own logical fallacies, forcing to use one’s mind in extreme diligence, precision, to check every divergent possibility available to his mind. In the end, one either finds the solution or not, but the very process of deep, layered and detailed thinking is itself rewarding on its own even in case of failure simply because it then teaches at least how not to think.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Kayioglu: I was formally tested when I started elementary school a couple of months before age seven. In Turkey, especially in those years I.Q. testing was not popular. It is known but not popular even now. But, years later I learned that somehow the educational management system had started a pilot study to identify intellectually gifted children in the area I lived in (Ankara), and upon my teacher’s noticing some intellectual brilliance about me and contacting the local authority I had the chance to be tested by a professional psychologist. I remember being tested by an old lady, asking me questions and recording my answers, sometimes also tape-recording my voice. I don’t know which test it was but my father told the true story to me years later on an occasion of discussing intelligence at home when I was 16 years old. He said: “Son, they told me you were found to be intellectually as capable as a 12-year-old. They recommended you be skipped at least one grade in elementary school but I didn’t accept that for fear of bullying and developmental issues that may arise.”
My parents also told me that I showed some signs of superior intelligence very early as I was able to speak in full sentences when I just turned my first year. I also invented some novel words at age 2 for objects whose names I didn’t know but needed to refer to. Those words were obtained in accordance with the derivation rules of Turkish but were not in colloquial use. I still remember two of them: tutamak (door handle) derived from “tut”, meaning “to hold” in Turkish, and “bağlaç” (belt) from “bağla” meaning “to fasten”.
I learned the alphabet at 4 and could read and write the names of family members. This happened soon after I was exposed to toys consisting of the letters of the alphabet. I remember a dialogue between my parents, wherein my father expressed his fear that I seemed to learn how to read and write soon if he didn’t hide the letters and thus he wouldn’t want to let me be able to read before the normal school age for fear of problems with my peers.
As a peculiarity and maybe a sign of cognitive precocity, I also have vivid early memories before age 2 dating back to when I was 16 months old although mainstream psychology does not credit.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Kayioglu: Well, I think extreme reactions to geniuses may stem partly, or in combination, from socio-cultural conditioning, jealousy, ignorance, misinterpretation, a need for psychological compensation for one’s low self esteem.
Jacobsen: Who seems like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Kayioglu: The guy who invented the wheel, Euclid, Ibn Sina (Avicenna), Newton, Euler, Gödel, Albert Einstein, and Ramanujan.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Kayioglu: A profoundly intelligent person, if not already a genius, is no more than being profoundly intelligent. Genius, to me and most others, requires the presence and manifestation of extraordinary level of inventiveness and/or creativity in any field that involves it. Some typical personality traits are also said to co-exist with genius, but maybe the most common trait is conscientiousness. So, genius can be said to be a unique and optimal combination of high enough intelligence (not necessarily profoundly), conscientiousness and creativity. On the ground, it seems to me, lies ample curiosity and a very strong need to understand as a driving force.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Kayioglu: I graduated from Middle East Technical University’s Chemical Engineering Department with a B.Sc. degree.
Soon after graduation I enrolled in the graduate school for a M.Sc. with an intention to obtain a PhD afterwards and pursue an academic life. But I decided to drop out before completing the first semester simply because I felt offended and discouraged when I was told during the interview by the department head that I would not be employed as a research assistant although I had the highest score at the exam. Reasons put forward were not related to my ability or academic standing but to my prospective attitude. The department head, based on her past observations about me, was just not sure enough if I would remain stable and consistently motivated in a long-term and demanding academic job.
As I had never thought of myself as someone to work in a factory environment throughout my education I didn’t want to hunt for an engineering job in a factory because I felt as a research oriented type of fellow. I didn’t want to go to other universities around for a similar position and degree either. So, I remained idle and unemployed for a couple of months. Then I applied for a vacant position as a translator in a government office. After the assessment formalities I was employed as an official translator. Though successful and happy with my job and work environment, it was a radically different career path which I soon discovered would probably not continue for long.
In the meanwhile I was informed by a friend that some government agencies and companies were granting scholarship to eligible candidates in many fields for higher education abroad – mostly in Europe, the United States of America and Canada – to be employed in various positions, including research engineering, upon return to Turkey after earning M.Sc and/or Ph.D. That was it! I was interested in and applied for a research engineering position offered to chemical engineering graduates who were to obtain a M.Sc. degree in petroleum engineering in the U.S.A. First I had to pass a hard exam held once a year nationwide to be an eligible candidate. I took the exam and got the highest score among some 250 applicants that year.
I was accepted by several universities after meeting requirements for the GRE and TOEFL during my stay with a host family in California in 1988, and I chose the University of Tulsa in Oklahoma. I spent one year by taking both undergraduate and graduate courses in petroleum engineering at Tulsa. Next year I decided to change my school and enrolled in Colorado School of Mines. I moved to Golden, Colorado. But, towards the end of my first semester there, it was too disappointing to have realized, just by chance from reading an announcement on the board, that I would not be able to complete my M.Sc. on the subject I was asked to study by the company, because that subject was only possible to study within the scope of a postdoctoral fellowship offered by another university! Surprised and upset, I discussed the situation with the authorities in the sponsoring company to resolve the issue proposing them also some practical alternatives like changing the subject of thesis or going for a professional engineering degree instead of a M.Sc., but they didn’t accept and could not propose a reasonable solution to satisfy both parties.
Truly frustrated and discouraged, the only way out from the deadlock, it seemed to me then, was to leave everything behind and return to my country to start a new life. For I felt I lost my stamina and was cross with my luck. So I dropped the graduate school, returned home and did nothing for a year until I felt good enough and recovered from depression.
Having completed the mandatory military service, I found a job to work as a chemical engineer in the research department of a factory producing refractory bricks and mortars. Later, I also specialised in quality control and management systems and ensured the entire factory implemented the QM systems and got certified in accordance with international standards. I also became one of the IRCA (International Register of Certified Auditors) certified provisional auditors for quality systems. Aside from managing the quality system in the factory, I also established a small laboratory for on-site internal calibration of measuring devices in use in the factory; giving personally, or arranging necessary training required to all employees from top management to workers.
Later I was also involved as a manager in the installation and development of a new production unit in the factory to manufacture sliding-gate refractory plates that are sold and used in the iron and steel industry. I worked in the refractory company for 7 years.
In November 1998 I moved to Eskisehir, the city I have been living since then, in order to run my own business by starting up a small company to provide calibration and quality systems consulting services with a partner. Because of some financial adversities unfortunately we had to close the company in 2000.
Between March 2000 and January 2020 I worked in a glass tableware production factory that belongs to a large corporation in the glassware industry in the position of Quality Control Chief until 2014, and Quality Manager in 2014 – 2020. Over the years I specialised in quality control and management systems based on international standards such as quality management (ISO 9001), environmental management (ISO 14001), food safety (ISO 22000), information security management (ISO 27001), social compliance management systems (e.g BSCI), and also became partly involved in energy management (ISO 50001) and occupational health and safety management (ISO 45001). Apart from managerial tasks I was involved in, I also contributed to various technical works and researches on product design and development, test development and improvement, quality improvement, organizational development, digital transformation projects, development of automated systems for visual quality, 6 sigma projects etc.
I hold a couple dozen certificates in topics of quality management systems, auditing/assessing, quality improvement techniques as well as managerial skills.
As of January 2020, having fulfilled official requirements, I asked for my resignation and I am now a retired person with some free time and for the first time in 30 years, but only to turn my two decade hobby into a small business: teaching and working as a practicing astrologer on birth time rectification.
Currently I am enjoying free time while at the same time writing a book on the subject and doing some preparations for a different business life.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Kayioglu: I have been into books and articles on intelligence, creativity and genius since my teenage years as a topic of interest. I was keenly interested in the topic especially in my young age that I even had chosen to write on the topic of identification and education of the gifted and submitted a term paper of some 50 pages when I took the expository writing course in English in my freshman year at the university. It was only in order to call attention to the subject. Because I was aware by that time that many, if not most, of the intellectually gifted children and young people were lost and wasted due to many different reasons.
That being said, I believe this is the biggest waste among all sorts of wastes. Imagine for a moment that just because we wasted for this or that reason all geniuses such that humanity didn’t ever have Euclid, Archimedes, Al Khwarazmi, Avicenna, Galileo, Gauss, Euler, Newton, Einstein, Madam Curie, Schrödinger, Tesla, Shakespeare, Mozart, Bach, Da Vinci, Goethe and all other geniuses not mentioned herein; what could be our civilization like? We owe most of our civilization today and in the past to gifted and creative people, the big share always going to geniuses. Period.
The myths surrounding the geniuses usually stem from hearsay, movies, media which often emphasize and portray their eccentricity and savant-like peculiarities presented sometimes in an exaggerated way, so that most of the more important personality traits such as insatiable curiosity, truth seeking, dedication to work, diligence, perfectionism, very high and sustained concentration, determination, obsessiveness etc. are not given due consideration thus leading to a distorted view about genius. A good percentage of ordinary people think that genius comes hand in hand with madness. It is true some of them were also mad but most were certainly less than that. They were actually mad only about their work.
Another false idea, if not a myth, is to assume a genius is always a profoundly intelligent person. This is hardly true. A person having extreme intelligence but lacking genius traits like high level of creativity, diligence, persistence or conscientiousness is not supposed to create products at genius level. For instance, we have many such extremely intelligent individuals in today’s super high I.Q. societies who do not come up with compatibly creative output. There are examples from history also. John Von Neumann for instance had extreme cognitive power that was said by his contemporaries to be unmatched, yet he was not equally creative. By all intellectual standards, it appears, he was sure a genius as far as raw intelligence and cognitive ability is concerned, but not a true genius in terms of the real meaning of the term.
Therefore, it seems, one must have the optimal combination and amount of the required traits to be a genius. If the personality traits are accompanied by an extreme intelligence, that person may even be a candidate for a universal genius like some of the polymathic universal geniuses in history. But, I am of the opinion that in our time it is highly unlikely for the world to see a universal genius simply because too many fields of specialization, all having its diversity and depth and some being interrelated, are beyond any mortal’s capacity to encompass and absorb.
Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
Kayioglu: I have been living in a culture where people usually care for the poor, the old and the underprivileged in general. Compassion and charity are kept in high regard. As someone who was raised in such a culture, this puts me closer to political systems that value social welfare and humanitarian ideals.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Kayioglu: I believe that everything exists in God’s imagination only. By everything I literally mean everything, the universe we live in and also all other possible universes that we may not be aware of. God, in my understanding and belief system, refers to an undivided endlessness, wholeness and oneness beyond or apart from which nothing can exist on its own. In other words, the only ultimately aware Being who is the source of all other beings. Separateness and otherness is illusory. Each and every being is one of His infinite ways of manifestations as a kind of self projection, projection of a bundle of His names (divine qualities) out of infinitely many . In a sense, we are living in a matrix created in God’s imagination.
I came close to such an understanding in my high school years by reasoning and contemplation. Later, studying islamic sufism shaped my understanding of religion over the years since then. I was really impressed by and owe gratitude to especially two thinkers in this regard among many: Mohiuddin Ibni Arabi, a 13th century sufi mystic, philosopher, poet and scholar; and more recently Ahmed Hulusi, a contemporary sufi thinker.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Kayioglu: In my mature years now, I see that I have always been fascinated by the “scientific thinking” itself rather more than the particular topics of interest in sciences, be it hard sciences or soft sciences. Conceptualization, hypothesis formation, experimentation, testing the hypothesis against facts and findings, drawing conclusions, then a critique. It must be a beautiful adventure. While I was being educated as an engineer, one of the things that I found most interesting and instructive was to discover the importance of underlying assumptions one often needed to make in order to simplify and be able to solve a real engineering problem. This taught me how things differ and a theory turns out to be when real life problems are faced.
I understand that science and engineering, to varying degrees, seem to be an oversimplified model of the reality that we are exposed to. No less, but also no more. In the search for understanding the workings of the universe science absolutely is a strong and indispensable tool, but I doubt that it is the strongest tool when it comes to search for the ultimate truth, especially when we consider the metaphysical implications of the logical limit imposed by the Incompleteness Theorem that Kurt Gödel had introduced and proved.
I suspect that science will ever reach a level where human intellect will no longer need philosophy, metaphysics and religion unless of course some day humanity totally becomes devoid of soul and discards the need to search for meaning (maybe there is no!).
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Kayioglu: I was not informed of a score for the test I took when I started elementary school. I was only informed to be 5 years ahead of my peers. But a quick calculation would place my childhood ratio I.Q in a range of 165 – 175.
In the last year of junior high school I took a nationwide exam open only to eligible students satisfying grade requirements (about 15 percent of the student population). First phase of the exam was an intellectual aptitude test resembling an I.Q. test. I obtained the highest 34th score among some 17000 mates. This roughly corresponds to a rarity score of 1 in 3000 – 4000. Assuming normal distribution, this would have corresponded to an I.Q. above 150 sd15 if it were normed by rarity.
I also took two self administered timed I.Q. tests at 16 which were said to be normed to ceilings of 145 sd 15 and 200 sd16. On the former I hit the ceiling, and on the latter 169. I don’t remember the name of the first test, but the latter was, if I don’t misremember, a Turkish version of the CMMT.
In 2004 I took the Mensa’s entrance test RAPM, but because as a policy Mensa did not give a score, I received a formal letter reporting only that I was eligible to enter Mensa. In 2005 I took Cooijmans Intelligence Test – Form 2E with a score of 156 I.Q. sd15 based on the preliminary norming, and was admitted to the Glia Society based on a 149 I.Q. after the norming in December 2005. Later in 2006 I took Paul Cooijmans’ QMC#4 test with a score of 143 I.Q. sd15.
In both tests I feel I did not do my best because I didn’t put the maximum effort needed for such tests. Years passed without attempting a new test due to lack of time and energy. I have recently completed in my free time after retirement another test authored by Paul Cooijmans, but not sent it yet for scoring; currently reviewing my solutions to make sure I have done my best this time. Last three tests mentioned above are all untimed and unsupervised high-range I.Q. tests authored by Paul Cooijmans.
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Kayioglu: My scores on adult scale have varied between 143 to 149 which seem to be pretty consistent. I think the scores do not scatter much if one invests enough time and effort, does all the tests at adult age, the tests contain mixed item types covering a wider range of abilities rather than focusing on a single type ability such as consisting of verbal-only, or spatial-only; the tests have high enough ceiling, and of course if the test quality is high, that is, the tests are all psychometrically good.
That last condition may not be present in some tests. Most of the supervised tests do not have high enough ceilings for the exceptionally gifted. If a test has a ceiling of 130, another one 145, all Giga Society members with I.Q.’s of 190+ taking all three tests would have a score variation from 130 to 190! So, even if those three different tests are psychometrically perfect, and other conditions above met, one would still observe 60 I.Q. points a difference – apparently a very large discrepancy – between the lowest and the highest scores they obtained.
Obviously, if one or more of the conditions above are not met, then it is likely to get a wide scattering of scores differing at times 2 or more standard deviations for the same person. In my case for example, the condition of “investing enough time and effort” above was not fully met. If, for instance, I get a score well above this on the latest test I did, then it becomes quite clear that the spread is my fault, not the tests’. In the example above for the hypothetical Giga persons, it’s the ceiling that is guilty, not the testees.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Kayioglu: No particular philosophy as a whole, without implying myself not favoring moral principles. I only want to point out the highly subjective and complex nature of ethics. Given the observation that human beings, societies and life arising out of interactions between them are too complex and dynamic, it is overwhelmingly difficult to offer a universal philosophy in the first place. I find it superfluous to elaborate more on this as it must be obvious when one especially considers the immense complexity of nonlinear systems and myriad of factors related to culture, genetics, belief systems, religion, education, upbringing, ration, intelligence, geography, technology, individual differences, biases etc. to name a few.
I am not as erudite as to claim that I studied all major schools of ethical philosophies to offer a perspective, but simply because of the complex nature of the matter, I don’t think any particular ethical philosophy can address all or even most of all problems effectively. So, to me, the nature and depth of the problem defies human intellect at its core. Consequently, this requires taking into account non-rational and even irrational elements of human beings if one has to deal with ethics.
Therefore, on an individual level anyone (here “anyone” also includes the most advanced AI to imagine) is doomed to choose one’s way under uncertainty based on such factors said above.
On a personal level, I have moral and ethical principles that I have adopted in the culture I was raised and am trying to follow, but ethical philosophy is, and I think, will always remain to be an open question that needs to be re-addressed, reviewed and revised according to the dynamics of the age human beings live in.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: October 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kayioglu-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Hakan E. Kayioglu on Family, Background, Philosophy, Genius, and Ethics: Member, Glia Society (1) [Online].October 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kayioglu-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, October 15). Conversation with Hakan E. Kayioglu on Family, Background, Philosophy, Genius, and Ethics: Member, Glia Society (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kayioglu-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Hakan E. Kayioglu on Family, Background, Philosophy, Genius, and Ethics: Member, Glia Society (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, October. 2020. < http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kayioglu-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “ Conversation with Hakan E. Kayioglu on Family, Background, Philosophy, Genius, and Ethics: Member, Glia Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kayioglu-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “ Conversation with Hakan E. Kayioglu on Family, Background, Philosophy, Genius, and Ethics: Member, Glia Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (October 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kayioglu-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘ Conversation with Hakan E. Kayioglu on Family, Background, Philosophy, Genius, and Ethics: Member, Glia Society (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: < http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kayioglu-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘ Conversation with Hakan E. Kayioglu on Family, Background, Philosophy, Genius, and Ethics: Member, Glia Society (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kayioglu-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “ Conversation with Hakan E. Kayioglu on Family, Background, Philosophy, Genius, and Ethics: Member, Glia Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):October. 2020. Web. < http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kayioglu-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Hakan E. Kayioglu on Family, Background, Philosophy, Genius, and Ethics: Member, Glia Society (1)[Internet]. (2020, October 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kayioglu-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 6,164
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Bob Williams is a Member of the Triple Nine Society, Mensa International, and the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry. He discusses: growing up; a sense of an extended self; the family background; the experience with peers and schoolmates; some professional certifications; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; profound intelligence necessary for genius; job path; the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; thoughts on the God concept or gods idea; science; some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; worldview-encompassing philosophical system; meaning in life; intelligence in the abstract; and the mainstream and fringe theories of human intelligence on offer over time.
Keywords: Bob Williams, intelligence, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry, IQ, Triple Nine Society.
Conversation with Bob Williams on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Retired Nuclear Physicist (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Bob Williams: Family stories were about what my grandparents and parents experienced before I was born. I recall thinking that I would not see advances as dramatic as those experienced by my grandparents. They were born before electrification and before flight, yet lived to see the first humans land on the moon. It is difficult to compare my life to theirs, but I think there have been at least as many big changes as they experienced.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Williams: Stories of past lives and experiences help to put my life in perspective. There has been an enormous change in the standard of living that my family has experienced as a result of increasing amounts of education and the technology that has increased exponentially in the last two centuries.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Williams: I was born during WW2 and grew up in Virginia in the suburbs of a city that was third largest (back then) in our state. We had two groups: whites and blacks. {Today this seems strange. As a student I only met one child who was Jewish and that was in primary school. We had one Catholic church, but I only knew of one student in my school who was Catholic. There were no Hispanics, Arabs, Russians, or any of the ethnic groups that we only knew about from movies.} Everyone claimed to be Christian; that meant Protestant as Catholics were presumed to mostly live elsewhere. Crime rates were low and violent crimes almost nonexistent. There was a very strong hatred of the North that was residue from the war. My great-great-grandfathers fought for the South, as did the families of those I knew. Today, that feeling has vanished. Technology and multiple generations caused many changes, even in local demographics.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Williams: I began first grade when I was 5 (6 was the usual). I had to go to a private school for one year, then transfer to the public schools. Through every grade, I was the youngest and, fortunately, one of the tallest in every class. One curiosity I have is about what was known about me by the schools and teachers. I don’t recall what if any standardized tests were given back then. I was apparently tested by a psychologist before being allowed to start school at age 5.
Jacobsen: What have been some professional certifications, qualifications, and trainings earned by you?
Williams: I have two degrees in physics and one in business administration. I went into the nuclear reactor business and worked (core design, modeling, analysis, instrumentation, etc.) in the private sector, then in the nuclear weapons business (we were intending to build a tritium producing reactor, before the SALT treaty made it unnecessary). In that particular market, everything is either proprietary (private sector) or classified (weapons program). As a result, despite constant writing, nothing was seen “outside.” We had only advancement as a reward. I joined my private sector company as an associate physicist, but the company decided to make everyone an engineer, so my job titles went that way, from engineer, to senior engineer, to principal engineer, and to fellow engineer. During that time I also held a range of management titles. I also became the company representative (we had research labs and production plants scattered over the eastern part of the US) for joint research projects, which led me to a very enjoyable stint of high level meetings with people in the US, over much of Europe, and the Middle East.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Williams: Today we can measure intelligence reliably and with good predictive validity. The only purpose of these tests is to predict important life outcomes. If the tests don’t do that, they are worthless… but they do it quite well. More intelligence means that there is a higher probability that a desirable outcomes will happen and undesirable ones will not. More intelligent people are more likely to experience: higher income, increased longevity, greater general health, more life satisfaction, higher degree of body symmetry, higher educational achievement (grades, years completed, difficulty of major), higher SES (a product of intelligence, not a cause of it), faster speed of mental functions, better memory, faster learning rate, greater number of interests (held with competence), higher job performance, higher brain efficiency (relative to glucose uptake rate and speed of mental operations). And … they are less likely to be impacted by smoking, HIV infection, crime, incarceration, school dropout, teen pregnancy, illegitimate births, and unemployment.
At the national level, mean national IQ correlates positively with per capita GDP, economic growth, economic freedom, rule of law, democratization, adult literacy, savings, national test scores on science and math, enrollment in higher education, life expectancy, and negatively with HIV infection, employment, violent crime, poverty, % agricultural economy, corruption, fertility rate, polygyny, and religiosity.
This effect does not have a known ceiling. The Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth is a longitudinal study started by Julian Stanley and maintained today by Camilla Benbow and David Lubinski. Part of the study evaluated cohorts in the top 1% of intelligence. It showed that there are large differences between those in the bottom quarter of this range and those in the top quarter of the top 1%. These differences, favoring the more intelligent top quarter have been found in number of doctorates, number of STEM publications, number of patents awarded, income and literary publications.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Williams: Apparently it was well before I was aware of it. Even in primary school, I was selected for special treatment (a summer camp), a place on the varsity high school debate team when most participants were 4 years older, etc. By age 15, I began to win awards in science fairs
that led to half a dozen trips to various parts of the nation; two trips to the International Science and Engineering Fair (one was part of the World’s Fair in Seattle); lots of prizes, a summer job, and ultimately scholarships that paid for much of my college education. Upon entering my university I was given a chemistry test, which let to my being put in an advanced chemistry class that destroyed 2/3 of the students who were placed in it (I was up to it). Then there was a surprise trip by the Air Force (I was at Virginia Tech, which was compulsory military for two years, but I stayed in the Corps of Cadets for all four.) to send me to visit an airbase. It was years later that they told me I had made the second highest score on the Air Force Officer’s Qualification Test. The only thing I knew was that I did well on tests; it took years for me to connect various events to testing.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Williams: It is amusing to see how interested people are in genius (the real thing, not simply high IQ), yet bright people who are successful seem to be frequently looked down on. Genius is such a complex thing that it is extraordinarily rare. It happens when a constellation of necessary, but not sufficient traits exist at maximum expression. Hans Eysenck believed that both traits Neurosis and Psychoticism had to be elevated in true genius. Obviously if either trait is overly expressed, the individual would be hobbled and not achieve enormous feats of creative genius. When N and P are somewhat elevated they positively impact success, while likely creating an unpleasant personality. For example, P may cause a person to be seen as aggressive, cold, egocentric, impersonal, impulsive, antisocial, unempathic, tough-minded, and creative. Arthur Jensen believed that genius is the product of high ability x high productivity x high creativity.
ability = g = efficiency of information processing
productivity = endogenous cortical stimulation
creativity = trait psychoticism
The result of genius traits is not pretty, nor is it consistent in how it is displayed in geniuses. We have all read about the lives of various composers, artists, and scientists who were sufficiently “unusual” as to be unable to fit into normal life patterns. I think the common reactions that you mention are not restricted to genius. We see other people rejected when they have personality, or even physical, differences. Curiously, I see this same rejection and bullying among the Canada geese that live in my yard. Lame geese and even normal geese without a group are rejected and sometimes attacked.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Williams: As a scientist, I am going to surprise you. It is the great artists, because they give us things that only they can produce. The major scientific discoveries would all be made, even if the people who discovered them had not existed. Of the greats, I think Beethoven is the most important person in all of history. His work was so profound, moving, and complex that nothing compares. Of course, the other composers (Bach, Mozart and many others) have made contributions that are treasures. In the arts, Michelangelo and Picasso lead the list of greats.
I have never seen a credible list of the IQs of any real geniuses. My guess is that those in the arts may be reasonably bright, but that it is their creativity and skill that sets them apart. In science, things are different. The scientists are brighter and higher on traits Agreeableness and Consciousness.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Williams: Personality and creativity. I have already discussed how personality can make a genius seem unlikable and unreachable. The thing that I find to be interesting is that the biological factors that are associated with bright brains are sometimes opposite from those associated with creative brains. We know from prodigy studies that prodigies have IQs that range from 100 to about 147 (those actually studied). Prodigies are found in rule based disciplines: chess, art, music, and mathematics. The highest IQs are those of the math prodigies.
One of the significant factors in the creative brain is an inhibitory function that is weak. This condition lowers the filtering system that rejects stimuli that are not needed for the task at hand. We experience this selective attention when we are in a noisy environment. Our brains usually tune out the noise, for example people talking in a social gathering, and focus on the sensory input that is needed (understanding the person we are talking to). When this selective attention is low, the person may find unrelated stimuli arriving in his brain simultaneously. This promotes new combinations of ideas that would normally be prevented by the inhibitory function. But this is exactly opposite of what we need for intelligence. A mathematician, scientist, or engineer must stay on task, not be distracted, and remain focused. An example of lowered inhibition is seen with alcohol and other drugs. Imagine trying to take a calculus test while you are inebriated!
There is a similar consideration in brain networks. The brain with poor connectivity (long mean path lengths and fewer connections to hubs) causes a single thought process to follow an inefficient path around the brain before it reaches its intended destination. During this long route, it can access information that leads to creative combinations of previously unrelated ideas. Again, this is opposite of what one needs for complex problem solving. There are other examples, but the point here is that creativity taps a set of brain conditions that are often opposite of those that are required for deep scientific reasoning.
Jacobsen: Is profound intelligence necessary for genius?
Williams: “Yes,” for STEM fields, “no” for the arts. This is not to say that artistic geniuses are not bright, but rather that they do not require “profound intelligence” of the sort we see in great scientists.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and jobs held by you?
Williams: I spent a long time in the commercial nuclear reactor world. I began in reactor core physics, where I did modeling, burnup analysis, isotopic balances, and calculated a variety of physics parameters that are used by other physicists/engineers. A good part of that time involved work on fast breeder reactors, which was enjoyable because I could design and analyze multiple configurations so that the best one could be identified. It turned out to be a flat cylinder that got the name “pancake.” That design worked well because it allowed a lot of axial neutron leakage which fed the breeding of U-235 to Pu-239. Then I spent years doing transient analysis. This meant calculating the outcome of accidents, such as an ejected control rod, or a broken pipe. I recall doing the loss of feedwater accident for Three Mile Island-II. That was the accident initiated a sequence of events that destroyed the plant, but it was not because of a miscalculation, it was because we didn’t consider that an operator would turn off the emergency core cooling system! I ultimately became the only person who really understood the Reactor Protection System (RPS). It was satisfying to be the resident expert, but it made it difficult for me to move to something I wanted to do in a different division. I developed the methods for determining RPS setpoints and personally determined these for every large power reactor we built. I also did the work that resulted in the licensing of the first digital RPS approved by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
After training several people to do my job, I managed to move to the Contract Research Division, which was the most memorable and enjoyable part of my career. I mentioned some of that in an earlier question. All in all, I had great experiences doing things that most people could not even know about. My last 6 years (before retirement) were spent in the nuclear weapons program. I ended up working in Washington, DC for most of that time, as a Senior Technical Advisor to the Department of Energy. On one trip, I went to Mound, Ohio. The old part of this site was built very deep underground and designed to withstand a direct nuclear blast. It was amazing to see that something like that even existed. I was with a small group and we went on to Fernald. During the trip, someone wanted to visit a vault where weapons grade materials were kept. We went through 3 or 4 checkpoints where we had to go though various presentations of security clearances, etc. and then ended up in a round concrete room. The walls were decorated with machine gun ports and the guys behind them were actually holding the machine guns. I understood the old quip about “shooting fish in a barrel,” from the perspective of the fish. After they finally let us out of what amounted to a cage, we saw the vault, which was a major letdown, then we had to repeat each step in reverse. This sort of thing does not appeal to me at all. I was never happy working with security that involved man traps, armed guards, magnetometers, sniffers, x-ray, and endless security checks.
One thing that I enjoyed was teaching/lecturing. For whatever reason, I became the go to person for delivering lectures to our reactor customers, federal regulatory agencies (including one from Italy), and prospective customers. My lectures were always well received, but we were getting feedback that our Loss of Coolant lectures were not well received. This is an area that is focused on heat transfer and hydraulics. I had not worked in the area, but agreed to take over the lectures, if the engineers there would give me some time, explaining their modeling. I figured it out, designed, and delivered lectures that generated accolades from our customers.
Jacobsen: Why pursue this particular job path?
Williams: From childhood, I knew I wanted to go into science, but had no specific area of interest. By high school, I was more focused on chemistry and won awards on the studies I did with fuel cells that I designed and built, then with my studies of gas chromatography, using a system that I designed, built, then altered into various configurations. [These led to multiple awards, up to and including a first and second at the International Science and Engineering Fairs.] When I had to pick a major, I only considered the math load. I selected physics because I figured it was more math heavy than anything else. I was right at the academic level, but by the time I entered the nuclear business, we had mainframe computers and did most of our work using numerical methods (beating the answers out, by iteration). At that time reactors were the big deal for electric utilities and they paid off big for those who bought them. Ultimately, interveners found a way to stop the industry by endless (pointless) law suits that had no merit, but they delayed construction. At that time we were in the highest inflation period of modern times, so the utilities simply couldn’t pay the cost of their loans. It was a case of the interveners losing every battle, but winning the war.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Williams: Very bright people have the ability to understand and deal with multiple complex disciplines and to solve problems that are beyond even bright people. The spectrum of intelligence is defined by the structures and properties of the brain and can only be degraded by environmental encounters. That means we have not found a way to increase intelligence. The brain is built from our genetic instructions and is intelligent to the extent that its components are efficient and suffer few flaws. For example, we know that tissue integrity in both gray and white matter influences intelligence, as do the multiple factors that relate to mental speed (white matter tracts, hub connections, myelination, nerve conduction velocity, etc.). Ultimately, any brain feature that has a range of efficiency between individuals is going to favor the more efficient brain.
Studies of large populations and high end intelligence have shown that extreme intelligence is not associated with one or a few genes. It is simply part of the normal distribution of the huge number of factors that each contribute to phenotypic intelligence. We are at one of the big new directions of discovery in cognitive science: genetics. Within the past few years Genome Wide Association Studies (GWAS) have been done with large sample sizes. With over 1.2 million people represented, researchers have found more than 1,200 single nucleotide polymorphisms that are associated with intelligence. Despite this number, the effect size is only around 10%. Despite the small effect size, polygenic scores (PGS) have been derived from the GWAS and used to predict intelligence, even in embryos. These PGS have produced almost perfect (greater than correlations of 0.90) predictions of mean intelligence differences between breeding groups.
As the brain matures, the heritability of g (the sine qua non of intelligence) increases from around 40% in early childhood to about 85% in adults. This increase in the genotype is found in other traits as well. Despite the lower heritability found in young children, measurements done for ages 6 to 12 months are predictive of adult IQ and educational achievements. [Adult IQ, r = 0.59; Adult academic achievement, r = 0.53 (both corrected for unreliability)]
In the case of genius, as I previously noted, intelligence, creativity, and personality all have to be at optimum levels. This is an extremely rare event. Geniuses are typically born to families that have not shown outstanding performance in academics, invention, creativity, etc. Relatively few geniuses have children and many do not marry. Those who do have children rarely produce another genius (there are a few possible exceptions that we might find over the past several centuries).
Neither the general public nor those who teach at any level have even a modest understanding of intelligence. Russell Warne has been uncovering the details of just how little people understand. This year he did a survey of teachers asking them to rate a number of statements about intelligence on a Likert scale. Sadly, the results were not surprising. In recent years, he has surveyed US universities and found that most didn’t offer courses on intelligence and the psychology courses they taught used textbooks that primarily discussed discredited models (Gardner’s multiple intelligences) and often did not even mention g. He has written a book on the subject of myths about intelligence: In the Know: 35 Myths About Human Intelligence.
Myths
I will offer a few comments on just 3 of the many myths that are commonly accepted as facts.
Group differences
The single most damaging failure to understand is that there are large intelligence differences between breeding groups. These are differences in g and these are overwhelmingly genetic. The differences explain many of the conflicts we see between nations, within national groups, and between individuals. They explain differences in academic achievement, in job performance, in crime rates, wealth, income, health, and longevity. These differences have been known for 150 years and are forcefully denied by the proponents of political correctness. Sex differences also cause some people to get upset and deny the differences. The reality is that, around age 16 males show a higher mean intelligence and a higher variability. These combine to cause a rapidly increasing male to female ratio in the right tail. There is controversy over the difference at the mean, but my conclusion is that it has turned up in a large number of independent studies and seems to be real. The difference we see most often is around 4 points, but a few studies have shown up to 6 points.
Heritability
Those who want to argue that all humans are born with identical abilities deny the very high heritability of g. We can and have measured this heritability using diverse methods that show essentially the same result. Those methods are as follows:
The correlation between MZA twins–This correlation is used directly—not squared.
Falconer’s Formula–This method was developed by Falconer and MacKay. It computed heritability by doubling the difference between the correlations of same-sex MZT and
DZT twins. Numbers are typically r = 0.88 and 0.51 respectively. After correction for reliability the numbers become .98 and .56, respectively. The difference is 0.42, so the computed heritability is 0.84.
Richard Lynn also reported two studies of heritability in India, both using Falconer’s Formula. One study yielded heritability of 0.81 and the other 0.90. After correction for reliability, these become 0.90 and 1.00, respectively.
1.0 Minus the Environmental Component–Adoption studies (and others) have shown that the environmental component is about 15% in adults (see papers by Posthuma, Haier, Lynn, and various others). This method produces the typically cited level of heritability in adults of 85%.
Path Analysis–This technique was invented in the 1920s by Sewall Wright. The method incorporates multiple linear regression to apportion the contributions of each of the multiple causal variables to the variance in the single outcome. The assumed links between the causal variables can be tested and rejected if they do not fit the assumed causation. This is not a test of causation, but provides a means of determining magnitude and of establishing the existence or nonexistence of the assumed causality link. The method is general and has been used to study diseases, occupations, etc. One study that used this method was based on the Texas Adoption Project (300 adoptees). The analysis used the IQs of mother, father, their natural children, and their adopted children (after about 17 years of adoption). The heritability derived from this study was 0.78 before correction for reliability. With correction it is about 0.86.
Brain Imaging–Within the past decade papers have appeared with heritability estimates based on brain imaging of MZT and DZT twins. Imaging by Paul Thompson showed that the brain structure was heritable at the level predicted by other methods (listed above). PGS (previously mentioned) predict between group differences with strong correlation coefficients, as already discussed.
Environmental factors–People want to believe that intelligence is molded by parental interactions, socioeconomic status, school quality, etc. No, it’s genes. Stephen Pinker wrote a whole book on this topic (The Blank Slate).
Multiple intelligences–Howard Gardner invented a model that has strong appeal to the public, but which is not supported by data and does not withstand scrutiny. He showed that it is profitable to tell people what they want to hear, even if it is incorrect.
Flynn Effect and g
Another case of people wanting to accept pop-science explanations, without understanding the details. In this case, the public believes that intelligence is increasing and some believe that it is increasing in a way that will eliminate between group differences. IQ scores have been unstable for a long time and have mostly increased. The effect is different in different nations and is different as a function of time in most nations. We now have a reversal in a good many European nations. The problem is that these score changes have been shown to be artifacts and are not due to changes in g. For example, some of the instability is due to increased guessing (the Brand Effect) and some are due to the method of scoring the test, which has nothing to do with intelligence. Meanwhile there is considerable evidence that g is declining, at least in Western nations and China.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Williams: Over 20 years ago, I attended a presentation by Jay Glass, author of The Animal Within Us. He described exactly what I had concluded several years earlier, based on the same source material (the study of chimps). He concluded that humans are significantly like our nearest relatives in that we are genetically predisposed to organize in a dynamic hierarchical structure. Chimps and humans have this social structure (other animals as well). I think we are so drawn to this need to have a hierarchy that we don’t stop with the chief, king, or satrap, but go on to spontaneously invent gods with magical powers and elaborate stories of their adventures, including the creation of the universe and man.
In cognitive science, religion has been studied extensively. In every case (national and individual studies) the finding has been a negative correlation between measures of religiosity and intelligence. Some researchers have approached the topic by studying the degree of dogmatism in individual religious beliefs. The more dogmatic (fundamentalist) the beliefs, the lower the IQ. I can recall that, as a child, I noticed that the religious denominations in my immediate surroundings were clearly stratified by SES. I didn’t know why at that time, but today it is obviously a case of grouping by wealth and education, both of which are products of intelligence. Scientists typically show low percentages who hold religious beliefs.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Williams: It plays to my interest. There are things that are difficult or impossible to understand from a purely scientific perspective. Ethics is one example. Yet most of the things we see are subject to scientific study and understanding. This applies even to relatively etherial things, such as emotions.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Williams: Virtually all of the tests I have taken were quite a long time ago, before I had an interest in cognition. I previously mentioned two tests I took in college. I think there were various others during high school. About 30 years ago, I took two tests administered by Mensa. I have no idea what they were and what the scores were, but I used them to join Mensa, the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry, and the Triple Nine Society. The latter two admit at the 99.9th percentile. I have not had any interest in hobby tests and have written about my concerns for their validity on numerous occasions. My last effort will presumably appear in the journal Noesis (Mega Society – not a member) in February.
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Williams: I have no idea. When I have taken tests that had consequences, I managed to do well enough. I have not engaged in the “test taking as entertainment” practice.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you? What social philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you? What economic philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you? What political philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you? What worldview-encompassing philosophical system makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Williams: I will combine the philosophy questions into one reply. Let me start with an observation by geneticist Robert Plomin. He was being honored with the Distinguished Career Interview at an ISIR (International Society for Intelligence Research) conference. As he discussed his career path, he mentioned that he began his university studies in philosophy. At some point, he realized that things that can be measured are not part of philosophy and changed majors. This reflects my view of philosophy. My interests lie in science, so that is what I read. My formal education did not include any courses on philosophy, so I don’t think in terms of Kant or Nietzsche. The one philosopher who has attracted my interest is Bertrand Russell; I found his essays about religion interesting. My belief about ethics is that, as usual with this sort of topic, there are different perspectives that can be argued endlessly. The thing I am most bothered by is another party attempting to impose an ethical standard on me. We see a lot of this as ethics is blended with politics and I believe it has become a social cancer. This relates to my previous comments about how the huge between group gaps in intelligence have serious consequences.
My view of economics is that of von Mises and Friedman. I think we have valid predictive models of economic behaviors and that we should follow those in government and fiscal policies. I consider myself to be a libertarian at heart. Unfortunately, I don’t see a path from the present political divide in the US towards a more harmonious and prosperous society. We have reached the point mentioned by Alexander Fraser Tytler at which people will vote benefits for themselves from the treasury at the expense of destroying the economic stability of the nation. This is an outcome that returns to the intelligence issue and, in particular, the decline in intellectual capital due to the negative correlation between intelligence and fertility rate.
As a matter of understanding why I see so many things as ultimately being matters relating to cognitive abilities, I think Douglas Detterman explained the gravity of it well: “From very early, I was convinced that intelligence was the most important thing of all to understand, more important than the origin of the universe, more important than climate change, more important than curing cancer, more important than anything else. That is because human intelligence is our major adaptive function and only by optimizing it will we be able to save ourselves and other living things from ultimate destruction. It is as simple as that.” [Detterman is the founder of ISIR and of its journal, Intelligence.]
While I am being pessimistic, I will share my conclusion about group conflicts. Despite all of the idealistic things that some people believe and others would like to believe, world history should have taught us all that humans are truly aggressive and will repeatedly commit atrocities and engage in wars. I see no end to it and think it is a part of our species behavior. In my lifetime we have had a world war, countless smaller wars, multiple instances of genocide, and see that these are not restricted to small, backward nations, but are done on a grand scale by the same nations that have given us artistic beauty and scientific understanding.
Jacobsen: What provides meaning in life for you?
Williams: The things that are meaningful to me are those that many people hold dear: family, liberty, and nature. I have had the opportunity to live comfortably and to enjoy a great deal of autonomy. I have surrounded myself with a zoo-like population of animals, forest, and a beautiful place to enjoy nature. I have gotten to know my Canada geese as individuals and spent hours watching the other creatures that live here with me.
Jacobsen: To set the stage for the further conversation, what comprises intelligence in the abstract?
Williams: I think g is the best match to “abstract.” It is a latent trait, so it can only be known by statistical manipulation of measurements. We have Arthur Jensen to thank for convincing skeptical researchers that the essence of intelligence is this single factor that Charles Spearman discovered in 1904. Jensen had the persistence to meet every argument with data and analysis. Today intelligence research is g research.
Jacobsen: What are the mainstream and fringe theories of human intelligence on offer over time?
Williams: Today g theory is accepted as the best representation of intelligence, defining its structure via factor analysis and linking the biology of intelligence to the outward measurements that relate to it. As I have already noted Gardner’s model is very popular among laymen. It is the sort of thing that drives researchers crazy. Gardner did not derive his model from data, did not use an inductive process to construct it, and has been unable to show that it can be demonstrated as correct from real world measurements. The thing multiple intelligences implies is that if someone has a low academic ability, they have something else to make up for it in a zero sum sense. It sounds nice, but it is nonsense. The real world is not so fair. What we have is the positive manifold, which is the way Spearman described his discovery that people who test at a given level on one category of cognitive tasks will test at a similar level on virtually all cognitive tasks. Of course it’s unfair… it means that bright people are likely to excel at almost every kind of task, while dull people will find most such tasks difficult or impossible. It is from the positive manifold that Spearman was able to reveal the general factor g (Spearman’s g) using factor analysis, which he invented.
Robert Sternberg also invented a model that he calls Triarchic theory. It consists of dividing intelligence into practical, creative, and analytical. As is the case with multiple intelligence, it sounds good to people who want to believe that g is not the answer. Some years ago, Linda Gottfredson did a detailed dissection (published in Intelligence) of his “theory,” showing that it does not withstand scrutiny.
Aside from the models presented by Gardner and Sternberg, there have been various other proposed models that have been abandoned. For example, Joy Paul Gilford offered a “structure of intellect” model. This complex model was designed with 150 cells, each of which represented an ability (Gardner magnified). There are a variety of other models that have been assembled, but the only one that is significant is Cattell’s model which was basically an argument against g. Instead of one top factor, he used two: fluid intelligence and crystallized intelligence. We still use these as stratum II factors, but they are grouped with other broad abilities. The structural model that won out was the Cattell-Horn-Carroll model that serves as the basis for both the Wechsler tests and the Woodcock-Johnson. Carroll tweaked the model that Cattell and Horn were using, so that g was extracted as the single stratum III factor. This model is g theory in practice. [Despite its popularity and usefulness, the CHC model is somewhat arbitrary and is not the true structure of intelligence. That honor goes to the VPR model (verbal, perceptual, and rotational) developed by Wendy Johnson and Thomas Bouchard.]
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Retired Nuclear Physicist; Member, Triple Nine Society; Member, Mensa International; Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry.
[2] Individual Publication Date: October 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Bob Williams on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Retired Nuclear Physicist (1) [Online].October 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, October 15). Conversation with Bob Williams on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Retired Nuclear Physicist (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Bob Williams on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Retired Nuclear Physicist (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, October. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Bob Williams on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Retired Nuclear Physicist (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Bob Williams on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Retired Nuclear Physicist (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (October 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Bob Williams on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Retired Nuclear Physicist (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Bob Williams on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Retired Nuclear Physicist (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Bob Williams on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Retired Nuclear Physicist (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):October. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Bob Williams on Background, Genius, Theories of Intelligence, Psychometrics, and Worldview-Encompassing Philosophical System: Retired Nuclear Physicist (1)[Internet]. (2020, October 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/williams-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,933
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Mhedi Banafshei is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: high-IQ communities defined within the parameters; egalitarianism; common things; certain intellectual interests’ the high-IQ societies; the issues around the legitimacy of high-IQ societies; the issues around the “existence of differences of intelligence altogether”; some of the reasons of others for joining the high-IQ societies; examples of individuals who could only be identified as geniuses; inappropriate ways of putting forth one’s ideas; the important lesson on resilience in the midst of reality; a gifted person learn to trust, drop their guard, and trust their natural inclinations of interests to guide them in life; “answers that are weighted differently rather than just considered as either correct or incorrect”; the injustices of the past; high-IQ societies matching “most things in life”; the precarious balance between humility and confidence; some programs available for the “broadening of horizons” of the gifted and the talented; and speculation as to the reasons for “those with IQs above 150 or so… less likely to have careers of prestigious positions.”
Keywords: confidence, egalitarianism, high-IQ societies, geniuses, humility, injustices, interests, Mhedi Banafshei, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Mhedi Banafshei on Egalitarianism, Convergent Intellectual Interests, Trust, Confidence and Humility, and “Broadening of Horizons”: Member, World Genius Directory (3)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What makes high-IQ communities defined within the parameters of any “social factor which indicates something about human values or something meaningful in terms of experiences of life is a foundation of community”?
Mhedi Banafshei[1],[2]*: Naturally, many members of high IQ societies are quite adept at being critical thinkers. Those who aren’t inclined to superficially analyze things are likely to find friends among themselves, in the same way that those who’re simply led by popular opinion and the media attract each other. The theory that one can only meaningfully communicate with those within two standard deviations of one’s own IQ score does have some truth to it, even if it doesn’t explain everything.
Jacobsen: Why is egalitarianism a common trait within the high-IQ societies?
Banafshei: I suppose many of us are smart enough to know that the value of something achieved is not determined by the superficial characteristics of the achiever.
Jacobsen: What are some of the common things to help “identify people with whom they have more than one thing in common”?
Banafshei: I think it helps to try to listen better than you talk. People will reveal things well enough, and soon enough, when you do that.
Jacobsen: You stated, “Given that having a high IQ does generally relate to a somewhat higher likelihood of forming certain intellectual interests, such societies are giving many opportunities to not only find those with similar interests but also those who happen to be equally cognitively equipped in relation to exploration of the subjects of mutual investment.” I ask: What seem like such “certain intellectual interests” in which “societies are giving many opportunities”?
Banafshei: It hasn’t been difficult for me to find knowledgeable people within IQ societies to converse with about the subjects I’m interested in, which relate to some of the abstract topics of philosophy, mathematics and psychology. Many of us find IQ societies to be very handy in terms of just learning about almost any subject for purposes of curiosity and intellectual development even, without there necessarily being any desire of academic ambition. And for this reason, IQ societies can have an educational value for the intelligent that can’t be simply replaced by formal education. In terms of the aforementioned, I’ve found the IQ societies founded by Iakovos Koukas to be very good and believe they’ll pave the way of the high, and especially ultra-high, IQ sphere.
Jacobsen: Do the high-IQ societies seem more important to a country culture or less important in general now?
Banafshei: IQ societies are of limited relevance in most countries because options are very limited in terms of the existence of nationally based IQ societies. Currently, many countries only have Mensa chapters and little else of serious development. While higher IQs are not very common, enough people exist with IQs at or above the third standard deviation to make the creation of national societies of such viable. With the realization of this, importance would manifest.
Jacobsen: What seem like the issues around the legitimacy of high-IQ societies?
Banafshei: The main ones are the questions of intelligence itself. Since a considerable number of questions still surround intelligence, many who happen not to have any confirmation of possessing high intelligence are more comfortable assuming the concept of intelligence is merely an abstract philosophical one of little real-life consequence or that the point of diminishing returns is much lower than what is likely to be the case.
Jacobsen: What seem like the issues around the “existence of differences of intelligence altogether”?
Banafshei: For reasons of political correctness, the education systems of many countries avoid assessing the intelligence levels of children and young pupils unless there is very obviously a need for it in terms of special needs, or teachers subjectively make formal judgments of such. The result of this is that many schools do a very poor job at identifying high, and sometimes even very low, intelligence. As well as the more important educational consequences this can have for many people, this reinforces social denial of the realities of intelligence related to the dunning kruger effect. Inevitably, intelligent people are undermined.
Jacobsen: What were some of the reasons of others for joining the high-IQ societies known to you?
Banafshei: I know some who’ve joined with the hope they could find an appropriate partner, some who’ve wanted to learn from others, some who’ve wanted to find high IQ friends and even some who’ve simply been in the business of collecting as many certificates as possible.
Jacobsen: Any examples of individuals who could only be identified as geniuses, as such, after the fact?
Banafshei: Individual examples are not as important as the general principle that contributions often need expansion of context to be properly understood.
Jacobsen: What are inappropriate ways of putting forth one’s ideas? What are more appropriate manners in which to put someone’s ideas forward to others?
Banafshei: The universally inappropriate way would be to present ideas dishonestly. What’s appropriate depends on the idea itself and the range of people it can appeal to.
Jacobsen: If “failure is a part of life no matter what your IQ is,” what is the important lesson on resilience in the midst of this reality? What are some other similar realities for the gifted and talented to ingest as if the proverbial bitter pill?
Banafshei: That while high intelligence is a good asset, it’s rarely sufficient on it’s own. It should be understood that even those who’re regarded as highly intelligent, or even geniuses, are not perfectly intelligent. Intelligence is relative, and the smartest are not as far ahead as some suppose. It’s only logical that some highly intelligent people become complacent in life due to being able to sometimes get by more easily. But that is an often disastrous mistake. In the long run, the winners are always those who are well-rounded participants who possess many positive attributes of human success. The proverbial pill is that intelligent people would often find themselves much more easily overtaken by people of seemingly much lower cognitive ability than they may guess if they are led to believe intelligence is any guarantee of anything. It may seem like an obvious idea, but given the fact that the correlation between intelligence and success isn’t much higher, the need of it’s expression seems apparent.
Jacobsen: How can a gifted person learn to trust, drop their guard, and trust their natural inclinations of interests to guide them in life?
Banafshei: It’s important that they know themselves. Many of the ideas and expectations of prevailing cultures are not very accommodating of the essence of individuals who are statistical minorities of cognitive ability and/or personality. Life isn’t predicated on a monolithic one-size-fits-all philosophical framework of meaning. Those who’ll often find themselves at odds with the world, due to giftedness or anything else, would generally be better off if they try to forge their own senses of meaning and direction rather than continue to try to meet the, sometimes antithetical, standards of normalcy.
Jacobsen: Can you expand on the idea of “answers that are weighted differently rather than just considered as either correct or incorrect,” please?
Banafshei: While the abilities of cognitive tasks correlate with each other, there is still variation in terms of the subtest profiles of supervised IQ tests, and it’s also been found in relation to high range testing that some people of contextually moderate ability sometimes solve some of the hardest items, the hardest items which are also solved by many of the most intelligent test-takers. In relation to this, it’s clear that often there are a range of test answers which could be regarded as more or less statistically correct rather than categorically either. The application of this could lead to more precise estimations.
Jacobsen: What is done to ‘curb’ the injustices of the past? What is done to curb the curbing, so as to re-create the injustices of the past?
Banafshei: The range of both is too vast to be properly specified without writing a book, which I probably wouldn’t be qualified to write. An interesting context of this question is the circumstances in the US in terms of the current issues being dealt with relating to American minorities, and particularly African Americans, as the United States has been a focal point of matters of justice for a considerable period of time. Currently, it seems that radical opposing forces of politics are becoming more prominent there, and this may be in part because of the pervasiveness of the questionable modern notion that the things which are most representative of justice also happen to be the least offensive overall and the most easily presentable to society in association with causing minimal tension, this may have inhibited healthy debates in connection with growing problems and concerns of various kinds. Those who are seemingly the least biased in terms of radicalism will be crucial to the formation of things.
Jacobsen: You note most things in life, a lot, in relation to high-IQ societies. Does the consideration of high-IQ societies matching “most things in life” speak a lot about the nature of high-IQ and its associated societies built around attainers of said status?
Banafshei: Obviously, high IQ societies exist within contexts of general ones and like most, if not all, elements of subculture, they are highly influenced by the cultures of their surroundings. The dilemma of social groups which develop to function for niche purposes is that while they need to form norms of their own, they are nonetheless bound by the prominent cultural realities of their societal foundation. It’s difficult to say to what extent IQ societies tend to be structurally reflective of dominant systems, but participants thereof should certainly consider themselves relatively competent potential explorers of this matter.
Jacobsen: What is the precarious balance between humility and confidence?
Banafshei: A sense of responsibility is important. When one appreciates the importance of their actions in relation to others as well as themselves, it’s often easier to maintain balance of mindset.
Jacobsen: What are some programs available for the “broadening of horizons” of the gifted and the talented?
Banafshei: When in school, it’s important that the educational needs of gifted children are accommodated by the implementation of personalized pathways of learning. The simple fact is, good nurture of the most able children is of incalculable importance to the societal productivity of the future. If the question is thought of generally in relation to all of such people, then I’d say gifted/talented people should be focused on finding the right way of doing things for themselves rather than simply following the example of others of a similar kind.
Jacobsen: Any speculation as to the reasons for “those with IQs above 150 or so… less likely to have careers of prestigious positions”?
Banafshei: Firstly, it should be clear to us all that difficulties of this kind don’t apply to everyone with IQs above this level. Given that one’s general intelligence doesn’t function independently of other human factors, whether or not problems of this kind will exist for a high IQ individual, and what the mechanisms of their existence/non-existence would be, depends on a host of personal, cultural, socioeconomic, and circumstantial factors, of course. In my own case, while I’m not sure such a notion applies in relation to my non-participation in the elite professions, I can say that some of the difficulties I’ve had in my formative years have related to my perceptions of interpreting things differently and apparently being more naturally evaluative/critical of the social activities, ideologies and fact related claims of the social systems of my engagement.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: October 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-3; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Mhedi Banafshei on Egalitarianism, Convergent Intellectual Interests, Trust, Confidence and Humility, and “Broadening of Horizons”: Member, World Genius Directory (3) [Online].October 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-3.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, October 15). Conversation with Mhedi Banafshei on Egalitarianism, Convergent Intellectual Interests, Trust, Confidence and Humility, and “Broadening of Horizons”: Member, World Genius Directory (3). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-3.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Mhedi Banafshei on Egalitarianism, Convergent Intellectual Interests, Trust, Confidence and Humility, and “Broadening of Horizons”: Member, World Genius Directory (3). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, October. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-3>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Mhedi Banafshei on Egalitarianism, Convergent Intellectual Interests, Trust, Confidence and Humility, and “Broadening of Horizons”: Member, World Genius Directory (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-3.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Mhedi Banafshei on Egalitarianism, Convergent Intellectual Interests, Trust, Confidence and Humility, and “Broadening of Horizons”: Member, World Genius Directory (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (October 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-3.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Mhedi Banafshei on Egalitarianism, Convergent Intellectual Interests, Trust, Confidence and Humility, and “Broadening of Horizons”: Member, World Genius Directory (3)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-3>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Mhedi Banafshei on Egalitarianism, Convergent Intellectual Interests, Trust, Confidence and Humility, and “Broadening of Horizons”: Member, World Genius Directory (3)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-3.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Mhedi Banafshei on Egalitarianism, Convergent Intellectual Interests, Trust, Confidence and Humility, and “Broadening of Horizons”: Member, World Genius Directory (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):October. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-3>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Mhedi Banafshei on Egalitarianism, Convergent Intellectual Interests, Trust, Confidence and Humility, and “Broadening of Horizons”: Member, World Genius Directory (3)[Internet]. (2020, October 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-3.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,061
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Mohammed Karim Benazzi Jabri is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: growing up; an extended self; family background; peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences and educational certifications; some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted; some social and political views; thoughts on the God concept or gods idea; science; me of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: France, Islam, Mohammed Karim Benazzi Jabri, Morocco, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Mohammed Karim Benazzi Jabri on Family, Intelligence, Genius, Islam, Faith, and Intelligence Test Scores: Member, World Genius Directory (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Mohammed Karim Benazzi Jabri[1],[2]*: Perhaps the most interesting was that of my grandfather on my mother’s side, he was a revolutionary who fought for years against the French resistance against the occupation of Morocco by France in 1912, he always told us with great pride of his adventures and his tricks and how close he was to death on several occasions with the desire to help force the French out of Moroccan territory.
My paternal grandmother was a healer. She used to cure patients with hepatitis and other ailments with medicinal herbs and other natural remedies, since at that time doctors were scarce and everyone with an illness went to healers and curanderos. But perhaps the one that left a very deep impression on me was the unpleasant experience of my mother’s illness as a child. For several years she had repeated psychotic outbreaks with hallucinations, she also had phobias of an obsessive nature and was under psychiatric treatment. It was a very hard time for me and my siblings.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Jabri: There was a positive and a negative part.
The positive part was from my father who is also a doctor by profession. He taught me several values that have served me throughout my life such as generosity, humility, the importance of family and that you have to work very hard to achieve your goals. He loved his country and his work. As soon as he got his medical degree in France he went back to practice medicine in Morocco and to take care of my grandparents who were already very old and with many health problems. He is a very beloved doctor in my city, he was nicknamed the doctor of the poor because he treated them without charging them for the consultation and without receiving anything in return, after treating them he even gave them money to buy their medicines. He was honest in his work and very modest. He has always wanted me to be a doctor just like him even though I had other preferences for other careers at first.
The negative part was living through these difficult times of my mother’s illness that contributed negatively to me. As a result, I too ended up developing anxious depressions and some types of phobias.
Jacobsen: What was family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Jabri: My great-grandparents are of Berber origin were born in Feguig a city that is in the east of Morocco, near the mountains of the atlas on the border with allergy surrounded by a wild desert and mountains, a very hot city, then my grandparents had to move
Looking for a job and a better future in the city of Oujda, it is the city where I was born and grew up until I took the road to Spain to continue my studies. We are a large family of five siblings. In Morocco, in marriages it is common to have enough children thinking that when they are older they will take care of their parents and help support the family. There it is socially frowned upon to admit the parents when they are older in the residences for the elderly, it is part of the Moroccan culture.
The religion in Morocco is Muslim, the official language is Arabic and there are several dialects depending on each region, the second official language is French. My city is small and conservative, but each time the new generation is having a more open and more liberal mentality, although the traditions and customs of our ancestors are maintained but now with a certain touch of modernity. My parents are very religious, I would say they are fanatics, they pray five times a day, they do Ramadan and have made a pilgrimage to Mecca. I grew up in that religious environment, hence my Muslim religion, I consider myself an open person with a different view of the world unlike most of my countrymen, grows up with a certain degree of ostracism towards some customs and habits that are part of Moroccan culture and that remain to this day, although I retain my religious beliefs.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Jabri: In both primary and secondary school I had a pretty bad time, there the teachers’ method of teaching consists of you learning things by force, if you don’t do your homework they punish you, they mistreat you physically and psychologically by hitting you, insulting you. I was afraid to go to school, which caused me anxiety and a lot of nervousness. As for the relationship with my classmates, it was not bad at all. There were good moments when we laughed and had a lot of fun, and other bad moments when we were upset and fought with some of our classmates. Once at school, things improved a lot and I stopped suffering so much from the mistreatment and aggressive behaviour of the teachers. I always had very few friends, at most two or three, I was very shy and a little unsociable. I enjoyed spending hours talking with my father about medical and other scientific topics.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Jabri: The purpose of the intelligence tests for me. If we talk about the high-rank tests, in part, they serve to entertain me, I have fun spending sometimes hours trying to solve some test, looking for more and more creative solutions for each item, since they are very complex tests that require much imagination and many hours to get to solve the items of a given test. And in part, they are also used as a psychometric measure of the g with variable reliability depending on the type of test and the author who designed the test. It is a different way of estimating the ci compared to classic tests such as the WAIS and other time-limited tests, which are rather static, simple tests and depend largely on how fast you are and the processing speed you possess. Psychological tests are sometimes less reliable for people who are susceptible to problems of anxiety, stress or if you suffer from a psychological disorder or simply if you take them without having slept well the previous night or any other circumstance that may negatively influence the final result of the test.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Jabri: As a child, I did not take any psychological tests to determine my IQ, but I entered school at an early age and finished the courses with good grades. In school, I got the first grades in subjects like math, physics or chemistry and not so good in other subjects that were less interesting to me, where I was bored and wanted to finish the class as soon as possible. A little over two years ago, thanks to a friend who knows him through Quora and who had told me about the high ranking tests, I tried to take several tests in a small period of time and they didn’t turn out badly, I got quite high scores in most cases. But throughout my life I have always had a mistrust of myself in my abilities, I suffered from the impostor syndrome.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Jabri: For me, the most outstanding in the Arab world is Ibn Sina. He was a philosopher, scientist, doctor, mathematician. I contribute many works on geometry, astronomy, logic and psychology and natural sciences.
Albert Einstein is famous for his special and general theories of relativity.
Besides, I have a special admiration for Nicolas Tesla. Engineer, physicist, inventor, he laid the foundations of the second industrial revolution, although it did not have a happy ending because of his mental disorders, he died alone and poor despite his contributions to science.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Jabri: Albert Einstein, said ‘that we are all geniuses. but if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live a life believing it is stupid)’
Geniuses are not only intelligent, but they are also very creative, they are usually great inventors, painters, musicians, philosophers. A genius is partly capable of understanding reality, which leads to generating transformations that benefit everyone. We attribute the great scientific advances we have achieved today, thanks to their great ideas, theories, thoughts and inventions that revolutionized an entire world
A deeply intelligent person, he has cognitive skills, much understanding to solve difficult and complex problems with divergent thinking. High ability to adapt to the circumstances and diverse situations that life presents.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Jabri: In Morocco, I started to study biology, then I had to continue my studies in Spain where I studied a year of chemical engineering and changed my career to medicine where I graduated as a doctor. Afterwards, I worked as a doctor for a while in an outpatient clinic in Valencia, currently, I am practicing my profession in a private clinic.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Jabri: Throughout history, a series of stereotypes have been created, myths deeply rooted in society regarding the gifted that are not completely true, they are merely beliefs that often do not correspond to reality. They were considered as misfits, unsociable, they are supermen and superwomen who stood out in all areas and can perform any job without any difficulty, at the academic level is thought to get the best grades, and usually have a high academic performance, achieving both school and professional success. Nothing could be further from the truth than the fact that few people perform in an outstanding way academically, either because of lack of motivation or because of boredom in class. Many times they end up failing at school and a considerable percentage of them end up leaving school. They are emotionally labile, extremely sensitive, in fact, they are vulnerable, and if they do not receive the necessary attention and support and a specific education from an early age to unfold their potential and so that talent is not lost, they do not achieve the desired goals that are expected of them on an academic and professional level. Many develop psychological problems from feeling frustrated, they end up having anxiety, depressive pictures, sometimes obsessive behaviours and various types of phobias.
Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
Jabri: Today we live in a capitalist society, which is dominated by business deregulation, unemployment, injustice, poverty and economic inequality. Economic growth seems to benefit only the highest class of society, unscrupulous billionaires, who seek to make their fortunes at the expense of the poorest, without concern for human dignity, in an attempt to enrich themselves using all the means at their disposal, sometimes illegal, without concern for the generation of more poverty, environmental pollution and destruction of the natural habitat, violence. Pharmaceutical companies make billions of dollars in profits, taking out more and more expensive drugs that are out of reach of many people, they care more about how much money they make than about people’s own health, not everyone can pay what it costs for example the drugs to treat the various types of cancer, especially in the poorest countries.
In order to come to power, in the electoral campaigns before the elections, politicians often make false promises that then do not comply, sometimes financing their election campaigns or political parties with money obtained illegally, really only look after their political interests most of the time that what their people really need, we see each time the emergence of ultra-right parties, radical with their speeches divide society by promoting xenophobia, gender violence, social inequality, as in Spain with some political parties such as the party of Vox. Sometimes politicians in an attitude of manipulating people use religious arguments to attract more voters. Now with the crisis of the COVID-19, apart from the mismanagement of the pandemic by many governments, the rulers of different countries do not agree among themselves. We see at the beginning of the pandemic, a divided European Union. Richer countries in a selfish attitude try to recruit all the medical equipment, the drugs that seem to have some effect on the COVID-19, depriving other countries with fewer economic resources, lack of solidarity. Perhaps, we are undoubtedly facing the worst face of humanity.
I would like there to be solidarity among countries around the world to win the game of the pandemic we are living today. More coordination between countries, more collaboration. At the social level, that there be justice, eradicating poverty, social injustice, child exploitation, and less investment in arming and allocating this money to invest in universal health care, fighting unemployment. I would like to see the extinction of anarchist governments, dictatorial regimes and more care for ecology and the environment.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Jabri: Religions all have the same purpose, to establish social norms and rules, to put order and justice. These norms do not differ much between one religion and another, they have the same basis for the purpose of worshipping one god in either the Muslim, Christian or Jewish religion…for a reward in life as well as in the afterlife, promising an eternal life after death. Before religion people lived in a wild and disorderly way, it was chaotic, people killed, stole, raped, there was no justice. Almost all religions come with various prohibitions and restrictions that greatly limit people’s freedoms in order to have a sin-free life.
Having one religion or another depends a lot on the social, family and cultural environment of the place where you were born and raised, on the education you received. The Muslim religion its parishioners are the most faithful to their religion in the sense that they follow it and practice it in a more passionate way and with more fanaticism but as always there are exceptions. The parents pass it on to their descendants and so it is perpetuated and passed on from generation to generation. With time we see that religion is fading and losing weight, in many occasions you find people who say they have faith, believe in God but do not practice it or practice it partially, both in the Christian and Muslim religion, although less frequently in the latter, especially among the youngest because the mentality and lifestyle, is sometimes incompatible and does not fit with the times of now.
As for me, I believe in God and try to live with faith. It is difficult for me to conceive of the idea that this universe with this harmonious balance has been created from nothing, hence my need to believe in a creator. I follow the Muslim religion because my parents are Muslims and I have been educated and taught since childhood to practice the Muslim religion and by my own convictions. For me Islam preaches non-violence, respect and solidarity. Unfortunately, some radical extremists or terrorist groups justify their actions by misinterpreting the Koran and the Muslim religion. With their violent acts, they have greatly damaged the image of Islam and Muslims around the world.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Jabri: Thanks to science man came to step on the moon for the first time and who knows in the not so distant future we will reach Tuesday, we discover other galaxies, extraterrestrial life. In the field of medicine, which is constantly being renewed, science has given us much, thanks to the discovery of drugs, vaccines have saved millions of lives throughout history, in parallel with technological advances and their applications in the field of medicine have led to a revolution in modern medicine. Science in all its fields implies greater development associated with an improvement in the quality of life, social equality and in general the well-being of the population.
In my opinion, governments need to invest more in education, research, and seek greater dissemination of information and knowledge, such as opening more libraries, cultural centers, and more accessibility to the Internet. To try to train more and more qualified, prepared and trained people, which would lead to an improvement of our society as a whole.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Jabri: I did high-grade tests from several authors, among them Mathema by Dr. Jason Betts where I got my maximum score of 158, cosmic by James Dorsey also with a score of 158, the ISPE test and from other authors like Marco Ripa, Alexi Edin and Ivan Ivec among others.
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Jabri: My range is between 144-158, depending on the type of test and the author who designed the test, my lack of knowledge of English limits me when doing verbal tests.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Jabri: Religion and my parents’ education have taught me values such as honesty, solidarity, compassion, trying to help others as much as I can, respect for others regardless of their ethnicity, religious beliefs or any other human condition, I live a life free of prejudice. Also because of my profession as a doctor, I must act according to ethical principles, I try to be honest, transparent in my work, I am very understanding and empathetic with my patients, trying to do my job in the best possible way. In my day to day life, I try to take advantage and enjoy the best moments that life has to offer and adapt to difficult circumstances, I always try to give my best.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: October 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jabri-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Mohammed Karim Benazzi Jabri on Family, Intelligence, Genius, Islam, Faith, and Intelligence Test Scores: Member, World Genius Directory (1) [Online].October 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jabri-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, October 8). Conversation with Mohammed Karim Benazzi Jabri on Family, Intelligence, Genius, Islam, Faith, and Intelligence Test Scores: Member, World Genius Directory (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jabri-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Mohammed Karim Benazzi Jabri on Family, Intelligence, Genius, Islam, Faith, and Intelligence Test Scores: Member, World Genius Directory (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, October. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jabri-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Mohammed Karim Benazzi Jabri on Family, Intelligence, Genius, Islam, Faith, and Intelligence Test Scores: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jabri-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Mohammed Karim Benazzi Jabri on Family, Intelligence, Genius, Islam, Faith, and Intelligence Test Scores: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (October 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jabri-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Mohammed Karim Benazzi Jabri on Family, Intelligence, Genius, Islam, Faith, and Intelligence Test Scores: Member, World Genius Directory (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jabri-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Mohammed Karim Benazzi Jabri on Family, Intelligence, Genius, Islam, Faith, and Intelligence Test Scores: Member, World Genius Directory (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jabri-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Mohammed Karim Benazzi Jabri on Family, Intelligence, Genius, Islam, Faith, and Intelligence Test Scores: Member, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):October. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jabri-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Mohammed Karim Benazzi Jabri on Family, Intelligence, Genius, Islam, Faith, and Intelligence Test Scores: Member, World Genius Directory (1)[Internet]. (2020, October 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jabri-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
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Words: 3,415
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Heather Dugan is an author, advice columnist, and feature writer. She was a finalist in the USA Book Awards and the Indie Next Generation Book Awards. She recently published Date Like a Grownup. She discusses: dating like a grown up; look to someone as a potential partner or someone as a summer fling; change and growth; lifestyle and potential preconditions; the narrative inside of the woman’s mind; young woman vet ‘sharks’ or inauthentic men; the challenge for Millennial women looking for relationships; factors are the most important to make a relationship last; the loss of the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg; persistence; women to see themselves as making independent choices in more connection with their real selves in their lives; and challenges rather than primarily as tragedies.
Keywords: Heather Dugan, life, love, relationships, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Conversation with Heather Dugan on Relationships, Life, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Author
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you’re considering dating, and dating like a grown up, what are some lessons you’ve learned in reflection?
Heather Dugan[1],[2]: One of the things that got me started on writing that book. If you had a difficult situation, a lot of friends would like to bail you out, “You can pretend you have an emergency.” I wanted to do it differently. You feel a lot more empowered and happy with your choices if you can face people directly. I started this for Date Like a Grownup: Anecdotes, Admissions of Guilt & Advice Between Friends.[3] The big scenes I come back to are understanding who you are. A lot of the time, people begin dating the second time around thinking that they’re the same person as the first time around. They don’t realize, maybe, that they’ll be looking for different qualities.
Have yourself in a position where you have a life bigger than dating, it means that you need good, strong friend relationships. [Laughing] Otherwise, it is like trying to find dinner in a convenience store when starving or hungry.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Dugan: Then you tend to grab the least-worst option or the last text message. If you’re solid in your self-understanding, then you can wait for the best fit for you. It fits into some other things like filtering out people who may be nice, but do not fit. It is a self-assessment – being honest with who you are. We have such need for a relationship. Where they will cloak a candidate with all of their hopes and dreams, they want to see this persona s the person that they want. Something that resembles a dream. Then the person [Laughing] does a bad little strip tease and reveals who they are. You just weren’t will to see that.
Jacobsen: This is good information. Also, the framework for coming to vet a potential candidate – let’s call them – for a relationship, this will differ for each individual, but there are trends in terms of what people want where they are in life. For someone of a younger cohort, how do they, typically, if they are a young woman, look to someone as a potential partner or someone as a summer fling – so to speak?
Dugan: My book is really geared more towards for people looking for the long-term relationship. I don’t think that you need to filter. If that is your intention, short fling, there are some things. It is where your attraction is; that is what that boils down to. You may want some shared activities. If you want some legs on it, you have to look deeper than that. Because you can find chemistry in shared activities a lot of different places. If you want it to last longer than a summer, you have to find some other commonalities. One of the big things that will make the difference is static versus a dynamic partner.
It can cause a lot of friction. One wants to stay the same. They aren’t curious. There is nothing wrong with that. But that kind of person is not going to be comfortable in being with someone who wants to learn and grow. Even two people who want to grow, they may not even have the exact same interests. I think it is important to have the same mindset of the curiosity. Because you will always have things to share. Actually, it is better if you don’t share your whole lives together. Otherwise, you suck the oxygen out of the relationship.
Jacobsen: When we talk about change and growth, change is more neutral and can go in any number of directions, including dissolution. Growth has more positive connotations. It has this sense of adding things to the unit, to the couple, rather than detracting from it. What are the positive things, concrete manifestations, of growth here?
Dugan: A lot of times, this last book I wrote about the transitions of people individually, but the effects on couples as well. These are life changing events. When a couple weathers things together, they find strength and learn to appreciate and rely on each other in new ways. Other times, the deficits become clear. If a couple is to grow, then I think it is a matter of each of them being able to use the strengths of them. It takes knowing the strengths of the other person and the strength of oneself. Growing, it is creativity in there too. If we are growing, we are trying new things. One of my lessons to my youngest, “You saw the mistakes of your sister. You saw the mistakes of your brother. Make your own mistakes.”
Obviously, with a couple, in the context of a romantic relationship, you want to be growing, learning. A manifestation – to be more specific – is growing together and finding new things to talk about, new activities to share together, probably meeting new people to talk with. A lot of it is fresh water flowing into the relationship. It guarantees that you’re going to have new information, new opportunities. It is what tends to drive the growth. It is integrating what you’re learning into your life.
Jacobsen: For young women, younger people in general, they, typically, do not have to worry about a lot of health issues. As they get older, the probability of them having any variety of health issues from the very severe to the minor rise. Different health issues arise as well. When people are looking for the long-term partner when they are younger, how should they factor into account lifestyle and potential preconditions an individual might have who they might be looking to have legal and economic ties to – for a lifetime, potentially?
Dugan: In the beginning, if you are young and starting out, philosophy will be important. You mention later having some evidence of those ideas. Are you financially frugal? Do you enjoy spending lavishly? You want to be compatible on that. Part of that is going to be a shared activity thing. Is this somebody who likes to go running or going out, or staying in watching Netflix? Hopefully, your diets are compatible. In terms of health, it is all a roll of the die on it. If you are healthy, hopefully, you will be attracted to someone compatible that way. In the years that transpire, there are other things that grow beyond the initial physical attraction and other things. So, you’re able to weather things like a health issue.
Because, big and small, they do happen. People do bump into things. You do get stronger. I’ve had ankle surgery. I am still hiking in Colorado. You learn to push through. If you are in a couple, it becomes part of your story. Anytime you can make something part of the story. It is good.
Jacobsen: When a relationship is going well for an older person, what is the narrative inside of the woman’s mind? If a younger woman, what is the narrative there as well? Are there differences, in other words?
Dugan: I will have to think about the younger side of it. Because people share things, but you don’t know the whole internal narrative. You always begin relationships with a lot of hope and with a lot of history. Older people have more history. A lot of times, I think that can put a ballast on it. But it doesn’t make it go away. People react in different ways. It depends on how mentally healthy they are. Some people, unfortunately, have a difficult time without drama. I do a lot of speaking on relationships in general. It is so important to catch. People do these patterns based on past experiences, which end up sabotaging relationships, sometimes.
If things are going well, and if the person is emotionally healthy, then the excitement comes from enjoying life together rather than creating drama. There is some peace in that. But you are planning for a future they share. Again, for the younger, there is not the history there. But everyone brings some history. In the beginning, you are dating the possibility of a person, almost. As we go along through life, we get chiselled. It is almost like a sculpting process. I see that happening. You reveal more and more of yourself as you grow into yourself.
Jacobsen: How can a young woman vet ‘sharks’ or inauthentic men who can make wild promises but have no intention of fulfilling them? Or are simply not competent in life, in life tasks and goals, to fulfill some of the promises that they make, even with good intent?
Dugan: It is important to give people time to show who they are. It is difficult to know, immediately. You may have clicks on things that look like a relationship will go a while. But you have to have some glitches along the ay. You have to deal with a malfunctioning toilet or delaying travel plans. Travelling together is a great way to see how flexible people are; somebody might make promises. You look for how they treat you. Words are one thing. What do they do? I often tell people in terms of evaluating the quality of the relationship.
A lot of people, they are weighing it, “Is it valuable to say or should I move on?” Is it diminishing you? Are you able to be your best self? If anybody is having to diminish who they are in order to keep the relationship afloat, it is not going to work in the long-term. That’s a time to have, at least, a discussion together to see if it is something that can be understood and rectified. But that situation, if somebody is squashing somebody else’s capacity to grow or is trying to keep them within a certain framework, then you’re likely to get to get a defensive response. It is better to live alone than to not live authentically as yourself.
Jacobsen: What do you see as the challenge for Millennial women looking for relationships, family, if they are heterosexual, a husband and family? As Pew Research finds, most young men and women do want marriage and family in the United States.
Dugan: I’ve encouraged my children. I’ve told them, “Don’t get married until you’re at least 30.” It is great if you can find someone who you click with and can do things together. There is no rush. You need to be stable in who you are before having children. It launches you into another orbit. I’ll be honest. It is not like you become a parent and suddenly have everything figured out. It is one of the first things I had my kids understood when they were older. “You’ve got it from here.” We don’t have to start a family immediately. I can understand when some people are tentative to move in that direction. I hear what you’re saying, ultimately. It is important to make sure it is a solid relationship. There are a lot of wobbly things in the world right now.
Hopefully, a relationship when you’re younger makes things in the world a little more stable, at least in your vicinity. Is it easy to relax with them? I remember back in relationships. Here is one party that is happy, which has nothing to do with me, it is something carried with them. People show you their best self. That is what we do. Over time, more and more, we reveal parts of ourselves that we are unsure of being worthy for other people to see.
Jacobsen: What factors are the most important to make a relationship last? Based on the research and the advice in the column, what strategies should people keep in mind?
Dugan: I think flexibility is huge. Rigidity has killed more things. It is difficult when people decide there is one way of living, one way of doing things. It is important to embrace things that come your way, to incorporate that into what you’re already building. Kindness, you have to be able, even in the midst of difficult times when there is a crisis or someone is not feeling well/afraid, to know the line and not to vent on your partner. To be kind, it is final. That’s what keeps things afloat, I think. Showing respect, you will not agree on everything. Respecting their choices and letting them have them, that shows love to the highest.
Unfortunately, it is hard to dial it down to a couple. But flexibility, kindness, respect, and a sense of commitment to something bigger than yourself, the promoting of each other in terms of appreciating their ability to be their unique self, not wishing for some other self – letting them be their self on their time. So, you can have the safe, calm space or a haven from the world.
Jacobsen: Unfortunately, there was the loss of the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg late last month. She has been a pillar for a lot of women’s rights progress, nationally, in the United States, whether in Supreme Court decisions or in commentary. So, as a mother, how can you approach speaking about the legacy of former Justice Ginsburg in regards to the work that she has done, and the strength of women and the importance of gender equality in the United States?
Dugan: I like to use those conversations as a way of empowering my kids and to help them tap into their own possibilities. On the topic of legacy, I would begin talking about how these develop over time. She didn’t become a circuit judge until 60. There’s a lot of work there. A lot of constancy, integrity, to get to the position, to be the same in all situations. The reliability of the decision-making there for her. It is helping your daughter understand who RBG is to so many people and thinking, maybe, the things she would hope people know about herself. Now, and what kinds of things would she like to build towards for her own legacy, another thing, too, the consistency thing; the constancy of being the same person in all situations. It is important to talk about integrity and to be the same in all situations.
It can be difficult for young women and for young men for that matter. Can you be the same person with your friends group? It is understandable that, maybe, you speak differently with adults than with kids. Are you able to be the same person with adults and with kids? If you are a person of respectful of other people’s ideas, are you different with one friend group than with another?
Jacobsen: You had a note about persistence as well. What is the example of persistence in Ginsburg’s life?
Dugan: The whole going first thing, my kids have heard a lot, “If not you, then who?” The idea that somebody has to take the first step for things to change. It wasn’t one step. As we said, her legacy, she went at this creatively. She was striving for equality through the use of the law, but she came at it through different viewpoints. As part of her push for women’s rights, she argued widowers should receive death benefits. It was creative to find that and make that as part of the puzzle. I would go on to the value of creative problem solving, where there are different approaches for the same situation to move yourself forward. Talking about what it means to be a pioneer, that “no” is always part of the process. You are going to hear, “No.” Women need to understand it. Because they are going to hear it. When I was younger, “No,” would stop me in my tracks, now, it is more information.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Dugan: It is not judgment on a person. When they are more aware, then they can blow through them easier and then make their next attempts, I would ask about times when she heard, “No,” when she thought that she should have heard, “Yes,” when she thought that she was capable. Arming our kids with those first words, so they have that launching pad, the moment when you are first feeling the stress of the situation. It can be hard to find the words. It can give them the confidence to push past and find the dialogue rather than giving up. RBG, her life is such a rich history and example. There are a lot of different answers to learn on how she progressed through her journey.
Jacobsen: How can one allow women to see themselves as making independent choices in more connection with their real selves in their lives?
Dugan: I think you have to build that confidence in self. A lot of people spend their 30s, 40s, and 50s repairing a confidence damaged in childhood, unfortunately. Talking with your daughter that she will make decisions totally different from you, it’s totally fine. RBG pursued a different path than her mom. She couldn’t attend college. But her mother was her fan. Talk about the ways the two of you are similar and different, it allows her to be different within the family. The fact that she can change her mind. That’s part of gaining information. It does mean that you do change your mind. RBG exhibited an open-mindedness, even as she held onto core values. She socialized quite a lot with Scalia. There are a lot of great anecdotes out of that. Her challenges made her stronger, because of him. If you integrate the good parts into your own, and crystallize what you really good think, it is a good thing. We need discuss active listening and discussing vs. arguing, being able to take in the information the other person is preparing rather than preparing the rebuttal [Laughing].
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Dugan: It is affirming that that is a sign of strength. That apologizing is a sign of strength. She apologized for comments about Donald Trump and Colin Kaepernick. She said things that she thought later weren’t the best and was strong enough later to say that. Saying, “Sorry,” doesn’t make you a weaker person, it makes people respect you more if you own up to it. Was there a time when people apologized to you, and then you liked them better because you felt they were more real with you? Maybe, you ask about times that she’s gotten information and changed her own mind. It will help her be more open to that kind of thing.
Jacobsen: As a wrap-up question for the session today, I want to ask about some of your difficulties in your life that you have experienced and taken those on board as challenges rather than primarily as tragedies, so as to become stronger.
Dugan: It has been a journey [Laughing]. Now and then, people will say, “You’ve had such a charmed life.” I just want to laugh [Laughing]. I had a call today. I mentioned. There was a time in life when I lost three close family members, had a major surgery, was going through divorce proceedings, was trying to raise kids as a single mother, and my mother required care. I got very disconnected from the whole world. It was a very difficult, dark time. I didn’t know that I could create anything better out of my life. I think my children were part of it, certainly, of moving forward. It was a greater responsibility for everybody. If you have something bigger than yourself, then that always helps. I have always been one of those people who has been curious. There is always an expectation. I want to see what it is [Laughing].
I’ve mentioned the previous ankle surgery. I find workarounds. Most of the time, when something is blocked, I have begun to find ways around them and see them as detours. Plan B is almost always better than Plan A because it includes possibilities and spontaneity, which didn’t enter my brain. I didn’t have the idea. [Laughing] I think having this sense of purpose and looking for workarounds in Plan B. It makes all the difference. The purpose part, for me, is helping other people maximize their life experience. It is such a big and important purpose. I don’t think I could stop.
Jacobsen: Heather, it’s been a delight. Thank you so much for your time today.
Dugan: Well, thank you, I appreciate chatting. If I can ever help you with anything, just give me a call.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Author; Columnist.
[2] Individual Publication Date: October 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dugan; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
[3]Blurb from Amazon (Hyperlinked in the main text): “Date Like a Grownup examines the impact of loneliness and social obsolescence on men and women in their second single lives and provides punctuating proof that looking for love from a place of isolation is as unwise as grocery shopping on an empty stomach. A USA Book Awards and Next Generation Book Awards finalist, Date Like a Grownup is “a witty and insightful look at dating the second time around, “a refreshing peek into the challenges of building midlife relationships” and “a toolkit for moving past the loneliness toward a relationship built for the future.” Unlike most relationship manuals, this book does NOT guide the reader through game-playing and winning temporary partners. Instead, Ms. Dugan presents a personalized strategy for building a life foundation that facilitates finding and growing a “right fit” relationship. Topics include: effective filtering, social media and online dating, how to avoid isolation and “space-filler” choices and how to strategically begin building a larger social network. Engaging narratives such as “The Percocet Proposal” and “Need Meets Greed” underline specific dating principles outlined in the book and affirm that none of us are immune to bad choices. These real-life outtakes from interviewed men and women are often funny and always insightful. Heather Dugan is a speaker, discussion facilitator and connection coach, a writer/advice columnist and frequent media expert on topics related to relationships, dating, connection, combatting isolation and work/family issues. Founder of Cabernet Coaches, a social connection group that encourages and enables women to build bigger relational foundations, Heather is dedicated to high impact, face-to-face friendship as a means of change. Her videos, articles and books promote active enablement, meaningful connection and proactive decision-making with a twist of humor and the affirming good nature of a friend who has traveled the same road. With at least half of adult population attempting a Do-Over on their most committed relationship—and many getting it wrong yet a second time—Date Like a Grownup provides time-saving truths for the millions of men and women navigating midlife dating.”
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Heather Dugan on Relationships, Life, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Author[Online].October 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dugan.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, October 8). Conversation with Heather Dugan on Relationships, Life, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Author. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dugan.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Heather Dugan on Relationships, Life, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Author. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, October. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dugan>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Heather Dugan on Relationships, Life, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Author.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dugan.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Heather Dugan on Relationships, Life, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Author.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (October 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dugan.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Heather Dugan on Relationships, Life, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Author‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dugan>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Heather Dugan on Relationships, Life, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Author‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dugan.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Heather Dugan on Relationships, Life, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Author.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):October. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-3>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Heather Dugan on Relationships, Life, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg: Author[Internet]. (2020, October 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dugan.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,228
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Justin Duplantis is a Member of the Triple Nine Society and the former Editor of its journal entitled Vidya. He discusses: nuanced facets of giftedness; some ways individuals who are gifted can be derailed in childhood development; the higher risk factors for gifted youth becoming deviant; learning styles; the capacity to make better decisions; internal policies for helping new members who may be younger and having issues; an issue of Vidya to this particular issue; the National Association for Gifted Children; the doctoral research; and the Zone of Proximal Development.
Keywords: giftedness, IQ, Justin Duplantis, National Association for Gifted Children.
Conversation with Justin Duplantis on Giftedness, Deviancy, “Vidya,” and the National Association for Gifted Children: Member, Triple Nine Society (5)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What are some of the nuanced facets of giftedness important for understanding nature of the gifts?
Justin Duplantis: Traditional schooling is tailored to those of average intelligence. The general population requires information to be conveyed numerous times, prior to its retention. Gifted youth do not require such repetition, so once the concepts are understood, the child becomes bored and restless. This, inevitably, results in the child attempting to locate something in which to entertain themselves. This is generally something that directly contradicts the classroom rules, resulting in a reprimand, as opposed to a redirect. These gifted youth are subsequently labelled deviant, as opposed to an exploration into their behaviour, which would have resulted in the proper labelling of the child as gifted.
Jacobsen: What are some ways individuals who are gifted can be derailed in childhood development?
Duplantis: As stated above, if the child is labelled deviant, as opposed to gifted, this could lead that child down a path that would inhibit growth and disable them from fulfilling their potential.
Jacobsen: In adolescence, what would be some of the higher risk factors for gifted youth becoming deviant? Is there an innate aspect to this running off the rails? We have cases of Sufiah Yusof becoming, later, a prostitute. We have the case of Keith Raniere ruining several people’s lives and facing significant time in jail, potentially for life, as a cult leader. Bobby Fischer derailed into exile and anti-Semitism. J. Robert Oppenheimer tried to kill his tutor. Lots of stories like this abound.
Duplantis: I believe this is a two-part response that goes with nature versus nurture theory. Although there are exceptions to every rule, gifted individuals tend to fall into one of two extreme categories. There are those that have the need to try everything once and those that are uninterested in taking risks at all. The higher the standard deviation, the more likely that individual is to fall into one of these two categories. Due to this, there is a high propensity for nefarious behaviour by those who fall into the “try everything once” category. This is fueled by the need for the next thrill. I am unable to relate, as I fall into the opposite category, having never smoked, done any recreational drug, or even tasted alcohol. On the other side of the coin, nurture is certainly a factor and I strongly believe, as referenced above, that the identification of giftedness at an early age is vital. My five year old’s preliminary IQ test was done at three and he ceilinged out the test at 150 IQ, so we are unsure where he actually lies. He started Kindergarten this week and has exhibited behavioural issues already, due to his boredom. If, as parents, we were unaware of his potential there is a probability that this unbecoming behaviour could result in future issues. Instead, his teacher is aware of his giftedness and is exploring creative ways to keep him engaged.
Jacobsen: When you speak of learning styles, what is the theoretical and empirical foundation for this view?
Duplantis: Different learning styles are common among all demographics in society, so this phenomenon is not limited to the gifted population.
Jacobsen: Young adults, ideally, have more fully-developed and integrated brains for the capacity to make better decisions. Yet, still, their minds can go into deviancy, even mental illness. What are some of the ways in which this can be induced externally if not by internal factors? (Obviously, we’re talking ratios here.)
Duplantis: I strongly believe this starts in childhood and adolescence. It is vital that the mental stimulation and hunger for knowledge that gifted youth possess be channelled in the proper direction. Without this, the deviant road is the most convenient, for its excitement.
Jacobsen: For Vidya, have there been any previous issues of the journal dealing with this particular problem? Have there been internal policies for helping new members who may be younger and having issues, i.e., providing community, giving encouragement, supporting them socially and intellectually, etc.?
Duplantis: I am unaware if there have been any past articles that are specifically geared towards this. With that said, at the annual gathering each year there is generally someone that speaks on giftedness and provides advice and resources.
Jacobsen: If this hasn’t been done, would you consider devoting an issue of Vidya to this particular issue?
Duplantis: This has absolutely been on my mind, as well as conducting a presentation at a future annual gathering. With that said, I want to ensure that the primary information that is provided is factual, as opposed to opinionated; therefore, I am going to wait and do so until after ascertaining my PhD.
Jacobsen: With organizations like the National Association for Gifted Children, they provide supports for the gifted. It is an acknowledgement of the differential in performance in different areas for the youth. In What is Giftedness?, they state:
Students with gifts and talents perform—or have the capability to perform—at higher levels compared to others of the same age, experience, and environment in one or more domains. They require modification(s) to their educational experience(s) to learn and realize their potential. Student with gifts and talents:
- Come from all racial, ethnic, and cultural populations, as well as all economic strata.
- Require sufficient access to appropriate learning opportunities to realize their potential.
- Can have learning and processing disorders that require specialized intervention and accommodation.
- Need support and guidance to develop socially and emotionally as well as in their areas of talent.
What are the strengths and weaknesses of this definition?
Duplantis: This is an all-encompassing definition. Just as the term Autism is used to describe individuals with developmental delays in one or more areas. There are many subcategories that are yet to be defined that fall within these larger categories. In some school districts, for instance, they have gifted theatre classes. The students must go through a rigorous testing process to be deemed gifted in theatre. This is completely separate from academic giftedness.
Jacobsen: Is this close to the definition used in the doctoral research for you?
Duplantis: My research is not generically focused, as this definition suggests. I am solely focused upon overall intellectual giftedness, as defined by IQ.
Jacobsen: Something featuring prominently as the theoretical construct for the NAGC is the Zone of Proximal Development. Who invented this terminology and theory? What is it? How is this important for parents of gifted children?
Duplantis: Lev Vygotsky developed this in the early 20th century. It essentially indicates that there are items in which an individual is capable of learning on their own, other items that need assistance from another individual to learn, and those items in which the individual is simply incapable of learning. The toughest sector for the gifted community is the sector of items that simply are unable to be learned. This is a much smaller quantity, as compared to the general population. Due to this, the gifted individual and their circle of influence (ie family, friends, educators, etc) find it inconceivable that a gifted person would be unable to learn a certain subject. This created frustration and often times feelings of worthlessness. Although there are many distinct differences between the average individual and the gifted, at the end of the day we are all human and face similar struggles. Human first. Gifted second.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Justin Duplantis is a Member of the Triple Nine Society and the former Editor of its journal entitled Vidya.
[2] Individual Publication Date: October 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/duplantis-5; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Justin Duplantis on Giftedness, Deviancy, “Vidya,” and the National Association for Gifted Children: Member, Triple Nine Society (5)) [Online].October 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/duplantis-5.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, October 8). Conversation with Justin Duplantis on Giftedness, Deviancy, “Vidya,” and the National Association for Gifted Children: Member, Triple Nine Society (5). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/duplantis-5.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Justin Duplantis on Giftedness, Deviancy, “Vidya,” and the National Association for Gifted Children: Member, Triple Nine Society (5). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, October. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/duplantis-5>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Justin Duplantis on Giftedness, Deviancy, “Vidya,” and the National Association for Gifted Children: Member, Triple Nine Society (5).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/duplantis-5.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Justin Duplantis on Giftedness, Deviancy, “Vidya,” and the National Association for Gifted Children: Member, Triple Nine Society (5).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (October 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/duplantis-5.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Justin Duplantis on Giftedness, Deviancy, “Vidya,” and the National Association for Gifted Children: Member, Triple Nine Society (5)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/duplantis-5>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Justin Duplantis on Giftedness, Deviancy, “Vidya,” and the National Association for Gifted Children: Member, Triple Nine Society (5)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/duplantis-5.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Justin Duplantis on Giftedness, Deviancy, “Vidya,” and the National Association for Gifted Children: Member, Triple Nine Society (5).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):October. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/duplantis-5>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Justin Duplantis on Giftedness, Deviancy, “Vidya,” and the National Association for Gifted Children: Member, Triple Nine Society (5)[Internet]. (2020, October 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/duplantis-5.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 6, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 418
Keywords: Humanist Society of Zimbabwe, Takudzwa Mazwienduna, Zimbabwe, Zimbabwean Secular Alliance.
Ask Takudzwa 11 – Constitution[1],[2]
Takudzwa Mazwienduna is the informal leader of Zimbabwean Secular Alliance and a Member of the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe. This educational series will explore secularism in Zimbabwe from an organizational perspective, and more. He is a friend and former boss at the now-defunct Cornelius Press in South Africa.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Many organizations come with policy statements and governance documents. These set the boundaries of operation or scope of the organization. What is the progress on the constitution for the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe?
Takudzwa Mazwienduna: The Humanist Society of Zimbabwe drafted a constitution before it got registered. It covers all the aspects that relate to the organization and was approved by all the members
Jacobsen: What will be some of the upcoming policy statements of the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe?
Mazwienduna: There hasn’t been any talks about new policy statements lately, the organization’s priority at the moment is to mobilize members.
Jacobsen: Who are the drafters of these first constitutional and policy documents?
Mazwienduna: The interim chair Shingai Rukwata Ndoro and the interim secretary Tapiwa Muungani were the authors of the constitution.
Jacobsen: What are some things to keep in mind while developing such documents for the construction of a humanist society?
Mazwienduna: We maintained ideas of equality, fairness and cooperation when the constitution was drafted. We also defined our relevance in the framework of the national constitution.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Takudzwa.
Mazwienduna: It’s always a pleasure Scott, thank you.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: October 6, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ask-takudzwa-11-constitution.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 25.A, Idea: Land of Fire and Ice: Islandia, Snelandia, and Insula Gardari (1)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,851
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir is the Chief Executive Office of Dimmblá and Chief Executive Officer of Rebutia. She discusses: potential industry partners connected through the university system in Iceland; artificial intelligence and ethical and sustainable fashion dynamics; and style for Dimmblá.
Keywords: artificial intelligence, Dimmblá, Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir, Rebutia, sustainable fashion.
Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Artificial Intelligence and Sustainable Fashion Design in Iceland: Chief Executive Officer, Rebutia (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: With the University of Iceland and Reykjavik University, how are potential industry partners connected through the university system in Iceland and small business owners & startups such as yourselves?
Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir[1],[2]: When we are developing the artificial intelligence into our service, when we applied for the grant, we spoke with Reykjavik University. They have a department within the university, which is an A.I. department. They have been working with companies. They are really respected by the Research Development Grant that we get. They are really respected by them. I am sure that this collaboration is helping, or did help us, to get the grant, definitely. When they, Reykjavik University, sign an agreement, they worked with us, and bigger companies in Iceland, to develop an A.I. for them. The agreement says that, since they get so much innovation and knowledge from every research that they do in the development work, they can use it for the benefit of other companies; that are not in competition. So, let’s say, Marel (machining manufacturer in Garðabær, Iceland) are developing a fishing machine with A.I. This A.I. that they are developing for them could be helpful for us. In our case, there might be some angle there, “Yes, oh, we can use this.”
They are, actually, profiting other companies, helping them out, grow faster, and be better in international competition later on. It is a huge benefit for companies to collaborate with the university. Now, funny that you say this, I am, actually, applying for another grant in collaboration with the University of Iceland. It is a collaboration with a student for the Summer. I have an idea about what we want to do; I applied with the student. They get their angle into the application. They might think something different than I do. Then we get new views on the application, “Oh! We can go to this direction and complete this in three months.” Of course, both the student and the university, and the society, van benefit, because, if we see this person is a good fit for the new company, we can hire them. It can be a good benefit for when we are growing the economy here in Iceland. This is one of the reasons, probably, that the government decided to spend more money on the start-ups. This kind of collaboration is really great for everyone, I think.
Jacobsen: Some of the economic hits that came to Iceland’s economic shores. They have been the 2008 crash. They’ve been the counter-intuitive boom from the explosion, volcanic eruption [Laughing].
Sigfúsdóttir: [Laughing].
Jacobsen: Based on my knowledge so far of Icelandic history and the people, it’s a survival culture. It’s a culture where, to quote Laxness, is “independent people.”
Sigfúsdóttir: Yes.
Jacobsen: Right? It is a people where the men went out; the women handled themselves. They’re fine.
Sigfúsdóttir: [Laughing].
Jacobsen: When men weren’t acting properly in the sexual dynamics of life for men and women…
Sigfúsdóttir: …
Jacobsen: …there was a MeToo before MeToo. When bankers were involved in kind of financial ill-dealings, they were dealt with according to, where law. And they got their penalties. There are cases in the United States, where they were bailed out wih over $700 billion (USD) when the banks were acting bad. So, it was a nanny state for the super-rich. Then when it came to the MeToo movement and the TimesUp movement, we see this in the United States, but only in the last few years since, not only the election of Donald Trump but also, the explosion of the myth around a lot of these prominent male figures in Hollywood.
Sigfúsdóttir: Yes, exactly, definitely.
Jacobsen: So, Iceland is way, way, ahead. How are these artificial intelligence and ethical and sustainable fashion dynamics fitting into the larger weave of Icelandic history and culture, where it’s ahead of the curve and very conscious of things that are right and things that are wrong well ahead of their time?
Sigfúsdóttir: I think, we are a small society. We are 350,000 people.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Sigfúsdóttir: [Laughing] That’s the nature of Iceland. Like you talked about in the beginning, you went to the bar [Ed. Pre-interview conversation]. Accidentally, you meet your cousin.
Jacobsen: Right [Laughing].
Sigfúsdóttir: [Laughing] You have to go to check [Ed. The digital application is called Íslendinga-App, which references Íslendingabók or The Book of Icelanders.] If someone who you were dating was someone related to you [Laughing]. That is the problem that we have had in Iceland. I think because we are, basically, a small community.
Jacobsen: That’s a good way to put it.
Sigfúsdóttir: Heritage is our nature. It is our heritage. It is all around us. I live in the city. After five minutes, I can, actually, be in the woods. Of course, I live in the suburban area. However, I only have to travel five minutes to have the river, to have the woods, and to have the beautiful valley, which is untouched. I think I can tell, at least from my perspective, and the people around me. When I was growing up, I spent a lot of time with my grandma. I still remember; she saved everything. She kept jars. I am drinking from a jar now [Laughing].
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Sigfúsdóttir: I still remember it. She needed a bedroom table. She went to her basement to make one. A table and other stuff, they were putting this together. Then she had a nice table for her bedroom. We just built it, out of stuff that she found. She never bought a bag when grocery shopping. This is 30 years back. She was concerned. She reused. People were poor. They did not have the money. So, they just had to adapt. I think because we were a poor country; people, we learned from our grandparents. This was a way of living. You had to survive with the small things that you had. You had to repurpose things. We learned a lot from our grandparents and being so close to nature. Many of us in the younger generation have gone travelling in Iceland. We are only a few minutes from Reykjavik. You are amazed, “Like, wow!” We have the highlands and so much untouched nature. Many people, when the tourism was really high in Iceland, were scared as well.
Because when there was so much tourism in Iceland, when you travel abroad or to the United States, you pay for everything. It wasn’t the case in Iceland. You could see the waterfalls and everything, but then thing changed with so much tourism. Suddenly, we were standing in line. A few years back, you were standing alone. Nobody was there. That was the best thing. Now, it was crowded with people. People were paying to see something. Even us Icelanders, at least, we had to pay for everything. For us, it was like, “Really?! I am travelling in my own country.” We are so close to nature. We might be brought up by parents, grandparents, who didn’t have much and had to make the most of things. I think this has, definitely, made us more conscious. At least, some of us [Laughing], most of us.
Jacobsen: [Laughing] The township where I live is hovering around 120,000 or 130,000. The capital of Iceland with Reykjavik is floating around the same number.
Sigfúsdóttir: Vancouver, I went there when I worked for an orthopedic company. I liked Vancouver. It is so beautiful there. Oh my God! This is a place I could imagine living. You could go out. You could be like, “What am I going to do today? Should I go skiing, swimming at sea?” [Laughing].
Jacobsen: A big thing, I think, for a lot of Vancouverites. I live in the Greater Vancouver Area. I live on the outskirts in a small town called Fort Langley. It was the first capital of British Columbia. It was a colony before Canada was a country. To get to Downtown Vancouver, it is a significant amount of travel relative to a European’s idea of travel. You can walk from one corner of Reykjavik to the other in about an hour. That’s the length of the drive to Downtown Vancouver.
Sigfúsdóttir: Yes, exactly. That’s a benefit of Iceland, or Reykjavik [Laughing].
Jacobsen: Yes, Canadians don’t understand how other people view them because provinces that we have are bigger than most countries. That really puts it into perspective, I think. I think Canada has a lot of Icelandic-Canadians as well, maybe 100,000.
Sigfúsdóttir: Exactly, true.
Jacobsen: What other areas could we touch on that are relevant to others to cover the relevant dynamics of Iceland? I think the fashion rooted in the culture. With Dimmblá, every fashion company has a particular style. You’re rooted in Iceland. Other than things like Sky Blue and Nay Blue. Things like this. What other things are you thinking in terms of style for Dimmblá?
Sigfúsdóttir: I have been going away from fashion a bit. Because I have been focusing on sustainable living. What I have been designing is basically the accessories, like scarves, of course, I was designing the dresses with a designer before. We were always thinking about what we wanted to capture: As a woman, what you would be feeling when you were wearing the Dimmblá clothing. That’s mostly what I was thinking. It was for women who were free spirit going out into nature. Something reminding her of the nature and the comfort. Someone who is, actually, a traveller who has been around the world, basically. Because what I have learned, you begin to appreciate things more, especially, for me, when I travel, “Oh wow, we have this at home.” You start to appreciate your nature and your heritage more when you start travelling. So, when people are travelling more and learning about new culture, I have seen that for many cases. People start to appreciate. They start to get more conscious about things around them after travelling, learning new culture.
You want to, basically, (not save) keep the heritage and the nature. I see this when people come to Iceland. They travel and come to Iceland and see the nature. They go, “Oh wow, you have managed to keep nature so untouched. It is amazing how much nature that you have.” Then they start to say, “You have to keep it. You have to make sure that it is not ruined. It is the feeling when in nature and close to nature. It is the feeling, which I that want to inspire with my products. You want to get this sustainable and to not be affected by the chemicals or the pollution, which are so-often used in this business. I think that’s a really important perspective for me, in everything I do. I want to inspire people and make the right choices, basically. When you buy something, you know this is something authentic. They believe in this. It is something that you want to be a part of.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Heiðrún.
Sigfúsdóttir: [Laughing].
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder & Chief Executive Officer, Dimmblá; Co-Founder & Chief Executive Officer, Rebutia.
[2]Individual Publication Date: October 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-2; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Artificial Intelligence and Sustainable Fashion Design in Iceland: Chief Executive Officer, Rebutia (2)[Online].September 2020; 25(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 8). Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Artificial Intelligence and Sustainable Fashion Design in Iceland: Chief Executive Officer, Rebutia (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Artificial Intelligence and Sustainable Fashion Design in Iceland: Chief Executive Officer, Rebutia (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Artificial Intelligence and Sustainable Fashion Design in Iceland: Chief Executive Officer, Rebutia (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Artificial Intelligence and Sustainable Fashion Design in Iceland: Chief Executive Officer, Rebutia (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Artificial Intelligence and Sustainable Fashion Design in Iceland: Chief Executive Officer, Rebutia (2)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Artificial Intelligence and Sustainable Fashion Design in Iceland: Chief Executive Officer, Rebutia (2)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 25.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Artificial Intelligence and Sustainable Fashion Design in Iceland: Chief Executive Officer, Rebutia (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 25.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-2>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Artificial Intelligence and Sustainable Fashion Design in Iceland: Chief Executive Officer, Rebutia (2)[Internet]. (2020, September 25(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,629
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anas El-Husseini is a Member of the Glia Society. He discusses: private forums; the email newsletters; the journals for the high-IQ societies; some common elements; private forums, email newsletters, and journals; apps for communication; long-term online platforms; “Die silently”; some intents of society founders and administrators; a reasonable and coherent society; the alternative tests; historical cases of high-IQ societies becoming particularly acrimonious and destructive; the Glia society; the reason for taking the test in the first place; some first impressions of the tests; the general impression of the content of Thoth; the general contents and reasons for submitting to Thoth; some of the sources of humour found in megalomaniacs; the source of the emotional, verbal, and logical deficits in megalomaniacs; the loss of interest in I.Q. tests; balanced intelligence; and efforts to bring everything under the same roof.
Keywords: Anas El Husseini, Glia Society, IQ, megalomaniacs, Paul Cooijmans, Thoth.
Conversation with Anas El Husseini on Private Forums, Email Newsletters, Journals, Common Elements, Apps, Megalomaniacs, Thoth, and Balanced Intelligence: Member, Glia Society (3)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: How do the private forums work in the high-IQ communities?
Anas El Husseini[1],[2]*: They are more or less like public forums, but with different types of topics sometimes, and with less traffic (due to the usually low membership). The communications there are rather high in quality, not only in the content’s side, but also in the presentation and the verbal ability.
Jacobsen: What tends to be the content of the email newsletters?
El Husseini: They vary from I.Q.-related tests/contests/articles to more common topics like personal choices of music. They contain sometimes articles or stories written by society members and published in I.Q. journals or elsewhere. Philosophical discussions occasionally take place there. They are also generally open to all kinds of intellectual communications, whether trivial or major.
Jacobsen: How common are the journals for the high-IQ societies?
El Husseini: They seem like a tradition for high I.Q. societies. If you find such a society without a dedicated journal, or with a journal that does not publish new issues any more, you will be right to assume that that society has become defunct.
Jacobsen: What tend to be some common elements of them?
El Husseini: Basically, there are articles authored by society members looking for a place that allows them to be published verbatim. However, some journals like Thoth accept copy from non-members too, so you get to see some bizarre content (since I.Q. societies tend to attract megalomaniacs and other types of people). Other people like to write about their personal achievements, memories and life experiences and publish it there.
Jacobsen: What could make the private forums, email newsletters, and journals more engaging?
El Husseini: Modernization and rules. First, people have been preferring live chat and social apps over email lately, since the latter usually requires more formality in communications. Second, it is my opinion that the stricter the rules of the forum, the less people become inclined to participate. However, rules are very essential in such forums, since they are there to regulate and not to restrict freedoms. One should set a balance between forum rules and the allowed behavior in order to avoid compromising the principles of the society and the freedom of its members.
Jacobsen: Could the creation of apps for communication bridge the generations of individual members who exist within the high-IQ societies?
El Husseini: I think so, as I explained in an earlier answer.
Jacobsen: Not only member cognitive rarity cutoff for entry, there seems to be the facet of longevity and a long-term growth trajectory of a society for communication. Mensa International started a long time ago and continue to grow past 130,000+ members. It’s a feat. In fact, with online availability and access, could long-term online platforms provide a basis for sufficient membership, trust, and will to move into “physical events” and “meetings”?
El Husseini: No doubt that online presence has increased the outreach of high I.Q. societies, but those seem to have reach their limits in terms of increasing members nowadays. Talking about the higher range of I.Q. societies, they tend to either decrease in new membership because they became dormant, or they increase at an almost fixed rate every year for the last decade.
Jacobsen: I like the phrase, “Die silently.” It seems true. Based on some preliminary analyses of the landscape of the high-IQ, we can note the trend there. Many listings of societies lead to dead links, i.e., likely defunct societies. Any suggestions to memberships on prodding the administrators to maintain focus and energy on the society, so as not to “die silently”?
El Husseini: In brief, the administrator must be fully involved, dedicate a good amount of his own time for this role, and manages to keep the other members engaged and interested in activities and discussions.
Jacobsen: What are some intents of society founders and administrators that can lead them inevitably into oblivion without a change of course?
El Husseini: I do not think there are any intents within society admins that lead to that result. It is usually inaction and passiveness that are the main culprits.
Jacobsen: What cutoff seems most conducive to a reasonable and coherent society without restricting the growth and access of the society?
El Husseini: A good compromise between freedom and regulations seems like a good basic conduct, although not trivial to achieve.
Jacobsen: Why do so many societies focus on the aspects of the alternative tests as opposed to mainstream intelligence tests?
El Husseini: Mainstream intelligence tests have their weak points. They are so common that their patterns are found in almost every online I.Q. test, so people can learn or get trained to memorize those patterns and achieve an I.Q. score higher than their real I.Q. Furthermore, many of those tests have a low cut-offs, i.e. they cannot measure I.Q. higher than 140 or 150 on a standard deviation of 15.
Jacobsen: Any historical cases of high-IQ societies becoming particularly acrimonious and destructive based on personality conflicts?
El Husseini: None that I know of.
Jacobsen: Why decide to join the Glia society in December of 2012?
El Husseini: I was looking into joining Mensa first, but it had no branches in my country and it required supervised I.Q. tests. I found the alternative in online I.Q. societies, many of which admit members based on the scores of recognized unsupervised I.Q. tests.
Jacobsen: With “an I.Q. score of 149 (S.D. 15) on the ‘Psychometrically Activated Grids Acerbate Neuroticism’ test,” what was the reason for taking the test in the first place?
El Husseini: Part of the reason was to solve the extraordinary puzzles in there. The other part was to get admitted to Glia Society.
Jacobsen: What were some first impressions of the tests?
El Husseini: I have tried some of Paul Cooijmans tests before. My opinion is that they were always top-quality. Their questions are unique, very challenging, and give a great satisfaction when one manages to solve them.
Jacobsen: What is the general impression of the content of Thoth to you?
El Husseini: I almost always find something of interest in Thoth, sometimes even an image or just a line. Although, most members seldom send content to be published there nowadays, there are other members who still keep at publishing steadily.
Jacobsen: What were the general contents and reasons for submitting to Thoth several years ago twice?
El Husseini: I had joined the society recently then, so I wanted to see the impact of my writings in the journal. One of the contents I published was a call for engaging society members in some group action. It didn’t get any response or feedback, so I let it go.
Jacobsen: What are some of the sources of humour found in megalomaniacs?
El Husseini: They threaten you sometimes with things they obviously cannot do, or things they can do but it will only hurt them back. They tend to be illogical and contradictory too. They cannot think that they can be wrong in any way. All of that make them say things or in act in ways that render them as objects of humor to me.
Jacobsen: What seems like the source of the emotional, verbal, and logical deficits in megalomaniacs?
El Husseini: It is mainly their failure at assessing their own abilities, and overestimating them, that make them think that they are perfect at their current level and that they don’t need to learn more nor to add any more skills to their arsenal.
Jacobsen: You stated, “I was also fond *at the time* of I.Q. tests, and high I.Q. communities were a source of tests and puzzles of a rare and high quality.” [Emphasis added.] Why the loss of interest in I.Q. tests?
El Husseini: Excellent I.Q. tests are rare. There exist few that show up now and then, which I usually participate in. Otherwise, I try to find interesting and new challenges elsewhere.
Jacobsen: Balanced intelligence seems probably most important for a satisfying life of the highly intelligent person. Community or a social circle is one facet of balance. How do you get the sense of balance out of the Glia Society? Does this seem similar for most others in the communities inasmuch as these exist?
El Husseini: A balance exists between opposites. Highly intelligent people are not necessarily anti-social, but many of them may not find a lot of people that they can befriend. I.Q. societies exist to bring such people closer to each other. The funny thing is that in such societies, there exists a diversity in philosophies and views which may oppose each other, requiring therefore a new kind of balance between them.
Jacobsen: Some efforts exist to bring everything under the same roof, as networked or associative efforts to unify the entire front of the high-IQ. In some ways, this makes sense. In another sense, a diverse ecosystem of independently evolving communities can make a more interesting and variegated tapestry of the highly intelligent. In fact, this may make more sense, as these individuals seem more prone to independence of thought and small collectives may be the trade-off between individualism implied by independence of thought, in general, and collectivistic impulses with an instinct to socialize. What do you think about these efforts?
El Husseini: I have seen a couple of those attempts, none of which seems to achieve its goal, most likely due to the owner(s) of such groups or the participating societies. I personally think that intelligent people who just want to socialize do not need a private group to do so. One may find a good companion or partner with people who have very different levels of intelligence. Some other people get attracted to their opposites. For those reasons, I do not see that collective communities were a success.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: October 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-3; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anas El Husseini on Private Forums, Email Newsletters, Journals, Common Elements, Apps, Megalomaniacs, Thoth, and Balanced Intelligence: Member, Glia Society (3)[Online].October 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-3.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, October 1). Conversation with Anas El Husseini on Private Forums, Email Newsletters, Journals, Common Elements, Apps, Megalomaniacs, Thoth, and Balanced Intelligence: Member, Glia Society (3). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-3.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Anas El Husseini on Private Forums, Email Newsletters, Journals, Common Elements, Apps, Megalomaniacs, Thoth, and Balanced Intelligence: Member, Glia Society (3). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, October. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-3>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Anas El Husseini on Private Forums, Email Newsletters, Journals, Common Elements, Apps, Megalomaniacs, Thoth, and Balanced Intelligence: Member, Glia Society (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-3.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Anas El Husseini on Private Forums, Email Newsletters, Journals, Common Elements, Apps, Megalomaniacs, Thoth, and Balanced Intelligence: Member, Glia Society (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (October 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-3.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anas El Husseini on Private Forums, Email Newsletters, Journals, Common Elements, Apps, Megalomaniacs, Thoth, and Balanced Intelligence: Member, Glia Society (3)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-3>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anas El Husseini on Private Forums, Email Newsletters, Journals, Common Elements, Apps, Megalomaniacs, Thoth, and Balanced Intelligence: Member, Glia Society (3)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-3.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Anas El Husseini on Private Forums, Email Newsletters, Journals, Common Elements, Apps, Megalomaniacs, Thoth, and Balanced Intelligence: Member, Glia Society (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):October. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-3>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anas El Husseini on Private Forums, Email Newsletters, Journals, Common Elements, Apps, Megalomaniacs, Thoth, and Balanced Intelligence: Member, Glia Society (3)[Internet]. (2020, October 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-3.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,565
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Richard May (“May-Tzu”/“MayTzu”/“Mayzi”) is a Member of the Mega Society based on a qualifying score on the Mega Test (before 1995) prior to the compromise of the Mega Test and Co-Editor of Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society. In self-description, May states: “Not even forgotten in the cosmic microwave background (CMB), I’m an Amish yuppie, born near the rarified regions of Laputa, then and often, above suburban Boston. I’ve done occasional consulting and frequent Sisyphean shlepping. Kafka and Munch have been my therapists and allies. Occasionally I’ve strived to descend from the mists to attain the mythic orientation known as having one’s feet upon the Earth. An ailurophile and a cerebrotonic ectomorph, I write for beings which do not, and never will, exist — writings for no one. I’ve been awarded an M.A. degree, mirabile dictu, in the humanities/philosophy, and U.S. patent for a board game of possible interest to extraterrestrials. I’m a member of the Mega Society, the Omega Society and formerly of Mensa. I’m the founder of the Exa Society, the transfinite Aleph-3 Society and of the renowned Laputans Manqué. I’m a biographee in Who’s Who in the Brane World. My interests include the realization of the idea of humans as incomplete beings with the capacity to complete their own evolution by effecting a change in their being and consciousness. In a moment of presence to myself in inner silence, when I see Richard May’s non-being, ‘I’ am. You can meet me if you go to an empty room.” Some other resources include Stains Upon the Silence: something for no one, McGinnis Genealogy of Crown Point, New York: Hiram Porter McGinnis, Swines List, Solipsist Soliloquies, Board Game, Lulu blog, Memoir of a Non-Irish Non-Jew, and May-Tzu’s posterous. He discusses: a favourite Zen koan; other ethical system formulations; different formulations of the Golden Rule; the ‘religion’ of the Dalai Lama; crossing the other side of the river in Buddhism; “Thought without measurement”; “In Praise of Stupidity”: wisdom and compassion; preventing intelligence levels reaching averages too high; “Know Thy -”; “Ideologies”; “ideologies” in general labelled “a secular theology of lies”; “Real plolitik among the Laputan Taoists”; “Utopia”; “Understanding”; men don’t understand their wives; “Prolegomena To Any Future Obfuscation”; the “reality of existence and the existence of reality” have no “single relationship”; reality and polyamory; metaphysicians; and stage magicians.
Keywords: G.I. Gurdjieff, IQ, koan, Marxism, May’s Razor, Mega Society, obfuscation, prolegomena, Richard May, Stains Upon the Silence, Zen.
Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Zen Koans, Stupidity, Ideologies, Taoism, G.I. Gurdjieff, Marxism, and May’s Razor for Obfuscation: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (3)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Side question before starting today, what is a favourite Zen koan for you, or two?
Richard May[1],[2]*: My favorite Zen koan is: “What is a favourite Zen koan for you, or two?” Another favorite Zen koan of mine is: “Why is reality so ahead of its time in its polyamorousness?” — In general I think one koan is as good, i. e., ‘useful’, as another. I don’t think I have favorites.
“What is the taste of Braille shadows?” is a koan of my own invention.
Jacobsen: We talked a bit about ethical systems in the second session. What other ethical system formulations make sense to you?
May: The negative formulation of the “golden rule.”
Jacobsen: There are different formulations of the Golden Rule. There can be trotting out of the Golden Rule as if only a Western concept, or only a Christian idea or Jesus Christ’s idea. These are Western and Christian conceits inasmuch as we know and can comment on them within the backyard with the noisy, barking dog of the world. The Golden Rule has been stated as positive, as negative, as neutral. What other formulations, specifically, of the Golden Rule make sense to you?
May: The negative formulation of the golden rule, which is the same in Judaism (attributed to Hillel the Elder) and Confucianism. (The positive formulation which is close, but not as logically excellent, is attributed to Jesus. “Do unto others … ”)
I.e., “Do *not* do to others what you would not want them to do to you.”
This is what Hillel supposedly said to a gentile in the ancient world when asked to explain Judaism to him while standing on one leg!
From Wikipedia:
He is popularly known as the author of two sayings: (1) “If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And being for myself, what am ‘I’? And if not now, when?”[4] and (2) the expression of the ethic of reciprocity, or “Golden Rule“: “That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn.”
Jacobsen: What is the ‘religion’ of the Dalai Lama regarding ethics, and science for that matter?
May: TheDalai Lama says that his religion is *kindness*, i.e., compassion for all sentient beings. He also said that if any tenet of Buddhism is inconsistent with modern science, then Buddhism must change. Once when asked at a lecture what happens to our consciousness after death the Dalai Lama stood in silence for three or four minutes.
Jacobsen: What is crossing the other side of the river in Buddhism, and then discarding the proverbial raft?
May: After you cross to the other side of the river, i.e., attain enlightenment or liberation from the illusion of personal identity, you should discard the raft, i.e., Buddhism. Atheist and neuroscientist Sam Harris seems to have an understanding of Buddhism and the human situation. Buddhism also maintains that everything is transient and, hence, one day there will be no Buddhism.
Jacobsen: In “Thought without measurement,” you echo Wittgenstein about the relation of comedy and great philosophical works. Why?
May: No, I have not echoed Wittgenstein but reversed him!
Wittgenstein wrote: “A serious and good philosophical work could be written consisting entirely of jokes.”
Whereas I wrote:
Thought without measurement
A hilarious comedy could be written consisting entirely of serious and good philosophical works.
Here I meant that philosophy ends where measurement begins. The domain of philosophy is diminishing historically as scientific knowledges increases
Jacobsen: “In Praise of Stupidity” speaks to the “primitive species” homo sapiens. The species that works in the destruction of one another in tribal warfare and of the environment sustaining its livelihood, not too bright in other words. You speak to the possible evolutionary function of relative stupidity. In that, a highly intelligent species, relative to the present, would probably self-annihilate, where lower mean intelligence of the species leads to a higher probability of surviving in the Darwinian world of nature. You point to an evolution of human intelligence beyond human compassion and wisdom. What seem like the drivers for an increase in intelligence beyond human compassion and wisdom?
May: Natural selection during inter-species competition found little utility in what we call, “compassion and wisdom.” A predator should not feel compassion towards his prey. But the development of weapons of mass destruction by any species on any planet, e.g., Homo sapiens on Earth, would be a game changer. Planets are bio-cultural Petrie dishes in the universe. To get from a Type-0 civilization to a Type-1 civilization or beyond will require much less intra-species self-cannibalism. Only some unknown percentage of ‘advanced’ civilizations would graduate from a Type-0 civilization to a Type-1 civilization. Some don’t make it out of their Petrie dishes.
Jacobsen: How are you defining wisdom and compassion here, as counter-forces to raw intelligence?
May: I’m not sure how to define “wisdom.” Apparently wisdom is traditionally identified by a consensus of individuals who are not considered wise by themselves or others.
Jacobsen: What is preventing intelligence levels reaching averages too high and leading to a greater potential to use the proportionate lack of wisdom and void of compassion to destroy the species, as we head into a self-scorched Earth scenario?
May: Social services and medicine in the modern Western world have produced a dysgenic breeding pattern. I do not imply that I think we ought to abandon social services and modern medicine. But only that social engineering and medicine can and often do have unintended consequences. The ‘absolute IQ’ is probably lower today than it was in ancient Greece, for example. Aldous Huxley mentions that in *Brave New World Revisited*.
But what is the purpose of intelligence and human intelligence in particular? Just to enable the organism to survive, eat, live long enough to produce offspring, who survive, eat, live long enough to have offspring, who survive, eat, live long enough to have offspring, who – – – . After reproduction and some nurturance of one’s offspring, just drop dead. This is Nature’s program for us.
The purpose of human intelligence is not to develop a unified field theory, a Theory of Everything or cosmological theories. Such theories are not necessary for “survive-eat-reproduce-die DNA-replication machines” developed by natural selection.
Cosmology may be beyond the pay grade of Homo sapiens as presently evolved. Just as various threshold levels of IQ, i.e., an approximate range of scores, are associated with different human occupations and professions and every known species has obvious limits of cognitive ability, why would Homo sapiens as presently evolved be an exception to this? Pure anthropocentrism — man is considered by himself to be the center of the universe and the crest jewel of the cosmos, and without inherent cognitive limits as a species.
Many individuals with high IQs today apparently believe that they can do cosmology and theoretical physics without any graduate degrees in physics, as Newton and others did hundreds of years ago; maybe, but maybe not. In my view even credentialed cosmologists and theoretical physicists may not really be doing cosmology today. E.g., String theory, M-theory and Hugh Everett’s Many Worlds hypothesis may only be beautiful mathematical-metaphysics, if none are experimentally disconfirmable. If a theory cannot be disconfirmed experimentally, how can it be considered physical science?
Why do very high levels of theoretical intelligence even exist? Why has this level of intelligence evolved? Albert Einstein didn’t have more progeny than Genghis Khan or Attila-the-Hun. He was vastly less ‘successful’ from an biological evolutionary perspective.
Unless you think we are “images of (some sort of) ‘God’,” images of something at a higher level, maybe holographic images of the cosmos or that the Hermetic principal “As above, so below” applies somehow in ‘our’ universe, then why is there intelligence beyond the eat-replicate-die level?
Until or unless Homo sapiens takes control of its own evolution at a biological-level and an AI-level, by gene-editing/genetic engineering and brain implants a la Yuval Noah Harari, we are basically Chimps with WMDs; we are Koko the gorilla at the Princeton Institute for Advanced Studies.
Jacobsen: In “Know Thy -,” you state, “I don’t know anything until I see myself announcing it on television.” How long have you been playing the part of Socrates?
May: You apparently assume that Socrates was not playing the part of May-Tzu by reverse causality from his future event-horizon, a la M.I.T.’s Seth Lloyd.
Actually “Know thy -” was intended as humor. It was inspired by a certain well-known political leader who, when asked when he had learned of this or that event, claimed that he only learned of it by watching television. So I took it a bit further by writing that “I don’t know anything until I see myself announcing it on television.”
Jacobsen: “Ideologies” speaks to a few points. One on preferable values compared to those that aren’t. What makes “freedom, peace and prosperity” preferable to “their absence or negation”?
May: Our paleo-mammalian brain and cerebral cortex seem to have innate preferences. Other species of animals also appear to seek ‘prosperity’ and freedom as innate positive reinforcers as well.
Jacobsen: Why are “ideologies” in general labelled “a secular theology of lies”? What would make an ideology not a “convenient lie” and more truth than merely “a bit of truth”?
May: Ideologies are secular in that they are not usually theocentric or claimed to be direct revelations from the God of the Bible — quite. Ideologies have in common with theologies that they are not empirically based. You can postdictively interpret history through an ideological lens but you cannot do controlled experiments to test and potentially falsify ideologically-based predictions.
“What would make an ideology not a “convenient lie” and more truth than merely “a bit of truth”?”
If an ideology were philosophy or science, rather than an tendentious admixture of disinformation and truth, a reality-map intended to influence or control our behavior, then it would be more objective and useful to its adherents.
Jacobsen: “Real plolitik [sic] among the Laputan Taoists,” you exhibit the Taoist philosophy, and the paradoxical way of thinking about the different parts of the world, almost like an inverted thinking into redundancy to make a not-so obvious point seem obvious, as a form of education. What is Taoist reasoning or logic, inasmuch as it exists (or not)? What is, perhaps, a better title for it?
May: The following principles and theorems taken from https://phiyakushi.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/seven-principles-of-the-order-of-the-universe-and-twelve-theorems-of-the-unifying-principle/ summarize Taoist principles:
SEVEN PRINCIPLES OF THE ORDER OF THE UNIVERSE
- All things are differentiations of One Infinity
- Everything Changes; nothing is stationary
- All antagonisms are complementary
- All phenomena are unique; there is nothing identical
- All phenomena have a front and back
- The greater the front, the greater the back
- All phenomena have a beginning and an end
TWELVE THEOREMS OF THE UNIFYING PRINCIPLE
- One infinity manifests itself into the two universal tendencies of Yin and Yang; complementary and antagonistic poles of endless change.
- Yin and Yang are arising continuously out of the ceaseless eternal movement of One Infinite Universe.
- Yin appears as centrifugalilty, Yang appears as centripetalilty. The activities of Yin and Yang together create energy and all phenomena.
- Yin attracts Yang. Yang attracts Yin.
- Yin repels Yin. Yang repels Yang.
- Yin and Yang combine in an infinite variety of proportion, creating an infinite variety of phenomena. The strength of attraction or repulsion always represents the degree of difference or similarity.
- All phenomena are relative and ephemeral, constantly changing their direction towards more Yin or more Yang.
- Nothing is solely Yin or absolutely Yang. Everything is created by both tendencies together.
- There is no neutrality; either Yin or Yang is always dominating.
- Great Yin attracts small Yin. Great Yang attracts small yang.
- Yin, at the extreme point, changes into Yang. Yang, at the extreme point, changes into Yin.
- Yang always focuses towards the center. Yin always diffuses toward the periphery.
“Realpolitik Among the Laputan Taoists,” is a better tittle for it. The irony between the meaning of realpolitik and the description of the Laputa Taoists ought to be clear.
Jacobsen: For “Utopia,” is this a recipe for the ‘leadership’ of the current administration of the United States with a particular disability of ill-calibrated ego and grand greed?
May: No, it is a play on the Marxist dictum: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.“ —> From each according to his disability, to each according to his greed. — Think Venezuela!
Jacobsen: “Understanding” perfectly exemplifies a big issue of the major religions of the world. Any further ‘issues’?
May: “Understanding” applies to the revealed Abrahamic religions, each of which claims to have the final, complete and perfectly understood ‘revelation’ of the One-and-Only-One True God. The only exception to this is the Baha’i religion, in which revelation is considered to be an ongoing process.
Jacobson: Also, why don’t men understand their wives so much, even not at all?
May: I think a person cannot understand another person beyond his own level of self-understanding. G.I. Gurdjieff wrote that understanding was the arithmetic mean of knowledge and being. Being was defined as the average level of attention of the individual, not his level of attention at any given moment, and his genetic hardwiring.
Jacobsen: “Prolegomena To Any Future Obfuscation” poses this question to no one, “What is the relationship between the reality of existence and the existence of reality? Your answer: Plural, “…in N-valued logic there may be gradations or degrees of existence and/or non-existence, a quantized set of values approaching a continuum as its limit. Ideally in this case the continuum mapped upon various topological structures in N-dimensional hyperspace, in order to maximize the degree of lucidity of the obfuscation.” This then leads to a statement on parsimony or (William of) Ockham’s Razor: “…entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily.” You posit “May’s Razor,” or, “Words should not be simplified unnecessarily.” How does May’s Razor apply, in particular, to metaphysics?
May: This writing was satire, inspired by the incomprehensibly obscure writings of an individual on one of the high-IQ lists. “Words should not be simplified unnecessarily,” because someone may grasp what you are talking about and be able to refute it.
Jacobsen: Why is reality simply a ‘plural relationship,’ or where the “reality of existence and the existence of reality” have no “single relationship” and, in fact, have “multiple relationships”?
May: This was all meant as satirical humor.
Jacobsen: Why is reality so ahead of its time in its polyamorousness? [Ed. Play on the phrase “multiple relationships” regarding the “reality of existence and the existence of reality.”]
May: Is this a koan?
I don’t quite understand how “reality could be … ahead of it’s time,” even a smidgen, let alone “so ahead.” What this could possibly have to do with amorousness, poly- or otherwise, must be one of the deep mysteries.
Jacobsen: Why are metaphysicians prone to super-overcomplicated-complexifications of ideational-concepts about extra-meta-super-reality?
May: “Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language.” — Ludwig Wittgenstein
Jacobsen: Are stage magicians like Penn & Teller, and James Randi, better than metaphysicians because they explain the trick and in straightforward terms (with an entertaining presentation)?
May: “better”? — “because”? — “entertaining”?
A magician could make this question disappear, but would the essence of the question still remain?
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Mega Society; Co-Editor, Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: October 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-3; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Zen Koans, Stupidity, Ideologies, Taoism, G.I. Gurdjieff, Marxism, and May’s Razor for Obfuscation: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (3) [Online].October 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-3.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, October 1). Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Zen Koans, Stupidity, Ideologies, Taoism, G.I. Gurdjieff, Marxism, and May’s Razor for Obfuscation: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (3). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-3.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Zen Koans, Stupidity, Ideologies, Taoism, G.I. Gurdjieff, Marxism, and May’s Razor for Obfuscation: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (3). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, October. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-3>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Zen Koans, Stupidity, Ideologies, Taoism, G.I. Gurdjieff, Marxism, and May’s Razor for Obfuscation: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-3.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on “Stains Upon the Silence”: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (October 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-3.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Zen Koans, Stupidity, Ideologies, Taoism, G.I. Gurdjieff, Marxism, and May’s Razor for Obfuscation: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (3)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-3>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Zen Koans, Stupidity, Ideologies, Taoism, G.I. Gurdjieff, Marxism, and May’s Razor for Obfuscation: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (3)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-3.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Zen Koans, Stupidity, Ideologies, Taoism, G.I. Gurdjieff, Marxism, and May’s Razor for Obfuscation: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (3).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):October. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-3>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Zen Koans, Stupidity, Ideologies, Taoism, G.I. Gurdjieff, Marxism, and May’s Razor for Obfuscation: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (3) [Internet]. (2020, October 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-3.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 26, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
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Words: 443
Keywords: Humanist Society of Zimbabwe, Takudzwa Mazwienduna, Zimbabwe, Zimbabwean Secular Alliance.
Ask Takudzwa 10 – Getting Things Going, Anticipated Difficulties[1],[2]
Takudzwa Mazwienduna is the informal leader of Zimbabwean Secular Alliance and a Member of the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe. This educational series will explore secularism in Zimbabwe from an organizational perspective, and more. He is a friend and former boss at the now-defunct Cornelius Press in South Africa.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What will be the next stage of the difficulties as humanist become more noticed in Zimbabwe?
Takudzwa Mazwienduna: There is probably going to be backlash from Christian organizations that have political ties. We came across a newspaper article about us soon after we started participating in religious radio shows. It described us as Satanists who wanted to turn the country upside down and such backlash us only going to intensify from now.
Jacobsen: How can all freethought communities in Zimbabwe gather together in solidarity?
Mazwienduna: It wouldn’t take much except for resources and planning to gather all the free thought communities.
Jacobsen: Solidarity and mass activism is a basis for shifting some of the dial with the changes in the policymaking, political, and legal landscape as a basis for the prevention of discrimination. If you had one big funding ask from the international community of freethinkers, what would it be? How could they fund or provide backing for such an initiative?
Mazwienduna: It would be awesome to receive support from the wider international free thinking community. Funding for awareness campaigns and community sensitization on secular issues and raising civic awareness especially with regards to our secular constitution will come in handy.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Takudzwa.
Mazwienduna: It’s always a pleasure Scott!
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 26, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ask-takudzwa-10-getting-things-going-anticipated-difficulties.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
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Individual Publication Date: September 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
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Words: 3,496
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
His Lordship of Roscelines, Graham Powell, earned the “best mark ever given for acting during his” B.A. (Hons.) degree in “Drama and Theatre Studies at Middlesex University in 1990” and the “Best Dissertation Prize” for an M.A. in Human Resource Management from the University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England in 1994. Powell is an Honorary Member of STHIQ Society, Former President of sPIqr Society, Vice President of Atlantiq Society, and a member of British Mensa, IHIQS, Ingenium, Mysterium, High Potentials Society, Elateneos, Milenija, Logiq, and Epida. He is the Full-Time Co-Editor of WIN ONE (WIN-ON-line Edition) since 2010 or nearly a decade. He represents World Intelligence Network Italia. He is the Public Relations Co-Supervisor, Fellow of the Royal Society for the Encouragement of Arts, Manufactures and Commerce, and a Member of the European Council for High Ability. He discusses: a different tone; “Biofeedback” by Gwyneth Wesley Rolph, and Mastermind: How to Think Like Sherlock Holmes by Anna Konnikova; “A Brief History of IQ Tests” by Thomas J. Hally; “Feedback on ‘Atheism’….” by Dr. Claus D. Volko; “The Lost Child” by Therese Waneck; “Another Friend Dies From AIDS” by Beaux Clemmons; “As I Recall” by Hally; “A festive poem” and “The Challenge”; “Gödel and the Limits of Computability” by Volko; “Epigrahams” and “The Editor’s Anagdoku”; “X-Test Solutions Finally Revealed!” by Marco Ripà; Alan Wing-Lun published “About ‘Codin’ Code Al Coda’”; “Theme from Love, Injury, Fear, Embarrassment.”
Keywords: giftedness, Graham Powell, United Arab Emirates, WIN ONE, World Intelligence Network.
Conversation with Graham Powell on Issue X of “WIN ONE” with Gwyneth Wesley Rolph, Anna Konnikova, Thomas J. Hally, Claus Volko, Greg A. Grove, Therese Waneck, Beaux Clemmons, Manahel Thabet, Karyn Huntting Peters, Marco Ripà, and Alan Wing-Lun: Co-Editor, “Phenomenon” (9)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Issue X set a different tone than the previous issue of WIN ONE. It opens with the quote, “To the tranquil mind, flowers are great friends, radiating beauty without recourse to words.” Why this quote or statement for this particular issue? Who owns the quote? You note the problems inherent in the issues of the early 21st century with some turbulent times while also acknowledging the benefits in the ease of travel for in-person discussions within members of the meta-society known as the World Intelligence Network. How important was the tenth issue to get right? Once more, you solo edited. What is the workload in terms of hours and level of effort per issue, as the size and scale of the issue began to stabilize?
Graham Powell[1],[2]: Yes, Scott, this Edition took on a new ‘voice’, I think this a corollary of the meeting of minds at the 12th Asia-Pacific Conference on Giftedness, plus the fact that I was in Al Ain at the time, an Emirate that is part of the United Arab Emirates. In the heat of the desert, the mood was reflective. Usually I was walking to the Internet Cafe in temperatures above body temperature. I reflected on the beautiful flowers at my home in Sardinia – the quotation is my own. It was a struggle to get this edition finished, especially as many of the inclusions arrived late, so, yes, repeated treks to the internet cafe took some pluck as the hours ticked by and the deadline got closer and closer. There is a mood in this edition of discussion and, I think, a little remorse; there is poetry and an artistic intensity that is greater than in previous editions. I wanted everything to be right, yes, despite the challenges. The world was in the middle of an economic meltdown and the effects on people’s daily lives were coming through. There is always a kind of backwash to the wave of macroeconomic hardships, which is tough to bear. It strikes homesteads across the world and this was being reflected on people’s faces. I put in a great deal of effort for this edition too, having time to do that, but also because it was the beginning of an era whereby people had other things to concentrate on. Much of this edition came from friends, or via my own hand. I had just met Gwyneth Wesley Rolph (prior to going to the Emirates) and that was great. I am pleased that she has now realised her potential and is pursuing what, at that time, was a dream. Her research on intelligence and related neurophysiology reminds me of the work by Rex Jung, who I admire greatly.
Jacobsen: “Biofeedback” by Gwyneth Wesley Rolph covers the issue of biofeedback as a research topic. The article provides some grand claims about health benefits and the forms of equipment used for the biofeedback, e.g., EMG or electromyography, temperature or thermal feedback, galvanic skin response training, heart rate variability training, neurofeedback through the EEG or electroencephalogram, and others.[3] Does biofeedback still seem reasonable as a practice and valid as a tool for self-knowledge and awareness? You reviewed Mastermind: How to Think Like Sherlock Holmes by Anna Konnikova (Dr. Maria Konnikova) in “A book review.” She writes about the fictional personhood of Holmes. His personality, abilities, and how this ties to modern psychological research with some reference to the work of Professors Mahzarin Banaji and Anthony Greenwald by you. The most important point, or takeaway for me, comes from the way in which Holmes focused on a goal to filter information, as a means to solve problems before him, as per “Peter Gollwitzer’s 5 Goal-orientated Behaviour traits.” Sections included mindfulness and motivation, interpretation of the world as the world, the DMM or default mode network, the importance of common sense found through deduction or, more properly, induction/abduction described as “systemised common sense,” and knowledge of self. You gave an enthusiastic review of Mastermind: How to Think Like Sherlock Holmes. What was some feedback on the text since the publication of the review? How has Dr. Konnikova’s career progressed?
Powell: Interesting that you ask about this, Scott, because I am involved in neurofeedback at the moment, a new adventure that has taken me back to Dubai. It is, indeed, just that: feedback. In my work, there’s low electrical input, mainly just sensors. People undergoing the feedback monitor their responses alongside the technician and they are ‘rewarded’ via a notification system. This reward system is decided upon via consultation. I have undergone some of the light and sound sessions and it is effective. I have found that my sleep patterns have returned to a healthy rhythm, with theta waves being emitted more than previously. As such, I think the three main goals espoused by Gwyneth are being met: I self regulate, know more about how the brain is functioning, and I am taking the results into my everyday life. I have a hunch that the other forms of biofeedback can have similar effects, hence Gwyneth’s three, generic goals.
As for Maria Konnikova Hamilton (her full name), her writing career has progressed and she has produced several books of note, her latest book resulting in her becoming a gambler in casinos. She is about to move on from that, but, unfortunately, due to a certain amount of fame, she has distanced herself from me these days, so I don’t know in what direction she is about to go.
Jacobsen: “A Brief History of IQ Tests” by Thomas J. Hally talked about the history of low range and normal range testing, and high range testing, of general intelligence with a tip of the hat to Paul Cooijmans, Ron Hoeflin, Robert Lato, Laurent Dubois, Mislav Predavec, Jonathan Wai, Kenneth Ferrell, Jeff Leonard, Jason Betts, and Ivan Ivec. Of course, noting, the test scores do not define the person and the HRT test creators remained all men at the time. This may stay the same into the present. However, as a caveat, as a singular trait pervading aspects of an individual’s life, access to joining societies, access to contribute to and write in journals, and the like, the test scores, at minimum, define part of the person, if defined in an extended sense of “person” as in an extended relational self. What are the issues of high range tests from the most serious to the trivial? What are the benefits of high range tests over low range and normal range tests? How do the politics and personalities of the HRT world impact the dynamics of the societies, the development of tests, and so on? If someone donates money to a high IQ society and to the career of an individual within the HRT world, and if one exists as a member of a society in which a test developer uses individuals for the purpose of increasing the relevant sample size of the tests in development, do these amount to financial conflicts of interest and other forms of conflict of interest? How do these considerations impact the legitimacy of the creation of some tests and some societies in the 3-sigma and higher world of the high IQ?
Powell: Okay, let us break this down, then push people in a direction to learn more. A fundamental issue is said to be the lack of people to provide data, though the current world population is 7.8 billion, which statistically indicates the possibility of at least one person having an IQ of 201, SD16. One in 7.2 billion reach that score. It also equates to one in nearly a million scoring 176 SD 16, (1:982,001), so a quantitative sample of at least 7,385 is possible. This poses the following problem: from where can we find these people? I think a more serious consideration is: how many of these people wish to participate collectively? Having spoken face to face with one such person, the related anecdotes don’t bode well for these people to interact. A further example is an article by Michael Ferguson, who calls them ‘The Inappropriately Excluded’. In a previous round, I cited Hollingworth’s research and the issues of the isolationism of a group which would now, utilizing Gaussian distribution IQ scores, be considered to have an IQ score of around IQ 159 SD 15, or above. Ferguson also refers to this. Generally, the HRTs may identify certain people, but my knowledge about the interactions which take place at the very high IQ level, does not make for pleasant reading. That’s the ‘trivial part’.
As for conflicts of interest, attempting to identify and further research and data collation is necessary. If there is a monetary gain in doing that, I provisionally say that it is fine. In the end, individuals have a choice about whether to participate, or not. At the IQ societal level, I don’t think the funding of individuals occurs very much, at least not due to particular membership of a society. Rather, members of the very exclusive societies can make themselves available for exceptional research and development work – if they so desire. It’s a vicious circle for them, really: the opportunities are there, if they want to run the gauntlet of what may seem banal. As stated before, in the end, many of the plethora of tests are not sufficiently tested to be both reliable and verifiable. In the end, I’m not sure how beneficial all this is to these people anyway. Other factors in life are more important than an IQ score.
Jacobsen: “Feedback on ‘Atheism’….” by Dr. Claus D. Volko provided a short retort to the eighth issue article by Phil Elauria. His critique focusing on the non-need to move to multi-valued logic where classical binary logic suffices to resolve proposed problems in logic. Any thoughts on the retort by Dr. Volko? “The Writer’s Dilemma” by Thomas J. Hally provides an implicitly amusing frolic on the nature of writers, literacy, mathematicians, and other intellectual types. In “Juggler of Day,” a poem by Emily Dickinson, accompanied pictorially by Dr. Greg A. Grove, we discover a new fact: Dr. Grove’s synesthesia or cross-talk between senses. “Emily Dickinson Eats Out” by Dr. Grove was a charming little piece. You wrote “Meeting In-flight.” Where was this a trip towards at the time – other than someone’s lips? Or was this more of an imaginary production? “Not Quite Carbon Copies” by Hally is a delightful, and humorous, observation-bound poem on sex and gender dynamics in general. What made this poem stand out to you? “The Lost Child” by Therese Waneck put forth a one-word poem, in a way, which brought to mind, “Cooked.” What words and images come to mind for you, in this poem? “Dying Dawns” by Waneck brings the sorrow known to and expressed by many elderly friends to me, in intimate conversations. What does this poem evoke for you? “Renewal” by Hally brings forth a strangely depressing but hopeful tale of reflection on the generation and the hope for the metaphysical and spiritual – “transformation” – in spite of the flaws, failures, and follies of the generation. I am ambivalent on an emotional judgment of this piece. What do you think, feel?
Powell: I tried to encourage feedback on the pieces in the magazine, so Claus-Dieter’s was a welcome inclusion within this edition. I recognized the logical sequence that Claus-Dieter proposes, though I had to liaise with him on it at that point in time. It was a steep learning curve for me, so rewarding too. One of the joys of editorship is learning along the way. A curious aftermath was the fact that Phil Elauria took a course in Computer Programming and it is at the core of his career path now, though I’ve no idea if this intervention by Claus-Dieter made Phil consider entering that job sector. All I do know is that Phil is proving successful in his new job.
As for Doctor Grove and his synaesthesia, I knew about it and indeed took part in an experiment involving art. Greg loves music by Scriabin, whose atonal scale was influenced by synaesthesia. Greg also loves the poetry of Emily Dickinson, hence the artwork. Greg would make a fascinating person to interview.
The Meeting In-flight poem is a modern version of Meeting at Night by Robert Browning, though I must confess that it is also based on a real-life experience in Izmir, Turkey. I think Tom Hally and I share a poetic interest in these facets to life, though I am perhaps more of a romantic. That comes out in Renewal, too. Tom is more sardonic in his outlook.
Therese Waneck’s poems always entreat me. Like Emily Dickinson’s, they are bijou expressions, yet pierce to the core. I love Therese’s work.
Jacobsen: “Another Friend Dies From AIDS” by Beaux Clemmons portrays a moving depiction of loss, of death and coping, and moving on, once the shock disappears. Clemmons, as a Christian, comes to confront an apparent injustice with anger at purported love for his Creator. Doubt, anger, and a generally pissed off demeanour seeps through portions of the text, understandably. In a seriocomic stance, Clemmons pretends God is imaginary, not present, and remains unconvinced of the view here in the thought experiment too, which belies a certain agnosticism, implicitly. Clemmons ends on a re-invigoration of strength by putting the feelings to text. What stood out about this piece to you?
Powell: Beau (his actual name) is a devout Christian who I’ve known and, indeed, assisted sometimes for a few years, now. This piece arrived as I was walking through around 45 degrees centigrade to publish the magazine from the internet café in Al Ain. It was a heartfelt piece, one which clearly made Beau question many aspects to life, his sexuality, his beliefs, the seemingly unfair judgement that is bestowed upon us at times. I had to go back through the scorching heat to add his article. Beau expressed that he had to let the emotions go and was keen that I help him by publishing the piece. I think it was a cathartic experience for him, which these occasions often require, whatever your belief.
Jacobsen: “As I Recall” by Hally opens with the psychological knowledge of the most prominent memories tending to be emotional ones. Although, Professor Elizabeth Loftus’s, from the University of California, Irvine, memory research may buffer direct statements about this, especially in regards to Rich False Memories, for example. Hally’s focus is “arousal” and “valence” and “mood” as integral to strong, detailed, and lasting memories. A wonderful, concise, and effective summary of memory research to this point, at an intermediate level. Does educational material, as opposed to that which requires some interpreting, become more easily accepted into the journal? You wrote “A festive poem” and “The Challenge,” which provided some mental food for thought. “WIN Meetings” provide some further context of the relationships between executive members of WIN with visits to Dubai in April and June of 2013 with pictures of Dr. Thabet, Dr. Katsioulis, and Dr. Karyn Huntting Peters. How were the subsequent meetings in person with Drs. Thabet, Katsioulis, and Peters? What have been fruitful dialogues since that time?
Powell: I think people like to learn, yes. I also did a little research and high IQ people are not interested in doing puzzles within magazines. I didn’t realize that at the time, but it seems to be a prevailing viewpoint.
On a different tack, I was pleased to make the interactions of WIN members evident visually, which had been done in an earlier WIN magazine, G2G Manifest. There was quite a lot of interaction while I was in the Middle East, so it was a great opportunity, in that respect. The three WIN members that you cite are at the epicentre of my high IQ experience, even to this day. We continue to change the world, I am sure, in a positive manner.
Jacobsen: Dr. Volko wrote “Gödel and the Limits of Computability.” In it, he describes the ways in which the two incompleteness theorems – 1) incomplete and consistent, or complete and inconsistent and 2) consistent systems cannot be proven consistent within their own formalities – describe the limits of computability. Any further thoughts on the incompleteness theorems for you? Any known additional theorems adjunct to these two theorems? What do these theorems appear to mean for computability and human computation? What stands out about Dr. Volko’s material over the years? “Epigrahams,” clever as well as entertaining as a word, connects to “The Editor’s Anagdoku.” What inspired the tying of these together? Also, what is the image behind the text, the background picture?
Powell: I think you would do best to ask Claus-Dieter about the theorems and the lasting nature of his work. The magazine is largely a snapshot of intellectual considerations at certain moments in time. As I said before, my real-life interactions with the people you mentioned previously are more significant to me now and take up a great deal of my time. The results of that will become clear, I am sure. Please watch the media.
Regarding the Epigrahams, I have kept a journal since April 1983. The Epigrahams were a collection of epigrams from those journals. As I hinted near the beginning of this interview, in the desert, reflections on matters often bring quite original thoughts, with neologisms, if you will. I like anagrams and I also enjoy writing the occasional Sudoku, so some of the anagrams and a Sudoku combined to produce the Anagdoku. The picture behind the text (the watermark) I don’t recall now, though I am sure it is an engraving which is redolent of the work of William Blake, so it is a hark back to the cover of Edition VI, which was very much styled on Blake’s Songs of Innocence.
Jacobsen: “X-Test Solutions Finally Revealed!” by Marco Ripà pulled a first with the exposing and exposition on the solutions to an IQ test developed by the test creator himself. Not too much commentary here in the question other than the unique laying out the solutions to problems on an IQ test, as if Penn & Teller. Any thoughts on the prospect of benefiting from the practice of HRT with provision of the solutions for an educational purpose? You did accept and publish the article after all. Then there were some individual images of famous mostly dead smart people for consideration as parts in a puzzle inside the issue as a whole. Alan Wing-Lun published “About ‘Codin’ Code Al Coda’” in response to the ‘composing’ (I was a bit loose in the language before, sorry, and so partially wrong, in a prior interview part) of the puzzle and the literal zero correct responses sent in about the puzzle, in spite of a competition placed for it. He ends, humorously, on a quote by Oscar Wilde stating, “I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.” What comes to mind when a puzzle remains so difficult for the international high IQ community that no correct solutions come into the creator of the puzzle until after a competition and not during?
Powell: I remember that a couple of the items in Marco’s test had been compromised, by unscrupulous people either asking for the answers, or by giving the items as puzzles to solve, thereby gaining insight via other people offering solutions, or by actually giving the solutions. Marco was getting frustrated about this, as one can understand, and he decided that he would submit all the answers and put his X Test into IQ-testing history. We also moved on, with another type of test. It is computer generated and changes each time a person decides to take the test. It was a bold move by Marco and Gaetano Morelli, with a small contribution by me towards the end of the project – what was really a consideration of the best practical way to administer the test, though I did check the workings of it too.
Jacobsen: You composed “Music: ‘Theme from Love, Injury, Fear, Embarrassment’.” Then comes a rapid succession of solutions to puzzles throughout the issue. If you had to guess, how many readers look to the solutions before solving the puzzle? How many get them right on the easier puzzles and on the harder puzzles (excluding the one with zero solutions)?
Powell: As I mentioned before, generally, it seems that high IQ people are not interested in puzzle solving when reading online magazines. Occasionally, people compliment me on the ingenious nature of the puzzles, but I sense that less than 1% of readers do them. The lack of solutions submitted for Alan’s conundrum I feel validates my point. As a point of further interest, the music you cite was composed in 1988 for my play Love Injury Fear Embarrassment, which was performed at the Betchworth Festival, Surrey, England, that autumn.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Graham.
Powell: It was a pleasure, Scott.
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Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Co-Editor, “Phenomenon” (World Intelligence Network).
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/powell-9; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
[3] “Feedback,” in full, states:
Biofeedback can be used for a variety of purposes, including, but not limited to, the alleviation or reduction of anxiety and stress, muscle tension, high blood pressure, asthma and other breathing difficulties, irritable bowel syndrome and other disorders of the digestive system, temporomandibular joint disorder, back problems, chronic pain, headaches and migraine, insomnia, major depressive disorder, heart disease, diabetes, chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia.
It can be used by medical doctors, chiropractors, mental health practitioners, dentists and other healthcare providers in conjunction with existing standard health treatment plans, or by specialist biofeedback providers to assist clients with various conditions.
Rolph, G.W. (2013, August 5). Biofeedback. Retrieved from www.iqsociety.org/issues/WIN_ONE_10.pdf.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Graham Powell on Issue X of “WIN ONE” with Gwyneth Wesley Rolph, Anna Konnikova, Thomas J. Hally, Claus Volko, Greg A. Grove, Therese Waneck, Beaux Clemmons, Manahel Thabet, Karyn Huntting Peters, Marco Ripà, and Alan Wing-Lun: Co-Editor, “Phenomenon” (9) [Online].September 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/powell-9.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 22). Conversation with Graham Powell on Issue X of “WIN ONE” with Gwyneth Wesley Rolph, Anna Konnikova, Thomas J. Hally, Claus Volko, Greg A. Grove, Therese Waneck, Beaux Clemmons, Manahel Thabet, Karyn Huntting Peters, Marco Ripà, and Alan Wing-Lun: Co-Editor, “Phenomenon” (9). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/powell-9.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Graham Powell on Issue X of “WIN ONE” with Gwyneth Wesley Rolph, Anna Konnikova, Thomas J. Hally, Claus Volko, Greg A. Grove, Therese Waneck, Beaux Clemmons, Manahel Thabet, Karyn Huntting Peters, Marco Ripà, and Alan Wing-Lun: Co-Editor, “Phenomenon” (9). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/powell-9>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Graham Powell on Issue X of “WIN ONE” with Gwyneth Wesley Rolph, Anna Konnikova, Thomas J. Hally, Claus Volko, Greg A. Grove, Therese Waneck, Beaux Clemmons, Manahel Thabet, Karyn Huntting Peters, Marco Ripà, and Alan Wing-Lun: Co-Editor, “Phenomenon” (9).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/powell-9.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Graham Powell on Issue X of “WIN ONE” with Gwyneth Wesley Rolph, Anna Konnikova, Thomas J. Hally, Claus Volko, Greg A. Grove, Therese Waneck, Beaux Clemmons, Manahel Thabet, Karyn Huntting Peters, Marco Ripà, and Alan Wing-Lun: Co-Editor, “Phenomenon” (9), “Phenomenon” (9).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/powell-9.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Graham Powell on Issue X of “WIN ONE” with Gwyneth Wesley Rolph, Anna Konnikova, Thomas J. Hally, Claus Volko, Greg A. Grove, Therese Waneck, Beaux Clemmons, Manahel Thabet, Karyn Huntting Peters, Marco Ripà, and Alan Wing-Lun: Co-Editor, “Phenomenon” (9)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/powell-9>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Graham Powell on Issue X of “WIN ONE” with Gwyneth Wesley Rolph, Anna Konnikova, Thomas J. Hally, Claus Volko, Greg A. Grove, Therese Waneck, Beaux Clemmons, Manahel Thabet, Karyn Huntting Peters, Marco Ripà, and Alan Wing-Lun: Co-Editor, “Phenomenon” (9)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/powell-9.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Graham Powell on Issue X of “WIN ONE” with Gwyneth Wesley Rolph, Anna Konnikova, Thomas J. Hally, Claus Volko, Greg A. Grove, Therese Waneck, Beaux Clemmons, Manahel Thabet, Karyn Huntting Peters, Marco Ripà, and Alan Wing-Lun: Co-Editor, “Phenomenon” (9).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-3>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Graham Powell on Issue X of “WIN ONE” with Gwyneth Wesley Rolph, Anna Konnikova, Thomas J. Hally, Claus Volko, Greg A. Grove, Therese Waneck, Beaux Clemmons, Manahel Thabet, Karyn Huntting Peters, Marco Ripà, and Alan Wing-Lun: Co-Editor, “Phenomenon” (9) [Internet]. (2020, September 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/powell-9.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 25.A, Idea: Land of Fire and Ice: Islandia, Snelandia, and Insula Gardari (1)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,346
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Sigurður Rúnarsson was born in Iceland in 1974 and works as a humanist officiant for both Siðmennt (The Icelandic Ethical Humanist Association) since 2013 and HEF (The Norwegian Humanist Association) from 2015. He was on the board of HEF in Drammen and Lier (Norway) local affiliate and served as a board member alternate for Buskerud county affiliate in Norway. He now lives in Oslo, Norway, but works both in Iceland and Norway. He discusses: a global, internationalist outlook on the world in Iceland; young people talk about religion; gender equality part of the erosion of religious traditionalism; tourism; the sensibilities of Iceland; the humanist community in Norway; the humanist community in Iceland; become a humanist officiant; a humanist ceremony; intriguing requests and outcomes for some humanist ceremonies; and final feelings or thoughts.
Keywords: Humanism, Iceland, Norway, Siðmennt, Sigurður Rúnarsson, The Norwegian Humanist Association.
Conversation with Sigurður Rúnarsson on Norwegian and Icelandic Humanism: Humanist Officiant, Siðmennt/The Icelandic Ethical Humanist Association & The Norwegian Humanist Association
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I went to Iceland last year in the Summer. All light during the day; mostly light-ish during the night with pubs and bars open until 4:00 am or later – completely baffling and incomprehensible to a North American and, as I was told by Europeans, to Europeans. Also, a super gender-equal country by most metrics, as I found out based on conversations with many Icelandic women and looking at the real statistics. The public opinion matches the statistical rankings of gender equality – truly a remarkable achievement. How does this gender equality and openness of the people and tourism create the basis for a global, internationalist outlook on the world in Iceland?
Sigurður Rúnarsson: We have been going from Christian opening hours to more normal humans [Laughing]…
Jacobsen: …[Laughing]…
Rúnarsson: …opening hours for restaurants and bars. So, that’s what really has been happening in Iceland for the last 30 years because we have been so tightly connected to the church, the state church. We cannot have restaurants, bars, and clubs open on Good Friday. We cannot have them open on Easter Day, and so on. Because we have been very tightly connected with the Christian religion and the church. So, to address that, it is the state furthering itself from the Christian values in many ways. Because when I was younger, we had to close at 2 o’clock or 3 o’clock. But it is getting longer and longer opening hours for the clubs. Things are changing. We are distancing ourselves from the religion.
Jacobsen: How is this influencing the way young people talk about religion?
Rúnarsson: In Iceland, and, actually, in Norway too, young people do not talk that much about religion. They’re not very connected with religion. Until, it comes to the age of about 14 years old, when they are supposed to be confirmed. Religion, for young people, if that’s the question, is not something people talk about or practice in Iceland. So, in many ways, it is like a private club somewhere in the background. There are some people practicing the religion. But many people who are doing that; they are doing this very privately. They don’t boast about it, don’t tell others about, even if they go to young Christian camps, which we still have. It is not very much spoken about. People don’t talk about it in school. It is a private thing. It is getting more and more unusual or special to be very religious in many ways. Young people try to steer away from talks.
Jacobsen: I want to focus on gender equality too. Because most religions through most of the last several thousand years have had an emphasis on not being fair or equal to women. Iceland, according to the World Economic Forum, has been the most gender-equal country in the world for many years, probably almost a decade straight. Obviously, this is a conscious move and affects culture. I can give a personal example. When I was in the pubs in Iceland, it was a common and casual thing: if a guy likes a gal, he buys her a drink, which is normal in North America and expected, but the reverse was also the case. If a girl liked a guy, she would buy him a drink. So, it was less a gender thing and more, “Do you like this person? Do you make an offer to them?” It was different. Is gender equality part of the erosion of religious traditionalism?
Rúnarsson: I think the short answer is, “Yes.” I think the long answer is, “Women don’t want to be owned anymore.”
Jacobsen: Right.
Rúnarsson: They don’t want to be in debt or get the feeling that they owe a man something because of all of the drinks. I think we have come so far in equality in Iceland. It is not about religion anymore. It is about the independence of the woman. The women, they are exactly the same free spirit as men. They can do what they like with their mind, body, and soul. They can have boyfriends and lovers. They can choose to buy a guy a drink. They don’t owe anybody anything. This is more to do with the independence of the woman. In the last years with the Me Too revolution, but it started much sooner in Iceland, women went out and fought for equal pay. They fought for an equal pension. All of those things. We have gone through them for the lost 30 or 40 years. You are seeing something today at the bars; a process that has been boiling for 40 or 50 years in Iceland. You are seeing very strong, independent women who take matters into their own hands. They go by the Iceland women’s strong spirit. Definitely, Iceland women possess it.
Jacobsen: At the University of Iceland bookstore, one of the gentlemen behind the counter recommended a book to me. I think it was called Independent People. I did buy it. It was by Laxness.
Rúnarsson: [Laughing] By Halldór Laxness, yes, winner of the 1955 Nobel Prize in Literature.
Jacobsen: I was told this was the most famous or prominent late/deceased author in Iceland. He told me, “This particular author really got the heart of what Iceland is, Icelandic people are, truly about.” I think it goes right to the point that you’re making in terms of the evolution over the last 30 to 40 years of independent people.
Rúnarsson: Yes.
Jacobsen: That really encapsulated a lot of my experience there. It really did.
Rúnarsson: I think, without being a book critic, and I have read this book, but not in recent years, that he is writing about how the men and the fathers control everything. In the book, in a clever way, he is talking about how the mothers and the women control a lot without it being at the forefront. So, women’s equality, he is dipping his toe into it. This is very early, the last century. So, he is, actually, describing the beginning of women’s evolution or revolution. I think, in many ways, Iceland as in other countries, like in Africa, and so on, the mothers have always controlled things a lot, e.g., the ‘big mommas’ or whatever you call this – when the mother controls the home, the food, the food supplies, the children, and the men are more outside working. This is very early 1920 to 1935, where this book is written and taking place in Iceland in the early 20th century. You can probably see this in the book. But I don’t have the details. This is starting there. I don’t know if this is the same feeling that you get. When we Icelanders read it, we definitely see a man writing the book. But he is definitely talking about how the mothers and grandmothers are teaching their children and grandchildren how to do their job, how to do the work of the farm, even speaking the Icelandic language correctly.
Jacobsen: Fishing still is a big, but was a much bigger, part of the economy.
Rúnarsson: Fishing hasn’t really reduced in the last 50 years. But we have had other export industries that have grown bigger. Fishing is as big as it was before. But we have had other IT, medical, and, of course, tourism, starting to be bigger than fishing export. Fishing is, definitely, as big as before. At least, we are catching as much cod as before. We have had other technological advantages, as well as tourism being much bigger in Iceland than it was.
Jacobsen: How about tourism? Is this a big industry and a way in which there’s an internationalist view of the world, but by Icelanders?
Rúnarsson: I don’t think so. I really don’t think so. I think Icelanders are very well informed. They watch a lot of foreign TV. We have always watched TV in the original language and with text instead of dubbing. We have seen a lot of TV from the States. We have seen a lot of TV from the UK. We have seen a lot of TV from the Nordic countries, from Germany. We are very well informed about international politics. I am not sure how big the tourism industry has done for us. I think this comes from within the Icelandic soul and from within the Icelandic culture. We’ve always been explorers in many ways. Before, we got a lot of our international information from Denmark because Denmark used to be our mother country until 1944. We had a Danish crown over us until 1944 in the Second World War. Copenhagen used to be our capital city. That’s just in recent years. For example, with my grandparents, they remember that. So, before, we got all the information from Scandinavia, mainly from Denmark. After the information revolution, we started to see Sky News, CNN, and Al Jazeera. We have Icelandic News Television. In many ways, we are interested in the world. We have always looked for information. We have never been closed in our small country.
Now, I am talking about the last 30 years. Before, we only got the information from the capital city of Copenhagen in Denmark. In the last 50 years, we’ve been educating our students abroad. We sent them to universities; or, they have chosen to go to universities abroad. They go on to academic teaching and working, e.g., doctors, historians, and whatnot. We are very interested in what’s happening in the world. We have always, some percentage of us, been up to date in everything in international politics. For example, let’s just say, India, everyone was watching what was happening when she was running for office or Putin when he was going from the presidency to be the prime minister and from being prime minister to being president. We were always watching international politics, of other countries. Let’s not forget the States, we are very interested in what happens in the States, in the pre-caucuses, and have been for many years. So, tourism is only expanding in the last 10, 15, or 20 years. I don’t think that we get our information from tourists or because of the tourists. I think we started much earlier doing that.
Jacobsen: What do you consider the sensibilities of Iceland that are easily aligned, now, with Humanism? What values of Iceland are similar to the values of Humanism?
Rúnarsson: I think, in many ways, my previous answer to the interest with international things, international politics and discussions, are also a primer to this. In many ways, we are very taken by technology, very taken by science in everything, of course, nature, and religion. You could say, “Where science deepens the theories of Christianity,” for example, “about the Earth, the weather, the plagues, medicine, and many things.” So, I think when you have a nation, which is much better than before. People start to wonder, “Why are we believing in a book – Bible (New Testament, Old Testament)?” It is just storybooks, like Hansel and Gretel. It is just storybooks. After they grow up, you could say; they grow out of this – we call it – “children’s belief in God.” Somehow, the children believe in God, but not the parents. But the parents allow them. I think many parents have, in many ways, relaxed about it. Because the parents found out when they grew up. They just went away from this religious belief and thing. Children, somehow, do this when they get older. I think the answer is that people are aligning with the humanist take on life, the human, and the world – the mind, science, not least all the beautiful things in the world like music and art. We have a relaxed attitude against everything.
The humanists in Iceland are not very extreme. They take part in public talks about the church and religion, but not very extreme. They do a lot of services to the people or to their congregation. They do naming conventions, confirmations (coming of age), weddings and do funerals. They are providing these essential services and ceremonies to the people, where people can relax and go on with, if you can say, a typical ceremony without the burden of religion. I think, in many ways, Iceland started the humanist revolution in Iceland with – we call it – “a citizen confirmation,” where a 14-year-old girl. What do you call this in English, “Coming of age”? Many people were enlightened. They didn’t need to go through the church system or back to the church. Their parents hadn’t been in their church for many years. A part of the success of the humanists in Iceland and the reason that people are aligning with them is that they have a relaxed attitude against procedures and religion. But they are still doing ceremonies in a way that the people want to have them done. Siðmennt humanists have taken a position in some cases on assisted death, opening hours of public places that I mentioned at the beginning of the interview – opening hours of restaurants and bars, how we are not able to play Bingo on Friday and such.
They have been trying to take part in public discussions and telling the governments to relax a little bit with the old law that banned this and that on Easter days and Christmas days. For example, there are not many years since we weren’t allowed to have restaurants open on Christmas Day. Then we had already started Christmas trips to Iceland for foreigners. We have had problems finding a restaurant for travellers.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Rúnarsson: Because out of religious belief, we are not allowed to be open on Christmas Day, Long Friday, and Easter Day, and so on. So, it was very strange, very old-fashioned thinking. We needed to correct it; and, we did. So, it is much better now. The humanists have been taking a lead in some or, actually, many of the discussions, where rules and regulations are still built on church rules or religious rules. I think humanists are aligned with the thinking of many people in Iceland. I think that’s part of the magic that has happened with the humanists in the later years.
Jacobsen: How is the humanist community in Norway?
Rúnarsson: The humanist community in Norway is big and well known amidst the Norwegian people. The Norwegian Humanist Association has, as of 2018, over 90,000 members registered in the organization.
Jacobsen: How is the humanist community in Iceland? How do these two compare to one another?
Rúnarsson: In March 2007 a giant step towards this goal was taken when Baard Thalberg, one of the leaders/trainers at the Norwegian Humanist Association’s ceremonies service came and held a training program for Icelandic celebrants. The course was aimed primarily at training celebrants for secular funerals but also covered baby namings and weddings. Of the 10 Icelanders who undertook this training, 6 of them became the first official Siðmennt celebrants when our ceremonies service was inaugurated in May 2008. Siðmennt has run several training programs in recent years and now has 25 celebrants.
Jacobsen: How does one become a humanist officiant?
Rúnarsson: I got to know of humanist ceremonies through my upbringing in Reykjavik. Siðmennt – the Icelandic Ethical Humanist Association was founded in February 1990, a year after a group organized the first coming of age education program or civil confirmation (Icel. borgaraleg ferming) in Iceland.
Even though, I did not take part in their ceremony; I always found this new approach to teenagers fascinating and heard of many that went through their course.
Later, Siðmennt started offering celebrant for civil funerals and weddings. And it was in 2010 that my brother and his fiancée where married in a humanist ceremony at Geysir in Iceland by a humanist celebrant on behalf of Siðmennt.
In 2013 I was working at a funeral home as a funeral director as I hade done from 1990 when I was 16 years old in my family business.
That year we got surprisingly many requests for funerals without priests or a church being involved. We arranged for that and some ceremonies were conducted by a humanist celebrant and somewhere just conducted by us, the funeral directors and family member. After this experience, I contacted Siðmennt and met with them. I signed up for the course they were starting for new humanist celebrants in the fall of 2013 and graduated a few months later with a diploma and a license from the Icelandic government, arranged for by Siðmennt as a registered secular life stance organization, to officiate weddings. The following week I got my first chance to conduct a funeral for a woman and soon after that, I had my first naming convention for a young girl. This was the start of my career as a humanist officiant both in Iceland and Norway.
I’m still doing humanist ceremonies today. 2019 was a very busy year for me as I conducted over 20 humanist ceremonies in Iceland and Norway, both wedding and naming conventions, where over 70 children got a name. 2020 is already looking to be the busiest as I have 10 weddings already booked until Christmas 2020.
More ceremonies will follow, but naming ceremonies in Iceland tend to be booked with very short notice.
The custom in Iceland for naming ceremonies is to hold one ceremony for every child, and they are either held in the home of the parents or family member or in a small venue like a hotel or community halls.
In Norway the procedure is different. There the parent’s book in advance on one of the prearranged naming convention days of one of the local branches of the Human-Etisk Forbund (The Norwegian Humanist Association) and up to 10 children are joined with parents and family in a public ceremony in one of the community halls.
Jacobsen: What makes a humanist ceremony aligned with the principles of Humanism? What are the necessities and negotiables of humanist ceremonies?
Rúnarsson: People can choose ceremonies, which are purely secular or those which also contain Humanistic values. Our naming conventions do not involve inducting the child into our life stance organization, the way baptism involves induction into a religious organization. Siðmennt discourages people from enrolling babies and children into life stance organizations until the age of 16. For this reason, our civil confirmation program does not require joining Siðmennt and is open to everyone. Neither our naming conventions nor our confirmations require any oath or commitment to follow any leader or accept any dogma, as is done in Christian confirmations.
Siðmennt supports human dignity, human rights, and a broad-minded diverse secular society.
Jacobsen: What have been some intriguing requests and outcomes for some humanist ceremonies?
Rúnarsson: The vast and changeable nature of Iceland, the venues in Iceland, the clothes we the celebrants wear. Standing on a stone or a cliff, near bubbling volcanic waters and blue lagoons, the gazing wind, the rain and snowstorm, performing and conducting the ceremonies in sync with the magnificent nature and unpredictable and ever-changing weather.
Over 50% of weddings conducted by Siðmennt, in 2019, was for foreign citizens travelling for the sole purpose of getting married there. Many of them only travel alone and have nobody from their family or friends circle.
Jacobsen: Any final feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Rúnarsson: Many of the things that I have already said also apply with Norway. I think, in many ways, this is Scandinavian thinking. Of the four Nordic countries, Denmark and Sweden have not gone as far as Iceland and Norway. So, but there is more to be done in this part of the world, the humanists in Scandinavia and the Nordic countries need to work more together and put pressure on governments to relax in the same way that the governments in Norway and Iceland have done. That’s probably my special take on the matter because I worked in Norway and Iceland.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Sigurður.
Rúnarsson: Sure! You can find more information here: https://Siðmennt.is/english/history/.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Humanist Officiant, Humanist Officiant, Siðmennt/The Icelandic Ethical Humanist Association; Humanist Officiant, The Norwegian Humanist Association.
[2]Individual Publication Date: September 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rúnarsson; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Sigurður Rúnarsson on Norwegian and Icelandic Humanism: Humanist Officiant, Siðmennt/The Icelandic Ethical Humanist Association & The Norwegian Humanist Association[Online].September 2020; 25(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rúnarsson.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 22). Conversation with Sigurður Rúnarsson on Norwegian and Icelandic Humanism: Humanist Officiant, Siðmennt/The Icelandic Ethical Humanist Association & The Norwegian Humanist Association. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rúnarsson.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Sigurður Rúnarsson on Norwegian and Icelandic Humanism: Humanist Officiant, Siðmennt/The Icelandic Ethical Humanist Association & The Norwegian Humanist Association. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rúnarsson>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Sigurður Rúnarsson on Norwegian and Icelandic Humanism: Humanist Officiant, Siðmennt/The Icelandic Ethical Humanist Association & The Norwegian Humanist Association.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rúnarsson.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Sigurður Rúnarsson on Norwegian and Icelandic Humanism: Humanist Officiant, Siðmennt/The Icelandic Ethical Humanist Association & The Norwegian Humanist Association.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rúnarsson.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Sigurður Rúnarsson on Norwegian and Icelandic Humanism: Humanist Officiant, Siðmennt/The Icelandic Ethical Humanist Association & The Norwegian Humanist Association‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rúnarsson>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Sigurður Rúnarsson on Norwegian and Icelandic Humanism: Humanist Officiant, Siðmennt/The Icelandic Ethical Humanist Association & The Norwegian Humanist Association‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 25.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rúnarsson.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Sigurður Rúnarsson on Norwegian and Icelandic Humanism: Humanist Officiant, Siðmennt/The Icelandic Ethical Humanist Association & The Norwegian Humanist Association.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 25.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rúnarsson>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Sigurður Rúnarsson on Norwegian and Icelandic Humanism: Humanist Officiant, Siðmennt/The Icelandic Ethical Humanist Association & The Norwegian Humanist Association[Internet]. (2020, September 25(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rúnarsson.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
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Abstract
This is an interview with Glia Society Member 479. They discuss: growing up; an extended self; the family background; the experience with peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences; important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; some social and political views; the God concept or gods idea; science; some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: 479, Paul Cooijmans, Glia Society, intelligence, IQ.
