Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2017/06/23
Kim Stevenson founded The Autonomous Collections a few years ago with a clear and thoughtful idea in mind inspired by her experiences of extreme weather and global warming in her native Geelong Australia. Her collections are all sustainably and ethically made in London. Here is her story.
Tell us about your background ?
My father went to live in Australia with his family when he was 10. He was born in Kent, UK. He was always very creative and worked as a park ranger. My mum was born in South Australia, Adelaide and met my father while working at my father’s family restaurant. We were bought up feeling quite free when it came to religion. My father was more religious than my mother. While they always made us aware, they allowed us to make our own decisions about what we believed.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I am originally from Geelong, Australia. My father was very creative and I always wanted to learn new things. We were always making things, carving, pottery, painting and drawing. I loved to draw and would ask my father’s opinion as I went along. We didn’t grow up with much money but my parents would always make sure we had enough petrol in the car for a weekend adventure somewhere. My parents loved fashion and loved to shop at the charity shop (which I hated). I would sometimes have a different uniform to everyone else and it felt really embarrassing until I started customize my clothes. As soon as everyone else started to customize theirs, I felt okay about it.
I went through high school and wasn’t sure what I wanted to do. I went to TAFE to study hospitality management for 2 years and from then on I worked in some top hotels and wineries in Australia. I wanted to study again but I always wanted to travel. My father used to tell me stories of his childhood in London. So I decided to come to the UK when I was 23. I travelled a little, my money ran out very quickly and had to get a job. I fell in love, a few years later had a baby and when he was three, I decided to get back to what I really wanted to do.
As I hadn’t been at school for a while, I studied an art and design foundation degree for a year to allow me to figure out what direction I wanted to go in. Originally I wanted to study Fine Art. But as I had a family to support I felt that I could merge my art with fashion. I went on to complete a BA in Fashion Design at the University of East London.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion? How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
I’ve always been interested in ethical/sustainable approaches. I use to always find random materials to create with. I used to use my mother’s old curtains and play ‘weddings’ up and down the garden with my friends. A mixture of a willingness to play around whilst being pretty conscious of Australia’s extreme weather conditions, made me grow up with a thoughtful ideal in terms of how to value what I owned.
When I studied my art and design foundation I wanted to make my own paper so went around and collected everyone’s old newspapers and made lots of textured papers. I love the whole recycling process and knew I wanted to take this through to university. The more I read about ethical fashion and how much waste went to landfill actually made me sick. This was where I really knew I wanted to create an ethical clothing brand.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies? What is the importance of fair trade?
It is so sad when large companies can price their garments so low by any means necessary to humanity.
All it does is water down the selection of our wardrobe, making people not care what they buy, as they can always throw it out or buy something new without even thinking who it has effected or the hard work someone has put into that garment.
Millions of tons per year go to landfill and that, for me alone, is one reason why ethical companies are so important.
Not to mention the working conditions or low wages these people get. Since becoming a designer it has made me so conscious and appreciate the hard work it takes to make a single garment.
When something becomes the ‘norm’ it is hard for the world to see any different. It is only through education that we can change that.
It takes ‘we’ as a community to come together and shout about this importance.
What is The Autonomous Collections?
The Autonomous Collections is a directional young brand which takes an ethical approach to fabrication and design. We are womenswear, but we do have some statement pieces which are unisex. Our process is to design first, then find ways to create each step ethically. Our ethos is to appeal to a confident, young, old and young in spirit audience in order to promote ethics in production and consumption.
It is Our Mission to be as ethical as possible and to inspire other brands to follow. It’s not an easy way to develop a business, but it is a rewarding one.
What inspired the title of the organization?
AUTONOMOUS – Meaning, having the freedom to act independently.
Autonomous for me means a strong sense of identity which and self-expression. A contemporary look that defines the wearer irrespective of age, race, gender or personal style.
What are some of its feature products?
We cover all types of garments, Jackets, sweaters, skirts, dresses, jeans and so on. We make all the products here in our studio in London. What characterises us is our contemporary urban design aesthetic with fabrication techniques and cultural influences from around the world. Each collection has a story behind the process but still carries the signature such as, fringing, weaving, denim and the use of natural fibers with a relaxed silhouette.
If I was to say one or two products it would be our organic denim jacket with wool fringing and organic sweatshirt lining and our tassel skirt made from scrap fabric, yarns and wool.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
Our focus is to use as many natural/organic fibers as possible with in the design. But it really does depend on our story behind the collections. It may be that we have created one off or limited pieces within the collection that have the use of up-cycling or found fabrics in them. We also have some fabrics from a factory in Spain that use the cabbage from the factory floor. After the garments have been cut they re-spin the fibers into new fabrics (therefore we are unsure of the exact fiber content). Some of our acrylic yarns used in the weaving process are from the Woman’s Institute. The Women’s Institute (WI) was formed in 1915 to revitalise rural communities and encourage women to become more involved in producing food during the First World War. Since then the organisation’s aims have broadened and the WI is now the largest voluntary women’s organisation in the UK. The WI celebrated its centenary in 2015 and currently has almost 220,000 members in approximately 6,300 WIs.
The WI plays a unique role in providing women with educational opportunities and the chance to build new skills, to take part in a wide variety of activities and to campaign on issues that matter to them and their communities.
So if we do use any manmade fibers we really take into consideration the thought about supporting good causes throughout the world.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of The Autonomous Collections?
We are only a small company and it is myself and a small team of students and graduates who more want to learn about ethical fashion and how they can use this in their work.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
I would say that 90% of our products will yes.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
At the moment our age range is 20-40-year-old woman mostly based in the EU. Our customer is a person who has an appreciation of hand craft and forward thinking. They are unique and like to be different. Through our design process we try to ensure that each garment is different. Whether it be a different color lining, hand embroidered logo or different pattern through the cutting. They will always find something different to the next wearer. They like to feel comfortable and have a love for creativity.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
For individuals, you can ask questions when you purchase something. ‘Where are the clothes made’? ‘Who made them’? It is a knock on effect. If we continue to ask these questions, it will make retail staff ask the questions and so forth the education getting wider and higher. If you buy from companies who don’t support these rights, you are just contributing and supporting these vulnerable communities.
For designers, it is our job to be aware about our suppliers and if you can, visit the premises where the clothes, fabrics are made. Or if you can’t get there, research and ask questions to see if other companies have. If you care, they will care.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at most levels. Why?
Men never used to sew. They were the ones who went to war or built things. While the woman stayed home, prepared the food, looked after the children. I think as boundaries everywhere are broken it allows others to be accepted. This has been happening for centuries and these things take time for people and the world to be in sync and to become educated to another way of thinking. It will and is happening, it will just take time.
What might make men more involved in the fashion world in general?
Our acceptance. No judgement in particular from other men. Many think you have to be gay to be a designer. As a designer it is not just about making clothes but a whole process. You need to co-ordinate color, research, draw lines etc. Doesn’t that sound like an artist? If a man said to another man, ‘I am an artist’ is that more acceptable. It took a long time for an artist to be recognized as a real job or profession so how is a man in the fashion industry any different?
What might make men more involved in the ethical and sustainable fashion world in general?
A male figure in the sustainable community. Whether it be a male designer or public figures which most men look up to, making the change.
Will having men in the discussion and on-the-ground improve the implementation of children’s and women’s rights?
Yes. It is one thing for a woman to stick up for other woman but when a man does it, it will other men think about the way they behave. I’m sure it would not be an easy fight but the more men who get involved the better.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
It is so much hard work starting a fashion label and sometimes very stressful. I forget to look back at what I have done until someone reminds me all I have accomplished in two years. Sometimes I feel like I have done nothing. When people approach me saying they love what I do I feel so thankful that I have spread the word a little further. I get to be creative, doing what I love, be involved in this movement of making the world a better place and as hard as the fashion industry is I still continue my effort to think about the bigger picture.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
We are being involved in a University charity event in February where they are hoping to raise money to support The International Rescue Committee, a charity which responds to humanitarian crises all over the world, predominantly in Syria. They provide essential healthcare, food, security and protection for vulnerable men, women and children whose lives have been torn apart by conflict.
The IRC provides safe houses for those in need as well as psychological support to deal with the aftermath of trauma. It also helps communities rebuild their infrastructure and teaches them new skills to ensure sustainability. Furthermore, the charity strives to empower refugees through educating them in ways which enable them to sustainably recover and change the direction of their futures.
We are working on a new collection where we will be working with a fair trade factory in Cambodia and hoping to be involved in more charity events to come.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
No not really. I am so busy with work and family it is hard to catch up with these.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, The Autonomous Collections?
We can be contacted at info@theautonomouscollections.com or follow us on
Facebook https://www.facebook.com/theautonomouscollections/
Instagram https://www.instagram.com/the_autonomous_collections/
Twitter https://www.twitter.com/theautonomousc
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Limited access to funding and balancing work and family life.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
I think having a family and a business is always hard especially when you are over the other side of the world.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
I just believe in things like-
‘What goes around, comes around’
‘Respect others’ and so forth….
I am a bit of a realist when it comes to your future. I believe you have to work hard for anything you want in life.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Thank you for having me and letting me tell you about The Autonomous Collections and my views on ethical fashion.
Thank you for your time, Kim.
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FORMAT features products with clean shapes, defined details and confident lines for relaxed but well dressed women and men. The FORMAT collections are partly independent from seasons and every style is made of organic and fair sourced materials and produced in and around Berlin.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
While studying fashion design (2003-2008) I found out about the conditions in the industry and decided not to develop and design that way.
What is FORMAT?
FORMAT’s designs are essentially minimalistic. This minimalism is accentuated by details that make a freedom of movement possible while giving the clothes their laid-back look. FORMAT products stand for the distinctive, individual, and unmasked style of each individual. They bring out his or her best qualities and thus remain a durable companion.
All FORMAT products are made considering high ecological and ethical standards. Our raw materials are organic; the cotton fabrics are certified by GOTS or produced according to similar organic standards. All of our clothing is made locally in Berlin, Brandenburg and Poland.
The FORMAT collection is partly independent from seasons because sustainability implies for us that clothes not ought to be old-fashioned after 6-month. We aspire a high level of eternalness in our styles: Some few items won’t be reproduced again. Some pieces accomplish the collection since the early beginning of FORMAT and this collection keeps on growing by about ten pieces, new fabrics and colors every season.
Primarily we are concentrating on B2B business. We sell our clothing to mid and higher priced shops and retailers in Germany and now to retailers in other European countries. Nevertheless, anyone can have a look at the clothes in WESEN showroom, which is our base and an insiders’ shopping tip for Berliners and visitors since July.
What inspired the title of the organization?
It fits to our style. Graphic, minimal, simple but comfortable.
We neither want to be millionaires nor rule the world. We just want to be able to do what makes us happy. With amazing colleagues in a comfortable work environment. Currently we have to make compromises to create this. While sticking to our quality standards, fair production and realistic retail prices aren’t quite at our dream wages, yet. Our prices are calculated reasonably. Decreasing costs leads to decreasing prices. We reinvest our profits in new machines and slowly but surely increase the wages. We don’t do any advertising and we don’t pay anyone to wear our clothes or to say or to write good things about us. Our customer service is always honest because we are convinced that short-term economic successes are not sustainable and valuable. We believe, maybe somewhat naively, that we are able to influence single people or even larger society with what we do.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
Organic cotton wovens and knits by GOTS certified manufacturers.
Not only our clothes are supposed to be ecological and fair. One of our most valued goals is for the designs to be timeless. Our clothes aren’t only available for one season. We live sustainably at WESEN the same way we do in our private homes. We recycle and try to avoid waste, we use eco electricity and gas and for lunch we take turns in cooking (mostly eco and always vegetarian/vegan) for the whole team. Quite undogmatic.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Most of them. Unfortunately, we could not find biodegradable sewing yarn so these threads are still made of plastics, for longer living of the seams and the clothing itself.
What personal fulfilment comes from this work for you?
Every day is different. that’s exciting.
How can ethical and sustainable fashion contribute to the long-term sustainable future for the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment?
Having a circular usefulness including waste and recycling should be the aim when developing any product.
Certifications, or standards and labelling, remain important, which associate with analysis. These include Fairtrade International, MADE-BY, the Ethical Trading Initiative Base Code, the Soil Association label and the EKOlabel, the Oko-Tex standard 100 mark, and the European Eco-Label for Textile Products, and more. There’s many. Do these help systematize and clarify, or obfuscate and confuse?
I think that it is necessary to work on such topics from many directions so as in many different organisations. It helps to find a winder angle on looking at problems and solutions that can be found. sooner or later if organisations work in same fields they anyway connect and coop. so it will lead to a clarification anyway.
What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Staying alive It is not so easy to compete with a little company as mine on a market as big as it is. but it is also exciting to proceed.
LOCK dress
knee-lengthed dress with a pleated neckline, pockets and a curved hem
the soft semi-transparent fabric allows you to have fun layering
can be worn with the belt or without
100% organic cotton
the ecological fabric of this item is made by a GOTS certified manufacturer
What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
Staying optimistic becomes not easier while becoming older.
Thank you for your time, Mareike.
Thanks for asking.
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Interview with Asia Clarke – CEO & Creative Director, Wild Moon Jewelry
Asia Clarke, CEO & Creative Director of Wild Moon Jewelry, speaks with Scott Douglas Jacobsen.
Jacobsen: As a youngster, what were some pivotal moments to set the life path for you, in fashion?
Asia Clarke: When I was in high school I was really into punk rock and old school 70s and 80s funk music (because of my parents’ awesome music taste). I went to a catholic high school and had to wear uniforms everyday, but I always looked forward to “Dress Down Day” which happened once a month. I remember my regular wardrobe being a mix of goth outfits and 80s exercise outfits that I would mash up to create my own style. Peers used to make fun of me by calling me Fefe Dobson because of the rock influence in my personal style as a young black girl, but I didn’t care because I knew I stood out and I was dedicated to being creative in the way I adorned my body.
Jacobsen: Did education help in the development of skills relevant to the interests in fashion?
Clarke: I studied environmental science at York University in Toronto, and my research interests were always the socio-cultural implications of pollution and environmental degradation. It is with this lens I approach jewelry design – I try my best to manifest the Wild Moon Jewelry brand into an example of how we can create new cultural artifacts with a conscious respect for Mother Earth. I was also educated at the Academy of Jewelry Art in Trinidad and Tobago, a place that has greatly shaped my own cultural identity.
Jacobsen: Wild Moon Jewelry is within the global movement of ethical and sustainable fashion. As a fine jewelry company, what is the inspiration behind its title?
Clarke: Wild Moon stands for all the interconnected beauty in the world that we cannot begin to comprehend. ‘Wild’ is for the intuitive nature of all beings, and ‘Moon’ is to acknowledge our connection to celestial beings. I hope to inspire wearers to be aware of their greater place in the world and in the universe. My use of recycled and repurposed materials is my own solution to the need to create earth centred and ethical personal adornment for people worldwide.
Jacobsen: What were some of the first products sold by the company?
Clarke: I have always done bead and wire work in necklaces, earrings and rings incorporating semi precious stones such as quartz, onyx, turquoise and pyrite just to name a few. I have used them because I know these stones can represent and enhance the symbiotic relationship between people and their intuition through the earths minerals.
Jacobsen: How does a company CEO ensure the socially and environmentally friendly aspects of the source of the materials for the company’s products being sold?
Clarke: For different businesses the process to sourcing ethical and socially responsible materials is different. For my business, I try my best to visit the direct source of materials I am using in order to be sure that I am sourcing the best materials for my designs. For example, in this collection I use recycled glass beads from Ghana. I visited the factory myself where they were made and witnessed the process by which the factory collected glass bottles and used traditional techniques to produce beautiful beads for jewelry designs. I also use a lot of recycled materials in the Kokrobitey Collection that was diverted from waste sites.
Jacobsen: How are the Obrapa Women’s Group and the Kokrobitey Institute in Accra, Ghana helping with some of the products?
Clarke: The Obrapa Women’s Group is a collective of awesome women in Accra, Ghana that work together to make jewelry as a means of economic and personal empowerment. They also work as peer educators for HIV / AIDS affected communities in underserved areas in Accra. They use traditional jewelry techniques with glass beads made locally in Ghana for their designs. I have partnered with them to design their last two collections which are available in Wild Moon Jewelry’s online store.
The Kokrobitey Institute is an art, design and sustainable development centre just outside of Accra, Ghana. At the Kokrobitey Institute I recently completed an artist residency where I created a body of work using recycled materials diverted from waste sites to create one of a kind jewelry pieces. This one of a kind collaboration is also available in my online store.
Jacobsen: Will there be collaboration with the group and the institute in the future?
Clarke: I hope so! The Obrapa Women’s Group and Kokrobitey Institute are both based in Ghana and I plan to return to Ghana in early 2019.
Jacobsen: Where do you hope to take Wild Moon Jewelry into 2019?
Clarke: I love making jewelry and learning new techniques to expand designs using as ethically sourced materials as possible. I hope to be able to learn new jewelry skills every year. I also have a passion for working with Women and Girls in personal and social development projects so I plan expand the scope of Wild Moon Jewelry to incorporate this.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Asia.
Clarke: Thank you too!
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Vintage Inspired Ethical Designs is a new eco friendly vintage inspired contemporary fashion label based in Adelaide. The owner/designer, Helen Minogue develops her designs in Adelaide, and after many months of searching finally sourced home workers using traditional methods to weave, dye and print to make the eco friendly fabrics she wanted to work with, in India.
Tell us about your background
I was born and raised in South Australia to Anglo-Celtic parents. I was raised and educated as a Catholic. My father’s parents lived in New Guinea when he was a child and he was sent to Australia to boarding school from young age. My mother was born and raised in Adelaide and her parents were second-generation Irish. When my mother was growing up there was considerable discrimination against Irish Catholics to the extent that job advertisements would place the acronym CNNA – which stood for “Catholics need not apply”.
My mother’s grandmother would tell stories of when the English ‘invaded Ireland’ (as she called it), they stopped population speaking Gaelic and the children from being educated. So despite being raised a white Anglo Celt in a middle-class family I was made aware from a young age of the discrimination that can occur between groups of people and the long term and far reaching impacts this can have.
Tell us about your story and how you got into fashion?
I have come late to the fashion industry and with no formal training or relevant industry experience. I initially trained and worked as a registered nurse before then moving into the field of occupational health & safety. The compulsory purchase of my house and being made redundant lead me to decide to pursue a lifelong dream of having my own fashion label.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I have always taken an interest in Human Rights so I was well aware of the ‘sweat shops’ being used by many fashion houses and especially any label that was offering clothing at very cheap prices.
So when I decided I was going to start my own label being ethical was a given and that is why it appears in my label name. It was when I started looking for an ethical supplier that I learned just how bad the fashion industry was in relation to pollution and waste and I felt I just could not knowingly be a part of that facet of the industry. Thus I began looking for organic fabrics and natural dyes.
As my designs are inspired by the vintage era my thinking behind my designs was that they would be more ‘timeless’ and therefore not impacted by the seasonal trends, I also hope that they are pieces that people will want to wear for years thus removing them from the fast fashion stream.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
These designers and companies have 2 influencer roles, especially as there are more around. Firstly, we can impact upon the consumers by educating them about ethical and sustainable fashion and the benefits for everyone moving forward – this is particularly important for designers of teen fashion because if they can be educated at that stage of their buying journey it can impact them for the future.
The 2nd way I see us being influencers is upon governments in things like getting new sustainable crops grown, tax reductions on sustainable clothing, supporting initiative’s for used clothing use.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
Fast fashion is usually mass-produced clothing that has everyone looking the same; it is made from synthetic materials, which come from a polluting factory and are designed to be worn only a few times and then thrown out – as because it is no longer ‘on trend’.
Slow fashion is made from organic fabric using natural dyes and will provide a unique piece that does not belong to a season and people will want to wear them year after year.
What is the importance of animal rights, especially in an ethical and sustainable fashion context?
Just like people animals as sentient beings have the right to be treated in a humane manner, if you are presenting yourself as ethical then by very choice of that word requires the appropriate action.
What is Vintage Inspired Ethical Designs?
A new label that takes inspiration for designs from the 1920’s to 1960’s. It is currently doing ladies daywear. The clothes are designed with a timeless flair so that they can become wardrobe staples
What inspired the title of the organization?
I wanted the title to clearly explain what the label was about (this was before I had become eco conscious) and Vied means struggled/strived which I thought was apt for what I was starting and also for working with ethical companies
What are some of its feature products?
Organic hand loomed, hand dyed and block printed by hand fabrics
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
Organic cotton, organic linen, organic khadi, organic nettle, wood fibre.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Vintage Inspired Ethical Designs?
I design the clothes here in Adelaide, Australia. The growers and the manufacturers of the fabrics are local men and women from a number of villages across northern and north/western India. I choose the fabric and commission a bulk quantity (there is no capacity for sampling you have to commit), once the fabric is ready 5-6 weeks it is taken to the ‘factory’ in Mumbai – this factory consists of only about 7 people and they pay award wages.
Water use in production is an issue. What is the importance of reducing excess water use in the production of fashion?
As water is a precious resource, this is a very important issue facing the fashion industry. I am conscious that organic cotton uses less water than non-organic but it still uses a fair amount of water, so for my next collection I want to investigate the use of bamboo as an alternative but I do have concerns about the manufacturing process so this is what I need to look into further.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Yes, they are all organic so break down quite easily.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
Any age would suit my clothes, however I have specifically designed them for women 35+ and up as they are designed to fit women with realistic figures.
What topics most interest you?
New organic fabric developments, new sustainable crops, up-cycling ideas, ways to overcome the disposable society we have become (like the café in the USA where you can take broken kettles etc. and people will help you try to fix it instead of throwing it out and buying a new one).
Thank you for your time, Helen.
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Megan started Tuli to help empower women and bring us sustainable and ethical jewellery made in Uganda. Every purchase puts money directly into the hands of the woman who made it, empowering them to feed their families, educate their children, and rise out of poverty.
Tell us about your background and your journey to sustainable fashion.
I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, and though my family moved around a lot, I consider Seattle home. Moving around so much made me adaptable which I think, years later, was instrumental in starting Tuli. When doing business in a developing country, things are constantly changing and supply sources aren’t always as reliable, so you need a lot of backup plans and flexibility to build a large brand.
Tell us about your story and how you got started in Fashion?
Before starting Tuli, I worked as a journalist. I’ve always admired storytelling’s ability to create change, and I hoped to do that in my career by writing about people and places people otherwise wouldn’t experience. I studied journalism and creative writing in college, and then lived in Florida for a year working for a small newspaper before moving to Tokyo to work as a freelance journalist. While there, I was sent to Uganda on a writing assignment, and that’s how Tuli began. After that trip, at 24, I started the company.
Before my career in journalism, I worked as a fashion model to help pay for college. Although I only did it around my school schedule and it was never a huge goal of mine, my experience in the industry taught me a lot of about the fashion industry that eventually made Tuli possible.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I’ve been interested in global development and poverty eradication for as long as I can remember, so throughout college and my early career I worked with several nonprofit organizations and realized that many organizations spend most of their time trying to raise money, which isn’t sustainable. After spending some time in Africa and SE Asia, I realized that donations alone aren’t solving the problem of poverty. I became increasingly interested in social business not just because businesses have sustainable income and don’t rely on fundraising, but also because my experience showed me that economic development is the key to ending poverty.
My interest in ethical and sustainable fashion in general comes both from my interest in social business and my experience in the fashion industry. The longer I modeled, the more I saw firsthand just how big the industry is. Consumers flock to certain brands and bring their money along with them, and the more I learned about how most of what we consume is made, the more uncomfortable I became. Fashion shouldn’t hurt people, and it doesn’t need to. It’s possible to create a quality, stylish product that is made under safe conditions and provides fair wages to its makers at a reasonable price.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
Right now, consumers don’t have much access to ethically produced fashion, and that’s a problem. Market research shows that consumers prefer fair fashion, even if it costs more, but access is an issue. Consumers still have to go out of their way to buy ethical fashion, and until recently, finding affordable and stylish options was difficult. I’ve seen this changing in the last several years, and I’m so excited to see so many ethical brands growing and to see companies pivoting to meet consumer demand. Ethical and sustainable companies are vital because they give consumers a new option for their dollars.
What is the importance of fair trade to you?
Fair, transparent trade safeguards makers. It’s not uncommon in developing countries to hear of or meet people sewing products for people overseas for obscenely low wages that barely cover their materials. Why do they agree to this? Because if they have no other employment options, they’re faced with a choice between earning next to nothing, or earning nothing. Fair trade stops this type of exploitation in marketplaces.
Whatis the importance of a (relative to the country) living wage?
Living wages fight poverty. At Tuli, we pay living wages to all our artisans because we want to empower them to rise out of poverty. By earning a living wage, they aren’t only able to feed their families and pay for basic expenses, but they are also able to invest in education for themselves and their children and practice long-term savings so unexpected costs (such as a medical bill) don’t derail their lives. One of my favorite stories is of Florence, an artisan who used her income to go back to school and eventually got a job as a headmistress at a school in Kampala. We miss her, but we were happy to see her quit: Something as simple as jewelry turned her life around.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
Slow fashion has meaning behind it. When I wear a Tuli piece, I’m reminded of where it came from, the impact it had, and the hard work that went into it. If I wear a piece of fast fashion, I don’t think much of it beyond if it matches my outfit. When talking about ethical fashion, the conversation usually centers on the makers, but the wearers also benefit. Owning and wearing a piece that has impact is special and meaningful to Tuli’s customers. Fashion should make people feel good about themselves, and knowing the story behind a product promotes this.
The Ethical Fashion Forum developed the Ethical Policy Framework. An ethical policy framework tool for those devoted to enactment of ethical and sustainable purchases, production, and business decisions. What do services such as these perform for the public, consumers, producers, and businesspeople?
These types of frameworks help both producers and consumers. On the production side, they help ensure that the best intentions have the best results. Unfortunately, in my time working with Tuli, I’ve realized that many similar organizations with admirable goals aren’t always helping as much as they’d think. For example, a popular business model for companies selling paper bead jewelry is to employ women for several months or even several years before “graduating” them from the program. The idea is that, in the time they were making jewelry, the artisans were taught a job skill: jewelry making. The problem is, a woman selling jewelry in Uganda likely won’t make much money; the market is saturated and buyers are few. Many artisans who formerly worked for some of my biggest competitors are now on Tuli’s team, and when I met them, they were still living in poverty; they tell me their time with the other organizations was great – until it ended. Frameworks like the one developed by the Ethical Fashion Forum ensure that producers are focusing on impact first.
At the same time, these frameworks help consumers. As the founder of an ethical business, I spend a lot of time thinking about impact and sustainability, but consumers may not be as intimately acquainted with ethical overseas production. Using tools like the Ethical Policy Framework, customers can ensure that when they buy, they are truly supporting ethical brands.
What is Tuli?
Tuli is a brand that fights poverty by creating sustainable jobs in Uganda. We sell handmade jewelry that is focused on both style and impact, and we pay the women who make our products fair, living wages. Because they have an income they can rely on, our partners are empowered to rise out of poverty.
What inspired the title of the organization?
“Tuli” means “we are” in Luganda, one of the languages spoken in Uganda. We picked this name because it embodies the idea of collaborative solutions to poverty. Consumers from all over the world purchase Tuli products, and each of them is creating real change in Uganda by putting money directly into the hands of our artisans.
What are some of its feature products?
Tuli sells jewelry, with a range of both statement and minimalist pieces. Our top sellers include the Eve chevron necklace, the Arianne choker, the Aster necklace, the Kira bracelet, and the Florence statement necklace.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
All our products are made using recycled paper beads. We buy the scraps from reams of paper that would otherwise be thrown away to create something beautiful. Our artisans cut the paper into small strips, roll them tightly into beads, and then paint them by hand before coating them in a water-based varnish that makes them durable as well as beautiful. After that, the beads are fashioned into jewelry using locally sourced materials.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Tuli?
I design the pieces to ensure that they are relevant to the international fashion market, and then our team of artisans in Kampala create each piece by hand.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
Our main customers are women aged 18-34 who are interested in fashion and interested in global issues. Our customers tend to shop at stores like Anthropologie and Free People in addition to shopping at Tuli.
What topics most interest you?
I’m most interested in global development and economics. Every decision we make at Tuli is focused on impact, so I spend a lot of time reading about how economies grow to make sure we are making decisions that are as wise as possible.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Knowing that your work is making a big difference in people’s lives is enormously fulfilling. Although Tuli is still a young, small company and I spend a lot of time thinking about how we could do more, at the end of the day, I know that Tuli has changed lives. It’s hard to find a job more fulfilling than that!
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
When I was coming up with metrics for impact for Tuli, I relied heavily on Muhammad Yunus’ Creating a World Without Poverty, which includes an extensive discussion on how to measure impact and determine whether a person is truly out of poverty. I also recommend The Social Entrepreneur’s Playbook from Ian C. MacMillan and James Thomson.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
I love collaborating! Tuli was entirely bootstrapped, and especially at the beginning, connections were huge for us. I love connecting with people and organizations at all stages. People can reach me at megan@tulistore.com or through my personal Instagram account, @megankitt.
What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
The biggest struggle for me is knowing just how vast the problem of poverty is and not feeling discouraged. I’m proud of what Tuli’s done so far, and I’m loving watching its impact grow, but sometimes, as I look to the future and contemplate the gravity of global poverty, it’s easy to feel insignificant. I have to work hard to balance dreaming big for Tuli’s future impact with remembering that, to the two dozen women and their families we currently provide living wages to, Tuli has changed everything. It’s a difficult act of staying encouraged without becoming complacent.
What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
It’s related to my above answer, because I think most business owners would agree that business becomes a huge part of your personal life, but I struggle with feeling like I’m doing enough, and because of that, it’s sometimes hard for me to pull myself away from work, which isn’t healthy. It’s important for anyone doing work in entrepreneurship or poverty eradication to sometimes cut ourselves some slack; the world won’t change overnight, and it’s helpful to focus on what you have accomplished – and to allow yourself time to step back and spend time with the important people in your life.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
I really appreciate this opportunity to share my thoughts and work with Tuli! Thanks so much for your time.
Thank you for your time, Megan.
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The majority of people support globalization, but the term itself can have different meanings.
Globalization is important to positively contribute to our growing global economy
At the grassroots level, it can conjure up images of people gathered together in communities and cooperatives to form networks, while it can also be used to describe the networking and structural integration of large-scale companies across the globe. In either case, people seem to be supportive of globalization, which is becoming more widespread.
In response, it is important to positively contribute to our growing global economy. One way to achieve this is through ethical and sustainable fashion. Ethical and sustainable fashion is a new and growing market that requires further investigation through sharing knowledge and developing common values.
From the bottom up, this means exploring the inter-linkages of small, moderate and large scale organizations. Although infrastructure is often embedded in these businesses, there is potential for change. Personally, I enjoy hearing about the stories of individual makers, artisans, and ethical and sustainable fashion company owners who have created successful businesses.
To me, it is these people who are are forming the basis for a movement and a new form of consumption; consumption that is consistent with the sustainability goals of the United Nations. It’s an exciting time!
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MARA is a social enterprise established in 2013 in Moldova. They focus on slow upcycled fashion and the ethical production, life essentials and the well being of those who make them.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I come from Poland where i graduated from a 3-D Product design faculty on Academy of Fine Arts in Cracow, my favourite city in the whole wide world. I also studied Fine product design on Coventry University, both my degrees are quite far from fashion design but I must say I’d never consider myself a fashion designer I like to think that I have more interdisciplinary/ holistic approach.
My idea is to bring design thinking into already existing project, understand the problems it faces and help to find out suitable solutions. Together we try to design desirable and profitable products to help the project to grow and sustain itself.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
My interest in ethical manufacturing came gradually, it was a cross between my education and working experience. I was lucky to get some working experience in a furniture factory in Indonesia. The concept of the manufacturing was revolving around purchasing century old houses, that would become unsuitable for living and making very special up-cycled pieces of furniture out of the wood they were constructed from. I remember being absolutely fascinated with their zero-waste policy. I started reflecting more on how things are made and in what conditions.
After I returned to my home country I was ecstatic to discover that the whole slow fashion movement kicked off. First slow fashion trade shows and makers markets. There was so much energy and optimism I wanted to be part of all this new exciting movement. I started making printed garments I would design and have manufactured by local seamstresses from organic cottons.
In 2015 I joined MARA, in their mission to fight unemployment and migration of women from rural areas. I think that together with the whole team we managed to create a brand that not only gives employment but also promotes the concept of ethical, sustainable and locally made fashion in Moldova. In October 2016 we opened a shop that unites local makers and works as a platform for promoting local designers.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
I strongly believe that promoting the idea of sustainability and ethical manufacturing can influence consumers buying behaviors. Together with the whole MARA team we advocate empowerment via good design. Social business that targets and resolves particular social issue is a model that, in my opinion, has a bright future. We at MARA put a lot of effort into educating our customers about the importance of ethical manufacturing and encourage them to question the origins of not only the final product, but also the materials.
The customers play the most important role in the whole process, as they have the power to push for 100% transparency about the cost of manufacturing and the conditions of the manufacturing. If consumers will have more interest in questioning who made the garments they buy, in what conditions and out of what materials, the companies will have to follow that direction. I am very happy that more and more companies are open about their manufacturing ways and I hope that will sometime become a mainstream trend. Often we get a feedback that we are too focused on commercial part of our project, but I tend to depute that.
In order to become a successful, sustainable enterprise and reliable employer, social business like ours need a desirable product. I see a role of a designer crucial in this process. Improving the quality of the product and visual communication, to help the sustainable brands reach new customers and grow. Only this way the concept of ethical manufacturing can spread and employment rate can grow. We still try to find the right balance between the commercial side of our project and the social one, sometimes it isn’t easy.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
My personal hero is founder of TOM’s shoes Brake Mycoskie. What I find the most impressive is that they grew, into a very recognizable enterprise, re-branched and still managed to sustain the concept intact. I respect that they are very open to outside evaluation and committed to transparency and improving their vision. TOMS is definitely very inspiring story.
What is MARA Knitwear?
MARA is a social enterprise based in Republic of Moldova, country sandwiched between Ukraine and Romania known mostly for its wine cultivating traditions, great people and crazy emigration statistics. We try to tackle the problem of women migrating the country and leaving their children behind with grandparents.
In our workshop, located in Scoreni – a village with around 3000 inhabitants, we create knitted up-cycled woolen garments and accessories. We campaign for ethical manufacturing and 0 waste management in Moldova, we make our knitwear out of leftover yarn that we buy from bigger producers. Our manufacturing means are very limited, that gives us opportunity to advocate for close relationship between our makers and customers.
On the start we were backed up financially by East European Foundation and Swiss Agency for Cooperation in Moldova. We cooperate with village authorities on a number of social projects. Our objective is to enable and dignify women through trainings, creating job opportunities, rising local employment rate and giving women means to stay in the country with their kids. We try to educate our customers about the importance of ethical and fair production.
What are some of its feature products?
We create our knitwear on manual knitting machines. We try to focus on minimal and timeless design with simple, easy to accessories shapes and colors. The garments are created for women by women, so among our products customers will find many knitted dresses, soft comfy sweaters, shawls. We take the concept “know who made your clothes” quite literally, all our items come with the hand signed message from the person who actually crafted it.
We made our garments to last, using the best yarns we can find. In our selection we have sheep wool, merino, organic cottons, mohairs and occasionally limited editions of cashmere. Our collection is very limited due to the fact that we up cycle woolen left overs, but we think it’s an interesting asset of our brand, each piece comes in very small quantity, each is special and each of them has our close attention.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
The internal market in Moldova is very difficult and it shrinks rapidly due to migration of young people that is why we put a lot of our efforts into reaching out to international customers. We are hosted by two shops WORKSPACE COLLECTIVE in Connecticut, USA and SOME WEAR ELSE based in Wroclaw, Poland.
We can not forget to mention a wonderful circle of returning customers based across the globe really and expats that work for international organizations based in Moldova. Big group of our audience is also Moldovan diaspora members, who by buying our products want to support employment growth in their home country.
We still try to reach out to new audience, only by doing so we can improve the employment rate in the village and maintain our business model as a self sustainable, enterprise independent from grants and international aid programs. Sometimes we struggle to approach first time buyers due to the almost complete lack of information about Moldova as a country.
Our customers are usually women who appreciate our products, the social side of the project, and personal attendance that we try to give them. They usually come back for more and we often become friends.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
Apparently after Rana Plaza collapse more workers are interested in joining and forming the unions. All the brands along with local government should support workers right to form unions that will represent their interests, because fashion industry can not afford another disaster like Rana Plaza collapse. Unfortunately, at the end of the day when it comes to fashion we still over consume, and low price is still the most important factor for many customers. This huge demand for cheap clothes combined with very short consumers’ collective memory and lack of interest in workers’ conditions makes it possible for manufacturers to simply get away with creating poor working conditions, not respecting workers’ rights and codes of conduct. I know that many companies that manufacture their garments in Rana Plaza have contributed into paying compensations to the victim’s families and really push the standards up but I also know for a fact that many of them refused or delayed voluntary donation towards this fund.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
MARA’s aim is to empower women and we strongly believe that employment and fair wage is crucial for enabling women within their community but also the important step towards changing the mindset of the community.
Working women gain respect in the community, their self esteem improves and that helps to fight domestic violence. As they become less financially dependent and they can contribute to the family budget they gain the power of decision making and that paves a path to equality at home and in the community.
In Moldova the education is free and compulsory thus child labour is not an issue. The problem lays in very high unemployment rate in the rural areas, what pushes women with no qualifications to migrate outside the country. Because they have very low or no qualifications and no language skills often they end up being exploited in their new jobs abroad. Sadly, often due to low wages and challenging living conditions they make a tough decision to leave their kids behind.
We reflect on how that kind of parental migration affects kids and the whole community in the long run. Kids are still provided for financially but they are left with very little or no supervision. Very often they break out of education system too early and end up being under qualified, low skilled labour like their parents. The cycle of poverty is maintained. There is an obvious correlation between women’s employment rate and children’s well being. When women human rights are maintained, moms can earn a living locally and parent their kids the empowerment of both comes as a side effect.
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
This is very important issue and the one that is difficult to resolve because kids are very often an important economic asset for many families in developing countries and child salaries in many cases are a crucial contribution to family budget. However, we mustn’t forget that work will have long term negative effect on those kids. First of all, it interferes with process of education, secondly kids very often are exposed to toxic substances and unsafe working conditions.
Child labour also slows down the economical development of the whole country, because kids are filling the low skilled positions, so there is no incentive for innovation or technical development for the economy. We all must become more aware of the negative effect of child labour because we are all consumers and everyday we make a decision about what kind of manufacturing models we support.
I think there is a need to educate consumers about the scale of the problem. Information is crucial here, social campaigns, promoting international certificates and symbols can prove helpful in encouraging consumers to question and demand transparency from manufacturers. Also, right and clear labeling of the product is important. Fortunately, more people become conscious about the importance of ethical manufacturing and are aware of what information to look for whilst shopping.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Again, I will stress the importance of consumer education. I believe that conscious consumers that understand their needs and reflect on their buying behaviors have the biggest power to change the whole industry. The manufacturers need to be committed to bigger transparency about their ethics, business model and the way they operate. Generally, more people declare that they are prepared to pay more for the product to ensure that it comes from sustainable source and it is manufactured ethically, but we all need to step back and reflect on the amount and quality of clothes we buy. We should question the insane rate at what we consume fashion, because that simply can not continue. The interested in the real cost of the garments is on the rise, but there is still a lot to do to boost awareness about the dark side of modern fashion industry.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
Mara is my main project I work with fat this point, and I hope I will continue to keep it this way as I really enjoy being able to focus on this.
Any recommended means of contacting MARA Knitwear?
Check our website www.mara.md for more information about the project or follow us on Facebook facebook.com/mara.knitwear and Instagram at maraknitwear.
And, of course visit our online store at www.mara.md because we ship worldwide!
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Thank you for this conversation, I am happy you guys decided to talk to us today.
Thank you for your time.
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Fiona Clements a Pakeha, Kai Tahu, Clan Gordon, Craftivist and zero-waste textile practitioner.
She grew up in Waitati, Dunedin and is connected closely with nature and environmentally minded. Her beliefs are reflected in her textile design.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I identify with the earth as a Kai Tahu, Clan Gordon, Pakeha. I am kaitiakitanga for Papatuanuku. I believe we as humans can make a difference in creating a more holistic space for us all to evolve on this earth. One that doesn’t centre around money, fashion or power.
I identify with no religion other than humanity! Love is the answer!
I grew up in Waitati, just north of Dunedin, New Zealand. I spent my childhood at the beach and the outdoors. I am of mixed culture, neither of which I wholly identify with but parts of such I understand and take head.
My grandmother was a tailoress. She had a shop in Dunedin when my mother was small, I spent many hours in both their sewing rooms as a child, I still use my grandmother’s treasures now.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I graduated from Otago Polytechnic School of Design with a Bachelor of Design, Fashion in 2011. Before that I worked as a Signwriter.
Fiona Clements. Pakeha, Kai Tahu, Clan Gordon, Craftivist, Zerowaste Textile Practitioner.
I grew up in Waitati, Dunedin. Connected closely with nature and environmentally minded, my beliefs are reflected in my textile design.
Senorita AweSUMO is my response to workplace related harm. Re-examination of my own beliefs and experience took myself and Senorita AweSUMO into a new phase of life, growing a holistic lifestyle, nurturing and nourishing the whole.
I believe that designers can serve their community by providing solutions to problems. Witnessing the amount of waste created in commercial fashion production, I set about creating a solution.
An opportunity to create unique garments and provide a local solution to a problem facing the fashion system globally.
Reducing waste without compromising style. My designs aim to mitigate environmental harm from modern fashion production. Up cycled garments minimise impact to the environment from disposable consumer items.
Utilising a textile resource recovered from landfill, commercial off cuts, and recycling centres, adding value to otherwise discarded materials.
Senorita AweSUMO empowers ethical and conscious consumers with unique environmental fashion.
Encouraging conscious consumption by spreading awareness and giving an environmental choice in clothing.
Global problem, Local solution.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Whilst studying at Otago Polytech I was disgusted at the amount of fabrics my classmates would throw out as off cuts and toiles they no longer wanted. I started using this out of necessity on a low budget where I couldn’t afford to buy new.
This idea sparked a thought of “If this is how much my one class wastes how much waste is created in the Fashion system globally?” So I explored and found that around 8 – 30% is wasted depending on cut during manufacture!
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
I came into the world of fashion in my late 20’s after experiencing some terrible working conditions of my own in my previous profession. It informed me how to NOT work and how things can be done better. It also gave me a stronger voice in speaking up about what is and isn’t right.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
This is hugely important, we need to show how the system can be better at closing the loop and stop harming the environment and humanity.
What is the importance of fair trade?
Again a large amount of importance as Fair Trade shows value of the commodity and of the humanity that does the work.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Orsola de Castro – From Somewhere and Fashion Revolution.
What is Senorita AweSUMO?
Senorita AweSUMO is my alter ego, a persona I created to escape work related harm, to help myself grow and to have a creative outlet as solution to the problems I see in the world.
What inspired the title of the organization?
An image I have of a badass Senorita taking a stand, and the cartoon South Park where in one episode Cartman dresses up as a robot to trick Butters about something and he has the acronym A.W.E.S.O.M.O written on the front. I adapted this to my needs: “What you have and are as a being should always be honest to self and earth alike!”
What are some of its feature products?
Zerowaste Goddess Tunics are one of my biggest sellers. I use drape a lot in creating my garments.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
As I am zero waste I utilise a lot of fabrics that I find in op shops, recycling centres and off cuts from local manufacturers, these can be vintage fabrics or remnants. If I do purchase fabrics it is natural fibres only such as Merino, Organic Cotton and Hemp and as locally as possible.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Senorita AweSUMO?
I design and manufacture every product, I hope to outsource and employ local sewers and manufacturers in the future.
In regards to growing and harvesting fabrics I can only go off the information I get from suppliers which I do question a lot before I am happy to purchase.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Natural fabrics will yes, I hope that when people are purchasing my products that they are buying for a long term reason at least 30 wears. I am happy for them to be returned to me at the end of their useful life.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Senorita AweSUMO is a gender neutral lifestyle brand but at present mostly caters to woman 18+.
What topics most interest you?
Zerowaste, Human and social equality, Environmental leadership, Product stewardship, Kaitiakitanga, Conscious Consumerism.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
It shows us the realities of the industry that need to be brought to the surface, the western world lives in its own bubble and some enlightenment about what others go through so we can stay clothed is important. It is sad that it has come to this though.
Women and children remain the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
Woman standing up for woman, we are the nurturers, the life givers, the protectors. It is one of the most important things beside climate change, equality for all humans is a must. We cannot have a proper system without this as it degrades humans and makes us feel worthless.
Who is a women’s rights and children’s rights activist or campaigner hero for you?
Every woman who works in the garment industry are my heroes! The woman at Standing Rock. Kia Kaha Wahine Toa.
If women had access and implementation of these fundamental human rights, would their livelihood and quality of life, even working life in the garment factories, improve?
Yes, I definitely think so, if the industrial revolution has taught us anything, it is with those small improvements that quality of life also improves.
When women lose, everyone – boys, girls, men, and women – loses. What might bring this basic fact, with ubiquitous positive consequences, into the public discourse in ‘developed’ and ‘developing’ nations?
These are some really heavy questions which I don’t have answers too at this point sorry.
According to Global Affairs Canada (Government of Canada) in the article entitledWomen’s Economic Empowerment: Guidance Note (2016), women comprise 1/3 of formal business owners, 2/5 of the global workforce, and have responsibility for 8/10 of spending for consumers. Economies and societies lose potential “development and growth” without women. Possible national moral authority lost, too. Rights and economies imply each another. Rights for girls and women develops economies and, therefore, societies. Likewise, economic and societal development gives grounds for implementation of girl’s and women’s rights. What educational campaigns and pragmatic initiatives might the fashion industry encourage and support to improve the chances for girls and women?
Fashion Revolution is doing a great job of raising global awareness in this regard. The many initiatives of sharing educational resources and campaigns are right at the forefront of where and what we need to be doing and encouraging. Woman make up 80% of the workforce in the fashion industry and we need to help them first by raising awareness of their plight, then taking actions to respond to those feelings brought up by the awareness. We can do many things individually and in our communities. We can shop consciously, we can ask questions of our retailers and shop assistants. We can take small actions like the Craftivist Collective, or larger ones like Labour Behind the Label, War on Want and Clean Clothes Campaign, there are many more out there. We as consumers are holding a great amount of power in this instance and until we realise that we will not move forward.
What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights, and the fashion industry?
This relationship is huge and neglected, 80% of garment workers are Woman and children. They need their basic needs met. The need to implement is hugely evident to me. We cannot go on the way we are. We are destroying humanity.
How can individuals get the word out about these extreme children’s rights violations?
Speak up, Ask questions. Be curious, Find out, Do something, get involved in Fashion Revolution!
What mass movements or social movements can fight for the implementation of the children’s rights outside of the fashion industry?
Fashion Revolution, Labour behind the label, Clean clothes campaign, child labour free, craftivism collective, war on want. tertiary, primary, intermediate sectors, businesses, designers, consumers, everyone and anyone is capable of making that choice for themselves, but can they?
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Be transparent, approachable, honest as a designer. By asking questions and getting involved in local actions, take up one of your own. Creating awareness and sharing ideas, collaborating with other forms of art/designers.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at most levels. Why?
Clothing traditionally is Woman’s work is my first answer. We are born to it I expect.
Also, more men than women appear at the highest ends of the business ladder in fashion. Why?
Power.
What might make men more involved in the fashion world in general?
Awareness and creating a space where men are allowed to be emotional so that they are not the only ones who can hold power. Bringing them to a more equal level with Woman.
What might make men more involved in the ethical and sustainable fashion world in general?
Awareness and responsibility to act consciously.
Will having men in the discussion and on-the-ground improve the implementation of children’s and women’s rights?
Yes, as they are the ones leading the workers, they need to be the ones to achieve the actions. This is a conversation for everyone.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Creatively full filled, watching other people learn and share together. Creating community.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
Just Atelier Trust, Fashion Revolution, Grad Dip in Sustainable Practice at Otago Polytechnic, Dunedin Designed Inc and the GUILD store here in Dunedin.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Tansy E Hoskins STITCHED UP – An Anti-Capitalist Book of Fashion.
Holly McQuillan, Timo Rissanen – Zerowaste Fashion Design
I love my friend MelanieChild.co.nz work.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, Senorita AweSUMO?
email senorita.awesumo@gmail.com, check out my website senoritaawesumo.com follow me on instagram, facebook and twitter – SenoritaAweSUMO
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Stepping through my fears.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
Having HNPP, suffering from depression and anxiety at times and having no current fixed abode nor financial security. Being without a dog.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
What you have and are as a being should always be honest to self and earth alike! Senorita AweSUMO 2007.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
We as humanity and consumers hold all of the power to change this industry. We must do it by acting and conversing together to raise awareness. Be Curious, Find Out, Do Something!!!
Thank you for your time, Fiona.
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Charlotte grew up in England as horse lover on the English countryside. She has always loved fashion and earned a BA (Hons) in fashion Design at Nottingham trent University. She has worked in public relations and fashion then founded SAHEL. Here is her story.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
I grew up in England, loving horses and the countryside. As well as horses, I have always loved fashion and did a BA (Hons) degree in Fashion Design at Nottingham Trent University. I loved the creativity, frivolity and escapism of fashion. I went on to work in PR and then as a Fashion Assistant for Karl Plewka at The Observer, before becoming Fashion Editor at The Sunday Telegraph Magazine. I loved it at first but after 6 years I found the superficiality of fashion ground me down. This co-incided with my becoming a Christian. I ended up leaving my job in search of something more meaningful than simply promoting consumption. I swapped my Manolos for flip flops and moved to Cambodia, where I started a magazine for women at the other end of the fashion industry – in the garment factories around Phnom Penh. ‘Precious Girl Magazine’ was an affirming publication for these women who had low literacy levels. It was fun, helpful and inspiring for workers who were not respected much by local society at the time. I handed the magazine to a Khmer team and left to get married after nearly 3 years in Cambodia.
My husband lived among the Fulani people in a small town in the north of Burkina Faso. These are among the world’s poorest, and when I joined him I thought I could do some sort of poverty relief. I explored endangered traditional crafts and my passion for horses, fashion and poverty relief came together when I met a family of reinsmakers, who had all but lost their livelihood due to horses being replaced by motorbikes. In 2012 I launched www.saheldesign.com, blogging about traditional craft techniques, fashion and home accessories. Due to the increased security threat to foreigners in our region, we had to leave our home in the north of Burkina Faso. We returned to London where I am continuing to develop the SAHEL brand.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
My global journey has given me perspective on all sides of the industry, from the couture houses of Paris to the huts of Cambodian garment workers. I understand the allure of new clothes as well as the ugliness of the industry behind some of them. My faith inspires me to strive for social justice and fairness, and to do what I can to inspire others.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
It seems to me that the current system is not working. The demand for cheap clothes and fast fashion is unsustainable and damaging to people and the environment. We need radical change in the way we shop. We need people who care about these factors, as much as they do about profit, to offer a compelling alternative and lead the way for a better future.
Why is fair trade important?
The 10 principles of fair trade mark out the definition of fair trade, and we need that map as a guide if we are claiming any business as fair. Traders in developed countries should be paying a fair wage to producers in developing countries. Anything less than fair is exploitation.
What seems like the importance of a (relative to the country) living wage?
Understanding the living wage of a country is essential, in order to know what is a fair trade. Paying too little is exploitative and damaging. Paying too much can also skew the local economy and cause problems.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
Fast fashion is unsustainable and damaging. Slow fashion encourages us to be more considerate in our spending, so we will consume less and take better care of what we have, which is better for the environment. Slowing down to consider the source of the environment and the people who made it will increase our pleasure in the product, if we have chosen wisely.
How can ethical and sustainable fashion contribute to the long-term sustainable future for the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment?
We need to provide a wholesome yet captivating alternative to fast fashion. We need to shake off fusty clichés and produce cutting edge brands that are intelligent and glamorous. We need consumers to desire sustainability and longevity from their clothes, and to value the source and story behind them. I believe a global shift towards this attitude would be the demise of the fast fashion industry and the manufacturing that currently uses up massive amounts of water, energy and land.
What is SAHEL?
SAHEL is a luxury craft label, working with traditional horse reins makers in Burkina Faso. It is a social enterprise that exists to help alleviate poverty and preserve endangered skills in West Africa. We make fashion and homes accessories and invest profits back into their community. We are a UK registered Community Interest Company.
What inspired the title of the organization?
The Sahel is the region of Burkina Faso in which the reinsmakers live. It means ‘shore’ in Arabic, pertaining to the shore of the desert.
What are some of its feature products?
We sell bags, belts and tassles that incorporate the reins makers’ hand woven leather straps.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
Goat leather, ox leather, hand-woven cotton mudcloth.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of SAHEL?
All of our natural tan straps are made by the reinsmakers in Burkina Faso. They produce the leather, using their own or locally reared free range goats. It is tanned using the pods of their own trees. For weave coloured leather straps, from UK tanned goat leather.
The bags are assembled in England using sustainably sourced leather that is tanned in the UK.
Buckle belts are finished by a bridlemaker in England.
I (Charlie Davies) design the products.
Water use in production is an issue. What is the importance of reducing excess water use in the production of fashion?
Of course we must respect this precious resource. In the Sahel, it is especially precious as there is typically only rainfall for 4 months of the year. Even though SAHEL is a small producer, to ensure the reinsmakers work for us did not affect the local water supply, we installed an additional water pump in the vicinity. Now there is more water available for the whole community than before we started working with them.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Leather does not biodegrade easily. Our leather is a bi-product of meat consumption, so using it for making purposeful accessories is a way of dealing with what otherwise would be toxic waste.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
Our customers tend to be UK based, or with links to West Africa. We sell mainly to women over 30 who have an interest in ethical and sustainable fashion, horses or Africa.
What topics most interest you?
Sustainable fashion and development work.
Did someone mentor you?
This year I had a business coach, Annegret Affolderbach.
What seems like the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional and personal development?
Finding a business coach was critical for me. Being connected to a likeminded professional enabled me to see the way forward. All visionaries need support.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
They show that the dangers of unbridled, mindless consumption are real and fatal.
Any women’s rights activist or campaigner hero for you?
Carry Sommers.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Every time I place an order for straps from the reinsmakers, I know they will be pleased to get it. Each order represents food, medicines and security for these women and their children for a little while longer. I am also satisfied to see that the skill of weaving horse reins is preserved for another generation.
Any other work at this time?
I am proud of the Cambodian garment workers who have fought and won an increase for a minimum wage. I don’t know if Precious Girl Magazine played any part in empowering them to stand up for their rights, but I am glad that I did it.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Magnifeco by Kate Black.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
Please contact me through my website www.saheldesign.com
What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
To keep going through discouragement and rejection.
What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
To know what is good but only do what is best.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
Act justly, love mercy and walk humbly.
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Founded in 2014 by Heidrun Osk, Dimmblá is an Icelandic clothing brand using classic, Icelandic design. She believes in creating beautiful clothes that reflect grace, power and integrity.
Heiðrún Ósk Sigfúsdóttir, CEO, Dimmblá
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
My name is Heidrun and I live in Iceland, an island in the North Atlantic Ocean. I feel a deep connection to Icelandic nature. One of my favorite things is to spend time with my family surrounded be the Icelandic elements. I feel privileged to live so closely to the raw and pure nature.
I previously worked as a manager for orthopaedic company. I have a master’s degree in international business and marketing. I´m creative and I love new challenges so in 2013 I decided to take the leap with my family’s support to start a company and build a brand. Fashion has always fascinated me, however I had very little experience in the fashion field and that was my biggest challenge. I am very fortunate to have great advisors and to work with experienced fashion designer.
What I value the most is a time with my family and I have three beautiful sons who are one, four and six years old. There is never a dull moment.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I was shocked to discover how wasteful and harming to the environment manufacturing common fabrics and materials can be. I want my company to have a positive impact on the environment and our goal is to reduce waste. We do that by using sustainable fabrics that are produced from crops requiring none to low level of chemicals to grow, use less water and leave less waste during production.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
I use my education in marketing and business to create a marketing strategy for Dimmblá and I use every opportunity to deliver clear facts about the clothing industry and inspire people to make a difference.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
Sustainable and ethical companies have an opportunity to change the status quo and be dedicated to both environmental and ethical practices throughout their production processes. They can also educate others so consumers can start questioning how the clothes we wear everyday are made and how, and what kind of conditions manufacturers provide to their employees.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
I believe everyone who truly wants to make a difference and are betting against fast fashion is a hero because it is a challenge to change something that has been the path for decades.
What is Dimmblá?
Dimmblá is an Icelandic environmental friendly clothing brand that offers luxurious nature-inspired clothing for the confident woman who cares for the planet. Dimmblá is Icelandic for “deep blue.” Iceland has a lot of blue, from its magical waterfalls to gushing hot springs and glacier lagoons. At Dimmblá, the designs reflect the spectacular and unpredictable mystery that is nature.
What are some of its feature products?
Our designs are created with nature in mind, and inspired by Icelandic landscapes, featuring patterns made of photographs by some of Iceland’s top photographers.
The Glacial Collection is a reflection upon the current effects of climate change on our planet. This collection features photographs by accomplished Icelandic photographer Ragnar Axelsson, more widely known as RAX.
Our scarves are made of handwoven banana fabric. Created in only a handful of places in Southeast Asia, banana fabric comes from the banana stem after a harvest and is processed into a pliable fibre. The weavers had their skills past down from generation of family members and we want to help preserve their heritage and culture. Not only does this fabric look and feel gorgeous this process creates a valuable new resource from what was once burned or buried. The fabric and the prints make our scarves distinctive and stand out, so each piece is unique.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Our design is for the independent, confident and luxurious woman, who dares to be little different and enjoys self-expression with the desire to remain young and trendy and a need for clothing that fits her changing body shape.
How does Dimmblá differ from other fashion companies in its manufacturing and selling of products?
We are not only designing beautiful clothing but also creating a lifestyle for women who care about the planet and want to feel good what they wear. We want to redefine eco-friendly, ethical fashion by creating luxurious, nature-inspired styles while encouraging more conscientious shopping practices. Our luxurious, nature-inspired eco-friendly fashion brand offers high quality, long-lasting, seasonless design in eco-friendly textiles that use fewer resources and less water. We use certified sourcing partner and support initiatives that increase environmental protection and sustainable development so you can feel good about what you wear.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
We should care for the people who make our clothing and value their experience and expertise. It is crucial to choose a supplier that offers their staff a good environmental condition in the working place, good salaries, paid monthly holiday, no double or nights shifts, provides yearly bonuses and medical insurance. If companies exclude working with factories that do not incorporate human rights than we are one step ahead in making a change in the garment industry.
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
There should always be equality wherever you are and human rights should always be valued. On October 24th 1975, 90% of Iceland’s women refused to work, cook or look after children. The question was raised by women’s movements why young men were taking home higher wages than women when their job was no less physically strenuous? The effect was incredible! Women from all walks of life, young and old, grannies and schoolgirls participated. The participation was so widespread because women from all the political parties and unions worked together, and made it happen. Iceland’s men were barely coping.
Not surprisingly this day was later referred to by them as “the long Friday”. Changes do not happen in a day but this is a powerful way of reminding society of the role women play in its running, their low pay, and the low value placed on their work inside and outside the home. Companies can have a large effect by refusing to work with manufacturers that exploit their work force and should make a regular observation. If we accept this as a norm than there will be no changes.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
I think it is all about equality and balance. Where there is inequality there is imbalance. Shared responsibilities of women and men in all aspects of life is key to the welfare and wellbeing of ourselves and thus our children.
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
By speaking out. Our voices are always they strongest force to create change.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Choose suppliers carefully and build a good relationship. I prefer to work with small factories and I choose to have transparent process where I show photos from the factory when the clothing is being made so my customers can see the working conditions.
What topics most interest you?
Human impacts on the environment.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
I’m privileged to have a few. I seek those who have the knowledge and the will to share it.
Have you mentored others?
Not really. Knowledge is meant to be shared and I hope to share it to those who seek it.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
It is of great value to have mentors with experience that can advise and give different aspects on the business.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
I don’t think gender is relevant to the question. I believe people should choose their vocation by their interest or their passion whether they are male or female.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
I want to make a difference and I want my customers purchase to make a difference.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
We recently went to the magnificent Nýifoss waterfall and Hagavatn glacial lagoon located at the southern edge of Langjökull glacier to photoshoot Dimmblá’s latest collection. At Hagavatn I signed a contract with Icelandic environmental organizations to donate proceeds from our collection and support Establishment of a National Park in the Central Highland of Iceland. I believe a park in this area is one of our biggest step to protect the nature in Iceland“. Icelandic Hydroelectric Power Ltd wants to construct a 20MW power plant in the area. A power plant at Hagavatn would result in the disappearance of Nýifoss waterfall, located in the river that runs out of the lake, and would involve intervention into the epic land formation processes at Langjökull that can teach us a great deal about this subject in a time of rapid climate changes.
Any recommended means of contacting Dimmblá?
You can contact Dimmblá by e-mail dimmbla@dimmbla.is and follow Dimmblá on social media https://www.facebook.com/Dimmbla/ https://www.instagram.com/dimmbla/
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LOZENA is redefining responsible fashion with designs that transcend convention. Family-owned, their Slavic heritage inspires our work and reminds us of what is important – the preservation and celebration of culture, the environment and its people.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
Viktoria: My sister and business partner, Kathrine and I were born and raised in Indiana, USA. Our parents are from the Balkans, Bulgaria and Macedonia, and we grew up speaking those languages, eating traditional foods and learning about what life was like as an immigrant family. Balkan families are very tight-knit – we always admired and enjoyed spending time with our grandparents. Our paternal grandfather was a teacher and revolutionary in Macedonia, our grandmother was a seasoned chef, and our maternal grandmother was a seamstress – a master of leatherwork and embroidery, and folk singer in Bulgaria.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
Viktoria: Creativity runs in the family, and I have chosen to express mine in the form of fashion. My grandfather was a wonderful artist. His sketches were so life-like, his calligraphy was amazing, and he and my father drew their own blueprints and built homes together.
I always thought the clothing, tablecloths and doilies both of my grandmothers made were so stunning. The intricacy fascinated me, and I loved wearing their creations because nobody else had such pieces! My mother and aunt also enjoyed designing and making clothing. They have both always been so refined and elegant that I think their love of style rubbed off on us. My cousin is also an amazing artist – when she came to the US, and I saw her drawings I wanted to be as good as she was!
That being said, I studied Journalism at Indiana University. I dreamed of writing for a fashion publication like Vogue, of course, but I later realized that I very much wanted to continue my creative inclinations and actually design clothes rather than write about them. Everything that goes along with design, like choosing fabric, styling photoshoots and working with producers all over the world was the adventure I wanted to take, so we went for starting LOZENA.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Viktoria: Ethical and sustainable fashion is an extension of my personal values. I did not want my business to contribute to pollution and the depletion of natural resources, nor did I want to participate in the exploitation of workers.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
Viktoria: These companies are actively working to improve an industry that is outdated, can be ruthless and is often frivolous.
What seems like the importance of fair trade?
Viktoria: Fair trade is important because it puts people above profit, which is the reason most businesses ignore it. It is a partnership between producers, suppliers and buyers that is based on transparency and respect. Adhering to fair trade standards means ensuring safe working conditions, fair and agreed upon pay and no child labor.
What seems like the importance of a (relative to the country) living wage?
Viktoria: A country cannot prosper when citizens are neglected and used. Providing a living wage gives workers incentive to do more and to do better. It provides families with food, shelter and access to health care – basic human rights. It shows appreciation and compassion. It proves every job is valuable.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
Viktoria: Much thought and effort go into designers’ creations. We work tirelessly to create original looks, to find quality, sustainable textiles, to develop exact patterns and to make high-value products only to have fast fashion brands rip off our designs and turn them into cheap throw-away clothing. Fast fashion encourages consumers to endlessly shop the newest “trends” they reproduce at lightning speed. Much of fast fashion is made from synthetic materials such as nylon, polyester and acrylic, which come from non-renewable resources like petroleum, and the sheer volume of clothing produced per year is staggering. The resources needed to make so much clothing are rapidly depleting and solid waste is soaring. These are the very reasons a fast-fashion brand, regardless of whether or not it uses organic cotton, is inherently unsustainable.
The Pythagoreans, the Neoplatonists, Aristotle, and the Stoics, William Wilberforce, Baron Erskinecreated the ancient thought about animal rights. Jeremy Bentham, the founder of utilitarianism, discussed the suffering of non-human animals. Peter Singer argues for non-human animal rights too. The Nonhuman Rights Project (NhRP) People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), and others work to support animals and work to enforce their rights. Some fashion manufacture processes violate animals’ rights. What is the importance of animal rights, especially in an ethical and sustainable fashion context?
Viktoria: Treating animals with respect is just like taking care of the environment. Animals are an integral part of the ecosystems and human well-being. I use animal fibers, such as wool, silk and alpaca, in my collections because I believe they are the best materials available to designers as they are renewable and clean, but I seek out producers who do not degrade animals.
Leather is a tricky subject; leather is, in fact, a byproduct of the meat industry, but commercial farming practices are, more often than not, inhumane. Agriculture, along with fashion and oil, is a top polluting industry and cattle is a major threat to the environment. The leather tanning industry is also incredibly toxic and dirty, often dumping waste into waterways, poisoning them.
Mulesing sheep and, or dipping them in pesticides are also horrible practices that must be eradicated.
As for silk, although cocoons are boiled whole, it is one of the strongest, most low-impact (if processed and finished thoughtfully), renewable fibers in the world so I do use it. The worms have been domesticated to a point that they hardly exist in the wild and only live a few days if they emerge from the cocoon.
We are certainly opposed to the use of exotic skins.
What is Lozena?
Kathrine: LOZENA is a family-owned fashion house with a mission to produce high-end, designer womenswear in an ecological and socially responsible manner. We started LOZENA three years ago with our mother because we noticed a lack of sustainable clothing in the upscale, mainstream marketplace. Our ethical philosophy stems from our Bulgarian and Macedonian heritage, and our Slavic roots are reflected in the design aesthetic.
What inspired the title of the organization?
Kathrine: Lozen is the name of the Bulgarian village near Sofia where our mother was born and raised. As we are three women, we opted for the feminine version, LOZENA. It is an homage to the strong women in our family; the traditions, and artisanal craft of the Balkan region.
What are some of its feature products?
Kathrine: Womenswear, including tops, pants, skirts, dresses, and outerwear. We create mini collections that transition from season to season without following the trends demanded from the fashion calendar.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
Viktoria: We use mostly natural fibers. When we use synthetics, it is recycled polyester or upcycled garments and fabric. One of our favorite materials is alpaca wool because alpaca are very earth-friendly animals. They have soft feet that do not dig into the soil, and they do not uproot plants as they eat. Alpaca wool is also known to be four times warmer than sheep’s wool. We also love silk because it is one of the strongest, most low-impact and most beautiful fibers in the world.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Lozena?
Viktoria: I [Viktoria] design each LOZENA garment myself. Thus far, I have used fabric from women’s cooperatives in Cambodia, India and Bolivia and from ethical producers in the Netherlands and Italy. We have also used designer deadstock, which is remnant fabric leftover from other fashion houses. We work closely with our producers in Bulgaria to make each LOZENA piece.
Water use in production is an issue. What is the importance of reducing excess water use in the production of fashion?
Viktoria: Water is life. I cannot emphasise the importance of reducing its use and keeping it clean enough.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Viktoria: Yes, garments made from natural fibers do biodegrade. Synthetic materials, which we use in the form of deadstock or recycled fibers, do not. However, our intent is to make unique, timeless clothing that people will want to keep for generations. If they do dispose of their garments, we encourage consumers to gift them, to recycle or return them to us, or to donate them to credible organizations that do not flood foreign markets.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
Kathrine: Sustainable fashion is still a niche market in the industry. LOZENA’s customers care about, and are conscious of issues such as climate change, water pollution, sweatshop labor, etc.; they are willing to purchase from companies that are having a positive impact on local communities (despite the price premium); and they are fashion risk-takers and trendsetters who want to showcase their personal style with one-of-a-kind, unique pieces from emerging brands.
What topics most interest you?
Viktoria: The entire garment lifecycle. While I work, I constantly refer to an infographic from The Sustainable Angle that depicts every issue, from health risks to CO2 emissions to solid waste at each step of the lifecycle, and I try to find the cleanest material, to make the greenest garment and the fairest product possible. I am also passionate about cultural craft. I love everything that is handmade, and I want to make sure traditions stay alive.
Did someone mentor you?
Viktoria: Many people have influenced me, but a woman I met in Bulgaria a few years ago stands out. She is an environmental champion and a special soul. Since we met, she has encouraged me to continue working toward my goal, one way or another. She is a community builder, and she has inspired and brought together so many like-minded people to grow and advance the cause.
Have you mentored others?
Kathrine: As an organization that cares deeply about women’s empowerment, we make every effort to serve as mentors and examples for other women and girls in our communities. We welcome inquiries for internships and other mentoring opportunities from individuals interested in this field.
What seems like the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional and personal development?
Kathrine: In fashion, as in other industries, the relative scarcity of women in leadership positions is in part due to the lack of women mentors in these roles – to help others secure top positions, and for career development and as a channel for professional growth. Mentors are especially important to women who are starting their careers, as the presence of women performing in executive and upper management positions inspires, influences decision-making, and increases confidence that corporate advancement is attainable.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Viktoria: Consumers speak with their purchases. They have to research what they are buying, but it’s our job to make sure we are not exploiting workers across the supply chain and to make that information available to consumers.
Also, more men than women appear at the highest ends of the business ladder in fashion. Why?
Kathrine: The number of women leading companies in the Fortune 500 is small to begin with – 5% or 25 female CEOs in 2015. None of the apparel companies and conglomerates on the list had women at the helm. Globally, the numbers aren’t much better; only two of LVMH’s fifteen leather & luxury goods brands have women CEOs, and although Kering’s recent efforts to place more women in executive roles has been effective, three of its nine luxury fashion brands are led by women. Often, women in fashion end up starting their own companies, or inheriting family fashion houses (Miuccia Prada).
It’s easy to say that fashion is still an “old boy’s club,” but unfortunately that is the reality. While women are dominating entry-level creative roles and fashion schools’ student bodies, entrenched workplace structures such as lack of flexible work arrangements & parental leave policies, and the likelihood of being a female CEO candidate selected by male-dominated boards of directors contribute to this discrepancy at the top.
Finally, the confidence gap between men and women has perpetuated this phenomenon. A growing body of evidence suggests that success correlates just as closely with confidence as it does with competence, and compared to men, women consistently underestimate their abilities and performance. The confidence gap has real-world consequences for earning potential and upward mobility. Luckily, confidence can be developed and the gap can close. We are looking forward to seeing more women’s leadership on both the business and creative sides to serve as role models for aspiring designers in the years to come.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Viktoria: I am fulfilled when I meet the people who our business has helped. When I listen to their stories, or watch them work. When I make connections with people who share my values. It is a joy to see that we are all working toward a common goal. It’s also a wonderful feeling when your talents are recognized.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Kathrine:
- Eco Fashion (2010) & Eco Fashion Talk by Sass Brown
- Sustainably Chic by Natalie Kay Smith
- AWEAR World & Conscious Chatter podcast by Kestrel Jenkins
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
Kathrine:
Partnerships & Business Inquiries: Kathrine Nasteva, CEO: kathrine@lozenainternational.com
Media & Stockist Inquiries: Viktoria Nasteva, Chief Creative Officer: viktoria@lozenainternational.com
What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Viktoria: It’s a struggle to know how long the road to 100% sustainability is. It’s difficult to understand why businesses are not more concerned about these pressing issues. The lack of variety and availability of moderately priced sustainable materials is also a challenge, and can be frustrating, but this challenge is ultimately what makes our work more rewarding.
Thank you for your time, Viktoria and Kathrine.
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Jussara Lee is a native Brazilian of Korean heritage who has developed a small –scale business operation in which luxury fashion and sustainable practices work in tandem. Since moving to New York City in 1987 to study at the Fashion Institute of Technology, she has designed collections under her signature label that were embraced by prominent retailers such as Barneys and Bergdorf Goodman.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
My parents are from South Korea and immigrated to Brazil in the mid 60’s. It was my paternal grandmother’s idea. She moved the whole family of six kids and their respective spouse, including my newlywed mom. I was born and raised in Brazil in 1967 and have two sisters who also were born in Brazil. One is a year older than me. Her name is Iara Lee and she is an activist, documentary filmmaker. The other sister is 5 years younger and owns a Brazilian restaurant on the same block as my shop in the West Village. My mom is a polyglot and we inherited her gift for languages. Portuguese is my first language and I speak English from living in NY for 30 years, Spanish just from speaking to people, French from school and Hebrew because I was married to an Israeli. Catholicism is the main religion in Brazil and babies get baptized at birth. I got baptized at age 9. It was an awkward situation to go through that ceremony as a young adult. I then converted to Judaism when I got married, for the sake of keeping the husband’s family happy and to have my daughter be accepted as one of them. Other than that I don’t care much for religion.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
My mother raised us as a single mom and we grew up somewhat poor. However, education was always a priority for my mom and she made sure we attended good schools as we compromised on other expenses. I was hanging out a lot on the beach between age 16 until 19 when my mother offer to pay for my studies abroad. She worried I was going to become a beach bum and thought it was a good idea to support my passion for clothing making. I was attending college for French Language and Literature at that time and moved to NY in 1986. I took a job selling movie and art posters and attended fashion school simultaneously. New York was a different city at that time and a very nurturing one when it came to creativity. I used to experiment with outfits that got me into the best night clubs. My friends always wanted to go there with me because they knew I would always get in with no waiting and with drink comps. Ha ha.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I have been in business for 25 years and the real commitment to not producing waste took precedence over everything about 15 years ago when I downsized my company. I used to wholesale to stores like Barneys and Bergdorf Goodman, had a showroom in Tokyo and do runway shows. All of that came to a halt when I realized the nonsense of making so much clothes, the tremendous resources they employed and the residues of their manufacturing: a trail of pollution.
I started questioning the concept of releasing collections 8 times a year around 2001. And after the attack on September 11th, I really went on a self-searching journey and felt the idea of making clothes for people to buy every season made no sense. My foray into it happened when I was introduced to hand tailoring. I ceased to do volume production as a way to eliminate impulse buying and waste and started to offer custom made and made to order service where each piece is cut individually for a specific person. It was valuable for me to offer clients the knowledge of how their clothes were being made. I feel it is a lot more gratifying to have that kind of relationship to the clothes you wear. The decision to slow down was based on my personal belief that less is better, quality is much more important than quantity. I wanted my professional life to be representative of what I believe.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
I have evolved my beliefs and core values through time and experience. If you go through the motions of building a company with your eyes wide open, you actually come up with a lot of conclusions that for the most part go against what the industry and its media accolades project as being right or wrong. I am always questioning and coming up with my own solutions to problems as I see them arising in front of me.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
It is crucial for more companies to let go of the old model of making a profit no matter what the consequences to the environment are. It is essential that we stop denying the pollution and destruction we create while making clothes for people who don’t actually need them. We must to connect the dots, just like when you do in kids’ activity books. It is that simple. But yet, people avoid the reality and don’t question where things come from and where they go once they are disposed. It is a basic concept that gets completely obscured by our dependence on convenience. Once you start practicing moderation, and other behaviours that take in consideration the environment, I realized the compromise is insignificant when compared to the benefits.
What is Jussara Lee?
Jussara Lee is a small luxury brand that defies the conventional approach to luxury. I believe what is precious is to know your clothes were made with the least negative impact to nature possible, that they were made with respect to the makers, in small batches, and locally, so there is no doubt about all the above. And we can accomplish that without compromising the fit, the aesthetics and the quality.
What inspired the title of the organization?
My job is to come up with solutions to problems I consider important to tackle. Blind consumerism is one, disregard to the environment and fellow humans is another. I always knew I was going to use my company to express and exercise my personal beliefs and therefore I called it my own name.
What is unique about your brand?
We employ menswear master tailors and shirt makers to make the women’s clothes. It is rare to find well made clothes for the women.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products and where are they sourced?
We only use fabrics that biodegrade and keep it simple: cotton, wool, linen, cashmere and silk are our staples. And we are now embarking on a circular economy model where those natural fabrics will come from existing clothes and fabrics. That means by next year I want all the clothes we produce, to be made out of materials that don’t come from virgin natural sources because even organic cotton takes a lot of water to be produced. And once they are done with the clothes, they will be able to bring them back for further recycling.
For the most part we use fabrics from local producers and weavers. I design all the clothes and have them produced in the vicinities of our shop and design studio. It gives us a lot more control to have the makers of our products be a subway ride away so we can always interact with them in person. And the goal is to convert all the fabrication, by the end of next year, to materials that already exist instead of raw materials.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
My clients are affluent, urban people who are engaged with the state of the world. I tried to bring them offerings of clothes and services that they actually need. We are working on getting onto client’s closet and purge items that they don’t wear and create textiles out of them, restyle clothes they love and are not ready to part from and mend the ones that need some tweaking.
What topics most interest you?
Waste, garbage, food production, the environment.
The Gender Inequality Index (GII) relates to the empowerment of women, gender equality, and international women’s rights. The progress for gender equity is positive. Regressive forces exist in explicit and implicit forms. What seem like some of the explicit and implicit forms observed in personal and professional life to you?
To deny the women’s right to abortion and to education are both explicit forms of regression. And to use women’s sexuality as a marketing tool has implications that defy common sense and progress. When I first tried to enter the hand tailoring world I experienced resistance from the master tailors. It was like they didn’t think women deserve that level of craftsmanship, were able to recognize the quality, had fleeting taste and were too indecisive. It felt as if they thought women’s place was in the kitchen and we had no business meddling with tailoring.
Two factors seem to matter in the discussion of gender equality in societies: economies and rights. Many girls and women, especially in developing nations, face disadvantages unknown, or less well-known, to boys and men. Women face discrimination in education, health, the labor market, legal status, political representation, and reproductive rights. When women lose, everyone – boys, girls, men, and women – loses. What might bring this basic fact, with ubiquitous positive consequences, into the public discourse in ‘developed’ and ‘developing’ nations.
It is effective to conduct your own life in a way that others can model after. Financial independence from men allowed me to have a voice without the fear of being punished or isolated. A lot of men use money as a controlling device over women. And women succumb to it perpetuating the vicious cycle.
What mass movements or social movements can fight for the implementation of the children’s rights outside of the fashion industry?
The Convention on The Rights of the Child, The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and The Declaration of the Rights of a Child are some of the large movements that protect children’s rights to shelter, food, health care, normal development, discrimination, among others. Save the Children is an organization that implements these rights through donations. And there are smaller ones such as the Lalela Project, that provides education through the arts, to children at- risk.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
We need to stay informed, be inquisitive to dig out the truth and exercise our consumer power and boycott products that are made cheaply through the exploitation of the vulnerable ones. We need to be active, sign petitions, write letters to these companies telling them we are not supporting their product if they don’t stop the abuse and reach out to newspapers, social media, and spread the word.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at most levels. Why?
It is probably because jobs in the manufacturing sector have been associated to a female task and don’t require too much muscle power. And women, specially if they are mothers, will succumb to more abuses than men, because they feel the responsibility of feeding the children at any cost.
Also, more men than women appear at the highest ends of the business ladder in fashion. Why?
Testosterone. Men bully their ways to positions of power. Women are built differently.
What might make men more involved in the fashion world in general?
I don’t see a particular need to make them more involved than they are. Look at the CEO of Zara, an overweight man in his late 60’s, filthy rich and who probably doesn’t even have wherewithal to spend all his fortune. Meanwhile he can’t adjust the workers’ salary so they can live above the poverty line.
What might make men more involved in the ethical and sustainable fashion world in general?
Men are attracted to power and money. If there is a reward for being more conscientious about the environment and human rights abuse, there might be a chance more men will get involved in the solutions.
Will having men in the discussion and on-the-ground improve the implementation of children’s and women’s rights?
I believe inclusion is always good. That way the men can hear first hand, the afflictions these women go through. Hopefully they have sisters and daughters and will heed to their woes and sorrows.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
I see my job as a way of empowering women so they can exercise their influence and help the world become a better place. I must be doing a poor job though because the world seems to get orst by the minute.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I am a conservationist. I try my very best not to create pollution on my account. But I am far from being perfect. I fly on airplanes, that is my biggest sin. I offer my time to give lectures, participate in panel discussion associated to preservation, recycling, environment protection.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Here are some books and videos I recommend: Sacred Economics- Charles Eisenstein, Omnivore’s Dilemma- Michael Pollen, Story of Bottled Water- Anna Lennard, The True Cost- Andrew Morgan, Overdressed- The Shockingly High Cost of Cheap Fashion by Elizabeth Cline, Fashion and Sustainability: Design for Change by Kate Fletcher
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, Jussara Lee?
Good ideas to solve the problem of pollution and waste are the best way to get to us. And we are always open to lend a helping hand.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
The biggest challenge is to thrive as a business without subscribing to the rules of radical capitalism and its economy of scale. In order to grow and be profitable, most companies shift their production overseas to take advantage of unrealistically low wages, inhumane work conditions, or by plundering nature and giving nothing back but pollution. The fashion industry is shored up by big players in the areas of the press, marketing, textile, manufacturing. As a small business, you get overshadowed by the magnitude of these hefty companies and no one pays attention to you or gives you an opportunity because you are not a player in that game, you are not ‘one of them’. For the most part you are ignored or rejected by the industry. Factories don’t want to take your orders because the quantities aren’t big enough. Textile companies don’t want to produce your fabric because you don’t reach the minimums imposed by them. The press doesn’t care about promoting or publicizing your ideas because you aren’t a potential advertiser. Profit at any cost is such a pervasive concept in the times we live but one that I could never come to terms with.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
My personal struggle has been to live in an urban city my whole adulthood. I want to be a farmer.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
Keep it simple and appreciate everything with joy and humbleness.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
This was quite a mental exercise and reflection. Thank you for asking me all these questions.
Thank you for your time, Jussara.
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continued from Part one here
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Help make others aware this is an ongoing problem, this is not in our past, and if you think you’re not privileged you must think again. Luck of being born in a place where women and children working in poor conditions is acceptable is a privilege. We can vote with our dollars, we can be vocal about injustices, we can ask our representatives and elected officials to fight against these policies politically.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at most levels. Why?
