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The Greenhorn Chronicles 34: L.J. Tidball on Growth as a Show Jumper, George and Diane Tidball, and Show Jumping (1)













Publisher: In-Sight Publishing

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Location: Fort Langley, Township of Langley, British Columbia, Canada

Journal: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal

Journal Founding: August 2, 2012

Frequency: Three (3) Times Per Year

Review Status: Non-Peer-Reviewed

Access: Electronic/Digital & Open Access

Fees: None (Free)

Volume Numbering: 11

Issue Numbering: 2

Section: E

Theme Type: Idea

Theme Premise: “Outliers and Outsiders”

Theme Part: 27

Formal Sub-Theme: “The Greenhorn Chronicles”

Individual Publication Date: January 1, 2023

Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2023

Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Interviewer(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Interviewee(s): L.J. Tidball

Word Count: 4,498

Image Credits: Anwar Esquivel.

International Standard Serial Number (ISSN): 2369-6885

*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citations, after the interview.*

*Interview conducted December 26, 2022.*


Laura Jane “L.J.” Tidball has been the Manager of Thunderbird Show Stables, an elite hunter and jumper facility, for 20 years. She is a shareholder and contributing partner to Thunderbird Show Park, which has been voted in the top 3 equestrian show facilities in North America. For Show Park, she has been important in advising on top level equine footing, site development plans for capital improvement, and competitor scheduling for National and FEI competitions. She has been competing at the Grand Prix level since 16-years-old. Since winning the Equine Canada medal (1994) and competing on the British Columbia Young Riders’ team (1996), L.J. pursued equestrianism as a career with a fervent passion. Tidball shows multiple mounts of Thunderbird Show Stables and its clients in the hunter and the jumper rings. Through work from the pony hunters onwards with the assistance of Olympian Laura Balisky and Laura’s husband, Brent, L.J. has achieved many years of success in equitation, and the hunters and the jumpers. In 2005, she returned from a successful European tour to operate Thunderbird on a professional basis. She has been awarded the 2014 Leading BCHJA 2014 rider in the FEI World Cup West Coast League Rankings and the 2014 BCHJA Leading Trainer of the Year. In her spare time, her hobbies include baking, skiing, and snowboarding. Tidball discusses: becoming interested in horses and developing a skill set as a show jumper; aunt Laura; intrinsic motivation for the sport; partnership with the horse; independent thought of horses; work ethic; differentiating factors; the safety of the sport; difficult accommodations; a skilled rider or a more naturally gifted horse; Laura the coach; the use of video technology; great women riders; the gender neutrality of the sport and the longevity of the sport; the best in show jumping; the Horse Capital of British Columbia; the industry; greatest improvement in riding skill and style; Florida immersion; and dreams.

Keywords: Beth Underhill, Brent Balisky, Canada, Concetto Son, Denmark, Diane Tidball, Erynn Ballard, George Tidball, Grand Prix, Horse Capital of British Columbia, Ian Millar, Jane Tidball, L.J. Tidball, Langley, Laura Balisky, Milton Friedman, Olympics, Pan-American Games, Queen’s Cup, Sean Jobin, Thunderbird Show Park, Thunderbird Show Stables, World Cup Finals.

The Greenhorn Chronicles 34: L.J. Tidball on Growth as a Show Jumper, George and Diane Tidball, and Show Jumping (1)

Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So, this is an interview with L.J. Tidball from Thunderbird Show Stables. Let’s start from the beginning. What were some of the earlier moments in becoming interested in horses and developing a skill set as a show jumper?

L.J. Tidball: I would say my earliest moments of spending time with horses would have been going all the way back to the lead lines that my grandfather used to take me in. I had a pony named snowball. I used to wear my first set of tall boots and riding hat and show jacket, it was a big deal to have my grandfather lead me out in the lead line class. It is, probably, one of my earlier memories. I was 3 or 4 years old. From there, I grew up watching my aunt Laura Balisky show and compete for everything from the Olympics to the Pan-American Games to the World Cup Finals. I grew up with stars in my eyes with that being my ultimate goal. I went to bed as a 5-year-old dreaming of having a red show jacket. I, definitely, have pursued this as a career from a very young age. I was lucky enough to be able to take my childhood dream and bring it to fruition, which, I think, is rare. I appreciate the opportunities I have had to get to where I am.