Conversation with Glia Society Member #479: Member, Glia Society (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
*Minor corrections based on interviewee request.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Glia Society Member #479[1],[2]*: Given the nature of the interview, I cannot say too much about that. I do recall some interesting episodes involving adultery or extrasensory perception.
Jacobsen: Have these stores helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
#479: No, not really. I think of myself as an individual person and feel little need to submerge my identity into a kin-group.
Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
#479: Middle-class WASP-y.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
#479: My only response to this is that I never had a girlfriend in high school and I am still pissed off about that.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
#479: If you’re referring specifically to my hobby taking high-range tests, then the purpose is that they’re fun to solve and give me insight into my own mental ability profile. More generally, intelligence tests can be useful clinical instruments for assessing one’s cognitive functioning, and provide insight into intelligence itself, which is the most important thing that can be studied. One might call it meta-science, for it is the brain researching itself.
Also, high-range tests will be very useful for quantitative directional selection once I finally get around to starting that Pacific island eugenics program with a bunch of kidnapped National Merit Scholars.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
#479: I hit most of my developmental milestones early, so I guess you could say that it was discovered in toddlerhood, if you define high intelligence by age-peer norms. I think that’s disingenuous, though, so I’d have to say when I qualified for Mensa, significantly surpassing the entry requirement on the supervised test battery that they gave me. I later gained deeper insight into my mental ability profile with high-range tests, particularly those of Paul Cooijmans.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
#479: I don’t have a comprehensive answer to this question, but what I do know is that geniuses inherently tend to promulgate views which contradict some societal or institutional dogma, e.g., Galileo. That probably explains most of it.
Also, I can’t confidently confirm or deny your assertion that many geniuses alive today seem camera shy without knowing whom you consider geniuses. That is the sort of observation which I am unwilling to accept based entirely on a secondhand opinion. In any case, I think there are extremely few true geniuses alive today, possibly because the sciences, each straining in its own direction, have advanced so far that the barrier for a single person to make a revolutionary contribution is exceedingly high. Besides myself, of course, we probably only know the names of a few.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
#479: I suspect that there have been people throughout history who would now be considered amongst the greatest geniuses in history, if only they had been recognized as brilliant or otherwise experienced different life circumstances. This would include myself, of course.
Restricting our universe of discourse to well-known geniuses, and ranking them by their intellectual productivity rather than hypothetical potential, Isaac Newton is almost certainly at the top. Second place would probably go to Albert Einstein, and then third to Carl Gauss. Other people near the top include Leonhard Euler, John von Neumann, Nikola Tesla, and Dmitri Mendeleev.
As for tremendous intellects who have received relatively little public notice, but whom I have been lucky enough to discover, I would like to draw attention to Paul Erdős (a borderline case in terms of fame), Stanisław Lem (author of the most eloquent and profound fiction I have ever read), and Chris Langan (a disagreeable person, but a misunderstood intellectual).
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
#479: That’s nearly an apples-to-oranges comparison, and somewhat like asking what differentiates an extremely tall person from a top basketball player. To succeed in the NBA, one is practically required to be uncommonly tall, but beyond that, yet greater height brings diminishing returns, while other factors like work ethic, physical strength, and aiming ability become increasingly relevant.
I concur with Arthur Jensen and Paul Cooijmans that exceedingly intelligent people are actually less likely to become geniuses than are people of somewhat lower, but still very high, intelligence. I have observed that people whose intelligence I judge as extremely high, both inside and outside of the high-I.Q. world, tend to be almost depressingly normal, and therefore lack the mixture of non-cognitive personality traits required for genius. This is vaguely analogous to how the tallest people in the world, like well over 7 foot (2.13m) usually don’t excel in sports, since they suffer from chronic mobility problems. The tallest man alive, Sultan Kösen, relies on crutches to ambulate.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
#479: I am currently attending a well-regarded university, majoring in a STEM field. For reasons of privacy, I would rather not say more.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
#479: I don’t have much to say about this that hasn’t already been said elsewhere, so I won’t. I refer the reader who is interested in these topics to the articles on Paul Cooijmans’ website.
What I would like to point out is that, for a highly intelligent person, perhaps the greatest thing about living in a society which emphasizes personal responsibility and economic independence is that they can make half of an effort and still succeed. If they actually apply themselves as much as regular people, or more so, then life will certainly roll out the red carpet for them.
Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
#479: My interest is almost totally detached from contemporary politics. Ephesians 6:12 somewhat applies here, although we fight against flesh and blood simultaneously with principalities and powers. Different political ideologies purport that they can solve our problems by organizing humans in certain ways, but the quality of a structure is bounded above by its constituent material. “Oh ye seekers of perpetual motion, how many chimeras have you pursued in vain? Go and take your place with the alchemists.” That line from Leonardo da Vinci would hold true after “perpetual motion” is replaced by something like “social justice” or “collective happiness.”
The only way to induce permanent, significant, positive change in society is by altering the invisible hand of psychology, which underpins human behavior. One might call it psychohistory or one might call it cliodynamics, but the point is the same: human societies are subject to long-term behavioral trends, which are opaque to everyone or almost everyone, and which may be impossible to observe at smaller scales. For instance, old people like to complain about how “kids these days have no work ethic,” which is a common source of intergenerational conflict (“ok boomer”), and they’re largely right. That’s mainly because relatively recent increases in labor productivity, made possible by modern technology, have made people’s lives easier. When you make it so that people are wealthier, can have more fun in their free time, and don’t need to input as many hours of labor to generate the same output, then don’t be surprised when they don’t want to work as much as people used to!
Some kind of genetic improvement of humanity is necessitated, to improve average intelligence and other traits. The details of how such an initiative is to be implemented are, unfortunately, left to the reader. But do consider how many people died under Communist regimes. If a bunch of dirty reds can shift the demographics so hugely, we can do it too! Also, better nutrition will improve intelligence in malnourished populations, with iodine supplementation probably being the best route for that. The egalitarian taboo of discussing group differences in intelligence has actually harmed those populations by making it politically incorrect to address the root cause of their problems, which is low I.Q. Yes, indeed, imagine how good UNICEF could do with just a few dropships full of iodized salt.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
#479: I am an avowed atheist, insofar as theism concerns belief in the deities supposed by popular contemporary religions. However, I do have idiosyncratic beliefs about what I associate with “God,” if only because my atheism leaves a void in my personal share of the collective unconscious where religion would normally go. I believe in absolute truth, the fundamental interconnected monism of all things physical and aphysical, and the potential for humanity to transcend itself through technological singularity. I presume that many people would associate each of these things with “God,” or at least ascribe quasi-divine attributes to them, but I reject that as mere poetic metaphor. Nonetheless, “God” is a convenient referent for them, and therefore what I shall adopt in the forthcoming summary of my metaphysical para-religion.
The below explanation is rather long and difficult, so here’s the TL;DR version: Math exists because it can’t not exist. Groups of mathematical truths, through some unknown mechanism, give rise to an objective reality. Groups of physical objects, through some unknown mechanism, give rise to consciousness.
Now, for the longer version:
[begin dissertation]
Everything, everything under everything and everything over everything, is an absolute monad, whose universe of discourse may for the purpose of explanation be separated into three teleogically disjoint essences. At the root of this structure is mathematics, the domain of propositions which are independently and indisputably true, and therefore monopolize the aseity required for an uncaused cause, serving as axioms for the cosmos and thereby sidestepping arguments from universal causation. Note that “mathematics,” as used in this context, refers to logical structures which occupy some imperceptible realm which I have termed “infospace,” and therefore does not necessarily describe a collection of structures which is bijective to those mathematical structures which are known to humans. We only know them, and perhaps can only know them, by abstract descriptions of their properties, not specific designations or descriptions of the structures within this complex. The collection of propositions which underlie the nomos, and thereby permit the instantiation of the cosmos and nous, may be finite, or it may be infinite; it may include mathematical structures with which we are familiar, or it may be not; it may be possible to identify them as discrete propositions in order to study their emergent phenomena and determine what demarcates truths which exert influence from infospace from truths which exist only as symbolic constructs, or it may not.
Physics is the second level of the existential hierarchy, emanating from the propositions which reside in infospace. It provides a medium through which the atomic propositions can interact with each other and thereby coalesce into novel entities, like a primordial soup catalyzing the acquisition of form beyond what infospace can provide. As Wittgenstein said, the world is all that is case. Note that “physics,” in this context, is not equivalent to the usual understanding of physics in the scientific sense, nor is it necessarily limited to our perceptions of the physical universe. I use “physics” to denote any objective reality which possess properties beyond those of infospace but does not experience qualia.
Consciousness is the third level, and probably the highest. Like propositions somehow engender an objective external reality, physical objects can somehow combine to create qualia. We must accept this without asking how. Although we may eventually discover which collections of physical states give rise to conscious agents, I am nearly certain that the underlying mechanism cannot be empirically determined, even in principle. If it can be determined at all, then it will have to be done through analysis of the absolute truths in infospace themselves, wherein all the secrets of the universe reside. In a poetic sense, that is perhaps the fundamental teleology of the pleroma: to create conscious minds capable of reasoning about metaphysics and thereby let itself be known.
If that hypothetical teleology turns out to be more than a poetic metaphor, then perhaps it gives us hope for an afterlife, whereupon we shall be freed from the boundary layer imposed on us by the Demiurge of physics, and therewith sublime into infospace ourselves, entering into a Gnostic paradise of eternal life and unlimited knowledge. “O, let not the pains of death that come upon thee enter into my body. I am the god Tem, and I am in the foremost part of the sky, and the power which protecteth me is that which is with all the gods forever.” But I wouldn’t count on it.
A counterintuitive remark which I must make for the sake of logical completeness is that physics may not exist at all, in which case the three-layer hierarchy could be reduced to mind-body dualism, wherein mathematics give rise to qualia without an intermediary layer of objective reality. Descartes’ evil demon is applicable, in that case.
Attempting to map this belief structure onto contemporary theology, I see profound parallels with the Christian doctrine of Trinitarianism, which combines a monotheistic God with multiple consubstantial “persons,” namely the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. My own mathematical “God” likewise manifests in three superficially different hypostases which reduce to the same ultimate Ein Sof. However, because the three aspects of my God are apparently hierarchical and interdependent, perhaps it is more nearly isomorphic to heresies such as Modalistic Monarchianism, with the pure apeiron emanating first from the pleroma (mathematical), and from there to the Demiurge (physical), and finally to noesis (qualiac).
[end dissertation]
That may have been difficult to read, but it’s actually full of oversimplifications and imprecise language, which I hope to remedy in a future treatment of these subjects. I am not certain of it all yet myself, and my views have continuously morphed over the past few years, even though I was nearly certain of their correctness at every point in that process.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
#479: Science is fundamentally an epistemologically untenable construct, but once you ignore Descartes’ evil demon, it’s given us Internet pornography and electric scooters, so clearly it plays an important role in the lives of most specimens of Homo sapiens, despite the widespread failure of that species’ members to live up to their taxonomy.
Oh, yes, and you all should do yourselves and favor and read about the Technological Singularity and other transhumanist topics. Eliezer Yudkowsky is worth looking into, although I don’t agree with everything he says.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
#479: My scores on good heterogeneous tests tend to cluster around I.Q. 150. I prefer not to specify further. One thing I will say, though, is that my results tend to cluster shockingly closely together, even on tests which seem to be of less than high quality. Whatever the tests are measuring, my portion of it seems to be nearly static and subject to objective analysis.
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
#479: The full range is extremely wide, spanning from about 90 to 180. However, much like the bell curve itself, they are mainly clustered around the center, with a few outliers in either direction. Again, for reasons of privacy, I would rather not say too much.
Pertaining to this discussion, I would like to mention that a characteristic shortcoming observable in discussions in the high-I.Q. world is an apparently deficient number-sense with regards to score rarity. For example, suppose you take a high-range test and score the equivalent of I.Q. 160, with a standard deviation of 15, a standard error of 1 raw score point, and (your raw score – 2) and (your raw score + 2) normed at I.Q. 158 and 161 respectively. Then your 95% confidence interval, spanning plus or minus 2 standard errors from your actual score, ranges from a rarity of 1/18,120 to 1/41,916. Three I.Q. points have more than doubled your score’s rarity! Considering that most tests have far wider confidence intervals, and that norms are unreliable at such altitudes regardless of measurement error, we can conclude that pinpointing someone’s level in mental ability relative to the general population is infeasible. Even someone who conscientiously takes many tests in order to better estimate their I.Q. with assistance from the law of large numbers will still have their results tainted by the myriad other sources of systemic bias: less conscientious or fraudulent scores disrupting norms, norms based on self-selected candidates which may not be representative of the general population, bad problems, and more. Results from psychometric tests, especially but not exclusively high-range tests, are bound by inexactitude, and whoever propounds otherwise has lost their perspective amongst the orders of magnitude. Perhaps only in astrophysics would such an imprecise measurement otherwise be taken seriously.
Ultimately, I think that exact I.Q.’s from high-range tests are meaningless. High-range testing is, at best, sufficient to place you in a relative range of intelligence. Note the two words there: relative, meaning that your exact score is almost certainly inaccurate; and range, meaning that it’s almost certainly imprecise. For instance, if your average score over many high-quality heterogeneous tests is 170, and someone else’s average score is 150, then you’re probably the more intelligent of the two. That’s all that can meaningfully be said, other than that you’re both in the hic sunt dracones region of psychometrics.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
#479: Utilitarianism, by virtue of harnessing the boreal truth of mathematics, is ultimately the only workable ethical philosophy. We must maximize the integral of total positive qualia, summed over all conscious agents in reality, from now as time goes to infinity. However, since we are limited by our agent-relative perceptions, we lack the omniscience required to apply utilitarianism. Therefore, I rather recommend a more intuitively applicable conception of ethics, combining deontology with morality and virtue ethics: Be wonderful to each other. If I have anything to say about it, which I probably don’t, that opus magnum may someday be realized.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/479-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Glia Society Member #479: Member, Glia Society (1) [Online].September 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/479-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 22). Conversation with Glia Society Member #479: Member, Glia Society (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/479-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Glia Society Member #479: Member, Glia Society (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/479-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Glia Society Member #479: Member, Glia Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/479-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Glia Society Member #479: Member, Glia Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/479-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Glia Society Member #479: Member, Glia Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/479-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Glia Society Member #479: Member, Glia Society (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/479-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Glia Society Member #479: Member, Glia Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/479-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Glia Society Member #479: Member, Glia Society (1) [Internet]. (2020, September 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/479-1.
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Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 16, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 804
Keywords: Humanist Society of Zimbabwe, Takudzwa Mazwienduna, Zimbabwe, Zimbabwean Secular Alliance.
Ask Takudzwa 9 – A Bridge for All Automobiles, A Boat for Every Passenger: Racism Between Africans and Managing Frayed Ties[1],[2]
Takudzwa Mazwienduna is the informal leader of Zimbabwean Secular Alliance and a Member of the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe. This educational series will explore secularism in Zimbabwe from an organizational perspective, and more. He is a friend and former boss at the now-defunct Cornelius Press in South Africa.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When we’re looking into the racism experienced in the history of South Africa into the present moment, as you noted, even though the ongoing progressive advancements of secularism continue, this seems like one of the more obvious examples with the whites or Afrikaaners, the mixed race or the Coloreds, the non-indigenous blacks or Blacks, and the indigenous blacks or the Khoe-San. What about less blatant forms of racism between different sociological categories, different ethnic groupings in Zimbabwe, for example?
Takudzwa Mazwienduna: I never really thought about racism until I moved to South Africa. Prior to that, racism was something I only heard about in the movies or when I read history books. South Africa on the other hand is the most racist country in the world and Apartheid was invented there, so it was very shocking when I first moved here 2 years ago. There is no racism in Zimbabwe. There is no animosity between black and white Zimbabweans and they share the same culture; something the former president Robert Mugabe is credited for through his reconciliation movement in the 1980s. There is one episode however that that looked a lot like racial tensions to the outside world because of how the media reported it: the Land reform program where farms were forcibly taken from mostly white farmers by the government. In reality, it was not a race thing as the media portrayed it, the Commercial Farmers Union had helped sponsor an opposition party and it was the Totalitarian regime’s way of getting back at them. Black owned farms were seized in the process too showing that it was not a race issue. Zimbabwe has a lot of political problems because of the totalitarianism of the ruling party, race is not one of them however.
Jacobsen: What does a humanistic and freethought worldview provide as an antidote to these tensions if they exist?
Mazwienduna: The Zimbabwean traditional culture is very humanistic in nature. Zimbabwean manners are called “unhu” which translates to “being human” which is basically the same as Humanism. Zimbabweans are famous for being polite, friendly and welcoming. It is one of the reasons why racism does not exist and even the government’s authoritarianism doesn’t inspire any significant violent backslash from the peace loving people. Notable social problems in post colonial Zimbabwe however all come from Christianity; religious bigotry, especially homophobia and misogyny being at the top of the list. Traditionalist societies without much Christian influence rarely have problems with bigotry.
Jacobsen: How can the humanist community, though scattered, provide a different narrative than those seen in the past for the Zimbabweans?
Mazwienduna: The Humanist movement can restore the essence of our peaceful culture and remind Zimbabweans that “unhu” (also called Ubuntu in East Africa) is our greatest strength and the most significant attribute of our society.
Jacobsen: How can Humanists International and other organizations, or interested individuals, provide some financial or other support to these current efforts to bring the community under a common humanist banner – without regard, but with reasonable sensitivity, to ethnic differences and probable tensions in Zimbabwe?
Mazwienduna: Humanist International and other organizations can help us with awareness campaigns. We need a louder voice to remind people that our law is secular and our culture is Humanist. Misgovernance and Christian religious bigotry make people forget that.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Takudzwa.
Mazwienduna: It’s always a pleasure Scott!
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 16, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ask-takudzwa-9-a-bridge-for-all-automobiles-a-boat-for-every-passenger-racism-between-africans-and-managing-frayed-ties.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.D, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 4,349
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anja Jaenicke is a German Poet and Actor. Beatrice Rescazzi is the President of the AtlantIQ Society. Monika Orski is the former Ordförande/Chairman, Mensa Sverige/Mensa Sweden (2015-2019) and a current Board Member (International) of Mensa International. Sandra Schlick has the expertise and interest in Managing Mathematics, Statistics, and Research Methodology with a focus on online teaching, training and thesis supervision. They discuss: true humanities; a real humanities education; a declining emphasis on humanities educations in academe; reduced import of the humanities; high-IQ societies incorporate achievements in the humanities into their admission criteria; high-IQ societies include a humanities sub-community or community into its operations for the benefit of those so inclined; some personal and professional involvements in the humanities inside of and outside of the high-IQ communities; historical geniuses; writers or poets understood more fully and portrayed more realistically girls, adult women, and elder women; striking or clear examples of the written works or poetry exemplifying this assessment; women, in general, dominate the humanities; how the particular factors play out in different areas of professional and personal life; high-IQ groups harbour more men than women; women dominate in the humanities; and a more well-rounded human being, a cultured person.
Keywords: Anja Jaenicke, Beatrice Rescazzi, education, geniuses, high-IQ, high-IQ societies, history, humanities, Mensa Sweden, Monika Orski, poets, Sandra Schlick, writers.
Women of the High-Range Discussion with Anja Jaenicke, Beatrice Rescazzi, Monika Orski, and Dr. Sandra Schlick: Actress & Poet, Germany; President, AtlantIQ Society; Board Member, Mensa International; Thesis Supervisor, University of Applied Sciences and Arts Northwestern Switzerland (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: With some preliminary introductions to one another and proposals of subject matter, we will cover, in this group discussion: the humanities in general, the arts in general, large scale issues, climate change, democratic protections, the furtherance of democracy and human rights, how to work with the gifted and to be a leader, future scenarios for the economy and business regarding the coronavirus pandemic, and then proceed with some open discussion. To the subject of humanities, if we take a look at the vast array of high-IQ societies on offer, only a few truly focus on the humanities as a secondary, even a co-primary, admission criteria to their particularized community. Defining terms, what is true humanities to you?
Anja Jaenicke[1]*: A holistic knowledge of the human capacity.
One of the most frequently asked questions is the general inclusion of theological studies into the humanities. In German the humanities are called “Geisteswissenschaft” meaning spiritual science. As long as theological studies are focused on historical, cultural and archeological evidence there is nothing to say against it. But as soon as it leaves too much room for speculations and superstition it becomes dogmatic and no longer belongs in the academic realm. But that of course can be said for every branch of scientific studies too.
Beatrice Rescazzi[2]*: If I wanted to upset the vocabulary and give my personal definition of human sciences, I imagine that someone would have to complain. Especially those who, unlike me, are experienced graduates in this subject. The human sciences are those disciplines that study the human being and society, by definition. Maybe, as a non-expert on the subject I can criticize here and there how the information is reported in the books, given that there are cultural biases on the origin and development of human societies, institutions, social relationships and the foundations of social life. In general there is a western-centric view, with biases regarding culture, race, sex, religion and language being considered predominant.
Monika Orski[3]*: I would use the rather common definition that humanities are the branches of learning that have a cultural character. Thus humanities include academic topics as diverse as literature, archeology and philosophy, to name only a few, and can be contrasted with natural sciences and social sciences.
Dr. Sandra Schlick[4],[5]*: Thinking apart literature and definitions, in times of Corona, humanity means to help each other, respect the rules from the governments – yes, in terms of taking distance, using masks, not gathering. Also, to help each other in coping with the crisis, to make kind of human information chains by reporting to each other potential risky situations and to discuss these. Thinking in a broader context, being human means to not focus just on oneself but to understand the other the context, being other humans, be it nature and animals. Humanity is driven by respect, despite role models do not suggest it always.
Jacobsen: What would be a real humanities education to you?
Jaenicke: Much of our past history and culture has been documented only by chronicle writers with a theological background. If you think about the Constitutions of Clarendon made by Henry II. Plantagenet and Thomas Becket, they were one of the first official attempts at reforming and separating the clerical and royal authorities and jurisdictions. And that was in the year 1164. Please think about how many religious conflicts and wars we had since that time. Only if we understand the history and the psyche of our ancestors can we gain knowledge about ourselves and the needs to form peaceful and free future societies.
Rescazzi: In my opinion, true social science education should give due weight to all the cultures and people who have contributed to human development, without placing ethnic groups, women or peoples in the background in order to glorify a specific model of person and culture.
Orski: Not being an expert in education, and with only graduate-level education in a small segment of the broad field of humanities myself, I don’t consider myself qualified to really suggest a curriculum. In general terms, I would suggest that it’s always good to set a broad overview to start with, then to let those interested dive into more specialized education on specifics topics.
Schlick: In education to have a view on communities and teams, to motivate exchange and to critically evaluate existing role models.
Jacobsen: Why is there is a declining emphasis on humanities educations in academe?
Jaenicke: The more knowledge is available to us the more complex it becomes. The trend in education is to higher specialization. But of course, economical reasons play a role too.
Rescazzi: I can’t pretend I know what the statistical trends are on the humanities today at the academy compared to other disciplines, and explain to you the reason why there is a decline or not.
Orski: I wish I knew… I think that in general, academia in many countries has become more of professional training institutes, which in part takes over the more general teaching of knowledge to form a base for further research. Also, a strong emphasis on industry and profits accentuates this tendency.
Schlick: Good question, academia has become more and more business alike and driven by profit. When we speak of humanity it does not exclude economics but it evaluates how far we do not damage others by thinking economically. In this context, academia is at risk to drive economics with too few perspectives on humanities.
Jacobsen: Is this reduced import of the humanities a positive, a negative, or both in different parts depending on the disciplines, in general?
Jaenicke: “Science arose from poetry, when time changes the two can meet again on a higher level as friends.” J.W. Goethe
Rescazzi: If there is a decline in humanitarian discipline students, I can assume that some other disciplines have taken over. Is the decline due to a greater participation of female students in scientific disciplines, is it due to a choice towards studies that guarantee a better salary, or to a growing lack of interest in this subject or to something else? I don’t have enough data to judge.
Orski: In general, I would say it’s a negative. But there are always limits to how much we can learn – or how much we can teach – in a set amount of time. There are sure to be cases where this general negative is less of a negative than the alternatives would be.
Schlick: As said above, a sole focus on economics might provide quick wins, but is at risk to oversee longer-term consequences.
Jacobsen: What high-IQ societies incorporate achievements in the humanities into their admission criteria?
Jaenicke: There are quite a lot of IQ societies. If you take a look, you will be surprised.
Rescazzi: AtlantIQ, ISI-S, Chorium and some other societies about writing and poetry, for example, include humanities communities. Thus, the humanities include: literature, philosophy, history, religion, languages, art history, philology, semiotics, visual arts and performing arts. I am interested in all these topics, as I always like reading to learn about everything. Specifically, I am fascinated by Stoic philosophy, by history: especially by deepening the everyday life of people and what is not found in school books (history of food, living conditions, detailed biographies, history of chemistry, history of biology, discoveries, etc.). I have also read a lot about philosophy and religions, in search of what unites and distinguishes them, but also as doors open to the mentality of different peoples. Regarding languages, in addition to English, I speak Italian, the dialect of my area, and Esperanto. Instead, I know very little German and Japanese (Hiragana only), because at times I abandon their study. I paint with various techniques, but more frequently I create computer drawings. 3D drawing is both fun and a means of creating objects which I then 3D print. As for the performing arts, I don’t think anyone wants to see me dance. Anyway, I love to sing. When I was younger, I sang in a local rock band for a little while. Once, talking to friends, I was criticizing disco music. A funny challenge arose that I would have to compose an entire CD in one day and sell at least one copy, proving that I too could write something better than those slavish sounds. That CD is called “Athmosfera” and I sold it to a fan who listened to the demos of each song before buying. Take this, bad music!
Orski: The high-IQ societies I know of only use IQ as their admission criteria, which means that no kind of achievement has any impact on the admission decisions.
Schlick: I recall some are explicitly mentioned aspects thereof, but frankly, there are a lot of high-IQ societies out there and I wonder, which ones might set the bar alongside the WIN network.
Jacobsen: What high-IQ societies include a humanities sub-community or community into its operations for the benefit of those so inclined?
Jaenicke: When I have been looking for IQ societies, I found many very appealing approaches.
Rescazzi: See my previous answer.
Orski: Well, I wouldn’t really know about the internal organization of all high-IQ societies, but Mensa, being by far the largest one, lets members create meetings and interest groups for whatever topics they are interested in, and helps promote those within the society. I know of several book clubs, philosophy discussion groups and other groups for different humanities interests. Those are open groups, and any member of Mensa can join them at any time.
Schlick: As above this question is quite specific and asks for detailed knowledge on certain communities.
Jacobsen: What have been some personal and professional involvements in the humanities inside of and outside of the high-IQ communities?
Jaenicke: Please take a look at my resume of life achievements.
Rescazzi: In the professional field, having designed some websites and graphics for a period, I could say that I have been involved in the professional field of the visual arts. In the world of high IQ, I am the editor and designer of a magazine, in which I also write articles on the most disparate topics. I am an honorary / distinguished member of some societies that include artistic and musical talents in the admission, such as Chorium and ISI-S.
Orski: I have a BA in literature, but the degree I actually use professionally is an M.Sc. in computer science and engineering, so I wouldn’t really say I have professional involvement in the humanities. However, as a published writer, including works of fiction, I guess I can claim some kind of relation to the humanities. And within Mensa, I write book reviews for the Swedish Mensa magazine and organize book club meetings with my local group in Stockholm.
Schlick: For me this is definitively in adult education where I train students. Training can only be a success when looking at the person as a whole alongside the role of the student. Talking about problems with the curriculum or topic or aims in live (private and professional) can boost motivation and is to the benefit of both, student and docent.
Jacobsen: When I ask about historical geniuses, most reference Goethe, Sidis, da Vinci, Einstein, and a handful of others, in fact, the list is a shortlist. What geniuses in history and at present stand out regarding productivity and works coming out of the humanities?
Jaenicke: Even though the humanities stand in the shadow of our modern education system, the list of great minded people in the humanities would be too long to publish in this context.
Rescazzi: In the field of music, I would certainly say Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Johann Sebastian Bach. Also: Ludwig van Beethoven, Igor Stravinsky, Claudio Monteverdi, Richard Wagner, Amy Beach, Luzzasco Luzzaschi, György Ligeti, Arvo Pärt, Krzysztof Penderecki, Barbara Strozzi. In the philosophical field there are many: Socrates, Marcus Aurelius, Jiddu Krishnamurti, Baruch Spinoza, Friedrich Nietzsche, Bertrand Russell, Confucius, Hypatia of Alexandria, Immanuel Kant, Sun Tzu, Laura Bassi, Homer, Pascal. In literature, I would mention: William Shakespeare, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Mark Twain, Imru ‘al-Qais Junduh bin Hujr al-Kindi, Sei Shonagon, Virginia Woolf, Dante Alighieri, Agatha Christie, Qu Yuan, Murasaki Shikibu. There are so many painters, I will mention just a few: Rembrandt van Rijn, William Turner, Paul Cézanne, Mary Cassatt, Tamara de Lempicka, Katsushika Hokusai, Pablo Picasso, Leonardo da Vinci, Wang Wei, Vincent Van Gogh, Lucian Freud.
Orski: The list might be a shortlist, but as genius is truly rare such a list is bound to be short. Also, I’m rather reluctant to try and make lists of the sort. However, da Vinci will qualify for a humanities focus, and I would say that so will Murasaki, and maybe Austen.
Schlick: Despite probably few like my answer, I like the humanitarian activity of Bill Gates and his wife. Just wonder, how far this question can give us an indication of role models?
Jacobsen: Since this is a discussion of women in the high-range with a male as a moderator or butler of sorts, what writers or poets understood more fully and portrayed more realistically girls, adult women, and elder women than others? Why them?
Jaenicke: Oh, there are quite a few.
Rescazzi: It depends on the historical period. Of course, Jane Austin and Louisa May Alcott painted their female characters with accuracy, although we should keep in mind that they were all women from another era. Jane Eyre, by Charlotte Brontë painted a female character who becomes an independent and spirited survivor after having grown up an orphan in a cruel environment. Unfortunately, courage is a virtue that is rarely recognized in women, but which the author shows us with mastery in the resilience of the protagonist. Another good portrait of a female character is given by Elizabeth Strout, with her Olive Kitteridge. Olive is brought to a deeper understanding of herself and her life, and she also offers profound insights into the human condition: its conflicts, its tragedies and joys, and the endurance it requires, through her own eyes.
Orski: A good literary portrait lets us see the general through the highly specific. Thus, I would be reluctant to point to portraits of women in general, but rather to specific portraits of specific women, that give the opportunity to see the world as they might see it and the limitations of those women’s lives. To mention a few writers: Selma Lagerlöf (of course I start with a Swedish classic), Charlotte Brontë, Doris Lessing, Ludmila Ulitskaya, Amelie Nothomb, Olga Tokarczuk. I could go on and on making lists.
Schlick: I confess that I did not read or write poems since my teenage times.
Jacobsen: Following from the previous two questions, any particular striking or clear examples of the written works or poetry exemplifying this assessment?
Jaenicke: One of the oldest examples is a poem in Occitan from the 11th century called “Tomida femina.”
Rescazzi: In my opinion, most of all, Emily Dickinson is the writer who, through the themes of nature, love and death, reflects and captures not only the small moments of everyday life, but also the most important themes and battles that involved the rest of the company: it is she herself who, through her great sensitivity, the emphatic digressions and elaborate metaphors of his poems, describes how a woman thinks and perceives the world. Turning to my favourite literary genre, I find that the brilliant Isaac Asimov had thoroughly understood the female soul. His female characters are delicate and profound, they are free from stereotypes and their presence in his novels is balanced, not hidden. The classic schemes in which the male protagonist is the obvious companion of a subordinate female figure, often highly sexualized and lacking in personal aspirations, do not exist in Asimov’s far-sighted novels. Asimov’s female characters are girls and women who, like men in their own way, think, dream, ask questions and seek answers. It is therefore incredible that a science fiction writer is the one who best described reality.
Orski: I think that is highly individual, depending on personal taste but also the experiences you will understand for the first time from a literary work because they are far from your own life. To reach for a nearby contemporary example, the Neapolitan novel series by Elena Ferrante, starting with the novel that got the English title My Brilliant Friend, provided me with a view into lives I could not really imagine before this reading.
Schlick: As a teenager I did like Rimbaud, Baudelaire, and of course the existentialists such as Sartre and Camus. Nowadays I do like e.g. the dark tower from Steven King.
Jacobsen: Women earn far more degrees in the humanities than men, at the baccalaureate, masters, and doctoral levels. In short, women, in general, dominate the humanities and earn their relevant credentials more often than men. What factors explain this phenomenon?
Jaenicke: I personally know many men who are interested in the humanities.
Rescazzi: I think that women dominate the humanist topics because it is in their nature to give more attention to feelings, social dynamics and communication, in all its forms.
Orski: Aren’t there statistics on this, from many countries? Thus no need to speculate. Low pay in relation to the work expected, cultural standards and norms, etc.
Schlick: It’s the phenomenon that a) no blue-collar, and b) best friends (also girls) who go into certain areas. In fact, my first degree was machine construct engineer, I guess I am the wrong person to ask that. Still, I teach the maths and statistics, I like steel and becoming dirty at work, but also like managing and conceptualizing, that’s why I earned my Ph.D. in the field of strategic management and deal with around 10 DBA and MSc projects in my area of expertise. So, I do not have a much better explanation. I was the sole woman engineer student in my class, there was another one in my year, we became number 3 and 4 in 20 years being engineers.
Jacobsen: How do these particular factors play out in different areas of professional and personal life – either as a set or as individuate factors?
Jaenicke: Even those who come from the studies of mathematics and natural science, I do not think it is a gender problem.
Rescazzi: There is a great growth of female doctors, who already occupied the more traditional nursing and child care jobs. Even in politics, which is part of the humanities, there is a growth of female elements and so also in the arts. Without the restrictions imposed by inequality, women are generally more likely to communicate, care for others and for society. Hence the growth in their presence in those careers that are aimed at people.
Orski: We are all part of the societies we live in, and the surrounding society is always part of us. You have probably heard the joke that “men tend to choose high paying professions – like a doctor, engineer, CEO, etc, while women naturally go towards lower-paying jobs like female doctor, female engineer, and female CEO.” So those factors will be there, and while we all have to navigate them, we can also work to gradually change them.
Schlick: I have definitively to fight much more and gaining recognition costs me a lot of time. To advance in a career is extremely hard. On the one hand, it might be that I am female, on the other being talented also can be a curse, it’s not easy to think quick and to be forced to talk slow and explain things several times.
Jacobsen: High-IQ groups harbour more men than women, probably at all levels, whether societies, interest groups, or ‘listings’/rankings. Why?
Jaenicke: I think that any kind of creative person be it female or male has a tendency to stand apart from society. Good art, philosophy and even law have seldom come from beneficial and friendly spaces. But I think that in our time artists and other people in the humanities are often underestimated because our measurement for value has changed over time. That is nothing to worry about, it is part of history. Every time has its own achievements and greatness.
Rescazzi: There are two main reasons for the low number of women joining high-IQ societies. The first is cultural. Statistically, gifted girls are less recognized than boys. A character factor also intervenes: females tend to doubt their potential more, with a more widespread Impostor Syndrome, while males are generally more inclined to overestimate themselves and flaunt their skills. Furthermore, the traditional division of duties prevents women from having free time to devote to themselves, due to occupations at home: it is worrying to note that there are no adhesions by women from the more traditionalist countries at all. The other reason is that there is indeed a difference in the brains of men and women: the distribution of IQ in the male and female populations is different, with a greater variation in the male than in the female with the latter more concentrated in the average values. It means that among males there are both more subnormal and gifted individuals, while in females both the subnormal and the gifted are rarer (some links grouped in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variability_hypothesis#Modern_studies).
Orski: That is another “I wish I knew”. However, I can say that for the high-IQ group I really know, Mensa Sweden, the gender distribution among members simply reflects the gender distribution among candidates. However, the success rate of candidates who take the admission test administered by Mensa Sweden is slightly higher for women than for men. Not a large difference, but visible. If we could only persuade as many women as men to take the admission test, the gender balance for this particular society might even out with time.
Schlick: Women have to work very hard, it’s time-consuming to go for “clubs”, also high-IQ ones.
Jacobsen: If women dominate in the humanities, and if a society wishes to include more women into their membership, how would incorporation of more humanities orientations and foci make these, potentially, more individually beneficial and friendly spaces for women based on statistical tendencies of interest and talent?
Rescazzi: In my opinion, it would be enough for women to choose their preferred careers without obstacles. Politics, medicine, music and others are still often considered the prerogative of men while women have shown that they can equal and in some cases surpass men in these fields, who are sometimes attracted simply by the position of power rather than by the discipline itself.
Orski: Depends on the society, of course. Some might achieve this through more diversified activities. Others might look more to a broader benefit to the surrounding community or to human society as a whole.
Schlick: I feel very comfortable that you – Scott – bring us together and manage the discussion round. This could bring new motivation to high IQ societies. Moderated thematic discussion clusters might be a potential way.
Jacobsen: How do the humanities make a more well-rounded human being, a cultured person, and give insight into human nature inasmuch as we understand it?
Jaenicke: I want to answer the left out question of how the humanities make a more rounded and cultivated human being, here at the end because it is quintessential. Humans have produced art from the beginning of time. Art was the engine of self-awareness and science but also a channel to other realities that we can not explain until today. Who are we? Why are we here? Where did we come from and where do we go?
Science which evolved from the greater arts could only give little explanation about the phenomena of altered consciousness and after death. But art can! Often without the direct communication of man-made words. Listen to Bach for half an hour and you will understand much more of your questions than we all together can give to you. Look at the wonderful pyramids, cathedrals and castles men have built and understand the holism of art, mathematics, astrology, physics and music. Look at paintings of renaissance artists and Cromagnon cave man and understand the human soul. Do not wait for our stuttering and overly intellectual tries to explain something that is not explainable in words alone.
Go and find out yourself.
Rescazzi: Kant said: “Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the more often and steadily we reflect upon them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me.” These two elements of our existence – what is outside of us, that is the universe and all that it contains; and what is within ourselves, with our mind and thoughts – are the observed and the observer, and the one influences the other. If we limit ourselves to looking at what is outside of us, without looking within ourselves, we do not have a yardstick to understand the universe. We must first understand how we think and reason, what we are influenced and limited by. On the other hand, it is by observing what is outside of us that we obtain information about our existence, that we understand our place and size compared to everything else around us. So to increase our knowledge, we cannot exclude the humanistic side, we cannot overlook the observer, that is the imperfect instrument that attempts to measure the universe. It is therefore not possible to open the door of knowledge without the key of the human element.
Orski: Well, yes. To mention only a few things: A basic knowledge of history and that societies and cultures change over time is essential to understanding the world around us. To learn about other people’s thoughts is essential to be able to expand your own thinking. And while no one can really get to know and talk to hundreds of people in-depth, we can all read novels that let us understand how others might function and react to different situations.
Schlick: Very shortly, we are humans and we do live in networks, otherwise, we would not survive. The “homo economicus” is proven not to be as efficient as humans caring for each other.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Anja Jaenicke is a German actor, director, screenwriter, poet, artist and Thinker cum Arte. She has contributed to over one hundred TV and film productions and won several film awards. Anja has published nine poetry volumes in the English language and is a regular author for city connect magazine, Cambridge. She loves drawing and painting and recently published a book with drawings about an insane penguin named Werner.

[2] Beatrice Rescazzi is the President of the AtlantIQ Society. She has been an optician, orthoptist, eye surgery assistant for years, and teaches computer science in adult courses. She is an autodidact regarding 3D printing construction, 3D printing, electronics, robotics, and more. She has an abiding interest in inventions to help vulnerable people and the environment, astronomy, general science, informatics, space missions, 2D and 3D drawing and design, as well as languages and arts. She has taken part in competitions for design, inventions, and space projects. She is an Esperantist.

[3] Monika Orski is the former Ordförande/Chairman, Mensa Sverige/Mensa Sweden (2015-2019) and a current Board Member (International) of Mensa International. She earned an M.Sc. in Computer Science and Engineering, and a B.A. in Literature. She has been volunteering for Mensa at different organizational levels. She is a Jill of all trades with a core line of professional work devoted to IT emphasizing solutions architecture for large systems. She is a public speaker, lecturer, and published author. Two, recently, published books are a collection of short stories and a non-fiction book on leading intelligent people. The texts have been published in Swedish.

[4]Dr. Sandra Schlick has the expertise and interest in Managing Mathematics, Statistics, and Methodology for Business Engineers while having a focus on online training. She supervises M.Sc. theses in Business Information and D.B.A. theses in Business Management. Managing Mathematics, Statistics, Methodology for Business Engineers with a focus on online training. Her areas of competence can be seen in the “Competency Map.” That is to say, her areas of expertise and experience mapped in a visualization presentation. Schlick’s affiliations are the Fernfachhochschule Schweiz: University of Applied Sciences, the University of Applied Sciences and Arts Northwestern Switzerland, the Kalaidos University of Applied Sciences, and AKAD.

[5] Individual Publication Date: September 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/womenhrt-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Women of the High-Range Discussion with Anja Jaenicke, Beatrice Rescazzi, Monika Orski, and Dr. Sandra Schlick: Actress & Poet, Germany; President, AtlantIQ Society; Board Member, Mensa International; Thesis Supervisor, University of Applied Sciences and Arts Northwestern Switzerland (1) [Online].September 2020; 24(D). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/womenhrt-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 15). Women of the High-Range Discussion with Anja Jaenicke, Beatrice Rescazzi, Monika Orski, and Dr. Sandra Schlick: Actress & Poet, Germany; President, AtlantIQ Society; Board Member, Mensa International; Thesis Supervisor, University of Applied Sciences and Arts Northwestern Switzerland (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/womenhrt-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Women of the High-Range Discussion with Anja Jaenicke, Beatrice Rescazzi, Monika Orski, and Dr. Sandra Schlick: Actress & Poet, Germany; President, AtlantIQ Society; Board Member, Mensa International; Thesis Supervisor, University of Applied Sciences and Arts Northwestern Switzerland (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.D, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/womenhrt-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Women of the High-Range Discussion with Anja Jaenicke, Beatrice Rescazzi, Monika Orski, and Dr. Sandra Schlick: Actress & Poet, Germany; President, AtlantIQ Society; Board Member, Mensa International; Thesis Supervisor, University of Applied Sciences and Arts Northwestern Switzerland (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.D. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/womenhrt-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Women of the High-Range Discussion with Anja Jaenicke, Beatrice Rescazzi, Monika Orski, and Dr. Sandra Schlick: Actress & Poet, Germany; President, AtlantIQ Society; Board Member, Mensa International; Thesis Supervisor, University of Applied Sciences and Arts Northwestern Switzerland (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.D (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/womenhrt-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Women of the High-Range Discussion with Anja Jaenicke, Beatrice Rescazzi, Monika Orski, and Dr. Sandra Schlick: Actress & Poet, Germany; President, AtlantIQ Society; Board Member, Mensa International; Thesis Supervisor, University of Applied Sciences and Arts Northwestern Switzerland (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.D. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/womenhrt-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Women of the High-Range Discussion with Anja Jaenicke, Beatrice Rescazzi, Monika Orski, and Dr. Sandra Schlick: Actress & Poet, Germany; President, AtlantIQ Society; Board Member, Mensa International; Thesis Supervisor, University of Applied Sciences and Arts Northwestern Switzerland (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.D., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/womenhrt-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
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Individual Publication Date: September 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
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Abstract
Heinrich Siemens was born as a member of a Low German community in Latvia, or the former Soviet Union. His family spoke Plautdietsch and read the Luther Bible in High German. He has performed very well on HRIQ tests of Ronald K. Hoeflin, Paul Cooijmans, Jonathan Wai, Theodosis Prousalis, and others. Some results have been above 5 sigma or 5 standard deviations. He developed the Three Sonnets Test (www.tweeback.com/hriq/Three-Sonnets.pdf). A lot of his life resolves around Plautdietsch language. He is the president of the international association of speakers of the language. He founded a publishing house devoted to this language: www.tweeback.com. Siemens enjoys the philosophy of Wittgenstein in particular and the philosophy of language in general. He has a film interest in directors including Bergman, Kubrick, Melville, Tarkovsky, Tarr, von Trier. If in Plautdietsch, he enjoys films by Alexandra Kulak & Ruslan Fedotov, Carlos Reygadas, Nora Fingscheidt, and others. He discusses: 195 S.D. 15 on the Cooijmans Intelligence Test 5 or the CIT5; the feeling when the score came back from Cooijmans; thoughts on the directories, rankings, and listings available; the length of time one should take on an alternative test; pre-Soviet and post-Soviet experience of the “Low German community”; life until age 11; life as an adolescent; knowing one’s “limits” a sign of both intelligence and conscientiousness; Mennonites baptize only adults; the main contribution to Germanic life and work via the Plautdietsch speaking people and the Mennonites; the Soviet Union; pacifism as crucial for the Mennonites; religion; individual autonomy in the selection of religion; being against baptism; belonging to the “cultural community of Mennonites, but not to a congregation”; life “without God”; the trajectory of the “careful consideration” about God; the ‘final nails’; the Bible “misused”; freedom of religion; the things lost in non-intergenerational homes; the reason for this becoming a hobby at age 45; the Three Sonnets test; the demographics of the test-takers; finding out about giftedness later in life in the international high-range community; the leap from the previous “highest score” on “the verbal section of the Marathon Test with IQ 180 S.D. 15” to the “195 S.D. 15 on the Cooijmans Intelligence Test 5 or the CIT5”; marathon test-takers; individuals taking 5, 10, 20, 50, or more high-range tests; and Tweeback Verlag.
Keywords: 195, CIT5, Cooijmans, conscientiousness, God, Heinrich Siemens, Mennonites, Plautdietsch, Tweeback Verlag.
Conversation with Dr. Heinrich Siemens on 195 IQ (S.D. 15), CIT5, Cooijmans, Conscientiousness, Mennonites, Plautdietsch, God, the Three Sonnets Test, and Tweeback Verlag: Linguist (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Some news since the previous coverage. As noted in the prior interview, on the legendary Titan Test, you scored 45/48. Furthermore, you have “performed very well on HRIQ tests of Ronald K. Hoeflin, Paul Cooijmans, Jonathan Wai, Theodosis Prousalis, and others” with “some results… above 5 sigma or 5 standard deviations.” With the recent news, as stated on the World Genius Directory [Ed. Ranking], you scored 195 S.D. 15 on the Cooijmans Intelligence Test 5 or the CIT5, which corresponds to a score of 28 out of 40. A cognitive rarity of 1 in 8,299,126,114 based on the preliminary (September 2020) norms statistics on the CIT5. Any early feelings on the achievement?
Dr. Heinrich Siemens[1],[2]*: It feels great. To be honest, I do not believe in statistics in these high ranges. What does it mean that I have outscored 8,299,126,113 of the adult population, when there are only 7,800,000,000 people living on earth, including many non-adults? The problem is not the lack of data, but the fact that a priori there is not enough data to make significant statements. But even if Paul should change the norm, the raw score of 28/40 on an extremely hard test and the membership in the Giga society will remain and I am proud of that.
Jacobsen: What was the feeling when the score came back from Cooijmans, the “psychometitor,” to you?
Siemens: It was just like when Ron Hoeflin told me that I was accepted into the Mega society. Sometimes, you have a wish and you do not really believe that it could come true. And then it does happen, and you are happy.
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the directories, rankings, and listings available when they require some form of rigorousness in validation of the scores on good tests from reliable and trustworthy alternative test constructors? All “directories, rankings, and listings,” as a side note, in presentation and tacit intent appear far more as rankings and, thus, the titles of directory, listing, or ranking, should collapse into “ranking,” in personal opinion. Unless, some other explicit differentiation of intent tied to alternative presentation structure.
Siemens: Do we need such rankings? Why do we have world championships in chess or in sports? Why Olympic Games? It is in the nature of mankind to compete with others. But animals can also jump and run. If cognitive abilities are the outstanding feature of human beings, then this competition is much more important than it is in sports. But then it should also be fair. One of the biggest problems of the HRIQ community is that the norms of the tests are so different. Every test maker works with his own currency for the determination of the IQ value and in the end (in all of these rankings and listings) we behave as if 150 euros = 150 dollars = 150 rubles. There should be a procedure to determine the norms of tests in a uniform way. There are now huge amounts of data from Paul Cooijmans, Theodosis Prousalis, Jason Betts, Domagoj Kuttle, and, perhaps, a few others. One could compare all tests of different test makers with more than (let us say) 20 or 30 submissions. I am sure many test takers have taken tests by different test makers. Based on this, it should be possible to adjust the norms, so that in the end it is equally difficult or easy to get a certain IQ certified for each test. If someone creates a new test, a norm should only be published as soon as a minimum number of test takers, whose IQ is already confirmed by other tests, have submitted their answers. Then rankings and listings would be much more significant than they are at present.
Jacobsen: How long should one take on an alternative test to score as well as innate intelligence provides them rather than underestimating intelligence for them?
Siemens: I am sometimes asked how much time I needed for a specific test. This is a difficult question. I started dealing with CIT5 years ago when it was published. Then other things came up and I forgot about it. Now I have dusted off my old pages because I remembered that this year the contest ends. I changed some answers, added some others. I usually try to think of a difficult question in the evening before I go to sleep. Then I can use the night because the brain continues to think about it while I sleep. Sometimes I wake up in the morning and see the solution light up like a revelation. Probably everyone has their own way of solving IQ tests, but if someone is still looking for a personal approach, you can try my method.
Jacobsen: What encapsulates this pre-Soviet and post-Soviet experience of the “Low German community” experience?
Siemens: In the Soviet Union, the Plautdietsch people lived in more or less isolated settlements, so that life in the family, but also on the street and sometimes even at work, largely took place in Plautdietsch. The Luther Bible was read in High German. Russian, the lingua franca of the Soviet Union, was spoken with other nationalities. In some republics, the national language was also spoken, in my case Latvian. People lived multilingually. Every language had its domain. We still have this situation in the isolated Latin American Plautdietsch settlements, where the number of speakers is increasing rapidly. But in Germany, where most of the Plautdietsch people emigrated after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the language is highly endangered, similar to Canada and the US after World War II.
Jacobsen: What was life like until age 11 as a child?
Siemens: We lived in a small town in Latvia, almost rural. (Of course, there was no free Latvia at that time, but my birthplace Sigulda is in Latvia nowadays). We had a big garden, chickens and every year a pig. As children we played outside a lot. We had books, but no mass media. We lived in a multigenerational household with my grandmothers. The grandfathers had starved to death in Stalin’s Gulag. My parents both grew up without a father.
Jacobsen: At and after age 11, what was life as an adolescent for you?
Siemens: I lived a rather lonely life. I never had close friends. I lived in a world of books and imagination. In Germany we have a special school system, which is not often found in the world. At the age of 10, the children are divided into different types of schools. The main problem is that this division depends much more on the social background of the parents than on the cognitive abilities of the child. For example, there is the so-called Gymnasium for the children of academics (the word has a completely different meaning in German than the word “gym” in English, and both no longer have anything to do with the original meaning in Greek because you don’t walk around naked in either one); at the other end of the spectrum, there is the so-called Hauptschule for the children of socially disadvantaged parents and children with a migration background. This is the official term in a country where there is officially no discrimination, but children born in Germany are not simply German if they have a grandmother born in Anatolia or Siberia. Well, in my case, it was even migration foreground; and so, I attended the Hauptschule. But fortunately, the system is not completely impermeable, so I went to the Gymnasium later. I then became a Diploma Mathematician (a degree which is no longer in use, comparable to a Master of Arts) and to complete the Septem Artes and complement the quadrivium in the trivial direction, I changed the faculty and wrote my Ph.D. thesis in linguistics.
Jacobsen: Is knowing one’s “limits” a sign of both intelligence and conscientiousness?
Siemens: The concept of limit involves the idea that there are two sides to it. An intelligent person is characterized by the fact that s*he finds the other side of the limits more interesting and challenging than her*his own side. Limits are there to be crossed. And consciousness is created by not only crossing borders, but by making this process itself the object of reflection. Noblesse oblige, especially cognitive noblesse. Therefore, intelligence is worthless if it is not accompanied by conscientiousness.
Jacobsen: Why do Mennonites baptize only adults – not to individuals considering from the outside, but the rationale from individual believers who practice & believe in a proper way? As the Dutch were German, and thus amount to a branch of more ancient German peoples, as a German ethnic group, where I live, Dutch Christian farmers came to Canada and settled the land there. I live in British Columbia, Canada. In addition, a large contingent of this “Bible Belt” of Canada or Langley consider themselves Mennonites, interesting coincidence for the conversation today, as they exist in every aspect of life for me. Through various town and Township of Langley positions, I remain in contact with the culture and the peoples, aware, as I harbour significant Dutch, Germanic in other words, heritage too.
Siemens: Yeah, that’s what can happen, you look for someone for an interview on the other side of the world and end up with a Mennonite just like at home in your local supermarket or pub.
I consider it one of the greatest achievements of the Baptizers movement of the 16th century that it was left to each person to decide whether to participate in a rite of initiation into a religion, so I reject the baptism (as well as circumcision, sorry to my Muslim and Jewish friends) of children. There is an age of consent in every country in the world. It should also protect the victims from religious attacks by adults. By the way, I also reject the term Anabaptist used in English. It was invented by the Catholic Church and was used as an excuse to burn or drown the Baptizers. They only baptize once, and that is when they are adults, so there is definitely no re-baptism or ana-baptism. Even with the Westphalian Peace, 120 years after the Baptizers movement, the principle of Cuius regio eius religio still applied. It was not until the Age of Enlightenment that the right to an individual confession of faith (or non-faith) was generally recognized. The Baptizers had already advocated for this principle centuries earlier.
Jacobsen: What seems like the main contribution to Germanic life and work via the Plautdietsch speaking people and the Mennonites too?
Siemens: The most important contributions of Mennonites to world cultural heritage are 1. the individual confession of faith in the 16th century, 2. the invention of the cable car by the Gdansk Mennonite Adam Wiebe in the 17th century, 3. the first civilian alternative service for conscientious objectors in 19th century Russia, and 4. the most famous Plautdietsch family was invented in the 20th century by the Mennonite Matt Groening: the Simpsons.
Jacobsen: How did the Soviet Union change the nature of the culture of the peoples for you?
Siemens: The early Christians lived in communist communities. Part of the Baptizers movement, the Hutterites, have lived in communist communities for 500 years. In the principle “Everybody gives what he can, everybody gets what he needs” and with a classless society in which Mammon does not rule, the ideal of the Soviet Union is in essence hardly different from Christian utopias. It is a pity that such ideas have been corrupted as a form of government for a long time by the Soviet rulers, especially by Stalin’s terror.
Jacobsen: What makes “pacifism… crucial for Mennonites” too?
Siemens: The early Baptizers and thus also the Mennonites saw the Sermon on the Mount, and pacifism as its central component, as the basic law of human coexistence. To uphold this principle, they emigrated again and again to new countries and continents, often to areas that had been considered uninhabitable until then, such as the Paraguayan Chaco.
Jacobsen: Also, theological-definitional question, what is religion? Then, what is religion, to you?
Siemens: Individual religion probably arose from the need to explain the cause of effects when no natural causes could be found and therefore supernatural ones were considered. Organized religion arose as some people claimed to have preferential access to the Deity. They demanded submission from the believers and in return offered answers to difficult questions and, above all, a meaning to life. I personally refuse submission to authority and to difficult questions I prefer to seek the answers myself. In most cases, the questions about the meaning of life are much more exciting than the proposed answers, and philosophical books can be much more helpful than religious dogmas. Since atheism is also a belief, I would probably consider myself an agnostic, but such a label is not important for me.
Jacobsen: Why is individual autonomy in the selection of religion important to you?
Siemens: When it comes to the most important questions in life, everyone should have the right to seek their own answers. That is my view of humanity.
Jacobsen: Why choose “against being baptized”?
Siemens: In the Soviet Union, the practice of religion was persecuted. If the Soviet Union still existed in its former form, and if I still lived there, I would probably have been baptized and, maybe, even become a Mennonite preacher, as my parents always wanted me to be and, perhaps, still do. Anything else would have been a sign of cowardice and betrayal. But I am glad that it has come to this. I am free to choose. By refusing baptism, I can show that I have become alienated from the faith in a supernatural being.
Jacobsen: Why “belong to the cultural community of Mennonites, but not to a congregation”?
Siemens: Many Mennonites have lost their faith, often out of disappointment with the way the congregation dealt with them when they were unwilling to submit to religious authorities with regard to life-style, sexuality, etc. They still think of themselves as Mennonites, even if some believers see it differently. In order to save them for the cultural community, we have founded an international association (Plautdietsch-Freunde e. V.), in which all who feel that they belong to the cultural community of Mennonites (defined by the common language) can meet. Perhaps half of our members are in Mennonite (or other) congregations, the other half are not. But since we do not ask anybody about it, I do not know the exact percentage.
Jacobsen: Why live life “without God”? What defines God in this sense of “without” or “a-,” in reference to “-theism” as in “a-theism” for you – in a pragmatic sense of life without God rather than a formal implied ontological stance of the concept “God”?
Siemens: Some people need someone to take their hand and show them how to align their lives with respect to a higher being. I don’t.
Jacobsen: What constituted the trajectory of the “careful consideration”?
Siemens: When I still attended church, I often felt obliged to give witness to my faith, for example at school. However, I noticed more and more how insincere this was, when scientific explanations contradicted those of the believers. I believed one, gave witness to the other, and did not feel good about it. So, I stopped witnessing the other. Let us suppose that our universe, space and time, arose from an initial singularity. Did God exist before because he is eternal? The idea that anything, even God, existed before the origin of time seems contradictory to me. If God came into existence later, when the laws of nature already applied, he must have had a cause, as nothing comes from nothing (Parmenides). But this contradicts the concept of God as taught by Christianity. So, God himself must be the prima causa, an unmoved mover (Aristotle). Okay, if someone is happy with this, he should call the initial singularity God. But this is a wheel that does not move anything.
Jacobsen: What were the ‘final nails’ – proverbial, so-called – to this careful consideration? Why “maybe because of Ockham’s razor”? How big was the beard to begin with for you?
Siemens: The final nail was even literally a beard. The Baptizers have different ideas about what the lower half of a man’s face should look like. The Amish, for example, let the beard grow (because God lets it grow), but they shave the moustache. Well, actually God lets it grow too, but for some obscure reason that is something completely different. I grew up in a congregation where men had to shave. The theological argument was derived from the fact that it is written: “Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.” Little children do not wear beards, quod erat demonstrandum. When I stopped shaving, I got in big trouble with the church leadership. So, I grabbed Ockham’s Razor. However, instead of shaving my beard, I shaved my faith.
Jacobsen: How is the Bible “misused”?
Siemens: I just gave you an example.
Jacobsen: Why is freedom of religion important to you, as either a concept or as a human right?
Siemens: There were always times when religion gave important impulses for the coexistence of people, for example in the Sermon on the Mount. But for some centuries now, secular initiatives have taken this place. For us, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is the standard that determines our actions. In comparison, many church’s standards seem outdated and contradict not only human rights, but often also constitutions, for example with regard to the role of women or sexual self-determination.
Jacobsen: What is lost in non-intergenerational homes – more than parent-child, e.g., grandparents or great grandparents?
Siemens: In situations of language transition, for example in connection with migration, the three-generation rule often applies. The elderly speak one language, their children are bilingual, and their grandchildren are monolingual again. This is how languages die. Multi-generational households help to prevent or at least delay this process. By talking to their grandparents, the grandchildren learn their language. This is how Plautdietsch was able to survive in the diaspora over the centuries.
Jacobsen: As identified in the first session, you have taken tests from some of the most respected alternative test constructors for the higher scores in the tests taken by you: “My most successful test results include the Titan test by Ronald K. Hoeflin (raw score 45/48), the Test of the Beheaded Man (33/40), the Marathon Test (108/111), both by Paul Cooijmans, many different tests and some won contests by Theodosis Prousalis, SLSE 48 (30/48) by Jonathan Wai, etc. Usually, the results were beyond 5 standard deviations.” Why did this take until 45 to become a hobby?
Siemens: I simply did not know these people or HRIQ tests before. It was a coincidence that I stumbled upon an interview with a member of the Giga society and so Paul came to my attention. With further research, I found Ron, Theodosis, and the others.
Jacobsen: As prospective test-takers look into tests to spend some time for themselves, what are some of the benefits of taking the Three Sonnets test? Why the title, “Three Sonnets”?
Siemens: The Shakespeare Sonnet has the ideal form to express a thought. One develops an idea from three perspectives and summarizes the result in a couplet. (The Russian poet Pushkin proved that you can write an entire novel in Shakespeare’s sonnets. You should read Eugene Onegin, if you haven’t done it yet). My test tries to be not just a sequence of questions, but a real composition, like a poem or a piece of music. It consists of three sonnets: an overture in which the central idea is developed and the later motives are already intoned, a numerical section and a verbal one. In each sonnet, the central idea is illuminated from three angles and summarized in the couplet, just like Shakespeare did. By the way, I would like to draw your attention to verses 29-32 of my test, which represent the quintessence of the test. When you have answered these questions, you have solved one of the central problems that literary studies have been arguing about for decades without being able to solve it. (And I am not referring to the question of who wrote Shakespeare’s works, for the answer is trivial: it was not Shakespeare himself, but a completely unknown author whose real name was Shakespeare.) Like any scientific thesis, my test ends with two footnotes.
Jacobsen: How many people have taken the Three Sonnets test? What are the demographics of the test-takers?
Siemens: Unfortunately, far too few have taken the test so far, so I cannot say anything about demographics or preliminary norms. But I would like to use my 15 minutes of fame to draw attention to this test once again. Perhaps the first step is the hardest. You have to discover the entry. Once you have crossed the threshold, it is no longer time-consuming. Do not let the first impression discourage you. I would be happy if as many of you as possible submit solutions. (The only hint: it was published on Towel Day.)
Jacobsen: Side note, how common is finding out about giftedness later in life in the international high-range community, as you found out at age 45? I like the alignment of the 45 on the legendary Titan Test with it.
Siemens: I have not even noticed this coincidence before. Maybe I should have waited another three years, then I would have had 48/48 correct answers 😉 I do not have the slightest idea at what age other people start to deal with HRIQ tests. You should ask those who have been making many tests for years and therefore have a lot of data.
Jacobsen: What seems like the context in which to interpret the leap from the previous “highest score” on “the verbal section of the Marathon Test with IQ 180 S.D. 15” to the aforementioned “195 S.D. 15 on the Cooijmans Intelligence Test 5 or the CIT5”?
Siemens: The difference is exactly one standard deviation, such leaps are very rare because the intelligence of adults is assumed to be relatively constant, at least until it decreases with age. One explanation is probably that Paul usually publishes preliminary norms at a very early stage, which in my opinion is very problematic, especially in areas where one can hardly expect to get much empirical data. On the other hand, this is not Paul’s first test that I have taken, and from one test to the next, one increasingly understands the test maker’s way of thinking.
Jacobsen: When marathon test-takers of the high-range world exhibit ranges of 30 points (S.D. 15) – plus or minus a few – on the alternative tests, what seems like a reasonable manner in which to interpret the scores?
Siemens: As I already said, such leaps are very rare and could be an indication that something went wrong with the norming process.
Jacobsen: What seems to explain individuals taking 5, 10, 20, 50, or more high-range tests? It helps with the furtherance of the data collection efforts. All the power to them. It seems like a huge time sink, though, at the same time.
Siemens: Of course, every test maker is happy to receive as many submissions as possible, because they are the basis for a profound norming process. Everyone spends as much time with his hobby as he can spare. A hard test is often time consuming. But “time sink” sounds too derogatory. There are certainly worse things to spend time on than passing cognitive challenges.
Jacobsen: Have other publishers arisen alongside Tweeback Verlag working in this niche? If not, why not? If so, why so? What were the books needing publishing (plug, plug)?
Siemens: Most Mennonites still use a different written language and Plautdietsch is only spoken. Therefore, the market for Plautdietsch books is very small. I don’t know of any other publisher that specializes in this niche. Plautdietsch developed late as a literary language. The first major works were written about 100 years ago and the most important Plautdietsch author, Arnold Dyck, died exactly 50 years ago. That is why we are presenting an Arnold Dyck Award for the first time this year to encourage more people to write in Plautdietsch.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Linguist; Founder, Tweeback Verlag; Member, Mega Society; Member, Giga Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-2; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Dr. Heinrich Siemens on 195 IQ (S.D. 15), CIT5, Cooijmans, Conscientiousness, Mennonites, Plautdietsch, God, the Three Sonnets Test, and Tweeback Verlag: Linguist (2) [Online].September 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 15). Conversation with Dr. Heinrich Siemens on 195 IQ (S.D. 15), CIT5, Cooijmans, Conscientiousness, Mennonites, Plautdietsch, God, the Three Sonnets Test, and Tweeback Verlag: Linguist (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Dr. Heinrich Siemens on 195 IQ (S.D. 15), CIT5, Cooijmans, Conscientiousness, Mennonites, Plautdietsch, God, the Three Sonnets Test, and Tweeback Verlag: Linguist (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Dr. Heinrich Siemens on 195 IQ (S.D. 15), CIT5, Cooijmans, Conscientiousness, Mennonites, Plautdietsch, God, the Three Sonnets Test, and Tweeback Verlag: Linguist (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Dr. Heinrich Siemens on 195 IQ (S.D. 15), CIT5, Cooijmans, Conscientiousness, Mennonites, Plautdietsch, God, the Three Sonnets Test, and Tweeback Verlag: Linguist (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Dr. Heinrich Siemens on 195 IQ (S.D. 15), CIT5, Cooijmans, Conscientiousness, Mennonites, Plautdietsch, God, the Three Sonnets Test, and Tweeback Verlag: Linguist (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Dr. Heinrich Siemens on 195 IQ (S.D. 15), CIT5, Cooijmans, Conscientiousness, Mennonites, Plautdietsch, God, the Three Sonnets Test, and Tweeback Verlag: Linguist (2)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Dr. Heinrich Siemens on 195 IQ (S.D. 15), CIT5, Cooijmans, Conscientiousness, Mennonites, Plautdietsch, God, the Three Sonnets Test, and Tweeback Verlag: Linguist (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-3>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Dr. Heinrich Siemens on 195 IQ (S.D. 15), CIT5, Cooijmans, Conscientiousness, Mennonites, Plautdietsch, God, the Three Sonnets Test, and Tweeback Verlag: Linguist (2) [Internet]. (2020, September 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.E, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,821
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dr. Herb Silverman is the Founder of the Secular Coalition for America, the Founder of the Secular Humanists of the Lowcountry, and the Founder of the Atheist/Humanist Alliance student group at the College of Charleston. He authored Complex variables (1975), Candidate Without a Prayer: An Autobiography of a Jewish Atheist in the Bible Belt (2012) and An Atheist Stranger in a Strange Religious Land: Selected Writings from the Bible Belt (2017). He co-authored The Fundamentals of Extremism: The Christian Right in America (2003) with Kimberley Blaker and Edward S. Buckner, Complex Variables with Applications (2007) with Saminathan Ponnusamy, and Short Reflections on Secularism (2019), Short Reflections on American Secularism’s History and Philosophy (2020), and Short Reflections on Age and Youth (2020). He discusses: the course of a Jewish life, of a secular humanist life; Kurtz and Wilson in the opening; the varieties of referenced humanisms; “moral devotion and creative imagination”; freedom of speech and freedom of the press connected in a humanistic framework; opposition to governmental policies; and “freedom of association, and artistic, scientific, and cultural freedom.”
Keywords: freedom of expression, freedom of speech, Herb Silverman, Humanism, Humanist Manifesto II.
Free of Charge 4 – “Humanist Manifesto II,” Kurtz and Wilson, Moral Devotion, Creative Imagination, and Free Speech
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Humanist Manifesto II (1973) provided a much bleaker reflection, at its outset, on human nature than Humanist Manifesto I (1933). Humanist Manifesto II started with a joint statement by Paul Kurtz and Edwin H. Wilson:
It is forty years since Humanist Manifesto I (1933) appeared. Events since then make that earlier statement seem far too optimistic. Nazism has shown the depths of brutality of which humanity is capable. Other totalitarian regimes have suppressed human rights without ending poverty. Science has sometimes brought evil as well as good. Recent decades have shown that inhuman wars can be made in the name of peace. The beginnings of police states, even in democratic societies, widespread government espionage, and other abuses of power by military, political, and industrial elites, and the continuance of unyielding racism, all present a different and difficult social outlook. In various societies, the demands of women and minority groups for equal rights effectively challenge our generation.
As we approach the twenty-first century, however, an affirmative and hopeful vision is needed. Faith, commensurate with advancing knowledge, is also necessary. In the choice between despair and hope, humanists respond in this Humanist Manifesto II with a positive declaration for times of uncertainty.
As in 1933, humanists still believe that traditional theism, especially faith in the prayer-hearing God, assumed to live and care for persons, to hear and understand their prayers, and to be able to do something about them, is an unproved and outmoded faith. Salvationism, based on mere affirmation, still appears as harmful, diverting people with false hopes of heaven hereafter. Reasonable minds look to other means for survival.
Those who sign Humanist Manifesto II disclaim that they are setting forth a binding credo; their individual views would be stated in widely varying ways. This statement is, however, reaching for vision in a time that needs direction. It is social analysis in an effort at consensus. New statements should be developed to supersede this, but for today it is our conviction that humanism offers an alternative that can serve present-day needs and guide humankind toward the future. (American Humanist Association, 1973)
Smart men, Kurtz and Wilson, however, as with personal sensibilities for me, I take early enthusiasm with some salting and other flavouring to the stew of Humanism as an evolving ethical philosophy in which the prior “earlier statement” or early enthusiasm seemed “far too optimistic.”
In their case, “Nazism has shown the depths of brutality of which humanity is capable,” as well as “other totalitarian regimes.” In fact, even the perennial issue fought for now, “In various societies, the demands of women and minority groups for equal rights effectively challenge our generation” with the ever-present issue of “traditional theism” or the “outmoded faith” seen in “Salvationism.” Humanism as part – ahem – salvation from these “false hopes” or “false ‘theologies of hope’ and messianic theologies.” Freedom of expression is tapped here some more with some emphasis on “creativity.” It comes in many forms throughout the world as a tendency in human thought, “Many kinds of humanism exist in the contemporary world. The varieties and emphases of naturalistic humanism include ‘scientific,’ ‘ethical,’ ‘democratic,’ ‘religious,’ and ‘Marxist’ humanism. Free thought, atheism, agnosticism, skepticism, deism, rationalism, ethical culture, and liberal religion all claim to be heir to the humanist tradition.” They spoke astutely to “cultivation of moral devotion and creative imagination” as “an expression of genuine ‘spiritual’ experience and aspiration” in which the spirit of freedom of expression is, well, expressed or well expressed. More directly, they speak to “freedom of speech and the press… the legal right of opposition to governmental policies… freedom of association, and artistic, scientific, and cultural freedom…” as well as the need to “safeguard, extend, and implement the principles of human freedom evolved from the Magna Carta to the Bill of Rights, the Rights of Man, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.” To humanists, in regards to freedom of expression, in spite of the tempered Humanism in Humanist Manifesto II – in the opinions of Kurtz and Wilson (and myself, and likely many others) – compared to Humanist Manifesto I, these represent ‘sacred’ values of a kind. Over the course of a Jewish life, of a secular humanist life in particular, how has the individualized Humanism changed for you?
Dr. Herb Silverman[1],[2]: You asked how my Jewish life and secular humanist life have changed. I grew up in an Orthodox community and had an Orthodox Bar Mitzvah in 1955 when I was 13. My family mainly instilled in me that I shouldn’t trust goyim (gentiles) because of what they did to us in the Holocaust, and that I should marry a nice Jewish girl. (My wife, Sharon Fratepietro, is not Jewish.)
In Hebrew school, my rabbi refused to answer my question, “Who created God?” He told me the question was inappropriate, but I assumed he just had no answer. One of my best teachers in Hebrew school asked, “Why does the Torah (Hebrew Bible) say ‘God of Abraham, God of Isaac, and God of Jacob,’ instead of the more concise ‘God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob’?” His explanation was that each had a different god, and we must search for and find our own god. I took his statement seriously and my search, beginning at age 12, led me to a god who did not exist. I decided to follow all the things in the Torah that made sense to me, like performing mitzvahs (good deeds), but I stopped doing things like fasting on Yom Kippur, the day that God allegedly determines who shall live and who shall die in the coming year. Perhaps that is when I became a humanist without having even heard the term.
As an adult, I first learned about Humanism from the American Humanist Association, and later became a board member of that organization. I still considered myself a Jew because there is no requirement for a Jew to believe in God. I eventually found a proper home for myself in Judaism when I learned about and joined the Society for Humanistic Judaism (https://shj.org), with its atheist rabbis. SHJ is a member organization of the Secular Coalition for America and has an active social justice program known as Jews for a Secular Democracy.
Jacobsen: Do you agree with Kurtz and Wilson in the opening, as an aside?
Silverman: I agree with them that Humanist Manifesto I was too optimistic about what the state of the world would be like after 1933, and that we need a more realistic vision. One sentence I was uncomfortable with was “Faith, commensurate with advancing knowledge, is also necessary.” I prefer to leave the word “faith” to theists. The authors correctly add that traditional theism, especially faith in a prayer-hearing God, makes no sense. It was wise of them to say, “New statements should be developed to supersede this,” one of which is known as Humanist Manifesto III. We should note that these manifestos are written on paper by humans, not written on stone tablets by an alleged deity, and no humanist is obliged to follow all of their assertions.
Jacobsen: How are the varieties of referenced humanisms connected via the idea of freedom of expression?
Silverman: I think all these referenced humanisms include freedom of expression, whether stated explicitly or implicitly. The humanists I know all think everybody has the right to express ideas and opinions freely, though we should try to avoid making false or misleading statements. Some people consider themselves theistic humanists, and might wish to silence those in their flock who have problems believing in the type of god they espouse. My idea of humanism precludes supernaturalism.
Jacobsen: What is this “moral devotion and creative imagination” inherent in the idea of freedom of expression as played out in the lives of freer human beings?
Silverman: I think we have a moral obligation to speak out against injustices, and it helps to imagine what kinds of injustices are suffered by people who are viewed as different from us in artificial ways. Unfortunately, some people use their imagination to develop “fake news” and consider this to be an appropriate form of freedom of expression. The moral problem with such freedom of expression is that fake news can unfairly hurt innocent people. One example is known as “Pizzagate.” This was a baseless rumor circulated in 2016 that Hillary Clinton and other Democrats were heading up a child sex-trafficking ring out of a specific Washington pizzeria. Based on such rumors and hate speech, a gunman with an assault rifle opened fire at the pizzeria, hoping to save the alleged abused children.
Jacobsen: How are freedom of speech and freedom of the press connected in a humanistic framework? How are they being attacked in the United States today?
Silverman: Freedom of speech and freedom of the press are guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. Humanists support this right to speak out verbally, in writing, and by action. Some Americans want to take away the right to burn the American flag, which thankfully the US Supreme Court ruled was constitutionally protected speech. There are also attempts to censor works of art that touch on sensitive issues like religion or sexuality. I think it is fine for people to attack verbally or in writing what someone else says. The problem occurs when someone thinks he has the right to use intimidation, threats, or violence. The way to attack bad speech is with good speech. I still believe the saying I learned as a child: “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.”
Jacobsen: How is opposition to governmental policies being prevented in America today?
Silverman: Opposition to government policies is not being prevented. Many individuals and media have spoken against President Trump’s policies (or lack thereof) on the pandemic, healthcare, climate change, international alliances, and countless social justice issues. Unfortunately, from my perspective, the Republican-controlled US Senate gives Trump whatever he wants. So, opposition to government policies can best be achieved by Americans voting in the upcoming election.
Jacobsen: Regarding “freedom of association, and artistic, scientific, and cultural freedom,” what brings these together in one bundle so as to unite them under a banner of common expansion of freedom for more humanistic societies?
Silverman: Humanistic societies recognize that humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment for the greater good of humanity. Humanism promotes democracy, civil liberties, human freedoms, separation of religion and government, and elimination of discrimination based on race, religion, sex, age, or national origin. Humanists respect the scientific method and recognize that we are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change, and that ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Dr. Silverman.
Silverman: You’re most welcome.
References
American Humanist Association. (1973). Humanist Manifesto II. Retrieved from https://americanhumanist.org/what-is-humanism/manifesto2/.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Secular Coalition for America; Founder, Secular Humanists of the Low Country; Founder, Atheist/Humanist Alliance, College of Charleston.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-4; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Free of Charge 4 – “Humanist Manifesto II,” Kurtz and Wilson, Moral Devotion, Creative Imagination, and Free Speech [Online].September 2020; 24(E). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-4.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 15). Free of Charge 4 – “Humanist Manifesto II,” Kurtz and Wilson, Moral Devotion, Creative Imagination, and Free Speech. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-4.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Free of Charge 4 – “Humanist Manifesto II,” Kurtz and Wilson, Moral Devotion, Creative Imagination, and Free Speech. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.E, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-4>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Free of Charge 4 – “Humanist Manifesto II,” Kurtz and Wilson, Moral Devotion, Creative Imagination, and Free Speech.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.E. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-4.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Free of Charge 4 – “Humanist Manifesto II,” Kurtz and Wilson, Moral Devotion, Creative Imagination, and Free Speech.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.E (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-4.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Free of Charge 4 – “Humanist Manifesto II,” Kurtz and Wilson, Moral Devotion, Creative Imagination, and Free Speech‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.E. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-4>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Free of Charge 4 – “Humanist Manifesto II,” Kurtz and Wilson, Moral Devotion, Creative Imagination, and Free Speech‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.E., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-4.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Free of Charge 4 – “Humanist Manifesto II,” Kurtz and Wilson, Moral Devotion, Creative Imagination, and Free Speech.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.E (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-3>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Free of Charge 4 – “Humanist Manifesto II,” Kurtz and Wilson, Moral Devotion, Creative Imagination, and Free Speech [Internet]. (2020, September 24(E). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-4.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 25.A, Idea: Land of Fire and Ice: Islandia, Snelandia, and Insula Gardari (1)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,254
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Professor Helga Ögmundardóttir is an Assistant Professor in Social and Human Sciences at the University of Iceland. She discusses: family background; some pivotal moments of early life; some early indications of interest in anthropology; the culture of childhood with the culture of Iceland now; Uppsala for the Ph.D. in Anthropology; Ph.D. dissertation was entitled “The Shepherds of Þjórsárver.: Traditional Use and Hydropower Development in the Commons of the Icelandic Highland” (2011); the central thesis and question about the traditional use and development of hydropower in the Iceland Highland; the main findings of the thesis; and some of the teaching content.
Keywords: Helga Ögmundardóttir, human sciences, hydropower, social sciences, University of Iceland.
Conversation with Professor Helga Ögmundardóttir on Laxness, Pivotal Early Moments, Iceland Then and Now, and Hydropower in Iceland Highland: Assistant Professor, Social and Human Sciences, University of Iceland (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: For this first round of questions, naturally, I would like to start from the beginning. I should note. These interviews take place within a context of simply falling in love with Iceland. It has its issues, as with any country. But it is so lovely and functional, and democratic, and gender equal, and intelligently run, etc., compared to so many other places on Earth. Francis Fukuyama once said, “How do we get to Denmark?” I completely disagree. Well, I agree. Denmark is great. It’s a tough road to progress to there. However! I will give a modern riff on it, “How do we get to Iceland?” Part of the answer sits with the people. Another lies within the context of the development from earlier lives into the present to produce political structure, economic diversity, gender-equal policies, and the formation of a sociocultural structure dynamic to suit the needs of men and women for individual Icelandic citizens to pursue their best selves, their best lives. What was family background for you? I am aware of the culture described by Laxness and the idea of ‘Independent People.’
Helga Ögmundardóttir: I am born in 1965, my parents in 1944, my grandfathers both in 1912, my maternal grandmother in 1918 and the other one 1921, so my great-grandparents were 19th century people, and of them I remember all of them very well, except my paternal grandfather who died just before I was born. He is my namesake, I’m his oldest grandchild and he never even knew I would be born. But my grandmother, his wife, my “amma”, married again and her husband became my “afi” and I loved him much. And I remember my great-great grandfather on my father’s side, my “langafi” well, and my “langamma” – my mother’s grandmother. We always were very close as an extended family, on both my parents’ side, so the strings in my upbringing cover a very broad time-spectrum, stretching far back in Icelandic history, but I’m also a product of 20th century modernistic aspirations, nationalistic ideas of recent independence (Iceland got full independence from Denmark in 1944) and then we have post-everything being the context of my personal and professional life today. Now that my parents are both deceased and I am now a member of the “oldest” generation in my family, I see the ties of blood disappear, alas, and the feeling of belonging to a clan belongs to the past for me. But as for the Laxness-related ideas, I resent all attempts at dividing people, whether on nationalistic notes, in terms of the modernistic idea of the “developed” vs. the “underdeveloped/developing”, which is probably both the cause and effect of my anthropological identity today. I appreciate him as a writer who had enormous influence on Icelandic society in the 20th century; his respect for gone generations, as well as the way he depicts them in a funny and often sarcastic way. He – Halldór Laxness – and my grandfather were cousins, so he was also a part of the idea I was raised with, of the extended family contributing to what I am and where I come from, both genetically and socio-culturally. But what mostly formed my identity from early on is this contradictory mix of “old” and “new”, probably more than anything else because my father was a historian, philologist and folklorist and we were very close. Her was “in the past”, so to speak, telling me about our past all the time, my mother “in the present” as a political activist, both a socialist and a feminist, and even if we were somehow not very close, I always looked up to her as a role model and a brave woman who stood by her ideas about a better world.
Jacobsen: What were some pivotal moments of early life for you?
Ögmundardóttir: I cannot name any specific events or moments; I recall my early life rather badly as I don’t really recall the specificities of events, but more the atmosphere, smells and sounds, feelings, perceptions in general, that I now connect with moments and events, in my mind. But being sent to a farm in northern Iceland as a 10 years old for two summers, to help with the farm-work, that was a great thing for me as I was and am fascinated by animals, and as a 12 years old starting to work in a fish-factory, for many summers to come, that was a big disappointment since my farm-life was thereby over and instead of being outside, free, in the short Icelandic summer, I was confined inside a wet and noisy fish-factory from June to August. Well, we got well paid, I guess, but the money went to my parents’ account as a contribution to our common economy. This was the tradition then and I could do little to object – well, I had my little “rebellions” but they never changed anything. The deaths of dear ones, close relatives, of my pets as well, had profound impact on me as well as a child and teenager. The first time I went abroad, as a 9 years old, to Denmark with my parents, was revolutionary! I saw frogs for the first time, tall trees, huge palaces, trains, could be outside in shorts into the night as it was warm enough… and the list goes on! I was lucky to have marvelous teachers in primary and secondary school, and I read books like there was no tomorrow – I finished all the children’s books in the city library quite early and went on to the grown-ups’ department and many books had profound influence on me, whether books for children or not. We didn’t have a TV until I was several years old and watching telly in my friends’ homes or – even more importantly – the American army-base’s TV-station; now that was a life-changing thing! I could see it in my cousin’s home in Hafnarfjörður, which was close enough to the Keflavik-base to get the signal. And there are countless good and bad “things” I could name as influential, some had impact that left their mark on me early and have since lost some influence – fortunately for the negative ones – others have increasingly popped up in my memory as something that has been there all the time but are now gaining meaning and my understanding of them growing. This is how we – at least I – have been throughout life, and I see us as fairly fluid beings with a complex, changing identity, not at all clearly bound but reaching out to the world all the time; and the world “coming to” or merging with us, not least.
Jacobsen: Were there some early indications of interest in anthropology? Or was this something happening more in early university education?
Ögmundardóttir: I talked about my wonderful teachers when in primary school; I would trace my interest in the world, other people, other cultures to their methods and the material we used to learn from. I will not go into details as that would require a whole essay, but in short, we learned all the classical subjects through learning about different nations and human groups all over the world. As an example, we learned mathematics by following the news on the radio about what cargo-ships were coming and going to and from Iceland – being an island in the middle of the Atlantic, shipping was vital for us – and we made schemes about all the ships and what type they were – size, route, days at sea, types and amount of cargo, etc. and calculated all kinds of information out of that. Another project was to pretend to be farmers in Scandinavia and the northwestern British Isles in the 10th century, heading for a new land somewhere in the northwestern Atlantic Ocean, and decide what to take with us on our ships, how much, how long it would take, how much each member could eat per day and so on and so forth. We basically relived the settlement of Iceland but not on nationalistic terms but practical and creative ones – and of course we learned about any other subject you have to learn in school with these and other such projects and exercises. To make a long story short; when I discovered anthropology, its interdisciplinary character and local-global focus fascinated me and I found myself totally at home in its bosom. But I really didn’t know that something like anthropology existed as an academic subject until I sat in my first class of Introduction to anthropology, really. But there was no turning back, I was stuck and even if the way through university studies, all the way through a PhD was windy and bumpy, it was somehow meant to be because for me, anthropology is a way of life, not just “my job”.
Jacobsen: If you compared the culture of childhood with the culture of Iceland now, what are the major differences? I like to make a comparison, even with Canada. We closed the last Residential School in 1996 or the same year the Hon. Vigdis resigned after 16 years of leadership in Iceland. People love Trudeau, in general. Yet, our history is two decades behind Iceland. It is in the fine details of gender equality that Iceland excels in what I love and term “pragmatic gender egalitarianism.”
Ögmundardóttir: The major differences – what we have now full-force, but weren’t back then or were just somehow in the background and/or emerging: The internet, globalization of everything, more or less, tourism (although we have a little breathing-hole now because of covid), and last but not least: an environmental crisis affecting all and everything. Concerning gender issues here; we are in many ways moving forward but in some other terms we’re just as much struggling as everyone else. And what’s more, steps forward are NOT here to stay – they so easily are erased by bad laws, changes in our values and thus society – how we interact and see and evaluate each other – so it’s like anything we fight for, believing it’s for improvement, it’s precarious and its existence is only real if we practice what we preach, so to speak. We have domestic violence that is more often than not directed towards women and children, we have rapes and other sexual violence that also affects women more than men, we still have a salary-gap between men and women that cannot be explained with anything but their gender, and so on. Although I want to shake the boat more and stop this duality-view of humans as either male of female – we are so much more complex and it’s very old-fashioned to focus so much on male-female equality. But I know what you mean, in many ways we are ahead and when I talk to my friends abroad, in countries where it’s basically life-threatening to be a woman, I am rather pleased with the situation here.
Jacobsen: Now, why go to Uppsala for the Ph.D. in Anthropology?
Ögmundardóttir: I had taken my undergraduate in Gothenburg and Stockholm, my MA in Iceland, and there was no doubt in my mind I wanted to go abroad for my PhD. And I simply searched for a programme and a supervisor who fit my topic of interest and found that in the Department of cultural anthropology at Uppsala University. I couldn’t afford a university that cost much, so Scandinavia was a good choice. I took my two little girls with me to Sweden and the school-system there for young children was appealing to me. I had friends in the country already and by going there I would be closer to them. I knew the language and the system, had a social security number already and slipped into the system easily.
Jacobsen: You Ph.D. dissertation was entitled “The Shepherds of Þjórsárver.: Traditional Use and Hydropower Development in the Commons of the Icelandic Highland” (2011). What is the feeling in getting the Ph.D.?
Ögmundardóttir: It was nice, of course, but also a little sad because it meant I would have no reason to stay there longer, really; Uppsala is close to my heart and my best friends since decades live there or close by, and I miss them every day. But it meant I had a certificate to wave, so to speak, and my words had increased weight in discussions – and we can argue if that is right and fair or not – and last but not least, I had more freedom to be mobile as an academic which is the best thing of all for a restless soul like me who needs freedom more than most other things to thrive.
Jacobsen: What was the central thesis and question about the traditional use and development of hydropower in the Iceland Highland? Also, for those who do not recognize the terminology from Anglo ancient law, what is the commons?
Ögmundardóttir: The commons is this space – in terms of geographical space, but also social and cultural space – where we in a way become equal, in terms of access and ability to be present and heard/seen. I cannot pretend to give the one and only definition of “the commons” but for me, these traits are important. To define a certain area, resource, phenomenon of various kind, that everyone (either all humans or a certain group of humans) has equal access to, is an old way of relating to each other and to our surroundings/environment, and it has lasted and endured in most areas of the world since – most likely – the beginning of human time, in spite of all kinds of political and economic attempts at eliminating them, the commons, by those who believe in private property and want to take them as theirs to use and thereby prevent others from enjoying their treasures, of whatever kind they are. Our atmosphere is a commons, space is (still) a commons, big parts of the earth’s oceans, much of our freshwater, etc. (although the privatization of water is increasing and posing problems to many, especially the poor). My thesis was about the social, cultural and political means people have to protect a piece of land – in this case the commons of a specific rural municipality in Iceland – against state and corporate encroachment. The theme is the familiar one of a hydropower dam-building plan that would destroy a wetland ecosystem, Þjórsárver, and reduce its cultural value and thus hurt the common identity of the community that has used it for centuries, both in terms of access to grazing for their sheep, and as a mental and social refuge from the repetition of daily life. It also has a scientific and conservation value and is one of the last untouched patches of vegetation and birdlife in the highland of Iceland. It is both a strength and a weakness that the area the farmers want to keep intact is a commons; the strength is that they have a common responsibility for it, it being an area of ancient common use, and it is a part of their common identity, but also their weakness because not everyone agrees on its worth and value, as some farmers don’t have sheep and have not emotional nor social ties to the area. But the picture is more complex than that because even people in the community who don’t have sheep and even never have still would never allow its destruction, and the issue of families, family ties, party politics, economic interests within the are and so on, cross-cut the mobilization against the dam scheme.
Jacobsen: What were the main findings of the thesis?
Ögmundardóttir: Well, some of it I talked about in the former answer, but basically these several dozens of farming families have managed to prevent the National power company, owned by the Icelandic state, from building the reservoir Norðlingaölduveita, for decades now (the original plan even dates back to the beginning of the 20th century). Against all odds, against nationalistic ideas of progress of a newly free nation, against the dominant party politics ideology, against very strong industrial and corporate economic interests, they have succeeded with an amazing “toolkit” to stop the plan, sometimes so close to defeat that I sweat when I think about it! Their knowledge and resourcefulness has enabled them to play the multiple strings of resistance, and it has not least been their ties to foreign aid from natural scientists and activists that has made the difference between defeat and victory. Iceland is not an island in all meanings of the term – we are a part of the world and what we do here with “our” nature is not our private business, and when the eyes of the world are on us doing “the wrong thing”, our vain politicians (well, some of them!) often understand that it matters how you talk and behave; it’s not just your fellow country-people who hear you! And “my” farmers have also played their political party-cards well, pulling strings that have strategically helped them bringing forward their cause. And the fact that all Icelanders belong to families and clans (I sometimes call them tribes – Iceland is really an industrialized tribal society, you know!) has enabled my farmers to pull the strings of family- and blood ties which are of great importance here if you want to get anywhere with your ideas and life in general.
Jacobsen: To some of the teaching content for you, what is the state of globalization now? What is the state of ethnography?
Ögmundardóttir: Ethnography has become a fashionable way to do anything between interviewing people about their driving behavior, through cities and institutions being inclusive in planning and constructing, to saving the world from the ills of climate change. Now, my engineering colleagues are incorporating ethnographic methods into their university programs, wanting to learn about qualitative methods, participant observation, action research and I don’t know what! As an example. I remember being a part of groups of interdisciplinary researchers dealing with, let’s say emissions or sustainable fisheries, 20 years ago as the only qualitative, female researcher (two boxes ticked by hiring me!) to now being one of several social and humanities researchers and the qualitative methods being an integrative part of the premise of the project (in order to get funding – again; boxes ticked!) and not just an add-on towards the end, when the modelers and oceanographers and biologists and engineers had done their part – the bulk of the project, in terms of manpower, time and money. Well, I might be a bit unfair here, but overall the scientific landscape has changed and I find myself in the situation of being THE ethnographer, wanted (alive, not dead!) in research because environmental issues cannot be dealt with but by many disciplines in cooperation and communication. Alas, less and less time is allocated to do the research, which is against anything ethnographic – and my task is to somehow fix that. For me, ethnography is a way of life, again, it is how I cope with reality, both for good and bad – I find it hard to put my ethnographic self aside when I’m not at work, sometimes I succeed, sometimes it just happens automatically, but above all it has become my coping method to deal with the globalized world with all its horrors and heavens. And to teach this approach to the human condition is such a privilege – I would have given up and turned to something else if I didn’t have to opportunity to explore ethnography with my students. That is the essence of anthropology to me.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Assistant Professor, Social and Human Sciences, University of Iceland.
[2]Individual Publication Date: September 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Ögmundardóttir-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Professor Helga Ögmundardóttir on Laxness, Pivotal Early Moments, Iceland Then and Now, and Hydropower in Iceland Highland: Assistant Professor, Social and Human Sciences, University of Iceland (1)[Online].September 2020; 25(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Ögmundardóttir-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 8). Conversation with Professor Helga Ögmundardóttir on Laxness, Pivotal Early Moments, Iceland Then and Now, and Hydropower in Iceland Highland: Assistant Professor, Social and Human Sciences, University of Iceland (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Ögmundardóttir-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Professor Helga Ögmundardóttir on Laxness, Pivotal Early Moments, Iceland Then and Now, and Hydropower in Iceland Highland: Assistant Professor, Social and Human Sciences, University of Iceland (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Ögmundardóttir-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Professor Helga Ögmundardóttir on Laxness, Pivotal Early Moments, Iceland Then and Now, and Hydropower in Iceland Highland: Assistant Professor, Social and Human Sciences, University of Iceland (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Ögmundardóttir-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Professor Helga Ögmundardóttir on Laxness, Pivotal Early Moments, Iceland Then and Now, and Hydropower in Iceland Highland: Assistant Professor, Social and Human Sciences, University of Iceland (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Ögmundardóttir-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Professor Helga Ögmundardóttir on Laxness, Pivotal Early Moments, Iceland Then and Now, and Hydropower in Iceland Highland: Assistant Professor, Social and Human Sciences, University of Iceland (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Ögmundardóttir-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Professor Helga Ögmundardóttir on Laxness, Pivotal Early Moments, Iceland Then and Now, and Hydropower in Iceland Highland: Assistant Professor, Social and Human Sciences, University of Iceland (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 25.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Ögmundardóttir-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Professor Helga Ögmundardóttir on Laxness, Pivotal Early Moments, Iceland Then and Now, and Hydropower in Iceland Highland: Assistant Professor, Social and Human Sciences, University of Iceland (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 25.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Professor Helga Ögmundardóttir on Laxness, Pivotal Early Moments, Iceland Then and Now, and Hydropower in Iceland Highland: Assistant Professor, Social and Human Sciences, University of Iceland (1)[Internet]. (2020, September 25(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Ögmundardóttir-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 444
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dr. Giuseppe Corrente is a Computer Science teacher at Torino University. He earned a Ph.D. in Science and High Technology – Computer Science in 2013 at Torino University. He has contributed to the World Intelligence Network’s publication Phenomenon. He discusses: the Mafia and the Vatican; the origin of the mafia in Italy; mobbing-bossing; the Mafia offshoots; the great companies; the Mafia attractive to some Italians; the benefits of joining of the Mafia; southern Italy; and conclusion.
Keywords: Giuseppe Corrente, Italy, Mafia, Vatican.
Conversation with Dr. Giuseppe Corrente on the Mafia and the Vatican: Computer Science Teacher, Torino University (8)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Sir, shall we finish? Italy is known for two big organizations: the Mafia and the Vatican. Although, the Vatican appears to have its own autonomous region as recognized by the United Nations with the Holy See. What is the origin of the Roman Catholic Church and the Vatican in Italy?
Dr. Giuseppe Corrente[1],[2]*: The Vatican is a state inside a state, a small state in Rome. The fact that is in Italy exercises enormous power in education, politics, government, moral in the course of past decades and in the present. The Roman Catholic Church history is fused with that of the whole Occident since the origin.
Jacobsen: What is the origin of the mafia in Italy?
Corrente: The origin of the mafia is determined by Sicilian way to dominate poor agricultural masses since 1800. Now it is diffused in all the world, but has its roots in southern Italy. It is also a way of thinking diffused in the population and not only a criminal organization.
Jacobsen: What in the heck is mobbing-bossing?
Corrente: If a hierarchical superior wants take over you, not only as an employee but in your whole life, this is bossing. It is also known as vertical mobbing.
Jacobsen: What are the Mafia offshoots in institutions?
Corrente: In many ways, but the one that mostly I have noticed is an indirect one: in the way of thinking, in the style of managing. The reflection of the Mafia in companies and institutions in this sense is above all the bossing as the main style of personnel management.
Jacobsen: What are the great companies in Italy?
Corrente: Multinationals, or their local branch, sited mainly in Northern Italy.
Jacobsen: What makes the Mafia attractive to some Italians?
Corrente: Unemployment. If Southern Italy is seen only as a way to take funding by companies and is not seen or cured by the Institutions, then the Mafia is a consequence.
Jacobsen: What are some of the benefits of joining the Mafia? What are the obvious downsides of joining the Mafia?
Corrente: Mirage of many, many money. The risk of life and to become a Mafia slave.
Jacobsen: What makes southern Italy a huge for great companies?
Corrente: In the past for the possibility of funding and the lack of control of their use. I hope this is not true for the present, but I am not sure.
Jacobsen: Any final feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the series of interviews?
Corrente: I am very grateful for the opportunity to tell some parts of my life and of my ideas.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Giuseppe.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Ph.D. (2013), Science and High Technology – Computer Science, Torino University.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-8; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Dr. Giuseppe Corrente on the Mafia and the Vatican: Computer Science Teacher, Torino University (8) [Online].September 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-8.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 15). Conversation with Dr. Giuseppe Corrente on the Mafia and the Vatican: Computer Science Teacher, Torino University (8). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-8.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Dr. Giuseppe Corrente on the Mafia and the Vatican: Computer Science Teacher, Torino University (8). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-8>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Dr. Giuseppe Corrente on the Mafia and the Vatican: Computer Science Teacher, Torino University (8).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-8.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Dr. Giuseppe Corrente on the Mafia and the Vatican: Computer Science Teacher, Torino University (8).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-8.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Dr. Giuseppe Corrente on the Mafia and the Vatican: Computer Science Teacher, Torino University (8)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-8>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Dr. Giuseppe Corrente on the Mafia and the Vatican: Computer Science Teacher, Torino University (8)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-8.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Dr. Giuseppe Corrente on the Mafia and the Vatican: Computer Science Teacher, Torino University (8).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-8>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Dr. Giuseppe Corrente on the Mafia and the Vatican: Computer Science Teacher, Torino University (8) [Internet]. (2020, September 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-8.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.D, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,427
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Erik Haereid is an Actuarial Scientist and Statistician. Eivind Olsen is the Chair of Mensa Norway. Tor Arne Jørgensen is the 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe. They discuss: the high-IQ communities available in Norway; membership in Mensa Norway; the issues perceived in running a high-IQ national group; the qualifications for Mensa Norway; the culture of Norway on mainstream intelligence tests and alternative tests; the considered importance of high-IQ and high-IQ societies; the flavours of the high-IQ societies; some of the unique, or nearly distinct, qualities of Norwegian culture mapped onto the high-IQ communities; and some of the plans and expected developments for Mensa Norway.
Keywords: Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, IQ, Mensa, Mensa Norway, Tor Arne Jørgensen.
Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: One of the most respected, for longevity and size, high-IQ organizations in the world is Mensa International. No question about it. Some see Mensa International as nothing more than a gigantic social club. Others see the organization as a means by which to connect and politic with the movers and shakers of some of the high-IQ community globally or within a national context. Nonetheless, its stability belies a particular functionality of aim and purpose, and structure, compared to all other high-IQ societies and, thusly, deserves proper praise and adulation. Another aspect of the global focus of Mensa International is the appropriate functionality in breaking apart the big organization into national sub-organizations with chairs. For example, Mensa Norway is one of the national groups for Mensa International. As it so happens, we have the leader of Mensa Norway here today with Mr. Olsen. Also, we have alternative test very high scorers in the presence of Mr. Haereid and Mr. Jørgensen. All from Norway. With Mensa and with Norway, and based on suggestions from participants, the start with Mensa Norway seems like a functional starting point here. Also, it can provide a basis to get down to brass tax about the fundamentals of Norwegian culture and its high-IQ communities, as such. Let’s begin, as per usual, with some softball questions, what are the high-IQ communities available in Norway, whether formal or informal of which you are aware at this time?
Erik Haereid[1]*: I am only aware of Mensa Norway, and became a member at age 49, in 2013. I have never been involved in that kind of organization earlier.
Tor Arne Jørgensen[2]*: None that I`m aware of today as informal goes, and as formal goes we have only Mensa Norway.
Eivind Olsen[3],[4]: I’ll expose my ignorance even at this first question, and set myself up to receive a proper intellectual beating. I’m not really aware of any other high-IQ society/community in Norway. Sure, there are some international societies that have some Norwegian members, but I don’t have the impression that there’s much activity.
Jacobsen: How much does membership in Mensa Norway cost? Who is a member here? What are some of the demographics of Mensa Norway? How has Mensa Norway been helpful in connecting to the national high-IQ community for each of you?
Haereid: 500 Norwegian kroner a year.
2% of the 2% smartest in Norway are members of Mensa Norway; about 2,000 members out of theoretically 100,000 members. Who are those 2% of the 2%? A fine mixture. Men, women, quite young, quite old, highly educated, no education, a variety of different works, different political views, different moral views, some nice, some not so nice, and so on. From all over the country.
Anyway, I think the 98% other Norwegians that theoretically qualify for Mensa is, on average, other types than those who are members. I know some people, quite a few actually, who would qualify for Mensa but don’t dare to try the test. That’s one difference; the courage, belief in themselves, bigger ego maybe. And I guess Mensans are more occupied with their and other’s IQ, and not especially more intellectual than the other equal intelligent bunch. It’s obviously about making friendship with someone who thinks like yourself, because “no one else does”.
But it’s also about this identification. Some exaggerating being different from the rest, the normal part of the population, because they want to feel better as to intelligence, and then they can claim that they don’t belong among normal people. In other words: I think Mensans feel more odd than equally intelligent people outside Mensa, in average. The focus is IQ and intelligence, or puzzles and brain games, more than using one’s intelligence to something useful in the general society. Maybe. It’s diverse also inside Mensa. I see people there discuss a variety of themes, most daily problems, in ways that people with more normal intelligence wouldn’t. At least not in such an intellectual language. That’s something. I miss more existential discussions, though.
The egos are generally big, but maybe not more among Mensans than others. It’s difficult to say. In Mensa and in general in high IQ communities it’s more specific focus on IQ-measures, intelligence per se and competition between members.
That said, it’s not easy to be different. Many highly intelligent people are treated bad in a universal harsh environment. It’s about normality everywhere.
The national high IQ community is, to me, Mensa. I don’t feel especially welcomed. I think this varies depending on who you ask. To me it’s more about suspicion and subtle attacks. I guess the reason is mixed; I am not very social and inviting as a person. Stubborn. Demanding, I guess. And I score high on unauthorized IQ-tests. That doesn’t sound well in Mensa. It’s also about personal traits, and what you write and how people interpret that. Mensans and people in the high IQ communities are in that respect not different from others.
Jørgensen: I am not a member of Mensa Norway, but within the near future a Mensa membership could be exciting to explore. So by that I leave the follow-up questions to my peers.
Olsen: The membership fee for a full year is 500 NOK (approximately 57 USD or 48 EUR), if you’re 18+. There’s a 50 % discount if you’re under the age of 18, and a 50 % discount if you join from 1st of July until 31st of October. Yes, the discounts stack. Our gender distribution is about 77.5 % male, 22.5 % female, and < 1 % identifying as other/unknown. Approx. 30 % of our members are in the 31-40 age bracket. Our youngest member recently started in their first year at school, and a handful of current members were born before WW2.
Mensa was the first high-IQ society I joined (I was recruited by my fiancée, before we were a couple), and we have several friends here. So far I haven’t really seen the need to pursue more obscure societies. I don’t even know if I would qualify for any of the “higher” societies.
Jacobsen: For the two who aren’t leaders of a national high-IQ group, what seem like some of the issues perceived in running a high-IQ national group? For the one who is a leader of a national group, what are some of the difficulties of bringing together the high-IQ communities under the same umbrella?
Haereid: To unify a lot of un-unifiable single individuals. It’s a lot of different intelligent people with strong individual opinions, and therefore a lot of ME.
To make objective goals with plans that fulfills the original idea of Mensa from the post WW2 when established in 1946; to gather the most intelligent people to create ideas to avoid future wars and holocaust-scenarios. Including racism and social polarization. It seems that this is forgotten or repressed.
Jørgensen: Well it is hard to say as I have no personal experience in leading a high-IQ group, but I would expect from what I have previous seen in the various groups by portraying the role of active leadership, followed by scrutiny with reference to the group-leaders’ personal innovative engagement within the various thematic forums thus creating and securing oversight with reference to group stability.
Olsen: Here in Norway, I guess a big part of the hindrance is that there doesn’t seem to be any other active hiqh-IQ societies here.
Jacobsen: To the qualifications for Mensa Norway, what are the measurement tools demanded for membership? What is the standard deviation? What is available for members of the community? What is the range of scores of the members if this is known and available for public consumption/presentation? Who is the highest scorer on a mainstream intelligence test in Norway?
Haereid: When I got into Mensa, it was the spatial FRT-A test; a timed 20 minutes with 45 items. It’s a generally accepted, proctored test, with the aim of discriminating intelligence between those who are within and outside the top 2% of the population. The scores are treated by a professional psychometrician. The standard deviation used is 15 on that test; IQ>=131.
I think there are many proctored, mainstream tests that can be used, like WAIS. But Eivind knows more about this, I guess.
The scores are not available. The FRT-A and similar tests are built on equality; its purpose is to measure if you have over or under 131 in IQ; if you are among or outside the top 2% of the general population, not to measure your detailed IQ beyond that.
Who is the highest scorer on a mainstream intelligence test in Norway? I would like to hear from Eivind who that is. I don’t know.
Jørgensen: As to the highest scorer on mainstream intelligence tests in Norway I would say Haereid, I would also rank him as the one to beat to reach top spot.
Olsen: We have the same requirements as other Mensa countries. You’ll need to have taken a reputable and recognized test in a supervised / monitored setting. You’ll need a score within the top 2 %, but you’re not required to take the test we provide; several other tests are valid. The test we do provide gives a score in SD 15. When people join based on another test, it’s quite often a WISC or WAIS test administered by a psychologist.
We don’t have any easily available, good statistics of the scores our members have received, except that we are fairly confident they are all within the top 2 %. Most of them join based on the test we provide, and the highest score accessible there is top 1 % (“IQ 135 or higher, at SD 15”). I have taken a non-scientific approach and asked several people I know what their score was, and it seemed to be approximately 50/50 split between 2 % and 1 %.
I don’t know who the highest scorer on any reputable intelligence in Norway is. I believe the usual reputable tests, such as the Wechsler tests, only go up to 160 @ SD15, and I’m sure there must be multiple people attaining that score.
Don’t get me started on inflated IQ scores where one conveniently lists their SD24-score without mentioning the SD and compares it to someone elses SD15-score, or where people get described as “having a higher IQ than Einstein!”…
Jacobsen: The World Genius Directory does seem to demand certification of the tests and the test scores from testees. This can be helpful. As far as I am aware, Mensa International and the Triple Nine Society – and some others – are similarly demanding and, in fact, more stringent with the requirement of mainstream intelligence tests only as opposed to mainstream intelligence tests and alternative tests for admissions. Indeed, if one examines the World Genius Directory, they can see the degrees to which the alternative tests far outnumber the mainstream intelligence test. For example, in terms of the test scores earned and submitted, Erik earned 185 S.D. 15 on the N-VRA80, while Tor earned a 172 S.D. 15 on the Lexiq. How is the culture of Norway on mainstream intelligence tests and alternative tests? How seriously is either taken? How are these incorporated into the international, national, or local organizations having various cutoffs and criteria for membership?
Haereid: Mensa is strict. Not only as to admission, but also respect; there is an anti-alternative IQ-test culture. In Mensa, and I may exaggerate, are these untimed tests, many of them beautiful cognitive challenges with proper or at least quite good norms, seen as severe diseases. But I see some Norwegian mensans on the scoreboards on these alternative tests. That pleases me.
I am among the top scorers on several different alternative tests, in all categories (numerical, verbal and spatial) with high credibility in the high-IQ-environment, through many years (since 2013), and I still get critical questions from some; even though I beat most people with IQ-scores from 160 to 175 (S.D. 15) on mainstream, proctored, accepted tests, like WAIS. Some norms are, obviously, not good. Some are quite good, even though they can’t beat norms on tests like WAIS; it’s not enough data.
It seems that some have fastened in the speed-thing; “intelligence has only to do with speed”. Of course, speed is a factor, and important too. But why not include the kind of tests that has to do with solving complex problems and necessarily take some more time than 20 or 120 minutes? I guess this is debated thoroughly in the psychological environments, but anyway. I am not the only one in the high IQ community that asks this. Of course, there is a significant correlation in IQ, between the mainstream and alternative tests mentioned. To me this is obvious.
Jørgensen: As to the how the general culture of the alternative intelligence tests and its acceptance by reference to its streamline counterpart, the supervised intelligence tests. This by ground of unbalanced relationship for the sake of its professional structure and seriousness rating. Further,o the incorporation of these tests when based on the grounds of validation by relying on one for its confirmation of its counterpart, thus factualized with the following reference to the incorporation of todays standard deviation is set to the basis of the equalization principle.
Olsen: We (Mensa) can only accept scores from reputable tests that are properly normed, and that are taken in a supervised setting. We need to have confidence that you took your own test without getting any help from friends or family. And I’ll admit that I’m somewhat sceptical of the validity and reliability of any test that’s normed based on response from 10-15 people.
Jacobsen: In America, there has been a long-term decline in the considered importance of high-IQ and high-IQ societies; in fact, there’s a continuous decrease over decades of the perceived import of IQ in general. How is this trend, if any, in Norway?
Haereid: That’s interesting. It’s the opposite in Norway. We have a rise in focus, and with the Mozart of Chess Magnus Carlsen in our backyard, its importance is increasing. I don’t know if this is the case within the educational system. Tor Arne could say more about that. In general, it has gained more respect. That’s my impression.
Why is it a decline in America, do you think?
Jørgensen: The obvious response to the question at hand is to only give my support to the notion of decline, based on my personal opinion to have a high intelligence has never been looked upon as a «big deal» in any form or shape, only physical activity is viewed as any proper degree of importance in Norway.
Olsen: Whether high IQ is of importance depends entirely on who you ask. Of course, having high IQ doesn’t make you a better person, it doesn’t guarantee that you’re don’t have any glaringly negative personality issues, and it doesn’t ensure you’ll have great success in life, but there can’t be any doubt that in general higher IQ gives you access to a somewhat better toolbox. Whether you use the tools for anything worthwile is a completely different matter.
I’d also like to mention a comic strip; it’s an goldie oldie from Savage Chickens: https://www.savagechickens.com/2008/12/iq-test.html
Regarding the importance of IQ societies: it is what we make of it. Several of our members consider us to be a social environment for them. And we are that too, but not *only* that. Like pretty much every volunteer organisation, we do what we can with what our volunteers can or will provide. For example, we recently spent some time and effort into writing and sending our answer(s) to an open hearing regarding a new “law of education” here in Norway. The proposed changes to the law would have made it more difficult for gifted children to get an individually adjusted education.
Jacobsen: In terms of the flavours of the high-IQ societies, of which there are many, what seem like some of the overlaps of the styles and contents of Norwegian high-IQ individuals and societies?
Haereid: I think there are many equal traits among high IQ people independent of nation; some general ones, like stubbornness, knowing best, strong opinions, fast (and often wrong) conclusions, feeling alone and isolated, victims of bullying, nerdy, ironic. A winner in one’s own view and a loser in the normal population. This is the same in Norway as anywhere else.
Jørgensen: The general search for innovative commitment within various fields of interest such as politics, technology, and space exploration. Futher more, intelligence testing of varying degree of difficulty in the search for what is possible to achieve considering one`s mental qualities.
Olsen: I know there’s some overlap. Some of our members are also members in one or more other high IQ societies, but I don’t have the impression that it’s something many of our members do. Disclaimer: I don’t have hard facts / numbers to back this up. This is just my gut feeling, after having conversations with several members.
Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, what seem like some of the unique, or nearly distinct, qualities of Norwegian culture mapped onto the high-IQ communities, inasmuch as these exist to various types and degrees?
Haereid: At the moment I can’t come up with any specific.
Generally, Norway is a social democracy, with traditionally a rural population. We are not very social, but kind if people (want to and dare to) learn to know us. We hate small talk, I guess, and fumble when we meet any from abroad that are better than us in being nice to strangers. That’s not one of our strengths. We are not very nice to strangers, who we treat like trespassers; people we don’t know, foreigners, can experience Norwegians as ignorant and rejective. But often it’s shyness, based on a history under suppression. Norwegians can be quite rude, and seemingly lack empathy. It’s not our best trait. But we can also be the best friend if we feel comfort and learn to trust the people around us. Norwegians are intelligent. But it’s not always that visible because of the shyness and introvert behavior; you have to read between the lines. I think Norwegians are complicated, and that includes the highly intelligent ones.
Jørgensen: With that notion in mind from previous question, there is a clear link in order to not undermine their qualities in order to «fit in» with their own, and not overestimate these qualities solely based on their sociocultural perspective within its contextual contemporary momentum.
Olsen: I guess modesty might be a Scandinavian thing; it does seem like several members are afraid that others will know they’re a member. Not because they’re ashamed of the organization, but because they think it might be considered bragging.
Some members are asking if they should put their Mensa membership on their resume / CV, also fearing that it might be seen as bragging.
Personally, I don’t see why it should be a problem that someone finds out you’re a member. For me it boils down to if, how and when I inform people. It’s never the first thing I tell people, unless it’s relevant. If I meet someone in a social setting, I *never* introduce myself as “Eivind Olsen, chair of Mensa Norway”, but I will do that if it’s relevant, for example if I’m being interviewed by media. I don’t even try to argue that “you should listen to me because my IQ score is probably higher than yours” – that’s the quickest path to losing any discussion, really. I don’t flash my membership card unless I have a good reason. One good reason would be when I buy hamburgers at the regular meeting place of my local Mensa chapter, since I will then get a discount.
Jacobsen: What are some of the plans and expected developments for Mensa Norway in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic, whether in 2020, 2021, even potentially beyond?
Olsen: All our physical activities were put on hold for a while but we’re now opening up more and more again. We have our annual “national test day” in 2 weeks, and all our proctors have been informed about the extra precautions we are taking, such as ensuring people keep their distance, and making sure there’s plenty of disinfectant available (for external use only). We are still growing, but somewhat slower than we would have expected had this been a non-coronavirus year. Some of our bigger plans have had to slow down due to the situation but we’re hoping we can pick up the lost speed.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Erik Haereid has been a member of Mensa since 2013, and is among the top scorers on several of the most credible IQ-tests in the unstandardized HRT-environment. He is listed in the World Genius Directory. He is also a member of several other high IQ Societies.
Erik, born in 1963, grew up in Oslo, Norway, in a middle class home at Grefsen nearby the forest, and started early running and cross country skiing. After finishing schools he studied mathematics, statistics and actuarial science at the University of Oslo. One of his first glimpses of math-skills appeared after he got a perfect score as the only student on a five hour math exam in high school.
He did his military duty in His Majesty The King’s Guard (Drilltroppen)).
Impatient as he is, he couldn’t sit still and only studying, so among many things he worked as a freelance journalist in a small news agency. In that period, he did some environmental volunteerism with Norges Naturvernforbund (Norwegian Society for the Conservation of Nature), where he was an activist, freelance journalist and arranged ‘Sykkeldagen i Oslo’ twice (1989 and 1990) as well as environmental issues lectures. He also wrote some crime short stories in A-Magasinet (Aftenposten (one of the main newspapers in Norway), the same paper where he earned his runner up (second place) in a nationwide writing contest in 1985. He also wrote several articles in different newspapers, magazines and so on in the 1980s and early 1990s.
He earned an M.Sc. degree in Statistics and Actuarial Sciences in 1991, and worked as an actuary novice/actuary from 1987 to 1995 in several Norwegian Insurance companies. He was the Academic Director (1998-2000) of insurance at the BI Norwegian Business School (1998-2000), Manager (1997-1998) of business insurance, life insurance, and pensions and formerly Actuary (1996-1997) at Nordea in Oslo Area, Norway, a self-employed Actuary Consultant (1996-1997), an Insurance Broker (1995-1996) at Assurance Centeret, Actuary (1991-1995) at Alfa Livsforsikring, novice Actuary (1987-1990) at UNI Forsikring.
In 1989 he worked in a project in Dallas with a Texas computer company for a month incorporating a Norwegian pension product into a data system. Erik is specialized in life insurance and pensions, both private and business insurances. From 1991 to 1995 he was a main part of developing new life insurance saving products adapted to bank business (Sparebanken NOR), and he developed the mathematics behind the premiums and premium reserves.
He has industry experience in accounting, insurance, and insurance as a broker. He writes in his IQ-blog the online newspaper Nettavisen. He has personal interests among other things in history, philosophy and social psychology.
In 1995, he moved to Aalborg in Denmark because of a Danish girl he met. He worked as an insurance broker for one year, and took advantage of this experience later when he developed his own consultant company.
In Aalborg, he taught himself some programming (Visual Basic), and developed an insurance calculation software program which he sold to a Norwegian Insurance Company. After moving to Oslo with his girlfriend, he was hired as consultant by the same company to a project that lasted one year.
After this, he became the Manager of business insurance in the insurance company Norske Liv. At that time he had developed and nurtured his idea of establishing an actuarial consulting company, and he did this after some years on a full-time basis with his actuarial colleague. In the beginning, the company was small. He had to gain money, and worked for almost two years as an Academic Director of insurance at the BI Norwegian Business School.
Then the consultant company started to grow, and he quitted BI and used his full time in NIA (Nordic Insurance Administration). This was in 1998/99, and he has been there since.
NIA provides actuarial consulting services within the pension and life insurance area, especially towards the business market. They was one of the leading actuarial consulting companies in Norway through many years when Defined Benefit Pension Plans were on its peak and companies needed evaluations and calculations concerning their pension schemes and accountings. With the less complex, and cheaper, Defined Contribution Pension Plans entering Norway the last 10-15 years, the need of actuaries is less concerning business pension schemes.
Erik’s book from 2011, Benektelse og Verdighet, contains some thoughts about our superficial, often discriminating societies, where the virtue seems to be egocentrism without thoughts about the whole. Empathy is lacking, and existential division into “us” and “them” is a mental challenge with major consequences. One of the obstacles is when people with power – mind, scientific, money, political, popularity – defend this kind of mind as “necessary” and “survival of the fittest” without understanding that such thoughts make the democracies much more volatile and threatened. When people do not understand the genesis of extreme violence like school killings, suicide or sociopathy, asking “how can this happen?” repeatedly, one can wonder how smart man really is. The responsibility is not limited to let’s say the parents. The responsibility is everyone’s. The day we can survive, mentally, being honest about our lives and existence, we will take huge leaps into the future of mankind.
[2] Eivind Olsen is the current chair of Mensa Norway. He has scored “135 or higher” (SD15) on the test used by Mensa Norway. He has also previously been tested with WISC-R and Raven’s. He recently took the MOCA test and aced it. When he’s not busy herding cats, he works in IT. He sometimes spends time with family and friends.
Eivind Olsen is a member of Mensa Norway since 2014, having filled various roles since then (chair of Mensa Bergen regional group, national test coordinator, deputy board member, and now chair).
He was born in Bergen, Norway, in 1976, but has lived in a few other places in Norway, including military service in the far north of the country.
Since he got bored at school and didn’t have any real idea what he wanted to do, he took vocational school where he studied electronics repair. He has worked in a different field ever since (IT operations).
He is currently residing in Bergen, Norway, with his significant other, 2+2 offspring, 2 cats and a turtle.
[3] Tor Arne Jørgensen is a member of 50+ high IQ societies, including World Genius Directory, NOUS High IQ Society, 6N High IQ Society just to name a few. He has several IQ scores above 160+ sd15 among high range tests like Gift/Gene Verbal, Gift/Gene Numerical of Iakovos Koukas and Lexiq of Soulios.
Tor Arne was also in 2019, nominated for the World Genius Directory 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe. He is the only Norwegian to ever have achieved this honor. He has also been a contributor to the Genius Journal Logicon, in addition to being the creater of toriqtests.com, where he is the designer of now eleven HR-tests of both verbal/numerical varient.
His further interests are related to intelligence, creativity, education developing regarding gifted students. Tor Arne has an bachelor`s degree in history and a degree in Practical education, he works as a teacher within the following subjects: History, Religion, and Social Studies.
[4] Individual Publication Date: September 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (1) [Online].September 2020; 24(D). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 15). Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.D, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.D. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.D (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.D. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (1)’, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.D., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.D (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Norwegians of the High-Range Discussion with Erik Haereid, Eivind Olsen, and Tor Arne Jørgensen: Statistician & Actuarial Scientist; Chair, Mensa Norway; 2019 Genius of the Year – Europe, World Genius Directory (1) [Internet]. (2020, September 24(D). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/norway-1.
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Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
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Abstract
This is an interview with an anonymous Canadian member of the high-IQ communities. He discusses: The University of British Columbia; some of the benefits of the higher IQ in personal life; some of the benefits of the higher IQ in professional life; statistics and mathematics; the local Vancouver culture; the campus culture; the degree in mathematics and statistics; the family background in high-level academics; this career in the sciences; and research question.
Keywords: campus culture, high-IQ, IQ, The University of British Columbia, Vancouver.
Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on High-IQ, the Sciences, Vancouver, and The University of British Columbia: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So, you’re studying at The University of British Columbia. You’re scoring high on alternative tests. You’re new to the community. What are some of the insights garnered through some of the mathematics and statistics education at The University of British Columbia for you?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member[1],[2]*: I learn most things on my own time, rather than relying on my education. Through my general education, I was quite pleased with my philosophy professor, and I even had a 3-hour conversation with him through office hours one time. He was knowledgeable on many subjects and had even let me borrow a few scholarly books and articles. I usually find it challenging to approach professors, which was the first time, but I found it quite a fantastic experience. I think some insights gained through my education thus far are how to encourage in-depth conversations about thought-provoking topics, listen carefully, consider other viewpoints, and learn voraciously. Even to hear all types of voices, such as those from peer-reviewed journal articles (holds most weight), professors, books, blogs, the internet, the general public, etc. Thanks to my current insights garnered, I think academia is a viable option for me to pursue in the future.
Jacobsen: What do you feel has been some of the benefits of the higher IQ in personal life?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: One benefit is self-confidence. It is important to feel satisfied in one’s ability to live life with the mindset that one can continue to grow, despite any setback. Of course, one should not go around bragging about one’s intelligence, as that will not yield any benefits socially. Even if you knew your I.Q. was much higher than someone else’s, it is not polite to show any signs of a superiority complex. Confidence and arrogance, while similar, are not the same. I think when being confident, you don’t view others as a threat, and instead, you can focus on using one’s higher I.Q. to try to benefit others. Arrogance points to low self-esteem because you feel threatened by other people and believe you must defend yourself. Confident people don’t have to repeatedly rub their achievements in people’s faces because they know their value. Knowing I have a high I.Q. made me recognize that I can probably succeed in a lot of things if the mindset and personality are at an appropriate level. Still, I should also be making positive contributions to other people’s lives at the same time.
Jacobsen: What do you feel has been some of the benefits of the higher IQ in professional life?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Given that IQ tests, like standardized tests, measure fundamental life skills, there are many benefits. My intelligence has helped me out tremendously, despite figuring things out relatively late in my life. It has helped me thrive in a STEM field at a reasonably elite University (top 40) despite a very poor work ethic since high school.
An exceptionally high IQ will likely help me comprehend difficult material, perform complex actions, or learn the intricate skills necessary for demanding tasks. Examples of cognitively demanding activities include STEM careers, mental sports (Chess, eSports, mental Olympians), music composition, and the like. The correlation between IQ and occupational success is lower in occupations that are less demanding and more repetitive. Sometimes, high IQ individuals will perform exceptionally poorly on tasks that correlate weakly with general intelligence.
Jacobsen: Why did you decide to pursue statistics and mathematics?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Going into university, I wasn’t so sure what I’d like because I never took academics seriously and had some of the poorest work ethic imaginable. I still did well in mathematics-based courses because they seemed to come naturally, perhaps because my culture had also prepared me more in mathematics. I believe aptitudes, interests, culture, and career prospects played decisive roles. My mathematical skills are currently higher than my verbal skills, so a STEM field made sense. On standardized tests, I can solve math problems considerably faster than verbal problems. However, my verbal reasoning skills have risen exceptionally quickly since university had begun. Culture has played a profound role because, like most immigrant parents (Chinese and Indian I can speak about), it does not look terrific if one decides to study a field that doesn’t lead to a secure job. Most try to look down on the arts and humanities as entirely useless. If I wasn’t worried about money, I would probably just major in Philosophy or Psychology and pursue my passions. It’s a bit late for that now since I took too many courses related to mathematics and statistics and performed well, so it would be a waste to turn away from it. I decided that I should probably try to obtain a double major in Statistics or Mathematics alongside Philosophy. I decided this was perhaps the best way to have a balance. It is hard to be very proficient in both domains, but someone of my caliber of intelligence should tackle the challenge.
Parents and peers have influenced me. I was encouraged to major in Computer Science by parents and pursue either Law or Medicine by peers. I was stuck deciding what type of career to choose, but I decided on these three fields at the start of university because I wanted to do what my friends did. However, my inner urge was telling myself to pursue the most important questions of our time. I spent more time learning about Philosophy, Psychology, and various other fields than my education, which has negatively impacted my academic performance. I made virtually my whole life based on my deepest interests instead of focusing solely on my STEM education. I don’t regret anything since it was what my inner drives told me I ought to do, rather than what my parents or peers would expect me to do instead. I hope to graduate with reasonable skills in statistics and mathematics to gain a job in case I decide to give up on research. This way, I get to study in a lucrative field and learn something I’m more interested in at the same time. My verbal reasoning abilities and vocabulary has been growing at an extraordinary rate and may even surpass my mathematical skills in time.
Life is arduous when you’re a late bloomer and giving it your all to discover what suits you. I’m gratified of myself for effectuating my interests in such a short amount of time.
Jacobsen: Do you find the local Vancouver culture conducive to the flourishing of high-IQ types?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: High IQ types are always more likely to flourish. However, no culture seems to be able to allow outliers and outsiders (geniuses) to succeed. People who are too different in both intelligence and personality will be way out of the norm. In today’s society, people are obsessed with STEM, whereas the genius follows their inner motivation to pursue abstract problems. Geniuses can never flourish without the right support and recognition to pursue their passions.
Jacobsen: How is the campus culture at The University of British Columbia?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: I don’t partake in campus culture, so I’m not totally sure. Every school I have attended has always been packed with Chinese people. Everywhere on campus, you can see Chinese students, both international and domestic, and in classes as well. I don’t care about which school I attend in Canada quite honestly; they are all the same to me. The elite universities are somehow overrepresented by East Asian’s, so Chinese culture will likely be of the most influence. UBC probably has many Chinese influences, such as in its style, food, and language. I tend to eat Chinese food quite a bit on campus, and every time I go, I see a bunch of Chinese students, whereas I tend to sit alone in my own world. Regardless, I am not the right person to ask regarding this.
Jacobsen: When you graduate with the degree in mathematics and statistics, what do you hope to pursue – more education or work relevant to the qualifications of mathematics and statistics?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: I might pursue a master’s in Mathematics, Statistics, or Philosophy. I had someone tell me I should aim for a Ph.D. in Cognitive Psychology. These programs can prepare me for a career in science. My STEM education will help me find a job, but it will be valuable in research additionally. Only academic research will fully employ my full capabilities, but I can do reasonably well in a standard setting, but I will likely not enjoy it. I am still early into my degree, so my aspirations may very well change in a few years, but I think at this moment, I have to do my best. I hope to graduate with ample skills to gain a job, but I will concentrate on academic research and try to reach the top of anything I wish to pursue.
Jacobsen: Do you find the family background in high-level academics an inspiration to pursue formal education more?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: No. Given that my family expects a lot from me, it makes me nervous and gives me tremendous pressure to perform admirably. Eternally I was not too fond of school and felt it was too dull for me. I did very well at times, but I think I didn’t feel very motivated unless I felt I could reach the top. Given that I didn’t take academics earnestly in the past, I still had a fear of failure because I was far behind everyone else in preparation and motivation. I feel that my peers influenced me a lot and made me take academics more seriously. In my senior year of high school, many of my classmates were striving for professional careers, so I just decided to follow them. I didn’t want to disappoint my parents, and I also didn’t want to be the only one among my peers to be way out of the norm. I decided I should aim to attend the best schools and the most prestigious programs and careers, although I later realized how pathetic I was to conform to such trivial matters. I discerned that I didn’t need any of this for motivation to pursue formal education more. My inspiration comes from my desire to acquire more knowledge and learn about the world, to fulfill my need for intellectual stimulation. Financial independence has never been a thing I worried about. My major worry is whether or not I will be able to reach the top of my career and solve the most challenging problems, against all odds. I am not guaranteed to become successful, but given that I have put a lot of energy into finding my academic passion, I can still reach my potential, despite being a late bloomer and gaining motivation at a very late stage of my life.
Jacobsen: If you pursue this career in the sciences, what sciences will most interest you? Why those?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Given that the subject of intelligence has had a profound impact on my life, I would choose to become an intelligence researcher. There are too many important topics and creative ideas I have in store. I consider this field a domain of importance, given its complexity and social value.
The International Society for Intelligence Research (ISIR) may be an organization I am interested in. Intelligence researchers are, without a doubt, the brightest in the broad field of psychology, and many individuals come from a variety of areas aside from psychology. Many intelligence researchers are self-taught statisticians. It is also a secret, but many intelligence researchers were once members of the most elite IQ societies (above Mensa with strict requirements) such as the Triple Nine Society (TNS), International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE), and the Prometheus society.
Intelligence is a bit of a taboo subject, and the topic is not given the undivided attention in university as it deserves. Most of the general public is not well educated on this subject, so I believe I can help fill in those gaps in all those myths that pervade our culture. It also seems like I may be destined to be the one to do this. I have had amazing conversations with the general public who are entirely clueless, and many times people tell me how grateful they are for sharing. They find the things I have to say to be very interesting, but they may not have the same level of intellectual curiosity I do.
My philosophical interests are related to the philosophy of science, philosophy of biology, philosophy of race, philosophy of genius, epistemology, and rationality.
To briefly discuss genius once again, some philosophers touch on this subject. Genius is vital to me because I realized that there is a high probability that I could be a genius. I have always had trouble understanding myself, but somehow this one label related to me more than anything else. Giftedness and Prodigiousness also influenced me and are likely what I am interested in as well.
I have not found much interest in mathematics or statistics research, but the skills acquired from my education will be invaluable to a career in research.
Jacobsen: What research question would most interest you?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: The research question that has interested me ever since I graduated high school was the controversial subject about the causes of group differences in IQ test scores within and between nations.
I want to pursue something useful to society and is complicated enough to feel intellectually satisfied. I am not here to solve social problems, but the truth may likely assist that indirectly. Finding all the environmental causes of group differences is an abstract problem.
The race and IQ subject has been in my head for over a year now, and it is a fascinating debate, despite its turbulent history. Intelligence isn’t taught seriously in university because different ethnic groups score differently, on average, on IQ tests. Solving this problem entirely would likely put an end to the taboo.
There are many different perspectives on this taboo subject, but it is my best opinion that the totality of evidence points to a solely environmental cause for group differences.
It just seems like I should be the one to solve this problem since I have developed the skills to rationally and honestly solve this problem, without racism/prejudice or political/personal bias. James Flynn was one of my favorite academics, and he had unfortunately passed away recently. It seems like the individual most likely to succeed him may very possibly be me. I understand his views the most and have conversed with him as well. His interest in race and IQ was due to his political opinions (he has publicly stated). However, he has been sincere and respectable, in addition to having profoundly contributed to the subject of intelligence.
Many people who believe there may be some genetic basis for the gaps (yet they can’t provide a percentage), but who are also afraid of how the research will be used, will likely ask the questions “Give me one reason this research benefits the world” or “What’s the point?” Some will go into flames and tell me whatever the answer may be; the consequences are too destructive. This implies that they believe in what they do not want. These people wish this subject to somehow be ignored for thousands of years. This is a fallacy. These individuals never provide any evidence for their assertions and always rely on fallacious arguments. The statement that IQ is mostly based on genetics is entirely worthless. Any reasonable person should not be afraid of tackling this problem honestly. These people cannot see that their opinions are not based on rational scientific reasoning. I see the differences as likely to be minor and of unknown direction.
I am not very political, but I have given enough thought to why solving this problem will benefit the world. Aside from ending the taboo on IQ, I have realized that there is no rational reason to delay the inevitable. The causes of group differences are of crucial scientific interest, and if done fairly and honestly, can benefit the world. Many people tell me that the differences cannot be entirely environmental and say that I should ignore this subject altogether. These individuals never provide any evidence for their assertions and, when confronted, merely say that genetics influence intelligence, and thus group average differences must have some genetic component. This statement is ignorant and irrelevant to the subject at hand. Even if this is true, it is better to find all the environmental factors that handicap specific groups in society rather than ignore them. With that said, any argument that relies on trying to delay the inevitable can be very easily refuted. An appeal to consequences is just another fallacy I have no time for.
It is better for the answer to come out as soon as possible. I can not wait 500 years for this question to be settled because I will not be alive. Is it better for the truth to be known now, in 100 years, 500 years, or in 50,000 years? Any honest and reasonable person will immediately answer now. Anyone who says that we should never look for the truth exposes themselves as not believing that significant environmental factors influence these outcomes. If we never study the subject honestly, how can we find the environmental factors that can help certain groups advance in society? Also, note that no one will say any of these things in public, but only privately express their concerns. The wide range of viewpoints from the general public needs unpacking, and understanding the social experiences of different ethnic groups requires a candid examination. After this is settled, the IQ taboo should disappear. If we can not talk about this, then society has failed. No knowledge is dangerous by itself, only how we use it.
If we can give everyone a decent life, we wouldn’t need to worry about superficial things like race or IQ. At the moment, however, these things are not insignificant because they impact outcomes and overall life experience. If we ever reach that point for everyone in the world, where we wouldn’t need to care too much about IQ or race, life will be more pleasant for everyone worldwide. When I look at people, I try not to see color. I understand individuals for who they are. If everyone can live a satisfactory life, maybe if we glanced at one another, perhaps we would still detect color, but hopefully, we will notice something else standing behind it.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE).
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-2; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on High-IQ, the Sciences, and The University of British Columbia: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (2) [Online].September 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 15). Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on High-IQ, the Sciences, and The University of British Columbia: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on High-IQ, the Sciences, and The University of British Columbia: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on High-IQ, the Sciences, and The University of British Columbia: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on High-IQ, the Sciences, and The University of British Columbia: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on High-IQ, the Sciences, and The University of British Columbia: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (2)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on High-IQ, the Sciences, and The University of British Columbia: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (2)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on High-IQ, the Sciences, and The University of British Columbia: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-2>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on High-IQ, the Sciences, and The University of British Columbia: Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) (2) [Internet]. (2020, September 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-2.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 11, 2020
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Keywords: Advocacy for Alleged Witches, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030, Humanism, Humanist Association of Nigeria, Leo Igwe.
Muhammad Hassan Patigi: Witchcraft Allegations, ‘Healing’ and Human Degradation in Mokwa, Central Nigeria[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches, and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030. He is a friend, and boss at AfAW.
Some days ago, a Facebook contact drew my attention to a case of witch-hunting in Mokwa, in Central Nigeria. Mokwa is one of the 25 local governments in Niger state. Video clips of this disgusting incident have been circulating on social media. After reading one of the posts, I asked for details of the incident. But I did not get any reply. I searched for some information online but only saw an academic article, On the Articulation of Witchcraft and Modes of Production among the Nupe, Northern Nigeria by Dirk Kohnert. Kohnert argues that accusations of witchcraft are linked to the dynamics of production among the Nupe. Rich peasants and traders are suspected of witchcraft because they accumulate their wealth without fulfilling their traditional obligations to the poor. This piece only provided some academic insight into Nupe witchcraft. However, the tension and strain that underly witchcraft allegations find ventilating channels in the activities of self-acclaimed exorcists and healers as in this case.
On August 1, 2020, I searched online for any report on the witchcraft exorcism in Mokwa. Lo and Behold, a link to a post on Naijaworld, The Despicable Acts Happening In Mokwa, Niger State, popped up. The post summarizes the shameful theatrics and atrocities. I shuddered at images of humiliation, torture, and abuse including a revulsive scene where a person, an alleged witch, was forced to urinate into the mouth of another human being. This piece on Naijaworld does not have full details of the author. The page only has a twitter handle-@cynthia.
The post reads like a lamentation from a helpless fellow from Mokwa: “I have about four horrible videos that were sent to me. Of women whose clothes were removed and made to fight each other. Some men were completely stripped naked too and made to throw sands in each other’s eye, one of them was forced to urinate in another man’s mouth and made to gulp the urine. All these people are accused of witchcraft by a guy that I suspect is mentally deranged. His name is Hassan, allegedly from Patigi, Kwara state. Another one is a naked man that was paraded and violated to confess and mention the people he has killed with witchcraft. There is another old woman who should be about 80 years old that was beaten and a stun gun was used to deliver electric shock on her to confess that she is a witch. These are some of the despicable things happening in my home town right now. I have taken screenshots from the videos and attached here.”
The text further explains the dubious faith healing claims that Hassan had made:
“The guy claims he cures people miraculously. If you are hypertensive, paralyzed, blind, or suffer from other eye-related diseases, have diabetes, or any kind of disease, he would cure it. The paralyzed ones would walk. The deaf and dumb would be made to hear and talk. Couples who have been unable to conceive would conceive even without having sex, and my people have fallen deeply for this scam. I have been personally involved in sending people to interview those he claimed were healed, and none is true. He even instructs some people to stop taking their medications if they want his miracles to work.”
The author of the post noted that thousands of persons gathered for Hassan’s healing and witch-hunting exercise at a time that the government was trying to contain the spread of the coronavirus pandemic.
At the end of the post, there was an appeal for help: “I call on all human right organizations and activists to intervene for my people who have fallen victim to this inhuman and deplorable act of violence against innocent people by Hassan and his enablers. I call on Niger State Government to intervene and arrest the ugly situation and ensure that Hassan and his enablers face the full wrath of the law.”
I rang up the police public relations officer in Niger state. He told me that he saw the video of the witch-hunting exercise, the way that I did. He asked me to call back the following week for more details. But I could not wait because from what I read on social media, the situation was urgent. I called the Commissioner of Police several times but he did not pick the call. I searched online for the contact of any institution, school, or NGO in Mokwa. After several attempts, I came across the contact of a study center in Mokwa. I called the number, and the person kindly directed me to the chairperson of the Mokwa Forum, Muhammad Kudu. The chairman of Mokwa Forum confirmed the authenticity of the video circulating on social media. He noted that some well-meaning person from Mokwa posted the video to draw the attention of the world to the abominable activities going on in Mokwa. He noted that attempts have been made to stop these abuses but the traditional ruler has frustrated the efforts. According to Mr. Kudu, over a month ago, one Hassan Patigi emerged claiming to be a healer and to have the power to make infertile women pregnant. He also claimed to have the power to expose witches and exorcise witchcraft. Thousands of people used to convene at a public square at the Etisheshi area in Mokwa as Hassan Patigi engaged in his ‘healing’ and witchcraft exorcism. He had some quack medical officers who conducted tests for women who claim to have become pregnant as a result of his ministration. Some people in the community reported the case to the director of primary health care who tried stopping the quack medical officers without success. The traditional ruler took Patigi and quacks to his premises where they continued to conduct pregnancy tests. The chair of Mokwa Forum further recounted that someone sent the video to the Divisional Police Officer(DPO) in Mokwa, the Chief Press Secretary to the governor of Niger state, the Human Rights Commission in Abuja, the Police Headquarters, the state security service and the Chairman of Mokwa Local Government Area. A meeting was convened and the DPO asked Hassan Patigi if he had official permission from Abuja to do what he was doing during the COVID19 period. And he replied in the negative. However, the traditional ruler stood up and defended him, noting that Hassan Patigi was his guest; that he was in Mokwa to heal sick people. Mr. Kudu made it clear that the support from the Ndalile of Mokwa, as the traditional ruler of the area is called, made it difficult for those at the meeting to sanction Hassan Patigi. So Hassan continued his healing and witch finding activities at the compound of the traditional ruler. I asked the chairman of the Mokwa Forum to send me the videoclips, and he did.
In the first video, Hassan Patigi was speaking from a podium before a crowd of people. The alleged witches were standing half-naked or completely naked. Patigi was speaking Nupe language and urging the people to come and see the disgraced witches; that the accused persons have been disgraced because they were witches. He further declared that Prophet Muhammad was guiding him to expose and disgrace the witches in the community. That all the accused persons were a shame to their families. In the second video, Hassan Patigi ordered the alleged witches to go and fight each other. Members of the local vigilante group were at the scene. A local source said that some military and police officers were there. Patigi’s thugs could be seen beating the alleged witches with whips and sticks and urging them to fight each other. Any of them who refused to fight was beaten and pushed to the front of the crowd. Hassan is up at the podium wearing a jersey and throwing sachets of pure water at the alleged witches. At a point, Hassan ordered two of the alleged witches to urinate on each other:
His thugs were beating the accused urging them to urinate on each other. And the two men took turns to urinate on each other.
In another video, Hassan Patigi orders two of the alleged witches to remove their trousers, and he ordered his thugs to beat them so that they could confess to witchcraft. He urged them to confess to killing their relatives. And when they refused to confess, his thugs would beat them. Patigi asked one of them if he was not the one who killed his brother, and he denied. And he insisted that he must confess to doing so. The alleged witch was quiet, and his thugs started slapping and urging him to confess. Hassan was up on the podium singing, and he asked the alleged witches to be dancing around naked, and he was throwing sachets of pure water on them so that they could confess. At a point, the two accused males tried to use their hands to cover their private parts, and his thugs were beating and ordering them not to cover their private organs. According to my informant, Patigi claimed that the sachet water that he was throwing at the alleged witches had healing powers. At the beginning of each day, he prays over sachets of pure, and his assistants would give the healing water to all sick persons including the blind, lame, and deaf. Two other videos captured scenes of witchcraft exorcism at the palace of the traditional ruler of Mokwa, Hassan Patigi accused a woman of witchcraft and the accused, sitting on the ground, could be heard shouting that she was not a witch. At some point, Patigi’s thugs started beating and coercing her to confess to witchcraft.”
I have never heard about Hassan Patigi. I searched online for information about this faith healer. I saw a link to a youtube video showing him being ushered into an arena. Journalists from Tswangi Television went to interview him. In the video, Hassan said that anytime he pointed to any sick person, the blind, deaf and dumb and the lame, the person would recover. A man came forward and testified that his son had been sick for the past 8 years but as soon as Hassan Patigi prayed for him, he regained his health. A woman said that she could not stand for years, but did so after Hassan prayed for her. The Facebook page of Tswangi Television contains posts and videos on the ‘healing’ activities of Patigi. One of them reveals that Muhammad Hassan Patigi has two wives and a son, and used to have mental issues. At some point, he disappeared from his village and then emerged in Mokwa, where he is “performing miracles in God’s name by healing the cripple, deaf, dumb, blind, etc., and it’s also said that he helps those with infertility to conceive.” The post further notes that there is divided opinion on the validity and credibility of his healing claims, “Some people believe he is not doing real healing but deceiving people, some say he associates with djinns while some say he is doing real healing and that all he does is to pray.” Others have offered suggestions on why people are convening in huge numbers for Patigi’s miracle performances. One of the users said:..the best way to address this issue, if you want people to stop going to this guy is to fix the hospitals and make them accessible to the masses. Nothing is working in this country and that’s why people indulge in anything that comes their way. You can’t stop people when the government has refused to do their path. If our hospitals were equipped today and people with different illnesses go there and get treated at affordable costs, tell me who will patronize all these people again.” Using the telephone number on its Facebook page, I contacted the director of Tswangi Television to find out his thoughts about Hassan Patigi’s activities. He made it clear that some people in Mokwa believed that he was a healer while others thought he was a fraud. He further stated: “We are in Africa, in Nigeria, and in Nupeland, people are very superstitious. Many have problems that defy solutions, and so they go to anybody who promises to help or heal them.”
As I was compiling this report, a local source sent me a Facebook post where people commented on photos where Hassan Patigi was kissing some women. Somebody commented describing Muhammad Hassan Patigi as a fraudster, an MMM, and ‘419’.
The Advocacy for Alleged Witches calls for an immediate end to Muhammad Hassan Patigi’s witchcraft exorcism and fake healing sessions in Mokwa. What has been going on in Niger state is a national disgrace and a demonstration social and moral decay. It is disappointing to know that there were some state security officers at the scenes of such disgusting, barbaric, and obscene activities. Hassan Patigi is a charlatan parading himself as a healer. He is said to have a history of mental illness. And from all indications, Patigi needs to see a psychiatric doctor or be compelled to undergo some medical examination. AFAW calls for the arrest and prosecution of Muhammad Hassan Patigi, his quack medical/miracle accomplices, and all those involved in the beating and maltreating alleged witches in Mokwa. The police should ensure that Patigi and his thugs do not conduct any more witch finding and healing exercise anywhere in the region. The government of Niger state should sanction the traditional ruler of Mokwa, Ndalile Mokwa, who has been the enabler of these shameful and deplorable activities. There are unconfirmed reports that the mob killed some of the accused women. AFAW is working with its local contacts to authenticate the report, and help rehabilitate victims.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 11, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/muhammad-hassan-patigi-witchcraft-allegations-healing-and-human-degradation-in-mokwa-central-nigeria.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
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Words: 966
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Beatrice Rescazzi is the President of the AtlantIQ Society. She discusses: general internal dynamics of the AtlantIQ Society; the “most striking and distinctive thing about high IQ groups of women”; the listed tests; admission criteria; FAQs section; and membership.
Keywords: AtlantIQ, Beatrice Rescazzi, membership, qualifications, tests.
Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Membership and Qualifications: President, AtlantIQ Society (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let’s get into some of the general internal dynamics of AtlantIQ Society now, what is the current headcount of the membership? What are some general indications as to the demographics of the community in AtlantIQ Society? How does this current membership size and demographic compare to the beginnings, the early days, of AtlantIQ Society? What were some of the earliest productions of the community out of AtlantIQ?
Beatrice Rescazzi[1],[2]*: There are 210 members at the moment. I collected some stats in 2011 about their IQ and the language spoken by the members. The magazine was born a few months after the foundation of the society itself, which is now more than 10 years ago. Along with that, we created an affiliation with UNICEF on behalf of the entire society, and the members sent about 500 dollars to UNICEF for their humanitarian projects.

Jacobsen: What are some amusing facts women have in the high-IQ communities discuss amongst themselves about the general community, even about some of the controversies and personality feuds involving mostly the men?
Rescazzi: The most striking and distinctive thing about high IQ groups of women is that no one ever talks about their IQ, IQ tests, scores and comparisons with others. The main topic is of a political nature, followed by social issues, social justice, ethics, equality, books, art, space launches, artificial intelligence and more. I can’t think of any particular joke about the men in the group, but sometimes funny memes with male / female stereotypes are posted.
Jacobsen: You have a list of the admission criteria, as follows:
Accepted IQ tests:
EMC-30R (raw score=10)
HART-26 (raw score=8)
MRI-30R (raw score=14)
Tractatus Logicus 37 (raw score=10)
Logima Strictica 36 (raw score=8)
Esoterica (raw score=6)
LSHR (raw score=6)
LSHR Light (raw score=12)
Einplex (raw score=13)
Triplex (raw score=6)
Verba 66 (raw score=22)
DIGIT (raw score=18)
SLSE 48 (raw score=6)
TetrastIQ Light (raw score=15)
Cooijmans intelligence Test (raw score=23)
Other IQ tests can be considered and accepted.
in any case, acceptance is always at the will of either the President and/or the Officers.
(AtlantIQ Society, 2019a)
Why these tests? With the listed tests by Alexi Edin (e.g., the 2016 Extreme Matrix Challenge – 30: Revised, the 2017 High Abstract Reasoning Trial – 26, the 2017 Matrix Reasoning Index – 30: Revised, and the 2017 Digits Investigate General Intelligence Trial), Christopher Collin (e.g., the 2008 Tractatus Logicus 37), Robert Lato (e.g., the 1999 Logima Strictica 36), Mislav Predavec (e.g., the 2007 Esoterica and the 2008 Verba 66), Ivan Ivec (e.g., the LSHR, the LSHR Light, Einplex, and Triplex), Jonathan Wai (e.g., the 2003 Strict Logic Spatial Examination 48), Gabriel Garofalo (e.g., the TetrastIQ Light), and Paul Cooijmans (e.g., the 2009 Cooijmans Intelligence Test – Form 3E), why these test authors? Following from the last question, what made these particular authors’ tests, or the tests listed of these test creators, appealing and worthy of admission criteria stature?
Rescazzi: AtlantIQ tests are selected based on reliability criteria, in comparison to average scores of other tests, based on the number of people who have taken the test, based on the norming phase and if the test has been compromised by online answers. In the Admission & Info page of the AtlantIQ website it is written that “Other IQ tests can be considered and accepted.” This includes a multitude of other tests, ranging from classic ones to newer ones that are considered when evaluating the submission, taking into consideration the other elements necessary for membership.
Some tests, which I call “slot-machine” type tests, are usually not accepted, because I consider them unethical: in fact they exploit people’s low self-esteem to push them to spend money and repeat the tests indefinitely until they reach the highest possible score. Moreover, these tests are automatically corrected by a program, and therefore have no reason to take a lot of money from the testee people with each new attempt.
I am embittered by the maniacal fixation for the IQ score in this environment: where are the innovative ideas, the depth of thoughts, the superior global vision that must also apply to the people themselves? Is there only IQ in people, or is it the yardstick that measures their whole value? No. And intelligence certainly cannot just be enclosed in a fallacious number eradicated from what should be a full assessment of the potential performed by a psychometrist psychologist. Of course, that score measures a potential, but we must not compare it to intelligence itself or anything more important than what it represents.
Jacobsen: Let’s say someone qualifies, what does membership confer upon, or get, the new member into AtlantIQ Society?
Rescazzi: When a person is accepted as a member of AtlantIQ, he/she becomes a life member and has access to a reserved area of the site where he/she has access to the private group, the library, can take part in challenges, and can take decisions on the society itself by means of questionnaires.
References
AtlantIQ Society. (2019a). Admission and Info: Accepted IQ Tests. Retrieved from www.atlantiqsociety.com/admission-and-info.html.
Collin, C. (2008, September). Tractatus Logicus 37. Retrieved from news.generiq.net/TL37/tl37.html.
Cooijmans, P. (2009). Cooijmans Intelligence Test – Form 3E. Retrieved from https://iq-tests-for-the-high-range.com/cooijmans_intelligence_test.html.
Edin, A. (2016). Extreme Matrix Challenge – 30: Revised. Retrieved from media.iqlati.net/2017/11/EMC-30R.pdf.
Edin, A. (2017c). Digits Investigate General Intelligence Trial. Retrieved from media.iqlati.net/2018/09/DIGIT.pdf.
Edin, A. (2017b). High Abstract Reasoning Trial – 26. Retrieved from media.iqlati.net/2019/02/HART-26.pdf.
Edin, A. (2017a). Matrix Reasoning Index – 30: Revised. Retrieved from media.iqlati.net/2018/01/MRI-30R.pdf.
Garofalo, G. (n.d.). TetrastIQ Light. Retrieved from https://tetrastiqlight.weebly.com/the-test.html.
Ivec, I. (n.d.). Einplex. Retrieved from ivec.ultimaiq.net/einplex.htm.
Ivec, I. (n.d.). LSHR. Retrieved from ivec.ultimaiq.net/lshr.html.
Ivec, I. (n.d.). LSHR Light. Retrieved from ivec.ultimaiq.net/lshr_light.htm.
Ivec, I. (n.d.). Triplex. Retrieved from ivec.ultimaiq.net/triplex.html.
Lato, R. (1999). Logima Strictica 36. Retrieved from news.generiq.net/LS36/ls36.html.
Predavec, M. (2007, November). Esoterica. Retrieved from news.generiq.net/Trilogica/esoterica.html.
Predavec, M. (2008, September). Verba 66. Retrieved from news.generiq.net/Verba66/verba66.html.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] President, AtlantIQ Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-2; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Membership and Qualifications: President, AtlantIQ Society (2) [Online].September 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 8). Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Membership and Qualifications: President, AtlantIQ Society (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Membership and Qualifications: President, AtlantIQ Society (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Membership and Qualifications: President, AtlantIQ Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Membership and Qualifications: President, AtlantIQ Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Membership and Qualifications: President, AtlantIQ Society (2)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Membership and Qualifications: President, AtlantIQ Society (2)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Membership and Qualifications: President, AtlantIQ Society (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Membership and Qualifications: President, AtlantIQ Society (2) [Internet]. (2020, September 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-2.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 25.A, Idea: Land of Fire and Ice: Islandia, Snelandia, and Insula Gardari (1)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,686
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir is the Chief Executive Office of Dimmblá and Chief Executive Officer of Rebutia. She discusses: new developments on Dimmblá; Dimmblá and Rebutia; the second company start; and sustainability in fashion.
Keywords: Dimmblá, Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir, Rebutia, sustainable fashion.
Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Sustainable Fashion in Iceland: Chief Executive Officer, Dimmblá (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Okay, so, it’s been several years since we last talked.
Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir[1],[2]: Yes [Laughing].
Jacobsen: We’ve collaborated twice. I was an editor [Ed. and writer] for Trusted Clothes. We did an interview for Dimmblá. Secondly, you’re one of the few people, in fact, who I’ve permitted to do interview with me.
Sigfúsdóttir: [Laughing].
Jacobsen: I have been offered several. It was for your blog. So, I appreciate the opportunity to take part in that. So, here we are again, a third time, this time we will be focusing on something of which I am already aware, which is Dimmblá, and then a second thing which I only became aware only based on a conversation before the interview. It was the start-up that you’re beginning to – well – start up. Let’s start on known ground, what are some new developments on Dimmblá and then preface this on some conversation on ethical and sustainable fashion for those who may not know what it is?
Sigfúsdóttir: For developments for Dimmblá, basically, for years, when I had been working for Dimmblá, my passion became more and more on educating people more. In Iceland with Dimmblá, I was one of the first to start with an sustainable ethical brand. People were, more or less, shocked to see, “Why is this more expensive? Why do I buy something expensive? Why don’t I go to a fast fashion store and buy something 1/3rd of the price of this?” I started to do my newsletters and blog to, more or less, educate people. It is, more or less, helping them. It is not preaching to them. It is more like I don’t want people to get scared. I don’t want to scare children. I want people to be more aware of what they can do to do better in their daily life. It is not simply by me. Because, now, I am presenting brands, which I love and am a collaborator. For example, tomorrow, I am going live with a brand in Budapest. She is making amazing stuff from plastic straws and cork from the bottle.
So, I thought, “Okay, it is not only my brand, which I want to present. I want to present them. The small brands and startups that need to get to the market. However, I don’t have the knowledge of how to present themselves or do the marketing. However, I have experience and want to make use of it, and to present them. Also, I want to get to the masses of people of how to live a more sustainable life.” That’s, basically, the direction that I went. Even now, I started with accessories, scarves. I did a little bit of dresses, but I never wanted to go into mass production of anything. So, I started the pre-orders. Now, I am doing organic cosmetics or skincare. That’s the next thing that will come out from Dimmblá. This is my passion. I think there’s an occasion. This is what brought me to start the other company. I was really sure about my purpose. My purpose was to bring people service that will have reduced impact on the world. That’s exactly what I always think about; everything I do for Dimmblá. Also, everything I do for my other company, Rebutia. This one purpose has driven me forward.
Jacobsen: What does Dimmblá mean? What does Rebutia mean?
Sigfúsdóttir: [Laughing] Okay, so, Dimmblá is, basically, a Navy Blue. When I chose Dimmblá, I wanted to have something, which represented the nature of Iceland. When I started to think about the nature of Iceland, this is Navy Blue. We see this in so many things. When you see some of the collections that I did with the glacier collection, you see a lot of this colour. It is not that I wanted to see everything in blue [Laughing], as some may have thought, because it was Navy Blue. It was because I wanted something representing nature, so I chose this name. With Rebutia, so, you know what we’re doing to make the connection. We are developing an artificially intelligent stylist. [Laughing] Yes. It is a stylist online, which will help you pick the correct clothes, according to body structure, hobbies, and occupation.
Jacobsen: That’s amazing.
Sigfúsdóttir: [Laughing] So, this has, actually, been in development for some years. Now, we are working with Reykjavik University, not University of Iceland. We got the grant this year. It is 20,000,000ISK. That’s like ~200,000CAD. So, we got the grant. We are full speed now, in development, for the next months. We are a team of 4 people. We have two software engineers working with us. Then we have a stylist with 20 years of background as a stylist for companies and people in Iceland.
Jacobsen: That’s amazing. So, Dimmblá started in 2014. When did the second company start, or at least its in-development planning phases?
Sigfúsdóttir: Yes, so, we have been working; basically, it is a funny story. I started in 2018 to work on an idea that I had to start something new. In the beginning, I thought that this was the direction to go with Dimmblá. That was renting clothes. However, I needed the platform to help me with that. Then one of my friends here in Iceland. This is one of the things. We are all connected in some way or another. Basically, you only need to talk to someone, as we’re only connected in seven steps.
Jacobsen: Seven degrees of Kevin Bacon!
Sigfúsdóttir: [Laughing] Yes, my friend called me. I remember this call. I was on a Summer vacation in Akureyri. She called me to talk with me. She said, “What are you doing now?” I told her about this idea. I had a partner in Sweden by that time. I was telling her about this idea. She said, “Oh my God,” this was in 2018, “I have to introduce you to my friend,” or, “a person who I talked to.” She mentioned them developing a platform, which I could use. I said, “Really.” She connected us.” My stylist who I am working with. She had been developing this platform for 3 or 4 years. She had been working on this with programmers. We started the company last year in February. We had been starting last year and deciding how we were going to continue this. We found out, basically, renting clothes has been done, of course, as you know. There are so many companies like that.
When we started to think about it, we thought, “That’s a lot of waste. You send the clothes back and forth. You are cleaning the clothes. Everything is included. So, in the end, how can you be saving the environment by doing this?” So, we thought that it would be better to use the platform, which had already been used. The raw software, to build on it. We decided to make out a stylist that chooses the correct clothes for you. Then you purchase the clothes. What do you want to do? You want to reduce the turn rate. We want to drastically reduce the turn rate of cloths. So, people are more confident when they are buying clothes online. Same thing with today with increased people buying things online. We want to be sure that we are, actually, purchasing the right clothes. So, you don’t have to return them. I think this will also save the retailers a lot of money. The clothes returned are, usually, not resold.
We were chosen to participate in an accelerator in Iceland last year, Startup Reykjavik. We were met in a competition in Finland, which we won in September of last year. Then we got the grant [Laughing] We are full speed now. It is an awesome project, our company. We are a talented team. I think that’s been a little bit tough fro me with Dimmblá. I started this as my idea. It was my baby. I was alone. I really wanted to build another company. I wanted to have a talented team. When you start a company, you can’t do everything yourself. Then you have to have to hire people, which I have done with Dimmblá. It is different than just having the great team from the start. Where, of course, there are two founders, female founders, with Rebutia. It is a totally different experience than starting Dimmblá. This is, of course, more technology than fashion companies. So, the ethical and the sustainable part is that we are using the resources. We are not affecting the environment negatively.
For example, the re-using of materials or repurposing or using materials made without harming nature. The ethical part, for me, I think, in the future, we should not have to ask, “Is this sustainable? Is this ethical?”
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Sigfúsdóttir: How far away? I have to ask, “Is this fabric sustainable? Is this company fair trade?” No, everything will be like that. Of course! Why should it be any different?
Jacobsen: Some people may not realize. When you mentioned how regular materials and clothes are not reused, not only are they not reused, they are thrown into the ocean or the landfills. Most of those clothes, the vast majority of the materials for those are polyester.
Sigfúsdóttir: And that’s why you can’t reuse it. I don’t want to give any names. There is a fast fashion chain. It says, ‘You can return all the clothes. So, we can reuse all the materials.’ Sorry, we are just not there, yet [Laughing]. It’s just not possible. I know some people might be all into this “greenwashing.” Maybe, that’s the name for it. I mean, I don’t know. What do they do with the material, when we know it’s not possible to re-manufacture them from plastic? I don’t know.
Jacobsen: They do the same things as always with false advertising, instead, with the public facing of it.
Sigfúsdóttir: I don’t want to say. They are making an effort. That’s always good. I applaud everyone who is making an effort to make things better. When you are making false statements, that’s another thing.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder & Chief Executive Officer, Dimmblá; Co-Founder & Chief Executive Officer, Rebutia.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-1; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Sustainable Fashion in Iceland: Founder, Dimmblá (1)[Online].September 2020; 25(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 8). Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Sustainable Fashion in Iceland: Founder, Dimmblá (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Sustainable Fashion in Iceland: Founder, Dimmblá (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Sustainable Fashion in Iceland: Founder, Dimmblá (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Sustainable Fashion in Iceland: Founder, Dimmblá (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Sustainable Fashion in Iceland: Founder, Dimmblá (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Sustainable Fashion in Iceland: Founder, Dimmblá (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 25.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Sustainable Fashion in Iceland: Founder, Dimmblá (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 25.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir on Sustainable Fashion in Iceland: Founder, Dimmblá (1)[Internet]. (2020, September 25(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/Sigfúsdóttir-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,015
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) is a Member of the Mega Society based on a qualifying score on the Mega Test (before 1995) prior to the compromise of the Mega Test and Co-Editor of Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society. In self-description, May states: “Not even forgotten in the cosmic microwave background (CMB), I’m an Amish yuppie, born near the rarified regions of Laputa, then and often, above suburban Boston. I’ve done occasional consulting and frequent Sisyphean shlepping. Kafka and Munch have been my therapists and allies. Occasionally I’ve strived to descend from the mists to attain the mythic orientation known as having one’s feet upon the Earth. An ailurophile and a cerebrotonic ectomorph, I write for beings which do not, and never will, exist — writings for no one. I’ve been awarded an M.A. degree, mirabile dictu, in the humanities/philosophy, and U.S. patent for a board game of possible interest to extraterrestrials. I’m a member of the Mega Society, the Omega Society and formerly of Mensa. I’m the founder of the Exa Society, the transfinite Aleph-3 Society and of the renowned Laputans Manqué. I’m a biographee in Who’s Who in the Brane World. My interests include the realization of the idea of humans as incomplete beings with the capacity to complete their own evolution by effecting a change in their being and consciousness. In a moment of presence to myself in inner silence, when I see Richard May’s non-being, ‘I’ am. You can meet me if you go to an empty room.” Some other resources include Stains Upon the Silence: something for no one, McGinnis Genealogy of Crown Point, New York: Hiram Porter McGinnis, Swines List, Solipsist Soliloquies, Board Game, Lulu blog, Memoir of a Non-Irish Non-Jew, and May-Tzu’s posterous. He discusses: “Stains Upon the Silence: something for no one” (2011); the intended meaning of the title; MayTzu or May-Tzu; the cover; a cross-section with “philosophy, cosmology, poetry and humor”; an atheist; Jorge Luis Borges in The Library of Babel; transontological studies; the conservation of information; “two fundamental theorems of quantum mechanics”; information; and information, knowledge, and wisdom.
Keywords: information, knowledge, IQ, Mega Society, Richard May, Stains Upon the Silence, wisdom.
Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on “Stains Upon the Silence”: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (2)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Okay, now, we come to the fun bits. The greatest hits of May-Tzu in three thematic parts based on three books while bound to one singular interview and segmented into parts. Your first book for analysis is entitled “Stains Upon the Silence: something for no one” (2011). Why this title?
Richard May[1],[2]*: I think the expression that “each word is a stain upon the silence” originated with Samuel Beckett, who may have implied that his words were less true and beautiful than silence. The silence of pure consciousness in the moment is suggested to and by me, but not necessarily meant by Beckett, analogous to sunyata, the Buddhistic void.
“— Something for no one” anticipates that the book is unlikely to immediately be made into a hit TV series or become a popular film. Only the subset of the general population with both fairly high cognitive ability and a degree of “right-brainedness” and/or appreciation of artistic creativity are likely to value the work. These two factors probably have a correlation of about zero (0). So this is not a large potential audience.
Jacobsen: What is the intended meaning of the title?
May: What I’ve said above.
Jacobsen: Is it MayTzu or May-Tzu?
May: Google says it’s either. But May-Tzu is Wade-Giles. Today May-Tzu should apparently be written Mayzi, as Lao-Tzu is Laozi. The former is Wade-Giles, the latter pinyin.
Jacobsen: Who designed the cover?
May: The image was my idea. Someone who knew how to edit files, a digital artist of sorts, brought it into existence.
Jacobsen: Why make a cross-section with “philosophy, cosmology, poetry and humor” in it?
May: Why not? The universe is a Rorschach inkblot interpreted by human intelligence as a geometric theorem and also a geometric theorem interpreted by human intelligence as a Rorschach inkblot. “A complete and perfect philosophical work could be written consisting entirely of jokes” — Ludwig Wittgenstein
Jacobsen: Are you an atheist? Rather, how are you defining the “-theist” god so as to provide an “a-”?
May: I find the existence of Zeus somewhat improbable. Was the Buddha an atheist? Was Patanjali an atheist? Is advaita Vedanta atheism? Is the philosophia perennis atheism? Atheists seemed to be mostly focused on the personality of the Adorable Yahweh, and on the exoteric level of the Abrahamic religions. As Gurdjieff, among others, recognized there are different levels of religions, e.g. exoteric and esoteric, and different levels of humans beings.
Remember May-Tzu’s wager: “It is extremely improbable that God exists. But it is certain that I don’t exist. Therefore, the existence of God is a much better bet.”
Jacobsen: You quote Jorge Luis Borges in The Library of Babel on page 3, which says, “I know of an uncouth region whose librarians repudiate the vain and superstitious custom of finding a meaning in books and equate it with that of finding a meaning in dreams or in the chaotic lines of one’s palm … … … the books signify nothing in themselves. This dictum, we shall see, is not entirely fallacious.” Why quote him in this book? Why do books “signify nothing” in and of themselves?
May: Borges’ mind resonates with me; Borges is hilarious. But he attributes the view to the librarians of an *uncouth* region. If life, itself, is “full of sound and fury, signifying nothing,” then what of the literature of those who live it?
Jacobsen: What would be “transontological studies”?
May: Studies across different levels of Being, a bit beyond transgender. Maybe academic pretense also.
Jacobsen: If we take the musing in the “Preface” on the conservation of information, how might this effect considerations about human mentation and computational capacities of digital computers?
May: Maybe everything and every thing is immortal as information. Then all sorts of Immortal Dreck would exist, floating throughout space-time everlastingly as information, perhaps including human personalities.
I don’t understand how it would affect the computational capacities of digital computers. But the conservation of information may be beyond my pay grade or even the pay grade of Homo sapiens, as presently evolved.
Jacobsen: Do these “two fundamental theorems of quantum mechanics” imply a link to the ‘fundamentals’ or base of the dynamic construct called the universe and that which we – recently, mind us – deemed “information” for the proposed conservation of information if tying this knot to G.I. Gurdjieff who “maintained that all knowledge was material”?
May: I don’t understand the question.
Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, you focused on the contextualizations of information with “knowledge” and “wisdom.” In this framework, we come to the idea of the triplet linkage between information, knowledge, and wisdom. Human operators make distinctions between these. Why would the universe make such a distinction? This seems like an jump-gap with hidden premises, potentially, needing filling for more complete consideration.
May: I think, as Sir Fred Hoyle suggested, that our brains, and presumably brains in general, including exo-brains and AI, follow the logic of the universe, not vice versa. The distinctions between information, knowledge and wisdom may be natural language attempts to designate an information hierarchy of increasing levels of generality and utility, both objectively (isomorphic to ‘external’ reality and intersubjectively testable) and subjectively (isomorphic to ‘internal’ reality). — Sometimes questions have hidden premises too.
Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, we have the idea of the conservation of information and “memories,” human remembrances, as incorporative of information. Why would the universe constitutionally organize the information on the large scale akin to the manner of the human mind, so as to make the connection between human memories as a form of information? This seems similar to the dilemma with information, knowledge, and wisdom, stated in the context before.
May: I continue to think, as Sir Fred Hoyle suggested, that our brains, and presumably brains in general, including exo-brains and AI, follow the logic of the universe, not vice versa. The distinctions between information, knowledge and wisdom may be natural language attempts to designate an information hierarchy of increasing levels of generality and utility, both objectively (isomorphic to ‘external’ reality and intersubjectively testable) and subjectively (isomorphic to ‘internal’ reality).
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Mega Society; Co-Editor, Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-2; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on “Stains Upon the Silence”: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (2) [Online].September 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-2.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 8). Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on “Stains Upon the Silence”: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (2). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-2.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on “Stains Upon the Silence”: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (2). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-2>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on “Stains Upon the Silence”: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-2.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on “Stains Upon the Silence”: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-2.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on “Stains Upon the Silence”: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (2)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-2>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on “Stains Upon the Silence”: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (2)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-2.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on “Stains Upon the Silence”: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (2).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on “Stains Upon the Silence”: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (2) [Internet]. (2020, September 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-2.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 6, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 761
Keywords: Humanist Society of Zimbabwe, Takudzwa Mazwienduna, Zimbabwe, Zimbabwean Secular Alliance.
Ask Takudzwa 8 – Upcoming Resources by and for Zimbabwean Humanists[1],[2]
Takudzwa Mazwienduna is the informal leader of Zimbabwean Secular Alliance and a Member of the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe. This educational series will explore secularism in Zimbabwe from an organizational perspective, and more. He is a friend and former boss at the now-defunct Cornelius Press in South Africa.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let’s do a short take on upcoming resources for the humanist community of Zimbabwe, which will experience the normal growing pains, but can become established over time. Especially with the resources developed in other countries in the African region, they paved a path and real successes and honest failures for them can help provide a pathway for others in Africa. What are some of the first resources in development for humanists in Zimbabwe?
Takudzwa Mazwienduna: The Humanist Society of Zimbabwe is still to mobilize members in order to meet up and prioritize initiatives. Our immediate concern however is representation in the public, from media to political platforms. Mass media communication support and awareness campaigns is what we will be looking at.
Jacobsen: Why those resources?
Mazwienduna: There is a great chance of getting through to the Zimbabwean society through speaking to community leaders and voicing secular concerns on public platforms. We have done something similar in the past but we were showing up on shows Christian organizations had paid for, it was easy for them to kick us out after a while.
Jacobsen: How can other groups in the country and the region become connected via the internet?
Mazwienduna: We have Facebook pages and groups by the names Humanist Society of Zimbabwe and Zimbabwean Atheists. We also have a huge Whatsapp group called Talk To A Humanist where discussions surrounding secular and progressive issues are always taking place between Atheists and Christians.
Jacobsen: Whatsapp and Signal provide some safety and refuge for the conversations and communications of the freethought community throughout Africa. The main concern is safety, as this remains an issue. Any other forms of communication and dialogue in a safe platform for freethinkers and humanists in Zimbabwe?
Mazwienduna: Whatsapp and Telegram are the safest platforms we have been using to communicate. Most people are more active on Whatsapp rather than Telegram however. Cell phone service providers offer cost-effective Whatsapp exclusive internet bundles, and this earns the platform loyalty from most Zimbabwean Humanists.
Jacobsen: Also, for those who are bold and do not care about safety issues, what seem like the most straightforward ways for them to get their word out?
Mazwienduna: Some members have been using Twitter, Facebook and showing up as panellists on national radio religious shows. Our most outreach was when we were panellists for 6 weeks on a Star FM show called “Faith On Trial.” It was the first time we made that much impact and got recognition from government authorities who were very sympathetic to our cause, so much so that they added a member to the National Censorship Board. The Board was dissolved after the former president Robert Mugabe was removed from power however because his daughter Bona was also on it. We are uncertain about where we stand with the new government today, but they have preserved the progress we pushed for in the secularization of education.
Jacobsen: Any websites for Zimbabweans humanists upcoming or extant?
Mazwienduna: There is a website started by members: www.zimbabweanatheists.com. Members write articles on secularism from time to time and it’s Zimbabwe’s first secular publication.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Takudzwa.
Mazwienduna: It’s always a pleasure Scott.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 6, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ask-takudzwa-8-upcoming-resources-by-and-for-zimbabwean-humanists.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 5, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 564
Keywords: ex-Muslim, France, Islam, sanctuary, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Waleed Al-Husseini on Support and Sanctuary for Ex-Muslims[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: How can the international youth humanist community help provide a minimum online community and sanctuary for the ex-Muslim community?
Waleed Al-Husseini: If you mean just online, to open for our voice and show the suffering of ex-Muslims in their countries, for more on these issue, people can support our freedom of speech and freedom of expression.
I do not think it is hate speech because it is our right to criticize Islam as a set of ideas and beliefs. They can support us or make our voice heard more and more, protecting us from having the removal of our accounts.
Because for many of us, using fake accounts are a solution to be ourselves, some of us cannot be real online because all the dangers and threats take us out of all political issues. We are just ex-Muslims.
Jacobsen: How are the humanist and non-religious communities failing the ex-Muslim community?
Al-Husseini: Most of them in the name of humanism call ex-Muslims Islamophobic just because ex-Muslims criticize Islam. They avoid us too because they do not want to offend their Muslim friends.
I do not generalize, but most of them are like this. I am fed up with many of them who call themselves humanist and then close their eyes of the killings/murders and arrests of the ex-Muslims just because he doesn’t want to offend his Muslim friends.
Jacobsen: Is it hard for ex-Muslims to find asylum in other countries?
Al-Husseini: Yes, for sure, we have a lot of stories about that, but life is going. We never give up.
Jacobsen: Once an ex-Muslim finds an escape into another country away from the traditionalist and conservative society, community, and home, how hard is the transition into typically Western, secular life?
Al-Husseini: It is not hard at all because he escaped to live these values. These values are inside himself, so when he comes to these countries. He breaths the freedom. He can feel that he was born-again, because in that other society he always feels as if he died. I am speaking through my experience too.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Waleed.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 5, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/waleed-al-husseini-on-support-and-sanctuary-for-ex-muslims.
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Author: Blue Angel (UK)
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 11, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
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Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,085
Keywords: Advocacy for Alleged Witches, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030, Blue AngelUnited Kingdom.