I’m not sure why women are drawn to the industry. I think I understand why women are drawn to fashion in general, but working within the industry… Historically cooking, cleaning and sewing were domestic duties expected to be done by women, and techniques have been taught and passed down to young women through generations. Many have fond memories of bond building through these practices. I don’t know how much of that goes on in our society today, maybe women of the future will not have these skills or want to work in the industry.
Also, more men than women appear at the highest ends of the business ladder in fashion. Why?
That I think that has to do with inherent masogny and the historic nature of men being the work force long before it was acceptable for women to work. This is not unique to fashion but a systemic issue in gender equality at large.
What might make men more involved in the fashion world in general?
It seems to me men are incentivized by money and power. So are women, but in a potentially emasculating (a word which has NO feminine equivalent) position I think that most men selfishly need to benefit excessively to comply. Which doesn’t make sense to me, because the ratio would be in a man’s favor if he happened to be available and looking for female companionship – not to mention the strong connections that are built between designer and client, these are things I think a typical dude would love to take advantage of! I certainly went to college with guys who leveraged the fashion angle! When I was making money altering clothing I had tons of women and girls in and out of the studio (which was my husband’s childhood bedroom, we live in the house he grew up in), lots of prom dresses, bridesmaid dresses and wedding dresses. I think it’s hilarious to imagine how blown his prepubescent mind would be if he knew then how many naked women would be in that room one day!
What might make men more involved in the ethical and sustainable fashion world in general?
I think that knowing we are on the right track to affect great change in the whole world is incentivizing to everyone! The ethical and sustainable fashion world is a space that is challenging, rewarding and fulfilling, peace of mind and soul nurture are side effects of working in a field that supports and protects all life systems.
Will having men in the discussion and on-the-ground improve the implementation of children’s and women’s rights?
Absolutely. The more diverse and inclusive group in on any conversation, the greater the likelihood is of finding a successful and effective solution. Also seeing how valuable the work truely is cannot be ignored once in the discussion and on the ground.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
I really believe that even the tiniest drop in the bucket creates a ripple effect. I am encouraged by playing an active role in ethical and sustainable fashion, I can sleep at night, I believe in what I do, I feel so lucky and fulfilled by fighting with fashion.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
Themis and Thread has recently partnered with a master milliner to upcycle our cutting floor waste.
I’m also wrapping up editing a story about Themis and Thread’s journey for Shatter the Ladder’s next issue.
I’m always politically activated.
There is an evolving fashion item implementing technology that I have been trying to get off the ground, sourcing in The United States has proved problematic. But we are trying hard to develop a top that is protective and responsive for activists being attacked, which we’ve sadly seen a lot of this year
It’s the holiday season and we just partnered with The Navajo Water Project to offer some gifts that give; donating a portion of sales of certain products directly to the not for profit who is providing water to Americans.
Wednesday I am riding to the state capital with a local group of water defenders for a conference and rally at Govenor Cuomo’s office contesting a potential hazard to our local community. Gas Free Seneca is lead litigation not for profit defending Seneca Lake from out of state oil interests attempting to store gas within the abandoned salt caverns below the lake.
We have also fought this with fashion via our Activist Ts which have served as a fundraiser.
Tomorrow I am going to a native fire ceremony in solidarity with Standing Rock and continue to write about the injustices there.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Kate Black and also the book “Women in Clothes.”
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, Themis and Thread?
Tweet me @themisandthread, email jessecreates@icloud.com, or call 607-546-8040
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Separating myself from my product.
Also, I had a really emotional experience sewing recently for a woman with cancer, I could tell you about that if you’d like.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
I struggle with negative people who focus on the worst of everything.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
The two things my father hammered into my head:
Treat others the way you wish to be treated.
Leave any space you’ve visited just as good or in better condition than it was before you.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Wow, that was great! I didn’t read through first and was really pleased with the flow of the questions, great conversation, love where we just went – thank you!
My involvement with ethical and sustainable fashion began with a love for fashion and creating. I feel like I’m an accidental advocate. If there were not such rampant injustice in the industry and the world I would still be making clothing. The fact of the matter is our entire world is under siege. I can’t think about making beautiful clothing if the whole shit house is going up in flames. This is about environmental responsibility and basic human rights (one of which is a healthy environment!)
Thank you for your time, Jesse.
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The Mission of Themis and Thread is to continue dedication to victimless fashion, wearable art, healthy environmental practices and equal human rights. Owner Jesse Junko Beardslee creates fashions from concept to completion in Hector, New York with as many American made fabrics, trims as well as recycled materials. Read more about her below.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
Both of my parents were artists. I don’t know much about my father or his family. My mother raised my younger brother and I in Central New York, a rural lakeside community in The Finger Lakes Region. A hippie and a farmer, my mother taught us to be free thinkers and hard workers. Growing up in a relatively homogeneous, poor, white, agricultural area did not prevent us from experiencing and celebrating diversity and culture. (English speaking, no religion)
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I went to college for fashion at an art and tech school in the early 2000’s, though I never subscribed to much of the industry and was never interested mass production of garments. I’ve always created, though most of my early work experience was in the service industry. Since 2004 I have freelanced art, custom design, and alterations. In 2013 I launched Themis and Thread, a micro manufacturer of clothing and jewelry created with sustainable materials. I also continue to produce custom gowns for private clients.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Probably when I actually started to create fashion as a teenager. Although I’ve always been aware of the injustices within the infrastructure of the fashion industry. As a kid I was aware of slave and child labor and dangerous working conditions, but thought it wasn’t something I could do anything about. It makes me really sad to know that it’s kind of a running joke to the average American.
I’ve always been interested in self sufficiency. Figuring out how to do things for myself has been a passion, probably from watching my mother do it all on her own when I was a child. So sustainability in all aspects of life is revealed once you consider the hows and the whys to anything. Fashion is just the same.
When I started making fashion items I started thinking about the processes and components. Being poor made think about sustainability because I couldn’t afford certain materials, and on a quest for self sufficiency researched how things are made. I have always been interested in working with items others consider garbage.
Working with what you’ve got is how I began creating jewelry when I was dead broke. Living on the road also taught me about sustainability, space for tools, opportunity for sales. Themis and Thread combines all of those lessons and puts them to work for our eclectic line made of organic and upcycled materials.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
Pretty classically. I took courses like “Clothing Construction”, “Draping”, “Pattern Drafting”, “Fashion Illustration” and so on.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
The global enormity of the fashion industry allows ethical and sustainable designers an awesome opportunity to make real change and impact. There is a systemic malady deeply ingrained in today’s society that is resulting in ecological devastation. The simple fact that the fashion industry in whole employs some 60 million people means that ethical and sustainable designers and companies have great influence. Just think of the resoration possibilities if this giant industry turned away from unjust, inhumane, dangerous, dirty, practices and instituted ethical and sustainable systems. That’s what we call fighting with fashion.
What is the importance of fair trade?
Fair Trade is a great start, although local sourcing eliminates pollution and underrepresented costs during delivery. Fair Trade is important because the value of a human’s skilled work is important and deserves to be acknowledged. The message we’re sending when we toss out a cheap article of clothing is that human who made it was a throw away person.
What is Themis and Thread?
A micro manufacturer of clothing and jewelry made from 100% American made sustainable materials.
What inspired the title of the organization?
Themis is the name of a goddess representative of many things including justice and seasons’ change. I first discovered the word while nurturing my obsession of my favorite band, The Doors. Jim Morrison’s girlfriend had a boutique in LA in the 1970’s that was named Themis, when I looked it up and found out it meant The Goddess of Justice I knew my business name would include it one day. Other than indicating a component and process the word Thread in the title is to remind us there is at least one common thread which binds us all and that is our humanity.
What are some of its feature products?
Goddess Wrap, Merry Gold Belt Pouch, and Guitar String Bracelets.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
Organic Cotton and Vintage Fabrics.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Themis and Thread?
American farmers in Texas grown, harvest, sort, spin, mill, knit or weave the fibers. Some are dyed with low impact techniques there, some are GOTS dyed and printed in The Carolinas. We have a mostly one-woman operation in a sewing studio in New York where most of the designing, drafting and constructing takes place.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
The organic cotton is made from a seed hair cellulose and does not undergo any chemical treatments, so not only will it biodegrade, but it will do so safely. Our Merry Gold Belt Pouch is made from an in house designed textile whose base is untreated art canvass we steam printed w marigold petals in a process we call Heavy Petal, no heavy metals are used to affix the natural dye, dissimilar from conventional fabric dyes. We also use some other American made non organic cotton denims which will biodegrade. The varied nature and unknown content of available vintage textiles we use makes that difficult to detmine.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Our customers are activists and educated educators, they love life and are awesome! 18-60 college educated, interested in environmental policy, altruism, American made, organic living. Many of them are artists and homesteaders themselves.
What topics most interest you?
Sustainability & Self Sufficiency, Enriching & Healthy Wholistic Living
Did you have a mentor in this work?
Have had many, still do! My Mother, Mother-n-Law, and Grand Leslie, Marie Fitzsimmons and Mary Wittig, beautiful enlightened inspiring women.
Continued in part two here.
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Luca Jouel is a boutique Australian fine jewellery brand celebrating a sophisticated yet organic beauty. Founded on a passion for creating beautiful heirloom quality jewellery with a modern sensibility, their pieces combine ethically sourced diamonds, gemstones and mixed precious metals together with luxury hand finishes and a love of the details.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I am essentially of English heritage and am English speaking. My father was born in Northern Ireland though when his father, after having served in the RAF during World War II, moved his family there in order to take up the position of head gardener to the estate of the Duke of Abercorn, the late Lord Hamilton. Some years later in 1953 he accepted a position as director of the Royal Tasmanian Botanical gardens and so the family, consisting of his wife Edith May, my father and his three siblings, moved all the way to Hobart, Australia. My father then went on to join the RAAF, met my mother in Darwin and we travelled around a lot. I was born in Malaysia and have lived in Melbourne, Perth twice, Maryland and Canberra. My mother is a dressmaker and was born in a small country town in Western Australia. When I was 12 she insisted we settle back here in Perth and my father then left the air force and took up a position at the Bureau of Meteorology. My mother’s own mother had been dragged here – her words! – on a ship from England when she was eight and also married an enlisted man and had four children.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I have enjoyed two vocational passions, gemmology and naturopathy, for which I have studied and worked for years in both occupations. I have always had an interested in health care and the causes of illness, as well as gemstones since I was a small child. After high school I started studying to be a Naturopath over many years whilst I worked in various hospitality and retail type jobs. I then went on to work for a prominent jewellery valuation laboratory here in Perth where I was responsible for gemstone identification and authentication. During this time, I also received my qualifications as a gemmologist, diamond grader, and synthetic, imitation and treated gemstone appraiser.
All in all I consider myself a passionate life-long learner and will no doubt do more in the areas of health research and holistic health care in the future.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
My interest in ethical and sustainable fashion is an extension of this. Toxic chemicals are very often involved in many processes of making jewellery, clothing and accessories, cosmetics and other personal care items. The effects on people and our shared environment are very real. Just one example of this stark reality was presented by EWG President Ken Cook in 2012 when he shared information about how babies are born pre-polluted with as many as 300 industrial chemicals in their bodies…. the majority of which were industrial chemicals and the break down products of pesticides banned more than 30 years ago. Unbelievably disturbing! And they were American babies. What’s happening to the babies of mother and fathers in developing nations that are involved first hand in industrial manufacturing work and intensive agricultural methods?
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
Well I consider myself to be an ethical person. I am a proponent of nature cure and as such the nature has to be in health for that to be relied upon for the health of everyone. I care about people and animals in general; and more specifically I care about the major disparities involving children and women, and I care about environmental pollutants affecting the health of people and animals adversely. I see the multitude of chronic and serious problems and don’t feel I can just turn a blind eye.
In establishing Luca Jouel, I wanted to make sure that I did it the best way I could. I wanted to make sure that the people in my supply chain adhered to policies that did not take advantage of the people in their employ, and that they adhered to processes designed to limit their environmental impact. No matter what we do we will all have an effect; there is no way not to while living our lives and being productive individuals. However I believe it is important to try one’s best to make the best possible choices to try to have the most positive effect. And this is generally not the easiest route; it requires extra time researching, saying no to some opportunities for the greater good and all round being conscious of every decision you make.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
When the fashion industry is considered to be the 2nd largest pollutant on our planet behind oil and is rife with gender and age biased maltreatment, the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies has become paramount. The current situation will only change if there are people who actually care about our shared environment and substantial global social inequities and who are prepared to demonstrate that by taking affirmative action by consciously designing their products and having transparent business practices.
What is the importance of fair trade?
It can be hard for many people to understand the real effects of their purchasing choices in an unregulated market as a consequence of geographical distance, busy lives and general lack of education around the issues involved. Many are not able to resolve the true meaning of what that bargain $5 T-shirt might actually mean in the life of someone who was involved in its creation.
This is where Fair Trade comes in. Fair trade means decent working conditions and stable prices that aim to cover the costs of sustainable/pesticide-limited production for the farmers and people actually making the products – and their families located in 58 countries. This in turn raises their standard of living and supports the further positive development of their communities. Fair Trade empowers and connects people, which is ultimately beneficial for everyone near and far. Fair Trade means that what you buy matters and actually helps others to live better lives.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
This is a hard question, there are so many people doing really great things within the ethical and sustainable fashion world now!
One person I would like to highlight in particular though is a lady I have had the pleasure of making the acquaintance of this past year. Her name is Diana Verde Nieto and she is the co-founder, along with Karen Hanton MBE, of Positive Luxury. Diana started with the idea of trying to create a way to inspire people to buy better and also to influence brands to do better. I am proud to say that Luca Jouel is part of the Positive Luxury community having been awarded the Butterfly Mark which is the sole trust mark that exists in the luxury industry today. We were awarded the Butterfly Mark in recognition of the fact that we take pride in our craftsmanship, service and design whilst caring for our employees and suppliers and our planet’s finite resources. I love the concept underlying the Butterfly Mark and believe it is particularly clever in its practicality because consumers are able to easily recognize brands that care and that are part of the solution to drive positive change globally.
What is Luca Jouel?
Luca Jouel is a boutique Australian fine jewellery company celebrating a sophisticated yet organic beauty. Founded on a passion for creating beautiful heirloom quality jewellery with a modern sensibility, our pieces combine ethically sourced diamonds, gemstones and mixed precious metals together with luxury hand finishes and a love of the details.
What inspired the title of the organization?
I decided on the name Luca Jouel essentially because I have a love of travel and languages. Luca is a truncated version of my surname Lucas, and although it is said to have several European origins, I like to think of it as being derived from one of my most favourite places, Italy! Luca is also said to mean bringer of lightand paired together with the old French word for jewel, I felt it was a perfect fit.
What are some of its feature products?
Our collections feature rings, necklaces, earrings and bracelets set with both finest quality diamonds and gemstones as well as lower quality stones that are both unique and aesthetically pleasing. Beauty is not always about perfection and our pieces aim to celebrate and showcase both the finest of fine but also the natural beauty of gem stone inclusions as is possible. I have an affinity for design that evokes a sense of nostalgia and old world charm, and that is of quality above all else.
What are the main materials used in the products?
In acquiring the elements for our pieces, Luca Jouel is committed to the legitimate and ethical sourcing of materials and maintains a policy of dealing only with companies who demonstrate that same commitment to ethical trading and warrant their own reputable supply chain and general business conduct.
The primary metals we use are gold, platinum, palladium and silver. The principle specialist manufacturers we engage are members of the Responsible Jewellery Council and also follow sourcing procedures that are fully compliant with the LBMA Responsible Gold Guidance and OECD Due Diligence Guidance for the Responsible Supply Chains of Minerals.
We also use diamonds that have been purchased from legitimate sources not involved in funding conflict and in compliance with United Nations resolutions and the World Diamond Council’s System of Warranties. Our coloured gemstone suppliers also warrant that they have been sourced ethically. I have a particular love of spinels, sapphires, tourmalines, tanzanite, tsavorite and malaia garnets, labradorite and rubies.
Considerable thought has gone into our packaging and after much trial and error we decided to opt for handmade sustainable bamboo boxes that are not overly branded so that they can be re-purposed as keep-sake or trinket boxes.
Who designs and manufactures the products of Luca Jouel?
I design each piece of jewellery or the concept behind each piece. Some pieces are handmade for which I primarily work with one jeweler of some 30 years experience, Kian Dastyar, here in Perth. Other pieces are made using CAD/CAM, hand-assembly and hand-finishing by expert crafts people either here in Australia or with a smaller family manufacturer in Hong Kong that also employ skilful diamond and gemstone setters. For these pieces I also work with two CAD designers, one of which is in India and the other in the Ukraine. In Australia all our diamonds and gemstones are set by one master setter. And lastly our chains are custom crafted in Germany and Hong Kong.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Having come from a predominantly health care/science background it has been a fantastic experience doing something creative. I like creating a collection of pieces along a certain thematic idea and I like then creating the photographic images. I have always been a very visual person and these are the elements I enjoy actively creating.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I still see some Naturopathy clients. I very much love to help anyone with health issues if I am able to do so.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
I am quite a fan of Margaret Zhang. I love her imagery and think she is a very clever and creative talent. She has also just recently authored her first book which is a volume of photo essays entitled In the Youth of our Fury. I would actually love to collaborate with her.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, Luca Jouel?
I can be contacted either by email at tereena@lucajouel.com or by telephone, +61 422 587 70 and am always interested in expressions of interest.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
I have also found the whole process of being an entrepreneur quite lonely and isolating at times, though this is improving as I form new relationships with others in business and engage with customers. I am also very grateful for all of the support I have received thus far from everyone at Positive Luxury, especially brand relationship executive, Catherine Mugnier.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
I have a few that I live by. I believe that life rewards effort. I believe you should try always to be kind if nothing else. And I believe that you should strive to always be true to who you are, and not risk integrity and beliefs for money or stature. The grass is never truly greener elsewhere. Remember to keep your sense of humour, at the end of the day life is always about perspective.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Thank you for this opportunity to give more thought to my own knowledge and beliefs. These questions have enhanced my awareness yet again and also my resolve to continue to do the best that I can do to help other people and our planet.
Thank you for your time, Tereena.
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brm is a luxury eco and ethical clothing label, designed and made in the UK.
They are committed to sustainable policies including fair trade/fair wage initiatives, animal rights issues, commitment to eco-friendly fabrics and practices and carbon offsetting.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I grew up in North East England, near Durham, in an ex-mining village – my immediate family all live in neighbouring villages, and having done my family tree, most of my recent ancestors did too. I guess I was raised Christian (my family have a Methodist background) but we weren’t very serious about it, and we don’t ever go to church now.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I loved art at school but wanted a more practical career, and was dedicated to pursuing fashion as a career as soon as I realised fashion was an industry that you could work in! I studied Fashion Design (specialising in Womenswear and pattern cutting) at Northumbria University, graduating in 2011 with a First Class degree with Honours. I showed my final collection at Graduate Fashion Week in London that year. I interned at a fast fashion supplier in London during my course, and at independent label Reality Studio (then in Berlin, they’ve sinced moved their HQ to Porto!) after I graduated. I loved living in Berlin – it’s such a young and vibrant city – but there aren’t a lot of permanent fashion jobs in Berlin, just lots of young startup labels.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Sustainable fashion wasn’t my starting point when I decided to start a label. brm actually began very organically; I was just making pieces for myself, similar to vintage pieces I already owned which were starting to fall apart. I grew Collection One out of those pieces and when I began researching fabrics, I remembered an organic cotton company I’d come across when doing the research for my Final Collection at University, which had the sort of fabrics I wanted. Unfortunately that company no longer existed, but I did find several other UK-based fabric vendors who specialised in organic and fairtrade fabrics and had great collections of fabrics which worked well with my ideas. I also wanted to keep production close to home so that I knew the people who were working on my pieces and could visit the factory whenever I needed to – that was a response to Rana Plaza and the thought that companies can’t be sure of the standards of factories without visiting, and knowing that while the price of manufacture would be much lower outside of the UK, I would rather have that peace of mind. I’m also a great believer in keeping things local where possible, the factory is about 50 miles from my home! When I started to sell those pieces online, I used those attributes to market brm. In doing so, I’ve joined communities of ethically minded people on social media and found myself more and more interested in that area, meaning I’m striving to make ethical choices in as many areas as possible, rather than just chancing upon being ethical.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
My time working in the high street supply chain really informed that that’s not what I wanted to do with my career, especially after working at Reality Studio. At high street level, it’s just creating for consumption, giving the most options for the buyers, having samples made that you know the buyer won’t go for. There’s very little room to be creative, because buyer’s only want to buy what they know will sell. After my time at Reality Studio, where, despite only being an intern, I felt I had a lot of creative input, and where the pattern cutting was challenging and interesting, I knew there was a market for better design and knew that that would inform my future career.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
I think the existence of these companies is essential, though I do think that as ethical pioneers we need to remember that while ethically minded customers might be easy to sell our products to, the majority of consumers are not looking for and don’t care about ethical products necessarily. Our products need to not only compete with non-ethical items in terms of both good design and longevity, but in fact need to be better than the non-ethical equivalents, to win over those consumers who have that little extra money to spend on better quality goods. I don’t think we can get away from the fact that ethical goods are more expensive – even though there’s good reason for that, as it means everyone in the supply chain is being paid fairly – but our expectations have been lowered by the race to the bottom in prices and it’s going to take a lot of work to turn that around.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
I really admire Livia Firth, who I hadn’t really heard of as a public figure until getting involved in the ethical community. She’s working hard within her influential social circle to push ethical fashion and eco living as an alternative. I also have lots of praise for Irish comedian Aisling Bea, who is a young up-and-coming face on British TV and who champions brands such as Reformation in her TV appearances and media interviews.
What is brm?
brm is an eco and ethical womens clothing brand, designed and made in the UK, with a focus on vintage style cuts and details.
What inspired the title of the organization?
It’s my surname with the vowels missing! I always thought my name wasn’t very “fashion-y” but brm sounded quite cool. Unfortunately this means that Google brings up British Racing Motors before our website, though!
What are some of its feature products?
My favourite Collection One piece and a product which stands out for me is the Pleat Sleeve Jacket. It’s a biker style cropped jacket with statement sleeves in rich Navy Blue which photographs beautifully – it’s one of our non-organic pieces, but it is still ethically produced in the UK. Our other key product is the Panel Dress with its gorgeous 40’s style cut. It’s very fitted and flattering, with a flip out hem and contrasting plaid check yoke, but it also has pockets which don’t break the line of the dress. I think that’s important, to make sure these pieces are practical where possible so the consumer can get as much wear out of them as possible.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Professional women, aged around 30-65 – this is my target market as the prices of brm pieces probably prohibit younger women from buying into the brand. The style of brm is chic and timeless, but the cotton fabrics give a casual edge to our pieces. I hope this makes them versatile and easily dressed up or down for day-to-night wear; for the busy modern woman.
What topics most interest you?
In terms of inspiration? Vintage clothing, particularly pre-50s clothing when most people made their own, so essentially everyone could be a designer – there are a lot of interesting ideas and design features to be inspired by. I’m also constantly inspired by structures from nature; lots of projects in my commercial design portfolio have been inspired by patterns, prints, and shapes from nature. Film and TV are also inspirations.
Women and children remain the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
I always say that fast fashion is a feminist issue – I think it’s very hypocritical of women’s rights campaigners in the western world to ignore the rights of women and children in the developing world on issues such as this. I think the promotion of the rights of women and children should be a key cornerstone to any ethical company. I think ethical companies can and should do more promote such causes – we already have a captive audience! Our social media followers are already (you would imagine) interested in ethical issues, eco issues, sustainability, fair wages and fair trade, workers rights, all of that sort of thing. A quick share of a relevant article gets it in front of more eyes. Some companies are doing this right – we have information about our factory on our ‘ethics’ page on our website, but we’re made in the UK, for a fair wage so there’s not a lot of reassurance that’s needed. Sometimes you’ll find an ethical company, like Everlane, who produce in countries with a question mark over them, such as China, but they are very open about precisely which factory the product is made in and give lots of information which is essential for truly ethical companies, I think.
What mass movements or social movements can fight for the implementation of the children’s rights outside of the fashion industry?
Children’s rights are always bound up in women’s rights, so the feminist movement should play a large part in fighting for children’s rights. More so than I see it doing, certainly. Worker’s rights movements, too. In the UK, it was labour and worker’s movements which helped to stop dangerous child labour in our cotton mills, coal mines and other dangerous industries. Those who fight for workers in the developed AND the developing world should fight also for children’s rights worldwide.
You can order brm products from their website, or find them at the following sites:
Ecohabitude: ecohabitude.com/stores/brm/products
Etsy: etsy.com/uk/shop/brmstudio
Folksy: folksy.com/shops/brm
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Vanessa Devaki Andrew is an artist, illustrator, clothing & textile designer and producer, community educator and reuse entrepreneur living and working in Milwaukee WI, USA. Milwaukee is also home to her USA-made sustainable reuse clothing brand Madam Chino which started 2003, and strives to remove the vanity and social irresponsibility from fashion through creative reuse.
Tell us about your background
I grew up in Milwaukee County in Wisconsin, USA and for my childhood formative years lived on a farm appreciating nature. My father was a Hare Krishna, and we would go to the Krishna Temple in Chicago, sometimes bringing our cows and parading in the streets during Janmashtami, chanting and drumming with flower garlands. I felt the uniqueness of this experience and it allowed me to appreciate life and culture outside of mainstream American living.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
My family moved to an urban setting and began college not needing to soul search. My grandmother was an artist, and artistry was in our family genes. I was not as good at rendering as my sisters, but ideas and brainstorming was my forte. Craftsmanship came after. Before I started making clothes, I was sort of at the pinnacle of “anti-fashion.” In high school, I figured that high fashion equated vanity, and I wanted to make sure that my friends liked me for who I was and not for what I looked like. I combined many styles as a way to symbolically cross-reference every style simultaneously in hopes to negate any one of them and not be “labeled.” At the time, I didn’t realize that I was using fashion in an attempt to make a point and for self-expression. And in the end, people would call me a “freak” anyway.
At 19, I began tailoring my own garments. I realized that there was a reciprocal determinism between what you feel like and what you look like. Using clothing as a tool of communication can transform the wearer to new states of awareness and consciousness. This happens when the wearer’s confidence and sense of self are increased through this amazing process of expression. I became Madam Chino in 2003. As Madam Chino, I began reconstructing garments, mostly dresses and T-shirts on which I screen print my drawings. I became very amazed with how various parts of clothing items could be cut and reconfigured to fit congruently elsewhere on the body with little to no scrap, which sparked my interest in zero waste design. I use all scraps and reformulated on a piece as surface design or save and recreate in smaller designs, which seemed to invent themselves based on the left over shapes.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I was hesitant to begin a “career” in fashion because I didn’t want to support an industry so full of vanity and social irresponsibility. Besides wanting to make people feel good about themselves through expression, what finally gave me the “go” was realizing that reclaiming old clothing was not only stopping them from becoming landfill, but could circumvent new materials extraction, fabrication, and transportation. This was socially responsible! I use my old clothes, clothes that are handed down or donated to me, thrifted items, or bulk textiles purchased from rag houses.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
As an artist by nature, and an “outsider” to mainstream media culture looking for unique and expressive clothing options not available in “mall stores” I began viewing clothing as “soft sculpture,” “utilitarian art,” “wearable art,” and “accessible art.” I was working as an illustrator in the painting program at the University and stumbled into screen printing, which combined with reuse textiles, became an expressive mode of art.
What is Madam Chino?
Madam Chino is a reuse clothing label. Online it is completely made-to-order from recycled t-shirts as a way to consolidate listing individual, unique found-fabric garments, and to avoid over-production. It is essentially very similar to American Apparel in that it is almost completely knit-wear by size and color, except I use recycled t-shirts; in order to create consistency, the articles are flipped inside out and buyers accept slight variation in color. In person, the Madam Chino line is utilitarian wares and wearables from recycled materials with a much broader range including cloth napkins, dish towels, hot pads, washrags, mittens, hood scarves, laundry bags, tote bags, flag bunting, rugs, dresses with unique skirting, steering wheel covers, and many more all from recycled fabric. These items are offered wholesale to local shops however the purveyor must accept the variation based on the nature of reuse fabrics. This accounting for diversity while offering consistency is a huge logistical battle with merchandising reclaimed goods.
What inspired the title of the organization?
While thrifting one day I bought a shirt with white velveteen iron-on lettering that said “Madam Chino” and I wore it all the time. “Chino” or “khaki” was a fabric I was working a lot in and I loved the idea that maybe I was “Madam Chino.” It inspired me to get into a creative persona to work with fabrics, cutting them apart and recreating them. I adopted the name when I was not able to find anyone on the Internet using this name, however I do wish I would know who the first Madam Chino was.
What are some of its feature products?
For the made-to-order from recycled T-shirts line, there is a broad range of shirts and skirts, mostly for women but some adoptable for men. I am working on creating a men’s line with raglan sleeves where you can switch the colors of the sleeves and collars out. The goal is to be customizable. Offline I am interested in finding all ways to use scrap fabrics, and have been making many quilted items, have spent many hours whittling away at scraps culling the pieces and sorting them. The tiniest pieces I am weaving into rugs! I am also taking custom orders, mostly creating heritage quilts, pillows with memory pockets, tote bags and messenger bags for people from their late as well as living relatives clothing, as well as costumes for dance squads, custom fits, plus offering classes and alterations/repairs in shop.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
Most of the fabrics that I find or are given/donated to me are polyester or cotton blends either knits like t-shirts but also woven fabrics with different patterns on them. I use a lot of Snuggies, which are bountiful in thrift stores as winter mitten liners, and quilt batting. I love using 70s double knit polyester for gloves because it is essentially indestructible.
Who designs and manufactures the products of MADAM CHINO?
Madam Chino is made from all recycled textiles, either from donations, thrift stores, or industrial textile sorting facilities. They are completely manufactured in house at Madam Chino in Milwaukee WI USA on used industrial sewing machines.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
To provide a service to others is very meaningful. I find fulfillment from helping others and the planet.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I am working with a few art organizations in Milwaukee providing in school supplementary art education through project-based learning and after school programs, integrating textile and pattern-making into socio-cultural programming. I have been teaching community education for over 10 years and have worked with dozens of organizations.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
As far as videos I am very much into “Story of Stuff” and “True Cost” Movie. I love how “Reformation” has popularized conscious consumerism, but there are many amazing artists and designers doing top notch stuff on etsy and elsewhere, and I applaud anyone hand-making or buying hand-made, even better if it’s from reuse, and organic fabrics.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, MADAM CHINO?
Email me! madamchino@gmail.com
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Not always feeling validated by society can be very hard. Again, reaching out to others in a similar vein is very important for gathering a sense of community.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
I’m not sure. I think when I have trouble, I look at my past experiences and it reminds me that I can get through it, and that helps. It’s like art therapy or something, each project is a metaphor for life.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
DIY, it’s the best. It empowers people to take control of their own lives, and author their own culture instead of let someone else.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Thank you so much for your time and efforts in this field.
Thank you for your time, Vanessa.
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2017/03/27
Redemption Market is a boutique featuring a variety of fair trade gifts. They choose only the highest quality products, focusing on sustainability and ethical treatment of the designers and artisans. Every purchase makes a difference and is a step toward recovery and rehabilitation.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I’m a wife, mom, and founder of Redemption Market, an ethical boutique based in Phoenix. We have three amazing teenage daughters who also help with the business. I love camping, gardening, and spending time outdoors.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on? How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Redemption Market was founded in 2013. We had just adopted our youngest daughter from Peru, and she was ten at the time. Previously I had been a middle school Spanish teacher, so I quit my job to stay home and teach our new daughter English and get her caught up in school.
I saw an advertisement online from Sak Saum, an organization that was helping women rescued from trafficking. They were looking for ambassadors in the US to carry their products and share their message. So, it all started with selling one small box of purses and jewelry, and has now expanded to over fifteen organizations!
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
My travels in South America as a college student really opened my eyes to the plight of workers worldwide, and I wanted to choose a career path that would somehow better the lives of people.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
If no one stands up for the rights of workers, fast fashion will continue to reign, with lowest prices and cheapest quality being the most important factors in production. Someone needs to share with the public the truth of how items are made and share resources for producing clothing in an ethical manner.
Sometimes it’s a hard road to travel, because profit margins are slimmer and turn-around times are longer, but it’s worth it for the workers to be able to do dignified work and receive fair wages.
What is the importance of fair trade?
I think that the term “fair trade” is something that a lot of people throw around but don’t really understand what it truly means. Someone might praise their coffee as “fair trade” just so they can feel good about the purchase. I think more and more companies are realizing that more and more consumers care about where their product comes from, especially among the younger generation.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Muhammed Yunis was the first person who introduced me to the idea that poverty is a problem that could actually be eradicated. Until that point, I had assumed that there will always be those who are marginalized, but by listening to him speak, I realized that it really doesn’t have to be that way, that there is hope for a world without poverty.
On a more personal level, Melody Murray, the founder of JOYN India, is a hero to me. I am so inspired by her business and personal life, and especially her theory of “purposeful inefficiency” in which the most lives are changed by having many people participate in the fabrication of a product.
What is Redemption Market?
Redemption Market is a curated boutique where every purchase supports a cause. We are currently in partnership with over a dozen organizations, both locally and internationally. Some of our items are fair trade, while others are “products with a purpose.”
What inspired the title of the organization?
I love the idea of a marketplace of all good things, like a general store of giving back. Redemption is a heavy and beautiful word. It is the idea of taking those dark issues like trafficking, slave labor, and poverty and redeeming them or bringing them into the light.
What are some of its feature products?
There are two major factors for us when we consider a new partnership for our store. The first of these is the mission behind the organization. Is it something we believe in and want to support? Our second consideration is the quality and beauty of the products. We want to sell the best of the best. Our best selling lines are JOYN (India), Pebble Toys (Bangladesh) and The Tote Project (California).
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
Our focus is always on sustainability so we carry items with handwoven fabric, organic cotton, and sustainable wood.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Although we carry products for men and children, we are truly a boutique catering primarily to women. Our customer is educated, interested in craftsmanship and owning something unique and of high quality.
What topics most interest you?
I’m passionate about serving the people on the earth who have been the most neglected and marginalized, who are simply in need of a voice to represent them.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
Yes, I have the benefit of working with some amazing women in downtown Phoenix at the Arizona Women’s Entrepreneur Center. It has been so encouraging to have these remarkable mentors give feedback, encouragement and insight.
Have you mentored others?
I think in life one should always be helping others along on the journey. As a mom and teacher, my life has always been about sharing my little bit of wisdom with those younger than me.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
The beautiful thing about being a social enterprise is that those companies who would traditionally be seen as “competition” instead are your brothers and sisters in the fight for sustainable fashion. We can inspire one another and keep each other on track.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
Because of the great amount of publicity that this event garnered, especially through the documentary The True Cost, many eyes were opened to the realities of workers’ lives in the third world. However, it is unfortunate that events like this are quite common, to the point that the media doesn’t spend much time covering them. It needs to be a record-breaking crisis for the tv channels to take notice. It surprises me that many of our customers are quite unaware that tragedies like this happen.
Who is a women’s rights and children’s rights activist or campaigner hero for you?
I love the work that artists like Bono are engaged in- how it is possible to be a musician or actor and still spend time working for organizations like Red to end AIDS.
Two factors seem to matter in the discussion of gender equality in societies: economies and rights. Many girls and women, especially in developing nations, face disadvantages unknown, or less well-known, to boys and men. Women face discrimination in education, health, the labor market, legal status, political representation, and reproductive rights. When women lose, everyone – boys, girls, men, and women – loses. What might bring this basic fact, with ubiquitous positive consequences, into the public discourse in ‘developed’ and ‘developing’ nations?
I truly believe that awareness is growing among developed nations, perhaps not at the rate we would like, but certainly more than say, ten years ago. A large component of what we do at Redemption Market is educating the public on some of these issues, to get the conversation going and to offer some tangible steps we can take to help.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
I think it would be amazing if everyone’s passion and career were one and the same. Currently, I’m really loving what I do, because it’s hard to tell where my “work” ends and my regular daily living life begin. I love what I do!
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
My family and I are actively involved in the localist movement, social enterprise movement, as well as adoption support and awareness.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Overdressed by Elizabeth Cline was quite inspirational to me. In terms of business, I was also impacted by Let My People Go Surfing by Yvon Chouinard, founder of Patagonia.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, Redemption Market?
We are easy to find using the search terms “Redemption Market” across any platform. Feel free to drop us a line any time through our website redemptionmarket.com.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
For me the biggest challenge has been to have patience with my growing business. It’s so easy to compare oneself to long established organizations and expect to have the same volume of sales or same amount of followers. Deep down, I understand that slow growth builds a healthy foundation, and so I continually have to remind myself of that truth.
The biggest challenge that I still currently face is to educate the average consumer that the cheap fashion we are accustomed to buying actually comes at a very heavy price in terms of slave labor and the environment. It’s challenging to present ethical choices as both fashionable and affordable.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
Living a life of purpose is crucial to fulfillment during our short time on this planet. For me that is a life filled with nature, music, stillness, serving others, and loving God.
Thank you so much for taking the time to interview me and to support Redemption Market!
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Alyssa Couture is designer /owner of Eco fashion brand Alternative Fashion. Read more about Alyssa Couture and her sustainable journey.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I care about the fashion industry as a whole, and all things fashion in general. It is the the non-ethical and unsustainable part of the fashion industry like the trafficking, slave labor, and unfair trade, among other things that are a cause for concern. It is clearly an epidemic that on a collective stance, needs to be balanced out. My interest of healthy fashion has evolved and progressed over time, quite naturally.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
There are different ways of valuing clothing, and there are an array of interpretations of what slow fashion vs. fast fashion is about. To some, ready-to-wear designers like Karl Lagerfeld for Chanel would be considered fast fashion. However, Chanel ready-to-wear is clothing made of quality, and therefore can be considered as investment pieces. The lifecycle of that piece of clothing will outlast cheaper products. Most fast fashion is to the commercial chain stores like H&M, Zara, Forever 21, Target, Etc. Most of us can agree, that the value of these products are much less, yet due to many financials budgets, this product is much easier on the wallet, and has more affordability when it comes to a person’s monthly income. The fast fashion trend is most popular, because it hits the poor and middle classes. So, it’s not a matter of convenience, it’s more of a necessity in many cases. Contemporary brands play an important role and become a middleman in terms of creating an important niche for the budget-conscious and will also balance out some of this slow fashion vs. fast fashion extreme. Slow fashion is more expensive, and investment pieces. Fast fashion throw-away clothing does not live more than half a year to a year without becoming damaged and unwearable.
Slow fashion additionally pertains to having a more minimal wardrobe and taking better care of our clothes through mending, and laundering with care. Fast fashion in terms of the relation with the seasonal trend are giving trends a poor reputation. We are now determining trends as part of a fast-paced culture that constantly creates trends to instill more buying power. What is happening is that our world is evolving at a more heightened speed, and our fashion industry is attempting to keep up to speed with the pace of our cultures and lifestyles, and the planet’s own maturity. Trends are valuable in the way they can be holistic cycles that represent the times. When we change our clothing, or evolve our style, we are moving and growing along with the trends.
The Pythagoreans, the Neoplatonists, Aristotle, and the Stoics, William Wilberforce, Baron Erskinecreated the ancient thought about animal rights. Jeremy Bentham, the founder of utilitarianism, discussed the suffering of non-human animals. Peter Singer argues for non-human animal rights too. The Nonhuman Rights Project (NhRP) People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), and others work to support animals and work to enforce their rights. Some fashion manufacture processes violate animals’ rights. What is the importance of animal rights, especially in an ethical and sustainable fashion context?
It is entirely important to keep animal products at a minimum, and focus on plant-based fibers. Not only is animal-based products predominantly inhumane, it’s sincerely a health hazard with allergies that form from them. Many slow fashion, investment pieces are luxury goods made of furs, skins, and leathers. They require much less maintenance, and overall can outlast many substitutes made of these non-vegan materials. This is where our ‘plant-tech’ fashion needs to become more pronounced. ‘Plant-tech’ is a term that I say to illustrate new and advanced materials made from plants, that can perform equivalently or are substantially more advanced to animal products. There are several new materials that are being slowly introduced, yet we still need to provide and produce more options, and most importantly in the luxury good market. Much high-fashion is the most influential fashion of our life, and all other sectors of fashion are below Haute Couture, and Ready-to-Wear.
Climate change represents one of the biggest medium- to long-term threats to human survival in reasonable forms. The Government of Canada, NASA, the David Suzuki Foundation, The Royal Society,The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and numerous others discuss this. Ethical and sustainable fashion relates to it. The reductions in hydrocarbon production from sustainable materials seem imperative sustain the further deterioration of the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment. What seems like the responsibilities of ethical and sustainable fashion companies in the prevention of climate catastrophe?
It is very common to hear that the Fashion Industry is the 2nd most polluting industry in the world. What people do not hear is that the 1st most polluting industry is the oil industry. The fashion industry is the second most polluting industry because we are using oil to produce and generate the most popular petroleum oil-based, synthetic fibers that dominate. Fast fashion is synthetic fashion. We cannot slow down, our cheap, synthetic fashion production until we discontinue the production, of disease-forming, polluting, and traffick-producing fiber. Petroleum fibers are not only destructive to the earth, they are unhealthy to wear on the body. Synthetic fibers are made from oil. Fossil fuel is an oil derivative from underneath the earth, formed over time that is highly condensed and acidic in nature. Plants are breathable which is another way to create more oxygen and is a way to protect our earth, animal, and human life.
How can ethical and sustainable fashion contribute to the long-term sustainable future for the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment?
Ethical and sustainable fashion can help correct the issue of pollution, disease, and create healthier, more life-giving properties. With an eradication of plastic fashion, we can eliminate the vicious cycle of producing a material that is not biodegradable. Plant-based fibers are much more healthier for our earth and our bodies. If we discontinue the mistreatment of animals, and guide our industry into supporting and promoting more advanced ‘plant-tech’ fibers and materials, we build and do not destroy.
The Sustainable Apparel Coalition invented The Higg Index. It assesses some products’ sustainability throughout the products’ lifecycle. The European Outdoor Group and the Outdoor Industry Association developed an index of products’ impacts on the environment throughout their lifecycle, the Eco Index. Large regions with serious attempts to implement standards and quantitative analysis of sustainability of products throughout their lifecycle. What seem like the importance of quality tests, or metrics, such as these and others?
Theses tests, metrics are very much important to keep people aware, and give more statistical data, for those whom need proof, over opinion. My work with Healthy Fashion Campaign, www.healthyfashioncampaign.comis an environmental action, public awareness campaign that is in its very new beginning. It yields its own guidelines, network, community, and database that will support both the conscious consumer, and the fashion industry professional. What matters most to me, is that we learn to share our vision of eco fashion, and not build traps that would keep the fashion industry as a whole at bay. Much of the “tragedy” sectors of the industry is simply playing a role in the collective consciousness, and it is what was passed down to us from generations. It started very rapidly in the 1930s with the invention of synthetic fibers, and it has only made more of a mess than what can actually take in presently. It’s a very heavy issue that has taken its toll with everyone involved. Healthy Fashion Campaign has plans and arrangements, to ensure ‘plant-tech’ becomes much more common, and to support the awareness of plant fibers as a therapeutic, healing modality that will liberate humanity, and the planet earth included.
What is Alternative Fashion?
Alternative Fashion is an eco chic womenswear brand founded, owned, and designed by me. We are stylish, ‘holistic-cycle’ trend driven. We cater to those who are both health-conscious, environmental activists, and up-to-date with current fashion and style.
What inspired the title of the organization?
Alternative Fashion is a company formed by my love for fashion. I have a serious passion for fashion, as cliche as it sounds. It’s my ultimate form of communication, and it speaks to me. Alternative Fashion is based from the word, Alternative, as “different’. We care about trends, yet we evoke the personal style of a person. It is also rooted from the concept of ‘Alternative Health’. Many of the alternative, natural food and herb remedies are relevant to the times, and bringing that holistic and, medicinal perspective of both food and fashion is important.
What are some of its feature products?
We feature women’s clothing, that range, from loungewear, athleisure, to dresses and formal wear. Most of our fabrics are made with organic fiber, if not organic it is a plant-based natural fiber.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
Our fabrics mostly consist of cotton, hemp, and flax. We’re always updating our fabric library, and we have plans of introducing several more versatile, interesting, and therapeutic natural fibers, some of which will be nettle, pineapple leather, ramie, banana, coconut coir, and tree bark to mention a few.
Water use in production is an issue. What is the importance of reducing excess water use in the production of fashion?
There are water-less dye houses that are using DryDye which interests me. I think water is an important element, and creates part of the alchemy of creating a beautiful fiber. When we use vegetable and plant-based dyes, the use of water I feel may be less of an issue. Collecting rainwater, and having water recycling machinery can be a few ways to reduce water excess.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
We are using natural plant-based fibers, that are biodegradable. The dyestuffs that are used on the GOTs certified and non-certified plant-based fibers are not made with 100% vegetable or plant-based dyes. I have created small-batch production of plant-based dyed fabrics for my designs, and it is the goal to be 100% plant-based.
Thank you for your time, Alyssa.
Thank you!
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Threads of Peru is a nonprofit organization that connects the world to handmade treasures of Peru, helping to preserve ancient craft techniques and empower indigenous artisans.
What is Threads of Peru?
Threads of Peru is a not-for-profit social enterprise that connects the world to handmade treasures of the Andes, helping to strengthen ancient craft techniques and empower artisans. We work with Andean people, mostly women, to improve the quality and marketability of their weaving in an effort to strengthen cultural traditions, provide a supplementary income to artisans in rural communities, and offer a glimpse of this amazing culture to the rest of the world.
You can read more here.
What inspired the title of the organization?
We were working with textiles, which are made of many threads, therefore we felt that “Threads of Peru” was a catchy name that also alluded to the different aspects of Peruvian culture.
What are some of its feature products?
One of our favourite products is the poncho, and we offer a range of beautifully crafted ponchos to last a lifetime. The poncho has become such an object of pop-culture fascination — thanks in large part to a certain “man with no name” — that sometimes we forget that this garment traces its roots to the high mountains of the Andes. The Spanish word “poncho” likely came from the Quechua word “punchu” or similar words in other languages spoken nearby.
We also offer stunning ruana style wraps (or an open poncho). The CAROLINA ruana and ANGELINA wrapsare a type of alpaca poncho that is open in the front. More traditional in design, the CHASKA women’s alpaca poncho features a timeless, modern design, accented by the ch’aska – star – woven pattern at the edges.
In addition to ponchos, ruanas and wide alpaca scarves we also offer a carefully curated Home Décor line, a little bit hippy and with lots of bohemian flair, our home interior design items are super popular.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
High quality fibre is the foundation of Threads of Peru products, and is at the core of the traditional Quechua lifestyle. Most of our products are made with alpaca or baby alpaca fibre, but many of our small accessory items and bags are made with wool.
Alpaca is a soft, luxury fibre which is finer, softer and more “slippery” in texture than sheep wool or llama fibre. It is naturally hypoallergenic, water-resistant, non-flammable and highly breathable. Alpaca fibre occurs in over 20 natural, undyed shades, ranging from browns, to greys, cream and black, making the alpaca the most colour-diverse fibre-producing animal on earth.
Wool is easier to work with and takes dye much better than does alpaca fibre. Though not as soft as alpaca, wool is extremely durable and warm, and the resulting cloth tends to be heavier than alpaca fibre products.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Threads of Peru?
The production process is one of collaboration between the small Threads of Peru team and the artisans. Many of our products are designed in-house, but some are the pure creative inspiration of the weavers themselves. Threads of Peru is involved in the coordination and preparation of yarn, from spinning to dyeing to plying, right up until the warping process before an item is woven. The weavers then have at least one month to work their magic, weaving those yarns into beautiful, complex designs. Some of these products are finished in the communities themselves, while some are taken to a local tailor to be sewn up into bags or other accessories. The Threads of Peru team are very hands-on throughout the entire process, ensuring the highest quality output.
Some products use fibre that has been sourced from the weaver’s own animals, while others are made with yarn that is sourced from Michell, a responsible Peruvian alpaca yarn manufacturer which has been in operation for over a century, and which sources their raw fibre from small producers all over the country – including communities like those that Threads of Peru works with.
To know more about Threads of Peru or if you’re interested in visiting Peru on a textile tour, visit the Threads of Peru website here.
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Melanie is originally from Hamilton. She recently graduated from Carroll College in Montana where she advocated for Fair Trade and hosted many events regarding ethical jewelry, chocolate etc. Through her advocacy, her university became one of the first in the area to become a Fair Trade certified campus. She just got back from 3 months in Uganda where she interned for a fair trade organization called Generate for Generations.
You’ve taken a trip to Uganda. In fact, you interned there. What was the original purpose for going to Uganda?
I have travelled to many countries throughout my life but these trips were never longer than 3 weeks. After graduation, I wanted to know what it was like to live in a developing country for a longer period of time. Through my work with the fair trade campaign at my university, I met a woman named Linda who founded Circle of Hands Uganda, an organization which sells various products from Uganda. I told Linda about my desire to live abroad and she connected me with Lillian, the founder of the organization she bought products from. Through a few calls with Lillian, we both felt it was the perfect fit for my passions and skills to go to Uganda and help her organization on the ground.
What was the ethical organization’s name, purpose, and reach?
The organization I interned for in Uganda was called Generate for Generations. From their website, their purpose and reach are as follows: “A social organization in Uganda working to empower 200 single mothers, victims of HIV/AIDS, widows, sexually abused girls, victims of rape/domestic violence/forced marriage, and teen mothers in the community with skills of self-dependency, independence, entrepreneurial skills, and staying in school. We train our artisans in recycled paper-bead jewelry and sustainable handcrafts to provide for their families and generate income for generations to come.”
What were your activities there?
My activities there varied from week to week depending on what was going on with the organization at the time. My responsibilities included working on the blog/website/social media, sales/marketing, networking with similar organizations, daily operations, accounting, quality control, and overseeing production.
Any deep bonding moments while there too?
Definitely! One of my favourite parts of my work there was collecting stories of our producers. The women who make our products are so strong and have been through things I can’t even imagine. You can read their stories on our blog: generateforgeneration.wordpress.com. I’m so grateful I had the opportunity to meet and work with these amazing individuals!
Also, I lived with a Ugandan family during my time there. My favourite memories include learning how to cook traditional meals and sitting around the table at night playing cards. We had a few laughs discussing stereotypes we each had of the other’s culture. The community I lived in was so hospitable and welcomed me with open arms. I even had the chance to be in a traditional wedding.
How did your intern work tie into women’s empowerment and ethical fashion in particular?
My intern work directly tied into women’s empowerment because rural women in Uganda make our products. Most of them are widows, affected by HIV/AIDS, victims of abuse, or teenage mothers. Unemployment is so high in Uganda making it nearly impossible for these women to find a job. Our organization provides a way for them to work from home so they can earn an income while caring for their children. Additionally, in Uganda the stereotype of a male “breadwinner” still exists. These women are breaking stereotypes and empowering other women in their villages to do the same. Any excess profits from our organization fund classes for our women to learn about nutrition, health, alternative income etc.
My intern work tied into ethical fashion because we pay our women fair wages and they operate within safe working conditions. Our customers are ensured that the money paid for each product helps the women supports themselves and their families. This model is in opposition to traditional fashion where the majority of the money that consumers pay does not go to the producers.
What is the best way for people to find and become involved in ethical and sustainable fashion?
My favourite phrase in the ethical consumer movement is “Buy Local, Buy Fair.” The best way for someone to ensure that a product was produced ethically is to look for the Fair Trade logo. If you’re not sure, ask the store’s owner! Your curiosity will encourage them to look into buying more ethical products. A lot of ethical and sustainable fashions can also be found online or at local events so do some research during your spare time about fair trade outlets in your community! When you can’t buy fair, buy local instead. Shop at the farmer’s market, support a local artist, or attend a clothing swap!
If you would like to purchase products from the organization I work with, feel free to contact me at melanie.v@live.ca or go to circleofhandsuganda.com. We sell jewelry, bags, and baskets made from recycled and sustainable materials.
Also, what is a good way for people to empower women and girls as best they can with the resources and opportunities they have on hand?
Another great phrase I’ve learned in this movement is “Vote with your wallet.” Every time you make a purchase you are choosing what kind of world you want to live in: One with modern slavery or one where individuals are empowered. It is so easy to use the resources and opportunities you have on hand to empower women and girls. For example, when you are shopping for house décor or holiday gifts, look for ethical options. Often, fair trade organizations not only purchase products from women but also empower them through health classes, clean water programs, education for their children…the list goes on!
We also encourage the producers we work with to be resourceful and use the opportunities they have! They use recycled materials and are taught to harvest other necessary materials in a way that won’t harm the environment. The benefits to fair trade products are endless!
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Falcieri Designs is an independent UK handmade womenswear label created by Claudia Oliver. She specializes in day and evening wear using simple, flattering shapes for women who want the wow factor.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I was born in Kent in the UK and have lived and worked in London, Buckinghamshire and Lincoln. I’ve now been in Manchester for 2 years.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
I was a self-taught costume designer for 15 years whilst working in day jobs in London.
I never went to university to train for that but went late in life to make the transition from costume to fashion. I began setting up my business in my first summer break at University in 2010 and launched when I graduated in 2012.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I didn’t realise the impact of fast fashion really until I started my own business. Through my studies at university I began to realise that mass production was causing various problems for our environment and impacting business and people’s lives. It’s something you don’t really know about as a customer unless you are really looking for it. The high street is very good at shielding you from the effects of the industry. And if you don’t try looking for information it won’t find you.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
Ethical and sustainable designers are an important part of any country’s culture. Small businesses can’t be competitive against the fashion giants anyway and so it make sense for them to focus on local production and ethical and sustainable practices to give them their selling point and ensure their survival. Big industry will never have what we have.
What seems like the importance of fair trade?
Fairtrade isn’t something I know very much about but exploiting workers and their welfare for profit is just wrong in any industry.
What seems like the importance of a (relative to the country) living wage?
We all have a minimum living standard. Even inter-country it’s an issue. A living wage is different in London than it is in Manchester. Whether it’s in the UK where things are expensive or Bangladesh where by comparison everything is simpler and cheaper. Wages should be relative to a country’s economy but that doesn’t mean taking advantage of the differences by cutting things even lower.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
From a business point of view slow fashion is what sets us apart from the rest of the high street. But not everyone appreciates this and it’s important to educate people as to why slow fashion is better and less damaging to the world and why a customers choices are important.
What is Falcieri Designs?
Falcieri Designs is a slow fashion womenswear label.
What inspired the title of the organization?
My ancestry is Italian. ‘Falcieri’ is a surname from Venice which is where my family originally comes from, although we are 5th generation British now. I chose it because it’s a rare name and there are none in the UK and I knew I wouldn’t be confused with any other company and would stand out.
What are some of its feature products?
I specialise in drape evening and day wear. My one piece dresses are probably my feature product.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
I prefer sheer knit, jersey and lycra blends because they hang perfectly on the body and work well with my design practices.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Falcieri Designs?
Everything is conceived, pattern drafted, cut, machined and finished by me in my studio in Ardwick in Manchester. My supply chain once I have purchased the fabric is entirely Manchester based right through to sale.
I source all my fabrics from end of roll and dead stock from 3 outlets in Manchester and Leicester. I do not buy wholesale or import. I know that a number of fabrics I buy are manufactured in Leicester and Manchester but I don’t know the origin of all the fabrics because many of them do not come with any labels or source coding. I do not manufacture on a large scale – each dress I make is a unique one off so I have no need for bulk purchase. I usually make large purchase runs of 80 yards of fabric once or twice a year for my own in house designs.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
I use whatever fabrics catch my eye and are available when I visit my suppliers. My contribution to ethical and sustainable fashion in terms of fabric is to recycle unwanted factory stock. In the same way as I make and sell my dresses as a buy it once and wear it forever ethos, I buy and use my fabrics in the same way with minimal waste. I never intend for anything to be thrown away.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
I sell via my Etsy store and from my website. I have a mixed demographic between the UK and the USA. I sell worldwide so my designs aren’t restricted to any one place.
What topics most interest you?
Made in Britain, UK grown industry, British based fashion. I am a champion of UK industry.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
I am at my heart creative. I am not in this industry for the money. I am in it to have a quality of life that means I can enjoy my work. I want to remain small so I can stay in touch with what is at the heart of what I do and work with a clear conscience.
Any other work at this time?
I am also a writer and published author.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
I recommend Fashion Revolution. Lucy Siegle is my inspiration of hope for the future of fashion.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
I am on Twitter and Instagram as @falcieridesigns My website is www.falcieridesigns.co.uk and my email is falcieridesigns.co.uk
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Launched in 2013, Ramnation knitwear focuses on ethical production and provenance. Read more about our interview with founder Talia Hussain.
How did you become involved in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Like many people, especially women, I have always been interested in clothes and fashion. I don’t think that’s unusual. Also, I have a background in art and design. So, there’s another interest there. I’ve taken some pattern constructing courses. I have a certification in that.
I had an interest in how those are made and constructed. Tying in with that, I grew up in the countryside with access to lakes, rivers, and holidays in the mountains. At some point, you realize that we can’t keep throwing things away.
You can’t keep using non-renewable resources. That applies to everything. If you read the paper and try to take an interest in the world, occasionally, these scandals pop up. For a lot of people, they register them, then they forget, but I didn’t forget them.
I would learn about children working in factories in Bangladesh. I didn’t forget. It made me think when I was shopping. I would remember those things I read in the paper. I remembered the companies.
People were shopping in the stores. I realized people didn’t know where those clothes came from, those products. As I became more knowledgeable about making clothes for myself. I became more aware about different fabrics, different properties they have, and also where they come from – whether they are animal protein fibres, botanical plant fibres, or synthetic fibres.
Then thinking about the supply chain for them, and thinking about the stories and what I was learning about the source of the materials, it kept adding up to, for me, a picture of an industry that was deeply in need of change and inflicting a lot of incredible damage to the environment, but out of view to most people.
Most people can’t see it. They don’t think about it. The story, the true story behind how those clothes end up in the mall or the high street is hidden behind glossy advertising, models, and beautiful photography and branding.
I became aware of the truth behind how these things got made was quite ugly. Eventually, I felt compelled to try and act on that knowledge.
In conversation with others, does this reflect their awakening to the reality of certain aspects of the fashion and garment industries?
Different people come to it in different ways. When I am speaking to other people with similar ideas, they come to it in different ways. Some are interested in the labor issues. They want to resolve some of the labor issues that they see in different parts of the word.
Other people see it as a way to empower women in poor countries through cooperatives for them to make a living. Other people get interested in the environmental aspects of the dyeing or the tanning of leather, and the chemical usage.
Other people get interested in recycling and how to reuse fibres. For some reason, at the moment, there seems to be a big boost in people who are starting brands that make swimwear out of recycled ocean waste. There’s a big trend for that at the moment. For them, it is a love of being in the water and so on.
Different people come to it from different ways. I think still other people come to it from veganism and vegetarianism. They start there. They realize that those same issues affect their clothes as well as their food.
I think there’s different routes into it. For me, it was a route of reading, seeing, and tying the two things together by thinking about the loss of and devastation of the natural environment.
Much of the damage to the environment – if you take the trillions of bits of microplastics in the oceans alone, it is devastating. At the same time, it seems institutional to me. In the sense that, people are looking for the profit on the managerial and business side and customers/consumers are looking for cheap products.
As you have noted on the website about externalities, which implies a lot of things, some of those would include the reduction in a living wage or the violation of rights – no oversight in terms of working conditions, and the fact that mostly women and children are involved in that. So, their rights are mostly being violated.
These sorts of things are more implied because of the institution of looking for profit on the business side – make money – and the consumer side – find cheap products – rather than something conscious.
I totally agree. I would consider it something inherent in capitalism. The way neo-classical capitalist economists think about these things is that you’ve got supply and demand. As long as people are demanding, suppliers will come into the market to meet that demand. Then you would further say that sometimes the market fails, like with climate change because it is a massive externality with carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
So, you can correct for that by imposing a tax and artificially correcting the price, so supposedly that’s all you need to do to fix the externalities, but the underlying idea is that supply should be maximized to meet demand as much as possible through the market. However, it totally ignores that you’ve got all of these problems, which snowball onto each other.
If you look at an example in Bangladesh, where there’s a lot of poverty and low-wage workers vying for work in factories, it becomes a systemic and circular thing because those clothing factories are polluting the natural environment. The leather factories are dumping chrome and effluents into rivers and destroying the fisheries and the subsistence livelihoods of the people living there. So, they have to work in the factories.
You have this downward spiral of destroying the natural world and forcing people into seeking new kinds of livelihoods. To me, it seems a structural problem that capitalism isn’t able to address in the way it is conceived right now. Obviously, it is an environmental and human rights problem for those people as well. You’ve got the two sides to it.
Ramnation itself, for those that don’t know, what is it? What is its feature product?
Ramnation is a concept label. I conceived and created it as an experiment as what happens when you try to make a fashion product that doesn’t have or tries to reduce at every opportunity the harmful impacts of your consumption, which you see all the way up and down the supply chain.
I started by thinking what material would you use if you wanted to create something that was going to be fashionable, long-lasting, and biodegradable. Wool is a fantastic answer to the question. It’s a great fibre. It’s warm. Living in the UK, it’s a local product and traditional industry. Wool was a good choice for using as a base material.
When I started using wool, it is subject a lot of the problems seen in other agricultural fields such as monoculture, factory farming, and so on, are present in the wool industry as well. I thought, “How do you find wool that isn’t subject to those kinds of problems?” I was able to find a mill in the UK that sources fleeces from local flock owners, who specialize in the rare and traditional breeds of sheep.
Many of them are organic producers as well. That was a first step in finding a good material, then it was moving onto what type of garment can be made with this material. Then it was finding a factory in the UK that would help me find some samples and garments to produce.
Also, how do you get buttons, labels, and packaging to finish out this product, and try to pay attention to not using materials that either are going to be long-term persistent waste in the environment. Apparently, you can’t get zippers that aren’t polyester.
(Laugh)
I don’t have zippers on my garments. I might have to change that. It’s interesting. There’s a huge demand for non-polyester zippers, but they won’t lie flat without the polyester in them. So, you won’t get jeans without polyester zippers. That’s one of the many, many things I learned when learning how to make a product. That’s what I’ve been doing – researching and trying to follow through the concept as much as I could.
Obviously, the mill that I’ve been working with has been organically dyeing everything. They aren’t dumping effluents. Everything is treated to the best standards that they can get. I found a button manufacturer that developed a collection of buttons that were developing a collection of physical techniques without chemical finishes, it’s sanding finishes without chemicals.
I couldn’t find labels without polyester in them. Many organic cotton labels are organic cotton thread woven onto a polyester base. So, I ended up finding organic ink and having labels silk-screened onto organic silk. I didn’t want to let myself down at that last step. It has been interesting to follow the whole concept through to the final details.
In the end, the result is a small collection of jackets and accessories that use all organic fibres. I do use organic pocketing and linings in some of the garments. Most of the main material comes from main breed sheep, which are local in the UK. Everything else is done locally in the UK. The mill is here. The factory for the garments is here. It is a lovely factory run by a father and daughter. They have mandatory factory holiday 3 times per year when school comes out for when families can be with children – at the obvious times of the year, e.g. summer holidays and Christmas. It has been an interesting process of learning.
Concept labels, by their nature, are experimental. Experiments come with trial and error. It can come with great successes and great failures at the same time. In the midst of developing Ramnation, what have been obvious mistakes and great successes in the development of the business?
Something, less of a mistake and more of a misjudgment, if you get caught up in your own head, if you’re interested in something, I thought that the market was further ahead than it was and that there would be more demand for this kind of organic product with story. I think with food and drink, there is that demand. If you look at what’s happened in organic food and whole foods, that’s taken off.
It’s been a long time coming, but it’s just massive. Then if you look at the rise in the past 10 years of craft beers, that’s exploded. People are interested in those products. Here in the UK, the big thing is artisan gin and distilling. It has become absolutely massive. It seems like every time you go somewhere, then you meet some guy doing an artisan gin distillery.
(Laugh)
Seriously! I have met so many people. Some guys did vodka. There’s tons of these things happening and they’re taking off. People are interested in these little quirky labels and little quirky distilleries doing these small batches of experimental things in food and drink. The market has been developing for longer.
I misjudged the appetite for the similar thing in the garment industry. As I’ve talked around to other people who are doing similar types of things, they have the same sorts of problems. That concept of ingredients and sourcing – people haven’t quite made the connection to clothes and other consumer goods.
I would say that was my biggest mistake or misjudgment. I am aware that awareness is growing. I guess that’s where, maybe, some of my successes have been – by being able to be on the ground floor of this thing. I have met interesting people – not simply similar things, but working in related areas such as accessories, retail, etc. I even met the Prince of Wales (Prince Charles) who has been promoting the use of wool. That was a high point.
It has been a mix of success and learning. One of the things that I am definitely working on now is some project on “how do you start getting people to start thinking about these issues and other kinds of home wear type goods?” Because they come from the same place, the natural world. That’s something that I am working on with other people now.
We have all of these products. They are amazing, interesting, beautiful, and have great stories. But how do we come together and take this idea into mainstream consumer culture and get them to think about it the way they’ve been thinking about food and drink?
If you take those, and reflect on newer businesses, one just starting. Any recommendations for them?
I think the biggest thing that I would say is to know what your story is, what your product is about and its story, and be prepared to be telling that story at every conceivable opportunity. Every channel that you possibly can because that’s ultimately what people connect with, especially in fashion. There’s so much product out there. Do they want this t-shirt or that t-shirt? There’s so much out there.
If you want to stand out, you want to have something that people can really connect to in a meaningful way. You need to be able to express that over and over, and over, again through as many channels as you possibly can. You need to keep telling the story of what your product is and how it came to me, and make sure that you’re clear on that story.
Any recommended ways for people to become involved with Ramnation?
I must confess. I am not as wonderful as I would like to be about my story. I am on Twitter. I tweet from time-to-time. We have the website, where the products are available. We do some shows such as New York Fashion Show. We have been to Germany as well. I look forward to doing in the future, but no plans at the moment.
My big plan is hopefully to be working with other brands on a retail project, so we can be taking this idea of clothing and furnishing being part of an open conversation with consumers – about how they come from the same places as food and drink, and are part of the same ethical and environmental concerns.
Hopefully, I will have some exciting news in the next year or so
Any thoughts or feelings in conclusion about what we’ve discussed today?
I am always excited to talk to people about what I’ve been doing. I am excited that there’s more and more people realizing that there’s a problem. People have been making films about it. We have True Cost a couple of years ago. Recently, Alex James made a film as well. So, I am encouraged more and more people are beginning to take notice and understand what the issues are and to begin pushing for change.
Thank you for your time, Talia.
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Lupe is a company founded by ethical entrepreneurs Tansy Baigent & Dolly James. They personally source each unique, pre-loved diamond and precious gemstone piece. This is an innovative, forward-thinking business that is driven by a passion to reduce the environmental and humanitarian impact of buying luxury.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
My father was from New Zealand, my mother from England, and it was in the latter that I grew up. I spent my early years between West Sussex and Hampshire before moving to Bath. My father was an author specializing in ancient mysteries and mysticism, and filled his time (and our minds) with intrigue and exploration. He encouraged us to follow our own spiritual paths, to question everything, to truly experience life, and to believe we could make a difference.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
I had a rather unconventional childhood; attending many different schools including public, state and alternative (founded by philosopher Krishnamurti). After multiple school changes as a child, I attending an alternative school founded by philosopher Krishnamurti. I boarded here for three years between the ages of 13 and 16, and it was here that I learnt the value of cooperation, consideration and community. I learnt the value of mindfulness, of stillness and of alternative perspectives to the established view of the World. It was a greatly intuitive and informative part of my life.
As a young girl I had always wanted to ‘save’ the World (one of those!), and would write letters every year to Greenpeace asking how I could help. As I grew my motivations never changed despite often being told that I was an idealist, and that if I truly wanted to make a difference I must follow a long course of education. So I did.
I returned to state education at 16, attending a college in Bath before travelling for a year around the World to see new place and culture, after which I moved to Oxford to study Law with International Relations for my Undergraduate study. After these studies I volunteered for five months with a community and environmental charity before travelling once again to Africa and Eastern Europe. Upon my return I went back to University, in Canterbury, to study a Masters; gaining Distinction in International Environmental Law.
With my education complete I took a job selling jewellery, alongside volunteering as a content writer for a website, while I searched for an environmental job. The latter I eventually found, becoming Manager for an environmental charity. After a period I moved on to work as a Regulatory Analyst for a sustainability consultancy and began a business in my free time selling antique jewellery due to my enduring interest and the sustainable aspect of second hand pieces.
However, after a move to London and a thorough insight into the public, private and not-for-profit sectors, my resolute belief that I could ‘save’ the World weakened. I used to say that I had been educated out of a belief in change. Unable to see a path for myself I decided to take a break from my environmental pursuits until I could develop a plan that I believed could work. Five years later I am writing a book on the environmental issues we face, have become a holistic healer, and have established a growing business selling sustainable luxury jewellery.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Fashion has always surrounded me. My mother and both my sisters have all been involved in this trade. My mother designs and makes beautiful watches and bracelets from old pieces of jewellery and material, and was an interior-design consultant. My eldest sister worked as a Fashion Stylist and featured in Vogue, Condé Naste Traveller and Sky Magazine. My elder sister is a seamstress; designing gorgeous waistcoats, coats and gypsy skirts. For me, my fashion streak came out in jewellery.
I had always loved the glamour and sparkle of diamonds and fine jewellery pieces, but my heart has always been focused on sustainability and being ethical. So when it was my chance to step in to the world of fashion I knew that it would have to be with a sustainable and ethical business. For many companies it is a hard compromise, how can you produce and encourage consumption whilst still being sustainable? In my mind the only way was to focus on re-use and recycling and thus I found myself drawn to the beauty and glamour of antique and preloved fine jewellery.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
Fashion designers and companies create the image and establish the precedent; if they are not ethical or showing the value of sustainability than buyers have no impetus to be so either. Thus ethical and sustainable fashion designers have an important role in encouraging a changing perception of fashion through ethical storytelling, and by offering a suitable and beautiful choice that is both fashionable and stylish, and ideally where the products actively contribute to a better World.
How can ethical and sustainable fashion contribute to the long-term sustainable future for the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment?
The fashion industry is one of the most polluting and unethical industries on Earth and continues to be heralded as one of the most unsustainable due to its’ heavy reliance on new & fast production, long distance transportation and excessive waste. Thus, fashionable products that are sustainable (especially those which are renewable, recycled or second hand), and ethical, can contribute to the long-term sustainable future of the environment and atmosphere by offering consumers a choice away from harmful and carbon emitting production.
What is Lupe?
Lupe (pronounced ‘loop’) is a sustainable jewellery brand founded by Tansy Baigent and Dolly James, sourcing preloved and antique diamond and precious gemstone pieces. This is an innovative, forward-thinking business with a truly ethical ethos. From donating a percentage of all profits to charity, incorporating recycled materials into our packaging, limiting all our waste, and ultimately ensuring long-term environmental sustainability through the responsible resale of beautiful luxury jewellery.
What inspired the title of the organization?
The name LUPE was inspired by many aspects of our business. Foremost was the play on the word ‘loop’, as this relates to the circular nature of the business – the loop of reuse/recycling. We also have rotating stock, which further entrenches the meaning of loop to our business. A secondary aspect is the connection to the attributes of many of our products i.e. a ring. And finally our name was inspired by a jewelers small magnifying glass called a loupe (pronounced ‘loop’), to help one see things clearly.
What are some of its feature products?
We have a beautiful collection of antique and vintage gemstone engagement rings, earrings and brooches, as well as beautiful gold and gemstone set pendants. Our products are all antique, vintage and pre-loved which gives us a constantly changing selection of pieces. However we are especially known for our collection of glass lockets and gypsy rings.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
Our customer base are predominantly men in their early to mid-thirties seeking sustainable jewellery gifts or affordable antique engagement rings. Our secondary demographic is women between the ages of 26 and 60 who are seeking gifts or rings for themselves. Clients are a mix of sustainable and non-sustainable shoppers who appreciate a company where you can speak directly with the owners.
Any means of contacting and getting becoming involved with Lupe?
Absolutely, personally I welcome anyone interested in collaborating; and commercially through Lupe we are always looking to extend our connections, to develop and collaborate. So please always feel free to contact me/us through: tansy@lupeanthology.com. We are also on facebook, instagram and twitter simply type in lupeanthology.
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Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I am from California, born and raised. I miss the constant source of reasonable weather all the time! I have two moms, two dads, a brother and a sister. My moms are sisters married to a pair of brothers. I was brought up in a very cultural and culturally sensitive environment. Being American was important, but we were constantly encouraged to recognize our histories and where we came from. It was a super nurturing upbringing with all the love that surrounded us.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on? How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Well, I went to UC Berkeley for undergrad where I studied political economics and minored in global poverty, which led me to wanting to explore social entrepreneurship and global health. So, I matriculated at Duke to get my masters in global health. While I was doing my thesis research in India on women’s health, I came across textile weavers. I started to learn about their lives, their families, and the beautiful fabrics they were weaving. I noticed a discrepancy between what they were earning and the craft, but didn’t think much of at the time.
Once I was back and writing my thesis, the Rana Plaza in Bangladesh collapsed, where 1100 garment workers died, and it hit a nerve for me. How was this possible?! I started talking to my family about it profusely and my fathers told me: stop whining, either you jump in and do something about it or make peace with it. You’ll be miserable otherwise. So, we jumped in and partnered with a large nonprofit and an industry veteran to build MSA Ethos, our version of a holistic garment factory that implements “The Behno Standard” to look after garment workers more intimately.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
Well, you know how it is; it’s impossible to always attribute specific experiences to a skill, but I think the aggregate of my marketing experiences, global health knowledge, and liking for fashion generally definitely aided in crafting what I imagined Behno to be. I think there must be thousands of inspiration points that I cannot even put a finger on that must have impacted me tremendously. Life is fluid!
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
The fact that ethics are often an afterthought has always been bothersome for me; it should be the way business is conducted and done. But in an industry like fashion, where there are literally so many human touchpoints that are neglected makes ethics even more important. We have to start eyeing the backend and looking at our contribution – if it’s positive and great, keep it up and share best practices. If it’s suboptimal, no worries; let’s figure out how we can change our practices. But we have to acknowledge, accept, and act.
What is the importance of fair trade?
I think fair trade is so far removed for so many people because it seems distanced…Almost like a notion of a developing space. But if we look at our lives here – for example, in NYC, we want to ensure we’re being paid well, responsibly, and logically. Fair trade isn’t a concept that should be integrated in certain spaces.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Julie Gilhart. She’s such a powerful yet approachable force of knowledge and inspiration. She speaks on issues as they are, but always in the most encouraging tone. So, I am grateful to have had so many meaningful conversations with her.
What is Behno?
Behno is a womenswear label designed in NYC, but ethically manufactured in Asia, predominantly India.
What inspired the title of the organization?
Behno means ‘sisters’ in Hindi. In our partner garment factory, MSA Ethos, all the garment workers call female garment workers by their first names followed by the suffix of “behn”, which means sister. The plural form of ‘behn’, or sister, is ‘behno’, or sisters. Garment factories are collectives of people sharing varied experiences in the most singular way; it’s hard to describe.
What are some of its feature products?
We do RTW but are focusing heavily now on our handbags, which are sold exclusively online. Our goal is to make luxurious products attainable, so we don’t have a middleman for our bags.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
My learning curve was super steep, and there were volatile times when I was on the brink of questioning everything. Why did I jump into an industry that I have absolutely no idea about?! But then there those individuals you’ve met provide that source of encouragement that you need and it keeps you going. The volatility of the industry and the fact that every day is a mystery is sometimes challenging. But the impact the industry could have is monumental, so that’s a driving force.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
The people I’ve had the privilege of meeting and befriending. Seeing the most creative, wonderful, intelligent people interacting and finding massive common ground with the most business savvy, clever individuals is such a beautiful thing to witness unfold.
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‘Simple Animal’ is a young fashion label that specialises in trendy, organic and fair, vegan fashion for animal lovers. Created by Miriam Agat, Simple Animal loves otherness and embraces all things different. They love vegans, the LGBT scene and everyone who’s a little quirky and open-minded.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I was born in a small town in Germany, Bad Nauheim, near Frankfurt and lived in Friedberg for six years until my family decided to re-locate to Israel. My father is Israeli and his dad lived there, but when the first Gulf War broke out and my mum lost her best friend in a lorry crash, we all went back to Germany. Another picturesque, but very dull area in the Rheinland Palatinate. There was not much space for creative minds. It was all very close-minded and depressing. I also had a hard time, because I was confronted with racism and had to learn to read and write German. At 17, I decided to move to the next bigger town (Mainz), where I took vocal lessons and did a gap year at the Nature and Biodiversity Conservation Union.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I then began to train as an admin, was kicked out after three months and started working in a call-centre for a mail ordering business, where I stayed for two and a half years, before they went bankrupt. I found a leaflet that advertised adult college and so decided to get my German baccalaureate and found myself studying full time for it for the next three years.
I was now qualified to study and so I applied for a union-funded scholarship, which amazingly fully paid for my degree of British studies and sent me to London to study abroad for a year. I never returned! I was immersed in the world of music in London and fell in love with the cultural melting pot that this city is. Six years later I am still in London. I am not sure how Brexit will affect things, but I can’t be certain that I will spend the next six years in London.
I graduated from uni in 2013 and since have been working in events as a freelancer, which I had already started during my uni time in Germany. After graduating, I decided it was time to create my own business.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I am vegan and wandered about at a vegan fair one day, when it struck me that most of the t-shirts that were sold had oil-based ink on them and were not fairly traded. I thought: this is not right. If we’re vegan, we must surely also think about the consequences for the environment and the people involved in the process of producing the clothing, too. This was the moment Simple Animal was born. On my way back home, I got all excited and drafted the idea of the brand in my head.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
I am not sure my education informed a lot of my fashion work. It was more helpful in terms of organising things and actually believing in what I do and executing it. Drafting an idea in my mind and pulling through with it.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
I believe ethical and sustainable fashion designers are part of the future. It is sad that capitalism rules the world and everything that seems to count is profit.
In times of Donald Trump, it is hard to believe that us sustainable designers will have much of a say, but I believe that we have to be a countermovement to all the horrible stuff that’s out there. If we don’t believe in it, who will? There needs to be an intelligence that stands up for the important things and keeps up hope in times where stupidity seems to rule.
What is the importance of fair trade?
Fair trade should really be the standard, but it is difficult to monitor. Everyone should be paid fairly for their work and it is sad that there are factories out there who have children slave away for the production of chip clothes and that people are slaving away under inhumane conditions for very little money.
Fair-trade is important and it should be advertised and communicated how important it is. People go and buy the cheapest coffee, clothes, etc. without thinking that step ahead. They need to be reminded of the process that stands behind producing their everyday goods. They don’t just appear on the shelves, someone puts a lot of labour in for those goods to be enjoyed/consumed
What is Simple Animal?
Simple Animal is an ethical fashion label that screen prints original designs of happy animals onto ethically sourced and fairly traded t-shirts and totes. The designs feature real life, happy animals from different parts of the world. Apart from the ant design I have personally met and photographed all of those animals and some of them were my much loved pets.
What inspired the title of the organization?
Now, the title Simple Animal was actually inspired by a Foo Fighters song. There’s a line in a song that goes: ‘Such a simple animal, sterilised with alcohol, I could hardly feel me anymore’ (Come Alive).
I don’t actually drink, but I liked the line and I think it boils down to the following: we are all simple animals in a way. We are all more or less the same and in extreme situations we will all just follow our instincts.
Non-human animals and human animals are not that different at all and I wish people would see that, when they tuck into their chicken, or their ham sandwiches. It pains me a lot that animals have to suffer for the pleasure of peoples’ taste buds or for stupid pom poms on hats that are made of real fur.
I get so upset in the winter, when I walk around and see how many people just don’t care at all. They don’t waste a single thought on what they’re wearing.
What are some of its feature products?
The most popular products at the moment are indeed the ants who come in a wraparound design and the cat frontin’ design. I transformed the image of one ant into a line of ants that crawls up the t-shirt and then walks down the back. People are either freaked out, or in love! It’s great to see their reactions. The cat frontin’ is a little feline I met in my granny’s village in Germany. She was super friendly and very cute. Most people are drawn to her and she reminds them of their own cat, so she’s definitely a best seller.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
I work with organic cotton, lyocell and bamboo.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Simple Animal?
I buy the t-shirts and totes from a supplier called Continental and Earth Positive. They are certified organic and fair trade.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Most of my customers are from the UK, but Simple Animal also has a large fan-base in Italy. But there are also people in Germany, Austria, France, Switzerland, the US, Canada and South Africa wearing Simple Animal.
What topics most interest you?
Veganism is a topic very close to my heart. I’ve been an ethical vegan for the last 6 years and that has also opened my eyes to other environmental issues and fair labour conditions for people.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
It is good to know that Simple Animal doesn’t contribute to mass production. We have a zero waste policy. No t-shirt goes to waste. The flawed ones get sold for less money in the ‘Imperfectionist’ section on the website or at vegan fairs. It also makes me happy to see that people like the designs and materials and that they get excited about the concept. Simple Animal is very inclusive. We invite all genders to pick whatever t-shirt style they want to pick. Whether you’re straight, gay, lesbian, a-sexual, gender-fluid, green, white, black, yellow, or rainbow coloured, thin, big, wobbly or lean, you are welcome to wear our t-shirts. I hope this comes across and just hope that people like it.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, Simple Animal?
By all means. We’re on social media (Twitter: SimpleAnimalTS, Insta: SimpleAnimal, and Facebook: SimpleAnimal) and you can reach us via email on info@simpleanimal.de. Simple Animal is a small business, so there are no funds to pay for a role within the company, hence: there are no roles. I wouldn’t feel comfortable not paying people for their work.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Thank you for the interview; it was good to reflect on the brand that Simple Animal has become and to remind myself and others that every contribution, no matter how small, can actually matter. Instead of shifting responsibility, each and every one of us should aim to improve a little something within their power. I think that if we aim to help each other and give a little of our time and thought to others and not just think about our own day-to-day struggles, we can make this world a nicer place to live in for humans and animals alike. I am a big fan of effective altruism, google it!