Jacobsen: Was there any advice that your aunt Laura gave while you were developing your earlier skill sets?

Tidball: I think, they were very open to the idea that I would do whatever I was going to do with riding. My mom was a downhill ski racer. She always encouraged me to follow my path. She wrote me a letter in Grade 12 saying, “You have to follow and do what you believe is the most important, follow your dreams, and don’t give up.” Laura and Brent supported and encouraged me, but they let it be my own drive. They didn’t say, “You need to do this, this, and this, to get there.” They gave me the tools and expected me to find my own drive and my own will to get to where I wanted to be, which allows you to find your own path. If people are dictating it for you, I don’t think you find the path as easily.

Jacobsen: What do you mark as the intrinsic motivation for the sport for you?

Tidball: Honestly, when I get into it, I love being around animals. I love being close to the horses. The partnership that you have with your horse, when you come to an enormous jump is an incredible feeling. It is an adrenaline high, but it is a partnership at the same time. You are combining finesse, feel, and kindness, with adrenaline and a fierce competitive nature. It is such a unique set of rules that go along with it. I don’t think you can replicate it. It has become a driving force. To walk in the ring and to jump a grand prix, it is why I wake up in the morning, and to train to get there. To make these horses better and to work with your partner to see how far you can go, with that end result always being to get into the big ring and jump that big class.

Jacobsen: How do you build that partnership with the horse? How long does that, typically, take?

Tidball: It can be different. My best horse to date, Concetto Son, was already jumping the 1.60m level when I got him. The previous owner created that partnership with that horse. I took it on and spent as much time as I could with Concetto, whether on the ground, at the stables, or on his back, to try to make him mine. I think the best partnerships are the ones where the riders are bringing the horses along themselves. For sure, that way you know them so well. You know when going into the ring how tight they can turn, how fast they can go and what their limits are, what limits are there. I feel if you take on a partnership a little later. You have to find those things out as you go. Also, you haven’t created the partnership together. I don’t think it is ever quite the same. I think you can win some rounds and some classes, but I don’t think it’s the same as when one comes up through the ranks with you.

Jacobsen: Erynn Ballard, this is 12 months ago, when I knew a lot less, had discussed things with a lot fewer people, and had done fewer interviews. She noted independent thought of horses as a problem, as a factor, in consideration of the sport. In some sense, it is a bi-athlete sport. When I talk to riders, it is entirely true. How do you deal with that level of uncertainty, psychologically speaking?

Tidball: I don’t think this is necessarily uncertainty. As we grow with horses, we tend to know what their indicators are very quickly. I rarely get on a horse and don’t know, whether it is wild that day or a little too quiet, or spooky of a Liverpool or scared of the water jump. You feel those things before they happen. You feel when your horse is not quite with you that day. Even something as simple as a soundness issue, you feel it, immediately. They are our partners. They are our teammates. If I walked in and said, “Hi”, to one of my friends, and if their response was, “Fine, I guess”, I know that they’re not okay that day. The moment you put your foot in the strip, or pat them on the neck. You can feel that. I don’t know if it as much of an uncertainty. To me, it’s knowing your partner, knowing their ins and outs. You know when you can push them and, also, when you can’t. Some horses will never jump a water jump well in their lives. That’s something you have to come to terms with; and the other side, some horses, you think to yourself, “I taught them a, b, and c. So, we can get through that next thing.” They all come out on some days a little different, just like us. Whether something spooks them at the ring or they get upset before even leaving their stall. All of the sudden, they’re spun on that day. So many factors come into play, whether you had a phone call or a bad conversation that day. You have to push through it. You have to know yourself well enough to know what you can set aside, what you’re okay with, and what you’re not okay with.

Jacobsen: If you look at the work ethic 25 years ago compared to now, having that transition from young adulthood to now, do you think there’s been a shift in some of that in this industry?