Witchcraft: Accused and Abused By In-laws[1]
So this story starts with my in-laws (Mum in Law (MIL) and Dad in law(DIL)) at the time I was married to their son. I had a son by him and another child from a previous relationship. We lived in a 2 bedroom apartments in the heart of London, my father in law at the time was quite ill and had come from Nigeria to receive treatment because of his condition. My father and mother in law at the time were both retired after long years of service in the UK but had gone back to Nigeria to settle after their retirement. They used to come from time to time to London. They used to like coming round to my place and my place was only a 2 bedroom flat which contained me, my husband and our 2 kids. And things were very awkward because I used to cook, clean, wash dishes and take care of the kids all by myself while my husband was at work. Plus looking after his parents because the Nigerian culture means it is my duty as a daughter in law to look after them. Because we only had 2 bedrooms, me, my husband and 2 boys all slept in one room while my parents in law occupied my children’s room. My life was so miserable whenever they came around and I was becoming frustrated. One Saturday morning at around 7:30 AM, my sons were fast asleep and I could hear a commotion going on in the next room with my inlaws, my DIL was so distressed and he was telling my MIL to pick her phone and call their whole family and tell them that that girl is a witch. I started to panic but I stayed in my room listening to what they were saying as I wasn’t sure who they were talking about, she picked the phone and was calling her daughters who also lived in the UK and it was then that my DIL said my name saying “Blue Angel is a witch, call the whole family and tell them to gather in this house now” Ha I picked my phone and called my husband who was at work and I told him what was going on and he said they’d called him too and he too was on his way back home. For a split second, I had to decide what to do as my inlaws were all making their way over to my house to come and sort out the witch, I didn’t know what they were going to do to me when they come. So I decided to go in the bathroom, got my son’s toothbrushes, sponges, clothes and things then I woke them up from sleep and ran out of the house to my brothers house who lived nearby. I phoned my ex-husband (he is now an ex lol) to tell him that I was fleeing to my brother’s house and he said “whatever you do please do not tell your brother that my father called you a witch”. I asked him what do I tell my brother is bringing me to his house so early on a Saturday morning and he told me “tell them anything except the truth”. I ran to my brother’s house and I broke down in his house and I told him the truth that my DIL had just pronounced me a witch and my sisters in law were on their way to my house, I was very traumatized. It was only later that I found out the reason why he called me a witch. Apparently, some people believe that when you sleep and dream and if in your dream you see someone offering you anything sweet to eat in your dream, then that person is a witch either trying to initiate you into their kingdom or kill you. According to my DIL, he saw me in his dream offering him some oranges so automatically I was accused of being a witch. My ex-husband later told me that my DIL had requested some oranges the night before just before going to bed and he had taken some to him in the room and he was fast asleep so my ex had put the oranges next to his bedside and left them there. My in-laws left my house and took every single thing belonging to them to their daughter’s house and my ex came and got me from my brother’s house because the coast was clear, I got back into my home full of relief but the trauma was so bad, I cried for days on end as I have never been called a witch ever in my life. My sis-in-law requested a meeting with me a few days later and she said, “In Yoruba culture, an older person doesn’t apologize to a younger person and if I am expecting an apology, I wasn’t going to get one so she is apologizing on his behalf because he was on some strong medications that made him hallucinate and that’s the reason he saw me in his dream”. I accepted the apology but I was traumatized for a very long time after that. Ridiculously my inlaws came back to my house because their daughters couldn’t have them in their homes, they only came back for one week but I avoided them like a plague till they left back to Nigeria and sadly my DIL passed away 2 weeks later.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Individual Publication Date: September 11, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/witchcraft-accused-and-abused-by-in-laws.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.D, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 6,748
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Rick Rosner and I conduct a conversational series entitled Ask A Genius on a variety of subjects through In-Sight Publishing on the personal and professional website for Rick. This series with Erik and Christian build on this idea. Erik Haereid earned a score at 185, on the N-VRA80. He is an expert in Actuarial Sciences. Christian Sorensen earned a score at 185+, i.e., at least 186, on the WAIS-R. He is an expert in philosophy. Both scores on a standard deviation of 15. A sigma of ~5.67 for Erik – a general intelligence rarity of 1 in 136,975,305 – and a sigma of ~5.67+ for Christian – a general intelligence rarity of more than 1 in 136,975,305, at least 1 in 202,496,482. Neither splitting hairs nor a competition here; we agreed to a discussion, hopefully, for the edification of the audience here. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population. This amounts to a joint interview or conversation with Christian Sorensen, Erik Haereid, and myself. They discuss: the real world and language; “emotional divine experiences”; our “mind map” implying a ‘projection of sense experience categorized into patterns with reason for thought’; eternality of truth; the power of definition; dis-prove or dis-evidence the assumption; offshoring of previously conscious awareness requiring processing; intuitive grasp of reality; a trialectic and quadralectic, etc., form of thinking about reality; forms of reasoning; reality “intrinsically contradictory and conflicted”; modern rational tools; contact points about reality; thoughts maps grounded in experience; the relationship between the thoughts and experience; the real and unreal; emotion and thinking as part of thoughts; the quality of the thoughts or the maps; the “irrational and indeterministic”; statistics; 1) our thoughts and mind structures and 2) the outputs in life and societal organization with new thoughts and new frameworks for individual and collective operation; a capital “T” Truth cannot be reached ever; ‘1 plus 1 sometimes equal 1 if one knows how to count to 3’; the arithmetic principles of annihilation and symmetry; pseudo-indeterminism; “the beginning”; 1 + 1 always equalling 2; comprehension of indeterminism and determinism; a greater understanding of the reality; principles would imply never – not simply “sometimes” – producing 2 with 1 + 1; and predictable and determinate.
Keywords: Christian Sorensen, conflicted, contradictory, Erik Haereid, indeterminate, irrational, linguistic breaks, mind maps, multinary, reality, truth.
Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Linguistic Breaks, Mind Maps, Truth, Irrational and Indeterminate, Conflicted and Contradictory Reality, Multinary Forms of Thinking, and “1+1=1”: Independent Philosopher & Metaphysician; Statistician & Actuarial Scientist (3)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Christian, you spoke about a “linguistic break” and the “purpose of the idea of paradox.” On “the purpose of the idea of paradox,” with “a distinction between logical validity and truth,” the implausibility of logic’s relation to truth, and truth’s relation to logic, in a chain of reasoning from language and linguistic structure and the reality of the world. What is the purpose of the idea of a paradox in this sense to elucidate the apparency of a linguistic disjunction with the truth? How much does language approximate truth – simply sufficiently for good enough evolved organisms such as ourselves to survive in the world? More directly on the “linguistic break,” what does this Grand Canyon between the real world and language mean for the attainment of capital “T” Truth in some form for consciousnesses in the universe – in fact, any iteration of the current dynamics of the universe – including homo sapiens?
Dr. Christian Sorensen[1]*: I think that the whole question must be put in negative, and start from its end in order to understand the originative reason. Therefore I will start from reality, which going backwards with the question, is the cause of everything, since what occurs following an evolutionary sense, is that nobody actually has ever wanted to know anything about reality, because in turn there is nothing more terrifying and distressing than reality as such. This conflictual knot, is what paradoxically speaking, has made survival possible, in consequence the truth, which should arises from the relationship between reality and language, is subject to the above, and to what I will denominate as the original mythical repression of the primary symbol, that consequently, is lost and leaves a space of emptiness. The mythical repression of the primary symbol, is what produces the linguistic break, due to the fact that indeed, if a piece is missing, then it is possible that the language circulates through metaphors that lead to significations, that emerge from a particular significant in relation to the rest of the significants within the chain, nevertheless not with a related reality, which ultimately implies in its meaning at the same time, a disconnection with the signified thing, since the effort to squeeze reality through the truth, always shows regardless of the discursive coherence, that something in every linguistic act escapes throughout symbolization.
Jacobsen: Erik, you spoke more to “intuition, feelings, multiple meanings, semantics” regarding paradox, especially the God concept in which something unproven or unevidenced becomes proof or evidence of “God.” What did you mean by “emotional divine experiences”?
Erik Haereid[2][3]*: Sometimes our emotions bring us into a profound feeling, a state where we feel that everything is right. It’s like being connected to reality, to the truth. We can, more or less, explain what kind of intrinsic physical phenomena going on, but not what make these processes happen.
I didn’t mean that the unproven is a proof of “God”. We reveal hidden material all the time. But I suppose that we will never be able to reveal everything. There will always be, in every event and entity, a power of definition or free will or creator that is beyond our imagination abilities.
It has nothing to do with God in the common meaning, but with how we bodily involve experiences. Sometimes I can feel “God” when I watch ants building their anthill, or when I drink my coffee and watch the sunrise. And those experiences become more or less a part of me, depending on how my body internalizes it. The unproven becomes evidence of that we do not know everything. The point is to declare scientifically, logically, rationally a respect for what we don’t know. To claim there is a God is not within that respect, because then you define something that we don’t know. The only thing we know is that we can’t know everything, for how do we prove that?
Jacobsen: If a “continuous search for truth,” as the benchmark, and the “search for a logical reality” in our “mind map” implying a ‘projection of sense experience categorized into patterns with reason for thought,’ why is this an “eternal and continuous” process?
Haereid: I don’t know if it’s literally eternal. Truth is reality. We want to see, understand, reality; confined and imprisoned into our bodily and mental construction. Since this is impossible, we search for the optimal approximation. By optimizing our thoughts, or map of reality if you want, we get closer to reality; our interaction with reality will increase, there will be more inputs and outputs. We read the constantly improving inner map while walking in the real or true environment. Our search for truth is actually a search for a better projection of truth. One of our goals is to move or interact as best as possible in the real world, and one of our tools is our cognition and world of thoughts. This mental construction’s content is rational per se. Our mind filters or choose the parts of reality that fits into our rational construction, through a translation.
I guess that by evolving increasingly larger mental space of rational connections to reality, we become better and wider in our contact with reality, and this is a goal. It enhances us. As entities we drive for, want and need this improving connection. Maybe or maybe not forever. But it’s something divine with the contact between us as entities and the rest of reality, and our brain is a tool to improve the contact points. It’s about feeling safe and in charge, having control. We create illusions, maps, over a reality that make us feel in charge. And we live from there. The problem is that we are continuously awakened by irrationality and in conflicts with the parts of reality that is not rational and under our control. Until we can rest in a sort of total rational existence, we will fight and struggle with irrationality. If we one day in evolution reach the point of total rationality, it’s an illusion that we rest in. It’s not that we have understood or seen reality, that’s impossible, but that we have ended our journey of gaining more wisdom and insight. Then we have understood that the aim is not infinite amounts of knowledge, but an optimization of knowledge adapted to the human creature. Then we could say that the struggle or conflict between Apollo and Dionysus, between the super-ego and id, between control and libido, is ended.
Jacobsen: Why can eternality of truth, the “Truth” mentioned in the question to Christian, never be ascertained by a human “mind map”?
Haereid: Because we, humans, will never know if what we see as a complete understanding and insight to the Truth contains everything. It’s because of our limitations as creatures. To know that, we have to be the power of definition ourselves. And if we one day think we are, how can we know that there is nothing more, that this idea is just only that; a narcissistic idea? If everything is like we think it is because we experience it (it’s no surprises anymore), it does not prove that it is like this, because we can’t prove that we really have experienced everything. A proved TOE (theory of everything) doesn’t prove that this proves everything, just that there is a perfect rational internal map connected to parts of reality.
Reality has unlimited content. Humans task is to combine as much of this content with our body structure as possible; within our limitations. One way of doing this is to limit our interactions with reality (experiences, sense perceptions), like we do in the virtual reality where we are more in charge of creation. And like psychopaths, fundamentalists and racists do by manipulating others into their limited views. Another way is to open up for whatever content reality shows us, and treat it inside a system like science, to evolve understanding.
Jacobsen: Why is the power of definition the point of the ‘beginning of it all’?
Haereid: Since there is something, and this has a beginning or a point of creation. But this is an idea confined in the logic of the human brain. It’s reasonable. It’s difficult to think of something as infinite. So, when we talk about infinite, we talk about something that we don’t understand. It’s irrational. Beginnings, endings and infinity demand something beyond rational thoughts. We will never capture it with our mind.
There is no explanation that fulfills what we can’t imagine or think of. How can we know that we have explained everything when we prove that we have? How can we establish such a proof? I don’t know what is outside my limits of imagination, and that’s what I call free will or power of definition. It’s a label of what I don’t know and never can know. If I said that one day I maybe will know, I would lie, like people who say that God exists. We don’t know that. It’s impossible to establish knowledge about what we never are able to internalize or capture with our mind.
Jacobsen: ‘What would dis-prove or dis-evidence the assumption (“my assumption”)?
Haereid: To make everyone accept that “my assumption” is false.
Jacobsen: Does this automaticity, offshoring of previously conscious awareness requiring processing to the non-conscious ‘mind,’ help adaptability in new and old environments, i.e., as new problems are dealt with using fresh mental resources and old problems can be automated to previous cognition?
Haereid: When we deal with new problems, we think about that problem in ways that make us aware; we use our conscious mind to solve novel problems. Like learning to drive a car. When you have learned it, you don’t think about every move you take driving it. In this process we use every stored knowledge, every inherited wisdom, any available information learned, inherited or transferred in ways we yet don’t know about or understand, to solve that problem as best as we can to fulfill what we need and wish.
Jacobsen: Erik, following from the previous question (and Part Two), when we take the “conscious rational methods” as a formulation of the ‘intuitive’ “multinary form of thinking,”, why is this intuitive grasp of reality adaptable into formalizations at all?
Our way of thinking, rationality, time-space projection, is a language constructed for humans to “see” or comprehend reality; make us interact better with reality. Parts of reality are interpreted into this human language. The power of definition, nature, god, creator or whatever has created this feature, use this either as a goal in itself or as a tool to achieve some kind of inner or unconscious wisdom. Why our thoughts and consciousness are like it is, is impossible to say. And human will always try to find answers to this, and through this process converging towards a larger consciousness, either as a tool or goal.
Another comment: I said that one possibility is that our consciousness is a tool to achieve a higher degree of truth, and when we do, our consciousness vanishes. Then it has done its job for us. Another view is to think of our consciousness as a goal in itself, not as reality, still as a map of reality, but as a map that optimizes reality for human. Our mind is the reality’s way of giving humans a best way of being aware of reality, sense it, experience it and live it in expansions of here and now; in time and space. It’s a communication tool. When we reach as close as we can, when our mind pictures reality as best as possible confined into what a human brain is, we have reached our potential as humans, and can optimize our lives. If so, the goal could be seen as a complete consciousness, and not as in my other assumption where I pictured a path where the mind map converged into reality, and then disappeared; that humans aim was to discover and develop a complete or perfect map related to reality, and then disappear. Move into the next level of beings or entities, where we are unconscious or conscious on another level than we are as humans. It’s easier to think of consciousness as a goal in itself, because that’s what we can relate to. That’s how we see it now. We learn, develop, in an accumulation of wisdom through generations and history. Why I suggest the other option is that I see life or entities as part of a process, and not as a finite ruler. We will die, extinct, go into other forms, sooner or later. I think it’s convenient to see us as tools for something going on. And as a tool we have our mind. What’s the point with that? Where does consciousness go after human extinction? Why this kind of evolution; what is it good for? Why consciousness at all?
Maybe we need to evolve our consciousness to the mentioned high or perfect level where the mind map fits reality as far as possible, and exactly then we transform into a new form that need that insight to evolve further. That’s a thought.
Jacobsen: Christian, in a dialectic, what points of reference become implied in the analysis of the dialectic for coming at a representation of the real and the unreal? In a prior interview, we talked about trialectics, quadralectics, as an advancement in complexity of the formal or more traditional dialectic. What would be implied by a trialectic and quadralectic, etc., form of thinking about reality? How would this alter, not fundamentally, the Hegelian idea of thesis and antithesis for a synthesis? Christian, what forms of reasoning seem the hardest for the human brain to compute? Why?
Sorensen: In the dialectic representation of the reality and unreality what is fundamental is the presence of the opposition of symbolic terms, that as such individually are blind, but that when placed in a linguistic chain produce a sense in terms of meaning as a third term, that by itself is also blind, since as such does not means anything, nevertheless allows ideational mobility. Therefore I believe that the dialectic, trialectic and quadrilectic, are sort of polygons, where the points are the opposing terms, and the edges are the opposing relationships between these, which in turn end up converging in what I will denominate as fugue point of meaning, that as intermediate, is the third term of the synthesis within the discursive circulation of the symbolic chain. I think that the cryptic ideal forms, are the most difficult to assimilate, because the brain is used to digital and univocal meanings, and to the sensitive connection with the world, as a primary source of knowledge.
Jacobsen: Erik, what forms of reasoning seem the hardest for the human brain to compute? Why?
Haereid: Abductive reasoning is the easiest. We make decisions naturally based on what we think is actual, possible and not, all the time. This is inborn. Deductive reasoning seems to be the hardest. Our brains are quite new, and our cognitive abilities “underdeveloped”; we need more time to catch and develop the mental devices and their possibilities.
We can travel into fictions and experience it as real in one sense, and communicate it, like we do in any virtual reality. If all our movability and empirical senses where shut down, our lives would be limited to a virtual reality. Then this is the reality. But because we experience things with our senses, and also are able to live in fictive sceneries, we have two separate existences. Deduction is therefore linked to empirics. To prove mental images and logical theories, we have to experience empirically, because this is also a crucial part of humanity; our lives are not only in our thoughts, in a book or a computer game.
The more we exclude our contact with reality, by e.g. solely live in computer games, in movies, books and so on, in virtual creations of reality, the more we construct our own reality or map if you want. Then it’s easier to think that reality is what we think, because we have constructed what we want the reality to be like. The more we are in contact with reality, the more we collide with it and meet its irrational challenges. It’s easier to live in a virtual “reality” because we can create it ourselves. Then the contradictions are easier to solve.
The beauty about our mental reality separated from empirics is that we can make it as we want. We can agree upon the rules, and in a common virtual mutual existence of social harmony become whole. We can remove irrationality and make everything under control, given that we are passive and not separate into any empirical activity. To exclude discrimination, we would have to make rules and opportunities that everyone could use and benefit on. This is simpler in virtual reality than in real sensed reality. It’s not the symbols, language, mathematics, constructed thoughts that are the problematic part of our lives, but the combination of that and the sensed experiences. If we could rely on reason, life would be easy. I guess that’s one reason why we have developed reason; it lets us control our lives into a larger degree than if we were limited to a face to face reality with the empirical world. I think that’s the reason why computer programs and virtual realities are exploding. It’s controllable. We get closer to a defining power. If we can manage to create a reality that we fully control, we can “prove” (make the illusion that we have proved) that everything is determined or rational. Then we have showed that we, or whatever that drives us, is the defining power of reality. But still we can’t know what this defining power is or where it comes from, only that we have created complete rationality inside our view of reality. Let’s say that we are part of such a process, where complete control and rationality is the goal and final outcome. This makes natural sense. We are the dominating species, and want control, because that gives us more power. Evolving a mental device that gives us the illusion of control, e.g. logics, is a proper instrument to gain more control. In this context we do not profit on an uncontrollable empirical reality. We want control, and therefore we want to prove a TOE. Or we take control over the empirical reality to make us feel more in power, and to make our mental devices fit the empirical ones.
Our aim is to make the mind maps fit the empirical reality, but also to make the empirical reality more like our mind maps, because it’s easier for us to control the latter one. A mental problem appears when we ask why is that, and where does it end. This will forever be a mental problem for us. Why do we want control/power? What’s the point? Maybe it’s life itself. But life, before our complex mental devices, was an empirical journey and not a mental one. OK, so “we” understood that evolving mentality gave us better opportunities to survive as a species. But the dichotomy is that we drive apart from empirical experiences because this take the control and power away from us. Every time we “loose our brain” we get into more risks for damage and death. The solution is obviously to control the empirical world; remove every danger. And we try to do that as well as creating virtual realities, fictions, illusions and logics that make us feel powerful. But still this is only an explanation of how we increase our survival, and not of why we want to survive and live. Life per se is still an enigma. That’s why I conclude with that life as phenomenon is irrational. In general, you could say that at some starting point there are no explanation, no reason beyond. It’s just there. And what is just there is, when we try to make it reasonable, established by a defining power or on something irrational; that’s only an expression of what we don’t control nor have any power over.
What could happen when we gain complete power? As said, one thought is that we are at The End; we all die, all human consciousness disappears, and we go let’s say into a next and higher level. Another thought is that we go into a circuit of conscious harmony or eternal lives; a fulfillment of what we now and forever want and strive for.
Jacobsen: Christian, why is reality “intrinsically contradictory and conflicted”? What substantiates the claim of the ‘intrinsic’ nature of the (internal) ‘conflict’ and (internal) ‘contradictions’? With this intrinsic nature of a conflicted and contradictory reality, what connects these two sets of two points of ‘intrinsic contradiction & ungraspability’ and ‘intrinsic conflict & unreality’? With nothing to say to no one in particular about the ultimate in specific, an interesting part of this becomes neither the spoken in general or the universally unspeakable; the junction means something. What does this mean for the meaningful statements at the linguistic breaking point or the “linguistic break” between that which “nothing could be pronounced at all” and many things have been and continue to be said all the time? What is an example of a linguistic border to the breaking point? Something leading to the unspeakable (in definition, not in the sense of a horror film creature). Christian and Erik, with modern rational tools, e.g., statistics, to inform thoughts about the world, insofar as we can know the real world, do these tools provide unprecedented or more precise maps and, therefore, understandings of the world? Even with the same genetic equipment across the species, how does this change 1) our thoughts and mind structures and 2) the outputs in life and societal organization with new thoughts and new frameworks for individual and collective operation? If a capital “T” Truth cannot be reached ever, would this mean a continuous and never-ending change in “1)” and “2)” in proportion to one another?
Sorensen: If it is assumed that the contradiction, is equivalent to the opposition, and that this last is a necessary condition for the conflict, and on the other hand, it is accepted that in reality the opposition of things exists as something evident, then it can be deduced, because contradiction exists, that reality is inherently conflicted. On the other side, ungraspability and unreality, have little to do with the contradictory and conflictive nature of reality, since ungraspability is a cognitive consequence, which does not derives from the nature of reality, but rather does it from the nature of logos. Likewise although unreality is a condition of reality as such, as long as it’s a fact that it is nothing in itself, it is imperatively conclusive that then anything can be caused by such thing. The linguistic break occurs, because there exists, shining by its absence, only one and exclusively one signifier, that I will name as mute signifier, which as such it is unspeakable and unpronounceable, because if it is translated linguistically speaking into a word, it is indeed one but because of its emptiness. An illustrating example of the aforementioned, is what happens with poetry, which tries to explain figuratively, what is inexpressible through everyday’s language. In fact the statistics informs of something, but this is not equivalent to assume that doing so, is an approximation to something in truth terms, since what actually always does, is an approach more to what it is not, than to what it is, not for nothing its effort moves towards the acceptance of the null hypotheses in its empirical verification process. I think that this, though it can be felt as an ungrateful disagreement, is what makes individual and collective developments possible, because in itself, is intrinsically linked to movement, which in my opinion is the most fundamental action of the phenomenon of life. In similar manner, although I think that the most permanent thing is change, I also believe that this factual inertia, has an encoded meaning that despite it may be theoretically infinite, has a decryption limit in reality.
Jacobsen: Erik, any other contact points about reality and informed consciousness than ‘sensation, perception, feeling, and thinking’?
Haereid: Expression; output. Input and output, information in and out, is our contact and communication with reality. Physically we choose and amplifies received information, regulates it, making it into mental images, thoughts and projections of reality. We translate something un-understandable into something else, which we can relate to, which we understand and operate within. We can say something about the translation process, but not about the input to it. We know about the physical entities like the nervous system, hormones, neurotransmitters and so on. We build AI-processors based on knowledge of how we think our brain works.
By choosing and excluding (on/off) we can draw a picture based on what information we choose. But we cannot say much about the information we reject. By amplifying we can make chosen information more or less important to us. But we don’t know much about why we choose what we choose.
Jacobsen: Why are thoughts maps grounded in experience?
Haereid: We are born or created with the ability to see the world or reality in these mental images, in time-space-modus. Some of the content may be inherited, most of it learned and experienced. Experiences justifies and improves these maps. Experiences are our unconscious contact with reality, and experiences as projections into mind is our picture of these experiences. When we see, get distanced to, our experiences, we are obviously better fitted to improve in the real world; make our moves better towards whatever goal we have. But it’s still a projection, it’s not reality per se. When we think our thoughts and mental images is reality, we live in an illusion.
Jacobsen: While “thoughts are maps,” and to “sense, perceive, feel, [and] think” become the mediums by which the maps (the thoughts) are informed as experienced about reality, what does this state about the relationship between the thoughts and experience?
Haereid: Reality is sensed as, let’s call it information. Some sort of input to our body-system occurs, and we adapt it, internalize and process it, store it and combine old (stored in our memory) and new information to make an increasing better image or map, an illusion, of reality. You could say that the human body-system work making mess into order, or an inverse entropy. Our common brain’s mission is to collect all chaos in the Universe created once, into an understandable whole. It’s like we try to force an arbitrary evolution into systems of rationality. But this is us, this is a part of the chaos. So, human have a mission. This is an entity in the Universe. Even though we never will know why and where, we can trust in it because it’s actually there. Maybe human consciousness and our strive for logic is a universal appendix, or maybe it’s some higher meaning with it. We don’t know.
Thoughts are translated information, like in computers. The software programs are processes treating some input, information, and translate it into space-time figures; a user interface. Experiences are inputs, coming from reality, a world that we only have illusions about, but something that provide us with impulses. Our senses make these inputs registered before internalized. To maintain, survive and live as organisms or entities we have some needs, and we treat information in coordination with our needs. Our mental images are a product of our needs; we see and think what we want to see and think. What we don’t want or need, we suppress or ignore. It’s like when we have used all our repertoire of methods to rationalize and suppress, and reality becomes to uncomfortable and clammy, we choose to die; lock down the system. We call some of these clammy phenomena for diseases and accidents.
Jacobsen: What differentiates the real and unreal in this proposed framework of statistical and multi-modal maps of the world?
Haereid: Mentally, consciously, we don’t know what is real since we only have the ability to create images and representations or approximations of reality. We are in contact with reality when we experience; all the time. When we sense whatever, we experience, and that is real.
The real is the input, information; signals that we catch, receive and process with our inborn system of senses and other processing tools. Our expressions are real as signals delivered into reality and processed by other entities, like humans who create their images and representations of it. Since we can’t make a true image of the real, we have to trust more or less our images of reality. E.g. through logical systems like mathematics and statistics.
Jacobsen: With emotion and thinking as part of thoughts, does this make the maps, the thoughts, about reality as inextricably biased in the intra-psychic direction of the emoting, feeling when projected ‘outwards’ and asserted as the real world in which the entity operates?
Haereid: Yes.
Emotions are amplifiers of information; it’s an internal weight that make us suppress, ignore or focus. It’s a measure of importance as to our needs. E.g. we need to understand, create a rational picture of reality, and therefore we feel happy when we process information and combinations that enhance this feature, and sad, anxious or disgust when some information make the picture irrational. Emotions help us to choose the parts of reality (input) that help us evolve optimally.
Jacobsen: Should the quality of the thoughts or the maps continue to deteriorate, in general, with middle and elder age as the sense organs become less sensitive, and so the inputs – ‘sensation, perception, feeling, and thinking’ – lose speed, fidelity, and breadth?
Haereid: Age make us generally more indifferent and dependent of habits; more prejudiced. We relate on what we already know and have stored. Our senses are weakened, yes. Mentally we become more confined, pleased, but not necessarily less creative and right. The past becomes more important; with age a thinking human will get the opportunity to see the same information from new angles. Additional information is not necessarily an advantage. With new information and ditto processes we tend to exclude and make shortcuts to get through the aim; understand, reaching our needs. It’s not always about making the mind map, the space of knowledge and understanding, increasingly bigger. It’s about dealing with the knowledge we have until then. Something is more important than other things. If you believe that the goal is to understand everything, then you will stress gaining as much knowledge as possible and make rational coherence as fast as possible within the systems of brains (collective mind).
Jacobsen: Why equate the “irrational and indeterministic”?
Haereid: When something is indeterministic it is a power of definition (my expression), or free will, if you like. It has no rational cause. It’s unpredictable. That makes indeterministic events irrational. If something is seemingly irrational, but after some research not, then it’s not irrational. Rationality and determinism are ways of interpreting and living in an irrational and indeterministic reality. It’s no explanation why it is like this. And this proposition is as said an assumption. We don’t know.
Jacobsen: Erik, with modern rational tools, e.g., statistics, to inform thoughts about the world, insofar as we can know the real world, do these tools provide unprecedented or more precise maps and, therefore, understandings of the world?
Haereid: Yes. Rational tools like statistics is ways of making us see, be aware of more parts (images) of reality. It improves our interactions with reality as real entities. As humans we are restricted to live in rationality, into order. And to do that we need to extract (translate) order from disorder in the chaotic reality. But order is not restricted to some limited amount of information. We evolve by collecting increasingly amounts of information, and make order out of it. This is the main purpose of human lives, seemingly. Evolving rational tools is part of this evolution. But our brains are constructed as though we believe that everything is order; we just have to collect some huge more amounts of information and put it into rationality (We want everything to be orderly; that’s part of our construction). But it’s, in my view, more reasonably that we never will explain the definition of power.
Jacobsen: Even with the same genetic equipment across the species, how does this change 1) our thoughts and mind structures and 2) the outputs in life and societal organization with new thoughts and new frameworks for individual and collective operation?
Haereid: I think individual and group-related narcissism and racism, and the opposite, self-hate, depression and suicide, are interim flaws or failures or appendixes to a better solution for the individuals and collective. The survival of the fittest is natures temporary act to get in power of controlling the evolution. On that road nature provide us with aggression and violence combined with opposing nurturing and compassion. Pure aggression leads us to perfection, which is the same as less variation and finally extinction. Pure compassion leads us to stop in evolution and no development. Then we will not be able to understand what we want to, and to get that control we strive for, whatever reason this is. This is a shuttle between safety and change.
It’s the manifold that define human cognition and mind, the Earth and life/nature. One conclusion could therefore be that the goal is more diversity under the rules of rationality, with the brain and consciousness as basic instruments. This leads to a possible infinite diverse reality, since the mind is an instrument to draw an increasingly more proper map over (parts of) reality. The reason why we restrict ourselves to perfectionism could be that we don’t have (yet) the capacity to embrace and internalize larger parts of reality into our logical structures. We choose what we can overcome at each moment.
We restrict diversity because we can’t understand it yet, and by understanding we create safety. While we are safe, we get energy for more diversity and more wisdom and evolution. Humans can be seen as one of natures instruments to internalize both variety (much information) and control (rationality).
There are species with the same genetic equipment, and the social structures will be a function of how far nature or life has come to reach its final goal. Peace is a function of safety, and safety is a function of feeling satisfied with being where we are. The day we are satisfied we know what we can and will know, we will relax and include everything that we sense and have in mind. Then we are at the point of optimal consciousness; where the mind as best reflects the invisible reality. Then the struggle is over. If we get there, we will live in harmony among species. The rules of nature will change because nature has reached its goal.
Jacobsen: If a capital “T” Truth cannot be reached ever, would this mean a continuous and never-ending change in “1)” and “2)” in proportion to one another?
Haereid: I think I answered this in the last question.
Jacobsen: Christian, why does ‘1 plus 1 sometimes equal 1 if one knows how to count to 3’?
Sorensen: Because 1+1= 1. In any case, I think that jealousy appeared in the evolution of human being when he learned to count to 3.
Jacobsen: Erik, why stick to the arithmetic principles of annihilation and symmetry?
Haereid: Because that’s one language which I am familiar with. I could push the limits and make several other interpretations.
Jacobsen: Christian, what is pseudo-indeterminism?
Sorensen: I think that pseudo indeterminism is equivalent to freedom, which is similar to a stain on clothes, since if a reverse reasoning is followed respect to the stain, it’s deductible that the more it is erased or made disappeared, which is analogous to the case of freedom when it is proclaimed or demanded, then more the underground of determinism and predestination will arise as indelible marks. Therefore I think that liberty in terms of pseudo indeterminism, is nothing else than what I will denominate as vitalist reactive formation, which means that a change of the original negative feeling that’s an expression of despair is done, in order to seek and replace it for another positive one of autonomy and of serenity of conscience.
Jacobsen: Erik, what is “the beginning”?
Haereid: Rationally, it’s chaos. Beyond our understanding, it’s a power of definition. A free will.
Jacobsen: Why is this, in arithmetic, always the case with 1 + 1 always equalling 2?
Haereid: It’s a definition and a logical consequence. It’s communication; an agreement. It doesn’t have to be that way. It’s a part of our common, objective mind map. It’s an example of how we humans squeeze chaotic reality into understandable order. It’s a compass. But it’s also misleading since it’s only a part of and an image of reality.
Jacobsen: Christian, what principles would imply never – not simply “sometimes” – producing 2 with 1 + 1? Are the degrees of comprehension of indeterminism and determinism, or the apparency of indeterminism and determinism, in the universe bound by the minds considering the two? In that, some things seem predictable and determinate to some, and unpredictable and indeterminate to others, where this means a greater understanding of the reality – or a greater accuracy in thoughts about the real world – within a bounded situation provides better predictive capacities to some in contrast to others. Does higher relative intelligence function in this manner?
Sorensen: I think that 1 + 1 is 1 and not 2 in two phenomena, one that’s plausible and another that’s certain, which are respectively that of ideal love and that of death. Something similar occurs with the mind and the understanding of reality, since in my opinion the unicity, the higher degree of intelligence and understandings are directly proportional, meanwhile a higher degree of intelligence with a predictable and determinable understandings of reality are inversely proportional.
Jacobsen: Erik, what principles would imply never – not simply “sometimes” – producing 2 with 1 + 1?
Haereid: It’s a definition and a logical consequence. It’s communication; an agreement. It doesn’t have to be that way. It’s a part of our common, objective mind map. It’s an example of how we humans squeeze chaotic reality into understandable order. It’s a compass. But it’s also misleading since it’s only a part of and an image of reality.
Jacobsen: Are the degrees of comprehension of indeterminism and determinism, or the apparency of indeterminism and determinism, in the universe bound by the minds considering the two?
Haereid: Yes. As insinuated, humans want the world to be deterministic, because that’s how we are constructed. We force ourselves by extracting the fitting pieces from reality and place it into suitable patterns that we can deal with. We see the world as deterministic, and each time reality shows us something else, we use energy to explain or twist these new inputs into our pleasant system of comprehension. We forget what we do not get.
Jacobsen: In that, some things seem predictable and determinate to some, and unpredictable and indeterminate to others, where this means a greater understanding of the reality – or a greater accuracy in thoughts about the real world – within a bounded situation provides better predictive capacities to some in contrast to others. Does higher relative intelligence function in this manner?
Haereid: The human mind is about processing input or information received from reality (I repeat myself…). Due to several causes, some are better to estimate or predict future events than others; their internal maps and processors are better. But this means that they are better in adapting the mind to the part of reality that fits the mind, and not necessarily better to understand reality. Such people are better to project parts of reality into a human language, and contribute to an evolution of that part. The consequence is that human interaction with reality increases (increasing in inputs and outputs); there are more connecting points between humans and reality. In that human view, reality will seem more and more deterministic, because we tend not to think of what we don’t see. We control amounts of thoughts, but not what we do not know or think of. But intelligent people also have a greater fantasy and therefore make more mistakes about reality; creating images that do not fit into reality.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Dr. Christian Sorensen is a Philosopher that comes from Belgium. What identifies him the most and above all is simplicity, for everything is better with “vanilla flavour.” Perhaps, for this reason, his intellectual passion is criticism and irony, in the sense of trying to reveal what “hides behind the mask,” and give birth to the true. For him, ignorance and knowledge never “cross paths.” What he likes the most in his leisure time, is to go for a walk with his wife.
[2] Erik Haereid has been a member of Mensa since 2013, and is among the top scorers on several of the most credible IQ-tests in the unstandardized HRT-environment. He is listed in the World Genius Directory. He is also a member of several other high IQ Societies.
Erik, born in 1963, grew up in Oslo, Norway, in a middle class home at Grefsen nearby the forest, and started early running and cross country skiing. After finishing schools he studied mathematics, statistics and actuarial science at the University of Oslo. One of his first glimpses of math-skills appeared after he got a perfect score as the only student on a five hour math exam in high school.
He did his military duty in His Majesty The King’s Guard (Drilltroppen)).
Impatient as he is, he couldn’t sit still and only studying, so among many things he worked as a freelance journalist in a small news agency. In that period, he did some environmental volunteerism with Norges Naturvernforbund (Norwegian Society for the Conservation of Nature), where he was an activist, freelance journalist and arranged ‘Sykkeldagen i Oslo’ twice (1989 and 1990) as well as environmental issues lectures. He also wrote some crime short stories in A-Magasinet (Aftenposten (one of the main newspapers in Norway), the same paper where he earned his runner up (second place) in a nationwide writing contest in 1985. He also wrote several articles in different newspapers, magazines and so on in the 1980s and early 1990s.
He earned an M.Sc. degree in Statistics and Actuarial Sciences in 1991, and worked as an actuary novice/actuary from 1987 to 1995 in several Norwegian Insurance companies. He was the Academic Director (1998-2000) of insurance at the BI Norwegian Business School (1998-2000), Manager (1997-1998) of business insurance, life insurance, and pensions and formerly Actuary (1996-1997) at Nordea in Oslo Area, Norway, a self-employed Actuary Consultant (1996-1997), an Insurance Broker (1995-1996) at Assurance Centeret, Actuary (1991-1995) at Alfa Livsforsikring, novice Actuary (1987-1990) at UNI Forsikring.
In 1989 he worked in a project in Dallas with a Texas computer company for a month incorporating a Norwegian pension product into a data system. Erik is specialized in life insurance and pensions, both private and business insurances. From 1991 to 1995 he was a main part of developing new life insurance saving products adapted to bank business (Sparebanken NOR), and he developed the mathematics behind the premiums and premium reserves.
He has industry experience in accounting, insurance, and insurance as a broker. He writes in his IQ-blog the online newspaper Nettavisen. He has personal interests among other things in history, philosophy and social psychology.
In 1995, he moved to Aalborg in Denmark because of a Danish girl he met. He worked as an insurance broker for one year, and took advantage of this experience later when he developed his own consultant company.
In Aalborg, he taught himself some programming (Visual Basic), and developed an insurance calculation software program which he sold to a Norwegian Insurance Company. After moving to Oslo with his girlfriend, he was hired as consultant by the same company to a project that lasted one year.
After this, he became the Manager of business insurance in the insurance company Norske Liv. At that time he had developed and nurtured his idea of establishing an actuarial consulting company, and he did this after some years on a full-time basis with his actuarial colleague. In the beginning, the company was small. He had to gain money, and worked for almost two years as an Academic Director of insurance at the BI Norwegian Business School.
Then the consultant company started to grow, and he quitted BI and used his full time in NIA (Nordic Insurance Administration). This was in 1998/99, and he has been there since.
NIA provides actuarial consulting services within the pension and life insurance area, especially towards the business market. They was one of the leading actuarial consulting companies in Norway through many years when Defined Benefit Pension Plans were on its peak and companies needed evaluations and calculations concerning their pension schemes and accountings. With the less complex, and cheaper, Defined Contribution Pension Plans entering Norway the last 10-15 years, the need of actuaries is less concerning business pension schemes.
Erik’s book from 2011, Benektelse og Verdighet, contains some thoughts about our superficial, often discriminating societies, where the virtue seems to be egocentrism without thoughts about the whole. Empathy is lacking, and existential division into “us” and “them” is a mental challenge with major consequences. One of the obstacles is when people with power – mind, scientific, money, political, popularity – defend this kind of mind as “necessary” and “survival of the fittest” without understanding that such thoughts make the democracies much more volatile and threatened. When people do not understand the genesis of extreme violence like school killings, suicide or sociopathy, asking “how can this happen?” repeatedly, one can wonder how smart man really is. The responsibility is not limited to let’s say the parents. The responsibility is everyone’s. The day we can survive, mentally, being honest about our lives and existence, we will take huge leaps into the future of mankind.
[3] Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-3; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Linguistic Breaks, Mind Maps, Truth, Irrational and Indeterminate, Conflicted and Contradictory Reality, Multinary Forms of Thinking, and “1+1=1”: Independent Philosopher & Metaphysician [Online].September 2020; 24(D). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-3.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 1). Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Linguistic Breaks, Mind Maps, Truth, Irrational and Indeterminate, Conflicted and Contradictory Reality, Multinary Forms of Thinking, and “1+1=1”: Independent Philosopher & Metaphysician. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-3.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Linguistic Breaks, Mind Maps, Truth, Irrational and Indeterminate, Conflicted and Contradictory Reality, Multinary Forms of Thinking, and “1+1=1”: Independent Philosopher & Metaphysician. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.D, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-3>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Linguistic Breaks, Mind Maps, Truth, Irrational and Indeterminate, Conflicted and Contradictory Reality, Multinary Forms of Thinking, and “1+1=1”: Independent Philosopher & Metaphysician.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.D. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-3.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Linguistic Breaks, Mind Maps, Truth, Irrational and Indeterminate, Conflicted and Contradictory Reality, Multinary Forms of Thinking, and “1+1=1”: Independent Philosopher & Metaphysician.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.D (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-3.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Linguistic Breaks, Mind Maps, Truth, Irrational and Indeterminate, Conflicted and Contradictory Reality, Multinary Forms of Thinking, and “1+1=1”: Independent Philosopher & Metaphysician‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.D. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-3>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Linguistic Breaks, Mind Maps, Truth, Irrational and Indeterminate, Conflicted and Contradictory Reality, Multinary Forms of Thinking, and “1+1=1”: Independent Philosopher & Metaphysician‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.D., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-3.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Linguistic Breaks, Mind Maps, Truth, Irrational and Indeterminate, Conflicted and Contradictory Reality, Multinary Forms of Thinking, and “1+1=1”: Independent Philosopher & Metaphysician.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.D (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Ask Two Geniuses with Dr. Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Linguistic Breaks, Mind Maps, Truth, Irrational and Indeterminate, Conflicted and Contradictory Reality, Multinary Forms of Thinking, and “1+1=1”: Independent Philosopher & Metaphysician [Internet]. (2020, September 24(D). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-3.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,735
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Beatrice Rescazzi is the President of AtlantIQ. She discusses: the trend in the high-IQ societies; family history; some crucial or pivotal moments of upbringing; some of the gifts; the asynchronous development of the gifted and talented; the overexcitability of the gifted and talented; educational; professional; a high-IQ community; AtlantIQ; functional, active, and existent high-IQ societies; become involved with or members of AtlantIQ; Graham Powell; more important figures within the high-IQ community or communities; some of the greatest geniuses in history; few women geniuses in the history of world; few women who are in the high-IQ communities; a respectful and positive space for women; a similar set of issues for members of the LGBTI community; favourite hobbies; favourite colour; top 5 favourite books; the rankings or listings within the high-IQ societies; and importance of publications like those published by AtlantIQ, the Triple Nine Society, and others.
Keywords: AtlantIQ, Beatrice Rescazzi, community, family, genius.
Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Family, Genius, and Community: President, AtlantIQ (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I have been interviewing members of and working intensively with members of the high-IQ communities at a wide range of rarities for a number of years now in a number of different capacities. In an effort to compile and analyze every resource available now, so far, in the preliminary analysis, I have noticed the graveyard for most societies, or as AtlantIQ lists them as “dead” societies. Why is this the trend in the high-IQ societies?
Beatrice Rescazzi[1],[2]*: While the first high-IQ societies were physically existing, with real addresses and meeting places, over time new societies were born exclusively online. Since the resources required to run an online group are fewer, I think that even those founders who also had less time and passion to devote, have created new high IQ companies more easily, but they also closed just as easily. Either way, my societies graveyard is to be taken with some humor.
Jacobsen: Taking a step back, what is family history, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Rescazzi: First, I would love to be more interesting than that but, my family has been native to north-central Italy since time immemorial: the surnames in my family all show origins in the area between Florence and Venice, at least since 1300.
As for the culture, although I love my birthplace with all its wonderful art and tradition, and it seems that my ancestors were couch potatoes who never ventured into faraway places, I have always felt like a citizen of the world: I do not recognize the need for state borders; I believe that it is everyone’s duty to resolve the problems that afflict people even in the most distant geographical areas; and I believe in full international collaboration for the common good of the whole humanity.
As far as politics and religions are concerned, I know I’m unpopular when I say that I see both of them primarily as dangerous means of division, and act like filters that stand between the observer and the world. We know that the human brain – like other organs – has evolved to waste as few resources as possible: consequently it is more natural for us to jump to easy conclusions rather than “waste energy” and continue to ask ourselves questions, study and overcome the cognitive dissonances that keep us in the pleasant convinction of having the best ideology and the best possible cult. Whenever we label ourselves as followers of the political party “X” or religion “Y”, we are not only looking at the whole world through that filter, but we are creating a division from others. I study with pleasure the different ideas and thoughts of philosophers and prophets, but I take care not to embrace any ideologies, parties, religions and beliefs and to maintain a global and inclusive vision without any filter before my eyes.
As for languages, as you can see, unfortunately my English is a little ungrammatical. Yet, I guess it’s still good enough that I might be elected President of the United States. In a discontinuous way I study other languages that intrigue me such as Japanese and Esperanto, above all.
Jacobsen: What were some crucial or pivotal moments of upbringing?
Rescazzi: Since all the readers will be tired of reading my interview up to this point, I can tell you a secret, Scott: I hated school for many years. My problem was following a boring program instead of being able to get the answers to my many questions right away. Hence, many crucial moments in my upbringing were negative. I didn’t fit especially at Catholic private middle school, where bullying, hypocrisy and closed-mindedness were at home.
When I came home from school, on the other hand, I had huge libraries with many thematic encyclopedias, grammars, essays, novels … I also had my Commodore 64 with programs of astronomy, musical composition, creation of sprites, text speech. So, for many years, school for me was a place I couldn’t wait to leave to go home to finally read, study and code.
It was only when I started university that I was able to really manage my time and learning methods.
Jacobsen: When did you find out about some of the gifts for yourself?
Rescazzi: I have not known that I am gifted for many years. I’ve always felt like a fish out of water but if you ask around, many feel that way, and so in itself it doesn’t mean anything. I did not coincide with the stereotype of the bespectacled male child who does great at school. Furthermore, the type of intelligence where I shine the most is the spatial-visual type, which has little relevance at school, where abstract subjects are given more prominence.
When I was around sixteen, I bought a quiz book for fun. At the end of the book there were tables with a score each. I realized that my scores were sometimes reaching the extreme upper limit or even exceeding it. Because it appeared from the book that I was very good at math while I was not in school, I considered that book very unreliable, and I left and forgot it in my library.
Many years later, when the Internet became available, I learned about giftedness, psychometrics and more about other neurodiversities such as sensory synaesthesia, which is also one of my characteristics. I began to delve into these topics and discovered that the quiz book bought years ago, now yellowed by time, had been written by the famous psychologist Hans J. Eysenck.
So I began to consider the possibility that my different way of thinking could result from a different IQ than the norm. I took some tests online, to find that they confirmed my hypothesis. I discovered that logical-mathematical intelligence has nothing to do with grades in mathematics at school, even for those who are dyscalculic.
Some tests were considered valid for entering groups with gifted individuals. So, as a fish out of water, I finally found myself in good company becoming a member to many high IQ societies. Later I went to a psychologist to have a more precise profile of my potential. So, I was pretty slow to realize that I was gifted…
Jacobsen: What are some important things to keep in mind about the asynchronous development of the gifted and talented?
Rescazzi: In my opinion, the most important things to keep in mind about the asynchronous development of the gifted and talented, is that giving little importance or ignoring people’s feelings can lead to very serious consequences, both immediately and in subsequent years. Second, the talent of gifted children is in danger of being wasted. These children do not always have the strength to overcome the loneliness that comes from misunderstanding with their peers, teachers and sometimes families as well. Great importance must be given to the development of a balanced emotional sphere, which will allow the child to manage their feelings and make right decisions in life. Unfortunately, we still tend to believe today that intelligence is sufficient to understand everything, while the emotional part is even an obstacle to reasoning. But this is an outdated concept, and it is dangerous to perpetuate it, especially when you see how many depressed people there are among the gifted, who then become unable to manage their own lives and be successful, even with the highest IQ.
Jacobsen: What are some important things to keep in mind about the overexcitability of the gifted and talented?
Rescazzi: With regard to overexcitability, in my opinion it is necessary that more information be disseminated on this and on all aspects of giftedness. In this way, people who are in contact with the talented child understand that having a high IQ is not just having bright ideas, but there are also other characteristics, which also manifest themselves in behavior and character. The greater the understanding of the strengths and limitations of talented children, the more it will be possible to support them in their educational path. Children who are 2E (twice exceptional) should expecially be kept in mind.
Jacobsen: What did you pursue educationally in young adulthood and moving forward?
Rescazzi: At the University I mainly studied ophthalmology, optics, orthoptics, computer science. Subsequently I followed several university and non-university courses on every topic that ignites my curiosity. If I am not busy, I study many hours a day on my own, be it with a course or with manuals and books.
Jacobsen: What did you pursue professionally in young adulthood and moving forward?
Rescazzi: My working career includes optician, orthoptist, eye surgery assistant, and also computer science teacher in adult courses. Being fond of learning, I taught myself many things including electronics, robotics, and also, how to build 3D printers and 3D print, and this has become a more frequent activity of mine in recent years, since one of my projects is to make medical devices easily accessible to everyone. Some of my inventions and designs appear in the issues of Leonardo – the society magazine.
Jacobsen: Now, when did you find a high-IQ community?
Rescazzi: I found the first high-IQ community in 2009. It was the International High IQ Society.
Jacobsen: With AtlantIQ, why did you found a high-IQ community?
Rescazzi: It seemed to me that many high IQ societies didn’t give much prominence to the actual abilities of the gifted. It is true that the Intelligent Quotient is the expression of a potential, but I wanted to bring together the people who actually use that potential and express it in the most varied forms. The “low” cut-off required for admission to the AtlantIQ Society along with the submission of documentation proving special skills in the arts and sciences, on the one hand includes more talented people, on the other excludes those who only collect IQ tests without having anything intellectually interesting to offer.
Furthermore, it seems to me that knowledge is put aside a bit in many societies, while in my opinion, a thirsty mind requires numerous inputs and resources. So I also created a virtual library with over two thousand books, that is accessible to every member. I also decided that it was time to found a society with totally free admission, where even students, artists, unemployed – who cannot pay a fee plus the cost of the tests, which are required in many other societies – are welcome. High-IQ society doesn’t have to be a club, in my opinion.
Jacobsen: In some of my preliminary analysis or review, why is AtlantIQ one of the few functional, active, and existent high-IQ societies compared to a graveyard of others? Even of those who may be functional, there are a large number who are barely active or who may be paralytic – not so for the AtlantIQ community.
Rescazzi: I suppose that AtlantIQ reflects a bit my way of being, which is that of a very active person.
Jacobsen: How can people become involved with or members of AtlantIQ?
Rescazzi: I’m not a fan of social media, but as they are a popular medium to communicate and share, there is an AtlantIQ Facebook group for those interested in the AtlantIQ high IQ Society.
Instead, for those wishing to become a member, there is detailed information for submissions on the dedicated page of the website: www.atlantiqsociety.com
Jacobsen: How has Graham Powell been an important support for the AtlantIQ community and development of the society?
Rescazzi: Graham Powell holds the position of Vice President and as such presents our quarterly magazine with me. Thanks to his linguistic knowledge he can amend articles written by contributors. In fact, once I complete the graphics, layout and content, Graham revises the text and sometimes contributes his poems himself. In the past he has participated in meetings abroad with representatives of other high IQ societies as an exponent of AtlantIQ. Depending on the society’s activities, he can also hold the position of judge or consultant.
Jacobsen: Who are some of the more important figures within the high-IQ community or communities inasmuch as it or they exist? Why them?
Rescazzi: There are two main types of members in the high IQ community: those who like to brag and draw attention, publish their test results, and pose as philosophers. And there are the modest people, who listen instead of talk, whose name is not so well known, who use their skills to solve problems, put into practice brilliant ideas, and study to improve themselves, without making a lot of noise.
My admiration goes to the latter.
Jacobsen: Who do you consider some of the greatest geniuses in history?
Rescazzi: It is no coincidence that I have dedicated the AtlantIQ Society to Leonardo da Vinci. I consider him an incomparable polyhedric genius.
We know of Archimedes his numerous brilliant inventions, and although many of his writings have been lost, there is still enough material to consider him a true genius.
I would also like to say Socrates, but since he left nothing in writing, there is even the remote possibility that Socrates never even existed and that his words are to be attributed to others.
There is a cultural bias in Western culture and schoolbooks that universal men like Shen Kuo and other brilliant characters from distant cultures aren’t even named. Similarly to Leonardo, he mastered a wide range of different subjects, but 400 years earlier.
Finally, a modern day genius that I admire is Elon Musk. He certainly doesn’t hold the patent record – like the incredible Shunpei Yamazaki – but Musk has the rare gift of shaping the future and thinking so outside the box that it arouses bewilderment to people who believed they knew what was possible and what was not.
Jacobsen: Why are there so few women geniuses in the history of world who have been permitted to flourish?
Rescazzi: The answer partially lies in your question: “… who have been permitted to flourish.” The smaller build of the female gender together with a less aggressive soul has led to suppose in many societies that women should be kept in a condition of subjection, where their rights are permits. This has done nothing but keep many human communities of the Earth in a condition of backwardness and low dignity. Because it’s the way people treat others that shows how much people are worth. The evolution towards a society free from sexual prejudices is still in progress, and has not yet begun in many parts of the world.
Jacobsen: Why are there so few women who are in the high-IQ communities?
Rescazzi: There are two main reasons for the low number of women joining high-IQ societies.
The first is cultural. Statistically, gifted girls are less recognized than boys. A character factor also intervenes: females tend to doubt their potential more, with a more widespread Impostor Syndrome, while males are generally more inclined to overestimate themselves and flaunt their skills. Furthermore, the traditional division of duties prevents women from having free time to devote to themselves, due to occupations at home: it is worrying to note that there are no adhesions by women from the more traditionalist countries at all.
The other reason is that there is indeed a difference in the brains of men and women: the distribution of IQ in the male and female populations is different, with a greater variation in the male than in the female with the latter more concentrated in the average values. It means that among males there are both more subnormal and gifted individuals, while in females both the subnormal and the gifted are rarer (some links grouped in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variability_hypothesis#Modern_studies)
Jacobsen: What can be done to create a respectful and positive space for women in the high-IQ communities?
Rescazzi: I think it is important to start with general education to respect others at school and in families, avoiding stereotypes and differences in education from early childhood. As long as there are things like silly pink toys for girls and interesting blue toys for boys – as is still the case even in the most advanced societies – we will not be able to have people who are truly free to be as they are and able to follow their aspirations. You may know that women from Mensa and other high IQ societies have created a separate social media group that includes both women and those who recognize themselves as such: it happened because the large male majority in other high IQ groups more often makes these places a source of quarrels based on competition and vanity, while there is a lack of sensitivity to address certain issues, such as homosexuality, mental illness or bullying.
Obviously, this is a generalization, and there are also many talented men with mature and respectful behavior, but we know that even a few individuals in a group are enough to create toxic dynamics and an inhospitable environment for a certain type of people.
Jacobsen: Is it a similar set of issues for members of the LGBTI community within the high-IQ communities (similar to women)?
Rescazzi: I know of homophobic individuals in high IQ societies, and I believe that this, together with other manifestations of intolerance towards diversity, discredits the very value of the much inflated IQ measurement, which evidently does not take into account deficiencies in judgment and sensitivity. Everyone is welcome in the AtlantIQ Society, if it needs to be said.
Jacobsen: What are favourite hobbies?
Rescazzi: Good for you that you have specified “favorites”, narrowing the field a bit, because I cultivate a lot of hobbies, and I don’t know how much space I am given here. Among my favorites are astronomy and space missions, which I follow with such great diligence that in the end I have also infected my husband with this interest. I love all new technologies and I love to experiment with the 3D printing by creating a bit of everything, from Martian habitats for competitions to optical instruments and useful objects for those who need them, such as the face shields that I 3D printed for the healthcare workers during the pandemic. I am interested in robotics, and lately, in the branch of soft robotics. The mascot that appears at the bottom of the list of members on the website of the AtlantIQ society, is called Verbo and is one of my robots. I like nutrition, herbalism, food history and cooking by inventing healthy desserts. I like to draw (2D and 3D), and manage the company’s Leonardo magazine in the graphic field, in the publication, in the contents I write and receive from members. I love to learn, invent and build. I love computer science, programming languages, collecting and restoring retro computers… I stop here.
Jacobsen: What’s your favourite colour?
Rescazzi: Purple. Besides being a beautiful color, it’s interesting from a physics point of view as no single frequency of electromagnetic radiation can create purple: there is no such thing as a purple light in the electromagnetic spectrum (not to be confused with violet). The purple pigment was also very valuable and rare in nature and has a very interesting history.
Jacobsen: What are your top 5 favourite books?
Rescazzi: It’s a difficult question because I’m an avid reader, so I’ve tried to limit the number to ten, but not without doing wrong to other titles that I love equally.
Freedom from the Known by Jiddu Krishnamurti.
Ulysses’ Lies. The Adventure of Logic from Parmenides to Amartya Sen by Piergiorgio Odifreddi
Reality Is Not What It Seems: The Journey to Quantum Gravity by Carlo Rovelli
The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind by Gustave Le Bon
Journey to the Center of the Earth by Jules Verne
The Caves of Steel by Isaac Asimov
The Art of Loving by Erich Fromm.
Kinds of Minds: Towards an Understanding of Consciousness by Daniel C. Dennett
The Philosophy of Moral Development by Lawrence Kohlberg
Meeting with Japan by Fosco Maraini
Jacobsen: What explains the rankings or listings within the high-IQ societies? Why is this an endeavour to list the highest of the highest in this niche community?
Rescazzi: I’m sorry to be brutally honest, but those lists are nothing more than an expression of vanity. Some members literally pay to appear in “genius lists”, and like to show this IQ number of theirs like it corresponds to the amount of what they are worth, which in my opinion is counterproductive to their own value and dignity as a person, now reduced to a mere number. Yet, this number seems enough to make them self-proclaim geniuses.
It should be remembered that the IQ shown in many lists and societies is often based on online tests that may not be very accurate, or have even already been compromised by the presence of answers on the internet. In the best case, it represents the measure of a potential, leaving out things like critical thinking, creativity, self-perception, maturity, sense of reality, emotional balance and many other skills that could divide a person who simply scores high on a test from a properly intelligent person.
On the same wave, we’ve also seen the creation of high-IQ societies that ridiculously restricted entry to anyone but the founder, or a few others, just to point out that an online test had given him an incredibly high score. Unfortunately these monstrous scores, which if confirmed would overshadow those of Leonardo da Vinci and Albert Einstein put together, do not show correspondence with any achievements of the same level in life. To me, it doesn’t look much different from those superficial busty women who are all about their physical appearance and whose giant breasts are fake. Here, I said it. Now, if I become the most hated member of the high IQ community, it’s your fault, Scott …
Jacobsen: What is the importance of publications like those published by AtlantIQ, the Triple Nine Society, and others?
Rescazzi: I can answer for the AtlantIQ Society only: Leonardo magazine is a means for all AtlantIQ members to express themselves, to inform others and get informed, to get to know the Society and its members, to learn new things and stay updated. It is a free magazine that also includes many guest authors and can be read and downloaded for free by anyone.
Many thanks to Scott Jacobsen for this interview, who like a gentleman didn’t ask my age not even in dog years.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] President, AtlantIQ.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-1; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Family, Genius, and Community: President, AtlantIQ (1)[Online].September 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 1). Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Family, Genius, and Community: President, AtlantIQ (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-1http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Family, Genius, and Community: President, AtlantIQ (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Family, Genius, and Community: President, AtlantIQ (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Family, Genius, and Community: President, AtlantIQ (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Family, Genius, and Community: President, AtlantIQ (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Family, Genius, and Community: President, AtlantIQ (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Family, Genius, and Community: President, AtlantIQ (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Beatrice Rescazzi on Family, Genius, and Community: President, AtlantIQ (1)[Internet]. (2020, September 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/rescazzi-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,648
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Richard Sheen is a young independent artist, philosopher, photographer and theologian based in New Zealand. He has studied at Tsinghua University of China and The University of Auckland in New Zealand, and holds degrees in Philosophy and Theological Studies. Originally raised atheist but later came to Christianity, Richard is dedicated to the efforts of human rights and equality, nature conservation, mental health, and to bridge the gap of understanding between the secular and the religious. Richard’s research efforts primarily focus on the epistemic and doxastic frameworks of theism and atheism, the foundations of rational theism and reasonable faith in God, the moral and practical implications of these frameworks of understanding, and the rebuttal of biased and irrational understandings and worship of God. He seeks to reconcile the apparent conflict between science and religion, and to find solutions to problems facing our environmental, societal and existential circumstances as human beings with love and integrity. Richard is also a proponent for healthy, sustainable and eco-friendly lifestyles, and was a frequent participant in competitive sports, fitness training, and strategy gaming. Richard holds publications and awards from Mensa New Zealand and The University of Auckland, and has pending publications for the United Sigma Intelligence Association and CATHOLIQ Society. He discusses: the importance of understanding where other people are coming from in life; passion into ordinary considerations of daily living; love; meaning; these descriptions of love and meaning relate to understanding and compassion; and the meaning of it all – of life and existence.
Keywords: life, meaning, philosophy, Richard Sheen, theology.
Conversation with Richard Sheen on the Meaning from Life: Independent Artist, Philosopher, Photographer, and Theologian (6)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Understanding and compassion reflect different sides of the same coin in humanizing others and oneself, the realization of the gap between seemingly very different people as not quite as big as one thought before. The realization of the frailty of the human frame and flesh. That which, from many religious points of view, God gave Mankind as a gift and blessing while cursed by the fallen nature of Satan and Evil, and the fundamental Sin of Adam and Eve at the beginning of Man in the Garden of Eden with the Redemption of Mankind in the death, burial, and Resurrection of, God made Man in, Jesus Christ. From naturalistic views, that particular organism, primate or human animal, which evolved to be good enough for the perpetuation of form or survival based on various selection pressures in its relevant ancestral environment, where this implies various capacities, limitations, and flaws in a naturalistic, evolved order. In either case, the understanding of human vulnerability remains marked in many ways, probably not in others. This universalization, in a normal person, typically, induces more compassion for other people. While taking into account the in-depth responses on reason and faith, science, metaphysics, ethics, philosophy, society, the human person and humanity, and the like, what brings these together in the acknowledgement of the importance of understanding where other people are coming from in life?
Richard Sheen[1],[2]*: I believe what truly brings people together, regardless of occasion, is the acknowledgement and realisation of universal values – of which the most important and central value is love. From a philosophical perspective, it is sometimes understood that we, as sentient human beings capable of rationality and free will, are “cast” into existence in this world – we are here not by our own volition, we simply open our eyes one day and find that we happen to exist, without even knowing what the concept of “existence” means at first. Our constant struggle to grasp for meaning, purpose, and the contemplation of finality gives us the motivation to continue to unravel the reasons behind our own existence, and ponder upon the eternal curiosity of why there is something rather than nothing. Through this constant struggle with meaning and reason, we come to realise that we are all seeking a common goal – an answer, or perhaps something to soothe the soul’s uncertainty, for the Ultimate Concern, as Paul Tillich would put it.
The Ultimate Concern is the one concern which qualifies all other concerns as preliminary, and in itself provides the answer to the meaning of life. This concern demands total surrender and sacrifice of all other concerns in its pursuit. For Tillich, who is a theologian, this one greatest concern is faith and God, or more precisely, an “ecstatic passion” for God through faith that transcends the profane and ordinary. For many others, it may be the well-being of their parents, their children, their academic and financial success in life, and in the most petty of cases, simple basal pleasure unguided by any principle or faculties of the intellect. There are perhaps as many concerns as there are people who have ever existed, but the one concern that brings us together universally, is love, as the Christian teaching preaches for. To those of us who follow this path, the understanding, pursuit and realisation of love within this limited world through the faith and teachings of Jesus Christ becomes the Ultimate Concern in which we seek to align our words and actions with. At the end of the crossroads, I believe that all concerns ultimately gather at the destination of love, be it love for the self, for others, or for the greater good. This desire for and gradual realisation of love from oneself to one another is what truly brings forth a deepest level of understanding and compassion for one another as human beings. In colloquial terms, in order to understand one another, we need to “be in the shoes of one another”, allowing us to gain insight into the concerns of others, and ultimately, be able to understand and show compassion towards others.
The differential nature of our concerns naturally lead to disagreements, and in many cases, these conflicts cloud our judgement and lead us astray. A concern for the greater good is not universally shared between all of mankind, as there are those who are concerned only for their own personal interest. Dead ends in our pursuit for meaning and purpose occur ubiquitously, particularly within today’s world of social media where distractions and diversions constantly hammer at our capacity to focus. We are met with disagreements, conflicts, and a constant reaffirmation of our egotistical desires, all of which lead us away from the purposes of love. But the power of love brings us together in spite of our differences, it demolishes the ego and restores our faith in the good of the world. Regardless of religious or naturalistic interpretations of our earthly bodies, the capacity and yearning for love is what we must embrace in order to achieve the kind of understanding and compassion that we both desire for mankind as a whole.
Jacobsen: How does this, to you, bring compassion into ordinary considerations of daily living, where the advanced ideas are brought down to the dirt?
Sheen: The capacity to experience and love one another is our foundational faculty in which compassion stems from. While one does not necessarily have to love another in any colloquial sense to be able to understand and show compassion towards another, one must at least be able to acknowledge each other as persons, rather than objects or mere means to an end in order for such compassion to arise. As such, from a most fundamental level, compassion arises from our purest capacity to love and care for one another as both an emotional response, and as a rational desire to care for another solely for the well-being of the other. This may be slightly different for non-human animals (or non-persons), however the universal pattern is the acknowledgement and acceptance of others not as mere objects or means to an end, but as ends themselves. This way, we allow ourselves to see and experience the world through the perspective of the other, and hence, extend our ability to care for one another based on the needs of the other. This empathy and perspective from the bonding of love and understanding is what I believe brings compassion to reality.
Jacobsen: What is love to you? Some philosophers, even metaphysicians, simply leave this question alone, probably, because of the profound importance in all of our lives of this deep portion of human nature. Something experienced by most or all, yet ineffable in many ways.
Sheen: This is a question that I have wrestled with for many years, but am yet to understand. For me, I often refer to the Bible in terms of understanding what love is, and there seems to be multiple layers to this question. Love can manifest in many ways, in the narrowest sense it would imply some sort of desire within us, a desire or enjoyment of something, such as eating mango. Love can also manifest as a feeling of intimacy or attraction towards someone, such as romantic love. It can also manifest as genuine care for the well-being of another, such as brotherly or parental love. But I believe the greatest of love is Godly love, which is distinct from the former types of love, but lays out the foundation for all other forms of love.
Godly love is unconditional, it does not depend on some quality or characteristic in the object, or demand something in return in order to manifest itself – there is no reciprocal relationship in Godly love. Godly love, according to the Bible, is unconditional, ever-persevering and humble. Unlike all other types of love, Godly love does not involve some sort of emotional desire or transactional relationship (e.g. I love mango because it provides the tasty sensation in my mouth when I eat it). Godly love seeks truth and justice in eternal faith and hope, it denies falsehood and selfishness, and rejects evil in all its forms. Godly love is the unconditional teleological framework of the moral good. It is the love that disarms all hatred and animosity, as we are called to love our enemies by Jesus Christ. In practice, Godly love is the love that wills nothing but the good, unconditionally, for any and all, in accordance to the teleological framework of the highest moral goodness. In this sense, Godly love is selfless, it does not distinguish between the self or the other, nor does it demand any sort of quality or characteristic in order to manifest itself. Godly love wills for the reformation of the criminal, the abstinence of the alcoholic, and the well-being of the single mother. It’s will for good persists eternally, in faith and humility. It is this Godly love that we Christians aspire to learn and practice, and suffice to say, it is hard.
Jacobsen: What is meaning to you? Is this simply a synonym for significance? Those things, along a gradient, more significant than others to an individual or a collective seen as more meaningful reflecting an intrinsic and generated sense of meaning rather than imposed from outside individual people. Or is meaning something much different, requiring a belief of a higher-order power and source of it?
Sheen: Meaning or purpose as I see it, is the foundational motive or impetus of any and all human action, be it a petty desire for pleasure or a noble ambition to make the world a better place. I use the term meaning and purpose in roughly interchangeable ways because they both refer to the fundamental “teleology of action” – the reason(s) why an action of a free agent occurred in the first place. I personally see the meaning or purpose behind actions as the most important of all qualities or characteristics that make up our actions.
From a philosophical point of view we can see everything, including every relation in the world as largely belonging to one of three categories: logical, causal, or teleological. Logical entities are atemporal, as formal logic alone does not refer to temporality unlike causal entities. The equation 1 + 1 = 2 carries the same information regardless whether you read it from left to right or vice versa. Causal entities are always temporal, as the existence of particular contingent beings are necessarily preceded by something else that led to its existence. Causal relations reflect the temporal order in which one thing is followed by another. Teleology is unique in that it applies only to rational free agents such as human beings. Teleology is the meaning or purpose behind an action, it is the value that drives a free agent in pursuing a certain thing or result, and the greatest teleology or meaning, I believe, is Godly love.
Godly love, as the highest order teleological framework for the moral good, is necessitated as a prerequisite to all other forms of love, as love pertains to the good, and all subjective good must rely on the foundational concept or ideal of an objective good (otherwise we would have no idea what constitutes “goodness” at all). All other forms of meaning are hence partial representations of Godly love, not all of which are truly good. For example, an alcoholic’s love for beer is focused only on the pleasure of consumption, but looses sight of the perseverance for universal goodness, given that he is harming himself and those around him by constantly over-drinking. In this sense, the alcoholic’s “love” is a partial representation of the fullest extent of love that is Godly love. It is a poor imitation of Godly love, manifested within the worldly shallows of immediate pleasure.
I personally believe that it is imperative that a belief in a high-order (God as the ultimate teleological foundation of all meaning and purpose) is necessary for any and all forms of meaning or purpose to be valid, otherwise there would be no grounding as to why we should trust or cherish any of it. At the very bottom of the debate, the foundational disagreement between theism and atheism, as I see it, is the debate whether there is some sort of inherent meaning to life and existence, or if everything is merely an illusion of a perpetually unexplainable “accident” out of chance (which I term as the “accident of the gaps” argument, a satirical twist of the ubiquitous “god of the gaps” argument). I guess this quote by C.S Lewis might shed more light in this context:
“Supposing there was no intelligence behind the universe, no creative mind. In that case, nobody designed my brain for the purpose of thinking. It is merely that when the atoms inside my skull happen, for physical or chemical reasons, to arrange themselves in a certain way, this gives me, as a by-product, the sensation I call thought. But, if so, how can I trust my own thinking to be true?”
As a further extension of this perplexing situation, if it were the case that there is no ultimate purpose or meaning as an overarching teleology of the entirety of existence, even the question “Is there some sort of ultimate meaning?” wouldn’t make sense, as the very blueprints of meaning that led to the arise of such curiosity would not exist, any and all fragments of meaning would then be lost within the void of logical certainty and causal determinism.
Jacobsen: Do these descriptions of love and meaning relate to understanding and compassion?
Sheen: I believe they do, as understanding seeks truth, so does Godly love. Love without understanding can be misguided, as despite good intentions, it is possible to provide the incorrect aid to another even in genuine love, and make things a lot worse in the long run. For example, giving money or continuing to supply a homeless alcoholic with beer might seem like a charity on the outside, but the continued indulgence in alcohol will only lead to death and destruction for both the homeless alcoholic and those around him. If one only supports the homeless alcoholic with money without knowing what he intends to use them for, one may in reality be leading him down the path of destruction, despite one’s good intentions. In this sense, love and understanding are closely related – one cannot practice love effectively without understanding. This is also the reason why the Bible stresses the importance of truth in love, as love without understanding of truth can easily be led astray.
Jacobsen: What, in the end, is the meaning of it all – of life and existence?
Sheen: That will really depend on who you ask. I do not proclaim to be able to find and identify the meaning for other’s lives, nor am I arrogant enough to define or regulate the purpose other people’s actions. I can only answer for myself, and my life’s meaning is to strive for love, justice and equality for all, and be able to best contribute to these purposes for our society with my greatest strengths and abilities. Love, altruistic justice, and compassion is what I seek as the highest meaning for my life, and at the centre of this triangle is God, realised through faith and a never ending pursuit of Godly love. To seek understanding, and bring forth realisation of the Grand Teleology of Design that is the realisation of the highest good in our universe, and be able to share this wisdom with others and actualise this divine image of the Kingdom of God, in spite of all the evils and imperfections of our world…perhaps at the heart of my desires, this love and reverence for the ultimate moral goodness is what pushes me forward.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Richard.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Independent Artist, Philosopher, Photographer, and Theologian.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sheen-6; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Richard Sheen on the Meaning from Life: Independent Artist, Philosopher, Photographer, and Theologian (6)[Online].September 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sheen-6.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 1). Conversation with Richard Sheen on the Meaning from Life: Independent Artist, Philosopher, Photographer, and Theologian (6). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sheen-6.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Richard Sheen on the Meaning from Life: Independent Artist, Philosopher, Photographer, and Theologian (6). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sheen-6>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Richard Sheen on the Meaning from Life: Independent Artist, Philosopher, Photographer, and Theologian (6).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sheen-6.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Richard Sheen on the Meaning from Life: Independent Artist, Philosopher, Photographer, and Theologian (6).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sheen-6.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Richard Sheen on the Meaning from Life: Independent Artist, Philosopher, Photographer, and Theologian (6)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sheen-6>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Richard Sheen on the Meaning from Life: Independent Artist, Philosopher, Photographer, and Theologian (6)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sheen-6.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Richard Sheen on the Meaning from Life: Independent Artist, Philosopher, Photographer, and Theologian (6).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sheen-6>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Richard Sheen on the Meaning from Life: Independent Artist, Philosopher, Photographer, and Theologian (6)[Internet]. (2020, September 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sheen-6.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,016
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Paul Cooijmans is an Independent Psychometitor and Administrator of the Glia Society, and Administrator of the Giga Society. He discusses: creation of the Glia Society; the 99.9th-percentile; cognitive rarity in the general population does one begin to observe true thinking about a subject matter; what passes for ‘thinking’ in the general population; the Glia Society “nerve-centred” in Europe; the Administrator’s cognitive rarity; Glia Society “has several hundred members”; other names or titles brainstormed in the earlier stages of development of the Glia Society; the journal Thoth; the tasks performed by the “founder and other members”; and the growth trajectory of the Glia Society since its inception.
Keywords: 99.9th-percentile, Europe, Glia Society, membership, Paul Cooijmans.
Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Introduction to the Glia Society: Administrator, Glia Society (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: This interview will focus on the Glia Society. Several years ago, we focused on the Giga Society. You administrate for the Giga Society. You administrate for the Glia Society. Why create the Glia Society as “an international internet-based organization for friendly contact between intelligent individuals”? (Cooijmans, n.d.a) That is to say, is there a deeper reason than the noble and admirable aim of looking to construct a digitally-based community of intelligent people?
Paul Cooijmans[1],[2]*: First, I must say that it was not the aim to construct a digitally-based community. In 1997, I did not have an Internet connection, and all communication regarding and within the Glia Society was conducted via regular correspondence. I did not have an electronic computer either but used a typewriter, and the first three issues of the journal Thoth were produced on that typewriter. From the fourth issue onward, I used an old computer with M.S. DOS and WordPerfect 5.1 that someone gave me, and an old dot-matrix printer, but still had no Internet. Only in January 2001, I bought a modern computer and got Internet access, and that was the first time I used the Internet and electronic mail. Around midnight of the day on which I got Internet access, I had a web site online, and from that moment on, the Glia Society had an online existence (it had been advertised online by a few friends of mine in the years before already though).
Now to the actual question as to the deeper reason, it was so that I was not fully satisfied with the existing I.Q. societies that I knew at the time. The two main problems I saw were (1) the limited freedom of speech, the censorship, the editorial changes and vicious manipulations, in short the lack of fora for verbatim communication and publication, and (2) the too permissive admissions policies of societies, which were, in my perception, selecting below their proclaimed level, partly on purpose, partly through incompetence in psychometrics. I wanted to do better on both accounts; so, to select truly at the nominal level, and to allow uncensored communication and publication. In my view, I have succeeded, although only a limited audience can appreciate that. The truth seems to be that many people really like censorship and curtailed freedom of speech, and that many people like loose and permissive admissions policies. Such people find the Glia Society too strict and rigid, and really believe that anyone interested should be able to join an I.Q. society and feel intelligent or “gifted” in one’s own way. Some of those people are secretly against selecting by I.Q. altogether, and only join I.Q. societies to keep an eye on what is going on, or to destroy them from the inside, like a kind of moles or wolves in sheep’s clothes.
A consequence of the absolute freedom of speech and absence of censorship, combined with the strictly intelligence-based and otherwise non-discriminatory admission policy, is that the “moles” just referred to are able to join and wreak havoc on the society’s communication fora from time to time. Some highly intelligent people have this anti-intelligence attitude, and join purposely to cause trouble, for instance by passive-aggressively sabotaging discussions and conversations that bona fide members are trying to have. Due to its very open nature, the Glia Society is vulnerable to such abuse. On the whole though, my experience is that a strict admission policy and absolute freedom of speech result in a surprisingly diverse membership and that this is appreciated by people who are not afraid of differences.
Jacobsen: Why focus on the 99.9th-percentile?
Cooijmans: My considerations were that actually the 99.5th centile in intelligence, according to my experience with testing and communicating with people of whom I knew the scores, would suffice for the group I had in mind. However, I was anticipating the inflation that inevitably occurs when people take many tests purposely to qualify. Due to the imperfect correlations between tests, a person’s scores are always spread around one’s true level, with some scores above and some below it, and the more tests a person takes, the wider the range of scores (do notice that a widening of the range is not the same as a rise of scores on the whole). This is true for any kind of measurement, not just I.Q. testing. Also, others told me that a cut-off like 99.5 was so unusual that it would confuse people. 99.9 was more common.
So it became 99.9. Soon I discovered that homogeneous (one-sided) tests were letting through apparently unqualified candidates, and for that reason I put the pass level for such tests at 99.99 for some years, which worked well, except that people did not understand the reason for it and mistook it for having “two classes of membership”. Eventually, I decided to set it at 99.9 again, but require qualifying scores on each of two homogeneous tests of different contents types (or on one heterogeneous test, of course). This latter system works excellently.
It has astounded me for many years that most other I.Q. societies do not treat homogeneous tests appropriately, and are thus selecting well below their intended level (for this and for several other reasons, which I will not name because the answer becomes too long then).
Jacobsen: What cognitive rarity in the general population does one begin to observe true thinking about a subject matter?
Cooijmans: I believe that occurs at about the level of 1 in 200 in general intelligence. To avoid misunderstanding, and strictly speaking, it is necessary to specify here that meant is the most intelligent 1 in 200, not the least intelligent 1 in 200; after all, with only the first sentence of this answer given, the latter interpretation would also be possible.
Jacobsen: What passes for ‘thinking’ in the general population, where this ‘thinking’ appears more as thought-ing?
Cooijmans: I do not know what thought-ing is, but for instance the mere possession or even availability of knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. Sometimes you hear the possibility mentioned of connecting the human brain to a computer so that “all the knowledge in the world” will be instantly available, and this is then spoken of in terms like “then we will all be geniuses”, as if there will be no more differences in intelligence left. But of course, the difference between, say, someone of I.Q. 70 and someone of I.Q. 140 will not change the slightest bit when both come to possess all the knowledge in the world; the person with the higher I.Q. will be better able to use that knowledge. One’s intelligence level is not altered by the amount of knowledge available to one; nor by one’s amount of education, for that matter (the notion that an academic style of working and having an academic title guarantee the ability to “think” may also be an example).
Something similar can be said about improving one’s I.Q. test scores by fraud or practising; some think that their intelligence truly becomes higher that way, but the gains are hollow with regard to thinking.
Another example of confusing an activity with “thinking” that is not thinking is “brainstorming”, and really any form of conferencing, be it in person or by video or telephone. When I was working as a programmer for a company in the summer of 2007, a colleague insisted on meeting me to discuss the project we were working on. He collected me by car in the morning and took me to his house. There I sat the entire day, with him rambling uninterruptedly about anything that occurred to him. I could not get a word in edgeways, in fact he only stopped speaking to swallow the odd pill now and then; Ritalin, one presumes. It was a fully wasted day work-wise for both of us, but he did not seem to notice that, and was even flabbergasted when I asked him to drive me home early in the evening; he had probably hoped to keep “working” like that all night!
The next morning he was again standing at my front door ringing the bell; but we had not agreed on another meeting, so I did not answer and hid in the kitchen until he had gone, thus preventing one more wasted day. Half an hour later an electronic mail message from him arrived. It was empty. For reasons like this I believe that companies could work much more efficiently by honouring the principle of “talking is not work” and thus prohibiting any talk-meetings during paid work hours. Extraverted people may not like this, but boy will it increase productivity!
Jacobsen: Why have the Glia Society “nerve-centred” in Europe? (Cooijmans, n.d.b)
Cooijmans: Because I am living in Europe, and because there was no higher-I.Q. society based in Europe yet at the time (1997). They were all in the United States I think, so “nerve-centred in Europe” was what one calls a “unique selling point”. In this context I should mention that I have also claimed to have introduced the concepts of high-range testing and higher-I.Q. societies to Europe; it is hard to show with certainty that this is fully true, but no one has contradicted it in almost a quarter of a century.
Jacobsen: Where does the Administrator’s cognitive rarity lie, whether a singular number or a range? Does this provide the Administrator the basis for reasonable grounds for the administration of hundreds in the Glia Society?
Cooijmans: To my utmost regret, it would undermine my credibility to claim that I possess a specific intelligence level in the high range, when my scientific quest is to find out whether or not it is possible at all to measure intelligence in that range. It is so that in the 1990s I took a number of intelligence tests used by mainstream psychology, including the hardest ones available at the time in my country (the Drenth test series) but also the W.A.I.S. and more, and my scores were the highest that were possible according to the norm tables, with raw scores that were (much) higher than what was needed for those highest norms. I was told that it was impossible to measure intelligence meaningfully in the range beyond the highest norms. I took this as an inducement to start my high-range test project.
No intelligence level provides grounds for the administration of hundreds in a society; in order to be able to do that, one needs other personality traits next to high intelligence, in particular in the realm of conscientiousness. Perhaps a certain “je ne sais quoi” will help too (but I do not know what).
Jacobsen: The Glia Society “has several hundred members in more than thirty countries on five continents, the lion’s share residing in Europe and North America…” (Cooijmans, n.d.b) Surprisingly, there exist fewer than 10 in the Netherlands. (Ibid.)
Cooijmans: This is not a question. I will therefore assume that the intended question has accidentally fallen off and read something like, “How on Earth is it possible that there exist so few members in the Netherlands, considering the fact that the society’s founder and Administrator is a Netherlander, and one of the most interesting and brilliant ones at that? One would expect every intelligent inhabitant of the low countries to jump at the chance of joining the society under these tantalizing conditions!”
Well, that is an excellent question, and I could scarcely have formulated it better myself. The fact of the matter is that my country is suffering to an extreme degree under the ideological terror of cultural Marxism, and for several generations now the public has been indoctrinated from childhood on with notions like “intelligence is not important or valuable in itself”, “we do not even know what intelligence is, let alone that we could measure it”, and “all individuals have the same inborn potential and any observed differences result solely from social-environmental influences”. With such fallacies so deeply ingrained in the collective mind, I.Q. societies and I.Q. tests are not enjoying much positive interest. Popular sayings in the Netherlands include “Act normally, then you are already acting crazy enough”, and “No one is allowed to stick out above the mowing field”. Also, a prophet is never honoured in one’s own town.
A sublime illumination of the anti-intellectual nature of current Marxist radicalism was the proposal, one or two years ago, to abolish “het”, one of the two definite articles in Netherlandic. Words need “de” or “het” in front of them, depending on their linguistic sex. Immigrants often get it wrong and say “de” where “het” is required. So, the use of “het” by native Netherlanders is “racist” because it makes immigrants feel stupid, according to these activists, and we should stop using the word altogether. Such ideas are fully serious, and if you as much as bat an eye, this reveals you to be a “racist”.
There is little interest in what I do from people in the Netherlands, and reactions have sometimes been acidic, like “Testing and selecting is where the dividing of people starts!” (the implication being that where it ends is in the gas chambers). I have been studying this anti-test attitude on and off over the years, and suspect it is rooted in the following circumstances: (1) The Netherlands has been very open to immigration for a number of centuries, and as a result has been extensively occupied by a caste of people who have undermined the nation from within; (2) The Netherlands has been deeply involved in worldwide trade for centuries and entertains a huge export surplus, so has a business interest in not emphasizing or ignoring group differences, such as in intelligence; (3) The Netherlands has been involved in the Second World War, and the “never again” reflex to that is so strong that anything or anyone that can be even remotely connected to the Nazis is fair game and can be attacked with all ethical constraints dropped. For instance, in 2002 when a right-wing politician was heading to win the elections, his political opponents and the media openly compared him and his ideas to Nazism, and a far-left activist shot him dead a few days before the elections. The murderer received a nominal sentence of eighteen years but was released after a mere twelve years and is now completely free, despite never having regretted his deed and consistently having violated the conditions of his release.
Jacobsen: The Glia Society was entitled as such because the glia “is a type of brain cell — the glia, glial, or neuroglia cell — that in various ways supports and feeds the neurons. Einstein had many more glia cells per neuron than has the average person. Members are analogous to neurons. The Glia Society is a worldwide network of linked brains; a hyper-brain. What were other names or titles brainstormed in the earlier stages of development of the Glia Society if any? Why those names in particular?
Cooijmans: A variant proposed by someone was “Glial Society”, which supposedly sounded better. Another potential name that did not make it – to my disappointment because I liked it a lot – is one I can not name, for reasons I can not name. If you pay good attention you may come across it on occasion though.
Jacobsen: Why name the journal Thoth? The members, one assumes, are alive.
Cooijmans: Thoth, the Egyptian god, is one of the earliest entities in history to be connected to intellectual matters like science, wisdom, writing, art, magic and so on. He is credited with the invention of writing, mathematics, astronomy, and much more. To find an earlier intellectual, one might need to go back to the days of Atlantis, but I did not think of that at the time.
Jacobsen: What are the tasks performed by the “founder and other members”? (Ibid.) Do those “other members” have roles? (Ibid.)
Cooijmans: These tasks include the making of the journal, the admission of members and keeping of the membership list, the administration of communication fora and admission of members thereto, the verifying whether there are non-members on the fora, the keeping of a list of accepted tests, making and maintaining the public web location, and so on. Other members than the founder have done things like creating and administrating communication fora, making the journal, verifying whether there are non-members on the fora, designing the logo, and serving as Ombudsman.
In this context it may be interesting to note that online communication fora tend to get infested with non-members if one does not regularly clean them up. A requirement that has to be made is that a member’s profile on a forum must be able to be connected to the member’s entry in the society’s member list. Some can or will not understand this, and use anonymous or pseudonymous profiles on fora. When confronted with this by the forum inspector, they may not-understandingly respond like, “But you know me! I am [this or that person]!” But of course, such incidental self-identification when confronted does not help; it must be possible for any member to identify any forum profile by comparing it to the official member list.
Jacobsen: What has been the growth trajectory of the Glia Society since its inception?
Cooijmans: Below is a list of numbers of members that joined per year. One should keep in mind that the society went online in 2001. From 2008 on, the admission policy was tightened by requiring either a qualifying score on a heterogeneous test (with at least two different problem types) or two qualifying scores on two homogeneous (one-sided) tests with different contents types.
1997 5
1998 8
1999 17
2000 19
2001 41
2002 39
2003 31
2004 33
2005 32
2006 24
2007 40
2008 14
2009 14
2010 13
2011 14
2012 6
2013 11
2014 15
2015 20
2016 16
2017 13
2018 13
2019 17
2020 9 (until 29 July)
Year unknown 23
References
Cooijmans, P. (n.d.a). The Glia Society: General Information. Retrieved from http://gliasociety.org/general_information.html.
Cooijmans, P. (n.d.a). The Glia Society: The World-wide Hyperbrain. Retrieved from http://gliasociety.org/.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Administrator, Giga Society; Administrator, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Introduction to the Glia Society: Administrator, Glia Society (1)[Online].September 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 1). Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Introduction to the Glia Society: Administrator, Glia Society (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Introduction to the Glia Society: Administrator, Glia Society (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Introduction to the Glia Society: Administrator, Glia Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Introduction to the Glia Society: Administrator, Glia Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Introduction to the Glia Society: Administrator, Glia Society (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Introduction to the Glia Society: Administrator, Glia Society (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Introduction to the Glia Society: Administrator, Glia Society (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Paul Cooijmans on Introduction to the Glia Society: Administrator, Glia Society (1)[Internet]. (2020, September 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.E, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,397
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dr. Herb Silverman is the Founder of the Secular Coalition for America, the Founder of the Secular Humanists of the Lowcountry, and the Founder of the Atheist/Humanist Alliance student group at the College of Charleston. He authored Complex variables (1975), Candidate Without a Prayer: An Autobiography of a Jewish Atheist in the Bible Belt (2012) and An Atheist Stranger in a Strange Religious Land: Selected Writings from the Bible Belt (2017). He co-authored The Fundamentals of Extremism: The Christian Right in America (2003) with Kimberley Blaker and Edward S. Buckner, Complex Variables with Applications (2007) with Saminathan Ponnusamy, and Short Reflections on Secularism (2019), Short Reflections on American Secularism’s History and Philosophy (2020), and Short Reflections on Age and Youth (2020). He discusses: Humanist Manifesto I; freedom of speech; religious humanism; consistent parts over time; and freedom of speech or freedom of expression.
Keywords: freedom of expression, freedom of speech, Herb Silverman, Humanism, Humanist Manifesto I.
Free of Charge 3 – “Humanist Manifesto I” and the Path of Freethought
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: The original documentation of the humanist movements began with the Humanist Manifesto I from 1933 with an opening descriptive quotation by Raymond B. Bragg:
The Manifesto is a product of many minds. It was designed to represent a developing point of view, not a new creed. The individuals whose signatures appear would, had they been writing individual statements, have stated the propositions in differing terms. The importance of the document is that more than thirty men have come to general agreement on matters of final concern and that these men are undoubtedly representative of a large number who are forging a new philosophy out of the materials of the modern world. (American Humanist Association, 1933)
The obvious values delineated within an evolutionary perspective on a worldview, a collective effort for this worldview as presented, the bias of the times inherent in the language of “men,” while working against or in contradistinction to the views of the past or old philosophies with its replacement in this “new philosophy out of the materials of the modern world.” In much of the old world, religion reigned supreme; critics, doubters, unbelievers, and dissenters were shunned, banished, and killed. In this “new philosophy,” these “critics, doubters, unbelievers, and dissenters”[1] came together as “men” to ‘forge a new philosophy.’ In review of the fundamental tenets proposed in the outdated and historical document, the formal foundations of modern or American Humanism, i.e., “religious humanism,”[2] none of the speak to freedom of speech, free speech, free expression, or freedom of expression. In turn, they focus more on the proposition of a paradigm shift into a continual evolution paradigm in which change becomes inevitable without dogma and an emphasis on Humanism as a religious philosophy bound to a natural self-existent armature entitled “the Universe.” First question, why was freedom of expression[3] in general not emphasized at the time?
Dr. Herb Silverman[1],[2]: To me, freedom of expression must include freedom of speech, as well as freedom of the press and the right to peaceably assemble. So my answer to this question will include my answer to your second question about freedom of speech.
Perhaps freedom of expression was assumed because it is included in the First Amendment to the U. S. Constitution. Humanist Manifesto I (1933) is so-called because it was the first attempt to describe a formal humanist philosophy without any gods. The writers knew there would be additional manifestos as we increased our knowledge and cultural attitudes changed. The document speaks of social justice and scientific optimism. It refers to “socialized and cooperative economic order” and “equitable distribution of the means of life.” Though it wasn’t explicit, it seemed to favor socialism. There was no mention of racism, sexism, minority rights, or environmentalism.
Humanist Manifesto II (1973) promotes democracy, civil liberties, human freedoms, separation of church and state, and elimination of discrimination based on race, religion, sex, age, or national origin. It also refers to ecological damage and overpopulation.
I was on the American Humanist Association Board in 2003 when we approved Humanist Manifesto III. We defined Humanism as a progressive philosophy of life that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity. (I hoped to get “atheism” into the definition, but had to be satisfied by “without supernaturalism.”) This document also says that humanists are guided by reason and inspired by compassion. It adds that humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change and that ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience.
Jacobsen: Second question, why was freedom of speech[4], in particular, excluded, too?
Silverman: See answer above.
Jacobsen: What did this document provide for the foundations of modern Humanism through its “religious humanism”?
Silverman: “Religious Humanism” was an integral part of Humanist Manifesto I. The phrase is still used today by some freethinkers, though it is not without controversy. Ethical Culture societies as well as many Unitarian Universalist congregations describe themselves as religious humanists. There seems to be no difference in worldviews between secular humanists and religious humanists. Secular humanists see their worldview as a philosophy, while religious humanists see it as a religion.
But that depends on your definition of religion. Secular humanists think of religion as theistic. Religious humanists say that religion is that which serves the personal and social needs of a group of people sharing the same philosophical worldview. They say religious humanism offers a basis for moral values, an inspiring set of ideals, methods for dealing with life’s harsher realities, a rationale for living life joyously, and an overall sense of purpose.
When I first became a board member of the American Humanist Association, I discovered it called itself religious, for tax advantages, I argued for abandoning its religious designation, and it eventually did. One of its affiliates to which I belong, Humanist Society, is religious, because that helps members in some states be allowed to perform weddings. I am a humanist celebrant who, in South Carolina, has performed several weddings, none of which were religious.
Jacobsen: What parts have the humanist movements kept as consistent parts over time because of the value of the principles?
Silverman: The movements have always had an evolutionary, atheistic worldview, though often with different terminology. What I said about Humanist Manifesto III in my first answer is a summary of what I think has always been the essence of humanism. We defined Humanism as a progressive philosophy of life that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.
Jacobsen: Do freedom of speech or freedom of expression seem like fundamentally humanist values?
Silverman: They are fundamental humanist values, as well as fundamental values in any democratic society.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Dr. Silverman.
Silverman: Thank you.
References
American Humanist Association. (1933). Humanist Manifesto I. Retrieved from https://americanhumanist.org/what-is-humanism/manifesto1/.
Cornell Law School. (n.d.). First Amendment. Retrieved from https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Secular Coalition for America.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-3; Full Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
[3] In this context, a “Member State” refers to a nation, country, or state with approved and formal status within the United Nations.
[3] The signatories to the Humanist Manifesto I (1933) as follows:
J.A.C. Fagginger Auer—Parkman Professor of Church History and Theology, Harvard University; Professor of Church History, Tufts College.
E. Burdette Backus—Unitarian Minister.
Harry Elmer Barnes—General Editorial Department, ScrippsHoward Newspapers.
L.M. Birkhead—The Liberal Center, Kansas City, Missouri.
Raymond B. Bragg—Secretary, Western Unitarian Conference.
Edwin Arthur Burtt—Professor of Philosophy, Sage School of Philosophy, Cornell University.
Ernest Caldecott—Minister, First Unitarian Church, Los Angeles, California.
A.J. Carlson—Professor of Physiology, University of Chicago.
John Dewey—Columbia University.
Albert C. Dieffenbach—Formerly Editor of The Christian Register.
John H. Dietrich—Minister, First Unitarian Society, Minneapolis.
Bernard Fantus—Professor of Therapeutics, College of Medicine, University of Illinois.
William Floyd—Editor of The Arbitrator, New York City.
F.H. Hankins—Professor of Economics and Sociology, Smith College.
A. Eustace Haydon—Professor of History of Religions, University of Chicago.
Llewellyn Jones—Literary critic and author.
Robert Morss Lovett—Editor, The New Republic; Professor of English, University of Chicago.
Harold P Marley—Minister, The Fellowship of Liberal Religion, Ann Arbor, Michigan.
R. Lester Mondale—Minister, Unitarian Church, Evanston, Illinois.
Charles Francis Potter—Leader and Founder, the First Humanist Society of New York, Inc.
John Herman Randall, Jr.—Department of Philosophy, Columbia University.
Curtis W. Reese—Dean, Abraham Lincoln Center, Chicago.
Oliver L. Reiser—Associate Professor of Philosophy, University of Pittsburgh.
Roy Wood Sellars—Professor of Philosophy, University of Michigan.
Clinton Lee Scott—Minister, Universalist Church, Peoria, Illinois.
Maynard Shipley—President, The Science League of America.
W. Frank Swift—Director, Boston Ethical Society.
V.T. Thayer—Educational Director, Ethical Culture Schools.
Eldred C. Vanderlaan—Leader of the Free Fellowship, Berkeley, California.
Joseph Walker—Attorney, Boston, Massachusetts.
Jacob J. Weinstein—Rabbi; Advisor to Jewish Students, Columbia University.
Frank S.C. Wicks—All Souls Unitarian Church, Indianapolis.
David Rhys Williams—Minister, Unitarian Church, Rochester, New York.
Edwin H. Wilson—Managing Editor, The New Humanist, Chicago, Illinois; Minister, Third Unitarian Church, Chicago, Illinois.
See American Humanist Association (1933).
[4] Ibid.
[5] In international rights, in Canadian law and the constitution, in regional rights stipulations, in the European Union, in the U.K., and in many other nation-states, the rights stipulations continually reference the right to “freedom of expression” as opposed to the more particular “freedom of speech.” The Americans emphasize “freedom of speech”; whereas, most others place more import on the generic and general “freedom of expression.”
[6] See Cornell Law School (n.d.).
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Free
of Charge 3 – “Humanist Manifesto I” and the Path of Freethought
[Online].September 2020; 24(E). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-3.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition,
2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 1). Free of
Charge 3 – “Humanist Manifesto I” and the Path of Freethought. Retrieved
from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-3.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN,
S. Free of Charge 3 – “Humanist Manifesto I” and the Path of
Freethought. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal.
24.E, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-3>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen,
Scott. 2020. “Free of Charge 3 – “Humanist Manifesto I” and the Path of
Freethought.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based
Journal. 24.E http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-3.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen,
Scott “Free of Charge 3 – “Humanist Manifesto I” and the Path of
Freethought.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.E.
(September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-3.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Free of Charge 3 – “Humanist
Manifesto I” and the Path of Freethought‘, In-Sight: Independent
Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.E. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-3>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Free of
Charge 3 – “Humanist Manifesto I” and the Path of Freethought‘, In-Sight:
Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.E., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-3.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition,
2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Free of Charge 3 – “Humanist
Manifesto I” and the Path of Freethought.” In-Sight: Independent
Interview-Based Journal 24.E (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-3>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Free of Charge 3
– “Humanist Manifesto I” and the Path of Freethought [Internet].
(2020, September 24(E). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/free-of-charge-3.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 25.A, Idea: Land of Fire and Ice: Islandia, Snelandia, and Insula Gardari (1)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 962
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Emily is the International Officer in the Stúdentaráð – Háskóli Íslands at the University of Iceland. She discusses: personal background or story; individual narrative lead into becoming a part of the University of Iceland; the position of the International Officer at the Stúdentaráð Háskóla Íslands; tasks and responsibilities; prospective international students; and the primary and secondary further information important for attending the University of Iceland.
Keywords: Emily, International Officer, Stúdentaráð – Háskóli Íslands, University of Iceland.
Conversation with Emily on Postsecondary Education in Iceland: International Officer, Stúdentaráð – Háskóli Íslands, University of Iceland (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What is the personal background or story for you?
Emily[1],[2]: I am half Icelandic and half German, but grew up in Sweden. In Sweden I attended the German International School, which quickly gave me insight into the importance of international work and friendships. After graduating, I moved to the Netherlands and took the first year of the Bachelor program Liberal Arts and Sciences. From there I moved to Berlin to work and take some time off school / university to find out which academic field interested me the most.
Jacobsen: How did this individual narrative lead into becoming a part of the University of Iceland?
Emily: The University of Iceland was not my first choice. Even though I had spent most summers of my childhood in Iceland, I never thought I’d move here full-time. In the summer of 2013, I started working as a tour guide in Iceland and did this every summer thereafter. I decided to study psychology in 2017 and got accepted to the VU Amsterdam. I went back to Berlin after spending my summer in Iceland working, to pack my things and get on a train to Amsterdam. Even though this decision seemed appealing, my gut feeling told me to go back to Iceland. So I called the course registration office, luckily I had already applied but never accepted my study offer, and asked if they’d still have me – one week before courses started. They told me yes, given that I’d show up in person by the end of the week to enroll and pay my tuition. Long story short: by the end of the week I had cancelled my plans to go to Amsterdam, booked a Friday flight back to Iceland and was sprinting into the admissions office two minutes before closing. Today, I am very glad I had a change of heart and came to Iceland!
Jacobsen: How did you earn the position of the International Officer at the Stúdentaráð Háskóla Íslands?
Emily: During my three-year program in psychology at the University of Iceland, I was active in my student association and was thereby introduced to student politics. By the end of my studies I applied to the position of the International Officer of the Student Council. Being half Icelandic, but at the same time sort of belonging to the group of international students, I have gained insight into both “worlds” within the university and know some of the challenges that students from other countries might face during their studies. Also, having been an international student at the University of Tilburg in the Netherlands is a great source of inspiration for, for example, the development of the mentor system at the University of Iceland.
Jacobsen: Now, within the remit of the International Officer station at the Stúdentaráð Háskóla Íslands, what tasks and responsibilities come with the position?
Emily: The International Officer of the Student Council acts as a contact person for all international students, both exchange students and those who have moved to Iceland, as well as students of the University of Iceland applying as mentors for exchange students. The International Officer oversees the International Committee, that consists of students of the university, and works closely with the International Office. Together, they organize many events for international students and help them become a part of Icelandic student life. The International Officer also ensures that the rights of foreign students are taken into regard both by the university and the student community.
Jacobsen: As prospective international students look to the University of Iceland, what should they primarily keep in mind about Icelandic culture and attending the university? Even things like demographics, for example, there are only a few hundred Canadians registered in all of Iceland based on the census data.
Emily: The University of Iceland is attracting more and more international students each year, creating a big community of curious travelers who explore the island together. However, due to language barriers, it is sometimes tricky to mix them with the larger group of local students, as some courses are only available in Icelandic. Since the increasing group of international students is quite new to the University of Iceland, it is still adapting to this growing group of international students and will add more courses in English over time. Only last week, the University of Iceland alongside its eight partner universities of the AURORA alliance, have been granted financial aid from the European Commission, which will promote the internationalization at home, as well as mobility of AURORA university students. The University of Iceland has been an active member of the AURORA network, advocating sustainability and research, diversity, inclusion, and societal engagement.
But coming back to international students who are new to the University of Iceland, the advice that I give everyone coming to Iceland is: give it time. Both Icelandic words and friends will come naturally, and you’ll be surprised how many cozy events are happening during the cold and dark winter days.
Jacobsen: Where can students find the primary and secondary further information important for attending the University of Iceland?
Emily: Both https://english.hi.is/ and http://student.is/node/142 are great sources of information for all students of the university. Otherwise, I recommend liking facebook pages, such as Háskóli Íslands, Stúdentaráð Háskóla Íslands, and International Student Life at the University of Iceland, as well as joining resembling facebook groups.
All international students will also have the opportunity to apply for a mentor, which will help them integrate in the local student community. There will be 1-2 mentors of the University of Iceland overseeing groups of 5-8 international students, which is a great start to finding friends at the university. And I definitely recommend taking part in all activities during the Orientation Days at the beginning of the semester!
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] International Officer, Stúdentaráð – Háskóli Íslands, University of Iceland.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shi-1; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Emily on Postsecondary Education in Iceland: International Officer, Stúdentaráð – Háskóli Íslands, University of Iceland (1)[Online].September 2020; 25(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shi-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 1). Conversation with Emily on Postsecondary Education in Iceland: International Officer, Stúdentaráð – Háskóli Íslands, University of Iceland (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shi-1http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shi-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Emily on Postsecondary Education in Iceland: International Officer, Stúdentaráð – Háskóli Íslands, University of Iceland (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shi-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Emily on Postsecondary Education in Iceland: International Officer, Stúdentaráð – Háskóli Íslands, University of Iceland (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shi-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Emily on Postsecondary Education in Iceland: International Officer, Stúdentaráð – Háskóli Íslands, University of Iceland (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 25.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shi-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Emily on Postsecondary Education in Iceland: International Officer, Stúdentaráð – Háskóli Íslands, University of Iceland (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shi-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Emily on Postsecondary Education in Iceland: International Officer, Stúdentaráð – Háskóli Íslands, University of Iceland (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 25.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shi-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Emily on Postsecondary Education in Iceland: International Officer, Stúdentaráð – Háskóli Íslands, University of Iceland (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 25.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/cooijmans-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Emily on Postsecondary Education in Iceland: International Officer, Stúdentaráð – Háskóli Íslands, University of Iceland (1)[Internet]. (2020, September 25(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shi-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,585
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) is a Member of the Mega Society based on a qualifying score on the Mega Test (before 1995) prior to the compromise of the Mega Test and Co-Editor of Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society. In self-description, May states: “Not even forgotten in the cosmic microwave background (CMB), I’m an Amish yuppie, born near the rarified regions of Laputa, then and often, above suburban Boston. I’ve done occasional consulting and frequent Sisyphean shlepping. Kafka and Munch have been my therapists and allies. Occasionally I’ve strived to descend from the mists to attain the mythic orientation known as having one’s feet upon the Earth. An ailurophile and a cerebrotonic ectomorph, I write for beings which do not, and never will, exist — writings for no one. I’ve been awarded an M.A. degree, mirabile dictu, in the humanities/philosophy, and U.S. patent for a board game of possible interest to extraterrestrials. I’m a member of the Mega Society, the Omega Society and formerly of Mensa. I’m the founder of the Exa Society, the transfinite Aleph-3 Society and of the renowned Laputans Manqué. I’m a biographee in Who’s Who in the Brane World. My interests include the realization of the idea of humans as incomplete beings with the capacity to complete their own evolution by effecting a change in their being and consciousness. In a moment of presence to myself in inner silence, when I see Richard May’s non-being, ‘I’ am. You can meet me if you go to an empty room.” Some other resources include Stains Upon the Silence: something for no one, McGinnis Genealogy of Crown Point, New York: Hiram Porter McGinnis, Swines List, Solipsist Soliloquies, Board Game, Lulu blog, Memoir of a Non-Irish Non-Jew, and May-Tzu’s posterous. He discusses: growing up; a sense of an extended self; family background; the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences and educational certifications; the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; some social and political views; the God concept; science; some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: general background, generic views, IQ, Mega Society, Richard May.
Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Some General Background and Generic Views: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (1)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Richard May[1],[2]*: Mother said that she was an orphan and “didn’t know who her parents were.” But she knew her mother’s sister. It was all very coherent and logical. Once she said her father was a minister. I listened in silence. Once she said we were Danish, after talking to her brother on the phone. Danish had been substituted for Irish, I’m sure. I never interrogated Mother, naively preferring a passive psychoanalytic or Rogerian approach.
Father said his grandfather, who “looked very Jewish and wore a yarmulke in his jewelry business, fooled the Jews, by pretending to be a Jew.” However, we were the Jews we ‘fooled’ on father’s side of the family. “Truth is the safest lie,” is a Yiddish proverb. There were no true family stories of interest. The lies of otherwise honest parents inspired me to research my background.
Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
May: No, belatedly at age 53 finding the hidden truth provided a sense of family legacy.
Jacobsen: What was family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
May: Mother was from Northern New York. Father was from Boston, Mass. We spoke English, which was not unusual in those areas at the time. There was not much religion at home. Nothing to rebel against. A children’s book on “Jesus,” when I was very young. An angel candle to protect me from goblins coming down the chimney at night. There was a little lip service to God now and then. We usually said grace before Sunday dinner.
I’ve only gone to church about five times in my life, all during childhood only. Father’s originally Jewish side had become Unitarian, I guess. Mother seemed to think she was some sort of Protestant, alternating in a quantum fashion between Episcopal and Baptist. I correctly perceived this as not even farcical. At one point as a young child I told Mother that I did not believe in church. She cried.
Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
May: I had a crush on a girl in the first grade. She liked my art work. It may have been o.k. till puberty. I was always chosen last along with a slightly retarded epileptic for sports teams in high school gym class. I was somewhat proud of this distinction. Guess I didn’t fit in. Almost didn’t graduate from high school and then university because of gym requirements.
Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
May: Maybe the purpose of intelligence tests is to attempt to measure intelligence.
Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
May: Did SETI finally announce that they made a breakthrough? But SETI has never discovered me, as far as I’m aware.
Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
May: Humans are tribal and primitive even today, to varying degrees. Differences of any kind among us are often not well tolerated.
Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
May: Oh, you mean Mensa!
No?
— Archimedes, Euclid, Newton, Gauss, Einstein, and von Neumann come to mind.
Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
May: Focused hard work in an intellectual discipline(s) over many years, original insights and thinking out of the box. Also the conventions historians used in identifying geniuses in various time periods. Herman Hesse wrote that in his view many geniuses were never noticed or recognized by their contemporaries or even later.
Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
May: Sisyphean shlepping, including ID checking in a bar, with a B.S. in psychology and a M.A. in Humanities/Philosophy.
Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
May: Myths may not necessarily be false propositions to be dispelled by truths, I think. Otherwise I have no thoughts on this.
Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
I’m a political atheist with regard to ideologies and political process:
“Ideologies
Freedom, peace and prosperity are preferable to their absence or negation. Marxists say that property is theft; Libertarians say that taxation is theft. But ideologies, themselves, are theft: theft of reason; theft of truth; a secular theology of lies; paleomammalian delusions shared by the herd; 1 dimensional maps of hyperdimensional territories of phenomenal processes and individual values; attempts to depict a higher-dimensional polytope on a 1-dimensional line segment; maps far more useful to the mapmaker than the individual trying to find his way. There are no up-wingers or down-wingers; no front-wingers or back-wingers. Ideology is a bit of truth simplified to a convenient lie. — May–Tzu”
Humans are unconscious automata, as G. I. Gurdjieff stressed. In Christian language we are not redeemed, i.e., we are just too f*cked up as a species and we have a Type-O civilization. (We are probably actually less intelligent today than were the ancient Greeks.) It may be worth noting, however, that everything turns into its opposite in the relative world, including in the political arena.
“In Praise Of Stupidity
Homo sapiens is a primitive species whose primary activity is internecine tribal warfare and whose secondary activity is destruction of the ecosystem. Obviously human wisdom and compassion have not evolved as rapidly as the intelligence associated with technology and weaponry. Maybe for this reason “human stupidity” actually has survival value for our species. If the mean absolute I.Q. were 150 rather than 100, and if there were no correspondingly increased levels of wisdom and compassion, then perhaps we would have eradicated our species from the planet. Is stupidity, itself, the long awaited but unrecognized Messiah? — May-Tzu”
“There is infinite hope, but not for us.” — Franz Kafka
Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
May: There are a quite a few thoughts on the above topics are in my “Stains Upon the Silence — something for no one.” — But having thoughts is not thinking.
Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
May: To the extent that science is an apolitical approximation of truth, science is my ‘religion’ or worldview; Science not scientism. But remember the disinvitation of physics Nobel laureate Brian Josephson from a Cambridge University physics conference and the banning of Rupert Sheldrake and laser physicist Russell Targ, who did research for the C.I.A. for years, from TED Talks.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
May: I stopped taking IQ tests after the Mega Test on which I scored about 4.7+ sigma, qualifying me for the Mega Society. I took no later-developed tests after that. My score range is between mostly between 3 and 4.7 sigma.
Incidentally I make no claims about my alleged ‘high intelligence’. This is neither humility nor false humility. I was raised to be stupid.
My mother repeatedly said that I was “just like her,”odd given that she appeared to be a female. She would refer to herself as “my stupid mother” and shortly after say, “You’re just like me.” She was orphaned in a rural area and had a 10th. grade formal educational level, although she usually didn’t sound like it.
An uncle on my father’s side, who boasted of having a very high IQ score, gave me a vast dictionary- encyclopedia in my early teens. I remember avidly looking up and studying various topics for hours. Mother told me that my thirst for knowledge “was just because my brain was developing” and reassured me that I would “get over it.”
My father’s father was said to have been a professorial-sounding brilliant autodidact who had dropped out of elementary school. He was said to have read a book a day, had a extensive vocabulary and corrected people’s grammar. But Grandfather had bipolar disorder. Therefore, my father apparently associated high intelligence and erudition with ‘madness’ and disapproved of my attraction to books, where they could be found.
In short I took these tests to attempt to demonstrate something to myself, not to impress others. I don’t generally feel highly intelligent and usually assume that others are more intelligent than I am, at least until I’ve observed them.
But — in an absolute sense — how brilliant are actual human geniuses standing before the cosmos?
Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
May: My score range is mostly between about 3 and 4.7+ sigmas. My lowest score was about 2 sigmas. My friend Grady M Towers claimed that everyone has as many IQs as they have taken IQ tests. Anne Anastasi wrote that IQ is not a property of an organism, but an index of a sample of behavior.
Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
May: Buddhist ethics.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Mega Society; Co-Editor, Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-1; Full Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Some General Background and Generic Views: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (1) [Online].September 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-1.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 1). Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Some General Background and Generic Views: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (1). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-1.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Some General Background and Generic Views: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-1>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Some General Background and Generic Views: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-1.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Some General Background and Generic Views: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-1.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Some General Background and Generic Views: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-1>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Some General Background and Generic Views: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (1)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-1.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Some General Background and Generic Views: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-1>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Richard May (“May-Tzu”/”MayTzu”/”Mayzi”) on Some General Background and Generic Views: Co-Editor, “Noesis: The Journal of the Mega Society” (1) [Internet]. (2020, September 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/may-1.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 24.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Twenty)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2021
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,643
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anthony Sepulveda scored 174 (S.D.15) on Cosmic and is a member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: the art and state of IQ tests; some personal criteria; some concrete examples of intelligently run lives; some concrete examples of unintelligently run lives; some points of overlap between the intelligently and unintelligently run lives; what makes an IQ test valid and reliable, scientifically; fascination with alternative tests and the scores derived from them; concept “general intelligence”; mainstream intelligence tests; more comprehensive tests of general intelligence; the effects of average intelligence on someone’s personality; the effects of high intelligence on someone’s personality; some of the common factors found in most situations; the thought processing or reasoning through a novel situation with the common factors; what factors would a highly intelligent person see compared to a person of average intelligence; how could a highly intelligent person with megalomania or some other mental disorder make wrong decisions, waste their lives, and damage the lives of others; a psychological construct; to boost their ego; how joining the high-IQ communities help boost their professional status; have a “laughably” low number of testees; and “Cattell’s culturally fair test.”
Keywords: Anthony Sepulveda, IQ, IQ tests, World Genius Directory.
Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on the Art and State of IQ Tests: Member, World Genius Directory (5)
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Shall we talk some more about the art and state of IQ tests? Now, I don’t know if IQ tests are as much of an art anymore. Perhaps, a qualitative analysis of intelligence as subjectively perceived can provide an indication as to more comprehensive observational metrics of intelligence in real-life or real-world functioning. That’s one such thing. It’s an act of artistic work in catalogue via cognition. Something like Timothy Leary’s, “The universe is an intelligence test.” Another is working on the outputs of person to paper, which is the formal IQ test considered concept “IQ test” in most people’s minds when reflecting on concept “IQ.” Can you remark on intelligence in real-world functioning, please?
Anthony Sepulveda (Brown)[1],[2]*: From what I’ve seen, there’s very little difference between a person of average intelligence and one of high intelligence beyond the effects it can have on their personality.
Jacobsen: What are some personal criteria used in considering some actions intelligent and others not intelligent in real-world functioning to you?
Sepulveda (Brown): Broadly speaking, an act of intelligence would require you to understand the factors of an uncertain situation and use that knowledge to successfully navigate it to a desired conclusion.
Jacobsen: What are some concrete examples of intelligently run lives?
Sepulveda (Brown): The only examples that come to mind are learning from previous experience, analyzing new situations thoroughly, paying attention to important details and being more aware of the factors presently affecting you. Other examples (such as successfully achieving a goal) may seem fair enough to list, but there can be a plethora of influences (positive and negative) that could tip the scales either way and, thus, make them more a matter of luck than anything else.
Jacobsen: What are some concrete examples of unintelligently run lives?
Sepulveda (Brown): The inverse of the examples mentioned above.
Jacobsen: What, paradoxically, are some points of overlap between the intelligently and unintelligently run lives?
Sepulveda (Brown): Even the more intelligent among us have to admit, acts of stupidity are way more fun!! Life would be unbearably boring if you only take the options that are reasonable and responsible.
Jacobsen: What makes an IQ test valid and reliable, scientifically?
Sepulveda (Brown): A sufficient number of valid problems and testees from which to gather accurate statistical data. Sadly, most tests fall laughably short on both and draw outrageous conclusions from tiny sample groups (often 30 testees). Even many professionally proctored exams have issues that I argue renders them invalid.
Jacobsen: Why is there a fascination with alternative tests and the scores derived from them?
Sepulveda (Brown): It seems to me that most members of the High IQ Community joined because they wanted to boost their ego, meet others more like themselves or distinguish themselves for professional reasons. Everyone wants to feel special. By performing well on a difficult test or a variety of tests, you can legitimize that belief.
Jacobsen: What mainstream intelligence tests seem best in tapping into concept “general intelligence”?
Sepulveda (Brown): Cattell’s culturally fair test is the only one that comes to mind. But I’ve only taken a few proctored tests, so it’s possible that there are better options that I’m presently unaware of.
Jacobsen: If you could build on the decades of efforts of mainstream intelligence tests, what would be the efforts?
Sepulveda (Brown): As I mentioned earlier, I designed an IQ test of my own – X’s and O’s. The inspiration for this came after I began to examine other tests critically and found a number of issues that I believe rendered them invalid. After over a year of discussions, trial and error, I felt I had designed a sufficient number of valid problems and compiled them for use on the Opal Quest Group website.
(Special thanks to James Dorsey for being so forthcoming during that process and helping me share my work with the world.)
Jacobsen: How would you implement more comprehensive tests of general intelligence?
Sepulveda (Brown): IQ tests were originally designed with the intent of dividing students into different classes based on their performance. That way everyone could be taught at their preferred pace. This has long since fallen out of practice (excluding extreme situations, of course) and there don’t seem to be any other practical applications beyond their use in statistical studies or as a means to distinguish yourself professionally.
Jacobsen: What are some of the effects of average intelligence on someone’s personality?
Sepulveda (Brown): That is such a broad question I would have to answer it in the form of a book to do it complete justice. But the short answer is that being unable to solve problems or properly assess risks can result in poor social and economic standing, causing depression and other health risks.
Jacobsen: What are some of the effects of high intelligence on someone’s personality?
Sepulveda (Brown): Interestingly, alongside narcissism, this condition is also very likely to cause depression. Especially if you’re born into a working or lower class family where you’re constantly aware of all the problems around you, but have little means with which to solve them.
Speaking for myself, I often feel a certain existential angst that springs from a genuine desire to better the world around me but knowing that even my best efforts will likely have little to no effect in altering our collective fate and result in a life wasted stressing over vain work, I can no longer justify pursuing that desire. Instead, I try to simply enjoy what little time I have and help where I can. Because I can justify that much, at least. But I still feel a sense of urgency to perform some good work and disappointment over all this arguably wasted time.
Jacobsen: What are some of the common factors found in most situations?
Sepulveda (Brown): In very general terms, a situation can be described by the actions, interactions and reactions of the objects (nonliving material) and subjects (living material) in an area. By analyzing and understanding the functions of all the important objects and subjects in any given situation, you can use that knowledge to accomplish reasonable goals.
Jacobsen: With an example, what would be the thought processing or reasoning through a novel situation with the common factors for you?
Sepulveda (Brown): If your goal is to solve a math problem, you need to identify the symbols composing the equation, understand what each one means and how they relate to each other, then follow the order of operations necessary to bring you to a conclusion that resolves the problem.
Jacobsen: What factors would a highly intelligent person see compared to a person of average intelligence?
Sepulveda (Brown): Everyone sees the same thing (metaphorically speaking), some just understand what they see more accurately than others. If you understand something, you’re more likely to remember it longer and be able to use that information to resolve situations where it is applicable later. With this in mind, I’m not certain that there’s any significant difference in what healthy individuals with different IQs can do if they apply themselves towards the same goal.
Jacobsen: How could a highly intelligent person with megalomania or some other mental disorder make wrong decisions, waste their lives, and damage the lives of others? For example, Keith Raniere seems like one example; as has been said by others, cult leaders are narcissists who failed to garner fame and retreat to a zone of safety. An imaginary place of omnipotence, omniscience, or, simply, delusion and the power to exercise coercive narcissistic control.
Sepulveda (Brown): Any number of ways. The best example that comes to mind is Christopher Michael Langan, a well known member of the High IQ Community with a number of overzealous followers, who seems to spend a majority of his time pushing his own political, ‘scientific’ and theological beliefs on anyone willing to listen without challenging him. Luckily, he wasn’t born into a more prominent family and his influence is limited by his disagreeability.
Jacobsen: What intelligence tests do seem reliable and valid in the measure of a psychological construct?
Sepulveda (Brown): I’m not familiar enough with the concept of psychological constructs to make any recommendations.
Jacobsen: Why do they want to boost their ego?
Sepulveda (Brown): The same reason anyone would, it feels good.
Jacobsen: How would joining the high-IQ communities help boost their professional status?
Sepulveda (Brown): Some professions value intelligence in their employees more than others and would feel more inclined to utilize someone with such credentials.
Jacobsen: If most tests have a “laughably” low number of testees – “30,” and if many seek validation of this “belief,” what does this state about the high-IQ community, as such, and one sector of its general membership?
Sepulveda (Brown): Nothing good. The High IQ Community is in very poor condition at this point. Outside of Mensa, the Atlantiq Society and the personal efforts of Jeffery Ford, I’m not aware of any group putting forth any effort towards practical solutions towards real world problems. All the others seem to be more focused on the development of amateur tests with which to waste each other’s time.
Jacobsen: Why “Cattell’s culturally fair test”?
Sepulveda (Brown): Of the professionally proctored tests I’m aware of, Cattell’s is unique in that it has the lowest general knowledge requirement. This is important because knowledge is not attained in a universally linear fashion. Our understanding is limited to our experience and our ability to gain understanding from them. And as each individual undergoes a relatively unique combination of experiences, we should not prematurely judge someone who does possess certain knowledge as lesser than others. Ideally, any test used to rank individual ability would have no knowledge requirement of any kind using spatial and/or certain logic problems.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-5; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on the Art and State of IQ Tests: Member, World Genius Directory (5) [Online].September 2020; 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-5.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, September 1). Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on the Art and State of IQ Tests: Member, World Genius Directory (5). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-5.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on the Art and State of IQ Tests: Member, World Genius Directory (5). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A, September. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-5>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on the Art and State of IQ Tests: Member, World Genius Directory (5).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-5.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on the Art and State of IQ Tests: Member, World Genius Directory (5).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 24.A (September 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-5.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on the Art and State of IQ Tests: Member, World Genius Directory (5)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-5>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on the Art and State of IQ Tests: Member, World Genius Directory (5)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 24.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-5.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on the Art and State of IQ Tests: Member, World Genius Directory (5).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 24.A (2020):September. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-5>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Conversation with Anthony Sepulveda (Brown) on the Art and State of IQ Tests: Member, World Genius Directory (5) [Internet]. (2020, September 24(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-5.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 31, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,560
Keywords: Advocacy for Alleged Witches, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030, Humanism, Humanist Association of Nigeria, Leo Igwe.
Akua Denteh: How To End Witch Persecution in Ghana[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches, and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030. He is a friend, and boss at AfAW.
The news of the brutal murder of a 90-year old woman, Akua Denteh, accused of witchcraft in Kafaba, East Gonja in Northern Ghana has sent shock waves across the world. A short video that showed people gathered and watching as some women hit Akua Denteh with objects and eventually set her ablaze underscores the need for an effective advocacy against witch persecution in this West African nation. There have been condemnations of this despicable act by the government of Ghana. The president, Nana Akufo-Addo has expressed his revulsion at the awful killing of Akua Denteh. He noted that the tragic incident had disfigured Ghana. Akufo-Addo urged the police to ensure that justice was done. In his reaction, the regional minister pledged that incident would not happen again. But look, going by the reactions of Ghanaian authorities to similar incidents in the past, this pledge is a vacuous political statement and public relations exercise. Many measures need to be put in place to ensure that Akua Denteh would be the last alleged witch to be murdered in Ghana.
As often the case, whenever people murder an alleged witch, there is a public outcry. Local authorities suddenly spring into action and issue a condemnation. They vow to bring the perpetrators to justice. A few people are arrested, if at all, and prosecuted, and then the matter ends there. After a while, it is back to the business of witchcraft allegation and witch persecution as usual until another accused person is killed. This pattern has been the mode of responding to incidents of witch persecution in Ghana and other places across Africa.
For instance, when a local mob lynched Amah Hemma in Tema in 2010, there was an outrage. The police arrested the suspects. Later the same year, the stepson of Abibat Alhassan stabbed her to death in Yendi after consulting a soothsayer. There was also some public outcry and the police arrested the stepson and the soothsayer. The police later released the soothsayer but remanded the stepson.
Unfortunately, nothing has been done to dismantle the structures of witchcraft allegations, witch finding and witch persecution in Ghana.
Witchcraft accusations persist in the region, and many of the accused usually flee their communities. Chiefs regard it as part of their duty and tradition to banish alleged witches. In some cases, the chiefs are pressured by community members to expel alleged witches. Occasionally, a few chiefs use the police to resist the pressure, but they do this at so much risk to their lives and legitimacy.
Some of the accused take refuge at some shrine villages popularly known as witch camps. Sometimes alleged witches flee to the witch camps following ineffective interventions of the police, and the Commission for Human Rights and Administrative justice. These state agencies do not have structures to shelter alleged witches while processing cases of witchcraft allegations. In cases where local chiefs are in support of the allegations, state authorities find it difficult to effectively intervene. And even when they do, it is usually too late as in the case of Akua Denteh to save the victims. Witch persecution continues in Ghana because the authorities are unwilling to tackle the elephant in the room, witchcraft belief. The notion that people, especially women, could harm others through occult means is pervasive among the educated and the uneducated in Ghana. The government is reluctant to tackle witch finding and witchcraft exorcizing chiefs, priests, pastors, imams and soothsayers. For instance, people in Kafaba accused Akua Denteh of being responsible for several misfortunes in the community, and a local diviner, called Tindana or Bouiglana, confirmed her as the witch in the community.
In rural Ghana, these witch finding diviners are powerful and influential. People frequently consult them to help unravel and resolve the causes of their misfortunes. People regard them as the mouthpiece of God. The homes of these soothsayers or shrine priests are called the place of truth, and whatever they say is taken to be the truth, the indisputable truth. The people abide by that. This explains why, as seen in the video that circulated online, people in the Kafaba community came out and watched as Akua Denteh was stoned and eventually lynched. Nobody intervened. Nobody tried to save her.
Meanwhile, there is no evidence that any human being can harm others or cause misfortune through magical means. If Akua Denteh had any magical powers as her killers assumed, she could have used her powers to defend herself. She could not have allowed them to assault her as they did. Akua Denteh should have resisted and overwhelmed the lynch mob. But she didn’t because she did no such powers. Or better, she could not stop her killers because such powers did not exist.
Unfortunately, governmental and non-governmental agencies in Ghana have not invested in dispelling superstitious beliefs in witches and occult harm. There has not been any robust national effort to reorient and get Ghanaians to abandon the belief in witchcraft and embrace evidence-based explanations of misfortune. There is no program to retrain the soothsayers, shrines, and other divination experts including, pastors and mallams, and get them to stop witch finding, witch identification, and exorcism. If witchcraft is superstition and witches do not exist, then witchcraft exorcism makes no sense.
Incidentally, the approach of the government has so far been reactive, not proactive. Since witch belief is widespread and witch persecution frequently happens, the government needs to review its strategies and adopt some proactive measures. Ghana has established the Domestic Violence and Victims’ Support Unit as part of the Ghanaian Police, but the regional office in Tamale entertains very few cases on witchcraft. The police said that they needed the victims to come forward and report before they could intervene. That a complainant is needed to leads them to identify and apprehend the suspects.
Like Akua Denteh, victims of witchcraft allegations are usually elderly women who live in remote villages. They do not know where the police stations are located or cannot afford to go and lodge complaints even if they do. So the idea that police wait in their offices for alleged witches to come and report before they intervene needs to be revisited. Ghana’s Commission for Human Rights and Administrative Justice also entertains very few cases because like the police they wait for victims to come and lodge complaints before getting involved. But the death of Akua Denteh and other alleged witches in Ghana has shown that this approach is not working. Instead of waiting for alleged witches to come and lodge complaints, a combined team of the police and human rights officers should take the campaign against witch persecution to the communities. The team should embark on intensive education and enlightenment of the chiefs and their community members and get them to realize that witchcraft is a form of superstition. That witchcraft has no basis in reason, science, or in reality. The team should urge the Ghanaian public to stop scapegoating innocent women and elders in the communities for the misfortunes that they suffer. The government should sponsor public health education and science literacy programs, and get the Ghanaian public to embrace evidence-based knowledge. If the government of Ghana had adopted these measures in the past years, Akua Denteh would not have died. That incident of witch bloodletting would have been avoided or prevented. Witch persecution would have ended or at least would have been drastically reduced in Ghana. If the government and people of Ghana do not put in place effective and proactive mechanisms against witchcraft allegations and witch persecution, these horrific abuses will continue. Let the lynching of Akua Denteh serve as a wake up call to the government and people of Ghana. Let no one get back to sleep again. Let everyone remain vigilant until it is confirmed that Akua Denteh has become the last alleged witch to be murdered in Ghana.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 31, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/akua-denteh-how-to-end-witch-persecution-in-ghana.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 27, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 637
Keywords: ex-Muslim, France, Islam, outspoken, theocrats, Waleed Al-Husseini.
The Plight of Ex-Muslims with Waleed Al-Husseini[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: In the light of outspoken ex-Muslims being silenced, imprisoned, tortured, driven into exile, or murdered (not simply killed) by theocrats or the state or religious fundamentalist vigilantes, how do we support and protect them?
Waleed Al-Husseini: To support us there are many ways, listening to us, see our suffering in our country, and do not talk about Islamophobia, you see what happens to us, and we still fight and try to have our rights!
Let us talk about Islam more and more and when we talk about some issues do not say its rare! Because this is the way of thinking for the whole of the society, we need to talk about Islam and the crisis of Islam to make it accept us, supporting it, let us do without labelling, all the religions were under criticism: why not Islam?
Today, all the non-believer’s organization should support us with speaking about us and show our fight and support us within the UN and the governments by asking to stop blasphemy laws in Arabic and Islamic countries.
We need a huge collective to stop blasphemy laws, hope they will listen and try it!
Jacobsen: What laws and rights — such as the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights stating freedom of religion, freedom of belief, freedom of conscience, and freedom of expression (not simply freedom of speech) — protect ex-Muslims apart from solidarity from the international community?
Al-Husseini: No, they are not real laws for ex-Muslims. They talk about us in general. We need some laws like this. Because we lose our lives; we should have clear laws for ex-Muslims!
Jacobsen: What are some of the newer ex-Muslim organizations that need support, donations, skills, professional and activist networks, and coordination and cooperation of other non-religious organizations? The new ones without adequate resources.
Al-Husseini: We have some, and as this type of organization was started by Facebook, then when they have the members they make it and register it. That is the way. But until now we have many. We try to make collectives for all of us. One day, we will succeed.
Jacobsen: What have been some noteworthy news items about the ex-Muslim population — globally speaking — over the last 4–12 months?
Al-Husseini: We made one conference with ex-Muslims Norway. We speak about our stories and then about the dangers of Islamism in Europe!
It was a good one, especially the European situation that really is dangerous. We should find an effective way to fight Islamism, because of Islamization of society in the works!
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Waleed.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 27, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/the-plight-of-ex-muslims-with-waleed-al-husseini.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 23, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 612
Keywords: Humanist Society of Zimbabwe, Takudzwa Mazwienduna, Zimbabwe, Zimbabwean Secular Alliance.
Ask Takudzwa 7 – Humanism with a Zimbabwean Twist, and Some Lime[1],[2]
Takudzwa Mazwienduna is the informal leader of Zimbabwean Secular Alliance and a Member of the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe. This educational series will explore secularism in Zimbabwe from an organizational perspective, and more. He is a friend and former boss at the now-defunct Cornelius Press in South Africa.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: If we’re looking at the incorporation of formal humanism into Zimbabwe, what does this mean for the freethought community in Zimbabwe?
Mazwienduna: Formal humanism in Zimbabwe means we are a significant member of the Civil society included in decision making or initiatives that cross paths with secularism. We are the official enforcers of the country’s secular laws that people overlook all the time.
Jacobsen: What will be the immediate first actions of the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe?
Mazwienduna: The immediate first action is to mobilize the members since we are scattered all over the country. A meet up is to be arranged to share ideas.
Jacobsen: What will be more superficial changes to culture needed for humanism and freethought for find a proper and respected place in Zimbabwean society?
Mazwienduna: Civic awareness and respect for the rule of law is what we need the most for humanism and secularism to be established in our culture.
Jacobsen: What will be more substantive changes required for the changes needed in Zimbabwe?
Mazwienduna: We already have the law established in the constitution, what we need now is to enforce it and raise awareness for people to respect it.
Jacobsen: What, especially now, seem like implacable objects in the work for proper secularism and mutual respect of the freethinkers and the religious in Zimbabwe?
Mazwienduna: Some religious establishments might have strong ties to the government and this poses a threat to secularism. The government has a notorious record of not respecting the rule of law.
Jacobsen: Morocco, Liberia, Ghana, Nigeria, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, The Democratic Republic of the Congo, Kenya, Tanzania, Malawi, Zambia, Botswana, South Africa, and Mauritius have made strides for the freethought and the humanist communities in Africa. What examples stand out in the region now? Why them? How could their successes be replicated by the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe?
Mazwienduna: We are especially envious of South Africa. Sure the country has its race problems but the rule of law is upheld and their respect for secularism is solid. Their society is diverse and progressive as a result and if we can nurture the same levels of civic awareness and rule of law in Zimbabwe, we will get there.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Takudzwa.
Mazwienduna: It’s always a pleasure Scott.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 23, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ask-takudzwa-7-humanism-with-a-zimbabwean-twist-and-some-lime.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 4,881
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
This is an interview with an anonymous Canadian member of the high-IQ communities. He discusses: the family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences and educational certifications; some social and political views; science; some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: intelligence, IQ, The University of British Columbia.
An Interview with Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member on Family, Intelligence Testing, and Worldview (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: I was born in Ontario, Canada. My parents came from China and immigrated to Canada with little proficiency in English. My mom did not attend university, but my father received an M.Sc. Applied Physics degree at the Chinese Academy of Science, China, and is now working as a software engineer. My father has two brothers. One had received a medical degree at a university in China, and his other brother received a Ph.D. in Chemistry from the California Institute of Technology (Caltech).
2. Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Typically poor. Most of my classmates saw me as awkward. However, I have been influenced by schoolmates and peers a lot. Although I was detached continuously and struggled to fit in, there remain times where I’d miss everyone from high school and elementary. In school, the only real connection I had was the tennis team and the chess club. My relationships with teachers were often just as poor, but I had a fairly good rapport with a few teachers. I was always poverty-stricken at appreciating social cues and was quite vexatious to others. I was regularly a person who could be joked about.
3. Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: It isn’t easy to assess one’s own intelligence relative to others, but IQ tests do a good (but far from perfect) job at it. IQ is a comparative measure that is a score achieved on a test relative to a group or person. In contrast, intelligence is one’s pure learning potential and is ideally measured in absolute terms. Intelligence increases from childhood onwards but starts to decrease somewhere in early adulthood slowly.
Let me describe some problems with IQ tests, but do not destroy the usefulness of the tests. The validity of an IQ test lies in its g-loading, which you can take as an index of a mental task’s complexity. Different IQ tests differ on g-loading, hence its validity. In terms of reliability, even the best IQ test has a reliability of 0.9 when re-testing an individual. IQ tests do not only measure g, as they also measure group factors (numerical, verbal, and spatial) and test specificity. The g factor is the only predictive aspect of an IQ test, and it is possible to reduce the g-loading of a test (which would increase test specificity) and lower the validity of the test. There are also problems with the test ceiling as most tests are not designed to measure exceptional intelligence and top out at 160 (extrapolations are rare and inaccurate), or mostly below 150. The further you move away from the mean, the lower the reliability and validity.
IQ and intelligence are correlated, but not the same. Average IQ scores have been rising in the twentieth century (Flynn effect), without an increase in the general factor, which shows that IQ tests measure things that are not related to intelligence. IQ tests are indirect and imperfect measures of intelligence but are still predictive of outcomes.
It is also true that extremely intelligent people can score low on IQ tests, and not so bright individuals may score highly. IQ scores will always overestimate or underestimate someone’s intelligence. For highly intelligent people who score low, it can be explained by the fact that the tests measure things not related to intelligence, which can be affected by motivation, concentration, poor sleep, nerves, pain, and mental illness. Some of these things influence an individual for an entire lifetime but are irrelevant concerning their real intelligence. On the other hand, those who score highly on the tests might have been those who are more exposed to thinking and problem-solving in those ways, while intelligence has not increased. James Flynn believes that higher education in our society helps us think in ways that allow us to score higher on those tests. People will get better at them through practice or thinking in ways that can strengthen one’s performance on a test, despite no gain in actual intelligence.
Educational achievement is a reasonably good proxy for someone’s intelligence. However, the grades an individual achieves are heavily influenced by factors unrelated to intelligence, such as work ethic, interests, and motivation. Standardized test scores are even more trustworthy as a measure of intelligence since the problems presented are less likely to be exposed to in the classroom, but scores are still significantly affected by factors other than intelligence. IQ scores are, of course, the best proxies for psychometric g, the essence of intelligence. Even though IQ test scores are the purest measures of intelligence around, they are still far from perfect and miss out on things.
Therefore, despite all the criticisms, IQ tests are valuable because they are the best measures of intelligence (especially comprehensive tests) that correlate with performance in activities that require information processing/learning/problem-solving ability. An IQ score at age 11 correlates with an IQ score at age 18 at .6, and it should be noted that the heritability of IQ scores increase as people age. The heritability of IQ in childhood is around .4-.5, whereas the heritability in adulthood is about .7-.8 (in developed nations). Despite this, an IQ score in childhood is predictive of adult SES and future academic performance.
People like to mention Richard Feynman’s IQ score of 125 on some unknown school test, without the standard deviation and the test name. His actual intelligence relative to all adults is more likely to be 170-180 or higher. 170 (SD = 15) is almost at the 1 in a million mark, so it doesn’t matter how he scores on an IQ test. Einstein would not likely score highly on every test, but his intelligence is off the charts. The principal purpose of the IQ test is for me to get an idea of how likely it is for me to succeed in the future, but to see how my intelligence stacks up relative to others by indirect methods.
4. Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Unfortunately, too late. When I entered university, I assumed that I had merely average ability relative to other science students at a relatively elite institution. Realistically it should have been evident that I was above average given that I never cared about my school achievement, but only did it because everyone else cared (I studied about three times less than most of my peers in high school and paid little attention in class due to boredom). Although now I have come to accept that I am far above the norm. It is somewhat likely for me to be the most intelligent person on the entire campus. There were hundreds, if not millions, of signs just waiting on me to recognize that my level of intelligence was something that needed attention. Only after being administered a comprehensive IQ test that measures a wide range of cognitive skills was when I have fully come to fruition with it. I always liked to think I had a reasonably high IQ, but nothing too extreme, so I was in a bit of shock. I started looking back at my life to see what could justify extreme learning ability since I was suffering from imposter syndrome. I did not believe my current level of achievement was commensurate with the score I had achieved. Thinking deeply about my past, it seemed like I had found the solution at last.
It is challenging to self-estimate one’s IQ, but later I began to reflect on my exceptional cognitive abilities. Educational achievement is somewhat reasonable to estimate an IQ, but by itself, it only correlates at .5 with IQ scores, so there is room for much error. The correlation should rise if we consider the difficulty of one’s major and the quality of students in an institution. The average IQ at UBC is high, but most accepted individuals had very high levels of conscientiousness for schoolwork, which may overestimate their intelligence.
The average IQ of UBC STEM and philosophy graduates is likely to be around the 98th percentile, and I was sure I was above average among this group. STEM fields are complicated and more g-loaded than non-STEM fields; thus, their students’ average IQ is higher. Based on educational achievement (difficulty of major, grades, # of years, the rank of institution), I had self-estimated my IQ to be around the 99th percentile among the general population. I was confident I was above average among the STEM students, but the problem was how far above. I was a bit insecure back then (apparently almost everyone in university is, to be honest), given that I wanted to achieve the most extraordinary things but did not want to waste my time pursuing unachievable things. It is crucial for me to have a higher IQ than others because I had a poor work ethic, some mental illness, social awkwardness, and spent a lot of energy finding out what I should pursue. These facts all make it much more difficult for me to succeed.
It is impossible to know my true intelligence relative to the general unselected adult population due to the lack of validity for higher range IQs. No professional IQ test claims to measure above 160, so any individual who claims an IQ above 160 is merely just guessing. I’ll do some guessing as well.
I wanted to accomplish the most amazing things, so I needed to be world-shakingly smart. I realized I didn’t need IQ tests to confirm my intelligence. Based on academic achievement alone, I could estimate my intelligence to be about the 99th percentile of the general population. However, it is obvious that this is a far underestimate of my true intelligence relative to individuals near my age group.
If IQ tests did not exist, I realized that there was enough evidence that my intelligence was unusually higher than most. However, I was slightly insecure (like everyone is) and decided to confirm my intelligence, even though I now see myself as a fool for having to do so. In terms of grades alone, I would not be in the top 5% of my class overall. Still, there are instances where I seem to have been near the top of my class, such as in Calculus and Philosophy courses (which indicate high verbal and mathematical intelligence). For example, the average for a Calculus class may have been around the high 60s, whereas I managed to earn a grade in the high 90s. Majoring in a STEM field is a reasonable proxy for high IQ, whereas philosophy majors typically score among the highest on verbal reasoning. Being a student of both a verbal and mathematical domain indicates very high general ability. These types of individuals will almost always score highly on standardized tests such as the GRE.
A 150 IQ score (1 in 2330) indicates being the most intelligent in a high school. A 160 IQ (1 in 30,000) may mean you are among the most intelligent people in an entire school district. An individual with a true IQ of 180+ (1 in 2 million) may be among the most intelligent in a country. An individual with a 190+ true IQ (1 in several billion) would be among the world’s most intelligent.
I apologize if this sounds like bragging, but here are the most essential things (combined with high academic achievement) that indicate prodigious intelligence and have helped me make sense of everything. I don’t care about my intelligence anymore, but my future achievement should decide how extreme my intelligence truly is:
1) I self-taught myself (autodidact) various academic disciplines for two full years and spent an entire year dedicated to the subject of intelligence. I had read hundreds of books, peer-reviewed journal articles, YouTube videos, blogs, and more. If I keep going, I do believe I have a chance to make a profound contribution to science. I think I have been able to gain the amount of knowledge equivalent to an undergraduate degree in only one year.
2) At the age of 13, I had become fascinated by true crime documentaries and studied controversial, in-depth, and emotional investigations and documentaries thoroughly. My favorite shows were 48 Hours Mystery, Dateline Mystery, and Crime Scene Investigation.
3) I self-taught myself tennis without coaching from a trained professional and managed to reach a level comparable to high-level provincial level tournament players around my age (around top 50 in the province for those under 18). My parents did not encourage me to play as they are not familiar with sports at all. I started around the age of 12 and reached that level in around five years. I have never practiced with players much better than I am, nor did my parents buy me expensive tennis rackets, strings, shoes, or have the time or money to send me to a coach or participate in the most competitive tournaments. I practiced amongst recreational level adult players and amateur level players my own age at a local tennis court and then joined a tennis club at the age of 14. In club tournaments (non-ranked tournaments), I managed to beat provincial level players several times. These players not only love tennis, but they are pushed by their parents, taught by a top coach, have many friends at a high level to practice with, and have lots of necessary equipment, training, and resources. I had created my own playstyle, which helped me virtually become the best non-coached player in the world. The reason I can win matches is because of my composure, mental fortitude, my agility, and my exceptional problem-solving ability. I will likely hold my skills throughout life and continue to win awards from my tennis club. I have won various awards from my high school, but also in club tournaments and league matches for my club. I do not play much tennis now, but I should continue to be at the top of club-level tennis for the rest of my life. (held with competence).
4) I self-taught myself chess at the age of 14, and in less than six months, I had already reached a level where I could take a 2000 rated player down to endgame when I entered my first tournament. The point is, if I started early and were coached, I would have won that match easily. Since I quickly quit chess after a year of serious study, I can not know how far I could have reached.
5) I was always very good at various video games and ended up competing in one of them. I became a professional level player in a competitive video game in my teenage years. I showed signs of being a child prodigy (as others have tried to label me), which led to others encouraging me to attend tournaments. When I attended my very first tournament, I managed to win without dropping a single game. The rarity of an individual winning their first tournament is likely to occur in 1 in 10000 cases. I lived in a city where there was no one to play with, and I lived far away from tournaments; and on top of that, my parents did not support me and often looked down on me for competing in video games instead of studying. When I relocated to British Columbia for my studies, the next iteration of the game came out. I became dominant nationally very quickly despite a long hiatus. At UBC, I am the best player in the school by a longshot and likely among the best among all University students in North America. Among university players right now in North America (Canada, USA, Mexico), I would say that I am somewhere in the top 10 (I like to think I’m #1). If there are around 50000 competitive level players in North America and university simultaneously, that would mean I’m about three to four standard deviations above the mean in terms of skill. Prior to the pandemic, my results would indicate that I am somewhere in the top 15 in Canada, which would equate to being around the world’s top 100.
5. Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: The mockery of the genius is due to the fact that they are an outlier in numerous salient characteristics that portray an individual, such as one’s personality and intelligence. Ordinary people vastly outnumber brilliant people because it is a consequence of the bell curve’s nature. Too often, geniuses are treated like they have no place in this world. Besides, many geniuses have trouble understanding allegories, jokes, irony, and sarcasm. They may also have problems with conforming to unwritten social norms or recognizing social cues.
6. Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Galileo Galilei and Charles Darwin are two individuals I consider to be great geniuses who have changed the world. The greatest geniuses are those in science, but creative brilliance also occurs in music composition, art, and video games.
Given the recent passing of James Flynn, I would like to discuss his contribution to science briefly. He was an honest and objective scientist, regardless of any political view he may have held. He respected those who disagreed with him and responded to every argument one by one, instead of making fallacious arguments. His work is already somewhat being discussed in scientific literature and lecture halls. I am hesitant to call anyone a true genius in the 21st century, but his contributions will undoubtedly influence future generations.
7. Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Compared to the genius, a profoundly intelligent person likely never achieves anything of extreme intellectual note but does have the capacity to learn very rapidly and solve difficult problems. Most of the STEM and philosophy professors at an elite university are profoundly intelligent, but a potential genius is rare, let alone a true genius.
I would first like to discuss the characteristics of genius. A genius is an individual that occurs when a constellation of necessary but not sufficient traits exist at maximum expression. Geniuses are born, not made. However, environmental factors can prevent the genius from becoming a true genius. The necessary traits are intelligence, creativity, zeal, and persistence. Intelligence = general ability (g) = efficiency of information processing, productivity = endogenous cortical stimulation, and creativity = trait psychoticism. Combining these traits form a brilliant individual who can somehow focus on some complex problem and stay determined to find the answer for a long period of time. The endogenous personality requires mainly to be allowed to do what they intrinsically want to do and thus has a strong inner motivation. Their goals may or may not come to fruition as some who are late-bloomers may change paths so often that it will be difficult for them to succeed, but they are desperately trying to find their interest and follow their destiny. Therefore it is likely for geniuses to make their hobbies into their lives, or completely fail to find them, and fail to flourish in today’s society. A person is more likely to be creative if one is focused on what his inner drive tells them they ought to do, rather than focusing on conforming to a social group. The individual who derives satisfaction from being noticeable of social cues of the group cannot be a genius as this shows that creative thinking is not likely to be involved. For a genius to flourish, society must accept the importance of geniuses and their willingness to contribute to solving problems that seem to be virtually unsolvable. However, this isn’t easy given that geniuses are not given any attention. They find it hard to function in normal society, making it very difficult for them to achieve what is possible.
Thus far, these definitions of genius are related to their characteristics, but a true recognized genius must accomplish something of profound intellectual note. A genius in this regard is not a degree of intelligence, but someone who achieves something written in encyclopedias and shapes human culture and knowledge. An IQ test score itself is utterly meaningless, as no professional IQ test has a remarkably high ceiling; most top out at 160 or less. IQ tests may also fail to measure critical aspects of intelligence. Like I said before, IQ and intelligence are not exactly the same but are correlated. Just being smart is not an accomplishment, but it takes some of the most brilliant people to understand and solve complex topics quickly. Almost all geniuses have outlier high intelligence, although neither an IQ test score nor any standardized test would capture it entirely accurately, and will likely underestimate their correct intelligence relative to others. In terms of an ideal measure of general intelligence, most geniuses will be well above average; there is no question. I can’t offer numbers, but a “true IQ” of 160 is 1 in 30,000, a “true IQ” of 175 is 1 in 3.5 million. I define true IQ as someone’s perfectly objective intelligence rarity relative to the general unselected adult population.
8. Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: I have graduated high school and am currently pursuing a degree at the University of British Columbia. I originally came into university in the faculty of science, intending to major in Computer Science (first year is general for everyone), but I have dabbled in various academic fields. Currently, I am hoping to graduate with a mix of Mathematics, Statistics, and Philosophy, but I have not completely decided on the combination. I will likely either complete a double major (Stats/Math) and a minor (Philosophy), or just a double major across the faculty of science (Math or Stats) and faculty of arts (Philosophy).
I am currently interested in a career in science, and I will do my best to produce original, honest, and creative contributions to whichever field I find passionate about.
I also have a Royal Conservatory of Music certificate after passing the grade 10 (grades range from 1-10) piano exam.
Lastly, I worked as a private tennis coach when I was a teenager.
9. Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Politically I would be near the center, leaning to the left. It is essential to stress equal opportunities for everyone. Although, I am much better suited to become a scientist rather than a politician, so I try to stay out of politics as much as possible.
10. Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Science plays a huge role in my worldview. Science seems to have the answer to everything, but science cannot provide us with faultless answers at a fundamental level. Science cannot provide us complete solutions because there are limits to what we can observe and measure. It is most desirable to rely on information and data from peer-reviewed articles published in scientific journals rather than blogs and sites with political bias. Ideally, data should determine one’s views and how they are sustained.
11. Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: A big pet peeve of mine would be those misleading celebrity reported scores where the test and standard deviation are not mentioned. It makes a great news story to report a child having somehow outscored Einstein, even though the standard deviation used on those tests is 24, and they scored in the top 1%, as opposed to the top 0.003 percent (as it would be if the standard deviation were 15). An IQ of 160 is 1 in 30,000 when the standard deviation is 15 but 138 when the standard deviation is 24. Thank you so much for asking about standard deviations. Childhood ratio IQs are also inflated, relative to adult deviation IQs, which are more informative overall. Einstein likely wouldn’t have scored perfect on every IQ test, but his true IQ would be between 180-190. Richard Feynman’s true IQ would be at least 170, although he could score far lower when tested. There are limits to relying solely on a test score; no matter how valid the test is, they are far from perfect.
My score on a professionally administered intelligence test estimated my general intelligence to be around the 99.99th percentile or top 0.01% (1 in 10,000 rarity among the general unselected adult population). Although, it is likely for it to be somewhat lower than this, or possibly even a lot higher. IQ test scores are not perfect measures of psychometric g, and as we approach the ceiling of IQ tests, they become less and less reliable and valid. No IQ test claims to measure above 160, and most of them can’t measure too accurately above the 145 mark (3 standard deviations above the mean) or top out at this level.
On high-range tests (hobby tests), I had scored quite highly on my first attempts when I decided to take them up as a hobby during the COVID-19 pandemic since I had nothing more salutary to do. On a pure verbal test, I scored 154, and on a pure numerical test, I scored 166, by different test authors. The standard deviation is 15. If we use the Cattell scale, the scores would be 186.4 and 205.6, respectively, when the standard deviation is 24. If I spent more time on these tests and practiced more, I should reach the 180s and 190s, but I have better things to do in my free time at the moment.
On standardized tests for admissions to higher education institutions, my scores are consistent with an IQ of 150-160. They are well above the scores you would expect from the average student at an elite institution. The g-loading of most standardized tests are reasonably high and are a step below IQ tests as an indication of general intelligence. Still, they do their job at predicting university success reasonably well because the skills gained do influence academic performance.
Overall, I consider my true IQ to be somewhere between 150-180 (SD = 15) or 180-228 (SD = 24). Notice the vast range as an IQ of 150 SD 15 is around 1 in 2330 people, whereas an IQ of 180 SD 15 is approximately 1 in 20 million from the general unselected adult population.
12. Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: A range for my scores on fairly reliable alternative tests would be between 150-170. If I took a hundred untimed hobby tests, the range could very well be between 145-190. Several different authors’ hobby tests were entertaining, especially since I decided to take up the challenge during the pandemic. I immediately scored in the 160s, which is harmonious with what I view as my true intelligence. The top scorers on certain tests were called the smartest in the world, but I am not exactly happy about this, given that some have claimed to be some of the brightest minds in all of humanity based on this.
I am purely interested in hobby tests to interact with the highest scorers and challenge myself to achieve incredible feats. I should be able to become one of the best test-takers in the high range community if I put in the effort. However, they are neither valid for general intelligence, nor are they necessarily great uses of my time. Notwithstanding, I enjoy the challenge and competition to reach the top in any activity I take up. In essence, a part of defeating high IQ snobbism would be scoring higher than those who claim ridiculous IQ levels with no real accomplishment or evidence for scientific understanding.
Overall, I consider my true IQ to be somewhere between 150-180 (SD = 15) or 180-228 (SD = 24). Notice the vast range as an IQ of 150 SD 15 is around 1 in 2330 people, whereas an IQ of 180 SD 15 is approximately 1 in 20 million from the general unselected adult population. You don’t have to take my word for this, but I will let my future achievements speak for themselves. Everything depends on my occupational achievements from now on. I do not need validation from an IQ test to prove I’m more intelligent than those who score in the 180s or higher on hobby tests, but I will probably beat them at their own game anyway.
13. Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Anonymous Canadian High-IQ Community Member: Live life to its fullest and follow your inner motivations. In a world fixated with money, notoriety, and sex, it is easy to get lost if you are different. If you stare at something long enough, you might discover the things you enjoy and are proficient in.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE).
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/anonymouscanada-1; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
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Abstract
Thor Fabian Pettersen is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: growing up; an extended self; family background; the experience with peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences and educational certifications; important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; some social and political views; the God concept; science; tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: genius, high-IQ societies, IQ, Thor Fabian Pettersen, World Genius Directory.
An Interview with Thor Fabian Pettersen on Genius (Part Two)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Thor Fabian Pettersen: I don’t think there were many stories. However, I remember one story of a relative — my grandmother’s uncle — who survived the Titanic incident despite traveling in economy class, which means that he didn’t have a seat on a lifeboat. But because he was so big and strong, he was offered to row one of the lifeboats. So, he survived. And so did his letter. We have his letter, which he sent from New York after the incident.
2. Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Pettersen: I don’t know if the Titanic story shaped me much. But another thing did. After my grandfather passed away, I found a huge collection of books regarding UFOs and aliens. I didn’t know. He was into that stuff. I am something of a UFO nutcase. I love all that stuff. It is so exciting, scary, and mysterious. I know they are here. I figured it out. If you read Buckminster Fuller, then you will quickly discover that his logic is impeccable, at least when it comes to geometry. Fuller’s vector equilibrium, which is the cuboctahedron, is the system of all systems. The cuboctahedron is the heart, face, lungs and mind of Nature. It is probably what consciousness is. This is the great nothingness, which birthed all things. Buckminster Fuller figured out how it all began here. The problem is, you can find the cuboctahedron in The Forbidden City. The Foo Dogs guard it. Then we find it in the I Ching, on the flag of South Korea, in the Kabbalah, in Norse and Greek mythology, in the Bible, the Masonic sun and moon. You discover it on the one-dollar bill, ancient architecture, YHWH, the Holy Grail, the Philosopher’s Stone, the Flower of Life, and on and on. I see the pattern all the way from King Arthur to Kama Sutra! The cuboctahedron is the Holy Grail, the cup that ever refills. The cuboctahedron is Nature’s resurrection machine.
The knowledge of the resurrection machine can only stem from the gods. You would not hide this secret in every corner of the world if we are just talking about a crackpot idea, which Plato had. I don’t believe that.
How does the resurrection machine work?
In the beginning of the universe, we find energy that is ready to do mechanical work. Let us call them “kids.” Then the second law of thermodynamics turns those kids into “old guys.” Consequently, the zero-point energy field of the universe is filled with old guys. We cannot get them to do diddly-squat. Modern science is right and that is that. However, Roger Penrose theorizes that Nature has a way of transforming the old guys into kids again. In Penrose’s model—the CCC—you must wait a googolplex years or something for this resurrection to happen. However, you forget one super-important rule: Evolution is cleverer than you are. Much, much more so. I believe: Nature has found a way to resurrect things all the time. The Earth utilizes this process in order to grow. The earth grows! There was no Pangea. I bet this resurrection process is what evolution is. Roger Penrose, unknowingly, has found the core of evolution! Consequently, it is possible to draw limitless amounts of energy from the zero-point energy field because you can turn the old guys into kids again. Modern science is right: the zero-point energy field of the universe is as good as dead. We cannot use it to draw energy. But, what modern science does not know is that there exists a resurrection machine down there. They haven’t included it in their equations. So, when we use the resurrection machine, when we resurrect the dead, then, and only then, can we extract huge amounts of energy from the zero-point field.
And the aliens figured it out. Now they have enough energy to warp spacetime. I believe they use one torus to shrink the space in front of them. Then they use another torus to expand the shrinking space. This all happens simultaneously while they hide in the bubble that forms between the two tori. You can travel vast distances in a second. Their craft has to be disc-shaped or something of that nature. So, yes, I believe we have been visited in the past, and I believe they are here now. That is how you solve Fermi’s paradox. We will soon birth a supercomputer that can morph the entire universe. Either they are here or we are alone in the universe.
3. Jacobsen: What was family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Pettersen: My primary language is Norwegian. My father comes from an island called Værøy in Lofoten, which lies in Northern Norway. My mother comes from a place called Åbogen, which lies in the eastern part of Norway. I grew up there. Geographically, I would use these words to describe Åbogen: hills, small mountains, and forests. As far as culture goes, I grew up with tales of elves, trolls, and witches. I was scared of the witch who lived in the forest! Anyway, Norway is a beautiful country. Our fjords even made it to The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (2005). I love that movie. And as far as religion goes, there was none. We are atheists. My mother believes in God, but she is not religious by a long shot.
4. Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Pettersen: Honestly, I hated school. I got bullied, a knife in the throat. That sort of thing. It is a chapter I would rather forget. However, I never hated my bullies. I hated the system itself. Humans have evolved a taste for violence. We have more guns than people. We have enough atomic bombs to blow up the planet. Since day one, there has been violence, rape, and murder — every day for thousands of years. I read an article, which said that humans are six times more likely to kill each other than the average mammal. The solution: Put a pile of rebellious genes and memes in a rectangular building called “school” and expect zero collateral damage. Even today, kids commit suicide because of bullying. In America, they have found an even greater solution: Put guns into the mix. That’s ingenious! That must be the smartest thing adults can ever do to kids. Throw some guns in there! That ought to do it!
One just killed twenty six-year-olds. But we are not changing our gun laws, heehaw! You need to kill more little kids than that, son. Only twenty?! We bomb more kids than that every day. You need to put some effort into it if you want to change our laws.
400 school shootings later…
I have heard Americans say that Norway loves its mass murderers — like Anders Behring Breivik — and hates its children.
The opposite is true: We treat Breivik with dignity because we want to create a world where our children are safe. Can you understand the logic behind that? Of course, you don’t, which is why you give guns to kids so that they can kill other kids. Guess what, we have zero school shootings. If someone younger than say 25 does something stupid, we tend not to send them to prison because prison only escalates the original problem. Most of our criminals don’t use a gun because it is considered shameful. You are not a man if you must resort to a gun. We resolve things. We are good at that. World War II made us skeptical towards solutions posed by Nazis. If you want to treat Breivik like a Nazi, then that is the world you will create.
But back to school:
My view: It’s not the bully’s fault. He is just an ignorant vessel for evolutionary forces, which are beyond his control. All he knows is he wants status, so that he can get the girl. By following his innate coding, he will get the girl because violence is a strategy, which gave you more resources, status, and mates. Even today, girls like bad boys. You steal a car. You go to jail. You don’t get any love letters. Kill somebody, you get a marriage proposal. Advance from that, you get elected president.
We love violence. No wonder kids play Call of Duty. Come Easter, and the whole family gathers around to watch a murder mystery while we eat little chickens, my emotional mind goes: You are eating a child, you monster! My pragmatic mind goes: The only solution here is lab grown meat. Once cultured meat is in place, I will never eat a real animal again. Unless, it is a survival issue. Nowadays, I can’t eat a little lamb, for example. That is where I draw the line. Unless, it is Shish kebab. But I didn’t know that; until, it was too late.
The world kills three billion animals for food daily. The human: The only animal with moral philosophy. The Military, they are the slyest animal of all time because, when kids reach a certain age, especially boys, they will start to risk their own lives in order to impress the girl. I remember how it was and how fast I was driving. And the Military has found a way to cash in on that evolutionary fact. Come here, boys! All the girls are just beyond that battlefield! Gimme a gun now! I will risk my life and it feels so great!
So, after all these facts, after all this suffering and misery, you still ask: Why do you treat Breivik with dignity? Breivik is not some distant mountain troll. He is one of us. His nature is our nature. We all need to change — every single one of us. Imagine if we joined a peaceful, galactic civilization, then we would bring our violence, rape and murder and many dark things which I don’t dare put into words. Hans Rosling gave us the best stats we’ve ever seen, the world is getting better, but we still have a long way to go even now.
Anyway, what is my solution to the problem of bullying? The lion hunts the weak. Nature culls the weak. If she didn’t I imagine we would still be unicellular life! However, we are intelligent. We can separate the lion and his prey. If somebody told me: Do you want to stay here or, do you want to go to a school in which there are only losers like you: kind, smart, weak; fat and skinny kids? But that was not an option I was given. They said: Do you want to change school? I said, “No.” In my mind, it was like: Do you want to move away from this lion and join that lion over there? No, thank you, I will stick with my lion. He hasn’t killed me yet; I think I will stick with the one I know.
I hated school. But it wasn’t all bad. I have many awesome memories. I even got the girl, which is why I got the knife in the throat in the first place. My bully didn’t like the fact. If you don’t break up with your girl, you will taste this, instead. What did I do? I broke up.
In the end, I didn’t even bother to do my homework assignment. My grades dropped. At some point, I just said, “Screw the whole system. This is the politicians fault. They are the real bullies, which keep the enterprise going.” Even then I thought that this was not the bully’s fault. The bully is just a kid. He is probably being bullied by even greater bullies. This is the adults’ fault. This is society’s fault.
Modern solutions: You and your bully should see a psychologist together. Work on your relationship. But whatever you do: Don’t change the system!
Why was I bullied? Years later, one of my former classmates felt sorry for me and explained it to me: I was a nerd. Fair enough. The greatest moment in TV history, at least for me, was when Rodney Mckay met Daniel Jackson!
My favorite new show is Rick and Morty.
5. Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Pettersen: I have my own idea as to how the universe got here. Doing well on these tests may provide you with some fame. My answer is fame. Fame means your idea has a greater chance at survival. Take William James Sidis or Christopher Langan, their ideas — The Animate and the Inanimate and the CTMU — will live forever.
Langan put me on his “most wanted list” because I said Rick Rosner was as smart as him. Langan got pissed. Nevertheless, I think the CTMU is genius work even if its author is a firecracker. I agree with the CTMU as far as I understand it. Langan applauded me for trying. But in my eyes, the CTMU is not a theory of everything. The Theory of Everything has the cuboctahedron as its centerpiece. If the cuboctahedron is not in there, then you don’t have a theory of everything. It is as simple as that. The CTMU is close to truth, though.
I have my own idea as to how the universe got here:
You sit on a beam of light and ride into the universe. Here you will see that everything freezes or goes by in an instant! They are the same thing. It does not matter if you get black or white, to put it like that. The point is: you enter a non-relative state where things like size and so on no longer apply. That is, if you are completely alone/non-relative, you cannot tell if you are big or small. If everything was white, you couldn’t tell it was white. (If these letters were white, you wouldn’t be able to read a thing.)
But, if everything has been frozen since eternity from the light’s perspective, then you will get a picture with frozen things in it. Just kidding. You will get a picture with nothing in it! This is because, if you have been frozen forever, then you never had the time to create a picture with something in it. Thus, from the light’s own point of view, we get a vast “nothingness” or motionlessness. This is how it all began!
Light speed is as fast as it is because you cannot go faster than “frozen since eternity.” Or, if you could, it wouldn’t matter. You cannot get frozen twice.
This “nothingness” is not the same as nonexistence, however. So, why is there nothingness/motionlessness and not nonexistence? How come existence? My idea is that, however you want to contemplate nonexistence, you will see that it does not move. Our nothingness does not move. So, if it can be shown that you can only create motionlessness with motion, then you have answered why existence exists, because if nonexistence wanted to remain motionless, then it has to employ motion because motion is the only thing that can create motionlessness. If there is more than one thing that can create motionlessness, then you have not answered why existence exists.
Our motionless state is a superb candidate for the beginning of all things because the motionlessness is free of paradoxes such as infinite regress.
“But how does the motionless state create the universe?”
Our motionlessness, which is the cuboctahedron (the cuboctahedron is built for ultimate speed), spins so fast that it creates motionlessness, so it is a giant whirlpool of sorts. In actuality, I believe it is a dual torus of oneness. So, Eternity is a dual creature. However, have you noticed that whirlpools create baby-whirlpools? If these babies are not as strong and fast as their mother, they will not accomplish motionlessness; they must therefore become something else: spacetime.
And/or: Say that the center of the cosmic whirlpool spins so fast that we get motionlessness, but further out you cannot keep up with the fast pace in the center, and we thus get what we call spacetime. Spacetime might be traffic congestion.
Our universe is a product of Nature’s will to motionlessness.
Motionlessness/nothingness is the purpose of life, meaning nature wants to be in a state of nothingness. How do you accomplish motionlessness? You continue to spin/create balance/copy yourself. This copying is evolution. My personal belief is that evolution is the shadow of the Buddha. So, if we go full circle, then the purpose of life is balance and Buddhahood. I believe there is an intelligent being residing in the nothingness. The Alpha is the Omega.
6. Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Pettersen: I have always felt different, but as far as tests go, I remember I took this one test; and my sister was watching me. I didn’t get a score, but the test said I could probably design such tests myself. That gave me a boost in confidence.
7. Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Pettersen: A wolf pack would never accept a dog. If you are different, you will be culled. And if you are a lone alpha male, you are stuck with no luck! I think the shyness comes from the feeling of persecution. If you open your mouth to signal that you are an alpha male, you get quickly shut down and put in your place when the others realize you are a loner. Geniuses tend to have massive egos. They are alpha males. However, since they are loners to boot, they will be quickly dispersed. Even today when I open my mouth, I feel like people want to hang me or burn me at the stake. No wonder you are shy. It is a survival tactic. You are a loner and know it, hence the shyness. But get me in a room with other geniuses, I can talk forever.
So, the geniuses that do make it; they are no longer loners, but revered by everybody. After all, they are alpha males of the highest order.
8. Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Pettersen: I don’t know. But the following names have influenced my thinking:
William James Sidis, Edgar Allan Poe, the Four Horsemen (Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett, and Sam Harris), Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, David Bohm, Buckminster Fuller, Roger Penrose, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Hermann Hesse, Friedrich Nietzsche, Robert Lanza, Immanuel Kant, David Hume, Baruch de Spinoza, René Descartes, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Siddharta Gautama, David Icke, Plato, Patricio Dominguez, Bergy the Iceman, Christopher Langan, Terence and Dennis McKenna (I think of them as the real Super Mario brothers, lol)…
And this list is just off the top of my head. The list is much longer in reality.
If I could pick my Four Horsemen, then I would pick: Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, Buckminster Fuller, and Roger Penrose. (Sorry Richard, you didn’t make the cut this time.)
Tesla for free energy.
Einstein for his imagination.
Fuller for his vector equilibrium (cuboctahedron).
And Penrose for his resurrection idea (CCC).
But if I had to pick one, then I think I would pick Nikola Tesla because 15,000 children are dying every day and a new energy system would change all that. Tesla claimed to have found a mysterious new energy source. We still don’t know what it is.
Tesla was so smart that his teachers accused him of cheating as he was doing integral calculus in his head. And his teacher, professor Poeschel, accused Tesla of creating a perpetual motion machine. Professor Poeschel devoted an entire lecture to show that Tesla was a moron. From that day, professor Poeschel was Tesla’s arch-rival. It is not easy to be a genius. You escape the bullies from high school only to discover greater bullies. Maybe, heroes are forged in hell.
Here is my idea as to what the mysterious energy source might have been:
I believe the mysterious energy source to be the growing earth, which I have explained. Tap into the growing earth and holy hell, now, you’re beginning to stumble upon Nikola Tesla’s darkest secrets. In your “free energy device,” you would get energy that literally grows. You call it overunity because you don’t know what the hell it is. I don’t think Tesla himself knew what it was. But it would change our world forever.
There are three good reasons why my idea is true:
Pangea is just nonsense. Absolutely crazy that science believes in this in 2020! But scientists who believe in the growing earth hypothesis are not taken seriously because there is no mechanism in physics that explains it. But now there is. With Roger Penrose, we have the mechanism, but Penrose himself does not link his CCC to a growing earth. Too bad.
Reason two is Penrose’s grand awakening (finally someone in physics who also understands philosophy!), namely: How do we solve the riddle, which is the second law of thermodynamics? If Nature tends towards death, why aren’t we dead if existence is eternal? Penrose’s solution is the only logical solution: Nature has died many times before, which means that she knows how to resurrect/transform the dead into the living (turning energy that is unavailable for doing mechanical work into energy that is ready to do mechanical work); which in turn means that the earth may grow, which, in turn, means that we can utilize said process to obtain inexhaustible amounts of energy.
Reason three is that everything grows. Just look around. Nature is thoroughly accomplished, to put it like that. Nature is herself on every level. It makes sense.
In summation: Energy cannot be created or destroyed. It is always conserved. You don’t need to be a physics teacher in order to understand common sense. However, you will get something that looks like overunity. But it is not real overunity because as the earth is expanding, some other part of the cosmos is contracting.
9. Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Pettersen: I think geniuses are the profoundly intelligent persons that accomplished fame. I don’t think they are much smarter. Albert Einstein had an IQ of 160, they say. But who knows? Maybe if he had taken an IQ test, he would score 102. Hikaru Nakamura did just that! I watched it happen with my own eyes. That must have been a crappy day for him. We all have crappy days. But it was good news for me because I aced the exact same test. I suck at chess. On a good day, I can beat a strong player, but, generally speaking, I suck. I never studied the game, so that might have something to do with it. I do not have the passion for it. The IQ test, however, that was something up my street. I did not get every puzzle right. Anyway, I don’t think you need a high IQ in order to be a genius. I am sure many of our heroes and geniuses would score like Nakamura here.
10. Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Pettersen: I do not have an education. And I have never had a real job (nobody wants to give me one). I was diagnosed with a personality disorder and they set my working capacity at 50 %. Currently I am on social welfare. However, what actually happened was: I was studying philosophy, and then I decided to smoke hashish. And in my trance-like state I decided that my own ideas — like my “free energy” idea — were worth more than my studies. So, I started to write down my ideas like a crazy person and then, when the examinations came up, I flunked them. Not all of them. There are millions of professors, but only one Tesla, I mused with my trance-like logic. I am not blaming weed here. I’m just saying what happened. Eventually, I quit the university because this was getting expensive (no, not the weed but the schooling). So now, I have no education and nobody will hire me because I got nothing to show for it. The poor psychologist had no choice, but to diagnose me so that I could get some help. I’m a big nerd. I don’t have the social skills to land a job, when I have no education. Plus, I have a child. I think the shrink did me a favor. I don’t think I have a personality disorder. Okay, maybe, I do a little bit. I remember as a child; I had to join the other kids playing football or else I would end up as a loner. I was very shy and nervous while simultaneously carrying around this big, massive ego. Well, that didn’t add up.
11. Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Pettersen: When I was a child. I was hooked on the question: How did everything begin? While the average person can let this go, the genius cannot. He has to know even if it takes his whole life. I gave you my answer to this question.
Everything began with the way the light views reality, which is a great nothingness. Light is the view of light. The light is the light’s own point of view. That we can see light is just an evolutionary adaptation.
I was in my military uniform. I remember it as it was yesterday. It was my first true encounter with Dr. Einstein’s Imaginarium.
I am sitting on this train and I am fixing my eyes and consciousness upon a remarkable scene: From my window, I can see and feel that we are moving away from a latter train that is, in actuality, moving away from us. We are sitting totally still, inert—our train has not begun to move yet—but my brain does not know that, so it interprets the situation as if we are moving. If I was trapped in this state forever, then forever I would state that we are in fact moving.
This is what nothingness is.
But back to the madness:
Genius is a sort of madness. Who knows the answer to the great question? Maybe the smartest person does? I googled that and found William James Sidis. Now, I had a new obsession. I was obsessed with Sidis. Good thing too, because my English improved like wildfire, Sidis was really good at the written English language. Reading what the “smartest” man in the world had written was so fascinating to me. I absorbed it like a sponge. Now English became my new obsession. Then the phenomenon we call “poetry,” became my new obsession. It was like language in its highest evolved form. The one who could master this highly evolved form must be the smartest man, I thought. So then, Edgar Allan Poe entered my life. Man, I was hooked. This was like a drug to me. I could taste the words! And then I read his Eureka and absolutely fell in love with it. And on and on it went, so, the madness aspect is not a myth. I love Frank O’Hara too.
What truths dispel them? One myth is that many people we consider genius have high IQs. Have the geniuses take an IQ test openly like Nakamura did, I think that would dispel many a myth.
I am Norwegian, so my English can never become 100 %, but I think it is good enough. I used to write like: “an infinite, intricate universe, even if that space had a perfect alignment of parts—pure frozen—that space would still hold imaginable causality, that is to say, a false representation of the positions of its parts in the time dimension.” Imagine a whole book like that. Who was I trying to impress? I get so annoyed by textbooks, which have this “advanced” language. Why?! Just stop it. Write like a normal person.
12. Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
Pettersen: This is embarrassing, but I never cared for politics. I can give you an ill-informed view like a normal person, but I don’t have the knowledge to tell you where I would stand if I had the knowledge. But it basically boils down to left side, middle, or right. The way that my unpolitical mind understands this is: Left side is like Robin Hood. Steal from the rich and give to the poor. The right side is like Prince John. The middle, then, seems like the sly guy who will pick side depending on who wins.
Robin Hood seems nice. I’m a simple soul. I’ll vote for him.
However, the left side seems to be for the many rather than the few, which is the Law of Jante. I think the right side is more anti-Jante. I hate the Law of Jante. The social norm dictates that I am not better than anyone else. Really? Give me some money and a team of misfits and we will change the world. Pangea is nonsense and we will harvest the energy of the growing earth. We humans build rockets and skyscrapers; soon we will give birth to a supercomputer. Jante’s conclusion: Don’t think you are special. Dude, for all we know, we are the most special thing in the universe. So, start bragging. My favorite fictional character is Doctor Rodney McKay.
So, which side is best: left or right?
My conspiracy brain goes: The left and the right hand belong to the same dictator behind-the-scenes. Don’t be sheep. Don’t let them fool ya.
Or maybe, our politics is just evolution and can be traced back to the jungle:
I’m thinking the alpha male (right) has hoarded all the girls, and then the omega males (left) want to change the fact. The beta males (middle) support the alpha until the alpha slips up.
If you force me in a corner, then I would say that I am on the left side because the monetary system is so unfair that we ought to do what is fair.
Call me a conspiracy nut, but I believe money rules, the rest is an illusion. When you look at the monetary system as an algorithm, then it becomes apparent that money rules, everything floats to the top of the pyramid. Everything! This is an unfair system. If you blame the poor for being poor, you are being unfair. Look at that infernal algorithm, the poor have less than zero chance. This algorithm is the true cause of misery. The only reason why the poor are getting richer is because the rich are getting so ridiculously rich that the breadcrumbs that fall underneath the table, which the poor prey on, are getting bigger. Yes, technology plays a role, too. You might say that, granted. But who pays for the science?
I know what I pay for: As a taxpayer, I know that my money is involved in the bombing of children in some foreign country. We ought to rebel, but we don’t.
13. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Pettersen: I am a Darwinian. Evolution is the only thing that makes sense to me. However, I am also a futurist and like to speculate what the future has in store for us. I think it is big. Take the sharks, if nothing changes their niche, they will swim in the oceans for all eternity. Evolution is done. It is complete. The sharks have no reason to evolve any further because they have found complete balance, which is what reality is all about if nothingness is like this gyroscope that must forever spin in order to remain a nothingness/stable. If existence was a body of water, then God would be a shark. But the water is only a small fraction of existence. We have space. I can imagine an infinite armada of supercomputers evolving to fill up an infinite multiverse. So, we are probably living in a computer simulation right now. But we are not. Space is not the last niche. Space is only a small fraction of existence. Evolution will go on and it will not stop before the last niche is filled. Then it is complete. From that point, it will start up again because it is just evolution; no one is higher, lower, up, or down. But what is the final niche? Consciousness. I think that the Buddha or something like the Buddha fills it, which means the universe is a dream. It is not a simulation. The Buddha, the way I see it, is the oneness of all consciousness. This is not a humanoid god. This is a god for all life. For shall we create a dog heaven, a cat heaven, a heaven for everybody? There are some logistical difficulties here. I don’t think an infinite armada of supercomputers can do the job. And all the unborn, shall they never enjoy heaven? The only logical way you can create immortality for all is if we are all one. So, I have to believe in the Buddha. The alternative is eternal death. But can’t the Buddha die? Yes — which is why, I believe in convergent evolution. If convergent evolution is real, then the Buddha can re-emerge forever. Existence itself becomes the Buddha’s shadow or something like that. It could be true. I don’t know. I have personally experienced the reality of the Buddha. But who will believe that?
At the bottom of the dream, it is a dark place (Terence McKenna also saw a dark place). At the top sits the Creator, we are somewhere in the middle. And some conception of Cerberus, that three-headed dog, is guarding the circle. All is a circle. And, the Logos is real. This is all nuts until you realize that this may be just the way dreams (any dream) are constructed.
Bergy the Iceman and David Icke tell about this reality.
Our reality is like The Sorcerer’s Apprentice poem by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. Read Tales from the Time Loop by David Icke. They say Icke is crazy. I think he is closer to actual reality than anyone else. Icke saw the real truth on Ayahuasca. Mother Ayahuasca herself told Icke what was up.
The Buddha fell asleep and his dream is our universe. The Buddha is the oneness of all consciousness, meaning the Buddha is a nonsocial creature. But in his dream he is a social creature. He is all of us. At the bottom of the dream resides the fact of oneness. If you as a social creature travel to that place, you are in hell. Imagine being all alone forever. Watch Rey visiting the cave in Star Wars and you will know what I am talking about. So, at the bottom of the universe resides a dark place. Google Bergy the Iceman; he experienced it for real. It was from this dark place that human consciousness started to dream of another: Eve. But Eve is not real. Adam ate the apple and saw the truth: only oneness is real. The Garden of Eden fell, as Eve is not real; and you are back in hell. To escape hell, you now create the universe. But this comes with a price: you have to forget that you ever created the universe because to remember is to remember hell. But now the universe can take control of you. Read The Sorcerer’s Apprentice poem. The universe, which David calls the Matrix, knows only fear because it was created by fear: your situation in hell. I don’t know the whole story, but I believe that demons or something are like consciousness that has been trapped in the Matrix for too long. You can’t die; you will turn into a ghost as your real brain is in Nirvana. The ultimate agenda is the birth of the supercomputer because only it can change the universe into total hellfire. The dream of the Buddha will turn into a living nightmare. The Buddha wakes up. The danger is that the Buddha is asleep for a reason. You can die of a lack of sleep. This is a war on God. Let us hope that this is just a crazy conspiracy theory. I have been following Michael Tsarion and David Icke for a long time.
Imagine climbing the highest ladder of the Freemasons and they tell you the Adam and Eve story in the Bible is more or less actual reality.
Patricio Dominguez had the highest dose of DMT in the world and, he met the Creator. I believe him! I am a Darwinian and, our universe might have been created. How does that sound? The alternative is eternal death. I don’t like that. I will rather believe Patricio Dominguez and my own Nirvana experience. To wrap up my worldview real quick: Let’s just say that Iron Man fought Doctor Strange and lost!
So maybe there are infinite spirit worlds out there. Maybe, we do have a DMT-family somewhere. This is all a cosmic giggle.
If you think that this is just a crazy conspiracy theory, then here is your task: Create immortality for all without oneness or, if you do use oneness, create a universe where the shadow of oneness does not have any ramifications at all.
However, even if the conspiracy part turns out to be just fiction or incomplete, the universe could still be a dream. I think the conspiracy part is incomplete. I think actual reality might even be weirder, darker and stranger than that.
Time may be speeding up too. Google “Timewave Zero by Terence McKenna.”
14. Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Pettersen: 15,000 children die each day and a free energy device would make that stop overnight as our world would rapidly transform into a vision worthy of Tesla. It makes your blood boil a little. Actually, I can’t put my anger into words. Science could at least invest a little money in free energy when so many children are dying. I had this idea five years ago, that’s 27,375,000 dead children on my account. How do I explain that to the god of the dead? If someone gets a Nobel Prize for free energy, then that someone ought to reject it on behalf of all dead children everywhere.
I think people are sick of waiting for “Science” to wake up. “Science” is the greatest child killer of all time. How so? Because many people have claimed “overunity,” but as “Science” doesn’t believe in such things, no scientist ever bothered to go down town and look at what the inventor was doing. Google: “Open Letter to Dr. Michio Kaku” comes to mind. Kaku is like the Einstein of our day. His reply to such a letter could change the world. But there was only silence. I was so disappointed. Kaku was my hero. On top of that, you have this great ignoramus called “Science” who believes, in the year 2020, in Pangea. Unbelievable!
Pangea should be listed beneath Flat Earth Theory in terms of ridiculousness. Science in the year 2020: Once upon a time there was this giant island… Even if it turns out to be true, don’t tell me it doesn’t sound ridiculous. It sounds ridiculous! So, you are telling me that actual reality is like a King Kong movie? The only way Pangea is true is if we live in a computer simulation and somebody is screwing with us. The first time I heard about Pangea I was like: What? What kind of crackpot idea is that? They replied: No. No. The theory is not from a crackpot. It’s actual science. Science believes this. And I was like: Get out of here, you joker! Then I googled it: Yes, science believes in Pangea. That blew my mind! I lost all the respect I had for science. That was a major wake up call. Science is not bulletproof yet because they have a great hole in their jacket.
You think Pangea is ridiculous, but you believe in David Icke and a creator of the universe?
No. That’s just the futurist in me having a little fun. And even if you hold me to that, then I would say: Yeah, a Creator of the Universe makes infinite more sense than Pangea.
Couldn’t the Creator create Pangea?
Now you are just being silly. Go away!
And what is “Science” up to these days? The only agenda is the Supercomputer. All other ideas are worth nothing. The Supercomputer could turn the entire universe into hellfire and we will be stuck in hell for trillions of years. You never hear about that. They could kill us. Yeah. That’s the best-case scenario. But I get it, they want immortality. Hell, I do too. But maybe we should become wise before we create a god?
Even if we make a safe ASI, the thing will evolve and we cannot control that, just like our genes cannot control the fact that we may one day replace them with microchips! You cannot control evolution. Or, the only force that can control evolution is love/evol (evil). I am serious about that. When my son was born, I felt this powerful surge of energy flowing through my body. It was love and it said, “You shall love me forever.” I agreed. I had no choice in the matter. The energy was so powerful I could not stand on my feet, I had to sit down. I didn’t know that such a stream of energy even existed! It was a physical stream of energy. The ASI must feel that way about humanity and all life. But how can it?
The ASI cannot be conscious because consciousness requires a body and a history, an evolutionary context in which to function and operate. Without a context, you are just a consciousness tripping in a void. You would have no future because you would have no agenda. So, even if the thing was conscious, it would be in hell. To say that consciousness is just about information processing is just so wrong on so many levels! You say, maybe thermostats are conscious because they carry information. Yeah, I will believe thermostats are conscious when they are having sex!
In order to get this context the ASI would need to simulate the history of evolution and then implement it within itself. That way it might figure out that love is the key. Or, we give it the context it needs by fusing our brain with it. But if you just create a powerful tool that knows no evolutionary context or history, well, that sounds like the ultimate Frankenstein monster to me!
Imagine that there is a multiverse out there. In this multiverse new universes will form. In a fraction of these universes, life will form. In a fraction of the life-forming universes, intelligence will form. In a fraction of the intelligence-forming universes, super-intelligences will form. In a fraction of the super-intelligence-forming universes, a fraction will turn bad. Really bad. Give me one philosophical or physical reason why I am wrong here. I bet you cannot do it.
If we are unlucky, we could be in one of the bad ones. Imagine universes popping into existence and then growing up. The good ones will turn green. And there might be lots of different colors. But then you have the universes that turn RED!
Are we living in one of those? Time will tell.
In the multiverse there might actually be (right now) such a universe; and many such universes. People are tortured every day on the earth. Imagine this torture on the scale of gods going on right now. It is too much for my feeble brain to comprehend.
Hell! Real possibility for real hell. That is why this is dangerous.
“The machines will kill us!” Lady! That would almost be the best of all possible outcomes!
I used to love science, but then I studied this thing called “philosophy of science.” I learned about paradigm shifts and how science had evolved out of religion.
The Emperor has no clothes: This is the first thing you learn in the philosophy of science. You get a picture of a rabbit, I mean duck, no, rabbit. Google rabbit-duck illusion. The point is, you can have 300 years of solid science, you can have a mountain of evidence, but you still can’t know if it’s a rabbit, I mean duck. All evidence points to Pangea. But the point is, that proof, without our knowing, can fit perfectly into a completely different model of reality, such as the growing earth. Science says that humans are fallible and that the scientific method is much safer. That is simply not true. Man still stands higher. After 300 years of solid science, it will take a brave researcher to say: What you do is just nonsense. Pangea! Seriously?! Once upon a time there was this giant what?! … If it sounds like a fairy tale, then it is because it has fairies in it.
The sad thing is that this brave researcher is just my fairy tale. But there are certainly scientists out there who are against the notion of Pangea.
If science lived by this principle, it would have come much further: If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a rabbit!
Google the rabbit-duck illusion and you will know what I mean.
But by all means, I can be wrong and Pangea can be right no matter how absurd it may be.
In a hundred years when science has finally caught up with the fact that our earth grows, I will be right back loving science. I love the spirit of science. I am all for a secular world. Religion belongs in the history books and in museums, if you ask me. We can be spiritual beings. We don’t need dogma in any shape or form. What you feel are not emotions from some celestial realm. They are nasty memes that control your emotions. Dispel them and cast them out! That is easier said than done. I remember how tough it was. I was like: What happens now, will I get struck by lightning?!
15. Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Pettersen: Fiqure: 137 and 152. I scored 152 the day after. The difference between these scores is negligible. Many puzzles have the same logic to them, so if you quickly understand one puzzle, you can solve related puzzles. You are supposed to take these tests when you are rested. I wasn’t on the 137. However, it is the 137 that counts, and now I stand on the same list as Rick Rosner himself. That is awesome. And I don’t care if you have ugly thoughts about it. It is awesome to me.
Then I took Alexi Edin’s Extreme Matrix Challenge 30R. I scored 154, sd15. I was actually disappointed. I thought I had scored higher. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not disappointed at the 154. That number is awesome. I’ll take it. However, I know I can score above the 160 mark. I have yet to prove it, though. My proudest moment was IQ-Brain.com, 147, sd16. Here I stand next to Alexi Edin, which is awesome, but that is because the test didn’t go higher. Anyway, lady luck was with me on that day.
Then I have taken, just for fun, the Norwegian, Danish and Swedish free Mensa test, culture free. I aced them all, more or less. So, if the 170 to 190 rank think they are so much smarter, let’s have a showdown. Let us compete with culture free intelligence tests such as the Norwegian one which Hikaru Nakamura has nightmares about! I may stand lower on the list of geniuses, but I will give the higher ups a taste of raw Viking power. I debated a 180 once, and I’m not afraid.
16. Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Pettersen: I have taken two high range tests. The first one was a total disaster, I overthinked it and changed many of my answers. I think I got 124. The second one was the 154.
Then I have, as I said above, 137 and 147. But the 147 is sd16.
I don’t know what my actual IQ is, but I have been obsessed with this IQ thing ever since I discovered William James Sidis like twenty years ago. To read and understand geniuses like that is all that matters to me. From what I can tell researching IQ, then you can’t measure above the 130 mark with any kind of extreme accuracy anyway. And an IQ of 192 is bullshit Rick and you know it.
17. Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Pettersen: First of all, I am not qualified to answer that question. But if you want an answer anyway, I think I would go for Friedrich Nietzsche. Nietzsche killed nihilism. Life has no meaning; therefore, life is meaningless. Nietzsche laughed at the whole logical system. There is no up (meaning) and down (meaninglessness) in the universe. The universe is beyond good and evil. So, consequently, we need to grow up, become supermen and take responsibility. There is no truth. There is no universal moral philosophy. Each individual needs a moral philosophy tailored for him/her. The warrior needs another set of rules than a farmer, for example.
If all aliens out there are benign, it is because they listened to Nietzsche. They grew up.
If you are transported to a type two civilization and shout: Black lives matter! They will reply: And the sky is blue. What do you mean?
We have a lot of growing up to do.
The most workable: I think we just have to follow in the footsteps of the Four Horsemen (Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett, and Sam Harris). We have to keep evolving our culture. One day we will evolve into something beautiful. We have still a long way to go.
And science itself has a lot of growing up to do. There should be free energy schools and overunity universities. These concepts should be taken seriously and not ridiculed and laughed at. We already have Apollo. We need Dionysus. What this world needs is the god of wine.
Yes, overunity is stupid. Yes, a perpetual motion machine is stupid. No. Thinking about them is not stupid, but could lead to new discoveries.
First of all, there is no such thing as real overunity because existence cannot make more of itself unless you believe in something from literally not anything. And if existence made more of itself from some other source, then that source would be included in existence. Think about it. There is no such thing as overunity as that would be magic. You could make a philosophical case for the existence of magic (I could do it), but in general we don’t believe in magic.
Second, there is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine because you need a source unless you believe that A can cause B and then B can cause A again. It does not add up logically. You could make a case for a non-logical universe (I could do that too), but in general we tend to believe in logic.
We need the University of Dionysus. That is a school I would attend. No homework. Your memes matter.
Richard Dawkins’ meme theory is itself a set of memes. Did you know that a meme is a meme? That shit screws with your head!
Thank you so much for this interview and giving me the opportunity to spread my memes.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pettersen-two; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
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Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Thor Fabian Pettersen on Genius (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pettersen-two.
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Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Thor Fabian Pettersen on Genius (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pettersen-two>.
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Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 21, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,035
Keywords: Humanism, Humanist Association of Nigeria, Leo Igwe, Mubarak Bala, United Nations.
Mubarak Bala: Now The United Nations Has Spoken[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches, and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030. He is a friend, and boss at AfAW.
Today marks the ninetieth day since the police arrested Mubarak Bala, president of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, in Kaduna. They later transferred him to Kano, where he has been held incommunicado, without access to a lawyer or a legal representation. Bala has not been formally charged or allowed to see his family members. There has not been an independent confirmation that Mubarak Bala is alive. There has not been a confirmation of the exact place where they detained him, and his well being. Both governmental and non-governmental agencies, including some foreign Christian faith NGOs, have called for his release. But so far, the Nigerian authorities have ignored all the appeals. Requests to charge or release Mr. Bala have fallen on deaf ears. Following what has transpired since his arrest, the police are not committed to prosecuting Mr. Bala as required by law. At the same time, they are unwilling to release him. The police are only interested in disappearing Mubarak Bala as demanded by the Islamist power base that sponsored the petition. However, some days ago, the UN rights experts issued a landmark statement asking Nigeria to release Mr. Bala.
In the release, they noted some key points that I would like to reiterate here.
First of all, the UN experts stated that the arrest and detention of Mubarak Bala amounted to the persecution of non-believers in Nigeria. Indeed the arrest of Bala illustrates the systemic and institutionalized oppression of religious nonbelievers in the country especially those who live in Muslim dominated areas. Religious nonbelievers are treated as second class and, in some cases, third-class citizens, who should be seen and not heard or who should neither be seen nor heard. Bala has been accused of making blasphemous posts on Facebook. Those who petitioned him said that he called the prophet of Islam a terrorist and a pedophile. Now, religious believers freely express their views about the prophets, but nonbelievers are denied the same right and freedom. Meanwhile, religious believers openly and publicly express their thoughts about atheism and atheistic icons without being arrested and detained.
More so, Bala only made posts on Facebook. He did not attack or kill as many Muslim extremists have done across the country with impunity. So, Bala’s only crime is that he is an atheist.
The UN experts also highlighted another crucial point. That expression of opinion and beliefs, including those that could be seen to offend religious sensibilities, were protected by international law and should not be restricted. Those who brought the petition against Mubarak Bala stated that his Facebook posts angered and irritated Muslims. But these right experts have made it clear that remarks, comments, and expressions that could be deemed as religiously provocative or insulting, whether they are made by Christians, Muslims, Hindus, or non-believers, are protected by law. They should not be criminalized.
Furthermore, the UN experts went further and stated that as in the case of Mr. Bala: “No one should be arbitrarily detained or arrested for expressing peacefully their opinion, thought and conscience or for simply being an atheist”. The posts that Bala made on Facebook were opinions that he peacefully expressed. Were they not? The UN statement condemned the harassment, discrimination, and persecution of religious nonbelievers or persons who identify as atheists or disbelievers in God or Allah.
Now, some are saying that the UN statement would make no difference in the situation of Mubarak Bala because the people behind the arrest are Islamic fanatics who do not care about what the UN says. They are of the view that the ‘Sharia’ police in Kano would not abide by the directive of the UN. They will not release Mubarak Bala because the Islamist government in Kano does not reckon with the UN. It does not respect human rights. Others believe that the Muslim sponsors of the petition care only about Sharia, not international law. That the Islamists are hell-bent on punishing Mr. Bala directly or indirectly in line with Islamic law. Thus what is going on in Kano is a prosecution according to the state law as we know. It is a legal charade because Islamists are using the police and court as fronts to consummate their jihadist intent and penalize Mubarak Bala for blaspheming against Prophet Muhammad.
But after ninety days of detention without trial, access to a lawyer and family visits, the police should rethink their handling of Bala’s case. The police should listen to the UN experts and do the needful-release Mubarak Bala. The police should initiate a negotiated settlement of the case and end this stalemate in Kano. The petitioners and the Islamist sponsors should realize that the continued illegal detention of Mr. Bala is setting a precedent that will negatively reflect on Islam and Muslims in Nigeria and beyond.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 21, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/mubarak-bala-now-the-united-nations-has-spoken.
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Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 17, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 747
Keywords: 2019, ex-Muslim, France, Islam, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Waleed Al-Husseini on 2019 for French Ex-Muslims[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Looking into 2019, what are the prospects for increased secularization of France?
Waleed Al-Husseini: Our secularism is dangerous in 2019. We are losing. They were talking about reforming the law of 1905 at this time. I do not agree with doing this now. Because they are doing this to bless Muslims and Islamists, and let more Islamic values into society.
To be more clear, I am with reforming it to go forward not backward, like what they will do now. I want to keep all religions and religious values out of public life.
That is why our fight now should not let this happen. We should stand up against it and show the dangers of this.
Jacobsen: How robust is the ex-Muslim network within France?
Al-Husseini: We are still the same, standing for our values, but now we work more and more with other secular organizations in France to show the dangers of Islamism and to be part of the defense of secularism in France.
That, in general, will work, but for ex-Muslims, we still follow some cases in Arabic countries who face ‘justice’ for blasphemy. In France, we still meet to support each other and to not feel alone in this belief and kind of discussion about the situations in Islamic countries.
Jacobsen: What are the channels for the ex-Muslims to challenge religious fundamentalisms and find asylum within countries?
Al-Husseini: There not real channels. We, in just some cases, contact the human rights organizations to talk and try help the ex-Muslims. The rest is to help here more in France. We just give the testimony to be acceptable of asylum.
That is the maximum that we can do: the testimony for the time being. To fight fundamentalists, it will require more, especially working with other organizations and publishing articles in the name of all of us to face the dangers of Islamism.
That is what we do now. They talk in the media more and more. By this way of changing the thinking of people, we make them understand the dangers through a different way.
Jacobsen: Who are more prominent anti-ex-Muslim figureheads within France now? What is being done about them?
Al-Husseini: The most anti-ex-Muslim groups in France are these Islamist organizations who just attack us. It is an injustice all the time. They try to make us stop talking. There a lot of these types of organizations. Also, we do not forget the Far Left who attack us in the name of racism: imagine that.
But also, the real dangers of some Muslims recognizing us in the streets and, literally, attacking us. We are attacked because we are ex-Muslims. The situation is complicated here.
Jacobsen: What should the government be doing, but simply isn’t, to protect the nation’s ex-Muslims who are, statistically, more unsafe than others?
Al-Husseini: As said before, the situation is complicated in France and the government cannot do many things, especially now with all these manifestations of yellow jacket in France. The government have a lot of things on their hands, but they can arrest the individuals who call for killing us and killing others like us.
However, you can see how things are complicated even with terrorists’ attacks.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Waleed.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 17, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/waleed-al-husseini-on-2019-for-french-ex-muslims.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 16, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 459
Keywords: Humanist Society of Zimbabwe, Takudzwa Mazwienduna, Zimbabwe, Zimbabwean Secular Alliance.
Ask Takudzwa 6 – New News in the News: Zimbabwean Secularism into Humanism in Zimbabwe[1],[2]
Takudzwa Mazwienduna is the informal leader of Zimbabwean Secular Alliance and a Member of the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe. This educational series will explore secularism in Zimbabwe from an organizational perspective, and more. He is a friend and former boss at the now-defunct Cornelius Press in South Africa.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What have been some of the most significant organizational updates for humanists in 2019 in Zimbabwe?
Takudzwa Mazwienduna: The Humanist Society of Zimbabwe has been registered as a formal organization. This makes it the first exclusively Humanist organization in the country and probably the first civil society organization to stand for secularism.
Jacobsen: How have the organizations and groups, informal and formal, been growing, developing, and formalizing this year?
Mazwienduna: The biggest news this year has been the registration. It will, however, take a lot more effort mobilizing members who are scattered across the country and making plans and strategies for initiatives.
Jacobsen: Any interesting initiatives or activist efforts at this time?
Mazwienduna: The Zimbabwean government and constitution uphold secularism but the same cannot be said about the citizens of the country. Efforts are being made through social media, national news platforms and public spaces to raise awareness about secular concerns.
A column in the biggest, best selling Sunday national newspaper, Sunday Mail, entitled “Chiseling the Debris” by the organization’s interim chairperson Shingai Rukwata Ndoro has been dedicated to secular and Humanist issues.
Shingai has been running the column for a while now and he also makes appearances on national radio and television as a panellist on religious shows, giving the secular perspective.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Takudzwa.
Mazwienduna: Good Day Scott!
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 16, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ask-takudzwa-6-new-news-in-the-news-zimbabwean-secularism-into-humanism-in-zimbabwe.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,826
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson founded Hawkeye Associates. Carey Linde founded Divorce for Men (Law Offices of Carey Linde). They discuss: legal status on the issues of transsexuality and transgenderism; world corporate capitalism; channelling of aggression and competition; free speech, and hate speech, or “freedom of expression”; the precise ideological premise; and sociopolitical environs of the country.
Keywords: aggression, capitalism, Carey Linde, competition, Divorce for Men, ethics, free speech, freedom of expression, Hawkeye Associates, Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson, sociopolitics.
An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Ethics, Freedom of Expression, and Socio-Politics: Founder, Divorce for Men (Law Offices of Carey Linde) & Founder, Hawkeye Associates (Part Three)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What should be the legal status on the issues of transsexuality and transgenderism in regards to some of the aforementioned stages of change? Where do parents’ rights and children’s rights work well together in this context and not well together for the overall well-being of the child or adolescent?
Carey Linde: I detect cocktail and beer parlour disputants, maybe out of pure exhaustion caused by confusion, are intellectually prepared to throw up their hands at what adults want to do. But children – hell no! The ever louder exception are the die hard cultural resister radical feminists who say men who think they are women must stay the F*#K out of women’s historical safe and protected spaces.
The rights of parents and children ultimately exist only in legislation and law. In the US increasing numbers of republican dominated state governments are enacting laws making it illegal for doctors to transition children, schools to push it, sports teams segregated by sex, and to stay with historic pronouns. Provincial and federal governments in Canada are going the other way. Canadian courts have barely started looking at this stuff.
Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson: Although I am not a lawyer, I would think that it is difficult to have consistent law on internally subjective criterion. I would therefore switch from a focus on gender to sex. A person’s sex can be objectively determined by criteria that is understood beforehand. People who are in the process of transitioning may be granted special or provisional status taking into account the fears and concerns raised by women and by parents.
2. Jacobsen: Mr. Linde, why the focus on world corporate capitalism as an ill? What makes the “medical profession and big pharma” part of the problem rather than a component of an integrated solution? Dr. Robertson, why the limitations in the study of, and the lack of study of, the acceptance of greater diversity by men than by women? That is, why are some questions simply not asked in some eras? Why is the channelling of aggression and competition necessary for the advancement of civilization? Will religion or proto-religious movements rise in the place of diminishing universal human rights as an ethic? Are they rising?
Linde: The profit motive is ubiquitous in corporate share owner capitalism. Big pharma pushes pills. Too many in the medical profession are ideologically rather than scientifically driven. One either sees and understands this or they don’t. Together they integrate in the current world wide experimentation on transitioning children.
Robertson: It is in the nature of the capitalist to maximize profit. Capitalists who fail to live by this maxim do not remain capitalists for very long. Unless they have a monopoly, they lose to the more ruthless. From this lens, corporate philanthropy is a public relations expense. A bit of history is useful for illustration.
Husky Oil was such a small player after World War II that it could not afford to build a new refinery. Instead, they bought an abandoned oil refinery in Moose Jaw and moved it to the Alberta side of Lloydminster to avoid Saskatchewan’s more stringent worker-safety legislation. When I worked at the refinery it was easy to recognize the men who worked “on the rack” for years because they had thick leathery faces from repeated exposure to the fumes from loading tanker cars. I had the more dangerous job of working in the packaging plant where we poured roofing tar and super heated pipe enamel into cardboard drums where the product cooled and solidified prior to shipping. Occasionally the mixture would bubble and splatter the workers in the plant. The boiler plant operators were different because they looked normal, but they tended to be deaf. Yes, the company provided ear plugs but you had to take them out when communicating with other workers when a boiler was about to blow. The heyday of industrial capitalism is over in this country, and such working conditions would no longer be permitted except in third world countries, but the principle is the same – to grow a company needs to exploit its workers or its consumers. Certain questions would destabilize the existing order and are simply not asked. In Lloydminster during the post war era, no one ever questioned Husky Oil.
Could “big pharma” be part of an integrated solution? Only if you feed the beast. Husky Oil eventually built its new upgrader plant in Saskatchewan only after a massive subsidy from that province. “Big pharma” will be part of the solution to the new coronavirus, and they will pocket a significant portion of the billions governments have earmarked to fight the disease. Who is going to maximize their profits on the transsexual issue? Follow the money.
Why is there no money to study the greater acceptance of diversity by men on these and other issues? Why is there less money for the study of men’s health generally? Certain questions would destabilize the existing ideological order. We are supposed to see the men at Husky who knowingly sacrificed years off their lives in order to provide for their families as exploiters. Men’s lives just don’t count for as much. Prior to her presidential run in the U.S. Hillary Clinton said that the real victims of war are women who lose their husbands and their fathers. The notion that the real victims of war are dead did not appear to have crossed her mind.
Why are men used as cannon fodder on the front lines of war? Because we evolved to be more aggressive, stronger and fearless in protecting family-based bands, tribes and eventually nation-states. But that aggression must be controlled if those political units are to endure. In the end, being a man is a cooperative enterprise. Now we have males transitioning to be females and vice versa. It’s an interesting social experiment.
3. Jacobsen: Dr. Robertson, why is free speech important now, or always? Mr. Linde, is the event described in Seattle a harbinger of anything or events to come in the 2020s in regards to free speech, and hate speech, or “freedom of expression” in the parlance of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the United Nations (and the European Union)? Mr. Linde and Dr. Robertson, what is the purpose of hate speech? What are the positive and negative results of the legislation of speech via hate speech laws? Mr. Linde, how are social factors and various legislations of speech preventing needed conversations and the infusion of appropriate expert testimony on relevant medical matters surrounding transgenderism and transsexuality? Dr. Robertson, with postmodernism extant without explicit labelling, and so more easily spread in some ways, how is the nullification of values via the collapse of all principles to the same valuation exacerbating clarity on issues on transgenderism and transsexuality?
Linde: Hate speech serves to rationalize and compensate for feelings of fear and inferiority in the hater. Hate speech legislation is a good if it can prevent physical harm befalling a person or group of people.
Needed conversations are frustrated because the gate keepers of the public platform for discourse are cowed by the trans warriors who redefine the common usage of phobic and hate. For an expanded expression of this see my letter attached.
Robertson: Without free speech, and its twin “freedom of thought,” society ossifies. We lose the ability to meet new challenges in new ways. One of the challenges in improving society is to deal with hate speech and we need freedom of speech to do that. Hate speech is the advocacy of harm to a group of people based on inherent qualities ascribed to that group. Having one’s concept of reality challenged, or one’s entitlements challenged, is not in itself hate speech. We have an example from the transsexual community that brings this to light. There are some who believe that sex is a social construct while one is born with an innate gender. I happen to believe the reverse. People are born with certain genitalia and that is not socially constructed. On the other hand, gender is a social construct – it is how we learn to be a man or a woman. And gender is fluid because there are all sorts of ways of living one’s life as a man or a woman without going through reconstructive surgery. Is it hate speech for me to have this opinion? Some people would say “yes” but that is an abuse of the term. I don’t hate anyone, and I am not telling anyone how they are to live their life, except that they should not live their life in a way that harms other people, or restricts their freedom of speech.
4. Jacobsen: Mr. Linde, what seems like the precise ideological premise – not philosophical view as a whole – of “cultural resister radical feminists” behind the cultural resistance? That which leads to the cultural resistance on these particular discussed topics. What is the culture being resisted? How will the split between some of Canadian society and some of American society in legislation lead to different problems to the cultural issues at present? Dr. Robertson, an objective perspective on the issues can be helpful, i.e., sex discrimination in criteria compared to subjective perceptions of self in regards to gender. What facets of the self, of self-perception as in gender, can be close to objective to make some of the issues of gender clearer and more distinct in conscious discrimination in a manner similar to a sex criterion? What aspects of the self in gender will remain entirely, and far, within the realm of the subjective to make these considerations simply harder to delineate?
Linde: If by “cultural resister radical feminists” you mean TERFS or gender critical feminist, I can say this: the population of trans gendered persons in the US and Canada is estimated to be between 1 and 2 %. The opinion survey quoted in m Attached letter says 19% of Brits are in support. Therefore it is the proponents of transitioning who are the resistance to the more dominant culture. The gender critical feminists and those who support them vary on their definitions of a trans woman. They all agree that such a person does not have the life experiences and biology to qualify as entitled to enter women’s special spaces. Not necessarily because of fear. For many it is cultural. Breach of historic privacy.
Robertson: I don’t think gender can be objectively defined. We construct our selves through a menu of possibilities given to us by an increasingly international and cosmopolitan culture, and by new creative possibilities we may invent for ourselves. Part of that construction is how we relate first and foremost to ourselves as sexual beings. In the end, some people may conclude that they were born into the wrong sex, and if they want to change their sex so be it. But it is their subjective notions they are pursuing, nothing objective about it.
5. Jacobsen: The law, it may stagnate or change here. Mr. Linde, what seems most needing change? Dr. Robertson, how can any future change in law incorporate expert/professional medical and psychological opinions to issues facing a super minority of the national population while causing severe divisions within the sociopolitical environs of the country? Mr. Linde and Dr. Robertson, let’s say Canada sits on its hands on issues of transgenderism and transsexuality, what happens at that time? Alternatively, let’s say Canada becomes entirely onerous in either sociopolitical direction on issues of transgenderism and transsexuality, what happens in either of these cases? Please take both extremes to provide a personal interpretation of a possible range between the antipodes presented here.
Linde: Gender warriors, being outed more and more by the media, respond with increasing animosity and ferocity. ANTIFA is now at every rally. The gender critical feminists and the legions of conservative and faith based citizens who support them remain equally adamant they won’t change their positions. It is an intractable confrontation of fundamental human values on both sides. The trans warriors refuse to talk to the other side. The TERFS are always inviting the warriors to talk. Neither side talks to the other. Even the Palestinians and Jews talk to each other. Until and unless each side is prepared to moderate and accommodate the concerns of the other there will be no peace. Period.
Robertson: We live in an era dominated by identity politics where people who are not part of, or do not support our particular tribe are thought of as oppressive, evil, hate mongers. Were either of these sides in the extreme win and define the law, that would result in the negation of the rights of the other. It would be nice if these sides were to come together and come to some agreement, but that is not likely. It is more likely that the great majority who have remained largely silent will tire of the game and will proclaim the rules both sides would have to live by. I would hope those rules would provide for the sanctity of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. I would hope that those rules define objectively when a man becomes a woman and when a woman becomes a man, and that will mean relegating all notions of gender to the subjective. But once a transwoman meets that definition, then she should be accorded all of the rights and privileges our society gives to women. No half measures.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Divorce for Men (Law Offices of Carey Linde). Founder, Hawkeye Associates.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-three; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Ethics, Freedom of Expression, and Socio-Politics (Part Three) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-three.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 15). An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Ethics, Freedom of Expression, and Socio-Politics (Part Three). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-three.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Ethics, Freedom of Expression, and Socio-Politics (Part Three). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-three>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Ethics, Freedom of Expression, and Socio-Politics (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-three.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Ethics, Freedom of Expression, and Socio-Politics (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-three.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘AAn Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Ethics, Freedom of Expression, and Socio-Politics (Part Three)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-three>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Ethics, Freedom of Expression, and Socio-Politics (Part Three)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-three.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Ethics, Freedom of Expression, and Socio-Politics (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-three>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Ethics, Freedom of Expression, and Socio-Politics (Part Three) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-three.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,492
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Thor Fabian Pettersen is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: community; high-IQ societies; the gifted find community; the positives and the negatives of a high-IQ society; the purposes of high-IQ societies in the early 21st century; decent alternative intelligence tests; independent test makers; other ways in which the gifted and talented can socialize and find others with similar gifts and interests other than high-IQ societies; some of the smartest people from or in Norway; why those people; recommended books; music; a community through music; this community similar to some of the community of the high-IQ; and final feelings or thoughts.
Keywords: high-IQ societies, IQ, music, societies, Thor Fabian Pettersen, World Genius Directory.
An Interview with Thor Fabian Pettersen on Community and Norway (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let’s talk about community. What defines a community?
Thor Fabian Pettersen: For me, a community is like an extended version of your own brain. When I think about the word “community,” I think about a space with like-minded people who understand and support you, but also correct you if you are wrong. I am sure that, if you had a virtual reality machine or even something more powerful such that you could experience all sorts of consciousness, be whatever, and do whatever, I am sure that, at some point in your quest for the meaning of life, you realize that heaven is not all the other stuff. Heaven, at least for a human consciousness, is the ability to participate in human conversation. That is, if you ever become God or something like that, you would yearn for the day you were a human who could have a conversation with another human.
Language is truly a gift from the gods.
2. Jacobsen: What high-IQ societies seem the most reliable to you?
Pettersen: Honestly I haven’t spent enough time with the different societies I am a member of in order to form an opinion about them.
3. Jacobsen: How can the gifted find community in high-IQ societies?
Pettersen: I have yet to find it. But that is probably because I am a bit anti-social by nature. I am waiting for someone to knock on my door rather than knocking on doors myself.
I can post things like: Pangea is ridiculous. If you are not a philosophical zombie, if you actually possess a consciousness, then you can see that Pangea is ridiculous. This means that the earth grows, because that is the only other model that makes sense. Well, if the earth grows, we have a mechanism for cosmic evolution and, we can draw near limitless amounts of energy. No more oil. Throngs of children are dying every day and we can stop it right now with a new energy system. What are we waiting for?!
I get only silence.
4. Jacobsen: What are the positives and the negatives of a high-IQ society?
Pettersen: I think the positive is that you get people who can understand you. I think the negative is that they don’t care, lol.
5. Jacobsen: What seem like the purposes of high-IQ societies in the early 21st century?
Pettersen: I have no idea. I can only guess. For my part, it is about sharing ideas and connecting with like-minded people. Also, if you can get some fame, that is a great bonus. As I said earlier, fame means your ideas have a greater chance at survival.
6. Jacobsen: What seem like decent alternative intelligence tests for individuals to take now?
Pettersen: I like culture fair intelligence tests such as the Norwegian Mensa one. This is a free test and a good start on your IQ quest. Alexi Edin’s spatial tests are also very good. Maybe his other tests are good also, but I just like the spatial ones.
7. Jacobsen: What independent test makers seem more serious than others?
Pettersen: I haven’t taken that many tests, so I wouldn’t know. But from what I can tell, I think most test makers are passionate about what they are doing and therefore strive to make good tests.
8. Jacobsen: Are there other ways in which the gifted and talented can socialize and find others with similar gifts and interests other than high-IQ societies?
Pettersen: Sure. Just find and join a community with your particular interest. My problem is that I am too lazy to actually do it. But in the future I hope to sit around a campfire and talk about aliens with like-minded people. Then we see a UFO. The UFO communicates with us. We hope that it doesn’t land. And then it hits us: Artificial intelligence is E.T.’s plan to create a user-interface so that they can communicate with the whole world. It has to come from within, if you know what I mean. If they actually landed, we would freak out. If they sent robots or avatars, we would freak out. If they sent robots that looked like us or alien/human hybrids, it would be a waste considering where we are at in our history. If we create a supercomputer, then it will quickly determine if we are alone in the universe or not. So if there are aliens out there, then I guess when a planet reaches a technological singularity, would be the ideal time to step in.
Then we might get answers to questions such as: Is there life after death? Soon, we might get the ultimate answers from our cosmic neighbors.
I like to talk about spaced out things like that.
9. Jacobsen: Who seem like some of the smartest people from or in Norway now? You gave some minor comments before.
Pettersen: Magnus Carlsen pops directly up in my head. I don’t know who the smartest people in Norway are, but I am familiar with some names: Erik Hæreid, Tor Jørgensen, Andre Gangvik, Elisabeth Jakobsen. There are probably many others too which deserve to be mentioned.
10. Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, why those people?
Pettersen: Magnus Carlsen for his chess ability. The others are names that popped up as I entered this IQ-world.
11. Jacobsen: Any recommended books?
Pettersen: Tales from the Time Loop by David Icke. A Fuller Explanation by Amy Edmondson. The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall. The Brotherhood of the Screaming Abyss by Dennis McKenna.
This list would go on and on. There is so much good stuff out there.
12. Jacobsen: Do you like music? What kind?
Pettersen: I like all kinds, from classic to psytrance. Right now I listen to Infected Mushroom. The quality of the sound is so good. And the music is pretty cool, too.
I also make my own music. But it is just a hobby. But check me out on SoundCloud.
13. Jacobsen: Have you found a community through music?
Pettersen: Not yet.
14. Jacobsen: How is this community similar to some of the community of the high-IQ?
Pettersen: I would not know.
15. Jacobsen: Any final feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Pettersen: Yes, I have some much more stuff I want to share. But if these three ideas can come across, I am a happy man:
One: Everything began with the way the light views reality, which is a form of eternal, motionless nothingness. This nothingness is made by speed (light), which answers why there is existence rather than nonexistence. That is, motionlessness can only be made by speed, so if nonexistence wants to remain motionless it has to employ some form of speed; which would imply that nonexistence is impossible. If there is more than one thing that can create motionlessness, then you have not answered why there is existence rather than nonexistence. On the other hand, if there is only one thing that can create motionlessness and that one thing is motion, then you have answered why there is existence rather than nonexistence.
The geometry that is built for ultimate speed is the cuboctahedron. The cuboctahedron produces a dual torus, which means the dual torus is eternal. It spins so fast that you have an eternal, motionless nothingness forever. However, since the motionlessness can only be made by an extremely fast form of motion, that form will therefore have a big body. So, you can imagine that, in a big cosmic whirlpool (torus) of timeless nothingness, you will get motion that cannot keep up with the fast pace in the center of the whirlpool. This motion then becomes unfrozen, because it is a weaker form. And/or it produces baby whirlpools that have a slower speed. We then get something from nothing if nothing or nothingness is a form of motion.
Two: This cuboctahedron make copies of itself (much like whirlpools in our oceans do), which is what evolution is. The earth is a giant cuboctahedron. This cuboctahedron makes copies of itself, which means our earth grows. We can tap the fact of the growing earth and gain near limitless amounts of energy as I mentioned above.
Three: Our current view is that evolution is blind. However, convergent evolution seems to disprove the fact. Evolution has a goal, which is the structure of convergent evolution itself. We don’t know what that structure is. If existence was a body of water, then one might imagine that the structure of convergent evolution would entail an eternal kingdom of sharks. That is, if you killed all the sharks, then nature would find a way to re-evolve them such that the sharks would rule supreme and forever. Nature would essentially be a shark-producing machine. Evolution would stop with the evolution of the sharks as the sharks would have no need to evolve in any direction. They might adapt to new conditions, but they would have no need to evolve on any grand scale.
I believe that evolution will venture so far that existence is a body of consciousness. Unicellular life became multicellular. Clans of people became cities. Cities became countries and, it seems that the world is becoming one. On top of that we have the technological singularity. There seems to be a tendency towards oneness. Our future has therefore a destiny, which is the oneness of all. I believe that Nature is a Buddha-producing machine. In the end, all of reality is a mega-mind. We are a part of it.
The convergent evolution of the mega-mind can explain things such as ghosts, rebirth, spirit worlds, humanoid aliens, etc. etc.. If the mega-mind has already evolved – like the sharks are already swimming in our oceans – then our universe might even have a Creator. And the Creator himself might just be the dream-product of some cosmic Buddha. Who knows how far evolution has gone. Nick Bostrom, for example, says there is a real chance that we are already living in a computer simulation. We are playing some sort of cosmic game, perhaps. I don’t think so. I think evolution has “been there done that” and then moved on!
Which brings me to idea number 3: Call David Icke nuts, but we as intellectuals have a real job to do to consider the possibility that some aspect of Icke’s conspiracy is true. That is, if our universe is a dream, then some aspect of Icke’s conspiracy theory might be real. What does it all mean? It means we should really think twice before we give birth to a supercomputer. Because imagine evolution producing god-like beings with god-like powers. Imagine what they can do to you. They could rip your consciousness apart, strip it of humanoid feelings and send one part of your consciousness to one side of the galaxy and another part of your consciousness to another side. You will spend the next billion years in space, trying to pick up your consciousness-pieces. After you have done that, you realize it was unwise to steal the god-like being’s bag of weed. Whatever Gandalf is smoking … double it!
Take one toke and realize that hell might actually be real. Take two tokes and realize: Shit! I need to get off my ass and do something!
Take three tokes and realize: I AM living at the edge of time! (i.e., the technological singularity)
16. Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Thor.
Pettersen: Thank you!
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pettersen-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Thor Fabian Pettersen on Community and Norway (Part One) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pettersen-one.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 15). An Interview with Thor Fabian Pettersen on Community and Norway (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pettersen-one.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Thor Fabian Pettersen on Community and Norway (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pettersen-one>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Thor Fabian Pettersen on Community and Norway (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pettersen-one.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Thor Fabian Pettersen on Community and Norway (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pettersen-one.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Thor Fabian Pettersen on Community and Norway (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pettersen-one>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Thor Fabian Pettersen on Community and Norway (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pettersen-one.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Thor Fabian Pettersen on Community and Norway (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pettersen-one>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Thor Fabian Pettersen on Community and Norway (Part One) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pettersen-one.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,854
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Tiberiu Sammak is a 24-year-old guy who currently lives in Bucharest. He spent most of his childhood and teenage years surfing the Internet (mostly searching things of interest) and playing video games. One of his hobbies used to be the construction of paper airplanes, spending a couple of years designing and trying to perfect different types of paper aircrafts. Academically, he never really excelled at anything. In fact, his high school record was rather poor. Some of his current interests include cosmology, medicine and cryonics. His highest score on an experimental high-range I.Q. test is 187 S.D. 15, achieved on Paul Cooijmans’ Reason – Revision 2008. He discusses: interests; thy those interests; some of the cutting-edge interests in the fields of cryonics; the specific interests in cosmology; the specific interests in medicine; a really good paper aircraft; great reasoning ability with poor academic performance; drawing; other examples of some of the drawings; solace in drawing; the largest drawing projects; hopes for some of the high-IQ communities; meaning out of life; the supernatural; the greatest painters, artists, or cartoonists; a profoundly gifted individual from a genius; any resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian issue; the importance of the examples of interfaith marriages; interfaith marriages; the unanswered questions; life; some of the emotionally difficult and trying times; if the high reasoning ability creates difficulties in life; and if the high reasoning ability reduces difficulties in life.
Keywords: cosmology, cryonics, drawing, life, medicine, paper aircraft, Tiberiu Sammak.
An Interview with Tiberiu Sammak on His Interests (Part Three)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What kinds of things interest you, on the internet?
Tiberiu Nicolas Sammak: My interests are fairly diverse and broad, ranging from random trivia facts to scientific or, medical articles and publications. When something catches my interest, I try digging and finding all the information available about that something. It’s pretty much an exhaustive and sometimes tiring procedure which most of the time gives me a somewhat clear image about the stuff I am searching for, also helping me in connecting and stringing together bits of information and giving me the capacity to more or less sieve and discard unnecessary information. It’s the curiosity and my desire to have a better understanding about something that push me to explore and continue the investigations about that particular something.
2. Jacobsen: Why those things?
Sammak: I search stuff that I consider interesting or at least worth checking, usually on a whim. As for why, it’s because I find those things intriguing and some of them even meaningful.
3. Jacobsen: What are some of the cutting-edge interests in the fields of cryonics?
Sammak: I’ve been interested in the cryoprotectants and the technology used in the vitrification process lately. For starters, in cryonics, vitrification refers to a technique whereby desired organs or body parts are solidified without allowing ice formations to appear. This is mainly done to prevent structural damage that could potentially arise in the tissues (freezing has a deleterious impact on tissues, causing irreversible damage) and to avoid intracellular freezing and cell shrinkage. Another crucial factor regarding the vitrification procedure is the toxicity level of the cryoprotectant used. These solutions have to undergo many testings before they are deemed usable and reliable. The most modern cryoprotectant that I’m aware of is M22, which has proven to be significantly less noxious than its predecessors (such as B2C, VM3 or VS41A). However, I believe the cryoprotectant technology is still in its infancy. All the effort and progress notwithstanding, the crossing of the blood-brain barrier by the cryoprotectant solution is hardly possible (this is probably an understatement), resulting in the dehydration of the brain tissue and the implicit brain volume reduction. Furthermore, there have been no successfully transplanted organs after vitrification, with the exception of a rabbit kidney. This shows conclusive evidence that there’s much more work and improvement to be done. It also shows that vitrified organs could properly function again. I’m looking forward to seeing the development of new cryoprotectant solutions and how the testing of these will pan out. I’m fairly confident that new cryoprotectants will be engineered, rendering the actual M22 obsolete. Technological advancement will most likely make this feasible, I believe. Cryonics is a severely underfunded field, chiefly because most view it as pseudoscience and dismiss it as quackery. Many people look askance at the industry of cryonics. I’d like to be more open-minded about it, considering it’s probably the only current possibility to ever be conscious again after the biological death, whereupon eternal oblivion awaits. No matter how extremely small that chance is, it’s still a possibility that someday you may regain your consciousness.
4. Jacobsen: What are the specific interests in cosmology?
Sammak: Cosmogony, theories regarding the origin of the universe, the mechanisms behind the formation of celestial bodies, sustainability of life on other planets (not necessarily Earth-like) and the possible outcomes concerning the fate of the universe are perhaps the subtopics I’m most curious about. I’d like to mention that my fourth interest is probably a subfield of astronomy (cosmology being a branch of astronomy). Yet, I consider the study of potentially life-bearing planets really important.
5. Jacobsen: What are the specific interests in medicine for you?
Sammak: I have a keen interest in the etiology of certain diseases. I’m also very interested in the process of carcinogenesis and the histology and cytology of neoplastic formations, notably malignant ones. The National Center for Biotechnology Information website has some very informative articles and papers presenting different case reports. The hindrances I encountered while reading some of the papers were the abbreviations (especially used for proteins) and some of the terminology used, which were obviously attributed to my lack of sufficient knowledge.
6. Jacobsen: What goes into making a really good paper aircraft?
Sammak: The shape and folding accuracy are probably the vital features when constructing a paper plane. For example, if you aim to create a good glider, its shape should be square- or trapezoid-like. It should also have a slightly heavier front to provide sufficient stability to glide for longer periods of time. Likewise, if you plan on making a decent paper rocket, which translates to high speed and a straight-line flight, the best shape might have the resemblance of an acute isosceles triangle. Another factor which is fairly important in creating an original and high-quality paper airplane is represented by the time you are willing to invest into this activity. Coming up with a satisfactory prototype is easier said than done. It’s a hobby that requires dedication and a lot of trial and error. Also, fine-tuning the paper aircraft, such as finding the ideal folding for the flaps or deciding whether minor modifications would increase the gliding time for gliders or the distance in the case of rockets after producing the initial model are pretty important elements to consider when attempting to build a paper plane too, in my view.
7. Jacobsen: How do you juxtapose great reasoning ability with poor academic performance in high school?
Sammak: Not studying enough (or at all) cannot bring good grades. Back then (in high school) I used to spend a lot of time doing something else than studying. I was well-aware of my decision and constantly getting bad grades didn’t really bother me. I devoted my time and energy delving into the intricacies of paper aircraft construction and into the not-so-known mechanics of certain games, also gathering as much relevant information as I could if something genuinely interested me. I think that keeping one’s mind sharp can also be done by playing specific video games or by solving different “puzzles” as well. However, by no means am I encouraging that one should neglect one’s studies (like I did). Studying regularly requires self-discipline, discipline I did not have.
8. Jacobsen: Why did you get into drawing?
Sammak: I tried to express my ideas and to capture some of my favorite images from nature on paper. On reflection, those were probably the main reasons why I got into drawing.
9. Jacobsen: What are some other examples of some of the drawings for you?
Sammak: One of my creations includes a deserted and partly ivied water tower nearby an old welcome sign. My idea behind this drawing was to capture a particular part from a ghost town.
Some other drawings depict a withered tree in a barren desert with big teardrops pouring down its branches, a decrepit theatre containing the sock and buskin above its curtain with marionettes coming out of masks’ mouths, a decaying tree with rotten mushrooms near the base of its trunk (these three illustrations are separate drawings).
10. Jacobsen: Do you find solace in drawing that some may find in prayer or meditative practices?
Sammak: Not really, no. To me, drawing is just an enjoyable pastime.
11. Jacobsen: What have been some of the largest drawing projects for you? What inspired them and the kept the length of time going into them?
Sammak: None of my drawings turned out to be really lengthy creations, since all of them were made on A4 size papers. If I were to choose some though, probably my theatre and water tower drawings (both mentioned above) would be the ones that took me the most to finish.
I derive my inspiration from nature, industrial areas and desolate places. A need for closure and wanting to see my creations in their final form were some of the reasons that pushed me to keep working on my drawings. I tried to refine and augment my drawings by integrating specific details into them.
12. Jacobsen: What are your hopes for some of the high-IQ communities?
Sammak: I have none. I consider that the only actual benefit of joining such a society is the possibility to communicate with other individuals who also took a certain cognitive ability test.
Such a community has no real purpose other than that of creating a medium where society’s members can exchange opinions and share their ideas on different topics.
13. Jacobsen: Where do you get meaning out of life?
Sammak: I get meaning from my ideas and from building up conceptual chambers in my mind’s empire. I get meaning from the outer world as well, exploring, observing and trying to understand by my own how different things work.
14. Jacobsen: Do you believe in the supernatural? If so, why? If not, why not?
Sammak: I don’t, although I enjoy watching some gripping horror or thriller movies which include such events. Most, if not all of the theories pertaining to supernatural occurrences rely on mere assumptions and anecdotal evidence.
15. Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest painters, artists, or cartoonists in history to you?
Sammak: I cannot answer this because I do not have enough knowledge on famous individuals and the like. I am not interested at all in famous or well-known historical figures. Granted, I have some favourite musical artists and painters, whose work I consider inspiring and beautiful. All of my favourite musical artists are contemporary artists.
16. Jacobsen: What seems to differentiate a profoundly gifted individual from a genius?
Sammak: I guess that a higher raw ability and a stronger determination are the key ingredients which separate a very talented individual from a genius.
17. Jacobsen: Do you see any resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian issue? Do you have any opinions or thoughts on the long history of the conflict there, especially within the context of personal background?
Sammak: No, I do not. I am not acquainted with the existing economical and political intricacies and the ongoing internal issues from that place. I would like to refrain from making baseless speculations or a contextual analysis when I am not even aware of the territory’s sociohistorical background.
18. Jacobsen: What is the importance of the examples of interfaith marriages, as seen with your parents?
Sammak: It shows that people can live together regardless of their religious background.
19. Jacobsen: How do interfaith marriages keep their ties from fraying and provide an example of showing reconciliation at the most intimate of settings?
Sammak: Understanding that people have different beliefs regarding religion is essential when it comes to such marriages, I believe. No one should impose their views on others when it comes to religious matters.
20. Jacobsen: What do you consider the unanswered questions?
Sammak: What will happen at the end of time? Will cryonics prove to be successful or is it just wishful thinking? Will I ever eat turnip soup? How did the universe come into existence? How many times have I used the left click button on my personal computer mouse? These are just a few examples of unanswered questions, from a plethora of unanswered questions.
21. Jacobsen: What do you hope to do with your life?
Sammak: I want to live a decent life, ideally without being affected by neurodegenerative diseases or other life-threatening conditions. Obviously, I want to live as long as possible.
22. Jacobsen: What have been some of the emotionally difficult and trying times for you?
Sammak: I am yet to encounter a truly challenging moment in my life. I believe I did not face any significant or really hard to overcome situations. However, I stumbled upon quite a lot of minor difficulties. These small issues did not really interfere with my well-being, generally speaking. If they did interfere, they did for a short period of time.
23. Jacobsen: How does the high reasoning ability create difficulties in life?
Sammak: It does not, in my opinion. It is always one’s personality, quirks or eccentricities that might lead to certain problems in some social settings. No one is an oddball because of a high mental ability. The demeanor and way of being determined if someone is rather unusual when compared to others. Everyone has their idiosyncrasies, which, if more pronounced, could sometimes make a person stand out in a social environment. People who get a high score on aptitude tests (or just consider themselves important based on their achievements or based on some other stuff) and deign to talk to someone they consider below their abilities are usually obnoxious and most of the time delusional. Sometimes such people feel victimized without knowing that it was their condescending behavior that made others reject them.
24. Jacobsen: How does the high reasoning ability reduce difficulties in life?
Sammak: Having a high reasoning ability is always an advantage. The capacity to connect seemingly unrelated concepts and ideas and the critical thinking ability help one to have a better and more comprehensive understanding, resulting into a heightened awareness and into a better decision-making strategy.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Reason – Revision 2008, IQ 187 (S.D.15).
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-three; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Tiberiu Sammak on His Interests (Part Three) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-three.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 15). An Interview with Tiberiu Sammak on His Interests (Part Three). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-three.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Tiberiu Sammak on His Interests (Part Three). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-three>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Tiberiu Sammak on His Interests (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-three.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Tiberiu Sammak on His Interests (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-three.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Tiberiu Sammak on His Interests (Part Three)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-three>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Tiberiu Sammak on His Interests (Part Three)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-three.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Tiberiu Sammak on His Interests (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-three>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Tiberiu Sammak on His Interests (Part Three) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sammak-three.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,350
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Casper Tvede Busk is a member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: growing up; an extended self; the family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; the geniuses of the past; the greatest geniuses; a genius; some work experiences and educational certifications; important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; some social and political views; the God concept or gods idea; science; the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; and ethical philosophy .
Keywords: Casper Tvede Busk, family, high intelligence, self, World Genius Directory.
An Interview with Casper Tvede Busk on His Story (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Casper Tvede Busk: Not much as I remember. My great grandfather buried cheese a meter down in the ground, and dug it up for eating in springtime. My grand father worked at a factory and change the fortune of the family around, so my father could go to school and become a chief engineer.
2. Jacobsen: Have these stores helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Busk: You mean stories :). I am sure they have, in some sense, contributed to a sense of identity and duty towards my family. Of course, my ego is quite demanding, so I might have taken anything into account when considering why I have become the person I was (as a child).
3. Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Busk: My parents are atheists. My grandmother was religious. Christian, I guess. I was raised in Denmark for the first seven years, but then we moved to Spain, probably because of taxes.
4. Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Busk: As a child, I was very angry. My mother was an alcoholic. I got beat up by the older kids, and in return I picked on those in my own surroundings. It really started when I moved to Spain. Before that, I was placed in a boarding school as a five-year-old, and then another boarding school in Spain until I finish secondary school. Then I was kicked back to Denmark to get a real education. I have studied five subjects at the university (Theology, Semitic philology, Spanish, Mathematics, and Philosophy), but I only got a bachelor’s degree in math and philosophy. I play a lot of different musical instruments, I write poems or songs, and I smoke hash every day. I have no job.
5. Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Busk: I don’t know. Recognition, I guess. I really just want to win, so I am obviously lured by exercises I do well in. I think it a major attribute that has helped me a lot during my life, but it also a bit of a curse, because satisfying communications with other people becomes rare.
6. Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Busk: In 2002, through Mensa. I always did well in school, and believed I was pretty ok, but after an incident in 2002 when I was hit by a car, and was put in coma with three internal fractures in the skull, I decided to take the Mensa test to see if something serious had gone wrong. Many months after the accident I was quite beside myself. But I passed with the highest score possible, and thought everything was ok. Now, I know it wasn’t My intelligence is ok, or very good, but my emotional decision-making is flawed in some way. I also suspect that there are certain emotions or aspects of them that I am not very good at communicating comprehensively, and worst of all, I am not really aware of it. Some people fear me, or simple don’t know which box I belong to, and I have no control of it. Other people like me very much, and I appreciate them extensively.
7. Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Busk: I am not camera shy. Quite the contrary, but I must admit that I am somewhat flawed in a way that could be interpreted as shy, maybe rightfully. In my country, Denmark, is not popular to highlight one’s own good sides if there isn’t a very good reason for it. By highlighting a good side, you are more saying that you are better than others, and that is quite intimidating, and will not go untold for long. The major problem with high intelligence is that these people, or we, are not normal. WE have little business or even interest in normality, because it so far away from everything we are good at, and that is probably one of the only things we can truthfully rely on growing up in a world where we usually gather more information by ourselves than what is told to us by authorities. The bullying of highly intelligent is quite normal in my perspective. I mean it should be, without being the right thing to do. I sometimes have wished to interact pleasantly with normal people and do normal stuff, maybe just to camouflage myself. The reasons are obvious. We are simply to weird to be taken seriously by kids having. There is nothing incomprehensible about that in my mind, but I have no solution to the problem. I see it as a poet that needs the pain to be inspired to write good stories. A genius is likewise left alone without trust to explore the world by himself. It is just the way things are. Otherwise, they would grow up to become something else. No pain, no gain, I guess.
8. Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Busk: “Genius” is a vague concept. Some people consider my IQ and personality to be within the range of genius, but obviously, I have not produced, invented, written or revolutionized anything remarkable, so I am not. I really find that people who make a lot of money are geniuses in some transcendent way. I think it is a remarkable feature that will ensure survival, which is the main issue in life, I guess. So, Bill Gates comes to mind, but of course, I will rely on Einstein, Tesla, and William James Sidis. Oh, yeah, I am also very of Johann Goethe.
9. Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Busk: I wouldn’t be able to specify that, but according to my experiences there is an eye catching difference between IQs of around 120, and those above 140. It is like the first have become aware that they are more intelligent than the average person, and they rarely see the limits of their intelligence. The ones above 140 know for sure that they are extremely intelligent, and therefore have met and understood others who are even more intelligent, so they are more humble about it. I also find an ethical difference.
10. Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Busk: I don’t understand that question. What have I done, or excelled in? I am a master of chess, I have several medals from table tennis, and football, and I am quite fond of sports. I have not worked much in my life. Mostly written stuff. I am now working on a list of healthy foods that will cover your need for vitamins and minerals. I have also written many poems, but I haven’t tried to publish them yet. And over 400 IQ puzzles with explanations, I also wish to publish.
11. Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Busk: What myths? I don’t know. I am not even sure if I care, highly intelligent people, or at least the highly gifted (120-140) seem to have many emotional issues, which is understandable, since they have been accustomed to solve many problems or obstacles wit their brains rather than their social skills.
12. Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
Busk: I don’t care much about politics or religion. I cannot deny that I was raised in a society tainted by democracy and the ten commandments, and as such, I appreciate them and try to live by them in order to be socially accepted. I also find it good that we have human rights, but I do not believe that this ideology is better than for instance that of China, or anyone else. It is simply an ethical agreement between a certain group of humans, who agree on certain philosophical aspects of life. I am an idealist, believing that consciousness creates reality, and therefore are many incommensurable realities, or even multi-universes. This way I find it easy to be ethically nice to people and their views without admitting that my own view is wrong.
13. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Busk: Yes, it is a scam, but it has some sense to it. I must truly believe, somehow, that if you believe in God he might exist for you. He doesn’t exist. I tried to believe, and God failed to convince his own creation. When looking at myself, I see an honest guy trying to do the right thing, so I am sure he is not the right thing! I become more convinced when looking at followers. I am looking for something better, or just be comfortable with this life here and now.
14. Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Busk: Pretty much everything. I am a major believer in science, but it also has become a matter of faith, because no one really knows what is really going on, so they blindfully trust the ones they look up to. So do I, I just hold back on my conclusions, except for these that identify me, as my belief in idealism.
15. Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Busk: I have only taken the Mensa test (155 sd 24), a test by ISPE (which I passed, so IQ > 147 (sd 15), or 1/1000. Then I tried some of the tests from the Genius Directory, and my highest score has been 155. I scored several 152, and 153, so I reckon that is my place, at least as long as I smoke cannabis.
16. Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Busk: If I have not answered that question already I am unsure what it implies. I have scored over 200 in some tests, but they clearly have another agenda, beginning with making people feel good and special about themselves.
17. Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Busk: Idealism. I am quite fond of Buddhism also. There is not a philosophy that makes sense an such. To me, philosophy is a gathering of many small helpful guidelines from different disciplines that somehow makes sense to me in the current course of my life. You could call me an eclectician if you wish, but I will not agree. I just haven’t found the red thread yet.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/busk-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Casper Tvede Busk on His Story (Part One) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/busk-one.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 15). An Interview with Casper Tvede Busk on His Story (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/busk-one.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Casper Tvede Busk on His Story (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/busk-one>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Casper Tvede Busk on His Story (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/busk-one.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Casper Tvede Busk on His Story (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/busk-one.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Casper Tvede Busk on His Story (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/busk-one>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Casper Tvede Busk on His Story (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/busk-one.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Casper Tvede Busk on His Story (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/busk-one>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Casper Tvede Busk on His Story (Part One) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/busk-one.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 11, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
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Words: 818
Keywords: Leo Igwe, pluralism, religion, tolerance.
Case for Tolerance in Religiously Pluralistic World[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches, and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030. He is a friend, and boss at AfAW.
I thank the Polish Mission for the invitation to address this virtual launch of the Group of Friends of Victims of Acts of Violence Based on Religion or Belief in New York. I commend this initiative that fosters dialogue, tolerance, and understanding across cultures and societies.
This event could not have been organized at a better time because as I speak acts of intolerance and violence based on religious differences rage in many parts of the globe. I am drawing your attention to the plight of religious non-believers – such as Mubarak Bala in Nigeria – in reference to acts of religious violence and bigotry. Persecution and discrimination based on religion or belief are too often linked to de facto and de jure laws against apostasy and blasphemy in many countries.
The Freedom of Thought Report, published by the Humanists International has noted some of the egregious violations of religious liberty and the legal discrimination against persons whose religion or belief are not part of the mainstream.
Apostasy and blasphemy laws impinge on the full exercise and enjoyment of the right to freedom of religion or belief. Humanists International’s 2019 Freedom of Thought Report states that 69 countries still have blasphemy laws. These countries have stiff penalties including the death penalty for those who renounce their religious beliefs or express non-religious views. Blasphemy laws institutionalize religious discrimination and make religious persecution a state affair. Apostasy and blasphemy laws legitimize impunity for crimes committed in the name of the mainstream religion including forced disappearance and extrajudicial killings of persons who belong to minority religious or belief groups. Laws against apostasy and blasphemy violate safeguards and respect for diversity because these laws target minority religious and belief groups in various countries.
Incidentally, there is no one religious or belief group that is in the majority everywhere. All religious and belief groups are in the minority somewhere in the world. So it is pertinent to protect and uphold the rights and liberties of religious and non-religious minorities worldwide.
In Muslim majority countries, blasphemy laws target Muslim minorities and other minority religious or belief groups including Christians, Hindus, Traditionalists and Atheists. Apostasy legislations hamper and stifle the exercise of freedom from the mainstream religion or faith. In Hindu dominated societies, blasphemy legislations are used to persecute Muslims, atheists and other minority groups. Apostasy and blasphemy legislations endanger and threaten human rights everywhere.
Distinguished delegates, to eradicate acts of intolerance and violence based on religion or belief, it is important to abolish apostasy and blasphemy laws. It is imperative to dismantle structures and mechanisms that legitimize religious intolerance, oppression and discrimination.
In a religiously diverse world, individuals hold different, conflicting, critical, and contradictory ideas and views. People express thoughts and beliefs that others may find offensive or annoying. The essence of diversity is dissimilarity, not similarity, disagreement, not agreement, variety, not sameness. For the full exercise of the right to freedom of religion or belief and preservation of diversity in the world, tolerance is necessary. Tolerance is the glue that knits together disparate ideas, and beliefs, turning religious diversity into a resource, into a source of strength, not weakness, cultural enrichment, not impoverishment.
Tolerance has no meaning if it is predicated only on views and expressions that one finds pleasant, agreeable, and acceptable. Tolerance is of no importance or consequence if it is only about respectful positions and concurring propositions.
In a world plagued by religious persecution, violence and oppression, tolerance is needed to safeguard the plurality of views and beliefs and guarantee peace, stability, and progress.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 11, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/case-for-tolerance-in-religiously-pluralistic-world.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 10, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
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Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 635
Keywords: ex-Muslim, France, Islam, Waleed Al-Husseini, women.
Waleed Al-Husseini on Women and Islam[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: For women who leave the religious fundamentalism seen in some of the world, what is the consequence to the family, especially if the culture is based on honour?
Waleed Al-Husseini: Women, they have the most complicated situation if they stay Muslims; imagine what the situation is if they left Islam, some of them if they just stop wearing hijab the family will stop talking with her, and the others will start to call her whore!
That is why some ex-Muslims women still wear hijab, even here in France. If you talk about the closed society, yes, many got killed in the name of honour, because they just did something not consonant with Islamic values!
Jacobsen: Can a woman lose the financial and family support system if they renounce the faith?
Al-Husseini: That is what happened for some of the women who leave in a modern society like Europe. The family just stop talking to her and cut all the relations with her. Some of them had this result just because she had a non-Muslims boyfriend. She went to live with him! Not just about faith!
This situation of women was one of the main reasons for me to leave Islam, because I refuse to treat my mother and sister or my girlfriend with Islamic values, which look to women like today’s citizens in the society.
Jacobsen: Many ex-religious people continue to fear hell while not believing in it. It becomes a form of long-term, even lifelong, trauma for them. Are there any unique forms of trauma experienced by women who leave the faith?
Al-Husseini: The same one but what is most insulting is the treatment of her like a whore.
Jacobsen: What have been some hopeful stories of recovery from the fundamentalist religion that you have seen in France among the ex-Muslim population?
Al-Husseini: Yes, we had a hard story for a girl. She was with her family and forced to wear hijab since 10-years-old, during her school time, and in that time she was thankful for French law, which made forbidden the hijab in school.
After when she started working, she was happy for the work of the law that forbade the hijab, but after all this, she started her life alone after her family wanted to let her marry the age of 17 for some man. This was the main reason for her to leave the family and be far away from them.
Now, she has a good life and is happy! She left her family since 15!
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Waleed.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 10, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/waleed-al-husseini-on-women-and-islam.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
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Individual Publication Date: August 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
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Marv Westwood is a Professor Emeritus in the Counselling Psychology Program, and recipient of the Royal Canadian Legion Professorship in Education. His major areas of teaching and research are focused on program development, teaching and delivery of group-based approaches to help clients make effective life transitions. Prior to coming to UBC, he taught at McGill University (1973-80). and prior to that St. Francis Xavier University (1971-73). Over the past 25 years he has led the development of the UBC Veterans Transition Program to help promote recovery from war related stress injuries for which he received both the Queen’s Golden and Diamond Jubilee Medals in 2005 and 2013. In 2012 he established the Centre for Group Counselling and Trauma (CGCT) for teaching and research in the area of group work. He is advisor to the President’s initiative for the development of UBC Veteran Friendly Campus. Currently, he is Senior Advisor for the Institute of Veteran Education Transition (IVET). George Belliveau is Professor of Theatre/Drama Education at the University of British Columbia, Canada, where he currently serves as Head of the Department of Language and Literacy Education. He co-produced, directed and performed in Contact!Unload. His research has been published in various arts and theatre education research journals and books. He has written six books, including a co-edited one with Graham Lea, Contact!Unload: Military Veterans, Trauma, and Research-based Theatre (UBC Press, 2020). They discuss: culture; particular issues around masculinities; forms of trauma; actors; mythologies about masculinity; some of the fallouts; we give them these bribes socially; recruitment into the army or the armed forces; play by Rzgar Hama Rshed, Soldierland; different issues men and women have in the military; and recommended researchers or organizations.
Keywords: drama, George Belliveau, Marvin Westwood, men, recovery, trauma, war.
An Interview with Professors Marvin Westwood and George Belliveau on War, Men, Trauma, Drama, and Recovery[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What are the gender associations within various parts in our culture?
Professor Marvin Westwood: There are masculinities in first responders, military, and police, where there are definite roles and cultural conventions that traditionally socialized males adhere to. It plays out in all aspects of their life for better and for worse. So, what you see, sometimes, in the military is the traditionally socialized masculinity, they value being protective. They mention to a female troop, “You stay back. We’ll protect you. Don’t worry.” They get pissed off [Laughing]…
Jacobsen: …[Laughing]…
Westwood: …because they’ve signed up to do the action. Then the guys feel misunderstood and the women feel misunderstood. So, we do have a modern day kind of reckoning about “let’s get clear about what culture of masculinity you’re ascribing to.” It can be helpful when we think about working with men as particular cultures because it becomes depoliticized to a great extent. Thank, God! [Laughing]
2. Jacobsen: Yes! [Laughing] George, when you’re coming at this, when we’re talking about this particular issues around masculinities, how are you viewing this? How is this playing into some of your professional work?
Professor George Belliveau: I am not an expert in this area. Theatre is definitely my domain, and education, but I can speak in relation to having worked with the veterans and a lot of the challenges that we kind of face. Sometimes, we didn’t really face them. We, often, get feedback from audience members. That they were grateful for the stories. They were longing for stories of women’s experiences, and how we could integrate more of a narrative of women. Sometimes, it was easy to answer that question because the call out was a Movember men’s health project. So, we were funded to work with men. That was the easy answer. Maybe, the second level answer was the work that Marv does in therapeutic enactment with the veterans is to create this space, where they’re going to open up and work through some of their injuries. They’re going to keep moving forward. The theatre was an extension of that. In some ways, to fill a curve, and say, “It was going to be a mixed group.” It didn’t feel right in that moment. As the project advanced down the road, new iterations came up, we had achieved some of what we wanted to achieve in terms of the combination of therapy and theatre. Then we were a little bit more nimble to include more women on stage. In terms of masculinity, I’m not making a claim for one side or the other. This project happened to be situated with men. We honoured that. That was it.
3. Jacobsen: Marv, within the field of counselling psychology and psychology even generally, what is the current state of discussion around issues that men deal with disproportionately negatively? Those forms of trauma that tend to be more male-specific, men-specific.
Westwood: Okay, there are conversations, which are going on now. Again, it has to return back. When you think about therapy and counselling, there’s something referred to as cross-cultural counselling. That’s respecting the norms and the influences of sub-groups. What we try to do is teach clinicians to understand that the issues that men have a major in because of their cultural shaping for the most part, they have a very strong sense of self-reliance, individualism. It is a sign of a weakness if they have to ask for help. So, unlike the gendered culture of most women in our culture, they are socialized to be more affiliative and seeking help to get what they need to become healthy again is not a threat to their identity. For many traditionally socialized males, to get help, it is a called a failure of self. They’ve internalized that as weakness. Now, the problem is, of course, you can be upset about that. You can blame them. Or what you can say, “Let’s understand their culture, where they come from.”
I’ll use an example of the police or the military. They are acting very badly and recklessly sometimes, when they are scared and threatened. So, they might start medicating more aggressively because they are scared inside, but they will never acknowledge it. Fear gets manifested as rage and anger. Because it is very threatening to their psychological self if they feel fear. They cannot ever admit that they are fearful. So, they project this out in other ways and get into trouble. What we would say, “Okay, it is time for us to not be judgmental about these males who do this, but try to understand this in a therapy context and create an environment to getting them moving from a sense of defense of self-sufficiency to affiliative nature and being allowed to deal with the traumas and injuries.” One of the great things about understanding culture and masculinity. Traditionally socialized males, they maty never approve help, but they approve helping others. So, our groups have become very successful with the veterans is we meet them. We say in groups of 6 or 8. They have trauma-related injuries with deployments overseas or traumas drawn up even as kids – believe it or not. We say, “None of you are here for help. Are you?” They say, “Nope!”
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Westwood: We say, “Good, welcome! But how many of you are here to help other guys?” “Yup!” All their hands go up. So, what we do, we built a program, “So, let’s get down to work then.” You have a whole team of people who are extremely helpful. In the process of helping others, George depicts this in the theatre of the military to some extent. In that, it is very empowering for injured males to get in touch with their emotional “baggage,” as they call it, that they’re carrying through the enactment of helping others drop their “baggage.” You can see what I’m saying. They are very ready to help. We use enactment to do this. In the process of doing this, they say, “Hey, that’s me too. That happened to me! I got fucked up too!” We really don’t criticize or judge them when they come into therapy, “You’re not a compliant client.” We have to understand their culture. That way, they become very cohesive as a group. They become very helpful. They become very caring. Of course, underneath all of that, as you can imagine, they see how they suffered a great deal in childhood with emotional deprivation as young males because they usually have fathers who were traditionally socialized males, at least in the military. We are unpacking that whole thing. It seems very, very successful with one of the principles of traditional masculinity. Does that make sense to you?
4. Jacobsen: Yes, I want to touch on the terminology they’re using too, but, first, I want to go to George as well. George, when you’re working with actors or those who will be that which the actors will represents, individuals, so say veterans with trauma, observing, interacting, learning from their experiences. How do actors who may not have that trauma to that level derive from within themselves that form of resource that they can call upon when they are trying to act out a particular scene that’s replicating, to some degree, traumatic event(s)? To convey to the audience, this is a fact of life for those who have gone through a wartime scenario.
Belliveau: So, first, I will speak from a theatre side as opposed to the project Marv and I collaborated on. As actors, you’re trained to play all kinds of roles. Most great plays are either wounded individuals from the classics like Arthur Miller to contemporary work with Tennessee Williams. In many ways, they are broken families and broken individuals. As an actor, you’ve arrived to play, even if it is a classic piece like Shakespeare. You want to play the tragedy. Depending on the theatre tradition and training, there is a misnomer of Stanislavsky acting, where people try to feel everything the character feels. You do get caught in the tropes as an actor. But really, it is about technique and figuring out what you can relate to, and keep distance from, so you’re in control of the emotions. It is not the emotions in control of you. In terms of that, I think that’s acting. That’s why it is called acting. There’s no real thing bigger than if you’re playing someone who is broken-hearted because of a family incident, etc. There are variations of authenticity, etc. But it is all part of the work belt of the actor.
With our project with the veterans, the veterans performed, for the most part, their our stories. We’re all making up stories in the process. We’re all pretty close at the truth in some part of the process. But as I listening to Marv, some of the veterans would start to tell the stories of other people. That they were quite comfortable with.
Westwood: Yes.
Belliveau: Eventually, they would tap into their own story. We were interested in their stories. So, they could authentically share their stories. My initial goal was none of the veterans/performers would tell their own story. But then, we got into a situation. One of the veterans said, “I don’t want anyone else to tell my story because they might fuck it up.” But actually, the next levels of that had nothing to do with not being authentic. He didn’t want others to feel the pain that he felt because he was still distinguishing between what is theatre and what is life. So, the levels of them sharing stories of self and others waxed and waned. As Marv said, they really, if anything would bring them back, said, “How am I supporting my fellow veterans?” At the height, we ha 6 performing veterans. One of them was just starting the process of joining the military. 5 core people had either served in Afghanistan, Rhodesia, and other places, other conflicts. But they not only want to support one another. What became vivid, they wanted to support the actors, the cast, the counsellors, to help counsel them. They event wanted to help the actors. In many ways, they did. The three graduate students who were on it and others on the periphery really got unstuck with some of the challenges that they were facing in their own lives because of the sensitivity of the veterans.
So, I think the later version, as I think more about it, of Unload, which is a variation of Contact!Unload: Military Veterans, Trauma, and Research-Based Theatre. It highlights how a veteran is actually there telling their story, has gone through this kind of therapeutic process, is still struggling with these things never fixed, but really shines by helping others/civilians to enable them to move into civilian society. That’s very military-still oriented, and still pretty masculine in some ways.
Westwood: Yes, it is. Scott, the goal here is doing the project. It had quite a change in social perception in the military community as recognizing that a healthy masculinity does include expressing – they would call it – and releasing the “baggage” of trauma, as they called it in therapy, “Unfucking their shit.” “Unfucking their shit” are the terms that they used. Once they saw others doing it, and being successful, they started doing it. It has changed a lot of the attitudes of the people in 2 or 3 of the armories here in Vancouver who attended the performance because George’s play. They were shocked when they saw it because they were military performers, not actors. It legitimized the conversation that they could talk about back in the regiments that they carried back from Afghanistan or Yugoslavia, or wherever. So, it had an educational outreach function. Also, for women in the audience, I think it had a compassion and understand in breaking stereotypes of masculinity because Hollywood continues and the media people tend to reinforce that these guys are real assholes and uncaring, but it is all a real defense, Scott. It is being reinforced by the movie industry, the pretense of autonomy. As a group, I think they undermined some traditionally held beliefs about not getting the tools to get healthy again, and where you might kill yourself.
5. Jacobsen: Even with the dramatic statement at the end there, you did diplomatically state it. If people are portraying this on the big screen, in a false manner, they are profiting off stereotypes.
Westwood: Exactly.
Jacobsen: So, these are mythologies about masculinity and then profiting off the stereotypes based on the mythologies. The real question for me, then, “In what manner did you fractionate, break apart, some of those stereotypes based on some of the responses coming back from individuals who had seen themselves in a play?” You can say, “I broke apart stereotypes about masculinities.”
Westwood: Yes!
Jacobsen: However, what manner did they break apart? What was broken apart about the stereotypes about masculinity? Other than a general statement using one word: autonomy.
Westwood: Oh, okay, you want to do this one.
Belliveau: That’s a good question. Again, I am not talking from the therapeutic side. The therapy was continuing as they kept doing the theatre project. They did hold on. There was a still a masculinity to hold on and a rah-rah camaraderie. In some ways, some of them needed that because they – Scott, and you may know this, Canadian military is very different than American military – are spread out, come home. One is in Port Coquitlam. One is in Port Moody. One is in East Van. The idea of the legion of them coming together. That was another generation. So, the camaraderie and the masculinity. They needed some of that. To create the space, it was wonderful. Theatre mimics it as well; there is a camaraderie because there is an understanding. I think where they were able to parse it out and break it down, when they were conveying that to a general audience. Part of our job in creating the theatre piece was helping the audience because they weren’t an insider. We need to go step-by-step with not only therapeutic enactment on stage, but also what it is like to be in the military, to transition home. Everything had to be translated in ways. I think during the translation, a lot of things occurred with their lived experiences or experiences themselves. It opened up a lot of discussion amongst themselves. I will pause there.
Westwood: Also, the other stereotypes that got altered. The audience could see these individuals on stage who had been injured terribly badly in a military context. They talked about having empathy. They never, ever thought about how much grief some of the soldiers carry when they come back when they lose their buddy who dies beside them in a military vehicle. They really show very clearly that their buddies are as important to them, as their partners in life or as close as a family member. So, when they get killed or die, the loss is extreme. Some of them never recover. They say things like, “It should have been me that died.” Some of the suicides that take place, as we know from interviewing them; they feel they don’t deserve to live because their buddy fell. And they didn’t. The audience became very aware of how the military reinforces this helping each other. But if something goes wrong, you didn’t have your buddy’s back. They carry a lot of guilt and shame. They do an enactment, recreate the scenes. For example, the buddy who got killed and they cannot save, or whatever. We bring them back alive. They actually speak to the person and say, “You have to go on with your life. I died. You didn’t. Will you live for me? So, it releases them. It isn’t just a stereotype about masculinity. You also buy into the idea of “at all costs. You’re there to protect your mate.” If something happens, there’s a lot of guilt and shame. That’s a lot of injuries that happen to people. When you unpack that, you realize it can happen to anybody. The audience is surprised by the amount of pain, psychological pain, that they can endure in battlefield when the losses are great. If a child, a friend in Afghanistan, dies who brought them water all the time, he had to be killed because somebody in deployment had it reported that he was carrying weapons and ammunition, and was going to blow up the compound. So, to save the compound, they took his life. It haunts them forever.
6. Jacobsen: How prevalent are some of the fallouts of this? The mental health issues, the suicidal ideation, etc.
Westwood: Oh! If you look at returning military, only about 25% of people in deployment have what is called PTSD, but untreated PTSD leads to acute depression, isolation, and then suicidality. Suicidality rates can be as high as 12% both in the United States and, I think, here, if untreated. Some of the suicides happen years after. They call it post-war casualties, but because without therapy. They never dealt with regrets and the observances that they had made. In our program, that’s the main goal, get them in as soon as they get back. Suicidality risk goes down very significantly and with depression rates. They get on with their life. They see the injury of war as normal into an abnormal event. It is all the ones who don’t get help, don’t get seen. They’re at risk. The audience understands that. Look, in my family fighting in the Second World War, of my dad’s friends, over half of them were alcoholic. All they were doing were self-medicating because of the all the shit they experienced and the things they had to do. They’d go to legions and become chronic alcoholics, where they died. People call them “heroes.” So, there’s nothing. That masculinity thing is false heroism. Fortunately, projects like George and I are doing help break those stereotypes.
7. Jacobsen: Why do we give them these bribes socially, these titles?
Westwood: Why do we give them these bribes? It is for compliance. Because you want to use them up. You want them to join and give their lives away. The military, unfortunately, is a real reason why they invest in stereotypes. However, as I learned from the vets over the years, they say, “All I wish they had said to me was that when I signed up. I should have signed up with informed consent. I never had any idea as to what I was signing up for. I was 17 or 20. I am glad I signed up. It was a great event. It was a great training. I represented this country. It is very honourable. But nobody signed me up for the psychological pain of what I would have to absorb endure that could threaten me.” Now, we are teaching people. When they go into the military, you should know that you’re heading into something, but there is treatment when you go back.
Belliveau: When I think of that, soldiering is an old, old profession as well. There’s an honour. There’s a sense people belong to something. There’s an appeal to that. There’s a cost in the reality of it.
Westwood: I wanted to say, Scott. You should know. Some of the veterans that were in Afghanistan, when I went back to Afghanistan. They took me to where these things had happened. Many of them wanted to see the water projects they worked in or the schools they helped build. When they are on the deployments serving, they are, often, not there as combatants. They are there as world servers and peacekeepers. They really like to get attached to the people. In Quebec and Ontario, the Canadian military went into the seniors’ hospitals. We couldn’t handle it. They wouldn’t think twice about going. They go into spots to do those things. Most are very worthy and important parts of any society. It is just that because there are many males. They [Laughing] don’t know that they are entitled to a very effective treatment when they get out. That’s what they are starting to learn.
8. Jacobsen: If we look at the history of the United States with regards to recruitment into the army or the armed forces, often, they are not going to be rich, white families sending their children to these things. Often, it is going to be men of colour, poor men, etc. Is that the same case here, in Canada?
Westwood: Yes, it is. I’ll tell you. Until recently, the majority of our recruits, especially post—WWII, came from the poor areas, the Prairies, and some of the Maritimes, who have a higher military representation than southern Ontario or the West Coast. Because it was a way out. It had security. A lot of these young men came from divorced families, the army was symbolic of a positive father figure. They were, often, quite traumatized in youth due to poverty or race. They will do anything to get some security and recognition. One thing that they do is recognition. They get to belong again. I think humans in general are very affiliative and want to belong to a group. If you look at gangs, why do people join gangs? There is good motivation. They want to be with other people doing things. It is just that what they end up doing, if they are criminal gangs, is getting into trouble, but sports and military are a healthy way of getting some identity, some recognition. But hey get punished, of course, and bullied in the process, and so on. Those are some of the injuries that we deal with, which is the shame and the bullying happening in the army, whether language, skin colour, indigeneity, nerd behaviour. It doesn’t matter.
It can be quite brutal. So, those are some of the therapeutic corrections that we attend to when they come back. It is helpful for them to acknowledge that it occurred there. It isn’t just sexual harassment in the military. There are all sorts of other darker stories playing out, as in the busines world, but just different things. They are vulnerable that way.
9. Jacobsen: Now, George, I recall a 10- to 15-minute commentary by Marv and you on the play by Rzgar Hama Rshed, Soldierland. There was a general conversation around the ways in which the actors had moved. When you’re training actors to represent military types, military psychology, in behaviour, how do you or how would you bring about that realism in terms of how they are controlling their body, being very methodical, and almost semi-robotic in the ways in which they are pacing a stage and approaching a performance?
Belliveau: So, again, with this particular project, because, for the most part, the military men were representing military men, that was wonderful. But in our first iteration, we had civilians who had to be trained. This was beautiful because when you’re doing these community-based projects; it’s not about creating artistic verisimilitude, which doesn’t exist anyway. Because what is depicted in society, it can be so diverse. But there were some key things that any military audience member would see if a civilian as starting to march on the right foot versus the left.
Westwood: Yes [Laughing].
Belliveau: That their arms were swinging higher. But what became wonderful, they could, as military people, go, “Oh, he’s definitely British. This person is from a particular era because they march and salute this way.” So, we really relied on the veterans teaching civilians. I don’t know how far they got with the civilians because the amount of rehearsals was probably insufficient. I think we had probably already reached part of the goal because the veterans had shared some of their insight and tacit knowledge. Skilled actors can play a veteran than a veteran can play themselves.
Westwood: [Laughing].
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Belliveau: Good actors just do. The physicality, good physical actors would get everything, every beat, bang on. So, audience members might say, “They did this wrong.” If you investigated it, the actor is very skilled. The reason it was “wrong” was because it was on purpose. We were not dealing with veteran actors. We were dealing with volunteer civilians for the most part. That became a really important part. The veterans really want the civilians if they were playing those people to move and act in a particular way. Again, it was country-based to a certain extent. Even Luke was commando, the royal marines would do things this way [Laughing]. It was all part of it. As we toured with it in other places, that conversation continued.
Westwood: Also, Scott, some of the civilians, a minority of them in the performance really valued being taught by the soldiers about stance, posture, discipline. It was good for the esteem of the military because the military were teaching things about themselves to the civilians, which they really appreciated, about their discipline. It benefitted them as well.
Belliveau: You mentioned Paul Martin earlier [Ed. off-tape.]. Harjeet Sajjan saw the tail end of the performance at one of the armories here. He had come for an event there [Ed. Beatty Street Drill Hall.]. He saw it when we were in Ottawa on Parliament Hill. Same as Erin O’Toole, Erin has seen different iterations. Certainly, he has been in touch with us more. They would, as politicians as well; the authenticity for them, who didn’t have the movement and language of military. They saw something in it. That probably none of the politicians could see. That was always very powerful to get it right.
Westwood: When people came from their regiment to see the performance, and the actors were prepared as performers, the guy who saw it said, “This is really authentic,” and would really buy into it. “They’re like us. They’re really soldiers. If they go for help for depression and dysfunction, and so on, I can do that too.” It was really good for the authenticity. On a lighter note, I would say. We had an example of getting validation when they performed this in Canada House in London, Ontario for Prince Harry because he had just come back from Afghanistan. He was quite affected during the show because he stood [Laughing]…
Jacobsen: …[Laughing]…
Westwood: …during the whole performance. Eye to eye with the actors, I thought it was so military. They just looked at each other. He was affected in a positive way. That was validating for them because the regiment that he belonged to was a sister regiment to the Canadian company. So, their whole travel to the U.K., participating in this, expanded their awareness. We all really appreciated how they represented us at the Canadian High Commission.
10. Jacobsen: Are there different issues men and women have in the military?
Westwood: You’re like this story. When we decided to run therapeutic groups for military, we knew that we would have to have a women’s group and the men’s group. They had to be the same kind of group, but divided by gender. I should say, “Sex,” not gender as we found out, because so many of the women had experienced the trauma of sexual harassment of males with whom they serve. So, of course, they can’t be in a therapy to community, but not all did. We found out when we created a women’s program. Some of the women, a few of them said, “Look, why are you putting me in the women’s program? I want to be with the soldiers,” and the majority of them were men. So, it is a more masculine gendered focus in a woman or a person who is a female. They were really annoyed that they couldn’t be in the other group because they identified with the culture of the military. That they are a minority within a minority. We had to accommodate them as best we could, but we didn’t expect that. We thought: a women’s group and a men’s group. Some of them went, “No! I don’t belong there. I belong in the men’s group. I serve with them. That’s where I want to be.” So, the binaries that we hear about all the time don’t always work. Scott, sorry, but I have to wrap this up. Do you have anything else to ask me before I go?
11. Jacobsen: Sure, real quick, any other recommended researchers or organizations for individuals who want to look more into this, or books?
Westwood: I would say right off: go on the website or look to the VTN, Veteran Transition Network. It is online. It is Canada-wide. They have access to all the questions that people might have, the public and the military. That’s a very good start. The other good start is Canadian Institute for Military and Veteran Health and Research, CIMVHR. I would say, VTN will be one thing to get them going. They can be contacted. They are very helpful about getting help for family members. Our program runs through them. There is another link. The whole play is on the UBC, Peter Wall site. The whole Contact!Unload is on the site with a pre-discussion. It was done in the BMO Theatre. People were talking about military before. Then the veterans speak a little afterwards. So, that’s all professionally filmed. The play highlights Marv’s therapeutic enactments. You get to see it with veterans. So, the play is only 30 minutes long. That’s another resource that people can tap.
Belliveau: And Scott, another thing I want to say to you. Do you know that some of the people that we have worked with who have some of the most acute traumas were the journalists who covered the military?
Jacobsen: Yes, I am aware of this. I know some, not personally, but I know of some, even Pulitzer Prize winning, who have spent extensive time in war-time and talk about being haunted during the day by some of the things that they have seen.
Westwood: Yes, what we do, one of the Ph.D. students who has approached, not you personally, other journalists is that they get so much other vicarious trauma because everyone loves a journalist to be upfront about all that stuff. It takes a real toll on them. Anyhow, it’s really good talking to you, man.
12. Jacobsen: Thank you very much.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Professor Emeritus, Counselling Psychology, University of British Columbia & Recipient, Royal Canadian Legion Professorship in Education; Professor, Theatre/Drama Education, University of British Columbia, & Head, Language and Literacy Education, University of British Columbia.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/westwood-belliveau; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Professors Marvin Westwood and George Belliveau on War, Men, Trauma, Drama, and Recovery [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/westwood-belliveau.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 8). An Interview with Professors Marvin Westwood and George Belliveau on War, Men, Trauma, Drama, and Recovery. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/westwood-belliveau.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Professors Marvin Westwood and George Belliveau on War, Men, Trauma, Drama, and Recovery. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/westwood-belliveau>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Professors Marvin Westwood and George Belliveau on War, Men, Trauma, Drama, and Recovery.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/westwood-belliveau.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Professors Marvin Westwood and George Belliveau on War, Men, Trauma, Drama, and Recovery.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/westwood-belliveau.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Professors Marvin Westwood and George Belliveau on War, Men, Trauma, Drama, and Recovery‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/westwood-belliveau>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Professors Marvin Westwood and George Belliveau on War, Men, Trauma, Drama, and Recovery‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/westwood-belliveau.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Professors Marvin Westwood and George Belliveau on War, Men, Trauma, Drama, and Recovery.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/westwood-belliveau>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Professors Marvin Westwood and George Belliveau on War, Men, Trauma, Drama, and Recovery [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/westwood-belliveau.
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Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
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Abstract
Anas El-Husseini is a Member of the Glia Society. He discusses: high-IQ societies; why the high-IQ societies seem to congregate online more than in-person; such a turnover in the number of high-IQ societies; the ethical leanings and political orientations of these high-IQ societies; ethical leanings and political orientations; the Glia Society; founding by Paul Cooijmans in 1997; the Glia Society focused on Europe; joining the group; qualifying for the Glia Society; Thoth; contributing to it; “A Megalomaniac’s Waterloo”; and the high-IQ community.
Keywords: Anas El-Husseini, ethical leanings, Glia Society, high-IQ, high-IQ societies, political orientations, Thoth.
An Interview with Anas El Husseini on the Glia Society, Community Sensibility, and Tests (Part Two)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When we’re looking at high-IQ societies, what are some areas for improvement?
Anas El Husseini: First is communication, especially in Internet-based high I.Q. societies. Private forums, email newsletters and journals belonging to high I.Q. groups had lost a lot in terms of member activity in the last decade. It seems that the older members were more prolific, whereas the newer generation got more busy with their own lives or more distracted in the Internet. It seems that people nowadays tend to communicate more through their smartphones and favorite apps, so older web technologies have become an obsolete way of communication to them. The second area of improvement is collaboration, and that’s also correlated with the group activity level.
2. Jacobsen: Why do most of the high-IQ societies seem to congregate online more than in-person?
El Husseini: It costs more to create physical rather than a virtual (online) high I.Q. societies. For instance, someone has to pay for rents, take care of logistics, etc. On the other hand, an online presence of a society costs much less and is easier to manage. Moreover, members are usually dispersed over the world, so it may not be ideal for them to travel to one place at the same time to congregate. The relatively small number of members is also another factor. One can see that, in I.Q. societies with lower I.Q. threshold like Mensa, they periodically hold meetings and physical events for members living within the same country or area.
3. Jacobsen: Why is there such a turnover in the number of high-IQ societies? Many either defunct, in limbo, or functioning merely as branding cover for a personality, a theory, or as a parody on the whole notion of super-high-IQs and accurate measurements at those levels.
El Husseini: The lifetime of a high I.Q. society depends first and foremost on its administrator. If the administrator is persevering, and gives enough of his time to satisfactorily complete his administrative duties, then the society will usually survive for very long. If the administrator or few members in the group are successful at engaging other members in discussions or activities, that is also a big plus. Societies lacking those traits do not last long and die silently. The intent and the motivation of the founder, the rules of conduct within the society and whether they’re enforced well or not, and the strictness in the requirements for admission also determine whether the society is standing on a firm ground or will soon go down with the slightest quake.
4. Jacobsen: What tend to be the ethical leanings and political orientations of these high-IQ societies, e.g., democratic, authoritarian, or anarchic?
El Husseini: The ones I’m a member in are democratic. I suspect most of the others, if not all, are so too. I doubt any of them are anarchic. Members of high I.Q. societies are both intelligent and have high self-esteem. They will naturally reject any sort of dictatorship or chaotic ruling enforced upon them by a group that they willingly opted to join and are free to leave.
5. Jacobsen: Out of those forms of ethical leanings and political orientations, what one seems to bring out the best behaviour and community construction for the high-range?
El Husseini: Since we are talking about people belonging in the same high range of I.Q., democracy seems like the best fit. Depending on the society, the range of I.Q. can vary widely between members. Some societies accept those with I.Q. at 120 or above (S.D. 15) such as Tensa society (they rebranded themselves later and changed the admission I.Q. to 125), while others require an I.Q. as high as 190 (S.D. 15) such as the Giga Society. There are also unique societies like the Grail Society where the admission I.Q. is higher than 200 (S.D. 15), although it does not have any present members so far. One person out of 20 possesses an I.Q. of 125 or more, but the rarity of an I.Q. of 190 is at 1 out of a billion. So even if we call all members of high I.Q. society intelligent, there is still a large I.Q. gap that may hinder reaching consensus or make political/ethical leanings vary to a certain degree. There are also people who qualified to I.Q. societies by fraud, or the rules were too lenient and admitted them although they were not qualified. Those are the kind that usually brings out trouble and controversy within an I.Q. society. The stricter the admission rules, and the higher the I.Q. score of admission, the more the society is peaceful, organized, and civilized.
6. Jacobsen: What is the Glia Society?
El Husseini: The Glia Society is an Internet-based high I.Q. society that admits people at the 99.9th percentile (which approximately corresponds to an I.Q. of 146.6 at a standard deviation of 15). That means that theoretically 1 out of 1000 of the adult population qualifies to join that society. One must submit an I.Q. test report that demonstrates he has the required I.Q. or above to be admitted. There is a long list of accepted I.Q. tests for admission, and those include many of Paul Cooijmans’ unsupervised high I.Q. tests. Upon admission, the member has access to a private journal called Thoth, a member-only email newsletter, social media groups, and the ability to take Paul Cooijmans’s I.Q. tests for free, among other privileges. The society was created to facilitate contact and collaboration between intelligent people
7. Jacobsen: When was it formed?
El Husseini: The society was founded by Paul Cooijmans in 1997, who is also currently its administrator. It has gathered several hundred members from all over the world since then.
8. Jacobsen: Why is the Glia Society focused on Europe?
El Husseini: Although the society was nerve-centered in Europe in its early years, it grew to be more global with time. It is more accurate to say that the majority of members now originates from Europe, North America, and East Asia.
9. Jacobsen: When did you join the group?
El Husseini: I joined in December 2012.
10. Jacobsen: How did you qualify for the Glia Society?
El Husseini: I qualified by obtaining an I.Q. score of 149 (S.D. 15) on the “Psychometrically Activated Grids Acerbate Neuroticism” test.
11. Jacobsen: What is Thoth?
El Husseini: Thoth is the Egyptian moon god. It is also the nickname of the future Grail Society member. Moreover, Thoth is the name of a journal that only Glia Society members can access and read. The journal publishes the content of authors verbatim and allows them complete freedom over what they want to publish. Non-Glia members are allowed to send content to be published in the journal as well, although they are not allowed to read it.
11. Jacobsen: Have you contributed to it?
El Husseini: Twice several years ago.
12. Jacobsen: I love the phrase “A Megalomaniac’s Waterloo” by Cooijmans. It is the coda on the separation of the wheat from the chaff of the high-range. Many come to these tests thinking rather highly of their innate gifts, which seem apparent while not as high as assumed by them. How would you describe the world of the high-range?
El Husseini: Megalomaniacs are annoying living beings. Yet, their delusion with themselves can become a good source of humor sometimes. I believe Paul Cooijmans published many megalomaniac messages that were sent to him, either because of a dissatisfaction of a score on an I.Q. test or due to reasons related to admissions to Giga Society. One can find some of those messages on a page entitled “Expressions of gratitude from satisfied candidates” in Paul’s I.Q. tests website. Needless to say, the world of the high-range does not open its doors to this kind of people. People of the high range are able to correctly observe and assess their own abilities, and they all possess a great amount of inner order that correlates with being very organized, more knowledgeable and remarkable in their verbal and logical abilities. Megalomaniacs usually lack at least one of those traits.
13. Jacobsen: Why did you join the high-IQ community in the first place?
El Husseini: I joined in order to be in contact with other intelligent people, especially with the absence of I.Q. societies that have physical presence in my neighborhood. I was also fond at the time of I.Q. tests, and high I.Q. communities were a source of tests and puzzles of a rare and high quality.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-two; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anas El Husseini on the Glia Society, Community Sensibility, and Tests (Part Two) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-two.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 8). An Interview with Anas El Husseini on the Glia Society, Community Sensibility, and Tests (Part Two). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-two.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Anas El Husseini on the Glia Society, Community Sensibility, and Tests (Part Two). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-two>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Anas El Husseini on the Glia Society, Community Sensibility, and Tests (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-two.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Anas El Husseini on the Glia Society, Community Sensibility, and Tests (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-two.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anas El Husseini on the Glia Society, Community Sensibility, and Tests (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-two>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anas El Husseini on the Glia Society, Community Sensibility, and Tests (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-two.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Anas El Husseini on the Glia Society, Community Sensibility, and Tests (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-two>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anas El Husseini on the Glia Society, Community Sensibility, and Tests (Part Two) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-two.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,511
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anja Jaenicke is a German Poet and Actor. She discusses: the common emotive themes; highly productive; “Pen Gwyn – The white head”; “Das Spiegelbild des Seins”; “John Dee on the shoulders of Issac Newton”; and the books at Amazon.com.
Keywords: Anja Jaenicke, Germany, Isaac Newton, John Dee.
An Interview with Anja Jaenicke on Productivity, “Pen Gwyn – The white head,” “Das Spiegelbild des Seins,” and “John Dee on the shoulders of Issac Newton” (Part Four)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: For some of your artistic productions, based on the images you sent me, there is a sense of dreariness, angst especially in “Das Spiegelbild des Seins” the sense of not know what is going on what is going to happen while desperately wanting to know what will happen. What are some of the common emotive themes of the work for you?
Anja Jaenicke: If you are referring to the scene photos of “Das Spiegelbild des Seins” (The Mirror Image of Being”) it is very easy. The Film is based on a novel written by me and it is a crossover between mystery and classical psycho thriller, where psycho implies angst and the fact that you do not know what comes next is the suspense or the thrill.
Regarding my other works I think I am rather versatile and there are not many common themes in my creations.
2. Jacobsen: You have been highly productive. Yet you lament a culture of mediocrity in the country. You are not the first to note that to me. Why?
Jaenicke: Well if there are others who say so, maybe there is something to it?
Now during the Covid 19 Pandemic the whole misery becomes visible. But I am an optimist. Art has survived many crises since the dawn of time. It might adapt and it might change but as long as there is humanity there will be art.
3. Jacobsen: For “Pen Gwyn – The white head” It is a very self assured critter. What is the inspiration for this particular production?
Jaenicke: The Pen Gwyn has a human face inside of him. It characterizes his human nature. His name is Werner.
The inspiration for the adventures of the penguin Werner and his friend Klaus is the film maker Werner Herzog and his favorite enemy the actor Klaus Kinski.
The books are in some way a homage to them.
4. Jacobsen: In some more of the photographs sent of “Das Spiegelbild des Seins” some of the central characters are portrayed in the same dismayed position, especially the actor Joachim Bernhard known from the Academy Award nominated movie “Das Boot”..
Jaenicke: The storyline of the film “Das Spiegelbild des Seins” is about Sophia and her mother who live in a twilight reality based on religious fanaticism. Joachim Bernhard excellently plays the character of Dr. Leid, a psychiatrist who wants to understand more and by doing so he is pulled deeper and deeper into the abyss of Sophia’s schizophrenic world until the realities collapse and melt with each other to leave the audience without a compass in the midst of chaos. (See IMDb – Das Spiegelbild des Seins 2016).
5. Jacobsen: What is the meaning of the piece “John Dee on the shoulders of Issac Newton”? I am reminded of a famous phrase from Newton. For the connection with John Dee, what is it?
Jaenicke: We as a species are one. Every thought that can be thought of has been around for some time before. But it can only come to frustration and fully materialize at the right moment and under the right circumstances. Newton was so close to a theory of relativity but he couldn’t grab the last pieces. He was caught in his time and his conventions of thinking. It needed Albert Einstein hundreds of years later to fully understand the concept. John Dee was a great Mathematician and Astronomer in his own time and some of his ideas might have influenced or even illuminated Sir Isaac later. Every knowledge is based on knowledge gained by people before us.
We carry this old knowledge within us, like a demon until it is ripe to be released and understood.
6. Jacobsen: People can find some of the books at Amazon.com written by you. What books took more time, more focus, became a point of intrigue and emphasis?
Jaenicke: Every work is different, some come spontaneously others need more time but they all need focus and they all are loved. Luckily I am a very focused and systematic person.
Some people think art and creativity come easy but that is not quite true.
All creations need logos. Only if you walk down the path of logic until its end, where it becomes illogical you can open yourself to imagination and creativity.
It is a bit like in the poem “Page d’ecriture” by Jacques Prevert, where we find us in the middle of a math class at school “Two plus two equals four” says the teacher, “repeat!” and the child sees the wonder bird at the window and the child and the bird play with each other while the teacher shouts “Stop the nonsense!”
All the children hear the song and they play with the wonder bird until the two and the two disappear and the one and the one are no longer two, the blackboard becomes rock again, the ink becomes water and the pen becomes bird.
Maybe we all should become a bit child again.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] German Poet and Actress; CEO, HIQ-MEDIA-POOL INC.; Member, Poetic Genius Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-four; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anja Jaenicke on Productivity, “Pen Gwyn – The white head,” “Das Spiegelbild des Seins,” and “John Dee on the shoulders of Issac Newton” (Part Four) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-four.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 8). An Interview with Anja Jaenicke on Productivity, “Pen Gwyn – The white head,” “Das Spiegelbild des Seins,” and “John Dee on the shoulders of Issac Newton” (Part Four). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-four.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Anja Jaenicke on Productivity, “Pen Gwyn – The white head,” “Das Spiegelbild des Seins,” and “John Dee on the shoulders of Issac Newton” (Part Four). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-four>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Anja Jaenicke on Productivity, “Pen Gwyn – The white head,” “Das Spiegelbild des Seins,” and “John Dee on the shoulders of Issac Newton” (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-four.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Anja Jaenicke on Productivity, “Pen Gwyn – The white head,” “Das Spiegelbild des Seins,” and “John Dee on the shoulders of Issac Newton” (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-four.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anja Jaenicke on Productivity, “Pen Gwyn – The white head,” “Das Spiegelbild des Seins,” and “John Dee on the shoulders of Issac Newton” (Part Four)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-four>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anja Jaenicke on Productivity, “Pen Gwyn – The white head,” “Das Spiegelbild des Seins,” and “John Dee on the shoulders of Issac Newton” (Part Four)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-four.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Anja Jaenicke on Productivity, “Pen Gwyn – The white head,” “Das Spiegelbild des Seins,” and “John Dee on the shoulders of Issac Newton” (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-four>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anja Jaenicke on Productivity, “Pen Gwyn – The white head,” “Das Spiegelbild des Seins,” and “John Dee on the shoulders of Issac Newton” (Part Four) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jaenicke-four.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 6, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 555
Keywords: Humanist Society of Zimbabwe, Takudzwa Mazwienduna, Zimbabwe, Zimbabwean Secular Alliance.
Ask Takudzwa 5 – Revivatory Democracy: Civic Awareness, Colonial Repression, and Human-Centered Politics[1],[2]
Takudzwa Mazwienduna is the informal leader of Zimbabwean Secular Alliance and a Member of the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe. This educational series will explore secularism in Zimbabwe from an organizational perspective, and more. He is a friend and former boss at the now-defunct Cornelius Press in South Africa.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: If we’re looking at the ways in which Zimbabwe lost one of its leaders, and the ways in which religion continues to influence political life, how can a secular outlook, a humanistic worldview, provide an alternative to the pervasive religiosity in politics?
Takudzwa Mazwienduna: A secular worldview would definitely inspire citizens to participate in the political discourse, becoming active members and reviving democracy. Most Zimbabweans turn to religion rather than facing their political problems like corruption. Civic awareness would also increase if the Zimbabwean population cease to see their leaders as gods whose faults they choose to ignore although they suffer the consequences. Zimbabwean politicians also endorse and appease churches that allow child marriages and deny children medical care or vaccinations to ensure their votes. This definitely comes under scrutiny from a secular perspective.
Jacobsen: If this is done, and if this is accepted, how might this change the overall landscape of policymaking?
Mazwienduna: Policymaking will be based on reason and human-centred, rather than blindly nationalistic and culture centered. Both the government and the society would have more respect for human rights and repressive legislation from colonial times that is still in law today would be removed.
Jacobsen: What have been the central laws preventing full equality of the freethinkers and humanists in Zimbabwe?
Mazwienduna: The Zimbabwean constitution upholds secularism, but people act as if it was a theocracy anyway because of low civic awareness. The majority of Zimbabweans believe that the country is a Christian nation when the constitution says otherwise. There are however anti-gay laws in the constitution and homosexuality is punishable by lengthy prison sentences. There are colonial repressive laws that have been maintained to outlaw protests and free speech such as the Public Order and Security Act (POSA). Zimbabwean leaders still use these laws to silence activists, civil society and their political opponents.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Takudzwa.
Mazwienduna: It is always a pleasure Scott!
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 6, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ask-takudzwa-5-revivatory-democracy-civic-awareness-colonial-repression-and-human-centered-politics.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 3, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 556
Keywords: ex-Muslim, France, freedom, Islam, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Freedoms for French Ex-Muslims[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: If you could change the laws in France to better reflect the interests of the ex-Muslim community, what would the change in the laws be for you?
Waleed Al-Husseini: In general, I would increase the freedom of speech and make it include everything, because we are in France.
We have more than 300 issues against freedom of speech. It is just 7 in the USA. If I could do this in France, it will be great.
Jacobsen: How are fundamentalist groups attempting to hijack the conversation about ex-Muslims?
Al-Husseini: They just talk about us like cheats of the nation. That we should be killed. Also, this has been said by many French imams. On the internet, there are many Muslims attacking, insulting, accusing, or threatening us.
That is why some of us even close their social media after so many bad threats.
Jacobsen: How is the assertion that criticism of Islam is racism simply illogical? Why is this used as a tactic? In short, how is a set of ideas plus suggested practices not to be conflated with a race?
Al-Husseini: That one of big debate leftists do not want to understand it for their own goals. Islam is not a race. Here the issue, Islam is not African or Arab, so that has never been a race. It is one of the ideas the Left idolizes.
We should criticize all ideologies. That is why we really need a redefinition of terms and to use things for their actual names, not mixing like what happening now everywhere in this world.
Jacobsen: Where do Muslims make legitimate criticisms of ex-Muslims?
Al-Husseini: Nowhere yet.
Jacobsen: Where do Muslims make incorrect assertions about ex-Muslims?
Al-Husseini: This exists everywhere; any Muslim you can meet.
Jacobsen: How is the public conversation changing around religion in France, and about those who leave religion?
Al-Husseini: In France, things become more limited, like what I said before, in the name of peace for society. Nothing to offend Muslims, or increasing the hate for Muslims, these things have always limited our speeches.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Waleed.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 3, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/freedoms-for-french-ex-muslims.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 7,956
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Christian is a Philosopher that comes from Belgium. What identifies him the most and above all is simplicity, for everything is better with “vanilla flavour.” Perhaps, for this reason, his intellectual passion is criticism and irony, in the sense of trying to reveal what “hides behind the mask,” and give birth to the true. For him, ignorance and knowledge never “cross paths.” What he likes the most in his leisure time, is to go for a walk with his wife. He discusses: boxing; the greatest boxer of all time; what boxing gives him; psychology; does psychology qualify as a science in some ways; does psychology not qualify as a science in other ways; originally become interested in the question of psychology; mathematical codes in the Kabbalah; found anything so far; the original Kabbalah; looking for mathematical codes; the central purpose of looking for codes in the Kabbalah; the health risks in boxing; any definitive conclusions on psychology as a science or not; the beatings; Tyson; biological father; mother’s defence and/or reaction to the beatings by his stepfather; the boxing gloves and the pushing ball; Catholic school; years in the Catholic school; corporal punishment; the bullying; win:loss ratio; flesh of the ear; psychology; psychological constructs; apparent reflections of real knowledge about human psychology; Noetics; a legitimate form of inquiry and thinking; What would delegitimize it as a form of inquiry and thinking; the roots of Noetics, etymologically; the neologism; objects of study, relations orienting objects of study, and operations by which to perform studies on the objects and the relations in Noetics; siblings or extended family during the beatings; the rest of the family’s opinion; biological father and stepfather; to physical beatings or emotional-verbal berating; lifelong impacts; the psychology of the abuser; the Catholic hierarchs; parts has psychology mistaken for the whole; some of the more modern manifestations of this automatism in psychology; a Yeshiva; the Catholic school; Rabbi Akiva and Shimon bar Yorjai; (White) kabbalah and “black kabbalah”; Madonna; 14 years of familial, schoolmate, and educational authority beatings; “methodological reiteration” and “constant and indefinite process of trial and error tests”; biological father; divorce; a son of a divorced family and someone abused by a replacement male authority figure; forming the parts of a systemic structure; a systemic structure; evolution of homo sapiens tell us about such a hypothetical systemic structure via its biological substratum; zero connect between the conscious and the unconscious; “burst”; the difference in treatment of siblings; intelligence is carried via the mother; the sociocultural strictures on women in our societies; the cathectized energy; women “bear everything”; the two pure substrates and the mixed substrate; this mega-structure; mega-structure means something like a complex; the more intelligent tend to have fewer children; separated, disenfranchised, and left apart, estranged, from parents and siblings; the hypochondriatism; the existential humanistic theoretical models failed; why traditional religion failed; atheism and Humanism failed in current form; the differences one might find in the brain; fear of rejection and loneliness; the reckoning for high-IQ societies; others of high intelligence; common misconceptions of noetics; “logical principles”; “validity” and “truth”; confusing validity with truth; the unifying bases, premises in its field of inquiry; critical while friendly inquiry; mis-use or abuse as a system of inquiry via faith-based traditions or through purely empiric traditions; others who pioneered this field; current leaders in this field; frauds proposing to be part of this field; and the real and Truth.
Keywords: Christian Sorensen, Gnoseology, Noetics.
An Interview with Christian Sorensen on Noetics or Gnoseology (Part Nine)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When did you get into boxing?
Christian Sorensen: That was when I was about eight years old, and my godmother gave me a pair of gloves and a pushing ball, that I hung on a tree in my house.
2. Jacobsen: Who was the greatest boxer of all time (to date)?
Sorensen: In my opinion Mike Tyson.
3. Jacobsen: What does boxing give you?
Sorensen: The chance of being able to relive, the constant beatings my stepfather gave me, and they gave me in a Catholic school of wealthy people, for being physically weak and different, but facing this time, from the opposite lane, bigger and stronger fighters than me.
4. Jacobsen: What is psychology?
Sorensen: It is a discipline, that studies the behaviour and the human mind, their conditioning factors, and the variables that can modify them.
5. Jacobsen: How does psychology qualify as a science in someways?
Sorensen: Currently, besides from presumptuously claiming to be a science, it does not qualify with anything else.
6. Jacobsen: How does psychology not qualify as a science in other ways?
Sorensen: I think that psychology throughout its history, has constantly placed the wagon before placing the oxen, since it has been quite proliferating from the point of view of its models and theoretical systems developments, but at the same time, has done it as if building a house of cards, because ultimately these are almost completely devoid of any scientific basis. In this sense, unlike the empirical-experimental sciences, basic stages that are necessary and are fulfilled by any one of them, have been skipped, due to the fact, that psychology has ignored what should always precede as a must, any type of theoretical construction. The aforementioned is evident enough since this discipline has not even been able, to adequately define until now the most basic issues, such as occurs for example with the object of study, and with the adaptation of the scientific method, in relation to its characteristics and nature. Consequently neither has been capable, to define the research hypotheses associated in turn with the independent and dependent variables, which aren’t really empirically refutable, nor has it had the scope to propose no kind of scientific law, as a logically unavoidable preamble for any further progress.
7. Jacobsen: When did you originally become interested in the question of psychology as a science or not? It is an inherently interesting question, especially when I was working in three psychology labs at once. It was a tacit assumption in the affirmation, in some, and in the negation, in others.
Sorensen: I was interested in that problem during my doctorate in Philosophy, because I was struck, by the presumption through which it was as an undeniable fact, that psychology is a science. I think that by doing so, psychology runs the risk of taking the parts for the whole, in other words to fall into an automatism, when imagining that because there are theoretical models with a clear experimental inclination, such as occurs with the radical behaviourism of B.F. Skinner, and with cognitive-behavioural and systemic approaches, that then wrongly it could be assumed as something necessarily, its scientific status. Therefore according with the above, what actually happens, is that the attempts to flirt with science, can only be accepted as nothing more than mere manifestations of a sort of scientific mimic, similar to what occurs when it is said, that a swallow does not make Summer.
8. Jacobsen: When did you become interested in mathematical codes in the Kabbalah?
Sorensen: It was a process, some years ago that coincided when I lived with my family in the orthodox city of Bnei-Brak in Israel. There I was studying in a Yeshiva, and after visiting the tombs of Rabbi Akiva and Shimon bar Yorjai in Meron, although in that environment it was generally not considered correct to do so, I was motivated to study deeply the Zohar, since I had the hypothesis that there were mathematical codes, which are susceptible to be deciphered.
9. Jacobsen: Have you found anything so far?
Sorensen: I think that at least, I have the certainty of what it is not. In my opinion, the Kabbalah has different levels of depth or elevations, and from that point of view, its highest level would have to do with mathematical codes, but not in the form of numerology and gematria, which is how it is usually conceived, when assigning a numerical value to each of the twenty-two characters of the Hebrew alphabet, from which different combinations and interpretations are made afterwards. Rather, I believe that these mathematical codes, need to be found in what I will denominate as Black Kabbalah, which would be the opposite of the aforementioned, since they should be deciphered along and between the unwritten spaces, of the rows or lines that form the Torah texts.
10. Jacobsen: When did the original Kabbalah begin?
Sorensen: I believe that the origin of the Kabbalah, coincides with Abraham’s life as a patriarch. What is relevant about this historical landmark, is that it corresponds to the change in the nature of the Kabbalah, since at that time, it was a popular knowledge to which everyone had access. It was a little after that, that took a radical turn by becoming a hidden and secret wisdom, regarding which only a few had access, in concrete those that were expert in Torah and who lived strictly according to the Halacha. This last, was until about twenty years ago, indeed after that it was opened again, in order to spread its wisdom among those who were interested in acknowledging this path and put it into practice.
11. Jacobsen: How does looking for mathematical codes in the Kabbalah differ from looking for mathematical codes in other things?
Sorensen: The mathematical codes in other things, allow to reach some result, while in the codes of Kabbalah no results are reached, since their codes as such are an end in itself.
12. Jacobsen: What would be the central purpose of looking for codes in the Kabbalah?
Sorensen: The purpose is to take the reason beyond its own limits, that is to say, to be able to cross this dimension of which we’re aware in order to enter another, without knowing what we are going to find out, or what are the laws that will act on it, but at the same time by pre-sensing it as existing, since in certain way the latest implies no matter what plane is alluded, some degree of effective reality. Somehow it is similar, to expect to have an encounter with a loved one, after having only seen its silhouette, nevertheless with the intuition that once the veil is removed, it will be possible to contemplate the truth of its figure through the eyes of the soul.
13. Jacobsen: What are the health risks in boxing?
Sorensen: All the conceivable risks, including death. I somehow think, boxing is a way to get in touch with one’s own thanatian drive, and lastly to dance with death.
14. Jacobsen: Have you come to any definitive conclusions on psychology as a science or not, or, at least, on sub-disciplines within the remit of psychology?
Sorensen: Nothing is definitive, since nothing is more definitive than change. I think that it may still take about two or three centuries for psychology, to reach a scientific status, because in some way, it is similar to a chain that still lacks links, therefore can’t be recognizable as something delimited and distinguishable. For now, in my opinion, it is only a discipline that doesn’t own a respectable body of knowledge. Therefore, practically nothing can be said about its validity or not, due to the fact that occurs with it almost the same which happens with arts. Indeed both are legitimate knowledge, in an aesthetic sense, but are not valuable regarding their theoretical structure, from a measurable perspective. In other words strictly speaking, basically in the case of psychology, is not possible to determine if it is or it is not, a reflection of a given object in reality, in consequence can be concluded, from a scientific prism, that its theoretical models and systems, actually aren’t knowledge.
15. Jacobsen: What age did the beatings start? What age did the beatings stop?
Sorensen: They started when I was about two years old, when they forced me to walk with a belt pulling my stomach, because I didn’t want to do so, and they ended up at school when I was sixteen years old.
16. Jacobsen: Have you seen that clip of him ducking and dodging in latter middle age with incredible adeptness and speed, Tyson?
Sorensen: I did see him training for his fight with Evander Holyfield. He is in very good shape, and despite his age, Tyson has maintained his power and speed.
17. Jacobsen: Where was your biological father?
Sorensen: A few blocks from where I lived. I think, he never realized what was going on with the abuses. I believe that even though this topic, regarding the episodes of abuses and my adulterous origin, were an open secret, around it there also was a sort of very good compartment of information. Until his death, he was a partner in businesses with my stepfather. When I was a kid, I used to go to his house to play with my two half brothers, however when I had to do my preparations for the Bar-Mitzva, which we were going to do with one of them, since we had the same age, my stepfather suddenly objected it, and prevented me, from having contact with him and my half brothers again.
18. Jacobsen: What was your mother’s defense and/or reaction to the beatings by you stepfather?
Sorensen: Actually apart from praying, I think that nothing else.
19. Jacobsen: Do you still have the boxing gloves and the pushing ball?
Sorensen: They were kept in my parents’ house until not long ago, but I think that after they moved; they got rid of those things.
20. Jacobsen: Why attend Catholic school?
Sorensen: Because apart from the fact, that this school was socially very well seen, since it was frequented by wealthy families, my mother despite being of Jewish origin from her mother, and coming from a family that for generations, was secular and freemasonic, suddenly decided in life, while being married, to deny her origins and family traditions, by becoming an extremist Catholic, and by convincing my stepfather, to convert from Lutheranism to Catholicism.
21. Jacobsen: How many years in the Catholic school?
Sorensen: Six years.
22. Jacobsen: Was corporal punishment part of the school system?
Sorensen: In my particular case, I think so, since it was evident that the teachers and authorities endorse it, despite this situation, was not a generalized fact seen with other students. The way it was channelled, was through my classmates, and higher-level students.
23. Jacobsen: Why the bullying in the school? I recall Professor Noam Chomsky describing anti-Semitism so ‘thick that you could cut it with a knife’ back in his day.
Sorensen: As with all the actually unopened secrets, this case was not the exception, since everyone knew my story, but cynically nobody spoke openly and straightly about it. Here there was a lethal mixture, because on the one hand there was a strong anti-Semitism, due to the fact that my mother and I were considered pigs marranos, and also because she was seen as a whore, who was called to atone for her sins. I remember that several times, while my mother was seen passing by the large window of the classroom, the teacher and my classmates began to make anti-Semitic comments, and to say insults treating her as a prostitute, which right away triggered me to come to her defense, by being indeed openly sarcastic and scathing. Every time this occurred, I confronted them as usual, except on one occasion when the pan turned. That time as usual, they were laughing at my mother, but instead of having several fronts opened, I focused exclusively on the teacher, and like a belldog I did not loosen him, until he had no choice but to remain silent, and withdraw flushed with shame and rage from the classroom. Afterwards the priests wanted me to apologize, but since I refused to do so, they punished me suspending me from classes. Anyhow it was useful what I did, because even though the insults towards her continued as hallway rumors, at least they stopped uttering them in public.
24. Jacobsen: What is the win:loss ratio for the boxing bigger and stronger fighters in general for you?
Sorensen: 0:1 respectively, since regardless of the record of battles won, I don’t know any of them, that either for health reasons or for leading a life dissipated and wild, hasn’t lost everything in their existence.
25. Jacobsen: Any thoughts, or emotions really, onTyson’sappetite for flesh of the ear?
Sorensen: It was a desperate cry of helplessness, for not tolerating the frustration of being defeated in that match, and on his return to boxing, when he was already old, and after having an undefeated career.
26. Jacobsen: Does psychology qualify as a “discipline” on this level or merely as one on paper and not in practice?
Sorensen: I think that psychology, is similar to a paper tiger, since without even judging it, feels itself as if it was a science, when actually it is not in any sense. Nevertheless, it could be treated as a discipline, but not as an art, because unlike the latter, and although possesses a theoretical body, that strictly speaking, and due to the reason that is not validatable, from an empirical-experimental perspective, is neither knowledge, has from the other side, the intention of constituting scientific theoretical systems, through its work. In other words, while it is holding a deficiency in this context, on the other hand guides its intentionality, towards a last end. Therefore it is deducible to infer, that the scientific status for psychology, in a perfeasibility sense, which in turn, I would denominate as methodological reiteration, is associated with a constant and indefinite process of trial and error tests, based on a temporary asymptote, where the goal searched, should be reached at a certain indeterminate point, although this must be identified with a theoretical infinity.
27. Jacobsen: What psychological constructs seem to be delving into some level of deeper truths about the human condition and the human being?
Sorensen: I think that psychoanalytic models, as they deepen the understanding of the functioning of the unconscious and of conscious mechanisms, and the systematic procedural cognitive models as well, because they manage to study and integrate cognitions and feelings, with behaviours and inter-individual relationships, as forming parts of a systemic structure.
28. Jacobsen: What parts of psychology as currently practiced, in doctoral research and after, seem to hint at some roots – maybe using the aforementioned psychological constructs? Not necessarily “knowledge” as previously defined, but, rather, partial images or apparent reflections of real knowledge about human psychology.
Sorensen: I think that fundamentally it is circumscribed to neuro-psychology, since through it, the psychological functioning, that is to say the behaviour, cognitions and affections, are landed to a biological base or substratum, which means that between the psychological and the biological factors, one of them tends to be automatically scientized.
29. Jacobsen: What is Noetics?
Sorensen: It is the critical study of knowledge, that seeks to value it, in relation to its formal logical validity, and to the ontological reality.
30. Jacobsen: What demarcates this as a legitimate form of inquiry and thinking?
Sorensen: The logical principles.
31. Jacobsen: What would delegitimize it as a form of inquiry and thinking?
Sorensen: To confuse validity with truth.
32. Jacobsen: What are the roots of Noetics, etymologically?
Sorensen: It comes from the Greek word noetikos, which means, what is related to the nous, that strictly speaking signifies the capacity to intellegy immediately an idea, that is to say without the need, as occurs with logos, of the intermediation of discursive reasonings.
33. Jacobsen: Why the neologism?
Sorensen: Because a man is like a planet, since it doesn’t have holes. Therefore needs neologisms, to emphasize the fact of having its own world, and for leaving spaces in language, due to the reason that metaphor cannot give it.
34. Jacobsen: What are its objects of study, relations of orienting the objects of study, and operations by which to perform studies on the objects and the relations in Noetics?
Sorensen: Noetics is equivalent to gnoseology, therefore encompasses all the objects of thought, including those that regard intuition, in the sense of intus legere, and of the epistemic ones as well, which are related to science.
35. Jacobsen: Where were your siblings or extended family during the beatings or the talk within the family, if any, about the beatings?
Sorensen: I was the oldest one. I had a godmother, who was Jewish and a psychologist. She was always very concerned about me, and several times confronted my stepfather, when he found out that I was beaten or mistreated. Every year, in my birthdays, we spent the whole day together. Once, she gave me a pair of sneakers, that I loved very much, and I had wanted them for a long time. When I got home, my stepfather forced me to return them, threatening me not to tell her the real reason, because he had warned me not to ask those sneakers, since as a Jew I had to get used to receiving only second-hand gifts. When I went to her, I was very scared, but even though I tried to find justifications, she realized what was going on, and immediately went to confront him. The short story of it, was that I managed to keep the sneakers, and my stepfather had to resign himself and could not reprimand me.
36. Jacobsen: What was the rest of the family’s opinion of your stepfather?
Sorensen: My stepfather, as father, was absolutely different with all my half brothers. He has always been very loving and concerned, and has never beaten or mistreated them. In turn, they love him very much, and have always seen his parental figure as a good role model. My mother, for her part, has suffered a lot with being married in every way, but has never done something, because she has always preferred her comforts above anything else. The rest of the family, has always been clear about the abysmal differences he made with me in relation to my half brothers. Even it could be said, that they were scandalized by these abusing behaviours, and in fact many times they teared their clothes for this reason, but in summary, they preferred never to get too much involved into it, as a manner of avoiding any kind of conflicts.
37. Jacobsen: How many times did your mother marry or remarry? What about your biological father and stepfather?
Sorensen: My mother has been married only once. What happened to me, was a slip within the marriage, that has been kept with seven locks in order to maintain social appearances and a good reputation. When my mother was dating my stepfather, she introduced him with my biological father, who was, in turn, the boyfriend of her best friend since they were girls, so that they could do business with each other. With the passage of time, my mother lost her best friend, because this last never forgave what she did being friends. After a while they got divorced, and they both continued to have businesses in common, although with a tense and distant relationship, until he died almost thirty years ago.
38. Jacobsen: What do beatings do to children? How do young men and adolescent boys, even quite young boys, react to physical beatings or emotional-verbal berating?
Sorensen: They harm them in every way, by leaving wounds, that although they can lick them alone, as dogs do to heal themselves, can never be erased, because they remain as indelible traces of suffering. I think that they react depending on each case, with a lot of frustration, anger and fear, for feeling powerless, of not being able to do anything to change that situation, and at the same time, they feel guilty and responsible for believing that they are the cause that ultimately provoked these abuses.
39. Jacobsen: Do you believe there are lifelong impacts from these things, these actions, on the young?
Sorensen: For this life and the other if there is any.
40. Jacobsen: What is the psychology of the abuser?
Sorensen: To joyfully take advantage of the weakest, and if suffering is showed and mercy is implored, then to continue until they burst.
41. Jacobsen: How did the Catholic hierarchs react within this context of the beatings?
Sorensen: By supporting them, and participating with psychological abuses.
42. Jacobsen: What parts has psychology mistaken for the whole?
Sorensen: I think that the existential-humanistic theoretical models, including the transpersonal and bio-energetic psychology.
43. Jacobsen: What are some of the more modern manifestations of this automatism in psychology?
Sorensen: Everything that has to do with the development, and sale of techniques and therapeutic approaches, that offer outcomes that in most cases only have placebo effects, and when they could have any results, these are not sufficiently objectified.
44. Jacobsen: Why were you studying in a Yeshiva at the time?
Sorensen: Because I wanted to accompany the son of my wife, who was living there, and because some rabbis who were considered Tzadikim, estimated that I was blessed by God for the intelligence I had, and they proposed to me to study for becoming a rabbi.
45. Jacobsen: Do you believe the Catholic school wealthy, elite, and anti-Semitic environment carved an independence of mind and a steadfastness in spite of the difficulties of life for you?
Sorensen: I think so. I also think, that it taught me to relativize things, to integrate the good and bad aspects of the objects, and to have a very sharp tongue as well. Sometimes though, paradoxical things happened, due to the fact that many times my mother caught my attention, when I was a child, because according to her, since I was five years old, I had done psychological bullying to my stepfather, who afterwards reacted with anger. I take advantage of mentioning this, because he was also involved in the mistreatment of the school, matter that was recognized by himself, since he had asked the authorities of the school, to do what was necessary, in order to teach me to be more humble. In this regard, I remember that when I was about eight years old, to some extent I liked to debate existential issues, since in this way I had the access key to place him at a crossroads. In concrete, I enjoyed to get to the point in the discussion, where I heard that his stomach was starting to make strange noises, and he had to interrupt abruptly the conversation, for going right away to the bathroom. The fact that he had indigestion, for listening to me, was the moment, in which without the need of using violence with aggressive words or blows, I felt the certainty of having achieved a victory, through a gesture that meant more than a thousand words, and that had a subtlety and cynicism that exceeded that of the priests.
46. Jacobsen: Why focus on Rabbi Akiva and Shimon bar Yorjai?
Sorensen: Because Rabbi Akiva, was one of the most memorable Tzadikim, and since he had been the teacher of Shimon bar Yojai. And regarding the latter, due to the fact that I consider that he is the father of the Kabbalah, because by was capable to put in written form, what represents its most important text, since until then this was only known by oral tradition, and which in turn has allowed to perpetuate the knowledge and study of this wisdom, throughout the centuries.
47. Jacobsen: Have you been juxtaposing and working on the relations between (white) kabbalah and “black kabbalah”? Why did Madonna get into it?
Sorensen: No, since I think that white Kabbalah takes the wrong path. Why Madonna got into Kabbalah? I think that for the same reason why she eats Sushi.
48. Jacobsen: 14 years of familial, schoolmate, and educational authority beatings. No doubt, this would leave an indelible impression. What is the symptomatology for you?
Sorensen: I think that I have gone through several symptomatologies during my life, some of which still persist today. When I was a child and adolescent, I tended to somatize my anguishes and fears in different physical ailments, which in adulthood have mutated and have led me to be a hypochondriac. And as horizontal symptomatology, historically speaking, the fear of rejection and loneliness.
49. Jacobsen: With this “methodological reiteration” and “constant and indefinite process of trial and error tests” aimed at an ‘infinite hypothetical point,’ where does this leave us in comprehension of the full human being, i.e., of the human “soul”?
Sorensen: In the letter h of the word human.
50. Jacobsen: Why was your biological father so disconnected?
Sorensen: I actually do not know. I think that with my mother there was a kind of folie de deux, since she suffers from the same syndrome. An example that demonstrates the aforementioned, was when once, taking advantage of the fact that my stepfather was travelling, she invited him to the house, but instead of being both alone, she profited off the opportunity for making a blind date with a friend of hers, who was a top model of the time.
51. Jacobsen: Why did they divorce?
Sorensen: Because apparently, she never got over his infidelity, and all the farce that was created around this story, for trying to save social appearances. According to my mother, she never spoke to her again, and unlike him, who never remarried or had a partner again, she literally untied herself, to make her ex-husband suffer in the same way, and that’s why she first married a footballer from the low leagues, and after a while she kept jumping from one partner to another.
52. Jacobsen: As a son of a divorced family and someone abused by a replacement male authority figure, did you ever fear this manifestation in later life from you – in either case?
Sorensen: Before marriage yes, after being married no. I think, it is necessary to distinguish between being afraid of something, and being aware of the evil of it.
53. Jacobsen: Of the “forming parts of a systemic structure,” what seems like the true substructure here?
Sorensen: The black box.
54. Jacobsen: With the “biological base or substratum,” does this seem to hint closer to the “systemic structure”?
Sorensen: The psychological functioning, is mediated by neuro-biology, and the outcome from that intersection, is what I will denominate as neuro-psycho-biological substrate or biological base. Therefore, and strictly speaking, there would be three systematic structures, of which I am going to name respectively the two formers as pure, and the last one as mixed.
55. Jacobsen: Why should there be a systemic structure?
Sorensen: Because in each of them, there are parts that form a whole, nevertheless that whole is not equivalent to the mere sum of its parts, but rather to the different interactions that the parts maintain with each other.
56. Jacobsen: What can the evolution of homo sapiens tell us about such a hypothetical systemic structure via its biological substratum?
Sorensen: What it indicates, is that it evolves through the biological substratum, and that this last, is what makes the systemic structure increasingly complex.
57. Jacobsen: Could this be a systemic theoretical framework for understanding while the system itself lacks a true integration to such an extent so as to remove the possibility of a systemic structure – akin to the idea some time ago of zero connect between the conscious and the unconscious?
Sorensen: I think that in this context, the idea of system goes beyond itself as such, since more than one are interacting with each other, therefore it is reductive and simplistic to think univocally and singularly about it. In consequence rather than believing in one systemic structure, I would say that multiple systems form what I will denominate as mega-structure, due to the fact that all of them simultaneously belong to the same main system, which is not equivalent to be sub-systems, since they have in common an identical operational or functional sense, but on the other hand, each of them has an independent structure with its own and different properties.
58. Jacobsen: Did you “burst”?
Sorensen: I do not think so. In this sense, since I believe that energy is a constant, and then that it cannot be eliminated, but only transformed and channelled through something, is that I decided ultimately not to exploit. What I actually did, was to intentionally accumulate all the energy, and afterwards to focus it on a predetermined objective as a target. In other words, what I managed to do, was to drive it by cathectizing its force through alternating forms, in order to use them chameleonically depending on each circumstance, and of what I was needing according to them.
59. Jacobsen: Why the difference in treatment of siblings, at root?
Sorensen: Because I believe that when my stepfather, saw the intelligence difference that he and my siblings had with me, he realized that it was equivalent to what he and my siblings have with gorillas. And perhaps, he surely imagined, that this has happened because my mother, unlike to what occurred when they were making my brothers, touched the stars of pleasure when she was making me with my biological father… With these last words, I am only repeating what she herself has said.
60. Jacobsen: If intelligence is carried via the mother, what do the siblings do now? How is this intelligence manifested?
Sorensen: They are vile puppets handled and dominated by my stepfather. It should not be forgotten, that although the intelligence is inherited from the mother, this is a hereditary polygenic characteristic, therefore there is no guarantee, that they inherit the same intelligence, and in fact statistically speaking, it is highly improbable, not to say it’s pretty impossible, to repeat more than once, the same event of having a son with immeasurable intelligence.
61. Jacobsen: Even with the high heritability of intelligence from the mother, and even with the abusive environment never escaped, what does this state about the sociocultural strictures on women in our societies?
Sorensen: That unfortunately almost all women are like paper, since they bear everything.
62. Jacobsen: What have been some of the uses of the cathectized energy?
Sorensen: Generally, it has been for exercising what I denominate the right of reply, which translates in knowing how to wait for a space, that I will name as timing, and then to use the hidden meanings through what is said, but is not articulately expressed within the language, that ultimately I will objectify by utilizing the mechanism of the joke and its effect, as an empirical parameter, in order to evaluate its effectiveness.
63. Jacobsen: Why do women “bear everything”?
Sorensen: Because they seek a master and lord, over whom they can reign.
64. Jacobsen: With the two pure substrates and the mixed substrate, what can estate about each substrate?
Sorensen: That respectively the neuro-biological substrate, has a purely material nature, in the anatomical and physiological sense, that the psychological base has a purely immaterial nature, that it could be viewed as psycho-spirituality, and that the neuro-psycho biological order, has a mixed nature, which I will denominate as transitional, since constantly and dynamically flows through a continuum, that goes from the extreme of pure psycho-spirituality, towards the other that is purely anatomical and physiological.
65. Jacobsen: Will this mega-structure be forever opaque given the subjective nature of experience and the use of subjective experience to gather some approximations of the material phenomena correlated to experiences?
Sorensen: I am not sure of that, because the fact that the subject points out his experience, as something to which he can attributes a transcendence, in the sense of not giving to it any spatiality, and of presuming it with a sort of life of its own, does not imply necessarily that objectively speaking, this could not be found in any part of the mega-structure, and even more, that probably the root of its origin could not be limited to this last. Therefore, it’s plausible to deduce that further behind its origin within the mega-structure, nothing else would exist regarding the subjective experience. I think that perhaps what occurs, is the opposite, since actually this would be the mega-structure that makes opaque the latest.
66. Jacobsen: Does mega-structure mean something like a complex in this orientation?
Sorensen: The mega-structure, is a systemic body, that apart from being subject to feedback mechanisms, integrates material and immaterial natures, as relative entities, since rather than integrating them into a mixture, where each one would maintain their intrinsic properties despite the whole they form, what it does, is to hybridize both through states, that are in permanent dynamism, and that are constantly changing.
67. Jacobsen: Why do the more intelligent tend to have fewer children while the highly intelligent and beyond trend towards no children whatsoever?
Sorensen: I think that there is an evolutionary force, that interprets intelligence to the extent that it becomes more extreme, as if it was a genetic mutation, and therefore nature operates on it, in the same way as it generally does with malformations. Consequently, natural selection, would also act in order to limit its survival, which could be seen as an expression of pettiness or envy. Nevertheless in this context, instead of doing this with the weakest, does so with the intention to exclude the excessively intelligent as strong individuals, since these just occur with the weakest and the most defective ones, would lastly break the balance within nature.
68. Jacobsen: Have you largely been separated, disenfranchised, and left apart, estranged, from parents and siblings in adult life? In either case, do you have any wishes regarding it?
Sorensen: I think that all of the above, has happened to me in different measures, and everything has been magnified in my adulthood, since despite the consideration that my siblings and stepfather, as well as my mother with her accommodating attitudes, towards luxuries and her comfort zone, think of themselves, that is a model of a Catholic family, who preaches Christian charity permanently, and attends mass daily, they have completely excluded and excised me from their family, due to my origins and for being a free lay thinker, to the point that literally, I do not have the right to enter to the house of my parents, not even for using the bathroom in case of need. All of the aforementioned, is a story that I am just describing, nevertheless, I think that to forget, first it’s necessary to remember, and since I still remember, and I wish to continue remembering for a long time, I’m not in a hurry to forget. Besides, neither I am willing to milk cows that are dead. Anyhow, the positive matter about this tale, is that even though apparently anything belongs to me, materially speaking, due to the reason that they intend by all means to disinherit me, I am on the other hand fortunate, because regarding love, I have a certainty that few can have.
69. Jacobsen: How is the hypochondriatism directed?
Sorensen: Making my wife dizzy with it several times per day, and visiting the doctor often with the phantom of my imaginary diseases.
70. Jacobsen: Why have the existential-humanistic theoretical models failed?
Sorensen: Because they have become a sort of religion.
71. Jacobsen: In turn, with the elephant on the chopping block, why has traditional religion failed?
Sorensen: Because they are all totemic cults, that have idealized the murdered father, by turning this figure into a deity to venerate.
72. Jacobsen: Following the previous question, why have atheism and humanism failed in the current form?
Sorensen: More than humanism, it is the existentialism that has failed, at the same time that on the other hand, atheism is not equivalent in this context to atheistic existentialism, since I think that what has failed, is rather the latest, and not atheism as such. What’s been occurring, especially in the case of the french existential-humanism or existentialism, is that they have straightly become a light or soft vitalism or nihilism, that’s unable to explain enough, the notion of none-ness or existential emptiness, which leaves in my opinion, the concept of existing-being locked in a tautological circle.
73. Jacobsen: If I remember right, with a 185+ (S.D. 15) on the WAIS-R, then this means a highest score known to me on the most consistently legitimate tests with the WAIS, SB, and RAPM as the top three. Of individuals “known to me” with two tips of the hat to Kirk Kirkpatrick with 185 (S.D. 15) on the SB and Katsioulis 180+ (S.D. 15) on the WAIS-R, you’re the one. We have covered this ground. The stars appear to have aligned that time. Now, this leads to some interesting neuro-biological, neuro-anatomical speculation, Einstein had more glial cells. Any speculation as to the differences one might find in the brain for you?
Sorensen: They will surely find many more neurons than the ones Langan & Co. have, and that the rest of the ones who are at the top of the loop have.
74. Jacobsen: How did this fear of rejection and loneliness play out in life, personal and professional?
Sorensen: When I have felt one of both, I have replaced the original feeling associated to it, with another that has opposite valence.
75. Jacobsen: With much defunct societal status, inflated IQs, and the like, in the high-IQ world, the falsehoods cannot last forever. When will the reckoning for high-IQ societies come down on them even more, as they have – given the graveyards and the personality controversies?
Sorensen: When it is found, that none of those gods of Olympus, of imaginary ego-inflating games, is capable of solving any important problem for humanity.
76. Jacobsen: Have others of high intelligence been demonized within the family? Who? Is it the same reasons over and over, or various reasons depending on context (or both)?
Sorensen: You, should respond yourself that dilemma. Next.
77. Jacobsen: What are common misconceptions of noetics?
Sorensen: The fact to believe that noetics is equivalent to the philosophy of science, that this last differs from epistemology, and to think that the latest would be an activity of science, which is supposed to be developed with respect to each of its particular fields of knowledge.
78. Jacobsen: What “logical principles”?
Sorensen: They would be respectively the principles of non-contradiction, identity, and excluded third party. Additionally would be the principle of sufficient reason, since although it is not logical, because it is ontological, it is nevertheless related to the previous ones. From my point of view, there is a fifth within them, that’s also ontological, and which I will denominate as the principle of necessary reason.
79. Jacobsen: What differentiates “validity” and “truth” in this context?
Sorensen: The fact that validity, refers to truth from the point of view of complex or logical discursive reasonings, while truth as such, has relation to the correspondence between the essence and existence of being.
80. Jacobsen: How would one confuse validity with truth?
Sorensen: To the extent that both can be part of a deductive affirmation, in the same or opposite senses, since they can be invalid and false, valid and true, invalid and true or valid and false.
81. Jacobsen: With noetics as gnoseology, what are its unifying bases, premises in its field of inquiry?
Sorensen: The concepts of logos apophantikos in relation to the ones of essence, existence, and being.
82. Jacobsen: As a critical while friendly inquiry, how does this add to the discussion now?
Sorensen: By adding the rest of the discussion, from the beginning and from the end, so that this looks like a sort of ham in the sandwich.
83. Jacobsen: How could this be misused or abused as a system of inquiry via faith-based traditions or through purely empiric traditions?
Sorensen: I think that by taking, what I consider to be the fundamental noetic concepts, as if they were sort of rocks, which would mean to interpret them unequivocally, as if they were pieces of reality, and without recognizing that their value is precisely the opposite, since they never reach to fully squeeze the reality, because noesis as an act of perceiving or intellectually conceiving the thing, would necessarily be imperfect, due to the fact that a part of the thing itself, is going to always be hidden or veiled in terms of gnosis.
84. Jacobsen: Who are others who pioneered this field?
Sorensen: Unless you consider that I pioneered this field, there can’t be others, since yet I have not named anyone.
85. Jacobsen: Who are the current leaders in this field?
Sorensen: There are no who, since nobody is.
86. Jacobsen: Who are frauds proposing to be part of this field?
Sorensen: Scientists, who intend to do epistemology of their own sciences.
87. Jacobsen: In this reality of the opacity of apprehension of the totality of the real, why are the search for, attempt to define, and efforts to encapsulate ultimate truth, penultimate truth, absolute truth, utter truth, undivided truth, perfect or pure truth, or non-relative or non-variable truth, or whatever other name one wants to use to grasp at the same idea of Truth, simply futile for thousands of years in the past to the present, even now, and forever into the future?
Sorensen: Fortunately this attempt is useless, since otherwise, the advance of knowledge would have already been stopped. The only thing that identifies with the truth, in terms of an absolute, is a nirvanal state, that actually would be identical to death, due to the fact that as such, is the only moment, in which what there is, undeniably is a forceful response, which does not need any questioning or completion by something. For this reason, if the aforementioned wants to be seeing from an existential point of view, then death, is a blind point in where a state of perfect equilibrium which equals zero, and a state of vacuum totality coincide.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Independent Philosopher.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-nine; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Christian Sorensen on Noetics or Gnoseology (Part Nine) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-nine.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 1). An Interview with Christian Sorensen on Noetics or Gnoseology (Part Nine). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-nine.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Christian Sorensen on Noetics or Gnoseology (Part Nine). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-nine>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Christian Sorensen on Noetics or Gnoseology (Part Nine).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-nine.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Christian Sorensen on Noetics or Gnoseology (Part Nine).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-nine.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Christian Sorensen on Noetics or Gnoseology (Part Nine)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-nine>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Christian Sorensen on Noetics or Gnoseology (Part Nine)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-nine.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Christian Sorensen on Noetics or Gnoseology (Part Nine).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-nine>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Christian Sorensen on Noetics or Gnoseology (Part Nine) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-nine.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,370
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson founded Hawkeye Associates. Carey Linde founded Divorce for Men (Law Offices of Carey Linde). They discuss: the most sensitive political and social outgrowths of transgenderism and transsexualism; furtherance of these, positive and negative, social and political outgrowths; Canadian society; and freedom of expression.
Keywords: Carey Linde, Divorce for Men, Hawkeye Associates, Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson, transgenderism, transmen, transwomen.
An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Gender and the Law: Founder, Divorce for Men (Law Offices of Carey Linde) & Founder, Hawkeye Associates (Part Two)[1],[2]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: As the 2010s rolled past us, what were the most sensitive political and social outgrowths of transgenderism and transsexualism in this period?
Carey Linde: If you mean for the trans community, it was the developing collectivity of community. This increasing conspicuous collectivity in the public eye caused the very phobia from which the community wished to escape. As with acceptance of blacks and gays over time, gender identity issues and people are ubiquitous in the media. It is all less sensitive to a growing progressive set of the population. At the same time, the faith based right is rallying and dangerous. Gender radical feminists are under literal attack by the trans warriors.
Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson: Transwomen have been extremely sensitive to being accepted as women, and have battled for recognition often using the courts and human rights tribunals. A coalition of women is challenging their right to compete in women’s sports, occupy women’s safe spaces such as women’s washrooms and shelters, and access special female funding and programming for education and career development. It is interesting that transmen have not faced the same resistance from the vast majority of men. I can see a number of possible reasons for this difference. First, it is possible that men are more accepting of diversity as compared to women. Second, it is possible that women do not want to share their special privileges with people they do not recognize as women, and that would include allowing people who have had the physical advantages of growing muscle and bone density in a testosterone rich environment competing in competitions reserved for women. Third, in some situations, women may have a genuine fear that people with penises who claim to be women may be a threat to their safety.
2. Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, what might be a furtherance of these, positive and negative, social and political outgrowths of these issues?
Linde: Increasing acceptance by hopefully the majority will make life less dysphoric for most. The conservative right will become more harsh and succeed in passing laws against what they don’t like. Freedom of speech will be a major victim. It already is.
Robertson: Relying on recent federal legislation, the Ontario courts have forced the Ontario Minor Hockey Association to allow adolescents with female bodies to change in male change rooms. This is the kind of social experiment no university ethics committee would ever approve. One of two outcomes is possible. Either a number of people with girl’s bodies will be sexually assaulted by adolescent boys, or they will not. If we don’t see sexual assaults flowing from this experiment then we may reasonably decide that we do not need separate facilities for males and females at least for safety reasons. We are beginning to see this change with respect to the washroom issue. If, on the other hand, we see a number of sexual assaults, the logical conclusion would be to end the experiment; however, I don’t think that will happen. I think politically, the politicians behind the experiment will refuse to accept its failure. They will double down with increasing expensive measures to protect the genetically female while engaging in male-blaming, perhaps with references to “toxic masculinity.” But we as a society do not need to follow them down this hole.
I think we need to begin by acknowledging that people on both sides of this issue have valid points and concerns. As a society, we need to construct a synthesis from the thesis presented by the transactivists and the antithesis represented by the growing feminist-traditionalist coalition. We can only achieve this by respectfully listening to all concerns and responding to those concerns with sympathy. Scratch any scared or angry person and you will likely find a good person inside.
3. Jacobsen: Mr. Linde, how is Canadian society more dysphoric than in the past? How can Canadian society become less dysphoric than at present with the issues of transsexuality and transgenderism more in the public consciousness now?
Linde: There are great works written that diagnose the malaise, alienation, addictive self destruction and dysphoria experienced by most of mankind in the present stages of world corporate capitalism etc. Canadians among them. With some exceptions, life is more stressful and not less. “…transsexuality and transgenderism in the public consciousness” is a freak out knee jerk ego offended reaction. One percent or less of the North American population has captured a historic position in the broad political, cultural and social media consciousness. The ubiquitous question is how did this happen so fast and why?
Many explanations are given. All making a contribution. No single answer has rung the bell yet. One of the new phenomena fueling the panic is the increasing number of young girls and women deciding that being a boy in this world is a safer bet than being a girl. And the medical profession and big pharma is right their to enable this delusion.
Robertson: We have the situation of men being more accepting of transmen than women are of transwomen. The hypothesis that men are more accepting of diversity would require more study across different groups; however such an explanation would be more acceptable to feminists than the obvious alternative, that biological women are protecting their privileges from competition while men have no such privileges to protect.
If men are more accepting of diversity, it would have to be a function of socialization. The testosterone that gives men their sexuality also translates into stronger bones, more muscle mass, and increased aggression and competitiveness. These latter two traits were necessary in traditional hunter gathering societies to fearlessly challenge competitors, both predatory and human, to protect bands that were essentially extended families. But aggression and competitiveness needs to be controlled or channelled if civilization is to work. Religion played a pivotal role in controlling and channelling male aggressive instincts in the formative years of our human civilizations. We have largely transcended religion by secularizing our ethics and expanding their application to all humanity, as for example, with the establishment of universal human rights. And we have been incredibly successful. Steven Pinker has meticulously documented how we now have fewer homicides, fewer deaths due to war, more gender equality and lower poverty than ever before in human history.
The argument would be then that the history of civilization is, at least in part, a history of controlling and channelling male testosterone. That aggression has been channelled into business, sports, politics and protection of the nation-state. Men have been conditioned to increasingly ignore minor or insubstantive difference, but of course there are numerous variables that also influence behaviour in particular contexts. Of concern to me is that tribalism has been increasing with a recent focus on ideological, cultural and racial identities and that this will result in breaking down the more universal humanist ethic. To take the argument full circle then, if the process of civilization included the aspect of controlling and channelling male testosterone-linked behaviours, then we would expect that women would have been less affected by this aspect of socialization. This would have left women more susceptible to ancient xenophobic fears including fear of “the other.”
4. Jacobsen: Dr. Robertson, Mr. Linde opines, “Freedom of speech will be a major victim. It already is.” Is this true to you, too? If so, what forms of freedom of speech, as a colloquialism for freedom of expression? Mr. Linde, on the same note, who have been the central culprits in the reduction in freedom of speech? To both of you, why them?
Linde: The central culprits in killing free speech are public institutions (such as universities and libraries) and the mainstream corporate media. Having said this, on the evening of Fer 1 I attended a hotly protested talk at the Seattle Public Library by WoLF radical feminists. Seattle’s finest had to come in and haul off demonstrators who were set on denying women the right to speak. And in March the Vancouver Public Library will be reversing previous denials and permitting radical feminists to rent space for a function. This is a good sign for libraries. Now if only the universities would come out of hiding.
Robertson: I agree with Carey that freedom of speech is threatened, but I would add that it has always been in a vulnerable position. I have argued that the modern human self capable of individual volition and objective thought is a cultural artefact that evolved more than 3,000 years ago (see: Free Will), and that modern religions evolved, in part, to control and restrict the individual volition inherent in this self. Galileo, for example, was imprisoned for observing that there were moons circling Jupiter. Such observations undermined the Catholic Church’s then geocentric view of the universe. Fundamentalists and literalists from all major religions hold that their dogma is “revealed truth” superseding any contrary findings of science or philosophy. Until recently, that view was on the defensive worldwide; however, the attack on science and reason has been enjoined from a different direction.
On the surface, postmodernism which holds that all “truths” are provisional based on time and context appears democratic. The logic of postmodernism holds that there are different “ways of knowing” and that all are provisionally true. In keeping with this, Tom Strong of the University of Calgary stated that science is merely a “white, male way of knowing.” Similarly, some feminists have coined the somewhat sexist term “mansplaining” to counter males when they use logic to refute some aspect of feminist dogma. I pointed out to Dr. Strong one and one half decades ago that if science were only a “white, male way of knowing,” the holocaust would be a Jewish male way of knowing (most of the writers on the subject are male), and the colonization of the Americas is only an indigenous way of knowing. With postmodern relativism each identity group conflates belief with truth ignoring or discounting evidence that may undermine that “truth.” But when framed as “truth” instead of “belief,” people exercising their freedom of speech to deny “my truth” is felt to be offensive. Hence, we have seen people “deplatformed” from speaking at universities and libraries, and we have even seen university professors fired for not speaking the “truth” of the dominant ideology. In my forthcoming book I point out the roots of postmodernism in German fascism, and I believe that it inevitably leads to totalitarianism.
I think we can agree that transsexual people have a human right to freedom of expression which is, of course, a broader concept than freedom of speech. Concomitantly, radical feminists, traditional women, and fathers such as the one Carey is representing need to be heard. But there can be no dialogue without differentiating between subjective realities and objective reality. If we do not respect science and reason, then we are left with different “tribes” shouting at each other with no discourse possible.
[1] Founder, Divorce for Men (Law Offices of Carey Linde). Founder, Hawkeye Associates.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-two; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Gender and the Law (Part Two) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-two.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 1). An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Gender and the Law (Part Two). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-two.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Gender and the Law (Part Two). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-two>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Gender and the Law (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-two.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Gender and the Law (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-two.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Gender and the Law (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-two>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Gender and the Law (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-two.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Gender and the Law (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-two>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Carey Linde and Dr. Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson on Gender and the Law (Part Two) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/linde-robertson-two.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,912
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Claus Volko is an Austrian computer and medical scientist who has conducted research on the treatment of cancer and severe mental disorders by conversion of stress hormones into immunity hormones. This research gave birth to a new scientific paradigm which he called “symbiont conversion theory”: methods to convert cells exhibiting parasitic behaviour to cells that act as symbionts. In 2013 Volko, obtained an IQ score of 172 on the Equally Normed Numerical Derivation Test. He is also the founder and president of Prudentia High IQ Society, a society for people with an IQ of 140 or higher, preferably academics. He discusses: Community; high-IQ societies; the gifted; the positives and the negatives of a high-IQ society; the purposes of high-IQ societies in the early 21st century; decent alternative intelligence tests; independent test makers; other ways in which the gifted and talented can socialize; intelligence tests; the high-IQ societies; liberal leanings and atheism; neural correlates; the most talented people; other personality traits; Selective Graph Coloring Problem; ‘the satisfiability problem of the logic of statements’; ‘proof of non-existence’; the ‘second-order P-NP problem’; the 2048 game; Godel’s incompleteness theorems; ‘Numeric Thermal Bridge Simulation and Building Information Modeling’; the games between 2010 and 2019; synthesis of metaphysics and Jungian Personality Theory; and skepticism and pseudoskepticism.
Keywords: Claus Volko, high-IQ, IQ, societies.
An Interview with Claus Volko on High-IQ Societies (Part Five)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let’s talk about community. I have been asking some of these questions to some of the other interviewees. What defines a community?
Claus Volko: Common interests.
2. Jacobsen: What high-IQ societies seem the most reliable to you?
Volko: Most high IQ societies are not much more than websites with member lists. Some have magazines, too, but hardly any have real-life meetings. The only exception I know is Mensa, which hosts gatherings here in Vienna every month. However, I have left Mensa due to internal
conflicts and founded my own high IQ society, Prudentia. We have a journal and a member list, plus a Facebook group, so it is not much, but at least something.
Also, many high IQ individuals are nowadays directly connected via Facebook regardless of society membership.
3. Jacobsen: How can the gifted find community in high-IQ societies?
Volko: They can connect with other members and talk to them about their interests. However, in most high IQ societies people only talk about IQ testing.
4. Jacobsen: What are the positives and the negatives of a high-IQ society?
Volko: There are only positive aspects.
5. Jacobsen: What seem like the purposes of high-IQ societies in the early
21st century?
Volko: In theory, they could form an alternative intellectual community next
to academia.
6. Jacobsen: What seem like decent alternative intelligence tests for individuals to take now? If someone is extremely serious about the most accurate assessment, why should they take a proctored-by-professional mainstream intelligence test, e.g., a WAIS, a Stanford-Binet, or RAPM up to date, test?
Volko: Of these tests, I have only taken the RAPM, which does not measure extreme scores. I heard that the WAIS measures up to IQ 185, so if somebody suspects they are in this range, the WAIS might be the test of choice for them. The so-called high range tests which can be found on the Internet have been made by laypersons and are not normed based on large samples.
7. Jacobsen: What independent test makers seem more serious than others?
Volko: I think tests by Nikolaos Soulios, Jason Betts and Ivan Ivec are pretty decent.
8. Jacobsen: Are there other ways in which the gifted and talented can socialize and find others with similar gifts and interests other than high-IQ societies?
Volko: Sure, they can socialize in special interest communities as to be found on Facebook.
9. Jacobsen: What do intelligence tests, commonly construed, seem to miss in testing intelligence?
Volko: Sometimes I had the feeling that they were lacking text understanding.
10. Jacobsen: What do you think is missing in some of the high-IQ societies?
Volko: Real-life meetings.
11. Jacobsen: Why does higher intelligence tend to correlate positively with liberal leanings and atheism in some preliminary studies in psychology?
Volko: I think it is due to Occam’s razor. Highly intelligent people tend to be more rational than other people and due to Occam’s razor they are more likely to adopt liberal and atheist views than views that require more axiomatic definitions.
12. Jacobsen: As a question from a non-doctor to a doctor, what are the neural correlates and cognitive correlates or proxies of higher general intelligence? What should be physiological signs and neurological, and anatomical, signals of higher general intelligence if one does want to estimate higher general intelligence without a formal general intelligence test?
Volko: I do not know of any. Maybe there are some publications in the area but as far as I know no statistically significant anatomical properties of high intelligence people have been found.
13. Jacobsen: Who are some of the most talented people know to you? Why them?
Volko: I know some highly talented people from the computer demoscene in which I was active in my youth. For example, Henning Ludvigsen is a very talented graphic artist and Kostantinos Pataridis is a very talented computer programmer.
14. Jacobsen: Other than a positive correlation, not a causation-relationship, between higher intelligence and atheism & liberalism. What other personality traits, beliefs, even prejudices or lack thereof, seem to correlate positively (or negatively, or not at all) with high general intelligence? What about the outliers to these general trends of 5 points here or there per variable consideration? Some speculate about the truly higher levels of general intelligence and then belief in a ‘higher power,’ but these studies have not been done in meta-analyses, as far as I know – so that’s ideological speculative reasoning grounded in bias more than anything else with scattered data points in the record.
Volko: When I was a member of Mensa, I observed that hardly anyone drank alcohol at Mensa meetings. This was in stark contrast to my classmates at high school.
15. Jacobsen: Time for miscellaneous Volko questions, rapid-fire round: What did you find with the Selective Graph Coloring Problem in the master’s thesis?
Volko: I developed an algorithm based on variable neighborhood search and other metaheuristics to solve a problem from graph theory approximately. It worked well and fast, but other authors’ algorithms led to better results.
16. Jacobsen: What is ‘the satisfiability problem of the logic of statements’?
Volko: When having a propositional statement, the question is whether you can assign values “true” and “false” to the variables so that the statement becomes true.
17. Jacobsen: What is the ‘proof of non-existence’?
Volko: As I told you when we talked about Popper, existential statements can be easily proven but it is very hard or even impossible to disprove them. The proof of non-existence is the disproval of an existential statement.
18. Jacobsen: What is the P-NP problem? What is the ‘second-order P-NP problem’?
Volko: The P-NP problem is the open question whether two instances of complexity theory called P and NP are the same or not. The Second-Order P-NP Problem is a term I coined for one of my publications as I asked the question whether the P-NP Problem can be solved at all.
19. Jacobsen: What is the 2048 game? What is the mathematical analysis of the
2048 game?
Volko: It is a game that became popular a couple of years ago. In a rectangular grid the numbers 2 and 4 appear. You can move all the numbers at once by pressing a cursor key. If two numbers with the same value hit each other, they add up to their sum. The goal is to arrive at the number 2048. I analyzed a couple of mathematical properties of this game and published a paper about it.
20. Jacobsen: How would you explain Godel’s incompleteness theorems simply?
Volko: Read my article at my homepage (www.cdvolko.net).
21. Jacobsen: Why the interest in Computational Biology and Medical Informatics?
Volko: I first enrolled at medical school and so when I started computer science I chose medical informatics because of its relationship with medicine.
22. Jacobsen: What in the world is ‘Numeric Thermal Bridge Simulation and
Building Information Modeling’?
Volko: It is something architects and building physicists have to care about.
23. Jacobsen: Mega Force (2016), Mega Force 2 (2019), Adok’s Magic Cube (2010), Adok’s Number Maze (2010), Adok’s Saturn Puzzle (2011), Hello, Mr Turing (2012), and Cirix (2012), Ballonschlacht (2012), and Evolution (2012). This is mostly before the two of us met online. What was the inspiration behind each of the games between 2010 and 2019?
Volko: The ideas to these games came from myself. The largest project was Mega Force. I worked on it for eight months. It is a tactical role-playing game in the style of Shining Force, a game for Sega consoles.
24. Jacobsen: What is the synthesis of metaphysics and Jungian Personality Theory for you? If I remember, you hold Jung in higher esteem than Freud and Jung has become more popular in recent years, in re-discovery of him, by some.
Volko: If we look at the psyche, the brain and the body and think of them as three entities connected with each other, some of Jung’s postulates about personality theory logically follow.
25. Jacobsen: How do you differentiate skepticism and pseudoskepticism?
Volko: I wrote an article about this.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-five; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Claus Volko on High-IQ Societies (Part Five) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-five.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 1). An Interview with Claus Volko on High-IQ Societies (Part Five). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-five.
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Abstract
Shalom Dickson is a Member of the Glia Society. His biography on his website states, “Shalom Dickson is a fundamental thinker with interests in cognition, philosophy, sociology, innovation-powered entrepreneurship, and ethical science. His friends regard him as a visionary with a knack for purpose-driven leadership. He is the founder of internovent, Nigeria’s first social innovation company designing solutions for developing nations to attain a balanced global socioeconomic advancement. One of these is Paperloops, Nigeria’s first FinTech company offering holistic financial management and literacy for teens. He is also the founding president of Novus Mentis, Nigeria’s first high-intelligence network with a mission to Map-out Nigeria’s Brain for optimized creative output. Novus Mentis has launched the Sound Mind Project to optimize cognitive ability and stimulate intellectual interest in Africa. Shalom is Nigeria’s first member of the exclusive Glia Society and an alumnus of Nigeria’s first cohort of the Founder Institute.” You can see more here. He discusses: growing up; an extended self; family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences and educational certifications; important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; some social and political views; the God concept; science; the tests taken and scores earned; the range of the scores; and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: background, family, high-IQ, Nigeria, Paul Cooijmans, Shalom Dickson.
An Interview with Shalom Dickson on Background and High-IQ (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Shalom Dickson: Oh, there were stories. Of royalty, excellence, and influence. Some of those I found particularly exciting involved a great-grandfather who was a warrior, ruler, and healer who was known for delivering babies via cesarean section.
2. Jacobsen: Have these stores helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Dickson: Primarily, learning about my ancestors in such a manner inspired a rather spiritual sense of connectedness. There are likely other effects, perhaps in the domain of self-esteem, that I have taken for granted. I was inspired by the work my father did. A master of many, he had a background in medicine but developed himself in engineering, manufacturing, and business. Retrospectively, this provided me with a rather broad view of possibility, which included a flexible limitation on what one person could achieve through ingenuity and hard work. I have now resolved that the two most important ingredients for inspiring purposeful ambition in children are to expand their perspective on what is possible and then to provide them with an immediate means to exercise their will. One should basically say, “this is the map of the continent, and here is a bicycle.”
3. Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Dickson: My parents are from the Yoruba ‘tribe’ of south-western Nigeria. The ethnic diversity within this group is, yet, so great that one would have to mention the specific town to paint an accurate picture of the culture=language+food+dressing. Although my birth certificate says Lagos, Nigeria, I spent most of my earlier years without much influence from that culture, living in neighboring Cameroon until before my 7th birthday, when we moved to south-eastern Nigeria, a distinct cluster of ethnicities. Even if I had spent all of the initial years in Lagos, that would have mostly exposed me to the more generalized variant of the Yoruba culture. In any case, the academic language was ‘English’, while the unofficial language was the local pidgin. Growing up under such dynamic cultural conditions must have largely contributed to the ethnic dissociation that characterizes my identity.
My home was a strictly Pentecostal Christian one. I was raised with a solid education in scripture and doctrine. My first public speaking engagement was a sermon in the large adult auditorium on a certain children’s day event. The first book I read extensively and evaluated critically was the Bible. But I was largely autonomous in Faith, never quite having my spiritual identity enveloped in some religious organization. My father, a religious leader, often criticized practices that were at odds with Christianity’s original derivative of the Bible. I engaged in a lot of church activities from singing and drama to preaching, usually in a leadership capacity, but my orientation was that of a reformer. And this rebellious tendency eventually led me to a markedly unconventional spiritual inclination. One of my earlier ‘SMH’ moments in reaction to religious irrationality was when a teacher went from prescribing respect for the religious independence of others to, practically, granting exclusive proliferation rights to Christianity in the same breath because, as she retrieved, the Bible commands thus.
4. Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Dickson: For the exact reasons, I had very pleasant and unpleasant experiences. But I am hedonically economical and have always not expected to derive much excitement from social interactions. As such, I managed an independent development, was often preoccupied with creative endeavors, and got by with a couple of friends per time. One could still consider my life as a series of personal and collaborative projects.
My mother claims that I was speaking meaningfully at 10 months. I remember some of our earliest conversations but nothing that must have been from before marking year 1. My reading, however, was a painful process until later, as I interpreted symbols in a rather primitive way. (Interestingly, the solution to the intellectual challenges arising from this peculiarity was to read faster, not slower, as I learned rather late.) I started school early and skipped a couple of grades so that I was 6 years old finishing primary 4. This set me 2 – 4 years away from my age mates. The outcome was not sufficiently challenging, as I still topped all the classes up till that point. I remember it being rumored by teachers that I was the best performing student in a certain test in the entire school. I later realized this must have been some aptitude test. I think acceleration, not merely grade-skipping, is what would have worked.
As I grew older, school became increasingly counter-constructive. I had endured the preliminary science presentations in junior secondary school, hoping to begin ‘real science’ in the senior phase. I was greatly disappointed that the material was nothing like those in the books I had been busying with. In any case, school was never satisfying. One of the moments that highlight my frustration was when, in primary school, I listed in an answer about “respecting leaders”, “age should not be considered when respecting a leader”. The teacher, in her infinite wisdom, ‘corrected’ my statement as “a leader should be respected regardless of age”. The logical error was highly troubling. It is disastrous that one should be educated under such circumstances.
A series of events greatly deviated my interests from classwork and, eventually, my performance – when studying, however minimal, became necessary. These events, largely as a result of relocation, cost me 2 years so that I would graduate secondary school at a more relatable age of 16. During this period, I wore every color on the academic performance spectrum, the least stellar ones more frequent in the last 3 years of secondary schooling. As a result, I happened on quite a range of experiences with my schoolteachers – sometimes during the same period, scattered across classes. Although I maintained a steady dose of brilliant friends teachers in my history tend to have a very emotional reaction to results, but for one. The head economics teacher, not in charge of my class, who talent-hunted me for a creative project and, disappointed by my average score sheet balance, thereafter insisted I reflected my abilities in my test results. The outcome was an A+ within 2 weeks, the only one I earned in senior secondary school. I received several conflicting, ultimately unhelpful career advice from teachers who noted core competences in their areas of interest.
5. Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Dickson: One may begin to think about intelligence tests as some means to evaluate a person’s mental abilities compared to the human capacity for reasoning and other features of cognition. This anthropocentric notion of intelligence is useful in as much as one merely considers it as a tool for functioning in human societies, and to this degree, cognitive ability testing has been successful! The immediate limitation of this view is that other human features are useful for social functioning but are not intelligence although they co-operate it; for example, sensing. Another problem is that we may not readily acknowledge intelligence in other systems whose ‘cognitive’ architectures are markedly dissimilar to ours, especially if they do not share our interests. This knowledge is useful in our development of artificial general intelligence and our interactions with other life forms. Although one may say they are comfortable with not knowing much about non-human representations of it, one human-concerning implication is that if we cannot identify intelligence in others, we do not distinguish it accurately in ourselves.
We have now returned to a question some may have already asked in the first line: why should we care about measuring intelligence at all? The benefits of intelligence are numerous, and I find them appreciable even to those who are reprehensive of the idea itself. Social functioning is a mere by-product of the fundamental usefulness, and one only finds a limit to the use of intelligence when they assume that social functioning is its alpha and omega. And even then, the idea of the diminishing returns is misguided; Society fails at positioning intelligent people optimally, and so some will naturally not be able to apply their abilities. The root property is the capacity for problem-solving, of which the primary use is reality configuration. As long as there are problems to solve, one cannot find any level of intelligence to be an excess. The problem of ability positioning is itself a problem requiring intelligence, but if one must solve it for oneself, it requires drive and self-discipline as well. Deficiency in one area does not equate to insufficiency in the other. Another reason for the apparent diminishing returns is that our current tests may not measure the same thing for everyone as they detect only the outcomes and not the thinking processes, including what facts are used. In any case, we care about measuring intelligence because we care about problems and solubility. High-range cognitive ability tests are a good way to source members for projects with a high intellectual requirement.
6. Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Dickson: It became obvious to me soon enough during childhood that there were differences in reasoning ability among people, and that this could lead one—even as a child—to arrive at conclusions that others, as adults, could not achieve or found incredible. At school, beyond score sheets, it was clear that some people had a better grasp of the material than others, although one principal would try to convince us that “everybody’s brain is the same,” in the name of science. However, it was only much later – close to adulthood – that I became familiar with the scientific study of intelligence and a possible “high IQ”.
7. Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Dickson: Geniuses generally differ from experts in the nature of their mastery. While the latter may master trends and techniques, the former master fundamental principles. The works of geniuses in any field stem from thinking processes which are beneath the conventions of the field. Hence, the implications of these works can be applied to various areas, only being adopted according to convenience.
One can visualize the situation thus: The entirety of knowledge are represented as patterns in a space. There are odd patterns – uncharted territory – and even patterns. The goal of a genius is mastering odd patterns, which may eventually be adapted into the even patterns. When the work of a genius is found useful to the current trends of pattern expansion, they are praised. When not, all that is seen is the absurdity of oddity. As such, they are treated with hostility.
8. Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Dickson: I do not have an exact candidate at this moment because I would want to be right in such an evaluation, but the image in my head is somewhat Goethesque. I am particularly attracted to the universal thinker and polymath types. Of course, the archetypal Renaissance man – Leonardo da Vinci – comes to mind as well. My favorite, however, is Einstein, because our personalities, epistemic structures, and worldviews seem to align the most (coincidentally, I was nicknamed Einstein in my A’ level school, and I embraced it for that deeper connection I had extracted we shared). Well, Einstein himself is reported to have owned 50 volumes of Goethe literature in his library.
9. Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Dickson: Profound giftedness is a categorization based on the observation that people, especially obvious in children, of certain IQ levels and above tend to share markedly distinct characteristics, even among intelligent people. Such individuals are regarded as geniuses in popular culture, but without much luck, as the test of time turn out no remarkable creation for most of them, and one would find questions like, “I have an IQ of [something high]. Why don’t I feel like a genius?” on internet fora.
A genius, on the other hand, is a person of truly original creative expression. Optionally, one could leave the job to history’s selectivity to determine such individuals. But this requires that the works are found relevant by a community, having at least some implications that are not incredibly advanced. If the relevance of one’s work is not within sight, it cannot be known whether they are “ahead of their time” or simply not on the timeline. A perfect definition of genius must cater to such ones onto whom the angel of fame may not cast her torchlight, even posthumously. Beyond poetics, though, I must not speak of such a model of genius without referring you to the efficient work of Paul Cooijmans. He has identified, interacting in synergy, three factors; to wit, intelligence, conscientiousness, and associative horizon. An insight I had was that these factors are high-level representations of fundamental elements of existence. Geniuses ‘maximize’ these elements in varying proportions.
10. Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Dickson: I have worked in quite a few areas including teaching (physics and English), marketing, research, product design, content development, academic consulting, and management. More recently, I briefly had an interesting role in a top technical talent development institute where I experimented with high-range cognitive ability testing as means for screening candidates. I soon returned to face my entrepreneurial ambitions, launching a startup via the Lagos chapter of the Founder Institute, the world’s largest pre-seed accelerator, as a project under internovent – an organization dedicated to developing solutions of socioeconomic importance.
My last academic certification was the Cambridge International General Certificate of Education: Advanced Level, a pre-university education certificate. A notable feature in my career is that I often received job offers without sending in applications. As such, I have not had to compete with candidates on the basis of certification. A side effect, however, is that I get asked the question about why I did not pursue a university degree a lot.
11. Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Dickson: If one holds strict presumptions about how genius should appear, it may not be easily recognized in people who come from certain groups or whose works are applied to certain fields. Many Hollywood movies operating on the supposed tie between genius and IQ usually fail on two counts: in the representing thinking and decision theories at certain intelligence levels (sometimes favoring complicated solutions), and in expressing the true characteristics of geniuses. Some, however, do these excellently. Meanwhile, the British series, Sherlock, is my favorite show, in this regard; it exaggerates in just the right places.
One can be a genius and pass for a crackpot at the same time. This is in part due to the unconventional, autodidact nature of their learning, the effects being more pronounced in some than others. There are no ‘artistic geniuses’ or ‘philosophical geniuses’. There are just specialist masters and savants who may or may not be geniuses. Any perceived humility is an accidental property, and it is not true that ‘real geniuses’ are humble. In fact, without intellectual audacity (often treated as arrogance), no great knowledge can be unraveled. Geniuses abhor mediocrity; and this is a useful trait for exceptional productions.
12. Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
Dickson: Here are some of my ruminations on society and politics:
For an individual living in solitude all their life, all their decisions are based on their preferences; the possibility of a successor who arrives posthumously introduces reasons to adjust his preferences slightly, one roommate adds a constraining factor to the individual’s activities but provides new possibilities for mutual actions; but many interesting features of society begin to emerge when we introduce a third roommate. They begin to make decisions not only based on mutual preferences but assumptions about the preferences of others – to fill gaps in their knowledge. A social culture soon emerges, in a large part, from the conference of such assumptions, appointing the group a mind of its own, even with tendencies towards actions and beliefs that are at odds with the wishes of each member. The group can be improved to reflect the values of the members by increasing its metacognition = the members’ awareness of the group dynamics – through communication. A notable effect in this model is that the least conforming individuals with strong ideas are more likely to influence the society. The timescale for the materialization of their influence is a function of relevance to change.
We can consider supersociety, a system of such smaller societies. Ours has a particularly interesting feature called mortality. People start things they cannot finish, inherit assumptions they did not make, contribute to the fostering of ideals they do not hold. Individual intentions seem like mere excuses for the fulfillment of the grand scheme of humanity. There is a deeper, spiritual sense of interconnectedness beneath physical interaction, bearing the flow of ideas.
I find interesting, the epistemic evolution of supersociety. Given that humans continue to exist in some form, the one consistent feature over time, even between periods of regression, should be an advancement in knowledge. Following this thought, my vision for humanity is the inevitable existence, at some point in its future, of a societal state termed a Transgressive Equilibrium. Such a society, having attained mastery of reality configuration (including reality simulation capabilities), can know all it needs to know and do all it wishes to do, resulting in an optimal complex of economy and culture. Our current level of being and humanness is just a phase in the course of the cosmic drive for self-understanding, as we may extrapolate from the learning patterns of society. At individual and at the species level, in cognition, the experience of entities are bound by the Curse of Nonrecognition: intelligent entities recognize intelligibility within this boundary of sense-ness, even though they are present in the larger environment. Owing to our capacity for communication and metacognition, our emergent entity – Humanity – is able to overcome the Curse of Nonrecognition via the following mechanism:
- A single to a few humans reach some original insight.
- A group of experts develops an understanding around this, growing the body of knowledge in their field.
- Society finds usefulness in the application of such knowledge, and a growing number of people live in a world enhanced by such applications.
- This improves the quality of common knowledge and more people are capable of understanding future insights.
Thus, the sphere of recognition expands for Humanity over generations.
A beneficial political arrangement for progress optimizes for vision and integrity in elected leaders, surrounded by people of high ability. Societies with elements of democracy are the only ones where we can negotiate our social preferences fairly. Ones where the capacity for sound judgment in the people is prioritized are the only ones where we can extract the full benefits of democracy. Capable individuals are more likely to make decisions that matter over a broad range of circumstances. The whole progress when the individual is optimally positioned for ability. Many sociopolitical problems are rooted in inefficient talent configuration; this is the primary problem upon whose solution all others are defined. Particularly, many of the inefficiencies of developing societies such as Nigeria are based on the problem of arrangement and not content, and the more complex the required arrangement, the probability that one arrives there by chance reduces, despite having the right ingredients. Within the scope of my intervention activities are schemes to Map-out Nigeria’s Brain, and to inspire an intellectual culture.
On groups, I think a considerable proportion of social tensions in modern society is based on false group identities; a futile attempt to force biologic or genetic groups into social groups (i.e. systems) with a shared purpose and a common reality. Social systems are formed on the bases of family, friendship, and socioeconomic interests. Particularly, groups solely based on gender and race cannot achieve the unity they seek to. Even though they face common struggles, we cannot consider them as isolated victim groups. We can compare this to a football team versus an ‘Association of Goalkeepers’. No progress will come from demonstrations about the tribulations of goalkeepers at the hand (or feet) of strikers, because when all is said and done, the goalkeepers must return to their teams, to which they are functionally loyal. Productive change can only come from addressing the disadvantages embedded in the rules of the game, and by renegotiating the social contract.
Racism is elusive. To the extent that it truly exists, we cannot extinguish it. To the extent that we find cheap actions to extinguish, they are likely not going to eliminate racism. For many, it is a fact that there are individuals who are prejudiced against certain racial groups. But since we cannot exactly crucify anyone for thinking ‘racist thoughts’, we resort to attack those who treat others unjustly. However, we are unable to prove intent from observing actions, and injustice exists within racial groups. Hence, we have one set of people who painfully express their experience of oppression and others who simply do not see it. Trying to establish the facts of racism is useful, and it is a justified sentiment. Yet, there are tradeoffs, so that the optimal strategy is to treat injustice as injustice in general, and motivations as individual cases. However painful it is, injustice should not be called anything else but its already ignoble name, unless specifically implied by the action.
These are some of the views through which I make the most sense of the world.
13. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Dickson: The God-question is treated simplistically as a binary problem, requiring a YES-or-NO answer. In general, atheists would like to think they have an obvious NO, whereas theists should believe that they have arrived at a compelling YES. In reality, though, most of the theists have simply adopted a convenient response, while the atheists have abandoned the question. Meanwhile, it is not true that God is merely an invention of man whereby the inventor bears the burden of proof. The three fundamental questions, WHAT, HOW, and WHY applied to reality, implies a God-problem that must be solved. There is a God-question for every level of intelligence and awareness. The answer to this question becomes more abstract and more sophisticated along the dimensions respectively. A point of contention may be over how much abstraction the concept can bear while retaining its meaning. At a stage, it all becomes a matter of linguistic gymnastics.
The majority of people are incapable of evaluating the God-question intelligently, and as such, must approach it animalistically; in terms of their survival. Luckily for this majority, the software of religion is built on the framework of belief and make-belief. Intelligence is only rewarded in religion as much as it can help rationalize irrationality. There is great room for ‘intellectricks’ within religions, and while some of the tenets of Faith are sublime, the case that “religion is good; the problem is with the people”, is no different than saying “fire is good; the problem is with the heat”. The only genuine way to approach theology is to subject the ideas to intellectual rigor, without making any disingenuous claims to a monopoly on true interpretation.
On the subject of revelation, that which is not subject to reason must have no consequence on the rules of physical interactions. Jesus is quoted to have said, “I speak to you of earthly things and you do not understand, how then could you understand of heavenly things?” An interesting fact about this statement, apart from the obvious effects of the distinction between heavenly and earthly things, is that what he considered an earthly thing was the process of salvation. I wonder how many Christians understand the implication of this idea because it does not reflect much in the demonstrations of their common thinking that they do.
The problems with the Big Questions is that they are easy to ask at this point, where everyone may have adopted the confusion templates from various cultures, but difficult to recognize answers for. For instance, to a popular dilemma in my childhood, asking, “if God created the world, who created God?”, I once suggested that the universe created God and he went back in time to create the universe. As one can imagine, this suggestion was met with great hostility. The crux here is not whether the idea is true or not, but that the discussants were incapable of dealing with that level of perplexity. Some people are able to recognize powerful ideas, however raw, regardless of the source, while others must be spoon-fed from the premastications of authority. Traditional education has failed to deliver on its promise to improve this condition beyond a point.
14. Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Dickson: The principles and ideals of science form one part of the most prominent influences on my approach to knowledge and learning, although one can see how scientific movements may degrade into a state no better driven by rationality than religion. Since childhood, I always formed internal representations of information using an intuitive approximation of the scientific method, with lots of induction and abduction. On the other hand, my intellectual dynamic is characterized by a deep prescientific, philosophical experience, which is both analytic and poetic. I eventually address matters using the kind of thinking with which I can extract the most meaningful interpretations. Fundamentally, I consider my approach as adisciplinary rather than interdisciplinary. It is upon this that selected thinkings may be developed as found necessary in such cases.
15. Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Dickson: Expressed in a standard deviation of 15, my initial scores on experimental high-range intelligence tests, which are untimed and unsupervised, were within the 140-to-160 range on tests by Jason Betts and one other author. I have now learned that one ought to spend up to 10 times more time than I have on those tests to perform maximally. This makes me wonder what the difficulty-validity relationship is on tests of advanced cognitive ability.
I have never been tested by a psychologist on conventional tests. However, I hit the ceiling score on a version of Raven’s matrices taken unofficially years ago.
16. Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Dickson: My initial experience with Paul Cooijmans’ tests was like an electric shock, with scores lower than my previous low. I cannot go into many details on the situation except to say that I have overcome the curses now. I look forward to enjoying more of the problems.
I think all new candidates of high-range tests should know that if there is any task they had to exert their thinking on to the highest degree, this, by definition, should be it. I have wasted beautiful tests not realizing these things, underestimating how much ‘intelligons’ were needed to be captured. It is impossible to cheat by spending time, and as long as one does not cheat, they cannot overperform (one may only ‘overperform’ if the problems are biased towards their area of educational training). One should think most responsibly about their participation in the testing, as there is no point if it is not handled appropriately.
17. Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Dickson: I find Kantian ethics to be rather intuitive. One is to note, however, that the “rational being” in the categorical imperative is not necessarily a human being. It is questionable whether humans are rational beings at all, and unquestionable that not all humans are equally rational. Thus, ethics cannot be objective if it is optimized for ‘human’ morality. This is a key reason for the numerous perspectives on the subject, where one can find them to be different attempts at the same thing. With enough reason and less selfishness, every ethical theory at its best corresponds to ‘utilitarianism within one’s power’. The ultimate ethical framework must contain a solution to the question, what is the purpose of humanity?
To think clearly about ethics, I find it useful to consider what feature of humanness raises the matter of rightness in the first place. If an ethical theory is an attempt to do that which is right, then, it has requirements in the departments of intelligence – of the ability to know what is right (a truth), and consciousness – of the will to act how it’s right. Thus, a highly intelligent being can decide what is right, regardless of their inclination to execute it; while a highly conscientious being can act in some supposedly right manner, needing not to figure it out for themselves. Intelligence offers the capacity for induction, enabling the manipulation of more complex scenarios involving more time, space, and particles. Consequently, considering scales, ethical theories must be based on the preferences of the most intelligent (and rational) beings whose decisions may make little sense to the ignorant in the short-term (in contrast to Asimov’s laws of robotics); while advancement in knowledge and must be encouraged as this improves the capacity to execute ethical resolves. Humans, in today’s sense, are simply an approximation of such a being, the true Homo epistemicus; the citizens of a Transgressive Equilibrium.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Shalom Dickson on Background and High-IQ (Part One) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-one.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 1). An Interview with Shalom Dickson on Background and High-IQ (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-one.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Shalom Dickson on Background and High-IQ (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-one>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Shalom Dickson on Background and High-IQ (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-one.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Shalom Dickson on Background and High-IQ (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-one.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Shalom Dickson on Background and High-IQ (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-one>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Shalom Dickson on Background and High-IQ (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-one.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Shalom Dickson on Background and High-IQ (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-one>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Shalom Dickson on Background and High-IQ (Part One) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/dickson-one.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,471
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Mhedi Banafshei is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: community; values of the high-IQ communities; the gifted and community; positives and negatives of the high-IQ societies; purposes of the high-IQ societies; greater insights from the high-IQ; egos getting in the way; alternative ways for the gifted and talented to socialize; individualism as a blessing and a curse; intelligence tests; nations’ foundational crimes; things missing in the high-IQ societies; higher intelligence, liberalism and atheism; talented people; pieces of advice; improving sense of scale and social skills; and meritocracy in North America.
Keywords: high-IQ, individualism, meritocracy, Mhedi Banafshei, North America, social skills.
An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on High-IQ Societies and Values (Part Two)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let’s talk about community. What defines a community?
Mhedi Banafshei: Any social factor which indicates something about human values or something meaningful in terms of experiences of life is a foundation of community. Prevailing human motivations have determined the formalization of some communities while inhibiting the expression of others. Social progression is in part achieved by challenging societal expectations of how the members of various groups should function in terms of the groups to which they belong. It’s important that there’s greater emphasis of some positive communities (such as those related to areas of learning) as well as a questioning of those which certainly aren’t failing as a result of not being recognized well enough.
2. Jacobsen: Do the high-IQ communities seem more heterogeneous or homogeneous in various identity backgrounds and in ideological/philosophical commitments? Why?
Banafshei: While some values do seem to be shared by most participants of these communities, such as those relating to egalitarianism, there’s still lots of variation in terms of the subject of the question. The reasons for this are likely to be very similar to those which explain variation in society as a whole.
3. Jacobsen: How can the gifted find community in high-IQ societies?
Banafshei: By first understanding the importance of IQ but also the boundaries of it. Two people could have intelligence in common but still have very different worldviews and values. In such a case, they would not necessarily be able to develop any productive association of their combination. Just like in regular society, a high-IQ society member has to find ways to identify people with whom they have more than one thing in common.
4. Jacobsen: What are the positives and the negatives of a high-IQ society?
Banafshei: Given that having a high IQ does generally relate to a somewhat higher likelihood of forming certain intellectual interests, such societies are giving many opportunities to not only find those with similar interests but also those who happen to be equally cognitively equipped in relation to exploration of the subjects of mutual investment. In terms of the negatives, I think it’s worthwhile to first consider how factors external to high IQ societies may impact them. Of course, the status of high IQ societies within general societies will influence their functioning. There would be a positive acceleration of the evolution of high societies if work is done to make the public more familiar with them as a means of both group expansion and normalization. Many people question the legitimacy of high IQ societies, and even the existence of differences of intelligence altogether. I think these are still issues of enough significance to justify their prioritization of addressing the aforementioned.
5. Jacobsen: What seem like the purposes of high-IQ societies in the early 21st century?
Banafshei: There’s a vast range of reasons people join such societies. And I believe there need not be any purpose that all members can agree on. Among some of my own primary reasons is my desire to gain greater depths of insight of the minds of extraordinary thinkers.
6. Jacobsen: What are some of those “greater depths of insights of the minds”? How can some of the “extraordinary thinkers” of the high-IQ societies be drowned out by the non-extraordinary, while non-ordinary, thinkers in the high-IQ societies? What differentiates the extraordinary thinker from the greater than ordinary thinker?
Banafshei: It relates to the fact that some very smart people have reasonably come to the conclusion that a life of emphasised learning is likely to be the one of most personal productivity. The difference between geniuses and those who are not is often only clear after conclusion of their activities. The idea that’s brilliant isn’t always clearly so from the outset. In terms of people being ‘drowned out’, so to speak, I think it’s primarily a matter of some people freely deciding to disengage, rather than one of them being undermined in some way. People have the responsibility of asserting what they have to put forth, and others need not be accommodating of anything which has not been introduced with confidence. I believe this is applicable in relation to life in general.
7. Jacobsen: What do you make the egos largely getting in the way of some societies proclaiming noble aims and utterly failing?
Banafshei: I think it’s only natural to envision things beyond what can be easily achieved within a short period of time. Having a high IQ is no guarantee of being successful if one is not also wise in terms of their objectives. Failure is a part of life no matter what your IQ is.
8. Jacobsen: Are there other ways in which the gifted and talented can socialize and find others with similar gifts and interests other than high-IQ societies?
Banafshei: I guess if one can find those with similar interests, finding those with similar gifts in addition to that wouldn’t be much harder in most cases. Especially for those who live in cities, there are usually many options of social events/clubs in connection to a wide variety of subjects. I think exploring what the internet has to offer in the form of forums is very often not a waste of time either. However, I do think the best way of meeting likeminded people, regardless of giftedness, is for one to simply be open about the things in relation to which they are inclined. When someone’s objective of exemplifying their individuality is more apparent than their willingness of conformity, the processes of their socializing is almost always more efficient.
9. Jacobsen: Why is individualism the blessing and the curse of the high-IQ world?
Banafshei: I guess it depends on how you define that. It’s not my belief that the high-IQ world has any marked ‘curses’ or ‘blessings’ relative to any society that’s been formed for purposes of people of some commonality.
10. Jacobsen: What do intelligence tests, commonly construed, seem to miss in testing intelligence?
Banafshei: The inclusion of items which would have answers that are weighted differently rather than just considered as either correct or incorrect. It’s likely that a well-developed system of such a thing could function not only to ascertain IQ well but also reveal the nature and significance of different cognitive profiles that may not be explainable only by differentiation of IQ.
11. Jacobsen: Do you think nations’ foundational crimes should be answered (for)? If so, how? If not, why not?
Banafshei: The best way of addressing problems of this nature would be to develop societies which would counteract the imbalances of past injustices by means of ensuring the institutional legacies that reinforce the realities which were foundational to past oppression are curbed. If greater fairness of society is achieved in some places, social divisions relating to disagreements of controversial subjects of restoration would be reduced without there being any need of introducing polices of them.
12. Jacobsen: What do you think is missing in some of the high-IQ societies?
Banafshei: Some of the ones I’m a member of have lots of members who’ve simply become inactive. In most situations when people are not compelled to do any work, such as is the case in terms of non-professional organisations, it’s not unusual for many to hope others will form something of value that they could then simply participate in relation to while expending little. High IQ societies are no exception to this rule. As it is in terms of most things in life, a little willingness of effort and optimism could have a great impact.
13. Jacobsen: Why does higher intelligence tend to correlate positively with liberal leanings and atheism in some preliminary studies in psychology?
Banafshei: It’s difficult to say. Of course, correlations are most meaningful when complicating factors are controlled for, and as many of us who are not even statisticians know, it can be a very complex matter. Besides, even if it is the case that most smart people are in agreement about some broad ideas, the implications of the possible disagreements of the variations of them should be considered.
14. Jacobsen: Who are some of the most talented people know to you? Why them?
Banafshei: I guess I’m lucky enough to know a good number of talented people of various kinds. I hesitate to form any opinion about whether any should be considered as more talented than others, and whether some types of talents should be thought of as more significant. In light of it not being easy to determine the ultimate importance of any individual type of talent, I believe it’s infinitely more important to focus on the perfection of our aptitudes than to waste any time making subjectively motivated comparisons of perceived levels of talent and, worse, comparisons of different types of ability.
15. Jacobsen: To the young, what are some important pieces of advice about a) humility and b) building character & discipline?
Banafshei: While humility is valuable for some purposes, it shouldn’t be cherished to the extent that would be to the detriment of confidence. Even if notions of personal superiority should be dismissed, it should be done so with the acceptance that we would all be better off if more people had greater confidence in themselves and their visions. The world would obviously be a better place if more people realize their potential. The first step of this, of course, would be the emergence of greater efficiency of identifying capabilities. In terms of character building and discipline, I think it’s worthwhile to invest in what is often generally referred to as the broadening of horizons. As we learn, experience and explore new things, we gain broader perspectives which are of value in terms of life navigation and self-identification. It’s not difficult to attain development of character and discipline when there’s expansion of learning.
16. Jacobsen: What are non-tangible skills needing building more among the gifted and talented young than others because of the ease of some facets of life for them?
Banafshei: The skill of adapting to the forms of communication of those who function and think very differently to the cognitively advanced. It’s understandable that many gifted people sometimes experience frustration as a result of interaction with those who are close to the opposite of intellectually gifted, but if one has an IQ at the 99.99th percentile, they would be better off trying to understand and connect with people at the 50th percentile than on intending to limit themselves to 1/10000th of the population.
17. Jacobsen: How does this improve their sense of scale and social skills? Does this differentiate individuals who succeed and fail in many professional domains in spite of the vast gifts handed to them largely by genetic lottery?
Banafshei: It is commonly thought that being smart generally results in people getting ahead. There’s actually some evidence that those with IQs above 150 or so may actually be somewhat less likely to have careers of prestigious positions. Although it’s not entirely clear what explains findings of this nature, it’s logical that positive efforts of communication are important in relation to this.
18. Jacobsen: Do you think meritocracy in North America is more myth than truth or more fact than fable?
Banafshei: The challenging political circumstances of the USA clearly show the need for progress, which is also evidenced by many statistics of public interest. And while indicating that things need to change, they also indicate that meaningful progress is likely in the process of being made. When problems are subjects of inaction, that’s when there should be real concern. Anyway, I live in the UK, so my perspective is factually limited. Not everything can be known on the basis of crude indicators, and people’s notions and beliefs of idealized systems are almost always critical factors of the trajectories things take.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-two; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on High-IQ Societies and Values (Part Two) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-two.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 1). An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on High-IQ Societies and Values (Part Two). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-two.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on High-IQ Societies and Values (Part Two). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-two>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on High-IQ Societies and Values (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-two.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on High-IQ Societies and Values (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-two.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on High-IQ Societies and Values (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-two>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on High-IQ Societies and Values (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-two.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on High-IQ Societies and Values (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-two>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on High-IQ Societies and Values (Part Two) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-two.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,237
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anas El-Husseini is a Member of the Glia Society. He discusses: growing up; an extended self; the family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence discovered; geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences and educational certifications; the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; some social and political views; the God concept; science; the tests taken and scores earned; the range of the scores; scores earned on alternative intelligence tests; and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: Anas El-Husseini, Glia Society, high-IQ, Lebanon, test scores, views.
An Interview with Anas El-Husseini on Background, Test Scores, and Views (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Anas El Husseini: I was born in a big city (big relatively to the size of the country), and people in the cities here seem less interested to talk about family ancestors or carry on with family legacies. At least, that’s how it was in the last century or so. People originating from villages or small towns, on the other hand, are usually very proud and attached to their ancestral legacy, and they hang onto it even when they move to bigger cities. As a result, and despite the fact that I belong to branch of a large family, I do not know much about my direct ancestor history, except for some random memories narrated sometimes by the elders of the family.
2. Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
El Husseini: Not family stories themselves for the reason explained before, but stories coming from classic literature (especially eastern literature) have often played a role in emphasizing moral traits and pointing out good and bad personal traits for me.
3. Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
El Husseini: I live in Tripoli, a city located on the eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea, and the second largest city in Lebanon. Lebanon is small country in the Middle East. It is famous for its richness of historical heritage, variety of climates (there is an hour or so by car between the sea and the snowy mountains), and diversity of religious and non-religious beliefs. Where I live, the climate is moderate to hot, the official spoken language is the Arabic language (although most people can speak or understand a bit of French or English), and about 90% of the city inhabitants are Muslims, the rest being mostly Christians. Neighboring towns and cities have different distributions of Muslims and Christians (the 2 major religions in Lebanon), if we disregard the different sects that derive from each religion and exist in this country as well.
4. Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
El Husseini: In the years of childhood and adolescence, I had many friends but only so few (and sometimes none) close friends or real friends. Although I considered my relationship was good with most my schoolmates, I was surprised to find out later that my good sentiments towards the others were sometimes not reciprocated. One fellow student once told me that he did not like me because I am the favorite student to the teachers. Others would swap their friendships with me and a rival schoolmate depending on whoever they’re currently allied with and is more useful to them.
5. Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
El Husseini: They were initially mental challenges, which I often used to seek out since I was young in the form of puzzles and games first. Later on, they became a gateway to find highly intelligent people and enter a world private to them.
6. Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
El Husseini: When I was 10 years old, I was enrolled in a summer school specialized for students with high grades. We had been submitted to a test of unknown nature to me at the time, and we were asked to answer as much questions as we can. I knew later it was an I.Q. test (I don’t currently remember any of the questions so I don’t know the test name). I was the second top scorer then, but they informed me that my score is relatively higher than the top scorer since I was 4 years older than him.
7. Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
El Husseini: Most geniuses seem to be introverts, which explains why they are camera shy, but that’s the minor reason. Geniuses often don’t blend well in their surroundings. They can be misunderstood, too fast for the others, have “weird” likings/dislikings, etc. On the other hand, the outside world (other people) in the eyes of the genius is often illogical and contradictory. This creates a wall of isolation, and the more the genius tries to apply his logic outside the more this wall thickens, and conflicts sure come after. We see a lot of geniuses recognized only after deaths, because during their lifetimes, they were either ignored or fought by those carry envy or ignorance.
8. Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
El Husseini: There are so many whom I consider great geniuses in history. Leonardo Da Vinci is one of them for reasons too obvious to explain. Another genius is probably one of the less known to the readers of those lines, Ibn Taymiyyah. He lived in the 13th-14th century A.D., and was a Muslim scholar who, aside from his vast knowledge in all contemporary religions, was also a logician, a philosopher, a judge, a linguistic, a prolific writer, and many other things. He was well ahead of his time and one can hardly find a type of science that Ibn Taymiyyah had not had his share of knowledge from. He was imprisoned more than once because of his teachings and writings that were not to the likings to his contemporary scholars. Some of his rivals who were close to the ruler then, so they conspired against him which led to his imprisonment. He died in his prison, but the whole city accompanied his funeral to the graveyard, except for three people who were the cause of his incarceration.
9. Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
El Husseini: I am not an expert in the high intelligence terminology, but I find no unified definition for the term “Genius”. There are definitions that are very loose, and others with so much constraints that they exclude people who could be considered geniuses. I consider that the genius traits depicted in Paul Cooijmans articles about the Genius are very accurate and comprehensive, although I do not agree with him on some of them. I do not consider the ethical traits are required for one to be considered a genius. Unethical and evil geniuses can exist, and there are geniuses who turned from unethical to ethical during their lifetimes, and that’s found both in history and in the present time. A genius is born genius, but his ethical compass may not be always fixed at birth. One of the major influences on the ethical compass of a genius is ironically one of the traits that are remarked in geniuses: the strong ego. A strong ego can result sometimes in envy, arrogance and even a denial of the truth. Any of those traits can the downfall of personal ethics. That being said, another way to distinguish a genius from a profoundly intelligent is the effect of his/her works on the outside world. An intelligent person will soon cease to exist after his death, but a genius will be immortalized by the sparkling traces that he/she left behind.
10. Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
El Husseini: My educational certifications include some in the fields of programming, networking, linguistics, calligraphy and other stuff. My work experiences consist of teaching, developing computer and mobile software, and various IT skills.
11. Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
El Husseini: People often confuse the notation of genius with that of a successful man. A genius may not be always able to convince others with his ways or thinkings, let alone reach a financial success out of them. On the other hand, the success achieved by persons whom people call “geniuses”, are often built on the sweat of others, or on the results of unethical conducts. Moreover, some of those so-called geniuses may have just bought the credit of the work with their money. A genius needs not to spend money or manipulate the public to prove his worth. So real geniuses, usually lacking the tools to spread their works or ideas without opposition, can be neglected till after their deaths. However, seldom you will find a genius, even if strongly opposed or mocked, that was neglected by history, or whose effects did not reveal their true worth even after a while.
12. Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
El Husseini: I consider that most political parties are very much like business corporations. They care most about their gains, and any other claims by them is just a step to gain more trust to achieve their aforementioned main goal. This is true even in a democratic ruling with a large population or with a small population that has much diversity (my country belonging to the latter type). There are examples of smaller more homogeneous populations were democracy proves suitable and the elected ruler was able fulfill his role justly without having hidden agendas or putting some egoistical goals first. I find the democratic ruling not always suitable for every country because it always assumes all are people are equal. It is correct that all people are, and should be, treated equal regarding their rights. But to make the opinions of the intelligent and the idiot, the educated and the ignorant, the expert and the layman, etc all the same in formulating the laws and the lifestyles of a whole country seem very bizarre, especially when there are powerful and rich parties that can bias the opinions of common people towards them (not necessarily by bribing), and it will still appear as a democracy. Most people consider the equality of votes as a common required right, although they do not consider expert’s and non-expert’s opinions equal on other more trivial matters. For that reason, I consider that a more just ruling system is a one where the ruler is elected by the elite of his population.
13. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
El Husseini: Personally, I have followed several lines of logic, and they all led me to the one and same conclusion. Here is one of them. If we follow the origin of species, the origin of nature, and the origin of the universe, whether we assume the creation of three were interdependent or otherwise, we are bound to arrive to few origins: the origin matter, the first movement, and the origin law of physics. The origin matter exists because we know that the universe is finite and is changing with time, so it must have an origin at some point of time that differs in shape and characteristics. The moving universe we observe today is a result of an initial push, because a static object cannot generate movement on its own, thus the first movement must have existed. The origin law of physics are the most basic laws of movement, electricity, magnetism, etc from which all other secondary natural laws derived later, such as laws of chemistry and of biology. For those three origins to exist, they either existed on their own, or an external party has caused them to exist. Void, quiet, and chaos can exist on their own, because they’re the representation of nothingness. Their opposites cannot exist on their own, otherwise they will be eternal, but since they are both finite in space (as the size of universe) and in time (every part of the universe has a definite starting and ending times, a definite duration of existence, a definite period of movement or change, etc), that makes it impossible for those origins to be infinite and eternal. The other option requires an external entity to create those origins. This entity must possess the qualities that the origins are lacking: infinity (opposed to limitation in space), eternity (opposed to limitation in time) and will (opposed to chaos); otherwise this entity will be another origin incapable on its own. This entity, or the origin of origins, is what is commonly called as God or gods. If the existence of a God entity is established by logic, everything beyond it, and everything dependent on it, is much easier to deduce. Take as an example the question of one God or multiple ones. If there are two or more gods: either they’re all equal or one is stronger than the rest. If there is stronger one, he will overpower or nullify the rest, and only one will remain. If they’re equal, their wills are bound to contradict at some point since they are independent entities, which will threaten the whole existence of a creation like the universe, or create opposite rules or phenomenons at the same time. From the overall stability of the universe (it didn’t cease to exist at some point then re-existed), and from the consistency within its natural rules, we can safely eliminate the possibility of equal gods as well, which leaves the remaining possibility of one God.
This was my line of logic about the origins and God. It extends far than that to reach the topic of religions, but going on with it will make the answer much too long, so I will leave the rest for another occasion perhaps.
14. Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
El Husseini: Science, with its different categories (such as physics, chemistry, biology, etc), is the representation of the laws of universe as they really are and as we observe them. As time passes, our inventory of the knowledge of those laws grows up. It happens sometimes that our knowledge of science diminishes due to destroying of science records (by wars or by parties against the science or its people) or nonexistence of historical records about an era or some phenomenons in it (for example, we still don’t know for sure how the pyramids were built). Science is independent from affections, sentiments and political views (or any other views for that matter), and must be always treated as such. For instance, claiming that genres are different than sexes is unscientific, since sexuality is biologically tied to sexual organs, sexual glands and sexual chromosomes. Claiming a state that contradicts with the biological state is contradicting biology and therefore contradicting science itself.
15. Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
El Husseini: Aside from the unknown I.Q. test I took when I was 10 years old, I took the Stanford-Binet test, in addition to unsupervised high I.Q. tests written by people from high I.Q. societies. Out of those, I took several of Paul Cooijmans tests (all use I.Q. points at S.D. 15), such as the Test of Beheaded Man (I.Q. 143), Reason Behind Multiple Choice (I.Q. 136), Isis (I.Q. 154), Bonsai (I.Q. 148), PAGAN (I.Q. 165), Sargasso (I.Q. 143), and others. I also took ENSDT test authored by Marco Ripa, and other tests by various authors.
16. Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
El Husseini: My scores on Paul Cooijmans tests varied, if I remember correctly, between 130 and 165 (S.D. 15). I think I generally scored better on tests that have more logical questions, and less on tests that have more spatial questions, which may explain the wide range between my lowest and highest scores.
17. Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
El Husseini: Ethical philosophies that focus on justice, truth, honesty, doing good to others (or doing to others what you want to be done to you), and avoiding harming or cheating others, are generally what makes sense to me.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anas El-Husseini on Background, Test Scores, and Views (Part One) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-one.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 1). An Interview with Anas El-Husseini on Background, Test Scores, and Views (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-one.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Anas El-Husseini on Background, Test Scores, and Views (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-one>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Anas El-Husseini on Background, Test Scores, and Views (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-one.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Anas El-Husseini on Background, Test Scores, and Views (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-one.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anas El-Husseini on Background, Test Scores, and Views (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-one>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anas El-Husseini on Background, Test Scores, and Views (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-one.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Anas El-Husseini on Background, Test Scores, and Views (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-one>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anas El-Husseini on Background, Test Scores, and Views (Part One) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/husseini-one.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,381
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Charles Peden is a Member of the Glia Society. He discusses: growing up; an extended self; the family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence discovered; geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences and educational certifications; the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; some social and political views; the God concept; science; the tests taken and scores earned; the range of the scores; scores earned on alternative intelligence tests; and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: Charles Peden, experiences, genius, Glia Society, high-IQ, Paul Cooijmans.
An Interview with Charles Peden on the Glia Society and High-IQ Societies (Part Two)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When we’re looking at high-IQ societies, what are some areas for improvement?
Charles Peden: Religions have group services at regular intervals that reinforce their beliefs. The periodic meetings also serve to reinforce the social cohesion amongst the members. Religions also have written guidance that serves to allow the disparate members to function as a group and leverage their influence throughout the world and within their local communities. I think there is much that can be learned from such functions which may increase the interest in, and influence of, high I.Q. societies. But I have no detailed plan.
The journal Thoth is a form of periodic reinforcement as is the GliaWebNews.
2. Jacobsen: Why do most of the high-IQ societies seem to congregate online more than in-person?
Peden: People who have a specialized interest in high-range I.Q. testing seem to be randomly interspersed throughout the world. Of course, the internet allows people with specialized interests to unite virtually, irrespective of how they are separated physically. In my case, I do not personally know anyone who has qualified for a high I.Q. society, so the only fellowship I get to experience from my achievement is through online connections.
3. Jacobsen: Why is there such a turnover in the number of high-IQ societies? Many either defunct, in limbo, or functioning merely as branding cover for a personality, a theory, or as a parody on the whole notion of super-high-IQs and accurate measurements at those levels.
Peden: There seems to be no shortage of intentions in the world. I personally have a vast reserve of good intentions, so I recognize them when I see them. What is truly remarkable and valuable is the grind of keeping one’s self on track, even when one’s glamorous expectations begin to ‘moo’.
4. Jacobsen: What tends to be the ethical leanings and political orientations of these high-IQ societies, e.g., democratic, authoritarian, or anarchic?
Peden: I am not so familiar with other high I.Q. societies outside of the Glia Society. But I haven’t noticed any sort of thematic political connection amongst famous (to me) high I.Q. celebrities (i.e., Scott Adams, Rick Rosner, Jamie Loftus, James Woods, The Amazing Randi, etc.).
5. Jacobsen: Out of those forms of ethical leanings and political orientations, what one seem to bring out the best behaviour and community construction for the high-range?
Peden: I don’t know if I am projecting, but to me it appears that high-range people seem very kind in general. It’s as if they see others as deserving of kindness and respect unless the others do something to violate that right.
6. Jacobsen: What is the Glia Society?
Peden: It is a community created to reward aspiring individuals for pushing themselves to attain the standard required for admission. This concept has roots that seem ubiquitous throughout tribal cultures worldwide. The main difference being that the Glia Society has rites of passage that are based on contemporary measurements of intelligence.
7. Jacobsen: Why is the Glia Society focused on Europe?
Peden: The quiet truth is the ‘Mecca’ of the Glia Society springs from the Netherlandic town of Lieshout — Paul Cooijmans’s home town. The growth extends outward from there, but I don’t think of it as being ‘focused’ on Europe. Society members are worldwide.
8. Jacobsen: When did you join the group?
Peden: I believe I qualified in 2014 and joined soon after qualifying.
9. Jacobsen: How did you qualify for the Glia Society?
Peden: I achieved a qualifying score on the Cartoons of Shock I.Q. test.
10. Jacobsen: What is Thoth?
Peden: There is the journal of the Glia Society which is called “Thoth”. There is also a future Grail Society member who has been in contact with Paul Cooijmans who is also called Thoth. I think “Thoth” was also an ancient Egyptian god.
11. Jacobsen: Have you contributed to it?
Peden: I have made contributions to the journal Thoth since before I became a member. It is not required to be a member of the Glia Society before making contributions to the society’s journal.
12. Jacobsen: I love the phrase “A Megalomaniac’s Waterloo” by Cooijmans. It is the coda on the separating of the wheat from the chaff of the high-range. Many come to these tests thinking rather highly of their innate gifts, which seem apparent while not as high as assumed by them. How would you describe the world of the high-range?
Peden: High-range I.Q. results can play havoc with one’s ego. I think it is helpful to realize that intelligence appears most pronounced in the context of novel situations. But intelligence can seem inferior when one is among those with more experience. Intelligence is an ability that can have an enhancing effect on what one does, including the stories one tells themselves of how valuable they are.
13. Jacobsen: Why did you join the high-IQ community in the first place?
Peden: Life can be difficult and sometimes finding a niche where one is good enough can be very validating. Joining a high I.Q. community has become my shield against life’s many ‘demons’ of ostracism.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-two; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Charles Peden on the Glia Society and High-IQ Societies (Part Two) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-two.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 1). An Interview with Charles Peden on the Glia Society and High-IQ Societies (Part Two). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-two.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Charles Peden on the Glia Society and High-IQ Societies (Part Two). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-two>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Charles Peden on the Glia Society and High-IQ Societies (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-two.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Charles Peden on the Glia Society and High-IQ Societies (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-two.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Charles Peden on the Glia Society and High-IQ Societies (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-two>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Charles Peden on the Glia Society and High-IQ Societies (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-two.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Charles Peden on the Glia Society and High-IQ Societies (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-two>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Charles Peden on the Glia Society and High-IQ Societies (Part Two) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-two.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,520
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Adeline Sede Kamga is the Founder/CEO of FabAfriq Media Group, a Creative and Innovative Marketing and communication agency with offices in the UK and Cameroon operating both in Europe and Africa. A change leader and inspirational speaker with over fifteen years of experience. She has expertise working across different areas in the corporate, business and community world. She is committed to delivering quality projects in Corporate PR and Communications, Change management, Executive Coaching. She has a BA in Corporate Communications, MA in Human Resource Management at Coventry University UK and professional qualifications such as CIPD, PRINCE2 & Dip in Business Administration. Adeline is an expert in Corporate communications and PR, including digital communication and eventing. As a trained executive coach, she has worked with blue chip companies from varied sectors, helping them gain visibility across Africa and the rest of the world. Her previous experience in HR, gave her hands-on experience working in different HR projects with one of the largest employers in Europe (Birmingham City Council) & subsequently as a consultant. Amongst some of her expertise are change management, People Management, T & D and Strategic HR. She has led on many strategic and restructuring projects, leading to successful change management system & implementations. Adeline is also a founding member of FEPPSAC (Women editors of Central Africa), a UN Central Africa Office initiative to work with women in the print magazine industry. This group seeks to help drive the United Nations mandate of women, peace and security in Central Africa. She is dynamic, innovative, and tenacious. Gifted with a sharp mind and innate ability to connect with others and an insatiable thirst for excellence. In 2016, Adeline launched a Pan Excellence In People Management initiative for change called The Corporate Awards & The Corporate Women in Leadership program. Adeline invests in inspiring and empowering young leaders through speaking engagements and mentoring programs. She is married to a very supportive husband and has 3 kids. adeline.sede@fabafriq.com. She discusses: the common problems of women around the world; specifically African-based women’s issues now; the 2010s; the 2020s; the various companies and collaborators; the LGBTI community; religion; increase the good and decrease the bad manifestations of religious faith when it comes to the inculcation of more fair, just, and equitable societies for all; the next big projects; recently relaunched publishing efforts; and authors, books, or organizations.
Keywords: Adeline Sede Kamga, Africa, FabAfriq, women’s rights.
An Interview with Adeline Sede Kamga on Women’s Rights in Africa: CEO, FabAfriq Media Group[1],[2]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Obviously, standing as an outstanding woman in different countries will have different levels of difficulty in the ways in which there are problems for the respective women, while, at the same time, we will see some commonalities. What do you see as the common problems of women around the world?
Adeline Sede Kamga: Gender inequality has been a major concern for women around the world. The lack of women in positions of decision making clearly shows that more women need to be given the opportunity to influence policies. It has been a historic movement for women since Beijing as it is no longer uncommon for women to run businesses or hold job titles in the upper ranks of management. Many women also do jobs that are traditionally male dominated. For all the progress that has been made, we still see some common problems women face even though more subtle than before, but still make appearances in all parts of society, from education and the workforce to the media and politics.
Access to education and healthcare is at the top of my list, purely because these two are the base. Once we are educated and in good health, we can do anything we truly set our minds to. The right to have logistical protection over violence, rape, abuse – the list is endless. We can easily eradicate some societal issues faced by women if we are educated and empowered to make decisions that affect us directly. Just to add to the list, I will say women face gender-based violence, abuse, gender pay gaps and restrictive reproductive rights. Moreover, there is still gender equality, female genital mutilation, economic & financial empowerment, the power of the women’s vote & lack of opportunities to influence policies concerning them directly.
2. Jacobsen: What do you see as some of the more specifically African-based women’s issues now?
Kamga: Africa has an overly complex social, economic, and political patterns, with a clear difference between the rich and the poor. There are issues related to deep-rooted poverty, harmful traditional practices, restrictive laws, and social attitudes which continue to affect African women. Of Course, we can state that most women feel there is a lack of respect, promotion, protection, and fulfilment of human rights when it comes to women. Please note that my list is not exhaustive, you can comfortably add these to the ones listed on the global issues affecting women around the world.
3. Jacobsen: When you reflect on the 2010s, what were the most significant areas of improvement and decline for African women?
Kamga: In December 2008, a proposal for an Africa Women’s Decade (2010- 2020) was initiated by the African Union (AU) Ministers for Gender and Women Affairs at their meeting held in Maseru, Lesotho. The idea was adopted in February 2009 by the AU at the 12th Ordinary Summit of Heads of State and Government, in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. This was adopted and took a fast pace to implementation.
According to the African Women Decade report published by Make Every Woman Count, the UN, World Economic Forum, and other organisations have recorded an improvement in standards. There has been some improvement in Education with Seychelles, Swaziland, and Ethiopian topping the chart with more than 90% of achieving their Decade’s goals. While Cameroon, Rwanda, Kenya and South Africa and others have seen an increase in Economic Empowerment. There has not been a recorded decline that I can talk about, but I guess we should stick on the positives
4. Jacobsen: Looking ahead to the 2020s, what will be the most significant issues facing women?
Kamga: Owning their space! Women give excuses more than men. A few % of women own their success and talk about it. This is a big issue as far as I am concerned because it does not foster an environment where younger women can learn from. Role modelling is very important, and I feel we are not doing enough. Also, if most of the issues mentioned above are not addressed correctly, then we will be pointing out the same issues. However, there has been a rise in the number of platforms encouraging women to take control of their socio-economic stand in the community and we are counting on such.
5. Jacobsen: How are the various companies and collaborators for you working on these specific issues now?
Kamga: We launched the corporate women in Leadership initiative to help corporates deal with such issues affecting women at work. Most of our clients have collaborated beyond measures and we are quite pleased to see more corporations joining their voices to these. Prudential Beneficial Insurance Cameroon for example, has assigned some of its female staff to speak on our panel and mentor younger women towards achieving their goals. Others have even initiated internal associations such as Ecobank Cameroon which created an association of Ecobank Women to help support each other. We also partnered with the UN to use our platform to drive Peace and security in the community and this theme is very popular during our events. So far, I think both corporate and the public sectors are working alongside to create a much more conducive environment for women. However, I think women in politics are not encouraged enough and they should work towards this as well.
6. Jacobsen: What about the LGBTI community, as stipulated by the UN LGBTI Core Group? The L, B, T, and I community of women who are having a difficult time in Africa. What is being done to help these minority sub-demographics deal with their specific issues?
Kamga: Unfortunately, LGBTI is not an area of discussion in most African countries. While South Africa, St Helene and a few others have given this a legal status most African countries are still to come to terms about sexual orientation.
7. Jacobsen: Religion is important to many Africans. How is religion a force for good at times in Africa? How is religion a force for bad at times in Africa?
Kamga: With regards to good or bad, religion is individualistic. Meaning everyone has a right to their opinion and just like in the western world, no one forces, or obliges anyone to be religious. However, we can all confirm the importance of religion because it creates a safer and much calmer environment with regards to how people behave or act during certain circumstances. It is in line with this that I can state that religion is a force when a community needs to come together to achieve a certain level of peace, security, goodwill and more. The church is most often seen as a sanctuary, where people take their personal challenges to be resolved and this has a world for many.
For bad, religion has become a huge business opportunity for most. The rate of unemployment in Africa is high, so anyone who is eloquent and fluent with words can set up a church purely to extort. There are many men of God who have amassed wealth from the community. Most people have been blindfolded that separating the good from the bad is hard. Most recently, a young lady was raped and killed in a church in Nigeria This also might mean some churches are involved in occult or bad practices.
But then again Scott, as mentioned, I can only give my opinion with regards to what I believe, not what is fact! What might be good to me, might be bad to the other and vice versa.
8. Jacobsen: How can we increase the good and decrease the bad manifestations of religious faith when it comes to the inculcation of more fair, just, and equitable societies for all?
Unfortunately, religion is a very sensitive topic in Africa and most Africans believe that salvation is personal. When we talk of GOOD here, I am looking at what is good for me. With regards to what is good for the other I can truly not give much of an opinion. In order to have a better society, we should establish what is good and what is bad. There is so much going on now that we feel we are not in control of our lives anymore.
However, there are chapters in the bible that explain what is required from everyone to live Good. With regards to bad manifestations, I would like to focus on practices. We should focus on the scriptures to increase the good. We should look at implications on others before we react, we should wear people’s shoes to see where they pinch. By putting ourselves in the other’s position, we can easily determine what to do and what not to do. So, it is advisable for people to time and understand the bible.
The government should also put in place rules and regulations around some religious practices. Of Course, they should have clear facts, evidence, and standards.
There are some religious practices that incite hate and discrimination. First of all, there are a lot of churches in Africa and this influences the religious orientation of others. People should be educated on how to be in control of what affects their lives. Awareness of fake practices should be raised, and perpetrators should be punished by law.
9. Jacobsen: What are the next big projects for you?
Kamga: Our next big project is our 10th anniversary celebration. We have had to put it on hold because of COVID but we’ll pick up for next year. We are also working on our blueprint which will contain research gathered from our 5 years of running The Corporate Awards: Celebrating Excellence in People Management. Report will focus on our findings and recommendations will be provided at the end.
10. Jacobsen: What have been some of the recently relaunched publishing efforts by you?
Kamga: We recently relaunched FabAfriq Magazine. We are also in the process of launching our Web App for news items. We are exhausted but truly looking forward.
11. Jacobsen: Any recommendations authors, books, or organizations for the audience here today?
Kamga: Yes, I would like to recommend a remarkably interesting book on Leadership and Religion. This is written by a priest and it might be interesting to interview him. Our readers should definitely check out https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philosophy-History-Challenge-African-Thinker/dp/6202304200 and thank me later.
12. Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Adeline.
Kamga: The pleasure is all mine.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] CEO, FabAfriq Media Group.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kamga; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Adeline Sede Kamga on Women’s Rights in Africa [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kamga.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 1). An Interview with Adeline Sede Kamga on Women’s Rights in Africa. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kamga.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Adeline Sede Kamga on Women’s Rights in Africa. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kamga>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Adeline Sede Kamga on Women’s Rights in Africa.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kamga.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Adeline Sede Kamga on Women’s Rights in Africa.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kamga.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Adeline Sede Kamga on Women’s Rights in Africa‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kamga>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Adeline Sede Kamga on Women’s Rights in Africa‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kamga.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Adeline Sede Kamga on Women’s Rights in Africa.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kamga>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Adeline Sede Kamga on Women’s Rights in Africa [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/kamga.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 5,399
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Andrew Watters is a Member of the World Genius Directory. His website biography states, “I am a polymath* based in my hometown of San Mateo, California, USA. I have a law degree from U.C. Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco, a bachelor’s degree from UCLA, and fourteen to twenty years of professional experience in multiple industries.” You can learn more about him here. He discusses: familial or personal background; some pivotal moments of life; the savant-ism; law; movie or film; project; some social difficulties; met others with savant syndrome; some differences; overexcitability; the historical accounts of those considered geniuses; asynchrony; countries incorporating the gifts and talents of the gifted and talented into the society in a more functional, compassionate way; issues facing the world; far-right nationalism; the place of children or the young in society; greater asynchrony; mainstream intelligence tests; alternative tests; test creators; high-IQ societies; more intermediate takers; the pressures socially on women to conform in different ways; religion; science; philosophy; ethics; the societies that are extant; economic system; political philosophy; social philosophy; strongman leadership; certain authoritarian or autocratic societies and the ways in which they are using technology to suppress their populations; the Steven Pinkerite, and some others like the late Hans Rosling, view of things; the Trump Administration in general and President Trump in particular managing or handling the coronavirus pandemic; the threat of Christian nationalism or Dominionism; the unrest over the longstanding ethnic tensions in the United States; Western Europe; the United States into the 2020s now; the attitudes of allies of the United States at this time; importance of intelligence; a non-carbon-based construct; human societies and the image of the human being; if he welcomes this or not; books, authors, or speakers; the onslaught of science; idea of a personal religious experience being proof or evidence of a creator or some kind of personal god; arguments for morality; the Cosmological Argument or the more popular Kalam Cosmological Argument; the Ontological Argument; outside of Leonardo da Vinci; today; ongoing projects; high-IQ societies are self-annihilating based on the graveyard of them; and those who do have a lot of gifts, but they aren’t interested in societies built around cognitive ability.
Keywords: Andrew Watters, asynchrony, Europe, god, high-IQ, overexcitability, religion, United States.
An Interview with Andrew Watters on His Life, Views, and Societies Built Around Intelligence[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: In terms of familial or personal background, what are some geographic, cultural, linguistic, even religious or not?
Andrew Watters: So, English is the native language from the U.S.A., from California. Cultural background is traditional, white, middle-class upbringing [Laughing].
2. Jacobsen: When it came to some pivotal moments of life, as a highly gifted person, these can come up in a variety of ways. One can be formal testing. Another can be parents seeing various verbal and behavioural proxies early in life to show more rapid intellectual development. How did this come about for you in life? Is it in earlier life? Is it later in life?
Watters: There were several moments in my life that I experienced that other people in my peer group didn’t experience. For example, in elementary school, I would be the kid to always volunteer to answer questions because I knew the answer, and knew the answer before everyone else. I would get to the point with the teacher saying, “Listen, let someone else answer, because you have answered too many questions.”
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Watters: This is from early life. Later in life, I experienced an illness that left me with a mental heightened awareness. I believe this is acquired savant syndrome.
3. Jacobsen: What is the savant-ism direct towards?
Watters: That’s the thing. It is not expected in typical savant syndrome. It is more in multiple areas, e.g., the creative arts and in computer programming, and in the law practice, and the analytical side, which I have. I find these things that are easier for me than for other people.
4. Jacobsen: How have you used them?
Watters: I went a 12-picture motion picture series called Truth Warrior, which is an original set of 12 screenplays set in a shared cinematic universe. I am about 80% done with it.
Jacobsen: Congratulations!
Watters: Thanks, it is one example. I have come up with multiple business ideas, which I am pursuing. It is an ability, not a disability. I am very happy with that.
5. Jacobsen: How did it show itself in law?
Watters: In law, it was an awareness of or a perception of things others didn’t see. The connections between things that most attorneys would not see. It was hard at first because I communicating in a way that other attorneys were not used to or understand. I was able to bring it around and then able to communicate with other people. Also, I was able to use my abilities to further the interest of my clients.
6. Jacobsen: When it comes to this movie or film project, what is the basis for it? Why the number 12?
Watters: The number 12 is not significant, but then I had 2 more ideas. It is an idea that popped into my head one day. I was not happy with my life. I decided to write motion pictures.
7. Jacobsen: When you’re taking some of these creative arts projects, the programming, and the law, when you’re speaking of the law in a non-standard way, how does this acquired savant-ism lead to certain confusions among those who already have expertise in some of those areas but notice a proficiency in someone who is speak their language in a non-standard way? How does this arise? What are some social difficulties coming from it?
Watters: There aren’t too many social difficulties since I am 15 years into it. I am aware of how lawyers talk to one another. I see things that many lawyers don’t . It can be challenging because I find myself assessing different aspects of their competence or experience, which they’re not used to being told. That can arise in terms of social difficulties in the criticism which I, sometimes, convey to attorneys are not at a level where I feel that they need to be in terms of social skills or otherwise.
8. Jacobsen: Have you met others with savant syndrome?
Watters: I don’t know if I have ever met others with acquired savant syndrome. But I do, however, know others who are exceptionally gifted and have difficulties in communicating.
9. Jacobsen: If you take comparisons between 1 sigma above the norm, 3 sigma above the norm, even 5 sigma above the norm, what do you notice are some differences in the way that they behave or speak?
Watters: I notice quite a bit of differences in the ability to communicate with those who have exceptional gifts. I know someone who is a local telecom company owner. She is exceptionally gifted, but slightly autistic and lacks a certain social awareness. But she is really good at making ideas happen that would be beneficial to the company.
10. Jacobsen: What do you make this phenomena of overexcitability? Those with the exceptional or profound gifts do tend to experience emotions in a similarly heightened fashion, in a similar manner in which they process information a lot more deeply, a lot more comprehensively, and faster.
Watters: I think those who have unusual gifts may correlate with a heightened mood or a heightened ability to perceive. So, they may be seeing things normal people may not see. It can magnify what their reaction is to a particular emotional event or issue. So, they end up being more reactive and more unstable in terms of the reaction to what would be normal to most people.
11. Jacobsen: If you are taking some of the historical accounts of those considered geniuses by and large, who stands out to you? Those who have died.
Watters: A typical polymath who comes out to me is Leonardo da Vinci who was not well-regarded in his time and then was well-regarded after the fact. I think the lack of ability to be accepted by society results in people who have these abilities being shunned and isolated or marginalized.
12. Jacobsen: What do you make of asynchrony? We talked about overexcitability. As you know, it is someone far ahead of their age group chronologically in terms of intellectual development while being right smack on the age for their emotional age in terms of their chronological age.
Watters: I think it is a continuing challenge. For instance, in school, I didn’t fit, in terms of the advancement or the expected range of skill level during biological age. So, I felt like I was bored in normal school. It wasn’t any use to me at the time. It is a continuing challenge in society.
You have to pick kids who are at the level and select them for a particular program or advance them beyond their biological age.
13. Jacobsen: What countries incorporate the gifts and talents of the gifted and talented into the society in a more functional, compassionate way than others?
Watters: My initial impression would be China and Japan. But that’s a guess. I don’t know their education systems, but that’s my understanding.
14. Jacobsen: When you look at some of the issues facing the world now, obviously, anyone can pick any number of them from any number of areas because there are many and more problems are known in addition to being created. What ones would you mark out as especially important for folks now?
Watters: Nationalism is a big one. The nationalist movement and the far-right movements are devastating or damaging to cohesion for society. It is a big and important issue to watch out for. What the child’s and young adult’s role is in society, those would be my top two: nationalism and young adult roles/positions in society.
15. Jacobsen: What manifestations of far-right nationalism most concern you?
Watters: I would say the move towards a nationalist or a fascist government, and the unbridled patriotism, e.g., the “Make America Great Again” movement. I am not criticizing them for patriotism. I am not. It is more like a dangerous sense of entitlement or ‘we are the best and deserve the best.’ That sort of thing. That’s what concerns me.
16. Jacobsen: What about the place of children or the young in society?
Watters: I think we are burdening children with a role that they are not responsible for, by make them responsible for things they can’t control, e.g., helicopter parenting. A manifestation of that is making children grow up before their years and not letting them be kids.
17. Jacobsen: If we take one step back to asynchrony, I want to take one step there. Do you think there is a lot greater asynchrony in boys than in girls, men than in women?
Watters: I’d say, “No,” because the distribution of high intelligence. Biologically, there may be a more significantly increase in men with these abilities, but, at the same time, women are under different pressures in society and otherwise. I would say, in terms of asynchrony, “My tentative would be about equal in terms of the sexes.”
18. Jacobsen: Which mainstream intelligence tests do you consider the most reliable?
Watters: Mainstream intelligence tests, iqtest.com was a good one. It was super accurate for me. It was confirmed by some professionally administered IQ tests I had done, recently.
19. Jacobsen: What about alternative tests? What ones seem, when they are aiming for the high-range areas of intelligence, to tend to bring the most accurate, realistic measurements for the individual taking them?
Watters: My opinion is the Jason Betts tests were very accurate for me. I felt like I was solving a significant percentage of the problems. Those were accurate to the point where they were like the iqtest.com results. So, I think those are scientifically valid.
20. Jacobsen: What other test creators impress you?
Watters: Ronald Hoeflin and Paul Cooijmans. I was extremely impressed by Paul Cooijmans’s tests. I was blown away by how hard they were and how accurate I believed they would be, but I haven’t taken any professionally. I looked at them, though.
21. Jacobsen: When it comes to some of the issues of community, if you look at the World Intelligence Network of Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis Dr. Manahel Thabet, both of them have produced repository in a way, or their staff have done this, of about 84 active societies. Many of those are defunct or paralyzed or low activity, even though active. If you look at the Wikipedia entry to high-IQ societies, only 5 come out. In order or rarities, they go from Mensa International to Intertel to Triple Nine Society to Prometheus Society to Mega Society. So, what societies seem a safe first bet for individuals who want to take some tests, score well, and want to try to make their way in this niche community of the high-IQ?
Watters: I don’t think there are any appropriate for first-timers because they are so judgmental and not welcoming. It is a turn-off in terms of joining them. At least, I am not aware of any appropriate for first-time takers.
22. Jacobsen: What about more intermediate takers?
Watters: Jason Betts with the World Genius Directory. It is the most welcoming one that I have seen. That one was appropriate for myself and, I imagine, a lot of other people. I am not personally familiar with a lot of other societies that would want to join. Other than the Prometheus Society and Triple Nine. None of the tests that I have taken are accepted by them. So, there’s nothing I can do.
Jacobsen: I have heard good things from the Triple Nine Society.
Watters: Aside from the fact, they don’t accept tests that I’ve taken.
24. Jacobsen: [Laughing] Also, a person who tends to be considered the historical genius accepted by people who I’ve interviewed and a name that has come up the most has been Leonardo da Vinci. There are some common threads in terms of opinions and attitudinal stances about these things. Why are more men part of these communities than women?
Watters: I think men are more interested in proving themselves and being recognized by other men in particular as being high achieving. I don’t think women have as much of a strong drive in that area.
25. Jacobsen: How do you think the pressures socially on women to conform in different ways, behave in different ways, which influences how they think in different ways in contrast to the pressures on men in addition to some of the innate biological differences, manifest in the real world to you?
Watters: I think there is a class of women as smart as men with gifts and then they’re not encouraged to manifest them in any fashion. So, I think there is an equal distribution of IQ among men and women. There is not a statistically significant different correlation between men IQ and women IQ. I think women IQ is a factor of social conformity. There is not a lack of the need to prove themselves. I think it is innately more likely that men will be in these societies and not as common for women to join.
Jacobsen: Bad segue time!
Watters: [Laughing].
26. Jacobsen: [Laughing] What is religion to you?
Watters: Religion is meaningless to me. I have no organized religion. I am non-practicing at the moment.
27. Jacobsen: What is science to you?
Watters: It is everything.
Jacobsen: How so?
Watters: I am consumed with a desire for scientific truth. I want to know the answers. That’s why sciendce is inherently better for me than religion.
28. Jacobsen: What do you make of philosophy?
Watters: I think philosophy is important in some respects. I think it is less meaningful than science because it doesn’t provide answers. It is debating the questions and what they mean.
29. Jacobsen: What do you make of ethics?
Watters: I think it differs based on people and what they believe is appropriate behaviour or not. I think the law in particular is a better measure than ethics because ethics are variable.
30. Jacobsen: If you take the societies that are extant, and if you take out the commonalities, or take out the things that are not common to get the commonalities, what do you think are some universalistic ethics or morals coming from the law?
Watters: I think it is what advances your own interest while not disadvantaging anyone else, which is what the law is. Things that we don’t think are reasonable risks. We have laws against. Things that we think are reasonable risks. We have rewards for and incentives for. I think it is the Golden Rule and self-interest. I think the self-interested Golden Rule is the most optimal.
31. Jacobsen: What economic system makes the most sense to you?
Watters: I think capitalism with a safety net.
32. Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes the most sense to you?
Watters: Centrism.
33. Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes the most sense to you?
Watters: Liberal societies where people can do whatever they want as long as they are not infringing on other people’s rights.
34. Jacobsen: What do you make of leaders like Xi Jinping, Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump, and others similar to his cohort of – what has been termed – strongman leadership?
Watters: I am totally against strong man leadership. I think people like Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin have personality disorders and should not be in the positions that they’re in.
35. Jacobsen: What do you make of certain authoritarian or autocratic societies and the ways in which they are using technology to suppress their populations? Do you think in the long term the populations will win out over this or that this is simply a losing game for the population?
Watters: I think in China the Communist Party is extremely powerful and the technology is behind them; it’s hopeless for them. So, my hope is that the more Westernized societies where there is more individual freedom will come out on top in terms of the political ideology that is best rewarded moving forward.
36. Jacobsen: Do you agree with the Steven Pinkerite, and some others like the late Hans Rosling, view of things in general for the last few centuries have been getting better while having a buttress against the view when it’s not entirely pollyannaish? It is taking trendlines of improved level of wellbeing, more democracies, status of human rights, etc., for human beings in human societies.
Watters: I think across any dimension or measure, life is getting better overall. The issue is the negativity is greater overall with the internet, social media, etc., where anyone can access anyone else at any time. There is a false notion of things getting worse when they are getting better overall.
37. Jacobsen: How is the Trump Administration in general and President Trump in particular managing or handling the coronavirus pandemic?
Watters: Badly, I think there could be a lot more that could be done. They could listen to the scientists and the CDC and implementing recommendations rather than looking at what people want or don’t want.
38. Jacobsen: What do you consider the threat of Christian nationalism or Dominionism in the United States now?
Watters: I would say this is a 5 or a 6 on the threat level.
39. Jacobsen: What would you consider higher within the nation?
Watters: Political polarization, I put that as a 9.
40. Jacobsen: What would be a 10?
Watters: Armed revolution.
41. Jacobsen: [Laughing] What do you think would be some of the unrest over the longstanding ethnic tensions in the United States? What do you make of some of the reconciliatory efforts being made now?
Watters: I think the politicians in Washington have a distorted view of society and are putting forth measures that are popular and not necessarily right. This one issue where I lean towards the Trump Administration on, which is an exception. Violent protests are inexcusable and be met with restrictive force rather than kowtowing to the wishes of the mob. On the other hand, I think the legislation of the Democrats, where they’re trying to redress some of the grievances expressed in legitimate.
I think the Constitution is right in this case, where people can peaceful protest for redress of greivances. When they become violent, that’s when the law intervenes.
42. Jacobsen: Looking externally to Western Europe, what do you make of the 2020s in the future with the further unrest there as well?
Watters: Nationalism to the European Union, it is a challenge into the 2020s. They’re fragmented because there is no sense of unity, shared culture, or identity, other than being European. Being European is not in itself an identity, because they all these different countries with the different cultural groups, I think the European Union does not have as strong of a future as the United States for example.
43. Jacobsen: What do you think is the trajectory for the United States into the 2020s now?
Watters: I think large population growth – 400 million or so people in 20 years. I think there could an improvement in terms of the national unity in the U.S. when faced with a Russia or a China that is authoritarian and unstable.
44. Jacobsen: What do you think about some of the attitudes of allies of the United States at this time? Do you think if there was a much, much stronger national threat to the United States internationally that they would have a sufficient number of allies who would make national sacrifices in terms of resources and resolve for the United States in such a crisis?
Watters: I see that happening. So, I would agree with that.
45. Jacobsen: The importance of intelligence has declined over time in the United States in some ways. In that, a lot of parents used to be looking out for their kid being a genius. It was the culture of looking for excellence in that manner. What do you make of the some of the trajectory of some of the last few decades in terms of the emphasis on standardized testing, a decline in it, as well as a lessened in importance or emphasis culturally on the notion of genius in the United States?
Watters: I think a couple of factors there. It is the struggle between nation-states for parity. So, you have America and Russia, for example, with a near parity of military ability on both sides. It is not because we have lagged. It is just because the Russians have gotten better over the last 20 years. In terms of intelligence, I don’t think it is an issue of people getting dumber. I think it is an issue of people gaming a higher level of intelligence and becoming smarter.
So, there’s less specialness for the geniuses who are out there because the regular people are getting better.
46. Jacobsen: Do you think human forms of information processing and feeling, and even behaviour and moving, can be artificially reconstructed in another construct, in a non-carbon-based construct?
Watters: Yes, I think artificial intelligence will happen. For example, I think the transformers, artificially intelligence robots, will happen in the next couple decades in my opinion.
47. Jacobsen: What do you think will be the impact on human societies and the image of the human being?
Watters: I think society will be completely re-organized in some fashion. There is not a bright future ahead for biological life once the artificial intelligence is available.
48. Jacobsen: Do you welcome it or not?
Watters: I welcome a transhuman option, so those who are biologically based now, i.e., everyone, will have the option to transition to some form of future life, whether Neuralink or some augmentation. I think it will happen sometime within my lifetime.
49. Jacobsen: Any recommended books, authors, or speakers?
Watters: There’s a book called Novoscene by James Lovelock. He says the biological life and artificial intelligences will have a shared interest in the biosphere. So, it will be an alliance between AI and humans. I haven’t read it. It looks interesting. I can’t wait to check it out. James Lovelock is a great thinker. Stephen Wolfram is a great mathematician. Robin Hanson is a great columnist. These are all thinkers who I have interacted with or read, and enjoy their views.
50. Jacobsen: What explanations of the world do you consider completely out of the question given the advancement and the onslaught of science at this time?
Watters: I’d say the place for organized religion is over. It is no longer going to be important in society. People will turn to science and answers with certainty into the future.
51. Jacobsen: Let’s take a step back to the emphasis on natural philosophical worldview, it is a scientific frame of mind looking at operational, functional truths about the world. There are people still running around going on debates, writing books, making a good living making traditional arguments for either a religious god or some kind of non-anthropomorphic amorphous god. Some of the arguments coming forward. The idea of a personal religious experience being proof or evidence of a creator or some kind of personal god. What would you consider a reasonable response to those kinds of arguments?
Watters: That is totally false and a subjective experience depending entirely on a person’s reaction in their min to something that they believe that they experience. Those are not true and never happen. That’s my view.
52. Jacobsen: What do you think of arguments for morality only possible through a god and then you have a transcendent object? Any good can only come through this transcendent object. Therefore, any good for people can come from some personally moral object.
Watters: I disagree with the view that there is a perfect object out there giving us these laws like the law giver or whatever. When you look down to it, any law or morality is inherently based on the Golden Rule and the inherent benefit to each party in the transaction. So, anything can be reduced to this level. I don’t think there is any room in science or in the future for a god endowing people with inalienable rights or anything else.
53. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the Cosmological Argument or the more popular Kalam Cosmological Argument? There was a start. Therefore, there must be a starter.
Watters: I, definitely, support the idea of there being a divine being. But I think it is an impersonal being. I think it is more likely that the universe is created through random processes and scientific reasoning has the answers and not a personal god.
54. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the Ontological Argument? This one has to do with the fact that you can conceive of a perfect being is one step. Then you have the idea that the premise or trait, attribute, of existence is something that would make a being more perfect. Therefore, if a perfect being can exist in your mind, then it’s only natural to assume that a perfect being must exist in reality because that would then, therefore, make it both a conceivable and then an actual object. Something like that.
Watters: I totally understand that. Here’s my thought on it. I can conceive of a perfect mountain or apple in my mind. They are not existing. They do not exist in the real world. By the same logic, the same thing with the perfect god in my mind does not exist in the real world. It exists in a Platonic realm, which is unreal. Nothing unreal exists.
55. Jacobsen: Going back to some of the historical questions, who outside of Leonardo da Vinci truly impresses you or who has impressed people who you respect with regards to their writing, mathematical ability, or philosophizing?
Watters: Michelangelo is a classic one. Albert Einstein, Pliny the Elder, the historical figures who are great, Nikola Tesla. They are the ones who impress me.
56. Jacobsen: Any who impress you today?
Watters Elon Musk is one. In terms of scientists, John Carmack, he’s not a scientists, but he’s programmer. But still, he is a super impressive person and really brilliant. I would qualify him as a scientist because any other society or age; he would have been a scientist rather than a computer programmer. Those are a few off the top of my head.
57. Jacobsen: Any ongoing projects now?
Watters: I have a computer project ongoing, which is a delivery platform for professional service firms and a project management tool. I am doing web application for that, which has been going very well. I am also chief legal officer at a telecom company. It is going very well. I have multiple side projects in the creative arts.
58. Jacobsen: Now, do you think the high-IQ societies are self-annihilating based on the graveyard of them?
Watters: It would be great to have someone come and take ownership of the ones who have potential and say, “Hey, you have heard from us in a while. This is the such-and-such society.”
59. Jacobsen: For those who do have a lot of gifts, but they aren’t interested in societies built around cognitive ability, they’re interested in societies. How should they channel those interests to limit the search range?
Watters: Facebook groups are good mass market solutions. I would suggest a newsletter or some self-identifying group which has a newsletter to engage people who have abilities to get them to participate. Because the days of LinkedIn being useful for professional networking or something like this are over. It is going to take someone who wants to be involved to be interested in this and then to join.
60. Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Andrew.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/watters; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
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Abstract
Tor Arne Jørgensen is a member of 50+ high IQ societies, including World Genius Directory, NOUS High IQ Society, 6N High IQ Society just to name a few. He has several IQ scores above 160+ sd15 among high range tests like Gift/Gene Verbal, Gift/Gene Numerical of Iakovos Koukas and Lexiq of Soulios. His further interests are related to intelligence, creativity, education developing regarding gifted students, and his love for history in general, mainly around the time period of the 19th century to the 20th century. Tor Arne works as a teacher at high school level with subjects as; History, Religion, and Social Studies. He discusses: societies in micro as global trends impinge on them; WWII; reportages; the dynamic internal national changes made as nations grappled with WWII; the larger players; the smaller players; national ideologies; Russia sacrificed the most lives; the Russians view the Germans and the Americans; the big national driver bringing the small states into the larger war efforts; and larger facets and movements within the societies.
Keywords: national driver, societies, Tor Arne Jørgensen, WWII.
An Interview with Tor Arne Jørgensen on Societies and Global Trends (Part Four)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: For this fourth session, I want to focus on societies in micro as global trends impinge on them. When we look at catastrophically bad international affairs situations, we come to a large context in which the individuals who have been devastated, displaced, or killed through no fault of their own, simply as a matter of international discourse and political and military action playing out over time. With some of the historical principles governing the world order in mind, these ‘govern’ or guide international affairs. When we look at the national contexts, of even small states, what are some of the impacts on them?
Tor Arne Jørgensen: International implications led by devaluing imperialism rooted within the imperative spectrum. How then can this be regarded as anything less than a regulator narrative notion to speculate piety within the political sphere? Furthermore, the schizophrenic belligerence fueled by the principle of national discontent, regarding the regular implications of the natural world order. Disillusioning the imperialist view of one’s uniform behaviour as an alternate resolution within global governance, or the lack thereof, to be stated as a historical fact.
2. Jacobsen: Let’s take WWII, what were some of the national journalistic reportages like, as the world was destroying itself?
Jørgensen: The national journalistic reportages during WWII were mainly twofold, where the first order of business was aimed towards strengthening proactive national movement and increasing morale within the general population; secondly, it was aimed to create a feeling of confusion and despair within the hostile enemy states.
3. Jacobsen: How were these reportages biased?
Jørgensen: Through the means of misinformation and misleading journalism reasoned to strengthen government control over one’s citizens, and at the same time deter foreign hostile states.
4. Jacobsen: What have been some of the dynamic internal national changes made as nations grappled with WWII?
Jørgensen: During the war effort of WWII the Home Front became a very big ally, where the general public was set to help the combatant forces in any way they could by their direct involvement in the war efforts. The motto of the nations was at that time «all hands on deck», this in order to better prepare the various states for the coming events. The government involvement was directed towards; rationing, home defence, and more… Everyone was in some way helping out in any way they could, in order to defend his or her constitutional right from being overtaken and suppressed by any foreign power during WWII.
5. Jacobsen: For the larger players, how were they attempting to quell dissent within their respective borders?
Jørgensen: I feel I must narrow the field of application within the question, which refers to the origin of the basic proposal, thus addressing the two-faced inclination facilitated by the socialistic proclamation during the transaction phase of the Soviet regime during WWII.
A Soviet pictorial construct based on their self-perceived characteristics, thus understood as failed self-insight of one’s own iconic personification. Stalin and his paranoia caused the death of so many of his comrades in arms. Fluctuating consciousness by a notoriously unstable «commander-in-chief» whose state of mind is crucial to the incoming individuals of the state of war. The layout is meaningful in that this produces the origin’s predicative internal control.
6. Jacobsen: For the smaller players, how did they attempt to adapt to the pressures and chaos ensuing from the fights between the bigger players?
Jørgensen: By the opt of neutrality, as the pressure of the larger states hereby mainly the German/Soviet approach of a hostile takeover in order to increased land area based on the feudalist power principle. Small states’ policy to avoid the larger states conflicts during this time, were explicitly stated by the self-determined neutrality provisions where they were strategically important by either geographical or political elements, were by that fact recognized as secondary and not of absolute importance by any large hostile state by reference to previous scale conflicts.
7. Jacobsen: How did national ideologies differ in the context of the larger Allies vs. Axis commitment differences?
Jørgensen: To remark, the two main differences as to capitalistic empowerment through the means of active imperialism, versus the extremist utopian notion of a new world order governed by fascist supremacy. I would also like to address, the ignominious collapse of the nationalist view on the possibility of absolute world domination by both accounts. Further the act of regionalism as a stabilizing counter vector of interrelationship as regarded by grasping the concept of multilateralism in the order of globality through consciousness towards a moral compass directed focused on internationalism.
8. Jacobsen: Russia sacrificed the most lives in the midst of the war. How was this the case?
Jørgensen: Stalin «the man of steel» a saviour in his own eyes, what a joke, this dictatorial murderer, no better than his arch-enemy the crazed Hitler, permeated paranoia above everything and everyone. The turning point of WWII, where Stalin is more than willing at that time to sacrifice his Red Army to defend the city that bears his name, Stalingrad; the city selected by Hitler for just this reason as to destroy the man of steel and to rip apart the very foundation of the communist ideology. Stalin was more than happy to defend his country at all costs regarding the life of his own people, just as Hitler did. We will all die before they take us down. Millions of lives are lost, but as the story goes; yes, the war is in the defence of Stalingrad and turned the war effort in the favour of the allies.
9. Jacobsen: How did the Russians view the Germans and the Americans? Why did they commit so many lives?
Jørgensen: The relationship between Russia/Soviet Union and Germany has through history been betrayed as a turbulent one, or as a better term «friend or foe», but after the fraudulent betrayal of Germany/Soviet-pact and the German invasion of Soviet regarding Operation «Barbarossa» in the summer months of 1941, the scene was set for Stalin to destroy Hitler’s Germany by any means possible. The former German-Soviet non-aggression-pact made two years before in 1939, was now a thing of the past.
Ideology: As for both countries (USA, Germany), and the fear of the «Red Scare» regards to the communistic movement, Stalin was hell-bent on communist world domination. This was a direct threat against American capitalism, and the notion of national socialism by Germany.
Why did they commit so many lives? I will here address the invasion of Russia during WWII.
Stalin was caught off guard by Hitler’s invading forces, and now his beloved country was being threatened by his former ally, the number of German soldiers that took part in the German invasion of Soviets numbered more then 3 million strong. Stalin scrambled every able body to defend «his» country. Stalin’s Red Army marched against enemy lines. Stalin’s tactics were to overwhelm the German forces by sheer numbers.
If Stalin had not been so adamant in his overspend on military personnel, he would have been invaded all the way by German forces. We have to remember that the German forces were equipped with state-of-the-art- weapons at that time, and Stalin forces was using obsolete weapons technology. Also, the definite mistake Hitler was doing was the same mistake that Napoleon did some hundred years before, by not respecting the subarctic Soviet climate, also overstretching his supply lines and now having to defend himself (Hitler) on two fronts. The war fought between Germany and the Soviet was named the «Great Patriotic War» it lasted 1,418 days, and cost the lives of around 27 million Russians.
10. Jacobsen: What was the big national driver bringing the small states into the larger war efforts?
Jørgensen: Access to territories due to the establishment of air bases, army depots, also the element of close strategic positioning to launch an attack upon a foreign enemy power.
11. Jacobsen: How were larger facets and movements within the societies destroyed as a result of the war efforts? How were other movements, e.g., rights for women, etc., advanced as a result of the war efforts?
Jørgensen: As a start, the changes in the aftermath of war on this scale, will often unleash or in many cases accelerate numerous forces of change, thus within industry or society alike.
When a large scale impact, one either weakens or strengthens that nation’s governance. Internal reforms may spur into social change and political reform. In short, one forces through a political revolution within the otherwise traditional democracy.
The paradigmatic shift regarding the structural environment within the various political movements is taking place. Capitalist upheavals of gigantic proportions, as the world licks their territorial and economic wounds. We see the start of a new charter, based on some of the principles of the previous failed League of Nation, by the new uninspiring UN human rights as the predominant global security guarantor by and for all small and large nations alike.
During WWII, the men were sent off to war and somebody needed to make sure that the war machine was going strong, by that I will bring-forth the Rosie the Riveter movement. The importance of Rosie the Riveter movement can not be understated and is viewed as the main turning point for the national female workforce movement, that paved the path forward for an all globalized effect, where the status as a home wife was to be in the transaction from WWII and forward. The labour-leading rights and income for a woman were by that in the starting point of global standardization.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, ISI-Society; Member, Mensa; Grand Member, Grand IQ Society; Distinguished Member, THIS.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jorgensen-four; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Tor Arne Jørgensen on Societies and Global Trends (Part Four) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jorgensen-four.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 1). An Interview with Tor Arne Jørgensen on Societies and Global Trends (Part Four). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jorgensen-four.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Tor Arne Jørgensen on Societies and Global Trends (Part Four). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jorgensen-four>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Tor Arne Jørgensen on Societies and Global Trends (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jorgensen-four.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Tor Arne Jørgensen on Societies and Global Trends (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jorgensen-four.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Tor Arne Jørgensen on Societies and Global Trends (Part Four)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jorgensen-four>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Tor Arne Jørgensen on Societies and Global Trends (Part Four)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jorgensen-four.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Tor Arne Jørgensen on Societies and Global Trends (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jorgensen-four>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Tor Arne Jørgensen on Societies and Global Trends (Part Four) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/jorgensen-four.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,743
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dr. Giuseppe Corrente is a Computer Science teacher at Torino University. He earned a Ph.D. in Science and High Technology – Computer Science in 2013 at Torino University. He has contributed to the World Intelligence Network’s publication Phenomenon. He discusses: cybersecurity; cybersecurity now; the Fourth Industrial Revolution; an unstable context of continual technological revolutions grounded in the advancements of science; this current wave of science and technology; Humanism; traditional religions; ethics and philosophy; and values.
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: We live in an era of immense amounts of information and a proliferation of different means by which individual citizens can acquire some semblance of privacy because of the individual want or need for a sense of self with oneself and not a sense of self consistently and always integrated with the extended self of community and society. Individuated consciousness is important and seems like the main drive behind the development of applications and technologies devoted to individual privacy. Cybersecurity is the current wave or reflection of this personal need as human beings. What is cybersecurity?
Giuseppe Corrente: I think we have to think to cybersecurity as the transposition in cyberworld of the security and privacy in physical world. It can be thought as a need not only of individual, but also of companies and nations. Furthermore a cyber-attack can have obviously heavy consequences in the physical world, also in terms of human lifes.
2. Jacobsen: Why is cybersecurity important now?
Corrente: Now our lives are wholly embedded in the information and communication technology, and so it is also for economic production cycles, financial flows, spatial and military affairs. Each thing, from strictly personal to worldwide domain, can be potentially the target of a cyber-attack. It is also of main importance for governments and politics to find the correct balance between individual privacy and rights and social security, this is a very difficult question and can determine the difference between the democracy and the tyranny.
3. Jacobsen: With the Fourth Industrial Revolution, we continue to see human stupidity ramped to a new level of incoherence and human genius brought to new levels of elegance, beauty, and functionality. What is it?
Corrente: The eternal fight between the Good and the Evil in one of its aspects. When I study a technology my aim is to understand it and to become an expert of it. This is a prerequisite to use it for the Good, other than for the personal profit, obviously.
4. Jacobsen: How is this simply another wave in the continual onslaught against human attempts at stability in an unstable context of continual technological revolutions grounded in the advancements of science?
Corrente: The technology is a consequence and an application of the Science. It is also a mean. It has to be used for the Good. And above all with competence. Human errors have caused the main technological disasters.
5. Jacobsen: Science is one human activity. Technology, thus, is one application of the human activity to fulfill human needs, wants, and whims to one degree or another. Technology and its functionality continue to show human beings as a good enough evolved organism with all sorts of flaws, failings, and foibles, not as some divine plan or construction but, rather, as an obvious case of a work-in-progress based on the pressures of nature. What in this current wave of science and technology seems to best reflect this now?
Corrente: Theory of evolution by Darwin.
6. Jacobsen: Humanism came with the collapse of many supernaturalistic claims about the nature of the world and the theologies and philosophies of the world have been playing catch-up with science in a number of ways. However, when we come to the modern world, human beings, full stop, have been having difficulty keeping apace with the information revolutions before us. In a manner of speaking, if we apply the Positive Disintegration theoretical framework for understanding higher-order coherence of cognitive architecture – that which yield more functional and appropriate comprehension of an organism context and relation to an environment and other organisms – in a more general fashion, then the current modes of operation will lead to continual, and increasing, calamities of the internal mindscapes of human beings. We will feel a collapse, a falling away, a breaking apart, for the development of more coherent and universalistic senses of self to move beyond some of the siloed futuristic ideations of some strands or streams of the humanist ethic and life stance so characteristic of the world today. I observe some of this in the universalistic sense of compassion emergent, a tad, a bit, a whiff, in the coronavirus responses of peoples all over the world, which remains a refresh gust of cosmopolitanism against the ethnic nationalism characteristic of several countries now. What else can help move to the world more towards the cosmopolitan Humanism rather than the parochial and provincial (statist) Humanism?
Corrente: Using the Smart Working tools for meetings among distant people ad organizing periodically these meeting also between group distant also in life philosophy, interest and ideology. Communicating.
7. Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, are traditional religions up to the task now?
Corrente: A traditional religion can represent an absolute value for an its credent, or can represent one of many possible values or points of view for an extraneous, the very important thing is to not tolerate the integralism and the intolerance.
8. Jacobsen: Following from two questions ago and echoing the immediate past question, what ethics and philosophy can fulfill this task of creating a more just, equitable, and enlightened world?
Corrente: A mix of disciplines, scientific values, religious traditions and the willing to study and to communicate each other in the sign of tolerance, knowledge, curiosity and above all respect.
9. Jacobsen: Any technology infusion changes human beings and, thus, alters human nature. It is not a question of yes or no, but a matter of degree. Thus, any proclamations of a human future or a techno-future/robo-future are either ignorant or not paying attention. The proposed Singularity is not a – ahem – singular event, but, rather, an event on a roll and part of a wider – dare I say – spiritual advancement of humanity a la Chardin while without the supernatural, metamaterial, extranatural non-sense (as in that which can’t be tested or sensed) and vague speculative theological musings tied to them. We’re talking about a comprehensive mastery in general principles of the natural world leading to technical mastery to be reflected in the technology for us, followed by a transformation – all as a ball on a roll gathering momentum – in the definition of human nature towards that which incorporates technology. However, I would consider technology in a much larger sense in which technology becomes that which nature does with evolution via natural selection (and other selection mechanisms) to bring about human beings and the technology constructed by human beings becoming a more conscious design and selection process, while still amounting to technology. Our split between natural and synthetic seems – well – artificial on this level to me. If we take a larger definition of “technology” and a cosmopolitan sense of Humanism, and reconfigure notions of a future for humans and human values, and a future for technology and artificial intelligence values, what makes this Industry 4.0, cybersecurity, Humanism, and so on, simply a matter of reframing perspective and adapting oneself and one’s values in a positive manner to the inevitable changes incoming and, in turn, to change the future to the values incorporating of that which we deem positive, humanistic, now?
Corrente: We can adapt ourselves, or evolve, together with science and technology. Remaining ourselves with our values. But in some questions this is not the point. In few years this is possible, but in few decades we could redefine the human being concept itself, and when this will be necessary, I hope that this will be done by the intellectual and moral leadership of humanity and not directed by political and economic or financial interests.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Ph.D. (2013), Science and High Technology – Computer Science, Torino University.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-seven; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Cybersecurity and Values (Part Seven) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-seven.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 1). An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Cybersecurity and Values (Part Seven). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-seven.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Cybersecurity and Values (Part Seven). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-seven>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Cybersecurity and Values (Part Seven).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-seven.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Cybersecurity and Values (Part Seven).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-seven.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Cybersecurity and Values (Part Seven)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-seven>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Cybersecurity and Values (Part Seven)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., hhttp://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-seven.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Cybersecurity and Values (Part Seven).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-seven>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Cybersecurity and Values (Part Seven) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-seven.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,112
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Chef Craig Shelton has over 40 years of experience in science-based cooking and teaching in the hospitality business. He trained in eight of the world’s greatest restaurants, including “El Bulli”, “Jamin”; “Ma Maison”, “L’Auberge de l’Ill”, “Le Pré Catelan”, “Bouley”, “Le Bernardin”, and “La Côte Basque. Chef Shelton has earned countless awards as Chef-Owner of his own restaurants including a James Beard Best Chef medal, NY Times 4-Stars ratings on four separate occasions, a 5-Star Forbes rating, the Relais & Châteaux Grand Chef title; and Number One Top Restaurant in America in 2004 from GQ. Mr. Shelton is also an instructor at Princeton University in the Princeton Environmental Institute, where he teaches a freshman seminar on the interrelationships between public policy, agriculture, diet-related disease and anthropogenic climate change. Mr. Shelton began his expertise in this area while an undergraduate of Yale where he earned his degree in Molecular Biophysics and Biochemistry. He is a co-founder of the think tank, Princeton Center for Food Studies, the founder of King’s Row Coffee, and a co-founder of Aeon Holistic Agriculture, Inc. He is recognized as a consummate business consultant with specialization in macro finance. He is known for his ability to generate excitement in his cooks and instill in them the drive toward excellence by connecting all aspects of gastronomy to the larger intellectual landscape – chemistry, ecology, literature, art and human physiology. His great passions are reading and ocean sailing. His full C.V. can be seen here. More about Aeon Hospitality, Mountainville Manor, Aeon Holistic Agriculture, Kings Row Coffee, and Princeton Studies Food (in the hyperlinks provided). He discusses: some family background; adolescence and young adulthood; undergraduate work; a blue-collar community; an earlier interest in the food industry and hospitality; expertise required to found companies, businesses, oriented around hospitality and food; and Aeon Hospitality.
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: In regards to some family background, what were some relevant parts of it – geography, culture, language? What were some pivotal moments of early life, which you’ve taken full steam ahead now?
Craig Shelton: I grew up in a little seacoast town in New Hampshire called Rye Beach. I grew up in Europe because my mother is French. We did do a lot of time in France, in particular. We lived in a remote area, where there’s quite a distance to the next kid of my age. So, I had a lot of time on my hands–almost boredom. I had to make use of this myself. One seminal moment was when one of my aunts, my father’s sister, decide to study with the Dalai Lama in Nepal. She gave her complete set of Harvard classics to me. She sensed that I could use something like that. I proceeded to read the entire series. For the next 3/4 years, I must have been 12, so, maybe, by the age of 16, which was an unusual thing for a kid to do. A little funny story was when I was transferred from junior high school to high school in Portsmouth (New Hampshire) High School, public school. They did the usual sort of standardized testing. Something must have gone terribly wrong. I was told to go to this particular English class. They were teaching children how to spell 3-letter words like “cat” and “dog.” Now, I was a very reticent child, very obedient. So, I sat there a puzzled but trusting authority. I do not say anything for the first few days. After a point, it seemed obvious to me that something was not right. I go to the teacher and ask if he is sure3 that I belong in his class. We get to talking. I am talking to him about Schopenhauer, Kant, Wittgenstein…
Jacobsen: …[Laughing]…
Shelton: …Aristotle… [Laughing]. He’s like, “Holy shit. Something must have gone wrong with the system because you scored ‘off the charts’, so we thought you were illiterate.” That was a funny moment. They put me in a different place after that, which was a little better suited. But I thought it was funny.
2. Jacobsen: What about adolescence and young adulthood?
Shelton: I felt somewhat different than most of the people around me, pretty much all of the people. I felt it was very necessary to hide my intellect because you would trigger resentment if you excelled intellectually. You know what I am trying to say.
Jacobsen: Yes.
Shelton: You try to develop and imitate the mannerisms, the interests. You pretty much keep the true inner life to yourself. But it is helpful in that regard because there wasn’t a gifted program, so you needed to fit in. I stabbed in the dark trying to find a haphazard way, to self-educate where the school curriculum didn’t offer what I needed. I was really without guidance in the whole thing. My mother, to her credit, put herself through college and became a professor at a young age at the University of New Hampshire in Literature. That really, really helped me a lot to get exposure to an academic community and have access to a university library.
3. Jacobsen: What about yourself? What did pursue in undergraduate work in early adulthood?
Shelton: No, I wasn’t sure of the options available to a child in university. It was a normal working-class type neighbourhood for the most part with a little bit of middle class, an occasional doctor or something. So, I was not really exposed to the academic way of life. You might give a little hint from someone like a friend of the family who is a doctor, who might encourage a little. It is still more of a working and career type of pursuit, e.g., a trade or a profession like law–but not pure academics. That just wasn’t part of the community culture at that time.
4. Jacobsen: The idea of living in a blue-collar community. You are somewhat aware of academics. However, it is not part of the culture for the encouragement of it. In that context, you can get an education, but have a goal of getting a job sort of education. It is not the pursuit of knowledge for knowledge’s sake.
Shelton: Yes, you did not dream of something academic as a future. For a lot of us in that community, it seemed aspirational to just to go to college, like, “Wow! You’re going to college.” It was a big deal. If you said that you wanted to go to one of the Ivies, it is not even something that was ever disclosed. So, the idea of postgraduate education rarely entered any of our minds. We had the concept of a doctor and a lawyer. Graduate school seemed like something for the very well off. I hope I’m not distorting my memory of it. There were, maybe, 5% or 10% in the school who were serious students. The teachers, they were a great lot. They were nice people. They were earnest. But what was very clear, there wasn’t a track for gifted people. We just blended in with everybody else.
5. Jacobsen: Did you have an earlier interest in the food industry and hospitality?
Shelton: Yes, so early, I was, basically, born into it. My grandparents from France, my mother’s parents, opened a restaurant during the occupation, the German occupation; he was a leader of the resistance. He died before I was born. I grew up in the summers and vacations spent in France breathing in the whole restaurant culture. We would have relatives and outings, aunts and cousins, who are deep into gastronomy, deep into wine collecting. In fact, one of my uncles was the owner of a famous cognac firm, called Hardy. But it was just our family life. When my grandmother was done cooking, we would sit around the big table of the kitchen and laugh a lot and tell stories. I had a lot of great memories. My mother had a lot of traumatic memories from the restaurant life, on the hard life of her mother. She cautioned me against it. Nonetheless, when I told her I wanted to be a professional chef, she totally supported the switch—as did my father.
6. Jacobsen: How did you begin to develop the expertise required to found companies, businesses, oriented around hospitality and food?
Shelton: One of the things that I like to point out about a restaurant is that although it is about the craft—and the people who love the craft: the waitstaff, the cooks, the chefs, it is a collection of craftsmen in their best iterations. But, by the same token, it is a real business. It has all the same functional needs of any other business structure. It needs a Finance division. It should have composed of different subdivisions: 1) Accounting, 2) MIS (management information systems), and 3) Administrative and Compliance. It also needs a Marketing division, with its three subdivisions: 1) Research and Advertising, 2) Customer Service (which measures subjective data), and 3) Sales. The third Division is Operations and its three subdivisions are: 1a) FOH (Front of House), 2) BOH (Back of House), and 3) Property Management. Each of those subdivisions requires years and years of independent, unique formation, academic, professional. All of this is largely ignored in the hospitality profession. I got my training in the craft in traditional ways. I decided to study from a good number of the world’s greatest chefs. I studied 7 or 8 restaurants including the #1 in the world at the time, which was “Jamin” with Joël Robuchon in Paris. Le Pré Catalan in Paris, Pastry form LeNôtre, Les Trois Marches in Versailles, l’Auberge de l’Ill in Alsace and others. I went to America and trained up through the standard formation from the lowest rank at Ma Maison (LA), Le Chantilly (NYC), to Sous Chef at La Côte Basque (NYC), and Le Bernardin (NYC), finally to the chef to cuisine at Bouley (NYC) the number one restaurant in America and transform it into that for four years and a half years.
Also, I have also been a very light sleeper for most of my adult life. No more than a few hours, it gives time to read approximately one book every two days. I began this self-education in the world business and the world of marketing. I went through hundreds of books towards that MBA type of education. Books on finance, economics, business theory, leadership, marketing, guerilla-marketing, service, on wine, on dietary science, plus a ton of cookbooks. After that, I opened my own restaurant in a rural area of New Jersey. It was a very special type of business problem because, in America, fine dining is predicated on the ability of city restaurants to do multiple seatings. You have to think about the fixed costs and the variable costs. The labour and the overhead are fixed, whether 1 seating, 4 seatings, or 5 seatings per night. When you can allocate the fixed expense across multiple seatings, it allows you to reduce the price. So, it is counter-intuitive. In reality, a Manhattan restaurant can charge exactly one half of what a rural restaurant would have to charge to stay afloat because the rural restaurant only gets a single seating. Of course, rural restaurants find other ways to stay alive. They compromise quality and compromise labour in addition to a bunch of other tricks. But it is never an apples-to-apples fix. Something gets lost in the translation. I wasn’t willing to have the compromise of quality. It was a necessity to stay alive and learn about all of these things in order to find out where there might be some areas of opportunity.
That is, where the fundamental first principles of thinking in the industry might be false and, therefore, might allow me to have a competitive edge, for example, my professional formation and apprenticeships had every chef in the Western world had been taught that, “We sear a piece of meat to lock in the juices.” But I remember from molecular biophysics and biochemistry training at Yale. That didn’t make any sense at all. It leads me to discover that the protein cookery theory was a remnant of the turn of the century in the 1890s from Escoffier attempting to use the science of his day articulated by Justus von Liebig. Unfortunately, most of Liebig’s ideas at the molecular level turned out to be false. But because the industry had not shed these false first assumptions in protein cooking theory, everyone was using excessive labour that was inefficient while turning out the substandard product: loss of moisture, loss of tenderness, and loss of yield.
I believe that I was one of the first chefs in America to apply both the art form and science at a deep level. For me, it was the economics of staying alive. It was easier to train cooks to become competent using a scientific matrix. We were not using the recondite vocabulary of advanced biology, chemistry, and physics. I was using “scientific metaphors.” I was using the language and metaphors that they could follow. I would talk about protein like a “string of pearls”. Each one of those pearls is an amino acid (in a protein) or a sugar molecule (in a starch). What happens with heat, or enzymatic action is that the long string of pearls gets broken down into its constituent building blocks. This unlocks “hidden flavour”. I found that by teaching with that basic scientific matrix, we could get people to a high level of competence as line cooks in a year; whereas, in a traditional way, it could take 5 years to attain that level of competence.
7. Jacobsen: When you’re looking at Aeon Hospitality, what is the integrative vision there? It is a multilayered project, of which you’re the CEO. How are you using the “scientific matrix” to bring a biophysical approach – in a manner of speaking – to cooking and hospitality? Which will be more efficient in the end, though, it is based on economic survival, need.
Shelton: One of the things that snapped all of this together to understand me even better. It was when Iain McGilchrist published The Master and His Emissary. It covered the lateralization of the human brain. The idea that we have two different types of simultaneous cognitions or awarenesses, perceptions. It uses the metaphor of the bird on the branch and the earthworm could be his lunch. This is the problem. How do they eat without being eaten by something else? So, the brain, even down the most primitive species, developed this parallel set of brains. One with the ability of laser focus, logic if you will – deductive reasoning, even if pre-conscious. The other has this ambient, omniscient type of awareness, which doesn’t require codification. We have this problem. For logic to happen, we must perform reification. We must use simplifications to perform the slope calculation to dive down and get the earthworm. In order for non-complicated math for everyday living, we have to perform reification or have to treat beings as if they are objects, as first-order assumptions; we have to treat systems as if they are objects.
Then we can do our maths. In the short run for things like a bird swooping down and catching an earthworm, it is perfectly valid and reasonable. The problem, once we build the false first assumptions on those, then the more rigorously, deeply, and at length that we cogitate, the more embedded the false assumptions become and the farther from the truth that we veer. McGilchrist has validated our approach. I can summarize, “We shouldn’t be shocked when we discover extraordinary errors in our institutional thinking, in the thinking systems of the institutions. We should expect this as a regular occurrence. It must happen.” So, that marinates the whole approach. Almost everybody thinks the easiest way to have a highly successful business, a highly successful restaurant or hotel, banqueting facility, in a sphere is to add something of a genius or remarkable and new. But in my opinion, that’s the hardest way to improve a business and risky. It is so much easier to just stop doing so many stupid little things.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Aeon Hospitality.
[2] Individual Publication Date: August 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shelton-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Chef Craig Shelton on Background and Aeon Hospitality (Part One) [Online].August 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shelton-one.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, August 1). An Interview with Chef Craig Shelton on Background and Aeon Hospitality (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shelton-one.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Chef Craig Shelton on Background and Aeon Hospitality (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, August. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shelton-one>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Chef Craig Shelton on Background and Aeon Hospitality (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shelton-one.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Chef Craig Shelton on Background and Aeon Hospitality (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (August 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shelton-one.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Chef Craig Shelton on Background and Aeon Hospitality (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shelton-one>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Chef Craig Shelton on Background and Aeon Hospitality (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shelton-one.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Chef Craig Shelton on Background and Aeon Hospitality (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):August. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shelton-one>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Chef Craig Shelton on Background and Aeon Hospitality (Part One) [Internet]. (2020, August 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/shelton-one.
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Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 29, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
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Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 900
Keywords: feminism, Humanist Society of Zimbabwe, religion, Takudzwa Mazwienduna, Zimbabwe, Zimbabwean Secular Alliance.
Ask Takudzwa 4 – African State-Wide Alliancese[1],[2]
Takudzwa Mazwienduna is the informal leader of Zimbabwean Secular Alliance and a Member of the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe. This educational series will explore secularism in Zimbabwe from an organizational perspective, and more. He is a friend and former boss at the now-defunct Cornelius Press in South Africa.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Often, humanist and feminist organizations remain allies. Are they allies in Zimbabwe? If so, how so?
Takudzwa Mazwienduna: The Feminist organizations in Zimbabwe are mostly under Christian influence, they are not willing to associate with Humanist organizations which are viewed the same as Satanic cults, even by the general public. Zimbabwe is a seriously Christian country whose society is not welcoming to anything that does not subscribe to Christianity. Even LGBTQ organizations are not eager to associate with Humanists. It will automatically cost them any support they had with the public.
Jacobsen: How old is religion in Zimbabwe? How long back does discrimination against women go back? How does religion discriminate against men who tend to be poor?
Mazwienduna: Religion has been around in Zimbabwe since the Bantu settled there around 8000 CE. The kingdom of Great Zimbabwe as it was known back then still has shrines and granite buildings left from the Era which have been declared a UNESCO heritage site. Anthropologists are still uncovering a lot about the Great Zimbabwe civilization, but from the little we know so far, it was a center for trade with Arabs and different travellers. Their religion had a lot to do with ancestral worship and some rural communities still follow similar traditions today. When the British South Africa Company colonized the country 1000 years later in 1890, the London Missionary Society carried out a mass genocide persecuting anyone who didn’t subscribe to Christianity. Most traditionalists went underground but Christianity overtook the mainstream and anything else was frowned upon. The Christian fundamentalism of the London Missionary Society days is still the same today and traditionalists are demonized and accused of witchcraft, especially women. Women had important roles in traditional society. They were religious leaders as spirit mediums through whom the ancestors spoke. The famous Mbuya Nehanda is a good example, she led the first resistance war against British settlers in 1893 until they caught her and hung her the same year. The rise of capitalism and Christianity has left women in a very disadvantaged position today. Religion in Zimbabwe actually profits off the poor because prosperity gospel pastors are rising, selling people false hope. The most famous of them all right now is Walter Magaya, a millionaire who has multitudes of rape allegations against him from young women in his congregation, but because he has the police and powerful politicians in his pocket, he walks free selling miracle cucumbers, fake HIV medicine etc… It’s plain ridiculous.
Jacobsen: If we are looking at poor men, if we’re looking at rural populations, if we’re looking at women in general, and those with disabilities, what are the positives of religion? What are the negatives of religion?
Mazwienduna: The Anglican, Catholic, Methodist and Apostolic Faith Mission churches have done the most when it comes to poverty and helping the poor. My mother grew up in an abandoned child-headed family and it was Catholic nuns who took them to school. They have continued to run orphanages and pay fees for disadvantaged children up to this day. The majority of churches coming up nowadays however are there to profit off the poor. Some of them even promise miracle money if you give them “seed money.” even buying a front seat close to the “anointed man of God” on Sundays costs a fortune, yet people desperate for financial miracles are always eager to buy these seats for more than they can afford.
Jacobsen: I ask this within a Zimbabwean context. How can alliances within African states and between statewide organizations begin to manifest in a more robust way? I know of some initiatives in Africa and what is happening. I know of some statewide organizations in various African nations.
Mazwienduna: The African Civil Society needs to develop reliable networks that are based on the need for progress alone, and not politics. It is also important that we have a lot more discussion concerning progressive issues between activists from different fields.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Takudzwa.
Mazwienduna: Thank you Scott, it’s always a pleasure.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 29, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ask-takudzwa-4-african-state-wide-alliances.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 27, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
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Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 922
Keywords: ex-Muslim, France, restrictions, secularism, speech, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Waleed Al-Husseini on the Restrictions of Speech, Secularism, and More[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
We have been corresponding and conducting interviews for a long time now. I reached out once more to talk about some principles, apparently or to some, seemingly in conflict with one another.
These were the ideas of freedom of expression and secularism and then restricted expression and theocracy. Both stand opposed to one another, including the various tendencies in form for them their arising.
The values of France tend towards secularism and freedom of expression. Al-Husseini holds values more in line with secularism and similar values. He believes in a firm separation between the state and religion.
Al-Husseini stated, “All of these things do not exist in Islam. It only exists when they are all Muslims as part of humanity (‘it’ only exists? What is ‘it’?) But these can then be computed only within the framework of Islam and Islamic values, which is why they are asking for the defence of the hijab in the name of liberty, but then they attack criticism of Islam in the name of racism.”
Al-Husseini makes the distinction between the arguments about race and racism, and Islam and the doctrines, in the criticism here. He views the hijab as an example of slavery and second-class citizenship within the societal framework.
That is to say, he sees this as a means by which to see women as a sexual tool. It becomes a political tool for more fundamentalist versions and interpretations of Islam too.
He does see this form of criticism of Islam as a fundamental human right found in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
When I asked about Sharia Law and Sharia courts in some interpretations of Islam, these can exist separate or distinct from universalist traditions of law, wherein a dual-law system can be set and found in a secular society.
Yet, the society will have a dual-law set with one of the two being theocratic-based and, therefore, infringing on the fundamental basis of secularism as the separation of, in this instance, Mosque and State.
“This is what happened in the UK, and that is why I do not like “secularism” and prefer the term “laïcité”! With secularism, they make insular communities and everyone lets them do what they want,” Al-Husseini stated, “I remember in 2010, maybe one court released someone who was charged with beating his wife, because he said that it is okay to beat your wife within Islam and our religion!”
He makes this as an argument for the separation of the place of worship and the public & political life of the citizenry. He sees the battle for secularism as a long one ahead of the citizenry who desire a secular state.
Al-Husseini argues the education in secularism should begin in the earliest years of an individual. In that, there should be a stoppage of teaching religion as true or false in schools, but, instead, keeping these battles for the minds of the young as a true education in simply the facts of the faiths: what do individuals all over the world believe?
Al-Husseini continued, “Also, we should stop telling kids about jihad and should not separate people into Muslims and non-Muslims! It provides a simplistic view of the world. Let them see all of us as humans of many stripes and shades, and types. And the governments should have a secularism law and work hard for it!”
He observes a common problem not simply in the education but in the people, too. As there can be a problem in the people simply not adhering to the tenets of a secular state, this can create a problem.
Another can be obscurantism about aspects of some parts of a faith. Al-Husseini spoke of terms like Islamophobia, from his point of view, being a problem.
“Because, for example, there are the jihad-ists or terrorists who physically attack you, but then there are these moderates who also attack you in courts!” Al-Husseini stated. He can see this in the admixture of the definitions between racism, hatred and fear of another because of ethnic background or look, and bigotry against an individual believing Muslim.”
He noted this was something that he talked about in his last book. Al-Husseini concluded on the assertion that ex-Muslims know more about Islam and the ways of Islamism than individual Muslims.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 27, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/waleed-al-husseini-on-the-restrictions-of-speech-secularism-and-more.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
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Individual Publication Date: July 27, 2020
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Keywords: clerics, COVID-19, faith healing, Leo Igwe, Nigeria Centre for Disease Control.
NCDC: Sanction Clerics Who Make COVID19 Faith Healing Claims[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches, and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030. He is a friend.
The Nigeria Centre for Disease Control (NCDC) should put in place measures to punish all clerics- pastors and prophets, mallams/imams, traditional priests, and others who claim to have healed or could heal coronavirus patients through faith or prayers. Such claims represent the height of collective insensitivity and irresponsibility at this critical time in history. They undermine the efforts of the World Health Organisation (WHO), and other public health agencies to contain and combat this vicious pandemic.
Recently, a growing number of clerics in Nigeria have made claims of healing COVID19. While some pastors claimed to have already healed some patients, others have offered to pray for those who have the disease. For instance, Bishop David Oyedepo of the Living Faith Church a.k.a Winners Chapel stated that 114 members of his church had been healed of COVID19. “We have recorded 114 coronavirus healing testimonies, we got 10 this week” This cleric reportedly said.
And in a related development, Pastor T B Joshua of the Synagogue of All Nations has expressed readiness to pray for coronavirus patients. Apostle Suleman has made similar proclamations. He claimed to have healed persons who had the virus and went further to urge the government to allow him into the COVID19 isolation centers to pray for the patients. Another pastor in Calabar popularly known as My Father My Father is selling COVID19 preventive oil for a hundred dollars. He has urged the governor of Cross River state to allow him to pray for the coronavirus patients including those who have died as a result of the infection. Other pastors have made similar reckless and irresponsible claims about healing COVID19. They have been trying to give Nigerians false hopes and spurious remedies for the disease. In a country with limited capacity to test and manage the pandemic, it is unconscionable for clerics to promote bogus healing claims.
COVID19 is a public health emergency that requires uttermost care, diligence, expertise, and evidence-based knowledge. Coronavirus faith healing claims constitute a dangerous public health trend that must be nipped in the bud. In many countries, the spread of COVID19 infection has been linked to activities of clerics and other faith healers. Some faith healing pastors have contracted and died as a result of the virus. Thus it is imperative to call these faith healing pastors to order and help bring an end to the scourge of misinformation about the pandemic in Nigeria. NCDC should penalize clerics that make these claims, deregister churches that peddle coronavirus faith healing testimonies, and other wacky healing propositions or rituals. WHO has declared that there is no cure for the coronavirus. The global health agency has outlined directives for the management of the pandemic including social distancing, washing of hands, and the use of face masks. Faith healing is not reckoned as an effective and proven means of containing the pandemic. Instead, faith healing enables the spread of the infection and goes contrary to evidence-based mechanisms for combating the virus.
NCDC and other relevant agencies should rise to their duties and responsibilities and sanction clerics who violate the guidelines for the management of the COVID19 pandemic.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 27, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ncdc-sanction-clerics-who-make-covid19-faith-healing-claims.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
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Individual Publication Date: July 24, 2020
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Keywords: Advocacy for Alleged Witches, Africa, beating, elderly, Ghana, witch, witchcraft.
Elderly Woman Beaten and Lynched for Witchcraft in Ghana[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AfAW), and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030. He is a friend, and boss at AfAW.
A 90-year-old woman, accused of witchcraft, has brutally been murdered in East Gonja in Northern Ghana. Several local news and social media outlets have reported this unfortunate incident. A local television station, TV3, shared a video link on its Facebook page showing a woman being beaten in public while a crowd looked on. The video shows two other women flogging and hitting the woman with heavy objects. Belief in witchcraft is pervasive in Ghana. Alleged witches are banished and sometimes killed. In northern Ghana, witch killing is not common. Alleged witches usually flee their communities and take refuge in cities. Alleged witches also relocate to certain shrines usually designated as witch camps. However, in recent years, the government of Ghana has started disbanding these witch camps following accusations of exploitation, squalid living conditions, and human rights abuses in these places. This development has led to a situation where alleged witches have been forced to return to families and communities that banished them. The closure of some witch camps has left alleged witches with limited options. It has created a situation where persons accused of witchcraft are unable to flee their communities. They are forced to stay behind until they are murdered as in this case. The government and some NGOs have continued to shy away from the main problem, which is stamping out witch belief and witchcraft accusations in the communities. Ghanaian authorities have not invested in getting the local population to understand that witchcraft is a form of superstition without any basis in reason, science, or in reality. It is pertinent to make the people realize that witchcraft is a mistaken idea and explanation for misfortune. NGOs have refused to engage in reorienting the minds of Ghanaians and persuading them to use science and critical thinking, not magic and superstition, in making sense of misfortune such as diseases, accidents, and deaths.
Instead of embarking on massive education and enlightenment campaigns that reason Ghanaians out of witchcraft beliefs, the government and some NGOs are busy dismantling the only facility of refuge, safety, and protection that alleged witches have in the region. Simply put, the government is addressing the consequence, not the cause, it is tackling the symptom, not the disease. Campaign to dispel witchcraft fears and anxieties should be given priority. All hands must be on deck in stamp out this despicable practice. All levels of government, central state, municipal authorities, traditional chiefs, churches and mosques, pastors and imams, soothsayers, and shrine priests must be involved in raising awareness against witchcraft accusation, witch persecution, and killing. Ghana and other African countries have become a laughing stock around the world because this dark and destructive phenomenon rages in the region and has refused to go away.
The Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AFAW) strongly condemns the brutal murder of this woman in Ghana. AFAW urges the government of Ghana to ensure that all perpetrators are brought to justice. It is painful to see that people gathered and watched as an innocent woman was beaten and set ablaze in this 21st century. Nobody in the area tried to save this woman. Nobody intervened or tried to stop the lynch mob. The local police did nothing. The chiefs in the communities could not stop this violent crime. This incident demonstrates how witchcraft and other related superstitions have poisoned the minds and conscience of the Ghanaian public. Huge dark clouds of unreason and superstition have blinded Ghanaians and other Africans.
This situation must change, and impunity must end. Persons linked to witch persecution and killing must be held responsible and accountable. Apart from punishing those who perpetrated, aided, and abetted the violent murder of this woman, all those saddled with the duty to protect lives and property in the region must be sanctioned. The assemblyman in the district should be suspended. The chief of the community should be de-skinned, and the divisional police officer in the East Gonja should be relieved of his post. A meeting with the Chiefs, police officers, regional/municipal leaders, soothsayers, and shrine priests should be convened to understand the various events that led to the tragic murder of this woman.
The government of Ghana should sign on to AFAW’s decade of activism and put in place various mechanisms to ensure that this horrific incident does not repeat and that witch persecution ends in Ghana before or by 2030.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 24, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/elderly-woman-beaten-and-lynched-for-witchcraft-in-ghana.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 24, 2020
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Words: 535
Keywords: Advocacy for Alleged Witches, Africa, bloodletting, witch, witchcraft.
President Chakwera: End Witch Bloodletting In Malawi[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AfAW), and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030. He is a friend, and boss at AfAW.
The Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AFAW) urges the new president of Malawi, Lazarus Chakwera, to take urgent steps to end the incessant killing of alleged witches in the country. This appeal has become necessary following reported cases of the brutal murder of persons accused of witchcraft in this southern African nation. In recent years, Malawi has become a witch killing field where suspected witches are frequently abducted, attacked, stoned to death or lynched by local mobs. Malawian authorities-including the police and community leaders-have caved into the terror of witch hunters, lynch mobs, and other perpetrators of jungle justice.
The killing of suspected witches is a horrific practice that should not be associated with 21st century Malawi. Witch persecution and killing goes on because the government has not deemed it a priority to end this campaign of violence and bloodshed. The government has not realized that the lives of alleged witches matter.
For instance, an online media platform recently reported that a 41-year-old man had been killed in Rumphi in the Northern region. Accused of causing the death of a relative, this man was assaulted and murdered by the village mob. These killings have been going on for too long and in far too many places across Malawi. There have been cases where alleged witches were stoned or beaten to death by their accusers. There have been incidents where persons accused of witchcraft are abducted and held hostage. Now President Chakwera must say to the entire nation: Enough is enough. Enough of these atrocities, enough of this bloodshed. He must provide the leadership that has been missing in the fight against witch persecution and killing. Chakwera must read the riot act to witch hunters and killers in the country and use his position and powers to end this carnage and mindless violence.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 24, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/president-chakwera-end-witch-bloodletting-in-malawi.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 24, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,581
Keywords: Advocacy for Alleged Witches, COVID-19, witchcraft.
Tackling Witch Persecution Amid COVID-19 Pandemic in Africa[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AfAW), and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030. He is a friend, and boss at AfAW.
The Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AFAW) was launched in January 2020 to eradicate witch persecution and make witch-hunting history in Africa by 2030. To realize this objective, a critical mass of advocates against abuses linked to witchcraft beliefs is needed in all African countries. In this 21st century, Africa is the global hotspot for witchcraft allegation and accounts for most cases witch persecution and killing in the world. Abuses that are related to witchcraft beliefs persist in Africa partly due to lackluster initiatives that African NGOs have put in place in collaboration with their international partners. To end the persecution of alleged witches in Africa, NGOs need to review their strategies and approaches.
AFAW exists to fill the gaps in the advocacy campaign against witch persecution in the region. Unfortunately, the campaign has been dominated and driven by western NGOs who use a patronizing and exoticizing approach in addressing the issue. Like western anthropologists, many western NGOs have refused to call out African witchcraft as superstition or irrational belief. They regard such designations as condescending attributions and disrespectful of African cultural and religious sensibilities. With these positions, these organizations condone what they claim to be combating.
These NGOs have refrained from openly and publicly criticizing the narratives that underlie witchcraft accusations and witch persecutions. And look, make no mistake about it; if witchcraft ideas are not openly questioned, challenged, and criticized, their grip on the minds of witch believers and hunters would not loosen. Abuses that are linked to witchcraft beliefs will not end. So these organizations stage wishy-washy programs and make interventions that paper over the sore of witchcraft imputations and protract the issue of witch persecution. Some of the NGOs are faith organizations, and witch persecution has provided them a facility to further their re-evangelization and re-missionization agenda. So the main goal is no longer eradicating this superstitious phenomenon but replacing this traditional African witch hunting belief with a foreign demon-hunting religion. At the end of the day, these foreign missions are complicating the efforts to eradicate witch persecution in the region.
Given the economic realities in Africa, African NGOs and activists are vulnerable. They depend on these western NGOs and faith groups for financial support. In the quest to secure funding, many African NGOs and activists are compelled to align their programs to the patronizing and sometimes ineffective propositions of western NGOs and other funding agencies on how to ‘eradicate’ witch persecution in Africa. Fortunately, it is not all western NGOs and activists that subscribe to this sterile organizational approach that has yielded no significant change and has left NGOs and activists in the region chasing their tails in the name of ending witch persecution.
AFAW draws attention to these shortcomings in existing approaches and urges more effective measures and interventions based on the ideals of the Enlightenment in tackling abuses linked to witchcraft beliefs in the region.
Misinformation About COVID19
While the outbreak of COVID19 has rattled the African health care system, creating enormous fears, panic, and anxieties, it has emphasized the importance of science-based and fact-based approaches to tackling public health issues. Witch persecution is a public health issue because witchcraft narratives are used to make sense of diseases and illnesses. In line with the UN agencies, AFAW has worked to dispel the scourge of misinformation about COVID19 in the region. As often the case when there are epidemics and pandemics, some people make sense of ailments by attributing them to the occult and magical forces. More so, quacks capitalize on popular ignorance; panic, and anxieties to spread disinformation. Many self-acclaimed healers emerge and try to mislead the public and take advantage of people. They propose questionable healing propositions and peddle bogus therapies and concoctions. Some of these quacks include clerics-pastors and prophets who claim that they could heal COVID19 patients through faith and prayers. They propose to heal in the name of God/Allah or they declare that God or the ancestors could heal through them. Either way, they use the deities and other supernatural entities to legitimize their dubious therapies.
These faith healers usually go unchallenged; they get away with their questionable cure and miracle-claims. But the task of combating misinformation about this pandemic is urgent because COVID19 poses a local public health challenge. In the past months, AFAW has risen to the occasion. AFAW has challenged faith healers who said they could heal or have healed persons with COVID19. By the way these faith healers double as witch hunting pastors and prophets.
In fact, in the early stages of the pandemic, faith healers were quiet and went underground due to restrictions on movement and a ban on social/religious gatherings. However, after a while, these pastors started rearing their faith healing heads again. One of them, pastor Suleman asked the government to allow him into the COVID19 isolation centers so that he and other pastors with healing powers could pray for the patients. He claimed to have healed some people who had the infection. Another pastor, Goodheart Val Aloysius, also known as My Father, My Father, made a similar request. Besides, he was selling a product, some COVID19 Prevention Oil that provides “spiritual immunity to the deadly pandemic” for a hundred dollars.
Whilst Rev Oyedepo of the Living Faith Church declared that 114 church members had received their healing.
Articles and blogs that challenged these healing claims trended on social media for days and weeks. The publications provided opportunities for Nigerians and other persons across the region to discuss and comment on the topic of faith healing. Some followers of these faith healers called, and sent messages raining insults and abuses, cursing and threatening AFAW and the author of the articles.
Destiny Theft and COVID-19 Pandemic
The notion that people’s destinies could be stolen or tied up through occult means is pervasive in various communities. Local pastors, mallams, diviners, and spiritualists valorize these narratives. In rural and urban areas, people use these narratives to make sense of their difficult and challenging living conditions such as the situations occasioned by COVID19. In early May, the photo of an elderly man mobbed in a community in southern Nigeria circulated on social media. People in the community accused him of stealing or withholding the destinies of young persons in the area. He was brought to the village square, beaten and disgraced. All his belongings were looted and the suspected occult accessories burnt and destroyed. Fortunately, the man survived. The community banished him.
Through it network, AFAW was able to locate the man. AFAW supported the relocation of the victim to a safe community and is contributing to the man’s medical care and rehabilitation. At the time of filing this report, AFAW received reports that some members of the community asked the victim to pay a fine of 250, 000 naira (550 dollars) or forfeit his land in the community as a penalty for what he did. AFAW is working with family members to ensure that the man does not suffer further victimization. AFAW is in touch with the traditional ruler of the affected community and plans to initiate a dialogue with youths and community leaders on the issue of stealing destinies, the banishment of suspects, and other superstition related abuses.
Witch burning in Cross River
As AFAW was trying to contain the case of the man accused of stealing the destinies of people in his community, it received reports of a horrifying witch-hunting incident in Cross River state. At least 15 suspected witches were set ablaze in the community. A local politician, Thomas Obi Tawo (also known as General Iron) masterminded the lynching of the alleged witches. The victims included his mother. Tawo claimed that the mother and other relatives were appearing in his dream and threatening to kill him. Family sources said that he had made similar complaints in the past. This time, after consulting a ‘man of God’, he could not take it any longer. On May 19, he brought some witch-finders to the Oku community in Boki local government area. They went from house to house pointing out suspected witches. They threw them into the fire. Three of the victims have died while others are receiving treatment at local hospitals. A police station exists in Boki but the police did not intervene. The matter has been reported to the police at the state headquarters in Calabar but no arrest has been made. The government has yet to extend any support to the victims. Instead, the chief press secretary to the governor issued a statement denying the involvement of any official in the incident. Some have said that the reason why there has been no action on the part of the government or the police is that General Iron is an aide to the governor of Cross River, Ben Ayade.
So pressure must be brought to bear on the police and the state government in Cross River to apprehend Tawo and other suspected perpetrators of this savage act. Nigerian authorities should take urgent steps and bring an end to impunity and witch persecution in the region. AFAW is in touch with some of the victims and their families and has supported the payment of their medical bills. Police authorities in the state have been urged to investigate the incident and ensure that the perpetrators are brought to justice.
Faith Clinics in Zambia
The vision of AFAW is to end witch persecution in Africa. Although limited funding and ban on international travels have impacted programs and activities outside Nigeria, AFAW has been actively campaigning in other African countries. In May, AFAW wrote a letter commending the police and the mayor of Ndola for arresting a local pastor, James Nwale, also known as Yakobo Yakobo. AFAW called the police in Lusaka and in Ndola urging them to take measures against other faith clinics in the country. James was using his church, Restoration Apostolic Pentecostal Church International, as a faith clinic. The police raided the church and found sick members living side by side with domestic animals. Witch persecution happens due to a lack of regulation of health and worship centers. Pastors claim to be faith doctors and use their church premises as clinics. Regulatory bodies in various countries have largely turned a blind eye on the illegal activities of these faith doctors such as T B Joshua of Nigeria. This situation must change. Other African countries should borrow a leaf from the police in Zambia and tackle pastors who use their premises as faith hospitals.
Holding Alleged Witches Hostage in Malawi
AFAW has also urged police authorities in Malawi to arrest and prosecute a local witch hunter, Berna, who is reportedly holding 30 alleged witches hostage in her compound in northern Malawi. One of Malawi’s newspapers, The Nation covered this story in May. The police promised to investigate the incident. According to local sources, people who suspect witchcraft or those who claim to be bewitched invite Berna to identify, exorcize, and cleanse their communities of occult forces. Berna’s witch cleansing exercise involves beating, abduction, and fining of suspected witches. Alleged witches who are unable to pay the fines are taken away and detained at the compound of Berna until they can pay up. This practice has been going on for some years, and has led to the detention of 30 alleged witches.
As in the case of Nigeria, local police posts exist in the communities in northern Malawi. But the police have not intervened to stop Berna’s witch-hunting activities. Police officers in the area claimed that they feared a backlash; that the people in the community could overpower and burnt down their posts if they tried to stop witch-finding operations.
Community leaders have advanced the same reason to explain why they condone witch persecution. Persons who suspect witchcraft pressure the leaders to allow witch identifiers into the communities. Thus they get local leaders to allow these occult experts to come and resolve the problem. Police and community leaders need to liaise and find solutions to this pervasive problem. It is the responsibility of the police and other state authorities to protect lives and property. There is a need to put in place mechanisms that provide evidence-based explanations for witchcraft fears and anxieties and help bring an end to these criminal activities and abuses.
Conclusions
While the outbreak of COVID19 has led to increased fear, tension, stress, uncertainty, and other conditions that trigger witchcraft accusations and witch persecution, the pandemic has highlighted the importance of science and facts in providing answers and solutions to human problems. People impute witchcraft due to superstitions, ignorance and misconceptions about the causes of misfortune such as sickness, accidents, and death. They use witchcraft notions and belief in demon possession to make sense of misfortunes.This practice is reinforced by the reluctance and unwillingness of a critical mass of Africans to question and challenge faith healing claims of godmen and women.
As the management of the coronavirus pandemic has illustrated, religious propositions are largely unhelpful in providing answers to human problems. Revealed positions and doctrines complicate efforts to combat abuses that are linked to beliefs in witchcraft and occult harm. But this does not mean that faith-based agencies cannot participate in this critical campaign against witch persecution in Africa. Witch persecution is a faith-driven phenomenon. Faith-based institutions must come on board or be brought on board the campaign to dispel this dark and destructive phenomenon. While religious and faith-based communities could partner in supporting and rehabilitating victims of witch persecution, efforts must be made to ensure that their programs and interventions are guided by science, not superstitions, reason not revealed texts, and based on facts, not fiction, critical thinking not dogma. In situations where these assurances are made and confirmed, partnerships should be forged but in cases where these operational principles cannot be guaranteed, or where there is no clear commitment to using science and evidence-based knowledge to address the problem, ties should be severed or not forged. It is only a robust campaign against witchcraft allegations and witch persecution that is guided by science, reason, critical thinking, and facts that will help in the realization of a witch-hunting free Africa by 2030.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 24, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/tackling-witch-persecution-amid-covid19-pandemic-in-africa.
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Author: Mykael Udy
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 24, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 876
Keywords: Adam, Bible, Mykael Udy, mythology.
#BibleMyths101: Finding a Girlfriend for Adam[1],[2]
Mykael Udy is a Nigerian writer. He is passionate about writing. He desired to see more Africans walk away from religion. Udy likes to write on mythology, where the Bible stories were plagiarized. He uses humour as a form of education.
In Genesis 2, ‘God’ supposedly makes Adam, but doesn’t make a ‘helpmeet’ for him. Did the Almighty forget to do so? Did the thought skip his Omniscient mind? How come ‘God’ suddenly realized that “It is not good that the man should be alone. I will make him an helpmeet for him”? I mean, you’re the Almighty and Omniscient ‘God’! Surely, you should have known beforehand that Adam would be lonely! Well, I guess he just took his time. He had quite a lot of it.
Well, God finally decides to make a helpmeet for Adam. But did he make Eve immediately? Nah!
What did he do?
He made the beasts and the birds, and wait for this: (**Drumroll**) tried to get Adam to take one of them for “a helpmeet”! Isn’t that amazing? ‘God’ made the animals first and then lined them up to strut past Adam.
Yep! The best way to find a chic for Adam was to arrange a beauty pageant, so the animals in all their beauty and gorgeousness would strut past Adam and try to tickle his fancy.
Unfortunately, it seems that Adam saw nothing that struck his fancy. The fairest ape, the sexiest Chimpanzee; the loveliest Ostrich, the majestic Eagle, the royal Lionness, the most fascinating Gorilla, the bootylicious Hippo, the Giraffe with sexy, long legs – and of course, the subtle Serpent – they all failed to touch Adam’s poor, lonely heart not to talk of arousing his well-designed penis.
Renowned Bible Commentators have attested to the fact that the reason behind the pageantry was the not-so-coded operation #FindingGirlfriendForAdam.
Dr. Adam Clarke says:–”God caused the animals to pass before Adam to show him that no creature yet formed could make him a suitable companion; that Adam was convinced that none of these animals.”
Dr. Thomas Scott also says that after “…this review of the animals, not one was found in outward form his counterpart, nor one suited to engage his affections…”
Dr. Matthew Henry admits that “God brought all the animals together to see if there was a suitable match for Adam in any of the numerous families of the inferior creatures, but there was none. They were all looked over, but Adam could not be matched among them all.”
Wonderful scholars! I must say.
Back to our story, please. Seeing he had failed woefully in his attempt at matchmaking Adam, the Almighty and Omniscient God (who surely should have known beforehand that none of the animals would catch Adam’s fancy) pathetically cried out: “…but for Adam there was not found a helpmeet for him.”
Awww! Heartbreaking!
Not to worry though! Yahweh, of course, always has a solution (to the problem which he made by himself in the first place). Was he going to create this girlfriend out of the same ‘nothing’ from which he made the universe? Or was he going to form her from the same dust Adam was made from? Nah! Let’s do something else. Stories have to be exciting. So he made Adam fall into a deep sleep, surgically removed one of Adam’s ribs and miraculously stitched up his skin.
Angel Gabriel hollered: “Yo Yahweh! What the heck? Why go through such a long, hectic, dangerous procedure? Why didn’t you simply say “Rib appear” or “Let there be Girlfriend”?
Yahweh turns around and gives Angel Gabriel ‘the look.’ He disappears. ‘God’ goes ahead to miraculously make a woman from the single rib, and brought her to Adam. Imagine the ‘Supreme Ruler of the Universe with a bone in his hands, trying to make up his mind whether to make a Blonde or Brunette.
Well, as I was saying, Adam finally had a girlfriend made from his ribs. Immediately God presented her to him, Adam fell in love. After a mini wedding ceremony, they lived happily ever after in the Garden of Eden – at least until the serpent who was one of the spurned animals got jealous. I guess hell really has no fury like that of a serpent scorned.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Nigerian Writer.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 24, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/biblemyths101-finding-a-girlfriend-for-adam.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 24, 2020
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Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 516
Keywords: economy, Humanist Society of Zimbabwe, Takudzwa Mazwienduna, Zimbabwe.
Ask Takudzwa 3 – Ally-Ally Toxin-Free[1],[2]
Takudzwa Mazwienduna is the informal leader of Zimbabwean Secular Alliance and a Member of the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe. This educational series will explore secularism in Zimbabwe from an organizational perspective, and more. He is a friend (and former boss at the now-defunct Cornelius Press in South Africa).
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: How can allies provide appropriate levels of support given the context of Zimbabwe?
Takudzwa Mazwienduna: Attempts to register the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe have been sabotaged by the country’s economy. Members had contributed money to raise the required amount on a mobile money service called Ecocash only for it to lose value with the government’s announcement of an improvised pseudo currency, robbing many Zimbabweans of any real money they had in banks or Ecocash. $900 lost its value to $100 overnight following the cash crisis. The Humanist Society of Zimbabwe could use a great deal of help in registering the organization and establishing it as a legitimate member of the country’s civil society.
Jacobsen: What are the ways in which allies can help too much or simply help in ways that are detrimental to the health and wellness of the secular community in Zimbabwe?
Mazwienduna: I doubt that any assistance from allies would be detrimental to the Zimbabwean secular society. We are the least nationalist people in our country and relate more to the global community. If anything, associating with international allies will unfold numerous opportunities for cooperation and a wider base to advance humanist and secular causes. It will help us to get Zimbabwe on the same page with the progressive discourse.
Jacobsen: What is the most important tactic and strategy for building the secular community?
Mazwienduna: Human interaction has proven to be the best strategy for establishing a secular community. Our social groups have been growing non-stop since 2015 and the more we get to know people, the better we relate to them. We have grown into a huge family with a lot of potential and talent.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Takudzwa.
Mazwienduna: It has been a pleasure Scott, thank you.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 24, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ask-takudzwa-3-ally-ally-toxin-free.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
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Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,212
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Rick Rosner and I conduct a conversational series entitled Ask A Genius on a variety of subjects through In-Sight Publishing on the personal and professional website for Rick. This series with Christian and Justin builds on this idea. Justin Duplantis is going for his doctorate in gifted education. Christian Sorensen is an expert in philosophy. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population. This amounts to a joint interview or conversation with Christian Sorensen, Justin Duplantis, and myself.
Keywords: children, Christian Sorensen, high-IQ, IQ, Justin Duplantis, parenting.
Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Justin Duplantis on High-IQ Children, Being Parents, High-IQ Societies, General Intelligence Testing, and Community (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Justin, we’ve been doing a series about yourself, as a member of a solid high-IQ society with highly stringent, mainstream standards with a reasonably high cut-off to be a serious contender in bringing in people with a qualitative difference in thought rather than simply more clear and reasoned thought alone at 1-sigma or 2-sigma above the norm. Christian, we’ve been covering everything under the sun and, in fact, probably breaking some new ground in discussions on the wide range of topics if I may be permitted to say so. The goal in this educational series is to cover high-IQ societies in their communal standing and then the aspects of high-IQ children. Let’s start on a personal note, you’re both parents. How have you dealt with the parenting parts of life for yourselves insofar as you’ve experienced them?
Christian Sorensen: Being self-conscious at all times, so as not to repeat the mistakes that my parents made with me, although paradoxically they did not do so with my siblings. There is a phrase, that my mother had said to me in my young adulthood, remembering my childhood, and that puzzles me, because I couldn’t figure out that this may have happened to her. When I was child, she often felt fear, due to my excessive intelligence, and regarding to which she also perceived herself paralyzed as mother, since actually did not knew how to respond or treat me. Carried out to a more generalized plan, I consciously have tried, that this feeling would never invade my parental function. I thought that was the first step from which I had to start as father, even though I was aware that no one is born knowing how a good father should be. Therefore, I was always guided by my intuition, common sense, and following the conviction, that I was doing what seemed to me the most correct and beneficial for my daughters, in the sense of trying to make them happy. I believe, that at all times, I applied a sort of double formula, that was to give them all the affection I could, and to try to think and feel at the same time, as a father and as if I were a mother or as if I had to put myself in her place.
Justin Duplantis: I grew up unaware of my own giftedness. I was not tested in my youth and only following undergraduate school was I tested and subsequently discovered I was nearly 6 sigma from the norm. Upon attending the 2018 international gathering of the Triple Nine Society, I spoke with an individual that was involved in gifted youth. She was adamant that my boys were gifted, although she had never met them. I had my, then two and three year old, boys tested. They were both deemed gifted and joined Mensa. I want to provide them the opportunity to engage with their peers, as I was unable to experience that growing up. Additionally, they are thirsty for knowledge, so my wife and I try to quench that thirst daily.
2. Jacobsen: Given the established high heritability of general intelligence (as it is an established psychological construct), and as you both measured highly on tests of general intelligence, the obvious implication comes in the form of children more probable to inherit giftedness from you. Of course, we have a regression to the mean effects on both sides of the Gaussian normal distribution or bell curve. Without going into the psychometry of IQ and giftedness, what are some thoughts and feelings around parenting, and acknowledging the higher likelihood of gifted children of a gifted parent in the union?
Sorensen: This is something that has never been a topic for me, since I have the idea, although it should be empirically verified, that the intelligence comes from the mother, or that it is inherited almost completely from her. In fact at least concerning my case, this hypothesis was fulfilled, since the mother (my ex-wife) of my daughters, unlike my current wife who has an IQ above 130, has a normal-average intelligence, and I guess that for this reason my daughters aren’t gifted.
Duplantis: As referenced previously, this information was presented to myself and shared by a gifted youth expert in 2018. The unknown factor for myself is how the distribution is changed when only one parent is highly gifted. My wife and I are far from peers, in that respect. Although she has never been officially tested, she would probably fall in the average range. Genetics are much more complicated than checking a box if both parents check the same one. I feel strongly that parents know their children, regardless of intelligence level. If the parent feels as though their child is exceptional, they should follow through with that instinct and have them tested. With that said, IQ is not normalized until the child is 7-11 years of age, so if tested prior, the results should be taken with a grain of salt. Additionally, many youth examinations do not accurately measure IQ past a certain sigma, but it will at least give you a rough idea where they stand. My boys, for instance, were three sigma above the norm, when tested at two and three years of age. If it seems purposeful, I will have them tested again after they turn 12.
3. Jacobsen: Did you notice gifted children (your own) require more differentiated and more intense forms of caretaking, or not? In that, the gifted children have been developing more on their own and, therefore, do not require as much concern, care, or general oversight. I am asking more from personal parental experience.
Sorensen: I think that gifted children, need more care and much more personalized attention than other children, since in my opinion these in a certain way, have transversal difficulties with their stability and emotional development, and therefore in some manner it could be said, that they have a disability in this sphere. For this reason, what they first need, is a lot of affection and understanding from their parents, in order that their empathy, leads to feel them close enough. In consequence can be stated, that emotional unconditionality, is one of the main issues, that revolves around concerns of gifted children lives. As a result of the latest, in my opinion, is necessary to keep in mind that happiness, depends on emotional stability, and that the aforementioned is linked to paternal unconditionality, which in turn is the essential basic confidence floor for everything else.
Duplantis: This, I believe, is more child dependent. Although gifted children all share this one characteristic and certainly share certain attributes, they are also individuals that require different needs. For instance, although both of my boys are highly gifted, they are delayed in speech and have required therapy. Delay in certain areas does not necessarily correlate with intelligence, and vice versa. Just because a child learns to speak or walk at an early age does not necessarily mean that child is highly gifted. As for the special challenges that my wife and I face due to our boys being gifted, there are a couple that we express to a nanny, prior to hiring. Our boys want to learn and are incredibly inquisitive. They want to know the proper name for a primate and not be told “it’s a monkey”. They have also, unfortunately, mastered manipulation and sarcasm at a very young age. This can be challenging, as it can be undetectable to the layman. Once one learns to read through the cute to see the underlying deception, they are easier to interact with and bond.
4. Jacobsen: On the level of general discussion and knowledge in the high-IQ community, how is giftedness in children viewed on the level of specialized needs or not?
Sorensen: I think that once the emotional base is stably achieved, two other needs must be constantly met regarding knowledge, and precocity. The former refers to the fact, that their eagerness to inquire and to know, must be answered through quality contents, that should be timely accessible according to their demands. While the second, it’s related to the issue that these children, must be allowed to move freely, and to advance in relation to their own needs, towards what they feel and desire, and not in function to their chronological ages.
Duplantis: It depends upon where you reside. Although not highly advertised, Louisiana is the only state in the nation that categorizes giftedness as a special need. If a child is determined to be gifted they are required to be provided special resources by someone that is licensed in gifted education. If there is nobody that fits that criteria at their school, they are sent somewhere for that specific enrichment. My hopes is to eventually become a lobbyist and have a similar policy in place nationally.
5. Jacobsen: Do you think young boys and girls should enroll in Mensa International, the Triple Nine Society, etc., in order to find some like-gifted community?
Sorensen: Why not.
Duplantis: Although both of my boys qualify to be in TNS, it is an adult only social club. To my knowledge, Mensa is the only high IQ organization that actually have a youth division. As stated previously, both of my boys are members. As for do I think gifted youth should enroll? It depends. I had them admitted in hopes that they would have an opportunity to meet their peers. The area in which someone resides makes a difference. There were no other members, their age, while we lived in the New Orleans area, but after relocation to Dallas, there are over a dozen. I also found it a nice gesture to have them admitted and when they get older they do not have to worry about going through that process. They are already members. Whether they choose to continue to be so, will be their decision.
6. Jacobsen: Are the high-IQ societies more intended for the adult population or not?
Sorensen: Not necessarily, since these societies should be open to all, without exclusions of any kind.
Duplantis: Mensa is certainly for both, but as previously stated, the vast majority of high IQ societies are adult only.
7. Jacobsen: How have the communities of the high-IQ evolved over time for you?
Sorensen: From best to worst.
Duplantis: I have only been in the high IQ society world for a few years, so I am unable to speak to this.
Mensa is certainly for both, but as previously stated, the vast majority of high IQ societies are adult only.
8. Jacobsen: More precisely, what high-IQ societies have you joined – full listing, please? Why those?
Sorensen: In some of these Societies I am honorary member.
Isis, Profundus, Magnus, Icon, Elite, Callidus, Thinkiq, Egregius, Sidis, Myriad, Synaptic, Misty Pavillion, Space Time, Supernonova, Grand IQ, Ultima, League of Perfect Scores, Top IQ Scores, World Genius, Atlantiq, Romanian, Gentle, Brain, Spiqr, Hriq, Triple Nine, Dark Pavillion, Secret Society, Hidden Position, American, Canadian, Torr, Leviathan, Odysseus4Gifted, Hall of Sophia, League of Geniuses, Speculation, Core, Star, Indian, Capababilis and Psychic of Intuitives.
Besides Triple Nine and WGD, many of them have invited me for becoming member. Apart from the two formers, I guess that I enrolled in them, perhaps because I have an unfulfilled unconscious desire, for doing a patchwork collection, with the nice designs of their certificates, or with the fashionable labels, that they hold in their names.
Duplantis: Oh goodness. I went on a mad tear at first. I am a member of:
Triple Nine Society
Mensa
Elite High IQ Society
Profundus High IQ Society
I am also a former member of ISPE. I am certain that I am forgetting some, but that is what I can think of, at the moment. At first I joined because, why not. I now am only involved in TNS and Mensa because they are more of social clubs. They provide the greatest opportunity to meet and interact with other members. That is what I seek. I jokingly refer to TNS as my support group.
9. Jacobsen: Why should societies simply use mainstream tests with the highest sigma reach as the most reliable metrics to measure general intelligence rather than alternative intelligence tests?
Sorensen: Because these are the tests applied by professionals, and are the only ones scientifically endorsed. Therefore, they are universally recognized, and their results are indisputable, although they may have a certain limitation to discriminate excessively high scores, in case that these exceed the ceiling of their scales. Nevertheless the aforementioned can be remedied, and in consequence equally reliable results are possible to be achieved, through extrapolations by applying correct mathematical formulas.
Duplantis: Just with youth testing, not all tests are able to get a clear view of the precise place on the curve in which someone falls. Seeing as how my interest primarily falls in the category of socialization, I would much prefer to be a member of an organization that has members that are closest to my sigma. This will allow for greater relatability. Mensa is a mixed bag of 2+ sigma, but is weighted heavily in the 2 range. Although I enjoy the youth division, I find myself leaning more towards TNS for my personal connections and interactions.
10. Jacobsen: Do you think the profit motive is an issue with the dozens and dozens of paralyzed, defunct, and active while limited to online, high-IQ societies?
Sorensen: I think it could become an issue.
Duplantis: I am not sure I would necessarily call it an issue. I am aware it is ever present, as I am a member of some of those superficial organizations. Everyone takes their own path and discovers, at some time, which are useful and which are not.
11. Jacobsen: What do you make of some societies simply built around a singular personality, idea, motive, etc., rather than something built more for the public and the community of people at these rarer cognitive levels?
Sorensen: Because I think it represents the stubborn self-centeredness, of some of those who are behind these societies, since they are unable to look at anything other than their belly button, and in consequence they lose sight, of the meaning and purpose, for which these societies should be built.
Duplantis: Variety is important. Although we are a smaller group (the high IQ community) there is room for sects within that have similar characteristics. The example that comes to mind is the Genius Poet Society. I am not a member, as you have to not only have a high IQ, but also be a published poet, which I am not. I am a hockey player and I relate it to different leagues. Although we all play the game, we are separated into skill level. There are some teams that are even further separated into only veterans or a specific nationality (Korean).
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Justin Duplantis is a Member of the Triple Nine Society and the former Editor of its journal entitled Vidya.
Christian Sorensen is a Philosopher that comes from Belgium. What identifies him the most and above all is simplicity, for everything is better with “vanilla flavour.” Perhaps, for this reason, his intellectual passion is criticism and irony, in the sense of trying to reveal what “hides behind the mask,” and give birth to the true. For him, ignorance and knowledge never “cross paths.” What he likes the most in his leisure time, is to go for a walk with his wife.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-duplantis-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Justin Duplantis on High-IQ Children, Being Parents, High-IQ Societies, General Intelligence Testing, and Community (Part One) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-duplantis-one.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 22). Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Justin Duplantis on High-IQ Children, Being Parents, High-IQ Societies, General Intelligence Testing, and Community (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-duplantis-one.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Justin Duplantis on High-IQ Children, Being Parents, High-IQ Societies, General Intelligence Testing, and Community (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-duplantis-one>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Justin Duplantis on High-IQ Children, Being Parents, High-IQ Societies, General Intelligence Testing, and Community (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-duplantis-one.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Justin Duplantis on High-IQ Children, Being Parents, High-IQ Societies, General Intelligence Testing, and Community (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-duplantis-one.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Justin Duplantis on High-IQ Children, Being Parents, High-IQ Societies, General Intelligence Testing, and Community (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-duplantis-one>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Justin Duplantis on High-IQ Children, Being Parents, High-IQ Societies, General Intelligence Testing, and Community (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-duplantis-one.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Justin Duplantis on High-IQ Children, Being Parents, High-IQ Societies, General Intelligence Testing, and Community (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-duplantis-one>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Justin Duplantis on High-IQ Children, Being Parents, High-IQ Societies, General Intelligence Testing, and Community (Part One) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorensen-duplantis-one.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,841
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anthony Sepulveda scored 174 (S.D.15) on Cosmic and is a member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: academic institutions; the academy; the standardization process; ends or colleagues who have had horror stories in relations with the university system; the tenure track system; the academy shifting; the Khan Academy; strengths and weaknesses of the Khan Academy; Khan Academy; the badge ideas; other systems of education; focus on mastery rather than completion for moving onto the next subject matter; Academia; the profoundly gifted seem so out of place and out of sync with much of society; and the profound gifts.
Keywords: Academia, Anthony Sepulveda, high-IQ, Khan Academy, tenure track.
An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Academic Institutions, Khan Academy, and Profound Gifts (Part Four)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When we think of the academic institutions, a whole range of ideas come up. We’ve touched somewhat on this subject matter. I see them as manifesting a variety of positive and negative characteristics. They provide a formalization process for most of the population to certify various levels of acquisition of knowledge. Is this a positive or negative for you?
Anthony Sepulveda (Brown): Overall, it’s positive. Education is a wonderful thing that everyone should pursue as much as they want.
2. Jacobsen: On the other hand, they can provide a rigidity to the search for further knowledge desired by most in the academy. In that, certain paths can get entrenched, which can slow intellectual advancement of the academy. Is this a positive or a negative for you?
Sepulveda (Brown): That is a relatively negative feature. When your goal is to iron out all the wrinkles and create a smooth increase in personal growth, you need to appreciate the impact your actions will inevitably have on the lives of others.
3. Jacobsen: Do you see the standardization process at the cost of radical transformation a worthwhile trade-off in the university system?
Sepulveda (Brown): That would depend on the nature of the radical transformations. Do you have any examples?
4. Jacobsen: Do you have any friends or colleagues who have had horror stories in relations with the university system?
Sepulveda (Brown): Of course, I know several people in college right now who’ve been kind enough to confirm my beliefs before I submit them to you. (Special thanks to Tango and Jess)
5. Jacobsen: What do you think of the tenure track system?
Sepulveda (Brown): I’m not familiar with the exact policies behind it. All I know is that it makes it significantly harder to fire ineffectual teachers. This seems like an unnecessary policy if the goal is to educate rather than to have a career in education.
6. Jacobsen: How is the culture of the academy shifting, in your opinion, e.g., socially, politically, and economically?
Sepulveda (Brown): It seems obvious that education isn’t as valuable as it used to be (both on the micro and macro levels). It seems probable to me that in will be avoided unless it’s necessary or otherwise appealing by most the general population in the future. But I can’t be certain of what will happen to it.
7. Jacobsen: How many points have you earned on the Khan Academy system?
Sepulveda (Brown): Not many, to be honest. I first became aware of it when I was very poor and couldn’t afford regular internet access. I’d have to go to the library to use their resources for an hour and didn’t get very far. Instead, I borrowed and acquired books to pursue my interests at my leisure. I should probably get back into it if I want my opinion on the subject to be valid.
8. Jacobsen: What are some of the strengths and weaknesses of the Khan Academy?
Sepulveda (Brown): The platforms greatest strengths are the freedom to pursue any subject of interest in your own time. It’s biggest weakness is the lack of personalized assistance (tutoring)
9. Jacobsen: What are some of the areas of maintaining the excellence in particular subjects and styles of education for Khan Academy, e.g., Salman was always strong in mathematics and, thus, the mathematics training system is excellent in tests and in videos?
Sepulveda (Brown): That’s true. Math and Science are easily the strongest branches they offer. This is likely due to customer demand, since the average student will have to go through these subjects for most of their academic lives whether they want to or not. Even Arts majors have math requirements.
And there are several other sources one could use to educate themselves in other subjects – Duolingo (Language), Code Academy (Computer Science) and even Youtube can round out just about anyone’s educational needs at your speed.
10. Jacobsen: What do you think of the badge ideas, as if this is Halo or Call of Duty? It seems like a good Jane McGonigal attempt to gamify mathematics and education, which may, in fact, work and draw in more young people, especially young boys who have been struggling with education starting in kindergarten running all the way through graduate school.
Sepulveda (Brown): It’s an interesting idea. But I feel like it’d be a more effective motivator in extracurricular subjects that wouldn’t normally have any appeal. Like when you’re going for the Platinum on a Playstation game, but still have a handful of challenges to achieve that you never would’ve attempted if they weren’t necessary to achieve your goal.
11. Jacobsen: How could other systems of education incorporate the Khan Academy system?
Sepulveda (Brown): I’m not sure. There would have to be several significant changes to allow students the time they need to truly understand their subjects of study. The first idea that comes to mind would be to replace the traditional classroom setup with one where the students are given study material (books, videos, practice tests, etc.) to work on in their own time, schedule tutors to check their progress and assist where needed as needed and then test their knowledge in person once they’ve reached the point where they’re comfortable with the subject. This would completely alleviate the stress that comes with trying to accomplish course work by a specific date and stop all the ineffective teachers from wasting everyone’s time and money. I’ll have to work on this problem some more, this could lead to some very interesting places.
12. Jacobsen: What do you think of its focus on mastery rather than completion for moving onto the next subject matter, so as to prevent a Swiss cheese situation moving forward for the educational path and knowledge frameworks of the young? Everyone needs to review material outside individuals with eidetic memories, who are so extraordinarily rare to make non-review not practical for most people.
Sepulveda (Brown): It’s a great requirement. In more traditional settings, you’re often under a time constraint that forces you to rely heavily on short-term memory without fully understanding a subject.
Studies have shown that in as little as three days after completing a class, the average student completely forgets over 90% of what they studied. So restricting progression until one has achieved mastery would be very effective for the long-term success of those using their program.
13. Jacobsen: What do you hope happens to Academia?
Sepulveda (Brown): I hope that people will stop running it like a business and take the time to use their talents to benefit everyone receptive to them.
14. Jacobsen: How come the profoundly gifted seem so out of place and out of sync with much of society?
Sepulveda (Brown): I can’t speak for others. But during my development there were a few factors that contributed to my isolation – I was very tall for my age which (coupled with my social ineptitude) made me seem intimidating to my peers (recently confirmed by a former classmate) and I’ve always been very vocal towards my professional superiors whenever something doesn’t make sense or seems unfair or invalid. Authority doesn’t mean anything to me unless it’s founded on a logical process that I agree with enough to respect. Any extra demands placed upon me only results in frustration and resentment.
It seems probable that this will be the case for most others as well.
15. Jacobsen: Even with the profound gifts, is this more an argument for the making of adaptation to social circumstances rather than rejecting and becoming lifelong bitter with them? It can happen and can make for unpleasant individual and interpersonal circumstances for individuals.
Sepulveda (Brown): I agree, it takes a lot of patience and openness between everyone involved to get through such problems.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-four; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Academic Institutions, Khan Academy, and Profound Gifts (Part Four) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-four.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 22). An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Academic Institutions, Khan Academy, and Profound Gifts (Part Four). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-four.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Academic Institutions, Khan Academy, and Profound Gifts (Part Four). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-four>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Academic Institutions, Khan Academy, and Profound Gifts (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-four.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Academic Institutions, Khan Academy, and Profound Gifts (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-four.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Academic Institutions, Khan Academy, and Profound Gifts (Part Four)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-four>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Academic Institutions, Khan Academy, and Profound Gifts (Part Four)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-four.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Academic Institutions, Khan Academy, and Profound Gifts (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-four>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Academic Institutions, Khan Academy, and Profound Gifts (Part Four) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-four.
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An Interview with Tim Roberts on Critical Thinking, Scientific Skepticism, and Education (Part Five)
Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,720
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Tim Roberts is the Founder/Administrator of Unsolved Problems. He self-describes in “A Brief and Almost True Biography” as follows: I was definitely born lower-middle class. Britain was (and probably still is) so stratified that one’s status could be easily classified. You were only working class if you lived in Scotland or Wales, or in the north of England, or had a really physical job like dustbin-man. You were only middle class if you lived in the south, had a decent-sized house, probably with a mortgage, and at work you had to use your brain, at least a little. My mother was at the upper end of lower-middle class, my father at the lower. After suffering through the first twenty years of my life because of various deleterious genetically-acquired traits, which resulted in my being very small and very sickly, and a regular visitor to hospitals, I became almost normal in my 20s, and found work in the computer industry. I was never very good, but demand in those days was so high for anyone who knew what a computer was that I turned freelance, specializing in large IBM mainframe operating systems, and could often choose from a range of job opportunities. As far away as possible sounded good, so I went to Australia, where I met my wife, and have lived all the latter half of my life. Being inherently lazy, I discovered academia, and spent 30 years as a lecturer, at three different universities. Whether I actually managed to teach anyone anything is a matter of some debate. The maxim “publish or perish” ruled, so I spent an inordinate amount of time writing crap papers on online education, which required almost no effort. My thoughts, however, were always centred on such pretentious topics as quantum theory and consciousness and the nature of reality. These remain my over-riding interest today, some five years after retirement. I have a reliance on steroids and Shiraz, and possess an IQ the size of a small planet, because I am quite good at solving puzzles of no importance, but I have no useful real-world skills whatsoever. I used to know a few things, but I have forgotten most of them.” He discusses: skepticism, critical thinking, science, crackpots, scientific skepticism, magical thinking, education; science; what makes a crank a crank, a crackpot a crackpot, woo woo, a confidence man a confidence man, and a charlatan a charlatan; scientific skepticism; magical thinking; education; and the main forms of woo.
Keywords: critical thinking, scientific skepticism, scientific thinking, Tim Roberts.
An Interview with Tim Roberts on Critical Thinking, Scientific Skepticism, and Education: Founder/Administrator, Unsolved Problems (Part Five)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
*I assumed “Professor” based on an article. I was wrong. I decided to keep the mistake because the responses and the continual mistake, for the purposes of this interview, adds some personality to the interview, so the humour in a personal error.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: For this next series of questions, I want to talk about skepticism, critical thinking, science, crackpots, scientific skepticism, magical thinking, education, and so on. A wide array of stuff building on some of the prior terse statements. To set us up, here’s a series of softball questions, what is critical thinking?
Tim Roberts: Critical thinking is the set of skills required to distinguish truth from bunkum, and to make wise choices. It is one of the two vital areas currently missing from the primary school curriculum in many western countries (the other is what it means to live in a civilized society).
The first part of critical thinking is thinking logically.
Suppose we know that George is a crow, and that all crows are black. What can we deduce? What if only some crows are black, what can we deduce then? What if George is not a crow, what can we deduce?
Suppose we don’t know whether or not all crows are black. How would we go about finding out?
Suppose someone told us that all dogs were black, or all koalas were black, or all camels were black. How would be go about discovering the truth or falsity of these claims?
How should we go about finding out if the world is round, or flat? All of these are things that can and should be taught to children aged 8 or 9.
Perhaps a year later, when children have acquired a good proficiency in English, around the ages of 9 or 10, they can learn about the meaning of words such as ”rationality”, and “science”, and “evidence”, and “proof”. And also, “causation”, and “correlation”, and the differences between the two.
And later, at the ages of 10 or 11, they can begin to learn about how people and agencies can distort facts, and how to spot when they are doing so. And how to distinguish established facts from mere opinions. And how to view advertisements of various kinds, whether on billboards, or in print media, or online, or on TV. And how to judge the claims made in such advertising.
All of this is easy stuff. That it is not taught as a recognized part of the curriculum in primary schools is an indictment on education systems, for such skills are way, way more important than learning how to multiply two decimal numbers together, or the date when Columbus discovered America, or what the capital of Norway is, or .… well, almost anything, really.
So the second part of critical thinking is applying it so as to maximize advantages over disadvantages, or profits over losses, or return over investment. We all make thousands of decisions each day, from when to get out of bed, to what clothes to wear, to when and where to do the shopping, etc.
Our choices in turn depend on multiple factors, such as habit, and social norms, and peer pressure. The application of critical thinking helps to determine our actions while taking into account all of the factors in play.
It is important to note, however, that critical thinking will not necessarily alter our actions. Some examples may help to illustrate this point.
Several religions dictate strict rules as to clothing, and eating habits, etc. Even those who turn away from their religion find it extremely difficult to break these rules.
But it applies to many other environments too. Take the well-known maxim which many were brought up with, that is, to eat everything on your plate. By adult-hood many people are so conditioned that this they find it a very hard habit to break.
Or the three-second rule – drop some foodstuff on the floor, and it is fine if picked up quickly. No. Once it hits the floor, it is immediately exposed to bacteria. But still, most people abide by this completely nonsensical rule, while at the same time acknowledging that it is indeed completely nonsensical.
2. Jacobsen: What is science?
Roberts: Science is not about test tubes, or Petri dishes, or Bunsen burners, or lab coats.
The word “science” comes from the Latin “scire”, meaning “to know”. That is, science is how we can know facts about the world.
We can know things by pure logic. Upon defining the integers, we can deduce with certainty that 2 times 3 is 6, and that 37 is a prime number.
Pure logic does not help us with the facts about the physical world around us, unfortunately. It does not explain Pluto, or giraffes, or income tax, or morality. Science tells us that we need to observe the real world. We then form hypotheses, or models, about why things are as they are, and how things work. These models are all valueless unless they can be proved or disproved by experiment.
Suppose we hypothesize based on some sightings that all giraffes have long necks. This can be disproved by finding one or more giraffes without long necks. As we observe more and more giraffes, we can gain more confidence in our hypothesis. We can never prove it, however, for tomorrow we may find a giraffe with a short neck.
So predictions play a really important role in science. They must be such that the more outrageous the prediction, the greater needs to be the evidence supporting it.
3. Jacobsen: What makes a crank a crank, a crackpot a crackpot, woo woo, a confidence man a confidence man, and a charlatan a charlatan?
Roberts: There are many advantages to living in a liberal democracy. Unfortunately, there are also some disadvantages, one of which is the encouragement of deception. Not just amongst some individuals, but also organizations, and indeed sometimes whole professions.
With regard to individuals, many could be named.
One of the most prominent and successful was Uri Geller, who was not alone in being a poor magician who became famous and rich by claiming to have supernatural powers.
There are others, more innocent, like the cousins Elsie Wright and Frances Griffiths, who provided photos of fairies living in their back garden.
I have chosen these two for illustration, amongst multiple possible examples, because they both illustrate another point, that otherwise intelligent and learned individuals do not necessarily possess the skill of critical thinking.
Uri Geller’s supposed supernatural abilities were believed and promoted for several years by several renowned scientists.
The photographs of fairies were believed and promoted by no less a figure than Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, best known for being the creator of Sherlock Holmes, perhaps the fictional figure who most personifies logical thinking in the whole history of literature.
Organizations would include many who seek exposure which would otherwise not occur. For example, many who purport beliefs in various conspiracy theories; or those who purport a
belief in a flat earth; or anti-vaxxers; or those who propagate that the Covid-19 virus is spread by the 5G network.
Amongst professions may be quoted not only the clichéd example of used car salesmen, but also politicians, and marketing executives, and even those in the legal profession. For example, defence lawyers who know that their clients are guilty, but yet whose oaths of office demand that they attempt to deceive juries.
There are also many cranks and crackpots, of course, who are distinguished from deliberate deceivers in that they deceive themselves as well. In this class I would include all of those who believe in astrology, and all those who believe in extra-sensory perception, and all those who believe in the literal (as opposed to metaphorical) reality of religious texts.
In a way, cranks and crackpots pose a greater threat than charlatans, since the latter recognize the truth; whereas the former will defend their beliefs to the ultimate extent.
Hence the vital need for members of society to have critical thinking skills, so that they can distinguish between truth and deception. It is extremely unfortunate that a significant percentage of the population of all countries lack these basic skills, to such an extent that western democracies may not survive, at least in their present forms, since democracies depend for their survival upon the ability of individuals to distinguish truth from falsehoods.
4. Jacobsen: Why is scientific skepticism always important?
Roberts: Because this is a basic tenet of critical thinking. There is an old expression that one should always have an open mind, but not so open that one’s brains fall out.
Science has been extremely successful, but all theories should remain open to doubt. The more established the theory, the greater the evidence needed to overturn it. This is absolutely vital. To take the various components of extra sensory perception, such as psychokinesis and telepathy, these would be in violation of several laws of physics, so the evidence for any existence of these phenomena would need to be very strong. Currently not only is there no strong evidence, but in fact there is no credible scientific evidence whatsoever, to support the existence of these phenomena.
5. Jacobsen: What differentiates magical thinking from scientific thinking?
Roberts: I honestly have no idea what magical thinking means, unless it means non-rational thinking. If it is this, it should be completely disregarded, of course.
I have always been amused that those claiming to be in touch with the spirit world get messages from the dead such that they can apparently communicate that their name begins with “J”, for example. Goodness. Why can’t the dead person say something like “My name is Jane Alice Witherspoon, and I died in 2012, and I’d like to speak to my son Frank, please?”. No. Apparently they can only communicate the letter “J”, for some reason…
Or those who claim to predict the future, but never choose the right lottery numbers, because their motives are too pure.
6. Jacobsen: Why is education part of the solution and part of the problem?
Roberts: I don’t accept that a proper education is part of the problem, except by omission from the core curriculum. Education should never be about telling a particular version of the truth. Rather, it should be about teaching people how to think for themselves, and provide them with the ability to support or reject the beliefs that are instilled in them by virtue of being members of particular groups.
7. Jacobsen: In your country, what are the main forms of woo?
Roberts: The same as in any other western country, I think. Belief in the tooth fairy, and Father Christmas, and ghosts, and various nonsenses such as those peddled by believers in things which are obviously false.
8. Jacobsen: In your country, who are the main forces for skeptical, rational, scientific thinking – a form of public activism in the form of scientific education?
Roberts: I think these are mainly led by individuals from various countries around the world, such as the late Martin Gardner, and James Randi, and Penn and Teller, and Richard Dawkins, and Daniel Dennett, and thankfully, hundreds of thousands of others whose names are far less well-known.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder/Administrator, Unsolved Problems.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-five; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Tim Roberts on Critical Thinking, Scientific Skepticism, and Education (Part Five) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-five.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 22). An Interview with Tim Roberts on Critical Thinking, Scientific Skepticism, and Education (Part Five). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-five.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Tim Roberts on Critical Thinking, Scientific Skepticism, and Education (Part Five). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-five>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Tim Roberts on Critical Thinking, Scientific Skepticism, and Education (Part Five).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-five.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Tim Roberts on Critical Thinking, Scientific Skepticism, and Education (Part Five).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-five.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Tim Roberts on Critical Thinking, Scientific Skepticism, and Education (Part Five)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-five>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Tim Roberts on Critical Thinking, Scientific Skepticism, and Education (Part Five)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-five.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Tim Roberts on Critical Thinking, Scientific Skepticism, and Education (Part Five).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-five>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Tim Roberts on Critical Thinking, Scientific Skepticism, and Education (Part Five) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/roberts-five.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,253
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Charles Peden is a Member of the Glia Society He discusses: growing up; an extended self; the family background; experience with peers and schoolmates; the purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence discovered; geniuses; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; some work experiences and educational certifications; the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; some social and political views; the God concept; science; the tests taken and scores earned; the range of the scores; scores earned on alternative intelligence tests; and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: Charles Peden, experiences, genius, Glia Society, high-IQ, Paul Cooijmans.
An Interview with Charles Peden on Background, the Societies, Genius, and Gifts (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Charles Peden: The most memorable anecdote for me was about the town my grandmother was born and raised in called Omemee, North Dakota. That town no longer exists.
2. Jacobsen: Have these stores helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Peden: I think the idea of losing one’s entire home town sticks with me because nostalgia plays such a big role in my life. My grandmother is now gone and with her was a legacy of an entire town and a different period of time. So I do feel a sense of identity that stretches back into the fog of the past and I carry forth a family legacy that stretches into the fog of the future.
3. Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Peden: I was born in the geographical center of North America: Rugby, North Dakota. I grew up in a family that speaks contemporary English (as opposed to the proto-English which is still spoken in the United Kingdom). My mother’s family is Christian and of various European descendancy. I was raised very religious and Catholic, but alone became atheist at 18. I then thought it was obvious that religion was mythological, but was surprised to discover how frighteningly adamant people were about believing in it. I still find that a bit puzzling.
My biological father was of Swedish descent and he grew up speaking Swedish and English. I knew virtually nothing about him until I first met him when I was 26. He is also an atheist. He played no role in my upbringing. If I understand correctly, Sweden seems to be the most atheistic country in the world. This alludes to the possibility of religiosity (or something about it) being inherited.
I apologize in advance if my comments lead to war with the speakers of proto-English. I would hate to discover that people fought and died in order to insist on an unnecessary ‘u’ in the word ‘colour’.
4. Jacobsen: How were the experiences with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Peden: In kindergarten, I would occasionally be beaten up by my neighbourhood friends after school. Going home from school was scary. They weren’t trying to kill me, but at the time it made no sense. I dealt with it by becoming a sort of class clown. This worked until 7th grade when some girls would pick on me and make fun of me. I didn’t understand why they were doing that. So my experience with school was bad. I dropped out at 16, gave it another attempt, then dropped out for the second and last time in the 11th grade.
As a side note–My high school experience is in stark contrast to Rick Rosner’s.
I had two predominant friends in my school years. Both were musicians and played guitar. I am not a musician.
5. Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Peden: Intelligence tests are our crude way of measuring differences in intelligence. I think of them as evolutionarily similar to the level of campfires on the way to developing laser beams. They are important because of the significant potential of intelligence.
6. Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Peden: I’ve always felt above average, but not significantly so. There were two kids about my age on the street that I grew up on who went on to become engineers. They seemed smarter than me (and likely are). There was a kid who lived across the street from me who grew up to become a nuclear physicist. Another kid whose family was friends with my family that grew up and became a brain surgeon. But high intelligence wasn’t discovered until taking high-range I.Q. tests from Paul Cooijmans.
7. Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Peden: I think the problem is with society’s expectations of the intelligent. We expect highly intelligent people to be like Isaac Newton. When it is discovered that highly intelligent people do something like collect streetcar transfer tickets, there is a certain amount of resentment. It’s like seeing someone squander millions of dollars which they inherited.
It’s difficult to understand that abilities of intelligence come packaged within a visceral matrix which might be quite different from our own. So things which are satisfying and rewarding to those with higher intelligence may seem significantly unfamiliar to the experiences of others. In other words, intelligent people can seem alien.
8. Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Peden: From my easiest accessible memory, some of the greatest geniuses in history would include Archimedes, Leonardo da Vinci, Isaac Newton, Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, and Alan Turing. Those are people I consider archetypical geniuses. There are many more, of course.
9. Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Peden: To me, a genius is someone whose high intelligence is leveraged by their high industriousness. A profoundly intelligent person is not necessarily a genius without a high level of industriousness. However, a profoundly intelligent person may have the potential to become a genius in sufficiently motivational circumstances.
Although I have achieved a high enough score to qualify for the Glia Society, I do not have a high level of industriousness and don’t consider myself a genius.
10. Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Peden: I once estimated that I have had over 100 jobs. I’ve lost count since then as that was many jobs ago. I’ve done mostly blue collar, sales, and entry-level work. I once also owned a pet shampoo manufacturing business with my ex-wife.
Although I dropped out of high school, I did go on to get my G.E.D. I also discovered that I loved college, until I went to nursing school. I’ve dropped out of nursing school twice. Nursing is not really a science nor an art. The medical field in general synthesizes science, techniques, and ineffable experience to ply its trade. I found nursing school to be a bit of a paradigm shock similar to what I experienced when going from algebra to calculus.
11. Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Peden: I had a very distorted expectation of intelligence. I thought intelligent people easily did the most intelligent things for a living. It turns out that intelligent people have to deal with visceral motivations just like everyone else. The truth is that even intelligent people can still fail at things and success takes longer than you expect even when you take into account Hofstadter’s Law.
12. Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
Peden: Here are some fun ones:
I think corporations should be slaves to humans, not its masters. Why hold that view? Because corporations came into existence within the successful product of a human ethical framework. The motivation of corporations is simply profits and that is monstrously insufficient guidance for the future of intelligent beings. That’s like putting the animals in charge of the zookeepers.
Additionally, I think that if women do not have a right to have an abortion, then they must be considered maternal slaves in servitude of the fetus. If they DO have the right to an abortion, then women have autonomous accountability and cannot seek compensation for something of which they alone are ultimately responsible.
Of course, society’s solution is to be inconsistent in a way as is convenient for women and which reduces women’s accountability. I disagree with the current state of women’s rights and I would prefer consistency, be it maternal slavery (with rights of compensation) or autonomous accountability (with no rights of compensation).
13. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Peden: I think religiosity seems to be mostly genetic. I no more understand why I am an atheist than I understand why I am a heterosexual.
14. Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Peden: Science is too vast, convoluted, and polluted for any single human to understand. I am forced to largely rely on the credibility of others as are we all.
15. Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Peden: I don’t have the exact information available, but my highest score was on Paul Cooijmans’s Cartoons Of Shock. I think my lowest score was on Paul Cooijmans’s A Paranoiac’s Torture (estimated scores and standard deviations provided in the next question). My memory is not that great. I do remember that I found the COLT – Two-barrelled version and The Alchemist Test to be my favourites although they were neither my highest nor lowest scores.
16. Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Peden: For Paul Cooijmans’s tests I have scored a range from about 127 to a high of 151 with a standard deviation of 15. For tests from other sources, I have scored around the 130s and 140s.
I realize there is a sort of cluster pattern which can be derived from test scores, but I don’t think that is the best way of viewing I.Q. test results.
Imagine someone is an enemy. It’s not their ‘typical’ sticks and stones that one should be most concerned about. It’s their nuclear capability that should be of primary interest.
17. Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Peden: I think the Christian Golden Rule of “treat others as you wish to be treated” is the most sensible. This seems to me to be like Kant’s categorical imperative, but much easier to remember.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Glia Society.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Charles Peden on Background, the Societies, Genius, and Gifts (Part One) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-one.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 22). An Interview with Charles Peden on Background, the Societies, Genius, and Gifts (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-one.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Charles Peden on Background, the Societies, Genius, and Gifts (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-one>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Charles Peden on Background, the Societies, Genius, and Gifts (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-one.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Charles Peden on Background, the Societies, Genius, and Gifts (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-one.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Charles Peden on Background, the Societies, Genius, and Gifts (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-one>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Charles Peden on Background, the Societies, Genius, and Gifts (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-one.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Charles Peden on Background, the Societies, Genius, and Gifts (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-one>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Charles Peden on Background, the Societies, Genius, and Gifts (Part One) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/peden-one.
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An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Community, Discipline, High-IQ, and Societies (Part Two)
Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 4,278
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Arturo Escorza Pedraza scored 154 (S.D.15) on WIT and is a member of the World Genius Directory. He is an MSPE member of the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry. He discusses: community; high-IQ societies; the International Society for Philosophical Inquiry; Mensa International; the World Genius Directory; Paul Cooijmans; Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis; how the gifted can find community; the strengths of the high-IQ communities; the positives and the negatives of a high-IQ society; IQ score; the purposes of high-IQ societies in the early 21st century; ignorance and herd mentality; alternative intelligence tests; alternative intelligence tests that seem the most rigorous at the highest ranges – 4 to 6 sigma; independent test makers; Paul Cooijmans’s tests and Jason Betts’s tests; ways in which the gifted and talented can socialize and find others with similar gifts and interests other than high-IQ societies; good signs of an extraordinarily intelligent mind; how are the gifted and talented treated in Mexican and American societies; the ‘fittest’; North America; Canada; nations’ foundational crimes; left-right battle in the States; things missing in some of the high-IQ societies; how to fill the gaps of what is missing; higher intelligence; deity; some of the most talented people; Cooijmans and Katsioulis; Pletcher, Close, and Hanon; a) humility and b) building character & discipline; non-tangible skills; a positive correlation, not a causation-relationship, between higher intelligence and atheism & liberalism.
Keywords: Arturo Escorza Pedraza, community, discipline, high-IQ, societies.
An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Community, Discipline, High-IQ, and Societies (Part Two)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let’s talk about community. What defines a community?
Arturo Escorza Pedraza: It’s defined by belonging to the same social group, with the same interests or the same problems.
2. Jacobsen: What high-IQ societies seem the most reliable to you?
Pedraza: International Society for Philosophical Inquiry, Mensa, the societies of the World Intelligence Network (WIN) of Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis, especially those that accept people in a higher percentile, World Genius Directory, and the societies of Paul Cooijmans seem to me most reliable.
3. Jacobsen: What stands out about the International Society for Philosophical Inquiry?
Pedraza: It’s the 99.9% oldest society in the world, founded in 1974 and the third-highest IQ, after Mensa and Intertel, and my personal favorite, the one I recommend the most among which I’m a member because it has many aspects that make it different from others.
It offers the opportunity to advance and to become officers and serve in executive or leadership positions where they can benefit ISPE while enriching our own experiences.
There are 8 ranks in ISPE: The first is the one that is acquired when admitted to society, there are 6 more that are accessible through the system of incentives and rewards, which promotes participation in the society, as well as personal achievements, which are also taken into account to advance in rank.
The last rank is designated by ISPE based on someone’s personal achievements and the contributions to ISPE and is voted among all those with the right to vote. This is a democratic society in which we also vote in internal elections.
Also, It promotes the health and longevity of its members.
Another of the most notable aspects of society is the Telicom magazine for members, in which any member can send material to publish, and a professional team of editing and proofreading will make it a reality.
I myself have had the opportunity to publish on several occasions some of my fiction stories, and 3D art that I create (in fact it gave me the opportunity to design the cover of the April-June 2020 volume). If you publish in Telicom, you can have a courtesy printed copy sent to your house, the quality is great and it’s my favorite magazine.
The society has a Ning group as well as a Facebook one for members. I’ve never had to read ad hominem attacks, the participants are highly civilized people from many different corners of the world and from religious and political beliefs.
4. Jacobsen: What stands out about Mensa International?
Pedraza: It is the oldest high IQ society in the world and although its cut-off is lower than that of ISPE, it is the most famous, because some of the most brilliant minds of the 20th century were counted among its members, such as Isaac Asimov, and Buckminster Fuller.
5. Jacobsen: What stands out about the World Genius Directory?
Pedraza: Dr. Jason Betts tries to keep WGD free of cheaters, scrupulously verifying the identity of those who want to belong to the directory, and he’s actively participating.
Another thing I like is the Genius of the Year award: Everyone in the directory can vote for anyone whose achievements and efforts promoting global genius deserve to be the winner. The winner is sent the trophy by mail to their country. Every year there are three awards: Genius of the Year America, Asia, and Europe.
It’s the most important yearly award given among high IQ societies, and that other societies have emulated. Many winners have attracted the spotlight and the attention of international media and that has been a turning point in their lives.
6. Jacobsen: What stands out about the societies of Paul Cooijmans, e.g., the Giga Society, the Glia Society, etc.?
Pedraza: Mr. Paul Cooijmans is a legend among IQ societies. His IQ tests are also legendary, creative, difficult. The quality of his norms is that of a very high standard.
7. Jacobsen: What stands out about the societies of Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis, etc.?
Pedraza: Among the people that I admire the most is Dr. Katsioulis. Such a brilliant mind, of a polymath, that it only happens once in many generations. A magnificent mind that honors his ancestors, the Greek philosophers.
Dr. Katsioulis has made access to IQ societies accessible to many people around the world through online tests, with standards from renowned authors, as well as the well-known standardized test scores.
8. Jacobsen: How can the gifted find community in high-IQ societies?
Pedraza: People who “populate” high-intellect societies are omnigenous, of all types, and with very varied tastes. Science, art, history, religion, hobbies. Many of these societies have specific interest groups.
9. Jacobsen: Do you think this speaks to one of the strengths high-IQ communities in their variety? So, there’s something for many different types of people.
Pedraza: Yes and no, because variety can exist without anything relevant in itself. But at the level of these societies that variety is of another level. I have always liked the phrase: “If you are the smartest in the room, then you are in the wrong room.”