Thank you for your time, Miriam.
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Elisabeth was raised in New England to an Irish Catholic Family. She graduated from Dartmouth college in 1993 with a major in studio art. She had numerous costuming jobs before sge founded ELISABETHAN. Here is Elisabeth’s story.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I grew up in New England, in an Irish Catholic family.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
Graduated from Dartmouth College in 1993. Major in Studio Art. Took costuming classes in the Drama Dept. Had costuming jobs in college & after graduation that helped me get sewing & designing “chops”.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Little by little started with a love of fashion as a kid, an interest in sewing and making things. Started finding “raw” materials in thrift stores, either remaking existing garments, or buying garments for the fabric… the farther I got into to it, the more I realized how much waste there is in the fashion industry.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
If clothing manufacturing really is the 2nd biggest polluter it’s pretty obvious what the importance of ethical & sustainable designers & companies are— to save the world! i.e. we have to keep raising awareness fast fashion is helping to kill our planet.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
It’s a different approach to a timeless desire ever since the proverbial fig leaf, there has been a fashion industry. Humans care about how they look. Clothes and fashion are a way to communicate with the world something about ourselves…BUT AT WHAT PRICE. Is your self-expression worth people working in enslaved conditions? We need to take the long view invest in your self and your self-expression thru fashion & clothing, buy clothing for the long haul; buy pieces you know you will wear and love for a long time.
AND in doing so, honor the people who are making the products.
Climate change represents one of the biggest medium- to long-term threats to human survival in reasonable forms. The Government of Canada, NASA, the David Suzuki Foundation, The Royal Society, The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and numerous others discuss this. Ethical and sustainable fashion relates to it. The reductions in hydrocarbon production from sustainable materials seem imperative sustain the further deterioration of the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment. What seems like the responsibilities of ethical and sustainable fashion companies in the prevention of climate catastrophe?
It’s such a daunting topic climate change—some days I can’t get out of bed for thinking about it… the tricky part is to tell people to buy LESS but pay MORE for it… because otherwise all of the costs of manufacturing aren’t being factored in. We have to keep telling people the real story of fast fashion and hope they care enough to change their buying habits.
The Brundtland Commission Report described the need for sustainability. In that, we, the human species, need to meet the “needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs” for long-term sustainability. Does this seem correct to you?
What is Elisabethan?
Elisabethan is an eco-fashion house that encourages people to express themselves thru what they buy, wear, create & share.
What inspired the title of the organization?
Based on my name, Elisabeth Delehaunty, and a reference to the Elizabethan era in England when the arts flourished under a female monarch.
What are some of its feature products?
Women’s tunics & tops, skirts, girls dresses, fingerless gloves.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
All of our raw materials are reclaimed/upcycled. We use post-consumer reclaimed fabric, i.e. second hand clothing, entirely as our raw materials… t-shirts and cashmere sweaters mostly.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Elisabethan?
Our raw materials are upcycled/reclaimed. We cut and “combine” all of our pieces in house, then have or sewing done either by a woman-owned facility in Denver, CO, 250 miles from where we are located, or from a small crew of at home stitchers who live in our community.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
They should – we use cottons, wools, and cashmere; all naturally derived
What topics most interest you?
Less stuff. How much do we really need, and how to address that with the economy of growth that is the accepted approach to business for most of the world?
The Triple Bottom Line defines three performance dimensions: the social, environmental, and commercial/financial. In contradistinction to the standard commercial/financial analysis alone, the Triple Bottom Line incorporates environmental and social performance too. Why should ethical and sustainable (and other) fashion designers and companies include the Triple Bottom Line analysis in individual and business performance?
Because money alone is overrated. To be fully rewarded in what we do, we need to consider all the factors and impacts of our entrepreneurial efforts. Anything less and we are just fooling ourselves.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Stop buying cheap crap-it’s not worth it and it’s not really cheap—SOMEONE is paying the cost.
Any other work at this time?
We are working on an off shoot called “notion” —making kit versions of our designs and other items give people the opportunity to make it for themselves!
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
Email at duds@elisabethan.com, or FB is our most active social media outlet—we love to hear from other folks fighting the good fashion fight.
Thank you for your time, Elisabeth.
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Angelin Rennell is a mother of two that founded and runs Beklina. Beklina was founded in 2006 and sells ethical fashion with collections placees as diverse as Bolivia, Nepal, Peru, and USA.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I’m a mother with two daughters. I design as well as run my own shop online. I wear many hats!
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Women who are masters of vintage and thrift shopping.
What is Beklina?
For over 10 years Beklina has curated a tight edit of beautiful and thoughtful fashion and objects, with what we like to call a native-modern vibe. We hope to connect unique perspectives that attracts those of similar passions.
More than a shop, Beklina also produces an ongoing collection, from knits, swimsuits, pants, pillows, rugs, art, jewelry, housewares, textiles, to random objects and handmade clogs. The Beklina collection is produced ethically, mostly in the USA, Nepal, Peru and Bolivia.
What are some of its feature products?
Homeware items, rugs, and cashmere socks.
What topics most interest you?
Textiles and local co-ops that are able to grow the health of their communities/lifestyle through their work
How did you first become interested in ethical fashion and what made you decide to open your own store?
I’ve always eaten organically, shopped in health food stores and so on. But I didn’t really know about organic cotton and ethical fashion until I had my first daughter. I started reading and exploring about healthy, sustainable options for baby clothing, and eventually I came across some brands that made high-quality baby clothing from organic cotton. I wanted to find the same amazing quality of textiles in women’s wear but I quickly realised that there was very little out there. That’s how it always starts, isn’t it? You can’t find something and so you have to make it yourself.
In the very beginning, Beklina was just a hobby for me. I sold a small selection of women’s organic cotton and hemp clothing. Now it’s been 10 years, and we stock fashion from a wider range of brands that fit our philosophy, both smaller just-starting-out designers to established runway brands.
How do you select new brands? In other words, how do you decide whether a brand fits Beklina’s values and is “ethical”?
My motto for selecting lines is “Style first”. I don’t bother exploring designers if I don’t love what they’re doing visually. If I love something I then think about whether it is a good fit for our customer base: individual and artistic women who care about ethics and sustainability and enjoy a native-modern aesthetic.
When there is a fit aesthetically, I dig in and take a look at the types of textiles the brand uses, where they produce (local is best) and what the work environments are like. It’s amazing how many designers are paying attention to these things nowadays and participate in green and/or ethical wares and production.
What is the business of selling ethical fashion like? Are there any special challenges that come with the territory of selling ethical fashion?
When I first started Beklina, ten years ago, ethical fashion was considered unusual and standout, and some had a negative bias towards it. They would stay away from eco fashion because they thought it wasn’t “high-fashion” enough. I still come across people like this, but only very occasionally. Ethical fashion is mainstream, almost “normal” now, and the label “ethical” is considered a plus these days.
One tough part of selling ethical fashion is when you love something and then find out that it isn’t ethical, at least not from both an environmental and a social perspective.
“The bottom line is that people are drawn to eco fashion for a variety of reasons and at different levels.”Ideally, a garment would consist of organic materials AND have been produced ethically. But some people (both customers and brands) don’t see the full picture and only care about one or the other. For example, many customers support ethical brands because they are against unfair labour. But pieces made from non-organic materials aren’t technically fully “ethical”, even if they were ethically produced. On the other hand, there are also a lot of people who only care about the materials, because they are very sensitive to chemicals and need untreated fabrics for example.
I would say that our approach to buying is very all-encompassing. We know people are learning and growing, both the designers and the customers. That’s why we are comfortable picking up lines at different stages of their growth in eco fashion, in order to support the entire upward movement.
What does your own wardrobe look like? Do you exclusively wear ethical labels? What about beauty products?
I mainly wear my own line Lina Rennell and other pieces from our shop, mixed with a bit of vintage. I am a very basic simple dresser, rotating through a handful of outfits. I live in vintage Levis, and my knit sweater tops. I’m all over the place with beauty products. Mostly I’m trying out new lines that people send me. I don’t have a big beauty routine, other than I love a hot bath. I’ve always been minimal and “hippy” about beauty products. This is the deodorant I wear for example.
Ethical fashion labels can be expensive. What would you recommend to someone who is on a tight budget but wants to build a more ethical closet?
The first thing that comes to mind is that online the sale seasons are endless. If you like a shop’s curation, get on their mailing list! And don’t worry about building up an entire ethical wardrobe from scratch. Buy one or two pieces that you really love a season and mix in vintage. No matter the budget, vintage is warm, original and precious.
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Sarah earned a BFA in New media and Metalsmithing from Millersville University. She studied under Christina Miller, who is the co-founder of Ethical Metalsmiths. Sarah founded Sarah Zentz Jewelry. Here is her story.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
In 2008, I received a BFA in New Media and Metalsmithing from Millersville University in Pennsylvania. I studied Metalsmithing under Christina Miller, Co-Founder of Ethical Metalsmiths, a non profit organization leading jewelers and consumers in becoming informed activists for responsible mining, sustainable economic development and verified, ethical sources of materials used in making jewelry. Therefore, I have chosen to only work with ethically sourced materials. All of my jewelry is made with recycled metals, reclaimed wood, and ethically sourced diamonds.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
The commitment from jewelers to become activists for responsible mining, sustainable and ethical sources for gold, silver, and diamonds could lead to responsible mining and supply chain transparency. It is of upmost importance for jewelry designers and companies to transform the mining and jewelry industries for the protection of the earth, its peoples, and cultures.
How can ethical and sustainable fashion contribute to the long-term sustainable future for the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment?
The mining industry has a devastating impact on ecosystems from poised waters to solid toxic waste. According to No Dirty Gold, “producing gold for one wedding ring alone generates 20 tons of waste.” Most people probably don’t know this but metal mining was the number one toxic polluter in the United States in 2010 releasing arsenic, mercury, and lead into the environment. According to Ethical Metalsmtihs, “Large open-pit mines operated by multi-national corporations consume wilderness areas, destroy ecosystems and violate human rights. Artisanal mining in impoverished nations exploit labor, poison communities and ravage environments.” Ethical jewelers can help reduce the ecological and human footprint of mining by using sustainable materials and recycled metals.
What is Sarah Zentz Jewelry?
Sarah Zentz Jewelry is an ethical jewelry production company. I design contemporary pieces of adornment that are minimal, geometric, and ethically made where the ocean meets the redwood forest in Big Sur, California. My handmade ethical jewelry is inspired by and created for the nature loving adventurer and traveler.
What are some of its feature products?
My newest ethical jewelry line is made from reclaimed redwood and Argentium silver. The redwood species contains the largest and tallest trees in the world. These majestic trees can live thousands of years. Redwood forests once covered large parts of Europe, Asia, and North America, but changing climates spared only three small areas of these majestic trees – the Coast of California is one of these three places. Due to habitat losses from fire, logging, drought, and air pollution they are endangered. In my jewelry production, I only use fallen old growth redwood from California. The redwood is not treated, and remains fully biodegradable. My hope is that my jewelry will be a part of the conservation efforts to preserve the remaining redwood forests by bringing awareness to the threats the largest and tallest trees in the world are facing. Additionally, Argentium Silver is considered an “environmentally responsible” metal. All Argentium is made from 100% recycled silver and fully traceable, ethically sourced, raw silver.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
Although, I consider many of my wood jewelry designs unisex, my main customer base is 25-34-year-old women.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Since the first time I saw the Pacific Ocean and magnanimous redwood trees, I was inspired to live and create work in the beautiful place I now call home in Big Sur, California. I love creating pieces of adornment that have a story and connect people to a space. To be able to create jewelry using fully traceable, sustainable, and ethical materials gives me the most incredible fulfillment and purpose. I am so blessed to be a part of the movement of ethical jewelry and ethical fashion.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
The best way to get in touch with me is through my website:
https://www.sarahzentzjewelry.com
You can also keep up to date with me on the following social media platforms:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sarahzentzjewelry
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SarahZentzJewelry/
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/sarah_zentz
Thank you for your time, Sarah Zentz.
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Good Cloth specializes in ethical fashion—clothing, accessories, and home goods—that are designed with consideration for workers, the planet, and consumers. The shop curates products that are made with ethically-sourced materials and have a transparent supply chain. Style, workers’ rights, and the environment are the heart of Good Cloth. The company includes product journeys for each item, so that consumers can read how products are made, from beginning to end. How clothing is made shouldn’t be a mystery. Read about how creator Stephanie started her ethical fashion journey.
Tell us about yourself in brief, how you got involved in ethical and sustainable fashion?
The steps that lead me to dive headfirst into founding an ethical fashion business had been long in the making. All the signs pointed to an intersection that I just hadn’t yet discovered. By the time I launched Good Cloth, I had been writing about fashion and human rights, separately, for years. Before my ‘aha’ moment, they seemed entirely disparate loves. On one hand, I wrote about fashion and makeup. On the other I wrote about human rights. It wasn’t until I wrote Human Trafficking Around the World: Hidden in Plain Sight (it was published—courtesy of Columbia University Press—in 2013) that the intersection between the two became clear.
When I began to research human trafficking, I learned about factories’ operations and forced labor worldwide. As I found out more about human trafficking and exploitation in the fashion industry, it shaped and changed the way I shopped. An avid lover of fashion, I was shocked to learn how garment workers are treated and how many are forced to pay recruitment fees that put them in debt bondage. Lack of transparency and convoluted supply chains—where nominal onus is placed on companies—creates opportunity for unscrupulous people to step in and take advantage. Even the best-intentioned companies have a hard time with transparency when they have convoluted supply chains. That’s part of the reason why Good Cloth curates designers that work with small supply chains. The other reason is that we want to give a helping hand to companies that are doing tremendous work but don’t have ample funds and, thereby, need more support.
Even when debt bondage isn’t an issue, garment workers don’t earn a living wage in the nations where most of our clothing in the U.S. is made. Garment workers don’t earn enough to satisfy their basic needs, including, clothing. As consumers we expect a dress to cost $9.99, yet the person who made the dress doesn’t earn enough to buy clothes for themselves and their family.
All of this information weighed heavy on me during my research. I began to change my personal shopping patterns and conversed with friends and family about convoluted supply chains and lack of transparency across the fashion industry. As Project Runway’s Tim Gunn told me when I interviewed him for Huffington Post, “Designers and brands have a responsibility to provide transparency information to consumers,” Gunn said. “Otherwise, it’s just a lying deceptive shell game.” I wanted to support brands that ethically-sourced and gave transparency from seed to shelf. It wasn’t until I began speaking to readers that I realized all the research I had done for myself could be an excellent tool for those who want an easy way to shop responsibly, where the research and vetting has already been done for them.
I began doing presentations on my book and human trafficking in May 2013; it was less than a month after the Rana Plaza collapse and readers approached me on how they could shop ethically. Meaning, they wanted to make sure that what they purchased wasn’t tied to exploitative or dangerous conditions. What once seemed remote was no longer. They got it and so too did the media, at least momentarily. As consumers our memory is short and our patience shorter. We want instant gratification when it comes to purchasing, but the sustainable fashion movement is asking people to slow down and think about how to spend their money consciously. That requires ease. Meaning, people need to have easily accessible ways to shop responsibly.
These conversations—with friends, family and readers—showed me how powerful it is when people realize they can make a difference. Exploitation, human trafficking, poverty and marginalization are all words that invoke feelings of hopelessness. They also seem remote to people—problems happening elsewhere to people far away. That isn’t accurate, but in order to clarify this misunderstanding people have to be engaged and open to dialogue. Fashion is an ideal conduit. It’s light and fun, but when a person purchases a garment they like and it has an attached social good, it makes the person feel good—he/she walks away feeling that he/she is an active part of positive change. I founded Good Cloth, in part, because there is a stark difference in animation when a person talks about human trafficking generally versus what he/she can do as an individual to be part of the solution. I launched the store online, instead of at a brick and mortar location, because I want it to be accessible no matter where the customer is located.
Running the store satisfies me on multiple levels. Good Cloth is the perfect intersection between two of my loves—fashion and human rights—and it feels good to do good by creating an easy-to-access space for consumers to shop responsibly.
With ethical and sustainable fashion, what is its importance in theory?
When I hear the world sustainability, it is hard for me to compartmentalize into fashion alone. It is a way of living. When I think about sustainable, I think about life and how even in daily life, particularly in the US, there are so many ‘unsustainables’. I may have made up a new word. (Laugh) We live our lives in warp speed. Rush in the morning, rush during work to meet deadlines, rush off to whatever happens after the workday is done—in my world that is picking up the kids, homework time, bedtime, sleep and then doing it all again, in a hurry. I don’t think the constant rushing lifestyle is healthy or sustainable. There are so many moving parts that I haven’t figured out how to change it, but I make moderations where I can, slowing down where I can. That includes etching out time for relaxation with my kids and alone.
What’s also not sustainable is the marginalization of women worldwide. This is part of the reason founding Good Cloth was important to me. Human trafficking and exploitation is a serious problem in the fashion industry and the vast majority of garment workers worldwide are women and girls. That means the vast majority of people detrimented in the fashion industry are women and girls. That’s why Good Cloth solely includes designers that make products that ethically source materials and consider workers—by going above and beyond the bar set by labor laws—and the planet along the entire supply chain.
It’s also essential to me that Good Cloth is a space for women entrepreneurs. There is a significant gender gap in leadership positions in the US, due to explicit and implicit bias, and I want to do my part to support women leaders in business. I want to help improve and sustain women in leadership positions. So, as you can see, sustainability isn’t theory for me, it’s a mission.
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Wildlife Works’ objective is to advance economic and social solutions for communities where both wildlife survival and forest preservation is threatened.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
California native. Chinese descent. My grandparents have many war stories from China. They finally settled in Taiwan, where I spent some time in my childhood.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
Studies sociology at UCLA. I always wanted to get into fashion but knew I had to find my way through a non-traditional path. I started my career in consumer marketing and always worked with small business so I picked up an entrepreneurial perspective and work ethic. On a fluke, I started modeling and styling on the side. It started to pick up and I quite my full time job to pursue modeling, styling and creative fashion production full time. It paid off. Not only was I modeling, I became art director for a couple small fashion magazines, as well as doing marketing for small startup fashion brands.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
In New York, I was recruited to do global marketing for a boutique fashion brand based in Hong Kong. I moved with one month’s notice. I was ready for the adventure. But the work environment turned out to be completely soul sucking and unfulfilling. I quit, moved home in search of something that gave back to the world. I met the founder of wildlife works years ago and got back in touch and it was perfect time.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
They are important as “proof of concept.” To create a consumer movement that pressures the big companies to produce more ethically.
What seems like the importance of fair trade?
Fair Trade is an important bar of measurement for all production to measure against. Are the producers at the end of the supply chain getting a fair and sustainable wage? And certification is important for transparency.
What seems like the importance of a (relative to the country) living wage?
It’s the only way people can sustain their livelihood on a job.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
More thoughtful, less volume, less is more – promotes longer use and sustainable production practices.
How can ethical and sustainable fashion contribute to the long-term sustainable future for the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment?
Continue to move production towards sustainable means, as well as train consumers to not demand fast fashion – but this would require a huge industry and paradigm shift. I am hopeful we’ll get there or be forced to get there when we finally deplete our natural resources.
The wildlife works factory in Kenya produces quality made garments that support the local rural population and protect wildlife and trees Their workers get paid a Fair Trade ‘premium’ for every certified order. This money helps to further local empowerment and economic development and has made a big impact on the lives of our workers in rural Kenya.
The Sustainable Apparel Coalition invented The Higg Index. It assesses some products’ sustainability throughout the products’ lifecycle. The European Outdoor Group and the Outdoor Industry Association developed an index of products’ impacts on the environment throughout their lifecycle, the Eco Index. Large regions with serious attempts to implement standards and quantitative analysis of sustainability of products throughout their lifecycle. What seem like the importance of quality tests, or metrics, such as these and others?
Metrics to measure movement on a scale is necessary to have all parties speaking the same language so that the goal is clearly defined.
Certifications, or standards and labelling, remain important, which associate with analysis. These include Fairtrade International, MADE-BY, the Ethical Trading Initiative Base Code, the Soil Association label and the EKOlabel, the Oko-Tex standard 100 mark, and the European Eco-Label for Textile Products, and more. There’s many. Do these help systematize and clarify, or obfuscate and confuse?
It’s definitely confusing to the end user, when it’s supposed to do the opposite. The danger with too many levels of labeling with different standards, consumers are still left with the confusion of which labels are truly legitimate, i.e. organic food label has started to lose consumer trust, but it’s better than nothing or the standard conventional.
The Ethical Fashion Forum developed the Ethical Policy Framework. An ethical policy framework tool for those devoted to enactment of ethical and sustainable purchases, production, and business decisions. What do services such as these perform for the public, consumers, producers, and businesspeople?
These organizations are great to help consumers sift through the labeling overload.
Who are personal heroes, or heroines, within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Safia Minney of People Tree.
What is Wildlife Works?
Conservation company that protects forests and wildlife by providing sustainable jobs in rural areas with human-wildlife conflict. On our Kenyan conservation site, we have the world’s only carbon neutral Fair Trade factory that protects wildlife.
What inspired the title of the organization?
The founder’s, Mike’s, basic idea is that if you want wildlife, you have to make sure it works for local communities.
What are some of its feature products?
Our own bran: organic, easy to wear.
Our main business is producing for other brands. Our customers include: Puma, Uniform, Raven ad Lily, Greater Good, and Lalesso.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
For our own brand: organic cotton.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Wildlife Works?
For our own brand: Chetna in India grows cotton, Rajlaskshmi Mills, we design and cut and sew.
What topics most interest you?
Inspiring as many people as possible to consume less and more consciously in all areas of life.
Why should ethical and sustainable (and other) fashion designers and companies include the Triple Bottom Line analysis in individual and business performance?
Considers and sustains the health of our planet!
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
Helped to ignite consumer outrage, awareness and demand for better working conditions.
What is the importance of the status of women in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
They make up the majority of the global fashion work force.
What seem like some of the explicit and implicit forms observed in personal and professional life to you?
This says a lot. ;P
Thank you for your time, Joyce.
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Avila is an Australian lifestyle label locally produced in Melbourne, offering luxury clothing you can wear everyday. They instil qualities of elegance and naturalness in all their garments by selecting luxurious natural fabrics, ensuring quality fit and an ethical and sustainable conscience. Their philosophy stems from supporting healthy, balanced lifestyles where style and comfort do co-exist. We have a chat with founder and designer, Ashleigh Bingham.
Tell us about family background
I was born in Melbourne, Australia and grew up in the outer suburbs of Melbourne. I spent a lot of my childhood on our family farm in rural Victoria, where I developed a passion for nature and animals.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I developed an interest in textiles design and construction during school. I gravitated towards using different types of fabrics to create various mixed media artworks. From there I moved into fashion, as I loved the idea that a piece of blank fabric could transform into something wearable.
After school I studied a Bachelor in Design specializing in Fashion. I struggled through the majority of this course not really finding my area or where I wanted to take this. It wasn’t until my final year where I was given the freedom to truly express my personal style and active wear and casual wear was exactly that.
Out of University I interned for a while and then started my own label.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
After doing a research study during my University course I really started to see the issues in the fashion industry and the huge negative impact this industry has on people and the environment. I was shocked at the conditions in many factories and sweatshops.
I also saw the importance of quality clothing that would last and not be thrown away after one season. The more I learnt the more I became passionate about doing what I could to make a change. To show people that you can merge, fashion, style, quality, comfort, ethics and sustainability. These are the core values at Avila.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
After university I started working for a fashion label as an intern. While working I saw first hand some of the issues that I had researched during university and I felt more strongly that there was a better way to produce clothing. After interning for a while I finally got the confidence to start my own label that incorporated all the values that I felt strongly about.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
Ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies have a crucial role in educating and making consumers stop and think about what they are purchasing. These companies prove that fashion can be produced ethically and sustainably and hopefully encourage a movement towards accountability within the industry.
What is the importance of fair trade?
Fair-trade is very important, as it is a universal accreditation that products with this certification are produced in decent working conditions and fair terms of trade for farmers and workers. Fair-trade raises standards of living for these farmers and their families and is aimed at encouraging a positive change in the industry.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
I would say Emma Watson as she has an amazing influence and uses her large reach to educate people. She is standing up for issues that she truly believes are huge issues within the industry.
What is Avila?
Avila is an emerging Australian lifestyle label locally produced in Melbourne, offering luxury clothing you can wear everyday. We instill qualities of elegance of naturalness in all our garments by selecting luxurious natural fabrics, ensuring quality fit and an ethical and sustainable conscience.
What inspired the title of the organization?
The name Avila was inspired by one of the horses I grew up with. Her personality, free spirit and strength are inline with how I see the Avila customer and therefore the perfect name for the label.
What are some of its feature products?
We produce a casual daywear range, with versatile classic styles that don’t date. Our other range is an Athleisure range, which includes styles combining elements of active, comfort and leisure.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
We use organic cotton, tencel, modal and merino fibers mostly.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Avila?
We use accredited suppliers that we research thoroughly before working with. We are able to source the majority of our fabrics here in Melbourne from a local mill and a local company accredited by Ethical Clothing Australia (ECA) produces our products.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Yes, the fibers and fabrics we use are biodegradable.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
The Avila woman strives to create a balanced lifestyle through health and fitness. She is very busy and enjoys being able to transition from a yoga class to coffee with friends, while remaining comfortable and stylish. She has an interest in sustainable fashion and locally produced clothing and values the story behind clothing.
What topics most interest you?
Functional fashion that is eco friendly. I am also interested in fabric production and developing new ways to produce fabrics with a lower environmental impact.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
I have been lucky enough to have many people in the industry that have offered support and advise. I do have a mentor in the Business and finance area, which has been crucial to the growth of the brand.
Have you mentored others?
At this stage I have not but would love to mentor others in the future.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
There are so many benefits to having a mentor for professional and personal development. One of the main benefits to me personally has been getting different perspectives, which has enabled me to see my business differently, and learning to keep an open mind.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
At Avila we take responsibility to educate people as much as possible so they are able to make an informed decision. Our number one priority is that our makers produce our clothing in an ethical manner and in good working conditions. We work closely with our makers who love making our products and are very passionate about every item they make. The more knowledge that we can share about the issues the more people become aware and hope this can lead to a change.
What educational campaigns and pragmatic initiatives might the fashion industry encourage and support to improve the chances for girls and women?
There are a number of scholarship programs that are being run for women in developing countries. I believe this is a really effective way to educate and support women in communities where equality and education for women is lacking.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
I think encouraging people to ask questions. All along the supply change it is the responsibility of everyone in the process to ask questions about where, how and who was involved in the making of this product. For us as designers we need to be asking our suppliers for detailed information about where our fabrics come from, who made them and in what conditions were they made. We need to know everything about all parts of the process.
As consumers we need to be asking the brands about how and where the products are made. If everyone in the process asks more questions I believe we will begin to move towards an industry that promotes a better quality of life for all involved in the process.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Having the knowledge that my label supports local makers working in great conditions and creating jobs for our locally industry is a really great feeling. I also hope that we prompt more people to ask questions about how and by whom, their garments are made, therefore helping the industry move towards more sustainable and ethical processes.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
At the moment, I am solely dedicated to my label and the growth of the label.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Overdressed by Elizabeth L. Cline.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, Avila?
We can be contacted at info@avila.com.au. You can also follow us on Instagram, Facebook and Pinterest.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Having to put myself out of my comfort zone to enable my business to grow. In the early days of the business I was not able to hire people to do certain things that I did not have knowledge in. I had to put myself out there to learn about all aspects of the business, which at times was very uncomfortable and emotionally challenging for me.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
Committing to starting my own business has been quite an emotional process. No one is telling you what to do or when to do it, so it has really been a learning process for me to stay motivated and persevere through the challenges of running my own business.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
Do what you love!
Thank you for your time, Ashleigh.
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Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion. What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
Hello, I’m Jessica from Barcelona, Spain. I have been hand sewing since I was 8 years old, and I learnt by watching my mother and grandmother. At that age it was just a hobby, it relaxed me, and I never thought that it became my passion and work. Some years ago my grandma kept on telling me “leave the work you have and concentrate on sewing! You have talent!”…and here I am with my own brand “Pqno… Handmade designs”.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion? How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
I have learned by myself, trying, failing, trying again, designing my own patterns and using them first to see if they would work or not. I use ‘common sense’ and ask and listen friends and family experience.
When I started my brand, I wondered if I could do something “extra”, not just sew and create useful and colorful products, but how I could create impact and contribute to the society and welfare, and then I start reading about ethical and sustainable fashion, and it fit to my brand’s main idea: buy just the fabrics I need, always 100% cotton, and use them all producing almost none waste.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
It’s not just to make eco-sustainable products to sell, but to teach and show the world that another way of making clothes is possible. When I sell in markets I enjoy explaining how I work and that my pieces have high quality, are useful, are not expensive, are unique and moreover, have no negative impact in the environment.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
I would say the small brands like mine that are willing of carry on their passion for sustainable fashion, no matter the barriers along the way. It’s hard to have a small piece of the fashion cake, and if it’s sustainable fashion even harder.
What is Pqno… Handmade designs?
#alapqnostyle was born to combine quality cotton fabrics with cheerful and modern pattern, to create useful and unique pieces, and if they can have more than one use, and be combined to create sets, better, always respecting an eco-sustainable design and an affordable and adjusted price throughout the year.
I buy the fabrics in local shops, selecting one by one, thinking how I can combine them. I buy small amount of each fabric to have a good selection to choose from, and this means that the products created are unique models.
I take care of the design and manufacture by hand or machine, with great care and love, as each piece is special and even more if I know who is going to use it. I use the maximum of the fabrics to generate minimal impact on waste and be as sustainable as possible. Member of the Associació Moda Sostenible Barcelona (Barcelona Sustainable Fashion Association) and Women Creators from Gràcia-Barcelona, and it’s part of the directory of The Slow wear project and Sustainable fashion brands.
What inspired the title of the organization?
“Pqno” is abbreviation of “por qué no” in Spanish and “per què no” in Catalan, that means “why not”, and when I was considering of starting the business, I have my doubts, as many of us I think, but I always finished the sentence with “why not?”: “why not to try it? why not to do it? why not to start it?”. I said “why not” so many times that when I started thinking about the name’s brand, it just came “Pqno” and then I added “handmade designs” to be more specific about the nature of the brand.
What are some of its feature products?
It started as a kids accessories brand, but adults also increasingly buy my products to use them themselves or give them to other adults. For kids, the most popular are the bibs, the softies and the pacifier strap (both hand sewed). The backpacks, saquettes, pouches, hair scrunchie are for everybody, no matter the age. Now in 2017 I have 3 new products: -a frame for decoration (a small embroidery frame as I used to use for hand sewed when I was little, and pieces of fabrics I can’t use). -a bag for women (you can adjust the length of the straps so it can be a tote bag or wear it as crossed-body or normal bag. The patterns are more for adults but keeping #alapqnostyle). A mini bag (you can adjust the leght of the straps and it can be used as crossed-body or as a tote bag or belt-bag).
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Basically locals, Barcelona, but as well Spain, and since Barcelona is such an international city, and as well via web, I have sold to many places in Europe, Latin America, USA, Japan, China, Australia & New Zealand.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
It was known that the working conditions were/are really bad, but unfortunately it has to be a tragedy to be on the news. What I am not that sure is that if it has been any improvement or change.
What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
I would say its human rights, not just women and children, men too, and in any industry. Any person should work in a good working environment and respecting the rights.
The Gender Inequality Index (GII) relates to the empowerment of women, gender equality, and international women’s rights. The progress for gender equity is positive. Regressive forces exist in explicit and implicit forms. What seem like some of the explicit and implicit forms observed in personal and professional life to you?
Once a Norwegian woman minister asked “why we women want to be equal, when in some fields we are better than men?”. I strongly agree. We are born equal and have the same rights, but it’s society, education, family, tradition that makes the ‘gap’ between men and women, and it’s accepted in some way. So there has to be a change of mentality in society starting at school and at home.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Consumers should know where the product they buy comes from and the “who made my clothes” campaign is a good start.
Fashion industry should take care of the work conditions when the hire a company to make the clothes, but here as well, I think that each country should take care of that too, it should be more inspections and verify the quality of the work environment and salaries.
What personal fulfillments comes from this work for you?
A smile that makes me smile. When I’m at a market, I look at people how they move around, they look usually serious, thinking, looking, touching, but when they see my products, they smile! And that makes me smile. It’s a privilege to be able to work on what I like, plus at it’s sustainable, and if I make people smile, even better!
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, Pqno… Handmade designs?
Mail pqno@pqno.com, social media @pqnohandmade #alapqnostyle, blog/shop www.pqno.com.
love challenges, some of my products are the result of people explaining me a problem they had, so challenges and comments are welcome!
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
I’m glad I have had the opportunity to be a small part in Trusted Clothes, congratulations for the project! Any chance we have to talk about ethical and sustainable fashion is great. People needs to know more about it and it’s a very good idea to let the designers express themselves.
Thank you for your time, Jessica.
Thanks Scott and we keep in touch.
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This story began in 2006, when David Rhode was looking for an engagement ring but couldn’t find a jeweller who could tell him where their diamonds had come from, or the conditions under which their jewellery was produced. The more he looked into the industry, the more compromises he discovered he was being asked to make. From blood diamonds, to dirty gold, to sweatshops and child labour.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on? How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I used to work as a television producer, in documentaries. Ten years ago I wanted to get engaged, and knew that my partner would be interested in the provenance of the diamond (she had worked in Africa, and I was aware of the ethical problems in the diamond industry). I wanted a top quality engagement ring, but also one where the materials were fully traceable and ethically sourced. I couldn’t find what I was looking for, and discussed this with my university friend Tim Ingle. Together we decided to tackle this issue.
What seems like the importance of fair trade?
It’s five years now since Fairtrade gold arrived on the market, and in that time a significant amount has been done to help small-scale miners in the developing world. According to the Fairtrade Foundation, the Fairtrade mining cooperatives sold 170kg of Fairtrade gold to the global market in 2015, generating a ‘Fairtrade premium’ of US$340,000 on top of the selling price to invest in community projects.
What seems like the importance of a (relative to the country) living wage?
The Minimum Wage simply isn’t enough to survive – certainly not in London. The Living Wage Foundation calculates the Living Wage based on the basic cost of living across the UK. In London, the Living Wage is £9.15 per hour. At Ingle and Rhode we are proud to be a Living Wage employer.
Climate change represents one of the biggest medium- to long-term threats to human survival in reasonable forms. The Government of Canada, NASA, the David Suzuki Foundation, The Royal Society, The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and numerous others discuss this. Ethical and sustainable fashion relates to it. The reductions in hydrocarbon production from sustainable materials seem imperative sustain the further deterioration of the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment. What seems like the responsibilities of ethical and sustainable fashion companies in the prevention of climate catastrophe?
It’s impossible to offer a fine jewellery product with absolutely zero environmental impact. Mining inevitably impacts the environment, and metals are melted at high temperatures and gemstones are transported around the world. However, we believe we have an obligation to minimize our footprint as far as possible – as long as people require fine jewellery, we’ll make it in the most environmentally friendly way possible.
The Brundtland Commission Report described the need for sustainability. In that, we, the human species, need to meet the “needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs” for long-term sustainability. Does this seem correct to you?
It seems like common sense, it’s just strange that so many people seem to disagree.
How can ethical and sustainable fashion contribute to the long-term sustainable future for the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment?
Fashion is clearly a high-profile industry. Anything that raises consumer awareness of these issues must be helpful in the long run.
Certifications, or standards and labelling, remain important, which associate with analysis. These include Fairtrade International, MADE-BY, the Ethical Trading Initiative Base Code, the Soil Association label and the EKOlabel, the Oko-Tex standard 100 mark, and the European Eco-Label for Textile Products, and more. There’s many. Do these help systematize and clarify, or obfuscate and confuse?
Of these certifications, the only one we’ve had dealings with is Fairtrade – we’ve found their involvement in our industry to be very positive. The Fairtrade brand is extremely well recognised, and provides consumers with re-assurance that someone has bothered to verify supply chains back to source. If that helps encourage ethical production, that must surely be a good thing.
What is Ingle & Rhode?
An independent luxury jeweller, with a fully traceable and ethical supply chain.
Thank you for your time, David.
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Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I was born in Kenya to a family of Indian origin. My great grandfather moved from India to Kenya during British colonial times to work on the railways. My grandfather went back to India to study to become a Hindu pundit. He decided then with his best friend at school that when they grew up, their children would get married so that then they could be family. That’s how my parents got married. However in spite of his spiritual training my grandfather decided that commerce was his interest and started a textile business which my father then expanded across Africa. My family lived between Kenya and India but moved to the UK when I was 8 years old. I’ve spent most of my live since then in the UK – apart from a few periods of living in Switzerland and Zanzibar. So my culture and heritage has always been a mix – I feel Indian, Kenyan and British.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
As a teenager I became vegetarian and became passionate about animal rights – leafleting my school for “Chickens Lib” was a particularly memorable campaign.
At university I studied Economics & Government and went back to do a Master’s degree in Development Economics with a focus on Africa. My dream was to work in a large development organization such as the World Bank or the UN. I realized that dream with a short stint at UNCTAD (UN Conference on Trade and Development) in Geneva. Very quickly I became disillusioned with the waste and bureaucracy and returned to the UK.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
After my time in Geneva, my father asked me to join him in his business selling t-shirts that were made in his factory in Tanzania. I decided to give it a try and very quickly I was hooked. I saw myself the difference we made to the lives of thousands of people working in the Tanzanian factory and I realized that business was a much more powerful tool to help realize my goals than NGOs or public organization.
After two years I started my own company Mantis World. We never considered ourselves an ethical company as we took decent values for granted given my experience of our factory in Tanzania. It was only when I visited other factories that I realized decent values were not normal in this industry. That was when we realized the importance of talking about ethics and sustainability in textile manufacture.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
I think it’s the only way to do long term business.
What is the importance of fair trade?
To me this is a confusing term as it is used in many ways – either as a description of how businesses work but also as a sort of “brand” of the FairTrade foundation. It’s very difficult to measure exactly what the impact is as a loose description. As a concept – of course it’s very important. We cannot be so desperate to get a good deal that we would be happy with exploitation of others to get it. We have to value people and the planet too.
What seems like the importance of a (relative to the country) living wage?
It’s important because it allows us to measure. It’s not easy to pay the living wage, but at least if you know what it is you can work towards it. As a company we make sure we are paying the London Living Wage as set by the Living Wage Foundation, which is higher than the Government-set living wage.
Recently our factory calculated the cost of living in Tanzania and by actually measuring the daily costs, the factory immediately increased wages. You can only manage what you measure!
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
The price and delivery pressures of fast fashion can lead to abuses of human rights in factories and takes a huge environmental toll on resources. We need to value our resources – buy less, choose well, make it last (in the words of Vivienne Westwood)
The Pythagoreans, the Neoplatonists, Aristotle, and the Stoics, William Wilberforce, Baron Erskine created the ancient thought about animal rights. Jeremy Bentham, the founder of utilitarianism, discussed the suffering of non-human animals. Peter Singer argues for non-human animal rights too. The Nonhuman Rights Project (NhRP) People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), and others work to support animals and work to enforce their rights. Some fashion manufacture processes violate animals’ rights. What is the importance of animal rights, especially in an ethical and sustainable fashion context?
Personally it’s a big issue for me. For this reason my company will not work with leather or animal products. From a broader perspective, as an industry we need to do a lot more to ensure animal rights. The Textile Exchange has created a Responsible Down Standard, Responsible Wool Standard and is working on a much needed Responsible Leather Standard. I hope these standards will help change how the fashion industry treats animals.
Climate change represents one of the biggest medium- to long-term threats to human survival in reasonable forms. The Government of Canada, NASA, the David Suzuki Foundation, The Royal Society, The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and numerous others discuss this. Ethical and sustainable fashion relates to it. The reductions in hydrocarbon production from sustainable materials seem imperative sustain the further deterioration of the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment. What seems like the responsibilities of ethical and sustainable fashion companies in the prevention of climate catastrophe?
It’s not the responsibility of just ethical and sustainable fashion companies. It’s everyone’s responsibility!! What I found extremely interesting recently is that organic farming (not just of cotton, but all agriculture) can help reverse climate change by trapping carbon in the soil. So we might have our solutions already, we just need to implement them.
The Brundtland Commission Report described the need for sustainability. In that, we, the human species, need to meet the “needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs” for long-term sustainability. Does this seem correct to you?
I completely agree. At the moment it feels like we are stealing from our children.
How can ethical and sustainable fashion contribute to the long-term sustainable future for the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment?
The Sustainable Apparel Coalition invented The Higg Index. It assesses some products’ sustainability throughout the products’ lifecycle. The European Outdoor Group and the Outdoor Industry Association developed an index of products’ impacts on the environment throughout their lifecycle, the Eco Index. Large regions with serious attempts to implement standards and quantitative analysis of sustainability of products throughout their lifecycle. What seem like the importance of quality tests, or metrics, such as these and others?
Metrics are really important. None of them are perfect, but we have to start somewhere. Again we can only manage what we measure.
The Ethical Fashion Forum developed the Ethical Policy Framework. An ethical policy framework tool for those devoted to enactment of ethical and sustainable purchases, production, and business decisions. What do services such as these perform for the public, consumers, producers, and businesspeople?
There is never one answer or one way to conduct business more ethically. So it’s not the only way, but I do love the work of the Ethical Fashion Forum. We have been supporters and partners for a long time and they are usually the first port of call for fashion companies and start-ups wanting to know how to be more sustainable. They have a wealth of knowledge and expertise.
Who are personal heroes, or heroines, within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Katharine Hamnett, Vivienne Westwood, the team at Patagonia.
What is Mantis World?
A supplier of “blank” apparel to the imprintables industry. We manufacture ethically made fashion basics for men, women, children and babies. Holding stock in the UK, we are able to offer fast delivery of our garments across Europe, ready for other companies to personalize with their logos or designs – all with no minimum order quantity. We hope this allows other companies to buy sustainable garments easily.
What inspired the title of the organization?
I was trying to find an African creature that was not yet trademarked. I accidentally mixed up a praying mantis (nasty creature) with a stick insect (harmless creature). Oops!
What are some of its feature products?
In general, our customers love our “Well Made” clothing; using the best quality fabrics and cuts, made responsibly with more sustainable fibres than ever. We’re well-known for our brand Babybugz, the biggest range of babywear within our industry. Our premium, retail-style Superstar collection has been a success story since its introduction in 2011. And this year, we’re very excited about the launch of ONE, our new gender-neutral range.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
Cotton mostly, some cotton/polyester blends and Tencel®.
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Water use in production is an issue. What is the importance of reducing excess water use in the production of fashion?
Water consumption is a big issue in fashion. The highest uses of water come in growing fibre, manufacturing process and post-consumer laundry. Using rain-fed instead of irrigated cotton, using better dyeing processes and minimizing dyeing, washing less are all ways of reducing water consumption. Biggest effect would come from just buying less stuff!
The Triple Bottom Line defines three performance dimensions: the social, environmental, and commercial/financial. In contradistinction to the standard commercial/financial analysis alone, the Triple Bottom Line incorporates environmental and social performance too. Why should ethical and sustainable (and other) fashion designers and companies include the Triple Bottom Line analysis in individual and business performance?
It’s the only way to measure a business’ performance so that decisions are made not only with financial profit in mind. If we value our planet and humanity (and I think most of us do!) then we have to make at least a start in measuring the Triple Bottle Line.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
Big press interest ensures large companies become more committed to improving working conditions. It should not take tragedies like Rana Plaza to make that happen, but I think it acted as a big wakeup call and catalyst for action.
The Gender Inequality Index (GII) relates to the empowerment of women, gender equality, and international women’s rights. The progress for gender equity is positive. Regressive forces exist in explicit and implicit forms. What seem like some of the explicit and implicit forms observed in personal and professional life to you?
We could write many books about this! Progress on the empowerment of women does continue but not at the rate as I would like to see – certainly not in some cultures. However, the more strong positive female role models there are I would hope to see progress accelerate.
Any women’s rights activist or campaigner hero for you?
Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, Michelle Obama and my aunt.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Seeing the industry get better. Being inspired by and inspiring others.
Any other work at this time?
Launching a new sustainable fashion brand which I’m very excited about called Re.Sustain
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
Best to email info@mantisworld.com or engage with us on social media
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
It’ll be alright in the end. And if it’s not alright, it’s not the end.
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15:21 is a Stockholm-based brand with a love for functional minimalist design. We make everyday essentials – the things you touch and hold the most (lovers aside) – in natural cork.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
I have no prior experience working with fashion. My past working places we’re rectangular and the work monotonous which inspired me to create the creative space which is 15:21.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I’ve always have had a strong passion for creating a sustainable future and fashion. Starting a accessory brand creating cork accessories just seemed like the natural way of integrating my two greatest interests.
What seems like the importance of a (relative to the country) living wage?
I personally believe that sewing clothes is a great first step for people to get out of poverty. For this to be possible, living wages is a necessity. All companies working in the field of fashion must start to take their responsibility to ensure that their suppliers are paying the workers enough.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
You know how you begin to form an emotional connection to a clothing item you’ve had for ages? That’s slow fashion. Fast fashion clothes just doesn’t have that kind of durability to survive long enough for you to gain any kind of relation with it, and that’s a deal breaker, at least for me.
The Pythagoreans, the Neoplatonists, Aristotle, and the Stoics, William Wilberforce, Baron Erskinecreated the ancient thought about animal rights. Jeremy Bentham, the founder of utilitarianism, discussed the suffering of non-human animals. Peter Singer argues for non-human animal rights too. The Nonhuman Rights Project (NhRP) People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), and others work to support animals and work to enforce their rights. Some fashion manufacture processes violate animals’ rights. What is the importance of animal rights, especially in an ethical and sustainable fashion context?
The thought of animals being treated badly just for the cause of creating as cheap as possible leather is horrible. I believe that ultimately it’s up to the consumers to change their behaviour and take a stand for animals’ right by purchasing goods produced responsibly. So if you’re considering buying a cheap leather wallet, you should probably just go for cork instead. Nobody want’s bad karma in their pocket.
Climate change represents one of the biggest medium- to long-term threats to human survival in reasonable forms. The Government of Canada, NASA, the David Suzuki Foundation, The Royal Society, The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and numerous others discuss this. Ethical and sustainable fashion relates to it. The reductions in hydrocarbon production from sustainable materials seem imperative sustain the further deterioration of the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment. What seems like the responsibilities of ethical and sustainable fashion companies in the prevention of climate catastrophe?
I’m a big supporter of H&Ms initiative to recycle worn clothes in all of their stores! Since 2013 they have collected enough garments from consumers to produce 150 million million t-shirts. I hope and encourage more companies to involve their customers in creating a more sustainable fashion industry in the near future.
It’s also very important that all companies working with fashion take responsibility of the impacts caused by the value chain. Materials, Working conditions, fair Wages, Fire & building safety, Animal welfare, chemicals, climate & emissions and use of Water are all crucial areas within fashion that generally needs improvement.
The Ethical Fashion Forum developed the Ethical Policy Framework. An ethical policy framework tool for those devoted to enactment of ethical and sustainable purchases, production, and business decisions. What do services such as these perform for the public, consumers, producers, and businesspeople?
These types of initiatives are just great as they connect sustainable brands with consumers wishing to contribute to a better world. They also help businesses like us to find responsible producers.
What is 15:21?
We are a Stockholm-based brand with a love for functional minimalist design. We make everyday essentials – the things you touch and hold the most (lovers aside) – in natural cork.
The concept behind 15:21 is to blend Scandinavian simplicity with nature’s own aesthetics. All our products are made in fine quality Portuguese cork. It’s our belief that nature should be nourished, not exploited. By working with cork, we do exactly that
What inspired the title of the organization?
It all started with a missed train to work.
Arriving at the train station at 15:21, I was a few seconds late but just in time to watch my train to work close its doors and slowly roll away. Instead of feeling frustrated, I had a moment of lucidity where I came to realize how my life was built around routines and my soul-less work. I began to pick up on an old project and started sketching on new ideas.
That’s how 15:21 came about.
What are some of its feature products?
Our collection is currently slim. We’re offering wallets, card holder, passport holder and iPhone cases all made in cork. Keep an eye on us because exciting products are soon to be unveiled.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of 15:21?
The cork we use for our carrying collection is sourced in Braga, Portugal where they also are made. The products are designed in Stockholm.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
We like to describe our customers with one word – conscious.
Child labor and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labor. A few million children in the case of child slavery. According to the Minimum Age Convention (1973), labor before the age of 14, 15, or 16, dependent upon the country, is child labor. The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966) in Article 7, Article 24(1), Article 24(2), and Article 24(3), the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (1966) in Article 10(3), The Convention on the Rights of the Child (1989) in Article 2(2), Article 3(1), Article 3(2), and Article 19, the Vienna Declartion and Programme of Action (1993) in Section II (Paragraph 45-48 and 50), and the Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, especially Women and Children (2000) delineate children’s rights. These stipulations about equality remain violated in the fashion industry, especially the manufacturing sector or the garment industry. How can individuals get the word out about these extreme children’s rights violations?
There are several ways to force manufacturers to do the production in the light of day. I personally believe that short interviews with children working in production of fast fashion clothes on social medias will in the long run have the biggest impact on the consumers.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Companies working fashion obviously have the biggest responsibility but anyone can support a better quality of life for workers in the manufacturing sector. By simply demanding slow fashion companies will have to adjust their strategies to stay in demand. I personally believe that companies that take social and environmental aspects into consideration will be most successful in the end.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion
industry by a vast margin of difference at most levels. Why?
I believe that we’re slowly going towards a gender equilibrium in fashion as men becomes more interested in fashion and style.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
The reason for choosing to work with cork besides it being aesthetically pleasing is by using the material incredible direct and indirect effects are made on the environment. For example, trees are never cut down or harmed in the process of sourcing cork. Rather, more trees are planted and the cork forests nourished with increased production and becomes protected as it acquires an economic value. A harvested oak is by law left for 9 years to regrow it’s bark. During this time the tree absorbs up to five times more co2 which has led to Portugal’s cork forests absorbing more than 10 million tons of carbon dioxides annually.
A great personal fulfillment for me would be to play a part in making the fashion industry more conscious.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
I encourage all curious about what we do to contact me at fredrik@1521store.com.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Consumer awareness is definitely the key in my opinion to solve the social and environmental issues of today’s fashion industry. Therefore, it makes me really excited to find organizations like trusted clothes raising awareness and educating people of the effects caused by fast fashion. I believe that the future is bright for slow fashion as an increasingly amount of people are enlightened of the true cost of suspiciously cheap clothes.
Thank you for your time, Fredrik.
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Thomas and Marion founded and own TSHU, an elegant and committed handkerchief. Ethically made in Montreal (Canada), the TSHU handkerchiefs boast unique, bold, colourful designs and a distinctive shape, to make a gesture for the environment – in style! Each hanky is handprinted with silkscreen and hand sown by our skilled seamstresses before being embroidered with our brand – a seal of elegance and commitment – and having its corner neatly folded and sown into place.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
Marion: born in Montreal (Canada) from a French-Canadian family, with roots in Quebec, France and Nova Scotia! Raised in a musical environment, by early music afficionados, with a sister and a few goldfish. Initially French-speaking, disciplined in English (learned fast).
Thomas: born France from a French-Canadian mother and a father born in Argentina in a French family. Raised in the South of France away from everything and moved to Montreal at 11.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
Marion: Creative, passionate and determined, whenever Marion has a new mission, she immediately dives into that new universe and makes it her own. No matter how unlikely the project or ambitious the strategy, no task is too daunting and she tackles everything she handles with contagious enthusiasm. In the past, Marion has managed cultural organizations, worked in communications, has coordinated big and small events as well as been part of teams which have launched large-scale projects. Now, she dreams of changing the world, one handkerchief at a time!
Thomas: Father, step-father, lover, “retired” lawyer and entrepreneur. I’m currently Vice President Revenue and leader in all commercial missions relating to marketing, customer experience and partnerships for Busbud. I’m also co-founder of TSHU, the company that has put handkerchiefs back on the map. I love winning equally as I hate losing. I’ve built powerful teams, generated financing rounds of over $10 million and secured important partnerships on almost all continents.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Summer 2013, Marion and Thomas travel to Europe to introduce their son to the family abroad and come home with an unusual legacy: Uncle Robert’s old embroidered hankies.
Back in Montreal, Marion and Thomas rediscover the pleasure of cotton handkerchiefs: yes, to relieve their noses, but also to wipe their baby’s cheeks, the water on a bench park for her, the milk froth in the moustache for him.
They start dreaming… Of handkerchiefs, of consumption, of the environment, of the desire to create new with the old. Finally, a vision takes form.
What would happen if the handkerchief had a unique shape? If it was modern, distinctive, even funky? What if a tree could be planted for each handkerchief sold? What if the handkerchief could become a fashion accessory capable of making a difference?
TSHU was born.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
Future generations need a lot more than that but it’s a start. In order for us to build a better world, every step of the value chain needs to be more sustainable. Given the modern importance of how we look, the fashion industry is clearly a huge driver of consumption. The increasing multiplicity of ethical and sustainable companies has to lead the way of the industry. The signs that he cannot go on for long are there.
What seems like the importance of fair trade?
Same thinking – if we want to build a strong tomorrow, our people and our planet have to be taken into consideration, every step of the way! Consumers need to be more exposed to the real value of things.
What seems like the importance of a (relative to the country) living wage?
Egality of chance brings peace to nations.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
It’s a way of life! Make better choices, invest in quality, not quantity, invest in our people and our planet. It’s not only better, it’s the only way to go if we want to create a better world!
What seems like the responsibilities of ethical and sustainable fashion companies in the prevention of climate catastrophe?
This is a collective responsibility. Among clients, vendors of any industry.
The Brundtland Commission Report described the need for sustainability. In that, we, the human species, need to meet the “needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs” for long-term sustainability. Does this seem correct to you?
Perfect definition.
The Sustainable Apparel Coalition invented The Higg Index. It assesses some products’ sustainability throughout the products’ lifecycle. The European Outdoor Group and the Outdoor Industry Association developed an index of products’ impacts on the environment throughout their lifecycle, the Eco Index. Large regions with serious attempts to implement standards and quantitative analysis of sustainability of products throughout their lifecycle. What seem like the importance of quality tests, or metrics, such as these and others?
In our case, it is rather simple given that our products are by design meant to reduce consumption. There’s a need for fewer standards that are more easily understood by the public. This always needs to be accompanied by great quality of products.
What is TSHU?
Leading the handkerchief’s great comeback. Helping people consume less – and better. Selling high quality stylish and useful hankies. Ethically made in Montreal. Our TSHUs have travelled to some 200 cities in 20 countries and counting. What’s more, for each adopted TSHU, we plant a tree.
What inspired the title of the organization?
Contraction of atchou in French and tissue in English.
What are some of its feature products?
High quality organic hankies with modern designs both for adults and for kids.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
Cotton sateen and lawn.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of TSHU?
Our hankies are made locally in Montreal Canada, for us to ensure of the working conditions.
Water use in production is an issue. What is the importance of reducing excess water use in the production of fashion?
Crucial.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Yes.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
30-50 years old men and women from North America and Europe. They are eco conscious and are looking for ways to contribute to the environment in style.
Did someone mentor you?
We had a few mentors – yes.
Have you mentored others?
We’re always ready to help others and offer advise from time to time.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
It’s a feel good business. We bring quality products made with love and pride in our city to households. Doing so, we know that our clients’ consumption habits will be changed for the best. What else to ask for? We also decided to not raise any funding for this business in order to remain free. Free of our decisions and free to grow at our own pace.
Any other work at this time?
Yes, we both work for other startups.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
Of course! info@1tshu1tree.com
What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Fear of failure.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
Thomas: time runs and we walk.
Thank you for your time, Marion and Thomas.
You can visit TSHU online at their website.
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Thanks for inviting me to talk with you… and thanks for the great work you’re doing up in Canada.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I come to this work in a bit of a nontraditional way— from fashion creative, advertising, and marketing. After 24 years in the industry, as creative director of Vogue Brazil Magazine, years designing the graphic look of New York’s fashion week, and almost 20 years working for the CFDA on Fashion Targets Breast Cancer, the CFDA fashion awards, etc.— I was invited to work with CFDA’s Sustainability Committee to brand, message, market and basically help evolve the program.
Several meetings and a few dozen sustainable fashion events later, I was in Bangladesh at the Rana Plaza disaster site, meeting with and photographing the victims and families. As a Tibetan Buddhist, this was my defining moment— the experience that convinced me that I had to do something about the inhumanity I saw firsthand. Nothing compares with the experience of being face to face with the profound suffering created by the industry I’ve worked in for over two decades. That’s when I realized the magnitude of the crises that the industry faces and that I needed to do something.
After returning home, I started to see that the industry lacked motivation to make broad and sweeping changes. From the questions asked at panel discussions, lectures and talks, I started to recognize that the industry lacked basic information. I started to see profound confusion around the issues. I started to see the proliferation of greenwashing and manipulation, of denial and indifference— and after meeting and getting to know the amazing people and organizations at the forefront of the valuable work across the industry, I started to see that what was needed was motivation, marketing, information and clarity— and I started to see that this was much more than an American crisis, it was a global crisis. So I started working with Loomstate’s owner and CFDA member Scott Hahn and the CFDA’s Executive VP Lisa Smilor, and with the financial support of the CFDA, I began the process of founding Responsibility in Fashion, an organization that— rather than focusing on one issue, on measurement or on certification— focuses on the big picture with the goal of motivating the industry to get together and raise the collective ‘standard of responsibility.’
What is Responsibility in Fashion?
Responsibility in Fashion is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization dedicated to raising the standard of responsibility in the global fashion industry through collaboration, innovation, inspiration and open-source information.
What inspired the title of the organization?
We spent a lot of time in the naming process. After taking a long look at the existing “ethical fashion/sustainable fashion/eco-fashion community,” we saw that over the years that the sector grew, its naming and terminology had grown into a bit of a monster. Sustainable fashion, ethical fashion and eco-fashion compose 3 different parts of one very big and complex crisis facing today’s global fashion industry. We needed a word that can do more than embrace all 3 parts of the crisis (sustainability, ethics and ecology), but one that goes far beyond just talking about the problems— a word that inspires a call-to-action— a word that people immediately (and emotionally) understand that they have a part to play in the solution— and that word is Responsibility.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
Unfortunately, it took Rana Plaza to draw our collective attention to the problem of unsafe working conditions, and that attention then exposed several of the industry’s other problems. But in the 3 years since the disaster, press coverage has slowed to a trickle, only 7 of the estimated 3500 factories in Bangladesh have actually completed necessary their corrective action plans, more than 40% of Bangladesh’s 3500 garment factories have seen no reform in any form— and the minimum wage, which the vast majority of Bangladeshi garment workers receive, is still only at one-fifth of a living wage. So you can’t help asking yourself, “How many Rana Plazas would we have to see before the industry really takes action?” That’s exactly why we started Responsibility in Fashion.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Regarding brands and the industry: We know that nothing is going to change in the industry until people start doing something… and they can’t do anything unless they know what to do. So, addressing that issue became our first program. We heard the same question asked at every lecture, talk, and panel discussion we went to— “Where do we go for basic information on how to start?” And every time, at every event, the question was answered with basically a shoulder-shrug. So that became our first initiative— to create our Responsibility Toolkit, with essential information, resources and steps. Now, there’s a place on the internet where the entire industry can get the basic information they need, links to resources, organizations and consultants and steps, free of charge, no matter their financial means.
Next, we’re working on several programs— one with the CFDA/Lexus Fashion Initiative to reduce the waste and improve the responsibility of retail packaging, and we’re starting a collaboration program with the NYU Stern School of Business on a press and outreach program.
Regarding consumers: we’re on that— We have the beginnings of a great solution for helping to empower responsible brands that want to connect with consumers.
The sister of the one of the many victims of the Rana Plaza disaster who’s bodies were never recovered, who still frequent the site hoping to get information — and one of the thousands of fashion labels that still litter the site. Rana Plaza Disaster Site, Savar, Bangladesh. Photo: Robert Bergmann
Any other work at this time?
I’m the creative director of my design firm MPAKT and I’m also in the process of starting a home and personal care brand.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Check out our Network of Industry Thought Leaders. Basically leaders in the sector.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
Through our website.
What seems like the greatest struggle in business for you?
Finding enough time in a day to get everything done.
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Internationally renowned healthcare, it is a privilege and right Canadian citizens take for granted in many instances. In the province of British Columbia, the government stands for a secular province.
The control of public health care facilities, and the funding for those facilities, are to be grounded in a secular foundation. Many public health care providers are religious at the root.
Based on beliefs systems coming from “holy scripture” and religious authorities, at times, the religious publicly funded health care providers will refuse provisions of reproductive, end of life, and some other medical services.
For example, in British Columbia, there are eight publicly funded hospitals administered by Roman Catholic Church bodies. About 1/3 of all hospitals in Ontario are administered by the Roman Catholic Church.
The morning after pill is not even available in Catholic hospitals as well as outright refusal for ectopic pregnancies in an emergency situation, which is typically an emergency. Registered nurses and medical doctors have to sign an agreement that they will follow the tenants of the faith or religion of the hospital, too.
This must stop.
A secular health care system for all will satisfy the need for safe and equitable access to healthcare services, where the secular can choose to access things such as the morning after pill and end-of-life services; and those that have religious tenets against them do not have to. This is the only fair basis for a secular healthcare system for all.
to sign this petition, please visit https://www.change.org/p/honourable-adrian-dix-secular health-care-in-bc
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The Government of British Colombia has worked to act according to the principle of “public money for public schools, private money for private schools” for the province. There is a petition in order to urge the British Colombia government to continue to enact this policy (Center for Inquiry Canada, 2017).
That is, the cessation of the provision of funding for independent schools in addition to an amendment to the Independent Schools Act (Government of British Columbia, 2017).
For separate and independent schools in a democratic society to exist, whether by class, socioeconomic status, or religion, these undermine the very principles upon which the province of British Columbia and the country of Canada stand with respect to democratic values.
This petition is a public call for the re-instantiation of the democratic values this country upholds. This recent policy undermines and harms the public school system. This petition is a call to change that.
To sign this petition, please visit https://www.change.org/p/honourable-rob-fleming-public money-for-public-schools-in-bc
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The Centre for Inquiry has a new branch in Victoria, BC. The members there have started two on-line petitions, calling for an end to special treatment for religion in the provincial school system and healthcare system.
Petition for a secular school system: https://www.change.org/p/honourable-rob-fleming-public money-for-public-schools-in-bc
Petition for secular healthcare: https://www.change.org/p/honourable-adrian-dix-secular-health care-in-bc
Everyone is invited to sign the petitions to show their support, whether or not they are residents of British Columbia.
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One of the most peculiar, and comprehensible, sources of moral opprobrium throughout human history is sex and sexuality, especially as regards female sexual functions and sexual pleasure. In Indonesia, the case remains much the same as in other parts of human history. Perhaps this can be seen as history as usual with an Indonesian flavour.
According to CTV News , Indonesia is hard at work trying to ban gay and premarital sex so as to reinvigorate the historical trend of condemnation of non-religiously sanctified sexuality and non-heterosexual sexuality. It’s important to note, as many of you probably know, Indonesia is the country with the largest Muslim population. Andreas Harsono, senior Indonesia researcher at Human Rights Watch, said, “Indonesia’s draft criminal code is disastrous not only for women and religious and gender minorities, but for all Indonesians.”
Al Jazeera described the nature of the proposed bill as implying that those who have extramarital and premarital sex could face a sentence of six to 12 months’ imprisonment. The president of Indonesia, Joko Widodo, thinks the proposed bill should have more review. Public outcry over the new penal code created the basis for Widodo proposing the delay of the parliamentary vote.
“ After hearing from various groups with objections to aspects of the law, I’ve decided that some of it needs further deliberation… The justice minister has been told to convey my views to parliament and that ratification of the criminal code should be postponed and not passed,” Widodo said in a televised press briefing.
Penalties under the proposed additions to the law could also be given for insulting the dignity of the president, for offering or even simply showing contraception to minors (those under the age of 18), and could also include four years in jail for an illegal abortion “in the absence of a medical emergency or rape.”
Papang Hidayat, Amnesty International Indonesia’s Research Manager, stated , “This is a setback… Religious values as a source of lawmaking has now reached the national level — that’s worrying.”
This article appears in the April 2020 version of Critical Links.
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There have been some recent reports about the possibility of life on Venus. Is this an empirically verified or confirmed assertion from some recent news reportage? First things first: definitions. The question is not necessarily, “What is life?”, but rather, who studies that which has been defined as “life” on planets other than Earth? Those folks are called astrobiologists.
Astrobiologists have looked for Earth-like planets as obvious life-harbouring candidates because the form of “life” as we know it comes from Earth. However, astrobiologists have also been working for some time on hypothetical scenarios outside of the N of 1 seen in the carbon-based life on Earth. Recent reports seem to suggest that there is a potential signature of life on Venus, our very non-Earth-like neighbour.
The key points of the reports, including those in Scientific American, centre on the detection of phosphine, “at an altitude where temperatures and pressures are similar to those here on Earth at sea level.” A detection of phosphine means a potential “biosignature,” literally a “signature of life.”
The alternative is an “exotic” chemical reaction mimicking the signifiers of life without, in fact, originating from the processes of some form of microbes. After some preliminary research, Jane Greaves, an astronomer at the University of Cardiff in the U.K., and colleagues found more phosphine than expected, supporting the case for life on Venus.
Is there life on Venus? Maybe. Pete Worden, executive director of the nonprofit Breakthrough Initiatives, said, “We have what could be a biosignature, and a plausible story about how it got there… The next step is to do the basic science needed to thoroughly investigate the evidence and consider how best to confirm and expand on the possibility of life.”
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As of as of October 25, 2020, over 9.6 million Canadians have been tested for the coronavirus with over 216,000 cases, over 24,700 active cases, and 9,900 deaths (data from the Government of Canada). Everyone knows the general recommendations coming from the Canadian Government, from their health authorities, and… from their grandmothers — i.e., wear a mask, wash your hands, physically distance at least 2 metres (6 feet) or more, etc.
This article focuses less on the obvious and more on the interesting myths, which have arisen in the time of the coronavirus. These resources come more comprehensively from the World Health Organization. There was misinformation about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine for helping clinically with COVID-19. It does not. It helps with “malaria, lupus erythematosus, and rheumatoid arthritis.” Current evidence suggests the drug does not reduce deaths of hospitalized COVID-19 patients.
COVID-19, the disease, is caused by a virus (SARS-CoV-2), and not by a bacterium. It is part of the Coronaviridae family of viruses. This means antibiotics do not work for COVID-19, because antibiotics do not work against viruses. Antibiotics can be recommended by a provider of healthcare if some complications involve a bacterial infection alongsideCOVID-19. No current drugs have been licensed as effective in prevention or treatment of COVID-19.
The World Health Organization states, “The prolonged use of medical masks can be uncomfortable. However, it does not lead to CO2 intoxication nor oxygen deficiency. While wearing a medical mask, make sure it fits properly and that it is tight enough to allow you to breathe normally. Do not re-use a disposable mask and always change it as soon as it gets damp.” (However, for people wearing disposable masks in low risk environments, it is reasonable to reuse them until they are no longer functional.)
An important fact about COVID-19, as indicated by the above-mentioned statistics from the Government of Canada: Many die, but most patients of COVID-19 recover. Here’s a fact, too: Drinking alcohol does not, in any way, protect from COVID-19. It, in fact, can be dangerous: The stuff we drink isn’t strong enough to kill the virus, and the stuff that kills the virus can kill us if we drink it.
This one was simply too odd when I came across it. Some think COVID-19 can be spread via houseflies. There is no evidence to suggest this, at this time. It cannot be spread by mosquito bites either. Cold weather and snow don’t kill it; hot baths don’t prevent it; hot and humid climates don’t kill COVID-19. Exposure to the sun or 25-degree Celsius weather will not protect from COVID-19. Bleach taken orally — and, presumably, rectally/anally — will not cure COVID-19. It is “extremely dangerous.” (Only attempt if you intend candidacy for a Darwin Award.)
“Do not under any circumstance spray or introduce bleach or any other disinfectant into your body. These substances can be poisonous if ingested and cause irritation and damage to your skin and eyes,” the World Health Organization warned. “Bleach and disinfectant should be used carefully to disinfect surfaces only. Remember to keep chlorine (bleach) and other disinfectants out of reach of children.”
Mainly, as the fact of the matter, COVID-19 spreads via droplets from coughing, sneezing, and speaking. It can also spread from touching surfaces that are contaminated before someone then touches their eyes, nose, or mouth.
Lastly, there are no known mechanisms by which 5G mobile networks spread COVID-19.
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If you want to murder someone with an illegitimate excuse, then a decent manner in which to do so is the excuse of the State, as such, whether secular-authoritarian or theocratic.
Navid Afkari was executed. Afkari was a wrestler accused of murder who had “international appeals for him to be spared.” In the midst of anti-government protests in 2018, he was accused of killing a security guard. Amnesty International considered the “secret” execution a “travesty of justice.”
Amnesty International reported, “Before his secret execution Navid Afkari, 27, was subjected to a shocking catalogue of human rights violations and crimes, including enforced disappearance; torture and other ill-treatment, leading to forced ‘confessions’; and denial of access to a lawyer and other fair trial guarantees.”
Afkari was searching for an opportunity to have a “fair trial” to “prove his innocence,” according to Diana Eltahawy, Amnesty International’s Deputy Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa. Afkari argued that he was tortured into making a confession. Afkari said, “If I am executed, I want you to know that an innocent person, even though he tried and fought with all his strength to be heard, was executed.”
He was hanged in the southern city of Shiraz. Afkari was prevented from seeing family before his death, his lawyer said. The World Players Association (WPA), which represents 85,000 athletes around the globe, called for a stop to the execution, deeming Afkari “unjustly targeted.” The WPA argues the targeting was based on anti-government protest participation. They further argued, before the execution of Afkari on September 12, that Iran should be expelled from world sport.
“Given the impunity which prevails in Iran, we urge the international community, including UN human rights bodies and EU member states, to take strong action through public and private interventions,” stated Eltahaway. “We deplore the Iranian authorities’ repeated use of the death penalty, which has earned it the shameful status of consistently being among the world’s most prolific executioners. There is no justification for the death penalty, which is the ultimate cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment, and we urge the Iranian authorities to abolish it.”
There were calls in support of the late wrestler before and after the execution from American President Donald Trump and the International Olympic Committee, and others on social media. The punishments by the Iranian regime extended to Navid’s brothers, Vahid and Habib, with 57 years in prison and 27 years in prison, respectively, “in the same case.” This is according to various human rights activists in the country, as reported by the BBC.
Thus, this mid-September, Iran lost a national wrestling champion due to an execution by state authorities.
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Women around the world have been increasingly vocal, alongside many men, and rightfully so, about the injustices they face. Often, it comes tied to some theocratic leader or political ideology bent on suppression of equal rights for women. All the while giving airy, arid, and empty statements about the equality of women, while lacking the substance to show for all the bluster (and blunder).
#WhiteWednesday or White Wednesday is one such manner of public protest. The founder of My Stealthy Freedom, Masih Alinejad, began White Wednesday in May of 2017. My Stealthy Freedom began on May 5 of 2014. In this, #WhiteWednesday is connected to My Stealthy Freedom as one of its outgrowths. Both are forms of public protest against the compulsory hijab law in Iran. Its surface manifestation is in the presentation of white headscarves or white pieces of cloth.
Before the 1979 Islamic revolution, many Iranian women wore clothing in the Western style of the time. However, with the imposition of Ayatollah Khomeini, as reported by the BBC in 2017, “Women were not only forced to cover their hair in line with a strict interpretation of Islamic law on modesty, but also to stop using make-up and to start wearing knee-length manteaus. More than 100,000 women and men took to the streets to protest against the law in 1979, and opposition to it has never gone away.”
Since May of 2014, women have been submitting photos and videos of defiance against the theocratic and rather patriarchal structures in Iran without the head coverings, women taking control of their individual lives, expressing solidarity in media to one another, and, in turn, inspiring other women too. In 2017, Alinejad said, “When I expressed my concern about [one contributor’s] safety, she replied that she would rather jeopardize her job than continue living under this oppression that the Iranian women have endured for the last 38 years.”
It has affected the cultures of other countries too. Even in Afghanistan or other countries where it is not mandatory in accordance with the law to wear a headscarf, many women and girls can be forced to wear one within the family. As you can see, the main point is about the individual freedom of choice of the woman to wear the headscarf, or not, rather than the headscarf itself, which becomes an imposition either by law or by familial bond(age) bound to custom.
As the White Wednesday campaign continues as an extension of My Stealthy Freedom, we can support those efforts in solidarity, as the rights for some already won are merely starting to be won by others.
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Some marked moments of science show the true beauty of international collaboration through looking upward to the sky and outward from ourselves, especially in empirical evidence showing things previously only imagined. Recently, there was some news as to the nature of the most powerful gravitational wells in the universe: black holes. In a distant galaxy, at its center, there sits a gigantic black hole 40,000,000,000 kilometres across. It was photographed with a “network of eight telescopes across the world.” The details of the photography were published in The Astrophysical Journal Letters.
The network of telescopes is collectively called the Event Horizon Telescope or EHT. The original experiment was proposed by Professor Heino Falcke of Radboud University (Netherlands). The galaxy for this monstrous black hole is M87. Falcke said, “What we see is larger than the size of our entire Solar System… It has a mass 6.5 billion times that of the Sun. And it is one of the heaviest black holes that we think exists. It is an absolute monster, the heavyweight champion of black holes in the Universe.”
Prominent in the image is what one might describe as a ring of fire surrounding the circularity of the black hole. This halo surrounding the black hole is caused by gas becoming superheated and falling into M87’s black hole. The light from the bright halo surrounding the central galactic black hole of M87 is “brighter than all the billions of other stars in the galaxy combined.” This brightness permits ease of visibility to the EHT.
The point where the inner edge of the bright halo becomes dark — this is when the superheated gas enters the black hole. “Although they are relatively simple objects, black holes raise some of the most complex questions about the nature of space and time, and ultimately of our existence… It is remarkable that the image we observe is so similar to that which we obtain from our theoretical calculations. So far, it looks like Einstein is correct once again,” Dr. Ziri Younsi of University College London stated.
The reason for the darkness on the outer circular edge of the halo comes from the lack of light emitted for sufficient brightness to be picked up by the EHT. The inner edge becomes dark because the light from the superheated gas cannot escape the M87 black hole, or any black hole for that matter, because a “black hole is a region of space[-time] from which nothing, not even light, can escape.” The black hole itself is unseen because the photons emitted by the superheated gas, which provide light for sight, become trapped and thus unseen in the gravitational well.
As stated by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory at the California Institute of Technology, “Learning about mysterious structures in the universe provides insight into physics and allows us to test observation methods and theories, such as Einstein’s theory of general relativity. Massive objects deform spacetime in their vicinity, and although the theory of general relativity has directly been proven accurate for smaller-mass objects, such as Earth and the Sun, the theory has not yet been directly proven for black holes and other regions containing dense matter.”
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“If anyone in this audience believes God made his body and your body is dirty, the fault lies with the manufacturer.”
—Lenny Bruce
Emerald Bensadoun in Global News published an article entitled “Canada just tabled legislation to ban conversion therapy. Why is it necessary in 2020?” It’s a good query. The more fundamental question is: “Was it ever necessary?” As it is not supported by scientific evidence, as Dr. Darrel Ray of the Secular Therapy Project and Recovering from Religion suggests, it might be better thought of as analogous to sex addiction.
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) is the standard by which mental disorders are catalogued and given proper psychological reference at this time. The latest edition was published in 2013. The sexual addiction label was rejected in 2013 in spite of the proposal for inclusion. The DSM-5 does not incorporate “sex addict” or “sexual addiction.” Thus, as Dr. Ray noted to me, his idea of sexual addiction is as a theological construct within Christian counselling, presented as if it were a psychological construct.
“There’s tons of evidence that the most religious people self-identify the most as ‘sex addicts.’ Not to mind, there is no such thing as sex addiction. There’s no way to define it. I have argued with atheists that have been atheists for 20 years who say that they are sex addicts. Help me understand, how did you get that diagnosis? I do not care if you look at porn once or twice an hour. You are still not a sex addict. So, get over that.” He further stated, “You may have other issues. You may have some compulsions. You may have some fear of driving the issue. But it almost always comes down to early childhood religious training… Sometimes, you can go an entire lifetime with a guilt, a shame, a fear, rooted in religion.”
When I reflect on the literal non-sense, lack of sense, or empirical evidence, for conversion therapy, it breaks my heart. Why should non-heterosexual peoples have to be subjected to the non-scientific whims of the popular religious culture or the sub-culture of the religious devoted to the immoral practice of conversion therapy? The Government of Canada introduced legislation for the amendment of the Criminal Code in order to ban conversion therapy, which becomes a victory for the LGBTI community in Canada, in part.
In fact, the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, David Lametti, stated, “Conversion therapy is a cruel practice that can lead to life-long trauma, particularly for young people… It sends a demeaning and degrading message… [and] is premised on a lie.” This is important in its being candid. This is a point of unification of purpose for both the scientific skeptic and the humanist communities based on their core values, because of the violation of proper science in therapeutic practice and the violation of fundamental human rights, respectively.
Five new offenses would be added to the Criminal Code, including “causing a minor to undergo conversion therapy, removing a minor from Canada to undergo conversion therapy abroad, causing a person to undergo conversion therapy against their will, profiting from providing conversion therapy and advertising an offer to provide conversion therapy,” according to Global News.
Bensadoun reported that the legislation would permit courts to seize advertisements of conversion therapy or to “order those who placed the advertisements to remove them.” This point may be contentious more than the others with freedom of expression and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Indeed, this has been a Liberal campaign promise. Their website states:
Conversion therapy is a scientifically discredited practice that targets vulnerable LGBTQ2 Canadians in an attempt to change their sexual orientation or gender identity. There is international consensus in the medical community that conversion therapy is not founded in science and does not work.
To ensure that no one is subjected to this practice, we will move forward on our promise to work with provinces and territories to end conversion therapy in Canada, including making amendments to the Criminal Code that will prohibit this harmful and scientifically disproven practice, especially against minors.
Ontario, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island have banned conversion therapy; in other provinces, Vancouver, Edmonton, and Calgary, have as well. Manitoba made a statementagainst the practice. Thusly, this is the tide of national history with much inertia, where the vector is more towards this federal ban rather than not.
It seems like no accident that one of the communities’ victims comes from Langley, British Columbia, Canada, in the article by Bensadoun, where the infamous fundamentalist Trinity Western University is hosted: the largest private university in Canada. One of the accounts is of “Canadian Harper Perrin, who staved off efforts to change their social orientation at a church in Langely [sic], B.C.” Perrin reported on the attempts to change the ways in which they “walked and talked, making them very mindful of their body and making sure they lived a ‘masculine expression.’”
All this is perfectly clownish and silly, and degrading, except for the fact that this is truly happening rather than in some comic book or piece of fiction. People who I know and love — and I’m sure for most of you reading this it’s the same context — are suffering and are being unduly discriminated against, based on false notions and quack practitioners of faith-driven non-science. Bensadoun stated, “Faith-based organizations like the Alliance for Therapeutic Choice and Scientific Integrity (formerly known as NARTH) still exist in Canada, and a majority of them have offices that operate in multiple provinces. It provides ‘Sexual Attraction Fluidity Exploration in Therapy,’ ironically abbreviated ‘SAFE-T.’”
In some other previous interviews, I have come across the stories of suffering, sometimes of triumph. Take, for example, the case of Peter Gajdics who is an award-winning writer I interviewed in 2018. He published The Inheritance of Shame: A Memoir in May of 2017. His triumph came from publicly speaking a truth deemed uncomfortable. It probably saved his life. He was subdued and subjected to a 6-year ordeal of conversion therapy. Vancouver City banned it; British Columbia did not.
Gajdics provided a succinct statement as to the ideational constructs undergirding conversion therapy and its associated falsities:
“Conversion therapy,” also known as “reparative therapy” or even “sexual orientation change efforts” (SOCE), really took hold in direct response to the burgeoning gay rights movement of the early 1970’s, particularly after the American Psychiatric Association’s 1973 decision to declassify homosexuality from its list of mental disorders in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. As gay liberation exploded over the next several years and gay people carved out their own place in history, taking great strides toward visibility and self-worth, in some cases legal vindication, the religious right advanced its own ideology of being “ex-gay” — that it was possible to sort of “pray away the gay.” Personally, I don’t really like this term, “pray away the gay,” since I think it reduces what is actually a traumatic experience to the sound of a joke, and the process of attempting to strip away a person’s core self and “convert” them into something that they’re not is anything but humorous: lives have been destroyed and even lost in the name of this kind of ignorance and outright hatred. Ultimately, there was nothing new to any of this; what we call “homosexuals” or even “gay” people today have been victims to all sorts of strange methods and ideologies to help “change” them, or at least to help conceal them, over the centuries. In the 20th century alone we’ve seen aversion therapy, castrations and lobotomies, inhumane use of psychotropics, and of course forced psychoanalysis as a common “cure.”
“Inhumane” seems like the coda to this long, long history of injustices carried forward by faith-based standards of thoughts and cultural thrust. Bensadoun’s article covers some more cases and organizations relevant to this subject matter for those interested. Canada, if it moves forward with the transition of the bill into a law, can become a comprehensive and progressive global leader in these efforts of the advancement of empirically informed public policy and the protection of the fundamental human rights of LGBTI people in our society.
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I was a religious zealot that hurt people. People said they attempted suicide over me and the things I said to them. People, I know, are in therapy because of me. Why would I want that to continue?— McKrae Game
When irony strikes in life, it can strike while the metal is hot, for the betterment of the rights of the accused, and to the advancement of a culture of critical thinking. Mahita Gajanan in Time described the story of McKrae Game who is a former conversion therapy advocate.
Game founded a South Carolina conversion therapy program. He is its former leader. Former because he came out of the closet; he’s gay. At 51, Game came out two years after being fired by the Hope for Wholeness program, which was founded in 1999. The explicit and sole purpose of the conversion therapy program founded by Game was to rid non-heterosexual people of their sexual orientation identity, which comes with the hidden premise of this as a lifestyle or not something innate to the human being.