Tidball: I think the sheer numbers of what we do are higher now. Back in the day, you would be a 2-man show with 5 horses on the road. It wasn’t as much about clients and coaching and buying-and-selling horses. I don’t think the work ethic is different, though. For myself, I know. I work out. I stay fit. I work long hours at my job. I coach. I teach. I go teach clinics. I still compete at this sport at a high level. I don’t know many other athletes in this sport who are not like that, who are not travelling constantly, not working constantly to be better. That don’t have 100% drive to succeed at what they want to do. In my mind, the work ethic has not changed.

Jacobsen: Mac Cone noted George Morris produced the training methodology that has gone around the world. So, there has been an internationalization of that methodology. The breeding programs have been specialized and made very good. What are the differentiating factors, then, at the top level?

Tidball: I think looking at a top level. It is like looking at a top-level NBA player. How many people can make it to the NBA and be that #1 player? You look at Olympians. How many people make it into the 100m sprint or into the soccer team that goes to the World Cup? I think it’s the same for horses. There are a few more who could have made it there, but who had bad luck along the way or were on the wrong training program. I think the elite athletes, whether horses or riders, that it’s the same. You are looking for a top athlete for your partner, the horse. I would say back in the day, when Laura was riding; you could name the top 5 horses in the world at that time. As I said, the numbers have grown. In general, the amount of horses, clients, and people riding has increased. Nowadays, you may not be able to name the top 5, because it is the top 20 or top 30. I think there are many horses that are at that #1 level. That, I would say, is a big change. We are breeding horses to be faster, lighter, and more careful. The technicality of the courses in the sport has changed. So, I think that’s a big part of it.

Jacobsen: Has the safety of the sport changed?

Tidball: [Laughing] Absolutely. There used to not be breakaway cups. We did not even have hard hats with chin straps. You get into the amount of concussions that would have gone on 25 years ago would have been astronomically higher than today. The cups fall down. The jumps are way lighter. Of course, it is still a dangerous sport because you are riding a 1,000-pound animal over a 1.60m jump. That’s never an easy thing to conquer. There have definitely been huge improvements. Also, the courses used to be simpler. It used to be 1 jump, 10 strides to the next jump, and one triple combination. Now, you walk on course. It is bending 5 to the 2-stride to the 4-stride, and it carries on. The technicalities increase so much. I do think the safety has gone up, but the technicality has gone up with it.

Jacobsen: Has the speed gone up?

Tidball: Absolutely.

Jacobsen: Of those factors, what factors do you think are the most difficult to accommodate or adapt to?

Tidball: I am not the fastest rider. I have had fewer horses growing up than some. So, I need to preserve these horses. I need them to last for years, not for a season. The faster that you go. The greater the chances of scaring the horse or getting to a wrong spot because you are pushing the envelope a little more. You’re trying to be the winner every day. Things can go wrong because you’re working at top speeds. The most difficult thing for me to overcome is to be faster. I can jump a clean round and jump a technical track, but to beat Kent Farrington or Tiffany Foster. That’s harder for me to accomplish.

Jacobsen: Do you think it is more important to have a skilled rider or a more naturally gifted horse at this point?

Tidball: I think it’s both. It is a partnership – no matter what. You can have a completely untalented rider on an amazing horse. It will jump a few classes, but, eventually, it will stop succeeding. Because they are sensitive creatures. You can have an incredibly talented rider on an average horse. They might be able to get a bit more than the last person. But they will never make a 1.20m horse into a Grand Prix horse, and a 1.20m rider is never going to jump a 1.60m horse. The two things just don’t work. I always think it is that partnership. You need a great rider and a great horse if you want to be at the top of the sport.

Jacobsen: Did Laura coach you at all?

Tidball: Absolutely.

Jacobsen: How so?

Tidball: Laura always coached with subtleties. It was something small that would make a big difference. One time, I remember riding up to this big oxer. I think it was the Queen’s Cup. She said, “Make sure hind end meets front end before he leaves the ground, so he is pushing evenly off all four legs.” It is not necessarily about “think about where your shoulder is, hand is, or eye level is”. It was always small intricacies that always made a difference. She rode so much off of feel. She had so much natural talent. When she tells me things, it is, usually, something to do with feel, or something to do with a small part of a course. It is never a big lifechanging moment. If I haven’t figured out those big moments by now, having gotten to this level, then I should have paid closer attention [Laughing].