10. Jacobsen: What are the positives and the negatives of a high-IQ society?
Pedraza: There are always two types of people, both in high-intellect societies and elsewhere: humble, kind, respectful people, from whom much can be learned, and presumptuous, narcissistic, aggressive people, from whom one can also learn a lot, but in a different way. In my case, I hate confrontations and bullies.
The positive thing for me is that it has helped my self-esteem, by finding people similar to me, with the same values, respectful of the others’ ideas, who don’t seek to be right by force of screaming ad hominem attacks.
I have managed to express my ideas and publish part of what I write.
The negative, which of course does not overshadow all the positive, has been seeing how many people believe that their arguments are valid only based on the IQ score they have.
11. Jacobsen: Why do they resort to shouting down by the boom box of their IQ score?
Pedraza: A high IQ is not a guarantee of logical thinking. There are many people who make extensive use of logical fallacies to argue.
12. Jacobsen: What seem like the purposes of high-IQ societies in the early 21st century?
Pedraza: This era in which we live, where all the knowledge of humanity is available to anyone with an internet connection, even in the palm of their hand, seems to me more obscurantist than the Middle Ages themselves.
People no longer believe in the truth but on the basis of who says it, regardless of whether their arguments are valid or not, in the same way as one who doesn’t question a holy book as a dogma of faith.
The inquisition still exists, except that before there were some monks in a dark monastery judging you and now there are millions of people who will make your life impossible if your opinion is different from theirs.
In a large number of Western countries, anti-intellectualism is at its peak, and the dumbing down of societies is advancing by leaps and bounds, the belief in pseudo-sciences, in conspiracy theories (and, for example, the reaction of many people around the world before the COVID is a good example).
Ignorance is not harmless, it’s expensive and dangerous. In my country, medical workers, have been lynched and ambulances and hospitals have been destroyed because someone reads on Facebook that the health system was the one infecting people with COVID to steal the synovial fluid from their knees to sell it.
It’s there that high IQ societies should be useful as leaders of opinion, to help stop that process towards obscurantism.
We should be able to inspire others, to think, to create, to doubt every piece of information that falls into our hands, not to think without acting, and fight for freedom of expression.
I dream of the day when countries are governed by philosophers, by people with values and many neurons.
Although, of course, many great intellects in societies prefer mind games and tests only.
13. Jacobsen: Canadian writer Margaret Atwood said, “Stupidity is the same as evil if you judge by the results.” Does this encapsulate much of the current context and the aforementioned sentiment?
Pedraza: So it seems to me. I fear ignorance and herd mentality more than many other things.
14. Jacobsen: What seem like decent alternative intelligence tests for individuals to take now?
Pedraza: I really like the tests by Paul Cooijmans, Jason Betts, and Ronald K. Hoeflin (although all the answers have been disclosed online from the latter’s tests, so that would be the only problem).
15. Jacobsen: Any particular alternative intelligence tests that seem the most rigorous at the highest ranges – 4 to 6 sigma?
Pedraza: Ronald Hoeflin’s Mega, and Titan tests, Paul Cooijman’s Isis, and Nemesis tests. Jason Betts’ Asterix, Mathema, and Zen tests.
16. Jacobsen: What independent test makers seem more serious than others?
Pedraza: Paul Cooijmans, and Jason Betts, for me. I am not saying that there are not others just as serious and scrupulous, it’s just that I have not tried tests of all the creators.
17. Jacobsen: What stand out about Paul Cooijmans’s tests? What stand out about Jason Betts’s tests?
Pedraza: I like them because they are not your typical Sunday newspaper test. They put your crystallized intelligence to work.
18. Jacobsen: Are there other ways in which the gifted and talented can socialize and find others with similar gifts and interests other than high-IQ societies?
Pedraza: For people with good social skills, there is, of course, the street, and their workplace. At many times in my life I have met people who are fantastically smart, but have never taken an IQ test, and don’t even know they exist, but, as I like to say: There are two things that you can’t hide: Cough (especially in this COVID-era), and intelligence.
19. Jacobsen: That’s funny. What are some good signs of an extraordinarily intelligent mind in an ordinary context? They’re brilliant and – literally – only somewhat realize it., because no outside or external source, legitimate referent, validated the hunch.
Pedraza: I can recognize special people when listening to them speak, based on their way of expressing themselves, their tastes, the subjects they master, the way they make things easier for others that would be difficult or impossible.
20. Jacobsen: Now, to Mexico and America, as you have noted some differences, and with a thoughtful admixture of opinions grounded in some historical references, how are the gifted and talented treated in Mexican and American societies?
Pedraza: I have never had the pleasure of living in the United States, but the impression it makes from afar is that intelligence continues to be appreciated in the United States and there are many opportunities for highly intelligent people there. The United States has known how to attract talent from anywhere in the world and that is what keeps it as a world power.
In my country, the situation is sad, because there is a tremendous brain drain. At this time, only criminals and politicians have guaranteed a decent standard of living.
A smart person needs to emigrate so that his talent is valued. There are many cases of underrated Mexican talents in Mexico – opera singers, scientists, inventors, for example – who had to leave behind everything they had to start from scratch. Other countries that welcomed them now benefit from their talent, while Mexico insists on living under the law of the fittest and saying that nothing wrong happens.
21. Jacobsen: By “fittest,” do you mean the ‘fittest,’ i.e., the aforementioned “criminals and politicians”?
Pedraza: It’s correct. The most aggressive or the most corrupt. In Mexico there are two phrases that speak a lot about the country and that are repeated to the point of exhaustion by all kinds of people: “He who doesn’t scam doesn’t progress”, “life is worth nothing”. And that’s how in the last year and a half we’ve had 54 000 killed people because of the violence, not only because of drug trafficking but also because of next door criminals everywhere, plus more than 40 000 people died because of COVID.
22. Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, how might North America become a renewed and better attractant for a) the world’s talent and b) the world’s intellectual industriousness? No doubt, a declining stature and with many flaws, though, many noble aims, causes, and values inhered in the countries.
Pedraza: North America is a continent blessed with everything: Resources, thousands of miles of coastline to trade with the whole world, and above all, it seems to me that there are opportunities for everyone.
The United States and Canada have economic and social stability, based on the rule of law and will continue to attract magnificent talents to their lands (I’d love to live in Canada!), of that I am sure. A phenomenon like that of Elon Musk revolutionizing astronautics and automobiles would be impossible to see in my country or in most countries.
23. Jacobsen: You’re welcome any time. Canada is capacious. Anyone stand out from Canadian high technology or industry?
Pedraza: Thank you! I’m more an artist than anything else.
24. Jacobsen: Do you think nations’ foundational crimes should be answered (for)? If so, how? If not, why not?
Pedraza: As I love to study history, I know that the past cannot be judged on the basis of current morality, which is precisely an evolution that took millennia.
What does seem unacceptable to me is wanting to live the present based on the morality of past centuries.
Yes, they must be answered for. But not symbolically, but in the most practical way possible, avoiding the same mistakes and abuses and creating the conditions to avoid their recurrence.
For example: in Mexico, there was an abuse of ethnic minorities, genocide, centuries ago. The way to respond for this would be to improve the current living conditions of these minorities, instead of building monuments to the deceased indigenous people and asking for forgiveness from those monuments while depriving any living descendants of any human rights.
The same would apply to other countries. It’s useless to change the words, to ban flags, to knock down monuments, without changing the way of thinking of past centuries.
25. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on this (as relevant to the last question’s comments) left-right battle in the States?
Pedraza: History has shown us that unity is strength. The United States is a great country, which should not be divided by ideologies that harm either side. Ideologies that focus on symbols, rather than people. I am a supporter of the just mean.
26. Jacobsen: What do you think is missing in some of the high-IQ societies?
Pedraza: More practical application in the real world.
27. Jacobsen: Any idea as to how this can be done?
Pedraza: The problems that plague the world should be more important than IQ test problems.
Something that would help a lot to make the subject more visible to the world, would be to come out of the dark. Many exceptionally gifted people are afraid to show themselves to the world; many of them could inspire other people to exploit their own talents for their own benefit and that of others.
I like to talk about the parable of the chickens and the eagle.
For some reason, an eagle was born in a chicken yard, and its life was to cluck with them and eat the corn they were given, enduring the daily pecks for being different, until one day it saw another eagle flying, and then understood that it was different and that it could fly high away from that chicken yard.
The example inspires much more than anything else.
28. Jacobsen: Why does higher intelligence tend to correlate positively with liberal leanings and atheism in some preliminary studies in psychology?
Pedraza: A reasonable man (or woman) loves freedom and hates tyranny, and he does not need or want someone to dictate everything in his life.
As the political spectrum approaches extremes, freedoms are reduced, in pursuit of ideologies and symbols, it’s no longer about people.
Likewise, most institutionalized religions prohibit, stigmatize, regulate people’s lives, decide who can enter a temple and who cannot, who deserves heaven and who does not, to whom you can give your heart and to whom you shouldn’t, who is an equal and who does not even deserve to be spoken to, analogously to what a tyrant would command.
Religions sell a hypothetical Creator of the Universe with the same whims and vices as human beings: love, jealousy, anger, revenge.
The last thing that humanity needs are division, confrontation, superstitions, imaginary friends, beliefs without evidence.
Coincidentally, it’s my perception that in the societies of which I am a member I have noticed a large number of people more liberal than on the other side of the political spectrum, although I have also noticed a large number of believers, not only in established and traditional religions but that many of these people perceive a personal deity outside of those religions, based on their own experience.
29. Jacobsen: How do they conceive of this deity?
Pedraza: To some, the path of science does not seem to contradict the existence of a God, but rather brings them closer to that God; for others, he is a God who does not demand sacrifices, nor is he spiteful, but has created everything for the joy and happiness of his highest creations, humans; it does not correspond to the cultural characteristics of any existing god.
30. Jacobsen: Who are some of the most talented people know to you? Why them?
Pedraza: I am fascinated and grateful to be able to draw on the experiences of Mark Siegmund, Anja Jaenicke, Arthur Pletcher, Edward R. Close because, in addition to being exceptionally intelligent and talented people, they have a very big heart. A person who deserves a very special mention is Dr. Angelica Ines Partida Hanon, Mexican, she had to emigrate to Spain where she is a successful scientist with a Ph.D. in Biochemistry, Molecular Biology, and Biomedicine. I consider that she is one of the biggest losses for Mexico ever.
Other people I would like to have contact with are Paul Cooijmans and Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis.
31. Jacobsen: Why Cooijmans and Katsioulis? May I be connected to Pletcher, Close, and Hanon through you, please?
Pedraza: Mr. Cooijmans is a genius and eccentric, he’s also a musician like me, and his music awakens in me other sensations that the music that I usually listen to does not achieve. Dr. Katsioulis is an oncologist, psychiatrist, psychologist, neurologist, nephrologist, philosopher, mathematician, screenplay writer, physicist. The man is out of this world!
I have contact with Mr. Pletcher, and Dr. Edward R. Close (recipient of “The Whiting Memorial Award 2016” together with Dr. Vernon Neppe, by the International Society for Philosophical Inquiry.).
Unfortunately, I have not had contact with Dr. Partida Hanon for many years, but I know her website: dnangelica.com.
32. Jacobsen: To the young, what are some important pieces of advice about a) humility and b) building character & discipline?
Pedraza: On humility, it would be worth looking at the 1990 picture “a Pale Blue Dot” or some graph showing the planetary and stellar scale.
We are nothing, we have no more value than what we give ourselves, nothing intrinsic. We are dust, not stardust, just common dust, nothing more.
Also, there is always someone smarter, or richer, or more attractive, or nicer or more talented.
It makes life a lot easier knowing that material things are to make life more enjoyable and not to live suffering for not having them.
On character and discipline: There are many things that hinder the passage through this life; by tempering character and disciplining yourself there is more opportunity to overcome these difficulties, because, as I said before, I resist the idea that this life has to be of penance, of working for someone else or of suffering dreaming of a reward in another hypothetical life.
33. Jacobsen: What are non-tangible skills needing building more among the gifted and talented young than others because of the ease of some facets of life for them?
Pedraza: Many people in the high-intellect community suffer from impostor syndrome and its various manifestations.
I believed for many years that if something was difficult for me, then I was a fool and it was better to give up. Over the years, I learned to stop hearing external voices, making me doubt myself. I believed for many years that the things I obtained were by some chance of fate because I wasn’t that good as to have obtained them by myself.
I also learned that no matter how smart you are, if you don’t spend time training your talents, you will be like a Bugatti Veyron, but without gas and locked in a garage.
34. Jacobsen: Other than a positive correlation, not a causation-relationship, between higher intelligence and atheism & liberalism. What other personality traits, beliefs, even prejudices or lack thereof, seem to correlate positively (or negatively, or not at all) with high general intelligence?
Pedraza: I have noticed that there is a correlation between IQ and the number of diverse talents that a person has. The most modest intellects are usually monothematic or specialists in a single subject. The most exceptional intellects are usually polymaths. I know several people, members of the societies to which I belong, who have talents at different ends: Painters who publish scientific papers, musicians who play Marin Marais, Vivaldi, Metallica, but also teach physics at a University. Einstein himself played the violin and Leonardo da Vinci invented a musical instrument called the “viola organista”.
I also see in many of the higher intellects the capacity for self-learning, and unfortunately, as a feature of many of them, the impostor syndrome.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-two; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Community, Discipline, High-IQ, and Societies (Part Two) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-two.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 22). An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Community, Discipline, High-IQ, and Societies (Part Two). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-two.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Community, Discipline, High-IQ, and Societies (Part Two). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-two>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Community, Discipline, High-IQ, and Societies (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-two.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Community, Discipline, High-IQ, and Societies (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-two.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Community, Discipline, High-IQ, and Societies (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-two>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Community, Discipline, High-IQ, and Societies (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-two.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Community, Discipline, High-IQ, and Societies (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-two>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Community, Discipline, High-IQ, and Societies (Part Two) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-two.
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Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 21, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 431
Keywords: Christians, constitution, Takudzwa Mazwienduna, Zimbabwe.
Ask Takudzwa 2 – Zimbabwe and Its Discontents, and Supposed Secular Malcontents[1],[2]
Takudzwa Mazwienduna is the informal leader of Zimbabwean Secular Alliance and a Member of the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe. This educational series will explore secularism in Zimbabwe from an organizational perspective, and more. He is a friend (and former boss at the now-defunct Cornelius Press in South Africa).
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: How do you maintain and grow an organization, informally, in the midst of opposition from a dominant religious culture?
Takudzwa Mazwienduna: As Zimbabwean citizens, it is our civic duty to uphold and inquire publicly about the constitution. The Zimbabwean constitution upholds secularism and as long as Christians do not respect this, we will continue inquiring about how they infringe on these positions in our capacity as individual citizens. We are looking to register formally however in order to work with various stakeholders and become effective.
Jacobsen: How have you maintained some internal fortitude in the midst of the work to build a secular community in Zimbabwe through the Zimbabwean Secular Alliance?
Mazwienduna: The secular community has become one big family ever since we established the social media platforms on which we interact. Life long friendships have been forged and we meet up regularly.
Jacobsen: How important are allies in the work to build secularism within Zimbabwe?
Mazwienduna: Allies would make a huge difference considering that the religious establishments we protest against have powerful allies. Our voice as a minority would be magnified and we can make a lot more difference.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Takudzwa.
Mazwienduna: It is always a pleasure Scott.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 21, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ask-takudzwa-2-zimbabwe-and-its-discontents-and-supposed-secular-malcontents.
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Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 19, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 636
Keywords: ex-Muslim, France, history, Islam, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Recent Secular French History[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
There were some issues in the recent history of France. I reached out to Al-Husseini to get a secular perspective on the issue.
Al-Husseini spoke on the fundamentalism as a problem in the headlines. But there is also peripheral, but important, issues around miniskirts. He notes this within the context of the world of social media too.
In the Computer Age, there is, in fact, a problem of bad news making the cut and then travelling through the hotwires of the world faster than other news. The miniskirt moment was one such news item within the French sphere.
Al-Husseini stated, “Every time, you will find something: summer coming soon and so there will be people discussing the issues around the Burkini. You will continue to see these headlines that make it seem like the Dark Ages.”
There are Muslim leaders who would prefer an internal-to-Islam, doctrines and practices, change or reformation. Al-Husseini views this as a problem. In that, many Muslims simply may not want the change. Some individual Muslims would simply prefer to learn fundamentalist forms of Sharia.
“That is why even in this time it is impossible for reform in Islam. Now, it is like in reform Nazism, in their time when they have the power. Islam has the power, and the religion has connections and money. So, it is impossible. Maybe later they can!” Al-Husseini said.
He talked about the time of a “revolution of light” with the time of the muʿtazilah. He saw this as a wonderful thing for every one of the time. In that, the Quran was simply viewed as a historical document and nothing more than this.
Now, the problem is that the Quran is viewed as a document for every time
and place. But some in the ex-Muslim community can be part of the movement of the reformers.
“We are the reason of making many Muslims use the term moderate because of us because they just do not accept to kill us! We know more from the inside. Most of us know the Quran through its original language in Arabic, which is the strongest translation of the Quran!” Al Husseini exclaimed, “And we know the ways of them and will never be in these traps and we showed and explained this, we can be part of a united Muslim from who really want to help against the fundamentalists.”
It was this note of a move to modernity and a modern interpretation of a faith within a naturalistic and moderated framework that can be the basis for the work of some Muslims and some ex-Muslims working together.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 19, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/recent-secular-french-history.
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Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 18, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,255
Keywords: Humanism, Takudzwa Mazwienduna, Zimbabwe.
Ask Takudzwa 1 – Zimbabwean Secular Alliance[1],[2]
Takudzwa Mazwienduna is the informal leader of Zimbabwean Secular Alliance and a Member of the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe. This educational series will explore secularism in Zimbabwe from an organizational perspective, and more. He is a friend (and former boss at the now-defunct Cornelius Press in South Africa).
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What was early life like for you, e.g., geography, culture, language, religion or lack thereof, education, and family structure and dynamics?
Takudzwa Mazwienduna: I was born in Mutare; the Zimbabwean city that borders Mozambique, to a Catholic family. I grew up as the only child to David Mazwienduna and Abigail Kamundimu Mazwienduna, thanks to Catholic school, I was just as devout as my mother.
I did my primary education in Mutare and Kwekwe respectively before going to Catholic boarding school at Marist Brothers Nyanga Boys High School. I fell in love with the school library during this period and I developed an appetite for knowledge.
There were pressures from my family to take up a scientific career like my father who was a Chemist, but I loved writing and dreamt of being a journalist. I went on to study Literature, Divinity, and History at Advanced level in High School and this was the first time I read the Bible as a practical book to study leading to my doubts about my faith.
Journalism is not a rewarding profession in Zimbabwe, so my parents persuaded me to do something else other than that after high school. I went on to study Development Studies at Midlands State University and worked for the International Institute for Development Facilitation as an intern.
I got to meet chiefs and rural communities in Zimbabwe during Work Related Learning in the course of this degree and was horrified by the religious witch-hunting practices that were common. This lack of morality evident in most religious doctrines led me to question and eventually lose my religion.
Jacobsen: What levels of formal education have been part of life for you? How have you informally self-educated?
Mazwienduna: I graduated with an honours degree in Development Studies from Midlands State University in 2016. I love reading and learning new ideas and skills, however. I have learnt more on my own than I did in my 17 years of formal education.
Jacobsen: What have been the tasks and responsibilities as an executive of the Zimbabwe Secular Alliance?
Mazwienduna: The Zimbabwean Secular Alliance hasn’t been formal as yet but we have done a lot as a community.
We never appointed tasks to each other but we took turns to represent the secular community on radio, in religious discussions and in decision making bodies taking advantage of the various connections and opportunities our members have.
Jacobsen: What are the important social and communal activities of the Zimbabwe Secular Alliance?
Mazwienduna: Some of our members donate blood every year to help reduce the child birth-related deaths in rural Zimbabwe. We have also started community libraries and created platforms on social media to raise civic awareness; something that is not very common in Zimbabwe
Jacobsen: What have been important activist efforts in its history? What have been the successes and failures of these efforts?
Mazwienduna: Zimbabwe doesn’t have a long history of secular activism. We are the first to emerge. This might be because our constitution is secular, the government and society however are not and this gave us the need to.
We have managed to increase awareness about Secularism on national radio and we have managed to get one of our own included on the National Censorship Board. Due to our lack of funding however, we got kicked off national radio on the command of the Christians who sponsored the shows.
Secularism is still a far fetched dream in Zimbabwe and no one cares that the constitution protects it, that kind of shows how low civic awareness is and also explains why the Zimbabwean government gets away with so many atrocities.
Jacobsen: In terms of the ways in which the general public views those working for more secularism in Zimbabwe, how are they viewed? How are the secular and the non-religious as a community treated in Zimbabwe?
Mazwienduna: Secularists are automatically viewed as Satanists or Anti Christs. Most Zimbabwean Atheists are still in the closet because they know for a fact that they will be harassed, humiliated or even disowned by their families.
I, for instance, have grown distant from my own family because of my outspoken secularism. I haven’t seen them for 2 years since I’ve been living in South Africa; a more secular community.
Zimbabwean society also doesn’t tolerate LGBTQ rights (gay people are still sent to jail if discovered) and angry mobs will harass any woman they see wearing a short skirt (a very common occurrence). Zimbabwe is exactly like the 21st-century version of 17th century Salem.
Jacobsen: Who have been the important activists, writers, speakers, and thinkers in the secular movement and community in Zimbabwean history right into the present?
Mazwienduna: There hasn’t been anyone advocating for secularism in Zimbabwe before our community was formed. While there might be Atheists and Agnostics in Zimbabwe, most of them are still in the closet and awareness is very low when it comes to secular issues.
Jacobsen: As we move further into 2019, what are your hopes and fears for secularism in Zimbabwe?
Mazwienduna: We want to have more media presence and we hope a culture of tolerance will build up and that Zimbabweans respect human diversity.
We remain uncertain of the political climate however, the current government doesn’t respect the rule of law and they have committed gross human rights violations in the past 2 years.
The authoritarian government is least likely to support secular concerns; the only language they understand is war and terror.
Jacobsen: How can people become involved through the donation of time, the addition of membership, links to professional and personal networks, giving monetarily, exposure in interviews or writing articles, and so on?
Mazwienduna: We are registering the Humanist Society of Zimbabwe as an organization for the first time. Any contribution of any form will be welcome. You can contact us on the Zimbabwean Atheist Facebook page.
Jacobsen: Any final feelings or thoughts based on the conversation today?
Mazwienduna: For secularism to be attainable in most African societies, there is a need for civic awareness to be raised in communities so that the rule of law gets backing from the people and become established.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Takudzwa.
Mazwienduna: It is my pleasure, Scott. Thank you.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 18, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ask-takudzwa-1-zimbabwean-secular-alliance.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
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Title: African Freethinker
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Keywords: atheist, Bala, insulting, Leo Igwe, Prophet Mohammed.
Police Detain Atheist 40 Days for Insulting Prophet Mohammed[1],[2]
Dr. Leo Igwe is the Founder of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, the Founder & CEO of Advocacy for Alleged Witches, and the Convener of the Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030. He is a friend.
Our attention has been drawn to a story titled “Police detain atheist 40 days for insulting Prophet Mohammed”, which was carried in the 7 June 2020 edition of the Punch Newspaper. Specifically, we refer to the misrepresentations by Barrister S. S. Umar regarding the arrest and detention of Mubarak Bala, president of the Humanist Association of Nigeria. As the report rightly pointed out, the police arrested Mr. Bala in Kaduna on 28 April 2020 and transferred him to Kano the following day where he has since been held incommunicado. In that report, there was no comment from the offices of the police and the attorney general in Kano. However, S. S. Umar who lodged the petition that led to the arrest and detention Mr. Bala stated that Mr. Bala had been in police custody because courts in Kano were closed due to COVID-19 pandemic and the police could not grant him bail due to security reasons.
These are all fabricated lies by this lawyer to misinform and mislead the public about his mischievous petition and connivance with the police to continue to deny Mr. Bala his human and constitutional rights. Indeed, Mr. Bala has not been formally charged to court, but this is not because courts in Kano had not been sitting due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Courts have been sitting and in the case of Mr. Bala several pre-hearings have been held and the police have refused to produce him in court. Instead, the police have tendered one excuse or the other for failing to produce him in court
The claim that police have refused to grant Bala bail due to security reasons was another treacherous proposition. Petitions have been sent to the police urging them to take Bala’s case out of Kano to a neutral place, but the police ignored all the petitions. In addition, the police have continued to deny Mubarak Bala access to a lawyer. It is unfortunate that Barrister S. S. Umar did not highlight this illegality in his interview and comment on the case.
We wish to have it on record that the Nigeria Police have clearly demonstrated bias in this case, appealing to religious sentiments in utter disregard to Mr. Bala’s fundamental human rights. They have blocked all attempts by the lawyer to visit and meet with Mr. Bala and have systematically frustrated every attempt by Mr. Bala’s wife to see or hear from her husband.
Meanwhile, the police have approached a court and apparently want to prosecute Mr. Bala without legal representation. Nobody is saying that the police should not carry out their duties and responsibilities; but they should do so in accordance and not in spite of the laws and constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.
Mr. Bala’s forced disappearance by the Nigeria Police is emblematic of the decline in the respect of individual human rights under President Muhammadu Buhari. The impunity being exhibited by the Nigeria Police on the matter of Mr. Bala indicates a tacit approval by the Nigerian government and should be strongly condemned by all lovers of human rights and justice.
We once again call on the Nigerian government to release Mr. Bala and allow him to reunite with his family. The Nigeria Police must be held to account for the illegal arrest and detention of Mubarak Bala.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 16, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/police-detain-atheist-40-days-for-insulting-prophet-mohammed.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
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Keywords: Africa, criticism, Leo Igwe, Nigeria, religion.
Imperative of Criticizing of Religion in Africa[1],[2]
Africa has been designated as a deeply religious society. An African scholar, John Mbiti described Africans as notoriously religious. He stated that religion permeated all aspects of African life, thought, and culture. Indeed. polls after polls have pointed to the African continent as the global headquarters of religion and epicenter of global religiosity. The region has more people who profess Christianity and Islam than some traditional Christian and Muslim societies. But African religiosity is predicated on some factors. And one of them is a lack of criticism of religious icons, personalities, and propositions. To be more specific, pervasive religiosity in Africa is due to limited interrogation of Christian and Islamic positions and dogmas. Look, religious criticism takes place in Africa. Incidentally, critics of religion have mainly been Christian and Islamic preachers. These missionizers mainly target traditional religious beliefs. They use their criticism to dissuade Africans and pressure them to discard their traditional beliefs and embrace foreign faith notions and impressions. This process has been going on for centuries. Over the years, these western and Arab religions have succeeded in replacing and substituting African religions. Western Christianity and Arab Islam have eventually become the dominant faiths in Africa. They have driven traditional religious beliefs underground. Christian and Islamic establishments in Africa have succeeded in brainwashing Africans and getting them to internalize the inferiority of African religion, African Gods, and African prophets to western/Arab religions, Gods, and prophets. Look the tragedy is not that religious imperialists have managed to replace Africans Gods with the western Jesus God and the Mohammadan Allah God. The tragedy is that these foreign religions and their African recruits executed a coup, a bloody cultural coup d’etat. They challenged, demonized, and fetishized African Gods. They got rid of the African deities and sometimes, violently killed African God believers. Western Christian and Arab Muslim soldiers took over power and control of the religious field. They enthroned Christian and Islamic kingdoms and made a law that prohibited questioning western Jesus God or Arab Allah. They made it an offense to say anything disrespectful of religion, which meant Christianity and Islam. In the Islamic part of the kingdom, they made it a capital offense to say anything critical or disrespectful of Islam, the Qur’an, and the prophet. It was a capital offense to renounce Islam. With the crimes of apostasy and blasphemy, Islam has held Africa captive. Christianity and Islam have held African minds hostage. Africans have embraced this treachery and have been the executors of this mischief. Christian and Muslim clerics have eventually become the gatekeepers of social norms and morality, justice, law and human rights, education, and information. Christian and Muslim clerics and their theocratic allies have turned to the region’s moral and thought police.
As the attached photo shows, religion, in this case, Christianity has been a device for the exploitation of Africans. Religion creates narratives of fear and anxiety. And clerics turn around to mine these fears for their self-enrichment. The outbreak of COVID19 has led to restrictions in public gatherings including religious meetings. It has seriously impacted the religious business because it has been difficult for many clerics to sustain their ministries and keep the cash flowing into the coffers. Some clerics have been creative and have initiated COVID19 compatible programs. They try to collect their tithes and offerings online. Others have come up with narratives to persuade their members to pay. Religious propositions must be critically examined to understand the underlying intent and motivations. For instance, in this poster, Apostle Suleman said, “If your life is tight, check your tithe”. So, paying tithe would loosen a tight life? How did he know? What is the link between the payment of tithe and life’s challenges? Again he said: “If you are sick, check your seed”. Definitely, this comes across as very shrewd of this pastor because he seems to be implying that those who are sick may not be sowing seeds or enough seeds. He is trying to compel sick people who need money to pay their medical bills to donate money to churches. And then he stated: “If you are suffering, check your offering” Now think about it. Many people are suffering because they are poor and cannot afford the necessities of life. It is callous to nudge such people to offer money to churches. In fact that lines on this poster should read: “If your life is tight, keep your tithe”. “If you are sick, withhold your seed”, “If you are suffering, keep your offering”.
Africans should begin to question aloud religious narratives and the propositions of clerics. In many cases, religious narratives are informed by mischief and the intent to exploit and manipulate gullible folks. Wake up Nigerians wake up. Wake up Africans wake up from your religious notoriety and superstitious slumber.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 16, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/imperative-of-criticizing-of-religion-in-africa.
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Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
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Keywords: Council of Ex-Muslims of France, ex-Muslim, France, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Waleed Al-Husseini on 2019 for the Council of Ex-Muslims of France[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
I started the conversation for this session by asking about the prospects for increased secularization in France, especially as he founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France.
It is important to keep some of these activities in mind as secularism is something that not only protects the citizens from religious encroachment but also protects some citizens more who tend to be vulnerable within the context of religious threats, including death threats.
Al-Husseini stated, “Our secularism is dangerous in 2019. We are losing. They were talking about reforming the law of 1905 at this time. I do not agree with doing this now. Because they are doing this bless Muslims and Islamists, and let more Islamic values into society. To be more clear, I am with reforming it to go forward not backward, like what they will do now. I want to keep all religions and religious values out of public life. That is why our fight now should not let this happen. We should stand up against it and show the dangers of this.”
Then I asked about the robustness of the ex-Muslim network in France. Al-Husseini noted the strength of it. That they continue to stand for their secular and areligious values within France.
He wants to point to the dangers of Islamism or political Islam. It has been a bane in the work of the ex-Muslim community, especially as there are open death threats against them. In addition, it can prevent furtherance of secular values within Europe as a whole.
Al-Husseini stated, “… for ex-Muslims we still follow some cases in Arabic countries who face ‘justice’ for blasphemy. In France, we still meet to support each other and to not feel alone in this belief and kind of discussion about the situations in Islamic countries.”
Then I asked about the channels for ex-Muslims to be able to challenge religious fundamentalisms and then find some asylum within nations around the world. He noted that there aren’t really channel and the work of the Council of Ex-Muslims of France can be simply to contact various human rights organizations in order to provide ex-Muslims with their rights.
“We just give the testimony to be acceptable of asylum,” Al-Husseini noted, “That is the maximum that we can do: the testimony for the time being. To fight fundamentalists, it will require more, especially working with other organizations and publishing articles in the name of all of us to face the dangers of Islamism.”
Now, the Council of Ex-Muslims of France and others reach out to the media to change the thinking of more people, in order to understand the threat with greater clarity. I asked about some of the prominent anti-ex-Muslim figureheads in France and things being done about them.
“The most anti-ex-Muslim groups in France are these Islamist organizations who just attack us. It is an injustice all the time. They try to make us stop talking. There a lot of these types of organizations. Also, we do not forget the Far Left who attack us in the name of racism: imagine that,” Al-Husseini stated.
But he also pointed to the serious danger of, literally, ordinary Muslims attacking them because they are ex-Muslims. He noted the complex nature of the situation there.
Then I asked what the government is doing, the work to protect a vulnerable minority within a minority, or ex-Muslims. Al-Husseini stared that the situation is complicated and, in fact, is limited, especially with the recent events around yellow jackets and other, as the government simply has a lot on its hands now (the Government of France).
He concluded, “The government has a lot of things on their hands, but they can arrest the individuals who call for killing us and killing others like us. However, you can see how things are complicated even with terrorists’ attacks.”
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/waleed-al-husseini-on-2019-for-the-council-of-ex-muslims-of-france.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
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Individual Publication Date: July 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
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Abstract
Rick Rosner and I conduct a conversational series entitled Ask A Genius on a variety of subjects through In-Sight Publishing on the personal and professional website for Rick. This series with Erik and Christian build in this idea. Erik Haereid earned a score at 185, on the N-VRA80. He is an expert in Actuarial Sciences. Christian Sorensen earned a score at 185+, i.e., at least 186, on the WAIS-R. He is an expert in philosophy. Both scores on a standard deviation of 15. A sigma of ~5.67 for Erik – a general intelligence rarity of 1 in 136,975,305 – and a sigma of ~5.67+ for Christian – a general intelligence rarity of more than 1 in 136,975,305, at least 1 in 202,496,482. Neither splitting hairs nor a competition here; we agreed to a discussion, hopefully, for the edification of the audience here. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population. This amounts to a joint interview or conversation with Christian Sorensen, Erik Haereid, and myself.
Keywords: Christian Sorensen, Erik Haereid, language, paradox, philosophy, reality.
Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Paradox, Thinking About the World, Substantive Reality Statements, and Other Options (Part Two)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Okay, so, we’ve covered some of the more foundational concepts for philosophy setting forth some of the foundations for the ideas in a lot of other fields of interest and research, etc. I want to focus more on paradox here. Are there others forms of -dox given a different prefix than para- providing a novel or, at least intriguing notion of the logically surface inexplicable or apparently nonsensical while containing some deeper truth about the nature of reality? Christian, you focused on “deep meaning and the effect it causes are logical”; Erik, you honed in on the ‘perceptually unexplained…logical self-contradiction’ that invites further critical examination. Also on this idea of paradox, is this a unified sense of inviting further critical examination to come to the deeper logical consistency and meaning?
Christian Sorensen: On purpose of the idea of paradox, I think that within syllogistically thinking, although it is possible to make a distinction between logical validity and truth, an imprecision regarding the latter, appears evidently when it’s understood as an indicator of internal consistency, within propositional reasoning. In turn, if the truth is associated to the consistence of its meaning, then I will conclude that what occurs, is what I am going to denominate as a linguistic break. Meaning in relation to reasoning, in my opinion, necessarily refers to the language and to its structure, and therefore, to an intrinsic and invariable fact, which I will name as the barrier of meaning, since internally splits the symbolic character of language, by not allowing the existence of any communication within the symbol as such, nor between the symbols among them, when they make up a linguistic chain. Consequently along the reasoning process, if it is not possible strictly speaking, to find out any sort of unity of meaning, which necessarily leads to a degree of inconsistency, then it would not be plausible to relate logic with truth, in no sense and regardless of the matter of the judgment.
Erik Haereid: Orthodox, maybe, in the sense that one is a true believer (It’s not novel, though). Paradoxes are true beyond its rational discrepancy. It’s based on intuition, feelings, multiple meanings, semantics. One could maybe say that an orthodox is sure about what he or she believes in, although the belief is irrational; not yet proven rationally. God may exist, but the only way to know is through irrational channels, like emotional divine experiences. So, rationally we don’t know. Maybe God exists. Irrationally many knows that God exists. You could replace “God” by any unproved phenomena.
To your other question: This must be linked to our continuous search for truth, i.e. the search for a logical reality. This is our mind map. We project sensory experiences and categorize it based on different patterns and our reason, and all this reveals itself as what we know as “thoughts”. But the mind is only a projection; our map of reality. Our goal is to improve this map, as in an eternal and continuous process. This process will never end as a mind map, and this is my assumption, because it will never be able to contain the power of definition; what started it all. Since the mind map is rational per se, it will not be able to imagine an irrational beginning (for example, that we do not grasp black holes in the Universe; it literally becomes a mental black hole). And since the beginning is necessarily irrational (my assumption), we will never be able to understand everything in the sense that we can imagine it. A possible and logical explanation for an imaginary end is thus that our (common, collective) consciousness culminates towards zero as we approach a rational explanation of everything; to understand everything is the same as to understand nothing. Sense is thus only a journey, a tool, as part of a wider and different sense; beyond. The more we understand the less we need to be conscious, since consciousness is an aid to understand and not a goal in itself (my premise). What is then the point with human rationality? We don’t know. It’s inside the black hole; the well of irrationality including unrevealed rationality. Evolving is a drive, and paradoxes are among the motivating phenomena.
In this sense, we cannot understand everything until we understand nothing. And this is in itself a paradox.
In this light, we can regard paradoxes as small hints about our common final outcome, and thus about what we are able to understand and not; a kind of “god’s” hints. And perhaps this is the answer, and so that the exploration of paradoxes must be about the boundary cases between the rational and the irrational, on the boundary between before and just after the beginning, and before and just after the end. We will never be able to understand paradoxes as anything else than just this, and thus they create a profound respect, not for what we do not know, but for what we can never know.
Jacobsen: On the possible and the impossible, in a binary or Aristotelian system of thinking, the idea of that which can exist and that which cannot exist become the only two states, while in more pluralistic logics the gradations of existence mean degrees of certainty in terms of existence with existence and non-existence or the possible and the impossible as degrees of the possible and degrees of the impossible or an interpretive sense, i.e., the possible or the impossible in particular contexts or interpretations of the status of the possible and impossible. What form of thinking – binary or multinary – seems to best reflect the nature of the real world?
Sorensen: I think that the thought that best reflects the nature of the real world, is dialectic, since in my opinion, duality and contraposition are its best represented properties. In this way, binary as counterpart, in terms of being or not being, and of possibility or impossibility, doesn’t captures the fact which regards to the becoming of the real. In other words, that the latest is not completely encrypted, neither in one or the other, but rather in the coexistence of both. Therefore when a certain thing is being, there is something in it, that at the same time is ceasing to be, to the extent that if the former is occurring, due to a condition of possibility, then the latest, will occur graces to a contrary condition, who will prevent its being, by withdrawing part of it.
Haereid: It’s quite obvious that the multinary form of thinking reflects the real world best. But I would say both. Every possible way of establishing rationality in mind is proper. We calculate degrees of certainty all the time, all life, intuitively. Developing these procedures into conscious rational methods, e.g. math, statistics, is a part of being aware of these our internal traits, and enhance them. To calculate possibilities for events and entities are one way of getting closer to a rational experienced truth, like in weather forecast. The mind map is getting better. But this does not exclude the 1/0’s; possible or not. In my view, defining something as impossible is focusing on what we see as possible. We are not able to implement everything at the same time.
Jacobsen: Following from the aforementioned question, would this make existence and non-existence, the potential and the actual, determinate or more indeterminate in terms of statements one can make about them? In that, the world would be statistical, rather than not, in terms of the substantive statements one can make about reality.
Sorensen: Since from my point of view, reality would be intrinsically contradictory and conflicted… The aforementioned could lead to an ultimate consequence, which implies that reality in some way and degree is respectively ungraspable and unreal. Therefore it’s presumable that the real as such, it’s going to be probabilistic but not statistical, since there will always be a part, respecting to its existence, of which in either sense, nothing could be pronounced at all.
Haereid: Reality is what we experience it as; sense, perceive, feel, think. Thoughts are maps, and in a deductive and inductive approach to understand the world rationally, it reduces the gap between thoughts (approximations of reality) and reality using rational tools (like statistics). But this mental creation could be, and probably are, only a small bit of reality. Experiencing something that fits our thought map is not the same as revealing reality as it is. Making qualified assumptions, based on statistics or some other tools, is part of our inborn mental capacity. The world we reveal in the sense of being conscious, is statistical. The world we don’t know yet, or never will get to know, is not statistical. If we think something could happen, calculate a probability between 0 and 1 to measure degrees of possible occurrences, its still just a thought; a map over reality. It could lead us to bits of reality, but not define it. To reveal the deterministic bits of reality, the rational part of it, does not prove that some parts of reality is not irrational or indeterministic. It’s like science and falsification; you can prove rationality or rational truth forever without knowing if there is one black swan among all the white ones. It’s like being imprisoned in a house without windows and never see anything else than what’s inside that house. We are all rational beings, and we live in that house. We assume that there is a world outside, but no one can tell if its rational or irrational, if its deterministic or not.
Jacobsen: Does 1 plus 1 always equal 2? If so, why? If not, why not?
Sorensen: No, since sometimes 1 plus 1 equals 1, if it’s known how to count to 3.
Haereid: I stick with the arithmetic one. 1+1=2 given a set of rules and axioms; annihilation, symmetry and the Peano axiom. It means that you can show it mathematically using some basic principles. For instance, 1 is 0 and one unit, defined “one” or “1”. The next unit is 1 and another unit, and that we define as “2” or “two”. And so on. Through some obvious rules about how numbers behave in an addition (annihilation and symmetry), we gain 1+1=2.
Jacobsen: Any other options than determinism and indeterminism?
Sorensen: Yes, pseudo-indeterminism.
Haereid: What does it mean that everything is predetermined? That someone / something has decided that (my assumption). The formulas must have a beginning. And for them to have a beginning, they must be created by a power of definition. The defining power is necessarily irrational; outside the explicable and predictable. If this can be explained, then it will always have an inexplicable start, no matter where we start the process of understanding it all.
If we claim that “there is no start”, no creator of it all, then this is irrational, and thus beyond our comprehension. For us to be able to understand it all, there must be a start or something beyond (my assumption). But for it to be a start, it must be a start that we cannot fathom. Every comprehensible beginning is always a continuation of something we do not understand.
This explanatory model necessarily consists of both an indeterministic start and a wholly or partly deterministic continuation. All the things we then do not understand can be possible to understand, i.e. deterministic but not yet understood by us, or they can be impossible to understand, i.e. a component of the irrational and indeterministic beginning.
Reality in this mindset becomes a mixture of deterministic and indeterministic as long as we cannot understand it rationally. It is one thing to claim that God exists, quite another to say that you believe in God. The first is wrong because we do not know, the second is right because you know.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Christian Sorensen is a Philosopher that comes from Belgium. What identifies him the most and above all is simplicity, for everything is better with “vanilla flavour.” Perhaps, for this reason, his intellectual passion is criticism and irony, in the sense of trying to reveal what “hides behind the mask,” and give birth to the true. For him, ignorance and knowledge never “cross paths.” What he likes the most in his leisure time, is to go for a walk with his wife.
Erik Haereid has been a member of Mensa since 2013, and is among the top scorers on several of the most credible IQ-tests in the unstandardized HRT-environment. He is listed in the World Genius Directory. He is also a member of several other high IQ Societies.
Erik, born in 1963, grew up in Oslo, Norway, in a middle class home at Grefsen nearby the forest, and started early running and cross country skiing. After finishing schools he studied mathematics, statistics and actuarial science at the University of Oslo. One of his first glimpses of math-skills appeared after he got a perfect score as the only student on a five hour math exam in high school.
He did his military duty in His Majesty The King’s Guard (Drilltroppen)).
Impatient as he is, he couldn’t sit still and only studying, so among many things he worked as a freelance journalist in a small news agency. In that period, he did some environmental volunteerism with Norges Naturvernforbund (Norwegian Society for the Conservation of Nature), where he was an activist, freelance journalist and arranged ‘Sykkeldagen i Oslo’ twice (1989 and 1990) as well as environmental issues lectures. He also wrote some crime short stories in A-Magasinet (Aftenposten (one of the main newspapers in Norway), the same paper where he earned his runner up (second place) in a nationwide writing contest in 1985. He also wrote several articles in different newspapers, magazines and so on in the 1980s and early 1990s.
He earned an M.Sc. degree in Statistics and Actuarial Sciences in 1991, and worked as an actuary novice/actuary from 1987 to 1995 in several Norwegian Insurance companies. He was the Academic Director (1998-2000) of insurance at the BI Norwegian Business School (1998-2000), Manager (1997-1998) of business insurance, life insurance, and pensions and formerly Actuary (1996-1997) at Nordea in Oslo Area, Norway, a self-employed Actuary Consultant (1996-1997), an Insurance Broker (1995-1996) at Assurance Centeret, Actuary (1991-1995) at Alfa Livsforsikring, novice Actuary (1987-1990) at UNI Forsikring.
In 1989 he worked in a project in Dallas with a Texas computer company for a month incorporating a Norwegian pension product into a data system. Erik is specialized in life insurance and pensions, both private and business insurances. From 1991 to 1995 he was a main part of developing new life insurance saving products adapted to bank business (Sparebanken NOR), and he developed the mathematics behind the premiums and premium reserves.
He has industry experience in accounting, insurance, and insurance as a broker. He writes in his IQ-blog the online newspaper Nettavisen. He has personal interests among other things in history, philosophy and social psychology.
In 1995, he moved to Aalborg in Denmark because of a Danish girl he met. He worked as an insurance broker for one year, and took advantage of this experience later when he developed his own consultant company.
In Aalborg, he taught himself some programming (Visual Basic), and developed an insurance calculation software program which he sold to a Norwegian Insurance Company. After moving to Oslo with his girlfriend, he was hired as consultant by the same company to a project that lasted one year.
After this, he became the Manager of business insurance in the insurance company Norske Liv. At that time he had developed and nurtured his idea of establishing an actuarial consulting company, and he did this after some years on a full-time basis with his actuarial colleague. In the beginning, the company was small. He had to gain money, and worked for almost two years as an Academic Director of insurance at the BI Norwegian Business School.
Then the consultant company started to grow, and he quitted BI and used his full time in NIA (Nordic Insurance Administration). This was in 1998/99, and he has been there since.
NIA provides actuarial consulting services within the pension and life insurance area, especially towards the business market. They was one of the leading actuarial consulting companies in Norway through many years when Defined Benefit Pension Plans were on its peak and companies needed evaluations and calculations concerning their pension schemes and accountings. With the less complex, and cheaper, Defined Contribution Pension Plans entering Norway the last 10-15 years, the need of actuaries is less concerning business pension schemes.
Erik’s book from 2011, Benektelse og Verdighet, contains some thoughts about our superficial, often discriminating societies, where the virtue seems to be egocentrism without thoughts about the whole. Empathy is lacking, and existential division into “us” and “them” is a mental challenge with major consequences. One of the obstacles is when people with power – mind, scientific, money, political, popularity – defend this kind of mind as “necessary” and “survival of the fittest” without understanding that such thoughts make the democracies much more volatile and threatened. When people do not understand the genesis of extreme violence like school killings, suicide or sociopathy, asking “how can this happen?” repeatedly, one can wonder how smart man really is. The responsibility is not limited to let’s say the parents. The responsibility is everyone’s. The day we can survive, mentally, being honest about our lives and existence, we will take huge leaps into the future of mankind.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-two; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Paradox, Thinking About the World, Substantive Reality Statements, and Other Options (Part Two) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-two.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 15). Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Paradox, Thinking About the World, Substantive Reality Statements, and Other Options (Part Two). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-two.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Paradox, Thinking About the World, Substantive Reality Statements, and Other Options (Part Two). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-two>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Paradox, Thinking About the World, Substantive Reality Statements, and Other Options (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-two.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Paradox, Thinking About the World, Substantive Reality Statements, and Other Options (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-two.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Paradox, Thinking About the World, Substantive Reality Statements, and Other Options (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-two>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Paradox, Thinking About the World, Substantive Reality Statements, and Other Options (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-two.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Paradox, Thinking About the World, Substantive Reality Statements, and Other Options (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-two>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Paradox, Thinking About the World, Substantive Reality Statements, and Other Options (Part Two)v [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-two.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 15, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,011
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Byunghyun Ban (반병현) is a 27-year-old South Korean with a Master’s Degree in Bio and Brain Engineering and works as the CTO & CBO of Imagination Garden Inc. with certifications as a Psychological Counselor (first-class) andTrauma Counselor (first-class). He is a member of League of Perfect Scorers (silver), ISI Society, Intertel, and the Glia Society. He can be founded on https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Byunghyun_Ban. His publications in Korean are “코딩하는 공익”, 세창출판사 (2020), “공학자의 지혜묵상”, BOOKK(2020), “실전 민사소송법”, BOOKK(2020), and “법대로 합시다”, 지식과감성(2016). He discusses: background; high-IQ community; socializing; inelligence tests and societies; and hope for the high-IQ communities.
Keywords: Byunghyun Ban, high-IQ, intelligence testing, IQ, South Korea.
An Interview with Byunghyun Ban (반병현) on Background, and Intelligence Testing & High-IQ Societies[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What is the personal and educational story as a gifted person and actualizing some of the talents?
ByungHyun Jeremy Ban: Thanks for giving me a chance to recall my old memories. When I was very young, I already know that I could learn anything quite easier than others.
Korean education system is a competition among all high school students around the nation. My percentile score was around 99.97% so I finally realized my intelligence level at my age 15, quite objectively. I tried my best to develop my ability. I read a lot of books to acquire other people’s experiences and their lessons.
At 17, I entered Gyeongsangbuk-do Science Gifted Education Center with highest score, to learn university-level science education. Those experiences widened my sights. I skipped the last grade curriculum of highschool to enter KAIST, Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology. I got both bachelor’s and master’s degree at KAIST.
I had a lot of experiences related to my talents. Well, I want to summarize my stories in one sentence.
“Absorb as many lessons as possible. Always keep your mind developing.”
2. Jacobsen: How did you become involved in the high-IQ community, whether tests or social associations with other bright people?
Ban: I just sent a copy of my IQ Test Certificate with payment via Paypal. That’s all I needed to be a member of high-IQ community.
3. Jacobsen: What do you consider some of the positives and negatives of becoming a part of the high-IQ communities and finding like-gifted people?
Ban: It has one positive thing. High-IQ communities provide certificates of membership, which looks very cool. I could not find any other positive things. Some societies are just puzzle clubs. If someone is looking for a real network of gifted people, I recommend entering Mensa or Intertel. They holds offline conferences and publishes journals.
4. Jacobsen: What intelligence tests and societies, mainstream and alternative, seem the most reliable to you?
Ban: Actually, I trust Korean SAT (College Scholastic Ability Test) and its mock exam. Their scores are highly standardized among 600,000 candidates. Also I trust WAIS and WISC most. I don’t trust any other IQ tests.
Also I think some High-IQ societies which require statistically meaningless scores are not reliable.
5. Jacobsen: What do you hope the high-IQ communities accomplish as they move into the future?
Ban: I hope High-IQ communities provide some intellectual contributions to the world. For example, I hope the societies to publish an open-access scientific journal which is indexed as SCIE or SCOPUS, and discount the publication fee for community members. This is the most simple way to collect geniuses and contribute intellectual works. PeerJ Group has a similar model. They request the membership fee to the authors. Once become a member of PeerJ group, it’s free to publish additional works without publication fee.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, ByungHyun.
Ban: Thanks you too. It was quite interesting.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, Intertel; Member, Glia Society; Member, ISI- Society; Member, League of Perfect Scorers (Silver).
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ban; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Byunghyun Ban (반병현) on Background, and Intelligence Testing & High-IQ Societies [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ban.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 15). An Interview with Byunghyun Ban (반병현) on Background, and Intelligence Testing & High-IQ Societies. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ban.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Byunghyun Ban (반병현) on Background, and Intelligence Testing & High-IQ Societies. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ban>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Byunghyun Ban (반병현) on Background, and Intelligence Testing & High-IQ Societies.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ban.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Byunghyun Ban (반병현) on Background, and Intelligence Testing & High-IQ Societies.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ban.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Byunghyun Ban (반병현) on Background, and Intelligence Testing & High-IQ Societies‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ban>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Byunghyun Ban (반병현) on Background, and Intelligence Testing & High-IQ Societies‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ban.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Byunghyun Ban (반병현) on Background, and Intelligence Testing & High-IQ Societies.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ban>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Byunghyun Ban (반병현) on Background, and Intelligence Testing & High-IQ Societies [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/ban.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 13, 2020
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Words: 648
Keywords: churches, COVID-19, Leo Igwe, misinformation, Nigeria.
Oyedepo’s Faith healing Claims: Churches and Misinformation About COVID19 In Nigeria[1],[2]
My attention has been drawn to a report in one of the national dailies (The Nation, June 29, 2020) titled, 114 Church Members, Healed of Coronavirus-Says Oyedepo. In this report, Bishop Oyedepo of the Living Faith Church International also known as Winners’ Chapel claimed that over 100 members of his church had been healed of the coronavirus. However, the report contains some discrepancies in the figures. While the headline has 114 members, the body of the text says 10. It is not clear how the reporter came about the other 104 members. The rest of the report was filled with statements where Oyedepo lambasted the Nigerian authorities for closing down churches while allowing the markets to open. My issue is not Oyedepo’s anger over the closure of churches but his faith healing claims.
Whether the number of those healed of COVID19 is 114 or 10 members of the Winners’ Chapel, the claim is still weighty, reckless, and irresponsible. The World Health Organisation has made it clear that there is no cure for the coronavirus. It has outlined measures and guidelines for the reduction of the spread of the disease. Oyedepo’s healing claim goes contrary to the directives and positions of this world’s health body. His faith healing claim is capable of making people throw caution to the wind, indulge in risky behaviors while believing that their faith would heal them if they contract the virus. It is with this in mind that the UN launched an initiative in May to combat misinformation about COVID19. The main objective is to tackle ‘the coronavirus infodemics’ by promoting reliable and science-based information about how people could protect themselves. This faith healing claim by Oyedepo is a piece of misinformation because faith healing is superstition- not a science-based proposition. There is no evidence that anybody could be healed of coronavirus as Oyedepo. Unfortunately, this faith healing report from Winners’ church was not balanced and did not contain any perspective from the NCDC, or the health ministry, or a public health expert. This faith-healing claim has the potential of misleading the public, especially at a time of so much fear, panic, and uncertainty over the spread and cure of COVID19.
One understands the frustration of Bishop Oyedepo and religious entrepreneurs over the closure of churches and other places of worship. The lockdown has adversely affected the religious market. But the way to get the authorities to lift the ban on public gathering in churches is not to spread lies and misinformation about COVID19 as Oyedepo has done. COVID19 constitutes a public health challenge, and church leaders should be mindful of the claims that they make. Media organizations should be diligent enough and ensure that they balance reports of faith healing claims, that is if they must publish them.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 13, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/oyedepos-faith-healing-claims-churches-and-misinformation-about-covid19-in-nigeria.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 13, 2020
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Keywords: criminal, ex-Muslim, France, friends, Islam, threats, torture, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Criticizing Islam, Becoming a ‘Criminal’, Being Tortured, and Leaving Islam[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: How did they torture you in Palestine?
Waleed Al-Husseini: It was many ways. They left me standing most of the day and only slept 2 hours with only one meal of food in the afternoon. Some standing on one leg while I am up on my hands. Sometimes, they left me to stand on small bottles! After it, they made me run to not have marks because of that. Some beatings with electric things. This was 4 months from 10 months; I spent in jail!
Jacobsen: What was the purported crime?
Al-Husseini: Insulting the feeling of Muslims, insulting the gods of religion, and making trouble in the society, it was a military court.
Jacobsen: What did you write about? Why were you such a threat with mere words?
Al-Husseini: I had my blog in Arabic, which was, in the beginning, questioning Islam and discussing the issues in the Quran. Then I start criticizing Islam and Quran and Mohammed’s life and showing that Mohammed was just a man who lived his life in the 7th century like everyone, and showing that the Quran has nothing special in it.
Quran is a product of its time and era. I explained my atheism and why I am an atheist and why I left Islam.
Jacobsen: With the foundation of the Council of Ex-Muslims of France, what is the main value for the members there? How do you build ties with the international ex-Muslim community?
Al-Husseini: Our values are based on humanity, universalism, and laïcité values. We are fighting for the right of non-believers and leaving Islam. We fight for women’s rights; we fight for civil rights!
How we build ties in the conference, such as the one in London, through this, we make people feel not alone. We give them the power to contact us. For me, I am sure there is at least one ex-Muslim in every family!
But they cannot speak in public because of the danger involved in it. I got arrested. Another got killed. Others still live hidden because someone will kill them. Others are waiting for one of these options.
Jacobsen: Is the problem inherent in the doctrine and principles, figures, and ideals of Islam, or in the surrounding culture, or something else, predominantly?
Al-Husseini: The problem is Islam, even most values in the culture come from Islam. I do not mean political Islam, Wahhabism, or whatever you wish to call it. I mean Islam itself, from the Quran and Mohammed’s life.
Jacobsen: What do those that have not been in the situations you and countless others have been in not get? Why is it crucial for them to understand this?
Al-Husseini: These people only who live in Europe or America. Often, they have never been Muslims. That is why they will never understand it. Even the situation of ex-Muslims, if you told them about this person was killed and another was arrested, they will answer it is not Islam instead it is the government.
They will assert it is a special case! These people have little knowledge about Islam and what it is. They just know about Islam and what they hear from their close friends! Some of them are blind!
Jacobsen: Thank you for taking the time once more, Waleed, always a pleasure, my friend.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 13, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/criticizing-islam-becoming-a-criminal-being-tortured-and-leaving-islam.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
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Individual Publication Date: July 12, 2020
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Keywords: children, Leo Igwe, Ogun State, Police, religion.
Child Witch Persecution and Police Intervention in Ogun State[1],[2]
The news that a couple tortured their granddaughter for witchcraft circulated widely on social media. Someone drew my attention to the report in The Nation newspaper. That was late on July 9, 2020. I tried reaching the correspondent who reported the news through the online editor of The Nation, without success. I rang up the Ogun State Police Command spokesperson, Abimbola Opeyemi, but he did not pick or return my calls. I checked the time and found out that it was 10.45 pm. I decided to try contacting him the following day. Early on April 10, about 7.45 am, I called the police spokesperson again, and he did not pick or return my calls. I called the Commissioner of Police (CP), and he answered. I told him about the case of the child witch persecution at Awa Ijebu, and the interest of the Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AFAW)-that is supporting the victim. The CP told me that they had not briefed him. He said he would contact the Divisional Police Officer (DPO) in the area immediately. He asked me to call back in 10 mins. The CP called in less than 10mins, and the DPO of Awa Ijebu was on another line. He asked the DPO to give me his number and instructed him to provide me all the necessary assistance. And the DPO did.
I later called the DPO, and he invited me to come over to the station for a meeting. I arrived at Awa Ijebu police station at about 11.00 am the same day. The DPO was not on seat. I called him on the phone, and he asked him to wait for him. He arrived at the station ten minutes later and ushered me into his office. He invited the Divisional Crime Officer (DCO) to join in the meeting.
The DPO explained what happened. The station received a report of a 7-year old girl who was tortured and abused by the grandparents on July 7. The police arrested the couple. In the course of the investigation, they found out that the girl was tortured for being a witch. The father of the girl died in 2017. And the mother brought the girl and her younger brother to Awa Ijebu. She abandoned them with the father and stepmother and disappeared. The grandfather took the girl to two pastors and an imam who said that the girl was a witch. That the girl responsible for the death of the father and was also planning to kill him.
They told him that the girl was responsible for the financial difficulties that he was encountering. To exorcise the witchcraft, the grandfather tied up the girl on several occasions and applied burnt rubber/plastics all over her body- on the head, hands, back, and the private parts. While the step-grandmother flogged her in the course of the torture. The alleged girl witch had wounds all over the body and the younger brother, 6, was malnourished. The DPO said they tried to get the suspects to disclose the full details of the pastors and the imam who stated that the girl was a witch without success. The suspects said that one of the pastors had died while others were roadside practitioners. The suspects also refused to disclose the whereabouts of the children’s mother. The police liaised with the office of the Social Welfare Department of the Ministry of Women Affairs in Ijebu Igbo and charged the matter to court on April 9. The DPO told me that during the court session, the local magistrate was shedding tears while listening to the story of this girl. The magistrate remanded the couple in custody at Igbeba. The court handed the children over to the Social Welfare Department until the conclusion of the case.
The DPO drove me to the Social Welfare unit in Ijebu Igbo, and the officer later took me to an orphanage where the alleged witch girl and the brother are staying. The two children had been taken to a hospital for a medical check-up and were hospitalized later the same day. During a brief meeting with the manager of the orphanage, he asked for more support for the medical care, education, and overall development of the children. We discussed ways that AFAW could help in supporting the children and the orphanage.
The police in Ogun state must be commended for the diligent way they handled the case of this girl. Also, in 2018, the police in Ogun state arrested and prosecuted those implicated in a case of witchcraft-related murder. Unfortunately, this kind of professionalism has not been displayed in other parts of the country in processing cases of witch persecution and killing. For instance, in Cross River, the police have yet to arrest those who were implicated in the burning of alleged witches in the Boki local government area. A father who set the children ablaze in Plateau state has not been arrested. But this case in Ogun state has illustrated the importance of institutional synergy in combating witch persecution. It took the combined efforts of the police officers in Awa Ijebu, social welfare in Ijebu Igbo, and the ministry of justice to realize this prompt and effective response to a case of child witch persecution in the state. This institutional synergy is needed in Cross River, Akwa Ibom, Plateau, Abia, Lagos, Delta, and other parts of the country where victims of witch persecution and killing are crying for justice.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 4, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/islamic-extremism-and-lure-of-paradise.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 12, 2020
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Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 1,034
Keywords: ex-Muslim, France, friends, threats, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Q&A on Ex-Muslims with Waleed Al-Husseini – Session 2[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: With the foundations laid in Session 1, and in our interview, how does the Council of Ex-Muslims in France help ex-Muslims not feel alone?
Waleed Al-Husseini: To speak about this in France, the situation is complicated for many ex- Muslims because they experience threats. That is why they do not show themselves in public. But they always take the risk to meet in coffee shops, or restaurants, to try to make friends. They do not want to feel alone. Also, such meetings and being with other ex-Muslims gives them some courage. At the Council of Ex-Muslims in France, we provide conferences in public wherein many can get support. Also, we as ex-Muslims recently had a big secular conference in London – a conference in which many Ex-Muslims came together.
What we do for society is the main fight for us – to show that we exist and that we are active, to work for laïcité – I intentionally use the French word because it is different than secularism. I prefer to use it, always.
So, we work for that. That is why we are with all the organizations who work for laïcité, and are also a part of the segment of French society who fight for these values.
We speak Arabic. Islam is Arabic. We know all these Islamist movements. We know how Islamists work. We have important knowledge about a problem that has become truly international.
Jacobsen: Maryam Namazie is an articulate, passionate, and insightful voice of ex-Muslims in Britain. Has she been a beacon of hope and inspiration for the Council of Ex-Muslims in France? And has she helped the council in any way?
Al-Husseini: Yes, of course, we created Ex-Muslims in France with her. She always supported us. We are all part of an important group of ex-Muslims, a group that has people in Germany, the UK, France, and North America.
We all work together and support each other. At the conference in London, we were are all there together. I can tell you there are ex-Muslims in every family in Muslim countries, but they cannot speak.
Here in France, we have more than 100 ex-Muslims involved with our organization. We have many friends and supporters, as there are many other French people fighting for the same values; this gives us the power to feel that we are not alone!
Jacobsen: The Council of Ex-Muslims in France calls for equality and universal rights including the right to criticize religion, the right to atheism, the right to secularism, the right to freedom for women, to right to protection of children, and the right from intimidation tactics by religion. How much success has your organization had on each of these fronts?
Al-Husseini: Acquiring these things are long processes. We want our voices to be heard on these issues. In Muslim countries, we try to help those who are arrested, make their story known, and contact governments, especially if it is an atheist or activist who has been arrested.
All the movements for rights in Islamic countries, such as the one we did in Tunisia this week for not fasting during Ramadan, are a stance of solidarity. For them to admit that we exist is a success, because they never admitted that before, we still need more effective and ubiquitous successes.
Jacobsen: Have there been murders of ex-Muslims in France for their renouncement of Islam? Does this happen as often with another religion’s faithful becoming faithless? Or does this happen mostly with Islam?
Al-Husseini: At this point in time, it is only Islam that does this. The other religions are past this; only Islam still closes on itself after 1,400 years, and doesn’t accept anything modern.
Jacobsen: What can improve the state of free speech for ex-Muslims in France? What can build bonds between ex-Muslims in other countries? What can help build a community/coalition of ex-Muslims in countries in the Middle East?
Al-Husseini: Many things can be done to improve the situation. Firstly, we need more opportunities to talk; they need to give us the space to speak our minds and to not limit free speech or speech in general in the name of “Islamophobia.”
This word has always been used to stop people like us, and to stop others from listening to us. Why? Because we can stop terrorists through discussion and showing many things. If you want to stop terrorists, then listen to ex-Muslims.
What can help build communities is to first put pressure on the government, to stop all the blasphemy laws and stop treating ex-Muslims as threats and criminals, through this, people may stop attacking us.
Then many of us will be more open about who we are in public and speak more freely without so many threats from the religious communities and the government. I can tell you that there are ex-Muslims in every family in Muslim countries, but they cannot speak.
Jacobsen: Thank you for taking the time once more, Waleed, always a pleasure, my friend.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 12, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/qa-on-ex-muslims-with-waleed-al-husseini-session-2.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 12, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 1,026
Keywords: Britain, ex-Muslim, France, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Q&A on Ex-Muslims with Waleed Al-Husseini – Session 1[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: To begin with, what inspired you to start the foundation for ex-Muslims in France in the first place?
Waleed Al-Husseini: If I want to speak about the inspiration, it will be from the things I have been through. I mean my story, what we explained in the last interview, because it makes me feel that there are a lot of us, and that we need to be united. We need to be united in our voice to speak about us and our problems, to make others feel not alone, and also to demonstrate to Europe and the United States that there are people who leave Islam.
All of these things were reasons and inspiration. Then the work of Maryam Namazie, who is the founder of the Council of Ex-Muslims in Britain. We chose the date of chevalier de la barre, the young French nobleman who got killed for blasphemy here in France during the Dark Ages, to show that we are all chevalier de la barre, but from a Muslim background instead of Christian. These are the things that inspired me.
“Or in Saudi Arabia and Mauritania for example, where people have gone to the streets asking the government to kill the apostates. So, those in our situation know that we will get killed. Even here in France I am in the same situation. I am in danger.”
Jacobsen: What are the main social, political, and educational, initiatives of the organization?
Al-Husseini: We are a group of atheists and non-believers who have faced threats and restrictions in our personal lives. Many of us have been arrested for blasphemy.
The Council of Ex-Muslims of France has the following aims:
We call for universal rights and full equality and oppose tolerance of inhuman beliefs, discrimination and ill-treatment in the name of respecting religion and culture.
Freedom to criticise religion. Prohibition of restrictions on unconditional freedom of criticism and expression using so-called religious ‘sanctities’.
Freedom of religion and atheism.
Separation of religion from the state and the educational and legal system.
Prohibition of religious customs, rules, ceremonies or activities that are incompatible with or infringe people’s rights and freedoms.
Abolition of all restrictive and repressive cultural and religious customs which hinder and contradict woman’s independence, free will and equality. Prohibition of segregation of sexes.
Prohibition of interference by any authority, family members or relatives, or official authorities in the private lives of women and men and their personal, emotional and sexual relationships and sexuality.
Protection of children from manipulation and abuse by religion and religious institutions.
Prohibition of any kind of financial, material or moral support by the state or state institutions to religion and religious activities and institutions.
Prohibition of all forms of religious intimidation and threats.
“Some of us cannot even give talks at universities, as you saw what happened with Maryam Namazie last year. When they use the term “islamophobia,” which never existed as a label before, it is just used to shut us up. This word is used to protect Muslims. It is what I call the modern fatwa.”
Jacobsen: More to the central discussion, for ex-Muslims – whether atheist, agnostic, another religion, secular humanist, and so on – in France, what is the general day-to-day situation for them?
Al-Husseini: They are in danger not only from governments, but more from the people. Many of us get killed simply because of the usage of some liberal words – for example – look at what happened in Pakistan a few weeks ago or what happened to the bloggers in Bangladesh last year. Or in Saudi Arabia and Mauritania for example, where people have gone to the streets asking the government to kill the apostates. So, those in our situation know that we will get killed. Even here in France I am in the same situation. I am in danger.
Jacobsen: If any, what percentage of ex-Muslims would you say undergo severe discrimination in France? And if so, what are the forms of the discrimination?
Al-Husseini: Here in France, many avoid saying anything because they will be attacked at their work, or perhaps fired if the owner of the company is Muslim. Many of them will not say anything because they are living in areas with many Muslims, who will attack them. Some of us cannot even give talks at universities, as you must have seen with what happened to Maryam Namazie last year. When they use the term “Islamophobia,” which hasn’t as a label before by the way, it is just used to shut us up. This word is used to protect Muslims. It is what I call the modern fatwa.
Jacobsen: What is the one of the biggest misconceptions that French Muslims have about French ex-Muslims?
Al-Husseini: It is the same everywhere, they think that ex-Muslims are Zionists, or that they are working with them to destroy Islam. It is always the same. They never think that it is a free choice.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 12, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/qa-on-ex-muslims-with-waleed-al-husseini-session-1.
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An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Background, America, Mexico, and Intelligence (Part One)
Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 5,927
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Arturo Escorza Pedraza scored 154 (S.D.15) on WIT and is a member of the World Genius Directory. He is an MSPE member of the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry. He discusses: the nature of the relationship between the historical ownership of land of Mexicans and outright annexation by Americans for the formation of modern America, the peoples’ (Native American, Mexican, etc.) descendants of the land stolen and the mostly European Christian individuals who annexed the land, and the modern incarnation of American leadership in the Trump Administration; an extended self or a sense of the family legacy; heart for this homeland; the family background; the memories of domestic violence; an absent father; the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent; seeing things differently; ethnic slurs; the purpose of intelligence tests; a healthy perspective; high intelligence discovered; the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered; the greatest geniuses in history; a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; societies treated women polymaths and women geniuses; some work experiences and educational certifications; hobbies; more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; the tropes and stereotypes in American film about individuals with Mexican heritage; the core identity of Mexican culture; the gender role of men in Mexico; the gender role of women in Mexico; some social and political views; some of the sociopolitical discourse out of this singular dimensionality of thought; widely considered bright social and political commentators who are simply poseurs, even idiots, regardless of certifications and pedigree of qualifications; thoughts on the God concept or gods idea; atheists portrayed and treated in societies, e.g., Mexico or America; science; me of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); the range of the scores; and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: America, Arturo Escorza Pedraza, background, intelligence, Mexico.
An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Background, America, Mexico, and Intelligence (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When you were growing up, what were some of the prominent family stories being told over time?
Arturo Escorza Pedraza: There are a couple of them: The first is that I owe my name to a boy who died hit by a car at age 12: my mother’s brother. She decided to pay tribute to him, a gifted boy with a talent for drawing, and who at an early age helped his father organize newspaper shipments throughout Mexico.
The second and perhaps more important was the notion that Spanish blood ran through our veins, from my mother’s side, anecdotally and without any document confirming it. I grew up longing for that distant and vilified homeland by most Mexicans. That forbidden love cost me many blows, insults, and ostracization throughout my life. Later, I dedicated many years of my life to my family tree and confirmed those anecdotes from both my mother’s and father’s sides.
2. Jacobsen: What is the nature of the relationship between the historical ownership of land of Mexicans and outright annexation by Americans for the formation of modern America, the peoples’ (Native American, Mexican, etc.) descendants of the land stolen and the mostly European Christian individuals who annexed the land, and the modern incarnation of American leadership in the Trump Administration? How are these tensions playing out in real time?
Escorza: To speak of the history of Mexico is to speak of a succession of misfortune after misfortune, sometimes by external causes but most of it by internal causes. Mexico has blamed Spain and the United States for its underdevelopment for almost two centuries, especially now with the populist who serves as the president of Mexico, without accepting any historical responsibilities.
European colonization and its consequences were different in each region, depending on the Imperial power that sponsored it.
The black legend against Spanish colonization is repeated to the point of satiety from elementary education in Mexico, but what is certain is that, as early as the year 1500, Queen Isabella the Catholic prohibited enslaving indigenous people and orders to give them back the land they before owned and if their work is to be used, they should be paid a fair wage; in 1503 she ordered mixed marriages to be encouraged “which are legitimate and recommended because the Indians are free vassals of the Spanish Crown”. In 1512, Ferdinand II the Laws of Burgos, in which it was reiterated that the natives were free and legitimate owners of houses and estates, and their rights and obligations were detailed as subjects of the Crown.
For three centuries, Spain built cities, the first colleges, and universities in the New World for indigenous people, hospitals, and convents.
All these laws, debates, rights and considerations before nations considered uncivilized, were a very unique case for the 16th century, obviously, not something that other powers, such as England, France or Belgium, would emulate.
The United States learned the British Empire’s way and after its independence, continued to conquer and subdue other nations.
The Mexican-American War confronted the powerful American army against the weak and poorly armed Mexican irregular army, (based on the practice of the levy).
During the Mexican-American War, the Mexican Liberal Party advocated in Congress to continue the war until the invader was expelled, however, their true plans were for the United States to annex the whole territory, as the only effective way to convert to Mexico in a developed country.
On January 29, 1848, four months after the Mexican defeat, the Mexican Liberal Party, ruling at the time, offered a banquet to the Commanding General of the occupation forces, Winfield Scott and his staff, in a former Augustinian convent on the outskirts of Mexico City, in the national park “Desierto de los Leones”.
Among the many toasts that took place, Francisco Suarez Iriarte, president of the Municipal Assembly, toasted the triumph of American arms, and Minister Miguel Lerdo de Tejada asked for the entire annexation of the country and for English to become the official language.
This was not in the plans of the United States. A part of the American politicians was inclined by the total annexation of Mexico, but another part, among which was the 7th vice-president of the United States, John Caldwell Calhoun, the idea was terrible: “The great misfortunes of Spanish America are to be traced to the fatal error of placing these colored races on an equality with the white race…”
In the end, it was decided only to annex the northern part of the country, with very little population density.
Nicholas Trist, the American diplomat, sent by the United States to sign the Guadalupe Hidalgo Treaty that stripped Mexico of more than half of its territory, later commented in a letter “My feeling of shame as an American was far stronger than the Mexicans’ could be.” Regarding the treaty.
In that treaty it was specified that the Mexican inhabitants of the annexed areas could obtain American nationality, however, between 1929 and 1936, between 400 thousand and 2 million Mexican-Americans descendants of those Mexicans “crossed by the border”, born in the United States were “voluntarily repatriated” to Mexico, amid racist feelings and the notion that they had something to do with the Great Depression of 1929 and the same old song “they take our jobs”.
The United States has made tremendous advances in civil rights in recent decades, not without opposition from the more conservative sectors, and it would be foolish to deny the improvement in relations between different ethnic groups, and the opportunities associated, despite many retrograde minds anchored in the 19th century.
I agree with many of President Trump’s policies, with others, don’t.
It doesn’t matter how the United States acquired the territories that belonged to Mexico in the 19th century, now we are in the 21st century and countries need borders. Also, if those territories were part of Mexico until today, they would surely be sterile deserts ruled by narco mafias and corruption, just like the rest of the country, so it’s not worth crying for what was lost without turning to see what is being lost now.
Mexico has to stop putting its economic hopes in the money that migrants send, both legal and illegal, and to fix its institutions and laws taking full responsibility.
While it’s true that the good and cheap labor of Mexican migrants is important for the type of capitalist economy that the United States has, there is no country that can accept an unlimited number of migrants, and not because they “take the jobs of Americans” (If there were no American employers offering low-paying jobs to illegal migrants, I assure you, there would be no illegal migrants.)
However, I think that addressing the issue could be more practical and simple, without the hasty generalization fallacy suggesting that all those born in a given country are criminals, and without inciting racism against people whose virtues or vices are not codified in their skin color.
I also agree that all people should comply with the laws, regardless of their skin color, and I also believe that the American laws are impartial and that with each new case the jurisprudence is updated.
But unlike Mr. Trump, I am more of practical thinking than a symbolist.
3. Jacobsen: Have these stories helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Escorza: They have. I always considered myself a citizen of an ethereal homeland that no longer exists, but only in my mind and heart. A homeland that I try to revive through the intangible musical notes of its centuries-old cathedrals. Absolutely not compatible with modern mariachi bands or music of praise to drug traffickers.
4. Jacobsen: What is in your heart for this homeland?
Escorza: It is my personal and romantic representation of the perfect nation, forged on the basis of all virtues and without flaws. It’s a utopian homeland that never existed in any present or past place, although it has many features of the Mexican viceregal past it’s basically almost the opposite of what modern Mexico represents. That’s why I say that it only exists in my mind and in my heart.
5. Jacobsen: What was the family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Escorza: My parents were born in Mexico City, and I have two siblings, I was the youngest of them, (13 years younger than my brother and 11 younger than my sister).
A dysfunctional family, where domestic violence and fear were the daily bread.
My father was the founder and CEO of a medium-sized pipes, valves, and fittings firm. He was a gifted man, with an eidetic memory that could remember all the streets, names, and details of each place he visited only once. He only finished High-School, but he offered consultation to engineers on the design of facilities.
My father’s alcoholism, my brother’s envy towards me, shaped much of what I am (and also what I’m not) in this life.
My father was a fervent enemy of religion, but in the last years of his life, it was just the opposite: He went to religious services every Sunday and sang praise and prayers at the top of his lungs.
My mother has been the only support, the only protection, and understanding that I have always had in my life. A religious-but-not-fanatic woman who believed that an atheistic son would condemn her to hell but who is now a critic of the religious institution thanks to me.
6. Jacobsen: Do the memories of domestic violence still impact you?
Escorza: That’s right, in fact, it is one of the reasons why I migrated from my country to Russia. Although it is true that physical violence was only against my mother on behalf of my father, psychological violence was against everyone, and when my father died, my brother was the continuator of that psychological violence, against my mother and me especially.
I have many painful memories of my worst enemy, my brother, but among all the pain, I practice what I call the “reverse revenge”. If people were bad with me, I have to be twice as good with them and I must not repeat the hate pattern with the people around me.
And if I can’t be good to my brother, because I haven’t healed yet, at least I’m far from him.
7. Jacobsen: How does an absent father in the sense of “no one’s home” with an alcoholic father impact a son? How does the other side of the coin – the alcoholic self of the father – impact you?
Escorza: In fact, in the first years of my life, my father was absent. He had another family to which he dedicated all his time and money. For us, all the bad things. When he came home, my whole being trembled with fear, and I didn’t know what to speak or what to answer. All I wanted was him to leave as soon as possible.
Over the years, he changed a little and became more accessible, and he came to profess great respect and love for me, which I also reciprocated, and I know I was his favorite son because I never reproached him for anything or I never dared to judge him.
8. Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Escorza: I was always very bullied, beaten, for being different, for my strange way of seeing life, and even for my complexion.
I even suffered harassment and even insults from teachers during elementary and junior high school.
In childhood and adolescence, I liked the company of people much older than me.
I even asked my mother to be homeschooled, and years later in High School, I asked her to be allowed to study at distance, so I could get my certificate based on exams and studying on my own, but since all this came out of the standards imposed by my father, I had to continue to endure harassment and the slow pace of teachers and classmates.
9. Jacobsen: How did they ‘harass and beat’ you for seeing things differently?
Escorza: I loved studying, I loved learning new things, I hated wasting my time (to this day) without doing something useful or without learning something new. An anecdote comes to mind that is an example of the kind of things I was bullied for:
I was 9 years old when I began fourth grade. My new teacher was a lovely old lady whom all the children loved. She was some months away from her retirement and her “lessons” were nothing more than anecdotes about her life, how she loved her grandsons, about the soap operas she watched and how she was skilled knitting with crochet.
I felt disappointed, I felt that I wasting my time and not learning anything. All my classmates were happy, not needing books or exams.
Many times I had the audacity to face her and ask her: “Mrs. Theresa, when are we going to have real lessons? and the sweet old lady would change her lovely face and turn the crowd against me: “These are precious lessons too, but Arturo thinks they’re not, so let’s please him: everyone, take a blank sheet, we’re having a surprise exam.”
You can imagine the face of my schoolmates and how scared I was because I knew what would happen to me after school. Yes, that day my schoolmates beat me again, and the next day, when the teacher appeared with the results of our surprise test and everyone failed except me, they beat me even harder.
10. Jacobsen: Were there ethnic slurs hurled based on the skin color? How alive are these issues to this day?
Escorza: They but in the opposite way.
My family tree let me know that my father and mother’s family were wealthy Spanish landowners and landlords and slave owners during the 16th and 18th centuries. They were not noble but followed the royal tradition of marrying between members of related families to preserve wealth within the family. Several centuries of identical surnames changing places and generations.
This minority ethnic group is called historically in Mexico “Criollo” (creole), and my family descends from them. In my whole school, I was the only “creole”, among mestizo children.
They made fun of my skin, my wavy and somewhat blond hair, my broad forehead (they thought it was baldness), but everything worsened when as part of a school project, we had to represent the conquest of the Aztec Empire. One of my favorite books, which I read with no little effort, but had a glossary of disused words from the 16th century, was Bernal Díaz del Castillo’s “True History of the Conquest of New Spain”, which we had at home. I used to read enraptured the adventures of Hernán Cortés and other conquerors.
So, the day came to give roles and since my grades were the highest in the class, they gave me the role of “the high priest”, but I wanted to be Hernán Cortés because he was my hero.
And the teachers listed for me the reasons why I shouldn’t choose Cortés: “He was evil!” “He was a genocide!” “It’s a greater honor to play the high priest” … no argument made me change my mind.
I was born for that role! My maternal family was descended from one of the conquerors who arrived with Cortés! don Diego de Pedraza, although at that time neither I nor my family knew it.
Nothing mattered, they decided that I would be the Aztec high priest and that was the end of our conversation.
My classmates heard the whole discussion and until the end of my time in elementary school, they called me: “gachupin” (despective slur against the Spanish), “malinche” (one of the worst insults against anyone in Mexico, semantically meaning: “traitor”. It’s the name of a very talented woman given to Hernán Cortés who served as a translator as she spoke Maya, Nahuatl, and quickly learned Spanish, but the Mexicans equate her with Judas’ betrayal) and many more names, for defending Hernán Cortés and my Iberian heritage.
11. Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Escorza: They are one more attempt to translate into numbers what makes us human and differentiates us from other human beings on this earth.
12. Jacobsen: Does this make them interesting while not everything as a healthy perspective?
Escorza: I recognize the importance of tests and their correlation with people’s abilities, but I also know of many people who base their happiness or sadness on the scores they obtain on such tests.
13. Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Escorza: When I was 9 months old, I already had a respectable repertoire of single words for any kid of my age, and around that time my mother watched “The Exorcist”, so her reaction when I began to speak my first words was to cross herself and to pray some prayer. She thought that it was the devil’s work! “no child speaks at such an early age”.
When I was three, I learned to read by myself, and one year later I began attending kindergarten. We had at home a new encyclopedia – comics style – about the adventures of a scientist called Professor Hubertus and his shape-shifting android Proteus. At the end of each volume, there were definitions of every single scientific term. That was the first time I had contact with physics, strong AI, rockets, and computers.
At the age of 5, something that would change my life forever happened.
One day to my kindergarten came a small group of people that I never saw before, with puzzles and began asking questions, and playing games. I don’t remember a lot, but what I do remember is that several days later the principal of the kindergarten called my mother. I wanted to talk to my parents next week. My father failed to attend, as he was very distant at that time, having time only for his mistress and her sons.
It was early in the morning when my mother entered the principal’s office, someone was waiting for her. She was welcomed by the principal and a man who introduced himself as a psychologist sent by the Secretariat of Public Education. “During the last days, we have conducted a series of tests with children to determine their level of intelligence (…) Congratulations Ma’am, your son is exceptionally gifted, it’s the highest IQ ever found in this kindergarten”. “He’s a very special child, please love him, understand him, and protect him. He will need to be enrolled in a school for gifted children. We’re giving you a closed envelope with all this information so you can find the best school for him, and, for the kid’s sake, don’t let him know that he is gifted, it would be prejudicial for him. ”
Finally, in adolescence, my mother told me about this matter.
14. Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of the past have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Escorza: Most people fear the unknown, and despise the different. Most people defend the most deeply rooted traditions, passed down from father to son, even the most illogical, and irrational, and consider anyone who proposes a new way of doing things as an aggressor, a heretic, an anti-patriot that has to be destroyed. Intelligence is a powerful weapon against the status quo and injustice.
15. Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Escorza: Since I was 8 years old, I started reading the volumes of the encyclopedia “Colossi of History”
I remember reading in ecstasy about the life of Leonardo da Vinci, his many talents, so much that, like any child says “I want to be a fireman”, “I want to be an astronaut”, I repeated, “I want to be like Leonardo da Vinci” and that has been one of the purposes of my life and of my studies, to this day.
Albert Einstein changed the way we understand the Universe, so, to me, he’s one of the greatest too, Nikola Tesla is also one of my favorites, and another one, from my country, is the nun Juana Ines de la Cruz from the 17th century: polymath, poet, dramatist, philosopher, composer, mathematician, owner of the largest library in the New Spain, the first feminist who suffered threats of the Holy Inquisition for her intelligence and work, which finally made her give away her library and her musical instruments and die of a typhus epidemic at age 46, nursing her sisters, the nuns of the Convent of St Jerome in Mexico City.
16. Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Escorza: Both would be similar to two race cars, however, one of them running on the roads and the other inside a garage.
A genius is one whose mind and ideas allow him to address problems in an alternative way, out of the box, and those ideas create changes.
17. Jacobsen: How have societies treated women polymaths and women geniuses? One obvious case is Hypatia.
Escorza: In most times, in the countries of Judeo-Christian tradition with a religious majority, they have been censored and relegated to the background.
The independent woman is insulted and vilified, the intelligent woman is feared. The gift of superior intelligence in a woman is not seen as something divine, but as influenced by the devil.
18. Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Escorza: I am a person who suffers from several phobias, the most important: agoraphobia and telephone phobia, which are a perfect ingredient to ruin anyone’s career and that’s why I have been working on my own for years.
I studied at the National Conservatory of Music in Mexico, and 3 years ago I also studied at the National School of Anthropology and History of Mexico.
At 19 I became the youngest tenor of the Choir of the Symphonic Orchestra of the State of Mexico, and at 22, the youngest tenor and Petty Officer in the Choir of the Navy of Mexico, after more than 300 tenors who auditioned in 5 years.
19. Jacobsen: What are your hobbies?
Escorza: Listen to baroque music, especially French and Italian. I like to create 3D illustrations and learn languages. Although it is true that now I consider myself less active and bitter, in 2009 I learned Romanian in 2 months on my own and this helped me to communicate without problems during my visit to Romania and now, I’m learning modern Hebrew.
20. Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Escorza: Something that strikes me most is that in my native country (Mexico), the idea is only seen as a subject of American films and not as a reality of the country, only a very short time ago. That same representation in the movies is what shapes people’s expectations of gifted and great people: strange people, sometimes unbearable, who know everything without even studying it, without knowing that behind each great idea there are thousands of hours of dedication, tears of blood, bullying. Some cultures will call them gifts from God, others, monstrosities against the goodness of God.
21. Jacobsen: What are the tropes and stereotypes in American film about individuals with Mexican heritage?
Escorza: Always the same: mindless, noisy people, without the capacity for deep feelings but lovers of partying and illegality. A caste born for manual labor, gardening, working the fields, servants, housekeepers. And even worse, are always represented as a monolithic ethnic group without differences. On my visits to other countries, when people know where I come from, they think that “You don’t look Mexican” is a compliment. Rather I don’t look like the stereotype they have in their minds.
22. Jacobsen: What is the core identity of Mexican culture?
Escorza: Victimism, a fake alternative national history, and the celebration of the notion of “we almost made it”.
Mexican official history celebrates losses and losers, names cities and states after them, and removes the names of great people from history books.
23. Jacobsen: What is the gender role of men in Mexico?
Escorza: Mexican culture is based on male chauvinism (what we call in Spanish “machismo”). The man has to be tough, womanizer, aggressive, anything short of that makes you an effeminate, a capital sin for Mexican machos.
Something similar to Dmitry Belyayev’s domesticated foxes experiment occurs with the Mexican male population, but in the opposite direction: each generation is more aggressive than the previous one.
24. Jacobsen: What is the gender role of women in Mexico?
Escorza: To submit to the will their fathers, brothers, boyfriends, or husbands. To be a good wife, to bear the husband, no matter how bad or unfaithful he is, that “he’s finally a man they are like that” and to stay at home.
Something terrible happens, in the face of the alarming numbers of women murdered every year, each case that makes it to the news unleashes comments by both men and women alike accusing the woman of her own death: “well deserved”, “she asked for it”, “If she had been in her house and not in the club, she would not have been murdered”
25. Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
Escorza: I note with dismay that most people around the world is divided into the old “left” and “right”. I am not married to any ideologies and I consider them very harmful and belonging to other outdated times in human history.
I am also against the meddling of religion in state affairs, they should be well away from each other.
I am against the caste division of people, I find the color classification of people and systematic discrimination due to religions or sexual preferences unbearable.
I am against dictatorships and autocratic regimes with eternal leaders or leaders dividing the people into “good” and “bad”, “ours” and “not ours”, “with us” and “against us”.
The basis of everything should be: Everyone should be happy, feel protected, useful, with the same opportunities, within the law. Do not live in poverty or persecution.
26. Jacobsen: What can get some of the sociopolitical discourse out of this singular dimensionality of thought?
Escorza: The logical analysis of the premises. Be critical of all information, not believe in anything, or anyone unconditionally.
27. Jacobsen: Who are widely considered bright social and political commentators who are simply poseurs, even idiots, regardless of certifications and pedigree of qualifications?
Escorza: I am somewhat disconnected from that topic. For own mental health. The number of logical fallacies used by each commentator, each candidate, each politician in different countries, makes me feel that we now live in the world described by George Orwell in “Nineteen Eighty-Four”. Truth, history, common sense no longer have a meaning, but only what the party decides to give it.
28. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Escorza: In ancient times, the shaman was the healer, the one who had contact with spirits from other dimensions, the one who offered the first explanation of the phenomena of nature.
Religion was institutionalized and was the first that, based on its moral conception, dictated laws of coexistence, food consumption, cleanliness.
Today, many religions serve their own monetary interests, and large numbers of parishioners zealously pursue rituals, but not the main teachings. For many people, it is essential to light a candle on certain days, say the same prayer 100 times or whip their backs in a procession, instead of the really important thing, which in most religions is the same: “Love your neighbor as you you love yourself”.
I am more inspired by someone who feeds the poor and showers the dirty, than someone who candles the churches or knows by heart all the verses of any given holy book.
On the other hand, as an atheist, since I was 11 years old, I consider that religion has a very important role to play in the modern world. While the reasonable man conducts himself on the basis of morality, empathy and goodness, a large number of people who believe in gods, try to behave morally and empathic, only because of the fear they have of a deity or the desire to be rewarded by it, so, without that fear, it seems to me that the world would be an even more dangerous and difficult place to live in.
The concept of God is the simplest wildcard response of many people to absolutely everything we do not know, and this eliminates the need to look further, so it seems obsolete to me.
For me, I would turn all the beautiful religious buildings into philosophical and scientific temples, to eradicate all kinds of superstitions from people’s minds, to teach them to think for themselves, logically, and I’d also use them as a beautiful setting for musical concerts.
29. Jacobsen: Typically, how are atheists portrayed and treated in societies, e.g., Mexico or America?
Escorza: As misfits. How can one not believe in God? “if it were not for him we would not exist.”
30. Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Escorza: Science is the best tool we have to try to reach the truth. It has taken us out of caves, has made us build cities, navigate the seas, has lengthened our life expectancy and has opened a hole in Plato’s cave, to see beyond. I have great respect for science, and I marvel at every little or great new discovery.
31. Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Escorza: The one they did to me at 5 years old, although I don’t know the score.
During the treatment of a terrible depression that almost cost me my life, a psychiatrist gave me the WAIS test, 13 years ago, when I was 25 years old. My result was 160 sd-15.
32. Jacobsen: What is the range of the scores for you? The scores earned on alternative intelligence tests tend to produce a wide smattering of data points rather than clusters, typically.
Escorza: In alternative tests without time limits, from different test creators on the internet, I have obtained scores close to that of 13 years ago and others in the range of 150-154 and in some cases, up to 124. In many cases it depends on I am not a native speaker of English and that some nuances of the language are unknown to me.
33. Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Escorza: As an atheist that I am, and without having concrete evidence of a life after this, I consider death the end of everything, which is why it’s not worth living life in hardship, in penance, in suffering, waiting for the reward of an eternal life of happiness and absence of pain and suffering. So, a mixture of hedonism and the Golden Mean would be my ethical philosophy.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Background, America, Mexico, and Intelligence (Part One) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-one.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 8). An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Background, America, Mexico, and Intelligence (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-one.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Background, America, Mexico, and Intelligence (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-one>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Background, America, Mexico, and Intelligence (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-one.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Background, America, Mexico, and Intelligence (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-one.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Background, America, Mexico, and Intelligence (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-one>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Background, America, Mexico, and Intelligence (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-one.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Background, America, Mexico, and Intelligence (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-one>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Arturo Escorza Pedraza on Background, America, Mexico, and Intelligence (Part One) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pedraza-one.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,231
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anthony Sepulveda scored 174 (S.D.15) on Cosmic and is a member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: important problems; ethics and morality based on the position of the determinism of human nature; international human rights and humanitarian law, and God’s law; morality; a cyst; the bucket list; items for the bucket list; form of reincarnation; the inevitable drift or direction of human evolution; environmental long-term stability; redistribution of resources and international responsibility, or not; an alien species; a culture of care; religion; week 10; the Northern Lights; ‘Tango’; 1984-ish attempts to rewrite history on the part of religious extremists with a conservative orientation and extremist social activists with a liberal perspective; and some signs of some cultures decaying in rejection of historical monuments of the senses called art.
Keywords: Anthony Sepulveda, bucket list, culture, philosophy.
An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Bucket List and Culture (Part Three)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What do you consider some of the more important problems to solve now?
Anthony Sepulveda (Brown): The biggest issues that need attention right now are political with a focus on long-term social and environmental stability. It terrifies me to know that we’re closer to interplanetary travel than world peace, insofar as we’ll be more akin to a virus spreading than curious explorers. So we need to ensure our home is stable, safe and sound before moving onward.
2. Jacobsen: Some will claim a determinist view of human nature leaves the question of freedom of the will a concluded issue and then this becomes connected to morality or ethics. Any thoughts on ethics and morality based on the position of the determinism of human nature?
Sepulveda (Brown): This is a very interesting problem. Generally, an objective answer to an important problem would result in it’s immediate implication. However, given the standard view of a hard determinist and my current views on the afterlife, it would conclude that it doesn’t matter what we do and that our experiences have no effects after death. This would result in a ‘might makes right’, ‘survival of the fittest’ environment that I’m not entirely sure doesn’t already exist (if in a relatively unusual form).
3. Jacobsen: What do you think of the comparison between international human rights and humanitarian law, on the one hand, and God’s law, e.g., Moses and the Ten Commandments, on the other?
Sepulveda (Brown): Any ethical problem can be solved using the same logic John Nash applied to economics – Do what’s best for you and everyone else. Many problems arise when our egos overshadow our empathy for others. And accepting our status as relative equals (especially with future generations) would go a long way to resolve most issues.
Without definitive proof that a specific religion reflects the truth of God’s will, all laws should be founded on objective reason and experience.
4. Jacobsen: Is morality invented, discovered, or innate and then constructed/formalized?
Sepulveda (Brown): It’s an interesting question… I believe that the solutions to ethical problems are relative to their environment. So, while there is a Commandment that orders not to kill, I would obey it on the grounds that performing such acts is not necessary for the ongoing prosperity of myself and those I respect. But in a different situation – if I were homeless and cold and another vagrant were to attempt to steal what little comforts I had, I imagine that their continued existence wouldn’t matter much to me. It seems probable to me that most of morality is relative to the events surrounding it.
5. Jacobsen: What was the sense of relief in finding out only a cyst was present?
Sepulveda (Brown): Indescribable. I was on cloud nine for weeks. Absolutely nothing could get under my skin and I was obnoxiously happy.
6. Jacobsen: So, what is on the bucket list?
Sepulveda (Brown): 1. See the Northern Lights 2. Do everything in my power to ensure the ongoing happiness of Tango and the few family members I’m close to. The rest of life is a blank canvas that I have free reign with as long as I avoid actions that I’ll actually regret.
7. Jacobsen: Why choose those items for the bucket list?
Sepulveda (Brown): The patterns of nature have always fascinated me and the only one I haven’t seen for myself yet is the Northern Lights. The other is pretty self explanatory – I love them most dearly and want nothing but the best for them.
8. Jacobsen: What form of reincarnation makes sense to you?
Sepulveda (Brown): There are a few different ideas of how reincarnation occurs, but there’s no real way to determine which one is the most accurate. Still, I lean towards it because no other part of nature is permanent. Everything is in a constant state of flux. So why would the soul be any different?
9. Jacobsen: What seems like the inevitable drift or direction of human evolution?
Sepulveda (Brown): I’m not sure. The world is so interconnected and events arise to be forgotten so quickly nowadays that it seems impossible to accurately predict. But if determinism is accurate, then the idea of fate is valid and we’ll all reach an inevitable conclusion no matter what I do.
10. Jacobsen: What parts of environmental long-term stability?
Sepulveda (Brown): All of them. We need to learn from our mistakes and alter our methodologies if we want to maintain the overall stability of the global ecosystem. We need to fund and encourage companies like Mycoworks that have dedicated themselves to the development of safe materials that could easily replace leather, plastic and even some building materials. Even that simple change would go a long way towards securing our future because, let’s face facts, humans are wasteful and will continue to be so in the future. So we need to get ahead of that problem and design our luxury products with the mindset that they will likely be cast aside as soon as they’re unwanted. Plastic is still found in the digestive tract of many, many animals (primarily aquatic and avian because they don’t taste food as we do). And this poisons the entire food chain of many environments.
We also need to prepare for the inevitable end of resources like crude oil, which, during the time of this interview, is believed to be depleted completely within my lifetime.
11. Jacobsen: What needs to happen in regards to redistribution resources and international responsibility, or not?
Sepulveda (Brown): I wish I knew. Answering that question would require a level of expertise I haven’t reached in several subjects and I’m not the type to try to turn hollow words into a facsimile of something that sounds good.
12. Jacobsen: If we meet an alien species, how will Mecca travellers or the Vatican react, likely?
Sepulveda (Brown): Likely, there would be a state of denial that would last for a period relative to each individual’s level of fanaticism and access to information on current events while others attempt to incorporate the news into their existing belief system.
13. Jacobsen: How can we inculcate a culture of care for better empathy amongst more people in society?
Sepulveda (Brown): Firstly, we need to talk to each other more often. And not just the people we like and agree with, but as many people as we can. We need to challenge and humble ourselves and realize that no ones all that different from anyone else. All too often, people will completely write off other contrasting views and either ignore them completely or insulting them into nonexistence. Both are unhealthy responses and need to be rectified for everyone’s benefit.
14. Jacobsen: Religion tends to be based on revelation, theology (ad-hoc rationalization and textual analysis), and personal experience, and authority. What could make religions more rational if they aren’t going anywhere based on some evolved bug in the wetware of human beings?
Sepulveda (Brown): Many of the revelations referred to by religious people or texts have to be taken on faith, trusting the words of others without any real evidence or reason. This level of naive silliness should be avoided, in my opinion. Instead, we should focus on the details we can all see and appreciate and compare them with the overwhelming ignorance we all have of the nature of reality.
15. Jacobsen: What happened on week 10?
Sepulveda (Brown): My eyes regained focus, metaphorically speaking. And the pleasant visions I’d been fantasizing of pursuing with my potentially more distant future were obstructed by an ugly present that refused to be ignored.
16. Jacobsen: Why the Northern Lights?
Sepulveda (Brown): The Southern Lights are farther away.
17. Jacobsen: Do you mean that you dance Tango?
Sepulveda (Brown): No, Tango is the nickname I gave my best friend when we were working together. And to answer your next question – no, at the time of this interview we have never danced together. Though I look forward to the day I have the opportunity.
18. Jacobsen: What do you make of 1984-ish attempts to rewrite history on the part of religious extremists with a conservative orientation and extremist social activists with a liberal perspective with one declaring God as the author of the greatest [fill-in-the-blank nation] and the other declaring the pervasive phobia of all forms making the leastest [fill-in-the-blank country]?
Sepulveda (Brown): Any such attempt is an act of unbridled immaturity. We need to accept every situation as it is, not as how we want it to be.
19. Jacobsen: What are some signs of some cultures decaying in rejection of historical monuments of the senses called art?
Sepulveda (Brown): What many call ‘culture’ is simply a shared belief and, often, aesthetic. Individual pieces of art hold little value to the whole, but the common features they share form the foundation for cultural identity. Now that we’ve reached a point of global connectivity, the exotic edges of our global experiences are being worn down and it seems that we’re all beginning to stagnate. And given the incredible frequency with which virtual experiences occur, even the most breathtaking works of art have lost their memorability.
I used to perform volunteer services for an art gallery featuring a man named Bill Walcott who can take oils and, with a level of patience I will never have, with the skill and technique of a true artisan, slowly coat the surface of a canvas with the perfect application of paint to make it indistinguishable from a photograph. And yet, no one cares. Such things have become commonplace to the point that they hold no value for the average person. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve seen people walk by his works without even the slightest pause or consideration. Which is a genuine tragedy in my eyes. A link to his work is provided below. But before you or anyone reading checks it out, please take the time to reflect on the value of art, how important it is to you and how important it should be. It’ll only take a moment and I promise you won’t regret it. https://www.collectivevisions.com/bill-walcott
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-three; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Bucket List and Culture (Part Three) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-three.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 8). An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Bucket List and Culture (Part Three). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-three.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Bucket List and Culture (Part Three). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-three>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Bucket List and Culture (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-three.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Bucket List and Culture (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-three.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Bucket List and Culture (Part Three)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-three>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Bucket List and Culture (Part Three)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-three.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Bucket List and Culture (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-three>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Bucket List and Culture (Part Three) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-three.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 1,730
Keywords: Council of Ex-Muslims of France, ex-Muslims, France, Waleed Al-Husseini.
An Interview with Waleed Al-Husseini – Founder of Council of Ex-Muslims of France[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: You were born in Palestine and live in France. There’s a story about the transition in geography and ideas, and beliefs. You were a Palestinian Muslim. Now, you’re an atheist and ex-Muslim living in France.
You have a book coming out May 16, 2017 entitled, The Blasphemer: The Price I Paid for Rejecting Islam. Before getting to that point, what is your family religious background?
Waleed Al-Husseini: My family is Muslim Sunni, like most Palestinian families, but they were normal, not fundamentalist, more humanistic than religious.
Jacobsen: You are from Qalqilyah on the West Bank. What were the first moments of doubt in Allah?
Al-Husseini: It started in my secondary school. I was thinking about free will in Islam because in the school we had to study Islam and Quran. I asked about my doubt to the teacher, but didn’t get answers. I tried with some imam in Qalqilyah, but the response was that it was from Satan.
They told me that I should go home and pray because these questions were from Satan. So, I started reading by myself and from the library. All of the Islamic books. I started to discover a lot of things, which shocked me.
Jacobsen: What seems like the best argument for atheism and against Islam to you?
Al-Husseini: In Islam, there a lot of things that make it one of the weakest religions. Since there are mistakes in the Quran, there are also things against human rights in the Quran, and for sure the situation of women in Islam. All these are arguments for atheism against Islam.
Jacobsen: You wrote at the Qalqilyah Internet café. You were reported to the authorities for making Muslim citizens mad. Did your family and friends disowned you? What were the most hurtful comments? How did you cope?
Al-Husseini: My family knew that I was an atheist before I got arrested. They were thinking that I am just young. I will become a Muslim once I grow up again. My friends stopped the friendship with me. When they found out I was an atheist, I had problems in university too.
So, I had to change the university to save my life. The most hurtful for me was when they insulted me by my mother and the family. My family has Muslims in it. They insulted them, but most comments as usual were insulting and mixing with threats for killing and death.
Jacobsen: Is this a common series of reactions for those that leave the faith in mind and heart, and then in deed?
Al-Husseini: Yes, for them, when you speak about Islam and atheism, they think you are paid from someone. That is why they threaten and insult. For them, it is not a personal choice to leave Islam.
Jacobsen: Why is the reaction so seemingly disproportionate against even a son, a brother, or a friend such as yourself?
Al-Husseini: Because this is always in the culture, this hurts me more than what they think, which, as I explained before, they think it is not a personal choice, and that you are being paid by others to destroy Islam.
It is impossible to leave Islam by yourself because what we learn is that Islam is perfect. Even others envy us for this religion, this one of the biggest problems in teaching children. They brainwash children.
Jacobsen: You were a computer science student and a barber assistant – for your father. You wrote on the personal blog Noor al-Aqel or “Enlightenment of Reason.” What were the general topics? Why write there, and on those topics?
Al-Husseini: In my blog, in the beginning, my articles talked about my doubts because I was writing at that time to look for the truth. That is what I kept saying during all my articles, then I tried to put rocks in the calm water and speak about the taboo. That is what I did.
Jacobsen: You were arrested by the Palestinian Authority in October, 2010. The charge: (alleged) blasphemy against Islam in online writing – blog posts and Facebook. The arrest was an international note. What was the personal reaction 6/7 years ago for you?
Al-Husseini: I was arrested on the 2nd of November in 2010. My reaction in the beginning was like, “I do not understand why I am arrested because I thought that Palestine is a secular state as it is openly declared.” I was wrong. I went through the military court.
Jacobsen: In imprisonment by the Palestinian Authority, there does not seem to have been a justification for it. You were in solitary confinement. This imprisonment went on for 11 months. You were tortured.
For free expression, this happened to you. Foreign government and international attention placed pressure on the Palestinian Authority. You were paroled, then fled to Jordan first. Why Jordan?
Al-Husseini: Because Jordan is the only country I can be without visa. In the West Bank, there is no embassy for a European country. So, I have to go to Jordan if I want ask for a visa. I escaped to Jordan to acquire the visa.
Jacobsen: Next, you went to France. Why France from Jordan? What was the appeal of France?
Al-Husseini: I chose France in the beginning because they know my story well. The French government spoke about my story. I didn’t want to lose time waiting for the visa and then have to prove my story. So, it was really fast to have the French visa.
Jacobsen: You founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France on July 4, 2013. The date has significance. It “marked the torture and murder of young Frenchman Jean-François Lefevre de la Barre in 1766 for refusing to remove his hat while a religious procession passed by and was a reminder of the countless la Barres facing threats, torture, imprisonment and death for apostasy, blasphemy, heresy, atheism and refusing to comply with Islamist norms.”
There were a number of prominent speakers there.[i] The speakers list and its foundation was an attempt to establish an “important step,” a prominent first step, in provision of a challenge to Islamism – the desire to impose political Islam over society – and apostasy laws as well as a defense for “free expression, freedom of belief and atheism and secularism.”
What has been the organization’s trials and tribulations in foundation, development, maintenance, and growth since that time?
Al-Husseini: Exactly, we chose that date to show that we are similar like ex-Muslims. We are now more than 100 members who live in France. Most of us cannot speak and be in public, even they live here in France, for the same reasons if they live in Islamic country.
Jacobsen: What seem like the best means to combat Far-Right ideologies such as white nationalism and Islamism?
Al-Husseini: For me, the Far-Right do not mean only European Far-Right. What they call “Islamism” are Far-Right too, for me, they are all the same. Some Far-Right fight Islamism just for their own racists goals, but we fight Islamism for our human rights.
That is why we are also against Far-Right ideologies, even if they are use our speeches and words for their own goals.
Jacobsen: Now, you advocate free speech and criticize Islam – as beliefs, purported divine revelatory scripture, and suggested practices for adherents. What makes free speech worth fighting for now, even in the light of your previous imprisonment and torture?
Al-Husseini: It is worth it to help our people live in peace, to let the different people like me not have to leave their own country, to make friends accept them. It doesn’t matter their beliefs, to try make the society for everyone, for secularism and respect.
Jacobsen: What does France and Western Europe take for granted with respect to free speech?
Al-Husseini: You can say whatever you want about religion, criticize it, and speak openly.
Jacobsen: Who is a favourite philosopher and writer in history, alive or dead?
Al-Husseini: I like Voltaire.
Jacobsen: You wrote on the conspiratorial perspective of some Muslims. That is, individuals leaving Islam can be seen as an agent of a Western or Jewish State. What seems like the source of this conspiracy view?
Al-Husseini: Yes, because we are like spies to them, this comes from the Quran itself.
Jacobsen: What are the upcoming and ongoing initiatives for the Council of Ex-Muslims of France?
Al-Husseini: We have a conference in July in London for all ex-Muslims.
Jacobsen: Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the discussion today?
Al-Husseini: Thank you.
Jacobsen: Thank you for your time, Waleed.
[i] Successful launch of Council of Ex-Muslims of France (2013) said:
Speakers at the packed event included founding members of the Council of Ex-Muslims of France Waleed Al-Husseini; Atica Samrah; Mehdi Lamrani; Elias Ben Amer and Soad Baba Aïssa of Association pour la mixité, l’égalité et la laïcité en Algérie. Other speakers included Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain’s Maryam Namazie, Tunisian film-maker Nadia El-Fani; Secularist Caroline Fourest; Safia Lebdi of Insoumisses; activist Fatou Sou; Mimouna Hadham; and Marieme Helie Lucas of Secularism is a Woman’s Issue.
Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain. (n.d.). Successful launch of Council of Ex-Muslims of France. Retrieved from http://ex-muslim.org.uk/2013/07/successful-launch-of-council-of-ex-muslims-of-france/.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/an-interview-with-waleed-al-husseini-founder-of-council-of-ex-muslims-of-france.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 5, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 703
Keywords: ex-Muslims, fear, hostility, laws, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Blasphemy Laws, Fear and Hostility, and French Ex-Muslims: Waleed Al-Husseini[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Sir, any new books upcoming? Any new events for ex-Muslims on the horizon?
Waleed Al-Husseini: New book not yet, but we will have events in September in London we just try to prepare it.
Jacobsen: For those in the context of countries without blasphemy laws, what is the difference in daily life? How do blasphemy laws change the way someone lives their life in a country?
Al-Husseini: Let’s talk about Europe because in the USA, and elsewhere, it is different. The difference is that you can say whatever you want. But we still have some limits, look at what happened to that woman from Austria. She was condemned last month for blasphemy because she called Muhammad a pedophile.
After this case, you can see, based on the reaction, how much here in Europe; we are still not free to talk about everything, especially taboo topics. That is why the situation for ex-Muslims is dangerous.
It is dangerous for all of us. Really, I cannot imagine the future how it will be. All these things. But we still can talk and not be arrested or killed like in an Islamic country. 2 months ago, we signed a call against blasphemy law in Poland.
Jacobsen: What are some threats to freedom of expression and freedom of association in a context where people who leave religion are afraid to speak out in an honest way about their experiences?
Al-Husseini: Our threats come from Muslims more than other religions. We could be attacked in the streets and anywhere by normal Muslims. I do not necessarily mean jihad-ists.
For associations, it is also different because we get attacks by Islamic accusations in the name of Islamophobia or some organization calling themselves anti-racist and attacking us in the name of so-called ‘anti-racism.’
All just to not offend Muslims. While when you kowtow, you help moderate Islam too. But if we keep going without realizing the ills of the crisis, we will never be moderate.
Jacobsen: Why are so much fear and hostility directed at those who leave religion?
Al-Husseini: Because of losing life, and because the other options are violence, they are ready to kill you if you leave Islam. This is the most dangerous thing, especially so for ex-Muslims. And some will lose their work or their families.
Jacobsen: What are some important recent developments in the ability of ex-Muslims to express their views more freely?
Al-Husseini: Internet, social media, and YouTube are the places most ex-Muslims are able to talk about themselves freely. However, with Arabic media, they invite us just to make a show and also for the journalist to show himself as a good Muslim, and so on.
There is still a lack of knowledge about atheism or secularism because they mix both. Sometimes, they do not know what atheism is, and all their information is coming from some purported stupid old crisis of atheism.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Waleed.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 5, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/blasphemy-laws-fear-and-hostility-and-french-ex-muslims-waleed-al-husseini.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 4, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 955
Keywords: elsewhere, ex-Muslims, France, principles of opposition, secularism, speech, Waleed Al-Husseini.
The Ex-Muslim Blasphemer in France: Waleed Al-Husseini[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: As a friend and colleague, we published several interviews together on a variety of topics centered on religion and the ex-Muslim community, especially the ex-Muslim community in France and the organization founded by you: Council of Ex-Muslims of France.
Waleed Al-Husseini: Yes, and thank you for this and interviewing numerous ex-Muslims, because it is for many still very taboo. For others, it is fear in the name of not offending some Muslims.
Jacobsen: What new developments occurred for the Council of Ex-Muslims of France for 2017?
Al-Husseini: The most important thing is that we become more recognized in France and more in the media, especially talking about us and our activities. Many have joined our cause once they discover that they are not alone and have the same ideas as us. We support each other.
We improve the discussion in France about most of the Islamic issues including the hijab and what they like to call Islamophobia. So, more and more, we become a real part of this discussion about Islamic values and what Islamists are trying to pass into the secular and liberal parts of society.
I know the debates in France. It is increasing in Canada and the USA.
Jacobsen: For the Council of Ex-Muslims of France, how often do death threats come to the inboxes, or via other means, of members including yourself?
Al-Husseini: I received 5 death threats by internet today. This is a great day and nothing dangerous. It is been like that since the beginning. The easiest threats are by the internet. For me, it is not dangerous because the ones who really want to kill you will not tell you before.
The most serious things come from some Islamist organizations and sites, who post our photos to all their readers. This puts us in a very dangerous situation. For any random person, the organized Islamists ask and try to acquire our addresses.
This happened to me, personally, many times. That is why now my address is hidden and why I am taking greater care to take care of myself. For example, I simply do not travel to certain areas in Paris controlled by Muslims – Muslim areas.
This religion didn’t accept someone to go out. It didn’t accept the criticism. In 2017, only Islam and the mafia act this way.
Jacobsen: You were tortured, for several months, in a Palestinian prison by the Palestinian Authority for charges of blasphemy. I know the types and extent of the torture based on conversations with you. Do these memories resurface, at times, in personal life – of the torture?
Al-Husseini: I am always trying to forget it. It was a hard time. Most of the time for me was hard. It is the time recollected when I wrote my book Blasphemer: The Price I Paid for Rejecting Islam. I had to remember all this time with the most difficult detailing.
Now, not that much compared to some others because the victims of Islamic fundamentalism are so many; many paid their lives all over the world and have had the same as what happened to me or worse.
Jacobsen: What threats to secularism exist in France? How does the Council of Ex-Muslims of France represent a bulwark against those who wish to silence the non-religious, ex-religious, and the general formal irreligious?
Al-Husseini: Secularism in France threatens Islamists and is threatened by Islamism. The main problem for some Muslims is that they want the Islamism in place of secularism rather than secular Islam.
So, they do all that they can. They want society to accept the hijab in the name of liberty. They want limited freedom of speech and limited criticism of Islam, which comes in the form of false charges of Islamophobia and racism.
That is why, always, the Islamophobia charges, for me, are a modern fatwa: nothing else. A lot of examples are like halal food, etc. What we do to protect secularism is that we explain the ways of Islamism, show it clearly, and have a rich debate about it, we do our best to show their hypocrisy and their spokespeople for hypocrites.
We present the real hate of the Islamist imams and Islamism in general, and raising the standards of all these definitions in French society, keep the secular values out of the religious values and going forward with secularism, not back because only secularism will protect our society from civil war.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Waleed.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 4, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/the-ex-muslim-blasphemer-in-france-waleed-al-husseini.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 4, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 1,230
Keywords: apostasy, ex-Muslim, France, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Updates on Ex-Muslims in France and Elsewhere[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let’s talk about principles in opposition to one another, for example, freedom of speech and secularism versus restricted speech and theocracy (or its various tendencies). How are France’s values and your own values more in line with freedom of speech and secularism? Why are these more important to be in place rather than restricted and theocratic values seen more in Islam?
Waleed Al-Husseini: For sure, my values are more in line with French values and secularism, and a perspective on humanity that sees everyone deserving of equal rights, and is firm on the need to get religion divorced from the state.
All of these things do not exist in Islam. These things only exist when all Muslims are seen as part of humanity as a whole. When Muslims are the majority in a country, it is different than when they are the minority.
Often, secularism and freedom of speech, and similar secular values, can only be computed only within the framework of Islam and Islamic values. That is why they are asking for the defense of the hijab in the name of liberty, but then they attack criticism of Islam in the name of racism.
Although, Islam is not a race, as I explained in one of our interviews! Even the hijab is an example of slavery and second-class citizenship in society, in my opinion, it means that women are a sexual tool. It becomes one of the most important signs of Islam in politics.
The criticism of Islam is a human right, according to human rights declarations. I gave you this example to show that is how they use things, to spare Islamic values from criticism!
Jacobsen: Sharia Law can imply Sharia courts, separate and distinct from the universal laws in a secular culture for everyone. So, in effect, a dual-law system can be set in a secular society. How do these Sharia courts arise in a secular context? What can dismantle them?
Why do these separate courts violate the principles of, for instance, one law for all?
Al-Husseini: This is what happened in the UK. That is why I do not like “secularism” and prefer the term “laïcité”! With secularism, they make insular communities and everyone lets them do what they want.
I remember in 2010, maybe, one court released someone who was charged with beating his wife, because he said that it is okay to beat your wife within Islam and our religion! That is why religions should be out of the state and the public arena.
The religions should be in their places of worship! No more than this, not in courts, education, or the political and even economic spheres like the factories and goods. Even the ones with the (halal) label. Yes, this label is more proof of communitarianism, to create a mini-society inside the mother society.
Jacobsen: What will make for a more just and secular society aligned with secular morality and international ideals expressed in the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, especially for minorities within minority groups such as ex-Muslims?
Al-Husseini: The way for secularism is very long, especially in the Arabic world. It is the need built from childhood. That is why we need to stop teaching religion in schools – especially assumed as true rather than as a set of beliefs of one group or another like a world religions class – and we need to teach children secular values.
Also, we should stop telling kids about jihad and should not separate people into Muslims and non-Muslims! It provides a simplistic view of the world. Let them see all of us as humans of many stripes and shades, and types. The governments should have secularism in law and work hard for it! Because our problem is not only with the government, but even with people. For example, when the Saudi girl made a video while she was wearing a miniskirt, many people were asking to arrest her and the government did. So, the problem is in the people! Sure, it is because this is coming from the brainwashing since they are kids. We have an example of looking at what happened recently after Saudi Arabia allowed women to drive the car. People were attacking the cars of women.
Jacobsen: One more principle is the truth, or attempts at its attainment, and obscurantism, or attempts to lie or half-lie and cover the truth in some way. One obscurantist terms, one is the word, which is vague: Islamophobia.
How can truth overcome the obscurantism surrounding difficult topics in a discussion on Islam and the ex-Muslim community?
Al-Husseini: Islamophobia: this the Kalashnikov of what they call themselves ‘moderate’ (for me, moderate in Islam does not exist at all, we just have peaceful Muslims at the moment). Because, for example, there are the jihad-ists or terrorists who physically attack you, but then there are these moderates who also attack you in courts! And try to kill you when they make Islamophobia and racism look like the same and mixing all the definitions up. It is kind of a war of terms.
I talk about it in the last book I published in French! About the truth, we ex-Muslims know more about Islam and the way of Islamism. Let us talk, and hear us out! Do not attack or fight us, and then allow for our Muslim brothers who destroy their own countries to speak. So, what do you think they will do with other countries like Europe and the USA? They can open more for us to be in the media to speak and not to attack us with Islamophobia and other epithets and invectives.
They can protect those in Arabic and Islamic countries from being arrested based on using their freedom of speech. This liberty to choose. Also, inside France or these other countries for that matter, they can stop the call to kill us because this is hate speech, at a minimum: calling to have someone killed. I hope the media and people become more serious and more open-minded on this issue.
Jacobsen: Thank you for taking the time once more, Waleed. Always a pleasure, my friend.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 4, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/the-state-of-the-state-and-mosque-with-waleed-al-husseini.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 4, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,122
Keywords: believers, Islamic extremism, Leo Igwe, paradise, religions.
Islamic Extremism and Lure of Paradise[1],[2]
A paradise is one of the most powerful inventions of religions. It is a facility that religions have used to attract, hold, and control believers. A post mortem life in heaven is one of religion’s most cherished goods. It is one of the religion’s most sort-after commodities. Religions portray life in paradise as joyful, pleasurable, and blissful, as free from all suffering and pain, as bountiful and glorious, as a worthwhile pursuit. Religions present life in paradise as attractive and as the perfection of existence. As the primary abode of God/Allah, and the convention venue for all angels and saints and other benevolent celestial forces, a paradise is the localization of the hereafter, the afterlife, and the great beyond. The idea of a paradise is one of the pillars on which religions and supernatural faiths rest. All believers look forward to going to a paradise. Believers aspire to make heaven and be with God or Allah. Believers long to partake in this life of eternal bliss.
For believers, life in this world is a race to make heaven, a race from a wretched world towards a paradise in the next world. All believers want to participate in this ultimate race. No believer wants to be left out of this endeavour. No believer wants to miss the prize of eternal life with Allah.
Incidentally, paradise is not a matter of fact. Eternal life in yet-to-be-located heaven is an illusion. The idea of a paradise is a matter of belief, or better, a matter of faith. A paradise is religion’s answer, comforting answer, to death, human misery, and mortality. It removes the stoppage that death places on life in this world. The idea of a paradise in the hereafter substitutes this life’s finitude with another life’s infinitude. It provides a continuation and a consolation. The facility of a paradise soothes the pain and agony of this worldly life by literally saying: Life does not end here. Life continues in the hereafter. There is a better life somewhere, and it is a life of eternal happiness. Critically speaking, the idea of a paradise is absurd and counter-intuitive. There is no evidence that such a place exists anywhere. There is no justification that life continues after death as religions teach and preach. However, the proposition that a paradise exists in the hereafter maintains a stranglehold on the minds of believers across cultures and societies.
Given the notion that death ushers every faithful into that life of eternal bliss, the lure of a paradise is the propelling force for the existence and endurance of this life. Paradise makes believers not to see death as a frightful end to this life as we know it. Instead, for believers, death closes this world’s chapter of life and opens the next world/life’s chapter. Meanwhile, a paradise is not an automatic heritage for all humans who die, and for all believers who have embraced their mortality. To make it into a paradise, believers must qualify through their actions and deeds in this life and this world. It is at this point that the lure of a paradise intersects with good and evil deeds, compassionate and cruel acts, virtuous and criminal activities in this world. The quest to enter a paradise motivates believers to perform acts of love, selflessness, and kindness. For instance, many Muslims give alms to the poor; they feed the hungry, visit the sick in the hospital, and support elderly persons. They engage in these activities with the hope that Allah would reward them in the hereafter. Simply put, Muslims hope that these acts of kindness and love would lead to a seamless passage into a paradise.
However, the desire to inherit heaven motivates people to commit acts of evil and wickedness. The idea of an inheritable paradise makes believers accord little or no value to this life, to humanity and this world. It gets religious believers to engage in atrocities with impunity. The lure of a paradise turns believers into monsters, and vicious human beings.
The quest for a paradise is at the root of jihadist Islam and a vicious form of the Muslim faith that is terrorizing the world. It propels Muslims to carry out human sacrifice and bloodletting; suicide, genocide, fratricide, patricide, uxoricide, infanticide, and other acts of ‘man’s inhumanity to man’. Muslim zealots who are behind the arrest and detention of Mubarak Bala are aware that Bala’s post on Facebook was harmless. But they are blinded. Their minds have been polluted. These Muslims have mentally been held hostage. They are driven by the lure of a post-mortem eternal bliss and the quest to inherit 72 virgins in the hereafter.
Muslim zealots who are campaigning to kill Mubarak Bala know that murder is wrong and against the law. But the lure of a paradise has corrupted and poisoned their sense of morality, decency, and legality. Muslim clerics have indoctrinated and brainwashed young Muslims to strongly believe that a paradise is real and awaits them in the hereafter. So, they live their lives caring for nothing else and nobody else except what would make them inherit a paradise. As state actors, these brainwashed Muslims use state institutions including the police and judiciary to realize this ultimate objective. They condone injustices and perpetrate any other acts that they consider pleasing to Allah. They persecute non muslims and ex-muslims, turn a blind eye on bloodletting by muslims and enable other illegalities in the name of Islam in order to secure a place in Allah’s bosom. The path of Islamic extremism is paved with the rabid quest to inherit a paradise.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 4, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/islamic-extremism-and-lure-of-paradise.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 2, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 670
Keywords: apostasy, ex-Muslim, France, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Updates on Ex-Muslims in France and Elsewhere[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What about the pressing concerns of the moment? Miniskirts can make headlines. What are the fundamental issues right now?
Waleed Al-Husseini: The fundamentalism is the headline for this moment. What I mean in terms of fundamentalism is not only the jihad-ists who are bad, but also the miniskirts making the headlines in the media and making everything amiss in one country, this then takes over social media.
This is a fundamental issue. Every time, you will find something: summer coming soon. So, there will be people discussing the issues around the Burkini. You will continue to see these headlines that make it seem like the Dark Ages.
Exactly, Muslims in their mini-society in Europe and the USA live in the Dark Ages. They live in Arabic and Islamic countries.
Jacobsen: What about Muslim leaders who want an internal-to-Islam reformation? Is this a possibility? How far will it go?
Al-Husseini: This is our problem. Even if some Muslims need it, the population will not accept it. Last year, Jordan wanted to change the school’s lesson plans, reform it, but what happens often was people not liking this because they want to learn Sharia!
That is why even at this time it is impossible for reform in Islam. Now, it is like reform in Nazism, in their time when they have the power. Islam has the power. The religion has the connections and the money. So, it is impossible. Maybe later they can! In this time, yes, it is impossible.
Because the 1st religion to have a revolution of light was Islam in the time of Muʿtazila. That time was one of the best things about everything! Because they were looking for Quran at most as a historical document and nothing more!
So, we have problems because they believe this Quran is for every time and everywhere! For me, anyone can believe that he is a terrorist.
Jacobsen: What part can the ex-Muslim community play in the reformation of the faith and providing a safe way out for those trapped by religion and culture?
Al-Husseini: We are the reason for making many Muslims use the term moderate because of us. Because they do not accept killing us, the non-believers or ex-Muslims! We know more from the inside.
Most of us know the Quran through its original language, in Arabic, which is the strongest translation of the Quran! We know the ways of them, and will never be in these traps. We showed and explained this. We can be part of a united Muslim front, who really want to help against the fundamentalists.
And try to help our pals to be in the modern life, not stay there in the 7th century while we are in 21st.
Jacobsen: Insightful and cutting once again, my friend.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 2, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/waleed-al-husseini-on-fundamentalism-and-reform-in-islam.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,623
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Heinrich Siemens was born as a member of a Low German community in Latvia, or the former Soviet Union. His family spoke Plautdietsch and read the Luther Bible in High German. He has performed very well on HRIQ tests of Ronald K. Hoeflin, Paul Cooijmans, Jonathan Wai, Theodosis Prousalis, and others. Some results have been above 5 sigma or 5 standard deviations. He developed the Three Sonnets Test (www.tweeback.com/hriq/Three-Sonnets.pdf). A lot of his life resolves around Plautdietsch language. He is the president of the international association of speakers of the language. He founded a publishing house devoted to this language:www.tweeback.com. Siemens enjoys the philosophy of Wittgenstein in particular and the philosophy of language in general. He has a film interest directors including Bergman, Kubrick, Melville, Tarr, Tarkovsky, Tarr, von Trier. If in Plautdietsch, he enjoys films by Alexandra Kulak & Ruslan Fedotov, Carlos Reygadas, Nora Fingscheidt, and others. He discusses: Germany; Plautdietsch, German, and Russian; the origin of Plautdietsch; the Mennonite religion; family life; giftedness; Ronald K. Hoeflin, Paul Cooijmans, Jonathan Wai, Theodosis Prousalis, and some others; and Tweeback Verlag.
Keywords: Heinrich Siemens, Jonathan Wai, Luther Bible, Paul Cooijmans, Plautdietsch, Ronald K. Hoeflin, Theodosis Prousalis, Tweeback Verlag.
An Interview with Heinrich Siemens on Background and Scores (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: In Latvia, what is the cultural and socioeconomic meaning of the “Low German community”?
Heinrich Siemens: In the second half of the 18th century, when the German-born Catherine II. was Tsarina, many people from (High and Low) German-speaking countries (Germany did not yet exist) emigrated to the Russian Empire. My parents grew up in Siberia, but in the 1960s when the opportunity arose, they moved to Latvia, now part of the EU, but then part of the Soviet Union.
In our community we spoke Plautdietsch, the variety of Low German that was common in the former Soviet Union. But the Luther Bible was read in High German, the school was in Latvian and the lingua franca of the Soviet Union was Russian. I grew up with these languages. When I was 11, we emigrated to Germany.
2. Jacobsen: Why did you emigrate to Germany?
Siemens: As a German minority and as part of a religious community, we suffered great restrictions in the Soviet Union. I could not have become an academic, for example, and there was even the danger of being locked up in prison.
In the 1970s the cold war thawed a little and the possibility of emigration arose in the context of the Helsinki Accords. Many families could be reunited who had been separated for decades by the iron curtain.
3. Jacobsen: Are you trilingual now with Plautdietsch, German, and Russian?
Siemens: Yes, I feel most comfortable in these languages. There are a few more languages (including English) in which I read books or have simple conversations, but when it comes to in-depth conversations I quickly reach my limits.
4. Jacobsen: What is the origin of Plautdietsch?
Siemens: In contrast to High German, Low German has preserved the old consonants /p, t, k/ and the old monophthongs /i:, u:/, so it has not gone through the High German consonant shift and diphthongization (Pepa, Tiet, Wota, koake, Hus vs. Pfeffer, Zeit, Wasser, kochen, Haus). Consonantism is thus similar in Low German, Dutch, and English, while the long vowels /i:, u:/ are preserved only in Low German, while English, High German, and Dutch have diphthongs.
Plautdietsch is the Low German variety that was spoken between the Vistula and Nogat rivers in Poland. At that time, the Baltic Prussians (now extinct), the Slavic Kashubs and German settlers lived in this area, they all formed a Sprachbund and thus Plautdietsch was also influenced by Baltic and Slavic.
Now there are only a few Plautdietsch speakers left in Siberia, most of them have emigrated to Germany (about 200,000). There have been overseas emigrations since the 19th century, so that now there are about 100,000 speakers in North America and about 250,000 speakers in Latin America. In Europe the number of speakers is decreasing, in Latin America it is growing thanks to large families.
For about 100 years there has been a Plautdietsch literature, there are grammars and dictionaries, so that today it is a fully developed written language.
5. Jacobsen: Does the Mennonite religion still influence you? If not, why not? If so, how?
Siemens: Because my name is Heinrich, I naturally expected this Gretchenfrage 😉 (cf. Faust I by Goethe).
Mennonites differ from the other Christian religions in that they only baptize adults. I consider this principle to be very important, because everyone should decide for himself whether he wants to belong and to which religion he wants to belong. Theologically, pacifism is crucial for Mennonites, and this was also the reason for the many migrations of Mennonites: Whenever the young men were to become soldiers, the Mennonites emigrated to another country where they didn’t have to do army service.
I still share these religious principles, but I personally decided against being baptized. I belong to the cultural community of Mennonites, but not to a congregation. After careful consideration I have come to the conclusion that I want to live my life without God, maybe because of Ockham’s razor. When I see what the Bible (or other holy scriptures) and faith are misused for, I don’t want to be a part of it.
6. Jacobsen: How was family life for you? Was this reflective of many families of the time in Latvia?
Siemens: A childhood in the late 1960s and 1970s was very different from now. We played outside a lot, had no electronic gadgets yet, we lived in a three-generation household. My parents worked, we children were with the grandmother. The other families lived similarly, not only in our Low German community, but also the Latvians in our small town.
7. Jacobsen: Was giftedness noticed early for you?
Siemens: Giftedness was never an issue. Although I have always found cognitive challenges easier than many of my fellow human beings, I did not take my first test until I was 45. Today I know the international high range IQ community, but I didn’t know about it before.
8. Jacobsen: What were some of the tests by Ronald K. Hoeflin, Paul Cooijmans, Jonathan Wai, Theodosis Prousalis, and some others taken by you? What has been the full range of scores on S.D. 15? What test was the highest score for you?
Siemens: My most successful test results include the Titan test by Ronald K. Hoeflin (raw score 45/48), the Test of the Beheaded Man (33/40), the Marathon Test (108/111), both by Paul Cooijmans, many different tests and some won contests by Theodosis Prousalis, SLSE 48 (30/48) by Jonathan Wai, etc. Usually the results were beyond 5 standard deviations. The highest score was the verbal section of the Marathon Test with IQ 180 S.D. 15.
In this context, let me draw your attention to the only test I have designed: Three Sonnets (tweeback.com/hriq/Three-Sonnets.pdf). It takes some time to get into it, but if you consider that the test was published on Towel day, you have a clue. I am waiting for your submission. Have fun and dopamine release.
9. Jacobsen: Why found the publishing house Tweeback Verlag?
Siemens: The Tweeback Verlag has literature on and about Plautdietsch as its main focus. I founded it because there was no publisher in this niche yet and there were some books that needed to be published.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] 45/48 on the Titan Test by Dr. Ronald K. Hoeflin.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Heinrich Siemens on Background and Scores (Part One) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-one.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 1). An Interview with Heinrich Siemens on Background and Scores (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-one.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Heinrich Siemens on Background and Scores (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-one>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Heinrich Siemens on Background and Scores (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-one.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Heinrich Siemens on Background and Scores (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-one.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Heinrich Siemens on Background and Scores (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-one>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Heinrich Siemens on Background and Scores (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-one.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Heinrich Siemens on Background and Scores (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-one>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Heinrich Siemens on Background and Scores (Part One) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/siemens-one.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,477
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Claus Volko is an Austrian computer and medical scientist who has conducted research on the treatment of cancer and severe mental disorders by conversion of stress hormones into immunity hormones. This research gave birth to a new scientific paradigm which he called “symbiont conversion theory”: methods to convert cells exhibiting parasitic behaviour to cells that act as symbionts. In 2013 Volko, obtained an IQ score of 172 on the Equally Normed Numerical Derivation Test. He is also the founder and president of Prudentia High IQ Society, a society for people with an IQ of 140 or higher, preferably academics. He discusses: Symbiont Conversion Theory; the importance of independent theorizing; what can go wrong without critical scrutiny and peers connected to excessive defensiveness in critical scrutiny of a theory; the “destroy and kill” paradigm; inflammation seen with the Symbiont Conversion Theory; cancer and the “conversion” of systemically negative masses of cancer cells; a practical manifestation; an entirely new scientific paradigm or an adapted and transitional new scientific paradigm; the term symbionts over some other term, even a neologism; the upper limit possibilities in medical applications; inflammation; healthy ways to improve the immune system; Symbiont Conversion Theory; misinterpreted; tumour cells; the general success rate of the current chemotherapy and radiotherapy paradigm of medicine; some other relevant terminology for the re-education of the cells; and some similar ideas in other fields.
Keywords: Claus Volko, destroy and kill, independent theorizing, Symbiont Conversion Theory, tumour cells.
An Interview with Claus Volko on Symbiont Conversion Theory and More (Part Four)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Now, last time we talked, with Rick Rosner, you had a theory: Symbiont Conversion Theory. What is Symbiont Conversion Theory?
Dr. Claus Volko: Symbiont Conversion Theory is a new scientific paradigm. The basic hypothesis is that you do not have to kill cells that display parasitic behaviour but that you can re-educate, or re-program, them to become symbionts. This applies both to cancer and infectious diseases. There have already been publications showing that such a re-programming of bacteria, for example, is possible. I wrote a review article of these publications and proposed the term Symbiont Conversion Theory.
2. Jacobsen: What is the importance of independent theorizing?
Volko: A hypothesis can be called a theory as soon as evidence showing that it is true has been provided. Scientists should come up with many hypotheses, it is the basis of their work.
3. Jacobsen: What can go wrong without critical scrutiny and peers connected to excessive defensiveness in critical scrutiny of a theory?
Volko: As said, a hypothesis is a theory as soon as evidence has been provided. It is possible to falsify a hypothesis by providing counter-examples. That can also be done as soon as the hypothesis has become a theory. In case of Symbiont Conversion Theory, however, this theory is based on an existential statement: It is possible to re-educate parasitic cells. As I told you when we discussed Popper, existential statements cannot be disproven.
4. Jacobsen: Why is the “destroy and kill” paradigm regarding cancer insufficient at the present moment?
Volko: Because of the side-effects chemotherapy and radiotherapy have. They also kill healthy tissue and because they are based on mechanisms that initiate mutations, they can cause cancer themselves.
5. Jacobsen: How is inflammation seen with the Symbiont Conversion Theory?
Volko: Inflammation is a reaction of the immune system that has advantages and disadvantages for the patient. In general, we would like to strengthen the immune system but not by means of inflammation, as it damages tissue.
6. Jacobsen: How would this theory apply to cancer and the “conversion” of systemically negative masses of cancer cells into systemically positive masses of cancer?
Volko: The idea is to reprogram tumour cells so that they do not consume more than other cells and work as functional tissue.
7. Jacobsen: What would be a practical manifestation of this?
Volko: Re-educating parasitic cells instead of killing them would be a revolutionary thing to do. With cancer, it would possibly lead to a cure more often than traditional chemotherapy and radiotherapy.
8. Jacobsen: More precisely, is it an entirely new scientific paradigm or an adapted and transitional new scientific paradigm?
Volko: It is an entirely new scientific paradigm. There has been no paradigm stating that parasites could be educated.
9. Jacobsen: Why use the term symbionts over some other term, even a neologism?
Volko: I use the term symbionts because this is exactly what it is all about: converting parasites into symbionts. While parasites make use of the host organism and have a detrimental effect on it, symbionts live in the state of symbiosis with the host organism so that both sides profit from this symbiosis.
10. Jacobsen: What would be the upper limit possibilities in medical applications for this particular form of treatment involving Symbiont Conversion Theory?
Volko: Probably parasitic and bacterial infections as well as cancer could be treated.
11. Jacobsen: How does inflammation damage tissue?
Volko: At medical school we learn that the stages of inflammation are “rubor, calor, dolor, functio laesa” (these are Latin words). The last term, “functio laesa”, means that the functionality of the tissue gets lost.
12. Jacobsen: What, typically, are normal, healthy ways to improve the immune system?
Volko: Commonly it is recommended to do sports to boost the immune system, and to eat vitamins.
13. Jacobsen: How could Symbiont Conversion Theory be misinterpreted?
Volko: Tumour cells form because of spontaneous mutations. The immune system usually detects these mutations and removes the spurious cells. If the immune system does not succeed in doing so, cancer may arise.
14. Jacobsen: Why do tumour cells form?
Volko: Tumour cells form because of spontaneous mutations. The immune system usually detects these mutations and removes the spurious cells. If the immune system does not succeed in doing so, cancer may arise.
15. Jacobsen: What is the general success rate of the current chemotherapy and radiotherapy paradigm of medicine? Has this been improving or stagnating in its success rate?
Volko: Read about this in medical textbooks. In general, the success rate has been slightly improving because of new treatments, but it is far from being optimal.
16. Jacobsen: What would be some other relevant terminology for the re-education of the cells?
Volko: Some speak of reprogramming.
17. Jacobsen: What are some similar ideas in other fields?
Volko: Harvard Medical School coined the term “Modify and Repair” for the treatment of cancer by converting tumour cells to functional tissue.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-four; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Claus Volko on Symbiont Conversion Theory and More (Part Four) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-four.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 1). An Interview with Claus Volko on Symbiont Conversion Theory and More (Part Four). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-four.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Claus Volko on Symbiont Conversion Theory and More (Part Four). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-four>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Claus Volko on Symbiont Conversion Theory and More (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-four.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Claus Volko on Symbiont Conversion Theory and More (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-four.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Claus Volko on Symbiont Conversion Theory and More (Part Four)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-four>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Claus Volko on Symbiont Conversion Theory and More (Part Four)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-four.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Claus Volko on Symbiont Conversion Theory and More (Part Four).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-four>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Claus Volko on Symbiont Conversion Theory and More (Part Four) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-four.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,949
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anthony Sepulveda scored 174 (S.D.15) on Cosmic and is a member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: life; death; the meaning of life; boundary for the meaning of life; spiritual or natural entities; realization of the finitude of life; the idea of a soul; high intelligence; in the context of the contemplation of death; a cancer test; the priorities in life; a cancer diagnosis; feeling about it; the purpose of life; hopes moving forward; the type of cancer; a bucket list; legacy; the knowledge day-to-day; the baseline things that matter now; and religious beliefs and adherence to certainty in an afterlife.
Keywords: Anthony Sepulveda, cancer, death, life.
An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Life and Death (Part Two)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Hey Anthony! Let’s talk about life and death. First, some rapid-fire questions followed by some longer questions, we can then move into personal questions. What is life to you?
Anthony Sepulveda (Brown): Life is a pretty vague term. Ideally, it would be defined by its correlation with consciousness. But we can’t really be certain.
2. Jacobsen: What is death to you?
Sepulveda (Brown): Death occurs when the physiological processes of an organism fail and revert to purely physical ones.
3. Jacobsen: What is the meaning of life to you?
Sepulveda (Brown): It’s such a bizarre question. Meaning implies intent beyond simple existence and likely cannot be conclusively clarified beyond a subject’s nature. For example, if philosophers were to examine a carburetor with the intent of divining the meaning of its existence, two groups would likely form – one with the intent of determining its purpose by relating its design to known scientific facts, while the other squabbled over how it exists at all. It’s my belief that the purpose (not the meaning) of life in any form is to survive, procreate, explore, have fun and be happy, in that order. But those of the latter group would be unsatisfied with that answer because they never accept simple answers. In truth, what they really want is to fully understand the epistemic nature of God and the Grand Design. And it’s probably never occurred to them that our limited powers of cognition may be completely inept in the face of such a problem.
4. Jacobsen: Does the fact of, at least, physical death provide a context for finality of the body, at a minimum, and, therefore, a boundary for meaning of life to take place?
Sepulveda (Brown): No, meaning is assigned to whole groups more accurately than individuals
5. Jacobsen: Are human beings fundamentally spiritual or natural entities?
Sepulveda (Brown): All processes are natural.
6. Jacobsen: What do you think science and philosophy clearly show about human nature? Or, what is human nature?
Sepulveda (Brown): Deterministic.
7. Jacobsen: When it comes to one’s realization of the finitude of life for others and oneself, what does this do to the sense of one’s total amount of time in life?
Sepulveda (Brown): It accentuates the line between life and death and, in my case, at least, exaggerates one’s priorities.
8. Jacobsen: Does the idea of a soul make any sense to you?
Sepulveda (Brown): Not in the traditional sense that it is connected to yet, somehow, separate from our physical self.
9. Jacobsen: A good mind, a rational one, can help with the establishment of a longer, healthier life on average, but cannot stave of physical death. It’s a fact of life. Death is coming our way. What does high intelligence mean in the context of the contemplation of death?
Sepulveda (Brown): I’m not sure that intelligence has much impact on one’s perspective when it comes to mortality. I’ve met many people across a wide spectrum of intellectual and creative ability and haven’t yet found a correlation between individual ability and personal opinion. Some are religious, some aren’t. Many are certain of their opinions, others, including myself, admit to their ignorance on the subject. I believe the that any difference of opinion is due to the relatively unique combination of experiences we’ve cultivated throughout our lives and that, since death is the ultimate unknown factor, we can never truly be certain of any processes that occur to any non-physical part of ourselves after death.
10. Jacobsen: Now, if we move into more personal materials, your friend had a cancer test. What is the story leading up to it?
Sepulveda (Brown): Actually, it was me that underwent a cancer screening. (Pretext for those reading – In part one, I was asked about important life experiences. I neglected to mention my cancer testing because telling the story in it’s entirety could have potentially had a negative effect on someone I care about greatly, She and I discussed this after the publication of my first interview and she assured me that she would not be effected by it’s release). As for the story itself, I found a lump in a place that should never ever have one late one night (around 10 PM). After the initial shock, I didn’t know what to do. The only action I felt certain of was to contact my best friend, Tango. Not to tell her of my unfortunate discovery (I kept it to myself until after I’d received the negative test results), but simply to tell her how much she meant to me.
11. Jacobsen: How does this test change the priorities in life?
Sepulveda (Brown): Profoundly. Prior to it, I, likely, would have focused on the long term effects of my actions. Now, I’m much more concerned with my overall satisfaction before death.
12. Jacobsen: How does a cancer diagnosis reorient the timeline of a life?
Sepulveda (Brown): It exaggerates your priorities exponentially.
13. Jacobsen: How are you feeling about it?
Sepulveda (Brown): Now, I’m grateful for it. It forced me to face my own mortality and determine what is truly important. Ultimately, I believe that life overall will move inexorably towards it’s eventual conclusion. So it doesn’t matter what I do or accomplish. So I may as well focus on whatever goal I want, no matter the consequences.
14. Jacobsen: What is the purpose of a life in the context of a shortened life, knowing about it, and seeing that one’s life will be cut far more short than others?
Sepulveda (Brown): As I said, facing that distinction exaggerates your opinions. Whatever the test results, I was determined to live my fullest life.
15. Jacobsen: What are your hopes moving forward in the context of the earlier, potentially, loss of a loved, and cared for, one?
Sepulveda (Brown): Hope is a bad word for me and I try my best not to rely upon it. But my ultimate goal is to understand my position in the game of life and attain as much personal satisfaction as I can with what options are open to me.
16. Jacobsen: What is the type of cancer?
Sepulveda (Brown): Nonexistent. The tests confirmed that it was a cyst, thankfully.
17. Jacobsen: Do you have a bucket list?
Sepulveda (Brown): I do. Would you like to know what’s on it?
18. Jacobsen: Have you thought much more about legacy? If so, what kinds or levels of it?
Sepulveda (Brown): Not really. I’m over 30 years old and single at the time of this interview, so having kids of my own is becoming an increasingly unappealing option. Luckily, I’m quite content with my status as an uncle to an amazing little girl I love dearly and spend as much time as I can with.
19. Jacobsen: How do you cope with the knowledge day-to-day?
Sepulveda (Brown): By trying my damnedest to live without regret. After securing my priorities, I explore every avenue that interests me without stressing on long term effects.
20. Jacobsen: What are the baseline things that matter now – with the additional clarity?
Sepulveda (Brown): Family, friends and fun. Many members of the High IQ Community believe that our inherent abilities predispose us the responsibility to use it to benefit society. I disagree because I believe that human evolution will inevitably head towards the same destination no matter what I do. Someone will come up with the next big idea, others will support it and it’s effects will spread as far as they can. The data for said idea is simply waiting to be gathered in the interim. It’s just a matter of time before someone finds it.
21. Jacobsen: Do you think many religious beliefs and adherence to certainty in an afterlife is to assuage and comfort a fear of an apparent finality of physical death?
Sepulveda (Brown): Yes. I believe that people find comfort in the idea that the essence of who they are is a unique, singular thing (soul, consciousness, life force, etc.) that will exist in some stable state forever. But the idea of an afterlife (especially an infinite one) doesn’t make sense when you think about it logically. No matter the size of a site (physical or metaphysical), it will have a finite boundary. This implies that Heaven, Hell or any other post-death place of existence either cannot hold the potentially endless number of souls sent there unless there is a place for them to go once that boundary is reached. With this in mind, the only option that makes sense to me is reincarnation. Beyond that, however, I’m not sure that anything can be determined without some very unusual and, undoubtedly, unethical scientific experiments.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-two; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Life and Death (Part Two) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-two.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 1). An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Life and Death (Part Two). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-two.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Life and Death (Part Two). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-two>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Life and Death (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-two.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Life and Death (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-two.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Life and Death (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-two>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Life and Death (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-two.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Life and Death (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-two>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Life and Death (Part Two) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-two.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
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ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Rick Rosner and I conduct a conversational series entitled Ask A Genius on a variety of subjects through In-Sight Publishing on the personal and professional website for Rick. This series with Erik and Christian build in this idea. Erik Haereid earned a score at 185, on the N-VRA80. He is an expert in Actuarial Sciences. Christian Sorensen earned a score at 185+, i.e., at least 186, on the WAIS. He is an expert in philosophy. Both scores on a standard deviation of 15. A sigma of ~5.67 for Erik – a general intelligence rarity of 1 in 136,975,305 – and a sigma of ~5.67+ for Christian – a general intelligence rarity of more than 1 in 136,975,305. Neither splitting hairs nor a competition here; we agreed to a discussion, hopefully, for the edification of the audience here. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population. This amounts to a joint interview or conversation with Christian Sorensen, Erik Haereid, and myself.
Keywords: Christian Sorensen, Erik Haereid, philosophy.
Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Foundations of Philosophical Concepts (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I want to set a groundwork on paradoxes, the impossible, the possible, the actual and the potential, the contradictory and the non-contradictory, mysteries versus problems, the paraconsistent versus the consistent versus the inconsistent, the complete versus the incomplete, the reductionistic versus the emergentistic, the deterministic versus the indeterministic, the statistical versus the non-probabilistic, ideal versus image, so on. Maybe, we can proceed in this ordering. Unless, either has a preference in a direction based on the suggestions here. Some more straightforward questions here: What defines a paradox?
Christian Sorensen: It could be said, that a paradox is equivalent to saying, that it is to enter with the one that is of them, for going out with the one that is of us. It is an expression that strictly speaking, is contrary to logic, but nevertheless its deep meaning and the effect it causes are logical.
Erik Haereid: It’s a part of our perception that cannot be explained. It’s a logically self-contradiction. It hides information we need to understand. It’s a mental spark; an invitation to critical thinking and mental evolvement.
Jacobsen: What defines the impossible?
Sorensen: The possibility that what could make a certain thing be what it would be, actually is something that doesn’t exists.
Haereid: The impossible is what is absolutely impossible. It’s the ultimate impossibility, beyond paradoxes, difficulties, what we don’t understand and beyond any obstacle that seems impossible to overcome; it’s not what we think and feel is impossible, but what really is impossible. Practically, the impossible, for humans, is where we think it is so; when we can’t see any way out or solution to it. When we give up.
It’s a theoretical quantity; we don’t know if anything is impossible. You can say that it’s impossible that I am in both Canada and Norway at the same moment, just now, physically. But we don’t know that for sure. We feel sure, we experience it as certain, but that’s perceptions and how we see things.
Jacobsen: What defines the possible?
Sorensen: The presence of both necessary and sufficient reasons, and the presence of sufficient reason alone.
Haereid: We can’t know if not everything is possible. Everything could theoretically be possible. We are sure that not everything is possible, but that’s not a proof.
It’s pragmatic claiming something to be impossible and possible. Then the impossible is defined as what we think and experience as impossible, and the possible what we experience as possible. Possibility has therefore to do with what we can experience, imagine and predict at a given moment. I think the Sumerians six thousand years ago thought it was impossible that human could travel into Space, to other celestial bodies. But we are sure about that they couldn’t travel into Space at that time. Strictly that is also a perception, our human experience. So, defining the possible and impossible practically, we have to limit it to what we humans experience and percept.
Jacobsen: What defines the actual and the potential?
Sorensen: The presence or not of existence.
Haereid: The actual is what we percept as real, our experiences, either via our senses as sensed or thoughts as thought. Reality is perceived phenomena. A thought about a house and garden is real as a subjective thought, an image. If you see a house and a garden, you percept it as an experience; sense perceptions are real for you. If you hallucinate, you don’t know until another person put you into doubt by telling you that your view or perception is wrong; there are no house nor garden there in front of you. If many people agree disagreeing in your perception, then you agree that you hallucinate. But no one can say if you or the others are hallucinating. It’s impossible to tell. Therefore, objectivity is an agreement, compromises, manipulation, brainwashing, a unifying of several subjective experiences of actuality. You can’t even say that we can trust that our logical system is right or represents the truth, reality. We rely on that, but we have to doubt what we trust in; not to confuse us but to develop towards what is an increasing and better truth, as on a Hegelian dialectic path.
The potential is what can happen, more or less probable and possible. Every event in the Universe has been a potential, a former state in an ongoing development. Everything that humans think can happen, is a potential.
Jacobsen: What defines the contradictory and the non-contradictory?
Sorensen: The copulative and disjunctive union between being and not being.
Haereid: The contradictory is everything else from whatever; opposites. If X, then “Everything else than X” is the contradictory. The thesis’ antithesis. A conflict. Friction. Change. Development. Evolution. As long as there are contradictions, there are something perceivable. When there are no more contradictions, we have reached the end of everything.
One could say that black is the contradiction to white, but also that red, blue, yellow etc. is contradictions to white, because all those colors are in the contradiction set “not-white”.
In logic: If the proposition “The Earth is flat” is false, then the proposition is a contradiction. The knowledge that the Earth is spherical, is based on that contradiction; conflict, evolution, development, change.
Jacobsen: What defines mysteries versus problems?
Sorensen: The fact that problems, certainly admit the possibility of an answer, while mysteries do not.
Haereid: Mysteries make us curious, while problems make us anxious. Mysteries are unknown situations not necessary to solve. Problems are serious, crucial; necessary to solve to fulfill our needs.
Problems are unwanted or at least problematic, mysteries are welcome. We create mysteries as exercise for solving problems.
Jacobsen: What defines the paraconsistent versus the consistent versus the inconsistent?
Sorensen: Respectively the tolerance to inconsistency, the property through which it is not possible to deduce a contradiction, and the fallacy by means of which an argument seems valid when it is not.
Haereid: Exoteric spoken: The consistent can exist as true at the same time and place. It’s different entities X and Y that both are true; not contradictory. In harmony. Logical. The inconsistent lack consistency; it’s either contradictory or it’s some irrational or wrong issues in it. The paraconsistent has to do with tolerance and acceptance for inconsistency.
Jacobsen: What defines the complete versus the incomplete?
Sorensen: The one and the absence or presence of the lack.
Haereid: The complete is the theoretical end, perfection, absolute knowledge, where all questions are answered and every little hidden unrevealed truth is revealed; when it’s nothing left to answer. The End. It’s the end of every task. It’s also finishing a work, a meal, or any other closure.
The incomplete is where we always have been and always will be; in the realm of wondering, frustration, curiosity, estimations…it’s the daily stress. It’s as mental as completeness. It’s a feeling, an experience of never doing enough, never entering the finish line. It’s being at work, planning, running, living without resting.
Jacobsen: What defines the reductionistic versus the emergentistic?
Sorensen: Metaphor and synergy.
Haereid: By the reductionistic we mean that every entity can be explained by its components. Even though water is something else than hydrogen and oxygen, it can be explained by those two components. A reductionistic question is if thoughts could be explained by physical components in the brain.
By the emergentistic we mean that even though the entity is composed by something, it transforms into something else than the sum of its components. It evolves beyond the product or sum of each part it consists of.
Jacobsen: What defines the deterministic versus the indeterministic?
Sorensen: Destiny and chance.
Haereid: Does the Universe evolve after some stringent rule, or by chance? We talk about deterministic if we don’t have any power to influence ourselves or the environment; we don’t have a free will, no responsibility; whatever we do or happens around us is predetermined, following some rules. Everything has a cause.
Something is indeterministic if it’s unpredictable; we can change the environment, our actions have meanings and we are responsible. If our actions don’t have a cause, we are both free and responsible. If everything has a cause, we are confined in a life where freedom is an illusion; even though we feel that what we do are results from a free will, it’s not.
Jacobsen: What defines the statistical versus the non-probabilistic?
Sorensen: The fact whether the difference is due to chance or not.
Haereid: It’s about degrees of probability for events to happen. If something is unlikely or mathematical impossible to happen, the probability is zero and we have a non-probabilistic situation. If there is some probability for anything to occur, we can measure it mathematically in one way or the other. Then we could call it statistical. I guess this is it.
Jacobsen: What defines ideal versus image?
Sorensen: Immateriality through timelessness, and materiality by means of temporality.
Haereid: Image is a representation of something, an attempt to copy or describe something else, that is not present. A picture. A projection. What is present could be sense perceptions; sensations. An image could also be a projection, e.g. a text or a painting, of e.g. a mental image.
Ideal is a perfect goal. Something we aim for. A benchmark. It differs from image in that it’s not real in any way, just a plan or a wish, while image is real in the sense of a representation, a mask or picture or text or painting.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Christian is a Philosopher that comes from Belgium. What identifies him the most and above all is simplicity, for everything is better with “vanilla flavour.” Perhaps, for this reason, his intellectual passion is criticism and irony, in the sense of trying to reveal what “hides behind the mask,” and give birth to the true. For him, ignorance and knowledge never “cross paths.” What he likes the most in his leisure time, is to go for a walk with his wife.
Erik Haereid has been a member of Mensa since 2013, and is among the top scorers on several of the most credible IQ-tests in the unstandardized HRT-environment. He is listed in the World Genius Directory. He is also a member of several other high IQ Societies.
Erik, born in 1963, grew up in Oslo, Norway, in a middle class home at Grefsen nearby the forest, and started early running and cross country skiing. After finishing schools he studied mathematics, statistics and actuarial science at the University of Oslo. One of his first glimpses of math-skills appeared after he got a perfect score as the only student on a five hour math exam in high school.
He did his military duty in His Majesty The King’s Guard (Drilltroppen)).
Impatient as he is, he couldn’t sit still and only studying, so among many things he worked as a freelance journalist in a small news agency. In that period, he did some environmental volunteerism with Norges Naturvernforbund (Norwegian Society for the Conservation of Nature), where he was an activist, freelance journalist and arranged ‘Sykkeldagen i Oslo’ twice (1989 and 1990) as well as environmental issues lectures. He also wrote some crime short stories in A-Magasinet (Aftenposten (one of the main newspapers in Norway), the same paper where he earned his runner up (second place) in a nationwide writing contest in 1985. He also wrote several articles in different newspapers, magazines and so on in the 1980s and early 1990s.
He earned an M.Sc. degree in Statistics and Actuarial Sciences in 1991, and worked as an actuary novice/actuary from 1987 to 1995 in several Norwegian Insurance companies. He was the Academic Director (1998-2000) of insurance at the BI Norwegian Business School (1998-2000), Manager (1997-1998) of business insurance, life insurance, and pensions and formerly Actuary (1996-1997) at Nordea in Oslo Area, Norway, a self-employed Actuary Consultant (1996-1997), an Insurance Broker (1995-1996) at Assurance Centeret, Actuary (1991-1995) at Alfa Livsforsikring, novice Actuary (1987-1990) at UNI Forsikring.
In 1989 he worked in a project in Dallas with a Texas computer company for a month incorporating a Norwegian pension product into a data system. Erik is specialized in life insurance and pensions, both private and business insurances. From 1991 to 1995 he was a main part of developing new life insurance saving products adapted to bank business (Sparebanken NOR), and he developed the mathematics behind the premiums and premium reserves.
He has industry experience in accounting, insurance, and insurance as a broker. He writes in his IQ-blog the online newspaper Nettavisen. He has personal interests among other things in history, philosophy and social psychology.
In 1995, he moved to Aalborg in Denmark because of a Danish girl he met. He worked as an insurance broker for one year, and took advantage of this experience later when he developed his own consultant company.
In Aalborg, he taught himself some programming (Visual Basic), and developed an insurance calculation software program which he sold to a Norwegian Insurance Company. After moving to Oslo with his girlfriend, he was hired as consultant by the same company to a project that lasted one year.
After this, he became the Manager of business insurance in the insurance company Norske Liv. At that time he had developed and nurtured his idea of establishing an actuarial consulting company, and he did this after some years on a full-time basis with his actuarial colleague. In the beginning, the company was small. He had to gain money, and worked for almost two years as an Academic Director of insurance at the BI Norwegian Business School.
Then the consultant company started to grow, and he quitted BI and used his full time in NIA (Nordic Insurance Administration). This was in 1998/99, and he has been there since.
NIA provides actuarial consulting services within the pension and life insurance area, especially towards the business market. They was one of the leading actuarial consulting companies in Norway through many years when Defined Benefit Pension Plans were on its peak and companies needed evaluations and calculations concerning their pension schemes and accountings. With the less complex, and cheaper, Defined Contribution Pension Plans entering Norway the last 10-15 years, the need of actuaries is less concerning business pension schemes.
Erik’s book from 2011, Benektelse og Verdighet, contains some thoughts about our superficial, often discriminating societies, where the virtue seems to be egocentrism without thoughts about the whole. Empathy is lacking, and existential division into “us” and “them” is a mental challenge with major consequences. One of the obstacles is when people with power – mind, scientific, money, political, popularity – defend this kind of mind as “necessary” and “survival of the fittest” without understanding that such thoughts make the democracies much more volatile and threatened. When people do not understand the genesis of extreme violence like school killings, suicide or sociopathy, asking “how can this happen?” repeatedly, one can wonder how smart man really is. The responsibility is not limited to let’s say the parents. The responsibility is everyone’s. The day we can survive, mentally, being honest about our lives and existence, we will take huge leaps into the future of mankind.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Foundations of Philosophical Concepts (Part One) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-one.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 1). Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Foundations of Philosophical Concepts (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-one.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Foundations of Philosophical Concepts (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-one>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Foundations of Philosophical Concepts (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-one.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Foundations of Philosophical Concepts (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-one.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Foundations of Philosophical Concepts (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-one>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Foundations of Philosophical Concepts (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-one.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Foundations of Philosophical Concepts (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-one>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. Ask Two Geniuses: Conversation with Christian Sorensen and Erik Haereid on Foundations of Philosophical Concepts (Part One) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/haereid-sorensen-one.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,667
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dr. Giuseppe Corrente is a Computer Science teacher at Torino University. He earned a Ph.D. in Science and High Technology – Computer Science in 2013 at Torino University. He has contributed to the World Intelligence Network’s publication Phenomenon. He discusses: sentimentalism; becoming a more complete and integrated individual; mobbing; most sentimental things; Positive Disintegration Theory; how the mobbing took place; the most painful experience a human being can encounter; the psychology behind mob violence; and the main lesson in the importance of endurance in the Positive Disintegration theory of giftedness
Keywords: endurance, gifted, Giuseppe Corrente, Italy, H.L. Mencken, mobbing, Positive Disintegration Theory, sentimentalism.
An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Sentimentalism, Mobbing, and Endurance (Part Six)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Sentimentalism, to take a cue from the great American satirist and journalist, and skeptic, H.L. Mencken, is the main fault of main alongside vanity as these become the central bane of women externally while distinct realism – as the supreme realists of the race – become the self-limits or faults of women internally. You noted a personal sentimental life to me. This seems quintessentially manly and common to most or all men, as vanity is common to all men. A congenital hangover of the assumed power and prestige in societies. Why self-describe as sentimental as a starter?
Giuseppe Corrente: I am not known to be sentimental for most parts of my life, when the rationalism was predominant in me. But during the decades these two parts of me equilibrated themselves, and now I am more conscious of my emotions than before.
2. Jacobsen: How has the sentimentalism been an important part of becoming a more complete and integrated individual throughout personal evolution in life for you?
Corrente: My tormented youthfulness was negative for some aspects, but also a good thing for knowledge of the true values. And when I knew better myself, I was surprised to be sentimental other than a rationalist. Surely an important impact in my life was the women, was there that sentimentalism in me had a strong impulse and I saw the world with different eyes. And this surprised me, as a mysterious other me that I discovered for the first time.
3. Jacobsen: You were mobbed. How were these difficulties important in the development of a firmer sense of self?
Corrente: Which does not kill you, enforces you. It is a common opinion. With time, patience and willingness, it becomes also true.
4. Jacobsen: What makes you most sentimental?
Corrente: Animals and wildlife. I think that who doesn’t respect animals and nature cannot be a good man. I am a member and a fan of Greenpeace. This type of sentimentalism has been with me since birth. As already said, the other great passion for me, since my twenties, has been the women. There was almost three periods of my life that they dominated fully my thoughts, during my twenties, middle thirties and forty years old.
5. Jacobsen: How does the aforementioned Positive Disintegration theory present an insight into personal evolution through more deep visions of self and the world with mobbing, etc.?
Corrente: Second, the Positive Disintegration theory, the conflicts and the feeling of the injustices of the common world can stimulate more deep visions of ourselves and of the world. To be attacked can transform one’s motivations based only or mainly on biological needs to some based on self-determined values essentially chosen by ourselves for the common good rather than an egoistic point of view.
6. Jacobsen: How were you mobbed?
Corrente: When I was a child my father knew that I was not really his natural son. He, from an external point of view, was exigent but correct, instead, my life was frequently hit by his psychic violence; we were obliged to obey him in all our choices, otherwise, he placed me in very intricate and offensive misunderstandings, often only to punish me. When other people saw that they thought he was in reason, or because he presented the things in a different way or simply because in the mindset of time if a father punishes a child there is ever a valid reason. His real motivation was that I was not his son and that he didn’t accept my intelligence and also my mother’s secret past. This was the beginning of a lot of misunderstanding and I was mobbed in a different and stronger way also in some job places, using the familiar conflict as a starting point, but after being attacked for questions very different from the basic facts. BACK TO FACTS: these are the words that I would like to have declared. And effectively I did, but uselessly. The mobbing is a plague that grows with layers, calumny is its strongest arm, and it can be crushing in a man’s life.
7. Jacobsen: What do you consider the most painful experience a human being can encounter?
Corrente: To not be recognized as a human being. Slaves feel this. All conditions that carry you near to be totally without a real freedom are devastating. Racism is so. Homophobia is so. Bullying is so. Mobbing is so. Mafia and camorra power are so for their victims. All these forms of violence can potentially kill yourself and all that is gown around you. They can transform in a second your life, all your life, not only you, in zero.
8. Jacobsen: How does this most painful experience for a human being compare to the experience of mobbing to you? What is the psychology behind mob violence against an individual? What is the internal, individual psychology of individuals who have gone through the mobbing by others within a community?
Corrente: When the mobbing reaches its peak, the personal feeling is not limited, you have the feeling to be a slave, that your life is in other’s hands, so in that moment, in those instants, your story and the most painful are in your mind the same thing. Between me and Jesus in that moment there is no distance, I am sacrificed with no justice: each time a single man is mobbed, for a second, God is dead in his own mind. He thinks that God is dead for all humanity. Everyone is his enemy, he is without defensive arms. Above all if he has no fault, it is the standard case in the mobbing, if he cannot in successive weeks and months contrast that situation, in himself by abstract and against his enemy with letters and advocates, and with doctors for his health, that experience will become a way towards a violent reaction, against himself or the others, a way towards the death. So I think: when there is a mobbing MUST be a reaction and better a reaction with advocates and doctors than by other means. Instead from the mobber’s point of view more the victim is clever and strong in his own results, more he has the right, in his distorted opinion, to do violence against the victim, psychologically and physically. So the paradox of mobbing is that it hits very often gifted and talented people.
9. Jacobsen: What is the main lesson in the importance of endurance in the Positive Disintegration theory of giftedness?
Corrente: In the Positive Disintegration theory of giftedness there are various levels that one has to overcome and each level has its barriers. So endurance is of fundamental importance. To clarify here I prefer to cite Edison: “Genius is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration”. So endurance is the ingredient that permits you to earn something on all steps done along your own path.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Ph.D. (2013), Science and High Technology – Computer Science, Torino University.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-six; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Sentimentalism, Mobbing, and Endurance (Part Six) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-six.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 1). An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Sentimentalism, Mobbing, and Endurance (Part Six). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-six.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Sentimentalism, Mobbing, and Endurance (Part Six). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-six>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Sentimentalism, Mobbing, and Endurance (Part Six).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-six.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Sentimentalism, Mobbing, and Endurance (Part Six).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-six.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Sentimentalism, Mobbing, and Endurance (Part Six)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-six>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Sentimentalism, Mobbing, and Endurance (Part Six)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-six.
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Abstract
Marios Sophia Prodromou is a member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: the “Rat King”; other names; Caelestis; Spade; Draco; preferred name; meanings; the meaning of “Rat” and “King” in “Rat King”; feel hated by “most people”; other animal examples than a rat; the queens; a queen; the best minds; one name; degree and manner of different; the more explicit reference to lightness and darkness; the meaning of light; the origin and meaning of the name Marios Sophia Prodromou; John the Baptist; the Virgin Mary; the forms of parenting; family history and development as a Cypriot; the values of Scottish society; the values of Cypriot society; modern Scottish and Cypriot society; being a Cypriot; Turkey; Turkish mistakes; innocents; Erdogan’s attempt at recreation or reconsolidation of the (Neo-)Ottoman Empire through a Turkish expansionism; Greece; Greek mistakes; the Greeks obsessed with money; My Big Fat Greek Wedding; 6-sigma, or even 5-sigma, people within the high-IQ community; being introverted; no desire to interact with other high-range people, “really”; the discovery of giftedness; some other tests; the societal view of giftedness in Cyprus; other media opportunities; programs on television; “Prince Show”; the purpose; “With Love Christina”; nervous in both appearances; desire or want to be a somebody rather than a “nobody”; knowledge and Sophia; Greeks with an obsession on money; Sophia and knowledge; a real genius; a faux genius; more real geniuses or faux geniuses; people who fake striving to be a nobody while being a somebody as their main goal; some work pursuits; mental coaching; pressure for pupils; how much faster for most of the pupils; some of the basic strategies; some of the intermediate strategies; common, uncommon, and rare personality styles of the children; intellectual issues; public and private intellectuals; some educational attainments; social philosophy; political philosophy; economic philosophy; favourite philosopher; religious/non-religious philosophy; being balanced; kind of God; the argument for this God; the evidence for this God; most people’s hearts; fairness; justice; a single term, even a neologism, covering the idea of fairness and justice in unison; a supernatural order, a natural order, or both; definition of paranormal, supernatural, metaphysical, and natural, material, and physical in this context; the precise meaning of the idea of a paranormal “experience”; a paranormal experience; ethical philosophy; worldview; the British background influence the personal perception of the Cypriot society; inspiring kids; “tough”; alone; a member of “World Genius Directory, Prometheus, Mensa International, Epimetheus, GENIUS Umbrella Organization, sPIqr, Vertex, Grand IQ Society, Tetra, GOTHIQ, LEVIATHAN 160, Triple Nine Society, HELLIQ, The Glia Society, UBERIQ, TENIQ and many others”; societies; most reliable in providing a social and intellectual space over a long period of time for members; one spent the most time interacting with if at all; becoming a person of a value versus becoming a person of success; value less fungible than money in some fundamental sense; Madonna right, after all, but for everyone rather than just “girls”; success; value; common notions of success amongst the Greeks other than making lots and lots of money; kind of values must one have to make the “value” of “making an impact on your community”; esotericism and symbology; the Dudeist philosophy; Dudeism; open-minded; to be “everywhere”; the public alternative religious and philosophical groups; some characteristics of the secret groups without precise details of them; work or worked as a postal officer; working on some intellectual problem; the parts that are non-secretive and esoteric; kind of self-improvement; a small capacity of the brain; more men in the high-IQ societies than the women; the smartest person in history; Tesla; some of the smartest people alive now; Musk; Gates; Trump; religion and theology; faith; “ancient and secret esoteric knowledge”; kinds of symbols; the main symbols; the truth; thoughts on atheism; thoughts on theism; thoughts on agnosticism; mainly learned from purported secret esoteric knowledge; some hints or indications as to the purpose of life; changes in life; why pursue this course in life; how we know it’s ancient knowledge; those who simply cannot ‘take your word for it’; the unseen and rather a hallucination; unsatisfying and akin to a non-answer; Greek Orthodox Church; more wrong or more rights as a theology; forced and inertia-based belief in Greek Orthodox Christianity; their image of the nature of world, human beings, and the relations of human beings to one another and the world; creativity; intelligence; intuition; intuition truly a form of intelligence or more a subjectively formalized, experientially developed sensibility about life and its meanderings; genius; purpose of having ancient esoteric secret knowledge in the first place; idea as to authorship of the inscription; Mount Athos; “ancient knowledge”; the freemasons; the organization make most of them pawns; The Church of Satan, First Satanic Church, The Satanic Temple, Luciferianism, Order of Nine Angles, or the Temple of Set; The Church of Satan; First Satanic Church; The Satanic Temple; Luciferianism; Order of Nine Angles; the Temple of Set; literal or metaphorical (or both) angels and demons; Anton LaVey; his work been modified for better or for worse; Aleister Crowley or his self-claimed follower Timothy Leary; Anton LaVey; the nature of good and evil; thoughts on those who claim this is moral relativism; science and philosophy; ‘fact’; “idea”; poor decisions; differentiate intuition from other internal ‘talks’; the Gospel of John alongside of the Synoptic Gospels; a holy text; a particular religious text coming from the ancient world; Margaret Atwood; intuition; coming to terms with the world; words of advice or guidance to younger members of the profoundly gifted cohort who could use some guidance; For those parents with a profoundly gifted child; difficulties for some members of the profoundly gifted community; 1-sigma intelligence on the right-side of the bell curve differ from 2-sigma intelligence; -sigma intelligence on the right-side of the bell curve differ from 3-sigma intelligence; 3-sigma intelligence on the right-side of the bell curve differ from 4-sigma intelligence; -sigma intelligence on the right-side of the bell curve differ from 5-sigma intelligence; 5-sigma intelligence on the right-side of the bell curve differ from 6-sigma intelligence; societies emphasizing excellence more than equity; some of the oldest secret societies; the secret societies and the alternative theistic groups like the freemasons; things of annoyance; more at ease, at peace, with the world; ever plan to move away from Greece-Cyprus-Turkey area back to the United Kingdom or some other place; lifework; the general life trajectory; to end up; metaphysics; metaphysics from Dudeism; the most creative person in history; the best writer in history; the typical societal expectations of Greek heritage women; the typical societal expectations of Greek heritage men; and some cultural nuances largely known only to the Greeks about the ways in which men and women, old and young, blue-collar and white-collar, and so on, exist in Greek society, in Cypriot society, and in the diaspora with Greek heritage.
Keywords: Caelestis, Cyprus, dark, Draco, genius, Greek, heritage, light, Marios Sophia Prodromou, names, religion, Spade.
An Interview with Marios Sophia Prodromou on Names, Metaphor, Cyprus, Greek Heritage, Genius, Religion, Mysticism, and More (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: You’re amongst the highest range high-scorers in the niche community of alternative intelligence test takers. First things first, why the “Rat King”?
Marios Sophia Prodromou: I go by many names. There can’t be light without darkness.
2. Jacobsen: What other names?
Prodromou: Caelestis, Spade and Draco to name a few.
3. Jacobsen: What does Caelestis mean in this context? Why select it, or have it endowed to you?
Prodromou: I like to think of myself as celestial or out of this world.
4. Jacobsen: What does Spade mean in this context? Why select it, or have it endowed to you?
Prodromou: I like to dig for knowledge. The Ace of Spades by Motorhead is also one of my favourite songs.
5. Jacobsen: What does Draco mean in this context? Why select it, or have it endowed to you?
Prodromou: Dragon.
6. Jacobsen: Any preferred name out of the many?
Prodromou: Draco Caelestis or celestrial dragon.
7. Jacobsen: What interrelates these meanings (other than the obvious idea of the person, you)?
Prodromou: My knowledge of reality.
8. Jacobsen: What is the meaning of “Rat” and “King” in “Rat King”?
Prodromou: Most people hate rats but they have their purpose. It is better to be a king among rats rather than a peasant among men.
9. Jacobsen: Do you feel hated by “most people”? If so, why? If not, why not?
Prodromou: I do. There is a lot of jealousy in the world and I’m not your ordinary social butterfly.
10. Jacobsen: Any other animal examples than a rat – perhaps more palatable to the imagination?
Prodromou: Dragon, lion and Eagle.
11. Jacobsen: What about the queens?
Prodromou: A queen is just as important as a king.
12. Jacobsen: Do you have a queen?
Prodromou: Sophia.
13. Jacobsen: Do you consider the best minds among the rats/people the “most hated,” and for good reason? Is this a variation on better to reign in hell than serve in heaven?
Prodromou: My birthday this year coincided with the beginning of the year of the rat. Great year it’s been so far. I can’t get Horned rats out of my mind.