This can be all fun and games to popular freethought groups. However, as noted by Game, these institutions, religious orientations, ideological backings, individual biases, and the like, lead to people attempting suicide based on “things… said to them” or enter into “therapy” because of it. People die because of this garbage. That’s why it matters to speak frankly and to act forcefully against it. I’m certain many people reading this are sick of hearing about it, maybe even know individuals in their lives impacted by it.
Game, in an article by the Post and Courier, said, “Conversion therapy is not just a lie, but it’s very harmful… Because it’s false advertising.” In the course of the career for Hope for Wholeness, he talked about sexual attraction to men while struggling with gay pornography. In November, 2017, he was fired. Game argues the pornography was the reason for the firing. He was “devastated” and “humiliated.” Mental health trauma and thoughts of suicide are linked to “attempts at changing a sexual orientation or gender identity.” Approximately 700,000 LGBTQ adults in the United States have received the discredited practice, based on the Williams Institute published in 2018.
The American Medical Association and American Psychological Association discredit conversion therapy; therefore, conversion therapy is not, by definitional status of two legitimate organizations, a therapy, and does not, in fact, convert. Its title does nothing of the former and fails legitimacy tests on the latter.
Bill C-6 has been introduced in Canada to ban conversion therapy, with particular attention to protecting minors.
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GAMAAN — the Group for Analyzing and Measuring Attitudes in Iran — conducted a survey on the attitudes of Iranians towards religion. It was done between June 6th and 21st of 2020. Over 50,000 respondents took part in the survey.
Respondents were based out of Iran mostly (about 90 percent), literate, and above the age of 19, while having “95% credibility level and credibility intervals of 5%” for the survey. Looking at religion taps into some associated political concepts. One of the more presumptuous ideas about Iran is that it is entirely a nation of people who believe in a supernatural, governing, designing, and maintaining, entity: God.
Seventy-eight percent of Iranians believe in God, with less than half of that believing in an afterlife (37%), heaven and hell (30%), jinns (26%), and a coming saviour (26%). Twenty percent do not believe in a God, an afterlife, heaven and hell, jinns, and a coming saviour. Sixty percent of Iranians report not praying, and 40 percent vary in their frequency (devotion) to the level of praying, “among whom over 27% reported praying five times a day.”
GAMAAN reported, “While 32% of the population identifies as Shi’ite Muslim, around 9% identify as atheist, 8% as Zoroastrian, 7% as spiritual, 6% as agnostic, and 5% as Sunni Muslim. Others stated that they identify with or follow Sufi mysticism, humanism, Christianity, the Baha’i faith, or Judaism, among other worldviews. Around 22% identified with none of the above.”
Indeed, half of Iranians, based on the survey, report losing religion from personal life. Forty-one percent report their religious beliefs were stable throughout their lives, while six percent changed “from one religious orientation to another.” About 6 in 10 Iranians come from a family who were religious believers in God and approximately 3 in 10 have a believing but not religious family. Less than 3 in 100 (not a typo) grow up or are raised in an anti-religious home.
Sixty-eight percent believe that religious prescriptions should be separate from state legislation; secularism appears as a fundamental desire to most Iranians. Only 14 percent think the laws of the country should be governing religious prescriptions, in “accord” with one another. Further, “71% hold the opinion that religious institutions should be responsible for their own funding. On the other hand, 10% think that all religious organizations, irrespective of their faith, should receive government support, while over 3% say only Islamic institutions are entitled to such benefits,” GAMAAN stated.
Around 4 in 10 Iranians believe religions should have the right to proselytize with only four percent believing in the exclusive right for Muslims. Another approximately 4 in 10 believed in a blank ban on religious proselytizing across the board. Fifty-six percent wanted secular education or did not want their children to have religious education. As GAMAAN reports, “58% said they do not believe in the hijab (Islamic veil covering the hair) altogether. Around 72% opposed the compulsory hijab, while 15% insist on the legal obligation to wear the hijab in public.”
To the nightlife and drinking culture of Iran, there is “legally enforced alcohol temperance.” However, thirty-five percent of Iranians drink “occasionally or regularly” and 56 percent do not drink alcohol at all.
Check out the full report here.
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The movement for human rights continues in an asynchronous and bumpy progression forward more than backward. In this progression, we can see regional and national differences. Some regions regress while others progress; same for nations. One of the more noteworthy cases is the increase in equal rights for the LGBTQ community. (Note: The UN has an LGBTI Core Group , so the international human rights body’s language will be used here.) Asia has had some progression in the human rights sphere here.
Taiwanese society and culture became an important, and in fact unprecedented, example of the advancement of the rights of the LGBTQ community. Taiwan was the first country in Asia to legalize same-sex marriage . In 2017, the constitutional court of the island ruled that the prohibition against same-sex couples marrying amounted to a violation of equal rights and personal freedom. The sexual orientation of individual Taiwanese citizens was ruled an innate or “immutable characteristic that is resistant to change.”
The President of Taiwan, Tsai Ing-wen, requested the Ministry of Justice develop a legal framework in light of the changes in 2017. Three bills were passed in 2019 with majority support by the leading Democratic Progressive Party of Taiwan. The most progressive bill was approved by a 66 to 27 majority. Of the three bills, it was the only one using the term “marriage” in response to same-sex partnerships or relationships.
This bill was part of the political campaigning platform of 2016. President Ing-wen pulled through for the LGBTQ community in Taiwan, set an example for the Asian region, and promoted — without this terminology — humanist and humanistic values, and human rights for a traditionally ill-treated collective: lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people. Ing-wen tweeted, “Good morning Taiwan. Today, we have a chance to make history & show the world that progressive values can take root in an East Asian society. Today, we can show the world that #LoveWins.”
The bills went into effect on May 24, 2019.
This article appears in the February 2020 version of Critical Links.
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Canadian society, since its inception, has placed faith-based organizations or religious institutions on a privileged or special pedestal, where the emphasis existed on the dominant Christian religion and the domineering denomination of Roman Catholicism followed by Protestantism. If you’re looking to question this dominant position and fundamental tenets in a critical manner, then you should be ready for predictable backlash and other consequences. These questions, of course, have been asked of the Christian faith in Canada over and over. Slowly and in increments — generation by generation — the hold of Christianity on the culture has attenuated.
Pew Research, on July 27, 2013, wrote, “Canada’s Changing Religious Landscape,” explaining an ongoing trend of the decline of religion in Canada. People question quietly; leave churches; and become more open in freethought and naturalistic perspectives on the world. The Globe and Mail describes this, rather dramatically, as a “battle for Christianity in Canada,” as if reading Professor Kenneth Miller’s argument for the “battle for America’s soul.”
Nonetheless, the numbers tell the tale of a decline in the amount of believers in Canadian society as a proportion of Canadian citizenry. In fact, one of the stabilization forces for the numbers of faithful citizens in Canada, in spite of the declines, comes from the immigration of more religious people. In fact, in Christianity Today, Gary Nelson, President and CEO of Tyndale University College and Seminary in Toronto, said that churches need to reintroduce themselves “as a place, as a possibility, and as a neighborhood impact, as opposed to a place people ‘attend’ or ‘go.’ ”
This attempt to rebrand stems from a worrisome decline in church numbers, leading to burdensome costs for maintenance. Over time, fewer Canadian dollars in the collection plates, and rising prices on fixing old buildings, forces churches to close down. The issue is finances and economics, spurred by what seems to be a lowering of religious devotion.
In the next decade, the projection is that 9,000 churches will close because of the two-factor problem of fewer believers and rising costs. “As of 2009, there were 27,601 buildings for worship, training or promotion owned by religious organizations in Canada, a statistic found buried inside a Natural Resources Canada energy audit.” This places the 9,000 as an important comparative number.
From a centuries-long perspective of the narrative of Canadian history, we live in the midst of a phase change in Canadian religious life and demographics with consequences for all facets of Canadian culture and political life because religion, Christian religion, “since its inception,” has pervaded every facet of the country.
Times they change.
This article appears in the March 2020 version of Critical Links.
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Human rights violations and breaches of secularism and international law on small scales remain problems. Violations on large scales inflicted wholesale upon victimized and, often, defenceless peoples is tragic, violent, and immediate, even spanning decades into long-term effects of the entire lives of most of the survivors. They may never return to some semblance of normalcy in the dark and bloody tragedy brought forth from war. I see no reason to prevaricate here: people-groups at immediate risk of death, individually and collectively.
One such case in the current moment is the Rohingya, a Muslim minority with a millennia-long history in Myanmar. As Radio Free Asia has reported about the plight of this minority, “Thousands of members of the group were killed during the violence, and more than 740,000 others escaped across the border, where they now live in sprawling displacement camps in southeastern Bangladesh.” Six thousand refugees exist in a “no-man’s land” between Bangladesh and Myanmar.
The Rohingya amount to an in-between ethnic and religious minority with nowhere to call home now. External support structures can help them. In fact, they exist in large numbers. No matter the good principles, reportage, calls to action, and acts of large NGOs and INGOs, and the largest bureaucratic organization in the world, the United Nations (UN), they are big and unwieldy enough to make mistakes.
Human Rights Watch has called for the end of arbitrary travel and other restrictions on the Rohingya. The Rohingya refugees have been facing difficulties after returning to Myanmar. Important as a backdrop, hundreds of thousands of Rohingya left Myanmar. It is based on a military crackdown on the Rakhine state. These are real victims forced to flee life-threatening circumstances.
As Al-Jazeera has reported, “For the first time, they were meeting representatives from the UN and international NGOs tasked with providing education to about half a million Rohingya refugee children living in camps in Cox’s Bazar, Bangladesh. Minutes of the meeting obtained by Al Jazeera, show how the community leaders questioned the officials about the slow effort to give refugees formal education, the absence of a Myanmar curriculum in the camps, and the lack of consultation with the community.”
Some are asking serious questions about the lack of access to education. Typically, the idea is to provide an education bound to the nationality of the group, of the refugees. This means an education that the Rohingya could have expected in Rakhine state or in Myanmar as a whole. With some of this botched by the UN and other organizations, this is where there are serious questions asked of the UN and other organizations about failures in the implementation of the aforementioned principles of the organizations, as human institutions and then answering for the failures.
The problem with these refugees is threefold: the fleeing from military enforcement, the size of them in the hundreds of thousands, and the denial of the fundamental human rights as citizens, as Muslims, and as human beings. The pain and suffering from ethnic and religious persecution need to be heard.
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There have been some recent reports about the possibility of life on Venus. Is this an empirically verified or confirmed assertion from some recent news reportage? First things first: definitions. The question is not necessarily, “What is life?”, but rather, who studies that which has been defined as “life” on planets other than Earth? Those folks are called astrobiologists.
Astrobiologists have looked for Earth-like planets as obvious life-harbouring candidates because the form of “life” as we know it comes from Earth. However, astrobiologists have also been working for some time on hypothetical scenarios outside of the N of 1 seen in the carbon-based life on Earth. Recent reports seem to suggest that there is a potential signature of life on Venus, our very non-Earth-like neighbour.
The key points of the reports, including those in Scientific American, centre on the detection of phosphine, “at an altitude where temperatures and pressures are similar to those here on Earth at sea level.” A detection of phosphine means a potential “biosignature,” literally a “signature of life.”
The alternative is an “exotic” chemical reaction mimicking the signifiers of life without, in fact, originating from the processes of some form of microbes. After some preliminary research, Jane Greaves, an astronomer at the University of Cardiff in the U.K., and colleagues found more phosphine than expected, supporting the case for life on Venus.
Is there life on Venus? Maybe. Pete Worden, executive director of the nonprofit Breakthrough Initiatives, said, “We have what could be a biosignature, and a plausible story about how it got there… The next step is to do the basic science needed to thoroughly investigate the evidence and consider how best to confirm and expand on the possibility of life.”
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As of as of October 25, 2020, over 9.6 million Canadians have been tested for the coronavirus with over 216,000 cases, over 24,700 active cases, and 9,900 deaths (data from the Government of Canada). Everyone knows the general recommendations coming from the Canadian Government, from their health authorities, and… from their grandmothers — i.e., wear a mask, wash your hands, physically distance at least 2 metres (6 feet) or more, etc.
This article focuses less on the obvious and more on the interesting myths, which have arisen in the time of the coronavirus. These resources come more comprehensively from the World Health Organization. There was misinformation about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine for helping clinically with COVID-19. It does not. It helps with “malaria, lupus erythematosus, and rheumatoid arthritis.” Current evidence suggests the drug does not reduce deaths of hospitalized COVID-19 patients.
COVID-19, the disease, is caused by a virus (SARS-CoV-2), and not by a bacterium. It is part of the Coronaviridae family of viruses. This means antibiotics do not work for COVID-19, because antibiotics do not work against viruses. Antibiotics can be recommended by a provider of healthcare if some complications involve a bacterial infection alongsideCOVID-19. No current drugs have been licensed as effective in prevention or treatment of COVID-19.
The World Health Organization states, “The prolonged use of medical masks can be uncomfortable. However, it does not lead to CO2 intoxication nor oxygen deficiency. While wearing a medical mask, make sure it fits properly and that it is tight enough to allow you to breathe normally. Do not re-use a disposable mask and always change it as soon as it gets damp.” (However, for people wearing disposable masks in low risk environments, it is reasonable to reuse them until they are no longer functional.)
An important fact about COVID-19, as indicated by the above-mentioned statistics from the Government of Canada: Many die, but most patients of COVID-19 recover. Here’s a fact, too: Drinking alcohol does not, in any way, protect from COVID-19. It, in fact, can be dangerous: The stuff we drink isn’t strong enough to kill the virus, and the stuff that kills the virus can kill us if we drink it.
This one was simply too odd when I came across it. Some think COVID-19 can be spread via houseflies. There is no evidence to suggest this, at this time. It cannot be spread by mosquito bites either. Cold weather and snow don’t kill it; hot baths don’t prevent it; hot and humid climates don’t kill COVID-19. Exposure to the sun or 25-degree Celsius weather will not protect from COVID-19. Bleach taken orally — and, presumably, rectally/anally — will not cure COVID-19. It is “extremely dangerous.” (Only attempt if you intend candidacy for a Darwin Award.)
“Do not under any circumstance spray or introduce bleach or any other disinfectant into your body. These substances can be poisonous if ingested and cause irritation and damage to your skin and eyes,” the World Health Organization warned. “Bleach and disinfectant should be used carefully to disinfect surfaces only. Remember to keep chlorine (bleach) and other disinfectants out of reach of children.”
Mainly, as the fact of the matter, COVID-19 spreads via droplets from coughing, sneezing, and speaking. It can also spread from touching surfaces that are contaminated before someone then touches their eyes, nose, or mouth.
Lastly, there are no known mechanisms by which 5G mobile networks spread COVID-19.
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If you want to murder someone with an illegitimate excuse, then a decent manner in which to do so is the excuse of the State, as such, whether secular-authoritarian or theocratic.
Navid Afkari was executed. Afkari was a wrestler accused of murder who had “international appeals for him to be spared.” In the midst of anti-government protests in 2018, he was accused of killing a security guard. Amnesty International considered the “secret” execution a “travesty of justice.”
Amnesty International reported, “Before his secret execution Navid Afkari, 27, was subjected to a shocking catalogue of human rights violations and crimes, including enforced disappearance; torture and other ill-treatment, leading to forced ‘confessions’; and denial of access to a lawyer and other fair trial guarantees.”
Afkari was searching for an opportunity to have a “fair trial” to “prove his innocence,” according to Diana Eltahawy, Amnesty International’s Deputy Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa. Afkari argued that he was tortured into making a confession. Afkari said, “If I am executed, I want you to know that an innocent person, even though he tried and fought with all his strength to be heard, was executed.”
He was hanged in the southern city of Shiraz. Afkari was prevented from seeing family before his death, his lawyer said. The World Players Association (WPA), which represents 85,000 athletes around the globe, called for a stop to the execution, deeming Afkari “unjustly targeted.” The WPA argues the targeting was based on anti-government protest participation. They further argued, before the execution of Afkari on September 12, that Iran should be expelled from world sport.
“Given the impunity which prevails in Iran, we urge the international community, including UN human rights bodies and EU member states, to take strong action through public and private interventions,” stated Eltahaway. “We deplore the Iranian authorities’ repeated use of the death penalty, which has earned it the shameful status of consistently being among the world’s most prolific executioners. There is no justification for the death penalty, which is the ultimate cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment, and we urge the Iranian authorities to abolish it.”
There were calls in support of the late wrestler before and after the execution from American President Donald Trump and the International Olympic Committee, and others on social media. The punishments by the Iranian regime extended to Navid’s brothers, Vahid and Habib, with 57 years in prison and 27 years in prison, respectively, “in the same case.” This is according to various human rights activists in the country, as reported by the BBC.
Thus, this mid-September, Iran lost a national wrestling champion due to an execution by state authorities.
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Women around the world have been increasingly vocal, alongside many men, and rightfully so, about the injustices they face. Often, it comes tied to some theocratic leader or political ideology bent on suppression of equal rights for women. All the while giving airy, arid, and empty statements about the equality of women, while lacking the substance to show for all the bluster (and blunder).
#WhiteWednesday or White Wednesday is one such manner of public protest. The founder of My Stealthy Freedom, Masih Alinejad, began White Wednesday in May of 2017. My Stealthy Freedom began on May 5 of 2014. In this, #WhiteWednesday is connected to My Stealthy Freedom as one of its outgrowths. Both are forms of public protest against the compulsory hijab law in Iran. Its surface manifestation is in the presentation of white headscarves or white pieces of cloth.
Before the 1979 Islamic revolution, many Iranian women wore clothing in the Western style of the time. However, with the imposition of Ayatollah Khomeini, as reported by the BBC in 2017, “Women were not only forced to cover their hair in line with a strict interpretation of Islamic law on modesty, but also to stop using make-up and to start wearing knee-length manteaus. More than 100,000 women and men took to the streets to protest against the law in 1979, and opposition to it has never gone away.”
Since May of 2014, women have been submitting photos and videos of defiance against the theocratic and rather patriarchal structures in Iran without the head coverings, women taking control of their individual lives, expressing solidarity in media to one another, and, in turn, inspiring other women too. In 2017, Alinejad said, “When I expressed my concern about [one contributor’s] safety, she replied that she would rather jeopardize her job than continue living under this oppression that the Iranian women have endured for the last 38 years.”
It has affected the cultures of other countries too. Even in Afghanistan or other countries where it is not mandatory in accordance with the law to wear a headscarf, many women and girls can be forced to wear one within the family. As you can see, the main point is about the individual freedom of choice of the woman to wear the headscarf, or not, rather than the headscarf itself, which becomes an imposition either by law or by familial bond(age) bound to custom.
As the White Wednesday campaign continues as an extension of My Stealthy Freedom, we can support those efforts in solidarity, as the rights for some already won are merely starting to be won by others.
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Some marked moments of science show the true beauty of international collaboration through looking upward to the sky and outward from ourselves, especially in empirical evidence showing things previously only imagined. Recently, there was some news as to the nature of the most powerful gravitational wells in the universe: black holes. In a distant galaxy, at its center, there sits a gigantic black hole 40,000,000,000 kilometres across. It was photographed with a “network of eight telescopes across the world.” The details of the photography were published in The Astrophysical Journal Letters.
The network of telescopes is collectively called the Event Horizon Telescope or EHT. The original experiment was proposed by Professor Heino Falcke of Radboud University (Netherlands). The galaxy for this monstrous black hole is M87. Falcke said, “What we see is larger than the size of our entire Solar System… It has a mass 6.5 billion times that of the Sun. And it is one of the heaviest black holes that we think exists. It is an absolute monster, the heavyweight champion of black holes in the Universe.”
Prominent in the image is what one might describe as a ring of fire surrounding the circularity of the black hole. This halo surrounding the black hole is caused by gas becoming superheated and falling into M87’s black hole. The light from the bright halo surrounding the central galactic black hole of M87 is “brighter than all the billions of other stars in the galaxy combined.” This brightness permits ease of visibility to the EHT.
The point where the inner edge of the bright halo becomes dark — this is when the superheated gas enters the black hole. “Although they are relatively simple objects, black holes raise some of the most complex questions about the nature of space and time, and ultimately of our existence… It is remarkable that the image we observe is so similar to that which we obtain from our theoretical calculations. So far, it looks like Einstein is correct once again,” Dr. Ziri Younsi of University College London stated.
The reason for the darkness on the outer circular edge of the halo comes from the lack of light emitted for sufficient brightness to be picked up by the EHT. The inner edge becomes dark because the light from the superheated gas cannot escape the M87 black hole, or any black hole for that matter, because a “black hole is a region of space[-time] from which nothing, not even light, can escape.” The black hole itself is unseen because the photons emitted by the superheated gas, which provide light for sight, become trapped and thus unseen in the gravitational well.
As stated by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory at the California Institute of Technology, “Learning about mysterious structures in the universe provides insight into physics and allows us to test observation methods and theories, such as Einstein’s theory of general relativity. Massive objects deform spacetime in their vicinity, and although the theory of general relativity has directly been proven accurate for smaller-mass objects, such as Earth and the Sun, the theory has not yet been directly proven for black holes and other regions containing dense matter.”
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“If anyone in this audience believes God made his body and your body is dirty, the fault lies with the manufacturer.”
—Lenny Bruce
Emerald Bensadoun in Global News published an article entitled “Canada just tabled legislation to ban conversion therapy. Why is it necessary in 2020?” It’s a good query. The more fundamental question is: “Was it ever necessary?” As it is not supported by scientific evidence, as Dr. Darrel Ray of the Secular Therapy Project and Recovering from Religion suggests, it might be better thought of as analogous to sex addiction.
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) is the standard by which mental disorders are catalogued and given proper psychological reference at this time. The latest edition was published in 2013. The sexual addiction label was rejected in 2013 in spite of the proposal for inclusion. The DSM-5 does not incorporate “sex addict” or “sexual addiction.” Thus, as Dr. Ray noted to me, his idea of sexual addiction is as a theological construct within Christian counselling, presented as if it were a psychological construct.
“There’s tons of evidence that the most religious people self-identify the most as ‘sex addicts.’ Not to mind, there is no such thing as sex addiction. There’s no way to define it. I have argued with atheists that have been atheists for 20 years who say that they are sex addicts. Help me understand, how did you get that diagnosis? I do not care if you look at porn once or twice an hour. You are still not a sex addict. So, get over that.” He further stated, “You may have other issues. You may have some compulsions. You may have some fear of driving the issue. But it almost always comes down to early childhood religious training… Sometimes, you can go an entire lifetime with a guilt, a shame, a fear, rooted in religion.”
When I reflect on the literal non-sense, lack of sense, or empirical evidence, for conversion therapy, it breaks my heart. Why should non-heterosexual peoples have to be subjected to the non-scientific whims of the popular religious culture or the sub-culture of the religious devoted to the immoral practice of conversion therapy? The Government of Canada introduced legislation for the amendment of the Criminal Code in order to ban conversion therapy, which becomes a victory for the LGBTI community in Canada, in part.
In fact, the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, David Lametti, stated, “Conversion therapy is a cruel practice that can lead to life-long trauma, particularly for young people… It sends a demeaning and degrading message… [and] is premised on a lie.” This is important in its being candid. This is a point of unification of purpose for both the scientific skeptic and the humanist communities based on their core values, because of the violation of proper science in therapeutic practice and the violation of fundamental human rights, respectively.
Five new offenses would be added to the Criminal Code, including “causing a minor to undergo conversion therapy, removing a minor from Canada to undergo conversion therapy abroad, causing a person to undergo conversion therapy against their will, profiting from providing conversion therapy and advertising an offer to provide conversion therapy,” according to Global News.
Bensadoun reported that the legislation would permit courts to seize advertisements of conversion therapy or to “order those who placed the advertisements to remove them.” This point may be contentious more than the others with freedom of expression and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Indeed, this has been a Liberal campaign promise. Their website states:
Conversion therapy is a scientifically discredited practice that targets vulnerable LGBTQ2 Canadians in an attempt to change their sexual orientation or gender identity. There is international consensus in the medical community that conversion therapy is not founded in science and does not work.
To ensure that no one is subjected to this practice, we will move forward on our promise to work with provinces and territories to end conversion therapy in Canada, including making amendments to the Criminal Code that will prohibit this harmful and scientifically disproven practice, especially against minors.
Ontario, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island have banned conversion therapy; in other provinces, Vancouver, Edmonton, and Calgary, have as well. Manitoba made a statementagainst the practice. Thusly, this is the tide of national history with much inertia, where the vector is more towards this federal ban rather than not.
It seems like no accident that one of the communities’ victims comes from Langley, British Columbia, Canada, in the article by Bensadoun, where the infamous fundamentalist Trinity Western University is hosted: the largest private university in Canada. One of the accounts is of “Canadian Harper Perrin, who staved off efforts to change their social orientation at a church in Langely [sic], B.C.” Perrin reported on the attempts to change the ways in which they “walked and talked, making them very mindful of their body and making sure they lived a ‘masculine expression.’”
All this is perfectly clownish and silly, and degrading, except for the fact that this is truly happening rather than in some comic book or piece of fiction. People who I know and love — and I’m sure for most of you reading this it’s the same context — are suffering and are being unduly discriminated against, based on false notions and quack practitioners of faith-driven non-science. Bensadoun stated, “Faith-based organizations like the Alliance for Therapeutic Choice and Scientific Integrity (formerly known as NARTH) still exist in Canada, and a majority of them have offices that operate in multiple provinces. It provides ‘Sexual Attraction Fluidity Exploration in Therapy,’ ironically abbreviated ‘SAFE-T.’”
In some other previous interviews, I have come across the stories of suffering, sometimes of triumph. Take, for example, the case of Peter Gajdics who is an award-winning writer I interviewed in 2018. He published The Inheritance of Shame: A Memoir in May of 2017. His triumph came from publicly speaking a truth deemed uncomfortable. It probably saved his life. He was subdued and subjected to a 6-year ordeal of conversion therapy. Vancouver City banned it; British Columbia did not.
Gajdics provided a succinct statement as to the ideational constructs undergirding conversion therapy and its associated falsities:
“Conversion therapy,” also known as “reparative therapy” or even “sexual orientation change efforts” (SOCE), really took hold in direct response to the burgeoning gay rights movement of the early 1970’s, particularly after the American Psychiatric Association’s 1973 decision to declassify homosexuality from its list of mental disorders in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. As gay liberation exploded over the next several years and gay people carved out their own place in history, taking great strides toward visibility and self-worth, in some cases legal vindication, the religious right advanced its own ideology of being “ex-gay” — that it was possible to sort of “pray away the gay.” Personally, I don’t really like this term, “pray away the gay,” since I think it reduces what is actually a traumatic experience to the sound of a joke, and the process of attempting to strip away a person’s core self and “convert” them into something that they’re not is anything but humorous: lives have been destroyed and even lost in the name of this kind of ignorance and outright hatred. Ultimately, there was nothing new to any of this; what we call “homosexuals” or even “gay” people today have been victims to all sorts of strange methods and ideologies to help “change” them, or at least to help conceal them, over the centuries. In the 20th century alone we’ve seen aversion therapy, castrations and lobotomies, inhumane use of psychotropics, and of course forced psychoanalysis as a common “cure.”
“Inhumane” seems like the coda to this long, long history of injustices carried forward by faith-based standards of thoughts and cultural thrust. Bensadoun’s article covers some more cases and organizations relevant to this subject matter for those interested. Canada, if it moves forward with the transition of the bill into a law, can become a comprehensive and progressive global leader in these efforts of the advancement of empirically informed public policy and the protection of the fundamental human rights of LGBTI people in our society.
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I was a religious zealot that hurt people. People said they attempted suicide over me and the things I said to them. People, I know, are in therapy because of me. Why would I want that to continue?— McKrae Game
When irony strikes in life, it can strike while the metal is hot, for the betterment of the rights of the accused, and to the advancement of a culture of critical thinking. Mahita Gajanan in Time described the story of McKrae Game who is a former conversion therapy advocate.
Game founded a South Carolina conversion therapy program. He is its former leader. Former because he came out of the closet; he’s gay. At 51, Game came out two years after being fired by the Hope for Wholeness program, which was founded in 1999. The explicit and sole purpose of the conversion therapy program founded by Game was to rid non-heterosexual people of their sexual orientation identity, which comes with the hidden premise of this as a lifestyle or not something innate to the human being.
This can be all fun and games to popular freethought groups. However, as noted by Game, these institutions, religious orientations, ideological backings, individual biases, and the like, lead to people attempting suicide based on “things… said to them” or enter into “therapy” because of it. People die because of this garbage. That’s why it matters to speak frankly and to act forcefully against it. I’m certain many people reading this are sick of hearing about it, maybe even know individuals in their lives impacted by it.
Game, in an article by the Post and Courier, said, “Conversion therapy is not just a lie, but it’s very harmful… Because it’s false advertising.” In the course of the career for Hope for Wholeness, he talked about sexual attraction to men while struggling with gay pornography. In November, 2017, he was fired. Game argues the pornography was the reason for the firing. He was “devastated” and “humiliated.” Mental health trauma and thoughts of suicide are linked to “attempts at changing a sexual orientation or gender identity.” Approximately 700,000 LGBTQ adults in the United States have received the discredited practice, based on the Williams Institute published in 2018.
The American Medical Association and American Psychological Association discredit conversion therapy; therefore, conversion therapy is not, by definitional status of two legitimate organizations, a therapy, and does not, in fact, convert. Its title does nothing of the former and fails legitimacy tests on the latter.
Bill C-6 has been introduced in Canada to ban conversion therapy, with particular attention to protecting minors.
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GAMAAN — the Group for Analyzing and Measuring Attitudes in Iran — conducted a survey on the attitudes of Iranians towards religion. It was done between June 6th and 21st of 2020. Over 50,000 respondents took part in the survey.
Respondents were based out of Iran mostly (about 90 percent), literate, and above the age of 19, while having “95% credibility level and credibility intervals of 5%” for the survey. Looking at religion taps into some associated political concepts. One of the more presumptuous ideas about Iran is that it is entirely a nation of people who believe in a supernatural, governing, designing, and maintaining, entity: God.
Seventy-eight percent of Iranians believe in God, with less than half of that believing in an afterlife (37%), heaven and hell (30%), jinns (26%), and a coming saviour (26%). Twenty percent do not believe in a God, an afterlife, heaven and hell, jinns, and a coming saviour. Sixty percent of Iranians report not praying, and 40 percent vary in their frequency (devotion) to the level of praying, “among whom over 27% reported praying five times a day.”
GAMAAN reported, “While 32% of the population identifies as Shi’ite Muslim, around 9% identify as atheist, 8% as Zoroastrian, 7% as spiritual, 6% as agnostic, and 5% as Sunni Muslim. Others stated that they identify with or follow Sufi mysticism, humanism, Christianity, the Baha’i faith, or Judaism, among other worldviews. Around 22% identified with none of the above.”
Indeed, half of Iranians, based on the survey, report losing religion from personal life. Forty-one percent report their religious beliefs were stable throughout their lives, while six percent changed “from one religious orientation to another.” About 6 in 10 Iranians come from a family who were religious believers in God and approximately 3 in 10 have a believing but not religious family. Less than 3 in 100 (not a typo) grow up or are raised in an anti-religious home.
Sixty-eight percent believe that religious prescriptions should be separate from state legislation; secularism appears as a fundamental desire to most Iranians. Only 14 percent think the laws of the country should be governing religious prescriptions, in “accord” with one another. Further, “71% hold the opinion that religious institutions should be responsible for their own funding. On the other hand, 10% think that all religious organizations, irrespective of their faith, should receive government support, while over 3% say only Islamic institutions are entitled to such benefits,” GAMAAN stated.
Around 4 in 10 Iranians believe religions should have the right to proselytize with only four percent believing in the exclusive right for Muslims. Another approximately 4 in 10 believed in a blank ban on religious proselytizing across the board. Fifty-six percent wanted secular education or did not want their children to have religious education. As GAMAAN reports, “58% said they do not believe in the hijab (Islamic veil covering the hair) altogether. Around 72% opposed the compulsory hijab, while 15% insist on the legal obligation to wear the hijab in public.”
To the nightlife and drinking culture of Iran, there is “legally enforced alcohol temperance.” However, thirty-five percent of Iranians drink “occasionally or regularly” and 56 percent do not drink alcohol at all.
Check out the full report here.
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The movement for human rights continues in an asynchronous and bumpy progression forward more than backward. In this progression, we can see regional and national differences. Some regions regress while others progress; same for nations. One of the more noteworthy cases is the increase in equal rights for the LGBTQ community. (Note: The UN has an LGBTI Core Group , so the international human rights body’s language will be used here.) Asia has had some progression in the human rights sphere here.
Taiwanese society and culture became an important, and in fact unprecedented, example of the advancement of the rights of the LGBTQ community. Taiwan was the first country in Asia to legalize same-sex marriage . In 2017, the constitutional court of the island ruled that the prohibition against same-sex couples marrying amounted to a violation of equal rights and personal freedom. The sexual orientation of individual Taiwanese citizens was ruled an innate or “immutable characteristic that is resistant to change.”
The President of Taiwan, Tsai Ing-wen, requested the Ministry of Justice develop a legal framework in light of the changes in 2017. Three bills were passed in 2019 with majority support by the leading Democratic Progressive Party of Taiwan. The most progressive bill was approved by a 66 to 27 majority. Of the three bills, it was the only one using the term “marriage” in response to same-sex partnerships or relationships.
This bill was part of the political campaigning platform of 2016. President Ing-wen pulled through for the LGBTQ community in Taiwan, set an example for the Asian region, and promoted — without this terminology — humanist and humanistic values, and human rights for a traditionally ill-treated collective: lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people. Ing-wen tweeted, “Good morning Taiwan. Today, we have a chance to make history & show the world that progressive values can take root in an East Asian society. Today, we can show the world that #LoveWins.”
The bills went into effect on May 24, 2019.
This article appears in the February 2020 version of Critical Links.
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Canadian society, since its inception, has placed faith-based organizations or religious institutions on a privileged or special pedestal, where the emphasis existed on the dominant Christian religion and the domineering denomination of Roman Catholicism followed by Protestantism. If you’re looking to question this dominant position and fundamental tenets in a critical manner, then you should be ready for predictable backlash and other consequences. These questions, of course, have been asked of the Christian faith in Canada over and over. Slowly and in increments — generation by generation — the hold of Christianity on the culture has attenuated.
Pew Research, on July 27, 2013, wrote, “Canada’s Changing Religious Landscape,” explaining an ongoing trend of the decline of religion in Canada. People question quietly; leave churches; and become more open in freethought and naturalistic perspectives on the world. The Globe and Mail describes this, rather dramatically, as a “battle for Christianity in Canada,” as if reading Professor Kenneth Miller’s argument for the “battle for America’s soul.”
Nonetheless, the numbers tell the tale of a decline in the amount of believers in Canadian society as a proportion of Canadian citizenry. In fact, one of the stabilization forces for the numbers of faithful citizens in Canada, in spite of the declines, comes from the immigration of more religious people. In fact, in Christianity Today, Gary Nelson, President and CEO of Tyndale University College and Seminary in Toronto, said that churches need to reintroduce themselves “as a place, as a possibility, and as a neighborhood impact, as opposed to a place people ‘attend’ or ‘go.’ ”
This attempt to rebrand stems from a worrisome decline in church numbers, leading to burdensome costs for maintenance. Over time, fewer Canadian dollars in the collection plates, and rising prices on fixing old buildings, forces churches to close down. The issue is finances and economics, spurred by what seems to be a lowering of religious devotion.
In the next decade, the projection is that 9,000 churches will close because of the two-factor problem of fewer believers and rising costs. “As of 2009, there were 27,601 buildings for worship, training or promotion owned by religious organizations in Canada, a statistic found buried inside a Natural Resources Canada energy audit.” This places the 9,000 as an important comparative number.
From a centuries-long perspective of the narrative of Canadian history, we live in the midst of a phase change in Canadian religious life and demographics with consequences for all facets of Canadian culture and political life because religion, Christian religion, “since its inception,” has pervaded every facet of the country.
Times they change.
This article appears in the March 2020 version of Critical Links.
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One of the most peculiar, and comprehensible, sources of moral opprobrium throughout human history is sex and sexuality, especially as regards female sexual functions and sexual pleasure. In Indonesia, the case remains much the same as in other parts of human history. Perhaps this can be seen as history as usual with an Indonesian flavour.
According to CTV News , Indonesia is hard at work trying to ban gay and premarital sex so as to reinvigorate the historical trend of condemnation of non-religiously sanctified sexuality and non-heterosexual sexuality. It’s important to note, as many of you probably know, Indonesia is the country with the largest Muslim population. Andreas Harsono, senior Indonesia researcher at Human Rights Watch, said, “Indonesia’s draft criminal code is disastrous not only for women and religious and gender minorities, but for all Indonesians.”
Al Jazeera described the nature of the proposed bill as implying that those who have extramarital and premarital sex could face a sentence of six to 12 months’ imprisonment. The president of Indonesia, Joko Widodo, thinks the proposed bill should have more review. Public outcry over the new penal code created the basis for Widodo proposing the delay of the parliamentary vote.
“ After hearing from various groups with objections to aspects of the law, I’ve decided that some of it needs further deliberation… The justice minister has been told to convey my views to parliament and that ratification of the criminal code should be postponed and not passed,” Widodo said in a televised press briefing.
Penalties under the proposed additions to the law could also be given for insulting the dignity of the president, for offering or even simply showing contraception to minors (those under the age of 18), and could also include four years in jail for an illegal abortion “in the absence of a medical emergency or rape.”
Papang Hidayat, Amnesty International Indonesia’s Research Manager, stated , “This is a setback… Religious values as a source of lawmaking has now reached the national level — that’s worrying.”
This article appears in the April 2020 version of Critical Links.
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Human rights violations and breaches of secularism and international law on small scales remain problems. Violations on large scales inflicted wholesale upon victimized and, often, defenceless peoples is tragic, violent, and immediate, even spanning decades into long-term effects of the entire lives of most of the survivors. They may never return to some semblance of normalcy in the dark and bloody tragedy brought forth from war. I see no reason to prevaricate here: people-groups at immediate risk of death, individually and collectively.
One such case in the current moment is the Rohingya, a Muslim minority with a millennia-long history in Myanmar. As Radio Free Asia has reported about the plight of this minority, “Thousands of members of the group were killed during the violence, and more than 740,000 others escaped across the border, where they now live in sprawling displacement camps in southeastern Bangladesh.” Six thousand refugees exist in a “no-man’s land” between Bangladesh and Myanmar.
The Rohingya amount to an in-between ethnic and religious minority with nowhere to call home now. External support structures can help them. In fact, they exist in large numbers. No matter the good principles, reportage, calls to action, and acts of large NGOs and INGOs, and the largest bureaucratic organization in the world, the United Nations (UN), they are big and unwieldy enough to make mistakes.
Human Rights Watch has called for the end of arbitrary travel and other restrictions on the Rohingya. The Rohingya refugees have been facing difficulties after returning to Myanmar. Important as a backdrop, hundreds of thousands of Rohingya left Myanmar. It is based on a military crackdown on the Rakhine state. These are real victims forced to flee life-threatening circumstances.
As Al-Jazeera has reported, “For the first time, they were meeting representatives from the UN and international NGOs tasked with providing education to about half a million Rohingya refugee children living in camps in Cox’s Bazar, Bangladesh. Minutes of the meeting obtained by Al Jazeera, show how the community leaders questioned the officials about the slow effort to give refugees formal education, the absence of a Myanmar curriculum in the camps, and the lack of consultation with the community.”
Some are asking serious questions about the lack of access to education. Typically, the idea is to provide an education bound to the nationality of the group, of the refugees. This means an education that the Rohingya could have expected in Rakhine state or in Myanmar as a whole. With some of this botched by the UN and other organizations, this is where there are serious questions asked of the UN and other organizations about failures in the implementation of the aforementioned principles of the organizations, as human institutions and then answering for the failures.
The problem with these refugees is threefold: the fleeing from military enforcement, the size of them in the hundreds of thousands, and the denial of the fundamental human rights as citizens, as Muslims, and as human beings. The pain and suffering from ethnic and religious persecution need to be heard.
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Continued from Part one
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
This is actually an interesting question – in some ways, mostly very short-term, they can help the workers. But for the most part they are simply a diversion and the companies that employ sub-standard methods are never really held accountable. The amount of din helps the consumer to believe something is being done, even though nothing is actually changing. For more information, you can check out this article I wrote on safe working conditions in the wake of factory disasters.
Women and children remain the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
Women and children are absolutely a focus, especially since they have less resources at their disposal that they can employ to affect change. But we should not be mistaken – the families these women and children come from also have men that are being equally as exploited, just in other industries. It shouldn’t matter if it’s fashion or a dog toy, being aware of the atrocities of the supply chain are a consumer responsibility and only by taking action (by supporting responsible companies) will we make things better for anyone.
Who is a women’s rights and children’s rights activist or campaigner hero for you?
This may sound callous, but I am less concerned with human rights than animal and environmental rights. Humans have control of their existence. It is not always a lot of control, but their are always choices to be made. I am primarily libertarian in ideology so I do not believe in coddling people – whatever your situation, it is up to you to make it better. They have ways to fight their own battles. Animals, on the other hand, are truly oppressed and can not change their situation without our help. The environment then suffers the consequences of our actions, and soon none of us will have a choice about much of anything. I love David Suzuki, the Canadian environmentalist, for his ideas about working with the earth (for example, why do we farm cows in Australia where no cow exists naturally?). I also love Anita Roddick and Jane Goodall for the work they’ve done with animals. And I think Al Gore should be acknowledged for his efforts at bringing the idea of sustainability to the general masses.
The Gender Inequality Index (GII) relates to the empowerment of women, gender equality, and international women’s rights. The progress for gender equity is positive. Regressive forces exist in explicit and implicit forms. What seem like some of the explicit and implicit forms observed in personal and professional life to you?
There are certainly a lot of things that can be said about gender equality, but I think the aspect that gets lost in all of the din is the insidious detail of it. There are many large strides being made in effort of equality, but there is this unspoken stigma in being a woman that permeates your entire life.
When I was old enough to drive and work and make a life for myself, I would meet many new people, groups of friends would merge, overlap, or divide, and so I was often in situations where introductions were required. What I started to notice is that, if I was the only female in the group, I would not be introduced. It’s a small thing, hardly noticeable. But I noticed. And I felt it. And it shaped the opinions I have and the social niceties that I employ. So while I think we should continue working towards equality, we can’t forget to address the ideals and attitudes that shaped the inequality to begin with.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
The most important thing a consumer can do is vote with their dollar. If you don’t buy products that are mass produced using slave labour, require toxic chemicals, and basically just abuse the supply chain, they won’t make them. It’s. That. Simple.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at most levels. Why?
Tradition? Fashion really became a woman’s game around the turn of the 20th century – early periods saw men’s fashion hold a much higher considered importance. There were a number of factors that lead to this, but I personally think those reasons are going extinct and we are seeing greater involvement from men going forward.
Also, more men than women appear at the highest ends of the business ladder in fashion. Why?
Again, tradition? Men have traditionally taken more senior management roles than women, and within fashion, the manager is not always the designer. I think many companies would have felt a man from a different field would make a better CEO than a woman from within the fashion industry.
What might make men more involved in the fashion world in general?
As we relax the stereotypes about what are acceptable behaviors/interests for males versus females, I believe men will look more towards the fashion industry as a way to express their individuality. As I said earlier, it took me a long time to realize that fashion designers are not fashionistas – there are many roles within the industry that would appeal to people that are not necessarily fashion-oriented, and designing is only one of them.
What might make men more involved in the ethical and sustainable fashion world in general?
I think the barrier to entry is the same for everyone: knowledge. The more you know the more you will feel the need to do better.
Will having men in the discussion and on-the-ground improve the implementation of children’s and women’s rights?
I’m almost a little offended by the premise of this question. It is not about women’s rights, or children’s rights, or men’s rights…It is about the rights of humans, the rights of animals, and the rights of the Earth.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Every person who buys one of my pieces has made a decision to do better by the world. There are a lot of people that absolutely do not care, so having this reassurance, that someone besides myself does care, is the hope that sustains my optimism.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I’ve done a lot of volunteering in the past, but recently I turned my attention to writing. I have a wealth of information accumulated over the years, and I love sharing it with anyone that wants to learn. You can find my work on my website and on Socially Conscious Brands.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
For anyone just starting to shape their beliefs, I recommend Tom Robbins. I also love the Earth’s Children series by Jean Auel, and the Hitchhiker’s Trilogy by Douglas Adams.
Almost any dystopian speculative fiction can be eye opening to our current situation, but my favorite authors are Neal Stephenson and Margaret Atwood. Jennifer Nini is a (non)fashionista whom I follow – I love her attitude about life! I think fashion (should be) too personal to follow someone simply for their style, but Jennifer, TheYarina (Fashion Hedge), and Livia Firth are all spreading important ideas!
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, JuliaEden Designs?
You can easily contact me through my website. I welcome all inquiries and am open to all opportunities!
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Design can be very personal…I knew I was creating something different, something that doesn’t exist anywhere else, and that is very scary. I am still struggling to believe that there are enough people out there that also like what I do to sustain my business (and to help it grow to become the non-profit I am dreaming of).
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
I have dealt with a multitude of existential crises and a wealth of chemical imbalances, but the most recent example of emotional struggle that comes to mind is Bowie’s death. That hit me hard and I still have a difficult time when I think about it. The reasons why are pretty personal.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
Whatever you get when you cross Taoism with Absurdism. I may not always achieve that level of peace with my surroundings, but it’s comforting to try. I think it was best summed up by Angel, “if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do”.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
I think the main thing that people need to remember is that they have an incredible amount of power, and if they choose not to use that power by not being informed about the consumer choices they make, then that power is wasted.
Thank you for your time, Julia.
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Julia Eden started making custom macrame hemp necklaces for friends when she was in high school. Twenty years later, she now has an ethical and jewelry brand of JuliaEden designs . A life long environmentalist, she is passionate about sustainability in the fashion supply chain and consciously applies this to her own jewelry brand. Read her story below.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I grew up in a fairly average, suburban, American household. My parents are recovering monotheists, and my brother and I were always encouraged to forge our own paths. With such a casual family atmosphere, I was ripe for the discoveries of liberal ideas like environmentalism, and authors like Tom Robbins.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I grew up as a performer – mainly as an actor and dancer. Coming of age in the Seattle-adjacent Tacoma during the grunge era was incredibly liberating. I never felt pressured to be a “girly-girl”, instead opting for oversized pants and t-shirts. When I discovered fashion design in my early 20’s, I was surprised to find I have a knack and a passion for it. It took me a long time to accept that fashion designers are not necessarily fashionistas.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
It was while I was completing a degree in design (clothing production), that I learned about the supply chain. I have been a self-proclaimed environmentalist since the age of 12, but it wasn’t until this education that I came to understand how grossly uninformed I was. I would be remiss if I didn’t also mention the internet at this point – this kind of information used to be difficult to obtain, but the internet made it easier than ever to be an educated consumer.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
I’ve had a lot of jobs in a bunch of different fields over the years, but one role I can pinpoint as inspiration was my job as a bicycle messenger. The day-to-day toll that riding takes on your clothes are phenomenal. It made me much more aware of the need for quality, well-made pieces, but it also influenced my aesthetic. I find my style now is very industrial x Japanese simplicity.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
We are at a point where we no longer have the luxury of being wasteful. All companies, not just fashion ones, need to look at the bigger picture in relation to supply and operations. The idea that corporations are somehow people, but are only responsible for the financial bottom line is outdated. Entities like B Corps are helping to create a more holistic standard of measurement, opening consumers’ eyes to the ills committed by companies in quest of higher profits. If we are going to continue as a species, we have to find a way to treat the earth better!
What is the importance of fair trade?
One my little quips, or mantras, is, “if you’re only paying $20 for that sweater, someone else is paying the difference”. That difference can be paid in many ways, but one of the most devastating is in the cost to the people who work the supply chain. From toxic chemical exposure causing disease and birth defects, to innocent lives cut short in factory disasters (think Rana Plaza), real people with real lives and names and hopes and dreams are being exploited and tortured so that you can pay $1 less for your shirt. Make no mistake – prices never go down because the company has cut its profits!
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Honestly, while I am impressed by a lot of the people who are fighting the good fight, I would say the people I hold in highest regards are those that I get to watch change their minds. Sometimes it happens during a conversation about sustainability that I have with someone; that moment when their face scrunches just a little and you see them start to get it. Other times it’s in the comments you see on the internet. Basically, any time I observe that moment when someone receives new information and assimilates it into their views.
What is JuliaEden Designs?
JuliaEden Designs is a little brand with big ideas. I have many plans for the future, but right now I’ve started with 2 lines: you can find Protosaurus on Etsy, which is my shop for the samples I create during the design process, as well as handmade accessories like macrame boards and jewelry displays; River’s Walk is my first jewelry collection and features sustainably sourced, natural materials. While I have plans to expand the line, my range of bracelets, headbands, and necklaces are all custom, handmade, and feature traditional macrame techniques.
What are some of its feature products?
I think my favorite piece is The Snoose – a nine-layer wrap bracelet that incorporates macrame, leather, and Argentium Silver.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
I use only 3 materials:
– Argentium Silver: this alloy is 93.5% silver with only a touch of germanium to inhibit tarnishing. It is sustainably produced in the USA using recycled content.
– Leather Cord: my leather is deer hide sourced from herds culled annually via the US Fish and Wildlife Service. A woman in California naturally tans and dyes the leather. I love love love this cord, and it’s the strongest leather I’ve ever worked with!
– Pima Cotton: this is the only hole in my supply chain as it comes from Peru and I am unsure about its production. Due to the requirements of macrame, I have been unable thus far to find a suitable product that is both local and sustainably produced. But good news! I have found a company that is working on recycling natural fibres and I am hoping to work with them on my next order.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of JuliaEden Designs?
Once I receive my supplies, I am the only person to touch them until they get to you! I design and hand-make all of my pieces to the highest possible standards. Wire is turned into jump rings which are soldered closed. Cotton becomes macrame focal points. Leather ties it all together.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Yes – I do not believe synthetics should be used in fashion, ever (another mantra: There is never a good excuse for polyester!!!). Using only natural fibres ensures that my pieces do not add to the mountains of waste that will never break down!
What is your customer base – the demographics?
My pieces are unique, and as such, so is my customer base. They are mostly women, though I have male pieces available as well, and their ages range from 20’s to 70’s. They have variable incomes, lifestyles, and even environmental attitudes. What links them is a desire for jewelry that is
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Wild Thing Toys was founded by Fehmida Ibrahim Shah. She has worked with various social and educational movements and is passionate about supporting a fair trade business models. She started Wild things toys that inspire imagination and play. This is her story.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
My name is Fehmida Ibrahim Shah, I was born in the UK, of Indian heritage, and live in London with my three children and a selection of pets.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
I have never really stuck to a career path as such, and have almost always accidently fell in to various fields, from being a florist, to teaching, and working in the social housing sector.
I have studied floristry, then building construction & social housing at Middlesex University and then have gone on to study design & textiles. I am presently studying Near East Archaeology.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainability?
As far as I can remember, as a family, we were taught the values of having respect for other people, for animals, and for the planet. We were taught that the earth was precious and we were the guardians of it. Even though the terms ‘ethical’ and ‘ecofriendly’ were not used when I was young, recycling and repurposing was something that was instilled in to us. My parents were both keen gardeners and I remember endless days helping them grow flowers, fruits and vegetable, using novel pest free sustainable methods.
The turning point of when I knew I wanted to do something ethical came about when I did some voluntary work with children in the West Bank. I observed the teachers in the summer play camp making toys out of scraps of paper and bits of cloth. I marveled at their ingenuity and their ability to create something wonderful with minimum wastage.
I started a business creating paper goods whereby everything was made by either sustainable paper or completely wood free.
After running my business for a number of years, I wanted to do something else as well. Having admired the fair trade movement for a long time, it motivated me to start a business that had a completely fair trade business model.
I wanted to create a product made by someone whose life would have improved because of it. This is where my soft toy business ‘Wild Thing Toys’ came in.
What seems like the importance of fair trade?
Fair Trade has a hugely positive impact on the lives of workers and their families. It raises the standards of living for the workers and also their communities. As well as a living wage, the communities can invest in much needed projects, such as schools and health centres. Fair trade gives people opportunities that give them more control over their lives. Why shouldn’t someone from another country have the opportunities that you and I have?
Fair trade is also empowering for women. Women often face harassment and discrimination within factories and places of work around the world. Working under fair trade standards, they have protection and gender equality. Fair trade can help women to reach their full potential by making available opportunities they did not have before, such as education, leadership roles and entrepreneurship programs. They can also work within their own village and community for a decent wage and under good conditions, without having to travel to the major cities and leave their families behind.
What seems like the importance of a (relative to the country) living wage?
The minimum wage set by some countries fall short of what can be deemed as a living wage. The reality being, these workers struggle to survive on these wages whilst making products for us to consume. When a company does not provide a living wage in the poorest countries, it essentially pushes out the weakest people in the supply chain.
These workers may be forced to take on additional low paid jobs under appalling conditions and send their children to work instead of school. This keeps them indefinitely stuck in a vicious cycle of poverty.
All Wild Things soft toys and dolls are made from hand loomed cotton and environmentally friendly and child safe dyes. All products are also CE tested to EN71 and are safe for children.
A living wage, on the other hand should be enough to meet the basic needs such as food, water, housing, health care, education, clothing, transportation and child care, consequently giving the workers a chance to live a decent life, which we would all agree, is a human right.
A business who manufactures and uses a workforce would expect a high quality of goods being produced. The workers should also expect a good wage for the work they have done.
Workers that are happy and motivated are more likely to be more productive and take less time off due to sickness, which would be beneficial for the business too.
What is Wild Things Toys?
At Wild Thing toys we create heirloom quality soft toys which are all fair trade certified. Our soft toys are made from handloomed cotton made in a traditional way which is centuries old.
All the workers are paid a decent wage, work in safe and healthy working conditions, and have access to other benefits such as health checks and education projects. Employment takes place in rural villages, so the artisans do not need to travel miles leaving their families behind to work in large factories, therefore benefiting the whole community.
Our soft toys and dolls are certified by the World Fair Trade Organisation.
What are some of its feature products?
Simple natural toys with minimum features that inspire a child to imagine the countless possibilities, as opposed to the toy thinking for the child. Wild Thing Toys are made to last and to be passed on for many years to come.
Handmade and eco friendly Fox doll by Wild Things Toys. All dolls are made without beaded eyes, everything is made from fabric and stitched or embroidered on. Therefore you can be rest assured that all our toys are not only super adorable, but made to the highest safety standard.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Wild Things Toys?
The products are designed by me and from then on, I work closely with the handloom organisation Selyn, who make the toys for me. The fabric is woven using yarn which is dyed with AZO-free, ecofriendly dyes. A wastewater plant treatment ensures that the environment is protected at the same time. This waste water is treated and re used in the gardens to grow vegetables. We work closely with our partners, who are the only certified fair trade hand loom organisation in Sri Lanka. Most of the work is done in rural areas, where jobs for women are limited. The working mothers here also have the benefit of a day care facility while they work.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
Currently my fair trade soft toys are sold in the UK and worldwide via online shops.
What topics most interest you?
Surface textile design, historical textiles and archaeology. I have a keen interest in the lifestyle of past cultures and civilizations, and what we can learn from them. I am also interested in current ethical Issues.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
I feel blessed to be able to do a job that I love. The gratification comes from being able to create a design and see it made in to a product with the knowledge that the person who has made the product for me, also has a decent job with good wages.
Any other work at this time?
I am still running my paper goods business, I like to get involved with book donation projects for children. I am also presently studying Archaeology.
Any recommended means of contacting you?
You can contact me via my website www.wildthingtoys.com.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
Real success is not about the attainment of wealth; rather it is about the quality of life you create for others and the peace of mind you attain for yourself.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
I feel delighted that my business was included amongst all the other likeminded ethical businesses. I hope your interviews will encourage others in to taking their first step in to fair trade and sustainability.
Thank you for your time, Fehmida.
Thank you Scott.
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Maha Mala creates beautifully hand crafted 108 bead Necklaces using crystal and Indian Traditional seeds. These 108 bead necklaces are called ‘Malas’ in Sanskrit and are used for chanting. Based out of the heartland of India, New Delhi; each of their crystals are sourced locally and every product is hand made. Read more about Maha Mala in our interview with co founder Piya Jain.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
It really seemed like the need of the moment. With all the use of chemicals in this fast consumerism world, I felt like we need to go back to the roots and be more organic.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
I feel that for ethical and sustainable fashion companies, it isn’t exactly what they are selling but about the numerous people they are benefiting. It could be food, or clothing or accessories, there is always a multitude of people involved in the process and where as most companies don’t care about the efforts made at the grassroots, the more organic companies really do give importance to that.
What seems like the importance of a (relative to the country) living wage?
Mostly workers in today’s day and age are exploited. Everyone wants a good product for a cheap price. While the companies make a sizable profit, the workers suffer at the most. Hence it is important to pay the workers well so that together the company can grow with them.
What is Maha Mala?
Maha Mala is a spiritual Jewellery company specializing in making 108 prayer bead necklaces, also known as Malas.
What inspired the title of the organization?
Maha Mala means ‘Grand Necklace’. It is a personal product used for ones own personal growth so it is a grand aspect of one’s own life.
What are some of its feature products?
Semi precious and precious gemstones and Ahimsa silk (cruelty free silk).
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
We use Ahimsa silk. It is silk that is farmed without killing the silk worms. We also use organic khadi material for packaging of each mala.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Maha Mala?
I do. I am the owner of Maha Mala.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Yes.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
The spiritual community of the world. People who meditate and practice yoga.
What topics most interest you?
Gem therapy, Sustainability and natural therapy.
Did someone mentor you?
Yes, over the years I have read many books that touched me deep within ad I do have an eternal mentor in life.
Thank you for your time, Piya.
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Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
A 30-year-old male, born in Oslo, Norway, and grew up in Bergen, Norway, I was exposed to many religions throughout school. However, I am an agnostic, meaning that I do perceive there to be something…bigger…than us out there, and am not convinced by any of the manmade religions. Perceive that there is a bigger chance the religions are talking about the same “thing”, but fighting over which name to give it.
I’m bi-lingual+ meaning my Norwegian and English is at native levels, and my Chinese is conversational
In terms of culture I’m quite the “mutt” now, after living for 3+ years in both Norway, China, and Ireland, and travelling to over 50 countries. Closest description would be an international citizen with a Norwegian background.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
After doing my year of military service on the border of Russia (an amazing and life changing experience) I decided to study international marketing at the Norwegian School of Business. Choosing this study had a basis in the fact that my younger sister was adopted from China in 2001, and International Marketing offered an exchange year to Shanghai for its third and final year.
Once in Shanghai I absolutely loved it, and upon completing my bachelor I enrolled in a Masters in Economics at Fudan University in Shanghai.
While there I met the founders of Mamahuhu, Luis and Carolina. They actually started Mamahuhu while we were studying together, and at the same time I started my venture into the world of mobile apps.
After four years living in China, my fiancé, Effy, who is Chinese, wanted to study her Masters in Europe. So we moved to Ireland where I continued developing apps for another year, while she studied.
Once Effy graduated, I wanted to take a break from the entrepreneurial life and see what corporate life was like. Dublin, Ireland, is the technological hub of Europe, and there were plenty of choices. Finally, my choice was doing Software as a service sale for the red giant, Oracle.
An amazing company which taught me many valuable lessons, it was early apparent to me that this was not the correct road. So on the side of work, my fiancé and I started working on a way to get location independence. (Earning a living that is not dependent on going to work at a specific place)
We spent a year setting up a tea company on side of work, that culminated in a great Kickstarter campaign, that unfortunately failed due to a product/market fit that was not good enough.
After that campaign we (Effy and I) got the amazing opportunity to join Luis and Carolina, who had continued to build Mamahuhu over the last 6 years.
Mamahuhu had an amazing growth and road behind it, from selling on Facebook to friends and family then to having 7 shops in Colombia and 2 in Spain.
There were however large untapped areas, specifically online sales.
We were invited to come onboard as partners to bring Mamahuhu’s ethical fashion to the rest of the world by setting up and running www.mamahuhu.com and other online sales.
Now Effy and I are developing Mamahuhu worldwide, working from wherever we are, and enjoying it thoroughly. So far this year we have spent over one month in Norway, China, Ireland, and Spain, working from wherever we are.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Growing up in Norway, ethics is something we get both in school and home. It is far from perfect, but I perceive that I’ve had a very lucky and good start on life in the beliefs and mental patterns that was brought from home.
Additionally, I perceive that my generation has a more sustainable view on how life on earth should be lived. So my interest has always been there.
However, it was after coming in as a partner in Mamahuhu that it really crystallized. It is a constant challenge for us, how to balance the combination of stylish fashion brand and an ethical company.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
I view myself first and foremost as a business man, and believe that it is through positive business that we can change the world for the better.
Instead of asking people to give up their car, make one that doesn’t pollute.
Instead of asking people to recycle, make bio-degradable items.
Instead of lobbying the government to support ethical companies, make ethical companies that can not only stand on their own, but thrive in the fight with fast fashion.
You might say that some of the naiveté and idealism I perceive is to be found in students all around the world never got drawn out of me, because I had several years as an entrepreneur before stepping into the corporate environment. (And made sure to leave it behind before it changed me.)
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
This is a great question, and it ties in with my answer for the previous one.
Often it is said that to succeed in business you must be ruthless and hard. Too many accidents and horrible events are the result of people compromising on their ethics.
Our vision here at Mamahuhu is that it is possible to make a thriving and profitable business on the basis of treating everyone in our value chain fairly, ad with respect. An example is that we pay over 4 times as much for our shoes as most fast fashion brands, yet we are still a strong and profitable company.
How? Through business model innovation. By sending shoes directly from artisans to our stores or to customers, we avoid the middle men. This means that we sell less shoes, as distributors regularly buy 10,000-200,000 shoes at once, but the price they need is unsustainable for ethical production.
And this is the importance of ethical fashion designers and companies: Showing people a better way of doing business, that is both ethical and sustainable for our planet.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
My first thought goes to Amyann Cadwell of The Good Trade (http://www.thegoodtrade.com/), because of the amazing impact she has. I half-jokingly liken being mentioned by The Good Trade as the ethical fashion world equivalent of a Vogue cover story .
There are many webpages dedicated to ethical and sustainable fashion, yet few who I can say truly thrives. I really respect what she and her team has accomplished by building a business that not only thrives, but they are able to stand by their ethics and beliefs.
What is Mamahuhu?
Mamahuhu is two things:
On the one hand, Mamahuhu is a fashion brand that offers colourful shoes, bags, and accessories to modern men and women.
On the other hand, Mamahuhu is an ethical company whose vision is to keep alive the tradition of family owned workshop. We do this by empowering and supporting unemployed artisans to become ethical workshop owners, and develop into self-sustaining companies. So far we have set up 15 workshops, and created over 200 jobs in challenges communities.
Every shoes has its own attributes, and deserves to be treated personally to make sure all parts fit perfectly together and all the details are attended carefully. The process is like creating a piece of art. Only those that are handmade by experienced artisans can reach such level of perfection.
What inspired the title of the organization?
It was while studying in China that Mamahuhu was conceived, and the name literally means “HorseHorseTigerTiger” in Chinese. This word is one of the first one learns as foreigners studying Chinese, because of the easy pronunciation. Meaning of the word is careless and casual.
What are some of its feature products?
We have just launched a new collection of Riviera shoes on Kickstarter, and that is looking very good indeed, as we got funded in only one week! I perceive this as real proof that people care how their clothes were made, by who, and how they were treated.
Besides these, our most popular products are our signature shoe collections of Colorines, Nevaditas, and Moccasins.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Our core customers are women and men between 21 to 35, who has a fun and colourful style. Additionally, we have many customers who are in their heart still 25, fun, and colourful.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
I’ve never looked into scientific research around this topic, so my thoughts here are just uneducated opinions (unlike most of the rest?).
As a child I was not very interested in fashion. It kept me warm when it was cold. It kept me dry when it was raining. It helped me fit in so I could figure out who I was.
I have a thought that this is a common perception for boys more so than girls who seem to care more about what they wear.
Once into the teenage years it became very quickly apparent that my style is how the world sees me, and so I (and maybe other boys?) started caring more what I wore.
These early experiences might be the small pebbles that changes the road over time. Meaning that interest in fashion from an early age might influence choices made in teenage and young adult years, when deciding which “career” to pursue.
This is however complete speculation .
What might make men more involved in the fashion world in general?
Education about what jobs are available in the fashion world, what they entail, and what can be accomplished through them.
As an aside to previous question, I perceive that the fashion might seem very closed off and unapproachable by many young people (and old for that matter).
Personally I’ve sort of “created” my own job in the fashion industry, and before joining I knew little about which jobs were available. Early education for boys into what is possible might have a huge impact.
What might make men more involved in the ethical and sustainable fashion world in general?
I’m not convinced that there are many more women than men involved in the ethical and sustainable fashion world, but I’m willing to speculate
So again, this is pure speculation. But I would not be surprised if more men become involved in ethical and sustainable fashion as the industry continues to increase in recognition and prestige.
Ethical and sustainable fashion is on a sharp upward trend. Many men seem to me to be drawn towards prestigious and high profile jobs. As ethics become “cool” we might see more men involved.
Will having men in the discussion and on-the-ground improve the implementation of children’s and women’s rights?
I perceive so, yes. A cause will never have full power if half the population is not involved. Though I personally believe that men ARE involved in the discussions and on-the-ground.
Mamahuhu works with artisans from disadvantage areas in Colombia, and rescue leather workshops that was previously unemployed. Currently we support over 110 artisans, spread over 11 workshops in Bogota, Colombia.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Two types.
Firstly, this is an extremely challenging job. Nearly every day brings a new challenge that I’ve never dealt with before, which requires my full faculties, experience, and educational background to solve.
With entrepreneurship we are creating something out of nothing, and that is hard.
It is also extremely giving. As through these struggles I grow every single day. Since joining Mamahuhu I’ve learned countless new skills, and honed those I already had to a new level.
This development is very fulfilling.
Secondly, I get to bring my full force to bear on a project that I believe makes the world a better place. That is extremely motivating, knowing that this work is in line with my own ethics and beliefs.
I would not wish upon my worst enemy to go day in and day out trying to distract themselves from the fact that they are betraying their morals, and what they do is evil. Money can’t clean your conscience.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
At the moment my full focus is on growing Mamahuhu and increase the positive impact that we have.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Too many. Oh so, so, many.
I’d like to share a “hidden” gem of the internet though.
This is the link to Derek Siver’s book summaries. A brilliant writer and entrepreneur, this is a huge gift to anyone who wants to develop who they are. Having read many of those books myself, I find that the summaries often give better return on invested time than reading the full book.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, Mamahuhu?
For those who feel like they are in their twenties, and like fun, colourful fashion, the best place is www.mamahuhu.com
We also respond to every (non-spam) email we get at online@mamahuhu.co, whether happy customers who wants to share their happy feelings, other entrepreneurs who are on their own journeys, or journalists who like good stories
We are also always looking for great shops or boutiques that wants to partner with Mamahuhu.
We are also on:
FB: https://www.facebook.com/mamahuhu.co/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mamahuhu.co/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MamahuhuOnline
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
I find that only through conversation, whether with a person or with a blank page, does one sharpen one’s thoughts. Thank you for the opportunity to sharpen mine
Thank you for your time, Henrik.
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Conscious Elegance creates fun, ethically sourced eco-chic wedding attire at a fair price. Sustainability, social responsibility, & affordability are their priorities and reflected in every aspect of their business. Designer Lori, tells us more.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
When I hear the words ‘family background’ I think of my parents. I was born of Italian and Austrian/Romanian parents in upstate NY and we moved south to small-town Maryland, first on the Eastern Shore (Salisbury) then in Central MD (Fredrick), for my formative years. I have one sister who is 20 months younger and she was my best friend throughout our childhoods. My culture growing up was one of crafting, frugality and DIY, though not what one might consider artistic. My family valued education and independence and my mother went back to college when I was a pre-teen; I was able to watch her graduate, which was an incredibly proud day for all of us. Language: Spoke English at home but studied every possible foreign language at school (I wanted to travel!).
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
Education: Bachelor’s Degree in English Lit, Bachelor’s and Master’s Degree in Speech-Language Pathology (SLP). Still licensed and certified as a speech-language pathologist, because I worked too hard to give that up. I was previously certified in massage therapy not for a career but from a lifelong interest in holistic medicine. I figured that the best way to learn how to be healthy was to learn how bodies work. I put myself through grad school as a costumer for semi-professional theatre in Baltimore, Maryland which is where I truly learned to sew. I learned my craft through apprenticeship rather than from school and I believe that my way of learning was infinitely better for me. Worked as an SLP for 12 years before deciding to start a custom wedding dress design company that would cater to the hard-to-fit bride. Kept the company up for 10 years before deciding to move onto designing baby and household goods.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
While researching sources for my dress design business I became aware of both the horrors of factory conditions and the poisoning of lands & people through use of pesticides and production of petroleum-based fabrics. Until then, I’d had no idea what had gone into the cheap t-shirts I was wearing. I refused to be part of the problem and decided to Be the Change. I shifted my company’s focus to use reclaimed and eco-supportive materials exclusively, with a focus on local production and zero-waste business practices.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
Again, our world has become polluted and depleted due to our squandering of resources. Her people have been exploited and abused, all in the name of ever-new and ever-cheap fashion. We need to be part of the solution and we need to lead the way.
The Brundtland Commission Report described the need for sustainability. In that, we, the human species, need to meet the “needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs” for long-term sustainability. Does this seem correct to you?
It does seem correct, if for no other reason than the world has taken the opposite approach for so long and we see where that has gotten us. There may have been a time when there were so few people taking up so few resources that there was no need to think to the future. That time is long past.
How can ethical and sustainable fashion contribute to the long-term sustainable future for the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment?
There are several ways that come immediately to mind:
1) By reclaiming and re-using resources, we limit the consumption of raw materials and thus limit the energy needed to produce and refine them is greatly reduced.
2) By reclaiming and re-using resources, landfill space is spared and less land is required to be cleared to make room for our trash. This protects wildlife and real estate and preserves it for future generations.
3) By using ecologically sound practices to grow crops such as hemp and organic cotton, our land in use is spared the pollution of pesticides and herbicides. The surrounding flora and fauna and the people who grow and process these crops have a better chance of healthy lives. In addition, the land is kept viable for those who would come next.
4) By keeping production as local as possible, we support our communities and save fossil-fuel consumption by reducing shipping and transportation costs.
What is Conscious Elegance?
Conscious Elegance is a micro-brewed independent design company that creates beautiful and useful things from reclaimed, vintage and sustainable materials.
What inspired the title of the organization?
I wanted to convey the concept that conscious consumption could be beneficial and elegant. At the time I was creating the business (the early 2000’s), I was designing high-end wedding dresses and the pervasive thought was that eco-friendly and sustainable dresses had to be ugly and homespun, like a burlap sack. I wanted to show that Conscious does not equal Austerity.
What are some of its feature products?
Conscious Elegance is in transition at the moment; we had been focusing on sustainable fashion and design for the first 10 years of our journey. We’re now developing and designing high-end and useful household items such as infant crib sets and duvet covers using reclaimed and vintage silk, hemp and organic cotton.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
See above. Besides reclaimed silks, our new materials are certified organic cottons and hemp blends. To my knowledge, currently the world’s hemp crops are principally grown in Romania and China, though we are hoping to change that with improved legislation.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Conscious Elegance?
Since we use mostly reclaimed and vintage fabrics, our manufacturers come from every time and every place.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Yes. The hemp and silk blends that we use have a 100 SBP rating, or Sustainable Biodegradable Product rating. This means that it was cultivated in a sustainable fashion and will biodegrade 100%.
As for our reclaimed fabrics, we are not able to predict the biodegradeability of each piece of vintage silk, but we focus on sourcing natural fabrics rather than petroleum-based products, with the intent that our fabrics will return to the soil like any other natural/biological substance.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
When we were creating wedding dresses, the demographics of our market were mostly age 20-40, educated and eco-minded, though we did have several clients who were glad to have a beautiful well-made custom gown regardless of the sustainability. We did our best to educate them while we made them look gorgeous on their special day.
What topics most interest you?
Frugal and sustainable living, wholistic health, archaeology, photorealistic drawing/painting.
Did someone mentor you?
No. Sadly it has been very difficult to find gurus in this field who were doing exactly what I’d wanted to do.
Have you mentored others?
Many (countless!) fiber arts students contact me from all over the world to learn more about hemp fabrics and sustainable business practices. I’m glad to give them info and send them swatches, free of charge, for their school projects. I also lecture regularly at local events to help educate the public, even presenting at the American Textile History Museum, where I had a gown on exhibit.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
I get great satisfaction out of making something beautiful, and, even more importantly, something useful out of materials that had been discarded and unused. I believe in making the most of what we have.
Any other work at this time?
Besides working in fiber, I am a portrait artist, largely focusing on graphite as my medium but recently branching out into pastels. I show in local galleries and at sci-fi / fantasy conventions. I have several pieces online at http://www.afinelikeness.com/gallery/
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
While he may not be a fashionisto, the author Neil Gaiman is one of my all-time Inspirations. His commencement speech to the University of the Arts 2012 is a piece that every creative person should take to heart. Google ‘Neil Gaiman’s Awesome Commencement Speech’ and you’ll find it.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
Email works best.
What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Charging a fair wage for my work. My family wasn’t wealthy and money was always a concern when I was growing up. I’m constantly aware of how many people struggle and my heart goes out to them. I want to help.
What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
Feeling like my reach exceeds my grasp. It feels like there’s never enough time or stamina or daylight to do everything I want in a day.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
Two come to mind. The first is ‘Use it up, wear it out, make do or do without’. The second comes from ‘Desiderata’: ‘Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself.’
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
I’m extremely grateful for the time you’ve put into this article and thank you for the chance to speak. I truly believe that together we can change the world into what we want it to be.
Thank you for your time, Lori.
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Purse and Clutch employs weavers & seamstresses in Guatemala & leather workers in Ethiopia to break the cycle of poverty in countries with limited job opportunities. Know more about them in our interview with Jen Lewis!
Purse and Clutch artisans in Ethiopia. In Ethiopia, men & women are stuck in poverty because of a systemic lack of employment opportunities. Even skills training & education can’t help if no jobs exist. By employing Ethiopians to make leather designs, Purse and Clutch creates opportunities for hardworking, incredibly talented individuals.
What is Purse & Clutch?
For the last 5 years Purse & Clutch has been an online retail boutique curating high quality, well designed, & ethically made handbags. We’re passionate about long term partnership with artisans in developing countries who create their products with an emphasis on design & quality. These artisans are treated with respect & are paid a living wage for their region.
Starting this coming Spring, we’re transitioning from a boutique curation of fair trade finished products to designing & producing our own line. This will allow us to know our artisans intimately by name, incorporate design input from our community, & control production from start to finish.
Our artisan teams consist of single mothers in Guatemala making gorgeous woven cotton fabric items & an incredible group of leatherworkers in Ethiopia where other employment opportunities simply don’t exist.
As the manager of the workshop, Israel is incredible at keeping every detail straight for each handbag & manages his team with grace & confidence. He’s also the mastermind who transforms our designs & patterns into life giving invaluable feedback with his extensive knowledge of leather construction.
What inspired the title of the organization?
It actually started with a play on the word clutch – as in the sports players who come through in the clutch, but when I looked up available domain names everything was related to car parts! From there I checked to see if www.purseandclutch.com was available & when it was, I bought it immediately! I loved that it was straightforward & transparent, which is exactly what I knew I wanted the business to be about.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on? / How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I grew up in North East Texas. My dad was born & raised in Jos, Nigeria & several of his siblings returned to West Africa as adults which meant that I grew up hearing about civil wars, lack of access to medical care, & stunning African countrysides. I knew I wanted to play a role in connecting needs & resources but really had no idea what that would or could look like.
I went to John Brown University in NW Arkansas to study Chemistry. Upon graduating, my plan was to continue my education in the field of nutrition researching ways to fortify indigenous crops with needed missing nutrients in South America but I was offered a job teaching Chemistry at a bilingual High School in Honduras. I jumped at the chance to live in Latin America. It because obvious very quickly that teaching at an affluent high school wasn’t getting at my desire to connect needs with opportunities, so after the year I returned to John Brown University to get my Master’s of Science in Leadership & Ethics. I was fortunate enough to be awarded a Fellowship with a non-profit leadership training organization called The Soderquist Center that gave me incredible insights into the non-profit world & access to amazing mentors who taught me to dream big.
After grad school, I moved to Austin to be back in Texas & closer to family as I pursued a career in non-profit humanitarian work. I got a job helping to cultivate a healthy community for a group of formerly homeless individuals that was much closer to my passion of connecting resources to needs, but I kept feeling frustrated that as a woman living alone I didn’t feel comfortable inviting the middle-aged men – many working through addictions – into my home.
At this time a dear friend from grad school had moved to Northern India to help start an organization that worked with locals to make handbags designed with their Western customers in mind. The stories she would tell me of the transformation that employment could bring captivated me. She told me there was essentially a line out the door of eager potential workers looking for a job, and that they just needed to sell more bags to be able to expand their workforce. She shipped me a box of handbags & as they were being made I researched everything I could about how to start an online shop. From there Purse & Clutch was born.
It really is incredible how much of an impact employment can have on an individual’s life as well as on her community. By changing the way manufacturing is done – from an exploitative industry to one that lifts its workers out of poverty – we can begin to unravel the cycle of poverty.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
Slow fashion looks to add job opportunities whenever possible – not cut corners at any cost. We definitely take a slow fashion approach to production! While we could purchase already made & dyed thread to speed up production times, we wouldn’t be employing as many women along the way. We opt for choices that extend the life of a product even if it’s more expensive for us to make so that a handbag lasts season after season & doesn’t need to be thrown away or replaced every six months. We do this by committing to high quality, natural materials as well as only launching new collections twice a year (Spring & Fall) that are timeless patterns & color combinations. In slowing down the fashion cycle, we hope to encourage our community to make educated, thoughtful choices about their purchases.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
The fabric in Guatemala begins with a boll of cotton. The cotton is spun into thread, then botanically dyed using traditional Mayan plant & insect recipes to get the perfect hue. The thread is then loaded onto a loom to become the vertical base called the warp. More thread, called the weft, is then passed back & forth to create specific patterns. The finished woven fabric is then sent to the seamstresses to make into the finished products you see on our site.
Any women’s rights activist or campaigner hero for you?
Lately I’ve been inspired by Marian Wright Edelman, founder & director of the Children’s Defense Fund who said, “If you don’t like the way the world is, you have an obligation to change it. Just do it one step at a time.”
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
We’ve just opened applications for a new Insights Focus Group that will be housed on Slack. We’re looking for a group of thoughtful & creative influencers who can act as our sounding board as we develop our brand & continue to support fair wages in Guatemala & Ethiopia in a substantive way. Apply here!
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Rachel grew up in a small suburb of Los Angeles where she resides today. Growing up in a creative environment with her mother who is an artist, inspired her to study Art History and Chinese in a small liberal arts school in Lexington, Virginia. Hipsters for Sisters is a label she founded with her mother and sister. Read more about her and their fashion label, all made in their L.A. studio.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I grew up in a small suburb of Los Angeles, California, where I reside today. When I was younger, my mother worked as a fine artist and I was always nearby while she painted on these huge, larger-than-life canvases. I was really lucky to always be surrounded by such creativity— paints and papers and craft supplies. I had a very creatively-enriched childhood. Today, my mom and I are business partners and I get to work with her full-time on Hipsters for Sisters.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I studied Art History and Chinese at a small liberal arts school in Lexington, Virginia, but my passion has always been making things. Even when I was little, I’d be making purses out of glue and paper, so it just seemed fitting that during my senior year of college, my mother decided she wanted to reinvent the fanny pack and I was there to help her.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
My interest in ethical and sustainable fashion sort of grew in an organic way. I’d been vegetarian since as early as I could remember, and so when my mom and I decided to start making bags, we couldn’t bring ourselves to use real leather —so naturally, we chose vegan leather instead. While we were perfecting our first designs, we learned about the toxicity of certain vegan leathers like PVC, so then we became even more discerning about the types of fabrics we used. We saw it as a necessity for everything we sourced to be safe for the environment and also the people wearing and making it. Although leather is always the least sustainable option in terms of fabric, we place strict requirements on the vegan leathers we do use. We require them to be free from organic solvents, odors and environmental toxins such as formaldehyde, pesticides, phenols, chlorine, heavy metals, carcinogenic and allergy-inducing dyes common in many synthetic leathers.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
There are so many different facets to having your own fashion brand, and so to be quite frank, it took a while for us to get the lay of the land and figure out how it all works. Although, I do think the study of art and art historical movements really helped with design.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
Ethical and sustainable fashion brands are really the future. I think, in a sense, ethical fashion is a movement against the rise of fast fashion, and rightfully so. It’s a return to ethical and local ways of manufacturing — slow fashion, small quantities and local production means a lower impact on the planet. And if we can do all that while using sustainable and renewable textiles, then hallelujah(!), we finally found a better and more conscious way of participating in fashion. If we no longer have a planet upon which to wear clothes, then what’s the point of making them?
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
I love what Reformation is doing in terms of sustainable fashion. They’ve really changed the game by making it cool to care about the planet and has in turn, helped out a lot of us, small, sustainable fashion brands. I also really respect and look to the influential people that are using their power for good like Leonardo DiCaprio, and sustainable fashion icon, Emma Watson, and of course, the celebrities who participate in the Red Carpet, Green Dress movement by wearing (and re-wearing) sustainable gowns for red carpet events.
What is Hipsters for Sisters?
Hipsters for Sisters (www.hipstersforsisters.com) is a Los-Angeles based, hands-free bag brand on a mission to liberate women from their baggage. All of our bags are meant to be worn as belt bags (a revamped version of the fanny pack) and some convert to be worn crossbody. As a modern company, we believe we have a responsibility to the earth and so all of our bags are made locally and sustainably, using only the highest quality sustainable and cruelty free materials available.
What inspired the title of the organization?
Hipsters for Sisters is all about empowering women. 5% of the purchase price of every bag sold is donated to organizations that help empower women, protect the planet and animals. The name, Hipsters for Sisters, felt right, as we’ve always wanted to create a type of community for women (or sisters, if you will).