Jacobsen: Sean Jobin noted the use of video technology. Certain biomechanical feedback systems to get a better read on horses with modern technology. Do you think these are more helpful or less helpful for most riders at that level?

Tidball: I, definitely, think going back and watching your videos and being able to see how you performed is good. What you feel and what you see are, sometimes, two different things, you can think that you were leaving at the right spot, but you were a little close. You can go back and watch a video and analyze, and see a horse leaving the ground, if the left front or the right front is lower. It gives you a little bit more information. You are looking for small things, not huge changes.

Jacobsen: One thing, I have noted. Canada is really, really good at producing great women riders. Internationally, and nationally, Canada produces some of the best women riders in the world for show jumping. Why, how?

Tidball: I, actually, don’t really know. I know the way I was raised was to go off and get your dreams. I would say that is biggest thing that has led me to where I am, to be a great woman rider. I grew up in a family where nobody ever told me, “That person is a guy. He is going to be better than you.” All I ever heard. It was, “That person runs fast. You should learn to run faster too.”

Jacobsen: [Laughing].

Tidball: It was never, “But you’re a girl, so you can’t.” My grandparents were amazing that way. So was my mom, it was always about being the best version of yourself. I competed against myself, not really against others. I was always brought up to be the best version of myself, not to be better than so-and-so. For myself, that’s helped me become a top athlete. But I’m not really sure why Canada has so many top women equestrians.

Jacobsen: Show jumping is really a gender-neutral sport. If you are talented and have a good horse, you can go far. Many Canadian women have shown this, clearly, as we noted. Any commentary both on the gender neutrality of the sport and the longevity of the sport? People like Ian Millar were competing into their 70s and going into the Olympics into their 70s.

Tidball: I think show jumping is amazing that way. I love that we compete on an equal level, male and female. I think it’s great. I think it raises, like you said, “Why more female riders than males in Canada coming up?” I think the fact that it is gender neutral. It means you get to compete on an equal playing ground. Athletes in show jumping, we’ve been raised to be equals. It is a pretty incredible thing to be in this sport. I think society today is about equality. We are in a sport where it doesn’t matter. If you have the right horse and are a good rider, you can get to where you want to be.

Jacobsen: The team that went to Denmark was an all-women team.

Tidball: I think that was incredible. I give them such props. I think it’s awesome that we can produce strong athletes, a strong group of female athletes. I think it’s really good.

Jacobsen: Which countries do you think are doing the best in show jumping now?

Tidball: Holland and Belgium, and, probably, France, they have a high number of horses that they are breeding every year. In horse power alone, they have numbers. The U.S. has the population exceeding most of the other countries producing riders. They have that on their side. As Canadians, I think we’ve always been a little bit of an underdog. We’ve always had a smaller group of riders, not as many who jump the 1.60m level. But the ones who do, are good at it. We’ve always been able to produce good results. There’s been medals at Pan-Ams, medals at Olympics. With the size of our show jumping population in Canada, and the number of people who show at that level, it’s surprising that we produce the teams that we do. Canada has always been able to do it. I would give us credit for the programs that we’ve created here, for the level of riding that we’ve produced. If you look at Thunderbird Show Park, the fact that there are FEI in my backyard. It used to be: If you were a Western Canadian, there was nowhere to compete at other than Spruce Meadows. Now, we have a circuit on the West Coast. That is a huge reason we are producing riders.

Jacobsen: How did Langley become the Horse Capital of British Columbia? How did it get that appellation?

Tidball: There was Campbell Valley Park. That’s where it started. There were a lot of hobby farms. It came from the hobby farms. It is not, actually, from the show jumping community, necessarily.

Jacobsen: [Laughing] I didn’t know that.

Tidball: Definitely, when Show Park moved to its new venue, it increased the drive for show jumping in our area. It has gotten bigger and bigger.

Jacobsen: Before, Thunderbird Show Park was, for anyone reading locally, where the Colossus grounds is, before. People would eat at the Keg, eat their steaks, and watch show jumping. It was a nice tie-in.