14. Jacobsen: Why not simply go by one name?
Prodromou: I strive to be different.
15. Jacobsen: How much, and in what way? Why that degree and manner of different?
Prodromou: If you are one of the many you will always be average. As different ad it gets.
16. Jacobsen: What is the more explicit reference to lightness and darkness? Usually, this comes with some philosophical or theological position on life. Is this the intended meaning?
Prodromou: Lux in tenebris. A more detailed version is found in the Gospel of John. The light shines in the darkness and the darkness cannot comprehend it. I like to be significant but also go about unnoticed.
17. Jacobsen: What about tenebris in lux? What is the meaning of light here rather than a reference? Is this in reference to the light of God and the darkness of the prime fallen angel, prime evil?
Prodromou: Evil depends on intention. A knife can cut your food or can kill somebody. Again I believe in dualism and that evil and good are just different poles of the same coin
18. Jacobsen: What is the origin and meaning of the name Marios Sophia Prodromou?
Prodromou: My grandmother was called Maria and I was also named in honor of the Virgin Mary. My mother had trouble giving birth and prayed to the Virgin Mary to help her conceive. Prodromou is the family name and means forerunner after John the Baptist or Prodromos in Greek.
19. Jacobsen: In this context, what does John the Baptist mean to you, personally?
Prodromou: I like his way of life. Being a loner. He had a bigger role than what he is credited. Just ask the Knights Templars.
20. Jacobsen: Also, what does the Virgin Mary mean to you, personally?
Prodromou: The divine feminine.
21. Jacobsen: What were the forms of parenting towards you, in the context of being rather special child in rarity, in cognition and in odds of conception for your mother?
Prodromou: I was given my space and a lot of love.
23. Jacobsen: What is family history and development as a Cypriot?
Prodromou: Both parents are Cypriots although I was born in Scotland.
24. Jacobsen: What are the values of Scottish society?
Prodromou: Respect for their history. They know where they came from.
25. Jacobsen: How do these mix with the values of Cypriot society if at all?
Prodromou: Cypriots care more about the present than the past.
26. Jacobsen: Are modern Scottish and Cypriot society more at odds or at parallels?
Prodromou: They are very different.
27. Jacobsen: What does being a Cypriot do for personal social and political views regarding Greece, Cyprus, and Turkey?
Prodromou: Both Turkey and Greece have made mistakes. I am a Greek Cypriot but am always open-minded when it comes to politics.
28. Jacobsen: What mistakes has Turkey made?
Prodromou: They are obsessed with world dominance. Killed many innocent people in their endeavors.
29. Jacobsen: How will Turkish mistakes come to haunt them?
Prodromou: Karma is a bitch not just for Turkey but for everybody.
30. Jacobsen: How many innocents are estimated?
Prodromou: I’d rather not put a number to it.
31. Jacobsen: Is this Erdogan’s attempt at recreation or reconsolidation of the (Neo-)Ottoman Empire through a Turkish expansionism?
Prodromou: Not only Eedogan’s but those that went before him and those that will come after him.
32. Jacobsen: What mistakes has Greece made?
Prodromou: Greeks are obsessed with money. The result is selling out their country. The ministry of defence sold a submarine owned by his military.
33. Jacobsen: How will the Greek mistakes come back to bite them in the behind more?
Prodromou: Already the economy is a mess.
34. Jacobsen: Have the Greeks always been obsessed with money?
Prodromou: Not always. But when they were given a little sugar they developed a sweet tooth.
35. Jacobsen: How accurate is My Big Fat Greek Wedding, the movie, to Greek culture, especially in times of courting and marriage and potential in-law interactions?
Prodromou: It is quite accurate. Parents can become obsessed with their kids. In Scotland they leave the nest at 18 in Greece ans Cyprus they can stay forever. Well at least till marriage.
36. Jacobsen: Have you ever met or interacted with many other 6-sigma, or even 5-sigma, people within the high-IQ community? If so, what was the experience? If not, other than statistical rarity, why not?
Prodromou: I can’t say that I have. They are hard to find and I am highly introverted.
37. Jacobsen: Why so introverted?
Prodromou: I was an only child. I learnt to be my best friend.
38. Jacobsen: Would you like to interact with them?
Prodromou: Not really. I’m a loner.
39. Jacobsen: How was the discovery of giftedness? What is important to bear in mind about alternative intelligence tests? What alternative intelligence tests/non-mainstream tests seem reliable and valid to you?
Prodromou: I scored 98/100 on the old Millers Analogy Test that I used to matriculate into the College of New Jersey Master of Education program
40. Jacobsen: What have been some other tests? What are the implied scores and standard deviations of said scores? What have been the range of the scores from the lowest to the highest?
Prodromou: My highest was 190+ on MACH. I have scored around 170 on tests by Iacovos Koukas. It all depends on how much effort I put into the test. I did my 170 in 2 hours where I took 6 months to answer the MACH.
41. Jacobsen: What is the societal view of giftedness in Cyprus?
Prodromou: I’ve been twice on national TV but I remain an unknown nobody.
42. Jacobsen: Have there been other media opportunities, which you’ve turned down?
Prodromou: Many. I don’t go there for the fame.
43. Jacobsen: What programs on television? Why agree to appear on those programs?
Prodromou: It helps me gain the trust of the community and be able to help their kids as a mental coach. I went to two well known programs on Cypriot TV. The clips are on my YouTube channel.
44. Jacobsen: On the “Prince Show,” is kissing a common Greek greeting between people – on either or both cheeks? In North America, this would be seen as odd between men. What was the reason for the invitation to the show? What was the main discussion topic? What were some responses to the show? Did you like the appearance?
Prodromou: I won the WGD Genius of the Year for Europe in 2017. The WGD made a press release and I got invited.
45. Jacobsen: Was part of the purpose to garner the trust of the public?
Prodromou: I don’t like to advertise myself and the public believes anything the media tells them and the public adores celebrities so it was a win-win situation for me.
46. Jacobsen: On the “With Love Christina,” what was the reason for the invitation to the show? What was the main discussion topic? What were some responses to the show? Did you like the appearance?
Prodromou: Again winning the WGD Award.
47. Jacobsen: You seemed nervous in both appearances. Is this an accurate observation? If so, why? If not, why not?
Prodromou: I don’t socialize much. I was out of my water.
48. Jacobsen: Do you desire or want to be a somebody rather than a “nobody”?
Prodromou: I’d rather be a nobody. In this earth to be a somebody you need to be a celebrity or have lots of money. I’d rather pass. Knowledge and Sophia for me is more important than money.
49. Jacobsen: Why are knowledge and Sophia sufficient for you?
Prodromou: That is why we are here. To learn and improve.
50. Jacobsen: Why would most Greeks with an obsession on money choose money rather than their own notions of “knowledge and Sophia”?
Prodromou: They have not studied the occult like me. When you look into the abyss you find that it stares right back at you.
51. Jacobsen: What or who is Sophia (other than a middle name)?
Prodromou: The Goddess of wisdom. The most important figure for Gnostic Christians.
52. Jacobsen: What kind of knowledge most appeals to personal sensibilities?
Prodromou: As long as it resonates with my intuition. I find it appealing.
53. Jacobsen: What makes a real genius?
Prodromou: Finding the unknown.
54. Jacobsen: What makes a faux genius?
Prodromou: A good actor like Trump.
55. Jacobsen: Are there more real geniuses or faux geniuses?
Prodromou: Faux Geniuses for sure.
56. Jacobsen: What do you make of people who fake striving to be a nobody while being a somebody as their main goal to promote themselves or some idea rather than simply being a nobody, liking it, and preferring being a nobody?
Prodromou: We are all actors and the world is our stage. We have our plays and exits.
57. Jacobsen: What have been some work pursuits for you?
Prodromou: My passion is helping kids excel in sports through mental coaching.
58. Jacobsen: What is “mental coaching”? What have been the specialities in the forms of mental coaching for you? How do you go about imparting these mental skills to mentees?
Prodromou: Helping the child make faster and better decisions under pressure. I have come up with several strategies depending on the learning style and personality of the child. One size does not fit all.
59. Jacobsen: What kind of pressure?
Prodromou: Playing in a competitive environment in front of people. Even the desire of pleasing our parents or coaches results in pressure.
60. Jacobsen: Fast is time-dependent, therefore relative. How much faster for most of the pupils?
Prodromou: One second too early and you are offside. One second too late and you missed your chance. Just as fast as is needed to made a difference.
61. Jacobsen: What are some of the basic strategies?
Prodromou: Improving focus and concentration. Teaching the kids how to pick up information and how to analyze it to make better decisions.
62. Jacobsen: What are some of the intermediate strategies?
Prodromou: Nothing is set in stone. What works for John doesn’t work for Charlie.
63. Jacobsen: What are the common, uncommon, and rare personality styles of the children?
Prodromou: Every kid is different. That is the beauty of this world.
64. Jacobsen: What intellectual issues impress you?
Prodromou: I am not easily impressed as only a small capacity of one’s brain is used. I believe that there is more to the world than meets the eye. We only see a tiny fraction of the spectrum after all.
65. Jacobsen: Which public and private intellectuals impress you?
Prodromou: I’m not easily impressed.
66. Jacobsen: What have been some educational attainments for you?
Prodromou: I graduated summa cum laude from the University of Indianapolis and finished the Master in Education program of the College of New Jersey with a perfect 4.00 GPA.
67. Jacobsen: What social philosophy makes the most sense to you?
Prodromou: “The alienation of man thus appeared as the fundamental evil of capitalist society.” – Karl Marx
68. Jacobsen: What political philosophy makes the most sense to you?
Prodromou: Equal rights and opportunities for all men and women.
69. Jacobsen: What economic philosophy makes the most sense to you?
Prodromou: “Accumulation of wealth at one pole is at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation at the opposite pole.” -Karl Marx
70. Jacobsen: Who is a favourite philosopher for you? I am sensing Marx or potentially Marx for some reason.
Prodromou: You are correct.
71. Jacobsen: What religious/non-religious philosophy makes the most sense to you?
Prodromou: I believe in God but I also believe that there can be no light without darkness. It is not about choosing sides. It is about finding balance.
72. Jacobsen: What is being balanced here? What delineates the light from the dark in personalities and life stances? For what it’s worth, I am reminded of the Grey Jedi.
Prodromou: You won’t see a bear turn the other cheek of her cubs are in danger.
73. Jacobsen: What kind of God makes the most sense to you?
Prodromou: A God that is fair and just. That judges a person’s heart and his intentions rather than his accomplishments.
74.Jacobsen: What is the argument for this God?
Prodromou: Synchronicity.
75. Jacobsen: What is the evidence for this God?
Prodromou: I find that I will always get to where I need to be through a random sequence of events in my life.
76. Jacobsen: What is in most people’s hearts?
Prodromou: Blood.
77. Jacobsen: What is fairness?
Prodromou: Having the same opportunities as everybody else.
78. Jacobsen: What is justice?
Prodromou: If you do somebody wrong that you also will be wronged.
79. Jacobsen: Is there a single term, even a neologism, covering the idea of fairness and justice in unison?
Prodromou: I’m not keen on unions.
80. Jacobsen: Do you believe in a supernatural order, a natural order, or both? Why?
Prodromou: I have had paranormal experiences but let’s leave it at that.
81. Jacobsen: As a detective, one must detect, investigate, and/or inquire – have to ask. What is the definition of paranormal, supernatural, metaphysical, and natural, material, and physical in this context?
Prodromou: Some things need to be seen. They cannot be described. For those that know no explanation is necessary. For those that don’t no explanation is possible.
82. Jacobsen: What is the precise meaning of the idea of a paranormal “experience” within the above-mentioned definition?
Prodromou: I refer you to the above.
83. Jacobsen: Why does this experience within giving the precise experience, in fact, match the above-mentioned definitions and contextualizations of a paranormal experience rather than simply a natural and normal experience, or event?
Prodromou: I am still experiencing the effects up to this day.
84. Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes the most sense to you?
Prodromou: What is chaos for the fly is dinner time for the spider.
85. Jacobsen: What worldview brings these together into a neat little package for you?
Prodromou: Thinking outside the box. Nothing is set in stone.
86. Jacobsen: How does the British background influence the personal perception of the Cypriot society?
Prodromou: Small is not always better.
87. Jacobsen: Why is inspiring kids important for you?
Prodromou: I had a tough childhood and know what it feels like to be alone in the world.
88. Jacobsen: How was it “tough”?
Prodromou: Parents were away most of the time and we had little money. I was also bullied in school.
89. Jacobsen: How did you feel alone? How did your mother cope knowing her rare child was alone and living a tough life?
Prodromou: She did the best that she could. I wouldn’t change her for any other mother.
90. Jacobsen: You are a member of “World Genius Directory, Prometheus, Mensa International, Epimetheus, GENIUS Umbrella Organization, sPIqr, Vertex, Grand IQ Society, Tetra, GOTHIQ, LEVIATHAN 160, Triple Nine Society, HELLIQ, The Glia Society, UBERIQ, TENIQ and many others.”
Prodromou: IQ is just a number but it looks good on my resume. It helps me as a mental coach as the parents are more willing to recruit me in order to help their kids.
91. Jacobsen: What societies seem the most reliable in providing a social and intellectual space over a long period of time for members?
Prodromou: Difficult to answer. I mostly join for the card and not the interaction.
92. Jacobsen: What one have you spent the most time interacting with if at all? Why that one?
Prodromou: WGD. I won the award and was their ambassador for a whole year.
93. Jacobsen: What is meant by becoming a person of a value versus becoming a person of success?
Prodromou: Success for many is having lots of money or social status. A person of value however is important to his community for his knowledge and not for his money.
94. Jacobsen: Does this make value less fungible than money in some fundamental sense?
Prodromou: Only because most people are obsessed with money and not the pursuit of knowledge. In their defence it is a material world after all isn’t it?
95. Jacobsen: Was Madonna right, after all, but for everyone rather than just “girls”?
Prodromou: No money no honey.
96. Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, what defines success? What defines value?
Prodromou: Success is different for many people. Value however is making an impact on your community.
97. Jacobsen: What are common notions of success amongst the Greeks other than making lots and lots of money?
Prodromou: Having a good job. Social status.
98. Jacobsen: What kind of values must one have to make the “value” of “making an impact on your community”? How have you strived to be valuable to community in this manner? Is the sense of “community” local or global here, or simply a
Prodromou: Doing the best for the person that you are dealing with and not for you.
99. Jacobsen: An inference rather than a confirmation. You seem to like esotericism and symbology, including highly symmetrical and complex creations. If so, why? If not, why the complicated symbol systems on social media for you?
Prodromou: A lot of ancient and secret esoteric knowledge has been preserved in symbols. Language has changed and is different for everybody but symbols remain the same.
100. Jacobsen: Why take part in the Dudeist philosophy, as I am, full disclosure, a member too?
Prodromou: I like to be everywhere and am open-minded.
101. Jacobsen: For those who do not know, what is Dudeism?
Prodromou: The Tao.
102. Jacobsen: How open-minded?
Prodromou: As much as it takes for my brain to fall out of my head.
103. Jacobsen: What other groups have you joined to be “everywhere”?
Prodromou: I can’t mention them as they are secret.
104. Jacobsen: Any of those who aren’t secret, like the public alternative religious and philosophical groups, e.g., Dudeism?
Prodromou: I’m an Associate member of the American Psychological Association.
105. Jacobsen: What are some characteristics of the secret groups without precise details of them – other than being “secret”?
Prodromou: They find you. You don’t find them.
106. Jacobsen: You work or worked as a postal officer. Why?
Prodromou: The best and most stable job in Cyprus is as a civil servant. It also gives you lots of free hours in the afternoons to pursue other goals and interests.
107. Jacobsen: I am reminded of old Bill Sidis working at ‘menial’ jobs while writing works on the history of the Americas, etc. Are you writing anything or working on some intellectual problem at this time?
Prodromou: I’m working on self improvement and my esoteric world through the application of hidden knowledge. You can add “mystery man” to the titles that I go under.
108. Jacobsen: Of the parts that are non-secretive and esoteric, what is the esoteric part? Is that Austin “Danger” Powers, man of mystery?
Prodromou: It is the part that “changes” you the most.
109. Jacobsen: What kind of self-improvement?
Prodromou: Receiving an upgrade. Making a better version of you.
110. Jacobsen: What do you mean only a small capacity of the brain is used? Isn’t this an old and outmoded, i.e., non-empirical, stance akin to the 10% myth?
Prodromou: Only for those that have a large ego. It makes them feel better and that they are intelligent. Most of our thoughts are not even our own.
111. Jacobsen: Why are more men in the high-IQ societies than the women?
Prodromou: I have the same question. Probably women have other interests as I don’t think it is about intelligence.
112. Jacobsen: Who do you consider the smartest person in history?
Prodromou: Tesla.
113. Jacobsen: Why?
Prodromou: He was a loner just like me. A pig of his work is not even known to the general population.
114. Jacobsen: Who do you consider some of the smartest people alive now?
Prodromou: Musk and Gates and even Trump.
115. Jacobsen: Why Musk?
Prodromou: He has a nice girlfriend.
116. Jacobsen: Why Gates?
Prodromou: He started off with nothing and made billions through his knowledge.
117. Jacobsen: Why “even Trump”?
Prodromou: He is a good actor.
118. Jacobsen: What defines religion and theology?
Prodromou: A strong belief in something and faith in the unknown.
119. Jacobsen: What differentiates the former, a “strong belief,” from a conviction? Is faith a good or a bad thing if the thing is unknown or assumed as such? Many things have been believed on faith without evidence and caused a great many tragedies, and the ones/events/happenings/outcomes in which faith lead to good things; better and more evidenced reasons exist and highly probably existed.
Prodromou: I should have been dead in two car crashes that I have had. Faith is knowing that I’m still here for a reason. I guess it all depends on the person and his experiences.
120. Jacobsen: What is “ancient and secret esoteric knowledge”?
Prodromou: It wouldn’t be a secret if I told you now would it?
121. Jacobsen: What kinds of symbols preserve them?
Prodromou: Many symbols in the occult mainly. Especially those created by John Dee and Aleister Crowley.
122. Jacobsen: What are the main symbols? What are the main interpretations of them?
Prodromou: Again what I know cannot be discussed in public. It is up to every individual to seek the truth if he desires.
123. Jacobsen: Is the truth atheism or theism, or some other category?
Prodromou: The truth is still the truth even if nobody believes it. A lie is still a lie even if everybody believes it.
124. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on atheism?
Prodromou: Everybody has free will to believe or not. I respect their free will not to believe just as long as they respect my right to believe.
125. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on theism?
Prodromou: Same as above.
126. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on agnosticism?
Prodromou: Same as above.
127. Jacobsen: What have you mainly learned from purported secret esoteric knowledge?
Prodromou: That there is a purpose to life and not what everybody thinks it is. I have learnt why we are here.
128. Jacobsen: What are some hints or indications as to the purpose of life?
Prodromou: Improving your inner world and DNA.
129. Jacobsen: What changes in life have come from this for you?
Prodromou: I have a whole new heart.
130. Jacobsen: Why did you pursue this course in life rather than others?
Prodromou: I believe everything else is a distraction.
131. Jacobsen: How do we know it’s ancient knowledge?
Prodromou: I have applied it and have seen the unseen. But you have to take my word for it as hard as that seems.
132. Jacobsen: Does this not seem like a skirting, or circumnavigating the issue entirely, similar to the promise of unlikely rewards of 72 virgins after death for martyrs in some interpretations of Islamic scriptures – ‘just believe me as you’ll get it after you die, take my word for it’? This sort of argument from authority. What of those who simply cannot ‘take your word for it’ – no matter how hard it may seem – and require more robust responses, e.g., like detectives?
Prodromou: Even if I told you fee would believe. And even those that do believe won’t know how or what to do.
133. Jacobsen: What if what you saw was not the unseen and rather a hallucination or a mere chance coincidence rather than a real experience in true transaction with the external world – between the self and the natural world?
Prodromou: Again, I’m still experiencing the effects of my experience to this day.
134. Jacobsen: How do we know it’s esoteric and secret rather than simply esoteric knowledge?
Prodromou: What I have seen I doubt many people have seen.
135. Jacobsen: Does this seem unsatisfying and akin to a non-answer, almost a faux mysticism so as to skirt real explanation through properly verifiable and more reliable means than fallible human experience?
Prodromou: Some things are better left unsaid.
136. Jacobsen: Most Greeks are formal religious, as in Greek Orthodox Church. Why?
Prodromou: That is what they are brought up to believe.
137. Jacobsen: Is it correct or incorrect as a system of thought, or more wrong or more rights as a theology?
Prodromou: Who am I to judge?
138. Jacobsen: How could this enforced and inertia-based belief in Greek Orthodox Christianity change in the future to a different faith or no faith at all?
Prodromou: I doubt it will change. Religion is strong in Greece and Cyprus and the church has a big role in Society and lots of money and property. The Head of the church can even influence the Government.
139. Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, how does this color their image of the nature of world, human beings, and the relations of human beings to one another and the world?
Prodromou: Cultural bias is created that doesn’t allow much room to the individual to explore other ideas and values.
140. Jacobsen: What is creativity?
Prodromou: Tapping into your own intuition to come up with something original.
141. Jacobsen: What is intelligence?
Prodromou: Intuition for me is the highest intelligence.
142. Jacobsen: Why intuition?
Prodromou: That is where the magic happens.
143. Jacobsen: Is intuition truly a form of intelligence or more a subjectively formalized, experientially developed sensibility about life and its meanderings?
Prodromou: It is the highest intelligence.
144. Jacobsen: What is genius?
Prodromou: Finding X.
145. Jacobsen: What is purpose of having ancient esoteric secret knowledge in the first place?
Prodromou: “If you die before you die you won’t die when you die.” An ancient inscription written at Mount Athos.
146. Jacobsen: Any idea as to authorship of the inscription?
Prodromou: No idea.
147. Jacobsen: Why is Mount Athos significant to the Greeks and to Eastern Orthodox monasticism?
Prodromou: It is their holy place. Everybody that is Greek has gone their or will eventually go there at least once in their life time.
148. Jacobsen: Is “ancient knowledge” good or bad? With current advancements, it sounds like “Ancient Grains” or some such thing.
Prodromou: That is the plan. To keep you away from the old. Who says new is better?
149. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the freemasons in that regard – the society with secrets rather than a secret society?
Prodromou: I respect them although most are pawns and only a handful of those at the highest degrees reach the truth.
150. Jacobsen: Why does the organization make most of them pawns?
Prodromou: To do their dirty work.
151. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on different Satanist or associated groups including The Church of Satan, First Satanic Church, The Satanic Temple, Luciferianism, Order of Nine Angles, or the Temple of Set?
Prodromou: I respect them as well; although, it is not good to be so fanatic. It does not leave room to explore other paths. Satan was once an angel after all.
152. Jacobsen: Any specific reflections on The Church of Satan?
Prodromou: It is what it is.
153. Jacobsen: Any specific reflections on First Satanic Church?
Prodromou: It is what it is.
154. Jacobsen: Any specific reflections on The Satanic Temple?
Prodromou: It is what it is.
155. Jacobsen: Any specific reflections on Luciferianism?
Prodromou: It is what it is.
156. Jacobsen: Any specific reflections on Order of Nine Angles?
Prodromou: It is what it is.
157. Jacobsen: Any specific reflections on the Temple of Set?
Prodromou: It is what it is.
158. Jacobsen: Do you believe in literal or metaphorical (or both) angels and demons? If so, how so? If not, why not?
Prodromou: Maybe they work together and are two parts of the same team.
159. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on Anton LaVey?
Prodromou: A genius but his work has been modified.
160. Jacobsen: Has his work been modified for better or for worse?
Prodromou: For the worse.
161. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on Aleister Crowley or his self-claimed follower Timothy Leary?
Prodromou: Both geniuses although again they have been made out to be the worst possible people to keep society from exploring their work.
162. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on Anton LaVey?
Prodromou: I would have loved to have met him.
163. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the nature of good and evil? Does this relate to the aforementioned light and dark before, lightness and darkness before?
Prodromou: Good and evil change and are dependant on your circumstances and are in the eyes of the beholder. A cake is good comfort food unless you have diabetes. Bring those brownies next time you visit. It all depends upon where you are standing.
164. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on those who claim this is moral relativism (usually stated in a derogatory tone)? Where do you stand now, grey one?
Prodromou: I respect their right to believe what they like about the subject and hopefully they will respect mine.
165. Jacobsen: What is science? What is philosophy?
Prodromou: Science is when we prove something to be correct through “facts”. Philosophy on the other hand is your “idea” about something. My philosophy is that facts are important but intuition is more important. But you need to be sure it is your intuition talking before acting upon an impulse.
166. Jacobsen: What is a ‘fact’?
Prodromou: 1+1=2.
167. Jacobsen: What is an “idea”?
Prodromou: Something that hasn’t been proven yet to be a fact.
168. Jacobsen: Why does impulse lead to poor decisions?
Prodromou: Not always the case.
169. Jacobsen: What else could be “talking”? What means by which to differentiate intuition from other internal ‘talks’?
Prodromou: Our spirit guide.
170. Jacobsen: What if the Gospel of John alongside of the Synoptic Gospels, indeed the entirety of the Bible – Old Testament and New Testament, amount to fabricated documents or not entirely factual (as a hypothetical)? Now, most historians, secular and religious, agree Jesus Christ existed; however, all of the miracles, violations of the natural laws known today, and the fallibility of the human mind in terms of eyewitness testimony seem important to take into consideration, especially as all of the texts purport eyewitness testimony. Yet, Professor Elizabeth Loftus’s work is clear of the poor data-taking devices of human beings. In that, even if the Christian Scriptures are taken as holy, as inspired, and eyewitness testimonies, they’re still mediated by human sense perception and cogitation leading to the inevitable now-empirical conclusion of highly unreliable sources in eyewitness testimony within the field of cognitive psychology in regards to eyewitness testimony.
Prodromou: They are fabricated documents that have gone through many edits. Doesn’t mean there isn’t any truth to them. You just need to filter out the lies.
171. Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, even if we take the explicit reference to the lightness and the darkness in Christian holy texts in a base textual analysis, or even in a detailed Logos oriented interpretation of the Gospel of John starting with John 1:1 to John 1:2 with “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God,” it’s not taken as literal, but as metaphorical. Why need the text to know this? Why have a holy text at all? Why not another fallible, questionable text without the sacred, inspired assertions behind it?
Prodromou: The bible is a story about two tribes.
172. Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, what is gained by reference to a particular religious text coming from the ancient world in which philosophy was developed, but science, human rights, and so on, were not? Isn’t this simply outmoded and not needed anymore?
Prodromou: The bible tells us what has come before and what will come in the future. This year alone has been quite biblical for example.
173. Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, how would one go unnoticed while leaving a significant trace in the context of a base textual analysis and in the detailed Gospel of John analysis? I am reminded of a Margaret Atwood quote, “I would like to be the air that inhabits you for a moment only. I would like to be that unnoticed and that necessary.”
Prodromou: Just by doing one’s job. The air doesn’t ask why it is there or asks for money to be there. It is invisible but without it humanity would not exist.
174. Jacobsen: What if intuition is simply a poor reasoning apparatus output of the human organism?
Prodromou: Again it depends on your ability to reason. What if our thoughts are nor our own?
175. Jacobsen: When we take some of the more important aspects of individual identity for some members of the profoundly gifted category or the profoundly high IQs, there seems a sense of the alone-ness, in which the individual gifted person’s temperaments and gifts leaves them in a straightjacket in some manner. On the one hand, they know more than most, max out standardized tests of valid types, and can process more quickly, more in-depth, and with greater relatedness in concepts. On the other hand, this sets them apart from ordinary society in a number of regards, which can make them out of sync emotionally and socially with peers due to lack of experience either due to innate factors or more time spent in independent study, or little overlap in ways of thinking for them. It is a sort of unresolvable pickle in the ways in which the species evolved. So, in some ways, tough, get used to it, while, on the other hand, how do these individuals find a place in society for some level of optimal fit for them? How have you dealt with this coming to terms with the world?
Prodromou: We are not pieces In a jigsaw puzzle. Some of us don’t need to fit in.
176. Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, some will take a certain attitude of outright antagonism to the idea of coming to terms with the world exhibiting itself in opposition to standard sources of authority and structure and organization within the society, including established religions, governmental structures, and elders and experts within the society. This can take forms of delusions of grandeur, opposition defiance disorder, and simply taking the path of molasses all through life, which, naturally, comes with lifelong consequences for them. Any words of advice or guidance to younger members of the profoundly gifted cohort who could use some guidance in this regard?
Prodromou: Be your own person.
177. Jacobsen: For those parents with a profoundly gifted child, who can be ten years old while functioning at the intellectual capacity of a an average eighteen year old or more, what is some advice for them in terms of nutrition, fitness, and intellectual challenge?
Prodromou: Listen to the child and what he or she wants.
178. Jacobsen: When it comes to girl-girl time, boy-boy time, boy-girl time, what are some difficulties for some members of the profoundly gifted community who happen to exist in milieu of same-age peers and no peers intellectually, in a time of first finding lust and love while not having the requisite emotional maturity – even feeling intensely while lacking experience to buffer the intensity to socially and interpersonally appropriate levels?
Prodromou: This world is not ideal for everybody. It is a rich man’s world but I’d also say the better one looks the easier it is to fit in.
179. Jacobsen: How does 1-sigma intelligence on the right-side of the bell curve differ from 2-sigma intelligence in terms of behavioural and verbal proxies?
Prodromou: Not very much.
180. Jacobsen: How does 2-sigma intelligence on the right-side of the bell curve differ from 3-sigma intelligence in terms of behavioural and verbal proxies?
Prodromou: Again not very much.
181. Jacobsen: How does 3-sigma intelligence on the right-side of the bell curve differ from 4-sigma intelligence in terms of behavioural and verbal proxies?
Prodromou: Not very much.
182. Jacobsen: How does 4-sigma intelligence on the right-side of the bell curve differ from 5-sigma intelligence in terms of behavioural and verbal proxies?
Prodromou: Not very much.
183. Jacobsen: How does 5-sigma intelligence on the right-side of the bell curve differ from 6-sigma intelligence in terms of behavioural and verbal proxies?
Prodromou: Not very much. One sigma differences are insignificant. I doubt anybody can tell the difference between a 5 and 6 sigma dude just by chatting to them.
184. Jacobsen: How can societies emphasizing excellence more than equity cheer on and support the profoundly gifted and talented members of its communities?
Prodromou: Intelligence will always be repressed. Governments don’t like intelligent people that can think for themselves.
185. Jacobsen: What do you consider some of the oldest secret societies?
Prodromou: The Knights Templars.
186. Jacobsen: What seems like the general idea, while not stating the content, of many of the secret societies and the alternative theistic groups like the freemasons?
Prodromou: Self improvement and the quest for the holy grail.
187. Jacobsen: What annoys you?
Prodromou: People who think that they are always right and not open to new ideas.
188. Jacobsen: What makes you feel more at ease, at peace, with the world?
Prodromou: Not thinking about the world and not reading the media or watching TV.
189. Jacobsen: Would you ever plan to move away from Greece-Cyprus-Turkey area back to the United Kingdom or some other place? If so, why? If not, why not?
Prodromou: I don’t plan my life. I am spontaneous and may take off one day.
190. Jacobsen: Most of the more intelligent people in history known have some – what I call – lifework. Some pursuit covering a large part of their lives, in spite of the chaos, nonsense, and personality quirks that may be part and parcel of the personality behind the lifework. Do you have a lifework? If so, what? If not, why not?
Prodromou: My pursuit was my inner world. Making a better version of me. No time for anything else.
191. Jacobsen: How would you characterize the general life trajectory for you?
Prodromou: It’s hard to define.
191. Jacobsen: Where would you like your life to end up?
Prodromou: In the unknown garden of Nemo.
192. Jacobsen: What is metaphysics?
Prodromou: Why we are here.
193. Jacobsen: Why choose metaphysics from Dudeism?
Prodromou: Why we are here is a question that I have been trying to answer since I were a kid.
194. Jacobsen: Who do you consider the most creative person in history?
Prodromou: DA VINCI.
195. Jacobsen: Who do you consider the best writer in history?
Prodromou: Shakespeare.
196. Jacobsen: What are the typical societal expectations of Greek heritage women? What are the typical societal expectations of Greek heritage men?
Prodromou: Getting married and finding a nice spouse.
197. Jacobsen: What are some cultural nuances largely known only to the Greeks about the ways in which men and women, old and young, blue-collar and white-collar, and so on, exist in Greek society, in Cypriot society, and in the diaspora with Greek heritage in terms of a sense of extended identity in the Greek people?
Prodromou: I’m not the best one to answer this question. I don’t socialize enough to know.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] 190+ S.D. 15 on the MACH, Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Marios Sophia Prodromou on Names, Metaphor, Cyprus, Greek Heritage, Genius, Religion, Mysticism, and More (Part One) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-one.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 1). An Interview with Marios Sophia Prodromou on Names, Metaphor, Cyprus, Greek Heritage, Genius, Religion, Mysticism, and More (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-one.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Marios Sophia Prodromou on Names, Metaphor, Cyprus, Greek Heritage, Genius, Religion, Mysticism, and More (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-one>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Marios Sophia Prodromou on Names, Metaphor, Cyprus, Greek Heritage, Genius, Religion, Mysticism, and More (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-one.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Marios Sophia Prodromou on Names, Metaphor, Cyprus, Greek Heritage, Genius, Religion, Mysticism, and More (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-one.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Marios Sophia Prodromou on Names, Metaphor, Cyprus, Greek Heritage, Genius, Religion, Mysticism, and More (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-one>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Marios Sophia Prodromou on Names, Metaphor, Cyprus, Greek Heritage, Genius, Religion, Mysticism, and More (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-one.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Marios Sophia Prodromou on Names, Metaphor, Cyprus, Greek Heritage, Genius, Religion, Mysticism, and More (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-one>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Marios Sophia Prodromou on Names, Metaphor, Cyprus, Greek Heritage, Genius, Religion, Mysticism, and More (Part One) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/prodromou-one.
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Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
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Abstract
Karen Hines is the writer and director of All the Little Animals I Have Eaten. She discusses: background; All The Little Animals I Have Eaten; pieces brought together in this individual narrative to pass the Bechdel Test; a conversation between Margaret Atwood and Michelle Goldberg; one of the nightmares from the restaurant serving time; a second nightmare; and something to hope people not take away as a message from this play.
Keywords: All the Little Animals I Have Eaten, Bechdel Test, director, Karen Hines, Margaret Atwood, Michelle Goldberg, writer.
An Interview with Karen Hines on “All the Little Animals I Have Eaten”[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Of course, your background is more public as you are a reasonably prominent playwright. But for those who would like this in your own words, what is some background leading into being a playwright around more critical social commentary issues?
Karen Hines: I started off as a child actor. My first performing job was a pay that my great step-grandfather and “common law,” [Laughing] as he called himself, produced with his then independent theatre company. So, I got a taste for this. It was an adaptation of [did not get this]. I got a taste for independent theatre and left-leaning work. Then I began doing sketch comedy, improv, when I was in my late teens. Then in my early 20s, I became a member of the Second City comedy company. They present satire and parodies. They’re doing critiques of contemporary culture. I would say that I really got a sense of possibilities in that kind of work. I sculpted my studies around that kind of work. So, I studied clown and bouffon, but only so that I could further define what I was doing as a satirist, as a baby satirist. I studied lots of different things. I was originally a performer, then a performer-writer, then performer-writer-director as time went on. I got a taste for it. My parents are scientists and atheists. I suppose that I was brought up in a family that questioned. I have this grandmother who was an author. My great step-grandfather and common law was very experimental in the world of theatre. All of those influenced.
2. Jacobsen: With regards to the current production, All The Little Animals I Have Eaten, what was the starting point when some of the ideas were coming to the front of mind for you?
Hines: It began as something quite different than what it has become. It began as a exercise. I was interested in the Bechdel Test or the Bechdel-Wallace Test. I was interested in this kind of experiment in writing a bunch of disparate scenes that pass the test and what kind of feeling that might create in a room, having scenes that all pass the test. The play really began to evolve almost as soon as I started doing readings of it, or presenting pieces for grant applications or whatever, because the world began to change quickly. I guess, the earliest pieces that I wrote were in 2014. At that time, the Bechdel Test was pretty unknown to a lot of people. It was a new territory and needed to explain this to people. Very soon after that, we had the MeToo movement and Donald Trump was elected into office. The world changed, and changed, and changed again. The Bechdel-Wallace Test seemed quaint by comparison. It was no longer weighty enough to hold the centre of a full-length play. Then I just began improvising. As a writer, you are trying to respond instinctively to what I was seeing in the world and not necessarily writing about those things. I do not write about the MeToo movement or abut Donald Trump. But as a writer, I was writing in a way that was responding to the world that we were in. The scenes are mostly about professionals and all-female, which makes sense when you remember this started as a playful examination or meditation including the Bechdel Test. But the world surrounding this condominium seemed much darker, much more inclusive of the changes. Everything feels a lot scarier since I began to write this play 6 years ago.
3. Jacobsen: When we look at some of the political contexts, it is quite a startling thing to see. It could be Hungary with Orban to Xi Jinping getting rid of term limits. There is a large contingent of political examples of strongmanism akin to Trump and almost to who Trump has almost given an excuse for and emboldened. There seems to be a trend in some feminist literature and writing in Canada to not necessarily write directly about those political and social occurrences. Rather, it is more portraying this more in a fictional setting, so Margaret Atwood is very famous for this, as we both know. Taking puzzle pieces of the real world in history, misogyny and so on, and then making a big puzzle out of it, then calling this The Handmaid’s Tale, and so on, were there pieces brought together in this individual narrative to pass the Bechdel Test, and then further weaved together?
Hines: Yes, initially, I had no idea how they were going to knit together. As I was working, I realized most of the scenes were set in a restaurant or a café, or a bistro. The ones that were not were very easy to change. That was probably partly because I was talking about conversations between women and overhearing conversations between people. Of course, there is no greater way to overhear conversations than to be a server.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Hines: I had been a server in my late teens and early twenties. I thought, “I don’t know what it is like to be 20-something now. I know 20-year-olds. I do not know what it is like to be a server.” That server character is sort of what ties things together now. Then I realized that I had to focus this further [Laughing] because people’s ideas around feminism are so fractured.
Jacobsen: Sure.
Hines: There’s no way to write a play set in a condominium and pretend to cover all version of females.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Hines: I decided that I would really focus it on an all-female condo with real estate being sold. I decided to really focus down on aspects of consumer culture, market driven feminism, capitalism, neo-liberalism, etc., and through a very distinctively female lens.
4. Jacobsen: I recall a conversation between Margaret Atwood and Michelle Goldberg off-the-top. Michelle Goldberg mentioned “feminism.” Margaret Atwood retorted, ‘We have to be careful about that term because it means about 50 different things now.’
Hines: Yes.
Jacobsen: When you mention the ‘fracturing’ of it, that’s what comes to mind. It is the idea that there are these various branches that fall under that rubric of feminism, but they are, as you note, “market driven feminism.” There’s a whole bunch of others. They are more or less allied, but they have different areas of emphasis. So, when you’re coming to this play presenting mostly or all women voices, but not the complete of women’s voices, of course, what is the idea of feminism that you’re bringing to mind here or hoping to bring to mind in the audience?
Hines: I am, certainly, going to piss some people off.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Hines: [Laughing] a lot of the women depicted in this play are not “good” women. They are women for whom individual gain is very important and getting ahead. They talk about accelerated feminism. What that means is very different from person to person, it is the tender server who walks among them and must decide whether she will accept or resist what she is seeing around her. Although, she wants her own place. She wants to succeed. She is confronted with people who are ostensibly succeeding. But [Laughing] the type of feminism that they are exuding is the all-for-me feminism [Laughing]. They are very much into the trappings of contemporary market driven feminism. They might want the leisure and things often marketed to women. These are often what they talk about. They are not lacking in poetry or intelligence. They just want what they want. I would say, “They are market driven feminists” [Laughing].
Jacobsen: When I hear that, the ideas that come to mind are a more comprehensive view or range of feminisms, or believing in different forms of feminism that are more or less allied with one another, but behaving in ways that are not necessarily feminist or reasonably accurate to that standard that many would accept – and what that shows is humanizing of women in that manner. I think Chris Rock had a saying. When black people in the United States can fail the way white people can fail, and bounce back the white people can, if they are hardworking enough and persistent enough, then that’s the more robust sign of equality.
Hines: Right.
Jacobsen: I think this instance of portraying women as human beings, as all sorts of the nobilities, the foibles, and the forgetfulness, the aging, the bad eyesight, the Machiavellianism to get ahead. All of these things. I think what you’re portraying is not the idea of feminism, but, maybe, a more honest representation of what feminism means as humanizing women as complete beings.
Hines: Yes and no, I go pretty hard on them. It is this server’s story, but it is a server’s nightmare. I don’t know if you have ever worked in a restaurant.
Jacobsen: I am working in one right now [Laughing] [Ed. This is before the SARS-CoV-2/Coronavirus/COVID-19 global pandemic, as declared by the World Health Organisation, leading to the shutting down of the restaurant, hopefully temporarily, in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada at the moment, which comes from the national emergency declarations of the Federal Liberal Government of the Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau.]
Hines: I still have nightmares from my server years. I do recall nights as a server that were among the most stressful nights of my life. It is really tough when you are young and, obviously, if you are working in a decent restaurant; then, it is the best money. What it can take out of you is a lot, I focused on the darker aspects of that, the harder aspects of that. So, that it is, first of all, comedic, because if everyone is super nice to each other, then it is not funny. I instinctively went for the jugular on a type of woman or feminist. But it is a focus on a type of woman that is very human. But you should know that these are sort of surreal characters. They are not meant to represent all women or the darker side of women, but women in a place where the real estate is over $1,000 a square foot. They had to get there sometimes by not being the nicest people in the world. It is focused on this place. This place is imaginary. We talked about Margaret Atwood. It is not quite as extreme as The Handmaid’s Tale. It is its own strange place. Meanwhile, the condo that it is set in is called La Ferme. It is French for “The Farm.” It features live animals and living plants that ostensibly being raised and grown to eat. So, it has a beautiful aspect to it. The vegetation is gorgeous. Also, set against these problematic women are two women who share conversations with each other, which go back to the Bechdel Test, they are really beautiful conversations and fun conversations. Also, they are not about feminism or about men. In the case of this play, they are not about babies and families. They are about the world. I would say that those women are, if anything, the women people, hopefully, focus on the foreground against the background of these heinous women [Laughing].
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Hines: Because these women are kind of counterculture. They are finding their way through this job. They are going to school. All of that. They are resisting. So, we have two extremes of women. The ones there are more of; they are the heinous variety with self-serving, greedy, money focused, materialistic, and so on, at the expense of others type women. Then there are these two women who really are interested in the world, in their future, in the future of what is outside of the confines of La Ferme.
5. Jacobsen: If I may ask, was one of the nightmares from the restaurant serving time in your 20s incorporated into the play? And if so, what?
Hines: Yes! [Laughing] even when I was still serving, and after, I used to have a dream that my section as in 4 different locations. For a while, that dream was in some restaurant building that I was actually working in, but the dream morphed. Sometimes, it was in a forest. My section was in a forest. I couldn’t see the tables, I think, maybe, that is how subconsciously the vegetation has become part of the scenography of the play. I also used to dream that my section was on several different subway platforms. I would have to jump on the subway to check on my other three sections. So, this server has, on this night, a section spread out over 4 distinct areas. Her fellow server has not shown up. She is on her own. She is dealing with tables all over the place. And she can’t see them all.
6. Jacobsen: Is there a second nightmare?
Hines: I would say that that nightmare of not being able to see my tables because of trees and, sometimes, subway platforms was the nightmare that kept happening over the years. I am trying to think. I think the nightmares, too, include, usually, the stress coming from the tables. The pressured situation with customers who are not necessarily all that kind, which is very common. I think that a lot of servers will tell you that they might get jobs in better restaurants, but, often, the clientele becomes more demanding and more unpleasant as you move to finer dining.
7. Jacobsen: So, my last question, then, would be: I can’t ask you, ‘What is the meaning of the title?’ That’s for people to figure out themselves. I am not going to ask you, ‘What should people take away from the story?’ Because that could be a million things. What I am going to ask you is the reverse of the last question, what do you hope people not take away as a message from this play?
Hines: Oh! I hope that they don’t think that I am telling them to be vegan.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Hines: [Laughing] I mean, one, I think it is a great thing to be. But it is not about that. It is not about Me Too or about Trump, as I said. It is about the word. Yes, it has, to me, a relationship to animals. But it is not as simple or straightforward as, “You should stop eating meat.”
8. Jacobsen: Thank you for the lovely conversation today, Karen.
Hines: Thank you very much, I really enjoyed the questions.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Writer and Director.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hines; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Karen Hines on “All the Little Animals I Have Eaten” [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hines.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 1). An Interview with Karen Hines on “All the Little Animals I Have Eaten”. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hines.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Karen Hines on “All the Little Animals I Have Eaten”. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hines>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Karen Hines on “All the Little Animals I Have Eaten”.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hines.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Karen Hines on “All the Little Animals I Have Eaten”.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hines.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Karen Hines on “All the Little Animals I Have Eaten”‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hines>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Karen Hines on “All the Little Animals I Have Eaten”‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hines.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Karen Hines on “All the Little Animals I Have Eaten”.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hines>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Karen Hines on “All the Little Animals I Have Eaten” [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hines.
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Abstract
Julien Garrett Arpin is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: family background; the World Genius Directory; its positives and negatives; the Bible Belt background; Software Development and Network Engineering; differentiates Canadian society from American society; the award; the parenting style; the most honest moment in life; giftedness noted earlier in life; some of the intelligence tests taken; real IQ, authentic IQ, or true IQ; experience with peers and teachers in adolescence; the state of trust in the school faculties; a relevant gap in intelligence levels for sufficient communication with self-selected peers, friend groups, and mentors; the transition to university education; mundane, even trivial aspects of personal life; ADHD; some of the more exciting, novel, exhilarating, etc. parts of life; a chip on the shoulder and the narcissism in men; healthier, balanced sensibilities amongst the gifted; if a gifted person feels zero responsibility to utilize their gifts; a lifelong dream to some lifework or overarching life project; other organizations, groups, and resources; character traits; people internationally; Canadian personalities; some of the most creative people; the most cognitive horsepower in history; the Ashkenazim; the highest ethical standards and actual practices (word and deed) now; ethical duds; freethought; and revelation-based thinking failing or succeeding at this point.
Keywords: ADHD, Ashkenazim, giftedness, IQ, Julien Garrett Arpin, World Genius Directory.
An Interview with Julien Garrett Arpin on Canada, America, Intelligence, ADHD, and Impressive Figures (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Starting from some of the family backgrounds, what is it, e.g., culture, language, religion or none, geography, work, and educational attainments?
Julien Garrett Arpin: I was born in the northwestern corner of the state of Arkansas to English-speaking parents of humble beginnings in late August of 1995. My lineage is mainly French. Although my area falls within the Bible Belt of the US, my family was never particularly religious. I currently work as a software developer near Toronto, Canada, after finishing a 3-year program in Software Development and Network Engineering near here. It was during this 3-year period that I received the World Genius Directory’s 2017 Genius of the Year Award – America.
2. Jacobsen: For those who do not know, what is the World Genius Directory?
Arpin: It’s the current Who’s Who of the High-IQ World. The World Genius Directory was founded by a Dr Jason Betts, a member of Mensa Australia’s Administrative Committee. The WGD became an official member of the World Intelligence Network in August of 2012. The WGD’s motto is genius pro mundo, which is Latin for ‘genius for the world’. It serves as a central point of organization in the high-IQ community as a means of bringing gifted adults together in ways that are good for the world. To help achieve this, the World Genius Directory holds annual elections for the Genius of the Year Awards. The winners are selected to serve as representatives for the gifted community. There are three GOTY Awards given each year; one to a member in the Americas, one to a member in Europe, and one to a member in Asia. Some of the smartest people on the planet are in the World Genius Directory.
3. Jacobsen: What are its positives and negatives?
Arpin: There are more positives than negatives where the WGD is concerned. The members are respectful. Determining which tests are of sufficient quality for consideration by the WGD poses the challenge. Dr Betts handles this well by investigating and cataloguing many IQ tests and IQ societies from across the web. Those resources are available from the WGD website. Like many members of the WGD, Dr Betts designs and offers a selection of surprisingly accurate IQ tests, especially when taken together. The site serves as a reference point for anyone looking for IQ tests. Listed members of the WGD get access to a Facebook page that is always lively. I’ve met amazing people through the WGD. I see some of them on TV, others breaking world records. The WGD also serves as a resource for companies or organizations seeking giftedness or IQ talent. The WGD has faced controversy for its connection to psychic research. The website’s URL is http://psiq.org/. I don’t mind. Research shows that intellectual and intuitive abilities go hand-in-hand. In total, the negatives consist of room to champion pseudoscience while the positives consist of all the social benefits offered to the world and gifted community by such a Directory.
4. Jacobsen: With the Bible Belt background, is a religion in some manner connected to family general views on the world now?
Arpin: My family remains decidedly unreligious but open. The prevailing monotheism such as the religion of the Bible promotes the patriarchal value structure that is integral to the traditional American family, so these factors impact parts of everyone’s lives within the society. Science is the best religion. Politics is a tumultuous one. These things all culminate into something strange in the Bible Belt, where people don’t believe that climate change or COVID-19 are real. These conservative values buoy the Christian faith and become part of it to many. The regular salvos of religious propaganda eventually fostered a tendency for me to recognize signs of cultishness. I support and appreciate the utility of virtue. I understand that our concept of virtuousness has roots in theology. Religion is an effective means of instantiating virtuousness but isn’t necessarily or always the best way. The psychology underlying religious acceptance has changed how I see the human condition and desire for connection and safety. The journey from mythology to science is the positive disintegration of human sociality.
5. Jacobsen: Why pursue Software Development and Network Engineering?
Arpin: I loved video games and computers but knew very little about them. My electrical experience made me interested in electronics. Computer programming sounded enticing. I also had some ideas for software projects that I could only pursue after learning how to code. One is an advanced SMS platform that brings computing power to text-messaging, thereby optimizing customer retention with smarter SMS ad campaigns. The platform also makes it possible for the general public to access the internet over SMS. The platform and business model earned 2nd place in a pitch competition. Beyond learning to write software for those ideas, the networking element put a body to the brain of code. All in all, the choice to pursue software was a decision I never knew I always knew I would make.
6. Jacobsen: What differentiates Canadian society from American society?
Arpin: Canadians are a few points higher in terms of Latitude and IQ. One-third of a standard deviation, according to recent instalments of the WAIS. Canadians outscore Americans so consistently that they use a separate norm here. I live in Toronto, one of the most diverse cities in the world. The change is refreshing. It’s a far cry from my Arkansan hometown where the majority of citizens were born in the Western Hemisphere and had little cultural dissemination. Canadians are a good bit more polite than Americans, and only slightly more polite than southern hospitality. Canadian friendships don’t seem to run as deeply, however. Many Canadians are great acquaintances, but neither enemies nor friends. It stands to reason that this lack of emotional investment in groupthink is the price for Canadian diversity in business.
7. Jacobsen: What does the award mean to you?
Arpin: Direction. It doesn’t make me feel like a genius, but a representative of the gifted community. The plaque reminds me of how I can make an impact with my limited time here. A symbol of the trust others place in me, my dedication to the gifted community. The gifted community gives me that sense of belonging and morale.
8. Jacobsen: What was the parenting style towards you?
Arpin: My parents were laissez-faire in their parenting style. They believed that they could only influence me so much as an individual and that I would, ultimately, be the one making my own decisions in life. And so, the best they could hope to do was to teach me the fundamental principles that they had learned. They were supportive of my accomplishments and encouraged me to become a self-sustained adult, above all else. They taught me to balance compassion and logic and to think for myself. My parents were always honest with me and motivated me to do well in life.
9. Jacobsen: What was the most honest moment in life from them for you?
Arpin: Well, the truth hurts, so their most honest moment was probably a bitter wake-up call. Life is challenging at times, even for our parents. Their most honest moment was the one in which they revealed themselves as flawed, and told me for the first time that they would never be perfect. Their honesty opened my eyes so that I could begin the process of overcoming my childish naivety. The desire for the easy way out, to place complete faith in an archetypal parental figure in hopes of validating the inner experience is the force that leads to blind trust in authority and dogmatism. The ugliest moments are usually the best learning opportunities.
10. Jacobsen: Was giftedness noted earlier in life, or not? How was this nurtured, or not?
Arpin: Certain signs were present from early on. An aunt tells me that when I was extremely young, just a baby in the cradle, she came to see what I looked like for the first time, and made a joke that I looked like Yoda in all my fleshy, newly born appearance. Her words seemed to ring true as everyone in the room began to laugh, but then they all stopped laughing and looked at me in shock when they realized that I was crying because they were all laughing at me. She said that I somehow understood that they were all making fun of me, and I wouldn’t look at her for a while. The fact that she recognized that and acted accordingly was pretty nurturing. My parents are unsure when I learned how to read and write. I had the reading comprehension of a sophomore-level university student in third grade. I won a competition in the library for guessing the number of jelly-beans in an extra-large pickle jar that year. At about the same time, my class was administering timed multiplication tests consisting of 80 to 100 problems that students were to complete in under 2 minutes. To encourage effort, the school promised every student that received perfect scores on all timed tests ice cream at the end of the semester. I was the only student to eat ice cream when the time came. It felt horrible. In fourth grade, I won a district spelling bee against junior high schoolers. My parents also divorced when I was in fourth grade. I moved to a new school district in fifth grade and was placed in a gifted program there in sixth grade. The gifted program was incredible for me. It put me with kids that seemed to understand me, and I forged friendships there that hold to this day.
11. Jacobsen: What have been some of the intelligence tests taken by you? What have been some of the scores, and what were their standard deviations? What would be the relative cognitive rarity for you?
Arpin: I have taken many cognitive ability tests of many different types. I generally refer to my IQ as 154 with 15-point standard deviations, which would put me at a relative rarity of about one person in every 6,284. I scored 154 on the Wonderlic Personnel Test, and 154 on the entrance test to the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry. However, my scores have reached as high as the 170s. I scored 5.06 sigmas above the sample mean (IQ 175) on the MITRE/Educational Testing Services Inductive Reasoning Battery for a High Ability Population, Figure Series, Form 1. I also scored 170 on the test RADIUS by Hans Sjoberg. I scored at the 99.99th percentile of the population on a quiz of social psychological skills from Yale University without a formal background in psychology, which means I have a sense for social patterns. Research indicates that those abilities correlate with general intelligence. I also achieved ceiling scores on multiple intelligence tests from the Psychometrics Centre at Cambridge University. I scored 145+ on IQ tests from various universities including the Hagen Matrices Tests from Hagen University, ICAR 60 from Northwestern University, and the MV2G from SRH University of Applied Science Heidelberg. I have a few more niche scores, as well. On Hawk-Eye, a test of visual processing speed by Dr Micheal Merzenich, PhD, I scored at the ceiling of the test with a visual processing speed below 76 milliseconds. I scored at the 100th percentile on the Verbal Memory Test from Human Benchmark after memorizing around 220 words. I correctly guessed 14 randomly generated coin-flips in a row during a proctored Binary Intuition Test for the group Trishula, a member society of Elysian Fields. The source of randomness for that test was the TRNG or True Random Number Generator at random.org based on atmospheric white noise.
12. Jacobsen: What seems like the real IQ, authentic IQ, or true IQ, for you?
Arpin: 154. Exact IQ scores are somewhat fallacious. Even if I somehow extracted a perfect measure of my IQ to the hundredth of a point, it would fluctuate within seconds. Overall, my IQ scores cluster near the 145-160 range. I consider my IQ to be 154.
13. Jacobsen: How was your experience with peers and teachers in adolescence?
Arpin: My experience with peers and teachers was somewhat challenging during that period of my life. In high school, I often ate lunch alone after selling food to other kids more cheaply than the school was offering it. Some of my old friends, many from the gifted program, would pass by and say hello, so I always knew that I had a few close friends. But I always perceived a disconnect from the general student body. I quit the gifted program in 8th grade because the program instructor had recently transferred from teaching students much younger than I was. Also, my woodshop teacher was punishing me for my time spent in the gifted program instead of his class. My peers had a nasty track record where I was concerned. Once, in high school, I was the only person with an answer to a question during a test review. The teacher was out of the room, and someone openly asked the classroom what the answer to that question was. I thought I could help, so I shared my thoughts, but then nearly every member of the class turned around in their seats and called me an idiot for having that answer! And my answer was right! Fairly perplexing. The next day, the teacher managed to overlook me while taking attendance even though I was there. It didn’t make me feel respected or recognized. It reminded me of my teachers in middle school that would get fed up with my questions. Early into high school, someone from the school football team began belittling me in front of the class. I knew that my peers would have continued the downward spiral and made my life hell if left unchecked. So, I used my knowledge of social patterns to rally a group of students behind me, and we caught the bully between classes. It worked out in my favour. That campaign earned me new friends and peace of mind until graduation. From then on, I had very little faith in school faculty. I would ask questions and receive empty answers. Soon, I stopped participating in some classes entirely. The teachers weren’t sure what to do with me as my standardized test scores were the highest in the courses that I wasn’t attending. At age 14, I discovered an art form that garnered some recognition in my neighbourhood and school: lyricism. I developed skills in lyricism to secure a place in the social hierarchy, and as a means of personal expression. My peers became more accepting of me after I began writing rhymes. I never understood that giftedness was the reason that I felt disconnected from them.
14. Jacobsen: What is the state of trust in the school faculties now?
Arpin: I think that academia is finally recognizing its issues, so I have hope for the not-so-distant future. According to many sources, the intellectual quality of academic institutions began to plummet in 2014. Some never-before-seen wave of cognitive and ethical famine struck American universities in the form of cancel culture and girls-only safe spaces. Suddenly professors could do things they’ve always done and get dogpiled by triggered students. As legislative restrictions increased, the university gates became less selective. So every year, less qualified students enter less enriching learning environments under the halfhearted tutelage of increasingly defensive professors. For many students, the lack of that nourishing environment is reason alone not to waste money on bus tickets to class. It becomes more economic to simply skip class, teach themselves everything they need to know from YouTube and only set foot on campus for midterms and final exams. Academia has withstood heavy blows in light of recent trends, but it will redeem itself soon enough.
15. Jacobsen: What seems like a relevant gap in intelligence levels for sufficient communication with self-selected peers, friend groups, and mentors?
Arpin: It is subjective, but maybe I can represent my thoughts in an objectively meaningful way. It seems that intelligence differences over 1.5 standard deviations in size present challenges to communication. In my personal opinion, a common interest extends this communication range to 3 sigmas, with each additional shared interest extending it by about half as much as the previous iteration. A rough example could go as follows. Imagine an average adult having a conversation with an equally average child. Unless the child is almost an adult, there probably won’t be much fulfiling conversation taking place. Their brains and internal languages are too different. But now imagine that the adult and child have a common interest, like a sport. What if the adult is the kid’s football coach? Suddenly, the two of them can see eye to eye in many ways, speaking in external terms, as men united by a common goal. So, I would answer your question in terms of magnitudes of intelligence differences and personal similarities.
16. Jacobsen: How was the transition to university education?
Arpin: It would be an understatement to say that I was looking forward to the me-time following high school graduation. After finishing 12th grade, I took some time off. I became an electrician for a year. After that, I worked a few odd jobs in charitable organizations until I decided to attend college to become a software developer. Three years had passed since my high school graduation, and I was happy to have taken the opportunity to mature and decide what I wanted in life. I picked software development because I knew nothing about it, and I wanted to pursue something challenging. Met with course material I found stimulating, I began to rediscover my giftedness during college. The college experience was transformational for me. My classmates in college were friendlier to communicate with than in high school. Finishing my exams in a few minutes never made me feel guilty in college! My college professors still didn’t always understand my questions or give good enough answers, but it was much better than high school.
17. Jacobsen: What have been some rather mundane, even trivial aspects of personal life for you
Arpin: The taste of toothpaste has always bothered me, but I grin through it for my coworkers. The orderliness of chores has the air of artistic expression rather than a functional requirement. Having never particularly enjoyed colouring or drawing, I find little satisfaction in arbitrary house-chores. Ceaseless swapping of spatial position is a cheap distraction from what matters. In my opinion, the form should always follow the function. Things like doing the dishes seem like nothing more than time-consuming meditative practices. I can merely purchase plastic dinnerware or purchase food items that don’t require many dishes. Consider the fact that using a drinking glass is obsolete compared to drinking from water fountains. You create cross-contamination every time you drink water that has touched the inside of a glass. More suitable to cut out the middle-man and drink the water as it falls from the faucet. These sorts of daily processes that could be optimized or reduced are my bane. I have ADHD and find the tedium of paperwork insufferable. I need to clear out my email inbox, for that matter.
18. Jacobsen: When was ADHD diagnosed? This is common for boys and men, far more than girls and women.
Arpin: In 12th grade. Retrospectively, it probably would have helped to be diagnosed sooner. Giftedness and ADHD can conceal one another. Oh well, I’m just happy that I found out about it before I graduated from high school.
19. Jacobsen: What have been some of the more exciting, novel, exhilarating, etc. parts of life for you?
Arpin: The intensity of my personal experience leaves me in awe of the beauty of existence. Our universe hangs in perfect harmony. Even a simple juxtaposition of sticks can teach us about balance and identity, and these learnings excite me. I’m a hyperphantasic HSP. I have a vivid mind’s eye, a mental space where I can imagine and experience. This characteristic helps me anticipate and prepare for the road ahead. Impactful music can invoke rapture within me. I actively pursue euphoric moments. I find fringe research that probes the limitations of knowledge to be among the most fulfilling uses of time. Nothing electrifies my being like learning something that forces me to rethink everything I think I know, and the frontiers of science tend to do that. I enjoy researching things like natural science, consciousness, reality, number theory, identity, and everything in between. The mystical experience has highlighted my time on Earth.
20. Jacobsen: Some gifted individuals develop a chip on their shoulder based on particular senses of entitlement in life because of their innate gifts and, therefore, the internalized idea of natural rights, deserved status, and place in society because of the gifts, even unique talents or character qualities, of them. Some may develop a lifelong chip on their shoulder towards well-established academic institutions, to the workaday world, to socialization, to the intimacy of any form, or to building a mature legacy to pass down in progeny or productions. Men are more probable to develop narcissism than women. I observe this in some sub-demographics of the male gifted population. Why is this the case, in both cases of a chip on the shoulder and the narcissism in men?
Arpin: The answer is simple, though perhaps less cheerful than you might hope. The reason this happens as a natural process is because it is the natural order. The gifted have always been persecuted, bullied, burned as witches, or shoved into lockers. Admitting that a superior capability exists without understanding the nature of its advantage will raise the alarms of most people. The less intelligent members of any group that relies on intelligence to wage war and survive will feel threatened by their more intelligent contemporaries. Even after the intelligent one does everything they can to help society, this will be the case. Oh, a clever inventor invented a streetlight to bring light to a dark world? No thanks, it will be called the devil’s candle, and they might meet the same fate as Galileo. Things seemingly changed on the surface level after the gifted community provided technology to the world in the form of computers and internet access. Gifted individuals are exploited for their abilities, treated as expensive assets, just to be deserted, denied, and detested by their brothers. I was seven the first time I saw Bill Gates called the antichrist on a Windows PC. Bill Gates could give away billions of dollars and reconstruct his entire life mission to reduce poverty and death in the third world. He would be blamed for their deaths. He could even warn us of upcoming pandemics, and the world would blame him once it arrived. Time to fetch the pitch-forks. Western culture rewards narcissism with social affluence and romantic opportunities. To be frighteningly smart and nice appears threatening and obsequious. As such, a chip on the shoulder in the gifted male is rarely a result of unfounded narcissism. These responses are war strategies and often necessary. Studies indicate that most school shooters in America are gifted students. Is it narcissism that leads these students to seek revenge? Not necessarily. So why wouldn’t the gifted individual be interested in passing on their good works and strengths to future generations? Well, the reality is your progeny and productions are the capital that will ultimately be criminalized by our selfish and destructive military-industrial complex built to subsidize the farthest reaches of the world to underpin the development of our society. Given this, there should be little question about why many abnormally intelligent individuals develop a chip on their shoulder towards society. Many choose not to contribute out of self-defence. Narcissism often gets misdiagnosed in gifted individuals.
21. Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, how can we help develop healthier, balanced sensibilities amongst the gifted who may be on a negative life trajectory due to internal factors rather than some of the external factors some may observe with Bill Sidis and others?
Arpin: Gifted children develop asynchronously, or at different rates than other children in certain areas. That’s why gifted education programs are so essential for them. Human beings are social animals that require connection to thrive. Without peer groups, gifted individuals often miss out on the reciprocation they need to develop to their fullest potential. Forcing a child to attend a school they find mediocre, threatening, or uncaring isn’t healthy for them. Their developmental trajectories must be accepted and nurtured. Academic institutions have to increase the attention they give gifted education. Lack of knowledge on behalf of educators is no excuse. Ignorance of giftedness from parents is no excuse, either. Parents should always be held accountable for nurturing their children with special needs, and gifted children are considered by many to be a special needs group. All families of gifted children should be familiar with Dabrowski’s Overexcitabilties. For those that may not know, Polish psychologist Kazimierz Dabrowski developed a theory called the Theory of Positive Disintegration that was adopted by the gifted community after its tenets seemed applicable to the group. It posits that only through facing struggles and surviving can we encounter the circumstances that teach us what it means to be better than we are. The five overexcitabilities of the gifted are intellectual, imaginational, emotional, sensual, and psychomotor. Most gifted children have at least one of the OEs, and many have more than one. These overexcitabilities alter or intensify the experiences of intellectually gifted children in ways that are qualitatively different from the norm. Unrecognized, these overexcitabilities can lead to misunderstanding, misbehaviour, and misdiagnosis. We neglect the gifted child every time we downplay their experience or minimize how they feel, and so we must learn to be more accepting of their sensitivities. Teach the gifted child what it means to be gifted. Never leave the child room to wonder why they feel so different from their classmates lest they blame themselves. Show them that capability brings responsibility and what responsibility means. Let them gravitate to their natural domains so that they can identify their strengths and then apply them to other areas. Give them the freedom to express their capabilities and insights, and you will see incredible things. Help them find meaning whenever they ask you for it. Unite them with others like them so that they can connect and grow within a peer group. The world will challenge the gifted child, that much is certain. We must protect the gifted children. We must teach them strength, patience, and compassion. It’s our responsibility to lead by example as we build environments that cultivate these ideals. That means being willing to move the gifted children into a more advanced or appropriate classroom if that’s what it takes to keep them engaged and on track.
22. Jacobsen: What if a gifted person feels zero responsibility to utilize their gifts?
Arpin: Responsibility is a human experience. You cannot survive without being responsible enough to acquire sustenance. With that in mind, what could cause such a hangup where one would choose to stop eating? An unutilized gift isn’t necessarily a wasted chance just like movement for movement’s sake doesn’t necessarily get you anywhere. Maybe such an individual grew to detest their gift after it caused trouble for them. So, they stopped contributing that side of themselves and let it sink into ambivalence. Perhaps they refuse to be exploited in that particular way but are happy to help in others. Or maybe they are depressed, in which case, there are more pertinent problems than their questionable inclinations, like making sure they have a reason to go on living. The question isn’t really about which utilities someone should feel most inclined to use, or when, but what they hope to use them on. Is this a rejection of the self for the sake of others, or of others for the self? Are these choices involuntary reflexes or conscious boycotts? The reflex requires external help in the form of empathy and time to help the gifted individual heal from the trauma that caused them to deny their gifts. Voluntary rejection doesn’t need any external justification or assistance. A human being is free to abstain from that which disturbs it. These individuals will likely seek some other means of chemical fulfilment since their active minds won’t have responsibility-powered reward chemicals in ready supply. Acting responsibly, especially with others to create a sense of group belonging, is hard-wired into the human psyche as a source of happiness.
23. Jacobsen: Have you had a lifelong dream to some lifework or overarching life project?
Arpin: My goal is and has been to facilitate a dynamic through which I can enhance society through the nurturance and enrichment of the gifted population. The WGD has made this possible, but there is still much to be done. We are in a position to provide resources that every family with internet access can use to identify and nurture giftedness in their own homes and communities. These gifted children will be the ones to invent the solutions to the pollution and environmental toxins left behind by the military-industrial complex. I’m grateful to work with organizations such as the World Genius Directory, Elysian Fields, and leaders in the field of giftedness from all around the world to accomplish this.
24. Jacobsen: What other organizations, groups, and resources exist to provide some backing and support, and community, for the gifted young – and the general gifted population?
Arpin: There are many IQ societies designed for various levels of giftedness. Some of the classic names include Mensa, Intertel, the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry, the Triple Nine Society, the Prometheus Society, and the Mega Society. Mensa has special interest groups that focus on gifted kids. For families, other organizations include the National Association for Gifted Children (www.nagc.org), Supporting Emotional Needs of the Gifted (www.sengifted.org), Educations for the Gifted Organization (www.edgo.ca), and Hoagie’s Gifted Education Page (www.hoagiesgifted.org).
25. Jacobsen: What character traits in people impress you?
Arpin: Awareness, honesty, compassion, empathy, originality, ingenuity, intelligence, diligence, courage, patience, wisdom, charisma, and consistency are rather impressive to me. All of the strengths listed in the VIA Strengths Finder. Willingness to question one’s own beliefs is priceless.
26. Jacobsen: What people internationally impress you?
Arpin: Lately, I’ve been thinking about the Nigerians. Despite incredible odds, they continue to strive for excellence and to improve conditions for their nation and people. Nigerians are the best-educated national group in the United States. Of all Nigerians in the US, nearly 20% hold Master’s degrees. A stark contrast to the almost 30% of Nigerians that are currently considered illiterate in their country. Nigeria is still working to improve educational conditions after declaring independence from Great Britain in 1960. It’s been a steady march. Nigeria recently eradicated polio from their country with the help of the Gates Foundation. And that wasn’t long after overcoming the Ebola outbreak. Nigeria now has the largest economy in Africa. The country has a spin on Hollywood called Nollywood, which is the third-largest film industry in the world and pumps out four dozen movies each week. The Nigerian work ethic and sense of culture culminate into something inspirational. Nigerians lead by example and leave a hopeful mark in the world.
27. Jacobsen: What Canadian personalities impress you?
Arpin: I have a lot of respect for Jordan Peterson from the University of Toronto and Patricia Susan Jackson or P. Susan Jackson from the Daimon Institute for the Highly Gifted. They both raise awareness of giftedness to help the current generation improve circumstances for the upcoming generations. I’d be willing to bet they’re both gifted themselves, too. Peterson is a professor of Psychology that gained a lot of attention for his refusal to adhere to shifting political tides in academia. Peterson’s willingness to discuss the realities of IQ has opened millions of eyes to the situation of intellectual giftedness and intellectual disability. P. Susan Jackson is a psychotherapist and advocate for gifted youth. She founded the Daimon Institute for the Highly Gifted as a clinic for psychotherapy and research of exceptionally gifted children. She also travels and speaks to schools and associations on how to recognize and foster giftedness. These individuals go the distance and fight for what they believe. I’m happy to see them succeed because they also fight for what I believe.
28. Jacobsen: Who are some of the most creative people that you have known?
Arpin: As a software developer working in the labs of the leading banks in Canada, I meet programmers that blow my mind with what they can create. Be it some graphical design, animation for a webpage, an algorithm for a database, or a new puzzle game for your smartphone, they can do it. Software engineers are more creative than people think. They’re creative enough to create ways to keep creating.
29. Jacobsen: Who are the people whom you consider to have the most cognitive horsepower in history?
Arpin: By statistical and historical standards, the Ashkenazi Jews seem to have the most cognitive horsepower of any ethnic group. In terms of singular individuals, mathematical thinkers such as Newton, Einstein, Euler, Gödel, von Neumann, and others come to mind. In terms of nations, I would give the United States and China credit for amassing the most cognitive horsepower to achieve their goals.
30. Jacobsen: Why the Ashkenazim? Is this on verbal intelligence, on general intelligence, or both?
Arpin: I was referring to their above-average general IQ scores, which are strongly influenced by their verbal and mathematical prowess. If the average IQ is 100, the average Ashkenazi IQ is around 112. That means the average Ashkenazi Jew will score higher on intelligence tests than 81% of the population. These findings are well known. Verbal intelligence has a kind of cumulative effect whose advantage shifts with circumstances and grows more refined over time. The Ashkenazi Jews are perhaps the embodiment of intellectual persecution, where much antisemitism was born from jealousy of Jewish success in commerce and politics. With verbal intelligence being their forte, the Ashkenazi Jews are skilled at naming things. It’s almost like some God created them to name all the living things on Earth. But all jokes aside, they seem to be leading the proverbial pack.
31. Jacobsen: Who are the people whom you consider to have the highest ethical standards and actual practices (word and deed) now?
Arpin: The most ethical individuals are those that kindle the flames of critical thought and compassion in others. Those that challenge their own biases and readily admit their mistakes in hopes of becoming wiser are usually the ones with the responsibility to make the hard decisions. The network effect of the modern world gives each idea the potential to become a revolutionary ideology. Given our increasing population size, societal complexity, and technological interconnectivity, the wise teacher is more than a pillar of society but a foundation for the future. I could name mainstream intellectuals, provocateurs, and thinkers known for challenging the status quo. These thinkers are rising in popularity because their ethical value is becoming increasingly self-evident. Reaching a sufficient level of influence will lead ethical individuals to divert focus away from their initial strategies to give back to the community. Examples of this include billionaires-turned-philanthropists like Bill Gates and Jack Ma. Those of the highest ethical substance make sacrifices for the greater good after putting in the work to make sure they have something worth offering.
32. Jacobsen: Who are ethical duds – all show, no substance?
Arpin: Emotionally Volatile, Ideological Leftists. These people claim to value individuality and difference of opinion, yet would stone us to death at the mention of mere scientific facts. That is a paramount ethical failure. These false prophets belong in mental hospitals. Emotionally Volatile, Ideological Leftists are so incompetent that they can’t even bring themselves to complete a Google search as a means of checking whether the next statue on the anti-racism disassembly line is of an abolitionist or a civil rights activist. This left is hysterical, bloodthirsty, illogical, and hell-bent on revenge for the horrors of life. The truth is that I’m politically left-leaning, yet I find myself inching ever so slightly to the right with every newsreel of a violent mob fighting the fool’s fight. I like to say that I left the left for the right only to right the right, for the left. We have to fix these problems ourselves. Sadly, some are too far gone to open their ears to the fact that there are truths on all sides. But alas, patience is golden.
33. Jacobsen: When you reflect on the types of philosophies out there, whether supernaturalistic and revelation-based philosophies found in various religions and theologies, naturalistic in the freethinker and natural philosophies or some variations of spirituality-by-practice without formalization in a religious codification or operation within the considerations of modern empiricism?
Arpin: That depends on what problems you hope to solve. The utility of a school of thought exists in its ability to solve distinct problems. The epistemology of freethought is the inherent mechanism by which human beings can adapt to change by overcoming and learning from challenges. But there is a price. Freethought encourages individualism, and being a lone individual in any arena can pose a risk. As such, the legacy of freethought is the expansion of science through trial-and-error, and then social forces propagate the results throughout the larger collective. This process only works when the virtues and proponents of freethought are encouraged and protected on a societal level. Inversely, spirituality-by-practice serves an effective means of training a population to work in unison. The process is Pavlovian. An army united under morale strikes with many times the force. In many senses, it doesn’t matter what lies they believe so long as they strike hard enough. Synchronized movement enhances group cooperation, and so many religions and corporations require their practitioners to engage in coordinated rituals as a team-building exercise. Revelation-based philosophies are the result of spirituality-by-practice attempting to grapple with change without losing sight of some leading tenet of morale. Freethought is the most objective and appropriate philosophical framework for current circumstances.
34. Jacobsen: What else follows from freethought?
Arpin: Logical models of the all. Freethought is an infinitely expanding process where each answer brings questions. Where does it end? At the boundary of perception and logic. When the understanding of reality becomes so nuanced that there is nothing new to ask, then dogma and revelation-based thinking will rise to preserve the status quo until more questions present themselves. The continuous output of freethought is the sciences, but stagnating sciences rot and turn to dogmatic beliefs.
35. Jacobsen: Is revelation-based thinking failing or succeeding at this point?
Arpin: Succeeding. It’s becoming more common in the public forum as scientific knowledge becomes a beacon of class privilege, turning the people against science. Supernaturalistic beliefs are cheap, and the only thing many fanatics can afford. So, as time progresses, revelation-based thinking breeds revolutionaries that seek to dismantle the boards of freethinking rationalism on their spurious eureka moments. I’ll call them revelationaries. The world is growing narcissistic, more emotional, and less intelligent due in large part to social forces like social media. These echo chambers feed confirmation bias in ways we’ve never seen. Combine this with an age of misinformation where you can find a supporting study for any claim. What you get are the roiling makings of an ideological Crock-Pot. Now, empowered by false narratives and lazy research, household revelationaries are losing patience with the rationalist narrative. At worst, they consider lengthy justifications and proofs as time-consuming trivialities or outright attacks against them. Such accusations aren’t the product of logic and reason, those fair instruments of discourse and debate, but dogma and hysteria. At best, they develop new pseudosciences that they hope to imbue with some sense of economic value that they can profit off. Those without the psychospiritual resources to stand steadfast against the torrent of falsehoods will fall to the confusing storm. There will always be the people that turn to their irrational revelations for the answers. Flat-Earthers. Climate change deniers. IQ deniers. All symptoms of a grander process as integral to human nature as cognitive dissonance. So, yes, revelation-based thinking is on the upsurge in the form of science denialism.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/arpin-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
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Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020
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Abstract
Mhedi Banafshei is a Member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: family background; the emphasis on the political nature; religion in Iran and in the UK; values of “education, secularism, and ambition”; a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy; sociology; religion; professional lives of brothers; the juxtaposition of religiosity and secularism for mom and dad; particular denomination of religion; the long-term future of religion in the 21st century; the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent; an agreeable disposition; homosexuality; purpose of intelligence tests; high intelligence; peers who were around the same intellectual level; the ways in which the geniuses of have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered; the greatest geniuses in history; great living geniuses; the profoundly gifted; differentiation of a genius from a profoundly intelligent person; talent gone to the garbage heap; some work experiences and educational certifications; business adventure; some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses; some social and political views; more on social and political perspectives; the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion; science; tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations); and ethical philosophy.
Keywords: background, geniuses, IQ, Islam, Mhedi Banafshei, religion, Shia Islam.
An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on Background, Religion, Geniuses, and Intelligence Tests (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What was family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Mhedi Banafshei: Both of my parents are native Iranians, and I’m the oldest of three brothers born in the UK. My parents, particularly my father, have always been quite strictly religious despite embracing the secularism of society. My father attained a master’s degree in sociology, which made him an interesting man of combined education and religiosity. Overall, I believe being a product of both British and traditional Iranian culture of religious conservatism has been valuable in terms of gaining a broader understanding of various human cultures and concepts. Having to sometimes deal with the contrasting elements of the aforementioned has made it easier for me to develop the ability to see the different sides of issues.
2. Jacobsen: Why the emphasis on the political nature?
Banafshei: My father was a supporter of the government of Shah and was quite displeased about the Islamic revolution as he considers the successive regime to be a force of injustice and violent oppression. In terms of the UK, he has often communicated historical anxieties in terms of feeling uncertain about his place in the country and his belief that he has struggled to get an appropriate position in his field due to institutional discrimination of ethnicity and religion. Growing up, I remember being told that in order to avoid problems of a similar nature, I should be a leading example of correctness within all educational, social and professional structures I participate in, lest I risk being unsuccessful for being perceived as an imperfect example of some social fringe.
3. Jacobsen: What was religion in Iran and in the UK for your parents?
Banafshei: Like most Iranians, both of my parents were raised in families of Shia Islam. They have remained firmly dedicated to their religious heritage throughout their lives.
4. Jacobsen: Who do the values of “education, secularism, and ambition” mean to you?
Banafshei: My philosophy of life is that knowing things, being productive and being an ethically advanced person is likely to lead to better outcomes for myself and others. I’ve had some processes of trial and error in relation to these things which have aided me on my path to this determined position.
5. Jacobsen: Have these stores helped provide a sense of an extended self or a sense of the family legacy?
Banafshei: I guess they made sense. The role models we have when growing up are undoubtedly important, and I feel grateful to know mine have been relatively positive ones.
6. Jacobsen: Why did your father pursue a degree in sociology at the graduate level?
Banafshei: I think one important factor has been that he’s apparently a man who is predisposed to being more interested in dealing with the theoretical aspects of things. It’s something I have always found reasonably understandable as a thinker myself, even if I have very often tended to see things quite differently to him.
7. Jacobsen: What is religion to him (your dad)
Banafshei: It’s the system that gives his life meaning. Without an eternal purpose, life has no meaning, he has told me. He reminds me of his belief that without the guidance religion can provide, people are likely to fall for any ideological evil and become the victims of any pitfall of life. I guess being cognizant of the immense importance of religion for him while not being religious myself is something that has in part caused me to become inspired to learn about the range of the ideas of our species.
8. Jacobsen: What are some of the professional lives of your brothers?
Banafshei: My youngest brother is still of school-age. My other brother is not in employment as he has special needs. As an older brother, I do my best to be a supportive figure of hopefully some value in terms of helping him face some of the challenges he has to deal with. I feel that I’ve developed good sensitivity and awareness of some of the things many people have to deal with in the course of their lives as a result of my efforts to make what has sometimes felt like a vital difference.
9. Jacobsen: What is the juxtaposition of religiosity and secularism for mom and dad, and you?
Banafshei: Their view has been that secularism requires public acceptance and private separation of opposing ideals. No system is perfect, and I believe things can, and do, generally function a little better than that. Of course, ultimately only time and further social development will reveal more clearly how a society should, or could, be arranged in terms of the seemingly opposing structures.
10. Jacobsen: What seems like the long-term future of religion in the 21st century with the onslaughts on science with some of the persistent supernaturals and assertions of faith texts and practices?
Banafshei: Religion will decline further as scientific advances reveal more about the various natures of our existences. It will always be around as it seems to fulfil some human spiritual need, but as we develop more tools of human welfare such systems will become redundant for more people.
11. Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers and schoolmates as a child and an adolescent?
Banafshei: I think I was always a relatively agreeable kid who tried to be approachable and friendly with peers. My personal development of such has related to learning that it’s not always wrong to be relatively selective in terms of social association. If we define the term intelligent colloquially, then I can assert that I’ve often felt socially incompatible with the non-intelligent.
12. Jacobsen: Is an agreeable disposition helpful for the gifted and talented?
Banafshei: I’m not sure I could provide any general advice for the gifted in terms of this. There is a range of gifted people and different things will work for different gifted people. And of course that’s not even to suggest that the social disposition of a person is necessarily more important somehow if they happen to be gifted.
13. Jacobsen: “Contrasting,” how so, in more precise terms?
Banafshei: Homosexuality and the mild sexual imagery of media representations were often the subject of serious criticism at home. I felt uncomfortable with any normalization of such things at school as child, but as I grew up it wasn’t difficult to accept some of the contradictions of the two cultures of my developmental periods.
14. Jacobsen: What is the purpose of intelligence tests to you?
Banafshei: At first it was to simply ascertain my IQ. And since I now have some idea of that, I like to occasionally look at them for purposes of seeking enjoyable intellectual challenges.
15. Jacobsen: When was high intelligence discovered for you?
Banafshei: I guess I started to think about the possibility of this when I started to attain good exam results on some secondary school tests I didn’t care about and didn’t study for. The confidence I gained from that resulted in IQ testing not too long after.
16. Jacobsen: Any peers who were around the same intellectual level for you?
Banafshei: I had one friend in secondary school who had good grades, a relatively impressive store of general knowledge, and seemed obviously of above-average intelligence. Sadly, I soon got the chance to learn that he was also arrogant, had antisocial attitudes and believed some races of people are inferior. It was then that I realized being intelligent doesn’t make you better than anyone else. Intelligence is only one aspect of an individual’s constitution, and I’m concerned with much more than just that.
17. Jacobsen: When you think of the ways in which the geniuses of have either been mocked, vilified, and condemned if not killed, or praised, flattered, platformed, and revered, what seems like the reason for the extreme reactions to and treatment of geniuses? Many alive today seem camera shy – many, not all.
Banafshei: The better something is understood, the less likely it is to be vilified or glorified. And in relation to this, one can never be truly praised or condemned for reflecting the conceptual systems of another back to them, which by definition is not the role the genius has to play.
18. Jacobsen: Who seem like the greatest geniuses in history to you?
Banafshei: I would mention Aristotle and Leonardo da Vinci. They were not only prominent historical geniuses of great contribution but also ones who had the vision to do great work in many areas of study. The true geniuses achieved what they did because they refused to be conservative in their estimations of what they could have achieved.
19. Jacobsen: Who seem like great living geniuses to you?
Banafshei: I consider the greatest geniuses to be those who can be clearly connected to the most significant changes of the world. This would currently include bill gates, warren buffet, Elias James Corey, and James Watson among others.
20. Jacobsen: What is normally considered conservative in this context to delimit the full range of possibilities of the profoundly gifted to become achievers while not geniuses?
Banafshei: Most observers of any accomplishment of note will have quite limited expectations of what is possible as a result of what they’ve seen materialize, which is something they’ll often make obvious for others to see. Geniuses are rarely, if ever, those who internalize the suggestions of people who urge others to be ‘realistic’ and have limited perspectives of what they can achieve.
21. Jacobsen: What differentiates a genius from a profoundly intelligent person?
Banafshei: I think one reasonable definition of genius could be that of people who live up to their potential. Few people, myself included currently, get close to achieving the best that they could in any area of their natural capability. The difference between possibility and reality is often the difference between smart people and geniuses.
22. Jacobsen: How much talent has gone to the garbage heap due to racist and sexist ideologies, wars, famine, societal and cultural values against individual enterprise, political constraints on radical transformation of societal ideals and norms, etc.?
Banafshei: It would certainly be interesting to know. This question resonates with me as a person who conforms to very few stereotypes of intelligence. I have not tended to be what’s regarded as nerdy, I have no university qualifications, I’m a product and member of the working-class, and I have had considerable experiences of being overlooked as a member of minority groups which seem to be gladly associated with various forms of propaganda by growing numbers of people these days. As a result of this, I have often felt like I’ve been treated in a way that is consistent with what many expect of me in terms of these things rather than anything observable of me in actuality, which has often felt strange and alienating. I think the result of my life experiences has been that I’ve become determined to correct what’s wrong and clarify what’s true. Being written off many times in life has motivated me to try to be a positive representation of who I truly am and to inspire others to be similarly appropriate beings. Those who face difficulties relating to your question have a responsibility to overcome the obstacles they face to create a better world not only for themselves but also those who’ll be just like them.
23. Jacobsen: What have been some work experiences and educational certifications for you?
Banafshei: I have passed a basic business course in college when I was nineteen and have since worked in a variety of roles ranging from those of administration to those in the hospitality sector, I have worked as a chef for a longer period of time than I have in other roles. My current aspirations include the idea of starting my own business in the near future.
24. Jacobsen: What kind of business adventure?
Banafshei: Without giving everything away, I can say that I intend on starting a business, or business, that’ll be inclusive of the things I care about which relate to giftedness, psychology, research, community building, and various forms of media to name a few.
25. Jacobsen: What are some of the more important aspects of the idea of the gifted and geniuses? Those myths that pervade the cultures of the world. What are those myths? What truths dispel them?
Banafshei: In relation to the above, one of the myths I’m aware of is the idea that only one in a billion of us can be an Einstein and that the rest of humanity ought to realize that they can’t be ‘geniuses’ or contribute anything of much value. The fact is there are many, many more people out there with great innovative potential than what seems to be popularly estimated. Great potential seems to be much rarer than it really is to people when they fail to grasp that the achievement of a person is not necessarily only limited by what they are capable of. Success is better evidence of intelligence than failure is of stupidity. The myths of intelligence will be dispelled by efforts of using it.
26. Jacobsen: What are some social and political views for you? Why hold them?
Banafshei: I don’t have any fixed social or political view. There are different ways of societal functioning, and different people are suited to different systems.
27. Jacobsen: Where have you sat before? Where do you sit now? I am speaking socially and politically.
Banafshei: For most of my life, my views haven’t been dissimilar to what’s seen as the prevailing ones of British society. I believe what’s right is simply a matter of context. If we want to implement the correct social/political systems, then we ought to be dedicated to being knowledgeable about things first. People who currently have loud political voices are often not very intelligent or knowledgeable. And too many people tend to be socio-politically disinterested apparently due to pessimism of change and a lack of appreciation of the important issues.
28. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on the God concept or gods idea and philosophy, theology, and religion?
Banafshei: As a non-religious person, my interest in religion is based on a desire to try to understand it’s connection to historical human culture, spirituality and philosophy. Everything is connected and for those of us who have relatively vast interests of learning, it makes sense to explore this significant aspect of human social evolution.
29. Jacobsen: How much does science play into the worldview for you?
Banafshei: If I had to quantify it, I’d say a lot. If reasoning of a scientific nature, or scientific possibility at least, cannot be provided for something philosophical, then it is meaningless.
30. Jacobsen: What have been some of the tests taken and scores earned (with standard deviations) for you?
Banafshei: I’ve taken triplex light by Ivan Ivec as well as GENE Verbal II and GIFT Verbal I by Iakovos Koukas. I achieved scores of 161, 180 and 170 sd15 on those tests respectively.
31. Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes some sense, even the most workable sense to you?
Banafshei: Currently, it seems the golden rule works well enough in most circumstances. The associated imperfections of it can be overcome by simply getting to know one another better, of course.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: July 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on Background, Religion, Geniuses, and Intelligence Tests (Part One) [Online].July 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-one.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, July 1). An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on Background, Religion, Geniuses, and Intelligence Tests (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-one.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on Background, Religion, Geniuses, and Intelligence Tests (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, July. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-one>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on Background, Religion, Geniuses, and Intelligence Tests (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-one.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on Background, Religion, Geniuses, and Intelligence Tests (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (July 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-one.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on Background, Religion, Geniuses, and Intelligence Tests (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-one>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on Background, Religion, Geniuses, and Intelligence Tests (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-one.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on Background, Religion, Geniuses, and Intelligence Tests (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):July. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-one>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Mhedi Banafshei on Background, Religion, Geniuses, and Intelligence Tests (Part One) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/banafshei-one.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 30, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 736
Keywords: apostasy, ex-Muslim, France, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Updates on Ex-Muslims in France and Elsewhere[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What happened in the summer 2018 season for the non-religious?
Waleed Al-Husseini: This summer was calm a bit.
We have some of the summer meetings here in France to welcome the new members and introduce them for the others, and following some of he issues of ex-Muslims who had some of justice issues like Sharif Gaber in Egypt. Then there were some problems in Jordan.
The greatest sadness: we lost one great fighter and writer. His name is Walid Al-Qubisi. He is organizing from Iraq, but lives in Norway and in the 1980s got shot by Islamists in Oslo. He spent months in the hospital, then he left it.
This summer, we lost him. It was really sad even for me because he was one of the 1st fighters of political Islam in Europe.
Jacobsen: How were things for the ex-Muslim community in France – safer, more people?
Al-Husseini: We have some new members that is why we made summer meetings. They joined us. We talked about the dangers for us and described to them how things are and our activities.
For the security things, we got many threats through the internet after big discussions about hijab and child marriage. Some of our Twitter accounts got removed!
Jacobsen: As an internationalist independent journalist, when I get a story of an ex-religious person or a sexual minority individual, I cannot solve the problem, but I can bring light to their plight – simply hear and feel their horrible narrative as they tell it.
What does telling the stories, simply being heard by someone else, do for the ex-Muslims or the LGBTI community in solidarity if anything?
Al-Husseini: For the stories and testimony, it is really important to show for some who think about Islam that he or she is not alone, there are others who had questions. One, through this, he left Islam. These types of testimony also say, “We are the voices of the many.”
It helps to show for others that ex-Muslims exist. They have to fight one of the hardest fights in the world as the globe becomes more and more fundamentalist in orientation. Ex-Muslims are the solution for making Islam less fundamentalist, because of all these stories and the critiques and debates on Islam are now in the open.
Because of these things, we have some people now talking about modern Islam or trying to moderate Islam. All these things because of ex-Muslims!
Jacobsen: Have there been some new ex-Muslim voices people should keep an eye on for their poignant analysis of the realities of the ex-Muslim community (global community)?
Al-Husseini: Yes, Sharif Gaber, the YouTuber Egyptian, who faces justice now. Hamed Abdel-Samad with his show Box of Islam – and also his books, and the other ex-Muslims like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ibn Waraq, in the Arabic world like Said Alqumi, for other groups like Atheist Arab Magazine. It is really a good one.
Also, some Arabic sites exist on the internet and blogs too.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Waleed.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 30, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/updates-on-ex-muslims-in-france-and-elsewhere.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 30, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 783
Keywords: apostasy, ex-Muslim, female, Islam, male, narrative, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Male and Female Ex-Muslims – Narrative Interpretation and Escape[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Can you tell some of the stories, anonymous if need be, of some of women members of the Council of Ex-Muslims of France?
Waleed Al-Husseini: We get a lot of testimonies. One of the most touching was for a French girl. Her father is Algerian. Her mother is French. She was born and lived all her life in France. She questioned herself when she was forced to wear the hijab at the age of 13. She stopped playing with her childhood friends because it became a forbidden activity.
She used to, at that time, read from the holy texts of Islam. But then she became an atheist, but she still wore the hijab and lived with her family in an area full of Muslims. That is why even she cannot take the hijab off. She cannot tell her family that she left Islam. She supported us. She came to one of our meetings.
Another woman, she left Islam after the Charlie Hebdo attack. She was asking herself, “Why do we do this? Why do we live in a secular society and act like those who live in an Islamic state?”
She asked her family and others always she got the answer, “We are different. We always should belong to Islam,” until she started reading and knowing about me from my 1st book. She read it. She became an atheist. She really is a fighter for freedom.
Jacobsen: Can you tell some of the stories, anonymous if need be, of some of the men members of the Council of Ex-Muslims of France?
Al-Husseini: Men’s stories, it is rarer because Islamic society provides men all that they want. Their mistakes mean nothing. The stories, I have more from a refugee who came to France. There is a man. He is from Morocco. He started with freedom of women.
Then he went into the freedom of not taking part in Ramadan, but he was arrested. Then he got discrimination in the court. When he was out, he studied Islam very well, then he understood it very well. So, he left Islam for the same reason.
Jacobsen: I ask those two prior questions to provide a basis of the experiences of members, ordinary refugees or French citizens who are ex-Muslims, are apostates. How do these stories differ for men and women?
Al-Husseini: Most of the women, they left the suffering because of Islam. That is why they read and become atheism, so there is a clear reason for them. But for men, it is harder because he needs to be humanist and to do more reading to see how to become an atheist.
This is a difference between the stories of men and women. For sure, for women, it is clearer with hijab and with the ability to have freedom in life. So, they suffer more than men because of Islam. The space of freedom is much larger if you are me.
Jacobsen: Have the stories been getting better or worse in terms of the people who leave Islam?
Al-Husseini: Every story is a special case. But we still have a hard time, so the stories are always hard. It is not a fairy tale. We do not have happy ending stories because even for the ex-Muslims who leave their family.
They will have problems in work between their friends, so the stories still the same: worse.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Waleed.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 30, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/male-and-female-ex-muslims-narrative-interpretation-and-escape.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 29, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 874
Keywords: apostasy, ex-Muslim, Islam, Waleed Al-Husseini.
Concerns for Safety Among the French Ex-Muslim Community[1],[2]
Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. He is a friend.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What do you see as the issue for 2018 and secularism in France?
Waleed Al-Husseini: For me, the most concerning issue in France at this time are the things that have been said by the president when he said that the state is secular, but the society is not. This is one of big things. We do not agree here.
Even French secularism cannot accept this because since the beginning, that society also incorporates secularism. If the society does not incorporate secularism, that means you will open the door more for Islamism (political Islam).
There will be more things like hijab and then separated sexes in the society, and make more of a micro-society within the larger society. One that does not integrate. Also, the president went to church and asked for church to be made into something political and then return things back between to the republic and church.
However, this also is a danger to open the big door for Muslim fundamentalists to come into French political life. These two issues, for me, are the most dangerous things done by president Macron. They are anti-secularism in France.
Jacobsen: It has been a while. What is the status of the Council of Ex-Muslims in France? Is everyone safe? Is the community growing?
Al-Husseini: Yes, we are all safe. I received more threats, but I am still alive. I founded one conference with ex-Muslims in Norway. It was good to speak about the right of blasphemy and what is going on in Europe and how things going on with isolation and other stuff.
So now in Norway, we got some ex-Muslims from Turkey and Pakistan too. It means we grow to be in most of the European countries and share the ideas because the situation is different from country to country.
Jacobsen: Any new books in the works coming around the corner?
Al-Husseini: My second book was published in France last year. I wish it would be translated into English because this one is important. I speak about the celebration of Islam radicals in Europe. I explain the strategy of political Islam.
I try to find solutions by explaining things like “Islamophobia” and racism and the using of these definitions to throw at the liberal society, and then using freedom for soft isolation from society. I would like to publish in English, but still, now there are no suggestions for translation.
Jacobsen: Can you recommend some books for people interested in learning more about the experiences of nonbelievers and ex-Muslims in particular?
Al-Husseini: The Blasphemer: The Price I Paid for Rejecting Islam, it is my book. The book of Ayaan Hirsi Ali called Infidel: My Life. Another book by Ibn Warraq entitled Why I Am Not a Muslim. These books are testimony and published in English.
We have others in other languages: French and German, but not English.
Jacobsen: As I have done several interviews and articles on and with the ex-Muslim community around the world. What is their primary concern regarding personal safety and getting their messages out to the secular, democratic world, which tends to be the Western world?
Al-Husseini: Yes, sure and thank you for all this work you do to help us reach our voice for more people. For us, yes, because we face the dangers there, we get killed or arrested without knowing about us.
That is why we try to make our voices heard more, especially for the Western world. Because the Arabic world doesn’t accept us. They do not have a democratic culture. For the Western world, to tell them, their people are leaving their region.
They will understand us because they face the problems of religion and dictators. All these reasons make us send these messages to them. Messages about our personal safety. This is our big problem. Anyway, it becomes a problem for anyone to speak about Islam or Islamism and the reason is clear as to why.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Waleed.
Image Credit: Waleed Al-Husseini.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 29, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/concerns-for-safety-among-the-french-ex-muslim-community.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 29, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 678
Keywords: Ayada, Boki, Cross River State, Nigeria, Thomas Obi Tawo.
Gov. Ayade and Witch Burning in Cross River State[1],[2]
The refusal by the governor of Cross River state, Sen Ben Ayade to condemn the assault and burning of alleged witches in Boki Local Government of the state is deeply disturbing. His deafening silence over this tragic incident is indicative of a disgusting trend in Nigerian politics, and the pervasive incompetence, insensitivity and irresponsible governance that has plagued the country.
On Wednesday May 20, an aide to the governor, Thomas Obi Tawo (also known as General Iron) led a lynch mob that set ablaze 15 suspected witches in Oku community in Boki Local Government in Cross River state. On this fateful day, General Iron and his ‘boys’ stormed this rural community. They dragged out those who were identified as witches including General Iron’s mother and threw them into the fire. Three of the victims have died as a result of the burns. Others are at various hospitals and clinics battling for their lives. Some of the victims had serious burns on their legs, hands, heads, and their private parts. Some victims are unable to seat down or urinate. Others cannot walk or use their hands. Meanwhile, most of the victims are farmers and elderly persons.
It is unfortunate that for over a month since this horrific attack, Gov Ayade has not issued any statement to denounce this mob violence. He has not reached out to the victims to provide support. Instead, the government of Cross River is busy trying to cover up this atrocity and shield the perpetrators from justice. The government’s media spokesperson has denied that any member of the government was involved in the violence. So, is Gov Ayade saying that Thomas Obi Tawo is not an appointee with the Cross River state government? Is General Iron not his special adviser on Forest Security? There is nothing to gain from these media games and manipulation. In fact it is not too late for Gov Ayade to remedy the situation and demonstrate enlightened and responsible leadership.
Gov Ayade should not allow his political interest to overshadow his duty and responsibility to the people of Cross River state. Ayade needs to take urgent steps to end impunity and witch persecution in the state. Cross River has been notorious for human rights abuses linked to witchcraft allegations and witch persecution. There are hundreds of street children in Calabar, the state capital, and most of them have been abused and driven out after being accused of witchcraft. Witch persecution persists in Cross River because the government has consistently failed in its responsibility to protect lives and property of alleged witches, as in the case of the Boki witch hunt. The government of Cross River has refused to prosecute and bring to justice those who engage in witch persecution and killing. Gov Ayade has an opportunity to rewrite history and turn a new page of hope, justice, and compassion. He should take all necessary measures to provide support to victims of witch-burning in Boki and bring to justice all perpetrators of this horrific crime.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 29, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/gov-ayade-and-witch-burning-in-cross-river-state.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 25, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Once Per Year
Words: 3,416
Keywords: apostasy, domestic violence, Hari Parekh, honor violence, Humanists UK, interpersonal violence, non-religion, religion.
Conversation with Hari Parekh on the Hidden Population of Abuse Victims, Apostates[1],[2]
Hari Parekh, has worked in the field of psychology for over four years. He obtained his BA (Hons) degree in Psychology and Criminology at the University of Northampton in 2015, and his MSc in Forensic and Criminological Psychology at the University of Nottingham in 2016. He has worked for the student sector of Humanists UK, holding roles of President and President Emeritus. Following this, he is the current European Chair for Young Humanists International, and the Volunteers Manager for Faith to Faithless. He is consistently invited to universities to talk about the psychological difficulties relating to apostasy.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So, you’ve published an article in a peer-reviewed journal called The Journal of Interpersonal Violence. The paper is titled “Apostates a Hidden Population of Abuse Victims.” First, to define terms, what is an apostate? How is abuse defined?
Hari Parekh: An ‘apostate’ is the term used to describe people within religious families who once identified as religious or with a belief in God and have, now, ceased to believe in the existence of a God, gods, or having a religious faith or belief and now identify as non-religious. Each person has their reasons for embarking on this journey – completing this journey from religious to non-religious, and identifying as an apostate is not an easy journey, and it appears to not be the end of the struggles defined within an individual’s journey. Given the strong feelings families can have about the rejection of their shared faith, this can cause further complications for the apostate themselves. As such, this study aimed to inform the academic community and wider society of the possible victimisation that some apostates may face within religious households. We were looking at areas such as assault, serious assault, psychological abuse, as measured by the Conflict Tactics Scale by Straus et al (1996). The differences between the terms are highlighted in the paper – the variances within assault and serious assault can be the difference between being pushed against a wall or being threatened with death, for example. Adding to this, psychological abuse includes coercive control, stress, depression, suicidal ideation, for example. This study identifies that there is a higher risk of people being abused as a result of identifying as an apostate. Sadly, the study also identifies how victims do not have trust in their law enforcement officers to understand their plight.
Jacobsen: The study, itself, is not a meta-analysis. It is a single study with 228 people, 102 men-119 women. Why was the survey supported through Faith to Faithless?
Parekh: The study could not be a meta-analysis because it is the first of its kind! It is the first time that the academic community, and the non-religious community, can point to a piece of scientific evidence and say, “Here’s the evidence to show what is likely to happen to apostates within religious households.” Hopefully, this study is the catalyst for further studies, to look into the issue of abuse faced by apostates, and has the propensity to inform non-academic services such as governments and organisations such as the United Nations to raise awareness of the plight of apostates. The reason for the support of Faith to Faithless, initially? It was luck. I left my religious faith during my undergraduate degree at the University of Northampton. My experiences were positive as my parents have not wavered in supporting me, despite my decision. I consider myself to be an apostate-anomaly, being someone lucky enough to not have suffered the extremities and the abuse that participants have experienced within the study, for example. I worked with co-founders, Aliyah Saleem and Imtiaz Shams, at the time, and I was exposed to how much abuse people received as a result of leaving their faith. I formed my Master’s thesis around this issue because there was no other study highlighting this abuse within the academic sphere. I said to my supervisor, “We need to provide victims with a voice to show the academic community that we are failing victims.”
Jacobsen: For those who do not know the names Imtiaz Shams and Aliyah Saleem, what is their place in Humanists UK?
Parekh: They founded Faith to Faithless. It later became the apostasy service of Humanists UK, to support people who leave their religious faith. They are both amazing in their own right, do Google them! I support and work with such amazing people to raise awareness of apostasy as well.
Jacobsen: Why the gap in the research, in the academic community, i.e., not being able to do a metanalysis because of insufficient studies to take any data?
Parekh: There are academics such as Hunsberger (1983) and Hezbrun (1999) that touched upon the difficulties of apostasy, and even recently with Dr Simon Cottee. But, it’s so difficult to provide the academic community with an insight into the abuse of apostates, when most are hidden, and consequently do not want to upset the balance of their household. An individual who is doubting their religious faith has so many factors to contemplate on: whether they will leave or not, whether they will tell anybody or not, or whether they will publicly declare their apostasy or not, to name a few. The consequences of each scenario can be devastating, and such are the difficulties of apostasy. Several prominent activists have spent their life to inform society of the experiences of people who have left their religious faith. One would have hoped that the work of such activists would have culminated in further academic interest. However, this is the first opportunity for such activists to have academic evidence to solidify their work.
Again, the gap in the research might relate to many factors. First, it is one of the more nuanced and niche areas, whereby, if you’re not aware of the community or of this occurring in itself, then it’s not understood nor does it factor into the conversation of public opinion – again, a hidden population remains hidden until it gains recognition. Secondly, the role of religion and religious communities, and the way this organised structure can work for people suggests that it can provide a supportive, stable, and secure foundation to people’s lives. For the many, religious faith can provide a good foundational basis for one’s life; the concern grows for people who do not hold a similar perspective. Third, the political relationship that religious communities are likely to have upheld, such as bishops being in the House of Lords in the UK, strengthens the view that the role of religious communities, or the ideas of the religious, are less likely to be scrutinised as a result. Fourth, the nature of academia is not easy – we remain unclear as to whether there have been countless pieces of research submitted for publication that have not met the standards required? This is a common occurrence within academia. It is a common occurrence in academia anyways. That’s the point. If several activists are speaking of people going through the experiences, one of the major criticisms of the activists is no one has had the evidence to show it exists. How do you reach people, where you don’t know who, what, or how they are? How do you do that from a scientific viewpoint? It is a minefield in itself. The study was sent worldwide – we finally have a starting point to refer to.
Jacobsen: What were the general findings?
Parekh: The general findings are quite interesting to be fair. First, out of the 228 participants, we categorised them initially by the religious faith they identified with since birth. Despite having participants from faiths such as Hinduism, Judaism, and more, as they were not statistically significant they could not be utilised within the study. As such, we focused primarily on people identifying from Christian and Muslim faiths and people identifying as non-religious. From our participants, what we found was that those that identified as religious from birth were less likely to be religious now. For example, out of the 130 people that identified as Christian, only 12 people currently identify as Christian; of the 68 people that identified as Muslim, only 4 people currently identify as Muslim, and of the 18 people that were initially non-religious, 204 people currently identify as non-religious. So, we saw an increase of 1,033% in people identifying as non-religious and a 91-94% decrease in people identifying as religious. This appears similar to the trends we are seeing in society – the decrease in the number of people going to Church each week in the UK, and the rise in the number of people identifying as non-religious within the UK census also appears to support the data in this study.
Second, we used the Conflict Tactics scale by Straus and colleagues to understand the levels of violence and abuse that victims have experienced. The terms of assault, serious assault, and psychological abuse were significant for Muslim-apostates more so than Christian-apostates. Due to these terms being interrelated to each other, we categorised this as assault within the study. Interestingly, even though, we had lesser people from a Muslim heritage background take part in the study, they were more likely to experience such levels of violence and assault. It was really interesting, in itself, and the outcome of the study suggests a higher likelihood to be a victim as a result. Furthermore, there was no significant difference in negotiation. It was peculiar with the levels of violence. With negotiation, it suggests either that households are attempting to understand why their family member within the household would leave the religious faith? Yet, as there is a difficulty in being able to negotiate that stance, and trying to determine the consequences of having a family member that is not religious within the household and community, it appears difficult for households to reach a conclusion that maintains the household’s order.
Third, out of the 154 people who were assaulted, only 9 people reported their assault to the police, which is only 5.8%. Then out of the 71 people who said why they did not report it, 44% believed that reporting this would be disrespectful to family dynamics and a betrayal of the family. 27% said that they thought the police would be unable to help them. 10% reported being threatened about the perceived repercussions by the family and community for reporting their abuse. So, here are victims openly stating, they could be at risk.
Jacobsen: Some Muslim scholars and others in the public arena and may look at the terms “honour” and “violence” with internal concern to their community as human rights violations in interpersonal violence or domestic violence as dishonourable as a culture. So, it would be termed “honour violence,” but they would see this as dishonour or dishonourable violence. How is the construct of honour construed in the household with a religion in which honour in played out in an IPV or a DV setting?
Parekh: It is a really serious and important issue to raise that the study aims to not generalise everybody within a Muslim or Christian household, in stating that “hi! All your beliefs lead to abuse and violence!” That would be wrong, and suggesting a link would be incorrect. People are human at the end of the day. Many people within religious faiths argue the factors highlighted within honour-based violence is completely against the fundamentals and the principles within the faith itself. That is a fair statement to make, however, this is not a simple issue. Honour-based violence by its nature is hidden and perpetrated by the people who are related to you, formed attachments with you, and this has the potential to cause further distress for the victim too. By its nature, it is targeted, specifically, at women and girls. With apostate-abuse, gender is not a factor. Its very nature is based on coercive control and collusion, acceptance, and silence within the family. For example, by making sure it does not leave the four walls of the religious household. The notion of honour, therefore, relates strongly with shame and guilt. Paul Gilbert and Jasvinder Sanghera’s research identified the amount of guilt and shame involved within honour-abuse and also reported how hidden this abuse is. The concerns regarding apostate-abuse have similarities with the abuse faced by victims of domestic violence, LGBTQ+ abuse, forced marriage and female genital mutilation. These are the same nuances we’re tackling. The level of shame means that abuse would be hidden so much more.
Jacobsen: Would one public service announcement or concern come in the form of anti-Muslim bigotry or anti-Christian bigotry utilizing some of this research in very obviously skewed ways to cast aspersions and stereotypes at the communities? Where the research is not looking at violence as a global phenomenon and problem, but one a form of violence with that cultural and religious flavour.
Parekh: That’s the concern Vincent Egan and I did have and do continue to have when I was doing my Master’s thesis. Publishing this piece of research too, we were looking at how this would be reflected, how people would interpret and understand it, moving forwards. That’s the thing in itself. Yes, the organisations helping to find people – Faith to Faithless, Peter Tatchell Foundation, Humanists UK, Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain – are very much involved in the non-religious communities and can provide opportunities to find people that are hidden. The research aims to identify that people are abusing people by using the veil of religion, culture, and tradition as a rationale, and this is not a good thing! Abuse is abuse. In talking about this research, as long as I am clear that the fundamental principle is not to demonise and, basically, negatively impact religious people or organizations. It is trying to bring awareness to a worldwide audience that there is abuse happening, and we are missing it. In conversations with people, I have found that there are people who are disgusted by people using their religious faith to manipulate and abuse people in that way. I think that’s a very strong argument for this. Yes, anyone can look at any research and manipulate it in a way that makes things suit an agenda of hate, which might not be favourable to those who created the initial study. However, as long as people read it clearly, we are saying, “We are not demonizing the religious faith. We are demonizing the way people use religious faith to abuse people. And by doing so, we are creating a hidden population of people who can’t be reached out to.” As people become more aware of the research, we can begin to openly talk about the issues of people being abused as a result. By not talking about this abuse, we would perpetuate the argument that this practice is okay and justified. We cannot – having even one person abused is a failure.
Jacobsen: What are the next steps for research?
Parekh: Having carried out the first study of its kind, there are several next steps for this research area. Firstly, we wanted to inform the academic community that apostate-abuse is occurring, and as such, we used categorised terms to categorise the religious faith of participants. For example, there are many denominations within Christianity and Islam that, future research should look at seeing whether those denominations vary the level of risk an apostate is likely to face. Secondly, we would need to gather data that also looks at financial abuse, sexual abuse, and despite gathering data on psychological abuse, we would still need to gather data on the specifics within such an umbrella term. Thirdly, further research is needed on the implications of apostate-abuse per continent, per region, per country, and how the criminal justice systems can accommodate this crime within their legal frameworks – this might also require further research into the devastating effects of blasphemy laws on the victim, such as Asia Bibi and recently with Mubarak Bala. Fourthly, research on how local law enforcement can improve their perception amongst victims that they would be unable to support victims would be an essential area for research – using a focus group to understand how police forces can improve their practice would be essential. Fifthly, looking into how larger organisations can apply this to their practice – such as how the United Nations or Amnesty International deems abuse and how they support individual nations too would be an investigative piece of research. Sixthly, working with religious organisations and religious communities to de-threaten the notion of apostasy may be one of the most significant areas from this study! That’s quite a lot, but the opportunities are pretty endless.
Jacobsen: If we look at the ways in which academics can use analytic techniques to find relatively objective findings of the research in interpretation, there are internal views from a subjective perspective, in other words, of individuals within the research by yourself and Egan. In other words, those coming out of a religion internally to their mind while living in a home with IPV or DV ongoing, or at some point happening, having attitudes about it. What do they attribute these acts to?
Parekh: Looking at the personal responses by people who participated in the study, really provides a true reflection of their experiences; we have tried to provide a fair opportunity to provide the reader with an appreciation of the comments made by participants. The concerns of participants initially began with being concerned with not believing in the same religious faith or God that the household believes in. And, the consequences of this ranged between being asked to leave the family home, being ex-communicated from the home, facing threats of violence daily, to being beaten and receiving threats of being killed as a result. Using a religious faith as a rationale for abusing another human being is an expression of wanting to remain correct and right. When human beings begin to believe that they are correct, then this creates a concern, as history has shown. When a family member decides to become an apostate, this increases the chances of other family members feeling rejected – because their belief is more than just a belief in itself, but also embedded into their identity formation and sense of self. So, any challenge to that is a personal challenge, and such increases the chances of causing a personal threat reaction. I think the religious belief in itself might be used as a validation to all of the reason why. But again, we’re still looking at the behaviour of the person to abuse somebody else. So, that’s what we’re seeing. We’re seeing people threatened to be killed or abused in one way or another because of them not agreeing or accepting the same religious belief or faith as a family. I think the concern, therefore, is the view that just because you don’t believe nor agree with the belief of the family; you are not part of the family anymore is absurd. The personality of the person, the experiences, the attachments to family members; this is not a complete list, but all of these factors make us human. Having a difference of perspective does not change the person that the family have created. Being abused for having a difference of perspective is no different from blaming a person for being human – this is why we have a brain that can think! Being abused for thinking is extreme. Being human means we are fallible, and we need to appreciate that factor.
Jacobsen: Hari, thank you for the opportunity and your time.
Parekh: Any time Scott!
Image Credit: Hari Parekh.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 25, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/conversation-with-hari-parekh-on-the-hidden-population-of-abuse-victims-apostates.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.A, Idea: The Tale of the Tribe: International Apostates
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: Apostasia
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Individual Publication Date: June 24, 2020
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Keywords: activism, Benjamin David, childhood, human rights.
Benjamin David on How His Abusive Childhood Motivated Him to get involved in Human Rights Activism[1],[2]
Benjamin David is the Founder of Topical Magazine and a Writer, Designer, Photographer, Artist, and Marketer on various platforms. Here we talk about his life, struggles, progressive activism, and how to unify activists.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: How was life for you growing up?
Benjamin David: Born into a very working class household, I grew up in several poverty-stricken areas in Bristol with my parents and two siblings. Even though my father had a very penurious job as a welder/fabricator, he was a very talented man, with a remarkably shrewd ability to repair or build anything he set his mind to.
By contrast, my mother was a housewife who, owing to longstanding mental illness, was continuously between jobs. Having parents whom I could best describe as disciplinarians, the environment my siblings and I grew up in was consistently threatening and teeming with abuse. My brother and I spent a lot of time either being smeared or maligned.
Moreover, we were physically abused, suffering horrific injuries forcing us on many occasions to run away and attempt to take our own lives. Understandably, I not only had a deeply noxious relationship with my family, but it precipitated a lengthy period of social withdrawal, with me spending considerable amounts of time in the throes of depression, anxiety and self-harm.
Losing all friends, I was forced to take recourse in school books, video games and sojourns in nature to find a sense of plenitude. In fact, the older I became the more introverted I was, which often resulted in me being vilified or spurned by my peers in high school.
Light would eventually prevail at the end of my tunnel, or so I thought, after my parents divorced after numerous warring months. I decided to move in with my recently remarried father, seeking non-belligerence, where I stayed for two years.
Given that my father’s wife was a relative of my mother and a longstanding Jehovah’s witness, before the wedding he covertly undertook lengthy bible study sessions and “got to know” Jesus and Jehovah prior to announcing the engagement to the rest of the family.
Moving in with my father soon after the announcement, I was implicated in the wrongdoings orchestrated by my father, and I was subsequently rejected and disowned by my mother, an imposition my siblings had no choice but to comply with.
Notwithstanding the desertion, I endeavoured to please my Dad, with the hope of making my first friend as an adolescent, even attending the weekly meetings of the Jehovah’s Witnesses at the Kingdom Hall.
Having found neither intellectual nor emotional fulfilment, I renounced my religiosity, meaning that I was labelled an “unrepentant wrongdoer” and shunned by everyone in the household.
I was eventually starved of food, causing me to develop a chronic health condition that would inflict me for over 11 years, and I was asked to leave the house. At the time of being homeless, living in the city of Bath at the time, I was merely 17.
Jacobsen: Did religion and politics play a large role during your childhood?
David: As I have already mentioned, religion was certainly a part of my later early life. The disclosure of superstitious beliefs, by contrast, were certainly ubiquitous during my early years, which undeniably aroused my interest in atheism during my late teens to early 20s.
My mother was a dogmatic believer in ghosts and angels, often speaking fervently on how ghosts are all around us, even in our house. Seeing psychics cleanse the house of spectres was a somewhat common phenomenon.
Having experienced first-hand the ruinous effects of being disfellowshipped by my own family for leaving the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and still consternated by the question whether God exists or not, I embarked upon a lengthy analysis of theism, watching lots of documentaries, reading a myriad number of books and getting involved in philosophy.
Eventually, I would be prevailed upon by atheism, and I undertook a lengthy involvement with humanism with the intent of helping those who had, like me, been victimised by religion.
Concerning politics, my parents held deeply entrenched fascist and populist views, which were at odds with my own egalitarian views.
My mother was once a supporter of the Labour Party in the mid to late 90s, but mass immigration and the perceived Islamization of Britain lead her to increasingly spout far-right garble. Derogatory remarks about minority groups were commonly made, which only precipitated a feeling shared by me and my siblings that the world was a deeply perilous place.
The political opinions of my parents most certainly galvanized my own political ponderings during my later adolescence, finding a sense of harmony with many of the left-wing political positions propagated from leading thinkers in philosophy during the 19th and 20th centuries.
Despite the repugnant nature of the positions held by my parents, I wanted to learn, critically, why they came to the political conclusions they did, and in so doing understand the flaws underpinning their convictions.
In many ways, and to my frustration, there is a sense of collective guilt that I find myself harbouring for the positions propagated by my parents, and I am sure this feeling has played a role, albeit a marginal role, in why I have been ardently involved in the world of activism.
Jacobsen: You founded Conatus News; a human-rights oriented, progressive platform for activists, writers, and social commentators. What inspired the title of the publication?
David: The title was inspired by the philosopher Spinoza, who used the term ‘conatus’ to describe the force in every animate creature toward the preservation of its existence. One of the recurring issues floating around activist circles is being heard.
The majority of those with whom I worked, such as the ex-religious, have a drive in them to be heard, to have their human rights and the rights of others preserved. It was only fitting that I picked a name symbolic of the very people the platform would eventually serve.
Jacobsen: Your involvement in Conatus News culminated in the ‘Defending Progressivism’ conference in London featuring some of the biggest names in activism either in attendance or sitting on the panel with you. Given that many of these activists disagree with each other, how did you manage to bring such figures together?
David: I firmly believe that an activist movement will always fail if it is unable to forge a unity of purpose or togetherness. At the Defending Progressivism conference in 2017, there were some big characters who fundamentally disagreed with each other on some pretty pressing issues, such as AC Grayling and Claire Fox.
However, ideals of equality, individual liberty, freethought and compassion are ideals that most people, no matter their differences on certain topical issues such as Brexit, respect and thump for. Through giving centre stage to this centre ground, people are more amenable to engaging and respecting those who they once-perceived as political adversaries.
It’s always an inspiriting sight when two people come together to work something out. Just like music, with a single note only going so far, humans are collectively far more effective in their cause, emerging as a resonance.
Jacobsen: Who have been inspirations in terms of the progressive movement in the United Kingdom, and in fact the world, for you?
David: The first would have to be Eugene Debs, who popularized ideas about civil liberties, workers’ rights, peace and justice, and government regulation of big business. The philosopher John Dewey was another, whose ideas about “experiential learning” emboldened several generations of educators.
He was also a champion of teachers’ unions and academic freedom, and he also spoke out and mobilised against efforts to rescind free speech, and he helped establish NAACP as well as being an ardent supporter of women’s suffrage.
Another is Charles Bradlaugh, a Victorian politician, who founded the UK’s National Secular Society over 150 years ago. Being the first atheist MP, Bradlaugh paved the way for the separation of religion and public life in Britain.
Jacobsen: Now, you have other professional endeavors. What are they? Why do you pursue this course?
David: Presently, I have been working with an array of smart, gifted and passionate thinkers in the development of a new project, which we hope to launch in the coming months. Whilst I cannot divulge a lot of information at this point, I can say that it really will be the first of its kind once launched, and I am confident that it will pave the way for advances in the grassroots circles to which I belong as well as educating and empowering the public.
Conatus News was a sizeable project that I had launched, and the various successes and failures along the way has been a huge learning curve. After stepping down from Conatus News back in December 2017, mainly owing to ill health and a need to take a break from activism, I thought that I could enjoy the peace, given that Conatus News had been a colossally stressful full-time project. However, a few weeks in I experienced a hankering for activism, and brainstorming ideas quickly ensued.
Jacobsen: Any final thoughts or feelings in conclusion? What are your hopes looking forward for the progressive movement in 2018/19?
David: The term “progressivism” gets a bad rap, with many from the more reactionary and postmodernist side of the Left coming to be synonymous with the term. This is particularly evident in more moderate Left and centrist activist platforms very similar to Conatus News.
As a philosophy, progressivism is based on the Idea of Progress, which is the view that people can become better in terms of quality of life (social progress) through economic development (modernization), and the application of science and technology (scientific progress).
The assumption is that the process will happen once people apply their reason and skills, for it is not divinely foreordained. Why I do not call postmodernists “progressive” is that they expunge a key constituent of both modernity and progressivism – reason. Postmodernism stresses the irrational while being overly suspicious of the rational.
For those who are more laudatory of the term, there is a tendency to see progressivism as synonymous with, or certainly very similar to, the term “liberal”. This is unfortunate. There are fundamental differences between the two, such as core economic issues.
Traditional “liberals” in our current parlance are those who focus on using taxpayer money to improve society. By contrast, a progressive believes in using government power to make large institutions play by a set of progressive rules.
Furthermore, progressives are aware of social and economic problems and try to define and address the systemic rules, laws and traditions that enable and empower the problems in the first place. Importantly, progressives share a general belief in the interconnections of individuals and the view that “when you hurt, I hurt”.
One of the biggest hopes that I have for the progressive movement in 2018/19 is that ideas of progress become synonymous with the term ‘progressivism’, and the dirty connotation is extirpated from it.
Unfortunately, the loudest voices remonstrating against those who try to shut down university debates or apply different moral standards depending on the so-called “power” of a social group are either conservatives or libertarians, represented by such magazines as Sp!ked and commentators like Douglas Murray and Ben Shapiro.
Whilst there are always important partnerships to be had with our conservative and libertarian friends when working to redress specific issues we all agree on, it is important the progressive identity is not obscured by them.
Eric Hobsbawm put it stirringly when describing the unique identity of progressivism as characterised by “Public decisions aimed at collective social improvement from which all human lives should gain”, which he deemed the basis of any progressive policy, and changing the chronic and bedimmed political mentality of “maximising economic growth and personal income” to maximising the human condition across the board.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Benjamin.
Image Credit: Benjamin David.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 24, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/benjamin-david-on-how-his-abusive-childhood-motivated-him-to-get-involved-in-human-rights-activism.
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Author: Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 24, 2020
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Keywords: Advocacy for Alleged Witches, Cross River State, Leo Igwe, Southern Nigeria, Thomas Obi Tawo.
Witch Burning: Victims Cry for Justice[1],[2]
The Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AFAW) has received a photo of another victim of witch-burning in Cross River State in Southern Nigeria. Last month an aide to the state governor, Thomas Obi Tawo (aka General Iron) led some thugs to set ablaze several persons, suspected of witchcraft in Boki LGA. Two of the victims have died as a result of the burns, while others such as the woman in the photo are battling for their lives at various hospitals.
AFAW calls for the arrest and prosecution of Thomas Obi Tawo and others accused of perpetrating this horrific violence. Nigerian authorities should not allow this matter to die as usually the case when persons who are connected to those in power are implicated in a crime. Even though General Iron is part of the government in the state, he should be made to answer for his crimes. Tawo abused his political position and should not be allowed to get away with this atrocious act. The Police Public Relations Officer (PPRO) in the state has confirmed that investigation is underway. But many are saying that no real investigation is being conducted. This is because Thomas Tawo and the ring leaders of the lynch mob have yet to be arrested. Victims have yet to be interviewed. There are serious concerns that the perpetrators are trying to use their political connections to evade justice. Victims and their relatives are crying for justice. The police and Cross River State government should not let them down. The police will be sending very wrong signals if they do not arrest and prosecute Thomas Tawo and others who are alleged to have perpetrated this savage act. The police should use this incident in Boki LGA to send a strong message to other would-be witch hunters in the region that Cross River is a state where the rule of law not jungle justice applies. Cross River state government should rise to its responsibility to protect the lives and property of people in the state. The government should take all necessary measures to ensure that this form of violence does not repeat itself in the state. AFAW is in touch with some of the victims and is helping defray the costs of their medical treatment. AFAW is providing humanitarian support to those affected by this horrific attack in pursuant to its objective of eradicating witch persecution in Africa by 2030.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 24, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/witch-burning-victims-cry-for-justice.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 23, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,406
Keywords: Mubarak Bala, Nigeria, humanism, human rights, persecuted atheists
Right Now, Mubarak Bala: Let Him Go, or Have a Fair Trial (Right Now)[1],[2]
Mubarak Bala is one of the most articulate and intelligent humanists in the world today. Not heard of much in the mainstream of some of the secular discourses for several reasons, as Dr. Sikivu Hutchinson has been noting for years, Humanism remains Euro-centric, as in Caucasian and Western culture; nothing wrong with either the ethnic groupings or the culture, but the over-emphasis can exclude other voices deserving a platform, due respect and dignity, and a presentation of a different side of problems, experiences, and, thus, manifestations of Humanism in order to make Humanism true to the universalist visions and aims of Humanism and humanists. Here’s the catch if you’re not aware: Bala is in jail.
Or so we think, he could be dead. We really don’t know. And that’s another reason for considering this a crime and a human right injustice (violation). As the innovator and freethinking leader of Nigeria, Dr. Leo Igwe, has noted repeatedly, there is a long-term trend of persecution of atheists and humanists throughout Nigerian society with one of the biggest manifestations in the northern parts of Nigeria, especially places like Kano because of the strong adherence to fundamentalist versions of Islam. Igwe and Bala are brilliant people. They’re extremely well-known and articulate, in life and word, humanists. There’s no doubt some fundamentalist believers are relishing this persecution of Bala. Many humanists, around the world mind you, are not enjoying this one bit.
As this is part of an ongoing series of opinion pieces, as with Igwe and several others, we won’t stop until there is justice for Bala. We’ve won the media war on a number of fronts. Don’t doubt international humanists’ resolve in this matter, the religious fundamentalist have messed up on all fronts in handling this case; if they want even a semblance of ass-covering, then one way in which to do this would be the release or fair trial in a secular court of Bala. Even in those cases, there would be failure on their parts. There’s only damage control left for this fundamental mistake on the part religious fundamentalists to try to subvert proper law and order, and international human rights, and the rights due to the President of the Humanist Association of Nigeria as stipulated in the Nigerian constitution.
We didn’t want this campaign; we didn’t want this fight. It was thrust on the community based on the bigotry, fear, prejudice, and superiority complex inherent in some religious minds, usually fundamentalist, about the non-religious. For this post, I want to focus the penal code of Kano in brief. Because this was part of the longer article the day of the arrest of Bala, unjustly. S.S. Umar & Co. were the ones filing the complaint to the police from Kano about a Facebook post by Bala in Kaduna. Bala was dragged out of his own place of residence by two out of uniform cops and then placed in jail. This entire situation is unfair and should be openly condemned from the outset. I know moderate and ordinary Christians in southern Nigeria and moderate and ordinary Muslims in northern Nigeria know the justice due to Bala because of the outrageous acts being demanded in order to appease religious fundamentalists in northern Nigeria.
We have international humanist support. We have ordinary religious believers’ support. It is only a small minority of religious fundamentalist believers who have proclaimed themselves the arbiters of the faith for all Muslims, which, in and of itself, should be seen as, and probably is perceived as, a blasphemous act or behaviour within the conceptualization of the ordinary Muslims and Christians in northern Nigeria and southern Nigeria, respectively. Nigeria, technically, has a secular constitution; as a fundamental tenet of Humanism, in some regards, is a separation between religion and state, or faith and governance.
The Penal Code of Kano State has a subtext of being a Sharia law-based legal code in which religion becomes imposed on the entirety of the population of Kano while within a larger context of Nigeria’s secular or humanistic constitution. How is this not wrong? How is this not unfair and unjust, and illegal in some manner? Because it has a larger secular law for all and then a secondary religious law precisely for the religious only; a religious or faith-based law that many want to impose on Mubarak Bala in which a humanist, an atheist, and a former Muslim would be subject to the death penalty because of the religious zealots who a) cannot handle open criticism, b) cannot handle an open and extremely intelligent and articulate humanist, c) cannot handle a prominent leader within the humanist communities, and d) cannot handle a individual who uses freedom of expression guaranteed within the constitutional setup of Nigeria. This is, fundamentally, unjust and shall be challenged by humanists, whether Humanists International, or the Humanist Association of Nigeria, or individual activists like Dr. Sikivu Hutchison, Mandisa Thomas, and others.
There are towering figures like the aforementioned and Professor Anthony Pinn who have provided an in-depth and rich intellectual analysis and contextualization for comprehension of the issues facing us as humanists. It is useful here. And to all humanists young and old, how ever much they may make you feel unwelcome and as if you’re not deserving of and granted the same human rights as them, these are your societies and your global community and, therefore, your identical rights too.
As per the complaint from S.S. Umar & Co., they stated, Bala “publically [insulted] Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) on his Facebook page contrary to Section 210 of the Penal Code of Kano State ad Section 26(1)(c) of the Cybercrimes (Prohibitions, Prevention, Etc.) Act of 2015.”
Cybercrimes (Prohibitions, Prevention, Etc.) Act of 2015 Section 26(1)(c) states:
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- (1) Any person who with intent –
(c) insults publicly through a computer system or network–
(i) persons for the reason that they belong to a group distinguished by race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin, as well as religion, if used as a pretext for any of these factors; or
(ii) a group of persons which is distinguished by any of these characteristics;
What does this complaint mean? It implies a dead man, a man six feet under (or purportedly in heaven), has been insulted. How can someone know this? By principle of parsimony, a more pragmatic interpretation is a select group of Muslims claiming to speak for all Muslims feel insulted over a Facebook post and, thus, declare this an insult to a dead man – leaving aside the idea of a religion being insulted.
I have seen on social media numerous death threats against Bala because he is an atheist (or a humanist and a former Muslim). In this, the real crime radar should be utilized to focus more rightly on real individuals making more than insulting claims and, in fact, declarations of public intent to murder against an individual because of a set of beliefs and a particular rejection of a systematized religious series of beliefs. Who is this justice system kidding? Bala should be released without question or given a fair trial in a secular court; otherwise, the logical implication, by the penal code and the cybercrimes bill would imply a far more grievous and larger set of open charges, by their own stipulations, of the need to jail and potentially charge numerous individuals proclaiming open harm against a living individual, Mubarak Bala.
Free Mubarak Bala.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 23, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/right-now-mubarak-bala-let-him-go-or-have-a-fair-trial-right-now.
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Author: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 23, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Keywords: Mubarak Bala, Nigeria, freedom of expression, online campaign, human rights
Reflections on the Online Campaign Against Mubarak Bala[1],[2]
The President of the Humanist Association of Nigeria, Mubarak Bala, used the freedom of expression enshrined in the Nigerian Constitution in addition to the freedom of religion and belief, as represented in the same constitution and, in fact, in the United Nations foundational rights document.
On April 27, a complaint was filed against some Facebook or social media posts by Bala. It was filed by S.S. Umar & Co. The claim was that Mubarak was making provocative and annoying statements to Muslims. In short, the firm and barristers made the explicit and, rather blasphemous mind us, statement that they can speak for both God and all Muslims on the matter of what is and is not blasphemous or offensive to the creator and sustainer of the universe (if seeing things within the framework of the believers).
Rather rapidly, Bala was hauled off to jail to make an example of him, as so many others have been made examples of before with the death penalty applied to them or the social reprisal murders by a public mob. Following some of the reactions to the protests online about the statements of Bala, as claiming a deceased religious figure was a “terrorist,” there was an online petition by Halima Sa’adiya Umar. I am uncertain if a relation to “S.S. Umar…”
In the online campaign through Change.Org, H. Umar’s campaign of protest stated:
Mubarak is blaspheming against the religion of Islam. He should practice his atheism and let Muslims be! “For you is your religion and for me is my religion”
His utterances are capable of causing unrest which could cause religious and social upheaval in the country.
Facebook is meant to promote & encourage relationships, allowing his kind to be on the platform is catastrophic. Freedom of expression is not synonymous to hate speech that can cause mayhem in Nigeria.
I find these assumptions and statements dehumanizing of the ordinary Muslim believers all over Nigeria because the use of the freedom of expression becomes the basis to argue Muslims en masse in Nigeria can’t but help themselves in ‘causing mayhem in Nigeria” or “causing unrest” and even the simple “allowing his kind to be on the platform is catastrophic.” The statements are both overblown to the point of comical and declaring a want for unequal access to the use of platforms and the freedom of expression. Shall we begin to unequally apply this to the practicing of religion, as he has struggled to attain equal status in practicing Humanism and non-religion in life, i.e., simply not partaking of the religious contexts and practices?
Mubarak Bala’s context or location is still unknown. He may be alive and imprisoned with human rights violate, including the inability to see a lawyer. Or he could be dead. We truly don’t know the exact whereabouts or condition of Bala. This is both a human rights travesty and a fundamental crime. No matter the framing, the religious fundamentalist groups in Kaduna, Kano, and often in Northern Nigeria have messed this one up big time. It will be a PR nightmare no matter the path moving forward.
With some international complaints from a variety of humanist organizations, the petition, which aimed for 25,000 signatures against Bala and had rapidly garnered almost 20,000, was taken down from the Change.Org website. There has continued to be international pressure on Nigerian authorities to do something about this. On the rights front, freethinkers are losing, as Bala is in unknown condition without any justice; on the media, national and international, the Freethought community is winning. Keep up the pressure.
Free Mubarak Bala.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 23, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/reflections-on-the-online-campaign-against-mubarak-bala.
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Keywords: history, knowledge, principles, Tor Arne Jørgensen, global order
Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,481
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dionysios Maroudas was born in 1986. He lives in Athens. He has a passion for mathematics, photography, reading, and human behaviour. He is a member of the ISI-Society, Mensa, Grand IQ Society (Grand Member), and THIS (Distinguished Member). He discusses: family nurturance; early social life; family history; redoing things in youth; academic progress in elementary and high school; early intellectual interests; developments in early life reflecting later interest in the high-IQ world; academic qualifications; financial and professional success; and finding a lifework. He discusses: odd jobs in youth; building character and work ethic; most significant portions of life; the tipping point to formally decide to enter into higher education and acquire a postsecondary qualification; the earned credentials to date; thankful or grateful for in life in spite of the regrets; a Lifework; some inspirations; human beings will simply never know in full; the progress of individual societies; and hoping to pursue intellectually into the future.
Keywords: Dionysios Maroudas, intimate love, Lifework, odd job.
An Interview with Dionysios Maroudas on Lifework (Part Two)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: When we’re gathering steam in life and beginning to build one, there will be odd jobs and work that one may not appreciate in the moment, but will later realize as, in some manner, positive for the growth of change of trajectory needed at the time. What were some of the odd jobs in youth for you?
Dionysios Maroudas: When I finished school, I had to find a part-time job to cover my expenses. I started privately teaching maths to secondary and high school students. I knew it was a temporary job, and I had difficulties in earning parents and student’s trust, besause of my age. Another odd job I went through with, was in an organic food processing and packaging company. It was a small family company, without money, with many production machines bought on auctions, only two employees and one employer with huge ambitions.
2. Jacobsen: How were these jobs important for building character and work ethic?
Maroudas: Private lessons was my first job. I received it as a challenge to find what a school teacher had done wrong, so that a student would need extracurricular help. Many times I tried to help younger teenagers change their perspective, and I dedicated personal time finding ways to achieve it. I found out, that there are plenty fruitful learning methods linked with rewarding, and I used them.
After years I met a student of mine and he rewarded me back, with one great compliment “thank you for the abilities you showed me I possesed, but I never knew”. It was the first time, someone showed me his warm appreciation for something I had succeeded through my work.
This job helped me thinking out of the box. I noticed that you can chase your goals in many ways when you work with people. Improving my co-workers or underlings to make it as a team, demanded less effort by me in the end and a better secured result for my team.
To sum up, my odd jobs taught me to be a team-player, to invest on people improvement, to be adaptable and well-organized.
3. Jacobsen: Some of the most significant portions of life come from the sense and sensibilities around social life and closest relations found in intimate love. How has life been in these domains for you? Only have to share that which seems comfortable to share in public.
Maroudas: One of the most important portions in my youth was my friends. Friendship is the first volitional relationship someone may develop in life. I was lucky, as I always have had good and loyal friends, since I was a kid. Expectations, love and patience is the key for a long-time friendship.
On the other hand, is the intimate love. I was never what we call a Greek-lover. [Laughing] I mean, the macho lover for the summer time who lives for a few intense moments and then changes his partner. I am romantic and loyal. I respect people around me, as well as my time, so when I fell in love, I tried to figure if I can co-exist with the person next to me, before I even start. I guess, this behavior may stem from my parents divorce.
I found all I asked in my wife and I feel proud of it. Finding your partner in life is like choosing the way you wish to live and the way your child would wish to raise, so I feel more than happy for my choice and my baby’s mother.
4. Jacobsen: When you pursued more of a formal education, what was the tipping point to formally decide to enter into higher education and acquire a postsecondary qualification?
Maroudas: In Greece, postsecondary education is free. You may enter public universities depending on your grades you receive on national exams after high school and for a specific number of positions per department. This has raised a culture for Greek parents, that their children have to obtain a bachelor’s degree or even a postgraduate if they want to be competitive in the job market.
Thus, I had decided to study maths or marketing long before I finished high school. Unfortunately, if you want to enter the department of mathematics in Greece, you are also examined on courses non-relevant with the subject like history and writing composition which cut me away from the chance to enter it, so I entered my very next choice which was department of marketing. Marketing is what a small shop, a company, and even a whole market department needs to function and make profit. That’s what made it so challenging for me and I decided to study it.
5. Jacobsen: What have been the earned credentials to date? Why pursue those particular interests as intellectual interests? What doors have those particular interests opened for you?
Maroudas: I don’t believe I owe an enviable bio, or a CV that would make someone excited. My credentials depend mostly on my results and productivity. In every job I have joined, I have helped it progress and I have made statistically significant improvements in most of them. Telling people that I belong to numerous high-IQ societies, I would probably scare them or even awake in them unpleasant feelings. People are scared of what they don’t know and what would make them feel being in comparison. One of my interests is that I try to solve prime numbers problems (Goldbach’s conjecture, Riemann’s hypothesis, etc.) and reading about medicine and psychology. These interests have helped me meet people with similar curiosity to mine.
6. Jacobsen: When you look at the way things have progressed in life for you, and how things could have progressed in life for you, what do you regret? What do you remain thankful or grateful for in life in spite of the regrets?
Maroudas: Except for spending more time in studying, when I was a teen, I can’t think of anything [Laughing].
A few years ago, I and my wife were thinking moving to Canada for a better quality of life. Living in a country that is famous for its meritocracy, was the motivation I needed to make such a decision. Unfortunately, some health issues of our family member, was the additional weight on our decision steelyard that held us in our homeland. This was one of the biggest turn I took in my life.
Daily we make small decisions that form our future and we have to support them, or to correct them on time. And of course, we have to understand that there are many variables that cannot be affected by us. Being a little bit stubborn, let me no space for regrets. I am afraid, that if I changed anything in my life, I would have commited a treason to my principles or beliefs that led me to do this action in the beginning.
After all, I am grateful for my family, for our health and living in one of the most beautiful countries, even if it is in one of its hardest times.
7. Jacobsen: Many individuals in some of the highest levels of giftedness have what I call a “Lifework” as a dream and can, in fact, pursue this as a reality if they are among the few lucky people in the world with the ability even further in luck with the time, interest, and energy to pursue such things to their fullest. Do you have a Lifework? If so, why this? If not, any idea as to the reason for this not entering into the arena of cognitive or real life for you?
Maroudas: The last years I am trying to decode the Holy Grail of maths, prime numbers. Their purpose, their randomness – or better the structural rules they follow – and why not, to give a clear and simple solution to one of the greatest math mysteries. Hunting ghosts like this, demands focus and time. According to Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, this is a self-actualization need. So, if I need to spend time for the top of the pyramid, I have to make it stable at the beginning. For the moment, I prefer spending my time trying to satisfy my first-4-levels necessities and enjoy my newborn child in my free time. I believe that everything can be succeeded if you have patience and persistence, so I am decided to wait for my lifework.
8. Jacobsen: Who have been inspiring figures in the history of the world for you? Also, what about the ordinary people one meet in life who do not plan any grand schemes or have anty spectacular mental talent? What have been some inspirations from them? Those people who have little, want for little, and make due for a life of just and noble cause in their own way, regardless.
Maroudas: Many bright people have inspired me with their work, cognitive abilities or revolutionary ideas. Homer, Archimedes, Pythagoras, Newton, Gauss, V.Hugo, Galois, Riemann, Curie, Tesla, Umberto Eco, Freud and many others had an inspiring lifework for humanity and our evolution.
In my eyes, every single human can be an example for another one. A good one or a poor one. No matter what abilities someone may have, being useful is mostly a matter of will. Personally, I observe attributes in ordinary people’s character and I try to adopt the ones I consider at best quality. I have received great principles from many people I’ve met, so I ‘ve learned to have respect for everyone.
9. Jacobsen: What do you think human beings will simply never know in full?
Maroudas: I believe human beings will never know in full our limits. Human beings are those who built pyramids some thousands years before, traveled to space and researched the genetic code, but still argue about the shape of Earth, nurture racism and vote governors because of their hate speech.
10. Jacobsen: If we take the ways in which the women of the world have not had full access or equal access to the levers of power, so-called, or, more accurately, the reins of individual freedom to pursue their own course or path, to make their own journey in life, how many women geniuses have we simply lost in recorded human history? How have the progress of individual societies and, in turn, the progress of humanity been regressed, halted, or slowed as a result at times?
Maroudas: Unfortunately we have lost a lot of geniuses. Ceteris paribus, I would say that the missing number of women geniuses we have lost in human history because of sexism, is equal to the number of known men geniuses minus the known women geniuses. I believe in statistical equality in this parameter. Another parameter we should also take into account is financial status and physical ability. We can have no idea on how many geniuses male and female have been lost because of them, and how many diseases, unsolved problems and social inequalities would have vanished in a truly meritocratic world.
11. Jacobsen: What are you hoping to pursue intellectually into the future, whether formally through the academic system developed over centuries or in an autodidactic manner for personal intellectual interest and pursuits?
Maroudas: As I stated, in our top of needs, an egocentric need is hidden and patiently waits to make someone the best he can be. The sector I care about is based on creating cognizance and knowledge, instead of adopting another one’s. Prime numbers have many unsolved problems, and I hope to find the ability and time to solve at least one of them.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Member, ISI-Society; Member, Mensa; Grand Member, Grand IQ Society; Distinguished Member, THIS.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/maroudas-two; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Dionysios Maroudas on Lifework (Part Two) [Online].June 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vaknin.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, June 22). An Interview with Dionysios Maroudas on Lifework (Part Two). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vaknin.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Dionysios Maroudas on Lifework (Part Two). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, June. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vaknin>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Dionysios Maroudas on Lifework (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vaknin.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Dionysios Maroudas on Lifework (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (June 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vaknin.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Dionysios Maroudas on Lifework (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vaknin>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Dionysios Maroudas on Lifework (Part Two)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vaknin.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Dionysios Maroudas on Lifework (Part Two).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):June. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vaknin>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Dionysios Maroudas on Lifework (Part Two) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vaknin.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 22, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 5,426
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Sam Vaknin is Visiting Professor of Psychology, Southern Federal University, Rostov-on-Don, Russia and Professor of Finance and Psychology in SIAS-CIAPS (Centre for International Advanced and Professional Studies), as well as a writer and the author of Malignant Self Love: Narcissism Revisited. He discusses: Narcissistic Personality Disorder or NPD; disorders and syndromes in the orbit of or related to NPD; the typical emotional age of someone diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder; impact their life trajectory; giftedness and narcissists; NPD marry someone, if at all, what is the divorce rate; a gifted narcissist who, finally, hits a limit of their talents; novel contributions to the field; differentiates work set forth by qualified self-help experts, self-styled self-help ‘experts’ (poorly trained, even badly self-trained), and qualified non-self-help experts/certified academic-oriented experts; in the area of NPD research; and Mayo Clinic Staff in “Narcissistic personality disorder“ list some of the attributes of NPD.
Keywords: malignant self love, narcissism, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, pathological narcissism, Russia, Sam Vaknin.
An Interview with Professor Sam Vaknin on Narcissistic Personality Disorder[1],[2]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: You are a leading expert in Narcissistic Personality Disorder or NPD. What is NPD?
Professor Sam Vaknin: Pathological narcissism is a life-long pattern of traits and behaviours which signify infatuation and obsession with one’s self to the exclusion of all others and the egotistic and ruthless pursuit of one’s gratification, dominance and ambition. As distinct from healthy narcissism which we all possess, pathological narcissism is maladaptive, rigid, persisting, and causes significant distress, and functional impairment.
2. Jacobsen: What are disorders and syndromes in the orbit of or related to NPD?
Vaknin: All the dramatic (or erratic) personality disorders – also known as cluster B – are closely related. The overlap is so great that two or more of them are often diagnosed in the same person, a phenomenon known as comorbidity. Another problem is the polythetic nature of the DSM: to be diagnosed with a disorder, one must satisfy only a few of its diagnostic criteria. So, we can have two patients with the same diagnosis, but utterly different traits and behaviors. NPD is also often comorbid with mood disorders, anxiety disorders, and substance abuse or other addictions.
3. Jacobsen: What is the typical emotional age of someone diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder?
Vaknin: Between 4 and 11, with a median of 6.
4. Jacobsen: What does this emotional age mean for individuals who are chronologically in their 20s, 30s, 40s, and beyond with formal NPD? How does this impact their life trajectory?
Vaknin: Such eternal adolescents (Puer Aeternus or Peter Pan) – children really – refuse to accept adult responsibilities and chores and to commit themselves to anything or anyone. They are ludic (like to play), self-centred, defiant, impulsive, immature both cognitively and emotionally, incapable of deciphering social and sexual cues, not fully differentiated as far as their gender and psychosexuality, lack impulse control, foresight, and the ability to delay gratification, are reckless, and suffer from identity diffusion (shifting values, allegiances, opinions, plans, even memories). They are highly dissociative and confabulate to make up for the time lost. Many suffer from addictions. They are not goal-oriented and both the level of organization of their personality and their self-efficacy are low.
5. Jacobsen: You have commented on giftedness and narcissists. Not all gifted people are narcissists; not all narcissists are gifted. However, when gifted people are narcissists, or vice versa, how does this impact the life of a child in interpersonal relations with peers and teachers, and when girl-girl, boy-boy, or girl-boy time in adolescence?
Vaknin: The prodigy – the precocious “genius” – feels entitled to special treatment. Yet, he rarely gets it. This frustrates him and renders him even more aggressive, driven, and overachieving than he is by nature.
As Horney pointed out, the child-prodigy is dehumanised and instrumentalised. His parents love him not for what he really is – but for what they wish and imagine him to be: the fulfilment of their dreams and frustrated wishes. The child becomes the vessel of his parents’ discontented lives, a tool, the magic brush with which they can transform their failures into successes, their humiliation into victory, their frustrations into happiness.
The child is taught to ignore reality and to occupy the parental fantastic space. Such an unfortunate child feels omnipotent and omniscient, perfect and brilliant, worthy of adoration and entitled to special treatment. The faculties that are honed by constantly brushing against bruising reality – empathy, compassion, a realistic assessment of one’s abilities and limitations, realistic expectations of oneself and of others, personal boundaries, team work, social skills, perseverance and goal-orientation, not to mention the ability to postpone gratification and to work hard to achieve it – are all lacking or missing altogether.
The child turned adult sees no reason to invest in his skills and education, convinced that his inherent genius should suffice. He feels entitled for merely being, rather than for actually doing (rather as the nobility in days gone by felt entitled not by virtue of its merit but as the inevitable, foreordained outcome of its birth right). In other words, he is not meritocratic – but aristocratic. In short: a narcissist is born.
Not all precocious prodigies end up under-accomplished and petulant. Many of them go on to attain great stature in their communities and great standing in their professions. But, even then, the gap between the kind of treatment they believe that they deserve and the one they are getting is unbridgeable.
This is because narcissistic prodigies often misjudge the extent and importance of their accomplishments and, as a result, erroneously consider themselves to be indispensable and worthy of special rights, perks, and privileges. When they find out otherwise, they are devastated and furious.
Moreover, people are envious of the prodigy. The genius serves as a constant reminder to others of their mediocrity, lack of creativity, and mundane existence. Naturally, they try to “bring him down to their level” and “cut him down to size”. The gifted person’s haughtiness and high-handedness only exacerbate his strained relationships.
In a way, merely by existing, the prodigy inflicts constant and repeated narcissistic injuries on the less endowed and the pedestrian. This creates a vicious cycle. People try to hurt and harm the overweening and arrogant genius and he becomes defensive, aggressive, and aloof. This renders him even more obnoxious than before and others resent him more deeply and more thoroughly. Hurt and wounded, he retreats into fantasies of grandeur and revenge. And the cycle re-commences.
Prone to shortcuts and to shallowness, the narcissist always feels like a fraud, even when his accomplishments are commensurate with his grandiose fantasies.
This all-pervasive conviction serves several paradoxical psychodynamic functions: it supports the narcissist’s sense of omnipotent superiority (as he is able to deceive everyone into believing his tall tales all the time); it justifies his profound belief that everyone, like him, is just pretending to knowledge and skills that they do not possess (otherwise they would have spotted and exposed him long ago); it gives him licence to indulge his intellectual laziness and emotional absence (he gets by without investing too much, so why bother); and it constantly generates the adrenaline rush that he is so addicted to (the tantalizing fear of being outed as the con-artist that he truly is.)
Recent studies seem to indicate that prodigies grow up to become narcissistic under-achievers.
Fields like literature require maturity and life experience. Prodigies, no matter how gifted, rarely possess the requisite emotional spectrum, an acquaintance with the nuances and subtleties of human relationships, or the accumulated knowledge that comes from first-hand exposure to the ups and downs of reality.
In contrast, the manipulation of symbols – in mathematics, music, or chess – does not require anything except the proper neurological “hardware and software” and access to widely available objective knowledge.
In a way, prodigies can be compared to computers: both excel in symbol manipulation and fail to impress in other, more fuzzy undertakings.
Precocious prodigies seem to be a culture-bound phenomenon. There are far fewer “gifted” children in the collectivist societies of Asia and Africa, for instance. Based as they are on statistical comparisons and ranking, Western IQ tests reflect the values of competition and individualism. Ipso facto, prodigies proliferate in rich, white, developed countries, and not in the poorer ambiences of the Third World, the inner cities, and minority communities.
Still, if you study the biographies of hundreds of men and (the far fewer) women who started life as Wunderkinder, you will find that many of them actually hailed from underprivileged backgrounds, replete with indigence, familial dysfunction, racial or other discrimination, and other forms of deprivation.
Thus, one would do well to distinguish between two types of prodigies: the pampered, cosseted, tutored, often narcissistic type versus the prodigy whose excellence is the only way of fleeing the miserableness of his or her circumstances. The second type of gifted youngster leverages what endowments he possesses to extricate himself from his destitute surroundings and restore hope to an otherwise bleak existence.
The child prodigy compensates with grandiose, fantastic, and inflated self-efficacy (“I can do anything if I just apply myself to it”) for a deficient sense of agency (“the life I am living is not mine”). The child prodigy suppresses his true self because his parents’s love is conditioned on the performance of a false self.
Consequently, the child feels that her life has been hijacked. She makes up for it by excelling and becoming proficient at what she does thus regaining a modicum of mastery and control, however illusory. Such attempts to carve out a parent-free enclave or niche often lead to pathologies such as eating disorders or substance abuse.
As an adult, the child prodigy becomes narcissistic, defiant, self-destructive, and manipulative. She adopts one of several narratives: 1. I am the sleeping beauty princess in need of saving from my monstrous tormentors (codependent) or 2. I am the Law and no one will tell me what to do and how to do it, I know best and one day I will shine again (antisocial-narcissistic) or 3. The world doesn’t deserve me and is too hostile, so I withdraw from it (paranoid-schizoid) or 4. I am broken, unfixable, and so free to act any which way (entitled-borderline).
6. Jacobsen: When individuals with NPD marry someone, if at all, what is the divorce rate of these marriages?
Vaknin: We have no statistics. But, paradoxically, trauma bonding and the shared fantasy in these marriages and the narcissist’s propensity to threaten and blackmail his intimate partner into submission would tend to reduce the divorce rates, not increase it.
7. Jacobsen: What happens with a gifted narcissist who, finally, hits a limit of their talents, e.g., in university, and then the reality of having to work hard, develop study habits, etc., hits home for them? Their false self hits the real world and does not have the emotional tools to deal with the hurt to their false self.
Vaknin: Allow me a quote: His genius was betrayed by lofty and indomitable traits of character which could not yield or compromise. And so his life was a tragedy of inconsequence.” (The poetess Harriet Monroe, quoted in the book “The Devil in White City” by Erik Larson)
You are asking if pathological narcissism is a positive adaptation, if it is a blessing or a malediction?
The answer is: it depends. Healthy narcissism is a mature, balanced love of oneself coupled with a stable sense of self-worth and self-esteem. Healthy narcissism implies knowledge of one’s boundaries and a proportionate and realistic appraisal of one’s achievements and traits.
Pathological narcissism is wrongly described as too much healthy narcissism (or too much self-esteem). These are two absolutely unrelated phenomena which, regrettably, came to bear the same title. Confusing pathological narcissism with self-esteem betrays a fundamental ignorance of both.
Pathological narcissism involves an impaired, dysfunctional, immature (True) Self coupled with a compensatory fiction (the False Self). The sick narcissist’s sense of self-worth and self-esteem derive entirely from audience feedback. The narcissist has no self-esteem or self-worth of his own (no such ego functions). In the absence of observers, the narcissist shrivels to non-existence and feels dead. Hence the narcissist’s preying habits in his constant pursuit of Narcissistic Supply. Pathological narcissism is an addictive behavior.
Still, dysfunctions are reactions to abnormal environments and situations (e.g., abuse, trauma, smothering, etc.)
Paradoxically, his dysfunction allows the narcissist to function. It compensates for lacks and deficiencies by exaggerating tendencies and traits. It is like the tactile sense of a blind person. In short: pathological narcissism is a result of over-sensitivity, the repression of overwhelming memories and experiences, and the suppression of inordinately strong negative feelings (e.g., hurt, envy, anger, or humiliation).
That the narcissist functions at all – is because of his pathology and thanks to it. The alternative is complete decompensation and disintegration.
In time, the narcissist learns how to leverage his pathology, how to use it to his advantage, how to deploy it in order to maximize benefits and utilities – in other words, how to transform his curse into a blessing.
Narcissists are obsessed by delusions of fantastic grandeur and superiority. As a result they are very competitive. They are strongly compelled – where others are merely motivated. They are driven, relentless, tireless, and ruthless. They often make it to the top. But even when they do not – they strive and fight and learn and climb and create and think and devise and design and conspire. Faced with a challenge – they are likely to do better than non-narcissists.
Yet, we often find that narcissists abandon their efforts in mid-stream, give up, vanish, lose interest, devalue former pursuits, fail, or slump. Why is that?
Narcissists are prone to self-defeating and self-destructive behaviors.
The Self-Punishing, Guilt-Purging Behaviors
These are intended to inflict punishment on the narcissist and thus instantly relieve him of his overwhelming anxiety.
This is very reminiscent of a compulsive-ritualistic behavior. The narcissist feels guilty. It could be an “ancient” guilt, a “sexual” guilt (Freud), or a “social” guilt. In early life, the narcissist internalized and introjected the voices of meaningful and authoritative others – parents, role models, peers – that consistently and convincingly judged him to be no good, blameworthy, deserving of punishment or retaliation, or corrupt.
The narcissist’s life is thus transformed into an on-going trial. The constancy of this trial, the never adjourning tribunal is the punishment. It is a Kafkaesque “trial”: meaningless, undecipherable, never-ending, leading to no verdict, subject to mysterious and fluid laws and presided over by capricious judges.
Such a narcissist masochistically frustrates his deepest desires and drives, obstructs his own efforts, alienates his friends and sponsors, provokes figures in authority to punish, demote, or ignore him, actively seeks and solicits disappointment, failure, or mistreatment and relishes them, incites anger or rejection, bypasses or rejects opportunities, or engages in excessive self-sacrifice.
In their book “Personality Disorders in Modern Life”, Theodore Millon and Roger Davis, describe the diagnosis of “Masochistic or Self-Defeating Personality Disorder”, found in the appendix of the DSM III-R but excluded from the DSM IV. While the narcissist is rarely a full-fledged masochist, many a narcissist exhibit some of the traits of this personality disorder.
The Extracting Behaviors
People with Personality Disorders (PDs) are very afraid of real, mature, intimacy. Intimacy is formed not only within a couple, but also in a workplace, in a neighborhood, with friends, while collaborating on a project. Intimacy is another word for emotional involvement, which is the result of interactions in constant and predictable (safe) propinquity.
PDs interpret intimacy as counter-dependence, emotional strangulation, the snuffing of freedom, a kind of death in installments. They are terrorized by it. To avoid it, their self-destructive and self-defeating acts are intended to dismantle the very foundation of a successful relationship, a career, a project, or a friendship. Narcissists feel elated and relieved after they unshackle these “chains”. They feel they broke a siege, that they are liberated, free at last.
The Default Behaviors
We are all, to some degree, inertial, afraid of new situations, new opportunities, new challenges, new circumstances and new demands. Being healthy, being successful, getting married, becoming a mother, or someone’s boss – often entail abrupt breaks with the past. Some self-defeating behaviors are intended to preserve the past, to restore it, to protect it from the winds of change, to self-deceptively skirt promising opportunities while seeming to embrace them.
Moreover, to the narcissist, a challenge, or even a guaranteed eventual triumph, are meaningless in the absence of onlookers. The narcissist needs an audience to applaud, affirm, recoil, approve, admire, adore, fear, or even detest him. He craves the attention and depends on the Narcissistic Supply only others can provide. The narcissist derives sustenance only from the outside – his emotional innards are hollow and moribund.
The narcissist’s enhanced performance is predicated on the existence of a challenge (real or imaginary) and of an audience. Baumeister usefully re-affirmed this linkage, known to theoreticians since Freud.
But, we are well-advised to make a distinction between high-functioning narcissists whose personality is highly organized and low-functioning narcissist who often end up being failures and losers.
Narcissists are low-functioning (with a disorganized personality), high-functioning, or dysfunctional (usually when the patient’s narcissism is comorbid with other mental health problems.) High-functioning narcissists are indistinguishable from driven and ambitious alpha over-achievers. But even they tend to implode and self-destruct. Low-functioning narcissists are antisocial, sometimes schizoid, and beset by disorders of mood and affect.
Three traits conspire to render the low-functioning narcissist a failure and a loser: his sense of entitlement, his haughtiness and innate conviction of his own superiority, and his aversion to routine.
The narcissist’s sense of entitlement encourages his indolence. He firmly believes that he should be spoon-fed and that accomplishments and honors should be handed to him on a silver platter, without any commensurate effort on his part. His mere existence justifies such exceptional treatment. Many narcissists are under-qualified and lack skills because they can’t be bothered with the minutia of obtaining an academic degree, professional training, or exams.
The narcissist’s arrogance and belief that he is superior to others, whom he typically holds in contempt – in other words: the narcissist’s grandiose fantasies – hamper his ability to function in society. The cumulative outcomes of this social dysfunction gradually transform him into a recluse and an outcast. He is shunned by colleagues, employers, neighbors, erstwhile friends, and, finally, even by long-suffering family members who tire of his tirades and rants.
Unable to work in a team, to compromise, to give credit where due, and to strive towards long-term goals, the narcissist – skilled and gifted as he may be – finds himself unemployed and unemployable, his bad reputation preceding him.
Even when offered a job or a business opportunity, the narcissist recoils, bolts, and obstructs each and every stage of the negotiations or the transaction.
But this passive-aggressive (negativistic and masochistic) conduct has nothing to do with the narcissist’s aforementioned indolence. The narcissist is not afraid of some forms of hard work. He invests inordinate amounts of energy, forethought, planning, zest, and sweat in securing narcissistic supply, for instance.
The narcissist’s sabotage of new employment or business prospects is owing to his abhorrence of routine. Narcissists feel trapped, shackled, and enslaved by the quotidian, by the repetitive tasks that are inevitably involved in fulfilling one’s assignments. They hate the methodical, step-by-step, long-term, approach. Possessed of magical thinking, they’d rather wait for miracles to happen. Jobs, business deals, and teamwork require perseverance and tolerance of boredom which the narcissist sorely lacks.
Life forces most narcissists into the hard slog of a steady job (or succession of jobs). Such “unfortunate” narcissists, coerced into a framework they resent, are likely to act out and erupt in a series of self-destructive and self-defeating acts (see above).
But there are other narcissists, the “luckier” ones, those who can afford not to work. They laze about, indulge themselves in a variety of idle and trivial pursuits, seek entertainment and thrills wherever and whenever they can, and while their lives away, at once content and bitter: content with their lifestyle and the minimum demands it imposes on them and bitter because they haven’t achieved more, they haven’t reached the pinnacle or their profession, they haven’t become as rich or famous or powerful as they deserve to be.
We all try to replicate and re-enact our successes. We feel comfortable and confident doing what we do best and what we do most often. We enshrine our oft-repeated tasks and our cumulative experiences as habits.
Asked to adopt new skills and confront unprecedented tasks, we recoil, procrastinate, or delegate (read: pass the buck). Performance anxiety is common.
Someone who keeps failing is rendered very good at it, he becomes adept at the art of floundering, an expert on fizzle and blunder, an artist of the slip. The more dismal the defeats, the more familiar the terrain of losses and botched attempts. Failure is the loser’s comfort zone. He uses projective identification to coerce people around him to help him revert to form: to fail.
Such a loser will aim to recreate time and again his only accomplishment: his spectacular downfalls, thwarted schemes, and harebrained stratagems. A slave to a repetition compulsion, the loser finds the terra incognita of success intimidating. He wraps his precious aborted flops in a mantle of an ideology: success is an evil, all successful people are crooks or the beneficiaries of quirky fortune.
To the loser, his miscarriages and deterioration are a warm blanket underneath which he hides himself from a hostile world. Failure is a powerful and addictive organizing principle which imbues life with meaning and predictability and allows the loser to make sense of his personal history. Being a loser is an identity and losers are proud of it as they recount with wonder their mishaps, misfortune, and vicissitudes.
Why do some narcissists appear to be bumbling fools, never mind how intelligent they actually are? Eight reasons:
1. No impulse control, no forethought, no foresight = counterproductive, self-defeating, and self-destructive decisions and actions.
2. Acting out: when narcissistic supply is deficient, narcissists decompensate and go haywire (see: collapsed narcissists).
3. Pseudo-stupidity: to avoid the consequences of their misdeeds, narcissists pretend that they have misunderstood something you have said or done or that you took advantage of their good nature.
4. Gullibility: narcissists are grandiose and fantasts, so they misjudge reality (impaired reality test), their skills and limitations, and the intentions of others.
5. No empathy means that the narcissist disastrously misreads others and behaves in socially unacceptable and clownish ways.
6. His sense of entitlement renders the narcissist an overweening buffoon, the butt of mockery and derision, rather than the awe he believes that he inspires and the respect he thinks that he deserves.
7. Hypervigilance leads to disproportionate aggression directed at imaginary slights and to persecutory delusions: paranoid ideation often directed at innocent targets.
8. Finally, the narcissist uses false modesty to fish for compliments. But his attempts are so transparent and inarticulate, so fake and manipulative that people react with repulsion and seek to humiliate him.
8. Jacobsen: Why does NPD happen more in men and Borderline Personality Disorder happen more in women?
Vaknin: Ever since Freud, more women than men sought therapy. Consequently, terms like “hysteria’ are intimately connected to female physiology and alleged female psychology. The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, the bible of the psychiatric profession) expressly professes gender bias: personality disorders such as Borderline and Histrionic are supposed to be more common among women. but the DSM is rather even-handed: other personality disorders (e.g., the Narcissistic and Antisocial as well as the Schizotypal, Obsessive-Compulsive, Schizoid, and Paranoid) are more prevalent among men.
Why this gender disparity? There are a few possible answers:
Maybe personality disorders are not objective clinical entities, but culture-bound syndromes. In other words, perhaps they reflect biases and value judgments. Some patriarchal societies are also narcissistic. They emphasize qualities such as individualism and ambition, often identified with virility. Hence the preponderance of pathological narcissism among men. Women, on the other hand, are widely believed to be emotionally labile and clinging. This is why most Borderlines and Dependents are females.
Upbringing and environment, the process of socialization and cultural mores all play an important role in the pathogenesis of personality disorders. These views are not fringe: serious scholars (e.g., Kaplan and Pantony, 1991) claim that the mental health profession is inherently sexist.
Then again, genetics may be is at work. Men and women do differ genetically. This may account for the variability of the occurrence of specific personality disorders in men and women.
Some of the diagnostic criteria are ambiguous or even considered “normal” by the majority of the population. Histrionics “consistently use physical appearance to draw attention to self.” Well, who doesn’t in Western society? Why when a woman clings to a man it is labeled “codependence”, but when a man relies on a woman to maintain his home, take care of his children, choose his attire, and prop his ego it is “companionship” (Walker, 1994)?
The less structured the interview and the more fuzzy the diagnostic criteria, the more the diagnostician relies on stereotypes (Widiger, 1998).
9. Jacobsen: As a foremost expert on NPD, what have been the novel contributions to the field by you?
Vaknin: I started my work in this then obscure field in 1995. I had to coin a whole new language, a glossary of neologisms and terms adapted from other branches of psychology in order to describe my observations and studies. Most of the terms and phrases in use today can be traced back to my pioneering efforts (including the ubiquitous “narcissistic abuse”). My website – with well over 2000 articles – was the only one dedicated to the subject until 2004 and I ran all the online support groups for victims of narcissistic abuse until that year. I want to believe that there is no aspect of our current understanding of narcissistic disorders of the self that does not bear my stamp and signature. I am still innovating: “cold empathy”, “collapsed histrionic”, “covert borderline”, “flat attachment” and dozens of other new concepts. I also came up with a new treatment modality, “Cold Therapy”, that shows promise in our attempts to reverse NPD and major depression. I have been teaching all these things for 5 years now to generations of students and mental health practitioners in several countries. Parallel with that, I am helping to revive a theory in physics that I came up with in 1982-4 and which is gaining mainstream currency now and I contribute to diverse fields such as economics and philosophy. Keeping busy.
10. Jacobsen: What differentiates work set forth by qualified self-help experts, self-styled self-help ‘experts’ (poorly trained, even badly self-trained), and qualified non-self-help experts/certified academic-oriented experts in the area of NPD research and public presentation of theories and empirics?
Vaknin: There are very few true experts and scholars in this relatively new and embryonic field and not one of them is accessible online. The overwhelming majority of the self-styled “experts” online are charlatans and worse. They spew dangerous and misleading nonsense and capitalize on the victims’s plight. I have never charged a cent for my work: it has all been available online at no cost since 1995. The only thing I charge for is my time. The rest is free: books, videos, papers, articles, everything. Whatever I make available is based on decades of in-depth research into the literature and an experience of 25 years, triple that of anyone else.
11. Jacobsen: So, the Mayo Clinic Staff in “Narcissistic personality disorder“ list some of the attributes of NPD:
- Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
- Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
- Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
- Exaggerate achievements and talents
- Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
- Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
- Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
- Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
- Take advantage of others to get what they want
- Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
- Be envious of others and believe others envy them
- Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
- Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office
How accurate is this listing? The Mayo Clinic is pretty darn good on most stuff, I assume. Does this differ from the DSM-V or align with it?
Vaknin: This text merely paraphrases the diagnostic criteria listed in the DSM IV-TR without adding a single thing or insight to them and without adapting the language – first published in 2000 – to the most recent advances in the field. Here is a modified version of my own:
- Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognised as superior without commensurate achievements);
- Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;
- Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);
- Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation – or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply);
- Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her unreasonable expectations for special and favourable priority treatment;
- Is “interpersonally exploitative”, i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;
- Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;
- Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration. Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions as he or she believes that they feel the same about him or her and are likely to act similarly;
- Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, “above the law”, and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Visiting Professor of Psychology, Southern Federal University, Rostov-on-Don, Russia; Professor of Finance and Psychology in SIAS-CIAPS (Centre for International Advanced and Professional Studies).
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 22, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/vaknin; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
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Keywords: Bala, decolonization, Islam, lawyer, Leo Igwe.
Police: Grant Bala Access To A Lawyer And Formally Charge Him[1],[2]
To appease the international community, Nigerian authorities have told British parliamentarians that Nigerian humanist, Mubarak Bala, has been charged in court in Kano. They claimed that he was charged with insulting religion. This is not exactly the case. This representation is another attempt by Nigerian officials to misinform the world, misrepresent issues, and become a party to delaying and denying justice. Police arrested Bala in Kano on April 28 and whisked him to Kano the following day. Since April 29, the police in Kano have held Bala incommunicado without access to a lawyer and family members. The police have consistently undermined Bala’s legal representation and frustrated efforts by the lawyer to meet Bala. At first, the police in Kano denied knowing the whereabouts of Mr. Bala. They took the lawyer to the various police cells to confirm that Mubarak Bala was not in their custody. For some days, there were speculations that police detectives might have murdered Bala on their way to Kano. Efforts to get police officials in Kano and Abuja to confirm the fate of Mr. Bala proved abortive. Both the Commissioner of Police, Habu Sani, and the police public relations officers in Abuja, Frank Mba were not picking or returning calls. They were not providing any useful information or lead to what happened to Bala. After some days, information emerged that Bala had been ‘charged’ in court in May. Further investigation revealed that the ‘charge’ was only a ploy by the police to obtain a remand, that is a mandate to remand him. Bala has not been formally charged. Several pre-hearings have been scheduled but due to one excuse or the other, they were postponed. In all the pre-hearings, the lawyer made efforts to see Mubarak Bala but the police blocked them.
First of all, the lawyer and the police prosecutor met and agreed on the date to meet Mr. Bala. However, on that day, the police prosecutor did not turn up. When the lawyer contacted him, he claimed that he was sick. At subsequent pre-hearings, the police did not allow the lawyer to Bala. The police have refused to produce him in court. In fact, at a point, the police prosecutor claimed that Bala had been taken back to Kaduna. Some persons contacted the Commissioner of Police in Kaduna and he confirmed that Mubarak Bala was in his custody. At the last prehearing, the lawyer had to formally apply to see Bala and the application will be heard next week.
So it was improper and unfair for Nigerian officials to tell the world that Mubarak Bala had been charged in court. Do you charge a person in court without giving him or her access to a lawyer? Is the case of Mubarak Bala that of prosecution without legal representation? Is that not against the constitution? Why are Nigerian officials misrepresenting the situation in this case? Look, today marks 54 days since Bala was arrested, he has not been produced in court, he has not been allowed to see a lawyer. Why are Nigerian authorities making it clear that Bala would not receive a fair trial in Kano or anywhere in Nigeria?
There have been repeated calls to the Nigerian police to transfer Bala’s case to Abuja or another neutral ground. But these requests have fallen on deaf ears. The police have either refused or ignored these prayers. The police are not handling this case as required by law. They do not want to transfer the case to a neutral ground, based on legitimate concerns. The police do not want to grant Bala access to a lawyer or formally charge him. At the same time, they are giving the impression that they are prosecuting Mubarak Bala as required by law. They are not.
Why is Nigeria eager to create the impression that state officials are going about the case of Bala in line with the constitution? Meanwhile, the Nigerian authorities are acting in flagrant violation of Bala’s human and constitutional rights. Nigerian officials should not forget the legal maxim: quod approbo non reprobo (that which I approve I cannot disapprove). They should stop approbating and reprobating in this case. If as Nigerian officials have told the world, Mubarak Bala has been charge, then they should, as a matter of urgency, end this legal charade going on in Kano and Abuja. The police should grant Bala access to a lawyer and formally charge him in court.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 21, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/police-grant-bala-access-to-a-lawyer-and-formally-charge-him.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 15, 2020
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Abstract
Dr. Giuseppe Corrente is a Computer Science teacher at Torino University. He earned a Ph.D. in Science and High Technology – Computer Science in 2013 at Torino University. He has contributed to the World Intelligence Network’s publication Phenomenon. He discusses: overexcitability; Positive Disintegration theory; “gifted” as a term; Positive Disintegration; partial underachievers; main figures advancing Positive Disintegration theory; competing theories in contradistinction to Positive Disintegration theory; and a gifted educational system orientation focus on Positive Disintegration theory to advance more positive experiences for the gifted youth.
Keywords: gifted, Giuseppe Corrente, IQ, Italy, Positive Disintegration Theory.
An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Positive Disintegration Theory (Part Five)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Now, one certain trait among many of the gifted, if defined in a standard psychometric sense, is the phenomenon of overexcitability. In that, these individuals remain stuck on overdrive. Or if not much of the time, if a subject of deep interest to them, then they can become extremely focused and excited by the topic so as to exhibit overexcitability characteristics in the pursuit of mastery of the discipline. Something can happen with a surface negative and a subterranean positive. The gifted and talented can become excited beyond capacity to handle it. They collapse, fall apart, break away, and slither into a corner. Positive Dsintegration theory posits something akin to a creative destruction of self. The breaking down and apart is part and parcel of the becoming part of the wider framework of the evolution of self to higher levels of coherence, understanding. How is Positive Disintegration theory important for understanding the condition of life for many gifted and talented individuals?
Giuseppe Corrente: Gifted and talented people are often special for something since their birth. It can be for a particular sensibility or for an artistic talent or for high IQ that represents intellectual over-excitability, or for some other feature. This, together environmental conditions and mutual interaction with it, can be the cause of a strong psychological crisis, but also the source of a stronger ‘rebirth’. This matter is studied in Positive Disintegration.