What are some of its feature products?
One of our best selling items is the Pocket Bum Bag (http://www.hipstersforsisters.com/bum-bag-pocket-xl-black). They’re made with eco-friendly certified vegan leathers, Ultrasuede (made from post-industrial recycled materials) and organic cotton lining. These are really popular because they’re particularly roomy inside, so you can take a lot of stuff with you, and also people love that you can slip your phone in the front external pocket which allows for easy access.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
We use eco-friendly certified vegan leathers and natural materials like organic cotton, hemp, and cork. We also use Ultrasuede, made from post-industrial recycled material. Sourcing is the hardest part for us, and we are always on the lookout for new, innovative, sustainable materials.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Hipsters for Sisters?
Our bags are all made locally here in Los Angeles by a family-run factory that treats its employees with respect and love. Our factory is just a few miles from our office, which makes it easy to run over and check on production. They often put together “pot-luck” style lunches where each one of them brings a homemade dish and shares with one another. We are so lucky to have such skilled craftsmen and women working on our bags and the opportunity to meet and visit with them frequently, since they’re so close to our office.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Well, our bags are built so last. So they should last you a good ten or so years, before they start wearing down. Although all of them will eventually biodegrade at some point, but probably not before you’re done using the bag.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Our bags are for all women, of all ages, all races, all ethnicities. All women need and want to be liberated and empowered. We are for everyone…except men, at the moment— but we are working on that! =
What topics most interest you?
I’m always interested in new ethical brands and innovative sustainable textiles. Also, art and how it intersects with fashion.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
It’s rewarding to be part of a movement that is working to clean up the fashion industry, the second most polluting industry on the planet, and create more sustainable and ethical choices for consumers for a better, healthier way of shopping. It’s also rewarding to be able to give back and support organizations doing incredible things for our planet. Because of our customers, we’re able to give to organizations that help empower women, protect the planet, and animals. For example, last spring we saved almost 300 acres of Sumatran Rainforest through the Rainforest Trust, creating a save haven for critically endangered wildlife including the Sumatran tiger, elephant and orangutan and keeping the land lush with C02 loving plants and giving these animals a permanent place to call home.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
Hipsters for Sisters is my full time job, however, I also do some freelance writing on sustainable and ethical fashion.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, Hipsters for Sisters?
Of course, you can reach out to me at contact@hipstersforsisters.com and sign up for our newsletter (http://eepurl.com/F_wv9) to stay in touch with us about upcoming sales, events, and what’s new.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Thanks so much for taking the time to speak with me about sustainable fashion. So grateful for people like you helping to bring awareness for the need of transparency in the fashion industry, and helping consumers making more responsible and ethical buying decisions.
Thank you for your time, Rachel.
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NOW THEN is an ecoluxury swimwear and neoprene label for Ocean minded women in search of a fashionable saltwater attire.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I was raised in a small town of Navarra, in the North part of Spain.
Since I have memory my two passions have been nature and fashion. I grew up between the fabrics, rough bodies and patterns from my grandmother who was a seamstress. My family gave me the sense of hard working and respect for nature.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I think being raised in the countryside, gives you a special connection with it nature. When I studied my Fashion degree this came to me in an organic way.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
I had a business university background first worked in renewable energies companies as a Buyer. I decided to follow my childhood dream moving to Madrid to study my Fashion Degree. I had some experience working at other Fashion retailers when I decided to start with my own brand. I think it is really interesting to combine both business and creative studies if you want to start your own business.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
I would say being in a direction which you find is the most honest you can get and you can maintain it in the future if the business grows. And an area I would consider very important is have a good communication strategy for spreading all your efforts.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Well, within the industry I have always been looking at Patagonia, I think they are an example for whoever wants to make a difference. I love their materials innovation and their strong communication power, I also love their spirit, how they build their story and keep honest about what they do now at the time they are massive company.
More from a personal side, my forever heroine is Dr. Sylvia Earle, marine biologist and environmentalist who I admire for her life connected and dedicated to the Ocean.
I also take the opportunity of highlighting someone who I have been enthusiastic about. Afroz Shah is an indian lawyer born in Mumbai. I got to know his work with a huge beach cleanup he organized teaming up with locals for more than a year cleaning up more than 4,000 tons of garbage . One day he decided he did not like what he was seeing from his window view, teamed up with some locals and started to clean up their beach. He started just as an individual and now they achieved a global goal, he has been now awarded by the UN Champions of the Earth award. We spoke about him in a post at our Journal, called “Versova beach of Hope”, this has been the most inspiring, hopeful story I recently came across.
What is NOW_THEN?
NOW_THEN is an Eco Luxury Swimwear and Wetsuits label inspired by the powerful combination of feminity, freedom and Ocean love.
What are some of its feature products?
Our collection features Active-inspired swimwear made with Eco Premium materials such as recycled nylon from discarded fishing nets and marine waste and Petroleum-free neoprene wetsuits. We are also working in a new range of textile accessories collaborating with some artisans. We are always focusing in design, high-end materials, quality and responsibly making.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
We just had our first collection out this 2016 summer and we market our products mainly online. We sell mainly Spain and Europe but we were also thrilled to receive orders from places such as Hawaii, Australia or Virgin Islands!
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
That means everything to this new movement. Rana Plaza was such a disaster and shame to the world, but we need the people to see this reality that some of us have been seeing by visiting factories across these production hot spots. I think the big change will come from the people, all of us have a big power when we decide where to spend our money.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
I worry that this industry is grabbing whichever profitable gap in the world to squeeze it for a margin. We have to end up this.
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
Taking your time to be informed and take action. Not to spend a penny in companies that are violating human and child rights. This is the only solution, because if we are waiting the governments to apply the filters, to solve the problem, it will be too late.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Association is key, we are a lot of small brands trying to make a difference but we will have a bigger voice together at once. I think communication is crucial, because all these companies that are not performing in a good way, spend millions to take the public’s attention.
What topics most interest you?
I am personally interested and involved in Ocean Conservation. I am a diver and I am grateful for the connection I found within, whenever I am into the Ocean I came a more inspired, free-willed and motivated woman.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
Not specially a mentor but I have people I am thankful to find in some amazing people my path that helped me in professional and personal backing.
Have you mentored others?
I do not consider myself a mentor but I collaborate with Istituto Europeo de Design as a teacher to help students about creating a sustainable brand.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
Creating your own brand is a complicated path where you see yourself multi tasking in a crazy way. It is so important to find help of professionals in some areas you are not the best at. Going all alone could be tough.
Also the fact that we can be spending a lot in selecting the most eco friendly materials but to get our message out there, involves a lot of money that small brands do not have. I think we need associations and the industry’s attention to spread our word.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
I think that fashion can empower women. And women can empower a change, not just in fashion, but in the world.
I have been feeling this since I was a little girl, learning my first stitches by my grandma. I do not have much time to make my own things a part from job now, but when I can, I still feel that sewing is kind of therapeutic to me.
I think that Fashion is able to bound powerful women all around the world.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
For me it is important to know that I am working in a project it allows me to be honest in all the ways. No hiding any extra cost over the planet or the people. That makes you feel free.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I am most of my time busy with NOW_THEN, but I also work as a freelance consultant for specific projects.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
I am reading the book about the story of Yvon Chouinard of Patagonia, “I want my people go surfing”, I am enjoying it, I also want my people at NOW_THEN to go surfing!
Any recommended means of contacting NOW_THEN?
I would be happy to take this conversation further and connect with any interesting soul J please write to: hello@nowthenlabel.com
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
I am thrilled to be able to speak about sustainable fashion and NOW_THEN. Thank you so much and congratulations for Trusted Clothes, we need more association all around the world to speak out our word!
Thank you for your time, Andrea.
Thank you so much for the opportunity ![]()
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Bea was born in Australia as the youngest of 3 kids. She moved to Canada at the age of 7. She worked in the music touring industry for a while. In between the music touring, she designed for her fashion brand Beazworx. She then founded Heke Design. Here is her story.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
Born in Australia, youngest of 3 kids. Moved to Canada at 7 years old
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
After high school, I started working in the music touring industry. First as lighting tech, then wardrobe, production, tour manager and personal assistant. Toured for about 20 years all around Europe, Canada, USA, Australia and NZ. Worked with artists like k.d Lang, The Tragically Hip, Colin James, BNL and Leonard Cohen and Diana Krall.
As for my fashion background tho, I’m mostly self taught. I have been sewing since I was 10, and while living in Vancouver I did a short diploma in fashion merchandising.
Then in between touring I managed to design for my Vancouver fashion brand called Beazworx.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I have always been an avid recycler and 2nd hand shopper, so when I learned of the massive amount of clothing thrown out from op shops, I simply HAD to do something about it.
Since I had just moved to New Zealand and was looking for something to do…Heke design began, and I’ve since discovered there is a whole underground, and growing movement of upcyclers all over the world.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
We can not continue to use up the earth’s resources, damage the planet with chemicals and pestisides or exploit workers. So the more designers and companies doing this the more it will become the norm.
What seems like the importance of fair trade?
Caring for and supporting the makers. a general respect for all humans is just the right thing to do.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
The craft.
Slow fashion cares about the story behind the garment, there is a respect for the clothing, the craft and the maker.
The Brundtland Commission Report described the need for sustainability. In that, we, the human species, need to meet the “needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs” for long-term sustainability. Does this seem correct to you?
I think we have more than enough to meet our needs (with-out compromising the future), but the issue is our imaginary “needs” that are fueled by the corporate marketing machines.
What is Heke Design?
Heke design is an upcycled, one of a kind, affordable, colourful eco fashion.
What inspired the title of the organization?
I live on Waiheke island, so heke comes from that.
heke is a maori word meaning” to descend, migrate, coming to.” and Wai is water
What are some of its feature products?
Our hoody top is a popular one, I do a summer and winter version, Colourful with lots of interesting prints and T shirt images. Also the all wool sweatercoat.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
I use a lot of cotton T shirts, wool jumpers, jeans. For me, its about seeing what items are being thrown out en masse, and making them beautiful.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Heke Design?
I design everything.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
Women about 30-60. Usually with a definite eco interest, but also women that want something unique and colourful.
Did someone mentor you?
Not really, but I do have a business coach, and several supportive friends and fellow designers
Have you mentored others?
Not in an official way; although, I’ve had a few students approach me, and I’m always happy to offer any support and consulting to any upcyclers, I certainly love the collaborative brainstorming that can happen with artistic projects.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
The satisfaction of knowing how much i am keeping out of the landfill.
Any other work at this time?
I do some teaching and upcycle workshops.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
Email. beazworx@gmail.com.
What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Sometimes its overwhelming, the amount of waste, and i just can not take it all.
Thank you for your time, Bea
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2017/01/06
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
My great great grandfather opened a little haberdashery in Granollers, a city near Barcelona. His son called Amadeu took over the business and started to manufacture knit clothing in a small manufactory. I recently found some drawings and notes of the original designs of his sweaters from the 1930´s (attached IAIO amadeu). Since then, my father’s family worked in the textile industry, (I am the 5th generation).
IAIOS Brand was first created by my father in the 90´s, he was making t-shirts and sweaters but he was forced to close the production when the crisis of the textile affected the Catalan and Spanish textile industry. The local/foreign competition (multinationals) was so strong that it was not possible to produce locally anymore.
Last year I decided to make the revival of the Brand with a sustainable and ethical concept. IAIOS is made in by a local, small manufactory with regenerated wool.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I studied Art in Barcelona, my work was specialized in video art and decide to live in Mexico and in Germany. When I came back to Barcelona I was not sure what to do next, so I decided to start again something new with a focus on social values.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I grew up in the shop of my father, so I have been connected to the fashion world all my live. When the economic crisis hit Spain, it was difficult for my family. This made me think about our choices and decisions. I realized how neocapitalism centralizes the money into the hands of a few while the rest have to work hard and lose more and more rights everyday. The consumer has the power to decide the world he wants to live in and I was completely sure about the kind of system I did not want.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
I think my art studies are very helpful in my work, especially in my brand communication.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
I don’t think fashion designers and companies have to change people’s mind or teach them what to do. Each one should work on thinking which way they have to make this world a bit better, mine is through fashion. The small initiatives, the unknown people, the anonymous consumers are the ones who can change something.
The actual system is not sustainable by itself and there is a lot of people who is already realizing this. To give my money to fair trade companies and offer an alternative fashion product with quality, style and ethical values, in this crucial moments, should be enough for me.
What is the importance of fair trade?
It is the alternative to the actual system, which is unfair and non sense. Fair trade is the way to build a sustainable economy based on people. I am aware that there is a lot of work to be done concerning this issue because it means that we have to transform the current global structure.
What is IAIOS?
IAIOS is a brand of sweaters made with regenerated wool, that means that we use the surplus of other confections and we recycle it to make thread. IAIOS sweaters are made in local manufactories, which respect the rights of workers and reactivate the textile industry of the region that has suffered a lot from the new aggressive models of commerce.
What inspired the title of the organization?
IAIOS was the name of my father’s Brand. I decided to take the name of the Brand and apply a new fresh and modern concept.IAIOS is a name that we use in Spain to speak affectionately about an old person. That is why every sweater of the IAIOS collection is identified with an “old” person like artists, writers, philosophers and wise people who were able to leave a mark on our history and bring good things to the world.
I like the idea of how you can wear a Louise Bourgeois or a Víktor Korchnoi sweater because it lets you appreciate the value of wisdom and durable things made with care and consciousness for the environment.
What are some of its feature products?
I just make sweaters. I prefer to do a high quality product that is made to least long time than make a big collection. A IAIOS is just a basic sweater made with consciousness and ethics which fits with almost everything. But at the same time it is modern and stylish.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
The regenerated wool is a material made with recycled wool recovered from other confections. The wool is collected and separated by colours before it is being crushed and mixed with artificial fibres. With this mix, it is possible to achieve the twisting of the thread needed to start the knitting process.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of IAIOS?
The thread comes from a small manufactory in Olot, a region in Catalunya with textile tradition. The sweater is knitted and readymade in Igualada. An historical tissue industrial city of Catalunya that suffered much with the closure of the factories during the crisis of the textile industry. The tags are made in Mataró, the merchandising in Granollers and I design the sweaters and communicate the Brand from Barcelona.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
No, the artificial fibres will not biodegrade but they can be recycled.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
My customers come from Spain, most of them in Barcelona. (at the moment)
What topics most interest you?
Sustainable clothing (and Human rights).
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
It is sad that only when those tragedies happen the press and public opinion talk about the unfair and critical situation of these people.
Women and children remain the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
The ethical fashion is supposed to respect all human rights.
Who is a women’s rights and children’s rights activist or campaigner hero for you?
I was in Lesvos last summer as a volunteer for the refugees crisis. I knew many people working in projects who protect children and women who arrived to the isle. They are hero’s.
The Gender Inequality Index (GII) relates to the empowerment of women, gender equality, and international women’s rights. The progress for gender equity is positive. Regressive forces exist in explicit and implicit forms. What seem like some of the explicit and implicit forms observed in personal and professional life to you?
Women are in a disadvantage in their Jobs in Spain. For example the salary of the Spanish men is 19.3% higher than the women’s. Especially with the pregnancy issue, women have to go through difficult situations regarding their professional career. Last year our government tried to make abortion illegal. Being a single woman is kind of difficult in some situations of our normal life too.
Child labor and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labor. A few million children in the case of child slavery. According to the Minimum Age Convention (1973), labor before the age of 14, 15, or 16, dependent upon the country, is child labor. The Convention on the Rights of the Child (1989) represent the importance of children’s rights on the ‘international stage’ in Article 2(2), Article 3(1), and Article 3(2). In addition, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966) in Article 24(1-3) and International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (1966) in Article 10(3) delineate the importance of children’s rights too. These stipulations about equality remain violated in the fashion industry, especially the manufacturing sector or the garment industry. How can individuals get the word out about these extreme children’s rights violations?
One of the perks of today’s technological advancement is the fact that we can access and distribute information more easily. We should use this technology for spreading such information not looking at cat videos.
What mass movements or social movements can fight for the implementation of the children’s rights outside of the fashion industry?
Every mass movement starts from the individual. The Fashion industry is a part of our rigged economic system; there are many places in which children´s rights are violated, not just in the fashion industry.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
We should not only be ethical, also communicative and transparent in all aspects, so we can lead by example.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why? What might make men more involved in the fashion world in general?
To be honest, I do not think that is the case, if there is a gender difference in some countries, and then it is a cultural thing. I personally know a lot of men working in the fashion industry, also in my own family. It is true that in Spain for example most of the seamstresses are women, but I think it is something that has to do with the education the people received in Spain during the dictatorship of Franco (the women’s and men’s work were very sexist). But for example in Africa most of them are men.
What personal fulfilment comes from this work for you?
Every time I sell a IAIOS I steal a sale from Zara.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I organize conferences in my father’s shop about different issues (for free). I work in communication for some retails and I am always taking courses about various topics to learn new ways and improve myself.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
I recommend the program “Fashion Victims” from Jordi Évole in Salvados TV program:
http://www.lasexta.com/temas/salvados_fashion_victims-1
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, IAIOS?
I have information in my website and I also post videos and pictures about my sweaters and the way they are manufactured.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Consistency and constancy.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
The refugee crisis in Europe makes me so angry!
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
Gramschi… I also like Situationism.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Thank you for your interest in my work. It is very important what you are doing, so I want to give you my congratulations.
Thank you for your time, Gemma.
Thank you!
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Sutter Larkin believes that a positive image on the outside starts with feeling good on the inside. To get there, one-of-a kind designs are used to bring out the best in each individual who puts on a Sutter Larkin ensemble.
Head designer, Carrie Asby, brings Sutter Larkin to life by mixing colors and textures unexpectedly and creating harmonious results. Each design had its own playful twist. Read more in our interview below.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I was raised in the beautiful state of Oregon. My parents are outdoor enthusiasts and have respect for our role on this planet. “Take only memories; leave only footprints” was taught to me at a very young age. My mother also taught alternative energy to high school students through the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry. In our house, we didn’t just talk about the 3 R’s (reducing, reusing and recycling) we lived it. Being an environmentalist is not a title for me; it’s who I am.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
I’ve known that I’ve always wanted to be a designer. Right out of high school I moved to San Francisco to make an attempt. I wasn’t ready for it and got totally overwhelmed; I was 18 without any experience. With my tail between my legs, I returned to OR. I ended up getting into advertising.
After attending Burning Man in 2008, clothing design found its way back into my life. I was making costumes for the event as a way to express myself. I started wearing some of those items out.
20 years after I left San Francisco, I returned. This time wiser, with more life experience. One night out, my entire ensemble was designed and created by me. We were in a bar directly across the street from wear I lived when I was 18. A woman approached me, inquiring about my outfit. She was convinced I was an established designer.
That was my sign to get back into fashion. So I left my 20-year career in advertising and dove right in.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
There wasn’t another option for me, really. Being an environmentalist is who I am. Designing clothes is what I do. First starting out, I was surrounded by eco-designers, too. We were a community supporting each other and growing together. They definitely influenced me.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
First there’s the bottom line: you get a better return on your dollar spent. Slow fashion is better quality and will last longer. Slow fashion also tends to be local which helps with community and employment. It also has the ability to adapt and adjust; nimbler.
Climate change represents one of the biggest medium- to long-term threats to human survival in reasonable forms. The Government of Canada, NASA, the David Suzuki Foundation, The Royal Society, The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and numerous others discuss this. Ethical and sustainable fashion relates to it. The reductions in hydrocarbon production from sustainable materials seem imperative sustain the further deterioration of the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment. What seems like the responsibilities of ethical and sustainable fashion companies in the prevention of climate catastrophe?
Fast Fashion is the second dirtiest industry in the world, next to big oil. That pretty much sums it up, doesn’t it? If the fashion industry evolved to sustainable practices, images the impact.
What is Sutter Larkin?
Sutter Larkin celebrates individuals, not the masses. I create one-of-a-kind garments that enhance your one-of-a-kind style. Every piece as unique as the person who wears it.
As part of my “thoughtful design” practices and the love of this beautiful planet, I only work with responsibly purchased materials. This could be either rescued cast-offs or up-cycled vintage gems. I take the unwanted and turn them into the wanted.
What inspired the title of the organization?
Sutter and Larkin are two streets in San Francisco that cross. On that corner I failed as a designer. 20 years later, on that same corner, I was discovered as a designer. That’s where I get the same of my line, Sutter Larkin.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
I try to work with all natural fibers as much as I can. However, my first protocol is that they are being prevented from going into the landfill.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Sutter Larkin?
As of now, I do it all. I design for the collection then collect the materials. All of this is done be foot, bike or public transportation. I clean with vinegar and backing soda and air dry as much as possible. I cut, sew and assemble, as well as tag. Then I photograph and write text for each item and post to my store. Last, I market as much as I can.
Did someone mentor you?
No. I learned everything from rolling up my sleeves and diving right in.
Have you mentored others?
Not yet, but I plan to.
What might make men more involved in the fashion world in general?
More involved? I would say that men are heavily involved already. Despite the fact that most fashion brands are catering mostly to women, very few are led by them.
What might make men more involved in the ethical and sustainable fashion world in general?
The bottom line. Educating them on eco approaches that will be more profitable in the end.
Will having men in the discussion and on-the-ground improve the implementation of children’s and women’s rights?
Absolutely.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
When my fans send me notes on how they got stopped on the street because of the way they were carrying themselves; they were walking with confidence because they were wearing a Sutter Larkin just for them. I love hearing how good they feel.
Any other work at this time?
I teach yoga and style, as well.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Stacy London.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, you?
Right now, I would love consultation on how to get in front of my audience. Email is the best approach. carrie@SutterLarkin.com
What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Getting my collections in front of the right market; having people understand the price and value it.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
Yoga.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
A lot of content/questions. Are you familiar with the book Made to Stick? It’s a great guide to getting ideas/messages across clearly and concise. It’s a great read. I highly recommend it.
Thank you for your time, Carrie.
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Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I was born in UK and lived in Leicester until I went to Art school at 21 in London. My parents were teachers and we were brought up as atheists with a strong social philosophy, my parents did a lot of voluntary and charity work which we were very aware of and helped with.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I was always inspired by colour and pattern and theatre and joined a drama group very early on. I was lucky to be able to study theatre design at school and knew that’s what I wanted to do for my degree. At art school, while I was studying in London, I was given opportunities to do work experience on some films and made contacts in the industry.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
After having children, I knew going back into films was logistically too difficult and the environmental cost of making big budget films was too much for me to deal with at that time. I had always wanted to design pyjamas and when I researched how to make it happen I started to learn about how bad the fashion industry is
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
The most important thing working in films taught me was that you have to be a problem solver and every new project needed a completely new and innovative solution. This gave me a great base for solving the environmental problems I came up against in my fashion business.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
They are imperative to move the industry forward. Whether they do everything from behind the scenes of they sing it from the rooftops, every little bit helps.
What is the importance of fair trade?
I like the Fair Trade model because it places the importance on the lives of all who come into contact with it. The profits are secondary and this to me is the right way around.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
I am very inspired by Safia Minney from People Tree. She has achieved what I would like to in the future and she has shown me that it is possible to run a successful business and have big philosophies.
What is Moonbird Designs?
Moonbird designs loungewear, sleepwear and bedlinen for Adults and children, and now we do breastfeeding tops. We aim to increase our ranges to include daywear and swimwear in the next year or so.
Moonbird loungewear is made using GOTS certified organic cotton.
What inspired the title of the organization?
Birds have wings and can fly free, we like to think freedom to do what you want is at the heart of our business and Moon because we started with pyjamas.
What are some of its feature products?
Pyjamas, nighties, dressing gowns, adults and kids. Bedlinen and blankets and breastfeeding tops.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
Organic cotton only with a blend of lycra for our jersey tops.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Moonbird Designs?
The cotton is grown in southern India and some of it is hand woven in Hyderabad. The rest is printed and manufactured in Jaipur and Lucknow.
Moonbird works with fabulous women in Sydney and in India.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Yes, all apart from the lycra content, which we have had to add to give longevity to our garments and flexibility with designing.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Women over 30.
What topics most interest you?
I find it hard to pick one! I am very fired up about so many things. Healthy body image, LGBTQI equality issues, the environment, over use of plastics on our food. The list is endless.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
I have had a few and they are invaluable. I’m always looking to learn from people but in lots of ways because we are forging new territory every day we have to take lots of chances on things because they haven’t been done before.
Have you mentored others?
Yes, in small ways. I don’t have enough time to mentor anyone, but I love to give advice when I am asked.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
They are incredibly important but as I said before it’s important to move away from the old ways of doing things because if you don’t then you are just following the broken system. The fashion industry is the second biggest polluter in the world and we need to own our part in it and design a new way of doing things.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
They bring them into the news and then people become aware. There will be more tragedies in the future because the consumer is still feeding the beast. Until we change our shopping habits they will keep producing garments in this way that causes such horror.
Women and children remain the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
The gender equality gap is still large here in Australia and until we address the problems at home we cannot hope to improve the lives of those working in garment factories in 3rd world countries. The careers that usually employ women are often the lowest paid. Childcare workers are a case in point. It has always struck me as an idiotic idea that the people who are in charge of your most precious possession should be paid less per hour than your mechanic. What is more important? the education of your child or your car? But because childcare was always seen as a woman’s job it is paid minimally.
Who is a women’s rights and children’s rights activist or campaigner hero for you?
Malala Yousafzai. Her bravery and focused determination to give all girls a voice and an education inspires me.
The Gender Inequality Index (GII) relates to the empowerment of women, gender equality, and international women’s rights. The progress for gender equity is positive. Regressive forces exist in explicit and implicit forms. What seem like some of the explicit and implicit forms observed in personal and professional life to you?
Last night I watched the documentary ‘Embrace’ on body image. You only have to watch that film to see how completely rife the self-hatred of our (women’s) bodies is. It broke my heart to realise that girls are all their time thinking that they’re not good enough. No wonder that they find it difficult to speak up for themselves, at work, in relationships, in discussions. We think that we’re making progress but we have a very long way to go.
The development of capacities and freedoms for women are restricted through violation of fundamental rights. GII has three parts: economic status, empowerment, and reproductive health. Empowerment is measured by proportion of parliamentary seats occupied by women, and the proportion of adult women and men (age 25 and older) with some secondary education. Economic status is measured by the labor force participation rate of women and men aged 15 and older. Reproductive health is measured by maternal mortality ratio and adolescent birthrates. If women had access and implementation of these fundamental human rights, would their livelihood and quality of life, even working life in the garment factories, improve?
Yes, without a doubt.
Two factors seem to matter in the discussion of gender equality in societies: economies and rights. Many girls and women, especially in developing nations, face disadvantages unknown, or less well-known, to boys and men. Women face discrimination in education, health, the labor market, legal status, political representation, and reproductive rights. When women lose, everyone – boys, girls, men, and women – loses. What might bring this basic fact, with ubiquitous positive consequences, into the public discourse in ‘developed’ and ‘developing’ nations?
I would love to see a comparison chart for all countries in the world showing the laws that govern the status and rights of women. There are laws in every country that would shock people to know how the rights of women are restricted.
A few years ago I found out that in Italy if a woman owns a property by solely, that when she wants to sell it she has to get her husband’s permission! (This may have changed but was the case 10 years ago.) These unfair laws are the kind of thing that teach women that they are not equal.
According to Global Affairs Canada (Government of Canada) in the article entitled Women’s Economic Empowerment: Guidance Note (2016), women comprise 1/3 of formal business owners, 2/5 of the global workforce, and have responsibility for 8/10 of spending for consumers. Economies and societies lose potential “development and growth” without women. Possible national moral authority lost, too. Rights and economies imply each another. Rights for girls and women develops economies and, therefore, societies. Likewise, economic and societal development gives grounds for implementation of girl’s and women’s rights. What educational campaigns and pragmatic initiatives might the fashion industry encourage and support to improve the chances for girls and women?
The fashion industry has on the whole contributed to the problem of women’s self worth and ultimately their disempowerment. Their continued use of thin white models has given generations of girls the idea that their worth is related to their physical appearance. The tide is beginning to change though and hopefully it will become a tsunami.
According to the Minimum Age Convention (1973), labor before the age of 14, 15, or 16, dependent upon the country, is child labor. Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. Women bear the burden of childbirth in addition to the majority of childcare in the world. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights, and the fashion industry?
It shouldn’t be just up to the fashion industry to bear the brunt on this. I would like to see other industries where the majority of their products are manufactured in developing countries start the conversations about who makes their products. For example, gifts and electronics. Why can’t we start to have TV’s that make their casings from recycled plastic? Why can’t we have christmas decorations made with safe paints and recycled metal/plastics. Until we as consumers start asking brands for this they won’t change their practises.
Child labor and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labor. A few million children in the case of child slavery. According to the Minimum Age Convention (1973), labor before the age of 14, 15, or 16, dependent upon the country, is child labor. The Convention on the Rights of the Child (1989) represent the importance of children’s rights on the ‘international stage’ in Article 2(2), Article 3(1), and Article 3(2). In addition, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966) in Article 24(1-3) and International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (1966) in Article 10(3) delineate the importance of children’s rights too. These stipulations about equality remain violated in the fashion industry, especially the manufacturing sector or the garment industry. How can individuals get the word out about these extreme children’s rights violations?
There is a fine line between bashing consumers round the head with all these appalling stories and facts and educating them, so my vote would be for making ethical and sustainable fashion education mandatory in every fashion college. If we can educate the designers they can’t pretend they didn’t know.
What mass movements or social movements can fight for the implementation of the children’s rights outside of the fashion industry?
People power. Facebook has the power to change the world by uniting people everywhere through businesses, blogs and friendship groups. Never again will people be alone in their thoughts. We can now find like minded people everywhere and educate our friends.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
It ticks all my boxes, social justice, art, colour and the environment. All of these things are equally important to me.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
Being a Mum to my beautiful kids, they fill me with joy every day.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Author Lisa Heinze. She wrote ‘Sustainability with Style’. She writes about her journey to consciousness which made me laugh and cry and was so similar to my own.
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Believing in myself!
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
Anxiety. If I didn’t have such strong beliefs I would have packed it all up years ago, but I am too determined to make a difference, I didn’t want to let the worries hold me back in the end.
Thank you for your time, Rachel.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/12/30
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I am Canadian, but am married to a Brit, so now make my home in the UK. We have four children between us. The Fableists is a family business.
Tell us about your story – education, prior work, and so on?
I met my husband working in the advertising industry. We still have a business in that area, covering news stories about global advertising and commercial production, as well as connecting people to work on projects.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
We have always tried to buy well, whether it was food, beauty products, or fashion. We are not fans of the disposable, like a bit of provenance and are drawn to vintage items for our home and what we wear. We did not set out on a mission to make ethical and sustainable clothing, we just wanted to make nice clothes that were built to last and that could take all the abuse that children hurl at their clothes. The clothes available to buy for our children all just seemed to have such shoddy craftsmanship. It initially started because we wanted clothes that would last down the line of four children, regardless of gender. When we started to research having clothes made, we came across a lot of information about ethics and sustainability. We could not stand the idea that if we weren’t careful children somewhere could be making clothes for our children.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies? What seems like the importance of fair trade? What seems like the importance of a (relative to the country) living wage?
As far as I’m concerned, fair trade, living wages and sustainability are just how anyone should do business. We wanted to produce a quality product that we would feel good about putting on our own children. I don’t know how anyone could think differently, if I’m honest. Countries like the UK began outsourcing manufacturing to other countries, where things could be made more cheaply. Now Britain has lost those trades altogether, so all the skilled labour is in the so-called Third World Countries. We researched having our clothes made in Britain and everyone advised us to get them made in India because that is where the skill is – not because it’s cheaper. Regardless of laws, or watch dogs, we should just be paying a fair price for a product or service that we simply cannot get at home.
As for the certification that you can apply to have on your products, I’m not a massive fan. The factory that we use in India is certified by Fair Trade and GOTS. They have to pay every year to have these certificates up to date – and it’s expensive. I would rather see the money they spend for their badge being put in to something more valuable but they cannot continue to do the work they do without the badge.
The Fableists have not paid to have our items certified by any organisation but make sure that all of our suppliers have the certification and we have inspected the factories ourselves. We haven’t done that to earn a badge but to make sure that we are working with people that we can trust and therefore make products that we can believe in.
What makes slow fashion better than fast fashion?
On the superficial side, the clothes are better made and more original. Makers who care about quality generally also care about provenance. I applaud all the high street brands adding sustainable lines to their ranges but at the end of the day, anyone making and selling mass quantities of clothing is profiting at the expense of someone else.
What is the importance of animal rights, especially in an ethical and sustainable fashion context?
I think that a lot of people would see it as hypocritical of me to comment because I am a meat eater.
Climate change represents one of the biggest medium- to long-term threats to human survival in reasonable forms. The Government of Canada, NASA, the David Suzuki Foundation, The Royal Society, The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and numerous others discuss this. Ethical and sustainable fashion relates to it. The reductions in hydrocarbon production from sustainable materials seem imperative sustain the further deterioration of the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment. What seems like the responsibilities of ethical and sustainable fashion companies in the prevention of climate catastrophe?
Everyone has a responsibility to do what they can to prevent climate change, and businesses should be held accountable for any damage that they do to the local environment where they manufacture clothing. Any environmental damage also affects the lives of the people living in the area. We use only organic cotton in our clothing in order to reduce the damage done to the land where the cotton is grown. Cotton requires a lot of water but the cotton we use is grown in monsoon-fed regions of India. The company that makes our t-shirts has been certified Carbon Neutral. These factories and companies were not difficult to find.
The Brundtland Commission Report described the need for sustainability. In that, we, the human species, need to meet the “needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs” for long-term sustainability. Does this seem correct to you?
One of my favourite chapters in the story of The Fableists is that the cotton we use is grown by a collective of organic farmers. These are small holding, family farms that would not have been able to survive without the collective. Farming in India has a suicide rate that is well-documented. Farmers cannot battle the cycle of debt on their own. They are not getting enough for their crops to sustain their farms. On top of that, they are using harmful chemicals that are being stored close to humans and livestock. The Collective has taught them organic farming principles, so that they can earn a higher rate for their produce. They have taught them to diversity their crops, more efficiently farm the land, and also to care for the land, with rotating crop cycles. The Collective supports the farmers in order to maintain farming in their country.
How can ethical and sustainable fashion contribute to the long-term sustainable future for the atmosphere, the biosphere, and the environment?
I think that consumers don’t want to hear about ethics and sustainability. They are more concerned with how much they have than worrying about what they have. There has to be a sea change in the way that people think and act. So those in ethical and sustainable fashion need to focus on making more approachable and available clothing, rather than statement fashion.
The Sustainable Apparel Coalition invented The Higg Index. It assesses some products’ sustainability throughout the products’ lifecycle. The European Outdoor Group and the Outdoor Industry Association developed an index of products’ impacts on the environment throughout their lifecycle, the Eco Index. Large regions with serious attempts to implement standards and quantitative analysis of sustainability of products throughout their lifecycle. Certifications, or standards and labelling, remain important, which associate with analysis. These include Fairtrade International, MADE-BY, the Ethical Trading Initiative Base Code, the Soil Association label and the EKOlabel, the Oko-Tex standard 100 mark, and the European Eco-Label for Textile Products, and more. There’s many. Do these help systematize and clarify, or obfuscate and confuse?
I think that they are useful so that consumers know what they are buying but being rated, certified or included is so expensive and there are new standards being created all the time that it just becomes hard work and impossible for the producer. I also think that the vast majority of consumers know nothing of what these are, apart from Fair Trade.
The Ethical Fashion Forum developed the Ethical Policy Framework. An ethical policy framework tool for those devoted to enactment of ethical and sustainable purchases, production, and business decisions. What do services such as these perform for the public, consumers, producers, and businesspeople?
I think the biggest problem is that most consumers have no idea about any of these initiatives, or even that what they are buying could contravene any kind of ethical policies.
What is The Fableists?
Sustainably made clothing for children that is well made and made well. The clothes are built for children to be children in. They are tough and beautiful. They are inspired by vintage workwear. We love the story of OshKosh, who initially made work wear. They decided to do a limited range of their engineer stripe dungarees so that children could ‘dress like dad’. The demand was huge, so they launched an entire range for children. In the creative industry, which is our background, a lot of people dress in clothes that resemble our range. On the day of our photoshoot, my daughter had an outfit assigned to her. When she put it on, we realized that she was wearing exactly what her father was wearing that day.
What inspired the title of the organization?
We tell the story of our clothes. And it’s a story with a moral.
What are some of its feature products?
Artist-designed and limited edition t-shirts and denim shirts, dresses, skirts, jeans and jackets. Super soft cotton tops in classic designs that are reminiscent of our own 1970s childhoods when kids were just allowed to be kids.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
Organic cotton.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of The Fableists?
We come up with the designs and then hire someone to make the patterns for us. The samples are tried out by our own children. The cotton is grown and harvested by small hold farmers in India who are part of a collective of organic farmers. The clothes are manufactured by a factory in India that is certified by GOTS and Fair Trade. The factory and the collective have reciprocal ownership in each other’s enterprise in an effort to help bolster their effort to keep high quality, ethical manufacture and sustainable production alive and well (and growing) in India.
Water use in production is an issue. What is the importance of reducing excess water use in the production of fashion?
The farms and factories are all located in monsoon-fed regions of India.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Yes. Of course, this will take time. We have also made sure that our clothes will last. Each item comes with its own ‘passport’ so that children can record their names and the dates that they owned the products. They are meant to be passed on to another child.
What is the customer base – the demographics?
I have no idea! We sell online, so I don’t know who any of the people are but they are mostly in the UK. We also have stockists in The Netherlands, Switzerland, Canada and Singapore.
Did someone mentor you?
No. In fact, not seeking more advice from those with the knowledge was our biggest mistake and has cost us immensely.
Have you mentored others?
My husband has worked with the WWF, speaking to the students in their university programmes in France and the UK.
What seems like the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional and personal development?
It is key. Had we sought advice, we would have done a lot of things differently and our business model would have been completely different. We created this as a passion project more than a business.
The Triple Bottom Line defines three performance dimensions: the social, environmental, and commercial/financial. In contradistinction to the standard commercial/financial analysis alone, the Triple Bottom Line incorporates environmental and social performance too. Why should ethical and sustainable (and other) fashion designers and companies include the Triple Bottom Line analysis in individual and business performance?
We put all of our emphasis on the social and environmental and as such our business has not been profitable! The sustainable fashion world is very closed off, from our experience. There are many experts at the centre of the UK industry but they are very difficult to be in touch with. Having the support of someone from the beginning could really have helped us to get our product off the ground. We have had some unbelievable press and have two lovely films for our company but because we have not been willing or able to pay for membership in many organisations, we have not been able to gain any support. I think this is really the wrong way to promote something as important as sustainable fashion.
Thank you for your time, Sarah.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/12/27
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
I grew up on picturesque and pristine sheep farming high country on the edge of the southern Alps in the South Island of New Zealand. Until relatively recently New Zealand was primarily bicultural, with our First Nation people the Maori having arrived here first, then came settlers from United Kingdom. My forbears arrived from UK in two of the first four ships of European settlers to arrive in New Zealand. I spoke English as did everyone around me, only recently have I been learning some Maori language.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I initially went to the local one room country school, reached by quite a long walk then a school bus trip, then at eight years old I was sent to boarding school in Christchurch, a city 100K away. As a child I had an idyllic life in the high country, swimming in crystal clear rivers; with a clear blue sky and surrounded by nature. I graduated as a registered nurse then went to work in cardiology until my first child was born.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I had started my business soon after our second child was born, and was exporting to other countries very soon after. As I travelled around the world selling our knitwear visiting each country and area once a year I was watching I could see the environmental degradation going on, and I became really concerned about the trajectory the planet was on. I was also concerned at what our industry was doing to the planet, in particular cotton growing.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
Very little! I was selling dressed soft toys at the age of 12; and I designed and made all my own clothes but from there is has all been learning as I go. I started in business there were very few women in business here, and women were not well regarded as a good business risk. It was a little bit tough to overcome these issues.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
It is tougher to run a sustainable business and was much tougher back in the late 90’s and even the 00’s, but it is absolutely essential that sustainable and ethical fashion designers and businesses have pioneered a way for others to follow, as business is now the most powerful vehicle for change in the world, where once before it was government or religion.
What is the importance of fair trade?
Exploitation of workers is incredibly short sighted on every level.
What is Untouched World?
Untouched World is a casual luxury lifestyle brand based on a foundation of sustainability. The core of our collections is based around natural fibre knitwear, which we produce ourselves here in New Zealand, and our aesthetic is less is more, minimal.
What inspired the title of the organization?
Untouched World started out as a certified organic undyed mid micron wool collection of knitwear way back in 1996. The name spoke to us of what we would like to make a contribution to achieve for the world.
What are some of its feature products?
We are known for our knitwear in luxury fibres that stand the test of time, fibres that deliver the garments that have longevity, with lightness and high performance characteristics, we have some innovative yarns and use a lot of fine beautifully high quality New Zealand merino grown with minimal intervention in the Southern Alps.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
We use mostly New Zealand merino and possum fibre, along with some organic cotton. We are constantly looking into new sustainable fibres.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Untouched World?
The merino wool and possum, raw materials are grown in New Zealand, designed in New Zealand, knitted by us here in New Zealand. Possum fibre is a recovered fibre which would otherwise waste, possums are an ecological threat to New Zealand and there are government eradication programmes to reduce numbers. Possums were introduced from Australia and populations have exploded. We spent several years developing a blend of possum and merino which is truly sensational.
For our organic cotton Project U garments, we make them from certified organic cotton grown in India, and made by women in India who are being given a trade to get them out of sexual slavery, they are paid well, above the living wage; their children are offered education and there are development programmes for the women.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
We do a full lifecycle analysis on all our products and the bulk of our products will biodegrade, and if they don’t they will recycle.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
We sell from 18 years all the way up, but 35 to 50 is our core age group of customers. Our customer base is about an attitude to life and the world, rather than an age demographic. Our customers are generally busy people, travel a lot, are globally aware, and want clothes that multitask I style right across the day, and with ease across climates.
What topics most interest you?
I love art and design, outside of this my number one interest is water.
Untouched world funds a Charitable Trust which concepts and delivers leadership for a sustainable future programmes for young adults. Two of our four programmes are called Waterwise. We are a founding member of the UNESCO GAP programme and on their website as one of three global exemplars in ESD.
Have you mentored others?
Yes, constantly mentoring both in fashion and sustainability
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Phew this is a thesis!
Cheers
Peri
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/12/22
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I received my B.A. from UCLA in Design | Media Arts, where I began developing my interest in fashion and working at several fashion internships in LA.
I then began my career as a UX Visual Designer in the San Francisco/Bay Area while studying Fashion Design and Patternmaking. After several years of creating clean user experiences for clients in the e-commerce market, I felt ready to translate that knowledge into my own online store. 1×1, a clothing line I had been formulating for years, began when I moved back to Los Angeles one year ago.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I started my line knowing I wanted to manufacture locally, and was incredibly lucky to meet with factories that delivered high quality services and directed me to some amazing sustainable material sources.
Our wool source, Imperial Stock Ranch is a great example of this. After hearing their story, it’s hard not to want to work with them. They have adapted sustainable farming practices that reduce erosion and fossil fuels, improve stream water quality and benefit local fish and wildlife populations.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
Working to solve UI/UX challenges for large ecommerce sites, I had the invaluable experience of learning what makes a customer comfortable in a digital space and what encourages them to click the buy button.
I also observed my coworker’s online buying habits. Working in a creative office in San Francisco, people are excited to discover new products and brands. As a result, the designs for 1×1 are largely inspired by the people I worked with — creative individuals who value quality over quantity and are looking for something timeless yet unique to reflect their own personal style. Wardrobe staples they’ll want to reach for again and again.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
More and more, consumers are becoming aware of the truth behind fast fashion: unfair wages and conditions for workers, and the excessive waste this trend produces.
Sustainable brands can begin a dialogue with customers and offer alternatives, but they are still hard pressed to compete with the low prices that come from fast fashion practices. To see impactful change throughout the industry as a whole, larger companies need to step up and make changes.
H&M’s sustainable line, or ASOS’s Eco Edit show that companies are eager to market sustainability to consumers, but it’s hard to gather exactly what they have done to take significant steps towards fair labor or waste reduction. However, it does show us that there is a demand among consumers to have sustainable options, and they may be encouraged to research products before purchasing.
What is 1×1?
We select some of our favorite wardrobe staples and design and release them — one by one.
Sustainability and local manufacturing are at the heart of what we do. We source ecologically responsible materials whenever possible, and we want our customers to know our product’s stories. Releasing items one at a time helps tell that story.
We don’t follow the traditional fashion calendar, releasing Autumn in the Summer and Spring in the Winter. Instead, we create items when inspiration strikes, hand in hand with local manufacturers. This allows us to have fast turnaround times, and create timeless fashions that are relevant all year round.
What are some of its feature products?
Right now we have two collections available: Wool and Shirts.
Our wool collection was our first release. It features 100% sustainable wool from Oregon.
By supporting farmers who produce a beautiful, quality product in a sustainable way, we are stimulating an industry that has been in steady decline since the 1940s. The United States used to be the world’s fifth largest wool producer. Today, it accounts for less than 1% of wool production.
Our shirts are an essential collection of crisp, minimal designs. The fabric we use is a Tencel/Rayon blend that is very soft to the touch with a nice drape. Tencel is a sustainable fabric that is regenerated from wood cellulose. It is similar in touch to rayon and bamboo, both regenerated fabrics.
What topics most interest you?
Design, Innovative Fashion Technology, Sustainable Materials
Did you have a mentor in this work?
Suzy Furrer, Founder and Director of Apparel Arts where I studied Pattern Making and Design, is an amazing teacher who is giving students practical tools they can use to become employed by the industry or start their own business. I found her courses incredibly inspiring, as well as the support from all the teachers in this program.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
While fashion is an industry where women make up an overwhelming majority of the consumer base, men are still disproportionately dominating leadership roles in fashion.
“Even though women are entering the industry at the bottom, they are not rising proportionally to the top,” wrote Eric Wilson in a 2005 column for the New York Times. Over a decade later, things have unfortunately not changed.
Business of Fashion analyzed the proportions of male and female designers for the Spring/Summer 2017 Fashion week season—they found there were more male designers creating women’s clothing than women. Julie de Libran, artistic director of Sonia Rykiel remarked “Women unfortunately are still seen as a minority…even if certain fashion houses were created by women at their time, today they often have creative leaders that are men.”
So why do we see a lack of women at the executive level? Some believe there is a correlation between fewer female designers leading companies and men’s current majority holding of executive positions. Although this is the overwhelming trend in most industries, we can hope that women will begin to obtain more leadership positions in an industry that speaks directly to their sense of style and self expression.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas?
Women in Clothes by Sheila Heti – a conversation among women about how choosing the garments we wear shapes our daily lives.
To Die for: Is Fashion Wearing Out the World? by Lucy Siegle – a book about the current price of big name brands and what we can do to become more sustainable.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
As our brand grows, I am very excited to develop new relationships with those who have dedicated time and research to innovative and sustainable fashion practices. Together, we can bring awareness to our consumers and change the way the fashion industry does business.
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/12/21
Founded in 2016, Margu is a womenswear line created and designed by Emily DeLong. Combining classic silhouettes with vintage-inspired details, her clothing strikes a balance between playful femininity and quiet sophistication. Fabrics, notions, and trims are sustainably sourced from all over the world, and every garment is designed, cut, and sewn in her tiny studio in Fayetteville, Arkansas.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
My interest in ethical and sustainable fashion developed pretty slowly, over the course of several years. I’ve been interested in fashion and shopping for a long time, and I’ve always thought of clothes as a vehicle for self-expression. A few years ago, I realized I had amassed a lot of clothing, a lot of which I wasn’t wearing, and a lot of which was falling apart way too quickly.
Around this time, I picked up sewing again after a long hiatus, and I started sewing the clothing I wished I could find in stores: fun, well-fitting, not ridiculously trendy, and well-made. Sewing allowed me to connect with clothing in a way I hadn’t before, as I began to realize just how much of a hands-on labor and craft it is, both in regards to the clothes I was making and to all the clothes I had bought over the years.
At the same time, I began reading and learning more about all the environmental and human rights issues at the heart of the fashion industry, and I began buying less and less to the point where now I only buy things I truly need. By the time I decided to start my clothing line, I knew there was no other option than to make it as sustainable and ethical as possible.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
To provide alternative choices to conventional and fast fashion. The more ethical and sustainable brands there are out there, the easier it will be to find ethical and sustainable products, with the idea that hopefully someday the ethical and sustainable option is the only option.
What is Margu?
Margu is a womenswear line that was founded in 2016. We create clothing slowly and thoughtfully, combining classic silhouettes with vintage-inspired details. We hold perfect fit and self-expression dear to us. We pride ourselves in offering clothing sourced from sustainable fabrics and notions, with everything cut and sewn in the USA.
What inspired the title of the organization?
Margu is a nickname of mine. I felt kind of weird naming the label after my real name, but at the same time the label truly is my personal creative project, so naming it Margu was a happy compromise.
What are some of its feature products?
We make a variety of dresses, skirts, pants, and tops that are as wearable as they are beautiful. Fit, function, and the ability to style pieces in multiple ways are all important to me. I’m particularly fond of buttons, so you’ll find a lot of button-front dresses and tops in our collections!
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
We exclusively use natural fibers, such as cotton, linen, silk, and hemp, in our collections. We focus our sourcing on high-quality materials that minimize resource use and pollution and that decompose back into the earth as quickly as possible. Many of our fabrics are GOTS (Global Organic Textile Standard) certified, such as our cotton double gauze lining fabric and our organic cotton twill.
I make a point of having several fabrics from each collection be handloom fabrics: spun and woven by hand in India, they utilize an age-old process that preserves traditional crafts, creates well-paying jobs in rural areas, and uses no electricity to produce.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Margu?
All our pieces are designed, cut, and sewn in our tiny studio in Arkansas, USA. The fabrics and notions we use are sourced from all around the world; most of our fabrics and fibers right now are ethically sourced from India.
Getting a better grasp on our supply chain and providing that information to our customers is one of my biggest priorities; in the near future we hope to be able to map the life cycle of all our products, from seed to garment.
Will the fibres and fabrics for the products from the company biodegrade?
Yes! Since we use exclusively natural fibers and almost-exclusively natural notions, our products are designed to return to the earth much more quickly than conventional garments. Our garments are also designed to last a lot longer than conventional garments, too, which results in less waste and fewer resources used in the long term.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
The Margu customer is a thoughtful, creative woman who uses clothing as a way to express her identity. She desires high-quality clothing and is interested in the story behind it. She sees the value in ethically produced garments and is always searching for ways to lessen her environmental footprint without compromising her style.
There are twelve styles in our upcoming FW16 collection, which means there are twelve paper patterns in our studio, each hand-drafted and graded and hanging on a little hook.
What topics most interest you?
My two biggest personal grievances with the fashion industry are the amount of overconsumption and needless spending on the consumer end and the race-to-the-bottom mentality in regards to price and quality on the retailer end. Buying less, buying better, and respecting the craft of those who make our clothing are all important to me.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
Many of the biggest garment-factory tragedies have been real-eye openers to those unaware of the problems in the garment industry and have helped create real change. The Triangle Shirtwaist fire led to a lot of much-needed laws regulations that surely prevented future tragedies.
The Rana Plaza disaster has unfortunately not sparked as much change in factory oversight in Bangladesh or the murky subcontracting practices of some of the world’s biggest retailers as it should have, but the incident did open the eyes of a lot of people who had no idea that their clothes were (and still are) being made in such terrible environments.
There is still so much to be done to protect workers’ safety and rights around the world, however, and waiting for the next disaster to happen before we enact real change is unacceptable.
Child labor and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labor. A few million children in the case of child slavery. According to the Minimum Age Convention (1973), labor before the age of 14, 15, or 16, dependent upon the country, is child labor. The Convention on the Rights of the Child (1989) represent the importance of children’s rights on the ‘international stage’ in Article 2(2), Article 3(1), and Article 3(2). In addition, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966) in Article 24(1-3) and International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (1966) in Article 10(3) delineate the importance of children’s rights too. These stipulations about equality remain violated in the fashion industry, especially the manufacturing sector or the garment industry. How can individuals get the word out about these extreme children’s rights violations?
Issues like child labor and slavery are so difficult to grasp in the Western world because we feel so disconnected with it. As consumers, it can be hard to comprehend that basically every product we see on the shelves of a store was made by a human.
I think the best way to shed light on the human rights crisis that is child labor is to continue to humanize our products and always remember (and remind others) that behind everything you own is a person and a story, however bad or good.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Be informed, ask questions, and lead by example.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
It’s great to be able to go to work every day and be a part of something bigger than myself. I alone cannot change the world, but I can help to create the changes in the fashion industry that I wish to see.
Thank you for your time, Emily.
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/12/19
Tell us about your partnership and how you got started?
We met at a conference on ecology and environment in Vitoria, a beautiful city in northern Spain. We had already spoken on other occasions, since we both volunteered in a state organization but it was the first time we could share a joint space.
At that moment, we realized that we had many things and common desires, being few months later when we started to consider creating a business project together.
We found the union of knowledge about the agriculture of Javi, born in Valladolid, and all his training in relation to climate change, sustainable development and environmental management, with the health conscience and person of Esther, born in Madrid, a pediatric nurse and neonatal for main profession, with training in the field of children’s psychomotricity, fair trade and development of personal and social skills.
All this, together with an extreme sensitivity and affection for the work well done, care with respect to the animals and the desire that the Spanish handicraft be respected and endured, as an intangible heritage of great value. All of them represent common values that we believe enrich the project that we carry out today.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Our concern for the environment and people led us to find local consumption alternatives related to our food or electricity consumption. But we were missing something and like we say “We are what we eat” we can also say “we are what we wear” so we started to investigate in raw materials, farming methods, collection and production, impacts on the environment and people, textile consumption alternatives, organizations and associations, and we begin to discover all the social injustices behind the world of fashion.
In the case of Spain, after months of study, we came to the conclusion that wool was one of the few raw materials that we could transform locally in an integral way, besides having, at present, in its management a problem in which we could Have a positive impact on a project to recover the fiber and the wool textile industry that still exists in our peninsula.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
In my case, Javi, my studies in agriculture led me to think that this is not what I wanted for the Earth, animals and people. The intensive production methods, the use of pesticides, herbicides, chemicals to squeeze our soils to the maximum, the excessive use of natural resources, as well as the forms of animal care used by intensive livestock, made me wonder a lot.
Especially to think that there was another way to obtain natural resources without wasting them, but on the contrary, generating closed cycles of product that do not generate eternal waste and give back to the earth in a positive way what is created from it.
On the other hand, in the case of Esther, studies related to health, maternity, childhood and how the habits of health and the environment influence her, make us as a team aware of the need to create textiles that empower our health and abilities, for which the wool has spectacular intrinsic qualities, suitable for any moment of life, even with very positive and almost unknown effects for the protection of health.
In addition, the therapeutic capacity of weaving and the possibilities of creative development that wool provides for all ages, social classes and genders are well known.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
There is a whole social and business movement that offers and demands a change in the form of production, marketing and consumption. Gradually we are growing, organizing to gain visibility and we know that we have in our hand the power of social transformation, and offer a more fashionable view of fashion; Being an example of that can be made garments of any style and complements of design, obtaining a great benefit for the people and the planet.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Our heroines and heroes are those people who are already occupying a space within sustainable fashion, putting their grain of sand and effort in demonstrating that another fashion is possible.
As Eduardo Galeano says: “Many small people, in small places, doing small things, can change the world”.
What is dLana?
We are a company that works to recover the value of wool as raw material in our country.
And we recover its value both through our work of disseminating information about the properties, history, traditions and wealth that is generated around the culture of wool; As well as a very careful and studied work of production of different spinning and sale of selected products, genuine and modern high quality, in addition to other services.
What are some of its feature products?
Mainly dLana offers multiple options for work and enjoyment with pure sheep wool.
From woolen top to spinning or making crafts, going through woolen yarns for knitting or crochet; To textile garments and accessories of 100% wool of own design or a creation service for designers and brands who wish to work with our yarn.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
For the moment, we mainly sell in our country, Spain, with specific orders from some clients and stores in France, Malta, Italy, Portugal and Japan.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
Human and worker rights are for us and for the sustainable fashion movement, universal and indisputable.
Our company is born under the principles of the economy of the common good, where not only people are taken into account, but also the environment, and the effects that this productive activity exerts on all the people who participate in it, looking for a win-win at all times.
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
We know, thanks to our work in relation to fair trade, that women and children are the most disadvantaged in any situation of vulnerability, although paradoxically they are the ones that contribute the most work and development socially.
We understand that professional development should not put women in a situation of fragility, simply because it is a basic need.
The sustainable fashion, is framed in criteria of respect to the environment and protection of the workers’ rights, where a series of criteria of safety, equality and protection of the health of the workers are fulfilled, in which everything related is included with motherhood and the care of the children.
In our case, local production allows us to create products with complete traceability, in which we could tell our clients, with name and surnames, all the people who have intervened in each process until they reach their hands.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
We believe that there is a direct relationship between the rights of women and children, since in most countries they are the main responsible for the upbringing and care of the home, in general. Some highly developed countries in social legislation are gradually implementing plans to incorporate men into these care, but much remains to be done, starting with gender education in schools and within families, and with the obligation to companies not to penalize the reproductive processes in women, nor in families with girls and boys of school age.
On the other hand, and returning to those families and countries more impoverished, we cannot fail to see that mother who works the field carrying her baby in the back, or glimpse a path of hope and decent work as offered by companies such as Creative Handicraft in Bombay.
Every day the examples of another possible society increase and in dLana we are betting on modern and inclusive social models.
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
People can stay informed through NGDOs like Amnesty International, or through more specific campaigns in the textile sector like Clean Clothes Campaign (cleanclothes.org) and make decisions regarding their consumption acts.
But, in any case, we believe that there is an international law that is violated systematically throughout the world.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
The people who work at dLana are very committed to all these issues and we believe that there are very different ways of solving, all of them complementary.
On the part of the consumers it is necessary that there is more curiosity in what is behind the garments that they buy and also that with that information they seal quality stamps and responsible commerce in their purchases.
On the part of the designers and brands we believe it necessary that there is a demand in the traceability of the forms of production of the fabrics and threads that they use, as well as in the manufacturing of the garments.
By companies, strict compliance with human rights and workers, regardless of whether they are workers in your account or outsource services to other companies.
To the international justice, in this sense there is a need for fraud and crimes to be pursued, with exemplary penalties for each of the parties involved in cases such as Rana Plaza.
And of course and not least, ask that every day there is a greater demand for compliance and improvement of working conditions by the employees themselves respecting also their right to strike.
What topics most interest you?
There are many interests that move us every day, but we believe that the most important is love. The beauty of life and being able to walk through it in a positive and calm way.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
We have learned a lot of self-taught searching for information on the internet, in books and especially doing a very important field research.
We have spent many hours listening to shepherds and artisans who have opened the doors to their homes and their lives, sharing their efforts and with those who have created a link of collaboration directly or indirectly. Something that we will never stop doing, as we continue to learn from everything we live and travel, which we consider fundamental.
Have you mentored others?
We believe that for the moment we can offer and share, but not mentorize, the experience is a degree and dLana has much to work and still learn.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
It is important to have referrals, identify people who can influence you in a positive way and offer serious collaborations that bring benefits to all parties. All experience and information that helps you explore in your professional and personal field, which helps you grow and become a better person is something to take advantage of.
From prsonal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
In this case, we cannot give you an absolute answer. We are relatively new to the sector and we imagine that there are sociological reasons that would answer this question.
While it is true that in our homes we have always seen that only women knit or sew, while men were more concerned with arranging other matters more related to physical strength.
However, we know that in other cultures it is also men who perform many textile works.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
With dLana we are demonstrating many things. Face to the public, we can work with the wool of our country in a satisfactory way, with quality and fully in the territory with our textile craftsmen, offering a complete traceability among many other things.
And in a more personal way, being able to fulfill the dream of helping people, respecting the planet, putting your little bit of sand to generate social change and knowing that you can overcome every day.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
Right now in dLana, Javi works continuously and on the other hand, Esther combines her work as a pediatric nurse in a public hospital, with all the activities and travels of representation of dLana.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Sass Brown and his book Eco Fashion was one of the first on sustainable fashion that we could read in our research.
But at the level of our country and without personifying in particular, we would like to emphasize all the work that the different Sustainable Fashion Associations are doing in our country working as a team, each in their region.
Any recommended means of contacting dLana?
You can contact dLana on any of our social networks: facebook, Instagram and email info@dlana.es or visit our website www.dlana.es
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
We have liked your questions, both those that have allowed us to open in a personal way as those that have offered dLana express their opinion within the world of fashion.
A style of interview different from the usual that has helped us to reflect, recover and expose many terms and knowledge that the vortex of our day to day perhaps we forget to convey but that always go in the backpack of our woolly way.
Thank you for your time, Esther and Javier.
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Kámen Road offers limited edition travel and work bags made on the West Coast of the United States. The company, founded by Kathleen Murphy believes in ethical and sustainable design and business practices. Read more about her and journey into sustainable fashion.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
First, I want to thank you for this opportunity. I was born and raised in San Jose, California – the Santa Clara Valley – now Silicon Valley. My family traveled the United Sates in a van all Summer long. My dad was a teacher, bird watcher, absolute nature lover, and conservationist in his own way. My mom is the most life loving person known to me. She is a map lover and was our navigator. We stopped at every historic landmark on every back road. We explored the most beautiful landscapes. I will never forget the desert sunrises and the weeping willows of the Bayou.
Travel became what I needed to do to think and to understand my place in the world. I was a creative kid – inward. I loved the game of soccer and loved simple, open, and quiet spaces. I saw shapes. I wrote poetry. I ended up writing proposals for non-profits for more than 15 years, but I hit a wall. I had no creative outlet. I did not have experience sewing or making. So, I thought that I could never do it.
I stopped writing proposals and started to focus on what I wanted most of all, which was a travel bag that could hold everything that I truly loved. My favorite sweater, shoes, socks, books, etc., in one bag for one month. I feel strongly that when we only possess what we love, and know who and how they made it, then we are most fulfilled and connected to our life. We can ‘live free and content on the open road’ like Walt Whitman said.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I had to pay for my school clothes. I had an aunt and grandmother who were amazing shoppers in terms of quality. I learned to spot the highest quality clothing on the clearance racks in the outlet stores. I also could see the mounds of cheaply made clothes. I could see the waste, but I needed clothes. I wanted clothing and shoes that would hold up and have something uniquely special. I wanted to see woven patterns and colors that were purposeful and personal. In the 90s, the Adidas child labor scandal broke. I loved everything Adidas as a soccer player, and I woke up then to the sickness behind what I bought. I started to pay attention to Fair Trade. In San Francisco before Renegade arrived, I found shopping events that featured individual designers. Talking to them, understanding their passion and the challenge of costs and high quality design work was the tipping point for me.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
I think studying literature and the liberal arts – history was so interesting to me – to understand how people lived throughout time—what they wore, the social barriers, architecture, and how it defined relationships. My college education brought to the surface my great passion for art and design. I would wander the halls of the art building at San Jose State. I envied those students, their creativity, and all their ideas expressed in all kinds of mediums. I couldn’t really draw so I thought creating art was not possible for me. I loved to write but it wasn’t the exact expression that held me. I had all kinds of ideas, but didn’t have the skills to capture in form what was in my head. Professionally, I started to write proposals for sustainable business models, and I was hooked because there was now a very real bridge between social good, and products and services that were carried through with ethics, and people, and opportunity in mind all along the way.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
For me, it is life changing. Consumers can know exactly the materials and processes that go into making what they buy. They can see and perhaps understand better the difficulty of the decision making for brands and what we will not compromise on and what we must compromise on at times. Large companies when they choose ethical and sustainable practices can ensure that mass production, if it is a necessity in terms of the global economy, can offer and ensure safety, prosperity, and mobility in a person’s life. That is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion. That, as consumers, designers, small businesses, and large companies, we are making sure that what we want in our lives is equally possible for someone else. Not through charitable giving always, but in making our everyday and special consumer purchases a real expression of our belief in and support of all people.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
I have to say Andy Goldsworthy. I know that he is not in fashion, but I so admire what he has shown is possible in terms of nature and beauty.
What is Kámen Road?
Kámen Road is a travel and work bag collection that uses natural materials that last the longest and age the best, using local artists and makers as much as possible, with the ultimate goal of one-bag travel so we can connect better with the world around us every day.
What are some of its feature products?
Right now, we offer a signature leather and hemp canvas weekender, a laptop/book bag messenger bag, a portfolio case, and soon to be released touring bag.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
All people – all lifestyles – who are seeking very personal connections with the people who make their bags.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
I hope that ethical and sustainable fashion is no longer a new movement very soon. To answer your questions about workers, especially women, and children, we have to ask: how is a material product ever more important than a person’s life? Fair labor standards should be a given. If you would not work in that factory, why should someone else? The fact that the fashion industry is still connected to these tragedies is absolutely a human rights violation.
The fact that companies don’t know about the conditions of the factories is impossible to understand. We know that large fashion companies have auditors that are responsible for conducting factory inspections, but exploitation still happens, so where is the break down? Can we monitor, report, and correct labor violations as individual consumers and people in the fashion industry as a global community instead of one country versus another?
Right now, consumers have options to purchase nearly every type of clothing and accessory from ethical and sustainable brands. The higher cost of ethical brands is said to be a main reason for a consumer’s decision to buy larger and cheaper brands. I understand, and I am open to, identifying every possible method that will show people what is at stake when companies produce without caring about the human impact of their profit.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
I think of all the Fair Trade organizations and all the brands investing in their workers, but it is still not enough. We have fair trade certifications. We still have the tragedies. Do we have a global march? Do we write a global agreement? Do we already have these mechanisms in place but without enforcement, we continue to put material things over people. I usually speak to the choir about our consumer power to change the fashion industry. But at every show, I have an opportunity to talk about the decisions that I make and how ethical and sustainable business is an ongoing process of research, improvement, and ultimately social good.
What topics most interest you?
Bio-mimicry, sustainable travel, a contemplative life.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
I stepped in blind and have learned so much from so many people. I have to say Maureen Dougherty of Quiet Clothing and my friend Beth who works for an environmental organization. We have debated every topic in the consumer world and challenged each other to consider our actions. They have inspired me so much by their commitment to sustainable living and they support my vision as someone creating a material product.
Have you mentored others?
I am so new myself. I have so much to learn. I am always here to help people who have an idea. I hope to encourage every person to pursue his/her creativity and ideas. I have met with start-up entrepreneurs in the online marketing and social media space who are committed to ethical and emerging brands. I would do anything to help in order to make sustainable fashion a driving economic force.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
Mentors are critical touchstones when self-doubt starts to blurb and weaken your vision. Our experiences may be completely different in style and approach, but they give me the reassurance that I am on the right track.
They don’t dismiss or limit the discussion of any topic or idea. Their honest critique on a practical level has saved me so much time. Their passion inspires me to stay the course. My mentors in the fashion world understand the crazy rants and ramblings, the confusion, the moment of clarity, and the joy of design for me, which is to give a person something that they love and will cherish for a life-time.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
I am not sure.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
It is really life changing. I was never really fulfilled until I worked to create this vision I had of traveling freely with one bag that could hold everything that I loved. I did it. I know now that I can realize my ideas in a form that is as useful, ethical, personal, and beautiful as possible at this moment. I have so many ideas and I now have a way to express them and give a product to someone who knows that we value their work, their life, and their travels like our own.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I still write proposals for non-profits. Because of Kámen Road, I focus on job training and job creation because I felt that I could not give back enough as a small business owner.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Still thinking.
Any recommended means of contacting Kámen Road?
Through the contact page on our website, www.kamenroad.com and follow us on Instagram @kamenroad
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
I want to thank Trusted Clothing and all your supporters very much. Together, we can bring more and more ethical brands to more and more people.
Thank you for your time, Kathleen.
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Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I always knew I wanted to be a fashion designer. I began my career at the age of 12, where I learned how to draft patterns and sew for myself. Then, I started my own business at 15 years old, designing made-to-measure garments for customers and people around me.
I decided to pursue my dream and study fashion in order to get as much knowledge as possible. I have a College Diploma in Fashion Design, a Bachelor in Fashion Merchandising and a Master of Arts in Fashion, where I specialized in sustainable fashion. Internships in Paris, Madrid and Toronto really helped me forge my identity as an entrepreneur and designer and my approach towards the fashion industry.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
People and the environment were always very important to me. I always knew I wanted to make a difference in the world, and I chose to do it through fashion. It is unconceivable to me to create garments that don’t make a difference. It just seems nonsense to me!
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
The most influential part of my path was definitely my master degree, in which I was able to focus on sustainable fashion and research every possible way of making ethical and ecological garments.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
It is primordial! I still don’t understand how some fashion brands decide to exploit other human beings and pollute our wonderful planet. I hope that some day, we won’t even have to mention that a brand is sustainable. I wish it will just be a given.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Kate Fletcher is definitely one of my favorites! She is the pioneer of slow fashion and she is a great activist and researcher.
What is Gaia & Dubos?
Gaia & Dubos is a sustainable fashion brand that designs, produces and sells high-end ecological and ethical clothing for women. We also offer online sewing courses to allow everyone to learn the basics of clothing and accessories repair, and we act as an informant by posting videos and articles on sustainable fashion in order to educate the public.
Our mission is to change the face of the fashion industry by offering products and services resulting from sustainable development. We also want to give the power back to consumers by giving them an education on ecological and ethical fashion.
What are some of its feature products?
We are currently working on our first clothing collection, which will be launched next spring. We are developing high quality everyday and professional garments for women, and they all comprise transformable or customizable options in order to deepen customers’ emotional attachment and increase versatility. We only use eco-friendly materials and all of our products are ethical handcrafted in Quebec, Canada.
Gaia & Dubos also offers online mending courses in order to teach people how to fix their clothes and accessories. People can subscribe and download the course videos directly to their computer!
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Our target audience is women aged 35 to 55 who demonstrate an interest for sustainable clothing. They prioritize quality and classic styles and are willing to pay for a product that is entirely ethical and ecological.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
Human and worker rights should always be a priority when hiring people. It is unconceivable to me to offer such horrific working conditions to the people who work for you and make it possible for you to make a living.
The problem is highly complex, but I think we should bring fashion brands, governments, manufacturers and customers together to find tangible solutions.
I believe it is the responsibility of fashion brands to ensure they ask for decent deadlines and pay enough money to the manufacturers they do business with. This way, the manufacturers will be able to offer more decent conditions to their employees.
I also think we should all work together toward the right to unionize. In most garment factories, it is strictly forbidden to form a union, which doesn’t help them get better working conditions…
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
I think everyone should be equal, not matter what. I don’t believe the solution to child labor is to ban it completely, but rather to offer better wages to adults so that children don’t have to work at all. Also, I think that bringing women to higher positions within the industry could help them get better conditions. In developing countries, most lower lever positions are occupied by women, whereas men occupy managing positions.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
They are directly connected! By offering better conditions to women, they will be able to better care for their children: send them to daycare or school, have more time and energy to be with them, and have enough money to feed them, buy clothes, school supplies, etc. By increasing women’s wages, children might not need to work at all and may be able to attend school and attain higher career goals, ending this poverty cycle once and for all!
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
I believe it is the responsibility of fashion brands, designers, bloggers, activists, researchers, etc., to first educate consumers on this topic. This is what we have been doing at Gaia & Dubos and we really see an increase of awareness among our community! By having the knowledge and developing their awareness on the topic, consumers will be able to make sensible decisions when buying and to share what they know with others.
When fashion brands will realize that consumers do care and do vote with their money, they will be obliged to make some changes. Some big ones! They will invest more money and efforts toward ethical working conditions and won’t think of profit the same way: it’s not by cutting expenses that they will make more money; it’s by making their customers happy, trusting, loyal and content with what they offer.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
I think I just explained that in the previous questions! J
What topics most interest you?
– Creating a positive impact on the humanity and the planet.
– Empowering customers through education.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
Yes! Dr. Lu Ann Lafrenz, one of my favorite teachers ever! She knows a lot about sustainable fashion and helped me complete a thorough research on this topic for my master essay.
Have you mentored others?
Yes! I am always willing to help people who want to work in the sustainable fashion industry. I offer them advice and guidance in their process since I have a strong background in the field.
What is the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
I would not stress the importance of mentoring per say, but rather of sharing and exploring together. I share openly with many other people involved in the sustainable fashion industry, and even other fields related to the ethical/ecological movement, and it always brings me a lot!
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
I think fashion is viewed as more feminine in our society. It is associated with looks and appearance, and I just think more women relate to this topic!
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Every day, it is an enormous pleasure for me to work on Gaia & Dubos! I am combining my passion for fashion and my desire to make a difference in the world, and I feel incredibly fulfilled by my work!
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
Raising my baby! Juggling with all the projects we have at Gaia & Dubos and taking care of my beloved son is enough for now! However, I really want to work on a book project in the next year or so. I want to gather all the knowledge I have around sustainable fashion and create a reference book for the consumer who wants to make a change and buy better.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Kate Fletcher and Micheal Lavergne for the fashion professionals, and the book Cradle to Cradle, by McDonough and Braungart, for everyone who wants to have a different perspective on how our everyday objects are made and used.
Any recommended means of contacting Gaia & Dubos?
Email is always good for us! Info@gaiaetdubos.com
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
I really wish we are moving towards a better world where respect and equity are at the forefront of every decision we make!
Thank you for your time, Léonie.
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Fatim started Fatim Bahh brand as a socially conscious line, to help young girls get access to primary education in Kassa, Guinea, West Africa and to help women in the rural areas of Guinea, showcase their artisanal skills to the contemporary market place and be financially independent. Read more about our interview with her below.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
My name is Fatim Bahh, I was born and raised in Guinea, West Africa. Both my parents were highly educated and I remember my father always saying that Education was the only thing a man would never take away from a woman, therefore we should really focus on education.
I Moved to US on my 18th birthday to go to college and get a better educational opportunity. I studied Fashion Design and Social work at University of Los Angeles, where I received my BA in both fields.
After working as a Social worker for low income families and working in the fashion industry for over 10 years as a personal stylist, assistant designer and wholesales rep. It was time for me to get my own business.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Conscious Fashion is a global movement, I have always admired respecting nature, caring for social justice and making beautiful things. It was a Natural fit.
The One Girl At A Time Foundation raises funds to pay for school supplies and tuition.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
My education and professional influence my decision making today, the type of business I want to own and the impact I would like to make in society. You have to have a voice, and I don’t think I would have known all the things I now know if not for these experiences.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
We are a vehicle for a change in today’s society. People look up to us, they want to understand what they are buying, who is making their clothes and where the materials are coming from.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
I like brand like Krochet Kids INTL for their social impact and Everlane for their Radical transparency.
What is Fatim Bahh?
We are a socially responsible Brand made in USA with the mission to support young girls’ education in Guinea, West Africa.
What are some of its feature products?
Every product features a hand-woven/hand-dye African textile accent, a signature design for our clothes. We have a wide range of tops and dresses.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Women living in urban areas age 25-55, we are building a movement and welcome anyone to join the community of like minded.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
Companies should be taken accountable for poor working conditions in factories.
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of te status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
the right to a healthy and safe working environment; the right to a minimum wage and the prohibition of firing a worker without a valid reason. The right to freedom from discrimination.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
the prohibition of forced or compulsory labour; the prohibition (or limitation) of child labour; the right to leisure and rest during work; the right to equality of treatment between home workers and other wage earners; the right to an 8-hour day or a 48-hour week.
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
As global citizen, we all need to get involve in our community, organizations and share our knowledge. Use your social media outlets to spray the world on child labor, human right.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
I think its important to join forces, buy for companies that are transparent in their process and conscious brand, like Fatim Bahh.
Fatim Bahh brand contributes 10% of the proceeds from every purchase to an education fund the One Girl At A Time Foundation.
What topics most interest you?
Girls education and women empowerment.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
My Mother.
Have you mentored others?
Yes, I am the co-founder of One Girl At A Time foundation, a US Non-profit organization that help put young girls to school in Africa and I am an active member of UN global class room committee, in San Diego.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
If you get the right mentorship, it’s priceless what you can learn.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
Interesting you mentioned that because despite the fact that most fashion brands are catering to women, very few are let by them, men still on the top of the industry, even though women are entering the industry at the bottom, they are not rising proportionally to the top. Things are still moving slowly for us.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
It so rewarding to know at the end of the day that you help made a difference somewhere, no matter how little. The more we grow our movement, business the better chances we have to share our movement with others and help make a bigger impact in our society.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
My foundation, One Girl At A Time, helps provide education opportunity to young girls in Africa.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Eco Fashion by Sass Brown.
Any recommended means of contacting Fatim Bahh?
Join our movement of helping girls attend school and get the basic primary education.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Yes, don’t be afraid to start something, follow your heart and find your true calling. Just because you don’t have people’s support does mean you are not doing it right, it takes time.
Thank you for your time, Fatim.
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Outsider was launched in 2009 with a mission statement that set the scene “Ethical fashion should just look like fashion”. Read more about our interview with Noorin Khamisani and her views on the fast fashion.
I was born in London to a Polish mother and Indian father. I grew up speaking both English and Polish. I was raised knowing some of my family were Muslim, some were Roman Catholic. I found Buddhism in my twenties.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I studied Fashion Design at UCA Rochester, upon graduation I worked for independent designers such as Jessica Ogden, Ann-Sofie Back, Susan Cianciolo and Jonathon Saunders. I then worked for more conventional brands including Debenhams, Hobbs and Ted Baker. These differing companies gave a strong grounding in understanding the fashion industry.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I was always interested in natural fibres and vintage fabrics and a slower approach to design as championed by Jessica Ogden and Susan Cianciolo back in the late 90s early 00s. Then as I worked for bigger high street brand I learnt about the challenges of managing large international supply chains. So for me it was a slow process over a number of years as I learnt about the ethical and environmental impact of the fashion industry my interest grew and developed.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
By working with consideration for ethics and sustainability they/we offer an alternative. It’s a demonstration that fashion can be designed, manufactured, marketed and sold in a different way. This is essential to lead by example and hopefully inspire more and more companies to work in more responsible ways.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
It’s not strictly speaking “fashion” but it is clothing related, so Yvon Chounard of Patagonia is a hero for me. He has been trailblazing and leading by example for many many years. Their bravery and openness is very inspiring and has pushed many other large companies to make changes to their supply chains.
What is Outsider?
An ethical and sustainable fashion label specialising in timeless versatile womenswear.
Outsider uses sustainable and ethical fabrics to manufacture clothing.
What inspired the title of the organization?
It is a reference to offering an alternative. We create fashion items but from different materials and with more focus on ethics, so we are on the periphery of the conventional fashion world. Or at least we were when we launched in 2009. Happily, we have seen many changes in the industry over the last 7 years, although there is a long way to go. The name Outsider was also a reference to the impact we can have by choosing an alternative to fast fashion – “It just takes one Outsider to make a difference”.
What are some of its feature products?
We specialize in dresses as they can be so versatile as part of your wardrobe. Our favourite style is the shirt dress as it is so timeless and can work from desk to dinner with just a change of accessories.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Women from a wide age range, we have customers from their early 20s to 60s. Currently our main customer base is in the UK but we are reaching more and more European customers now we have launched a site in Euro.
What topics most interest you?
Sustainable fabric innovation is my passion. I love the amazing solutions coming through to the challenges faced by the fashion industry. It’s incredible how waste streams from milk, oranges and pineapple have been used to create new fabrics.
Have you mentored others?
I teach part-time at London College of Fashion and have interns working with me, so I have mentored fashion students. I really hope to ensure the next generation of fashion designers are better informed, so they can make more ethical and sustainable choices.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
Fashion is such a competitive industry, mentors can help to guide and encourage persistence which is so needed for success.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
These tragedies highlight how much more work needs to be done by large brands to ensure their supply chains are ethical. The main issue is the separation that has been created between brands and factories. But when these tragedies occur and we see they are producing for well-known brands, it reminds us all that they are responsible for ensuring that working conditions are safe. Without those skilled people there would be no clothing to sell.
Women and children remain the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
It is crucial we keep moving towards equal rights and pay for women and that all workers are paid a living wage to ensure that children can attend school (and not have to work). This is a key consideration for all fashion brands to ensure they are monitoring their supply chains.
Child labor and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labor. A few million children in the case of child slavery. According to the Minimum Age Convention (1973), labor before the age of 14, 15, or 16, dependent upon the country, is child labor. The Convention on the Rights of the Child (1989) represent the importance of children’s rights on the ‘international stage’ in Article 2(2), Article 3(1) Article 3(2). In addition, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966) in Article 24(1-3) and International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (1966) in Article 10(3) delineate the importance of children’s rights too. These stipulations about equality remain violated in the fashion industry, especially the manufacturing sector or the garment industry. How can individuals get the word out about these extreme children’s rights violations?
In this area social media can be extremely powerful in sharing information and highlighting issues which the mass media often chooses to ignore. Starting petitions, sharing stories and questioning brands are all good starting points.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
I have always loved fashion but when I learnt more about the issues surrounding sustainability and ethics I had to reassess that love. For me creating a fashion item responsibly and consciously and then seeing that item picked up by a customer is very fulfilling. Even more so when that customer wears their item for a long time and in many ways. That is how we fight fast fashion, but developing long term relationships with our clothes.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Sass Brown has written some great books and also compiles fantastic information on her website all about ethical and sustainable fashion.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, Outsider?
We are on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and share ethical fashion news through our blog.
Thank you for your time, Noorin.
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In 1989 Arrogance Accessories was born. Celebrating their 25 Year Anniversary very recently, they’ve been creating hemp bags and accessories that are now being sold in popular high street stores. Read more about our interview with Alf Valora of Arrogance Accessories.
Tell us about family background – geography, culture, language, and religion.
Our family arrived in the UK about 1976 – Indian Ugandan Refugees due to Idi Amin. My Grandfather was a business man in Uganda so naturally he started a business in London where the entire family worked. One of the products we did was handbags, which my mother ran.
About 25 years ago she decided to leave her father’s business and started Arrogance Accessories Ltd. My brother and I have worked with her since she started the company.
We specialize in Leather bags made in India and this brought us great success. As the business grew, we had a long list of clients, the likes of Harrods, Selfridges, Makro etc. Most of the major high street stores we have supplied.