Tidball: My grandfather went to the Cow Palace in San Francisco and loved it! The Keg in Langley was a representation of that. He thought it was the coolest thing. You could be watching roping in the arena, cutting in the arena, and show jumping in the arena. It was used for many things. That was the start of it. He thought it was the neatest thing to be sitting, eating your dinner, and watching show jumping at the same time. That’s where that idea came from. I hosted at The Keg. It was the hardest thing. People would come in and want a window seat. The wait would be hours and hours. It really created in our community an understanding of show jumping. Thunderbird became a known name. The Keg restaurant became a known name. It added to people wanting to come down to the shows and be a part of the culture.

Jacobsen: George brought McDonald’s to Canada, in Richmond in particular.

Tidball: He went to school in Harvard. My grandmother was with him, obviously. They had three small children. She would take them to McDonald’s, the kids. Because it was inexpensive and clean. Service was good. If something was spilled, somebody would clean it up. She loved it. After he finished at Harvard, he was working at MacMillan Bloedel. They wanted him to relocate to the United States somewhere. She didn’t want him to relocate again. They’d been all over the U.S. at that point. She’d had enough. She said, “George, why don’t you bring that McDonald’s place to Canada?” So, he found Ray Kroc and got the rights to Western Canada for McDonald’s.

Jacobsen: He was going to work directly with Milton Friedman.

Tidball: Yes, he was going to do his Ph.D. in economics at the University of Chicago with Friedman. They’d gotten into so much debt being in the States, being Canadian. My grandmother was typing papers for people at night to make things work. He went and was going to go to the University of Chicago. He opted out because they couldn’t keep going.

Jacobsen: I recall one article with him saying that they were tired of being broke.

Tidball: They were broke. They had a Volkswagen bug with three kids and the two of them.

Jacobsen: It was time for a change.

Tidball: Yes.

Jacobsen: What I am seeing in this family history is entrepreneurial business-mindset of George, motivation and also co-entrepreneurial business mind in Diane, two of their children on national teams. National ski team for Jane. National equestrian team for Laura. For yourself, as far as I know, you have jumped in the Nations Cup. It’s a strong trend in the family.

Tidball: Yes, my cousin went to the Paralympics for triathlon. It is a trend. The general trend of our family is to do the very best at what you choose to do, whether in school, in sport, or in life in general. It is to strive for the best. I would say that that has been the motto in our family all through my life. My cousin just got a job at Tesla. It’s been ingrained in us. My grandparents did an incredible in that. They didn’t put a demand on what it was that you chose to do; they just wanted you to do something that you loved. Once you chose what it was, they supported you. Also, they remind you how hard it is to work for what you love. They instilled a work ethic that goes beyond. Because, no matter what, you can do what you love every day. Let’s be honest, working in a barn every day is hard work. I wake up every day. I love my job. I love what I get to do. I don’t go, “Oh, today will be easy. I will have coffee with three people, quit early, go to the spa.” That’s not my daily routine. My daily routine is 7 in the morning to 7 at night. That’s the norm. I think if you’re lucky enough to do something that you love; it means that you’ll work harder to be able to keep doing it.

Jacobsen: Do you think the industry is weaker or stronger for show jumping in Canada?

Tidball: I think it’s getting stronger. I think there are more people getting involved in show jumping. The number of people involved in riding with horses is going up. I think show jumping is a great individual sport. For kids these days, it really gives them something that is a perfectionist sport that you get to keep striving for. It teaches a sense of responsibility with an animal. When we walk into a ring, we are not just taking care of ourselves. We have a partner with us. I think that’s a really important lesson. You will walk back into the ring. Maybe, you won the class. Maybe, you fell off. There is always something you could have done better, whether big or small. It teaches the sense of drive and work ethic that goes along with it. That’s what I’ve been taught in my time on horses.

Jacobsen: What do you consider the area of greatest improvement in riding skill and style?

Tidball: When I got to travel to Florida and got to perform on the world stage, immersing yourself with the top riders in the world, you pick it up. You get to watch what they do, how they are training. No matter what, I think that has been the biggest thing. I got to get out of my bubble and experience more. Any time to experience the great sport, it really gives you an appreciation of what you’re doing.