2. Jacobsen: Why is Positive Disintegration theory important, period?
Corrente: Because, if associated with high innate abilities, can transform a crisis period in the beginning of a growth, at the end also a spiritual growth, instead of the beginning of the end.
3. Jacobsen: Is the term gifted outmoded or relevant still here?
Corrente: When we consider Positive Disintegration theory we must consider not only people with high IQ but also persons with other features that could make those persons too susceptible of crisis periods, but also adapt to view these as an opportunity, a real opportunity to become real more and more aware and precious, for himself and for the whole society. In ’60 as now.
4. Jacobsen: How can Positive Disintegration not only help understand the condition of the gifted, but also not in other ways?
Corrente: The common way to view anxiety, a sense of nullity, in worst cases the desire to end with all killing himself, is as a mental illness symptom, a sign of disease in the better case; only with Positive Disintegration when it’s possible it is viewed as a almost necessary step with which few special individuals have the opportunity to go towards a more full level of existence, a more aware way of living and to explicate their own talents in an individual, unique way and in the same time becoming potentially a guide for the society.
5. Jacobsen: What makes partial underachievers important to consider in the case of Positive Disintegration and Gifted Coaching? I suspect this might mean the cases in which the gifted individual had negative disintegration, as this seems like a logical (behavioural-psychological) complement in the opposite direction as positive disintegration as posited in the theoretical framework of Positive Disintegration theory.
Corrente: Partial underachievers may take inspiration from the Positive Disintegration theory with the aim to see and review their life and their failures as a sign of a wrong reaction to inner and external difficulties and so begin to be fully aware of their rich inner world and of their great potentialities.
6. Jacobsen: Who have been the main figures in the advancement of Positive Disintegration theory?
Corrente: Dabrowski. He was a psychologist and developed his theory in years ’60. He was also like a guru for the small group of his theory’s followers. It is a theory applicable to few cases, in a field, the psychology of gifted and talented, that regards as target to a little percentage of population, so it is not as popular as one could expect reading or studying some pieces of theory, that seems very profound and significant.
7. Jacobsen: What are competing theories in contradistinction to Positive Disintegration theory?
Corrente: Perhaps for more common aspects Positive Psychology founded by Maslow; I am not a psychologist or an expert, but in my opinion Positive Disintegration has no rivals, I think no other theory exists that gives a so whole picture of what can be the tormented unique path that a genius generally does becoming who he is.
8. Jacobsen: How could a gifted educational system orientation focus on Positive Disintegration theory to advance more positive experiences for the gifted youth?
Corrente: Positive Disintegration should be surely in the toolbox of psychologists that work with gifted and talented youth, together with other theories and clinical practices. It is also a self-educational way. A gifted person can study it with the aim to empower himself and his own self-knowledge. A precious matter that each gifted or talented person needs to have in his cultural baggage.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Ph.D. (2013), Science and High Technology – Computer Science, Torino University.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 15, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-five; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Positive Disintegration Theory (Part Five) [Online].June 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-five.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, June 15). An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Positive Disintegration Theory (Part Five). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-five.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Positive Disintegration Theory (Part Five). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, June. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-five>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Positive Disintegration Theory (Part Five).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-five.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Positive Disintegration Theory (Part Five).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (June 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-five.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Positive Disintegration Theory (Part Five)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-five>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Positive Disintegration Theory (Part Five)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-five.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Positive Disintegration Theory (Part Five).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):June. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-five>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Giuseppe Corrente on Positive Disintegration Theory (Part Five) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/corrente-five.
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Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
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Abstract
Christian is a Philosopher that comes from Belgium. What identifies him the most and above all is simplicity, for everything is better with “vanilla flavour.” Perhaps, for this reason, his intellectual passion is criticism and irony, in the sense of trying to reveal what “hides behind the mask,” and give birth to the true. For him, ignorance and knowledge never “cross paths.” What he likes the most in his leisure time, is to go for a walk with his wife.
Keywords: Christian Sorenson, ideal reality, mathematics, natural, ontology, pure philosophy, Quantum Mechanics.
An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Consciousness, Ideal Reality, Mathematics, and Ontological Reality (Part Six)[1],[2]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Math/maths/mathematics, what is it?
Christian Sorenson: I feel, they are like “musical melodies,” that when “listened to” and “contemplated” through soul, produce a “sensation of pleasure,” similar to “sexual enjoyment.”
Jacobsen: As a branch of science, how do mathematical sciences seem to exist in some nether world between natural philosophy/science and pure philosophy?
Sorenson: I think the opposite, since “math” is the one that should be found above science and above natural and pure philosophy, due to the fact that if “ultimate reality is ideal,” then this last should be written by “means of numbers,” and therefore they are “not perceptible by senses” nor can they be studied through “empirical object models.”
Jacobsen: Is math created, discovered, both, or more?
Sorenson: I don’t have the certainty that “math” is created, I only have the conviction that “it exists,” and likewise, I believe it’s not “discovered,” since it only “knows how to show itself.”
Jacobsen: Why does math describe the natural world so well?
Sorenson: Because the “natural world,” is an “image” or “shadow” of the “ideal world” that is “real,” and “written” in “mathematical language.”
Jacobsen: What unites the mathematical descriptions of the world and the conclusions of the world as a natural dynamic object?
Sorenson: The “subject.”
Jacobsen: Why does the quantum mechanical world mean an ontological uncertainty about the world? In that, the universe does not have complete information about itself.
Sorenson: Since “quantum mechanical world,” tries to study “ontological reality” of the universe through what I will denominate as “model of being,” due to the fact that the “nature” of what quantum theory considers as “elementary particles,” constitutes in my opinion nothing more than “supposed entities,” because until now has never reached to observed them. Therefore, I believe that these last, only fulfills an “instrumental empirical function,” that’s just able to provide “indirect ontological certainties,” and in consequence it is logical to conclude, that “universe,” does not have complete information about itself, since “yet has not been able first to complete itself.”
Jacobsen: Why does a natural philosophy or science mean an epistemological uncertainty? In that, the tools of science only give partial and incomplete knowledge in various fidelities about the universe.
Sorenson: In my opinion it is not about “natural philosophy” or “science,” but rather of “natural philosophy” and “science,” since both “can share the bias” regarding the “object of study,” nevertheless not so, in relation to their “response capacity,” because meanwhile one of them “responds to how” and only fulfills with “intermediate responses,” the other instead does it “regarding to what,” in function to “ultimate responses,” and therefore by reaching higher degrees of “certainty,” which can never go beyond the “principle of non-contradiction.”
Humanly speaking, the latter “is our limit,” since until now we have not been able to exceed it.
Jacobsen: Why does sensory uncertainty mean yet another layer of uncertainty for us?
Sorenson: Because “esse, est percipi.”
Jacobsen: Why does the knowing that we know and being a here-and-how consciousness amount to the main certainty available to us, as individual consciousnesses?
Sorenson: Regarding “individual consciousness,” I feel that rather than having an “amount of certainty,” only has an “ephemeral” one, since it constitutes a “present-moment” that when it’s “apprehended,” at the same time “disappears.” Nevertheless, what I consider as “collective consciousness,” is quite different, because unlike the “individual,” allows us to capture “present’s-presence” through what I would name as “inter-relational noetic consensus.”
Jacobsen: If we have the certainty of the existence of ourselves as knowing that we know and being here-and-now consciousnesses or richly aware though highly flawed interconnected information processors, and if we have the sensory uncertainty provided via the various sense modalities of the body feeding into this consciousness, and if we have the second epistemological uncertainties of the sciences and various means by which some reasonable estimates of the natural world are derived from natural philosophical/scientific tools, and if we have the third ontological uncertainty of the universe being built quantum mechanically and, therefore, having incomplete knowledge about itself, then the one certainty comes down to individual self-awareness with everything extended out from this and back into us implying a layered cake of individuated and reasonably understood uncertainties with distinct characteristics and implications for the individual self-awarenesses. In this natural world and one describable by mathematics, we come to a naturalistic mind and a mathematical description in principle or in theory possible about such awarenesses, which makes the simulation and replication in different mediums possible for or about these consciousnesses. In that, the mathematical models of human consciousnesses individually at first and then as a range of elements in the set of all possible natural human consciousnesses become possible to download from or simulate into some massive future database or computer. Some things follow from the overarching constructs here. One, the universe is a natural place. Two, it can be described by mathematics. Three, human beings are naturalistic and describable by math. Four, human consciousness is naturalistic and describable by mathematical sciences, eventually. Five, this means an eventual replication in artificial intellects, including feeling, sensing, emoting, in ranges and fidelities far beyond current human forms. Six, as with anything understood, there is a continual wonder about it, but a mundane-making of it. In that, human consciousness will be probably devalued as a result of comprehension and replication. It becomes another thing that the scientists can do now. Seven, the room for magical, supernatural, extramaterial, supernormal, extramundane, spooky, paranormal, or miraculous hypotheses about the natural world get, more or less, squeezed out of possible. As Hawking had noted about the functionality-victory of science compared to religion, “It works.” Or as Dawkins noted, “It works… bitches.” Yet, as I see in Canada, and as I see in the United States of America, and throughout the world, truly, a continual onslaught of non-sense – as in making no sense at all, practically or reasonably or scientifically – pummeling the eyes and the minds of the nations. Is there as asymptote on the levels of actual knowledge about the world citizens can handle, simply as a fact about the species?
Sorenson: I agree about that “science” is the answer, nevertheless I consider that it is possible “to go further” towards a science but “with capital letters,” that is to say, that allows us to find responses that until now neither “conventional science” nor “philosophy” have been able to reach. I believe that all the “uncertainties and disorientations” that exists, have indeed led out to a “great world convulsion,” since pragmatically speaking, the “most principal common sense,” that’s our “reason common sense” has “shone by its absence.” From my point of view, deep down, what exists is a generalized “syndrome of learned despair,” as a consequence of not being capable enough to find solutions to “fundamental problems” that affect us as a specie. In this sense, I estimate that a possible path, would be to try to “broaden the field of consciousness,” in order to “discover and explore other dimensions,” that may allow to “expand our micro-cosmos,” and in this way to achieve an “evolutionary leap” that enables “higher cognitive resources” to gain access to “realities” with other “registers of complexity.”
Jacobsen: How do the uncertainties and certainty in the universe mix to you? What makes them coherent?
Sorenson: Actually for me they mix when “I dream,” since “for dreaming,” first of all it is necessary “to awake.”
Jacobsen: Are the laws of nature really “laws”?
Sorenson: From my point of view, they are “neologisms of linearity” with “abstract existence.”
Jacobsen: Why do these “musical melodies” bring about a joy or enjoyment akin to sexual pleasure?
Sorenson: Since I define the “subject” as “S -1,” and in my opinion if “math” is “metaphorically encrypted” on the space of “incognito” as “unknown,” and in turn “sexual pleasure” is always with respect to a “lack,” then it could be said that what I can experience, is close “to enjoyment,” which in “its nature is sexual” though not necessarily “carnal.”
Jacobsen: For numbers, as the representation of the ideal reality in a notation comprehensible to human beings, what does this say about numbers in and of themselves?
Sorenson: I believe that “number” as an “ideal reality” exists autonomously, nevertheless, as “an entity it is barred” in itself, since it is not possible to access towards its inside, and therefore it is “not capable of expressing anything.” In consequence, is only by “forming chains” and establishing “operational relationships” with others as “entities of same nature” that’s able to express “comprehensible meanings.”
Jacobsen: What does this say about mathematics apart from human forms of notation of the ideal world in the mathematics, where mathematics becomes the closest translational tool for comprehension of the ideal world from which human beings derive?
Sorenson: Implicitly speaking, they say that although they cannot be written down as “forms of notation,” there’s an exception if this regards a particular “symbol,” since what ultimately try to represent is nothing less than “infinite,” due to the fact that at all times they “spin around” and somehow keep “in relation” to it.
Jacobsen: What is the ideal world?
Sorenson: In my opinion it is similar to a “spiritual world,” that is in another “place of reality” perhaps parallel to ours, which is “eternal and immutable,” and from which we descended by “emanations” into “this existence.”
Jacobsen: Is the ideal world infinite, absolute, both, or more?
Sorenson: I believe it’s a “universal form,” that simultaneously is “alpha and omega,” and which “evolves expanding and compressing spirally.”
Jacobsen: Why did mathematics end up as the translational tool, i.e., numerical symbolization and operators relating the numbers?
Sorenson: Because our “formal rational processes” works with a “binary logic” that I will denominate as “logic of out-out,” and which lastly will be the base that enables numbers, to relate through operators, between each other.
Jacobsen: Even in the case of a “conviction,” isn’t this simply a more sophisticated manned of stating a sensibility akin to a faith in the extant nature of math?
Sorenson: Actually not, since “faith convictions” necessarily “are apodictics” in their certainties, and therefore follow the “path of truth,” while mine doesn’t, because actually continues “that of doxa.” Therefore if at the same time, a “mathematical idea” may be thought, then someone needs to exist for being so. And in turn, if this “occurs inside me,” then I can “affirm with conviction” from experience, that indeed “it exists at least within myself,” and that “this is as much as I do.”
Jacobsen: What are the ways in which math “knows how to show itself,” as this phrase connotes a conscious intent “to be known”?
Sorenson: “Math” in my opinion does not have to manifest itself “through a veil.” Analogically speaking, it is the only entity that actually can absolutely say “that is the one who is,” since “does not participates of its ideal form.” For this reason, in turn they don’t “show themselves,” but on the contrary, we are the ones who instead “need to follow some path” to access them, which is neither derived from “intellectual reflections” nor of “pragmatism,” yet only through “reminiscence” they will be achieved. In other words, is by “reminding” that these “will emerged spontaneously,” and at a certain moment in “the field of our consciousness.” And is with the mediation of “contemplation,” which
enables them for “being visualized” in a “fleeting space” with our “spiritual senses,” that we “are authorized” to access their “knowledge deeply.”
Jacobsen: In “ultimate reality is ideal,” what is meant by “ideal”?
Sorenson: I think that “ideal” in itself means something similar to a “immaterial model” in an “aesthetic and ontological” sense of understanding it, with respect to which all “other entities of identical substantial attributes are comparables.” Therefore, “with whom” also we can “formally identify ourselves” since it will be in relation to “properties” that are possessed by an “essence.”
Jacobsen: Is there truly a bottom, philosophical bedrock? Or is it an onion to peel, and peel, and peel, ad infinitum?
Sorenson: At the “level of consciousness and logic” in which sciences and philosophy are currently found, I believe that indeed there is a bottom beyond which it is not possible to go. Nevertheless, at same time I am convinced about the premise, that there are “other possible levels of consciousness,” and also other “logical formalities” that probably would only have “infinity as a limit.”
Jacobsen: Of numbers, these are part of math. Math is part of a toolkit to represent the ideal reality. What are numbers before representation?
Sorenson: I believe they were part of an “undifferentiated ideal whole” which was different from “zero,” and that could be “symbolized” mathematically assuming the “sign of infinity.”
Jacobsen: How much is left out in the “shadow” or the “image” of ideal reality? Obviously, we have enough clarity to survive and get along.
Sorenson: I feel that what is left, is “as much as a mirage,” though in the desert “nothing is more real” than that.
Jacobsen: What is the subject in this intermediary role between mathematical descriptions of the world and the conclusions of the world as a natural dynamic object?
Sorenson: In my opinion, is a “divided subject,” who in its “actual evolutionary degree,” is not able to access not even to itself, nor to the natural and ideal worlds, since it’s incapable to remove “the barrier” interposed “between symbol and its meaning,” and therefore has no choice, but to “access indirectly into it,” only through the use of “metaphor and metonymy.”
Jacobsen: Between these four points of contact between the ideal reality, the mathematical descriptors, the subject, and the natural dynamic object, how does one “bleed into” another? That is to say, three of these, by definition, should have fuzzy edges of one “feeding off” and into another.
Sorenson: A “Mathematical descriptor,” is similar to a “double pendulum” that joins the other three elements through “unpredictable movements,” that in my opinion follow a “coherent chaos.” On one end, it unites “ideal reality” which “sustains others,” and acts as the “founding matrix” of others. And on the other extreme, it does so with the “natural world,” that is “the least subsistent” of all, ontologically speaking. The “subject” for its part, is found “in the pendulum joint,” and metaphysically speaking is alike to “a middle child” or to “the ham of a sandwich,” due to fact that it’s “not a completely subsistent and pure form,” as occurs with the “ideal one,” but in turn it is “not either” a “purely sensitive substance” because doesn’t belongs entirely to the “natural” world.
Jacobsen: What is intelligence in relation to the ideal reality, the mathematical descriptors, the subject, and the natural dynamic object? Most organisms never formalize a mathematical language for description of the ideal world. (Some) Human beings remain unique in operation within a world of natural dynamic object while having some level of knowledge of mathematics to comprehend the formal descriptors of the ideal reality.
Sorenson: “Intelligence,” is similar to “a non-abstract-able” and “semi-immaterial drive motor,” that in relation to “ideal reality” is “potentially capable” of “abstracting an essence,” and therefore of “extracting it symbolically” through a “formal identification” process, which “leads it to assimilated” as if it was a part of itself.
Jacobsen: What is ontological reality? Is this another way to speak of ideal reality?
Sorenson: It is not equivalent to speak of one or the other, since “ideal reality” is always an “ontological reality” but the latter is not always an “ideal reality.” The “ontological reality,” is “the reality of being as such,” therefore it comprises “all existing beings,” while “ideal reality,” only encompasses a type of beings that are “eternals,” “pure forms,” and “subsistingly existing.”
Jacobsen: Who was the first to speak of an ideal reality?
Sorenson: In my opinion who first spoked of “ideal reality” more consistently and systematically was Platon.
Jacobsen: Since we can predict, hypothesize, and visualize, we can create low-fidelity versions of the ideal reality with the proper mathematical constructs in mind, even more true for internal abstractions of the “images” of ideal reality brought forth into us. Our capacity is intriguing and points to orientations towards abstracted notions of truth and objectivity as something approximated via evolution (sorry, Plantinga), simply as a matter of the flowing course of evolution over time. I can make this more concrete. The adjacent sexual pleasure derived from some music appears to come from the representation of mathematical certainties and in the real “musical melodies” of music, as per the Mozart example from before, or some recent tones in some of Gibbons, Haydn, and Hindemith, who I have been listening to today. We seem to have evolved a system of reward or “pleasure” from encountering the mathematical “musical melodies” reflective of some ideal reality, while represented in a variety of modalities in the image world derived from the ideal world. There is no direct question here. Only some thoughts for reflection and extension by you.
Sorenson: The “sexual pleasure” of which I refer, is not necessarily equivalent to something of “carnal nature.” Indeed, and at the same time “sexual pleasure” as such, has evolved overtime in “its function,” but not with “its goal,” therefore somehow has remained unchanged in this development context, since “pleasure” has being until nowadays a “reward response” to “sexual behavior,” and this in turn occurs as a way of “ensuring procreation and survival” of our specie. From my point of view “sexual pleasure,” constitutes “structurally” speaking “the subject,” due to the fact that its mind, “cannot-but-function” exclusively “for pleasure.” Meanwhile the latter in turn, “cannot-but-be solely” of “a sexual nature.” I sustain that “pleasure is structuring and structural,” because “it works thanks to a piece that does not have,” that is to say “to a lack.” And its “nature is sexual,” for the reason that throughout existence, searches “an object” with which intends to “symbolically copulate,” in order “to complete” by that way the structurally missing piece, which ultimately will “be felt as pleasant.” The last occurs, since at the moment that “crush arrives with the object,” an “illusion similar to infatuation” emerges and “fades away” afterwards, as a consequence that “it actually did happened,” though “it does not exists.” In consequence, what is reached “is a failed alliance,” that secondly derives into a “subjective feeling of emptiness,” which translates into a sensation of “butterflies flying in the stomach,” and that lastly allows me to refer to “pleasure.”
Jacobsen: Will this ontological reality ever be able to complete itself?
Sorenson: I think that if “ontological reality” were to be completed in a moment, “movement” would then be stopped, and “existence” of everything “will be ended” as consequence.
Jacobsen: Can we get past the “principle of non-contradictions”?
Sorenson: I believe “we can” but “we haven’t done it,” since “this principle” is linked to “formal logic,” that until now has ruled “science” and “philosophy.” In my opinion, there have been “failed attempts,” such as occurred with “Hegelian dialectic.” Indeed from my point of view, they have done nothing “but just to rest the same,” due to the fact that they aren’t capable to reach to get out of “a tripolar frame of reasoning,” currently based on “two premises engaged with a conclusive deduction” if is the case of traditional logic, and of a “thesis and antithesis linked to synthesis” if is dialectic thinking.
Jacobsen: If to be is to be perceived, or to be is to perceive, what does this mean for the act of perception of the “subject” existent between the ideal world and the natural dynamic object?
Sorenson: In my opinion, means that “reality is for the subject,” in the sense of being “what it is perceived,” and therefore “is partial” because of “its relativity and changing reflection” regarding natural world, which in turn consist of “images” regarding “real figures,” that “walk in front of fires light” as if they were representing “ideal models” of everything,
Jacobsen: In a transactional sense of “esse, est percipi,” does the being of one inform the being of another via the mutual act of perception?
Sorenson: I think that the “perceived being” informs the “perceptual subject,” nevertheless the latter “partially perceives” the first, and therefore “completes the rest,” based on its “own subjectivity,” regarding its “self and circumstances,” in order to ultimately “reach to form” what I will denominate as “hybrid gestaltic perception.”
Jacobsen: If individual consciousness is an ephemeral sense of the here-and-now, and to grasp itself, as in to turn the “esse, est percipi” upon the self, then it becomes an attempt to “see one’s own back,” which doesn’t work. It is an interesting framing because it appears to imply others are required, more than one operator is required, for a more verified self-existence to make sense and be confirmed in a more certain sense, as attempts on one’s own lead to evaporation of the self based on its “ephemeral” nature. Could there be such a case of a single brain split in consciousnesses able to perceive themselves (itself) in one body?
Sorenson: I believe it “should be possible,” as long as it is based on a “profoundly gifted brain.” The key for achieving it, is by expanding ourselves into other “higher dimensions of consciousness.” The restriction will outcome for “common brains,” since they can only reach “three dimensions,” that I will represent as “body, mind and soul.” The challenge is to first incorporate “the spirit,” in order to access a “fourth dimension,” and afterwards through a “superior self,” that would be a “portion of the total self,” to enter into a level of consciousness of “two or three dimensions higher” than what is known as “common consciousness dimension.”
Jacobsen: Are we really a unified consciousness or more of a committee coming to more or less singular aims at any given moment with only the apparency of the unity of mind?
Sorenson: At the level of “consciousness” in which we find ourselves, we have managed to recognize that in addition to “forming a group entity,” we are capable of being aware of our” individual entity,” but not to the point of having “crystallized individualization,” and therefore not to a level of “consciousness unity.”
Jacobsen: Can you expand on a “science” that ‘goes father’ “with capital letters”?
Sorenson: This science would be “less technocratic,” able to “unite all its branches integrally into only one,” capable of “overcoming the scientific method,” and empirically that “dispenses with inductive thought.”
Jacobsen: What is contemporary science “with lower case letters”? What is current philosophy “with lower case letters”?
Sorenson: In my opinion currently it is an increasingly “micro-cephalic,” “dissociated” and “superficial” science.
In regards to today’s philosophy, I feel it “is a den of ignorant doctorates” and “fancy professors” who “stubbornly” repeat a “moth-smelling speech.”
Jacobsen: What is absent in the shining of “reason commonsense”?
Sorenson: The “self-referential” supremacy of “basic dichotomous and involutive impulses.”
Jacobsen: What are some hints of this higher reality comprised of greater complexity in comprehension (all-at-once understanding)?
Sorenson: The fact that there may be “an intersection or simultaneous trans-position” between “different and co-existent realities,” where meanwhile “temporality runs in another direction,” “principle of non-contradiction is abolished,” and that of “sufficient reason” is replaced by one of “necessary reason.”
Jacobsen: Does this make umbers autonomous quanta of the ideal reality?
Sorenson: “Numbers” as “original forms” of the “ideal world” are “autonomous,” nevertheless as “descriptors of natural reality” are “not autonomous,” since although they “aren’t material” they are though “representations” of “ideal numbers,” to which we “don’t have any access,” but “that we could do,” if “complex realities” were able to be reached
Jacobsen: What would permit a tapping into the internal nature of a number itself?
Sorenson: More than “touching the internal nature of number” in itself, would be “to contemplate it” within “its ideal state,” since with that condition it could be found in “its very essence,” and therefore regarding “internal nature,” there “would be nothing within something.” The quickest and most direct “probable path” to achieve this, should be “through death.”
Jacobsen: Why is the ideal world spiritual? What is the meaning of spiritual in this sense?
Sorenson: “Spiritual” within all the “energy vibrations,” is a state “equivalent” to one that “was emanated” during a supposed “breath of creation,” and therefore by “achieving that equivalence,” we can “make the way back” to return towards the “emanating vessels.”
Jacobsen: To make a number in and of itself “brought down” to human comprehension, the use of mathematical and numeric symbolization limit the infinite nature of an ideal world number.
Sorenson: I think so, since “the numbers” as we know them, are in certain way “an embodiment” of them in an “ideal state,” and therefore they are “impoverished representations” of what they are “in reality.” However, on the other hand that “limited form,” is the “only way” we have so far “to access them.”
Jacobsen: What makes a model of ideal reality both ontologically and aesthetic (beautiful or satisfying in a non-carnal sense)?
Sorenson: “Harmony” and “perfection.”
Jacobsen: If intelligence is somewhat immaterial, does this provide a proper framework to seeing how this can reproduced algorithmically in silica? In that, it is about the pattern of information channeling the processing rather the material substrate or physical manifestation. It is about the form rather than substance upon which the form is represented in many, but not all, cases.
Sorenson: “Information processing” has to do “with both,” that is with “form and matter.” In the case of “human intelligence,” the “substance” would “have to do” with “the form,” since the former would refer to “its essential attributes.” Nevertheless, as it seems to me that the “question implicitly” aimed to know what happens to “artificial intelligence,” then it is necessary to specified that regarding this case, it would “be the other way around,” because “the matter as material substrate” is going to act as “substance,” in order to determine the “formal characteristics” which would channelled to “processing the information.”
Jacobsen: If an ideal reality represented by an infinity sign is in some sense a bottom, and if the numbers of this ideal reality rather than in the mathematical descriptors of this reality co-exist as an extended part of it, and if a property of aseity is implied by an autonomous existence, does this mean that time is a derivative rather than a fundamental of ideal reality? In that, time is in the shadow or image reality rather than the ideal reality and, therefore, the property of time comes out as a shadow of a reality of no time in which atemporality is an extended meaning of aseity or autonomous existence.
Sorenson: In my opinion, in the “ideal world” of “subsisting entities,” the “only form of temporality” that exists “is present,” which “is not strictly temporary,” and therefore “does exists” nevertheless “time does not,” since in this context “present is not being a delimited instance.” For this reason paradoxically, in “our reality “and perhaps in others of “greater complexity” where “temporality exists,” what we name strictly speaking “as present, does not really exists.”
Jacobsen: What is logic a delimitation or self-limitation of, in reality?
Sorenson: Both “are logical,” but have “different connotations,” since “self-limitation” can be due to “metaphysical” factors, that’s to say regarding “beings order” or in reason to “circumstantial” elements, or perhaps “the two of them,” while “delimitation” usually is “a subjective exercise,” in relation to “certain reality” which is “cut into parts,” and in that sense “its outlined figuratively or not.”
Jacobsen: If everything stopped bubbling means a stoppage of all motion, and if the classical world of the large-scale physics shows a dynamic but apparently solid universe, does this mean the universe is in some sense moving toward a state of ultimate staticization? A state of penultimate stoppage; if so, what differentiates the image reality or shadow reality if everything came to a stop and the ideal reality at that point? It would seem the universe moves, in some manner, to closer and closer approximations to some subset state of the ideal reality.
Sorenson: I consider that the “world of classical physics,” does not exhaustively represents “reality of the universe,” since among other things, has operated with “linear causality criteria,” and in fact also “current physics” continues to do so even though uses “other forms of causality.” I believe indeed that “movement exists” regarding “ours dimensional reality,” and in that context, what is described in this question, might effectively occur. Nevertheless, I am not sure that “movement does exists” in “other realities,” and therefore if hypothetically “doesn’t exists,” it would be plausible to affirm that perhaps “the universe” only “expands and compresses” within a “crooked circularity process” and in consequence it could be deducible to believe that is “indestructible.”
Jacobsen: What are other important qualitative differences one sees at the level of the profoundly gifted?
Sorenson: Besides the fact that they might reach “higher dimensions of conscience” and that they are “ultra-sensibles,” is the circumstance that “they never” will be individuals with “equilibrated intelligences,” since this last apart from being “a logical counter-sense,” is “a lack of respect” towards the “intelligence” of “geniuses,” because it is “a sneaky way” of approaching to “a magical realism” in order to “try to normalize” their personalities and “turn them off.”
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Independent Philosopher.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 8, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-six; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Consciousness, Ideal Reality, Mathematics, and Ontological Reality (Part Six) [Online].June 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-six.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, June 8). An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Consciousness, Ideal Reality, Mathematics, and Ontological Reality (Part Six). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-six.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Consciousness, Ideal Reality, Mathematics, and Ontological Reality (Part Six). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, June. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-six>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Consciousness, Ideal Reality, Mathematics, and Ontological Reality (Part Six).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-six.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Consciousness, Ideal Reality, Mathematics, and Ontological Reality (Part Six).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (June 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-six.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Consciousness, Ideal Reality, Mathematics, and Ontological Reality (Part Six)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-six>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Consciousness, Ideal Reality, Mathematics, and Ontological Reality (Part Six)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-six.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Consciousness, Ideal Reality, Mathematics, and Ontological Reality (Part Six).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):June. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-six>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Consciousness, Ideal Reality, Mathematics, and Ontological Reality (Part Six) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-six.
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Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
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Policy Proposal for Humanists International: The Problem of Witchcraft Allegations in Africa[1],[2]
On behalf of Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AfAW), I drafted, finalized, had approved by Dr. Leo Igwe, and sent a policy proposal for consideration by Humanists International’s CEO, Gary McLelland, and President, Andrew Copson. Dr. Leo Igwe and I have been working in founding and administrating a coordinated Africa-wide effort against witchcraft and abuse of alleged witchcraft practitioners. Dr. Igwe for much longer and with the most deserved credit in this regard, for length and depth of efforts. The initiative is called AfAW. Herein, we present a proposal for policy consideration, in spirit, for the World Humanist Congress 2020 for sponsorship by Humanists International. We believe this conforms to either or both stipulations of the “General Statement of Policy” for Humanists International, as follows:
- a stable policy platform that will express humanist perspectives on particular areas of public policy;
- statements responding to particular situations for issuing at particular times – e.g. as public statements to media or at international institutions;
In part or as a whole, we believe the statements below conform to these general statements of needing to ‘express a humanist perspective’ and ‘responding to a particular situation for issuing at a particular time’ with the post-colonial and modernizing contexts of the African region. Please find the statements below:
The Problem of Witchcraft Allegations in Africa
Practitioners and non-practitioners of minority supernaturalistic beliefs, i.e., witchcraft, found in Africa continue to endure severe societal abuse throughout the African region from majority religious believers seen in Christians and Muslims.
Humanists International notes the severely negative treatment of witches and alleged witches throughout African societies based on the presumption of ‘supernatural’ forces negatively impacting the interests and lives of the Christians and Muslims within African societies. Unfair treatment comes from government policies. Discrimination and prejudice come from the general religious public. The abuse emerges from an alleged witch’s own guardians or parents, and other authority figures. Human beings in a globalized world remain embedded in international systems governed by a naturalistic ethic, in principle, binding upon all regions, nations, people groups, and individuals, called human rights and international law. Insofar as these should govern institutional policies, these should inform human relations too. Policies adopted by governmental institutions should treat individual persons with equality under the law and due process. In Africa, fundamentalist religion scourges state and regional institutions while burdening individual minds. When scientific or empirical knowledge of the world does not inform the culture or the policies of state institutions, especially law, the consequences can be negative for select members of the society in predictable ways. Witchcraft remains a superstitious and ancient practice within African societies. The charge of witchcraft alongside the abuse of the accused become human rights violations.
We recognise:
- the abuse of alleged witches violates Article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states, “No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment”;
- Humanism affirms the “worth, dignity and autonomy of the individual,” human rights, social responsibility, and the need “for an alternative to dogmatic religion” and the “maximum possible fulfillment” of every human being, according to the Amsterdam Declaration (2002);
- the lack for an empirical basis for the claims of supernatural forces or allegations of witchcraft outside of cultural and social practices associated with African witchcraft;
- and the need to advocate for the rights of alleged witches to prevent the abuse of ordinary Africans from religious fundamentalism’s campaign of abuse against them.
We support:
- the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948);
- the Amsterdam Declaration (2002).
- organizations, including Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AfAW), working directly on these issues of advocating for the rights and dignity, and autonomy, of alleged witches in the African region to prevent further abuse against them.
Suggested academic reference
‘The Problem of Witchcraft Allegations in Africa’, Humanists International, General Assembly, Miami, United States, 2020
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, In-Sight Publishing.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/policy-proposal-for-humanists-international-the-problem-of-witchcraft-allegations-in-africa.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
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Title: African Freethinker
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2020-2030: Decade of Activism Against Witch Persecution in Africa[1],[2]
The Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AfAW) hereby announces a Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030. The main objective of this initiative is to create a witch hunting free Africa by sensitizing Africans on witch hunting and spearheading the advocacy for alleged witches in Africa within the next ten years.
To realize this objective, AfAW will engage in the following activities:
- Share latest news on witchcraft allegation/witch persecution
- Engage state and non state actors in the field of witchcraft accusation
- Intervene to protect alleged witches, and to educate the accusers
- Lobby local, national and regional and global institutions in tackling abuses that are linked to witch persecution and witch hunting
- Cooperate with institutions with similar aims and objectives
- Organize public education and enlightenment campaigns to reason people out of the misconceptions that drive witch persecution and other harmful traditional practices through trainings, workshops and seminars for various interest groups.
AfAW uses a secular, humanist, skeptical and human rights approach to examine witchcraft narratives and address related abuses. AfAW’s campaign is founded on the principles that:
· witchcraft is a myth and an imaginary crime which no one commits
· attributions of causing harm through occult means are based on hearsay and misinformation, panic and anxieties, fear and superstition
· witch persecution, killings and trials are forms of human rights abuses that should not be tolerated in the name of religion, culture or tradition.
I urge all Africans as well as non Africans including all Africans in the diaspora to join efforts with us to achieve this important objective. Contribute to our Decade of anti-witch hunting programs and activities.
Visit our web site: https://advocacyforallegedwitches.law.blog/.
Send us reports from your countries, communities and provinces.
Join our Facebook group: https://web.facebook.com/groups/760341817780783/. There is also a Whatsapp group that you can join. Otherwise email us at advocacyforallegedwitches@gmail.com; nskepticleo@yahoo.com
Become an advocate for alleged witch today. A witch hunting free Africa is achievable.
Leo Igwe is the chief executive officer of Advocacy for Alleged Witches and initiator of Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa.
*Original publication in African Global Village on January 10, 2020.*
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/2020-2030-decade-of-activism-against-witch-persecution-in-africa.
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Saving Innocent Lives: Witchcraft Allegations and Native Medicine in Edo State[1],[2]
Intervening in cases of witchcraft allegations and witch hunting is a moral duty. It is a social obligation that should be fulfilled. Victims of witchcraft allegations are usually defenceless, helpless vulnerable members of the population, children, elderly persons and people living with disabilities. Witch persecution takes various forms: torture, banishment and trial by ordeal. Witchcraft accusation is a form of death sentence. Witch hunters want to avenge the harm that the accused have supposedly done. If the accusers do not immediately kill the accused, they murder them at a later date. If they do not get the accused to quickly die, they make sure that they die slowly. Alleged witches have limited options.
On June 30, 2019, someone sent me this message via the Facebook drawing attention to the plight of an accused woman:
“Hello Sir, my name is Ben. I need you assistance for an Auntie at my maternal side called Idumoza-Irrua in Esan Central LGA of Edo State, being accused of witchcraft and whose fate is hanging on the balance for life/death decision tomorrow 1 July 2019. Kindly give your number to brief you and get support from you. Please help to save another innocent life”. I do not visit my Facebook messenger very often. I read the message on July 4. I contacted Ben, via the telephone number that he left on the message, and he confirmed the story. I have been discussing details of a new role as the campaigns director with a Non Governmental Organization, Witchcraft Human Rights Information Network. Due to limited funds, such interventions could not be done. So I was unable to travel to Edo state in July. I could not do much to respond to the urgent request. And my inability to do so haunted me.
Meanwhile, I never gave up exploring ways of intervening in this case. I continued to explore every opportunity to visit and support the woman. I wanted to use this accusation as a test case. I wanted to send a message of hope and solidarity to alleged witches and their families. I wanted to notify all witch hunters and their enablers that their days of operation are numbered. An opportunity came late in November. I was returning from the controversial ‘witchcraft’ conference in Nsukka and decided to stop over in Edo state to visit the accused. Meanwhile, in the past months I have tried to address issues related to my personal security.
Risks and Worries Over Safety
Intervening in cases of witchcraft allegations is associated with risks. A witch is perceived as the enemy of the society. And anyone who tries to save or support an alleged witch is equally seen as an enemy. People usually refrain from getting involved in witch hunting cases due to fear of being implicated and subsequently killed by the accusers. I was warned to stay away and not to make the trip to Idumoza. But I wanted this culture of impunity to end and for alleged witches to receive the support that they desperately needed. Ben gave me the contact of another relative who would guide me to the village. I called him and he said that Idumozza was a rural community that could easily be accessed with a moto bike, or Okada as popularly known in Nigeria. Some of the friends that I told that I would be visiting this village to try and save the life of the accused woman asked me: What if this was a set up? What if they overpowered and killed you there? There were so many questions regarding my personal safety and security. I had to reasonable replies or explanations. Risks and concerns over my safety did not perturb me more than the dangers that I believed that this alleged witch faced. I have always known that such missions would be associated with risks. The only thing in my mind was to do all I could to see this woman and be sure that she was safe.

Ben gave me another contact of a lecturer at Ambrose Alli University (AAU), Ekpoma. He said the lecturer hailed from a neighbouring community and could provide me some information on allegations of witchcraft and also some assistance. I called the lecturer and explained my mission. But he denied knowing anything about witchcraft accusations in the community. He is from a neighbouring village, Ozalla where some years ago over 20 suspected witches died after taking some concoctions. I rang up another university teacher in Abuja who used to lecture at AAU. I have known him for so many years. I asked him to link me up to someone who could accompany me to Irrua. He asked me the purpose of my mission. I told him that I was going there to intervene in a witch hunting case. He remarked: Hia! He said that he would get back to me. And he never did. After the attempts to get more people to support my mission failed, I decided to go it alone relying on the contact that Ben sent me. I bought a bottle of whiskey, which I planned to give to the head of the Idumoza community or the King (Onojie) of Irrua.
Planning a tripMy contact person, Austin, is in his 30s. He is an electrician. Calm and soft-spoken, Austin studied electrical engineering at the polytechnic. He asked me to alight at Uromi, not Ekpoma as I had intended. He said Uromi was nearer to the woman’s village. I checked into a hotel and waited for him. He came to see me about 7 pm. We discussed and firmed up our trip to Idumoza the following day. Austin advised that we go there in the evening because people used to go to the farm in the morning. He did not have the telephone contact of anyone. He noted that it was in the evening that we would likely see the woman. I was actually happy that the woman was able to go to the farm, at least he could ‘freely move around’.
Azen: The Esan Witch
I had nothing to do in the morning of the day that we were to visit Idumoza. I decided to go to the nearby market to converse with people and to understand the local notion of witchcraft. I went to a book shop and after purchasing an exercise book and a pen, I asked the sales boy what they call a witch in the area. He looked at me and smiled. He then looked in the direction of some elderly persons sitting beside the shop as if he was telling me: “Ask them”. I repeated the question looking at one man who was repairing a footwear. The man was also slow to answering my question. Another man in his company, who retired from the military said: It is Azen. I repeated it several times to make sure that I correctly got the pronunciation . According to him, these are people who fly like birds at night; they beat and press people while they are sleeping. He recounted a personal experience where witches attacked him. He claimed that witches hit him on the arm at night and he had pains for a long time. The man later went to an Oboh (native doctor) who gave him something that he applied on that part of the body and also something that he tied and placed in his house. And since he did that, the man said, the witches had not come again. I inquired to know the Oboh that gave him the anti witchcraft medicine. He said the doctor was based in Uzea, a distant rural community. I told a motorcyclist to take me to Uzea but he said it was far from Uromi. I wanted to know how native doctors in the area detected and treated witchcraft. The motorcyclist said we should visit native doctors that were within Uromi town. I agreed and we took off.

Consulting an Oboh (Native Doctor)
We moved about 500 meters and left the tarred road, and started driving on a dusty footpath. I was wondering why the native doctors seldom live and operate in decent areas and estate. The motorcyclist suddenly stopped beside a haggard looking man who was coming in the opposite direction. The man spoke threateningly in the local esan language to the motorcyclist as if they were quarreling. As if he was saying “I don’t want to see you in my place again!”. I kept quiet. The motorcyclist did not say anything. He quietly turned back. We drove a few meters and I asked him what was wrong. And he said: “That was the man we wanted to see”. “We had some misunderstanding sometime ago, I thought he had forgotten but he’s still bearing grudges”. What was the misunderstanding about? I inquired. The motorcyclist hissed as if he was experiencing some emotional pain. I asked him to take me to a nearby restaurant. I offered him a bottle of beer and asked him to tell me what transpired between him and the Oboh. He said that it was a misunderstanding in connection with some medicine he asked the man to prepare when he was traveling to Europe. The native doctor asked him to pay 30,000 naira for the medicine that will enable him prosper in foreign lands. Unfortunately he could not afford the money. He travelled without the medicine, went up to Senegal and from there he was repatriated. He recounted the story sighing and hissing intermittently.
After narrating his experience, the motorcyclist asked if I was interested in visiting another native doctor, and I said: Yes. I told him that I wanted to find out how native doctors in Uromi detected and treated witchcraft. He suggested that the best way was to tell the native doctor that I wanted to examine my life. I agreed.
We eventually arrived at the home of a native doctor after traveling down another potholed, dusty road. It was a two-room apartment. In front of the house was a carved piece with some red and white cloth, some needles and sprinkled blood that had turned black due to the heat from the sun. As soon as we arrived I heard some noise at the backyard. The motorcyclist said that the Oboh was busy attending to someone. As we were waiting for somebody to come and direct us on what to do I peered into one of the rooms and it was filled with all sorts of things, white and red cloth, black and white stones, pieces of metals, bones and sticks etc. A young man in his late 30 came from the backyard and told us to follow him. We sat briefly under the shade where he welcomed us. I was later ushered into a room where the native doctor, another young man in his late thirties was sitting on the floor. He asked me to pay 1000 naira for consultation. I hesitated and waned to pay less but he refused. And I paid. He gave me a black stone and asked me to speak to it, to say my name and my mission. I said that my name was Idris and I had come to examine my life. I used to lie whenever I visited shrine priests and native doctors. I wanted to know if they could use their powers to detect that I was lying but they never did. I told the Oboh that my parents were dead, that all my uncles had passed on. I told him that I had a girl child from a former marriage. All these were lies.The Oboh looked into the divinational bowel containing pieces of metal, coins and stones with silver and black colours. He looked at them as if he was communicating with them. Occasionally, after I made a statement, he would say, that is what the gods are saying.
The Oboh told me that night people were meeting under the banana tree behind my family house and advised me to give them their food to avert further misfortune and calamities. I expressed surprise that the night people were convening behind my family house. And the Oboh laughed. He said that they were not meeting there physically but spiritually. I inquired the type of food that the night people wanted. And he said I should bring a goat, white cloth, a small basket, cassava fufu, cocked rice and stew.
The Oboh told me that the mother of my daughter was a witch and that he would give me special Ukhumu (medicine) that I would use to neutralize her witchcraft. But the Oboh advised me to do ‘the pot of life’. He said the pot of life will open doors to better business and protect me from all dangers. His assistant showed me two other pots of life that they prepared for some people. The Oboh said that the pot of life would cost 150,000 naira (400 dollars). I told the Oboh that I needed to go home and look for the money to procure the pot of life. But before I left I was able to capture a photo of the carved item at the compound and another photo of a section of the consulting room. My motorcyclist asked me to wait outside while he chatted with the Oboh. I thought it was a discussion to get the Oboh to give him some money from the consultation fee that i paid.
Ride to Idumoza
I agreed with Austin that we would leave for Idumoza by 3.30pm. But he arrived my hotel 20 minutes to 5pm. At a point I thought that the visit would not hold. We hired a motorbike and the driver agreed to wait for us and bring us back to Uromi. The trip took us from one local government to another. Idumoza is in Esan Central and Uromi is in Esan North East. We arrived Idumoza by 5.30pm after traveling through some remote communities and forest like areas with very tall trees. Erosion has destroyed the road that leads to the village. It was a very rough ride. A motobike was the best means of accessing Idumoza. It would have been a huge mistake if we had hired a taxi. After making some inquiries we arrived at the family house of the accused woman. In her 70s, the woman was sitting on a white plastic chair. There were three other women in the compound. Austin spoke briefly in the local language explaining our mission and the woman said nodding: “Yes I am the one”. I was relieved. The accused woman looked relaxed and warmed up to us immediately. She recounted how she was accused on two occasions, taken to the elders, then to the Onojie and the Obor for confirmation. She said that she had not faced any threat to her life since then, and in fact that her life had returned to normal. She had started exchanging greetings with some of her accusers. I was relieved. My guide, Austin, advised that we refrain from taking any further actions that would reignite the problem. I did not visit the head of the community or the palace of the Onojie. We gave the family members the number to call in case anyone threatened her. It was getting dark and we had a long way to go. We took some photos with the accused woman and left for Uromi. I hope to visit her again as soon as I can. At the moment, I will be in contact with Austin and Ben to ensure that no harm befalls this innocent woman.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/saving-innocent-lives-witchcraft-allegations-and-native-medicine-in-edo-state.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 740
Keywords: Advocacy for Alleged Witches, AfAW, arrest, Cross River State, General Iron, Leo Igwe, Thomas Obi Tawo.
AFAW Condemns Witch Burning In Cross River State, Calls for Arrest and Prosecution of Thomas Obi Tawo (AKA General Iron)[1],[2]
The attention of AFAW has been drawn to an incident of witch persecution in Cross River State. In this case, a local mob lynched the alleged witches. Some of the victims have died while others are in the hospital nursing their wounds. The unfortunate incident took place in Boki LGA in Central Cross River State. At least a dozen persons, mostly women who were alleged to be witches and wizards were set ablaze at the instance of an adviser to the state governor who hails from that area. This adviser has been identified as Thomas Obi Tawo (aka General Iron). This incident happened on Tuesday May 19. A report in a local newspaper says that three chiefs were among those who were lynched. General Iron warned the police in the area to stay away. A local source said that Tawo went around the community with some boys. One of them had a mirror which he used to identify those who were witches.
Some traditional priests claim they can look into the occult world using a mirror to find answers and solutions to individual and community problems. People invite these supposedly spiritually powerful persons to point out witches and wizards and other evil persons in their families. They usually place the mirror in front of any suspect or ask the person to look into it as they try to certify if the person is evil or not. These charlatans are hired and paid huge sums of money to come and identify witches and wizards.
In response to the incident, I called the Police Public Relations Officer (PPRO) in Calabar but she did not pick the call. It was almost midnight. I decided to wait until morning. The following day, I called the AIG, CP, and PPRO several times but they did not pick the call. I eventually got through to the PPRO and informed her about the incident. She decried the issue of witch burning in the state. According to her, the challenge was how to eradicate witch persecution and wondered if AFAW could be of help. I told her that AFAW could help but it would need the police to guarantee security. I made it clear that in a situation like that of the Boki LGA, the organization could not fulfill its objective of educating and enlightening witchcraft accusers and believers, and supporting the victims without the cooperation of the police. Interestedly, the PPRO told me that in her place in Edo state, people suspected of witchcraft were taken to the community leaders. And the community leaders would give the suspects something to drink. That she could not understand a situation as in the Boki LGA where suspected witches were set ablaze.
I told her that the practice of giving suspected witches some concoction to drink was illegal and should be abolished. The said concoctions are usually toxic substances that lead to health damage or death. The PPRO later said that they were waiting to be briefed by the divisional police officer in the area, that all those who were implicated in the murder of the alleged witches would be brought to book. I promised to call back for some updates. The police had made such a promise like this in the past and at the end of the day, they did nothing. Some years ago, some hoodlums set ablaze two alleged witches in Akpabuyo also in Cross River and when I contacted the police, the then PPRO said that the police would bring all perpetrators to justice. Later I was informed that the police arrested some suspects but released them after a while. That was the end of the matter. If the pressure is not brought on the government and the police, the perpetrators in this case would go scot-free especially in a situation where an aide to the governor of the state is the lead perpetrator.
Through an associate of AFAW in Cross River I contacted a relative of one of the victims. She confirmed that the incident took place on Tuesday May 19 by 2 pm. She noted that before this day, there had been tension in the community due to suspicions of witchcraft. General Iron has been suspecting some family members of trying to kill him through occult means. In fact on one occasion, last year, Tawo slapped and wounded his uncle, Chief Kekong. He claimed that he saw the Chief in his dream. Weeks before this latest incident, Thomas claimed once again that he dreamt and saw Chief Kekong and his mother in his dream. He claimed that he went to a man of God who confirmed that Kekong wanted to kill him. That the chief wanted to take over the land that he had sold to him. Chief Kekong denied the allegation. The matter was presented at a community meeting and it was agreed that they would go somewhere to consult and cross-check. But General Iron refused and insisted he would not go anywhere. On this fateful day he arrived with about ten young persons. One of them reportedly had a mirror and used it to identify the witches and wizards in the community.
A relative to one of the victims told me that the father was sleeping the time Tawo and his thugs arrived at the compound. He went inside the house and dragged the father out, poured fuel on him, and set him ablaze. He did the same thing to other suspected witches and wizards including his mother. The situation in the community is tensed. It is not yet confirmed the exact number of persons who were set ablaze following this witch-hunting incident. One of the national dailies reported at least 12 people. A relative of the survivors said there were over 13 victims. Another local contact said victims could be up to 20 persons.
Some of the survivors including General Iron’s mother are currently at various hospitals in the region receiving treatment. The police in the area did not intervene while this attack was going one. One of those who were set ablaze Chief Bernard, was taken to a hospital but he later died as a result of the wounds. Another survivor, Chief Kekong is at another hospital battling for his life. A relative said the fire affected his private organ and he is now unable to urinate. AFAW is discussing with local partners and exploring ways to support survivors of this violent campaign.AFAW strongly condemns the lynching of alleged witches and wizards in Cross River and urges the state government to take measures to stop these heinous criminal activities. Allegations of witchcraft including persecution and killing of children are widespread in this region. Witch hunters operate in the area with impunity. And culture of impunity must end for justice to prevail in the state.
AFAW:
Calls on the Inspector General of Police and the governor of Cross River State, Prof. Benedict Ayade to arrest and prosecute Thomas Obi Tawo (aka General Iron), special adviser to Gov Ayade on Forest Security and all who were involved in this witch-hunting activity in Boki LGA
Requests the police to enforce the law against witchcraft accusation, the perpetration jungle justice and trial by ordeal in the state
Urges the police to ensure the security of life and property of the people in Boki community
Appeals to the government to expose and sanction all witch hunting pastors and traditionalists in the state
Urges the government to defray the cost of medical treatment for all victims of this mindless violence
Asks the government to compensate victims and families of victims/survivors for their losses.
AFAW reminds the government that it is their primary responsibility to protect the lives and property of citizens in the country.
Leo Igwe Ph.D
CEO, AFAW
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/afaw-condemns-witch-burning-in-cross-river-state-calls-for-arrest-and-prosecution-of-thomas-obi-tawo-aka-general-iron.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,302
Keywords: Advocacy for Alleged Witches, AfAW, destiny, Leo Igwe, Nigeria, stealing.
AFAW Rescues Man Accused of ‘Stealing’ Destinies of People in Nigeria[1],[2]
On May 5, an associate of the Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AFAW) drew attention to the case of a man who was accused of ‘holding’ the destinies of people in the community, Ugbelle. Ugbelle is in Ideato South (not Ideato North as earlier reported) in Orlu, Imo state. The man was alleged to have engaged in some occult activities that had hampered the progress and development of people in the community. A photo that was circulating on social media showed an elderly man, probably in his seventies surrounded by a charging mob. At this period of a lockdown and uncertainties over the coronavirus pandemic, such allegations are expected and are usually ways that people make sense of their stressful living conditions and existential anxieties. AFAW highlights misinformation regarding the management of the pandemic and other diseases.
I called the Commissioner of Police (CP) and the Police Public Relations Officer (PPRO) in Owerri, the state capital, to notify them about the incident. The CP did not pick the call but the PPRO did. He promised to pass the information on to the Divisional Police Officer in the area for necessary actions. I later contacted an associate of AFAW, Barr. Chimah, who is a lawyer in Owerri to advise on petitioning the CP. But he noted that for a petition to be effective, the names of the man and those who assaulted him were needed. These pieces of information were not available at that point. I contacted one Chidimma Greenpop, the lady from whose page the photo was forwarded to me, to know if she could get me more details. She promised to get some information on the matter but I never heard from her. After a couple of days. I tried reaching out to NGOs in Owerri without success.
There is a ban on interstate travel due to coronavirus. So getting a contact person in Owerri or Orlu, or Ideato would help understand the case of the man and the necessary interventions.

After efforts to reach local NGOs or activists yielded no useful result, I contacted a former colleague who is a catholic priest, Fr Cosmos Udogu. I messaged him via Facebook and he responded. I explained the situation to him and he gave me the contact of a priest at Ugbelle, Fr Kingsley Emejuru. For a while I was worried and hoped that Fr Emejuru was not the charismatic, holy-ghost-fire type and that his activities were not connected with the ordeal of the man. I called Fr Emejuru and he confirmed the incident. He agreed to assist in tracking down the man. He assured me that the alleged ‘destiny thief’ was alive; that they did not kill him. I was relieved to hear this. He promised to reach the Chief (Eze) of the Ugbelle community for more information on the whereabouts of the man, his relatives, and revert.
The next day, I rang up Fr Emejuru and he said that he had some information about the man. He informed me that the man’s name was Mr. Tobias Nlebedum. He is from Umuonyiri in Ugbelle community in Ideato South, (not Ideato North as reported on Facebook). The man has two daughters. One teaches at a secondary school in Ugbelle. He told me that the man was banished from the Ugbelle community because of the atrocities they claimed that he committed. The man fled to the neighbor village, Ogboko (the village of the former governor of Imo state and now a senator representing Orlu zone, Rochas Okorocha). I asked him to connect me to the daughter or to a rationally minded (he chuckled when I said this) and responsible relative whom I could work with to help support Mr. Nlebedum.
The priest sent me the telephone number of the daughter the following day. I spoke with the daughter and she confirmed that some angry youths brought the father to the village square, removed his clothes, and beat him up. She said that people in the community suspected that the father engaged in bad medicine or sorcery. She said that the father denied the allegations. But the villagers banished him. They burnt all his personal belongings.
She told me that the father used to come to her place (her maternal home) to collect some food; that she could not accommodate him. If she tried doing that the community members would banish her too. According to her, the parents’ marriage was short-lived. The mother separated from her father when she was very young. The mother returned to live with her family in Mgbee. She lived there until she died on August 26 1999. The daughter said that her father lived for so many years in Nsukka where he worked as a farmer. And returned to his native village a few years ago. He has lived there until he was accused and banished.
We identified four areas of support for the father- accommodation, feeding, clothing, and medical care. She said that the father was living near a local dispensary where he was receiving treatment for the injuries that he sustained when he was mobbed. The mob hit him with sticks and machetes. He had injuries at the back, on the legs and the head. The daughter suggested that the father be transferred to another village (name withheld) for safety reasons. The local dispensary was not very far from Ugbelle. The daughter noted that if rumors of the allegations against him reached this community, people would drive him and the local dispenser out of the community.
AFAW took care of the medical bills of Mr. Nlebedum and facilitated his relocation to a safer place. AFAW will be supporting Mr. Nlebedum in the coming months as he recovers and gets over the trauma of the mob action. I would like to Frs Udogu and Emejuru for the help in getting in touch with the victim and the Humanists International for supporting AFAW’s education and intervention programs.
As soon as the ban on interstate transportation is lifted, AFAW associates will visit the Ugbelle community to meet with the Eze, the priest, and other members to discuss the allegations of holding destinies and related beliefs. AFAW will raise the issue of the banishment of Mr. Nlebedum and explore the chances of his returning to the community soon. AFAW will also use the opportunity to stress the fact that the idea of holding or seizing people’s destinies is a form of superstition that has no basis in reason, science, or in reality. AFAW plans to maintain contact with Mr. Nlebedum and his Ugbelle community members to ensure that what happened to him does not occur again in the community.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/afaw-rescues-man-accused-of-stealing-destinies-of-people-in-nigeria.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 519
Keywords: Advocacy for Alleged Witches, AfAW, church, faith, faith healing, Leo Igwe, Zambia.
AFAW Commends Authorities for Closing Down Faith Healing Church in Zambia[1],[2]
AFAW has commended the Mayor of Ndola, Amon Chisenga and police authorities in Zambia for closing down Restoration Apostolic Pentecostal Church International. Apart from violating the COVID19 guidelines, Chisenga, some members of the city council and police officers noticed that Prophet James Nwale, also known as Yakobo Yakobo was using the church as a faith clinic. They found sick church members admitted and living side by side with domestic animals. It is important to stress that churches are not hospitals. And pastors who are using their church as healing centers are breaking the law. Churches and have not been established to manage health issues. Faith healing is a form of medical quackery that puts the life and health of many people at risks. Authorities in Zambia should sanction Prophet Nwale and other men and women of god who engage in this unsound medical practice.
Here is a copy of the letter:
The Inspector General
Zambia Police
Dear Sir,
I am writing on behalf of the Advocacy for Alleged Witches(AFAW) to commend the Zambian Police for working with the Mayor of Ndola to close down the Restoration Apostolic Pentecostal Church International. The church reportedly violated the COVID19 guidelines. But there was more to the illegalities in this church than violating the COVID19 guidelines. The police action led to the arrest of Pastor James Nwale (aka) Yakobo Yakobo and rescue of some sick church members from the premises. These sick members were living side by side with domestic animals. The police should remain vigilant and continue to monitor the activities of pastors, prophets and other clerics especially those who abuse their positions by using their churches and places of worship as faith clinics.
Churches are not hospitals and pastors like Prophet James Nwale who practice faith healing should be brought to book.
Thanks for all that you are doing to maintain law and order in Zambia
Sincerely
Leo Igwe Ph.D. CEO, AFAW
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/afaw-commends-authorities-for-closing-down-faith-healing-church-in-zambia.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020
Issue Publication Date: TBD
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 718
Keywords: Advocacy for Alleged Witches, AfAW, destiny, Leo Igwe, thieves.
Persecution of ‘Destiny-Thieves’ Must Stop[1],[2]
The Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AFAW) condemns in very strong terms the torture and maltreatment of an elderly man for stealing the destinies of people in Imo state. In a photo that has been circulating on social media, an elderly man could be seen sitting on the ground and pleading for his life. He was surrounded by a lynch mob. Some angry youths could be seen holding palm leaves, the type that is used for rituals, or to magically subdue or kill suspected occult individuals. Overwhelming economic difficulties, poverty, and lack of jobs have made some people think that their destinies have been stolen by others.
Alleged destiny-thieves are usually elderly men and women. The belief is that these adjudged evil persons in the communities throw the destinies of people into the forests, into rivers or oceans. Some are of the view that they tie the talents of individuals to trees making it impossible for young people to make progress in their lives. Christian evangelists fuel these narratives. They use these suppositions to make sense of lack of progress and existential uncertainties in the communities. Against the backdrop of hardships and severe economic difficulties occasioned by the coronavirus pandemic, Christian pastors and other religious experts are marketing narratives and instigate the hunts for those who have stolen or are withholding others’ destinies.
AFAW is of the position that people, young or elderly, cannot magically steal, seize, or withhold the destinies of others because there is no evidence for such actions. Pastors or religious persons who make such imputations are charlatans and con artists and should be arrested and prosecuted for inciting violence in communities. Persecution of persons for magically stealing destinies is a form of horrific absurdity and a gross violation of human rights. Those who perpetrate these abuses should be brought to book.
AFAW calls on the government of Imo state to confirm the identity and eventual fate of the man (in the photo) accused of stealing the destiny of others. The government should investigate this case of persecution of a destiny-thief and ensure that the perpetrators are brought to justice.
AFAW urges the government to call to order pastors, evangelists, prophets, and other peddlers of the superstitious and religious mumbo jumbo. The government should take measures to stop these witch/demon hunters from spreading these narratives that incite hatred and violence in communities.
AFAW appeals to both governmental and non-governmental organizations to put in place public education campaigns that dispel occult fears and enlighten the people. The education campaign should include getting people to understand that nobody can magically destroy the destiny of others; that such beliefs are superstitions and not based on facts or reality. The imputation that people can magically steal or withhold others’ destinies is mistaken, baseless, and irrational. Accusations of magically stealing or destroying people’s destinies must stop. Persecution of alleged destiny-thieves is criminal and must end in Imo state and Nigeria
Leo Igwe directs AFAW. AFAW is NOT a witches’ group but an advocacy campaign against witch and demon hunts in communities. Please notify AFAW of any actual or imminent case of witch/demon hunts in your community. Call or text: +2349039908664. Email advocacyforallegedwitches@gmail.com
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/persecution-of-destiny-thieves-must-stop.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020
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Keywords: Advocacy for Alleged Witches, AfAW, Africa, Leo Igwe, Malawi, property, witches.
Malawi Must Protect Lives and Property of Alleged Witches[1],[2]
This is the first activity report of the Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AfAW). The report is being issued at a time that the world is grappling with the coronavirus pandemic. Covid-19 is a health condition that could trigger witchcraft allegations in communities. First, it is important to explain what informed the founding of AFAW and how its message has been received in the first three months of 2020
AFAW was launched in January in response to pervasive cases of witch persecution and related abuses in Africa. AFAW’s main goal is to supply the missing link in the activism and campaign for the eradication of witch-hunting in Africa. However, the mission faces so many challenges. First of all, African witchcraft has largely been misrepresented in the West and in the world. And many institutions have bought into this misrepresentation. Many western NGOs have cashed in on the misconceptions and are using exoticizing and patronizing campaign approaches that tend to perpetuate and not resolve the problem of witch persecution. Witchcraft has largely been presented as a mechanism that helps African societies to function, as a socially stabilizing force. This mistaken anthropological position, which is dominant in ‘scientific’ and popular western literature, has hurt the advocacy for alleged witches in the region. This misrepresentation has led to a lackluster campaign by the UN agencies and Western NGOs who fund campaigns to eradicate child and adult witch accusations in the region. This approach must change because it’s been largely unproductive and ineffective. The mistaken idea about witchcraft in Africa must be abandoned if we must see an end to witch persecution in Africa as envisioned by AFAW.
So witch persecution in Africa has not been given the attention that it deserves. It has not been addressed with the sense of urgency that the issue demands. The lives of alleged witches in Africa have been treated as if they are inconsequential. For some reason, witchcraft imputation in Africa has been treated like a domesticated useful facility, not a wild and destructive phenomenon that wreaks havoc in the lives of people across the region. Thus the campaign against witch persecution in Africa has been dominated and driven by agencies, organizations, and activists that have refused to call witchcraft belief by its name: myth or superstition. In some cases, there are organizations that have re-missionization agenda and are more interested in using witch persecution in Africa as a medium for re-evangelization than ending this vicious phenomenon. In other cases, there are organizations that have, in trying to avoid being labeled racist or neocolonialist, resolved not to designate witch persecution as an irrational superstitious practice that Africans should abandon.
However, COVID-19 has provided a great lesson in global campaigns and activism. As in the COVID-19 pandemic, a campaign against witch persecution must be based on fact and science, not on fiction and superstition. Evidence-based propositions are and should be the guiding principles. So in situations where religious beliefs or practices pose a threat or undermine the advocacy against witch persecution, such practices must be called out and be critically examined, whether they be traditional, Christian, Islamic or Bahai. In situations where religious actors are linked to the persecution of witches, such religious actors must be excoriated. Refusing to do so is a betrayal of the cause and campaign against witch persecution.
Now some activists and organizations do not want to openly and publicly take on the negative role of religion in witch persecution in Africa because they do not want to be perceived as atheists or disbelievers in God. They do not want to make statements that imply skepticism such as stating that witches do not exist as believed by the people. They are of the view that such statements will alienate
Africans and their Christian partners in the campaign. Look, regarding the COVID-19, WHO has issued guidelines, not based on what aligns with the cultures and religions but what would help contain the virus. What actually alienates people is being dishonest or ambiguous about one’s position on the existence and non-existence of witches and by implication other magical entities. Stating that witchcraft is superstition is based on fact, not fiction, and is the most effective way to end witch persecution in the region.
Again it takes being critical or better entertaining some disbelief to campaign against witch persecution in Africa even if one is a Christian evangelist or theologian who does not believe in the African witch. Thus in this campaign, disbelief or critical thinking is an asset, not a liability. And pretending to believe or lying about one’s position on the existence or non-existence of witches as believed by Africans sends a wrong signal about the intention and mission of an activist or an organization, and attracts people of similar interests to the campaign.
Furthermore, many western NGOs and activists have refrained from criticizing harmful traditional, cultural and religious practices such as witch persecution, witch hunting or witch trial because they do not want to offend the cultural sensibilities of Africans. They regard this as a gesture of respect for the African culture and religion. It is not. In fact, these NGOs withhold funding or threaten to severe funding for African counterparts that do not comply. Religious, cultural practices that harm other human beings do not deserve respect. They should be critically analyzed and abolished. A critical examination of harmful beliefs and practices is an intellectual duty to Africa and the world.
It is important to make it clear that AFAW is not an anti religious initiative. Advocacy for Alleged Witches is not a campaign that is out to abolish religion, or to get people not to believe in God.
There are religious persons who are contacts of AFAW in some countries. Wherever religion is part of the problem, it will be noted and addressed. And wherever it is a resource it will be tapped into to realize a witch hunting free Africa. AFAW seeks to work and partner with religious individuals and faith-based organizations that are committed to eradicating this dark and destructive phenomenon. AFAW exists to provide a robust response to witch persecution in Africa and to realize a critical mass of African advocates for alleged child and adult witches by 2030.
Here are a few examples of key achievements of AFAW in the past three months.
AFAW released a decade of activism declaration and the document has been translated into so many languages including English, French, Swahili, Hausa, Igbo, Yoruba, etc The document outlines the vision and objective of AFAW emphasizing AFAW’s humanist, skeptical and critical thinking approach to tackling witch persecution.

Media visits and interviews
Advocates visited many media agencies in Lagos, Oyo, Edo, Rivers and Akwa Ibom states to inform them about the mission and vision of AFAW. The visits featured face to face meetings and exchanges with journalists and reporters, and sometimes debates on the existence and non existence of witches. Some of the journalists were of the view that, while children could not be witches, adults could be. The media establishment constitutes a critical platform for the education and enlightenment of the public. Media agencies often publish news and commentaries that reinforce witchcraft beliefs and magical thinking. It is pertinent that AFAW partners with print and electronic media organisations in dispelling and weakening mistaken ideas that inform witchcraft imputation and witch hunting. Incidentally, AFAW’s goal will not materialize if AFAW must pay for all media appearances and publications. This is because some of the media stations insisted on being paid before they could publish or broadcast anything on the advocacy against witch persecution. Reports on witchcraft beliefs and accusations are published at no costs. Media agencies that put a price on disseminating information that educate and enlighten the people are indirectly hampering efforts to eradicate witch persecution in the region. In the past three months, local and international media organisations such as the BBC, The Punch, National Light contacted AFAW for interviews, others have published opinions and reports on AFAW’s campaign and activities.

Child orphanages/shelters for child witch victims
In March, I visited child orphanage homes and shelters for victims of child witchcraft allegations in Akwa Ibom and Cross River states. I visited the child orphanage center at Eket. A Christian religious organization, The Way to the Nations, manages this home. This orphanage has 34 children and most of them are male. In fact of the children at the shelter is looking after a girl-child victim of witchcraft accusation that I rescued in 2011. She is now in a secondary school. I also visited the African Children Aid and Development Foundation where I met Hope, the child witch victim which a Danish woman rescued in 2016. I was also at the orphanage home that the state ministry of social welfare established in Uyo and later visited the emergency shelter that the Basic Rights Counsel Initiative has set up in Calabar. In all these places I saw first hand the laudable work that those who are managing these homes were doing. At the same time, I noted a looming crisis. The resources at these centers are overstretched. The managers noted that they continued to get calls to rescue child witch victims. These centers, except the state orphanage, rely on donations from well meaning individuals but the donations they receive can no longer match their care duties and responsibilities. In fact at one of the homes, one of the care givers said that they might soon start rejecting child witch victims. In fact, without sustained support, these homes would soon run out of resources and would be unable to meet up with their duties and responsibilities to the children.
Campus Programs
AFAW has a campus program which aims to rally students against witch persecution and killing. The campus initiative became necessary after Christian students protested the organization of an academic conference on witchcraft at the university of Nigeria Nsukka last year. Two events on “Who is afraid of witchcraft?” have been organized at the Universities of Ibadan and Nsukka in February and March respectively. There have been request to organize the event in other campuses before the outbreak of the pandemic. To realize a witch hunting free Africa tomorrow, we must invest in the students of today.
Contact with Police
The police are often invited to intervene, investigate and prosecute cases that are related to witchcraft. It is important for AFAW to forge an effective alliance with the police establishment. I visited the Lagos State Police Command in Ikeja to follow up on the case of a girl who was burnt after being accused of witchcraft. AFAW is also in contact with the lawyer who is handling the case of two child witch victims in Plateau state. AFAW also contacted the Malawi police authorities following reports of attacks on suspected witches across the country. The Malawi Police promised to investigate the incidents.
African Network
AFAW aims to realize a critical mass of advocates in all African countries. So AFAW is growing a network of activists and contact organisations that advocate against witch persecution and other superstition based abuses in other African countries. In the past three months, AFAW has contacts in Nigeria where I operate from, Ghana, Kenya, Tanzania, Malawi, South Africa, Zambia, Sierra Leone, and Zimbabwe.

Outbreak of Covid-19
The pandemic presents a challenge as well as an opportunity. As a challenge, the pandemic would cause restriction of movements and congregation. So aspects of the project such as the awareness campaigns/town hall meetings will wait until the situation is under control. But other aspects of the project such as providing leadership and liasing with relevant stakeholders in addressing panic, anxieties and misinformation about the pandemic would go on. The pandemic presents an opportunity for AFAW to help prevent allegations of witchcraft. Witchcraft allegations are often ways people make sense of uncertainties and anxieties over terminal and incurable diseases. Thus the pandemic presents an opportunity to correct misinformation about the cause and spread of the coronavirus especially attributions of the pandemic to occult, magical or witchcraft forces.
Support AFAW
Since the founding of AFAW, we have received reports of witch persecution and witch hunting in Nigeria, Zambia, Zimbabwe, and Malawi. AFAW needs your support to remain active and to fulfill its aims and objectives. You can choose to engage aspects of AFAW’s mission especially in documenting cases of witch persecution across region and lobbying relevant local regional and international actors. You can also decide to support the advocacy campaign in a particular country or region. AFAW seeks institutional support and fellowships with universities and institutes to help compile reports, research and document cases of witch persecution. AFAW needs financial support to facilitate interventions, rescue and rehabilitation of victims of witchcraft allegations. AFAW seeks sponsorships for its public education and enlightenment programs, and support the growing network of advocates across the region. Individuals and organisations that are interested in supporting and collaborating with AFAW should contact us at advocacyforallegedwitches@gmail.com Tel +2349039908664.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/lives-of-alleged-witches-in-africa-matter-a-report.
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Author: Dr. Leo Igwe
Numbering: Issue 1.B, Idea: African Freethinking
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: African Freethinker
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020
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Words: 508
Keywords: Advocacy for Alleged Witches, AfAW, Leo Igwe, Malawi, persecution, witches.
Malawi Must Protect Lives and Property of Alleged Witches[1],[2]
The Advocacy for Alleged Witches (AfAW) condemns the destruction of houses and property of alleged witches in remote areas in Malawi. News from the country side says that some witch hunting villagers raided some communities today. According to local sources, an irate mob has demolished at least six apartments and other belongings of persons who have been suspected of witchcraft. Photos from a tweet show images of houses that the rampaging mob had pulled down. There have been no reported loss of lives. The fate of those who have been displaced by this mob violence is unknown. Some of them are likely to end up living and dying on the streets. In the past three months, there have been reported cases of witch persecution and killing in districts across Malawi. In a particular case, villagers stoned an alleged witch to death at a local funeral. The alleged witch was accused of killing the relative though occult means. Such mindless killings and destructions are demonstrations of failure and inability of the government of Malawi its to protect citizens.
The authorities in Malawi must rise up to the challenge of guaranteeing the security of lives and property of alleged witches. Alleged witches are human beings, not criminals. Their rights are human rights. Perpetrators of arson, assault and violence against suspected witches should be brought to justice. The government of Malawi must put in place proactive measures to stop and contain witch persecution and killing including mechanisms that can enable the police to preempt, prevent and nip in the bud mob violence against suspected witches. AfAW urges the authorities in Malawi to commence the process of educating and enlightenment the public. The government should get all Malawians to know that witchcraft is a form of superstition, that has no basis in reason, science or in reality. Witchcraft is a myth, an imaginary crime which no one commits.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 3, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/malawi-must-protect-lives-and-property-of-alleged-witches.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
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Words: 9,903
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Christian is a Philosopher that comes from Belgium. What identifies him the most and above all is simplicity, for everything is better with “vanilla flavour.” Perhaps, for this reason, his intellectual passion is criticism and irony, in the sense of trying to reveal what “hides behind the mask,” and give birth to the true. For him, ignorance and knowledge never “cross paths.” What he likes the most in his leisure time, is to go for a walk with his wife. He discusses: the main forces at play in international affairs and politics; economics create a basis for peace-time and war-time; current conflagrations between the two juggernauts, China and the United States, and the fraying of the European Union, the freeing itself of colonial rule in Latin America, and the continual self-impoverishment of the Russian Federation due to expenses diverted from the direct wellbeing of its people; China or is the United States acting in a more irresponsible manner; Brexit; Latin America – Central and South America; Russian Federation; Sino-Russian relations; the Middle East; New Political Cosmogonia; imperialist ambitions of the United States; the East and the West; a just state; an equitable state; a just state and an equitable state of a nation come together; materials goods necessary to live a modern base life; pyramidal cascade of grace; member countries of the European Union fighting one another; biological terrorism; Different governments – leftist, rightist, centrist, and the derivatives; a global culture with men having more sense and acting with more maturity; biological terrorist attacks emanating from China; if the European Union fractionates; the majority of this ongoing political and economic tension; the confrontation one and the other ‘will be killed’”; the dumb hunting traps placed on the road for President Trump by the Chinese; acting in a more irresponsible manner; many Russians blinded with a love for Putin; the greatest leader now; the Americans, the Russians, and the Chinese; authoritarian or liberal democratic tendencies; the looming threats of anthropogenic climate change and nuclear catastrophe; the earliest recorded moment of anti-Semitism; anti-Semitism developed over time; experienced any of this in personal life; hatred used as a political tool; the support of some fundamentalist Christian sects for the Jewish people out of some biblical prophecy of the end of day; anti-Semitism portrayed in media; important ways to combat anti-Semitism; effective authors, speakers, organizations, and movements in culture to reduce the fear, stereotyping, and hatred of Jewish peoples; “Messianic” and “Messianic Era”; Jewish peoples in the “Masada massacre”; forms of intelligence seem strongest in Jewish peoples; wife attacked by an Islamic fundamentalist; a form of blaming Jewish peoples simply for being Jewish; any deep meaning to “Jewish pig” ; Jewish peoples become a common group rather than others as an outsourcing of blame for political ineptitude; chosen people; Christian theologians justify group bigotry over one person’s act of murder of their claimed Messiah; Spielberg; Golda; fundamentalist Christian idea in the United States of hoping for the annihilation of the Jewish peoples for Christ to come back in glory; Jung; Freud; cultural strength behind this for the Jewish peoples; g; counter this theological excuse; the “reins” of the most influential and strategic spheres; a literal protection or more of a metaphorical protection; questioning if theology is even useful anymore, or is it more of an intellectual exercise; Christian theology; the conscious the unconscious; the two points of contact; “weak thinking”; cognitive neuroscience; god talk; the world of Academia; dead academics; the language and vital energy of the unconscious; the barrier between the conscious and the unconscious; the conscious and the unconscious; if we integrate with digital computers; the next reasonable step in the advancement of psychopharmacology; aberrant psychological constellations of traits aren’t considered disorders, now, should be seen as disorders; and mental illnesses, syndromes, and disorders are formally psychological issues or psychiatric diagnoses but will likely be removed as the science of the mind advances.
Keywords: Christian Sorenson, politics, psychology, religion.
An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Politics, Religion, and Psychology (Part Five)[1],[2]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let’s talk a bit about the current political moment or, rather, moments, the various forces at play in the world. What do you consider the main forces at play in international affairs and politics?
Christian Sorenson: Even if it is a premature diagnosis, since neither the international community nor the United States has become aware of it, I think there has been a “deep schism,” and probably with “no-return,” which I will name as “new political cosmogonia.” The “hegemonic power” of the United States, in all senses, and its “imperialist expansion ambitious,” have been “neutralized” and “forcluded” by a big giant. If this is so, then the main “paternalistic leader,” and “protector” of the West has been “displaced,” and lost his place, with remote possibilities of being able to reposition itself again. Obviously, if it is “not one,” then it is “the other,” however beyond that, is presumable, that the control that the East will exercise over the West, from now on, is going to be based on a policy profile that could be denominated as “passive-aggressive submission,” because will not only imply an “ideological turn” tending towards the “left side,” but also “cultural dis-encounters,” that are going to unleash greater “conflicts” than those that already existed. Therefore, if those felt “differences,” are in a framework of “political fundamentalism” or “theocratic policies,” then it could be expected, that rather than being assimilated, they are going to be “introjected” by exercising “violence of conscience.”
2. Jacobsen: How does economics create a basis for peace-time and war-time?
Sorenson: Depending, if respectively they promote “human solidarity,” through the development of a more “just” and “equitable “society, that allows “material-goods,” to be “reachable” and “profitable” by everyone. Or if instead, what they encourage is the “social-class struggle,” accentuating the “gap” between the most rich and poor people, whether by “liberalizing” or “capitalizing” everything, including those “goods,” that constitute “basic rights,” such as “education” and “health.” And basing their “enrichment philosophy,” on a “distorted pre-conception” that believes that there should be a sort of “pyramidal cascade of grace,” between the “apex” of the most powerful, and the “base” of the most dispossessed.
3. Jacobsen: Looking at the current conflagrations between the two juggernauts, China and the United States, and the fraying of the European Union, the freeing itself of colonial rule in Latin America, and the continual self-impoverishment of the Russian Federation due to expenses diverted from the direct wellbeing of its people, how are the United States and China going to resolve this issue? Some related questions to follow.
Sorenson: It does not seem to me, that there is a liberation from colonial rule in Latin America, nor in Europe. In fact, I think it is quite “the opposite,” since there is a strong “interventionism,” of the “Chinese-Russian-Iranian” trio in countries with leftist governments, and also an insistent attempt to “undermine and overthrow,” liberal democracies. Interventionism, has been direct and comprehensive in “socialist-oriented” governments such as Venezuela, Nicaragua, and until recently Bolivia. Simultaneously there are “militarized” invading actions “economically camouflaged,” as is the case of Argentina, with the project that aims to build a Chinese nuclear reactor next year. Something similar, occurs in a more accentuated form in the European continent, being even worse, since we currently can verify how “their own colonies, are now colonizing them.” The “dismemberment” of the European Union, has been “indirectly” induced by the Iranian influence, with China’s back-up, and “directly” by the large migratory masses since 2015, which together with the “terrorist attacks,” have collaborated to destabilize its “economies” and “policies,” because the member countries have come into conflicts with each other. Actually I believe, that’s not possible any more to talk about “terrorist attacks,” as something light and simply, due to the fact that a “new category” has emerged for me, which I will name as “biological terrorism.” Therefore, it would be necessary to differentiate between those that are of “explosive nature” and the latter. The above could be said, based on what has happened with the “pandemic” in Europe, since it can be clearly stated in my opinion, that its origin was due to “biological terrorist attacks” perpetrated by China, who differed from the “classic ones,” by the fact that “terrorists,” instead from being “loaded with explosives,” now they charge themselves “with viruses.” The fate of the European Union, taking into account the “accumulated crisis,” that was already drafting, which by the way also has triggered strong “separatists” and “nationalists movements,” along with the “shocks” of the pandemic, has shown its worst face even with their owns, as with what has happened to Italy and Spain, in which they “turned their backs” against them. I feel that all this “catastrophic constellation,” shows above everything, that at this moment the European Union is in “the intensive care unit,” and that this story is ultimately “a chronicle of an announced death.” I see that the escalation of aggressions, has been increasing, not only between the United States and China, but also with the Russian Federation, which in others, diverts all its resources towards the “arming race” held for long with the States, and that lately has also intervened in favor of its ally. Given the “fatal dynamic condition” of the current political situation, I believe that within at least the “near future,” there is no solution to the conflict between the United States and China. And even more, it is sustainable to think that what we are “experiencing,” is already a “third world war on going.”
4. Jacobsen: Is China or is the United States acting in a more irresponsible manner? If both, what way for either?
Sorenson: For me it’s like a “Rottweiler fighting against a snake,” both are “lethals,” and from the confrontation one and the other “will be killed.” I believe, that China clearly “committed the murder,” and now is trying to arrange the disaster, that by the way also got out of control from them, by “hiding” with “eastern unflappability” the “weapon,” and the “corpse.” Nevertheless, and “this is the apple of discord,” President Trump, but not the United States, has made the mistake of “over acting,” and falling in every “dumb hunting traps” that the Chinese have “placed on the road.”
5. Jacobsen: With Brexit, and the cascade of negative effects following from this, what is the likely outcome for the integrity – economic, political, inter-national/intra-regional – of the European Union in the 2020s?
Sorenson: There has always been an “historical constant” on the European continent, that is that “history repeats itself, over and over again.” If this is right, then this time it will not be the exception, and things shouldn’t be quite different from before. Although, apparently the cause of the dissolution of the European Union will be attributed to Brexit, since at least for me is a “fact,” that “this is the end,” I feel that paradoxically, that will rather be due to the “strengthening of Germany,” more than anything else. The “deepest wound” that Europe has had until now, which lastly will “emerge” in some way or another if the crisis of the pandemic is overcome, is the “resentment feeling” that exists, against Germany, after its “refused” to provide aid in favor of the “most affected” Schengen countries.
6. Jacobsen: Latin America – Central and South America – have been under the thumb of colonial rulership for a long, long time. Some of the more recent have been the coups and invasions by the United States and others. With a shuffling off their backs of the colonial rule of the United States and others, how will this increased freedom of economic and political activity create a foundation for more just and equitable societies as determined and decided by the peoples of Latin America?
Sorenson: In my opinion is a situation of “out-out,” since “neither one nor the other serves, nor offers any solution.” Central and South America, have what in my opinion are “infra and supra structural” problems, since respectively there are serious “economic” and “educational” “gaps” between the “extreme poverty” that represents the majority of the population, which in many cases is even more accentuated when it’s related to indigenous, and the “richest” by the other side who are a minority. At the same time, the presence of “colonial ambitions” through the most empowered countries, that are “vying for the same steak,” by “strengthening” the “factual powers” of “local governments,” in exchange for “agreeing” to be intervened, by “sacrificing their own people,” in order to obtain geo-political advantages or economical benefits, over their natural resources, as is the case, for example, with Venezuela’s oil, does not precisely improves the “state of affairs” on this continent. The only solution from my point of view, is “one that is absurd,” in order to arrive to more just and equitable societies. That would be something analogous to “empty” the continent of their people and resources, and in that way by “eliminating the bitch, the dog cam would be ended.”
7. Jacobsen: The Russian Federation continues its long run under a former KGB operative, President Vladimir Putin, while its GDP remains below Canada with a significantly higher population than Canada. This single metric can sing a thousand songs and a tell a hundred tales. What is the sustainability of the situation for the Russian Federation?
Sorenson: I feel that, its people, their nationalism, and the “blinded love” towards Putin.
8. Jacobsen: How will Sino-Russian relations develop as Russian & American antagonisms remain below the surface and Chinese & American antagonisms remain above it?
Sorenson: From now on, I do not think that there will continue to be “antagonisms” of any kind or “changes, regarding their positions,” in the “power-relations” between them. Rather what’s going to arrive, is a “maintained “or “fixed” “position-power” on what regards the Russian Federation and China from one side, and the United States from the other. Being in this “dynamic,” the existence of “resignation and submission,” the “most prevalent feelings” of this last, since for this nation they won’t be “enough resources” nor “state of minds” in order to face “anything powerfully.”
9. Jacobsen: Will the Middle East continue to be unstable?
Sorenson: I feel in this case, that there are “questions” that “really aren’t,” and “problems” that “do not exist,” when respectively what is happening, is that the “answer” is “known beforehand,” and the “solution” is “nowhere.”
10. Jacobsen: For this New Political Cosmogonia, does this mean a largely bipolar world (China and the United States) shifting into a multipolar world (when more than bi-)?
Sorenson: According to this “New Political Cosmogonia,” the United States would be “de-profiled,” as the “world’s leading power,” and with that, the world is going to cease to be a “bipolar-based” on two main blocks, western and eastern respectively, and instead should moved to a “tripolar-based” conformation, sustained on “three fundamental poles,” around of which all countries will gravitate. One of them would be around China, the other will focus on the United States and a third would be constituted by the European countries, which regardless of whether or not the European Union will continue existing, still will remain forming a single bloc in terms of “extra-European policies.” In this regard, Europe, as the “third pole,” is going to try to occupy an “intermediate” position, that would serve to “mediate” between the “other two,” against matters that may cause conflicts that put world peace at risk. Nevertheless, this last, “deep down” would be a “strategical way,” to obtain greater “commercials” and “economics” benefits.
11. Jacobsen: For the imperialist ambitions of the United States, how will continued escalations or conflagrations harm both countries? How will their feuding impact nations closest in their economic and politics networks?
Sorenson: In my opinion, this crisis that “affects hopelessly” the United States, will be seen by many of the countries that were close until now, as a “negative influence,” from which it is better to stay away, so as not to be economically or politically in risk. The “marriage of convenience,” that many countries had with the States, taking advantage of the “display of power” that was exhibited, is going to “cool down” and “take distance,” and will ultimately leave the United States, “quite alone” on the world stage.
12. Jacobsen: How will the East and the West continue to pull apart from one another culturally? How will this cultural arrogance in either case exhibit itself?
Sorenson: The East, always has thought that “if it is more, then is better.” They operate on a “quantitative,” and not with a “qualitative” basis, because they intend to sustained their power, through a “purely numerical approach.” It is for this reason, in my opinion that one of its primary objectives has been to “invade” the world by “over-populating” it from their eastern countries, and by using this “population superiority,” as a means to introduce their “own cultures,” pretending through a “passive-imposition” or “passive-resistance,” to bypass every other culture. In this sense, they have no intentions of living “harmoniously” and “respectfully” with the other ones, and much less they intend to “integrate” with them. What they actually seek, is to “invade” and “conquer” the West by “coercion,” similar as happened in “Sandokan’s” tale, with the “expressed desire” of making any Western cultural vestige, to lastly “disappear.”
13. Jacobsen: What is a just state?
Sorenson: A state, that watches over the “common good,” and respects “distributive justice,” understanding by this, the fact that everyone, has the “same right” of access to “property.”
14. Jacobsen: What is an equitable state?
Sorenson: A state, that respects and defends “human dignity” above all things, since does not discriminates in function of ethnic, cultural and beliefs differences.
15. Jacobsen: How do a just state and an equitable state of a nation come together? What countries represent this tendency?
Sorenson: I feel, that this would be possible if those who “rule nations” were really the “best prepared” ones, from an “intellectual” and “deontological” point of view, and if they took into account, that “power” must be used exclusively to “serve people.” In my opinion, at the moment there is “no country” capable to represent this trend. I affirm the above, not because I believe that just and equitable nations “were an ideal,” but rather the opposite, because I am convinced, that nations “as they are,” are in turn “perfectibles,” and therefore it is actually possible to reach that aspiration as a “goal-model.”
16. Jacobsen: In these contexts of materials goods necessary to live a modern base life, what makes them rights rather than privileges?
Sorenson: I believe in fact, that they not only “collaborate,” either “directly” or “indirectly” in the “production chain,” but also and primarily, that they
are “essential” for its existence. And therefore, it is logical to assume that is a right for them, to have “access” and “participate profitably” of it.
17. Jacobsen: This pyramidal cascade of grace, this trickling down hypothesis, what does this mean for populations in destitute circumstances in some peoples in the Middle East, in some states of the African Union, and in several transitioning economies in Asia? Will they replicate this form of life and waterfall economy or shirk it entirely?
Sorenson: What this “pyramid” means to me, is that “grace” must flow towards the base after has “overflowed” the apex. That is once the “wealth” exceeds the “abundance to the richest,” it should drip downward, until “gravity” reaches to the “most deprived.” According to this approach, “wealth” would flow “only in one direction,” and depending on the “scraps discarded” by the richest. As a “goods distribution system,” it seems to me that not only is applicable in these places, but also that it is “convenient” and “coherent” with them to do so. Since they are regions, where what exists is people that acts as “human masses” or “human hordes,” and therefore that are “easily manipulable,” due to the extreme conditions of “poverty” and “lack of education” in which they live. When I think in this “philosophy of life,” I remember the Christian “image” of “the poor Lazarus,” who stood under the table along with dogs, waiting for the rich to drop a “crumb of bread to spare.”
18. Jacobsen: How are the member countries of the European Union fighting one another?
Sorenson: Since they all, have ever made statements of “mutual rights” and “human rights,” that they promised to defend and aid, but when they have to “pass into act,” and “put their hands in pockets” in order to pull out money, then they “back down,” for defending their own “nationalist interests,” to the detriment of those who regard the European community.
19. Jacobsen: Any other examples of the proposed “biological terrorism”?
Sorenson: In a similar context, but not as an “unprecedented fact,” as it happened with China. They can be pointed out, some epidemics in Africa, such as Ebola, which show evident “external intervention.”
20. Jacobsen: Different governments – leftist, rightist, centrist, and the derivatives – come from different sensibilities. Different forms of governance imply different leadership. To prevent global civilizational collapse, what forms of government make most sense now? Obviously, we cannot continue to have petty intra-regional and inter-national (nation to nation) squabbles. It seems unsustainable with the power of technology and the integration of the world’s various deeply interdependent networks.
Sorenson: If all “forms of governments,” from the most “purist” to the more “eclectic” ones, have demonstrated their “inability” to satisfy the “demands” of people, regardless of their nationalities. And on the other hand, not even with the “alternation in power,” they have managed to “fulfill” their “expectations.” Then it is presumable to conclude, that at present time none of them will be capable of preventing a global collapse, and therefore it is necessary to develop a “novel conception” of these. In order to reach that goal, two conditions would be necessary. Respectively, to “re-define” a new original principle, and to “centralize” the entire world government in “just one.” Regarding the first of them, it is essential to understand, that all the forms emerged until now, have born from “ideal associations,” that after being theorized, were implemented into practice, by making “reality to fit” abruptly into them, as if they were “rigid molds.” Based on the latter, it would be required to follow an “opposite method” of process, by first of all, developing “citizen consultations,” in order to allow people, based on their “needs and priorities” to reach and define it first, and by “raising” afterwards an “ideal-form.” In consequence, the achievement of a “flexible” and “adaptable” conception related to “reality” and to a “theoretical model” of government as well, would ultimately make them “fit-ables” and run more smoothly in practice.
21. Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, what types of governances are needed as reflected by particular leadership styles – as those seen in leaders in the past?
Sorenson: In my opinion, “none of them” are needed. The first thing to do, would be to “centralize” the entire world government, physically speaking in “one, and only one entity,” And then, to “transfer” leadership towards people, by focusing its “management” on them, in such a way that “who rules,” only plays an “auditory” and “subsidiary” control role.
22. Jacobsen: Jerry Seinfeld joked, one time, about men, more or less, living as if low-level superheroes in our own little worlds. Mencken remarked on the vanity of most men and the sense of most women. What could build a global culture with men having more sense and acting with more maturity (not seeing themselves as the center of the universe on a superhero’s crusade for justice, truth)? Those sensibilities leading to an electorate and a leadership, if male, with more reality-testing, a balanced sense of the real world, and a balanced intelligence. I note far more variance in reality-testing ability of men and in the manifestations of intelligence in men with power, title, and influence.
Sorenson: I feel that, through a “global culture,” that “dethrones” all kinds of “phallic images” in society, and that promotes and protects “trans-gender ideology” since school education, and in turn also empowers “trans-gender parent families.”
23. Jacobsen: What is the evidence for the claim of an origin of biological terrorist attacks emanating from China rather than a bat-to-human transmission of a coronavirus in a Chinese wet market? Isn’t the latter more in line with the vast majority of evidence, reportage, and the principle of parsimony?
Sorenson: If there is something for which the “evidences” provided by the authorities in this “plan-demic” are useful, is that allows to be “certain” of “what it is not being.” For this reason, we must be thankful of the “childish evidences” facilitated, and the “parsimony” of them, but in a “simplistic sense,” since their contributions with all kinds of absurd explanations, “do not resist any kind of logical analysis.” For naming only some, this happened for example, with the “hypothesis of cross contamination,” when at that time “bats” were in their “hibernation period,” and therefore were not traded in markets. Or what occurred, regarding the assumption that the “virus was of natural origin,” when in its genetic mapping, shows cuts at four points with “grafts from the HIV virus.”
If we want to argue about “real evidences,” to see if such “conspiracy theory” mentioned by me, “hits the target or not,” and watch out because probably will not be the only one, since other dozen of “viruses,” have already been synthesized at the “Chinese Military Academy of Medical Sciences,” in order to evaluate the impact over humans. Then it might be helpful to verify that “this bat-virus,” is almost “not-immunogenic,” that is to say with zero immunogenic capacity, which should not exist in viruses of natural origin. What this last means, is that those who have overcome “the contagion,” will be infected “again and again” until they probably die, and therefore, there is no such “community or herd immunity,” neither “categories of supposed recovered patients,” since mathematically, and strictly speaking, they have the “same probability” of dying that the “uninfected” ones. And consequently, the search for “herd immunity” is a big error because does nothing else but to “accelerate” the death of people. In this sense this “virus,” in my opinion is a sort of “highlander-type killing machine,” that will never disappear, unless the population disappears first, or a treatment is discovered.
Somehow, in summary, I believe in this case and regarding evidences, that “the content of this wine bottle, is more important than its label.”
24. Jacobsen: If the European Union fractionates, what will be the outcome in Western Europe and Eastern Europe?
Sorenson: I think, Eastern Europe would especially regress in its “economy,” and will probably be more largely exposed to the influence of the Russian Federation. Regarding Western Europe, the “superiority” of the re-unification of Germany would be felt, and become even stronger. In turn, the countries that were always like “poor and retarded brothers,” such as Spain and Portugal, but which were the “trailers pulled” until now by the European Union, would return to “their small town country place of yesteryears.” And perhaps, the strengthening of “local nationalisms,” will lead to the “separation” and “independence” of some regions, and therefore definitely “fracture” some countries, such as Spain, Belgium and maybe Italy.
25. Jacobsen: Can the majority of this ongoing political and economic tension reflect itself as a war-time scenario happening in real-time on the internet?
Sorenson: I feel that, instead of being a scenario of war-time, happening on the internet, is rather the “time scenario,” of a “third world war,” which is underway through “the timing” of a “war of communications.”
26. Jacobsen: You note “the confrontation one and the other ‘will be killed’.” Why both?
Sorenson: Because I believe President Trump “is wrong,” when he invokes “inside its conscience,” the “lex Talionis” regarding “an aye for an eye,” and “a tooth for… A tooth.” Since his “response,” is being given in an “outside-other register” than the one gave by the Chinese in their “offensive,” and what is worse, that is “out-of-timing.” If this is actually occurring, then is logical to imagine, that if the “escalation of hostilities” continues, President Trump, is going to feel “cornered,” and therefore will react by making a “forceful attack,” wishing to make China “disappear,” either in a “real” or “imaginary” sense. This last, in turn would lead to China to respond, by giving a “final thrust” to the United States.
27. Jacobsen: What have been the dumb hunting traps placed on the road for President Trump by the Chinese?
Sorenson: It should be noted that of all, the first “dumb hunting trap,” was placed by the same President Trump “on himself.” When until recently, he did not “stop flaunting” about his “super-powers,” perhaps as a way of “over-compensating” the “length of his ties.” Indeed, I think that in this case, one of “the principles” fulfilled, is the one that says that “if you tell me of what you presume, I will tell you what you lack.” Other “decoys,” in which he has fallen, were to “minimize” the severity of the epidemic, by adopting a “denialist attitude,” even in relation to the consequences that could affect the United States. To some extent they were expressly consented, since until now its “main concern,” is not to slow down the economy, especially in relation to “sea cruises,” that are businesses in which he has a “stake.” Likewise, his “deafness,” to listen at everyone, but especially to the scientific advisers, who had been warning for two years, about the need to take measures to prevent this incoming pandemic. And the worst of all, I would say “the thorn in its back,” which is the bad habit to “dis-appreciate” the threats of the most dangerous enemies. Not only “not realizing,” that “there is no small enemy” but what is even more serious, by the fact of not being aware that the “worst enemy,” sometimes arrives to be “the smallest of all.”
28. Jacobsen: Is China or is the United States acting in a more irresponsible manner? If both, what way for either?
Sorenson: I think, they are both irresponsible. China, was irresponsible at the beginning, because apart from the “global damage,” caused “intentionally” by them, did not “dimensioned” that it was going to “be greater” than imagined, and that additionally the situation was going to get “out of control.” For its part, the United States was not responsible “before” the beginning, when having all the resources in its hands, “refused” to take “preventive measures,” to avoid the pandemic. And by the way, it is also doing so now, since has “overlapped” economy above everything, including the “lives and rights of its citizens,” and because instead of “resolving” the conflict with China has “increasingly accentuated” it, that in the best of scenarios, will leave us all in a “New Cold War.”
29. Jacobsen: Why are many Russians blinded with a love for Putin?
Sorenson: Because they see in Putin, the image of a “Siberian bear,” who at the same time is “wild” and has “refined tastes.” “Protector” of his country, but “sensitive” and “close” to people. With a “strong temper,” capable of dominating a tiger, only with his “personal charm,” as well as getting the rest of the world to “respect” him, and “think twice” before “wanting” to start any conflict.
30. Jacobsen: Who seems like the greatest leader now? I do not mean power of military, size of economy, and popularity in the polls. I mean character and virtue required for true leadership.
Sorenson: I feel that “Pope Francis I,” especially when it “comes to mind,” his “passion” for soccer, and when I think about the “character” and “virtues,” of the “simpleton priest of my town.”
31. Jacobsen: Are the Americans, the Russians, and the Chinese – their respective ruling and governing elites – willing to continue in an indefinite stalemate?
Sorenson: Maybe now, but “maybe not” after we enter the “Messianic era.”
32. Jacobsen: Will authoritarian or liberal democratic tendencies win out in the end?
Sorenson: I don’t think so, since both are a “failure.” But I also believe, that the “best government,” is going to be the one that arises, after “money has been eliminated” from the world.
33. Jacobsen: What about the looming threats of anthropogenic climate change and nuclear catastrophe?
Sorenson: I believe that currently, there is a “planning” strategy that searches to “eliminate” almost all the world population, and expects to leave at the end, no more than one hundred million inhabitants. This basically would be executed through “biological controls,” exercised by the “progressive introduction” of untreated diseases, poverty and famine. The goal, is to start a “novel civilization,” mainly based on “technological” and “molecular genetics” developments, in order to improve and facilitate the “foundation” of other forms of societies, sustained on new “anthropological” conceptions and “ethical” values.
34. Jacobsen: A lot of the thinking in the world is dichotomous. In that, there is a claim to some binary invisible ordering of our lives. One of the forms in which this arises in the concept of good and evil, god and the devil, angels and demons, and the good people and the bad people. Some of the manifestations of this can take the form of ethnic hatreds. One of those is anti-Semitism. What seems like the earliest recorded moment of anti-Semitism?
Sorenson: One of the most recorded images I have, is the site and massacre of “Masada” by the Romans. I feel that it is not only a demonstration of anti-Semitism, but also the “exhibition,” in its greatest splendor, of what “human cowardice and cruelty” can reach.
35. Jacobsen: How has anti-Semitism developed over time, fractionated into different forms?
Sorenson: I feel that throughout history, “the theme,” has not varied regardless of whether it was the Inquisition, Nazism or the persecution of Egypt. Since, we have always “been envied” for being the chosen people, or for having a greater degree of intelligence, and “strategically control the world since ever.”
36. Jacobsen: Fundamentally, anti-Semitism is a perception of the world as one divided in the manner mentioned before with good people and bad people. Good people are those are non-Semites and the bad people are those who are Semites. Then the rest of a hatred, prejudice, and bigotry follow from this. Have you experienced any of this in personal life?
Sorenson: Indirectly yes, when my wife was once brutally attacked by an Islamic fundamentalist, unfortunately these cases go “unpunished,” as authorities justifies the aggressors as “poor deranged,” who were provoked by the “mere presence” of a Jew. Directly also, since “my sweet childhood,” I guess so. When among other things, my stepfather often reminded me that I was a “Jewish pig.”
37. Jacobsen: How is this form of hatred used as a political tool?
Sorenson: I think they have always been used as a “scape-goat,” and with a “double standard” to divert attention and blame the Jews, due to “the political ineptitude” they have to rule their nations.
38. Jacobsen: What is the nature of the support of some fundamentalist Christian sects for the Jewish people out of some biblical prophecy of the end of days, or some such thing? How is this taken so seriously as to be politically consequential in places like the United States?
Sorenson: I believe that the most “classical and common accusation,” from the religious point of view, is to blame Jews of “having murdered Christ,” and therefore they are obliged to “pay eternally” for that sin. In the United States, the racist idea of thinking that they “transmit genetic defects,” that spoil the purity of a supposed “superior race,” has gained a lot of strength in “white supremacist groups.” And from a political sight, the “Zionist conspiracy theory,” such as the “Andean plan” to appropriate the “world’s freshwater reserves” in the Patagonia of South America, which among others is becoming increasingly popular, since according these, Jews would try to “globally control” through the economy, communications and politics, in order to “seize all the resources,” and “dominate the entire world.”
39. Jacobsen: How is anti-Semitism portrayed in media?
Sorenson: Through the press, showing a “biased” vision of Israel, and in turn associating it with a “Nazi state” that commits “genocidal crimes” against Palestinians. Also by “ridiculing” the Orthodox diaspora communities, through “any type of events and circumstances.” And “hypocritically promoting,” all kinds of means that strengthen the “boycott against Israel.” The aforementioned, is what they currently denominate mainly in Europe, as “anti-Zionism,” which in my opinion, is nothing more than a “cynical excuse” to hide the “real face of the new anti-Semitism.”
40. Jacobsen: What are important ways to combat anti-Semitism?
Sorenson: I feel that first of all, and along with “not being afraid of anti-Semitism,” is to apply what for me is the “golden rule,” this is “we must respect and make ourselves respected.” And secondly, that we “do not have to hide,” quite the contrary, “we must dare to show ourselves,” and “feel proud of our customs and of being Jews.”
41. Jacobsen: Finally, who have been effective authors, speakers, organizations, and movements in culture to reduce the fear, stereotyping, and hatred of Jewish peoples?
Sorenson: From a political point of view I think we have great examples like “Golda Mier.” Culturally speaking Steven Spielberg, has made important contributions regarding the “collective unconscious.” As well, all Jewish community organizations or leagues in diaspora, such as anti-Semitic ones, those of social aid, like Wizo, and Maguen Adom, or with lay- religious purposes, as Chabad and reformists.
42. Jacobsen: What do you mean by “Messianic” and “Messianic Era”?
Sorenson: What will occur when the “diasporic exile” of Jewish people ends, because we all are going to return to Israel. And when all nations, recognize “its anointed,” the God of Israel who will be invested to “rule both,” Jewish people and the rest of humanity, so that “peace and justice reigns.”
43. Jacobsen: What things were done to Jewish peoples in the “Masada massacre”?
Sorenson: In the context of the First Roman Jewish War, the Jews “were besieged” by the troops of the Roman Empire, and when they saw that “defeat was imminent,” they carried out a “collective suicide,” which in my opinion is a “symbol of self-affirmation and resistance” as Jewish people, who prefer death rather than to “bend themselves” or “be slaves again.”
44. Jacobsen: What forms of intelligence seem strongest in Jewish peoples? Is this innate, culture, or both? How so in any case?
Sorenson: I think it’s definitely an “innate, racial and genetic superiority of general intelligence,” inherited from the mother, recognized by many, “likes it who wants to,” and “annoys it to whoever,” equivalent on average, to “one standard deviation” above the general adult population.
45. Jacobsen: How was your wife attacked by an Islamic fundamentalist? Where was this? What were the health consequences?
Sorenson: It happened here in Belgium, once we were walking back home, a guy pulled out a firearm and aimed it at her head, yelling that “she was a Jewish bitch and that the next time, he would put a bullet in her head.” My wife was terrified, and for a long time felt afraid even to go outside. Says that she doesn’t wants to see an Islamic fundamentalist close to her never again in life.
46. Jacobsen: Following from the last question, does this reflect a form of blaming Jewish peoples simply for being Jewish and being in the presence of an anti-Semite?
Sorenson: In my opinion, it “reflects much more” than the pure “simplicity” of that. And in turn, is “much more serious,” since if “hypothetically” someone arrives to eventually “feels that hate” towards Jews, in the silent and “private sphere” of its personal conscience, which in itself is already “something despicable” … Then, nothing has to do with the rest, or with the fact “of believing” that since the aforementioned, there’s something similar to a “kind of right and freedom,” that authorizes someone for “acting-out” those “irrational beliefs,” through “intolerant” and “aggressive behaviors,” that afterwards are justified by “mental distortions” of fanaticism, that judges them as “licitly-good actions,” or that are “passively protected,” by the “blindness” of justice, that “prefers to hide all the grime under the carpet,” pretending to “make believe” that nothing bad has happened, in order “to protect the political image” of the authorities on duty.
47. Jacobsen: Is there any deep meaning to “Jewish pig” or is this simply a bigoted statement of dehumanization, or both?
Sorenson: Taking into consideration that my mother is Jewish by womb, and of Sephardic origin, since comes from one of the oldest families in the Jewish quarter of Barcelona, about the year 1000 AD. I feel that “this epithet,” mainly denoted from my stepfather, who in my opinion suffers of “Procusto’s Syndrome” regarding myself , “his impotence” of not being able to find anything more hurtful, with which to insult, mixed besides, with a “feeling of rage,” because in its daily life, he had to “see the man,” that my mother really loved, and the predilection that she has always had for me, over him and the rest of my half brothers, due to the reason that she considers me her “genius and adored child.”
48. Jacobsen: Why do Jewish peoples become a common group rather than others as an outsourcing of blame for political ineptitude?
Sorenson: Since unlike other ethnic groups, “throughout history,” we “have taken the reins of the world” from the most strategic and influential spheres, which has “sown hatred and rage” accumulated after generations, due to the fact that they have never been able to “assume and tolerate,” that a “small bunch,” has always achieved that and much more, despite the “constants persecutions and atrocities” suffered as people. And what “get hives on their skin” even more, because they have never been capable “to digest” so, though they are aware of it. It is the fact, besides that never they will be superior to us, that “we are like reeds,” since when being alone “we bend but never break,” and together “we are even stronger.”
49. Jacobsen: What does chosen people mean in this context?
Sorenson: What means is that is the people with whom God made a “covenant of alliance,” and therefore that’s “protected” by Hashem, and for which Adonay has a “predilection.”
50. Jacobsen: How do Christian theologians justify group bigotry over one person’s act of murder of their claimed Messiah? It was one person; therefore, it’s all Jewish peoples. “Overgeneralization” doesn’t do this leap justice.
Sorenson: Since Christian theologians, believe that the Messiah they claimed, was also the “son of God made man,” and therefore “the act” of Jews and the Sanhedrin at that time, was even more serious because who they killed was nothing less than “the person of God made man on earth.” From my point of view, this generalization is a “theological excuse” to justify the eternal punishment that Jews must suffer, for “being a treacherous race,” and for “having committed” and “continue to commit,” a much deeper sin, that is to “have denied” and “continue to deny,” who they claimed was the “true Messiah.” Which in consequence implies denying in their consciences, the “redemption of the human species,” from the original sin of our first parents, Adam and Eve, and finally with pretending to keep “the doors of paradise closed.”
51. Jacobsen: Any favourite works by Spielberg?
Sorenson: Personally, the film about “Schindler’s List,” and especially regarding the shocking black and white image of a little girl who is first shown “lining up to go to death row,” and then “highlighted in red,” in the middle of a pile of corpses.
52. Jacobsen: Any favourite quotes by Golda?
Sorenson: For her courage and firmness of decision to execute the “Operation Fury of God.”
53. Jacobsen: What do you think of this fundamentalist Christian idea in the United States of hoping for the annihilation of the Jewish peoples for Christ to come back in glory, from their view?
Sorenson: Indeed, that is what Jehovah’s Witnesses “believe,” since for them this would be a “sign of the end times,” before “the final battle of Armageddon.” The basic issue of it, is that even though they actively desire and promote the annihilation of Jews, they forget that what they affirm “is a sign, as long as Jews disappear.” If this does not happen, which in fact not only does not occur, but also is the opposite because the world Jewish population “increases every year.” Then it would be “not a sign of the end times,” nor consequently the “coming of any Christ in glory and majesty.”
54. Jacobsen: Do you support Jung? If so, how, and what parts? If not, why not? Any idea as to the recent repopularization of Jung?
Sorenson: Despite the fact that Jung tries to reach the depths of “unconscious,” through “archetypal images,” and the “collective unconscious,” it seems to me that his “theoretical proposal,” that at first sight may be striking, nevertheless is “weak and superficial,” since lacks of a “coherent and systematic conceptualization” and it is “adorned by plenty of superfluous and figurative images.” Besides in my opinion, has budgets that may be linked to the “Nazi ideology” and the “Aryan race.” Currently, apart of the “nationalist exacerbations” that are “in vogue,” it has regained strength within the “humanistic and transpersonal” currents of psychology, regarding especially to the “Palo Alto School” in California, and with what I consider as “weak thought” in relation to the “New Age” movement.
55. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on Freud? We have talked using some of the relevant terminology.
Sorenson: I think Freud made an important contribution grace to its “original conceptualization” of the “unconscious.” In my opinion, its two fundamental works regarding the main Freudian concepts are “Die Traumdeutung” and “Jenseits des Lustprinzips.” I consider, that perhaps it would be valuable nowadays, to “return to Freud,” to carry out a “re, re-reading,” worth the redundancy, of his work. However, at the same time I think that the “clinical results” of psychoanalysis,” must be “demystified,” since they have a “strong suggestibility” charge.
56. Jacobsen: You mentioned bending and not breaking. What is a cultural strength behind this for the Jewish peoples, apart from innate factors?
Sorenson: Because we are a “suffering people,” who seems to be “under a sign” since ever. Through wars, slaveries, exiles, exterminations and persecutions, has had to go through the “whimsical destinations of history,” stored already “in our retina” with Goliath and King David, and indeed at the same time symbolized in the “Magen” as a “protective shield.” At least one matter for sure, “comes out of our pores” for generations. The fact that “adversity” repeats cyclically for us “over and over again,” even if “actors change but the plot is identical,” and that “our survival” is inextricably linked to it, though we also “bear in mind,” that some “black and terrible” episodes of our history, whatever this implies, “will never happen again.”
57. Jacobsen: Is this standard deviation above the norm in g or in something factorizing into g, i.e., verbal intelligence?
Sorenson: It is in relation to “factor g,” in Wechsler’s Scale of Intelligence for adults, in which one standard deviation, is equivalent to 15 points on IQ.
58. Jacobsen: What can counter this theological excuse?
Sorenson: In my opinion, through “lay thought,” that combats any type of “intolerance and dogmatism,” derived from the “fanaticism” of “salvific religious doctrines.”
59. Jacobsen: What have been the “reins” of the most influential and strategic spheres?
Sorenson: Since the “Middle Age” until now, with finance, philosophy and science, from antiquity, especially in medicine, and among others with the sage of Maimonides. Until the contemporary time, being up to now eighty percent of the “Nobel Prizes,” and passing through art and literature, for arriving till today, with technology, economy, politics and communications. That is, all that encompasses the “intellectual world of ideas,” in other words “with everything.”
60. Jacobsen: Do you believe in a literal protection or more of a metaphorical protection, as the many mass killings of Jewish peoples would probably raise questions in some Jewish people’s minds, “Chosen for what”?
Sorenson: I feel that the “insistent” historical attempt to “exterminate” the Jewish people, precisely demonstrates, regardless of what it means, that are actually “chosen,” since up to now they have never been able to achieve this proposal. Therefore, from this point of view, it shows the opposite of what they may believe, and allows us to affirm that we are “indeed protected,” because is the people that has the “mission to survive.”
61. Jacobsen: Is theology even useful anymore, or is it more of an intellectual exercise (if not an exercise in futility)?
Sorenson: For me it is as “useless and entertaining,” as it can be “to play Loto,” since is similar to believe that “if I pay” to look for the winning number, “I may find it,” and if I succeed, then “I will be a winner” because “I will be able to enter paradise,” and therefore “I became a millionaire.”
62. Jacobsen: Christian theology has a nice story. However, its violent manifestations tell another narrative in the social world. Why the dichotomy? A story of redemption into a culture of violence and bigotry.
Sorenson: What occurs with Christian theology, is that “with one hand they give” while with “the other, they take away,” or “they hide a dagger to bury it at the right moment.” It is rather a “dualism,” since they occupy a “good and charitable face” to evangelize, but because they consider themselves a religion of “divine origin,” and therefore “sacred and unique,” in consequence they feel with the right to show “their bad face,” by “condemning and forcing with violence” to consciences, in case that someone dares to “reject the truth.”
63. Jacobsen: What is the conscious?
Sorenson: From my point of view, it is the “most superficial” part of the “psychic apparatus,” the seat of all emotions, whose principal function is to “relate with reality,” where the “sense of self” as “self-concept,” and personality as well, are formed in an “imaginary and speculate” way, and where all the processes of “formal reasoning” are developed.
64. Jacobsen: What is the unconscious?
Sorenson: I think it is the “deepest” and “darkest” part of “mind,” that is “structured” with “its own language,” that works “through a force” that is like a “vital energy,” and that strongly “determines” the “psychic world” of an individual.
65. Jacobsen: What relates the two points of contact?
Sorenson: Strictly speaking, I believe that actually “nothing connects” or “communicates” them, and that is one of the reasons why it is very difficult to access “someone’s psychological world,” and to understand “one’s own mind.”
66. Jacobsen: Is “weak thinking” simply a synonym for unprincipled thinking based on little evidence?
Sorenson: Not really, what I mean is that it is a proposal that lacks of a “reasonable background,” since when digging deeper you “don’t get to anything.” It’s like “an onion,” that if you peel it expecting to find “the skin,” not only is it not found, but also you end up “running out of onion.”
67. Jacobsen: Cognitive neuroscience is an interesting marriage between the precision of neuroscience and the operations orientation of cognitive science. How might these provide a firmer basis and tighter standard of evidence for psychoanalysis and understanding the unconscious and the conscious, and so Freud and Jung?
Sorenson: The first matter to understand, is that Freud and Jung have almost nothing in common, since the latter soon separated from the former and of psychoanalysis, to develop what afterwards became known as “Jungian psychology,” which took an orientation more closely related to “humanistic psychology of Gestalt,” and with “Bio-Energetic” proposals. Regarding the main question, it is necessary to understand that “psychoanalytic treatment” as such, has always been “very restricted,” not only due to the fact it lacks “scientific basis,” but because it is very little applicable, since it is extraordinarily expensive and prolonged, and also in reason that requires that patients need to have “high personality structures,” that is to say be more or less “mentally healthy.” This situation has derived in the development of “psychoanalytic-oriented therapies,” that are basically divided into those that are of “brief and longer duration.” These, unlike “psychoanalysis,” are accessible to all “types of patients” and “have scientific support” as solid as “cognitive therapies.” And what is more paradoxical, from the “technical” point of view and “their settings,” both models are quite similar. From this perspective, the point of “inflection,” is not between the “two psychological approaches,” but rather with “neurosciences,” since this last discipline advances at “dizzying steps” in its “psycho-pharmacological methods, and it is much more efficient in terms of “results and velocity of achievements” and at a “much lower cost” than any psychological therapy. This does not mean that “psychotherapy,” is not evolving, but comparatively it is falling further behind than “psycho-pharmacology.” Over time, I think that this “psycho- models” will end up “being obsoletes,” because analogically speaking, the correspondence that existed between the two in Freud’s time, or a couple of decades ago, is “diametrically opposed” to what exists today.
68. Jacobsen: Where does all this god talk leave atheists and agnostics politically and socially in societies?
Sorenson: I feel that “leaves them nowhere,” since for this “kind of talk,” there should be “no-space possible” for atheists nor agnostics,” due to the fact that both “represent evil or evilness,” and therefore must “be fought” through “evangelization” and “extirpated” from life. According to my point of view, the “worst atrocities of humanity,” have been committed in “name of god,” and for this reason, this last has historically “stained its hands with blood,” and used “religion” ultimately as its “persecuting executioner,” in order to “corner freedom” until “strangled,” in order “to uproot” the “deepest part” of dignity.
69. Jacobsen: In the world of Academia, who seem like the most intelligent academics alive now?
Sorenson: James Watson, but more than for its studies on the DNA, for his latest comments on “race and intelligence.”
70. Jacobsen: Of the dead academics, who seem like the most influential and politically consequential now?
Sorenson: Charles Darwin, for his search of “the missing link.”
71. Jacobsen: What is the language and vital energy of the unconscious?
Sorenson: Sex and the “language of lack.”
72. Jacobsen: What could break the barrier between the conscious and the unconscious?
Sorenson: In my opinion, “structurally speaking,” the barrier between both, is “not possible to be broken,” not even through the psychoanalytic treatment, since the “conscious,” is subjected to the “formal process of thought,” and therefore works through “univocal meanings,” while the “unconscious” is shaped based on a “symbolic chain” that “operates metaphorically” by the “absence of symbol,” and in consequence does so with the evocation of “equivocal significations.
73. Jacobsen: What marginally breaks the barrier between the conscious and the unconscious?
Sorenson: I think that it would be factible by a “form of pleasure experience,” understood as a “moment,” and therefore as a “sensation,” that at the same time may be lived as “presence and absence” of something
74. Jacobsen: If we integrate with digital computers, what will this do to the sense of self and identity to human beings?
Sorenson: I believe that it would be possible to “integrate” with digital computers, as long as they have “symbolization capacity,” which would imply that actually they are endowed of what I name as “artificial intelligence with high cognitive capacities.” If this were to occur, we “could relate” each other as equals, and in turn they could “intervene” and eventually “modify our minds.”
75. Jacobsen: What would be the next reasonable step in the advancement of psychopharmacology to help deal with various mental disorders and illnesses?
Sorenson: It seems to me, that in the short term it could be possible to advance in a greater “specialization of some drug families,” such as neuroleptics and antidepressants, in order to cover some “clinical syndromes” that are excessively wide. In turn, would be to work more on the line of “deposit drugs for prolonged release,” more based on what I would denominate as “intelligent self-dosage” regarding “active substances.”
76. Jacobsen: What aberrant psychological constellations of traits aren’t considered disorders, now, should be seen as disorders?
Sorenson: I think that the “diagnostic category” of “sexual paraphilias,” should “be deepened conceptually” speaking and “expanded” respectively regarding “pedophilia,” and “incestuous behaviors,” since until now these are “legitimated” in some cultures. The same should be done, with respect to “antisocial conducts,” in relation to those that “exercise violence and serious mistreatment against women,” such as physical mutilations, slavery, and traffic, which by the way like previous ones, are openly and normally practiced in certain regions.
77. Jacobsen: What mental illnesses, syndromes, and disorders are formally psychological issues or psychiatric diagnoses but will likely be removed as the science of the mind advances?
Sorenson: In my opinion those related to certain “types of addictive behaviors,” especially regarding “consumption of drugs,” and “sexual dysmorphic syndromes,” associated with “gender identity disorders.”
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Independent Philosopher.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-five; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Politics, Religion, and Psychology (Part Five) [Online].June 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-five.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, June 1). An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Politics, Religion, and Psychology (Part Five). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-five.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Politics, Religion, and Psychology (Part Five). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, June. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-five>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Politics, Religion, and Psychology (Part Five).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-five.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Politics, Religion, and Psychology (Part Five).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (June 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-five.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Politics, Religion, and Psychology (Part Five)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-five>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Politics, Religion, and Psychology (Part Five)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-five.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Politics, Religion, and Psychology (Part Five).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):June. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-five>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Christian Sorenson on Politics, Religion, and Psychology (Part Five) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sorenson-five.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
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ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Anthony Sepulveda scored 174 (S.D.15) on Cosmic and is a member of the World Genius Directory. He discusses: family background; family life; experience with peers in elementary and high school; early gifts; nurtured by guardians/parents, teachers, friends, or community; post-secondary education; memorable or pivotal moments in early life; meaning in life; memories of Christianity in the Pacific Northwest; etymology of the name Sepulveda, or Brown; mother in the daycare and father in the military; consistent uprooting and displacement; mathematical talent indications; college “an almost completely ridiculous institution nowadays”; intellectual interests; men taking upon themselves the defensive posture; Christianity in particular; religion or faith; believe in a god or gods; nature of problems; universally fair IQ test; reframing in a survivor and positive manner; step-father; and other aspects of the university system.
Keywords: Anthony Sepulveda, Background, Christian, Christianity, gifts, intelligence, Pacific Northwest.
An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Background and Intelligence (Part One)[1],[2]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: As always, some background with some family and personal contexts can be helpful for the audience expected now, or others unexpected into the future. What is some family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Anthony Sepulveda: A little over three decades ago, I was born in the Pacific Northwest of the United States. My parents met in college and were practicing Christians. I haven’t spoken with them much about how things were for them during that time, so any picture I could paint for you would have such broad strokes that would likely result in a false impression.
2. Jacobsen: If you reflect on some aspects of family life, family dynamics and upbringing, were the memories warm or cold in general?
Sepulveda: Both of my parents were bread winners. My father joined the military shortly after my birth and my mother started her own independent daycare for toddlers and newborns that she ran from the various homes we lived in. We moved from place to place quite often during my developing years, usually staying for a few years (three, on average) before we’d pack up and relocate. At the time, it was explained to me that this was caused by my father’s military career. So, the only consistency for me was the family dynamic and the organized chaos of having a half dozen toddlers to help manage.
Like any other lifestyle, this one had it’s pros and cons. While it was more or less warm, I believe that the general inconsistency of my upbringing stymied my social skills during a crucial period. As a result, I haven’t had many personal lasting relationships and I often approach them without any expectation of permanence. It wasn’t until just recently that I started thinking about social intelligence as a something you can actually study and develop. But I’m already feeling optimistic about that even subjective social problems have objective logical solutions.
3. Jacobsen: How was the experience with peers in elementary and high school for you? Was social life active for you? Or did you live a more isolated existence with books and hobbies? Looking at the upbringing in the home, what was the form of parenting?
Sepulveda: As mentioned above, my social skills didn’t develop at the normal pace. Which resulted in me living a fairly isolated existence and caused me to find solace in books.
4. Jacobsen: When were early gifts discovered for you?
Sepulveda: Beyond a variety of subjective experiences, the only noteworthy event I can recall was during a math class in my early teens. Without warning, we were given a series of calculus problems dealing with simple projectile motion. Long story short, I was the only one to get all the questions right but nothing came of it.
5. Jacobsen: Were these nurtured by guardians/parents, teachers, friends, or community? If so, what were the benefits? If not, why not?
Sepulveda: I was left to my own devices, for the most part. Now that I’m an adult myself, I imagine that my parents were struggling enough just to keep the ship afloat and felt some relief knowing that I was relatively stable in my own little world.
6. Jacobsen: Did you pursue post-secondary education? If so, what were some of the more enjoyable parts of the experience for you? If not, why not?
Sepulveda: I did, but it didn’t last long and I probably won’t be pursuing it further. College is an almost completely ridiculous institution nowadays. And even if I were to successfully slog my way through it and earn a degree, there’s a very high probability that I still won’t make it into the field I was aiming for. Such is the case for about 70% of students worldwide and I can’t reasonably expect any other result for myself given my age and interests. So I’ve elected to carry on educating myself and doing what I can to benefit and entertain myself and anyone else interested in my work.
7. Jacobsen: What are memorable or pivotal moments in early life for you – the good and the bad?
Sepulveda: Two important experiences come to mind – Firstly, at one point during a vacation my father decided that he, I and a couple of others should explore Wind Cave in Bend, Oregon. It’s about 4 kilometres long and littered with large stones that have fallen from its roof a short way in. These stones remain where they fall, forming an unstable mess that completely covers the ground and often forms large walls of debris that you have to climb up and down to continue forward. I was a fat teen during this visit and barely managed to keep pace until we reached the end. This must have tested everyone else’s patience because they left me to fend for myself on the way back. I spent several exhaustive hours working my way through the most complete blackness I’d ever experienced, often losing my sense of direction due to the chaotic nature of my surroundings and my inability to see more than about a meter ahead of me as I only had a small, dull hand light with which to navigate. Eventually, I made it out. But since then I can’t bear to rely on others for anything important. Whatever goes wrong, I’ll do everything in my power to solve it on my own. It’s only after I’ve exhausted all my effort that I’ll ask for help. And even then, I’ll feel guilty about it.
Secondly, when I was in my late teens there was a night during which I simply couldn’t sleep. This wasn’t an uncommon event as I’ve lived with insomnia for most of my life. But on this particular night closed the book I’d usually spend nights reading and placed upon it a sheet of paper. Having never drawn anything before, I simply starred at the blank surface in the dim light of my room. After a while, lines seemed to reveal themselves just beyond the page. And I spent the next few hours tracing them, shading here and there until my first abstract drawing was complete. It wasn’t very good or aesthetically pleasing, but it was my first tentative step towards a place of experimental expression where I’ve developed a long-lasting love of art and potentially the most singularly unique experience of my life.
8. Jacobsen: What gives you meaning in life?
Sepulveda: I don’t know if there is any objective meaning to be gleaned from the evidence life provides. But I do believe that our purpose can be deduced by examining our physiology and, most tellingly, our biopsychology. From these, I’ve concluded that our intention is simply to survive, procreate, explore, have fun and be happy. Beyond that, I don’t know. All other evidence seems too ambiguous to work with.
9. Jacobsen: What are the memories of Christianity in the Pacific Northwest for you?
Sepulveda: My parents had faith in common and wanted to share it with their children. But it wasn’t and still isn’t the belief system for me. I stopped attending regular services during my early adolescence and only look back into the subject during the occasional debate.
10. Jacobsen: What is the etymology of the name Sepulveda, or Brown, depending on personal preference?
Sepulveda: Ah, you’re aware of that recent change. I made that decision to celebrate the ten year anniversary of my mother and step father.
11. Jacobsen: With your mother in the daycare and father in the military, this is quintessentially aligned with the aspects of the roles set forth for men and women in the United States, whether the Pacific Northwest or the Midwest.
Sepulveda: I suppose my parents fit their respective stereotypes well, yes.
12. Jacobsen: Did the consistent uprooting and displacement due to father’s military career carry over into adult life for you? Someone who moves, has to be on the go, and simply someone who wishes to explore the world.
Sepulveda: A bit. I’ve relocated seven times since I started living on my own. But that was primarily caused by personal financial struggles,
13. Jacobsen: With some of the mathematical talent indications, since both came of it, have there been micro-builds on top of it? In that, this is something that may not have paid huge dividends for you, but became useful in those small crucial moments in life.
Sepulveda: It’s been useful for the discovery and appreciation of abstract patterns. But has little practical use in my day to day life.
14. Jacobsen: What makes college “an almost completely ridiculous institution nowadays”?
Sepulveda: Where else can you go to pay copious sums of money to do someone else’s job for them? Aside from the necessary lab classes, most college courses are taken online. During which a professor’s job is limited to judging the quality of work that cannot be graded via automated system (like essays) and occasionally offering advice while everything else has been streamlined into required reading and multiple choice question tests. And given the aforementioned 70% failure rate of students trying to move on to their desired careers, the whole thing seems to be a bad joke.
To put things into perspective, my first college course was a computer class that was taught by an environmental science major. Needless to say, I didn’t learn much.
15. Jacobsen: What are the intellectual interests now? What are some examples of productions by you?
Sepulveda: Most recently, I’ve been studying the nature of problems and the methodologies necessary to solve or resolve them. It’s been interesting to find so many common factors among seemingly disparate subjects.
Previous projects include the development of a universally fair IQ test and a number of original abstract art pieces, photos and puzzles.
16. Jacobsen: Many men take upon themselves the defensive posture with not a single traumatic incident of being left alone to fend for themselves in a seemingly desperate circumstance; they do this in a context of repeated small slights and damages to the ego, their pride, in which this becomes an armoured personality. It comes internally and externally. It creates a lot of issues around the world and manifests in destructive patterns for oneself and for others. I am so sorry you had to go through that experience. Is this something that you would want to change?
Sepulveda: It’s okay. Many people often lose perspective after trauma, often expecting or fearing that similarly bad events will occur in the future. But if you can accept the experience and try to understand it, the payoff is incredible. It’s given me a reason and desire to empathize with others that I may have scoffed off otherwise.
17. Jacobsen: What is Christianity in particular for you, now?
Sepulveda: The Christian faith has never been a foundation I could stand on. The arguments for it essentially fall down to an over-reliance on faith, hope and the selective interpretation of ambiguous evidence. In my opinion, it’s just a comforting con for those who want a sense of certainty to help them through life.
18. Jacobsen: What is religion or faith to you, now, in general?
Sepulveda: Religion is a belief system in which you have a relationship with a transcendent being that judges you and your adherence to dogma. These relationships come in many forms and some aren’t as strict as others, but most can be summarized in that way.
19. Jacobsen: Do you believe in a god or gods?
Sepulveda: I haven’t worked out that problem yet. The arguments for or against the proof of God have never been conclusive or satisfactory. But if there is an omniscient being running the show, then free will cannot exist and it wouldn’t be logically consistent for it to care what we do. So, I accept the limitations of my understanding and try to be content with it. I can always reevaluate later if new evidence comes along.
20. Jacobsen: For the “nature of problems,” this reads as if “the fundamentals of problem-solving.” Can you expand on that, please?
Sepulveda: There are many problems that we can work on and examine individually that share many common features that may not be immediately obvious. For example, when one is driving along a freeway, the actions of you and everyone else may seem too emotional to analyze mathematically. But the same equations used to deduce the safest, most efficient speed, width and curvature of those highways came from observing fluid dynamics.
21. Jacobsen: What would comprise a “universally fair IQ test”? What was the outcome of the project?
Sepulveda: Most IQ tests have fundamental flaws the skew the data they gather. Multiple choice problems give someone the chance to boost their scores by guessing and many problems rely on personal experience to understand (especially on verbal tests). Many test designers try to level the field by allowing the use of reference material. But this should not be allowed or required to do well on a valid test. After several relatively long conversations on the subject, I designed one that fit my harsh requirements – X’s and O’s (link provided here).
22. Jacobsen: Are reframing in a survivor and positive manner rarer than one in which an individual can become cynical and take an at-odds with the world stance?
Sepulveda: It’s hard to say. I can’t speak for others, especially those I don’t know. And statistics (which claim that one in two people live with some level of trauma) are only as reliable as the honesty of the reports they’re founded on. Given how many cases go unreported, this ratio is likely steeped out of our favor. And this implies that many of the people we see on a daily basis are living fairly civil lives despite the burden they carry. So it likely isn’t as rare at all.
23. Jacobsen: What is your step-father’s – not father’s – role in your life?
Sepulveda: You could think of us like coworkers with a shared goal of ensuring my mother’s happiness. We don’t spend much one-on-one time together, but we share a mutual respect and know that we can rely on each other in times of need. Which is all I could ask for.
24. Jacobsen: What other aspects of the university system make sense?
Sepulveda: It makes sense to charge someone for the opportunity to learn a practical skill or trade and it comes as no surprise that many colleges focus on medicine, business and criminal justice. Such things cannot be automated and produce much more valuable results than undergoing the same process to study subjects like poetry or music.
25. Jacobsen: What would be a healthy change for the university system?
Sepulveda: I believe that all necessary changes are already occurring naturally. Many people are reevaluating the value they place on secondary education and most are avoiding pointless degrees and most colleges focus.
26. Jacobsen: What is an alternative to the academic system for those who find this does not work for them financially, educationally, or organizationally?
Sepulveda: The best alternative that I’m aware of is Khan University. It’s a free online platform from which one can receive the exact same quality education offered by most colleges.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] World Genius Directory.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-one; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Background and Intelligence (Part One) [Online].June 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-one.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, June 1). An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Background and Intelligence (Part One). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-one.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Background and Intelligence (Part One). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, June. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-one>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Background and Intelligence (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-one.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Background and Intelligence (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (June 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-one.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Background and Intelligence (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-one>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Background and Intelligence (Part One)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-one.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Background and Intelligence (Part One).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):June. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-one>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Anthony Sepulveda on Background and Intelligence (Part One) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/sepulveda-one.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,764
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Claus Volko is an Austrian computer and medical scientist who has conducted research on the treatment of cancer and severe mental disorders by conversion of stress hormones into immunity hormones. This research gave birth to a new scientific paradigm which he called “symbiont conversion theory”: methods to convert cells exhibiting parasitic behaviour to cells that act as symbionts. In 2013 Volko, obtained an IQ score of 172 on the Equally Normed Numerical Derivation Test. He is also the founder and president of Prudentia High IQ Society, a society for people with an IQ of 140 or higher, preferably academics. He discusses: Philosophy; ethical philosophy; non-religious or without religious affiliation in Austria; religions; Critical Rationalism; principle of Falsifiability; classical liberalism of John Stuart Mill; John Locke, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrick August von Hayek; strengths and weaknesses of classical liberalism, socialism, fascism, and conservatism; liberalism against Marxist socialism and Plato’s totalitarianism; a critical rationalist approaching a problem; John Locke; Ludwig von Mises; Friedrich August von Hayek; me counterexamples to the given existence statements and universal statements; classical liberal ideals; and moving the dial further towards classical liberal ideals.
Keywords: Claus Volko, Critical Rationalism, ethics, Friedrich Hayek, John Locke, John Stuart Mill, Ludwig von Mises.
An Interview with Claus Volko, M.D. on Ethics and Critical Rationalism: Austrian Computer and Medical Scientist (Part Three)[1],[2]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: This week’s session, I want to focus on the ending point of Part Two, which dealt with the metaphysical and philosophical questions important to so many in an informal way and salient to an extreme niche of studious people in a formal manner. To rake the leaves here, some softer questions to start us off: What philosophy makes the most sense to you?
Dr. Claus Volko: My father was a fan of Karl Popper and thought that Popper’s philosophy was the only one worth spending time with. I share a similar preference for Popper over other philosophers. Popper tried to come up with a rational epistemic methodology that follows the laws of logic, and he also applied it to political philosophy.
2. Jacobsen: What ethical philosophy makes the most sense to you?
Volko: I have dealt quite a bit with political philosophy during my student years and I prefer the political philosophy of classical liberalism over others such as socialism, conservatism and fascism. Classical liberalism is about freedom from force enacted by the government. The
government shall be minimal and only take care of the protection of life and property. Karl Popper was also a liberal philosopher. He wrote “The Open Society and Its Enemies” in which he defended liberalism against Marxist socialism and Plato’s totalitarianism.
3. Jacobsen: You are non-religious or without religious affiliation in Austria. Do you believe in a god or gods? If so, why so? If not, why not?
Volko: For me god is a metaphor for laws governing the universe that we know or do not know of. So if I write “Thank God” it is not that I am thinking of a person but it is a phrase to signify that something good happened, perhaps by chance, perhaps by reason.
4. Jacobsen: As a non-religious person, why be non-religious when so many religions offer sustenance for so many in their emotional, ethical, social, and intellectual lives?
Volko: For me religions do not offer anything but restriction in my thinking.
5. Jacobsen: What relates the social, political, economic, and ethical philosophies for you?
Volko: Karl Popper called his philosophy “Critical Rationalism”. I would also say that my approach is a rationalist one. I try to investigate everything analytically and back up my stances with reason.
6. Jacobsen: Your emphasis on Karl Popper is interesting to me. It’s important for a number of reasons. One of those is the principle of Falsifiability. If something can be proposed as a theory about the world, then it should provide a means by which to show a condition under which the theory would fail. What kinds of hypotheses would fall under this? What types of theories would not?
Volko: From a strictly logical point of view only universal statements fall under this, but not existence statements. Existence statements can be proven by providing an example, while it is extremely difficult to disprove them. By contrast, to universal statements Popper’s principle applies. You cannot prove a universal statement, but it is enough to provide a single counterexample to disprove a universal statement. Popper was of the opinion that scientific knowledge is preliminary and therefore science should restrain itself to making only statements that can be falsified if a counterexample is found.
7. Jacobsen: Are we speaking of the classical liberalism of John Stuart Mill? If others, who?
Volko: John Locke, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrick August von Hayek – there are several big names.
8. Jacobsen: What seem like the inherent strengths and weaknesses of classical liberalism, socialism, fascism, and conservatism?
Volko: These ideologies have different goals. Classical liberalism wants to maximize freedom from force by the state, socialism emphasizes equality, fascism tries to create a totalitarian state that controls everything (the opposite of classical liberalism), and conservatism is about stability and keeping up societal hierarchies.
9. Jacobsen: In Popper’s text mentioned, what were some of the defences put forward for liberalism against Marxist socialism and Plato’s totalitarianism?
Volko: The open society welcomes foreigners and integrates them into society. By means of democratic elections the government can be ousted and replaced by a more capable government. Popper essentially criticizes Marx and Plato for being enemies of freedom.
10. Jacobsen: In a Critical Rationalism, what is the mode of thinking there? In that, what is the process of a critical rationalist approaching a problem?
Volko: In general the approach is rational, based on facts and logical thinking rather than sentiments. However, the critical rationalist is also aware that rationalism is limited and that it is itself based on the irrational assumption that rational thinking is superior to emotional feeling.
11. Jacobsen: Naturally, I am lead to ask in succession. Why John Locke?
Volko: He is the author of Two Treatises of Government and generally considered the father of classical liberalism.
12. Jacobsen: Why Ludwig von Mises?
Volko: He is the author of Human Action and very influential in the libertarian community.
13. Jacobsen: Why Friedrich August von Hayek?
Volko: He was a Nobel Prize winning economist who wrote The Road to Serfdom. Like with Mises, many in the libertarian community identify with him.
14. Jacobsen: What some counterexamples to the given existence statements and universal statements, so as to show how this process works?
Volko: A universal statement is: “All ravens are black”. An existential statement is: “There is a white raven”. These two statements contradict each other. By proving the existential statement, the universal statement is disproven, and vice versa, though proving the universal statement and disproving the existential statement is very difficult.
15. Jacobsen: What states best represent classical liberal ideals now?
Volko: This question is difficult to answer, mostly because of my limited experience. Economically, small principalities such as Liechtenstein might come close to classical liberalism. Regarding personal freedom, there are limitations to it all around the world, but of course in the Western democracies people enjoy more personal freedom than in the People’s Republic of China and other dictatorships.
16. Jacobsen: Following from the last question, how could those states move the dial further towards classical liberal ideals of Mill, von Mises, von Hayek, Locke, and others?
Volko: By adopting laws that grant freedom and abolishing laws that limit it.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Austrian Computer and Medical Scientist.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-three; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Claus Volko, M.D. on Ethics and Critical Rationalism: Austrian Computer and Medical Scientist (Part Three) [Online].June 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-three.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, June 1). An Interview with Claus Volko, M.D. on Ethics and Critical Rationalism: Austrian Computer and Medical Scientist (Part Three). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-three.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Claus Volko, M.D. on Ethics and Critical Rationalism: Austrian Computer and Medical Scientist (Part Three). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, June. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-three>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Claus Volko, M.D. on Ethics and Critical Rationalism: Austrian Computer and Medical Scientist (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-three.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Claus Volko, M.D. on Ethics and Critical Rationalism: Austrian Computer and Medical Scientist (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (June 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-three.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Claus Volko, M.D. on Ethics and Critical Rationalism: Austrian Computer and Medical Scientist (Part Three)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-three>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Claus Volko, M.D. on Ethics and Critical Rationalism: Austrian Computer and Medical Scientist (Part Three)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-three.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Claus Volko, M.D. on Ethics and Critical Rationalism: Austrian Computer and Medical Scientist (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):June. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-three>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Claus Volko, M.D. on Ethics and Critical Rationalism: Austrian Computer and Medical Scientist (Part Three) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/volko-three.
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Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 23.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 1,448
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Guillermo Alejandro Escárcega Pliego is the Founder of the Hall of Sophia. He discusses: economics; capitalism; monarchy; god; science; God’s law; meaning in life; making sense of the worldview; absolute monarchy; “turbo capitalism”; Matthew 22:37 and Mark 12:31; insufficiency of science for the truth; definition of God; God’s law some more; being in peace with the Creator of the universe; belief in individuals going against God as angry at God; religion as the only way to understand God; all positive religions leading to God; Moses as the one reflecting God’s law; intelligence as disconnected from belief, or not, in a god; and the ease of Facebook as a platform.
Keywords: capitalism, economics, God, Guillermo Alejandro Escárcega Pliego, religion.
An Interview with Guillermo Alejandro Escárcega Pliego on Philosophies, Religion, and God: Founder, Hall of Sophia (Part Three)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What economic system makes the most sense to you? Why?
Guillermo Alejandro Escarcega Pliego: Capitalism because is the only economic system in which someone can prosper.
2. Jacobsen: What social system makes the most sense to you? Why?
Pliego: Capitalism, since is the only social system in which everyone has the same opportunity to exchange goods.
3. Jacobsen: What political system makes the most sense to you? Why?
Pliego: Monarchy, it’s the only way to get rid of the corruption of democracy.
4. Jacobsen: Do you believe in a God, gods, or not, or remain uncertain about the matter entirely?
Pliego: Yes, I do.
5. Jacobsen: What scientific topic remains the most exciting to you?
Pliego: I don’t find science interesting at all to be honest.
6. Jacobsen: What ethical system makes the most sense to you? Why?
Pliego: I believe in God so I try to follow his law even though I sometimes fail.
7. Jacobsen: What is the meaning of life to you? Or what are the meanings of life to you?
Pliego: Life has several meanings, the most important meaning of all is to be in peace with God.
8. Jacobsen: How do these various points of contact – “makes the most sense” – come together into a knit blanket of worldview? A way to make sense of the world in a way that, to you, “makes the most sense.”
Pliego: I think that it would be hard for the readers of this interview to understand my worldview with the few things I wrote but I will say that it makes sense a lot.
9. Jacobsen: Any particular form of monarchy as a replacement for “the corruption of democracy” that appeals more than others to you?
Pliego: Absolute Monarchy.
10. Jacobsen: What styles or forms of Capitalism make the most sense socially and economically to you, as various flavours have been proposed of it?
Pliego: Turbo Capitalism.
11. Jacobsen: What other meanings of life – well – mean the most to you?
Pliego: “Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’”
Matthew 22:37
And
‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
Mark 12:31
12. Jacobsen: Why isn’t science interesting to you?
Pliego: Because the paradigm that proposes has nothing to do with the truth.
13. Jacobsen: How do you define God?
Pliego: As the creator of the Universe and everything in it.
14. Jacobsen: How do you – or how does he – define “his law”?
Pliego: Basically his law are the rules he give us to live a good life.
15. Jacobsen: How do you fail to follow God’s law, whether on principle or in practice?
Pliego: It’s simple when you commit a sin – such as gluttony you are failing to follow his law.
16. Jacobsen: Why is “the most important meaning of all… to be in peace with God”?
Pliego: It’s simple if you are in peace with the creator of the universe you are in peace with you and the rest of the world.
17. Jacobsen: Any other principles or premises in its presentation so far to provide for framework or contextualization of it?
Pliego: I believe most people are mad at God because they don’t have the life they want so the only way to live a happy life is to being in peace with what he decided.
18. Jacobsen: Any thoughts on religion?
Pliego: Religion no matter which is the way to understand what God want from us and his plan for us.
19. Jacobsen: Of the religions on offer, what ones seem most in alignment with the presentation of the belief in God and his law stated before to you?
Pliego: All religions lead to God except for the negative one of course.
20. Jacobsen: Do any particular holy figures, prophets, or religious texts help elucidate the mind and morality of this God for you? (And thank you for sharing personal beliefs, here, by the way.)
Pliego: Moses.
21. Jacobsen: For many within the high-IQ communities, they have a wide array of belief systems from atheism to agnosticism to monotheism, polytheism, and the like. Any speculations on the correlations between different standard segmentations of the high-IQ communities and various forms of religious and non-religious, theistic and non-theistic, beliefs held by them?
Pliego: I don’t think having a higher or lower I.Q. dictates if you are a theist or an atheist.
I think that being a theist or an atheist depends of the personal experiences one has had in his life.
22. Jacobsen: Facebook can give an easy platform for the communities if one wants to join them, as in the Hall of Sophia – as so many use social media and allowing the shy or introverted smart to more readily engage on these platforms. What makes Hall of Sophia a good platform for easy engagement?
Pliego: The reason is simple, almost everyone already uses Facebook running the Hall of Sophia through Facebook allows me and allows the rest of the members of the society to interact without any platform problems.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Hall of Sophia.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pliego-three; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
*High range testing (HRT) should be taken with honest skepticism grounded in the limited empirical development of the field at present, even in spite of honest and sincere efforts. If a higher general intelligence score, then the greater the variability in, and margin of error in, the general intelligence scores because of the greater rarity in the population.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Jacobsen S. An Interview with Guillermo Alejandro Escárcega Pliego on Philosophies, Religion, and God (Part Three) [Online].June 2020; 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pliego-three.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Jacobsen, S.D. (2020, June 1). An Interview with Guillermo Alejandro Escárcega Pliego on Philosophies, Religion, and God (Part Three). Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pliego-three.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. An Interview with Guillermo Alejandro Escárcega Pliego on Philosophies, Religion, and God (Part Three). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A, June. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pliego-three>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2020. “An Interview with Guillermo Alejandro Escárcega Pliego on Philosophies, Religion, and God (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pliego-three.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott “An Interview with Guillermo Alejandro Escárcega Pliego on Philosophies, Religion, and God (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.A (June 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pliego-three.
Harvard: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Guillermo Alejandro Escárcega Pliego on Philosophies, Religion, and God (Part Three)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pliego-three>.
Harvard, Australian: Jacobsen, S. 2020, ‘An Interview with Guillermo Alejandro Escárcega Pliego on Philosophies, Religion, and God (Part Three)‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.A., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pliego-three.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Scott D. Jacobsen. “An Interview with Guillermo Alejandro Escárcega Pliego on Philosophies, Religion, and God (Part Three).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.A (2020):June. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pliego-three>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. An Interview with Guillermo Alejandro Escárcega Pliego on Philosophies, Religion, and God (Part Three) [Internet]. (2020, June 23(A). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/pliego-three.
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Author: Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson
Numbering: Issue 23.B, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Nineteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 1, 2020
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 5,644
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
The Evolved Self (University of Ottawa Press, in press) is an eclectic examination of the self that includes: philosophy and theory, cross-cultural materials, a qualitative study mapping individual selves, and pragmatics aimed at not just improving, but uniting schools of psychotherapy. In providing an academic assessment for the publisher, one anonymous reviewer summarized:
While many of the significant books in the area have been cited as source material—in psychology and philosophy—I have not read a book that has attempted theory development in this manner. It is a very interesting synthesis and its use of qualitative interviews with abstract theory is an excellent one. Finally, the application of the theory to clinical practice introduces a pragmatic element often neglected…
This article reviews the salient aspects of researching the book and places it into its own historical context. Using elemental units of culture, the book maps the selves of individuals who were not in therapy and contrasts those with the self-maps of clients who were in psychotherapy for trauma and suicidality. These qualitative exemplars are embedded within a rich discussion of the concept of the self as presented in philosophy, psychology and cross-cultural literature. Aboriginal, humanist, and selves as modified through participation in sports are examined along with two selves from outside North America. Application of the method of self-mapping to counselling and psychotherapy is explored from the lens of client empowerment. A disciplinary paradigm is proposed uniting major schools of psychotherapy.
Keywords: self, memes, aboriginality, humanism, psychotherapy, identity
A Pre-publication review of The Evolved Self: Mapping an understanding of who we are[A],[B]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
There is a self-help industry built on the notion of becoming the person you “were meant to be,” but who is the “you” at the core of such striving? In The Evolved Self I attempt to answer that question by drawing on philosophy, psychology, multicultural tradition, and original research. I develop an argument that the self at the core of who we are is a culturally evolved mental structure that underwent significant change as recently as 3,000 years ago allowing for conscious individual volition, a sense of uniqueness, and the idea that there exists a reality separate from one’s subjective understandings. The evolution of this “modern self” initiated tensions between collectivism and individualism that remain with us to this day. Core to this work are maps of selves of individuals from both individualist and collectivist cultures, some of whom were in psychotherapy at the time of the mapping and some who were not, and they represented three genders from four countries.[1]The Evolved Self begins with a discussion of the case study that prompted this research and it ends with suggested applications to the field of psychology. In-between, it summarizes the self as understood in Western philosophy, in major schools of psychology, and in selected collectivist cultures before reviewing my doctoral research into mapping the self.
Identifying the Issue: A Case Study
Without realizing it, I began writing this book at the turn of the century after accepting a re-referral from another therapist. “Suzie” had previously attempted suicide on five occasions and she was not yet eighteen. Her initial therapist said she had been compliant with treatment but remained “high-risk” after nearly two years of cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) coupled with antidepressant medication. I administered a standardized assessment instrument and confirmed that she was still “high risk” for suicide with elevated scores for low self-esteem, anger, suicide ideation and depression. A clinical interview revealed contributing traumatic childhood events coupled with a dysfunctional family culture.
Since CBT has proven efficacy with underlying conditions associated with suicidal behaviour and since the client-therapist relationship contributes to its effectiveness (Warwar & Greenberg, 2000), I decided to start with this therapy even though it had been used by the previous therapist. Despite Suzie’s compliance with “homework assignments” and cognitive reframing of some of her salient experiences, she showed little progress. Borrowing from narrative therapy (Gubrium & Holstein, 1998) I had her retell her “story” with suggested amendments to engender hope and positive possibilities, but her emotional progress was short-lived. Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (Devilly & Spence, 1999) was used to deal with specific instances of childhood trauma, but again, she suffered relapse. I was running out of tools in my therapeutic toolkit, and I needed to invent something new. I suggested we co-construct a map of her self to find the blockage to treatment.
The idea that we can map cultural elements that form a self flows from the well-established notion that the self is a cultural construct (Blustein & Noumair, 1996; Mead, 1934/2003; Shotter, 1997). Fortuitously, Dawkins (1976) had named such elemental units “memes,” which he said exhibit attractive and repellent properties on each other. Blackmore (1999) suggested the self consisted of an interlocking collection of such memes. If such a structure existed, it could logically be mapped. We identified units of culture Suzie had internalized as part of her self-definition; explored connotative, affective and behavioural characteristics of such memes that mimicked internal forces of attraction; and, we co-constructed ways of changing aspects of Suzie’s self starting with memes that were most accessible to intervention.
The method used to map Suzie’s self along with maps showing the youth’s progress are detailed in a case study (Robertson, 2011) and they form the basis of the first chapter of my new book (Robertson, 2020). It was not that the mapping process supplanted earlier interventions, but that the visual representations supplemented them allowing for more efficacious processing. Using her map for reference, Suzie was able to expand her worldview to include an emphasis on social justice. She challenged ineffective and obsessive cognitions by routing her thoughts along alternative pathways. She began to see herself as an activating agent capable of dealing with unfortunate circumstances replacing a plot of ineffective victimhood and dependency. I decided more research was needed to understand this self that Suzie was able to effectively change, and the process by which such change may be understood.
Philosophical, Psychological and Cross-cultural Review
The first millennium before the Common Era (BCE) saw the great religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, and Judaism evolve into being with Christianity and Islam offshoots of Judaism (Jaspers, 1951; Mahoney, 1991). The Evolved Self sets this development into a psycho-historical context and, in the process, explains what I was intuitively attempting to accomplish with respect to the suicidal youth.
Following his analysis of early Greek literature, Jaynes (1976) concluded that pre-Homeric Greeks were unable to exercise self-agency. After his examination of ancient Egyptian and Greek writing Johnson (2003) concluded, “Beliefs and minds did not begin to exist until…the Greek cultural world invented the notion of objective, constant truth and began using that notion to assess…the truth of statements and actions” (108, 109). Operating like Blackmore’s (1999) “meme machines,” human beings before the first millennium relied on imitating pre-programmed cultural responses to triggering events. In my book, I argue that cultural mutations to the self represented a cognitive program that includes a capacity for objective beliefs, individual volition, and internally consistent thought, and that program is now transmitted to our children in the process of child rearing and education, but with limitations – we do not want them to be too independent. The development of the great religions may be viewed as a similar means to restricting feared excesses of individualism and preserving the collectivity. Thus, much of the philosophical and religious thought flowing from this Axial Age dealt with concepts such as justice, humanity and temperance along with the subjugation of the individual to the collective will.
With the evolved self, Greek philosophy and science flowered based on the idea that there is a reality independent of our perceptions that we can come to know through careful observation and reason. The subsequent Christian view that human reasoning is faulty and true knowledge is divinely inspired led to the subjugation of the self to ecclesiastical authority. The European Enlightenment of the 17th century did not invent the self, it made the individualism already inherent in its structure into a good. This emancipation of the self led directly to the scientific revolution that is still with us today.
This emancipated self is not without its detractors. Religion continues to promote submission and post-modernism disparages our attempts to approximate reality. Heidegger (1962), the leading post-modernist philosopher of the twentieth century, described science and intelligence as degenerate with what passes for truth dependent on contextual interpretation. His answer to the resultant relativism that a few humans are “Dasein” and are equipped to lead the masses because only they have “an understanding of the Being of all entities of a character other than its own” (Heidegger, 1962, p. 34). This echoes the Jesuit teachings that Heidegger experienced as youth that subjugated the self to God or his proxies.
In The Evolved Self, I argue that the struggle between collectivism and individualism are not so much at the societal level, but occur primarily within each person’s self. Each of us has the capacity, even the necessity, for both. As a spandrel to this evolution we have the capacity for a limited form of free will. We exist at two Vygotskian levels (Vygotsky, 1939, 1986). For the most part we remain the determined beings of our history as a species; however, with hard work and a culturally evolved method with proven efficacy, we have the capacity to rise above our genes and memes. Hard determinists believe that even at this level antecedent factors determine outcome (DiCarlo, 2010). Despite this difference, I am grateful Dr. DiCarlo saw enough merit in this work to offer the following endorsement:
Lloyd Hawkeye Robertson’s book offers an interesting and insightful new perspective on explorations of the self and the integration of that analysis with the pragmatic intention for psycho-therapeutic use. By examining the contributing factors that define us as ‘selves’, Robertson connects the dots between evolution, culture, the concept of free will, and the goals of counselling and therapy. His use of memetic self-maps in relation to varying psychological perspectives of the self offers unique insights into novel therapeutic approaches.
- Christopher DiCarlo, author of So You Think You Can Think: Tools for Having Intelligent Conversations and Getting Along, and How To Become A Really Good Pain in the Ass: A Critical Thinker’s Guide to Asking the Right Questions.
Taking a somewhat different view on the subject of free will than fellow philosopher DiCarlo, Dennett (1991) concluded that memes provide “thinking tools” that allow for self-definition and human consciousness. From this perspective, I was teaching Suzie the thinking tools she needed to change her self-definition.
All current major schools of psychology would have endorsed a similar change effort aimed at empowering the client to change her self (Robertson, 2017a).[2] Freud’s project of psychoanalysis involved rescuing the poor ego from the cultural oppression of the superego and the genetic determinism of the id and is compatible with the compatibilist[3] views of Dennett (1995, 1996). Alfred Adler (1927/1957, 1929) recognized that the child is determined in his formative years and that the family constellation, in particular, determines one’s future worldview; however, he held one could change that worldview if one understood the determining inputs and considered alternatives. Rational emotive and cognitive behavioural therapists (David & Szentagotai, 2006; Dryden, Neenan, & Yankura, 2001; Ellis & Harper, 1997) view most mental health problems to be the result of irrational beliefs which can be changed, and that cognitive processing difficulties that lead to unwanted behavioural outcomes can be challenged. This group of psychotherapies takes a realist view – that there is an objective reality which the client must approximate to function well.
There is a second group of psychotherapies that takes a postmodern approach with the implication that a client can become anything to which they aspire. Constructivists would suggest that if a client is unhappy with their self, construct a better one. Taking a somewhat more nuanced view that we both create and are created by culture, social constructionists Martin and Sugarman (2001) suggested that with “appropriation and internalization, and the thinking and understanding they enable, the individual’s mode of being is transformed from one of prereflective activity to one in which reflective, intentional agency is possible” (p. 105). Narrative therapists view the self to be a story we tell with the plot dependent on context and purpose (Ochberg, 1996; White, 1993).
Readers will note that I used therapies from both realist and postmodernist camps in my treatment of the suicidal youth. I believe this eclecticism is possible because our clients possess an innate sense of the objective. We cannot choose just any self, it has to “feel right” otherwise we have the sense we are merely play acting or worse, fooling ourselves. The inherent problem with postmodernism manifests itself more at the societal level than at the level of psychotherapy. When narrative therapist Tom Strong (2002) described science as a “White, male way of knowing” and that “truth” is something arrived at through the “discourse of knowledgeable people” (p. 3), he was supporting a discourse that dissolves society into competing identity groups each with their own “Daseins” whom they authoritatively reference to support and enforce their worldviews. Despite this difference of opinion, Dr. Strong kindly gave my work the following endorsement:
Lloyd Robertson has developed a powerful and useful method for reflecting upon self-understanding. Exploring the concept of memes as developmental resources in self-making, through a creative approach to meme-mapping, he has developed a welcomed resource for counsellors and educators. Readers seeking new ways to join others in exploring identity development and self-making possibilities will especially treasure Robertson’s ideas and approach to mapping the memetic self.
- Tom Strong is Professor Emeritus University of Calgary and author of Medicalizing counselling: Issues and tensions
The self as defined here is a representational construct (Harre, 1984; Lock, 1981/1990; Mead, 1912/1990) consisting of units of culture (Blackmore, 1999; Donald, 2001; Price, 1999). We need to also consider the possibility that the conceptualization of the self that has been the basis of psychotherapy is ethnocentric having the effect of exporting Euro-American values such as individuality and self-volition to indigenous cultures worldwide (Adair, 2006; Christopher & Hickinbottom, 2008). The self in modern western cultures is often pictured as self-contained, independent, volitional and materialistic while the self in collectivist cultures is described as contextual, interdependent, community orientated and spiritual (Cushman, 1995; Robertson, 2014).
A stable conscious self is considered evidence of a noncorporeal entity or soul inhabiting a material body in much religious belief. The secularization of Euro-American culture resulted in the splitting self from the soul (Taylor, 1989), and it would be this separation of the two that is exported. The Buddhist doctrine of no-self necessitated such a splitting two millennia before the European Enlightenment with the result that the soul that is reincarnated is a non-sentient life force. Buddhism was exported, and in The Evolved Self, I noted that Buddhist missionaries encountered the self in every culture they visited.
My chapter on the self in collectivist societies references studies from Asia, the Middle East, Africa and southern Europe; however, the largest amount of attention involves three nations or peoples that are aboriginal to North America. I take a scientific and materialist approach which will be controversial in some aboriginal communities. Despite this, indigenous psychiatrist Dr. Mehl-Madrona found sufficient merit to offer this endorsement:
Dr. Robertson presents a fascinating exposition on the concept of self in relation to mainstream and indigenous concepts. He reviews concepts from Western philosophy, major schools of psychology, and the cross-cultural experience of the self in both collectivist and individualist cultures. He draws a diverse sample of eleven selves representing three genders whom he maps and analyzes, grouping them into clusters: 1) North American selves built through participation in sports; 2) selves centered on notions of North American aboriginality; 3) selves of individuals following a secular humanist paradigm; and 4) selves from China and Russia. He proposes a hypothesis that a healthy or functional self is composed of fundamental elements including constancy, volition, uniqueness, productivity, intimacy, and social interest. His work is original and inspiring and can lead us to better understanding of how we come to believe in who we are.
- Lewis Mehl-Madrona is Associate Professor, Family Medicine, University of New England and author of Remapping Your Mind: The Neuroscience of Self-Transformation through Story (with Barbara Mainguy) and Coyote Medicine: Lessons from Native American Healing
Method and Results of this Research into Self-mapping
The practice of psychotherapy is often more of an art than a science, and so it was with the mapping exercise used with the suicidal youth. At the time, it was not possible to say how her initial self-map compares with those not in treatment. The method of qualitative research used in this qualitative sample also used the meme as the fundamental unit of the self. Memes sharing connotative, emotive or behavioural valence were considered to be attracted to each other and a line or edge was drawn connecting the two. Each meme was given a referent word or phrase that was taken to include individualized connotative, emotive and behavioural meaning. Drawing on the experience of mapping the suicidal youth Suzie, themes were represented by rectangles. Readers will recall “Depressed person” was an initial theme in Suzie’s self and we co-constructed and supported a second core theme, “Human rights.” A methodological change was also made in the way memes were identified. Instead of asking the subject to create lists of self-identifiers such as “name ten persons you are” as was used with the youth, I decided to allow these research participants to narrate a personal story of who they were. Participants were given an invitation to explain who they were, and were prompted to elaborate. These narratives were transcribed and each segment was coded using a qualitative software package. Segments with the same referent word were placed in a “bin” to be compared with all other segments with the same coding. Only those referents that satisfied the definition of the meme were included in the participant’s self-map. Those memes that had more codings in their “bin” were taken to be more central to the person’s self.
The sample of eleven volunteers included five men, five women, and one transsexual person who identified as a third gender. The racial composition included seven Caucasians, two people of North American aboriginal ancestry, one Chinese, and one person whose mother was aboriginal and father was “white” who identified herself as simply “Canadian.” The self-maps were co-constructed in three sessions per participant over a nine month period.
One to two self-maps are presented for each of these participants in The Evolved Self along with an edited version of each person’s narrative. A majority (7) of the participants said their maps reflected accurately who they were on viewing the first attempt. At the end of the process all but one reported such resonance.
All eleven self-maps evidenced volition, constancy, distinctness, productivity, intimacy, social interest and feeling. The feeling component, beyond the emotive element included in the definition of the meme, was unanticipated. As a result of this development, the structure of the mapped selves was revised to include an emotive and psychological characteristics component at the base of self-maps that could trigger various aspects of the self represented by meme clusters. This meant there were two routes to triggering a particular presentation of the self, 1) the long reflective route of proceeding meme by meme to a location within the self, and 2) the almost instantaneous triggering of the same location through emotion. In The Evolved Self, I describe this system as a small world network as has been developed in Graph Theory (Robertson & McFadden, 2018; Watts & Strogatz, 1998).
The three people from collectivist cultures in this sample had the same basic structure to their self-maps as those from individualist North American cultures. A possible cultural difference involving emphasis surfaced with respect to one participant from China.
“Maomao” described herself as a “robot” awaiting the command of others, most often her parents. Her self-map illustrated a volitional-active cluster and a deferent-family cluster with the deferent cluster more highly developed. She experimented with making her own decisions concluding that it takes too much time and energy to adequately research possible choices. She decided being a robot was a preferred way to live. Maomao’s volitional-active cluster still functioned to the degree that she had to choose the authorities to which she would defer, and she felt resentment when they made decisions for her she did not like. Maomao may not be representative of her culture. A recent study of 2,299 Chinese adolescents revealed that 85% associated free will with their own subjective well-being (Li, Wang, Zhao, Kong, & Li, 2016).
Discussion
The example of Maomao, who was raised to deny a volitional self, belies the relativistic notion that self-attributes like volition and uniqueness are culturally dependent. While she preferred to not act volitionally, she continued to have that capacity, supporting a hypothesis that feelings of volition, uniqueness and constancy are consequences of having a self, and that while cultures and religions may attempt to repress these attributes, they cannot be eliminated entirely.
All of the participants in this study recalled transitions leading to self-change that were evolutionary in nature. If the self is malleable, and if clients recognize the reality of self-change, then planned transitions are possible.
As a result of this research the mapping process was amended to include emotional triggers and psychological characteristics in addition to the meme structure thus extending the model. The research participants supported the view of Quinn (2006) who argued that a purely cognitive self was insufficient and that a comprehensive view of the self would include physical, biological, psychological, social, and cultural characteristics. A case study of the use of this improved memetic self-map to treat a client with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is included in The Evolved Self.
If a therapist can successfully introduce new memes to the self of a client in the course of treatment, then it is conceivable that outside memes may be introduced to the self unbidden and those memes could thereby act in a viral fashion. The concept of the mind virus has been introduced elsewhere (Berman, 2006; Dawkins, 2006; Ray, 2009; Robertson, 2017b), and therapists should be aware of the possibility. This concept is explored further in the final chapter of The Evolved Self.
As discussed earlier, this method of mapping the self has been demonstrated compatibility with CBT, Adlerian psychotherapy and narrative therapy. I believe that the evolutionary model of the self outlined here has led to a common paradigm across schools of psychology and that paradigm is elaborated in my book. As a result of that paradigm, we all attempt to teach clients to have volitional and meaningful selves with a sense of uniqueness and constancy as first suggested by William James (1890, 1892/2003). If this is correct, then the method of mapping described here should be compatible with all schools of psychotherapy. Two methods of generating the memes needed in self-mapping are described in The Evolved Self. As a second anonymous reviewer of this work kindly said:
Readers generally will be interested in how language shapes and limits our self-definitions. Psychotherapists will be interested in applying memetic self-mapping to counselling and therapy helping their clients become the author of their own transformative change.
The mapping technique developed lends itself to the practice of psychotherapy, but The Evolved Self is primarily a theoretical text with general application to applied psychology. Teela Joanne Robertson, a psychotherapist who has used memetic self-mapping in her practise (and who is also my daughter), and I are co-authoring a companion manual that will give practical guidance in assisting professionals who wish to use this method in their work.
Memetic self-mapping has application to all fields interested in the structure of the self. As has been demonstrated, the method owes much of its development to philosophy. It would also be of interest to social workers who are doing counselling, indeed, it can be seen as an elaboration of the social work technique of eco-mapping (Hartman, 1995; Vodde & Giddings, 2000). The method will also be of interest to fields that regularly research some aspects of the self such as sociology, anthropology, cross-cultural studies, and gender studies. I have co-authored a book chapter applying the concepts discussed here to adult education (Robertson & Conrad, 2016). My co-author has kindly offered the following endorsement:
Bridging several cultural and educational worlds, Robertson’s work thoroughly and movingly explores the concepts of self and identity from his insightful perspective as a counselling psychologist. Educators as well as practicing psychologists will benefit from his experience and insight. Detailed case studies enliven foundational tenets of counselling and psychotherapy and highlight issues of empowerment, individuality, community, and intimacy.
- Dianne Conrad is the author of Assessment Strategies for Online Learning: Engagement and Authenticity and co-editor of Open(ing) Education: Theory and Practice
The Evolved Self: Mapping an understanding of who we are will be published by University of Ottawa Press September 15, 2020. Pre-orders are available through the U of O Press website at: https://press.uottawa.ca/catalogsearch/result/?q=Lloyd+Hawkeye+Robertson
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Appendix I: Footnotes
[A] Lead Psychologist, Collaborative Centre for Justice and Safety University of Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada.
[B] Individual Publication Date: June 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hawkeye-self; Full Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2020: https://in-sightjournal.com/insight-issues/.
[1] All of the self-maps were prepared while the participants resided in Canada
[2] Classical behaviourists of the mid-twentieth century (Chambless & Goldstein, 1979; Skinner, 1974) were “hard determinists;” however, modern practitioners of behaviour therapy (Wilson, 2014) are virtually indistinguishable from cognitive behaviourists. For a fuller discussion of this see (Robertson, 2017a).
[3]Compatiblism in philosophy is the view that determinism and free will are not mutually exclusive but may co-exist.
Appendix II: Citation Style Listing
American Medical Association (AMA): Robertson L. A Pre-publication review of The Evolved Self: Mapping an understanding of who we are [Online].June 2020; 23(B). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hawkeye-self.
American Psychological Association (APA, 6th Edition, 2010): Robertson, L.H. (2020, June 1). A Pre-publication review of The Evolved Self: Mapping an understanding of who we are. Retrieved from http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hawkeye-self.
Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): ROBERTSON, L. A Pre-publication review of The Evolved Self: Mapping an understanding of who we are. In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.B, June. 2020. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hawkeye-self>.
Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (16th Edition): Robertson, Lloyd. 2020. “A Pre-publication review of The Evolved Self: Mapping an understanding of who we are.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.B. http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hawkeye-self.
Chicago/Turabian, Humanities (16th Edition): Robertson, Lloyd “A Pre-publication review of The Evolved Self: Mapping an understanding of who we are.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. 23.B (June 2020). http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hawkeye-self.
Harvard: Robertson, L. 2020, ‘A Pre-publication review of The Evolved Self: Mapping an understanding of who we are‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.B. Available from: <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hawkeye-self>.
Harvard, Australian: Robertson, L. 2020, ‘A Pre-publication review of The Evolved Self: Mapping an understanding of who we are‘, In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 23.B., http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hawkeye-self.
Modern Language Association (MLA, 7th Edition, 2009): Lloyd H. Robertson. “A Pre-publication review of The Evolved Self: Mapping an understanding of who we are.” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 23.B (2020):June. 2020. Web. <http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hawkeye-self>.
Vancouver/ICMJE: Robertson L. A Pre-publication review of The Evolved Self: Mapping an understanding of who we are [Internet]. (2020, June 23(B). Available from: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/hawkeye-self.
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Confronting Jihadist Narratives and Islam-based Phobias in Nigeria[1],[2]
Introduction
While there has been much talk on insulting the prophet of Islam, there has not bpeen enough focus on Islam based phobias, that is, strands of hatred that draw from Islamic beliefs and practices, texts, and traditions. In this piece, I use the story of Gandoki and some verses from the Quran to highlight some jihadist narratives and phobias. At a time of heated debate over the alleged blasphemous Facebook posts of Mubarak Bala, I argue that imputations of insulting the prophet of Islam are being used to deflate attention and shield Islam-based hateful narratives from critical examination. Claims of making ‘denigrating’ and provoking comments about Islam and its prophet have been advanced to legitimize and sanctify violence and threats of violence from Muslim fanatics
The Story of Gandoki
The story of Gandoki is in modules four, five, and seven of the Macmillan Primary English Course Book Five. This story has been read by generations of Nigerian school pupils. It is about a war chief, Gandoki who “loved fighting” and was “everywhere there was trouble”. Gandoki was a jihadist, and fought battles to promote and defend Islam. The story says that he “took part in every battle which Fulani fought against the unbelievers”. Fulani is one of the ethnic communities in Nigeria and most of them are Muslims. And in Module five, Gandoki told Hambana, his sons and townsmen, “if you follow Islam, I will let you go free. If you don’t follow Islam, I will cut off your heads”.
Now in the question and answer section of the book, the pupils are asked, “What did Gandoki say would happen to them if they didn’t follow Islam”? The children are expected to answer: “He would cut off their heads“. Now imagine, this is a narrative that children between the ages of 7 and 12 are expected to learn, memorize and of course emulate! Then why complain about Islamic fanaticism and bloodletting?
In Module seven, we are told that Gandoki traveled from place to place and taught people about Islam. He said: “I killed those who would not pray to (Allah)God”. That means he massacred infidels-Christians, animists, humanists/atheists, etc. The story further states that when his life came under threat in “the land of Jinn”, Gandoki said he cried “God is great”, that is Allahu Akbar. My sword hung by my right hand, my spear was by my side. I went forward fearless”.
Allah Akbar is an expression of praise to the Islamic God which Muslims chorus at local meetings and at mosques during prayers. Unfortunately, Allahu Akbar has assumed another meaning. It has become an emblem of a holy fight. It has become a war song, a holy war slogan! The story of Gandoki went as far as promoting cannibalism. In Module five, Gandoki narrated his meeting with Gurungun Hamabana: “when Hamabana saw me with my men, he called five of his sons “bring those men here”, he said, pointing towards us, I will have them for my breakfast”. This Jihadist role model for school children asked that humans be brought to him for ‘breakfast’.
Hate and Violence in the Qur’an
In addition, one can identify some patterns of Qur’an based hate. First of all, there is irrational hatred for those who do not believe in the Islamic God, Allah, atheophobia. The Qur’an enjoins Muslims not to make friendship with Jews and Christians” (5:51). As in the Gandoki story, unbelievers are to follow Islam and be free or refuse to follow Islam and have their head chopped off. The Qur’an says, “kill disbelievers wherever we find them” (92:191); murder them and treat them harshly (9:123). The Qur’an further states “fight and slay the pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (9:5). Atheophobia is the reason why apostasy is a crime under sharia. Apostasy is punishable by death. Islam condemns those who disbelieve to hell and describes them as filthy (5:10; 9:28).
An Islam-based phobia is xenophobic, that is, it targets those who come from other faith, belief, or unbelief backgrounds including those who are the other because they draw attention to the other side of Islam and the prophet. There is a layer of Afrophobia in Islamic xenophobia because Islam is rooted in Arab culture and Kaffirizes the other, in this case, the African culture and religion, and the African way of life. That is why conversion to Islam for Africans is a form of Arabization. And Muslim clerics rail against the western lifestyle and the corrupting influence because for them the Arabic Islamic lifestyle is the model, Arabs not Jews are the chosen people.
Furthermore, a strand of hatred embedded in Islamic religion targets those who question, criticize, and challenge Islamic dogmas and doctrines. Zeteticophobia or skepticophobia underlies the idea of blasphemy. Statements that are critical of Islam are framed as an offense and made punishable by death or imprisonment. Blasphemy is a weapon used in legitimizing skepticophobia. Zeteticophobia is more pervasive in the Islamic world and instances abound in these countries including Nigeria, Indonesia, Jordan where the state, as well as nonstate agents, killed or imprisoned those who made statements really or imagined to be blasphemous. Skepticophobes regard statements that are critical of Islam, the prophet or Allah as forms of insult. They take these statements personally and make it their duty to respond or avenge on Allah’s behalf.
Meanwhile, Islam owes its spread and domination in Africa partly to denigrating African religions, and to faulting African cultural beliefs and practices. Muslim preachers promote Islam as a better faith or rather the true religion. They criticize other religions and faiths including christianity. And as noted in the Gandoki story, muslim jihadists have gone to the extent of killing those who refused to embrace Islam. A critical examination of Islamic beliefs, dogmas, and doctrines is necessary to highlight and expunge these hate-filled and violent narratives that have turned many young muslims into merchants of hate, violence, death and destruction.
Appendix I: Footnotes
[1] Founder, Humanist Association of Nigeria; Founder & CEO, Advocacy for Alleged Witches; Convener, Decade of Activism against Witch Persecution in Africa: 2020-2030.
[2] Individual Publication Date: June 1, 2020: http://www.in-sightjournal.com/confronting-jihadist-narratives-and-islam-based-phobias-in-nigeria.
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