A few years later, we were introduced to Hemp by a German company. We decided that this will be the way forward and started working with one family run factory in China, where we sourced the hemp and manufactured Sativa Hemp Bags.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
We knew about Hemp, but never worked with it. But once we started researching into its amazing qualities, it was a no brainer to push this material. We ended up being the first company to supply hemp bags to WWF, Amnesty International, now supply to companies all over the world.
What seems like the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
It shows that things can be produced using such materials without losing any fashion, functionality, practical and value for money products.
What is Arrogance Accessories?
Arrogance accessories is a family Run business that conforms to all ethical practices in terms of staff, wages, suppliers who we work with, ensure that all practices are fair and people get paid accordingly.
What inspired the title of the organization?
My university friends were chatting about what we should call my mother’s new business and someone pointed out a friend’s personality – arrogant, that moved on to Arrogance Accessories Ltd, also we wanted to be letter A in the directory.
What are some of its feature products?
Bags, Luggage and Trainers.
What are the main fibres and fabrics used in the products?
55% Hemp/45% Organic Cotton.
Who grows, harvests, designs, and manufactures the products of Arrogance Accessories?
Material made in China along with the bags, I design the range.
Why should ethical and sustainable (and other) fashion designers and companies include the Triple Bottom Line analysis in individual and business performance?
Simply to help the planet and it’s a must that these practices are kept up.
What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights, and the fashion industry?
It’s a must to strive for better practices to improve their lives, or else what is the point.
How can individuals get the word out about these extreme children’s rights violations?
Mention it on their products, obvious marketing channels.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Forcing the prices points up and setting an ethical margin to be made, i.e. buy at fair prices and sell at fair prices, don’t squeeze the bottom line.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at most levels. Why?
Not enough is being done at schools to push young boys into the fashion industry.
Also, more men than women appear at the highest ends of the business ladder in fashion. Why?
They probably worked in the business and did not have time off for having children, bringing a family up and so on, which, in general, women have been seen to take.
Will having men in the discussion and on-the-ground improve the implementation of children’s and women’s rights?
Can’t hurt.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Seeing people happy from the start process to the end consumer buying your product and enjoying it.
What seems like the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
Paving a good future for my Child.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
Kindness, Honesty.
Thank you for your time, Alf.
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Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
It’s incredibly important. We navigate a narrative of women’s rights through our garments as we are a company of women for women. And beyond that we’re working on products that directly challenge the accepted ideas of what it means to be feminine and be treated fairly in the workplace.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
Obviously women’s rights trickle down to the family level-when a woman is able to support her family, keep her children out of the workforce, etc. that creates a positive, direct relationship between the need to connect and implement women’s rights and children’s rights.
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
Given that we live in a world where one can filter or self-select news, it’s never been more important to ask important questions, seek answers, and vote with your checkbook. I tend to think the smallest actions you can take–asking a question, supporting a brand with a clear production model–are the strongest.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
I think it’s extraordinarily important to demand more sustainably produced products, textiles, and trims. No matter what, we simply cannot escape the full, true cost of manufacturing in our own backyard, or further ashore.
What topics most interest you?
I believe in the idea of feeding oneself with a steady diet of ideas that exist directly outside of one’s work. That said, even though I spend so much of my work life thinking about plants, Nature (with a capital N), sustainability, patterns, etc. I find that with any free time I am afforded I often pour over some garment/book/painting that has some relationship to my work–I truly do what I love!
Did you have a mentor in this work?
I am blessed to name my pattern maker as my mentor—from her collective decades in the apparel industry I’ve learned (and continue) to learn so much about making clothing with a low environmental and social footprint.
Have you mentored others?
Certainly in my work as a gardener, and most recently I’ve tried to give back to a number of keen students in the fashion industry. I recently took part in a seminar at Northeastern University focused on fashion start-ups.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
As in any field, you learn by doing and to be able to have access to a bank of wisdom in any form is truly invaluable.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
I can’t account for the data, but I will note that I know almost an equal number of men and women pursuing their interests in fashion-be it behind a camera, on the cutting room, or in ecommerce.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
The thank you notes we receive from around the world from women who appreciate the socially and environmentally responsible ethos behind our workwear. This business truly grew out a hope to do things better and it’s a wonderful feeling to know we’re making positive impact in women’s lives in some small way.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I’m a full time gardener by trade in addition to running Gamine.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Emily Spivack, Rebecca Tuite, Sheila Heti/Heidi Julavits, Leanne Shapton.
Any recommended means of contacting Gamine Co?
We love to hear from folks-a casual hello on social media (@gamine_co) or a missive via email: ella@gaineworkwear.com.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
We are grateful for our community of hardworking sisters and just wanted to take a minute to thank them for all of their support!
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Gamine Workwear is designed by Taylor Johnston, Manager of the Gardens and Greenhouses at the Isabella Stewart Gardener Museum in Boston, Mass. Understanding how important it is to create gear that holds up to hard work, every Gamine product (and repair technique) is put to work in the garden before it’s added to the shop. Read more about Taylor and Gamine Workwear.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
The people who know me best will tell you that I am a non-linear person. Maybe it goes back to my mom’s constant advice growing up that ‘boredom comes from within.’ I think it made me realize how fortunate I am to be born here, at this time, and with freedom of choice…I guess the short answer to this is I’ve been a horticulturist now for the last 12 years.
I’ve worked on flower farms, botanic gardens, and private estates growing all kinds of edibles and ornamentals. I am most myself when I am in the garden. I studied horticulture and geology in college and have a Master’s in Philosophy- as my colleague says, it qualifies me to do manual labor.
I am extremely proud to work in a trade that reinforces the idea that there are no shortcuts to success. It’s all about getting your hands dirty, not complaining, making mistakes, and doing the work for many, many years. My mentors tell me it’s dangerous to think of oneself as an expert in anything – I think that this is eternal advice.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Making careful observations about the natural world each day as a gardener greatly impacts the decisions I make in my apparel business as I see the interconnectedness of it all.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
In many ways I am an outlier in the field of apparel-Though I am named after a seamstress, I am a self-taught and for the past 4 years have been studying the art of pattern making with my beloved pattern mater. My point of view is informed by the practical nature of my work and my lifelong interest in personal style.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
Thoreau famously noted that every decision is a moral one–as natural resources become more precious and our world becomes increasingly populated, there is a moral obligation to consider the people and resources behind products. There has never been a more important time to vote with your checkbook.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Yvon Chouinard-he walks the walk. Not only a brilliant environmentalist, he continues to seek better ways of doing business and offsetting the real costs of manufacturing.
What is Gamine Co?
After being photographed by Bill Cunningham while installing the infamous Nasturtium vines at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum, I found myself on the hunt for stylish, functional workwear for women.
When I couldn’t find what I was looking for, and without any formal education in fashion, I decided to tackle the problem myself. Partnering with the oldest and most respected domestic denim and workwear manufacturers, a cadre of field testers, and a genius pattern maker at a renown denim label (who was bored stiff making skinny jeans) I launched Gamine in the spring of 2014.
We are proud to be a small women’s workwear company hopelessly devoted to natural materials, sustainable production, durability, and our community of hardworking sisters.
What are some of its feature products?
Our signature Slim Slouch Dungaree and Sweetwater Trouser. Women’s pants are
notoriously difficult and we’ve done a ton of leg-work (pardon the pun) to understand fit, body types, and materials for our products. Everything is tested in the real world before being offered in shop.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
It’s a real mix of women who are working hard in the field and women who support the materials and design decisions for true blue American made workwear.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured.
Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
It’s essential and it’s always been important to consider the people behind our products. As workers ourselves, what kind of company would we be if we didn’t extend the same ethos to the talented hands that create our products? We celebrate the narrative of the worker from trim to thread and only work with those who treat their employees the way we like to be treated.
Continued in part two…
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What is your customer base – the demographics?
Women between 20 – 45 years old, nature lovers, women that appreciate sustainable living and its initiatives, multiculturalism in the world and its traditions.
Women that demand confort clothing, exclusive and fair trade designs, boho-chic style, clothes with meaning and social responsability.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
Human rights must be over any kind of work we all have a right to a different world. These tragedies are the result of our lack of conscience, our indifference and our monetary slavery.
As human beings we must act for our collective conservation and interact with nature in an organic way. The new movement is the slow movement. With peace of mind, understanding that every point in the chain has a history, understanding that we are One and We need to evolve.
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of te status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
It is imperative to fight for the rights of all members of society without exception. Of course, an industry so closely linked to the feminine universe has the duty to protect with greater effort the fulfillment of the rights of women, above all, before the samples of society of not wanting to do it.
The rights of children equally, must be an assured guarantee, therefore must be respected and taken into account at all times in the chain.
Fashion is an art that should not cause suffering to any member of society, on the contrary, it must provide a form of expression.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
A society that has a vulnerable population is a vulnerable society. A society whose population that has no rights is a slave society. The human race is composed of each and every one of the individuals that make up this society, if there is someone who is bad in society, we are all wrong.
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery.
All members of society participate in one way or another in maintaining the system working, so that if we observe that our actions promote slavery, we can refrain from carrying them out. It is a chain in which we all participate, and slavery is a condition that concerns us all. We must abolish it definitively, and for this we must actively participate in denouncing, choosing well, supporting.
There are many organizations currently working for make visible the problems of made fast fashion under non ethical principles. Each person should be in solidarity with others, because even though he does not know them, they are human beings and have the right to a dignified life.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Individuals can choose materials that are not harmful to the environment, garments that guarantee an ethical production, with both humans and the environment. Choosing ethical designs with the environment and with society is a simple way to contribute to the change we need, because it guarantees the well being of the community.
Designers and fashion industries must be coupled with the cycles of nature and use the imagination to create a different panorama in fashion.
What topics most interest you?
Permaculture
Self-sufficiency
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
Sharing knowledge always gives rise to creating new ideas, new ways of doing, improving their forms.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
Women have in fashion the ability to create characters, send messages, redefine and create new roles. Historically, culture has made the clothing arts an activity for women and they have found in the world of fashion a language with which they can express themselves in all spheres and in all segments of society.
The majority are women because it is a universe that culturally allowed women to build and therefore is designed for them.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
We want to convey a message of inclusion and new forms of conscious consumption. We invite people to rethink about our responsibility and relationship as humans and what kind of world we are creating.
The population growth and its consume demand for food, water, energy, etc is devastating forests, jungles and drying drinking water sources. The time is now! Change start with our decisions, what are you going to eat? Who mades your clothes? Are you supporting fair trade practices?
Is important to be awareness about how your buying choices affect the work conditions of someone in China or Colombia or Peru and contributing to preserve the Amazon river or support water supply in Guajira.
As entrepreneur you have the option to be sustainable and innovating in fashion business, be actively part of an evolution and support the social development in third world countries.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
Sustainable living in the Andean Mountains, Permaculture and herbalism.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Gilles Lipovetsky
Bill Cunningham
Any recommended means of contacting Casa Lefay?
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
We are very grateful for your time and your interest in Casa Lefay and supporting sustainable living. Everyone make a difference; your buying choices are important.
Thank you for your time, Maria and Nicolas.
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Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
Since childhood I liked fashion, thanks to my grandmother, a woman from Barranquilla, a city in the Caribbean coast of Colombia that breathes fashion, elegance, and style.
In her time, women still did not have much participation in society, so they found in fashion a particularly and feminine language for expressing their creativity. I also inherited from her the love for painting.
My grandmother devoted her life to be the companion of my grandfather, attend social gatherings where she found the occasion to create a character to tell a story. I still remember, dress with heels and jewelry from my grandmother, who at that time had two large closets full of clothes that collects even until now.
During my adolescence, when I started out to graduation parties and celebrations of all kinds, it was my grandmother who lent us the costumes to me and my friends. (Still does, are now more women in the family, cousins… sisters and their friends…)
Besides my grandmother was his sister, my aunt Anita, another beautiful Caribbean woman, who found in sewing and embroidery how to make life had the possibility of main transform the material into an object full of meanings. In general women of that generation of my family were in some way or another related to fashion clothing.
Not only because at the time was an activity for women, but because Colombia at that time did not come out fashion designers or fashion labels, and if they did were very expensive…so each woman herself responsible for creating their costumes. When I was a small, I studied in a school that was very focused on math, that’s when I met Nicolas, currently my husband and co-founder of Casa lefay.
I had no good in math so I left that school after repeating two years (my mom studied there with his brothers so she refused to take me out of school). After much debate it, I moved to a focused liberal arts school, where fortunately I was able to explore many of the capabilities that until then had been unable to explore.
Unlike my first college women in this school were fully communicated through fashion. At first my adaptation was very painful because I had to overcome many preconceptions ideas about “being superficial” to be inclined towards the world of fashion.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Fashion, despite being an art of which we are all captives, is one of the most polluting industries on the planet. Given the current environmental situation, we believe that it is necessary to begin to be part of the change that we need.
So, We want to provide an alternative to consumption. Currently the world needs a change because the natural resources are finite and we need them to live, we have to conserve and use them in a proper manner. Fashion is one of the most polluting industry in the world.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
After finishing my school, I decided to study literature at the Javeriana University in Bogota, I always liked to tell stories and learn more about the man through them. The emphasis of my career I did in visual arts where I could find a space for my taste for drawing.
Over time the drawing took me into fashion as a professional field, by then would have 22 years old. It was when I started studying fashion illustration in a fashion school in Bogota, Arturo Tejada. Eventually, I get involved even more and end up enrolling in the academic career.
At that same moment I met again with Nicolas, after many years we had not seen, and we decided to move to Buenos Aires, where I could end my career in literature while studied fashion design at the University of Belgrano.
It was a very difficult time because my family was still incomprehensible that ending my career I took a descision like that. In addition to our cultural context it was frowned me to live with if we were not married.
When we arrived in Buenos Aires I started my fashion career at the University of Belgrano while finished my thesis in Literature.
Although, I completed my thesis in Literature and graduated while in Buenos Aires, my fashion career turned out to be not what I expected. It was still a very new program and still there was a definite structure, so I decided to leave college to make independent courses what I really interested in.
Illustration, makeup, styling, fashion and tailoring. Since the courses do not take a long time and at that time I was not working, I decided to continue my career and to start a master degree in art criticism and dissemination at IUNA.
Over time the city was oppressing us, the academic structure did not fit with my ideals of life, and together with Nicolas, who by then worked as an environmental analyst for contaminated site remediation and environmental issues Dept. at YPF’s downstream, an Argentina oil company, we decided we wanted to take another life. By then he was very affected by the environmental damage of the industry, and was a need for us to take another way of life.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
The designers or companies that promote ethical and sustainable practices contribute to generate a change in the forms of consumption. Such change is necessary to maintain the healthy ecosystem we need.
It is urgent to create a human system that guarantees the integrity of all members of the chain. It is also urgent to recover the nature that we are exploiting. Having practices that guarantee the wellbeing and the conservation of the ecosystem in which we are only a part, is a responsibility that we cannot evade.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Vivienne Westwood
Stella Mccartney
What is Casa Lefay?
Casa Lefay is a brand that are committed with sustainability, art, and ethical principles as pillars for an alternative way of living. Guided by travels and multicultural traditions, Casa Lefay creates limited collections of clothes and illustrated objects. All profits are shared with environmental or humanitarian causes.
What are some of its feature products?
We made romantic and boho maxi dresses, pants and skirts. All garments are made with organic cotton under fair trade conditions. Each piece is unique and is printed with water based inks. The fabric design is based in original watercolor illustrations.
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Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
I think that giving the most disadvantaged people the option to get a better job means everything. If, for example, women can sew for a better salary and conditions will improve, then her life quality and also her kids will do better. The children could go to school and have more opportunities.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
Improving the women’s rights, we make sure that also children’s rights progress. It’s all about the environment that someone grew up in and the economy of the family. If the women’s rights are better, children come back to be kids, e.g. study, play, etc.
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
I think we can do a good job spreading the word around about the consequences of fast fashion. Also, as individuals, our choices matter. We give strength or take it when we buy something in one place or another.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
As designer, I think the most important thing is that we respect our employees and that we pay attention where to acquire our materials and fabrics. We need to track these, where those come from and who made them.As individuals, the most essential thing is that we think twice about buying staff. Just buy something when we need it and acquire with conscience. Buy less but better quality things. Also buy locally and within proximity.
What topics most interest you?
I am interested in lot of things. Most of all, I travel around and get to know local cultures and food. Also, I love to walk into the woods, diving, to read a nice book, design of course, and get lost in the relax of nature.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
Actually, I did. I think my mom raised me always between colors and books and fed my imagination since I was very little. Also, she taught me a little bit to sew with our 30-year-old sewing machine.
Design is to express yourself in fabrics. So I just need to go to the university to learn everything else.
Have you mentored others?
I do not have interns because A Pompidou is a very small brand. But I always collaborate with other designers and groups learning new techniques and helping each other as a social network.
I also do volunteer workshops with kids to show them the importance of recycling and to make them aware that other children are living in precarious ways because of fast fashion.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
If someone mentors another fashion designer it is like helping this person to develop in the fashion world and support the first steps of the path, which are the most difficult.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
I don’t have any statistics to answer this question properly. My guess is that fashion is a business that has been the focus of women. And as society, it is established that some jobs are for men and others for women. Even if I don’t believe in a catalogue for any gender in a specific kind of job or life.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Doing what you most love is a privilege. I love design and it’s a personal satisfaction to do it in an ethical way trying to improve every step.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
At this very moment, I am preparing the Christmas workshops with kids. They will be made toy with recycled materials to donate on these period to children that have nothing.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
I am fan of a lot of brands that work ethically such as Hilando en el tiempo, the handmade mask of Animalesque, Summer love (eco-friendly swimwear), the beautiful dresses hand printed with flowers ofEtikology, or the tapestry work of Maximo Laura are for me art works made with love of love. There are a lot of designers that I like because their ideas and originality
Any recommended means of contacting A Pompidou?
Well. The best way to know what is going on in A Pompidou is to stay tuned into our social media like Facebook or subscribe to the newsletter of our website. We do not only design unique dresses in organic materials. We also love to spread the word about sustainability and ethical fashion, especially to the little ones.
For example, this Christmas season we have organized workshop with kids where they will create handcrafted toys to give as a presents for the poor families.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
I feel happy to find every day more projects that do an effort on being sustainability and ethics. I know there is still a long way to go, but on the other hand when someone comes to you asking what is sustainable fashion and shows an interest means that we are doing a good labor encouraging other people to enjoy the slow fashion movement.
Thank you for your time, Olga.
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Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
My name is Olga. I was born in Madrid, Spain. But when they ask me where I am from, I always answer that I am a citizen of the world. From some years now, I’ve been living outside my country of birth.
When I was little, I used to take all the fabrics that I could find at home and transform these again in a different way. Maybe, I didn’t know that I wanted to be a fashion designer, but it’s true that since I was small I wanted to do something creative in my life.
I entered fashion college at 21 years old in Madrid to start my fashion designer studies. When I graduated, I realized that I didn’t like fashion at all, at least not the one that we are used to seeing, with no values or respect for the people and the planet.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
Well, after understanding that “traditional” fashion wasn’t for me, I started traveling/living in another country. In all of those places, I saw the importance and meaning of the dressing and how anyway. All of us want to feel beautiful, or simply be accepted by wearing one thing or another.
Wherever you look into the fashion industry everything feels wrong. How to grow and make the fabrics, the sewing process by exploited people, the pollution, the continuing messages from the media of how we should be or what we should wear…so when I decided to create my first fashion collection a year ago, I wanted to be as sustainable as possible.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
I think that it is important that sustainability enter in all the areas of life.
Speaking about ethical and sustainable companies, we have to develop a network that can cover all the needs and tastes of everyone so we can really compete with the fast fashion industry and establish the sustainable sector. Life must be sustainable if we want our planet to last.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
I always tell the story of when I was a kid and I destroyed a pair of gloves to make a top inspired by two Spanish designers from the 90s known as VACAS FLACAS.
I think I have a lot of heroes. All these little brands that fight every day to carry on their beautiful ideas within sustainable ways. And also all the artisans around the world that contribute to rescue old techniques that are getting lost by time.
What is A Pompidou?
A Pompidou is an ethical and sustainable fashion brand. I design unique models wearable in different ways with certified organic materials. All my designs can be worn by all kinds of different women. I don’t believe in the standard of beauty that the fashion industry tries to impose on us and that’s why all my dresses are adjustable only to the waist, so it will fit perfectly in different kinds of bodies.
Also, I love crafters and artisans so I love to integrate those art works in my designs. For my first eco-friendly collection, I work with an artisan that made all the buttons and accessories in coconut.
What are some of its feature products?
A Pompidou is an eco-conscious brand that creates unique designs taking care of the little details. Everything is made with lots of love by myself from the idea to the preparation, the dressmaking and the last button. But at the same time, I like to rescue some techniques that are at risk to be lost forever because of the devaluation of artisan work during the past years.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
My customer are women between 30 and 50 years old that value the work of a well done design combine with the high quality of the garments.
For the moment, my public, it’s located mainly in Europe and Spain where they have known me in some fairs and other activities.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
It is important that an ethical fashion brand look for the people that makes our clothes. Being ethical and sustainable it’s not only about organic materials. It is more about the people and the planet, so, of course, human and worker rights must be respect in all the process if we want to be ethical.
Continued in part two…
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Lana Bambini is a family-run business offering high quality clothing for children which is all made from lovely natural – and mostly organic – fibres which are either unbleached and undyed or coloured with completely safe GOTS (Global Organic Textiles Standard) approved dyes.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I’m originally from NZ, married to an Italian and have one daughter. I’ve lived in my adopted home in the UK for the past 13 years and spent many of my previous years living and working on boats from small cruising yachts to huge luxury ‘super yachts’.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I prefer the term ‘clothing’ to ‘fashion’. Fashion implies everything that’s wrong with the garment industry, where the seductiveness of cheap throwaway clothing has completely taken over any interest in the quality or longevity of what we buy; and caused the near-extinction of the skills such as weaving, spinning, and sewing in the developed world.
I started to feel something was terribly wrong when I realised that I could buy a dress for barely more than the price of a coffee. A Greenpeace report on toxic chemicals found in clothing was the inspiration to start Lana Bambini.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
None whatsoever. It was simply deep concern about the heavy use of pesticides and toxic chemicals by the textiles industry, oppressive conditions for workers and the throwaway culture that sees landfills bursting with unwanted clothing. We just wanted to offer consumers safe and ethical alternatives.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
Genuinely ethical companies are like the abolitionists of the 19th century. We’re all trying to end slavery, bonded labor, abuse and exploitation in the garment industry.
There are more enslaved people now than at any point in history and many of them employed making clothing. Choosing to work in ethical clothing means working with much lower margins and a smaller customer base so it’s very much a radical position to take in terms of business.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Carolyn Whitwell who founded and ran the Bishopston Trading Company for 30 years. She was a pioneer.
What is Lana Bambini?
Lana Bambini is a family-run business offering high quality clothing for which is all made from natural and mostly organic fibres which are coloured with completely safe GOTS approved dyes and free from toxic chemicals.
We specialise in organic wool and on our site you will only find products that have been made in an ethical and environmentally responsible way. Our ethical policy covers human and worker’s rights, animal welfare, use of dyes and chemical inputs and environmental impact.
What are some of its feature products?
The beautiful boiled wool clothing from Disana which is ethically made in Germany from organic materials.
Organic Boiled Wool Coat
Lovely natural socks from Hirsch Natur in organic wool and made in a production facility that uses solar power to drive its knitting machines.
Organic Wool Fairisle Socks
GOTS certified accessories by Bauer of Germany
Organic Knit Children’s Hat with Wool Fleece Lining
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Mostly 30-something mothers with 2-3 children and a middle income level. Most of our customers are into ‘natural parenting’ and are specifically looking for natural fibres, clothing free from toxic chemicals, and organic certifications. A smaller number are ‘ethical consumers’ motivated how and where they are produced.
What topics most interest you?
We believe strongly that moving all manufacturing into developing countries in order to produce things at lower prices has negatively affected the standard of living both the country of production and in The West. We are suffering a loss of jobs and centuries old skills, while those growing cotton and working in garment factories are suffering and dying. Most of our products are made in Europe and have short and transparent supply chains.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
No one can prepare you for the challenges of running a business and there are times when you really want to give up. I’m sure a mentor could really help you through the rough patches and dark moments.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement?
Most brands claim to place great importance on human rights but the real problem is caused by the complex supply chains that allow them to rely on exploited workers while maintaining a clear conscience. There needs to be an industry-wide initiative that companies can sign up to ensure complete transparency in the supply chain and expose ‘green washing’.
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
Every worker deserves to be treated fairly but women often need extra protection in the workplace because of their inherent vulnerability and lower social status in developing countries. Child’s rights can only be upheld when we begin to respect the rights of their parents.
Child labor will be eradicated when there is decent pay and better opportunities for adults. By paying far too little for clothing we are supporting a system where children are forced into menial jobs, and continuation of the cycle of poverty.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights, and the fashion industry?
Many of these problems are cultural and not related specifically to the garment industry, but by adhering to good practices as set out by the ILO (International Labour Organisation) the industry can definitely help create social change in those countries.
Child labor and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labor. A few million children in the case of child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these extreme rights violations?
Regular press coverage is really important. Personally I’d love to see hard-hitting advertising campaigns on prime-time TV slots, YouTube videos and on Social Media. Celebrities have great power of influence and engaging them to help educate people would be a powerful tool.
Schools could also be approached by pressure groups and persuaded look at this as a topic with pupils. It would be great to engage children in these issues from a young age.
Ultimately change will only come through consumer pressure so educating as many people as possible is important. Such a campaign totally decimated sales of continental veal in the UK. Once people learned about the horror of veal crates the market for European veal totally disappeared and has never recovered
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Consumers perhaps have the biggest part to play because the industry reflects what consumers want. Clothing prices have been pushed to unsustainably low levels because of consumer demand.
If people want change, they must demand it by voting with their wallets. An example of this increasing consumer awareness is reflected the ‘conscious’ range at H & M, a brand never previously associated with ethical production.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
The rarefied world of high-fashion is very much a man’s world in my opinion. There are more male designers leading the top brands and their influence filters down across the whole industry.
This mirrors many industries where men occupy the very top jobs despite their being more women in the lower ones. At the bottom end, 80% of garment workers are women probably for the simple reason that they cost less and are more easily exploited by employers.
Most garment production occurs in countries where women have fewer rights and fewer employment options available to them and the garment industry benefits directly from this.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
It’s satisfying to offer an alternative to clothing which has been made on the back of human misery. We know we are supporting jobs in where people are paid fairly, and helping to keep European production industries alive.
What we sell is also very high quality. People will tell us that one of our coats has been handed down through 3 children and is still going strong.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I live, sleep and breathe this business so nothing! However, we are soon launching a home-wares site which is devoted to high quality, ethically produced products of all types which are fit for purpose and made to last.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
I avoid shallow fashion blogs which appeal to the ‘like generation’ and are heavily dependent on inducements from the industry but do read Lucy Siegle’s column for the Guardian.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
It’s always great to hear about organisations who are working hard to change the lives of the poorest and most exploited. It restores my faith in humanity.
Thank you for your time, Lydia.
Visit the Lana Bambini store online at Lanabambini.co.uk
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What is your customer base – the demographics?
Currently we are oriented to the sale in national territory. But our objective is to grow as a company and export to other countries within European territory.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
In my humble opinion, I think it is regrettable that disasters such as this must happen to make things change and that the big corporations sign a multilateral agreement in order to alleviate the miserable working conditions of the workers. I think it’s much easier to do things right from the start.
Sometimes I look back on history in the Industrial Revolution of the nineteenth century and I think there are certain things that have not evolved too much…where many capitalists did not care that 7 year olds worked 12 or 14 hours a day in unhealthy conditions with Serious physical risks.
With the sole pretense of producing more at the lowest cost possible. They are fundamental rights of all working people and cannot be vulnerable or tolerated under any concept not respecting it.
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
They are the most vulnerable link and must be especially protected. but Unfortunately, many Western companies produce their garments in Third World countries and exploit without mercy workers from India, Morocco, Honduras, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Thailand, Indonesia or Turkey.
Those most affected by this violation of human rights are often women and children, who become slave labor and are hired in inhuman conditions. That is why the work of the ethical and sustainable fashion world brands is to eradicate the exploitation of children first, and to welcome the hitherto exploited woman by offering her a job and a living wage, ensuring her human and labor rights, under guarantees.
We must boost their growth and education. I think that the task of focusing especially on disadvantaged social sectors helping them to re-enter the working world in a dignified way is the first thing to begin to change certain structures and harmful uses in this sector.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
I think the previous answer responds a bit to this too. If sound laws are created by governments that protect the fundamental rights of children and women, especially in marginal countries, and ensure compliance, governments will avoid situations such as those experienced in the labor exploitation of these vulnerable groups.
On the other hand, we must all work to achieve equality and social balance between men and women, especially in underdeveloped countries where unfortunately women do not have the right to receive an education, and where in many occasions their only function is to procreate.
Child labor and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labor and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
Certainly, a change in the productive system and the conception of how we consume fashion would generate less demand for illegal labor, and would help to create a more moderate pace, granting a new ethical value to fashion.
It is necessary to involve the consumer of the importance and responsibility that he has when buying a particular pledge or another and ask oneself how it has been produced …
On the other hand, I believe that governments should encourage and support this kind of ethical and sustainable fashion, since I believe that many times the end consumer does not buy ethical fashion, not because he does not want to collaborate with it, but because having a higher price cannot afford it and for that reason they finally buy a garment bargain of a great fashion brand that continues to feed this type of fast fashion.
That´s why to be a large disruptive cut, government support and the collaboration of big fashion brands are needed as well.
I like to see that there are already marks that signed the commitment Detox with Greenpeace for 2020 and makes me think that we are in the way to achieve it.
We cannot allow child exploitation continue, according to data from the NGO Save The Children, there are currently 218 million working children in the world aged between 5 and 17 years where some 126 million children worldwide dangerous work, and that 8.5 million people do it in conditions of slavery, average wages of 1.3 euros a day, at best, for 68 hours of work per week, without contract, in unhealthy environments, without basic rights such as
Health coverage in case of illness or union membership, and deprivation of liberty. Undoubtedly, one of the biggest challenges in the fight against child labor is to end subcontracting, since large multinationals often sign with Third World companies that they do not even know about.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
I believe that the best resource and help that can be given is to provide them with the necessary tools to develop and manage their own work. “Knowledge makes you free.” And secondly to ensure that the governmental and human rights laws of the underdeveloped countries are met, strengthening the control systems.
What topics most interest you?
I am fascinated by innovation applied to fashion. I think that sustainability and innovation are not at all opposed and that, on the contrary, they can be mutually beneficial. When I finished my degree in fashion I decided to orient my final project of degree in the “ecofuturismo” tendency where the natural and the artificial raws are in perfect symbiosis. Of course the ecology, human rights and animal protections are vital for me.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
Unfortunately, I haven´t none one in the sustainable fashion. My main mentor has been internet, although it sounds a bit bad, and honestly I have learned a lot in this field.
Have you mentored others?
Not yet, but of course I would like to do it.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
I believe that a mentor has a particular experience that helps direct the efforts to a common and effective fund that promotes concrete goals. And in this way to help the new designers to start up and consolidate their business projects, it helps to analyze your challenges in the Market and favors their personal and professional development through their own experience in sustainable fashion.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
Interesting question! It is quite true; I believe that in part the cultural heritage that we drag is very favorable to this. The woman throughout history has made real efforts to be perfect in the eyes of man. Perhaps for that reason it has always attracted more these subjects to the woman. The cult towards beauty has always been more related to women, I suppose it has something to do.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
The satisfaction of adding value to what you do each day is the best reward you can have. Fighting for what you believe and having the opportunity to show it to others, makes me feel full and gives a full meaning to my life. I feel very lucky.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
At the moment my dedication is full at CARPEDIEM Design, although I do not rule out entering new projects and collaborations that come to me!
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Kate Fletcher, who is all a benchmark in terms of slow fashion of course!
Any recommended means of contacting CARPEDIEM Design?
If you want to contact us or visit us I leave the following links:
@carpe.D.design on Facebook
www.fairchanges.com/carpediem-design/tienda/347/
On the other hand, we are happy to welcome proposals and be able to collaborate with you!
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
I think fashion is maturing and it is becoming more responsible, it is everyone’s job, taking care of the value chain of fashion from the producer to the final consumer.
“Let’s make fashion, but let’s make it conscious, let’s buy fashion, but let’s buy it with conscience.” Make it possible!
Thank you for giving me this valuable opportunity to have been with you today, it has been a real honor.
Thank you for your time, Guadalupe.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/12/08
CARPEDIEM Design stems from the need to respond to social sector concerned about sustainability and innovation within the current framework of fashion. Combining natural fabrics with more technology to provide greater comfort that you saw and being environmentally friendly.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I was born in Madrid, Spain. I´m bachelor’s in History by the UAM and later I dedicated a stage of my life to travel by diverse countries because I love knowing other cultures, thanks to my last profession of flight attendant, that help me a lot to achieve it.
You really learn many things and helps you open your mind and your perspectives. After that I came up with the idea of studying fashion design; Something that I had always liked and finished my degree in Fashion at the Polytechnic University of Madrid- CSDMM (on Sept. 2015) and On November of the same year I won the Second Prize Fashion Academy awards El Corte Ingles as fashion designer, also One of my designs was published in Meow Magazine, in the article “A living museum” on (2015) and I was selected as a new designer fashion promise in “Chueca 108 creative Festival” (2015) .
Now a day I’m Finalist in “Actua UPM”, Business creation awards, (Sept. 2016).
I’m the cofounder of CARPEDIEM Design; That I created on November 2015. It was created with the main idea of contributing value through the innovation applied to the fashion under a social ethic, and environmental. Trying to be as environmentally friendly as possible by means of more sustainable production, based on local production, highly handmade.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I think it is a way of feeling and understanding life. I, for example, have always been very sensitive about nature, animals…but I did not know the value to buy for example a T-shirt for € 10, the human rights abuses of vulnerable people behind it all.
I began to become aware in this sense since I started my studies in design at the CSDMM-UPM, and I began to become aware of this and I began to inform me about the environmental costs involved in the production of a garment…thanks in large measure to the extraordinary Work made platforms like you – Trusted Clothes, Greenpeace…and that is so necessary…I believe that there are a series of ethical values that we must respect above all and we must strive to contribute our grain of sand to make a better world, more just, equal and respectful with both humans and the environment that surrounds us and it is the work and responsibility of all.
So when I started with my design work, I wanted to establish a main idea of the brand a fundamental principle such as work without child exploitation, respectful of the environment, with a local production, highly artisan, donate a percentage of sales to social funds and our future objective is the co-participation with a group of risk of social exclusion to make part of our products. I think that fashion has to engage more actively in this sense and I like to see that there is movement and reaction in this way and the most important is that the end customer is becoming more aware of it.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
My experience in fashion is relatively short. Although I recognize that it has always fascinated me. I finished my degree in fashion design for U.P.M in CSDMM from 2011-2015.
And I made it up with some practices in some fashion companies and my collaboration in the costumes of a movie. After finishing my degree, I decided to create my own brand, where every day I learn something new, it is a constant challenge and I feel great satisfaction with it. I think fashion without commitment is not fashionable.
Since it has a high degree of responsibility in that society moves by mimicry, so if you educate yourself in healthy fashion and healthy habits I think we all win with it. That is also my commitment that motivates me to want to do it better and better in this sense every day.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
I believe that they are opening an important way of expression of fashion, which no longer seeks only to fascinate. It is providing solutions and alternatives highly creative and efficient in a somewhat obsolete capitalist system.
By proposing new, more ethical, sustainable forms of production, and leading a change in practices throughout their supply chains, supporting the work of entities such as Trusted Clothes, Greenpeace…And is that the current trend to the consumption of fast fashion (Fast fashion) generate new fashion trends in increasingly shorter cycles, which is achieved through pressure on the supplier to deliver each time their products in shorter terms, which involves cuts in labor and environmental terms.
According to Greenpeace data We would be talking about the production of about 80,000 million garments per year worldwide; The equivalent of about 11 or 12 articles per year for every inhabitant of the planet, this volume of garments made, sold and discarded. This means a very high increase in the human and environmental costs of the garment throughout its life cycle.
We must avoid to a large extent the “disposability” since it is a key in this volume of business so great and the poor quality of many products added to the low prices motivates the need to change clothes routinely and therefore, life cycles becoming shorter, even when the fabric itself could last for decades. Much of this discarded clothing comes to landfills or is incinerated.
In Germany, one million tons of clothes are thrown every year. In the United States, the 13.1 million tons of textile products generated in 2010 accounted for 5.3% of municipal waste, while in the United Kingdom, it is one million tons per year, which places fashion brands in a key sector when it comes making a more conscious production and looking for new alternatives to it.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
For me Carry Somers and Orsola de Castro for their great and untiring work of awareness through the creation of the Fashion Revolution Day, created from the tragedy of the collapse of the Rana Plaza building in Bangladesh in the year 2013, and whose work to raise awareness.
The great fashion brands, incipient designers and the final consumer about the irreversible costs of fast fashion is really admirable. On the other hand, GREENPEACE is doing an extraordinary work with the great fashion brands in the campaign Detox. And all people, companies, volunteers… that help to make it possible.
What is CARPEDIEM Design?
CARPEDIEM Design represents the timelessness of fashion, slow fashion. Under a more innovative and technological fashion design approach we want to transmit and create an ethical and exclusive fashion brand spirit where innovation and design are constantly evolving and vanguard, without losing the values of craftsmanship and the politics of respect for The environment and social commitment.
Our mission is that our vision reaches our final client and wants to be part of it, and generate an emotional bond with us. Combining natural fabrics with more technology to provide greater comfort that you saw and being environmentally friendly.
Our products are highly handmade, produced and made in Spain by CARPEDIEM Design, with unique designs and limited edition. Specialized in designs of woman, girl and accessories.
Given the uniqueness of the products we make, we work on commission, where each garment is created unique. Taste the feeling of wearing garments made with raw materials of top quality handmade which gives it a unique and different character. We are also helping to make more social aids. Do not miss it!
What are some of its feature products?
We are mainly focused on highly handmade accessories, especially handbags, and a small line of women’s clothing and some pieces of girl’s clothing. But we are expanding our offer and by the spring of 2017 we are going to launch a collection of women’s handbags that we will call capsule that we think is going to cause speculation based on a new fabric that I still cannot reveal, and we are working on it. And then we will create a collection of women capsule in the same way.
Continued in part two…
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Author(s): Katherine Evans and Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Tallu & Co.
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2024/01/02
Before the Holidays, I was asked to be interviewed by Canadian journalist Scott Jacobsen around the Future of Wellness. The discussion evolved and will be featured on our first PODCAST Episode # 1 – The Future of Wellness launching January 15th 2024.
Here is a part of that conversation. Thanks for being here.
kath
xoxo
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Jacobsen: Your business, Tallu & Co, was founded two years ago. Yet, you bring a wealth of experience from the hospitality industry, particularly hotels, to wellness. To me, this speaks to caring for others’ wellness from food to sleep. You’ve seen an evolution of wellness culture over time from hotels to Tallu. How will the culture of wellness look in the next 5 to 10 years?
Evans: Wellness has, in fact, evolved over time. It was not founded as a complete system, and remains the same to this day. Our idea of wellness, year after year, changes. Where we want to travel and mingle, what we want to eat and drink, how we want to feel, what constitutes our intellectual lives, and such, these are the part and parcel of wellness in life.
What has Covid done to us and our families, it has changed many things, including our ideas of wellness, too. So, I think, wellness can be described as “overall mental, physical and peace in our lives.”
Hotels are an interesting one. We’re constantly wired and tired. Hotels are supposed to offer a break and respite from these trends of daily living. WELLNESS, today, can be measured by the amount of time away from our phone, off the grid, having experiences with people around us. We now live for more meaningful time together — and relationships are changing more and more. We have fewer friends, talk to others less, and have gone inside — to a place of inner balance, of quietude, a sanctum — to a more meaningful place.
Jacobsen: How do you differentiate fads from foundations of wellness?
Evans: I think there are always fads. The world wants a quick fix. Even though, there may not be a fix, or the fix may be the simplest remedies of rest and time with loved ones.
What I love about non-toxic living, that this is not new. This is not a fad. This is a foundational way of LIVING for us forever. The implications of toxins in our homes and workplaces will start to crop up now, if not yet. And in our kids’ behaviours, we can make powerful choices now, and make decisions that will positively benefit us in the future. Where do we shop? Where is our food grown? What toxins do we allow in our homes?
Jacobsen: What does Tallu & Co bring to the table?
Evans: A gorgeous offering of clean, small batch products designed to enhance your space you live in. Make the hard parts of the day better, by being easier, the idea is wellness as defined above. Our goal is to set a tone of WELLNESS.
Jacobsen: Why are people focused on inner peace and experiences now?
Evans: Covid forced us to go inward and sit a little longer. We learned to love to stay home. Stay close to loved ones, cook for our families and socials differently, Tallu & Co is all about wellness.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Kath.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/12/07
What topics most interest you?
We are interested in exploring more ways in which cork can be used in fashion.
However, we don’t see ourselves as a brand that will be always limited to cork. This is what we focus on now, but there are also many other extremely interesting new materials that are both sustainable and fashionable.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
We don’t really have a mentor, yet we have met many people sharing their experience and giving valuable advice, for which we are extremely thankful. There is always something to learn – whether it’s someone really experienced in the industry or advice from a close friend. We hope to be able to meet even more of those supportive people on our way, as founding a fashion label from scratch can be very tough.
Have you mentored others?
We are starting to experience that young designers approach us for advice on how to build a fashion brand from scratch and we love to help out wherever we can. I think that at our current stage, we are the ones who need advice and guidanceJ
What is the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
Mentorship in the fashion industry is probably more important that in other industries. It is so competitive and fast-moving that it can be quite confusing for a young brand at times – how to create a collection that would be both unique and with commercial potential, how to prioritize time and investment.
Also, relationships and contacts tend to be extremely important. It is fantastic to have someone to guide a young designer in this or even make some introductions to people in the industry. In case you have a recommendation, we would be more than happy.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012).
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
The horrible tragedy in Pakistan was the latest large wake-up call for the industry. But these things happen every day somewhere in the world. Children are being exploited, factory workers work under unsafe and unethical working condition. Fashion of the future needs to become friendly towards the environment, humans and animals at the same time. We’re proud to be part of this movement.
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
This is sadly true and we, the consumers, are in great parts responsible for this. In Western societies we step in for human rights, including empowering women and children. But with our everyday choices we do exactly the opposite – we contribute to their exploitation.
I think that many people are not entirely aware of this, of the fact that when a T-shirt costs 10 Euros and a large company is making billions of profits – that someone is paying for that – mostly the weakest and most vulnerable.
Even small brands like us can make a difference. By creating our products sustainably and ethically and at least we do not support this system. And we can help change consumers’ mindset for what a “fair” price for a bag, or any product, should be.
Our price point is – contrary to some opinion – not a premium price chosen by us. It is the price we need to charge to pay for the materials, which are all produced in Europe under fair working conditions, as well as for labour. Our mark up is tiny and might or might not cover our long-term cost of running the business.
A bag made as sustainably and fair as ours needs to cost at least what it costs.
However, I think it is the big players like H&M and Inditex that have the power to truly improve conditions. Instead of launching “ethical” collections it should be a no-brainer to produce ethically across their entire portfolio.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
Now you’re raising a big topic.
Why is it that more men are engineers than women, I could ask?
But putting aside a larger gender discussion, I think that women simply tend to be more interested in fashion and clothes. Men tend to be more pragmatic in the choice of their wardrobe.
I don’t really have a better explanation, but curious to hear if you have one. ![]()
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
The fulfillment is immense. We created this brand from a vision, a vague idea and we have made it come to live. We did not have any experience or contact in the fashion industry, so we really did everything ourselves from scratch. It is extremely though, yet so rewarding.
I don’t have children, but it does feel a little bit like our “baby” – the brand has its own soul and I can’t wait to see it grow…
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
Both my business partner and I still have day jobs. My business partner works in marketing and I work with marketing/sales for a large tech-company.
We don’t have an investor and do everything “organically”, so our returns do not make us a living yet. I hope this will change soon.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Some of my favourite fashonistas are my friends. I love it when people have their own style and wear it with confidence. When they have a great personality too, I think that makes all the difference for their style.
Any recommended means of contacting LE SURI Ltd?
Shoot me an email to nina@le-suri.com, I promise I will reply!
We are based in London and Dublin and in case anyone is curious about our brand and products, we are happy to meet up for a coffee!
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Honestly? Some of the questions you asked (regarding the social responsibility of fashion designers) made me sad, because it made me realize again how big the problem is – not only in fashion but in so many other industries as well.
It really made me realize that what we are doing is maybe more important than I thought. Thanks!
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/12/07
LE SURI is an innovative handbag label creating unique handbags made from 100 % cork. The line features highest quality natural materials – organically grown, locally harvested and produced. Read more about our interview with Le Suri’s co-founder Nina Tack.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
My name is Nina. I’m 29 years old. I am currently living in Dublin, Ireland – this is where LE SURI is headquartered. My business partner lives in London, which is our “design hub.” Luckily, those cities are well connected and it is only a 45 min flight, so even though we collaborate virtually most of the time, we can hop on a plane whenever we feel an urge to see each other face to face.
My family background is half German half Polish, but I was born and raised in Bonn, Germany. Throughout the past decade I have travelled a lot and have lived in several different countries, including Australia, Brazil, Portugal and the UK, before I moved to Ireland in the beginning of 2016, following my partner.
I hold a Master’s degree in Economics and a Master’s in International Management. After graduation, I first started to work in the education industry for a private education company, first as an executive assistant and then in sales. I have always wanted to do interesting work that would have a positive impact on society. At the same time, I have also always strived for independence. Having my own company has been my dream for a long time.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
We, the founders of LE SURI, Nina and Paab met in London in 2013 through a common friend. The first thing that brought us together was vegan cooking. We soon also discovered that we share a passion for fashion and design.
At the same time, we both felt that sadly, the exploitation of animals, humans and the environment are prevalent in the mass fashion industry. We believed that there must be another way of creating beautiful fashion without sacrificing on ethical values.
The idea for designing bags from 100% cork came when I was living in Portugal, the “home country” of cork. It is there that I first discovered cork, it’s incredible qualities and versatile ways in which it is used.
We saw that cork was already used here and there in accessories, but on a small scale by local handicraft to create souvenirs. We immediately thought that this material is amazing and has the potential to be recognized widely beyond the borders of Southern Europe and even revolutionize the entire handbag industry.
We felt, however, that it has never been given the design-attention that it deserves, so our mission became to revamp the image of cork by creating bags in contemporary design made from ethical and sustainable high quality materials.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
In my studies and professional experience, I have learnt quite a bit about marketing, which is a very important aspect of launching and running a successful fashion brand. The industry is so competitive and even when you know you have a great product and you’re convinced that there is a large audience looking for exactly what you have to offer, the challenging part is to reach those people. That’s essentially what marketing is to me.
We are newcomers to the fashion industry. It is our first label and we have never worked for any other brand before, therefore this is for us a unique journey where we are both learning and supporting each other in designing, material sourcing, manufacturing process, logistics, marketing etc.
Both of us have a business background which helps us to manage the company with a cold head. Paab has also studied interior design in the UK, however our main creative skills for designing our handbags come from pure passion for fashion.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
The challenges that the fashion industry is facing today are enormous. It is both the consumers and large fashion manufacturers that need to be made responsible for the situation that the industry is in – Consumers who want cheap new clothes every season and fashion manufacturers that respond to this and fuel this demand by ever lowering prices and production cost.
The price we pay as a global society are unethical working conditions, child labour, pollution, violation of animal rights…Change is long overdue but too hard to bring about for one single brand alone. Therefore, we need to change the industry one brand and one consumer at a time. Sustainable fashion designers play a pivotal role in this change.
They are the ones experimenting with new design concepts and presenting them to the consumer. Consumers are also seeking out those products more and more. The industry is moving in the right way and I hope that the number on the designer and consumer side will increase.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
Luckily there are more and more innovative brands dedicated to creating beautiful designs with 100% commitment to sustainability. Not necessarily only in the handbags space but look for example at Shrimps, which have changed the perception of faux fur or Uashmama who designs small household accessories and everyday bags from washable, waterproof paper.
Those brands are our heroes, as they are a transformational transformational force in the industry. When it comes to luxury sustainable handbags, there is no doubt that Stella McCartney has achieved a unique reputation for focusing on beautiful designs without making the sustainability of her bags her primary value proposition. She is a great role model and inspiration for us in that sense.
What is LE SURI Ltd?
LE SURI is newcomer fashion brand creating unique premium handbags in contemporary designs made 100% from cork – an innovative and sustainable material with similar qualities to animal leather.
We see ourselves as a transformational force within the fashion industry by redefining the rules of the traditional leather handbag industry.
Our mission is to become the first globally recognized fashion brand to have introduced cork as a reputable alternative to leather to a wider fashion-savvy audience – based on the stunning look and qualities of cork – not only based on the sustainability aspect of it.
What are some of its feature products?
Our debut collection is a handbag line which consists of 4 handbag models for men and women in various colour combinations.
In our first collection we wanted to showcase the beauty of cork both as a very natural as well as a modern and contemporary material. Therefore, we have chosen to combine cork in plain colors such as natural, black and navy with an ultra modern cork material with silver square shapes.
Geometrical shapes symbolize timelessness, elegance and modernity which is exactly what we want to embody with our brand. We have hence chosen squares to be not only the leading pattern in our first collection, but also they are represented in our logo and social media.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Our clientele is fashion savvy, eco and socially conscious consumers who are confident about their own style and are open for experimenting with their cloakroom and trying new concepts and brands. Typically aged 25-40, well travelled and living in larger cities.
Our customers are well-aware of the global issues facing the fashion industry and would like to contribute with their choice as consumers to it’s gradual transformation. Primarily our customers love great design and value uniqueness and high quality.
Continued in part two…
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2017/01/16
Continued from Part one
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
This is actually an interesting question – in some ways, mostly very short-term, they can help the workers. But for the most part they are simply a diversion and the companies that employ sub-standard methods are never really held accountable. The amount of din helps the consumer to believe something is being done, even though nothing is actually changing. For more information, you can check out this article I wrote on safe working conditions in the wake of factory disasters.
Women and children remain the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
Women and children are absolutely a focus, especially since they have less resources at their disposal that they can employ to affect change. But we should not be mistaken – the families these women and children come from also have men that are being equally as exploited, just in other industries. It shouldn’t matter if it’s fashion or a dog toy, being aware of the atrocities of the supply chain are a consumer responsibility and only by taking action (by supporting responsible companies) will we make things better for anyone.
Who is a women’s rights and children’s rights activist or campaigner hero for you?
This may sound callous, but I am less concerned with human rights than animal and environmental rights. Humans have control of their existence. It is not always a lot of control, but their are always choices to be made. I am primarily libertarian in ideology so I do not believe in coddling people – whatever your situation, it is up to you to make it better. They have ways to fight their own battles. Animals, on the other hand, are truly oppressed and can not change their situation without our help. The environment then suffers the consequences of our actions, and soon none of us will have a choice about much of anything. I love David Suzuki, the Canadian environmentalist, for his ideas about working with the earth (for example, why do we farm cows in Australia where no cow exists naturally?). I also love Anita Roddick and Jane Goodall for the work they’ve done with animals. And I think Al Gore should be acknowledged for his efforts at bringing the idea of sustainability to the general masses.
The Gender Inequality Index (GII) relates to the empowerment of women, gender equality, and international women’s rights. The progress for gender equity is positive. Regressive forces exist in explicit and implicit forms. What seem like some of the explicit and implicit forms observed in personal and professional life to you?
There are certainly a lot of things that can be said about gender equality, but I think the aspect that gets lost in all of the din is the insidious detail of it. There are many large strides being made in effort of equality, but there is this unspoken stigma in being a woman that permeates your entire life.
When I was old enough to drive and work and make a life for myself, I would meet many new people, groups of friends would merge, overlap, or divide, and so I was often in situations where introductions were required. What I started to notice is that, if I was the only female in the group, I would not be introduced. It’s a small thing, hardly noticeable. But I noticed. And I felt it. And it shaped the opinions I have and the social niceties that I employ. So while I think we should continue working towards equality, we can’t forget to address the ideals and attitudes that shaped the inequality to begin with.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations, women and children, in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
The most important thing a consumer can do is vote with their dollar. If you don’t buy products that are mass produced using slave labour, require toxic chemicals, and basically just abuse the supply chain, they won’t make them. It’s. That. Simple.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at most levels. Why?
Tradition? Fashion really became a woman’s game around the turn of the 20th century – early periods saw men’s fashion hold a much higher considered importance. There were a number of factors that lead to this, but I personally think those reasons are going extinct and we are seeing greater involvement from men going forward.
Also, more men than women appear at the highest ends of the business ladder in fashion. Why?
Again, tradition? Men have traditionally taken more senior management roles than women, and within fashion, the manager is not always the designer. I think many companies would have felt a man from a different field would make a better CEO than a woman from within the fashion industry.
What might make men more involved in the fashion world in general?
As we relax the stereotypes about what are acceptable behaviors/interests for males versus females, I believe men will look more towards the fashion industry as a way to express their individuality. As I said earlier, it took me a long time to realize that fashion designers are not fashionistas – there are many roles within the industry that would appeal to people that are not necessarily fashion-oriented, and designing is only one of them.
What might make men more involved in the ethical and sustainable fashion world in general?
I think the barrier to entry is the same for everyone: knowledge. The more you know the more you will feel the need to do better.
Will having men in the discussion and on-the-ground improve the implementation of children’s and women’s rights?
I’m almost a little offended by the premise of this question. It is not about women’s rights, or children’s rights, or men’s rights…It is about the rights of humans, the rights of animals, and the rights of the Earth.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Every person who buys one of my pieces has made a decision to do better by the world. There are a lot of people that absolutely do not care, so having this reassurance, that someone besides myself does care, is the hope that sustains my optimism.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I’ve done a lot of volunteering in the past, but recently I turned my attention to writing. I have a wealth of information accumulated over the years, and I love sharing it with anyone that wants to learn. You can find my work on my website and on Socially Conscious Brands.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
For anyone just starting to shape their beliefs, I recommend Tom Robbins. I also love the Earth’s Children series by Jean Auel, and the Hitchhiker’s Trilogy by Douglas Adams.
Almost any dystopian speculative fiction can be eye opening to our current situation, but my favorite authors are Neal Stephenson and Margaret Atwood. Jennifer Nini is a (non)fashionista whom I follow – I love her attitude about life! I think fashion (should be) too personal to follow someone simply for their style, but Jennifer, TheYarina (Fashion Hedge), and Livia Firth are all spreading important ideas!
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, JuliaEden Designs?
You can easily contact me through my website. I welcome all inquiries and am open to all opportunities!
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in business for you?
Design can be very personal…I knew I was creating something different, something that doesn’t exist anywhere else, and that is very scary. I am still struggling to believe that there are enough people out there that also like what I do to sustain my business (and to help it grow to become the non-profit I am dreaming of).
What has been the greatest emotional struggle in personal life for you?
I have dealt with a multitude of existential crises and a wealth of chemical imbalances, but the most recent example of emotional struggle that comes to mind is Bowie’s death. That hit me hard and I still have a difficult time when I think about it. The reasons why are pretty personal.
What philosophy makes most sense of life to you?
Whatever you get when you cross Taoism with Absurdism. I may not always achieve that level of peace with my surroundings, but it’s comforting to try. I think it was best summed up by Angel, “if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do”.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
I think the main thing that people need to remember is that they have an incredible amount of power, and if they choose not to use that power by not being informed about the consumer choices they make, then that power is wasted.
Thank you for your time, Julia.
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Outsider was launched in 2009 with a mission statement that set the scene “Ethical fashion should just look like fashion”. Read more about our interview with Noorin Khamisani and her views on the fast fashion.
I was born in London to a Polish mother and Indian father. I grew up speaking both English and Polish. I was raised knowing some of my family were Muslim, some were Roman Catholic. I found Buddhism in my twenties.
What is your personal story – education, prior work, and so on?
I studied Fashion Design at UCA Rochester, upon graduation I worked for independent designers such as Jessica Ogden, Ann-Sofie Back, Susan Cianciolo and Jonathon Saunders. I then worked for more conventional brands including Debenhams, Hobbs and Ted Baker. These differing companies gave a strong grounding in understanding the fashion industry.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I was always interested in natural fibres and vintage fabrics and a slower approach to design as championed by Jessica Ogden and Susan Cianciolo back in the late 90s early 00s. Then as I worked for bigger high street brand I learnt about the challenges of managing large international supply chains. So for me it was a slow process over a number of years as I learnt about the ethical and environmental impact of the fashion industry my interest grew and developed.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
By working with consideration for ethics and sustainability they/we offer an alternative. It’s a demonstration that fashion can be designed, manufactured, marketed and sold in a different way. This is essential to lead by example and hopefully inspire more and more companies to work in more responsible ways.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
It’s not strictly speaking “fashion” but it is clothing related, so Yvon Chounard of Patagonia is a hero for me. He has been trailblazing and leading by example for many many years. Their bravery and openness is very inspiring and has pushed many other large companies to make changes to their supply chains.
What is Outsider?
An ethical and sustainable fashion label specialising in timeless versatile womenswear.
What inspired the title of the organization?
It is a reference to offering an alternative. We create fashion items but from different materials and with more focus on ethics, so we are on the periphery of the conventional fashion world. Or at least we were when we launched in 2009. Happily, we have seen many changes in the industry over the last 7 years, although there is a long way to go. The name Outsider was also a reference to the impact we can have by choosing an alternative to fast fashion – “It just takes one Outsider to make a difference”.
What are some of its feature products?
We specialize in dresses as they can be so versatile as part of your wardrobe. Our favourite style is the shirt dress as it is so timeless and can work from desk to dinner with just a change of accessories.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Women from a wide age range, we have customers from their early 20s to 60s. Currently our main customer base is in the UK but we are reaching more and more European customers now we have launched a site in Euro.
What topics most interest you?
Sustainable fabric innovation is my passion. I love the amazing solutions coming through to the challenges faced by the fashion industry. It’s incredible how waste streams from milk, oranges and pineapple have been used to create new fabrics.
Have you mentored others?
I teach part-time at London College of Fashion and have interns working with me, so I have mentored fashion students. I really hope to ensure the next generation of fashion designers are better informed, so they can make more ethical and sustainable choices.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
Fashion is such a competitive industry, mentors can help to guide and encourage persistence which is so needed for success.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). How do tragedies shed light on work conditions in garment factories?
These tragedies highlight how much more work needs to be done by large brands to ensure their supply chains are ethical. The main issue is the separation that has been created between brands and factories. But when these tragedies occur and we see they are producing for well-known brands, it reminds us all that they are responsible for ensuring that working conditions are safe. Without those skilled people there would be no clothing to sell.
Women and children remain the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
It is crucial we keep moving towards equal rights and pay for women and that all workers are paid a living wage to ensure that children can attend school (and not have to work). This is a key consideration for all fashion brands to ensure they are monitoring their supply chains.
Child labor and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labor. A few million children in the case of child slavery. According to the Minimum Age Convention (1973), labor before the age of 14, 15, or 16, dependent upon the country, is child labor. The Convention on the Rights of the Child (1989) represent the importance of children’s rights on the ‘international stage’ in Article 2(2), Article 3(1) Article 3(2). In addition, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966) in Article 24(1-3) and International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (1966) in Article 10(3) delineate the importance of children’s rights too. These stipulations about equality remain violated in the fashion industry, especially the manufacturing sector or the garment industry. How can individuals get the word out about these extreme children’s rights violations?
In this area social media can be extremely powerful in sharing information and highlighting issues which the mass media often chooses to ignore. Starting petitions, sharing stories and questioning brands are all good starting points.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
I have always loved fashion but when I learnt more about the issues surrounding sustainability and ethics I had to reassess that love. For me creating a fashion item responsibly and consciously and then seeing that item picked up by a customer is very fulfilling. Even more so when that customer wears their item for a long time and in many ways. That is how we fight fast fashion, but developing long term relationships with our clothes.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
Sass Brown has written some great books and also compiles fantastic information on her website all about ethical and sustainable fashion.
Any recommended means of contacting, even becoming involved with, Outsider?
We are on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and share ethical fashion news through our blog.
Thank you for your time, Noorin.
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Continued from Part 1 here
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
I think they are inextricably linked. Women are still the main caregivers, and are thus in a very good position to make informed decisions on what is ultimately good for them and for their children. It is important to give women the opportunity to have a say at all levels in the light of this.
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
First, we need to care. We have become somewhat desensitized due to an overload of media and information. We need to consider the impact of certain practices as happening to real human beings. We also need to do our best to make a difference in our own communities and work practices to start with. One person can make a difference. We also have more opportunities to share information about inequalities through the internet, but it is getting harder to verify the sources and accuracy of information. I guess the key thing is, change needs to start with ME.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
As I said earlier in this interview, people in the industry and consumers will actually benefit from changing their attitudes and practices, including financially. One online business I have looked at is providing housing and education to its workers, and the payback is better productivity and standard of product. (www.shopvida.com)
What topics most interest you?
Fashion, art, design, sustainability, natural dyes, stitching in all its forms – not necessarily in that order!
Did you have a mentor in this work?
Over the years, I have attended many workshops with both local and international tutors. They have all played an important part in mentoring me, but I do work alone a lot.
Have you mentored others?
Yes, by hosting and/or tutoring workshops, hosting exhibitions, and working with small groups and individuals. This has taken place mostly at my business, but also sometimes at other venues and events around Australia.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
I think it is important, so that good ethics and practices can be shared. Sometimes people have a certain mindset, and having a mentor can help them to see new possibilities and make attitudinal changes.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
This could be because people think that the fashion industry isn’t an acceptable masculine line of work. Having said that, we have a male couturier and teacher in Launceston, so it can happen! I think we should focus more on talent and opportunity for all, rather than just gender.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
I find it immensely satisfying. I love doing what I do, and I’m very content with where I am and where I am heading.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I am on a local committee which has just established a local handmade market this year, focusing on the talents of our local artists, makers and producers. I handle the publicity, and I also participate as a stallholder. (www.facebook.com/thestableshandmademarkettasmania)
From time to time I also write for magazines. My most recent published article is ‘Collaborating with Nature’, in the current issue of Down Under Textiles (produced by Practical Publishing Pty Ltd).
Any recommended authors or fashionistas (or fashionistos)?
I am intrigued by Julian Roberts’ subtraction pattern cutting ideas, and would like to pursue my own designs using his methods. I also love India Flint’s work, particularly her costume designs.
Any recommended means of contacting Gone Rustic?
I can be contacted via email or online:
www.facebook.com/gonerusticstudiogallery
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
One thing I would like to stress is that it is never too late to follow your dreams. Age is not an issue – energy, ideas and enthusiasm are not limited unless we limit them. Often it is our own mindset that we need to overcome.
I really appreciate your giving me the opportunity to talk about what I do via this interview – thank you!
Thank you for your time, Rita.
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Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I am happily married to Ian, and have 2 adult children and 1 grandchild. I was born in Canada to Dutch parents, but have lived in Tasmania Australia since I was in highschool. It’s a great place to live and work! I have a Bachelor’s Degree in Education, with an Art Major. In later years I also gained a Diploma in Art Craft Design. I own and operate a gallery and studio in the northeast country town of St Marys, which I opened in 2003. I rented a building to begin with, and the following year my husband and I purchased and renovated the current premises. I have worked in education at various levels as a teacher; I have also worked in management in community organisations.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
When I was young, I was always drawing and designing clothes. I made clothes for my dolls and my sisters’ dolls, and later for myself and then my children. There were no opportunities in Tasmania to follow fashion as a career, so my life took a different path for many years. I have always been interested in fabric and sewing, and since opening my gallery have established myself as a textile artist, focusing on both hand and machine techniques. In the process I have been fortunate to win a number of awards and have my work exhibited widely.
I have been eco dyeing fabrics for my textile art since 2008, but after learning from fellow textile artist Aukje Boonstra that vintage nylon could be dyed naturally my imagination took off and I was able to indulge in my first love – fashion! I often use upcycled materials in my textile art, so it was only a small step to upcycle clothing. I now also have a new Blue Label range which includes clothing I’ve made myself, using found and eco dyed fabrics. I still continue to expand my upcycled clothing range with eco dyeing as well.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
Many people have a narrow view of what art is. My fine arts background has given me the confidence and knowledge to push the boundaries of this perception. Art can be made with any medium – artists of the past have shown us that! I bring the principles of fine art to my work, but reinvent it and make it my own. I don’t only enter textile art exhibitions; I also enter mainstream art exhibitions, and have been juried into them a number of times. I also won a national art award which was very affirming! Hopefully there will be more …
It has also been extremely useful to work in management and in community organisations. I believe we need to invest in the communities we live in, especially rural areas, and this has been my focus in opening my business. The result has been that my arts practice has also benefited in unexpected ways!
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
I believe it is extremely important! People in this industry often work in substandard and dangerous conditions, and some have lost their lives because of this. The industry is also very wasteful, and in our consumer society we throw out so many clothes after wearing them only a few times. This leads to land fill problems. What also concerns me is that the processes used to manufacture and dye commercial fabrics are often detrimental to the environment and to workers’ health. I am only one person with a very small business, but it is important to me to do things in the right way, and to give cast off garments a new life and prevent them from being wasted. In this way I feel that I am honouring the work of some anonymous textile worker by giving a garment a new life by reinventing it. I also hope I am making a difference to perceptions about fashion, and try to lead by personal example.
When I use new fabrics, I mostly use remnants, i.e. the leftovers from other people’s sewing, or the ‘end of roll’ bargains in stores and online. Again, I am salvaging something that is deemed to have little or no value, and giving it a new purpose, I also do not import natural dyes. I use what is available around me, so that I don’t add to my carbon footprint. This includes plants and leaves from our own property, from the roadside, other people’s gardens (with permission) and even onion skins from our local supermarket which would normally be thrown out!
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
There are many people I admire, most of whom are not famous or even hugely successful. I follow them on Instagram, go to their workshops when I can and network with them online and face to face whenever possible. Recently I attended a Sustainable Living Festival in Hobart, and had a stall there in company with other Tasmanian ethical and sustainable fashion designers and makers. We also featured our clothing in a Fashion Parade during the event. It was an inspiring time, and these grass roots artists are the people I truly admire.
Having said that, I have a collection of books by authors who I greatly respect and from whom I’ve learned so much in relation to eco dyeing but also other processes. Two that come to mind are Alice Fox and India Flint. I have also attended workshops by Tasmanian tutor Aukje Boonstra (mentioned above), whose practices, art and garments are exceptional.
Eco dying by Gone Rustic- Two tops, a scarf and a tunic eco dyed with native cherry + copper; wrapped around iron springs or bars. Layered with 2 kinds of eucalyptus leaves.
What is Gone Rustic?
Gone Rustic is my studio and gallery, based in a renovated building in the main street of our town. This is where I create and display my art and fashion. Until recently, I have also hosted regular exhibitions of other artists, particularly local and regional, to encourage them and bring their work into the public eye. After 13 years, I feel it is time for a change of direction, so the building is on the market. I will keep the business, but will operate it in a different way. I have had an online presence for a number of years and want to build on that, as well as hosting workshops and retreats on some land we have purchased and are building on. My other aim is to participate more in events and markets, which I can only do occasionally now because of my business commitments. I am looking forward to being more flexible, but I will miss the studio and gallery!
What are some of its feature products?
My sign says it all! The jewellery and skin care products are sold on consignment from local makers, but everything else is my work.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
It is mainly women, but the men sometimes come in and buy things for their wives, or attend exhibitions that I host. I sell to the local population, the tourists who visit our area and increasingly online. These days, I am not limited by my geographic isolation.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
I think these rights are important across the board, not just in the garment industry. Everyone deserves respect, fair treatment and fair pay. We all need to be appreciated for our skills, and what we earn and how and where we have to work must reflect this. I also believe there are financial benefits to employers and society in general – workers who are paid and treated well will often work harder and show more commitment to their jobs. They will tend to stay longer in the same job, and remain in their local communities. By treating them fairly, workers can invest financially and emotionally in their places of residence. The health benefits are also potentially immense, with less job dissatisfaction or fear of the future. This would improve physical and mental health I’m sure. Call me an idealist, but we underestimate the value of happiness and contentment in our work.
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
As a woman, and a mother and grandmother, I believe the rights of women and children are vital. We have still not come far enough in treating people of all ages and gender in an equitable and fair manner. This includes western society, but especially those living and working in third world countries.
Continued in part two…
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There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
In BIBICO, we work with WFTO organizations, see link: http://wfto.com/. The ladies’ organization that we work with in India and Nepal make sure that all of the principals of fair trade are applied every single day.
The core of our business is social, really making sure that no kids are involved in the production of our clothes, and making sure that there is zero discrimination. 99.9% of our staff are ladies. Ladies that come from the street and thanks to working with the cooperatives they get the chance to come out of poverty through work and lots of social coaching to try to bring them out of the poverty chain.
The fact that some of the major high street brands have been abusing people to produce their low cost clothes ranges is unhuman. Everyone should know that behind a t-shirt that cost £5 there should be someone on the other end been exploit.
The story behind kids and ladies exploitation on the fashion world is a long one that cant be explain on an interview…I’ve seen myself how desperate mothers prefer to send their kids to work to earn some money rather than send them to school…
We are really talking the bottom of the human pyramid….but it really exists. It is there!!!! To make those mothers understand that education is the way to get them out of poverty is hard to understand when you don’t have anything to eat……but it all comes from education, and in our ladies’ cooperatives we not only educate the mothers, but we also offer a free in-house kindergarten for all ladies’ kids, and schooling service for mature kids.
Women’s and kids’ right are a must…everyone in this world should have rights…but in these societies we are talking about how they divide themselves in the caste system, and depending on what caste you are born you have rights or not…. It is not just up to us in the West to help them with their rights. It is their own developing society that needs to change. They need to support each other and bring some balance.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
With all the work that I’ve done, and the super long hours that I put into the business, I often forget what is behind BIBICO. We are not a charity, we are a business so often I forget all the social work and care that is behind each product. But deep down I feel super proud of helping others with my work, I wish I could help more, but we are only a small company trying our best to change the way fashion works.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I’ve started to work with a supplier in India that work with a charity of underprivileged kids. In India, life could be very harsh for lots, and more for families with disabled kids. This organization gives them schooling and work. It is a really great organization and I am proud to be part of it.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas?
We are not into the crazy fashion work. I’ve been there already when I started to work on fashion at the age of 18. Now, I just believe in nice, simple, wearable quality products to wear now and in 10 years. We are not a fashion lead company.
Any recommended means of contacting BIBICO?
You can contact us through our website. We are always there to discuss and give advice.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
I just wish more people could see the effort behind any ethical brand. Still to this day, people don’t know the amount of extra work involved behind in any of our products. I am working with people that don’t come from a fashion background. People that don’t wear the same clothes as us in the western world. People from a completely different culture and background…so every new design, every new piece needs to be discussed and made 10 times before getting it right. So, I will really hope that people could have the time to read more about what is behind each piece of clothing…I really hope the clothes could talk!!!!
Thank you for your time, Snow and Tim.
Thanks to you, Scott.
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Bibico is an ethical clothing brand reknown for its simple effortless style. Their clothes are made from the best quality natural materials and produced in fair trade cooperatives, certified by the World Fair Trade Organisation. Read more about Bibico with our interview with Snow, Bibico’s founder and designer.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I am a 39-year-old mother of 2 little girls. I come from the north of Spain, but have been living in the UK for the last 10 years. I did my fashion degree in France and worked for major high street brands, including ZARA, for over 12 years before I started with BIBICO on 2008.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
After working for over 12 years on high street fashion, I got very disappointed on the speed and heartlessness of the fashion world. When I started to work on the fashion business in 1997 with Zara we used to produce 1 collection every 6 months. By the time I finished working for the high street fashion in 2008 for Topshop London, we were producing new collections every week and putting big pressure on price and on the whole production chain….it was too unhuman for me to be part of it so I quit my job in the fashion industry to prove to people that making slow high street fashion at good prices was possible.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
I’ve been working in the fashion industry since I was 18. I’ve seen with my own eyes lot’s of changes in the fashion world. The information is there, the problem is some people don’t want to see it….I used to get really down when I was working in London for a major high street brand and used to give instructions to mature Chinese ladies working form a garage in London and getting pay less than £5 per hour
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
Show to the high street world that ethical fashion is possible. Be transparent and inform people…most of the people don’t know what is behind their clothes…they just consume….we need to educate people….hard work in this high spending society!!!
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
The ladies that work for us are my heroines…The Spanish lady that set up the cooperative I work with in India. She started to work with underprivileged people in the 60’s…she was the pioneer of the ethical world…She did change the lives of thousands of ladies…
What is BIBICO?
An ethical company that wants to prove to people that every day ethical clothing is possible
What are some of its feature products?
Our hand knitted jumpers are always very popular. I guess it is hard to find a hand knitted jumper out there, and people can really appreciate the amount of work behind one hand knitted jumper…someone has been knitting for 3 to 5 days to finish one jumper, and each piece is unique and made with pure wool……amazing!
What is your customer base – the demographics?
40- to 60-year-old ladies that believe in good quality products and prefer to buy less but good.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
No, I wish I had one. I come from a family of hard working self-employed people, so I guess they were my mentors.
Have you mentored others?
No, but I will do…I think it is amazing to give back…experience is everything…you can learn lots from book, but the advice of someone that comes from the same background is priceless.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
Always great to have mentors, but they must come from the same background as you, and from a hand-on experience…There are a lot of mentors out there but they are academic mentors…a good mentor is someone that has done it, not someone that has studied it!!!!
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
I guess us ladies are more into fashion than men. We like to feel good and look good. And for centuries we have been told to knit, stitch, and fix things around the house…For example, 99% of the knitters that make our hand knitted jumpers come from rural Nepal where knitting has always been a necessity and pastime skill. In Nepal, ladies are knitting everywhere, for the house it is necessity, but also as a pass time craft, chatting with their friends over some tea!!!!
Continued on to part two.
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Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of te status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
The maxim, since we do not conceive child exploitation, it is something that must be eradicated. All children must have the right to be educated and right to a childhood, to be children, to play, to be formed, to be happy, this would be a fair world, does a child have the same value as a garment? And not only in the world of fashion, child exploitation is present in many industries, and is regrettable.
Equally, in the case of women, no human being should be exploited under any circumstances.
For these are very important to the work of many organizations of labor with women who have been exploited, which seems to us a great initiative to give them a better life, so that they have access to decent work.
In regards to Blue Dolls®, we have made the complete production process internally since the year 2013, in our own company. We create fair and decent jobs. We respect everyone who collaborates with us.
Previously, we made our collections in local factories with the same philosophy.
We have always supported decent work.
Ethical fashion doesn’t include exploitation of any kind.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
In my view, if in the most vulnerable societies the wages and rights of women were to be equated with that of men, they would not resort to child exploitation, since conjugal family income would be sufficient for family support.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
I think many designers and independent brands are already that way. The problem is with the large fashion industries, unfortunately is a matter of margins and benefits, can the large industries change their attitude?
I think that today there is a lot of information about exploitation in the fashion industry. There are a lot of documentaries. There is talk about it in television programs, in the television news, and so on.
There are constant publications on this subject, but we still see long lines in the mega stores of brands of mass clothing that are still full of people buying in their stores.
If the final consumer is informed and refuses to buy manufactured clothing under exploitation, that would be the end of the problem.
On the other hand, it is true that more and more people are interested in knowing how the garments they buy have been made. That is our public.
What to do? Not to be part of it, not to manufacture in a situation of exploitation. As a brand, we have the responsibility to inform ourselves, to know exactly where and how our garments are made. As a consumer, we must do the same.
What topics most interest you?
Personally, I am interested in topics related to art. I like to enjoy a good exhibition. A good book, music, movies, and everything that nourishes my soul and my mind; on the other hand, I am also informed of the current policy. It is important to be up-to-date, especially when in our country we are going through a somewhat “moved” stage in that aspect, and of course, I am interested in the world of fashion, in all its aspects.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
A specific mentor…no, I have 18 years of experience in the fashion business, during my stages I have learned a lot in different companies, colleagues, department heads, etc., my own experience has been my mentor.
Have you mentored others?
During a stage of my life. I was working as a teacher of fashion design. I don’t know if this can be considered mentoring, but it is closest as I’ve been to it.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
I imagine that if you have a mentor it should be something important and special, someone to guide you and avoid some mistakes, facilitate the way… but I think this figure of the mentor is not very common in Spain.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
Personally, I don’t have that opinion. At least, in the environments in which I have seen, in the companies that I have worked, the factories with which we have collaborated, I have always seen men in this profession…Perhaps less than women, but it happens in many professions, more women than men, and vice versa.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
For me, it is a complete personal fulfillment. It isn’t only a job. For me, and my business partner, it is a way of life. We feel proud of our work. We feel full with what we do. Our motor is the illusion, motivation, and love we feel for our work.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
In addition to our Fashion Brand Blue Dolls®, we also have a little clothes factory, AD&LOP, in our factory we give support to independent designers and author fashion brands like ours.
Since we don’t demand a high minimum of productions, as this is a problem with which the independent design is found, many factories demand lots of clothes to manufacture, that the independent designers cannot assume, in our workshop they find the support and the advice to carry out their productions of limited edition or to initiate their first collection.
We carry out the processes of design of garments, pattern construction, confection, cut, everything that involves the development of a collection. We also have many customers who make sustainable fashion, because in our small factory we work with an ethical development.
Any recommended means of contacting Blue Dolls?
All stores, and customer who wants to buy ethical fashion, made with love, passion, and respect for this work.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
The feeling that we are doing a good job, that we are many who think that another way of doing things is possible, that there are many people who want change, that is very positive.
Thank you for your time, Marcia.
Thanks to you for this opportunity, Scott.
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Belvele’s founder, Monica Rojas, became fascinated with fashion at a young age. She has worked in the industry for 10 years in various roles, including management, merchandising, and buying. Read more about our interview with her.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I was born in Switzerland, and my family is from Ecuador. I spent six years living in each country before moving to the United States at age 12. I became fascinated with fashion at a young age, but I decided to study business management in college, and completed a Master’s in Business Administration a few years later. I have worked in the fashion industry for 10 years in various roles, including management, merchandising, and buying.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I became interested in sustainable fashion once I realized I was contributing to all the negative hidden costs associated with this industry. Just a few months after the Rana Plaza garment factory collapse, I decided to finally take sewing lessons, as making and designing my own clothes had been a dream of mine for years. I apprenticed with Cherry Barthel in Kansas City, and it was evident to me very quickly that the amount of labor it takes to produce a garment is not reflected in the price.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
As I began trying to shop more consciously and make my own clothing, I learned more and more about the devastating effects on the environment due to the production and overconsumption of clothing. Eventually, I realized the best way to leverage my experience and skills to improve this industry would be by creating a platform to promote ethical fashion designers.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
We believe in showcasing the people behind the clothes– the entrepreneurs, designers, and artisans who turn a concept into wearable art. They represent fashion, or what we believe fashion SHOULD be: design, craftsmanship, and sustainability.
One of the reasons people consume mindlessly these days is that there is an assumption that producing these things is easy, that there must be a machine making them. The fact is that in 2016, there is still a person cutting and sewing your shirt, attaching sequins to your dress by hand. They deserve safe working conditions and fair compensation for their labor.
We believe that when people know the story of the people behind the products, they find more value in those items. They are more willing to invest in pieces of higher quality, and to take better care of those items. Fashion is not disposable.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
There’s a multitude of inspiring and influential people in the sustainable fashion world. I would say one of my favorites is Emma Watson. She realized how much influence she has, how much exposure she gets on every action she does, every dress she wears to an event. She is using that platform to inform her fans of issues that matter to her. This is especially meaningful to me in contrast to so many other celebrities out there, who accept sponsorships from any fashion brand or participate in product collaborations without paying any attention to the production process of the garments they are helping to promote.
What is Belvele LLC?
Belvele is a carefully curated online boutique featuring men’s and women’s garments that are responsibly sourced, while maintaining a fresh, contemporary aesthetic. By supporting designers who use responsibly sourced materials and manufacturing processes, we help small businesses flourish, and stop contributing to the demand of products that hurt the environment and put people’s lives at risk.
What are some of its feature products?
We feature men’s and women’s clothing made with organic, natural, or recycled fibers. All products are either made in the US or fair trade certified. Designers include: Amour Vert, Apolis, Emerson Fry, Elise Ballegeer, Esby, First Rite, Groceries Apparel, Jungmaven, Maison du Soir, Miakoda NY, Micaela Greg, Make it Good Apparel, Threads 4 Thought.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Our customer base consists mainly of millennials in the United States, who are interested in supporting independent designers and/or ethical fashion.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
I believe that although technology has brought about many ways to distract ourselves from things that matter, at least part of our generation is using technology to learn more about how the world works and connect with people around the globe. The garment industry has been profiting through the exploitation of people who have few or no other options to survive, and they have used flashy marketing and cheap prices to distract people from their actions. It is up to us to shed a light on these issues and give a voice to these people, while also highlighting those few in the industry who are doing it right.
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
Women and children are clearly more vulnerable and depend on this work to survive, as they have few or no other options. It is up to us, the consumer, to demand that the brands we support provide fair wages and safe working conditions.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
I am not an expert in this subject. I would recommend that consumers change their shopping habits to shop less, shop better, make it last. The first step is to shift our culture away from consumerism. If people start INVESTING in items of better quality, they will have more emotional connection, gain more satisfaction from them, and will be more likely to use that item for an extended period of time. Consumers must also demand transparency from brands that they would like to buy from. All retailers depend on buyers, so in the end, the consumer makes the rules. Designers and fashion brands must take accountability for their production process.
What topics most interest you?
My interests range from economics to literature, music, and any form of art. The reason that Fashion is interesting to me is its ever-changing nature, and the juxtaposition of art and function.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
I try to learn something from almost every person I come in contact with, but Cherry Barthel, my mentor in design and construction definitely had a major impact in my vocation and career path.
Have you mentored others?