Jacobsen: You are considering Langley the bubble.

Tidball: Yes, Langley and California, I think when you get to go to Europe and Florida and can train with other people. There’s nothing wrong with being in Langley. It’s been great. We get two big shows a year. We have May and August, where the world stage comes to us. For sure, immersing yourself in those moments is huge, if you can have May and August throughout the year, your level will increase. With California and the Major League shows down there, it gives the opportunity to immerse yourself with the top riders. Any time that you can do that, and any time pay attention, you can learn.

Jacobsen: What did you learn in Florida immersing yourself with the top riders? What were the first things you noticed about how they conduct themselves?

Tidball: The biggest thing I learned was how fast they were. They go faster all the time. Their speed is at a different level than what I was used to when I got there. Also, their technique, it is little things. It is how they present something to their horses. It is how they are meeting a jump. It is the distances where they leave out a stride. Everything tightens up a little. That’s the only way I can describe it. Your track, your distances, your time between the jumps. Everything gets that much tighter. Because you are doing it day-in and day-out. You get used to it. All of the sudden, you come home. “That’s the line I should take.” Because that’s the line you’ve done for the last month. It was such a great experience that way.

Jacobsen: What are your dreams in this sport moving sport? Because taking the Ian Millar and Beth Underhill examples, you have a long career ahead of you.

Tidball: I would love to be able to compete on national teams and at the 1.60 level. I think it depends on if the right horse comes into my life. I do believe some of it is fate oriented. I think things happen at the right time at the right places. If a horse can come into my life to take me into those levels again, I would love to be on Nations Cup teams and do the Pan-Am Games. It would be a dream come true for me. The other side of it, I love training and bringing up young horses, and seeing what they can do. If one of them turns into one of those horses that can do that for me, that would be an ultimate goal. A horse you take through the levels into the top level. That is something that I would look forward to. I hope one of these youngsters that I have now can compete on the world stage.






American Medical Association (AMA 11th Edition): Jacobsen S. The Greenhorn Chronicles 34: L.J. Tidball on Growth as a Show Jumper, George and Diane Tidball, and Show Jumping (1). January 2023; 11(2).

American Psychological Association (APA 7th Edition): Jacobsen, S. (2023, January 1). The Greenhorn Chronicles 34: L.J. Tidball on Growth as a Show Jumper, George and Diane Tidball, and Show Jumping (1). In-Sight Publishing. 11(2).

Brazilian National Standards (ABNT): JACOBSEN, S. D. The Greenhorn Chronicles 34: L.J. Tidball on Growth as a Show Jumper, George and Diane Tidball, and Show Jumping (1). In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, Fort Langley, v. 11, n. 2, 2023.

Chicago/Turabian, Author-Date (17th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. 2023. “The Greenhorn Chronicles 34: L.J. Tidball on Growth as a Show Jumper, George and Diane Tidball, and Show Jumping (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 11, no. 2 (Spring).

Chicago/Turabian, Notes & Bibliography (17th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott The Greenhorn Chronicles 34: L.J. Tidball on Growth as a Show Jumper, George and Diane Tidball, and Show Jumping (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal 11, no. 2 (January 2023).

Harvard: Jacobsen, S. (2023) ‘The Greenhorn Chronicles 34: L.J. Tidball on Growth as a Show Jumper, George and Diane Tidball, and Show Jumping (1)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, 11(2). <>.

Harvard (Australian): Jacobsen, S 2023, ‘The Greenhorn Chronicles 34: L.J. Tidball on Growth as a Show Jumper, George and Diane Tidball, and Show Jumping (1)In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vol. 11, no. 2, <>.

Modern Language Association (MLA, 9th Edition): Jacobsen, Scott. “The Greenhorn Chronicles 34: L.J. Tidball on Growth as a Show Jumper, George and Diane Tidball, and Show Jumping (1).” In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal, vo.11, no. 2, 2023,

Vancouver/ICMJE: Jacobsen S. The Greenhorn Chronicles 34: L.J. Tidball on Growth as a Show Jumper, George and Diane Tidball, and Show Jumping (1) [Internet]. 2023 Jan; 11(2). Available from:


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