I have been in management and leadership roles for over a decade, so I have mentored many people along the way. It is very rewarding and a multifaceted learning experience for me as well.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
I believe that any time people can exchange information and points of view on subjects that interest them, it is highly beneficial to all those involved. It also opens the opportunity for greater creativity.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
I am more interested in questioning why, even though more women are involved in the fashion industry, it is still usually men holding the highest executive positions at many of these companies. Something doesn’t add up there.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Aside from a creative outlet and the satisfaction of working in a field that interests me, I enjoy feeling like my efforts will serve a higher purpose. I had become disenchanted with the fashion industry when I learned about all of its negative effects on our world. I am able to continue being a part of it, as long as I feel that I am part of the solution to these problems.
Any recommended means of contacting Belvele LLC?
We can be contacted at info@belvele.com. To stay in touch, you can sign up for our newsletter, or follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and Pinterest.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
We just want to thank you for being part of this movement, bringing awareness to these issues, and helping to highlight designers and brands that are trying to make a difference.
Thank you for your time, Monica.
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Continues from part one here
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of the status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
Where to begin! As we create safe conditions for women and children, we create a better society. In North America, we may not think about it because we enforce rules against child labour and women have pretty amazing rights compared to other countries.
The truth is that the rights of women truly help a society to grow. Women’s labour force participation is crucial to the growth and innovation of any industry and economy. In the sustainable world, I believe that as we champion women’s labour (and paying them fair wages, not discriminating against them if they have children etc) and reject products made by children, we send a message to other people that there is a better way.
I don’t think that we can pressure any country to enforce or enact laws that protect their citizens, but we can reward specific businesses and organizations that are in line with what we think is right. As those businesses start to do well, others will take note and follow.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
The relationship between women’s rights and children’s rights is a close one. As women start to gain equality they are in a better position to take care of their children. As a mother of two I understand this. If a woman is getting paid 70% less than a man, as is possible in other countries, then she may HAVE to ask her children to work to pay the bills. Now, if the same woman is getting paid a decent wage, she will ALWAYS put her children first: send them to school, buy them decent clothing, give them great food.
I think that women’s rights are children’s rights. I would say the 95% of mothers do the best that they can with what they have. They would never put their children in harm’s way unless they were forced to. As women gain more equality and power, their children will do better. This is not to say that we don’t need children’s rights. All I am saying is that as long as a mother has the tools she needs to care for her family (or have access to proper family planning) the better off children are.
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
I can’t say that I have the full answer for this question, but what I would do is talk to the people around you about these issues – get them thinking about it. Personally, I would call up CBC and ask them to do a story on this issue. The media has a lot of power (rightly or wrongly). If you find an organization that is doing good work in this field share their message and consider supporting their cause through your time or financially. I would also implore people to really do their research before sending money to a charity. Check how they spend their funds and inquire about their long-term plans.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Ask questions! If you are a designer, ask your suppliers about the materials they use, ask about the labour conditions. Request to see the facilities that the products are made in. Source as local as possible. That way you know exactly who made your items.
As a consumer, I always shop local for clothing and other household items. If I do buy clothes that are made overseas I shop consignment. I do my research before I buy things. I will go online, look up the company, and then go back and buy the thing I want.
Another thing you can do as a customer is write a letter (seriously, no one gets mail anymore, so it makes it special!). I once wrote a letter to my car maker complaining about their sponsorship of the World Cup in Qatar. There are some serious human rights violations going on with the construction of facilities. I told them that my last car was a Hyundai, I just bought a new Hyundai, my sister drives a Hyundai, and they could be sure that if they don’t review their sponsorship they would be losing a customer.
I did get a response back from Hyundai Canada saying that they would take up the issue with the global office. I really appreciated the response. I know that my personal lifetime spend with the company isn’t big, but at least they know that someone, somewhere is watching. If I care and took the time to tell them, then at least 10 other people care!
At the end of the day, it really comes down to a morality thing. Do you care? If you do care, do everything in your power to change a situation or fix a problem.
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Alora was founded in 2013 in the beautiful city of Calgary, Alberta. Co-founders and mother-daughter duo of Emilyn and Jameela, began handcrafting jewelry on their kitchen table with the belief that jewelry should be beautiful, personal and meaningful.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
My name is Jameela and I was born and raised in Calgary, Canada. My father, who passed away when I was 7, was from Ghana, and my mother is from Jamaica. I went to school in Canada and did two years of schooling in Ghana. I went to Mount Royal University and accomplished two things: obtained a Bachelor of Business Administration and met my husband! After graduating I travelled throughout West Africa where I learned a lot about my heritage and embraced the rich, and colourful culture of that region.
Upon coming home, I got a job in insurance, and not even a year later, my husband and I were expecting our first child. After having my first child I decided that I wouldn’t be going back to work. My mother and I had been making jewelry as a hobby, so the only logical course of action was to turn my hobby into a business!
I now have two children, am living in Canada, and pursuing my dream of owning an ethical and sustainable business.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
When I went to Ghana I was intrigued by the way that people reused what, to the untrained eye, looked like rubbish. I immediately fell in love with the recycled glass beads that are vibrant and meaningful. Turning waste into something beautiful resonated with me. It seemed like a renewal to me.
This translated into my jewelry design because I grew frustrated with “handmade” jewelry just being various made in China items put together in the West. There was total disregard for the people who made the items, and it undermined the true nature of handmade items. I didn’t think that buying and selling cheap items was good for the environment or the economy in the short or long term.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
That is a great question! My mother and I have taken two jewelry making classes (one in wirework and one in silversmithing) and our skills have enabled us to create various new designs. We mostly make the things that we like, but we are influenced by our professional relationships with our retail customers. They inform us about the kind of styles that their customers are looking for. We try to balance our sustainable values with current trends. At the end of the day, we balance what we like and what our customers like.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
The importance of sustainable fashion designers at this point and time is two things: 1) to help educate customers about the importance of sustainable and ethical fashion and 2) to care about people and the environment when other companies turn a blind eye.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
I am currently looking up to Stella Jean as a fashion icon. She believes that fashion can “become a vehicle for…economic, social and ethical growth and enfranchisement.” She has a global platform for change and she uses it well.
What is Alora Boutique?
Alora Boutique is a meaningful jewelry brand that gives back. We create jewelry from recycled brass and recycled glass beads that are fair trade from Ghana. In addition to creating beautiful jewelry from sustainable materials we give back to two local charities in our community via special collections. Alora creates special collections twice a year and $10 from the sale of each piece goes towards poverty reduction strategies. We also host networking events and skills workshops for disadvantaged women in our city, so that they can have opportunities that are not readily available to them normally.
What are some of its feature products?
Alora Boutique’s feature products are our recycled brass pendant necklaces specifically our feather necklaces, antler necklace and key necklaces (where $10 from the sale goes towards poverty reduction in Calgary). These are all available online at www.alora.ca.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Our customer base are women who truly care about giving back and making their community a better place. They are between 28 -45, volunteer in their community, have typically started a family and belief is that we can change the world through our lifestyle and purchase decisions.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
Worker’s rights are everyone’s rights. I think the people forget that when there are standards in labour it has a positive effect for all workers, even those that sit behind a desk. As the rights of the marginalized progress, the rights and expectations of all others is also increased.
For example, because of unions and their wage bargaining power, there is a certain expectation of wages for everyone. The simple fact that unionized workers are paid more than the average person has an effect of the labour market that creates a floor for certain professions and sectors.
In the garment industry, I think that with better worker rights we will all benefit. As consumers, we will likely get better product. When it comes to the workers, we can probably see a decrease in the need for aid and charity to certain countries since the people will be able to take care of themselves. As long as people are paid a fair and living wage in their countries they become self-sufficient. We forget that people don’t need charity, they need proper laws and systems in place to protect them from greedy and unscrupulous people in addition to systems that give them the freedom to create their own destiny.
Continued in part two here.
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Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, and so on. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights?
I think women pay a vital role in changing the fashion industry and the world. According to MIC, women make up 80% of fashion purchasing power and yet account for 0% of apparel Fortune 500 CEOS. Women need more leadership roles and to have their voices heard, and other women can demand this with how they shop by supporting women owned businesses. I believe that by having more equality in positions of power it will lead to more concern for garment workers and benefit the entire supply chain.
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
I think it’s up to us as individual to fix this until we are able to get legislation to catch up. Fortunately we live in a time where there are a lot of information and resources out there, including Trusted Clothes, Project JUST, and a variety of Fair Trade certifications. These are great places to pick up information, find sharable articles, and discover brands to support. But before worrying about others, make sure you are using your own purchasing power to make responsible choices that exclusive child labor, both supporting the brands that don’t use child labor, and avoiding the ones that do.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Everyone should remember the power of their dollars. Every time we purchase something, we are voting for or against the practices it supports. If we want to protect vulnerable populations, we have to support companies that empower them, and take our money away from companies that exploit them.
If you’re a consumer, write to the companies you like and ask them “Who Made My Clothes?” If you’re a designer, get involved in your supply chain. We each wear clothing everyday, so we each have a role in fixing the fashion industry and protecting the vulnerable.
What topics most interest you?
I’m fascinated by textiles innovations and passionate about vegan fashion, empowering women, and giving back. As a Costume Designer, I am also very interested in the stories we tell with our clothing, and specifically, how we can tell more loving stories about ourselves through what we wear (hint: ethical fashion plays a huge role in this!).
Handmade dolls by Jessie’s Place, a Fair Trade Nonprofit community center in Rwanda that educates and employs mentally and physically disabled individuals, teaching that a disability of the spirit is far worse than one of the body.
Did you have a mentor in this work?
I didn’t really know anyone in sustainable fashion when I first started working in this space, so I figured it out myself as I went. I’m sure a mentor would have definitely helped!
Have you mentored others?
I have never had a designed mentee, though I have advised many students and individuals wanting to get into sustainable fashion, and try to remain a source of information for my customers, clients, and anyone who wants to join me in changing the world.
What are the importance of mentors in the fashion world for professional, and personal, development?
Mentorship is a wonderful concept, and I think especially in the small (but growing) world of sustainable fashion, the more we can help and encourage each other, the more it will benefit all of us.
From personal observations, more women than men involve themselves in the fashion industry by a vast margin of difference at all levels. Why?
Women are the dominant employees and spenders in fashion, though men still hold the most positions of power. I think there are a lot of reasons for this. So much of a woman’s worth is placed on our physical appearance, and what we wear is a part of this. It’s deeply ingrained in us starting at birth that our identity and value is tied to how we look. Billions of dollars are spent trying to get women to buy fashion (specifically women, since they spend more on fashion then men do), and so I think a lot of women do develop deep feelings for it. We all “love” fashion.
Additionally, culturally, women are not typically encouraged to pursue STEM careers, and jobs within fashion are easily accessible to those with degrees and backgrounds in art, design, sales, or marketing.
What personal fulfilment comes from this work for you?
Ethical fashion is the most fulfilling career I’ve ever had. Getting to devote my time, money, and life to helping empower women, protecting our environment, saving animals is an absolute dream come true. Every day, I get to hear personal stories about how ethical fashion has changed someone’s life – or many lives. And it changes my life every day too.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
Bead & Reel is my full time job, though I still do personal shopping and styling for sustainable clients. I’m a writer for Vilda Magazine and the Fashion Editor the Ethical Style Journal. Through Bead & Reel, I am active in various projects including our quarterly clothing drive for vulnerable women and our annual Fair Trade Fashion Show. This week, I’m focusing on our #EthicalBlackFriday initiative.
Any recommended authors or fashionistas?
I actually recently wrote a blog post about this! I highly recommend Kate Black and Elizabeth L. Cline, and also definitely encourage everyone to out the Ethical Writer’s Coalition for great bloggers and writers in sustainable fashion.
Any recommended means of contacting Bead and Reel?
I’d love to continue the conversation! You can write me at hello@beadandreel.com or sign up for our newsletter to stay up to date on events, blog posts, and what’s new.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Thank you so much for the honor of getting to talk about sustainable fashion! Fashion is only as beautiful as the values behind it, and I’m so thrilled to be a small part in changing the values.
Thank you for your time, Sica.
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Tell us about yourself, some personal story and how you got involved in ethical and sustainable fashion.
Before Indigo Handloom, I was a journalist. I didn’t work in the fashion industry at all. I got an assignment to do a story about textiles in the silk weaving industry in India. Once I arrived there, I went to all these different places from the silk worm farms to the auction houses to the spinning-reeling factories to weaving-textile mills. I also went to a place where they made silk by hand.
I started asking questions about the people making the cloth. I discovered that the weavers were subsidized by the government and that this subsidy was soon going away. I wondered how they were going to feed their families and felt encouraged to help.
It was this social calling that led me to leave journalism. I thought I’d be more effective if I could help these weavers get work and live among their families rather than limit my contribution to a news story.
Although I didn’t start out with a goal to change the fashion industry, as I dug deeper I realized some changes needed to be put into place. Maybe, the old fashion way is a better way of doing things, which provides a better product that doesn’t exploit people. And that’s when I fell in love with handloom.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion to you?
The ethical and sustainable fashion movement is certainly important because the fashion world has so many unethical practices. For one, it is the second largest polluting industry after the oil industry.
People don’t really understand how it became this way. The whole industry has made a few people very rich and many others very poor because of the lack of transparency. When working with artisans, many large fashion houses won’t pay in advance – which is against fair trade policies. This creates a huge liability on small factories whose order could be cancelled over one phone call.
Since 2003 Indigo Handloom has worked with artisans in rural India to preserve traditional handloom and khadi techniques that maintain the livelihoods of many as well as bring a new appreciation for handmade textiles.
Bargaining and bidding wars are also prevalent allowing large companies to use their power to go country to country seeking the cheapest price. Completely unregulated, it is no longer ‘we’re in a business together’. There’s nobody watching this. Unless, of course, something like Rana Plaza happens.
Also, the fashion industry has access to thousands of chemicals and washes -some known carcinogens- and they are being sprayed onto our clothing. The chemical ridden water waste is then being dumped back into our riverways.
With very few watchdogs, there is simply no transparency. There are efforts. Some brands are making efforts to be transparent by checking out factories and compliances, and making sure the people that make their products are not in dangerous situations. As for an ultimate solution, I don’t know the precise answer, but I am glad that there are people taking up the cause to do things in a different way.
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Bead & Reel is your one-stop shop for ethical fashion. Founded by stylist and costume designer Sica Schmitz, Bead & Reel is the woman-owned, vegan-owned boutique committed to helping women love themselves and others through empowered and empowering fashion.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I grew up in a very small town in Washington state and then studied art and art history in Oregon followed by fashion design in New York. After graduating, I was hired on an independent film in Seattle as the Wardrobe Assistant and just fell in love with filmmaking and the power of clothing to tell stories. There weren’t a lot of costume opportunities in Seattle so I packed up my car and drove to Hollywood, where (with a lot of hard work) I then spent the next 8 years working in Costume Design for film and television, including the indie hit Safety Not Guaranteed and ABC’s Castle. For about 2 years during that time I was living in a small RV I had renovated, traveling around the country on my way to different costume jobs. It was a very exciting life, and one I gladly gave up for Bead & Reel.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
The first costume designer I worked under was interested in sustainable fashion long before I’d heard anyone else talk about it. She was very conscientious about including sustainable brands in her projects and it definitely sparked an interest in me, though it would be many years before I got very serious about it. The real shift happened for me in 2013. I had gone vegan around the same time as the Rana Plaza collapse, and both events were making me question what I was wearing. I started trying to avoid leather, wool, and other animal products, while also learning more about what was happening to garment workers around the world. The more I learned about the many, many costs that went into what I was wearing, the more I decided I couldn’t participate in it. I’ve been working in sustainable fashion ever since.
How did your educational/professional experience inform fashion work?
Fashion has always been at the center of my life. I studied it in college and had jobs and internships in every aspect of it throughout adulthood (retail, PR, editorial, fashion design, costume design, and now the founder of a start-up). I don’t think a history in fashion is required to work in fashion, but a passion for it definitely is.
What is the importance of ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
If there aren’t better options (better brands, better stores), then customers can’t make better choices. Sustainable fashion designers and retail companies are vitally important in offering good options to those who are trying to make more ethical purchases.
Sustainable companies are the ones leading the way in textiles innovations, workers rights, animal rights, and business models that benefit the greater good.
Who is a personal hero or heroine within the ethical and sustainable fashion world for you?
I’m a huge fan of Kate Black from Magnifico, though the sustainable fashion world is so full of inspiring people that I could list dozens!
What is Bead & Reel?
Bead & Reel is a one-stop shop for ethical fashion. It is an online boutique focused on eco-friendly, cruelty-free, sweatshop-free fashion, carrying over 60 conscious brands and hundreds of styles. But more than that, Bead & Reel is a lifestyle around bettering our world through our purchases and actions, and we provide the brands and ideas for how to do that.
What are some of its feature products?
We have a broad range of products from clothing, shoes, handbags, jewelry, accessories, and gifts for homes and babies. We feature 13 searchable ethics including Vegan, Made in USA, Gives Back, and Female Founder. Obviously I love all of our products but I especially adore our organic cotton V Bralette, modal Harem Jumpsuit, and organic cotton Bootcut Jeans because of their quality, comfort, and flattering cuts.
What is your customer base – the demographics?
Our customer is an educated, caring woman who values style. She doesn’t shop with us accidentally, but instead because she is actively seeking to make better choices.
There have been large tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, which was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire (1911) and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires (2012). What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
Human rights is one of our main focuses at Bead & Reel and also a pillar of ethical fashion. I don’t think it’s a new movement – people have been fighting for garment workers rights for generations, but the massive growth in population and in our consumption of fashion means that now more than ever we must protect the lives and livelihoods of those who make our clothes.
I also view human rights as necessary for self love. If we are not honoring the bodies and lives of others through our purchases, how are we ever going to be able to honor our own body and life? So if you want more confidence, higher self esteem, and to feel more love, start with what you buy. By showing it to others, we are able to show it to ourselves.
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What is the importance of te status of women’s and children’s rights in the ethical and sustainable fashion world too?
Women make up over 80% of global garment workers, and study after study has shown that when women are treated and paid well, it empowers entire communities. The impacts of basic worker rights are far-reaching and necessary for a more peaceful, more just world.
Similarly, when children – especially girls – are in school (instead of working) it lowers rates of child marriage, leads to fewer pregnancies and less complications, and correlates to lower adolescent diseases and mortality.
If we want to uplift communities and end poverty, we must start by uplifting women and children.
Continued on part two here.
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What have been honest mistakes in the foundation and development of Purple Impression?
I would say too much flexibility and lack of future planning in the running of the business. The plan with Purple Impression initially was to connect with an NGO to get our designs produced, but, when we travelled, we found ourselves in the heart of the area known for hand embroidery. It didn’t make sense to go through an NGO in a different city so we decided to set up our own production. It was an “in the moment” decision. We had to face many challenges of running a production facility in a place we have not spent much time in before. People had a different way of working and different work ethics – which can be frustrating, but I guess with time you learn and are more prepared as you move on.
What lessons can you impart to new business owners from them?
It is good to be flexible, but flexibility without a plan can be stressful. Whatever decision you make in your business make sure to have your short and long term goals figured out and try to chart all the scenarios that you might run into to get to that goal and decide ahead of time what decision you will lean towards if you were to run into that situation.
What have been the greatest emotional struggles for you?
The greatest struggle I’d say has been while choosing the artisans. We try to reach out to artisans that are skilled and deserving, but sometimes we are faced with the challenge of choosing between the women’s skills or their need for work. This was a struggle initially, but we decided to create a program where lower skilled women could still get employed. But worked on smaller, less detailed designs that perhaps don’t need the mastery that some of the other designs might require. This gives them the ability to build up their skills, being able to take on other work as time goes by.
With respect to fair trade practices, what is the importance of them to the garment industry workers, especially those in some of the poorer areas of the world?
I believe fair trade is the key to lift many workers out of poverty. Most often, workers in developing countries live under poverty not because they do not work, or are unskilled, but due to lack of a living wage. At exploited wages, a worker is barely able to put food on the table for his family and pay rent, but a fair wage can mean education for their children and health care.
What can effectively attenuate the negative effects of pollution, climate change, and human rights abuses?
The move toward a more ethical production and sustainability is a step forward in the right direction but there is still work to be done. We have to educate the consumers more about the effects of fast fashion and give practical solutions to how a shift in their consumer habit can have a positive impact on the people and the planet.
What can reduce the rate of modern slavery and improve the status of women?
A fair living wage is step one in reducing modern day slaves and this can only be done by educated consumers who put pressure on bigger companies across all industries holding them accountable for their operations. As for the women, we can definitely do more by supporting causes and businesses that work towards women’s development and girls’ education. We should definitely support the artisan sector which is the second largest employer of women after agriculture. Supporting these causes means more education and financial independence for women which enable them to empower themselves and stand up for their rights.
How can men become more involved on-the-ground in the implementation of international women’s rights?
Men can be more involved by supporting and being present at causes that are working towards the betterment of women worldwide. They can also help spread awareness about issues that affect women’s rights, especially of those in developing countries.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
I really think that I have found my calling in this work. I have always been very passionate about women’s rights. As a child, I would hear some of the women share their stories about their difficulties of living under poverty and a patriarchal society during my summer visits to Pakistan and I could only feel helpless and listen, but it’s really rewarding and fulfilling now to be able to do something for them and know that the work you are doing is making some impact in their lives and that slowly, but surely we are able to change things for them.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
With another baby on the way, my time right now is divided between Purple Impression and family. To raise the next generation that has compassion and love for all is not at this time and so just struggling between being a mom and entrepreneur quiet honestly as this time.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion?
If you are a consumer reading this then know that your dollar has immense power to make an impact. With every dollar we spend, we are supporting and promoting at least five different values and these are the values of the company you choose to spend your money on. So be mindful and dig deeper into the products you consume.
Thank you for your time, Drakshan.
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How can fashionistas, and fashionistos, become more informed on the rights of garment workers, the violations of those rights, and the general sources of their clothes?
I think a good place to begin is by doing some research about how your clothes are made. A platform such as yours is an amazing resource for this. If people want to get more specific information about a brand, then a good starting point is reading the ethos of a company and what they stand for. Know how transparent they are about their production and how much information do they share about their garments.
Soft and lightweight tunic made with cotton khadi fabric that is completely natural and un-dyed with embroidery and mirror work.
Many factors come into the fold for consideration within this movement. It is international, moderate in size, and growing. Tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire in 1911 and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires in 2012. This implies human rights, worker rights, and, in many instances, women’s and children’s rights. How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
I truly believe that the longer a supply chain gets, the more difficult it becomes to have a good control over the rights of the workers. As designers, we should always look for ways to keep the supply chain as small as we can. Visit the factories and meet the makers of your designs. Ask questions about worker rights and how much they are getting paid, and then do some research about the actual cost of living for workers in that country yourself. We cannot simply rely on the numbers reported by local governments because most often those do not give a true picture of how much it costs for a worker to sustain a livelihood for a family.
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What about the status of women’s and children’s rights as well?
It is true that women and children are often the most exploited and sadly most often it is those women and children who are going through some extreme hardships in life who have no choice and are forced to give in to the abuse. The recent news about Syrian refugee children being used by Turkish garment factories is an example of this. There needs to be more accountability from these factories, especially the smaller second tier ones – where the abuse most often goes unreported.
The almond tribal scarf is lightweight and made from Cotton Khadi fabric known to keep you cool in the summer and warm in winters.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, to acquire an education, and to be self-sufficient. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights, which have existed for a long time, in this domain of the working world? Child labour and slavery are problems – major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
First of all, we have to put more pressure on the bigger brands who have the production quantity to bring a change in this industry. These companies have the power to reach out and influence local governments to improve worker conditions. Additionally, question every purchase you make. Educate yourself on where what you are buying was made, and by whom. What are the ethos of the company you are choosing to buy from? As consumers, we can do this by our dollar and by choosing to support fair trade companies across all industries. Share your knowledge with friends and family, because what I have found out in my own experience is that it’s not that people don’t care about the rights of others, but they don’t know about its negative impact.
Asma button down shirt is made with breathable cotton Khadi and designed with all day comfort in mind.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
It is very important to be well aware of the culture of the country where you are operating. Being well acquainted with the culture gives us a lot of information and ability to pick up on things and people who can be exploited and are vulnerable. We, for example, operate in the remote villages of Pakistan where men in the same field of work feel that women don’t deserve to be paid as much as them because they work out of their homes and don’t have much responsibility. Being aware of this, we not only make sure that the women are paid equivalent as their male peers, but also educate and empower them to value themselves and their work.
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Purple Impression is a Fair trade brand that aims to bring people together through art and fashion. They work with women artisans in Pakistan who hand embroider the designs. Their goal is to provide them with employment, fair pay and direct access to broader market giving them an opportunity to educate their children and become financially independent.
Young girls learning how to embroider and sew their own clothes at an artisan’s home
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I like to introduce myself as a mom and a global citizen who is a hybrid of many cultures. I was born in Pakistan, and grew up in Dubai and the United States. I studied Finance and Economics from Kent State University, Ohio and started my career in banking, and then moved to Marketing Strategist role for an interior design firm in California. After having children, I took a break from work while keeping myself involved in philanthropic work that benefited women and children.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I believe that the concept of conscious consumerism was something that was brewing inside of me since childhood. Having lived in different countries around the world, I have witnessed firsthand the loss of traditional crafts, exploitation of workers and the effects of fast fashion on the factory workers and the planet. Rana Plaza was a wake up call that shook me to the core. I knew I had to take action and do something. I channeled my anger into doing something about women’s development. This lead me to my parents’ hometown in Pakistan that has a rich culture of hand embroidery done by women, who despite an amazing talent find it hard to make ends meet often due to exploitation from local middlemen.
Asma, the maker of the Asma boyfriend shirt. The mission is always to connect you with the makers of your clothes so there’s always a name and a face with your pieces connecting you with it.
What is the importance of the idea of ethical and sustainable fashion to you?
My background in economics has turned me into an activist for conscious consumption and socially responsible businesses. I am a big fan of Muhammad Yunus and would like to quote one of his sayings:
In my experience, poor people are the world’s greatest entrepreneurs. Every day, they must innovate in order to survive. They remain poor because they do not have the opportunities to turn their creativity into sustainable income.
The Fashion industry employs 57.8 million people globally. Imagine the impact on these lives if every garment worker was paid ethically for their work. This is why ethical and sustainable fashion are extremely important and there is a need to push for more education and transparency in this industry.
What about ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
It is so wonderful to see the amount of ethical companies growing. Consumers are asking for variety and it’s nice to be able to provide people with alternatives that cater to their taste while benefiting the makers. So I am really excited to see this industry grow.
What is Purple Impression?
Purple Impression is a socially responsible high fashion brand that employs women artisans in Pakistan who hand embroider our designs.
What are some of its feature products?
Our hand embroidered scarves definitely stand out anywhere because of their craftsmanship and vibrant colors. They make the perfect accessory because the rich embroidery of the scarf really draws people, which makes it a statement piece. Additionally, we just launched our Nomad Tee with the intention to bring people together through art and fashion. It is a collaboration of three different artists. A San Francisco based designer Elaine Hamblin, Iranian Calligrapher Arash Shirinbab, and our artisans work has been fused into the tee to spread the message of Peace, Love and Unity.
What makes it unique?
Everything we design and create always has a meaning and a purpose. By fusing the traditional hand embroidery from one of the oldest cities in the world (Multan, Pakistan), our designers in San Francisco are able to create exclusive, hand crafted pieces while preserving this dying art. Each garment comes hand signed by its maker, often showing the construction through videos. We want our customers to build a sense of connection with their garment, which adds meaning to their wardrobe.
Also, in line with our commitment to sustainability we try and work with natural, recycled fabric, create minimal to zero waste by using hand cutting techniques that utilize selvage edge within the design and incorporate creative hand embroidery techniques that make use of leftover fabrics.
Who tend to be the customer base?
We have a global customer base. Women who are well traveled. That care about the rights of other women and want to support the global artisan sector.
What advice would be of use to new business owners?
For new business owners, you should definitely have a component of education in your business strategy because even though the ethical fashion movement is growing there is still a need to educate consumers about why it matters and the impact sustainable fashion has on its makers and the planet.
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/11/17
MY SISTER’s mission is to prevent sex trafficking, educate communities, empower the population, provide after-care for survivors and offer growth opportunities to at-risk women through the sales of our statement-making, ethically-sourced apparel and accessories.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I attended university in MN for advertising and marketing. There, I had a work study job where my boss started teaching me graphic design skills. It was a great way to add that skill to my more strategic studies in classes. After graduating, I spent quite a few years in the real estate industry at national corporations doing a mix of graphic design and managing the marketing efforts, then switched over to the spa industry to get some different experience.
On top of that, I started doing photography and had a small photography business where I met a ton of great people and got to exert all of that extra creative energy. I was friends with my now business partner, Wayne. He told me about a new business that he was working on and I offered to provide some marketing ideas. It quickly turned into me joining the team to launch MY SISTER. Having the opportunity to combine my design, photography and marketing skills in the fashion world with an empowering message, for a good cause, with MY SISTER, was an ideal fit and an opportunity I couldn’t pass up.
Personally, I grew up in a smaller town in central WI. I knew from early on I needed to be somewhere bigger and more exciting, eventually leading me to Minneapolis. My boyfriend and I rent a beautiful duplex and have a little loving, but super hyper, Chihuahua named Ruthie. You can hear her barking all over town (she’s very social) and she looks like a mini cow with black and white spots. (Maybe it’s my inner WI farm girl that subconsciously chose a dog that resembles a cow.;)
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I’ve always been concerned for the environment but, from the beginning, it was an initiative focused on by Wayne, the co-founder of MY SISTER, as he has a background in the ethical and sustainable food industry. Once I learned more about taking those values and applying them to fashion, I have become more and more invested. Plus, I believe we won’t have an earth to fight against trafficking in if we don’t take care of our resources (human and otherwise) and planet in a sustainable manner so these initiatives are as important as ever.
What is the importance of the idea of ethical and sustainable fashion to you?
Sex trafficking goes hand-in-hand with the ethical treatment of those working in the fashion/garment industry, so it’s a #1 priority for me.
What about ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
I so look up to and admire those who have paved the way, even when it wasn’t as popular to do so. These are truly the change-makers.
What is MY SISTER?
MY SISTER is an apparel retailer fighting against sex trafficking. Through the sale of ethically sourced clothing and accessories, we’re able to invest in an exploitation-free world. On a regular basis, we do things like: fund and partner with non-profits, empower and employ survivors, and educate and connect with communities.
What are some of its feature products?
Statement-making tees and sweatshirts – Make Herstory, Equality, Feminist, You’re Not The Boss Of Me, Liberation, We are all human together, etc.
Many factors come into the fold for consideration within this movement. It is international, moderate in size, and growing. Tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire in 1911 and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires in 2012. This implies human rights, worker rights, and, in many instances, women’s and children’s rights. What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
Sex trafficking is directly linked to worker rights in the industry. If we want to create a better world, this is a great place to make a huge impact with it being such a monumental industry. Every ethical fashion purchase can make a difference. We should all be asking ourselves if getting that cheap accessory or garment is worth a human being’s health and wellbeing?
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What about the status of women’s and children’s rights as well?
This is my mission – to create opportunities for these girls and women. These two populations (as well as many others) have been exploited in too many ways for too many years and our world is suffering due to it.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, to acquire an education, and to be self-sufficient. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights, which have existed for a long time, in this domain of the working world?
More women in the working world equals more thoughtful, impactful business and money being reinvested back into their families, in turn, providing more education and a better future for their children. More opportunity for children to become educated in schools as opposed to working in garment factories equals the world’s future change-makers being given the chance to do so.
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
There are a ton of great documentaries and books on these issues. Educating yourself and taking a moment to spread that bit of education on to others through conversation and social media to raise awareness can all really help. In addition to that, voting with your dollars and knowing what you’re purchasing and who’s being exploited in the process can make the biggest impact.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Making thoughtful purchases and working with or donating to organizations that are in those countries taking action and working on solutions.
What topics most interest you?
Gender equality
Homelessness
Animal rights (I’m a long-time vegetarian.)
Creativity
Music
Yoga
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
I know that with everything I do for the company, it is making positive change for someone. I also just love it that we are an outlet for people – a way to speak up and take action against some of the things that need addressing in our world. Plus, being in a place where I can help offer vulnerable women opportunities is the best feeling no matter what else is going on.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
MY SISTER is pretty all-consuming right now as we are focused on growth and employing more survivors as we move along into 2017. In my spare time, I like to get outside or create crafty and artsy things.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion?
In a world where things can often feel overwhelming and uncontrollable, we each have the opportunity to take steps in the right direction. It doesn’t have to be all at once. Even giving 5 dollars or 5 minutes of your time to a person who needs it, can make a difference. Take action.
Thank you for your time, Mandy.
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Continued from part one here.
Many factors come into the fold for consideration within this movement. It is international, moderate in size, and growing. Tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire in 1911 and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires in 2012. This implies human rights, worker rights, and, in many instances, women’s and children’s rights. What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
The problem that dictates this is the desire of people wanting to purchase cheap things and always wanting to have newness that has created this issue. The people that get squeezed out are the garment workers in 3rd world countries and by continuing to produce in this fast fashion type of manner; consumers are potentially contributing to human slavery without having the knowledge. They are contributing to the environmentally harmful and physical outcomes by purchasing these items.
There is a cycle that happens and by understanding this process you are able to create a solution. We have viewed this problem from the outside and have worked backwards. We start with paying our workers a fair living wage, we have a clean healthy environment for them to work in, we then purchase fabrics that would either be thrown away or are sustainable or ecofriendly, and from this we are able to create quality garments that will last more than ex 4-8 washes.
What fast fashion has created, is setting such a low price point that everyone feels the need to sell at and what we needed to figure out is how to meet that price point but also making it ethical. The solution was to leverage technology, educating our workers and streamlining manufacturing and sell direct to consumer. By cutting out inventory and all the middlemen that take a percentage before it gets to the end user, we are able to sell as a ethical alternative to fashion at a wholesale price point but also keeping the products at a quality price.
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What about the status of women’s and children’s rights as well? Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, to acquire an education, and to be self-sufficient. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights, which have existed for a long time, in this domain of the working world? Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
The previous 3 questions we feel are relatable and can be tied together as a whole. It is initially a humanitarian problem and the only way to solve it is by educating the end consumer and having them choose to spend their dollars on brands that are making a difference. Prior to YSTR, there haven’t been any brands that are creating a sustainable line with the contemporary design at the price point we are offering at.
This problem only exists with the lack of educating the public of the manufacturing process and having no alternative options. We as a society need to educate ourselves and think about the purchases we make and demand a change.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
Fast fashion brands have created a norm and a foundation of what is being sold and at an unbeatable price point. At the end of the day, it is brands like us, even thought we are small, we need to get the visibility and have people educated and address the change. The investments in our clothes go beyond just the garment lasting a long time but it is supporting every humanitarian aspect as well.
By stating the facts and giving the consumers an alternative option, they are able to slowly implement these changes into their daily lifestyle choices. Once brands start seeing a movement with sustainability, more companies will follow. We are the trailblazers in starting something new.
What topics most interest you?
Sustainability, the environment, technology, fashion, design, architecture
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
Being the change and being able to create and inspire people through our clothes and offering them a better alternative that is ethical
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
Only this, because this is what we believe in.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion?
Sometimes it takes the power of one to make a difference to blaze a trail for others to see that there is opportunity to create change. The earth that we have is spaceship earth, the more we mind burn and pollute, there will be a point we wont have something that is beautiful and pristine, it is now that we need to do something about cleaning up the environment.
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YSTR was founded to provide a better alternative to modern shopping.
Garrett Gerson, Co founder and CEO of YSTR first got into business at a young agae from selling cars and MC-ing at events, to running family-owned restaurants and bars across LA county. Garrett pretty much did it all growing up in his driven, family-oriented household. Because of this, his interests weren’t necessarily restricted by a particular medium or industry; instead, Garrett thrived on disruptive innovations and businesses that thought outside the box.
After working for several independent labels post-college, Garrett paired his knack for business management with an appreciation for the dynamic, rapidly-evolving nature of the fashion industry by launching his own line in 2009. After seven years of success, Garrett and his business partner April decided that it was time to disrupt their own careers. The two of them took the steps to exit the wholesale business and form a new e-commerce brand, YSTR, in hopes to change the way fashion is created and delivered in this modern era.
April Liang, Co Founder and COO is a California native who grew up in Malibu. April fell into the fashion industry at age 20 as a production assistant of a local contemporary line. In 5 short years, April rose from assistant to a full-fledged partner and director of development and production.
During this time, April’s hands-on approach to every aspect of the company expanded her knowledge of the true ins and outs of fashion manufacturing and began to question the traditional, daresay outdated, way things were done in the wholesale business. In 2016, April and her business partner Garrett decided to start a new chapter in their lives and launch YSTR, a fashion e-commerce brand that aims to proactively adapt to the changing industry landscape by creating beautiful clothes whilst minimizing fashion waste. April continues to do what she does best and runs YSTR’s production and overall operations.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
We had a contemporary wholesale business than we ran for 7 years and followed the basic manufacturing process. The issues that came with this, is the overproduction that you would need to produce each season to hit minimums, allocate for exchanges, returns and damages. After producing, there is a limited time given to sell all this excess before markdowns, giveaways had to happen.
Taking our knowledge with everything we learned we decided to re structure the business. Realizing that if we were not willing to pay $400 for something, most people would not either but also taking into consideration the environmental impact that fast fashion has and on carrying any type of inventory.
We decided to leverage technology and social platforms to create a more sustainable ecommerce direct to consumer marketplace. We create your basic essential silhouettes with a contemporary twist and not selling by traditional seasons. What fast fashion has created as the new norm with 52 seasons a year, we have gone back and shifted to what we believe fashion should be and release small drops with clothes that can be worn yearly and become your closet essentials. We are not carrying an inventory of product, we minimize waste and it allows us to do single item orders.
People are starting to be aware of the affect this industry is having on the environment and making more conscious choices on what and why they purchase.
What is the importance of the idea of ethical and sustainable fashion to you?
The fashion industry has become a gluttonous, oversaturated industry where companies are overproducing garments in order to bring down costs (and therefore prices) on products that are disposable and will inevitably end up in landfills, polluting our earth. I don’t think we’re necessarily disrupting the industry, we just want to grow a company that celebrates what fashion used to be and what fashion SHOULD be: thoughtfully-crafted clothes that are responsibly made.
We don’t want to make clothes just to satiate our desire to design or turn a profit – we want to approach the fashion industry in a way that will allow our daughters, sons, nephews, and so on to have a beautiful world to live in in the future. Our innovation doesn’t come from looking at ourselves as a company that only cares about the bottom line – it comes from looking at ourselves as part of a community.
I think we’re all just really proud to be a part of this shift towards sustainable fashion, and be able to tie our anti-waste method of manufacturing with really great, high-quality clothes that are sold at approachable price points. It’s up to innovative companies and individuals to disrupt the industry’s current norms, and we want to do what we can to support that.
What about ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
People are starting to open their eyes to what’s really happening in the industry and its films like The True Cost or brands like Tom’s that are educating people and approaching business and creation as an extension of humanity – not just a way to capitalize on others. We believe that a good portion of consumers have gotten over the “razzle dazzle” of value-based trend shopping and are really starting to read between the lines – or threads – of the clothes they’re purchasing and becoming more aware of their impacts.
But knowledge is just the first step – a consumer needs to have options. By having ethical and sustainable fashion designers jump on board, and giving individuals an alternative that makes sense for their lifestyle/budget etc. that’s when they can actually make the choice to change their habits and then start sharing their knowledge with others
What is YSTR Clothing?
YSTR was founded to provide a better alternative to modern fashion shopping. We create beautifully crafted clothing, using sustainable cut to order technologies to combat the industry’s alarming level of fashion waste.
What are some of its feature products?
YSTR carries out your basic essentials and daily needs that can be worn throughout the year. From our popular full look pieces the Anais apron dress and Hardy jumpsuit, to your classic oversized petal back Chloe blouse and your must have bodysuits and basics, these items are all closet essentials that can be dressed up for a night into town or worn out on a daily.
Continued in part two here.
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Continued from part 1 here
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What about the status of women’s and children’s rights as well?
Women, children, and the less abled are the most vulnerable people in society, and this exposes them to the greatest level of abuse and unfair treatment.
There is no excuse for this and it is one of the greatest reasons of shame for humanity.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, to acquire an education, and to be self-sufficient. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights, which have existed for a long time, in this domain of the working world?
Another very complex problem. We speak daily with women who are barely teenagers and have been pulled out of school to support the family and feel like they have no choice. Their families feel like they have no choice, and society feels like there is no choice. This perpetuates the cycle. For me, education is the way out this dark maze – education allows for choice and opportunities and this is what we try to offer with our training programmes.
Child labour and slavery are problems, major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
Yes, it is a great stain on humanity. It will take a great collective effort to change and more than that a recognition that this is everyone’s problem, not just some remote country somewhere far away.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
The fashion industry is so complex and the vertical supply chain touches so many points, people, and places. It is very, very hard to get your head around it all. When I started, I wanted to do it all: follow from grower to sewer to seller to wearer…but in reality the world is a complex place and the global trade corridors and supply chains mean this is very hard to achieve.
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So, personally, while I keep my eye on the end goal and keep lobbying and influencing for a holistic change on various aspects, I have to work within the current situation. Otherwise, I could be waiting a lifetime! So, my choice has been to influence and improve where I can, and be very honest about it all.
By setting up a social enterprise in Malawi, we ensure our team are well paid and protected. We contribute to the tax system. We are committed to buying local. It is tough because it means we have limited options available in terms of fabrics and trimmings, but more importantly it means that at every step of our garment making process the local community benefits. For example, I have been working since day one with a group of lady traders to source all our fabric.
Also, our zero waste policy is very important to me. I can see in our small factory how much cutting room waste is produced, and with some creativity all of that can be turned into beautiful products for someone to love and cherish. Same with items that may have not sold as well as we had hoped. Instead of flooding the local secondhand market, we unpick and transform.
I have been recently talking to some larger factories in other places in the world about this concept. For example, the recycling and up cycling branded factory rejects or excess at factory level. I think there could be some interesting solutions to be explored, with benefits to the environment and also to the labour practices applied.
In my small experience at Mayamiko, we start from the main thing – the people who make the garments – how much do we need to pay them fairly so they can have a dignified and empowered life. Then we work it up from there. And you strike a balance between what buyers are prepared to pay. In the end, customers love the story about our garments, but first and foremost they have to love the products to make the decision to buy. You don’t want to pull on the heart’s strings – those customers are not likely to be happy and come back for more unless they love what they have bought. And the way the products are made, their story is important, but the key thing is to make products that people love to wear. Sustainability is the end game, and that’s where my eyes are fixed on.
What topics most interest you?
I have a pretty varied range of interests: organic lifestyle, international development, NLP, yoga, the digital word, travelling and any new cool things my nieces and nephews introduce me to!
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
It’s the reason I get up in the morning!
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I am working with some large garment manufacturers to help them think about ways in which they can introduce new sustainable practices in their operations, and also how to communicate their sustainability efforts better and I am working with some small artisan groups on exciting new products. I am focusing on solar and renewable energy. And I am doing lots of yoga, including aerial and acro, which I love.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion?
You asked me some very difficult questions! I hope I have answered them adequately.
Thank you for your time, Paola.
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Mayamiko Trust was established in 2008 by Paola Masperi. After extensive travel in Africa, Paola decided to help some of the most disadvantaged people in Malawi by supporting their creative talents and turning them into sustainable activities.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I was born and raised in Milan, Italy. My parents have always been very active in the community, so I think that’s where the passion for social justice and activism comes from.
My Granny on my Mum’s side was an excellent seamstress and taught me to sew dresses for my dolls from a young age, while reading classics like To Kill a Mocking Bird and Four Little Women to me. I was taught how to count use coins. My Granddad on my Dad’s side was a very established and very creative tailor.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I had always been interested in human rights and sustainable development and always had a passion for fashion: the combination resulted in an awareness of fashion’s impact on people and the environment.
What is the importance of the idea of ethical and sustainable fashion to you?
Fashion is intrinsic to our way of living and our nature – clothing is one of our basic human needs and has carried so much meaning in society across history, geographies etc.
So it is only natural that if we care for people and our world, and want to work towards a more sustainable existence, we have to look at the clothing industry as one of the key levers for change. The challenge is that fashion is complex, its supply chain is so complex and diverse, that it is very hard to define clear cut parameters and objectives.
What about ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
I think there is a healthy level of debate and we are seeing some real change happening in various pockets of the market, with pioneering initiatives by manufacturers, brands and innovators, and with real civil society pushes for change by consumers.
But I think we need more clarity for manufacturers, brands, and consumers to make sure we all have a common understanding of what the words we use in the ethical and sustainable fashion debate really mean, and that sustainability is not confused with greenwashing or just a different PR angle.
What is Mayamiko?
I started Mayamiko in 2008 as a charitable project with the long term view of turning it into a sustainable business for everyone involved, but very aware that it required a charitable mind set to get going: I had been doing work in Malawi since 2005 (and in other developing countries) and I could see so much potential that could be unlocked by providing education and skills, a way out of poverty that was sustainable and not dependent on aid.
Two of mayamiko ladies, Jane and Everyn, busy writing down their vision for the future to then discuss it with the rest of the group and find ways of making it a reality.
Many studies have shown that women’s education has a ripple effect not only on themselves and their family, but also on the communities they live in. Couple that with an interest in fashion, the availability of wonderful fabrics, and the many artisanal techniques that seemed to be slowly getting lost, that’s how the idea came about!
At that point, I had been working with Malawi since 2005 on various programmes and the country was pretty close to my heart because of its incredible beauty, warmth, and potential, but of all the countries I had been to it seemed to need the most of this holistic approach. That made it in a way the one where I felt I wanted to start from.
At the very heart of it, there is a sole desire to help change people’s lives by giving them choices. Choices come in the form of education, skills training, access to finance, and many other options that we often take for granted.
Tailoring and sewing have always been a pretty widespread skill, but often at a very basic level, and many of the other components required for people to be empowered to achieve change were missing: broader education, more in depth technical training, entrepreneurship skills, self-belief etc. And it was also about taking the wonderfully creative skills of many artisans and turning them into a way of making a sustainable living.
What are some of its feature products?
Every year, we launch a collection of contemporary womenswear. So, we are a ‘season free’ brand. This means we don’t want to engage with the pressure of producing a new collection every season, month, or even week.
I believe we can offer desirable collections consisting of some key directional pieces and some more evergreen pieces, and by playing with different prints and fabrics to stay relevant. Locally sourced African prints or artisanal locally-dyed textiles are at the core of our collections.
We have a commitment to source everything, and wherever possible, within a 20km radius from our workshop to maximize the positive impact on our local community.
Alongside our main collection, and because of our Zero Waste commitment, we bring out ‘zero waste’ pieces, which make use of any cutting room waste in a clever and creative way. For example, our Namaste sets, our hair accessories, and some of our clutches are part of this collection.
Every couple of years, or when the opportunity arises, I launch an upcycled collection, making use of end-of-roll, end-of-life textiles from factories, which would otherwise be destined to the landfill – this is how our Rebirth collection came about and I finished developing a new capsule collection using end-of-life Italian silks.
Many factors come into the fold for consideration within this movement. It is international, moderate in size, and growing. Tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire in 1911 and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires in 2012. This implies human rights, worker rights, and, in many instances, women’s and children’s rights. What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
The thing about human rights is that they apply to all humans, universally and indiscriminately. And what we have here is a world in which these rights apply to some and not to others. Those others are the most vulnerable in society, i.e. women, children, and less abled people.
Clearly, this is a massively complex and diversified problem and what we are seeing now is more exposure, leading to greater awareness. With social media and the internet, there is really nowhere to hide.
What’s becoming more apparent is that there is no ‘black and white’, no ‘my fault, your fault’. We are all part of the system and we all play a role in the issues, and we all must be part of the solutions: legislators, governments, international bodies, brands, manufacturers, and consumers.
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Continued from Part 1
Women and children are the majority of the exploited and violated work forces. What about the status of women’s and children’s rights as well?
Women and children tend to be most exploited in the industry because they are more exploited by society in general, which forces them to often take the low wage jobs that men who have been given more wealth, education, and power in society, won’t take. 80% of garment factory workers around the world are women.
Children are the most vulnerable population. Women tend to have less status than men in societies including the right to decent working conditions, decent pay, to vote, to acquire an education, and to be self-sufficient. What is the relationship between the need to implement women’s rights and children’s rights, which have existed for a long time, in this domain of the working world? Child labour and slavery are problems – major ones. These include children throughout the world. Tens of millions of children in the case of child labour and a few million for child slavery. How can individuals get the word out about these other rights violations?
This is a tricky issue because many of the slavery issues occur early on in the supply chain, in cotton farming, milling, and spinning. Half of US fashion brands have no traceability of their supply chains at all, and most that do have any traceability can only trace to cut make and trim (CMT), meaning they have no idea where their cotton was grown or spun or made into fabric or dyed. There are non-disclosure agreements all along to supply chain to supposedly protect trade secrets, but it’s a convenient way for the brands to ultimately shirk responsibility for slavery (and other issues) in their supply chains. Ultimately there are a lot of old world practices like this that I think will become un-tenable in today’s global economy, which is increasingly more interested in transparency, connection, and sharing. I hope that this (and whistle blowers) will help us to see brands being pressured to change what’s going on in their supply chains – which will help consumers decide which brands they should and shouldn’t support.
How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
We have to tackle these issues from all angles, and everyone has a role to play. There is more information available to us about brands and with a little research the average person can get a better idea of how to really shop their values. Ultimately, brands do have to listen to consumers so changing your buying practices is really important. From within the industry, there will be change when there is a critical mass of CEOs, designers, accountants, and everyone else who does not stand for the current practices. In large companies, there is often a huge disconnect between design and manufacturing that keeps designers or CSR teams from making change, but it does not need to be that way if core members of these companies (and their shareholders) were to change their beliefs as well.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
The most fulfilling part of my work is working directly with the women on our team and making products with them. I love getting involved in the big stuff as well as the little stuff, and seeing the lives of the people we work with changing and growing. The people I work with are a joy to be around and they inspire me every day. That is the most meaningful thing to me.
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Tonlé, Cambodias eco and sustainable fashion brand are committed to zero-waste production. They are currently the largest ethical apparel brand in the country, offering fair wages and a secure working environment since 2013.
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I grew up in the Boston area of the Northeast US, and from a young age I was interested in social justice and activism, mostly inspired by my parents. I also always considered myself and artist and looked for a way to merge the two passions. I studied at the Maryland Institute college of Art, where I became involved in textiles and received a BFA in Fiber.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I made clothes from a young age (I made my first Halloween costume in 3rd grade out of second hand clothing, and by high school I was making clothing and bags and selling them to my peers. But I always knew there were problems in the fashion industry, and my conscience prevented me from pursuing study or a career in that field. In my last year of college, I had the opportunity to visit Cambodia with a family friend who had interested in starting a textile business there – and that was the first time that I came into contact with artisan groups who were trying to practice fair trade principals in making textiles and other handicrafts. This inspired me to realize that the fashion industry is not going to change simply by criticism, but needs change from within and that was the first time that I saw the possibility of participating in that.
What is the importance of the idea of ethical and sustainable fashion to you?
The fashion industry is one of the world’s largest industries, and also happens to be one of the greatest contributors to pollution, climate change, human rights abuses, modern slavery, suppression of women’s rights, and the list goes on. Fashion also is not going away any time soon, so we need to find a way to change it for the future of our planet and our people.
What about ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
Right now ethical fashion is defined in a number of different ways and I do think there is a need for greater definition and standardization of what those words mean. But I do think it is admirable and important that there are so many new designers coming up that are trying to consider doing things differently, and even larger companies that are changing to incorporate greater transparency into their supply chains.
The beautiful and talented Siphen making fabric for the new collection with fabric scraps and naturally dyed cotton
What is Tonlé?
Tonlé is a zero-waste, fair fashion company. We design, make and produce contemporary women’s fashion and accessories in our workshop in Cambodia.
What are some of its feature products?
Tonlé is most known for its signature t shirts and easy to wear t-shirt dresses, which are versatile and well loved. Some of our newest ranges include products that are handwoven from tiny scraps of remnant fabric into unique new textiles. These products are higher-end price wise, but have been picked up by many designer boutiques that appreciate the craftsmanship and style of the products.
The Tonlé team in Cambodia has grown several fresh faces on our production and management teams, moving into a new workshop, developing new collections, and exploring new sales channels
Many factors come into the fold for consideration within this movement. It is international, moderate in size, and growing. Tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire in 1911 and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires in 2012. This implies human rights, worker rights, and, in many instances, women’s and children’s rights. What are the importance of human rights and worker rights in this new movement, and to the garment industry?
Many people forget that the United states was what we would now consider a “developing country” in the 1800s and early 1900s. Child-labor and abhorrent factory conditions were commonplace – health and safety standards were non-existent. It is only because of the hard work of activists, women’s rights advocates, and unions that we have the laws that now protect workers in American from those conditions that are still common place abroad. And while the US still has a long way to go, it’s easy to forget when these jobs are shipped overseas that the freedoms we enjoy in the US took the hard work and preference of many to achieve. It’s very important to empower workers abroad to fight for their own rights as well, so that they too can achieve the same conditions. With the globalization of the industry this is much more complicated nowadays, when it is so easy for a company to move their manufacturing elsewhere when conditions become unfavorable for them or wages are too “high”. That’s why we need a multi-pronged approach where consumers, brands, factories, and governments all need to take action to be a part of the change in the industry.
Continued on Part two here.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/11/07
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
Wallis Evera creates ethical, eco-friendly and locally made clothes that work – for you, for our communities and for the planet – because we believe that dressing well means more than just looking good.
I’m a West Coast girl. I lived in small towns in northern BC and the Yukon when I was very young, then we settled in Victoria in time for middle school and I stayed there until university. I studied Psychology at UVIC, took a couple years off to travel and live in Berlin, Germany, and then returned to Canada to study Public Administration at Carleton University in Ottawa. As soon as I was done, I moved back to Vancouver and have been here ever since.
Prior to starting Wallis Evera, my career was primarily in management consulting. I worked as an analyst and project manager in industries ranging from manufacturing and distribution, to high tech, healthcare and government. When I had children, I stopped working for a few years so that I could be with them. When it was time to re-enter the workforce, I realized I wasn’t going to be happy plugging back into the regular 9 to 5 office routine. I wanted to start my own business and create a life that was a direct reflection of my values and interests.
How did you get interested in ethical and sustainable fashion?
About 3 years ago, I happened to come across a book in my local public library, called Overdressed: the shockingly high cost of cheap fashion, by Elizabeth L. Cline. It opened my eyes to a side of fashion that I really had never considered before in any great detail. I hadn’t been aware at all of the scope and degree of devastation (environmental, social, economical) that our clothes were having on the world. After that, I read everything I could get my hands on that related to Slow Clothes and the Eco-Fashion movement and I knew that this was a movement I wanted to be a part of.
I began supporting the sustainable fashion movement as a conscious consumer. When I had trouble finding locally produced, eco-friendly clothing that were my style and that I could wear to my 9-5 corporate office job, I founded Wallis Evera and started making them myself.
The company is named after my two grandmothers – both of whom lived and raised families in the 1940s, an era when materials and resources were well understood to be limited, and everything was – simply as a matter of course – recycled, reused, reduced and repaired.
What is the importance of the idea of ethical and sustainable fashion to you? What about ethical and sustainable fashion designers and companies?
As a consumer, I want to know that my actions and purchases are not contributing to environmental degradation or human rights abuses in any way. In fact, I will actively seek out companies who are creating a better world through their business model. I want my purchases to reflect my values and I believe that many consumers today feel the same way.
As awareness increases about issues such as climate change, population growth, and the limitations of our world’s natural resources and how that is all going to affect our societies, it is becoming imperative that anyone producing products at all should be searching for a way to do it sustainably… or not at all.
I believe in the assertion that building sustainability into your business is not just a moral imperative, it’s a business imperative.
What is Wallis Evera?
Wallis Evera is a Canadian eco-brand that makes modern hemp apparel. Our aim is to make clothes that can spark dialogue and inspire change toward a more sustainable future.
We focus on two key areas — Fibre + Form — to create elegant and enduring clothing for women in the workplace. We choose to make a difference by:
- Manufacturing locally, and
- Using hemp as the foundation fibre for all our products.
What are some of its feature products?
We launched our first collection in Spring/Summer 2015, comprised of simple sheath dresses, loosely structured jackets, pencil skirts and matching tops. This year, we’re adding a few pants and other separates. All our fabrics have at least 55% hemp content, and many of them have been custom woven and dyed specifically for us.
Many factors come into the fold for consideration within this movement. It is international, moderate in size, and growing. Tragedies such as the Rana Plaza collapse, was the largest garment factory accident in history with over 1,000 dead and more than 2,500 injured. Others were the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire in 1911 and the Pakistan Garment Factory Fires in 2012. This implies human rights, worker rights, and, in many instances, women’s and children’s rights. How can individuals, designers, fashion industries, and consumers begin to work to implement those rights so that these vulnerable populations in many countries of the world have better quality of life?
At Wallis Evera, we’ve chosen to manufacture locally and, although it’s an expensive choice, we will continue to manufacture locally – wherever local is – as we grow. We place a high value on contributing to our local economy and giving within the communities where we live. By staying local, we’re able to have a very close and personal relationship with our factory workers and we’re able to have a direct impact on the vulnerable populations in our own community.
What topics most interest you?
Because I have small kids and a husband that works in the public school system, our dinner table conversations tend to be a lot about educational theory – how we think, learn, change, grow – and how this can be encouraged. Stories related to the Hero’s Journey, human potential and transformation are very interesting to me, and I look for those themes when I pick up fiction, go to the theatre, read the news, build my business, everything.
What personal fulfillment comes from this work for you?
It’s incredibly fulfilling to be able to create something beautiful and tangible in the world, from nothing but an idea. The problem solving, team building, research, mistakes, all of it – being an entrepreneur in the fashion space is challenging in every way, every day. The learning curve is steep and continual, and the feedback is pretty immediate because you’re dealing with the market. But that’s what I love – every day there’s some new challenge to tackle and also some old challenge that you can celebrate or lay to rest.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
Juggling a young family and a start-up fashion business is beyond full-time work already. The only other thing I try to do on top of these two priorities is stay fit – if I can get a run in every day, I do – it’s how I stay sane!
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion?
Thank you for the opportunity, Scott.
Thank you for your time, Monique.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/10/24
In brief, how did you get interested and involved in ethical and sustainable fashion?
I have been interested in art and fashion since I was young. I have always been the type of person who wants to do positive projects in the World. Knowing that the mainstream fashion industry is so damaging as far as labor and pollution is concerned, I wanted to make a difference the by making everything ethically.
When you started Salts & West Clothing, what were some of the things you had in mind when things were just percolating? The idea was there but had not been founded yet.
I started in 2005. I have been making organic clothing for 11 years. When I started designing, you could not get many sustainable fabrics. Bamboo fabric was just becoming an option. Organic cotton was hard to find and usually uncoloured. The materials that I could find were very basic.
When I first started, I started making hoodies from my home. I was selling them at markets and eventually online. It has grown from there. The fabrics that I am able to source now are so amazing to wear. Having options for wearable and sustainable fabrics has made my work as a designer very rewarding.
What would you consider your feature product at the moment?
We are known for our hoodies. We make a very unique, beautiful hoodie. I have clients who still wear hoodies I made 11 years ago.
At the moment, we’re producing a bamboo, eco-fleece hoodie, which is soft and sustainable, as well as biodegradable. Regular fleece does not biodegrade and is left in our ecosystems forever.
If you look at your product line and getting the materials, what is the process for getting the materials?
We source from suppliers that use reputable 3rd party testing for chemicals and environmental toxins. Our Organic cotton fabrics are all certified organic. I have also have worked with organic cotton farmers in India to make fabrics there.
Our fabrics are OEKO-tex certified; this is a certification to ensure there are no harmful residues on the fabric from any of the fabric making process. The bamboo fabric is made using a closed loop system, this means that the water and materials used to make the fabric does not go into the ecosystem. It is treated in order to be used again.
We also cut and sew the clothing locally. We make most of our items on Vancouver, Island, in BC, close to our studio.
Are there any companies that you collaborate with on a consistent basis?
We work with the Sierra Club from time to time. They’re an environmental group. We also work with Elate Cosmetics; they have a chemically free, natural, vegan make-up line.
If you’re trying to formulate a design for a particular product such as for the hoodies and the leggings, what is your general process when you’re doing that?
My process really begins with the clients. I talk to clients everyday and find out what they are wanting from their clothing. We have some patterns people really love and continually grow our line from those base patterns. We add features and improve them. We get to learn a lot about what our customers want. We can adjust the design based on what people are telling me.
What do you consider the overall theme of Salts & West Clothing?
Our theme is locally produced using ethical labour with the most beautiful and useful sustainable materials available. Another big part of what we do is making things people really want to wear.
When some think about ethical and sustainable fashion, they will think about children’s and women’s rights. How much do you think women’s rights and children’s rights are intertwined with ethical and sustainable fashion, especially in areas of the world where the labour is mostly women and children?
This is the number one issue that is really near and dear to me. I feel like the fashion industry is built on the backs of women and children. People are profiting off the women that don’t have many choices. They are trying to keep their food on the table and their children fed.
I believe in a society where we can do better and expect more. I know that as one person, I am probably not going to change the whole industry. As consumers, we can make the daily choice to be aware and shop mindfully.
Do you have any advice up-and-coming new business owners that are ethically and sustainably based?
My number one piece of advice would be to work with somebody else first. Learn from somebody else before you start your own business. Then, when you are ready to launch, let go of perfection, just start small and get your ideas out there.
I think starting small with one or two projects is a great way to start. You can test the waters with one or two products instead of trying to do too much too soon. Once you know your product is viable and there is demand for it, then that’s when you can really dig in and go for it.
You started the company solo. Do you think there are different difficulties starting solo rather than together?
Each type of business has pros and cons. In a partnership you have to share the decision making process and that can be difficult. In a solo business all the responsibilities fall on you, that can also be hard. With a partner you have a second set of skills and hands available. If you have the right partner, and you chose that partner based complimentary skill sets, a combined business can be really successful.
Thank you for your time, Jennifer.
Salts & West Clothing has a Kickstarter campaign, which ends November 3, 2016. It can be seen here.
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/10/19
You mentioned greenwashing. For those that don’t know, what is greenwashing?
It is pretending to be eco or sustainable when you’re not, and using it as a marketing thing. It used to be a weird niche-y thing. When I started Au Coco, clients would come in and say, “Why should I care about eco-clothing? What does that mean?”
Now, that question is never asked, never. When I say what we do, people say, “That’s great. Wow! That’s amazing. I’ve been looking for you.” That’s in ten years, which is not a short amount of time, but it went from being weird granola grungy thing to now almost now more of an intelligent choice to live more mindfully.
If you don’t recycle, people look at you!
(Laugh)
It’s the thing to do. Now, with social media, it’s blowing up. Now, with plastics in our oceans, society and other things like wars, and the refugee crisis. People are more tuned into what’s happening.
Parents are feeling like “what can I do?” One thing I often talk about is the power of your dollar. You can vote with your dollar. Now, Wal-Mart sells organic yogurt, not because it is part of the value system, but they were losing sales to other people who were selling organic yogurt.
So, if you are mindful about where you put your money, you can create change. The corporations will follow the money.
(Laugh)
So, it’s important and empowering for people that want to be a part of the bigger change. And so, people have been making money by pretending to be eco and through greenwashing and so on.
With respect to labeling not-so ethical behavior, or company practices that are pretending to act in an appealing way to consumers, but not actually acting in that way as per greenwashing, do you think that labeling it is a good tactic to combat that – “greenwashing”?
Only if there is some policy around the labeling. For instance, with foods now, if it says, “100% Natural” or “Organic” versus “100% Organic,” you can find out exactly what that means. It is clear across the board what that means.
I’m not sure if it is global, but certainly in North America. Now, we are waiting for apparels to have standardized labelling. You can’t just say, “Oh, this is ethically made.”
You can state certain certifications, and the content is still really vague. That is coming. There’s a few different people who are working on it. I am waiting to see what happens.
With all of these things, we wait for policy to take part, even in us working on a textile recycling system. So, the municipality of Vancouver wants to ban textiles in the landfill like they have organics, like food waste.
You can’t do that without infrastructure, and so we are working with them right now along with a few other people to figure out a way. It is with a bunch of other brands. It is to figure out a way that we can set that up and what it would look like.
Not just the benefit for us, but for the residents as well. It’s not as easy as food. You can compost food on your back deck. You can’t recycle textiles. You have to mulch it and ship it away. It’s a whole thing.
Also, they could hot compost with some red wiggler worms.
(Laugh)
I do that! We’ll see what happens. Again, you don’t just need designers. You need technology and policy makers. You need all of these people who play a role in moving things forward. So, that’s why it takes a while.
It is new. This talk about eco and ethical clothing. I think we’re trying to figure out the how, how to make it easy for consumers, how to make transparency. Transparency is probably the biggest shift now.
Not only in apparel, but a lot of consumers are wanting transparency. It’s not about the perfect. For instance, Patagonia released, not that long ago, that they found child labour in their supply chain.
They weren’t about hiding it. They came out and said, “Hey, we found this and are changing it.” Patagonia has a huge ethical and sustainable mandate. They are a huge company. So, for them to find that is a big deal, and it’s not about being perfect and lying.
It is about finding an issue and we’re fixing.
It seems easier in the digital era.
Yea, totally.
Any advice for women in leadership?
I believe that the Dalai Lama is right. He said, “Western women are going to heal this world.” I think it’s important as a woman to acknowledge the special power that we have. I think we do!
(Laugh)
I think innately we have some incredible capabilities, whether that is around multitasking or other things. Science has proven our brains multitask more than men’s brains. It is not men vs. women, but as a woman leader it’s kind of a new thing.
This is still a new thing, topic of conversation. Something we are still figuring out. In our society and in other societies, but in our society, I think to have confidence in acknowledging your capabilities.
I often see women not thinking that they can do or that they aren’t capable. “Oh! I need a man to do that,” they might think. I think we are capable of it. I think we bring a unique kind of grace, which is really different not.
One perspective that is more holistic, caring, and nurturing. We need that. Maybe, that’s my advice: women are needed! If you’re feeling called, then answer the call and step up to the plate. Do your best and that’s it!
Just make sure the number is from the right person.
(Laugh)
Just make sure it’s a divine calling.
(Laugh)
A soul calling. It has taken me a way to actually listen to my intuition, to listen to my gut. Women are generally intuitive, I think. So, that’s a special something to share.
There’s one more part about women in leadership. One thing I observe with my friends, for example, is I’m in the middle. I really connect with my male friends who are business owners, but they have someone at home taking care of the child.
I connect with my friends who are moms, mostly stay-at-home moms. They watch their husbands go through the trials and tribulations of business. I can see both sides. But I have to do it all. It is hard for them understand that.
I tell my male business owner friends, “Imagine if you had to work between 9:30 and 2:30, and fit your exercise in there.” They can’t believe that. Nothing would get done and the business would fail.
So, what I’ve learned in that is you don’t have to do it all. I think that that’s what women who are – my situation might be exacerbated, but it’s made it really obvious to me – leaders in the home and in their work life (and possibly the breadwinners in their home as well).
It feels like a lot. It is a lot. It is a lot of responsibility. So, I’m saying this to myself as I’m saying this to you. With that huge sense of responsibility, you have to remember that at the end of your day just do your best, and it’s okay if things sometimes don’t get done.
You also have to have fun in there too.
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Do you have any advice for women that are single mothers for acquiring family or community support for childcare or even just being really low on money – clothes, diapers, and so on? Even the subtle things, that are part of that like emotional support for a bad day, or an unpleasant experience during a ‘black month’.
Sharing! Sharing is caring. My son’s best friend, I take the boys on day after school to hockey and then the mom takes them one day after school. We have a sharing thing today, for instance. I needed my son to go somewhere.
I called my best friend. I had her dog all weekend. He has her kids all weekend. She has her kid for a few hours. I think it’s building a sharing community and are there for one another.
I know there’s always somebody that I can phone that is 5 minutes away. You have to not be a burden on people all of the time. It has to be a give, give, give, give relationship. That goes for clothes and things too.
You can find things from other people. Often, I give my second hand clothes to other people. I know people with older kids are happy to give to me, especially hockey equipment because I befriended somebody who’s son is older and is handing down hockey gear to me, which is amazing.
It is a give, give. There’s ways, whether buying second hand or some cheap store, because kids are always growing out of stuff. There’s quite a community. My sister has two kids. She’s great with that stuff. She gets into the neighbourhood and other mom’s schools.
Daycares are great for getting to know other parents for finding things and how. Also, shoes can get really expensive. Figuring out ways where we all come together, I have a bunch of really close friends with kids and will get together at each person’s house every so often and do a pot luck style.
Then you’re only bringing one salad and a whole room of people eat collectively. Then the kids get to play together, and so you have a sense of community. To be honest, entrepreneurship is lonely and single motherhood is lonely. It really is. It is lonely, lonely!
(Laugh)
You want to make sure you aren’t isolated and make sure that you’re not alone because everybody is going through life and it can easily feel overwhelming. it is important to connect and laugh and make sure we’re enjoying the process as much as possible.
With respect to developed nations, Canada and the United States lead the world in many respects regarding single parenthood. The majority of single parents are single mothers, too.
I suspect the community that you’re talking about will be single mothers and their extended family.
I don’t know any single moms! I’m the only one. It’s not intentional, but none of my friends are divorced or single parents. Yet!
(Laugh)
I’m kidding!
(Laugh)
I don’t know why. I wonder because it is nice to have somebody who understands what you’re going through or sometimes I have a lack of patience for my friends when they are complaining about their husbands doing the dishes wrong.
I think, “Really?” Thy know my situation and what I have to go through with my ex all of the time. It helps them to appreciate their own husbands, I think.
What can make an amicable relationship during and after a divorce with an ex – for both of your own sanity, but for the wellbeing of the child too?
If there’s substance abuse issues, it is hard. My ex had nicosubstance abuse issues, and so it made things hard. That was the problem. You aren’t dealing with a sane person. That was hard.
Nicole Bridger featured in River Blue Movie on toxic dyes.
If you were dealing with somebody who was generally sane, for myself, I went and saw a therapist weekly after the divorce. The messages were clear that what was best for my son and maybe as a mom it is easiest to do what is best for your child.
It as very clear to me that even if my son could see his father for a couple hours a week as long as he was sober and my child was safe then that was priority. That there was some regular visit so my child didn’t feel abandoned and my child didn’t see his father.
It was really easy for me to separate my issues with my ex-husband because there was still hostility that I had to heal for myself separate from supporting my son having a relationship with his dad.
So, I could heal those things and put those away and forgive him for all of those things. But I still have to manage and deal with him for what is happening today for the betterment of my child.
And I think that’s what you do. You don’t use your child as a pawn. Luckily, we’ve never done that. His dad doesn’t do that, which is good. It is all about what is best for the child.
And then it becomes really clear and it’s personal, it is not easy! I get frustrated sometimes, but people, you know. Yea.
I want to switch tracks now, if that’s okay, to one of the main lines of thought. Thank you for sharing by the way.
My father is the one and only investor. I should say that too. And then we’ve gotten money from the BBC.
Now, with respect to ethical fashion, what is its importance to you?
What it really comes down to is people are treated with respect and compassion, and so are they being paid fair wages, are they working in a healthy and respectful and happy environment, there’s an estimated like 35,000,000 slaves in the world right now.
Nicole Bridger and Kendall Barber, founder of Poppy Barley ethical footwear discuss eco and ethical fashion
A lot of those being, I don’t exact percentages, employed in forced labor for apparel. And even locally, those people think since it’s made locally then it’s ethical; but it’s not. There are a lot of dismal factories here, what I would call “tiny little sweatshops.”
That wouldn’t compare to some of the factories in China that are really pristine. I think the local consumer has an idea of local good-China bad, which is not necessarily true because it’s not that simple.
I think the industry needs a lot more transparency about what that means. I think the food industry, the organic and health food industry are really leading the way around how to label consumer products.
it’s clear for them to make choices, educated choices, and that they are empowered to make the choice instead of greenwashing or whatever. For me, for buying it, there are a lot of certifications. Certifications aren’t perfect.
Fair trade is a certification. It is not full-proof, but it is a starting point. So, I factories in Nepal, Peru, and India with fair trade certifications. I buy fabric from Blue Signs factories, which is an eco thing associated with wastewater management thing.
I support global organic textiles. That is more about fair wages. Things like that that I can rely on a little bit to help me feel good. Also, it boils down to human relationships, and if you can go and physically visit the factories. That’s a good thing.
I have used factories for years and then found these things when I bought them. They were shipping half out half of their production to Chinese sweatshops in town because it was cheaper for them to use the Chinese sweatshops than to pay people in town.
Also, there were people being paid under the table, not paying taxes, and not even in their name, which is a total mess. That’s right here in a factory I’ve been using and that I visited regularly.
What I’ve been saying is I have not been given is that, it is a starting point. It is a journey. What I say to our clients is that I can’t promise to be perfect, but I can promise to do the best that we can with what we have available to us, and financially and also technology-wise what’s available and that we will constantly be improving.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/10/14
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
So, I grew up in Vancouver. I was born and raised here. I went to school here. Every play that I did was about “reduce, reuse, recycle,” and so it was ingrained in me at a young age. That the Earth is not at our disposal. That we need to take care of it. I had two very loving parents. I am fortunate to have experienced unconditional love.
At 13, I started sewing, but I thought I was supposed to go and do sciences like my parents. When I was 16, I fell in love. His dad is a shoe designer. I went off and did what I loved doing, which is designing clothes.
I decided to make a career out of it. At 15, I wanted to start my own business, have stores, and figure out what I needed to learn, from who, and where, and what. I decided to go to university of fashion design.
I built my portfolio out of school and went to Ryerson University. In third-year, I went and interned with Vivien Westwood for a semester. She was great. She answered a lot of questions, which I had in my head.
I am not a fashionista. I wasn’t sure if I could survive without selling my soul. She showed me that I could be whoever I am, which was really nice. I knew that I needed to learn business, if I wanted to do any good. There was a crew at the university.
They were working with natural fibres. They were into yoga and ate organic food. They were aware, but I wasn’t totally aware of how detrimental the industry was, yet. It wasn’t a niche thing. “Eco-fashion” was not a word yet, in our vocabulary.
I finished university. I knew I wanted to live in Vancouver. I wasn’t happy in Toronto. I worked in the summers. Lululemon had start. I was doing hemming, when they were just one store.
A friend had a business idea that they wanted me to join in on. I asked if I could come in and pick his brain about it. I wasn’t sure about a few things. He said, “Don’t start one for them, start one for me. I am successful and want to replicate the formula for success.”
I thought, “Great! But I want to start my own company. Why don’t I work for you for a year, get my hands in everything for a year, and then start my own?” He said, “Sure!” I was there for two years. I created Au Coco. It was an eco-fashion line.
It was way ahead of its time. That was in 2004. I graduated in 2003. It was 2006 when I was done there. And then I started my own company. I started in my parents’ basement. I did a program called Entrepreneurship program, or something.
You take 6 months, which is subsidized by the government, and you write a business plan. I got my first loan from the Canadian Business Association for $25,000. I bought the machines and my fabric, in my parents’ basement, and made designs from scratch.
We would go around and have sales in my mom’s basement. The mantra of the company is “I am love,” which I believe is the reason we are here. Our true essence to pure love and we have to figure out how to come to that in our own lives in our own fashion.
It is a three-part thing. It is right for the earth. It is right for people. It is right for people. For the earth, we use all sustainable fabrics. The textile industry is the second biggest contributor to toxic waste on our planet. It is a huge problem. None of us are addressing it.
Yet, we’re all a part of it. For people, I use ethical manufacturing, whether locally or overseas. And then for spirit, we put a label that says, “I am love,” into each piece of clothing to remind the wearer to come from that place.
Whether it is how they speak to themselves with loving kind words, I believe all women should feel beautiful just the way they are, and how they are treating others throughout the day and through the choices they make throughout their lives.
That’s the company. Now, we are in 2008. I got married. Then I had a child, and then I quickly got divorced. My son was 7 months old when I left. His dad was just very toxic for the relationship.
Things continued to happened. I finally sobered up to the reality of what was going on when I had my child and couldn’t have a kid in that situation. My parents invited me to live with them.
So, it was not only our business in the basement, but me and my 7-month old child were living with them. It was incredibly generous, loving people – my parents. My mom would watch him one or two days a week to breastfeed every two hours.
It would keep things going. And then in 2011, my son was about a year and half and I brought in a nanny so I could work fulltime, and I opened my store in Kitsilano. That was 2011. That, for me, was when the business really started.
That’s when we started to make sales. In 2012, the factory I had been working at locally. The owners wanted to retire, So, I bought the factory, not the build but the business, from them. That was $80,000 for 6,000 square feet of machines and 20 something employees.
They all signed on to keep working. They said it was profitable. I very quickly discovered that it wasn’t. We tried different iterations of it for 3 years. I lost a lot of money in the process. Just this last October, I closed the factory.
I just could not make it work and we were drowning. So then, I moved the store to Gastown from Kitsilano a year ago, last Spring. That was fantastic. It double sales right away as well as 50% of the clients that walk in are tourists, which is great.
And the clothing of the factory, that almost bankrupt me. Now, we are climbing out of that that. We have some financing. We are turning it around, which I am really excited about. We are starting to do really well.
The company is profitable, very quickly after closing the factory. It has been mentally, physically, emotionally, and spiritually to lay off 25 people that work paycheque to paycheque.
It is one of the hardest things I’ve had to endure. I think it was harder than my divorce.
(Laugh)
It is part of business and growing up. That’s where we are now. Now, we are profitable and doing really well and about what is ahead. I want to start another store next year. The goal of the company is to eventually grow to 20 to 50 stores, globally.
I would like 75% of our sales to be online. The stores act as a community building space, where people can come and connect. I really see that with our clients who are hungry for like-minded connection.
Our product is beautiful and functional and happens to have this value. Our value connections to our client, when you go and it doesn’t seem to push recycling down your throat. I didn’t want that.
I wanted it to be inspiring and beautiful and eventually diversify the product from women’s lifestyle to men’s, baby’s, and ethical products you can rely on for worth in how they’re made, and still beautifully designed.
That’s where we’re at.
(Laugh)
(Laugh)
My life story in 10 minutes.
Now, your son is 7.
He’s 7 and incredible. If you can imagine, I am a single mom. When we closed the factory, I moved head office into my apartment. I only started paying myself a year-ish ago when I moved into my parents’ home when my son was 6.
I finally felt like we could do it without so much help. Now, I have head office in the apartment, single mom without child care.
(Laugh)
I work when he’s at school between 9:30 and 2:30. I am supposed to put exercise in there too. Luckily, he’s 7. We can go biking and running together. It’s intense, but I just keep going. We almost hit bankruptcy a couple of times.
You just keep persevering.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/09/30
I love to collaborate. In London, it is some people throwing out some beautiful things. I always have a fantasy about how to recycle different fabrics. The rubbish company, this company collecting the rubbish from the bigger houses in London.
They just give the recycling to collaborate together. They are all too happy to give a second life to fabrics rather than throwing it out. It is a good collaboration. Also, I would like to use 3D printing. I want to learn more about this technology.
Some work with corn flour, which is a natural material. It is always improving and becoming eco-friendly. I like to be able to combine different techniques such as the oil technique., too. There are many different things ongoing.
I see eco-friendly as the future. We need to think about our future and our children’s future. We need to think about what’s going to happen later. It is all in my heart since my childhood. I love to speak about these things.
I used to teach children about recycling toys. I think teaching children is important. It is easier to teach them than the adults. I see in my background, in Transylvania, where it is normalized.
I grew up with clothes that adults would gives to parents’ children, and so on. Those that they were about to throw out they would give to the other parents for their kids. It was community sharing.
Most of part-time labour force is women. Most of those in the garment industry are women and children. If you care about children’s rights, women’s rights, and the environment, the fashion industry can be one linchpin.
I went to a sustainable event. It was looking at the fast fashion in places like Bangladesh and seeing how the children are working and so on. It’s a big problem, but it’s gaining attention.
You’ve seen the same meme campaign: who made my clothes?
Yes, people like to know where their clothes came from, which is a bit like their food. We need to get to a point where some or most people get to this point. There are companies that go handmade in London, in New York, in Vancouver, and so on. It’s hard, though.
If something is made in China, you reach more people. However, we don’t want to do that because we know what’s happening there. We need to advertise more. The people can see it on the TV and the magazines, which provides more exposure for smaller companies and brands.
In the long road, it is an uphill battle for new competitors. You’ve seen a couple countries and will be presenting and many events, soon. What is the state of ethical and sustainable fashion in contrast to non-ethical and non-sustainable fashion?
People are open to the new in the US. They are open to new products, new styles, new stuff. I still believe it is possible to grow even if I’m equal and don’t have money for advertisements. I appreciate the opportunity to talk about my brand without charging thousands of dollars.
I believe the future is getting better. I believe the word is getting out with more editors and magazines. It’s here all over the world. It is in this moment a bit in need of improvement.
Any thoughts or feelings in conclusion?
Thank you for very much for your interview. I will share this. I will share on my website as I can. It is good to think of the future, not simply our life and while we are living here, but the next generation and the environment. With hard work, we are getting there step-by-step.
Thank you for your time, Matilda.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/09/29
Your major locations are London, Vancouver, New York, and Brisbane.
New York one is for exhibitors. There will be over one thousand. I am in the handmade section. With the British designer, this was an opportunity through the UK. I applied for the opportunity. They provided the opportunity for me.
These are great opportunities for me. It is great exposure and mutually beneficial. It helps with the international viewers, buyers, and agents. Agents are very important for spreading out my brand to different countries.
After the buyers come and know the product, they can order and communicate with me. It is important to put out the shops. I like that my company is eco-luxury. Right now, nobody really knows what it is.
Many designers use organic fabrics. I think it is really starting a special line with the recycled luxury fabrics. It is finding my market and hopefully this is becoming normalized. In fact, it is becoming more normalized in the fashion culture.
People care about the environment and the natural resources, and the environment. My products are made in London, and I source all fabrics from the UK. I only buy from UK sellers for the fabrics.
I am keeping this strong. I think it’s important to keep things based on and sourced from one country. A lot has been sourced from China for other companies and brands. They are not well-made products. They are made fast. They have to change.
It is fast fashion. I think fast fashion is the direction for most companies. I want to keep the handmade and unique products. I feel like with machines it is the same. I like having things different with the products.
My next collection will be British tailor-made. It is so beautiful. It lasts forever. I would like to combine with luxury fabrics for really nice products. The rubbish company is Spencer House. It is the house where Princess Diana lived before.
It is a good rubbish company. The rubbish company called me and asked if I would like to recycle the curtains. I said, “Yes!” I went crazy, “Oh my God, it’s so full of history.” It is British tailor-made styles.
I would like to put a touch of England history to it. I am just so excited to start on that project.
It is historic. You’re able to take the materials from one of the most famous people in London and then make something unique. It’s cool.
I am so, so happy to this company found me. I have been cleaning the fabrics. I had a look at the fabric quality, and the century. I have some from the 18th century. It is a wonderful project. I am so excited to give a second life for this kind of fabric.
It is full of history. It’s exciting.
A lot of the work you’ve been discussing, the shows, the fabrics, and the collections. What have been some major collaborations other than those stores like the rubbish provided by Spencer House? You contacting them or them contacting you.
You have skill sets they don’t have, and vice versa.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/09/27
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I was born and grew up in Transylvania. It is a different life there. There are eco-fashion designers. It was a part of my life. I grew up with it around me. I found it important. I moved from Transylvania from Budapest, Hungary in 2006. In 2009, I started TildArt.
I had works showing Budapest. I always find fabric, which can be recycled. One of my collections was from vinyl records, movie strips, and recycling fabrics. In 2012, I moved to London.
It is a fashion center of the world and a fashion city. I went here without knowing the English language. I came here without knowing it. I needed to learn to take advantage of the opportunities.
One friend that does the rickshaw bike. It is a tricycle with the passenger sitting in the backseat, which can seat 3 or 4 people. When I arrived to London without English language or money, I started to ride the rickshaw.
(Laughs)
It was a bit difficult at times. I was in the city. After I get used to the it and the English language, it was interesting. I met a lot of interesting people. I found my main show piece through a bicycle inner tube.
With my new collection, I hand wove together and put things together with different techniques. There are bicycle inner tubes put together. I changed the fabric. I changed the fabric into luxury or quality fabrics, which I combined together.
With recycled products, they are cheaper, made faster, and so on. I started my studio in London in 2014. I decided to do something different than it with recycled products. It looks luxury and feels that way, too.
Before, when I did the rickshaw, I had a work in Hungary. I applied to different events. I applied to the Vancouver fashion show week. They invited me. It was my first big event. Everybody loved my collection. I brought two. One from bicycle inner tubes.
Another from movie strips. When I opened he studio, I decided that the fabric would be high quality or luxury. There are many handmade products from me. I use handmade oils and new technology like a laser cutter, for instance.
My buyers are more North Americans and people from London. I decided to go back to Vancouver to do the next show with a different collection, not simply a recycling eco-luxury. It was a wonderful time.
I had a lot of interest. I had sales. It is a really, really nice event. I really think it is like 100 staff members that organize the events into perfection. I really enjoy the event, especially bringing the collection.
Everything is working to bring my dream come true, and it’s coming true. I am rally enjoyed being there. From Vancouver, I went to Los Angeles. I found Los Angeles buyers as well. I make private sales occasionally, too.
I went to the New York. I had an exhibition at the trade show. This is the next level of selling products for the business. Also, I will have work showing in Australia on October 8. When I came back from New York, I have to leave to Australia, which means a lot going.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/09/22
What meaning does this work bring for you?
Everything, there’s a lot of different aspects. I have often been yelled at by friends and family that I work too much. I am happy when I am here. I know every time that we improve, then we are helping people make a difference.
Of course, we want to give really great shoes to vegans and those ethically inclined. However, my goal is to reach out to people who would normally use leather, especially since the lifetime of a shoe should be more than a year.
People think it’s a year. I want to reach out to those people and let them know you can have shoes that last 10 years. That concept that ethical and sustainable fashion is an option. It’s, to me, a love. I spend a lot of time in the retail front of the shop. I love talking to customers.
I love taking feedback. That means I can direct us in a way that is fulfilling the demands of the marketplace. Also, it is making sure that it is not simply the niche that we are getting to, but when we get to customers that aren’t ethically inclined or vegans.
They say, “Oh, this isn’t leather.” We go, “No, it’s not.” We say, “It’s a high-tech synthetic. It’s neither animal or plant.” It different and durable. But they go, “It looks exactly like leather.”
It is getting to those people. I will come back to that. It is a big thing for me, getting to people who don’t necessarily think that is an option, and getting to people who believe leather is the best thing out there and going.
It’s not. You’re looking at pineapple fibre and leather made out of mushrooms now. There are so many amazing things going around. The slaughter of animals is important. Same with the mass consumption of things is important.
We have people come after three years from the first purchase and come to replace the shoe, change the color, replace the laces, and then you have a new shoe, but you haven’t gotten a new product, really.
You have re-utilized what you had before. You are reducing the amount of resources you use significantly. The impact is like the person buying 6 shoes a year versus 2 pairs of shoes in 10 years. If you think about it, it is a lot of resources being saved.
That’s a lot less in terms of manufacturing and stuff being grown. That’s a whole lot fewer animals being slaughtered. Everything, I can’t tell you one thing alone. It is every little bit of it.
It is reaching out to people that don’t quite know that that is available. It is improving out customer standards, providing a better product, and so on. All of it is fulfilling. All of it.
A lot of the ethical and sustainable fashion help reduce the amount of climate change and global warming ongoing via carbon capture. In addition, it can reduce the need for animal fibres, which can be a net carbon negative in the end.
Cow leather is the most common in terms of industries. Camels are more expensive. It’s funny because if you stop using leather. That will leave farmers with all of this left over product, which they can’t circulate.
It’s the same thing with the meat. If you consume it less, you get to the point that you’re cutting down and it’s supply and demand. If there’s no demand for it, then they have reduced supply. Otherwise, it will cost them.
You’re looking at less and less lives being take and destroyed because you’ve decided to make an ethical choice. One company we deal with, and have stock in the shop, are Eco Vegan Shoes.
They have a concept: beyond leather. It resonates with me. It is getting past that.
This can reduce the amount of consumption of things that become pollutants. One model is sustainable and recycles the fibres through decomposition. These can be net negative for carbon emissions, especially to your point, I think. Any thoughts or feelings in conclusion?
I think with something like pineapple fibre. It is not necessarily about the agriculture, when you harvest a pineapple for every pineapple you have these leaves that sit around it and the leaves would go to waste or compost.
They figured out how to use those leaves to turn them into a fibre. You’re reducing what would normally go to a lot of waste and utilizing it. It is not that it will decompose and replenish the soil. You have use what would go to waste and then made a product.
You have reduced people use PVC-based stuff and using other stuff. That new product will biodegrade. Yes, it goes through manufacture and treatment. The amount of manufacture that goes into it would be a lot less for that product.
With us, you’re looking at a synthetic product, but that will last 10-015 years; whereas, a natural product will last much shorter comparatively. Also, our material is designed to biodegrade, and will dot hat over a century.
It is designed to fall apart. Even when creating synthetics, there is a way, even if there is enough money to do research into those products to make those that are good for the environment because they have the sustainability and durability to them.
You’re using less resources. Some synthetics are good and some are bad. The bad ones won’t last a long time and are not as durable. They made to recycled and then used to make another pair of shoes, and so on. The difference is substantial.
Multiple factors come into it. If I had the choice, I would go for something that is the by-product of another industry. That means that which is being used is re-utilized, and that it is sustainable. So, you don’t have to recreate a product several times.
And I think it is a good value for the world. Often, people can put all of the money into developing and creating a product. All of the sudden, you realize that it is too expensive for anyone to afford and it becomes pointless.
It is all of those factors being taken in and being considered that will eventually get us to a point where we are using materials that are way more sustainable and ethical. I hope that will point us in the right direction in the end.
Thank you for your time, Bonnie.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/09/20
This is part two of a four part interview series. For part one, please click here.
In brief, tell us how you got involved in ethical and sustainable fashion.
I started working full-time here five years ago. The owner of the company, Peter, is my step-dad. He started the company 21 years ago, which was when ethical and sustainable fashion was not something familiar to people.
The business started with Peter getting a redundancy from his job. He has always been a vegan. He was looking for some good quality vegan shoes. He never found any that he was happy with by his standards.
He put out an ad about starting a vegan shoe store. He met the co-founder Jenny. She is no longer in the store. She was involved until about 3 years ago. Peter and Jenny started the business and began manufacturing in Australia. They worked from there – step by step.
If you take the idea of ethical and sustainable fashion, what is the importance of it to you?
I think it should be the baseline. I don’t see why we should have any other form of fashion. I don’t see why you should invest any money or effort into unsustainable things. If you look at the planet today, we are saturated with population.
We are using more resources than everyone has access to, which is a sustainability issue. It should be the baseline. We receive feedback from customer. I want them. I like them, but my shoes from 5 years ago still work.
It is probably a terrible business model, but a good business ethic. We want things to last through time. That’s why if you look at our store that our styles have a classic fashion look to them.
They are more or less timeless. People don’t have to go out and purchase new shoes every few months or soles every 3 months. The shoes are designed to be repairable and durable.
Many things come into the discussion such as the Rana Plaza Factory collapse. This is an incident that garners attention with injuring over 2,500 people and killing over 1,000. That’s when these issues come to the fore.
Most of the workers in the garments industry are low-income, children, and women. What aspects of this play into children’s rights and women’s rights?
Usually, we’re doing the majority of the manufacturing in Australia. Workers are looked after, well-compensated, and treated well. We started looking at making a small range of shoes a couple years ago, in India.
Recently, we’ve had the first line of products come out of there. Apart from being really corrupt, things in India move slowly. Peter and myself will go and visit them every 12 to 18 months.
My background is Indian. That makes walking in and talking easier with the workers rather than through agents and managers. I am going in and having conversations with the workers. I see what they’re after there.
We are exploring options into developing education programs for the women that are employed and looking at how to help them educate their children. We want to build something that would mean the empowerment of women without taking away the culture.
That is something hard to deal with when you’re dealing with another country. Often, I have realized that women don’t want to or are afraid to because they’ve never been told that they can manage the business.
They don’t understand the conversation because they don’t have the conversation. In terms of kids’ rights and women’s rights, kid shouldn’t work. I know a lot of cultures put their kids to work young. I know they are poorer and need the income to support the family.
However, childhood should be about exploration and education. We can work to empower women and parents to allow their child to have a good childhood growing up. We can give them the resources to educate themselves. And that it’s okay to educate themselves.
That breaking some cultural barriers is a good thing. Some conversations with women close off because they feel as though they’ll get in some trouble if they decided to further their careers. They don’t see it as careers, only as a labour job.
I think kids should not be allowed to work and parents should have the resources to give their children and themselves a good life.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/09/16
In brief, tell us how you got involved in ethical and sustainable fashion.
I started working full-time here five years ago. The owner of the company, Peter, is my step-dad. He started the company 21 years ago, which was when ethical and sustainable fashion was not something familiar to people.
The business started with Peter getting a redundancy from his job. He has always been a vegan. He was looking for some good quality vegan shoes. He never found any that he was happy with by his standards.
He put out an ad about starting a vegan shoe store. He met the co-founder Jenny. She is no longer in the store. She was involved until about 3 years ago. Peter and Jenny started the business and began manufacturing in Australia. They worked from there – step by step.
If you take the idea of ethical and sustainable fashion, what is the importance of it to you?
I think it should be the baseline. I don’t see why we should have any other form of fashion. I don’t see why you should invest any money or effort into unsustainable things. If you look at the planet today, we are saturated with population.
We are using more resources than everyone has access to, which is a sustainability issue. It should be the baseline. We receive feedback from customer. I want them. I like them, but my shoes from 5 years ago still work.
It is probably a terrible business model, but a good business ethic. We want things to last through time. That’s why if you look at our store that our styles have a classic fashion look to them.
They are more or less timeless. People don’t have to go out and purchase new shoes every few months or soles every 3 months. The shoes are designed to be repairable and durable.
Many things come into the discussion such as the Rana Plaza Factory collapse. This is an incident that garners attention with injuring over 2,500 people and killing over 1,000. That’s when these issues come to the fore.
Most of the workers in the garments industry are low-income, children, and women. What aspects of this play into children’s rights and women’s rights?
Usually, we’re doing the majority of the manufacturing in Australia. Workers are looked after, well-compensated, and treated well. We started looking at making a small range of shoes a couple years ago, in India.
Recently, we’ve had the first line of products come out of there. Apart from being really corrupt, things in India move slowly. Peter and myself will go and visit them every 12 to 18 months.
My background is Indian. That makes walking in and talking easier with the workers rather than through agents and managers. I am going in and having conversations with the workers. I see what they’re after there.
We are exploring options into developing education programs for the women that are employed and looking at how to help them educate their children. We want to build something that would mean the empowerment of women without taking away the culture.
That is something hard to deal with when you’re dealing with another country. Often, I have realized that women don’t want to or are afraid to because they’ve never been told that they can manage the business.
They don’t understand the conversation because they don’t have the conversation. In terms of kids’ rights and women’s rights, kid shouldn’t work. I know a lot of cultures put their kids to work young. I know they are poorer and need the income to support the family.
However, childhood should be about exploration and education. We can work to empower women and parents to allow their child to have a good childhood growing up. We can give them the resources to educate themselves. And that it’s okay to educate themselves.
That breaking some cultural barriers is a good thing. Some conversations with women close off because they feel as though they’ll get in some trouble if they decided to further their careers. They don’t see it as careers, only as a labour job.
I think kids should not be allowed to work and parents should have the resources to give their children and themselves a good life.
*This is part one of a four part interview series with Bonnie Murthy.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/08/31
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I grew up in a family of craftspeople in rural south Missouri, and was always making things, creating, exploring nature. I’d spend hours by the creek, with the plants and animals, and developed a relationship with nature that is a wellspring of joy and curiosity to me. I started a handmade clothing line right out of high school, selling to boutiques, and kept getting asked to make wedding dresses. I thought brides would be crazy to work with, and I resisted at first.
I made my first wedding dress (a pale blue one) and set of bridesmaids dresses at age 19, after taking on a more custom orders launched a small eco bridal collection.
I am a self-taught maker, I went to school for fashion but everything or real importance I learned by experimenting… I love taking old dresses apart, and we still re-create many heirloom vintage wedding gowns for brides.
My super power is intuitive design, working closely with a bride to design her dream dress. I love walking a bride through every fitting, putting the final details together and that moment where every element is in agreement and clicks and makes the bride shine!
What is the importance of ethical/sustainable fashion to you?
It would be too easy to design a line of dresses with trendy elements and have it unethically manufactured, but my conscious wouldn’t let me do business in this way. Besides, I like a a good challenge
We only use three main fabrics in our gowns, sumptuous eco sources Silk/Hemp blend, and two weights of Organic Cotton that’s grown and milled in the USA. These fabrics are so amazing and each different texture work together to create so many diverse styles.
What is Janay A Eco Bridal?
Custom Weddings gowns for Awesome Eco-Goddess. Based in Kansas City, working nationwide soon with a mobile service and we can also design over skype and mail finished dresses to brides anywhere!
What makes Janay A Eco Bridal unique?
We focus on creating each gown specifically to the brides desires, much different than buying a gown style from a store that many hundreds of brides also would be wearing. The custom process is a unique alchemy, taking the most luxurious natural materials and waving a magic wand (meaning much hrd work by my small and talented team of pattern makers and sewers!) to craft the most special dresses for our lovely eco-goddess brides.
The designs we create are as varied as each unique awesome lady we get to design in collaboration with. Things that I really love are clean lines with a bit of flowey whimsey, comfort, functionality and subtle design surprises. Dashes of vintages laces and textures are so fun to play with, and I often add pockets or hidden colourful linings or tulle under a skirt.
Many gowns I design are made to transition from full length formal ceremony gown to a short fun party frock for the reception and beyond, as easy as the removal of a part of the bottom of the dress.
What is the greatest challenge in founding a business?
Adhering to the mainstream business model didn’t work for me- things like big bridal shows, industry bridal trade shows, selling to stores weren’t congruent with how my bride shops or set up to deliver the personal attention that brides deserve.
After I let go of trying to do these things my custom business blossomed, now I’m able to empower more local women who are the artisans that create the dresses and accessories.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
My next big project is so exciting- I’m rebranding a mobile version of Janay A as “High Vibe Bride,” which will be a functioning custom shop and design studio in a remodeled biodiesel bus.
I’ll be able to go on tours to other cities and bring eco-custom designed wedding gowns to brides, made on location rather than having to mail a gown out to be fitted to perfection, and without having to go through bridal shops.
What meaning or personal fulfillment does this work bring for you?
This work is the most fulfilling! I love being able to facilitate making brides dreams come true and doing it in a way that is ethical and in right relation with the earth and all beings. That truly is the magic sparkles on my days, plus I also get to empower local women who are my awesome seamstresses and accessory designers. Icing on the cake!
With regard to ethical and sustainable fashion companies, what’s the importance of them now?
There is a power in this collective movement for slow fashion, where quirky eco businesses like mine can thrive. We’re all in this together, and by lifting everyone up through the creation process I feel good about contributing to a vibrant healthy planet.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion?
Thank you for including my business in this awesome website, honoured to be among such a talented conscious collective!
Thank you for your time, Janay.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/08/25
Dorris Bogus, founder of KaMIT Sport fitness and lifestyle wear focuses 30 percent of her line on eco-friendly fabrics like organic cotton and bamboo. Read more about her and Kamit Sport below!
Tell us about yourself – familial/personal story, education, and prior work.
I grew up in Knoxville Tennessee. as the middle child of 10 siblings. I can remember vividly shopping at thrift stores for clothes for school and special events. “New” was not a part of my upbringing. Perhaps that is where my affinity for recycling started. I graduated from Tennessee State University with a BS in Allied Health and minor in Chemistry. I worked in a clinical laboratory for 10 years in Texas and Hawaii.
After moving to Plano in 1991, I started a floral and gift basket business with a focus on corporate accounts. After the tragedy of 911, most of my corporate business dried up. I started my apparel business for two reasons. I like working out and wanted to inspire and address obesity in teenagers (I thought that apparel would be a way to reach them. It was not) and I like the creative-entrepreneurial process. Later I focused marketing efforts toward an older demographic.
I am currently married and have three children. We reside in Plano Texas.
After a 3rd grade student called my company and asked If we recycled I started to consider ways to incorporated eco-friendly fabrics into my line of active wear and also to find ways to recycle the everyday items associated with running a business.
What is the importance of ethical fashion to you?
The number one reason is Empathy.
Scott, I grew up working. I started working summer jobs at the age of 13. Some of the jobs were hard in terms of long hours with little pay. When I look at the age of the workers and the working conditions in some of these apparel factories it is dis-hearting. Many of the workers have no way to advance and to earn a decent wage. Right now, my company is able to hire local talent for design, and cut and sew when needed. I like being able to visit the companies associated with the production of my products. As my company grows I will continue to require the same fair labor standards.
What is the importance of sustainable fashion to you?
I want future generation to inherit a planet that is able to replenish itself without the use of harsh chemicals that pollute the air. To me it is all about the next generation. They need a legacy to build on not one that they constantly have to repair. Sustainable fabric in particular are well suited for the category of clothes that KaMIT makes. Active wear requires certain properties that fabrics like bamboo and organic cotton already possess. Bamboo is naturally antimicrobial, has moisture wicking properties. Bamboo is easy to maintain and holds up well under repeated washing. It is great to design with and feels great against the skin. Organic cotton requires less water and no harsh insecticides to grow abundantly.
eco friendly fitness wear from Kamit Sport
KaMIT (pronounced Commit) because whatever you do you have to commit to it.
KaMIT is women active/casual wear brand. KaMIT (fit for your lifestyle) allows a woman to transition through her day in comfort and style.
KaMIT the brand takes into account the many roles that women have during the course of 24 hours. As a mother of three children I wore many hats; mom, wife, PTA board member, entrepreneur, I struggled to find balance and a wardrobe that was functional and stylish.
The pieces in the line can do double duty.
Eco friendly clothing from Kamit Sport
What makes the company unique?
The company’s culture is one thing that makes it unique. I learned the industry from the ground up. I could not sew a pillowcase let alone use industrial sewing equipment, so the company likes to take chances on new hires and train them. I would not ask any employee, contract worker or anyone associated with my company to do anything that I would not do myself.
We are constantly searching for sustainable fabrics to incorporate into the brand. We design in ways to leave as little as possible fabric on the floor. When possible, we use recycled newsprint for cutting out patterns. We are looking at outfitting our sewing machines with motors that are quieter, (minimize noise pollution) and that shut down when the petal is not being pressed (energy efficient).
Mentee Cori Robertson for Kamit Sport
We mentor design students from the local high schools and University of North Texas.
We are able to design, make patterns, grade and sample sew in house. We can do small production runs in house.
What other work are you involved in at this point in time?
I am on the board of a non-profit J. B. Dondolo whose main effort is to provide services to impoverished areas worldwide. J B Dondolo is a member of Green Industry Platform.
What meaning or personal fulfillment does this work bring for you?
I remember the charitable organizations that helped my family and me. When I was growing up without the help of charities like the Salvation Army, I would not have had clothes and sometimes food to eat. The ability to give back to people who just need the necessities of life like food, health care, clean water, and shelter is rewarding. It feels like I am reaching back and helping and paying it forward as well.
With regard to ethical and sustainable fashion companies, what’s the importance of them now?
I think that with the global economy as well as global warming we have a real and immediate sense of connection with all groups of people and a responsibility to act consciously towards the ultimate good of all. Ethical and sustainable fashion is the industry’s opportunity to do just that.
Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion?
I urge all in the fashion industry to plan incorporate and actively monitor their efforts to make the planet cleaner, safer and sustainable for now and for future generations. Do what you can.
Thank you for your time, Dorris.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): Trusted Clothes
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/05/31
When you think of individual effort and the problems that affect our sense of self, self-doubt can be crippling.
Here at Trusted Clothes, the important part of our mandate is social activism for sustainable, ecologically friendly, and ethical fashion. Don’t despair, don’t be paralyzed by self-doubt, and don’t let your hearts be troubled, is what I say.
Social activism that involves a concentrated effort to increase the consumption of natural fibres in an economy that relies heavily on synthetic/man-made fibres is a tall order to fill. Some of the major global impacts that have to do with climate change and global warming are because of pollution and the consumption of natural resources.
Some estimate that there are over 4.54 trillion pieces of micro plastics in the world’s oceans today. What’s worse is that our current recycling practices cannot keep up with the rate at which these micro plastics pollute the environment and, therefore, our consumption patterns are unsustainable in the long term but they can be sustainable to a limited degree in the short-term. However, this brings forth the question; what kind of world do we want to leave for our children, grandchildren, and even our future selves that are on the road to aging and ill-health? The solution to this issue may come down to the individual.
A Collection of Individuals
As individuals, we make up the larger society that participates in this consuming culture. That means an individual with positive intent may have some measure of self-doubt, a quality that affects most of us. I concluded a previous piece with the question, ‘but what can’t we do?’ I have come up with what I think is a suitable answer; any change in history comes from the dead and forgotten in name and action, but it is seen through their triumph over self-doubt via collective action. Name any movement, it was accomplished using this method, which is to overcome the worst enemy of the self, and help others to do the same.
This question ‘but what can I do’ is a reasonable concern that seems grounded, partly, in some form of self-doubt. If I’m an individual, and I’m attempting to do some good for future generations, the health of the environment, and to also contribute towards a sustainable system for all other living beings, then I have to take into account that I am a single individual and at times, I can feel devastatingly lonely in my endeavours.
But, at the same time, there are reasons to be hopeful and feel less alone making sustainable choices. I think that one of the main reasons to maintain a sense of hopefulness comes from the fact that people around the world are becoming more connected through the internet. As more people have access to devices with internet connectivity, relevant information is becoming more available to people across all social and economic backgrounds enabling them to be able to better educate themselves on issues that are of great importance to their local communities and the world at large. Therefore, community participation, social activism, and economic activism through the use of more environmentally friendly resources like natural fibres/textiles, can be incorporated into the fashion industry and can also be taken into account within the global perspective. This, I think, is a great reason to have hope.
And as with everything written, I could be wrong, incredibly wrong – think for yourself and come up with your own conclusions. I’m human and a writer. I have biases, fallibilities, and quirks – even some funny ones. My words aren’t gold, nor are they a calf.
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2016/05/23
We’re back again once more with a very short discussion on natural fibres! Another important discussion around the foundations of sustainable and ethical and healthy fashion. We here at Trusted Clothes work on these issues and consider them of the utmost importance.
Natural fibres are more important than many other things. They incorporate networks of people and ideas in blogs and fashion clothing lines. Ide’s to do with global warming and climate change, sustainability, pollution of the environment, plastics, synthetic fibre industries including especially polyester, and many things that are not necessarily on the forefront of concern, and possibly those not even discovered to date.
The basic distinction in natural fibres is between plant and animal fibres. Plant fibres have cellulose and can decompose. Animal fibres have amino acids for proteins and can decompose. One of the best ways to decompose is hot composting. However, one of the other ways to decompose, a standard way, is through cold composting. Composting is dumping stuff into a pile with other rotting things like fruit and vegetable peels and the stuff will, in general, if not synthetic, decompose and can make for a pretty good fertilizer.
There can be some additional help for the decomposition with a general purpose red wiggler worms. They’ve helped for millions of years. Why not some more now? Synthetic fibres or man-made fibres cannot decompose and they are in fact the problem for the environment, for climate change and global warming. Their lifecycle is only a one-way arrow and not an actual cycle. Not even that little critter can help. Sorry little buddy!
So I want to talk a little bit about what the nature of the problem is. The problem is that healthy and sustainable ethical fashion does require a focus on the natural fibres. Natural fibres are pretty much the only way that we do have and know about in terms of creating the cycle of the Earth’s fibres.
Fibres that can be taken from the earth, manufactured and made into fashion, and then put back into the earth – or what is put back into the earth becomes the fertilizer based on the decomposition of the original biological material
The fibres can then be utilized for further growth of crops that can be used for fibres. The nature of the problem is many, many fold. It is a multi-headed beast, but we can work our way through it. So, what can we do?
We can change our consumption patterns. We can change the things that we grow. We can change the things that we wear. We can change the things we consider fashionable. We can adapt our current consumption patterns to a more sustainable cycle. We can coordinate with indigenous cultures that happen to use natural fibres rather than larger conglomerates and corporations that happen to use the synthetic or man-made fibres that do not decompose and pollute the environment, that contributes to one of the most devastating environmental challenges overtime for the 21st-century known as climate change/global warming.
This is noted by the international community, many national communities and societies, groups and associations and organizations, and individuals with equal perspective and concern not only for themselves, but also for the subsequent generations coming before our children and our children’s children. If we do want an sustainable future, and to keep ethical bounds of with respect to our life-support system known as the environment, then we will need to have a radical shift in terms of how it relates to the environment as a whole.
As with everything written, I could be wrong, incredibly wrong – think for yourself and come to your own conclusions. I’m human. I’m a writer. I have biases, fallibilities, and quirks – even some funny ones. My words aren’t gold, nor are they a calf.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Medium (Rick Rosner)
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2017/07/01
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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What about women having children by nature, by biology, and that putting a brake/break on career progress, if they choose to have children?
Rick Rosner: Physicists and mathematicians there’s a kind of saying that for the best of them they’re done by their 30s. For some reason, whatever let them make the huge breakthroughs, thought runs out by 40 at the latest. it could be adult responsibilities. It could be that people only get a few big breakthroughs in thought and once they’re out you’ve shot your wad, but physicists and mathematicians are cooked by 40, but, again, is one of those things that was probably garbage.
Erdos was doing math being the wandering math guy until he dropped dead, but let’s just say for the sake of whatever that you are cooked by 35 or 40. Well, then, the having of babies stuff and women are having babies later in life than ever before at least in the developed countries. So, there’s plenty God! I am going to get trapped in inadvertently sexist reasoning here.
you can do geniusey stuff at any time and in any environment if you set it up. It’s not saying that people can have it all, but if somebody is going to be the early genius. they may do that before they’re having a kid. There are plenty of countries in the world in which having a kid and in which measures having a kid does not interrupt your career momentum or interrupts it less.
That having a baby thing is just an excuse and shouldn’t be regarded in our current — or as an old timey excuse to fuck over women. It is something that can be worked around.
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2017/06/22
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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: You gave three examples. All men. What about women?
Rick Rosner: History, that is the recording of — the — there have been about 106 billion people that have ever lived, but you would be hard pressed to make a list of a few million people before 1950 who made any mark on history at all — that’s a bit of an exaggeration, about 1% of people in history have made any mark on history before the modern era when everything gets recorded.
History, of the 1% of people who made it into history before 1950, it would be likely that the vast majority would guys, especially people about whom more than one sentence worth of stuff is in stone. Women in many cultures were limited to the domestic phase, faced professional bias, but there’s no reason that women can’t be as geniusey as guys, well there is one reason that I suspect falls apart fairly easily There seem to be, when you test for intelligence, which is itself questionable, there seem to be more outliers, people at the extremes among guys than women.
But that’s based on stuff like IQ, which is a little garbagey, and even if that happens to be true, and who knows if it is, scoring well on a test, you kind of get the idea that guys are put together a little more shoddily than women. that one mostly missing chromosome, and so it’s easy to get glitches. Both happy glitches and not-so happy glitches because in many cases an outlying intelligence is coupled with a bunch of not-so positive characteristics.
But stuff like IQ-based arguments, they weren’t always garbage, but are garbage now because we live in a world that is opening up via technology, so that whatever your natural score on an IQ test, even though there’s not really any such thing because environment always plays a part you can still make yourself into what you want to be.
I shouldn’t even have mentioned that outlier thing ’cause it is probably bullshit and it’s not particularly relevant even if there is a shred of truth to it and I think it is probably how the president of Harvard got fired fro mentioning something like that. Anyway, it’s garbage. There’s been all sorts of institutional reasons of why women have made it into history less than guys, and those reasons have very little to do with innate potential and we live in a time when much of those institutional roadblocks are being scrutinized.
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2017/06/15
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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Alfred Russell Wallace.
Rick Rosner: Yea — Wallace. Darwin and Wallace were good guys and decided to simultaneously publish. Darwin gets much more of the credit because Darwin was sitting on 24–30 years of work, and so he had hundreds and hundreds of pages of arguments and examples. He brought the hammer down on people who thought that anyone who wanted to easily discount his arguments — people were still arguing about evolution — but his opening salvo kicked everyone’s butt. It made it impossible to ignore or deny that there was at least evidence for this, even though people still continue to deny with their Creation museums. So, thinking about your tough problems until the point of obsession is a hallmark of world changing genius. Feynman — not Feynman — Hawking has unique qualifications for thinking at maniacal levels of dedication about his issues in physics.
Hawking was apparently not the most serious student, but a brilliant student, which is probably true if you watch Eddie Redmayne in the Hawking film, which I think reflects his cavalier attitude towards some of the things that might be expected of physics students. Physics is notorious for having problems or problem sets that might take four hours to work on 3 problems. And Hawking hated that, but was brilliant enough to work through that stuff without extreme drudgery that some other people might experience.
So, brilliance is always a more than adequate excuse to slack off on the hard work to physics, but over time, Hawking becomes locked into his body and eventually loses the ability to write and had to develop a picture-symbol language for himself that allowed him to manipulate tough physics equations and situations in his head. He no longer had a way to keep records on or to keep records physically, and so he was forced to train his brain through what I assume is concentrated, competitive, obsessive thought to think in physics terms.
And I guess that many people who are renowned for genius have followed this strategy, whether inadvertently or purposely to super-train their brains for the tasks that are taking place. I’ve tried to do that. In the middle of all my distractions and laziness, I have still been thinking about physics since I was 10, and with more of a focus that is more of a framework of what I’m thinking from just before I was 21 and now I’m 56.
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2017/06/08
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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let’s talk about mental discipline, executive function, things like that.
Rick Rosner: When you look at some of the most famous geniuses have done, it’s often the result of thinking about tough problems for periods of many years. Either because they want to or I suspect in some cases because they forced themselves to keep coming back to a problem and reviewing it and breaking down their assumptions about it, and trying to find other angles on it.
Einstein first became fascinated with physics when he gave someone a compass. The kind that points North when he was 5 or 6 years old. The mysteriousness of some underlying force that was making the needle point in the same direction all of time fascinated him and triggered a habit of thinking about problems in physics for hours every day, I would assume, or the rest of his life.
He was 26 when he had his miracle year, Annus Mirabilus is a term for a year that he thought of a bunch of stuff including calculus and universal gravitation, but it should be applied to Einstein in 1905 because he published. Einstein never won the Nobel Prize for Relativity. it was not substantiated enough at the time and maybe there was political — scientific awards are as political as anything else. He published his theory of special relativity in 1905 and 5 other papers too including one on Brownian Motion, which proved the atomic nature of matter by proving the little juggles in liquids, and I think for that — that’s the among the reasons for him winning the Nobel Prize, and in the few years leading up to the papers and couple after he was working at the patent office looking at people’s patent applications, which gave him enough time on and off the job to think up these 4 papers that changed the world or most of which changed the world.
It was another ten years before he came up with General Relativity, which as a similar name to Special Relativity but is an entirely different theory, and deals with how gravitation and space and matter determine each other, and he had a bunch of years in those years between special and general relativity where he got discouraged. he had an overall picture of what he wanted the theory to do, but couldn’t find the math to do it, and he kept getting what he thought was close but that the math wasn’t adequate. He wasn’t the greatest math guy. His friends or some of them knew more specialized math than he did, and finally one of them pointed him in the right direction, which is a major — I don’t know the math of Special or General Relativity but there is a matrix that has 10 variables that let’s you set the conditions of space based on the equations.
He spends or starts thinking about physics when he is a little kid. He might have gotten the. From 10–26, he is thinking about physics, brings out his four famous papers, does general Relativity after another 10 years in the meantime. he is contributing to other scientific discussions, and then he is 36 at the time this paper is at the end of his or thought of as his major contribution to physics, and among things, and I don’t know how he did it, but the laser he invented it in paper. he had lots to say about quantum mechanics, which he disliked because of its probabilistic nature. He spent the last half of his life, which means well over half of his life, as a theoretician trying to come up with a unified field theory, which he failed to do, but his — every day big chunks of his day every day were spent thinking about physics and probably willing himself to think about physics at times of frustration because he probably had more times of frustration than breakthroughs, especially considering that from 1916 to his death in 1955 39/38 years.
he was working towards a theory that he never completed. So, you’ve got Darwin famous for taking more than 20 years to push out his theory of evolution, and only then because he received word that someone else had or was ready to publish a similar theory. Darwin goes on the Beagle. This five-year voyage where he sees all of these geological formations and different animals, which convince him that the world that we live in is the result of deep time, of at the very least hundreds of millions of years of evolutionary history.
he spends 20 years or more writing and refining the arguments and not publishing until his buddies say that there’s another paper by another guy. Who was the other guy?
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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: We have external devices to calculate, to compute. These assist in numerous ways such as cats fighting dogs or Mathematica to help mathematicians to figure out theorems. How might the future look in mid-future to far future?
Rick Rosner: All of human history up to now has been the Age of Low-Hanging Fruit. We have been able to find relationships among things that are fairly easily expressed and don’t have that many variables. In massive computer networks like all the computers who are connected to do flash trading on the stock market, you can have unpredictable events, flash crashes, that remain somewhat inexplicable after the fact, even after people try to analyze them. Although, I’m not sure how inexplicable. We will, as our technology increases, begin to exploit less simple sets of relationships among potential variables and find new things in the world whose relationships aren’t as clear and apparent. We’ll find new relationships in the world that aren’t as simple or obvious as the relationships that we’re used to in math and physics and analyzing human behavior.
In the 80s, Wall Street was invaded by the quants. I think they’re called that, which are fairly large numbers of people with thorough and sophisticated mathematical training. People who are post-docs in physics and math, who hadn’t been on Wall Street before and were able to come up with algorithms. Before the 80s, in Wall Street, trading was done by ballsy guys that just went with their guts, but the 80s come in and the quants come in in the 80s and they tease out mathematical relationships, trends, algorithms, to detect trading patterns. Wall Street became mathematicized. The early quants and the companies that hired them made a bunch of money as they got out ahead — because they were using trading techniques that were more sophisticated than the rest of Wall Street and then the rest of Wall Street caught up without becoming more predictable because as things became computerized and I don;’ know what the volume of trading has increased by in the 70s and now, but it is probably 500-fold because of all of the computer trading. Shares change hands in thousandths of a second.
So, the easy math has been done, and now it’s the advantages coming up with the slightly faster algorithms or the fiber optic cables that give gains of a few microseconds faster than the other people, but over the next 30 years the informational capacity of humans and their artificial intelligent or engineered assistants will lead to a second wave of find more complicated and subtle relationships in the financial markets and probably in the fields of science, math, and other human endeavours.
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1. Interview with In-Sight (June 2020)
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Within the DSM-V, of those criteria for formal diagnosis of an individual with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), what ones seem the most reliable, valid, and powerful as predictors of NPD to each of you?
Sam Vaknin: The DSM V is a vast improvement over the DSM IV-TR in that it includes an alternate model with criteria which are dimensional, not categorical; dynamic, not static; and descriptive rather than taxonomic (concerned with lists of symptoms).
The DSM V re-defines personality disorders thus:
“The essential features of a personality disorder are impairments in personality (self and interpersonal) functioning and the presence of pathological personality traits.”
According to the Alternative DSM V Model for Personality Disorders (p.767), the following criteria must be met to diagnose Narcissistic Personality Disorder (in parentheses my comments):
Moderate or greater impairment in personality functioning in either identity, or self-direction (should be: in both.)
Identity
The narcissist keeps referring to others excessively in order to regulate his self-esteem (really, sense of self-worth) and for “self-definition” (to define his identity.) His self-appraisal is exaggerated, whether it is inflated, deflated, or fluctuating between these two poles and his emotional regulation reflects these vacillations.
(Finally, the DSM V accepted what I have been saying for decades: that narcissists can have an “inferiority complex” and feel worthless and bad; that they go through cycles of ups and downs in their self-evaluation; and that this cycling influences their mood and affect).
Self-direction
The narcissist sets goals in order to gain approval from others (narcissistic supply; the DSM V ignores the fact that the narcissist finds disapproval equally rewarding as long as it places him firmly in the limelight.) The narcissist lacks self-awareness as far as his motivation goes (and as far as everything else besides.)
The narcissist’s personal standards and benchmarks are either too high (which supports his grandiosity), or too low (buttresses his sense of entitlement, which is incommensurate with his real-life performance.)
Impairments in interpersonal functioning in either empathy or intimacy (should be: in both.)
Empathy
The narcissist finds it difficult to identify with the emotions and needs of others, but is very attuned to their reactions when they are relevant to himself (cold empathy.) Consequently, he overestimates the effect he has on others or underestimates it (the classic narcissist never underestimates the effect he has on others – but the inverted narcissist does.)
Intimacy
The narcissist’s relationships are self-serving and, therefore shallow and superficial. They are centred around and geared at the regulation of his self-esteem (obtaining narcissistic supply for the regulation of his labile sense of self-worth.)
The narcissist is not “genuinely” interested in his intimate partner’s experiences (implying that he does fake such interest convincingly.) The narcissist emphasizes his need for personal gain (by using the word “need”, the DSM V acknowledges the compulsive and addictive nature of narcissistic supply). These twin fixtures of the narcissist’s relationships render them one-sided: no mutuality or reciprocity (no intimacy).
Pathological personality traits
Antagonism characterized by grandiosity and attention-seeking
Grandiosity
The aforementioned feeling of entitlement. The DSM V adds that it can be either overt or covert (which corresponds to my taxonomy of classic and inverted narcissist.)
Grandiosity is characterized by self-centredness; a firmly-held conviction of superiority (arrogance or haughtiness); and condescending or patronizing attitudes.
Attention-seeking
The narcissist puts inordinate effort, time, and resources into attracting others (sources of narcissistic supply) and placing himself at the focus and centre of attention. He seeks admiration (the DSM V gets it completely wrong here: the narcissist does prefer to be admired and adulated, but, failing that, any kind of attention would do, even if it is negative.)
The diagnostic criteria end with disclaimers and differential diagnoses, which reflect years of accumulated research and newly-gained knowledge:
The above enumerated impairments should be “stable across time and consistent across situations … not better understood as normative for the individual’s developmental stage or socio-cultural environment … are not solely due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., severe head trauma).”
Jacobsen: In correspondence, Christian, you noted three fundamental axes of identity self-concept, defense mechanisms, and type of object relationship. Christian, can you elaborate on these three axes, please? Sam, can you reflect on these proposed axes from within the professional literature and as a leading expert on NPD?
Vaknin: Pathological narcissism is a reaction to prolonged abuse and trauma in early childhood or early adolescence. The source of the abuse or trauma is immaterial – the perpetrators could be parents, teachers, other adults, or peers. Pampering, smothering, spoiling, and “engulfing” the child are also forms of abuse.
Pathological narcissism has been conceptualized successively as an infantile defense mechanism and a disturbance in object relations. Later, it metamorphosed into a personality disorder. I regard it as a post-traumatic condition coupled with arrested development (puer aeternus, Peter pan). Inevitably, such early childhood traumas render attachment in later adult life very dysfunctional, of course. It also gives rise to cognitive deficits such as grandiosity and to the overuse of defense mechanisms such as fantasy. But these are secondary features and not universal.
Jacobsen: Christian, also, you remarked on psychiatry and the phenomenological approach, existentialism, and vitalism. So, Christian, what are the reasons for these intersections with respect to a philosophical approach to analyzing narcissism? Sam, how does philosophy play a fundamental role, or simply a role if at all, in orienting and defining the diagnosis of NPD or simply narcissism with psychology?
Vaknin: It doesn’t. The members of the DSM Committee have no training in philosophy. Psychology pretends counterfactually to be an exact science, at least as much as medicine is. Philosophers are not welcome. Freud was a neurologist and tried to create a physics of the mind (“analysis”). The tradition of experimental psychology now dominates and lab coats are everywhere. There is a very strong strand of anti-intellectualism and anti-philosophy in psychology.
Jacobsen: Some still view mental disorders as some otherworldly phenomenon, as in something spiritual grounded in sin or a disorder of the soul. Why do these supernaturalistic propositions and (non-)explanations continue to persist over time?
Vaknin: Because people are ignorant and feeble-minded, befuddled and fearful, disoriented and at the mercy of psychopathic con artist masquerading as religious leaders, public intellectuals, gurus, mystics, and life coaches with the definitive answers to all their questions immersed in the syrups of love and universal harmony, whatever this nonsense may mean.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let’s focus on narcissism and some of the well-known geniuses in history. Sam, you’re an expert in NPD and narcissism. Before covering narcissism and NPD in relation to genius, defining the term, what are the appropriate criteria for defining and recognizing a genius?
Sam Vaknin: To my mind, a genius is endowed with a synoptic view of ostensibly complex issues, coupled with the ability to make connections between apparently disparate elements so as to induce a reduction of those issues to simplicity. These linkages appear in hindsight to be self-evident and even trivial.
Jacobsen: What defines only someone faking aspects of a genius without truly being a genius, as a contrast definition from the previous question?
Vaknin: Fake geniuses are far more common than real ones. Their work is always derivative and imitative and they tend to amplify complexity rather simplify.
Jacobsen: Would we expect narcissism and NPD more or less in the small populations of geniuses compared to the general population?
Vaknin: True geniuses start off as child prodigies even if their gifts render them socially dysfunctional and retard their personal growth and development. Whether the Wunderkind ends up being a clinical narcissist depends crucially on his or her upbringing. As I said before, pampering, smothering, spoiling, and “engulfing” the child are also forms of potentially traumatic abuse which could result in narcissism. But pathological narcissism should not be confused or conflated with haughtiness and abrasiveness.
Jacobsen: Who – one or more individuals – comes to mind in history and in the modern world who represent a highly narcissistic genius?
Vaknin: It would be far easier and shorter to compile a list of non-narcissistic geniuses.
Jacobsen: Do geniuses exhibit certain traits of narcissism more extremely than others compared to less gifted and less talented narcissists?
Vaknin: Narcissists who are true geniuses are faced with an intractable problem: their grandiosity is fully justified and they are not the recipients of beneficial corrective feedback from their environment. On the contrary: their genius virtually guarantees an uninterruptible loop of positive reinforcement. This virtually guarantees arrogance, defiance, antagonism, and attention seeking behaviors.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: You are a leading expert in Narcissistic Personality Disorder or NPD. What is NPD?
Professor Sam Vaknin: Pathological narcissism is a life-long pattern of traits and behaviours which signify infatuation and obsession with one’s self to the exclusion of all others and the egotistic and ruthless pursuit of one’s gratification, dominance and ambition. As distinct from healthy narcissism which we all possess, pathological narcissism is maladaptive, rigid, persisting, and causes significant distress, and functional impairment.
Jacobsen: What are disorders and syndromes in the orbit of or related to NPD?
Vaknin: All the dramatic (or erratic) personality disorders – also known as cluster B – are closely related. The overlap is so great that two or more of them are often diagnosed in the same person, a phenomenon known as comorbidity. Another problem is the polythetic nature of the DSM: to be diagnosed with a disorder, one must satisfy only a few of its diagnostic criteria. So, we can have two patients with the same diagnosis, but utterly different traits and behaviors. NPD is also often comorbid with mood disorders, anxiety disorders, and substance abuse or other addictions.
Jacobsen: What is the typical emotional age of someone diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder?
Vaknin: Between 4 and 11, with a median of 6.
Jacobsen: What does this emotional age mean for individuals who are chronologically in their 20s, 30s, 40s, and beyond with formal NPD? How does this impact their life trajectory?
Vaknin: Such eternal adolescents (Puer Aeternus or Peter Pan) – children really – refuse to accept adult responsibilities and chores and to commit themselves to anything or anyone. They are ludic (like to play), self-centred, defiant, impulsive, immature both cognitively and emotionally, incapable of deciphering social and sexual cues, not fully differentiated as far as their gender and psychosexuality, lack impulse control, foresight, and the ability to delay gratification, are reckless, and suffer from identity diffusion (shifting values, allegiances, opinions, plans, even memories). They are highly dissociative and confabulate to make up for the time lost. Many suffer from addictions. They are not goal-oriented and both the level of organization of their personality and their self-efficacy are low.
Jacobsen: You have commented on giftedness and narcissists. Not all gifted people are narcissists; not all narcissists are gifted. However, when gifted people are narcissists, or vice versa, how does this impact the life of a child in interpersonal relations with peers and teachers, and when girl-girl, boy-boy, or girl-boy time in adolescence?
Vaknin: The prodigy – the precocious “genius” – feels entitled to special treatment. Yet, he rarely gets it. This frustrates him and renders him even more aggressive, driven, and overachieving than he is by nature.
As Horney pointed out, the child-prodigy is dehumanised and instrumentalised. His parents love him not for what he really is – but for what they wish and imagine him to be: the fulfilment of their dreams and frustrated wishes. The child becomes the vessel of his parents’ discontented lives, a tool, the magic brush with which they can transform their failures into successes, their humiliation into victory, their frustrations into happiness.
The child is taught to ignore reality and to occupy the parental fantastic space. Such an unfortunate child feels omnipotent and omniscient, perfect and brilliant, worthy of adoration and entitled to special treatment. The faculties that are honed by constantly brushing against bruising reality – empathy, compassion, a realistic assessment of one’s abilities and limitations, realistic expectations of oneself and of others, personal boundaries, team work, social skills, perseverance and goal-orientation, not to mention the ability to postpone gratification and to work hard to achieve it – are all lacking or missing altogether.
The child turned adult sees no reason to invest in his skills and education, convinced that his inherent genius should suffice. He feels entitled for merely being, rather than for actually doing (rather as the nobility in days gone by felt entitled not by virtue of its merit but as the inevitable, foreordained outcome of its birth right). In other words, he is not meritocratic – but aristocratic. In short: a narcissist is born.
Not all precocious prodigies end up under-accomplished and petulant. Many of them go on to attain great stature in their communities and great standing in their professions. But, even then, the gap between the kind of treatment they believe that they deserve and the one they are getting is unbridgeable.
This is because narcissistic prodigies often misjudge the extent and importance of their accomplishments and, as a result, erroneously consider themselves to be indispensable and worthy of special rights, perks, and privileges. When they find out otherwise, they are devastated and furious.
Moreover, people are envious of the prodigy. The genius serves as a constant reminder to others of their mediocrity, lack of creativity, and mundane existence. Naturally, they try to “bring him down to their level” and “cut him down to size”. The gifted person’s haughtiness and high-handedness only exacerbate his strained relationships.
In a way, merely by existing, the prodigy inflicts constant and repeated narcissistic injuries on the less endowed and the pedestrian. This creates a vicious cycle. People try to hurt and harm the overweening and arrogant genius and he becomes defensive, aggressive, and aloof. This renders him even more obnoxious than before and others resent him more deeply and more thoroughly. Hurt and wounded, he retreats into fantasies of grandeur and revenge. And the cycle re-commences.
Prone to shortcuts and to shallowness, the narcissist always feels like a fraud, even when his accomplishments are commensurate with his grandiose fantasies.
This all-pervasive conviction serves several paradoxical psychodynamic functions: it supports the narcissist’s sense of omnipotent superiority (as he is able to deceive everyone into believing his tall tales all the time); it justifies his profound belief that everyone, like him, is just pretending to knowledge and skills that they do not possess (otherwise they would have spotted and exposed him long ago); it gives him licence to indulge his intellectual laziness and emotional absence (he gets by without investing too much, so why bother); and it constantly generates the adrenaline rush that he is so addicted to (the tantalizing fear of being outed as the con-artist that he truly is.)
Recent studies seem to indicate that prodigies grow up to become narcissistic under-achievers.
Fields like literature require maturity and life experience. Prodigies, no matter how gifted, rarely possess the requisite emotional spectrum, an acquaintance with the nuances and subtleties of human relationships, or the accumulated knowledge that comes from first-hand exposure to the ups and downs of reality.
In contrast, the manipulation of symbols – in mathematics, music, or chess – does not require anything except the proper neurological “hardware and software” and access to widely available objective knowledge.
In a way, prodigies can be compared to computers: both excel in symbol manipulation and fail to impress in other, more fuzzy undertakings.
Precocious prodigies seem to be a culture-bound phenomenon. There are far fewer “gifted” children in the collectivist societies of Asia and Africa, for instance. Based as they are on statistical comparisons and ranking, Western IQ tests reflect the values of competition and individualism. Ipso facto, prodigies proliferate in rich, white, developed countries, and not in the poorer ambiences of the Third World, the inner cities, and minority communities.
Still, if you study the biographies of hundreds of men and (the far fewer) women who started life as Wunderkinder, you will find that many of them actually hailed from underprivileged backgrounds, replete with indigence, familial dysfunction, racial or other discrimination, and other forms of deprivation.
Thus, one would do well to distinguish between two types of prodigies: the pampered, cosseted, tutored, often narcissistic type versus the prodigy whose excellence is the only way of fleeing the miserableness of his or her circumstances. The second type of gifted youngster leverages what endowments he possesses to extricate himself from his destitute surroundings and restore hope to an otherwise bleak existence.
The child prodigy compensates with grandiose, fantastic, and inflated self-efficacy (“I can do anything if I just apply myself to it”) for a deficient sense of agency (“the life I am living is not mine”). The child prodigy suppresses his true self because his parents’s love is conditioned on the performance of a false self.
Consequently, the child feels that her life has been hijacked. She makes up for it by excelling and becoming proficient at what she does thus regaining a modicum of mastery and control, however illusory. Such attempts to carve out a parent-free enclave or niche often lead to pathologies such as eating disorders or substance abuse.
As an adult, the child prodigy becomes narcissistic, defiant, self-destructive, and manipulative. She adopts one of several narratives: 1. I am the sleeping beauty princess in need of saving from my monstrous tormentors (codependent) or 2. I am the Law and no one will tell me what to do and how to do it, I know best and one day I will shine again (antisocial-narcissistic) or 3. The world doesn’t deserve me and is too hostile, so I withdraw from it (paranoid-schizoid) or 4. I am broken, unfixable, and so free to act any which way (entitled-borderline).
Jacobsen: When individuals with NPD marry someone, if at all, what is the divorce rate of these marriages?
Vaknin: We have no statistics. But, paradoxically, trauma bonding and the shared fantasy in these marriages and the narcissist’s propensity to threaten and blackmail his intimate partner into submission would tend to reduce the divorce rates, not increase it.
Jacobsen: What happens with a gifted narcissist who, finally, hits a limit of their talents, e.g., in university, and then the reality of having to work hard, develop study habits, etc., hits home for them? Their false self hits the real world and does not have the emotional tools to deal with the hurt to their false self.
Vaknin: Allow me a quote: His genius was betrayed by lofty and indomitable traits of character which could not yield or compromise. And so his life was a tragedy of inconsequence.” (The poetess Harriet Monroe, quoted in the book “The Devil in White City” by Erik Larson)
You are asking if pathological narcissism is a positive adaptation, if it is a blessing or a malediction?
The answer is: it depends. Healthy narcissism is a mature, balanced love of oneself coupled with a stable sense of self-worth and self-esteem. Healthy narcissism implies knowledge of one’s boundaries and a proportionate and realistic appraisal of one’s achievements and traits.
Pathological narcissism is wrongly described as too much healthy narcissism (or too much self-esteem). These are two absolutely unrelated phenomena which, regrettably, came to bear the same title. Confusing pathological narcissism with self- esteem betrays a fundamental ignorance of both.
Pathological narcissism involves an impaired, dysfunctional, immature (True) Self coupled with a compensatory fiction (the False Self). The sick narcissist’s sense of self-worth and self-esteem derive entirely from audience feedback. The narcissist has no self-esteem or self-worth of his own (no such ego functions). In the absence of observers, the narcissist shrivels to non-existence and feels dead. Hence the narcissist’s preying habits in his constant pursuit of Narcissistic Supply. Pathological narcissism is an addictive behavior.
Still, dysfunctions are reactions to abnormal environments and situations (e.g., abuse, trauma, smothering, etc.).
Paradoxically, his dysfunction allows the narcissist to function. It compensates for lacks and deficiencies by exaggerating tendencies and traits. It is like the tactile sense of a blind person. In short: pathological narcissism is a result of over-sensitivity, the repression of overwhelming memories and experiences, and the suppression of inordinately strong negative feelings (e.g., hurt, envy, anger, or humiliation).
That the narcissist functions at all – is because of his pathology and thanks to it. The alternative is complete decompensation and disintegration.
In time, the narcissist learns how to leverage his pathology, how to use it to his advantage, how to deploy it in order to maximize benefits and utilities – in other words, how to transform his curse into a blessing.
Narcissists are obsessed by delusions of fantastic grandeur and superiority. As a result they are very competitive. They are strongly compelled – where others are merely motivated. They are driven, relentless, tireless, and ruthless. They often make it to the top. But even when they do not – they strive and fight and learn and climb and create and think and devise and design and conspire. Faced with a challenge – they are likely to do better than non-narcissists.
Yet, we often find that narcissists abandon their efforts in mid-stream, give up, vanish, lose interest, devalue former pursuits, fail, or slump. Why is that?
Narcissists are prone to self-defeating and self-destructive behaviors.
The Self-Punishing, Guilt-Purging Behaviors
These are intended to inflict punishment on the narcissist and thus instantly relieve him of his overwhelming anxiety.
This is very reminiscent of a compulsive-ritualistic behavior. The narcissist feels guilty. It could be an “ancient” guilt, a “sexual” guilt (Freud), or a “social” guilt. In early life, the narcissist internalized and introjected the voices of meaningful and authoritative others – parents, role models, peers – that consistently and convincingly judged him to be no good, blameworthy, deserving of punishment or retaliation, or corrupt.
The narcissist’s life is thus transformed into an on-going trial. The constancy of this trial, the never adjourning tribunal is the punishment. It is a Kafkaesque “trial”: meaningless, undecipherable, never-ending, leading to no verdict, subject to mysterious and fluid laws and presided over by capricious judges.
Such a narcissist masochistically frustrates his deepest desires and drives, obstructs his own efforts, alienates his friends and sponsors, provokes figures in authority to punish, demote, or ignore him, actively seeks and solicits disappointment, failure, or mistreatment and relishes them, incites anger or rejection, bypasses or rejects opportunities, or engages in excessive self-sacrifice.
In their book “Personality Disorders in Modern Life”, Theodore Millon and Roger Davis, describe the diagnosis of “Masochistic or Self-Defeating Personality Disorder”, found in the appendix of the DSM III-R but excluded from the DSM IV. While the narcissist is rarely a full-fledged masochist, many a narcissist exhibit some of the traits of this personality disorder.
The Extracting Behaviors
People with Personality Disorders (PDs) are very afraid of real, mature, intimacy. Intimacy is formed not only within a couple, but also in a workplace, in a neighborhood, with friends, while collaborating on a project. Intimacy is another word for emotional involvement, which is the result of interactions in constant and predictable (safe) propinquity.
PDs interpret intimacy as counter-dependence, emotional strangulation, the snuffing of freedom, a kind of death in installments. They are terrorized by it. To avoid it, their self-destructive and self-defeating acts are intended to dismantle the very foundation of a successful relationship, a career, a project, or a friendship. Narcissists feel elated and relieved after they unshackle these “chains”. They feel they broke a siege, that they are liberated, free at last.
The Default Behaviors
We are all, to some degree, inertial, afraid of new situations, new opportunities, new challenges, new circumstances and new demands. Being healthy, being successful, getting married, becoming a mother, or someone’s boss – often entail abrupt breaks with the past. Some self-defeating behaviors are intended to preserve the past, to restore it, to protect it from the winds of change, to self-deceptively skirt promising opportunities while seeming to embrace them.
Moreover, to the narcissist, a challenge, or even a guaranteed eventual triumph, are meaningless in the absence of onlookers. The narcissist needs an audience to applaud, affirm, recoil, approve, admire, adore, fear, or even detest him. He craves the attention and depends on the Narcissistic Supply only others can provide. The narcissist derives sustenance only from the outside – his emotional innards are hollow and moribund.
The narcissist’s enhanced performance is predicated on the existence of a challenge (real or imaginary) and of an audience. Baumeister usefully re-affirmed this linkage, known to theoreticians since Freud.
But, we are well-advised to make a distinction between high-functioning narcissists whose personality is highly organized and low-functioning narcissist who often end up being failures and losers
Narcissists are low-functioning (with a disorganized personality), high-functioning, or dysfunctional (usually when the patient’s narcissism is comorbid with other mental health problems.) High-functioning narcissists are indistinguishable from driven and ambitious alpha over-achievers. But even they tend to implode and self-destruct. Low-functioning narcissists are antisocial, sometimes schizoid, and beset by disorders of mood and affect.
Three traits conspire to render the low-functioning narcissist a failure and a loser: his sense of entitlement, his haughtiness and innate conviction of his own superiority, and his aversion to routine.
The narcissist’s sense of entitlement encourages his indolence. He firmly believes that he should be spoon-fed and that accomplishments and honors should be handed to him on a silver platter, without any commensurate effort on his part. His mere existence justifies such exceptional treatment. Many narcissists are under-qualified and lack skills because they can’t be bothered with the minutia of obtaining an academic degree, professional training, or exams.
The narcissist’s arrogance and belief that he is superior to others, whom he typically holds in contempt – in other words: the narcissist’s grandiose fantasies – hamper his ability to function in society. The cumulative outcomes of this social dysfunction gradually transform him into a recluse and an outcast. He is shunned by colleagues, employers, neighbors, erstwhile friends, and, finally, even by long-suffering family members who tire of his tirades and rants.
Unable to work in a team, to compromise, to give credit where due, and to strive towards long-term goals, the narcissist – skilled and gifted as he may be – finds himself unemployed and unemployable, his bad reputation preceding him.
Even when offered a job or a business opportunity, the narcissist recoils, bolts, and obstructs each and every stage of the negotiations or the transaction.
But this passive-aggressive (negativistic and masochistic) conduct has nothing to do with the narcissist’s aforementioned indolence. The narcissist is not afraid of some forms of hard work. He invests inordinate amounts of energy, forethought, planning, zest, and sweat in securing narcissistic supply, for instance.
The narcissist’s sabotage of new employment or business prospects is owing to his abhorrence of routine. Narcissists feel trapped, shackled, and enslaved by the quotidian, by the repetitive tasks that are inevitably involved in fulfilling one’s assignments. They hate the methodical, step-by-step, long-term, approach. Possessed of magical thinking, they’d rather wait for miracles to happen. Jobs, business deals, and teamwork require perseverance and tolerance of boredom which the narcissist sorely lacks.
Life forces most narcissists into the hard slog of a steady job (or succession of jobs). Such “unfortunate” narcissists, coerced into a framework they resent, are likely to act out and erupt in a series of self-destructive and self-defeating acts (see above).
But there are other narcissists, the “luckier” ones, those who can afford not to work. They laze about, indulge themselves in a variety of idle and trivial pursuits, seek entertainment and thrills wherever and whenever they can, and while their lives away, at once content and bitter: content with their lifestyle and the minimum demands it imposes on them and bitter because they haven’t achieved more, they haven’t reached the pinnacle or their profession, they haven’t become as rich or famous or powerful as they deserve to be.
We all try to replicate and re-enact our successes. We feel comfortable and confident doing what we do best and what we do most often. We enshrine our oft-repeated tasks and our cumulative experiences as habits.
Asked to adopt new skills and confront unprecedented tasks, we recoil, procrastinate, or delegate (read: pass the buck). Performance anxiety is common.
Someone who keeps failing is rendered very good at it, he becomes adept at the art of floundering, an expert on fizzle and blunder, an artist of the slip. The more dismal the defeats, the more familiar the terrain of losses and botched attempts. Failure is the loser’s comfort zone. He uses projective identification to coerce people around him to help him revert to form: to fail.
Such a loser will aim to recreate time and again his only accomplishment: his spectacular downfalls, thwarted schemes, and harebrained stratagems. A slave to a repetition compulsion, the loser finds the terra incognita of success intimidating. He wraps his precious aborted flops in a mantle of an ideology: success is an evil, all successful people are crooks or the beneficiaries of quirky fortune.
To the loser, his miscarriages and deterioration are a warm blanket underneath which he hides himself from a hostile world. Failure is a powerful and addictive organizing principle which imbues life with meaning and predictability and allows the loser to make sense of his personal history. Being a loser is an identity and losers are proud of it as they recount with wonder their mishaps, misfortune, and vicissitudes.
Why do some narcissists appear to be bumbling fools, never mind how intelligent they actually are? Eight reasons:
1. No impulse control, no forethought, no foresight = counterproductive, self-defeating, and self-destructive decisions and actions.
2. Acting out: when narcissistic supply is deficient, narcissists decompensate and go haywire (see: collapsed narcissists).
3. Pseudo-stupidity: to avoid the consequences of their misdeeds, narcissists pretend that they have misunderstood something you have said or done or that you took advantage of their good nature.
4. Gullibility: narcissists are grandiose and fantasts, so they misjudge reality (impaired reality test), their skills and limitations, and the intentions of others.
5. No empathy means that the narcissist disastrously misreads others and behaves in socially unacceptable and clownish ways.
6. His sense of entitlement renders the narcissist an overweening buffoon, the butt of mockery and derision, rather than the awe he believes that he inspires and the respect he thinks that he deserves.
7. Hypervigilance leads to disproportionate aggression directed at imaginary slights and to persecutory delusions: paranoid ideation often directed at innocent targets.
8. Finally, the narcissist uses false modesty to fish for compliments. But his attempts are so transparent and inarticulate, so fake and manipulative that people react with repulsion and seek to humiliate him.
Jacobsen: Why does NPD happen more in men and Borderline Personality Disorder happen more in women?
Vaknin: Ever since Freud, more women than men sought therapy. Consequently, terms like “hysteria’ are intimately connected to female physiology and alleged female psychology. The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, the bible of the psychiatric profession) expressly professes gender bias: personality disorders such as Borderline and Histrionic are supposed to be more common among women. but the DSM is rather even-handed: other personality disorders (e.g., the Narcissistic and Antisocial as well as the Schizotypal, Obsessive-Compulsive, Schizoid, and Paranoid) are more prevalent among men.
Why this gender disparity? There are a few possible answers:
Maybe personality disorders are not objective clinical entities, but culture-bound syndromes. In other words, perhaps they reflect biases and value judgments. Some patriarchal societies are also narcissistic. They emphasize qualities such as individualism and ambition, often identified with virility. Hence the preponderance of pathological narcissism among men. Women, on the other hand, are widely believed to be emotionally labile and clinging. This is why most Borderlines and Dependents are females.
Upbringing and environment, the process of socialization and cultural mores all play an important role in the pathogenesis of personality disorders. These views are not fringe: serious scholars (e.g., Kaplan and Pantony, 1991) claim that the mental health profession is inherently sexist.
Then again, genetics may be is at work. Men and women do differ genetically. This may account for the variability of the occurrence of specific personality disorders in men and women.
Some of the diagnostic criteria are ambiguous or even considered “normal” by the majority of the population. Histrionics “consistently use physical appearance to draw attention to self.” Well, who doesn’t in Western society? Why when a woman clings to a man it is labelled “codependence”, but when a man relies on a woman to maintain his home, take care of his children, choose his attire, and prop his ego it is “companionship” (Walker, 1994)?
The less structured the interview and the more fuzzy the diagnostic criteria, the more the diagnostician relies on stereotypes (Widiger, 1998).
Jacobsen: As a foremost expert on NPD, what have been the novel contributions to the field by you?
Vaknin: I started my work in this then obscure field in 1995. I had to coin a whole new language, a glossary of neologisms and terms adapted from other branches of psychology in order to describe my observations and studies. Most of the terms and phrases in use today can be traced back to my pioneering efforts (including the ubiquitous “narcissistic abuse”). My website – with well over 2000 articles – was the only one dedicated to the subject until 2004 and I ran all the online support groups for victims of narcissistic abuse until that year. I want to believe that there is no aspect of our current understanding of narcissistic disorders of the self that does not bear my stamp and signature. I am still innovating: “cold empathy”, “collapsed histrionic”, “covert borderline”, “flat attachment” and dozens of other new concepts. I also came up with a new treatment modality, “Cold Therapy”, that shows promise in our attempts to reverse NPD and major depression. I have been teaching all these things for 5 years now to generations of students in several countries. Parallel with that, I am helping to revive a theory in physics that I came up with in 1982-4 and which is gaining mainstream currency now and I contribute to diverse fields such as economics and philosophy. Keeping busy.
Jacobsen: What differentiates work set forth by qualified self-help experts, self-styled self-help ‘experts’ (poorly trained, even badly self-trained), and qualified non-self-help experts/certified academic-oriented experts in the area of NPD research and public presentation of theories and empirics?
Vaknin: There are very few true experts and scholars in this relatively new and embryonic field and not one of them is accessible online. The overwhelming majority of the self-styled “experts” online are charlatans and worse. They spew dangerous and misleading nonsense and capitalize on the victims’s plight. I have never charged a cent for my work: it has all been available online at no charge since 1995. The only thing I charge for is my time. The rest is free: books, videos, papers, articles, everything. Whatever I make available is based on decades of in-depth research into the literature and an experience of 25 years, triple that of anyone else.
Jacobsen: So, the Mayo Clinic Staff in “Narcissistic personality disorder” list some of the attributes of NPD:
· Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
· Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
· Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
· Exaggerate achievements and talents
· Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
· Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
· Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
· Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
· Take advantage of others to get what they want
· Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
· Be envious of others and believe others envy them
· Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
· Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office
How accurate is this listing? The Mayo Clinic is pretty darn good on most stuff, I assume. Does this differ from the DSM-V or align with it?
Vaknin: This text merely paraphrases the diagnostic criteria listed in the DSM IV-TR without adding a single thing or insight to them and without adapting the language – first published in 2000 – to the most recent advances in the field. Here is a modified version of my own:
- Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognised as superior without commensurate achievements);
- Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;
- Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);
- Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation – or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply);
- Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her unreasonable expectations for special and favourable priority treatment;
- Is “interpersonally exploitative”, i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;
- Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;
- Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration. Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions as he or she believes that they feel the same about him or her and are likely to act similarly;
- Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, “above the law”, and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy.
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1. Interview about Genius and Insanity (News Intervention)
Current Biography: Prof. Shmuel “Sam” Vaknin (YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Amazon, LinkedIn, Google Scholar) is the author of Malignant Self-love: Narcissism Revisited (Amazon) and After the Rain: How the West Lost the East (Amazon) as well as many other books and ebooks about topics in psychology, relationships, philosophy, economics, international affairs, and award-winning short fiction. He was Senior Business Correspondent for United Press International (February, 2001 – April, 2003), CEO of Narcissus Publications (April, 1997 – April 2013), Editor-in-Chief of Global Politician (January, 2011 -), a columnist for PopMatters, eBookWeb, Bellaonline, and Central Europe Review, an editor for The Open Directory and Suite101 (Categories: Mental Health and Central East Europe), and a contributor to Middle East Times, a contributing writer to The American Chronicle Media Group, Columnist and Analyst for Nova Makedonija, Fokus, and Kapital, Founding Analyst of The Analyst Network, former president of the Israeli chapter of the Unification Church‘s Professors for World Peace Academy, and served in the Israeli Defense Forces (1979-1982). He has been awarded Israel’s Council of Culture and Art Prize for Maiden Prose (1997), The Rotary Club Award for Social Studies (1976), and the Bilateral Relations Studies Award of the American Embassy in Israel (1978), among other awards. He is Visiting Professor of Psychology, Southern Federal University, Rostov-on-Don, Russia (September, 2017 to present), Professor of Finance and Psychology in SIAS-CIAPS (Centre for International Advanced and Professional Studies) (April, 2012 to present), a Senior Correspondent for New York Daily Sun (January, 2015 – Present), and Columnist for Allied Newspapers Group (January, 2015 – Present). He lives in Skopje, North Macedonia with his wife, Lidija Rangelovska. Here we talk about genius and insanity.
*Previous interviews listed chronologically after interview.*
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Delusions remain ubiquitous. Delusions in conspiracy theories found in 5G, backmasking, Big Pharma, chemtrails, free energy suppression, Holocaust denial, New World Order-ism, QAnon, and so on. Delusions formalized in cults. Delusions in religious discourse, organization, and practice. Delusions promoted in quack ‘medicine’ with acupuncture, alternative ‘medicine,’ anti-GMO movements, anti-vaccination activism, aromatherapy, chiropractory, conversion therapy, faith healing, homeopathy, naturopathy, psychic surgery, Reiki, reflexology, traditional Chinese medicine, and such. Delusions in anti-intellectualism with creation ‘science’ (e.g., the variants of Creationism and Intelligent Design), global warming denialism or even alarmism in some respects, God of the gaps-ism, ‘holy’ text literalism, homeschooling, paranormalism, quantum woo, und so weiter. Delusions in bigotries and prejudices including anti-Semitism, or racist ideologies bound to politics or religion (e.g., white supremacist KKK, black supremacist Nation of Islam, and the like). Delusions in social and political cure-alls for societies’ ills – panaceas, e.g., American commitments to the idea of every problem having a solution. Then there are those who took a permanent lift-off from terra firma and detached from reality altogether, e.g., or a case study, the person running the “Sam Vaknin Scum Antichrist” YouTube channel – an apparent idiotic crazy (read: demented screwball) person. You know the deal. We’re on the same page in the identical book here. There’s a thin line, as has been observed before, between true genius and real insanity. What factors set the distinctions between insanity, on the one hand, and genius, on the other?
Prof. Shmuel “Sam” Vaknin:
The problem is that both madness and genius involve the ability to reframe reality in an unexpected way (i.e., provide insight) either by gaining a synoptic or interdisciplinary vantage point – or by radically departing from hidden underlying assumptions.
The scientific method is designed to tell the two apart by applying the test of falsifiable predictions. Both madness and genius are theories of the world and of the mind and, like every other type of theory, they yield predictions which can then be tested and falsified.
Most of the predictions yielded by insanity are easily and instantly falsifiable. Most of the predictions garnered by genius hold water for long stretches of time and, even when falsified, it is only in private cases or in extreme conditions. Thus, the theories of relativity falsify Newtonian prediction only on vast scales with incredible energies.
Jacobsen: What are the easiest means by which to distinguish a genius from an insane person?
Vaknin:
Psychopathology is rigid. It is unyielding, not amenable to learning, nauseatingly repetitive, constricting, and divorced from reality (impaired reality testing). The genius is immersed in the world even if he is a recluse, he learns and evolves all the time, his mind is kaleidoscopic and vibrant, ever expanding. Insanity is mummified, genius is life reified.
Jacobsen: Is high intelligence required for true genius?
Vaknin:
If by intelligence you mean IQ then the answer is a resounding no. The adage about perspiration and inspiration applies. But, more importantly, genius is the ability to see familiar things in a fresh, unprecedented way. Imagination, intuition, and the ability to tell apart the critical from the tangential are the core constituents of genius – not intelligence.
What intelligence does contribute to genius is alacrity. It is a catalyst. It speeds up both the processes of theorizing and of discovery.
Jacobsen: What happens to an insane person who happens to have high intelligence too?
Vaknin:
He is likely to construct theories that will pass for genius, especially among laymen. The intelligence of the gifted madman serves to camouflage the lack of rigor and the delusional, counterfactual content of his creations. Rather than catalyze disruptive discoveries, his intellect works overtime at the service of aggressively defending a manifestly risible sleight of hand. It is not open to any modificatory feedback from the environment. The madman’s intellect is solipsistic and moribund.
Jacobsen: What happens in the mind of a genius who slowly deteriorates into an insane person?
Vaknin:
He visibly transitions from cognitive flexibility to defensive and hypervigilant rigidity (confirmation bias). His work becomes way more easily falsifiable, sometimes even with mere Gedankenexperiments. He repeats himself ad nauseam. He becomes grandiose (cognitively distorts reality to buttress an inflated and fantastic self-image).
Jacobsen: How do fake geniuses cover for their lack of insight, ingenuity, intelligence, etc.?
Vaknin:
They copy and plagiarize. They imitate a real genius’s structured thinking and work. They are good at promoting themselves and getting credit where none is due. Most of these frauds are actually intelligent, but dark personalities (subclinical narcissists, subsclinical psychopa
Jacobsen: Is true genius more inborn, innate, native to the individual or more honed, refined, developed extrinsically?
Vaknin:
We know that IQ is responsive to environmental stimuli. The analytic kind genius (IQ above 140 or 160) is by far the most studied because it is the most facilely measurable. There are no studies that rigorously link it to heredity. On balance, anecdotal evidence clearly suggests that genius is acquired and can be inculcated at an early age if the child is subjected to rigorous training and a regime of positive and negative reinforcements.
It would behoove us to make a distinction between polymath or synoptic genius and “idiot savant” type of one-track mental acuity (think “Rain Man”). The latter form definitely is neurological and, probably, with a pronounced genetic contribution.
Jacobsen: Some mental disorders, including schizophrenia, appear mostly heritable. Is it the same for various states of insanity in general?
Vaknin:
We don’t know enough, not by a long shot. Certain mental illnesses present with structural and functional abnormalities of the brain that are very likely to be genetically coded for: schizophrenia or Bipolar Disorder. Other mental health issues run in families, so a genetic component is indicated: Borderline Personality Disorder and psychopathy, for instance.
Jacobsen: Which five individuals seem like true geniuses in the modern world to you? I do not mean rich, famous, well-cited, and the like; even though, they may be rich, famous, or well-cited, etc., as a consequence of successful implementation of aspects of their genius.
Vaknin:
Versatile polymaths included Einstein (of course), Richard Feynman (see my interview on Chronon Field Theory), Noam Chomsky, George Steiner (whom I had the pleasure of knowing), and Adolf Hitler (who regrettably turned his considerable gifts to the dark side).
Jacobsen: Do you consider yourself a genius?
Vaknin: Yes.
Shoshannim: Thank you, once again, for your time and the opportunity, Prof. Vaknin.
Vaknin: OK, Shoshanim!
“Prof. Sam Vaknin on Narcissism in General”
(News Intervention: January 28, 2022)
“Prof. Sam Vaknin on Cold Therapy (New Treatment Modality)”
(News Intervention: January 30, 2022)
“Prof. Sam Vaknin on Giftedness and IQ”
(News Intervention: February 2, 2022)
“Prof. Sam Vaknin on Religion”
(News Intervention: February 11, 2022)
“Prof. Sam Vaknin on Science and Reality”
(News Intervention: April 30, 2022)
“Prof. Sam Vaknin on the Gender Wars”
(News Intervention: May 21, 2022)
“Prof. Sam Vaknin on Psychological Growth”
(News Intervention: May 24, 2022)
“Prof. Sam Vaknin on Structure, Function, Society, and Survival”
(News Intervention: May 26, 2022)
“Prof. Vaknin on Chronon Field Theory and Time Asymmetry”
(News Intervention: May 28, 2022)
Previous Interviews Read by Prof. Vaknin (Hyperlinks Active for Titles)
“How to Become the REAL YOU (Interview, News Intervention)”
(Prof. Sam Vaknin: January 26, 2022)
“Insider View on Narcissism: What Makes Narcissist Tick (News Intervention)”
(Prof. Sam Vaknin: January 29, 2022)
“Curing Your Narcissist (News Intervention Interview)”
(Prof. Sam Vaknin: January 31, 2022)
“Genius or Gifted? IQ and Beyond (News Intervention Interview)”
(Prof. Sam Vaknin: February 3, 2022)
“Thrive: Your Future Path to Growth and Change (News Intervention Interview)”
Prof. Sam Vaknin: May 25, 2022)
2. Interview about Freedom of Expression (News Intervention)
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Freedom of expression is a paper right in most places of the world. It is listed in international rights documents and in national constitutions. Yet, one could ask, “What is the ‘free’ part of freedom of expression?” It depends on the society and the culture, and the person. So, to open this session, what is a proper framing of rights, responsibilities, obligations, and privileges in societies, i.e., an accurate frame or definition to ground practice of free expression?
Prof. Shmuel “Sam” Vaknin:
Freedom of expression, including freedom of speech and freedom of the press, is a feature of individualistic societies. Where collectivism reigns, this amalgam of rights is subordinated to the greater good.
Ironically, utilitarianism inexorably leads to limitations on these freedoms intended to protect the majority against the incursions of disruptive or even destructive minorities.
Yet, even in anarchic polities, freedom of expression cannot be abused to spread panic (crying fire in a crowded theatre), life threatening misinformation (re: the COVID-19 pandemic), or to threaten the wellbeing and lives of others (e.g., virulent racism, or calls for eugenic culling, or victimization). Only anomic civilizations in decadent decline countenance such toxic speech acts.
Jacobsen: Which countries and parts of the world seem the freest regarding freedom of expression?
Vaknin:
It is a surprisingly mixed bag including perennials like Denmark and Finland, but also surprises like Argentina and Slovakia.
But freedom – all freedoms – are on the decline everywhere, besieged by populism, profound mistrust of authority and of expertise, anti-intellectualism, anti-elitism, anti-liberalism (anti-“progressivism”), and the dominance of rapid dissemination technologies such as social media.
Ochlocracies (mob rule) are regaining ground all over the world, led by authoritarian, proudly ignorant, and defiantly contumacious and reactant narcissistic-psychopathic leaders.
Jacobsen: Which nations and regions of the world seem the least free regarding freedom of expression?
Vaknin:
Again, the rankings are counterintuitive. Canada, for example, is less free than Uruguay and the USA is languishing with Peru somewhere at the bottom of the upper third.
Jacobsen: How did (and does) the internet change freedom of expression or the access to free exchange of words, ideas, and philosophies, or simply disjointed randomly emoted thoughts?
Vaknin:
In the internet age, the distinction between raw information and knowledge (structured data) is lost. The internet is a huge dumping ground for half-baked truths, rank nonsense, misinformation, propaganda, hate speech, speculation, and outright derangement. Even where vetted and reliable information is available, it is unprocessed and out of context.
No single technology has harmed free expression more than the internet. It has created a problem of discoverability (locating quality content in a sempiternal tsunami of trash) and allowed mobs to form and to ominously suppress speech by sheer force of numbers (the cancel culture is the latest example of such transgressions).
All semblance of civilized, informed speech is now lost even in academe. Social media were deliberately constructed by engineers and turncoat psychologists to polarize aggressive speech and cement confirmation bias (silos of like-minded people in echo chambers).
Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, is this net good or net bad?
Vaknin:
Bad by a long shot.
https://videotranscripts.dk/ (Transcripts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpvv_ooqJik (The True Toxicity of Social Media)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY79nDYjW94 (Malignant Egalitarianism)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvuRmP3KP1g (The Need to Be Seen)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgjOH0kDErw (A-social Media: Fracking Mankind)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVprI6_P8GE (Plugged-in Documentary)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2rKrWNWkS0 (How to Fix Social Media)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIElARjRGTo (Social Media as the Big Eye)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NTwxAJDMTo (Metaverse: Conspiracy or Heaven?
Jacobsen: One camp will claim complete freedom of expression in social media will be a net good because the liars and defamers will be overwhelmed by more reasonable voices and evidence. Another camp thinks there should be sharp restrictions on particular types of speech, electronic communication, and so on. Those are two big ones. A third believes in outlawing social media altogether, so stringently binding or making illegal social media for some people if not most or all. It’d be similar to acquisition of a firearm in much of the world, getting a driver’s license, qualifying as a surgeon or an accountant, and such. You have commented on this. With social media, what should be done for or against freedom of expression, if anything?
Vaknin:
Social media are utilities and should be subjected to the same regulatory oversights that other media and monopolistic utilities are under.
Additionally, owing to the addictive nature of social media, laws should be passed to restrict their use and to monitor the content posted on them.
Self-regulation is a myth on Wall Street as it is in tech valleys around the globe. Where money rears its head, morality and restraint and the public interest go out of the window.
Crowdsourced regulation is the dumbest idea ever. Majorities are forever silent and conflict-averse. Ask the misnamed Mensheviks who were actually the overwhelming majority and yielded to the equally mislabeled Bolsheviks who were more ruthless and vociferous and better mobilized.
Jacobsen: What does social media and internet use do in mild use and in chronic use to the mental health of individuals and groups?
Vaknin:
The evidence is unequivocal (see the studies by Twenge et al.): the more extensive the exposure to screens, the longer the screentime, the higher the prevalence and incidence of anxiety and depressive disorders, especially among the young (under 25) and among seniors over 65. There is no such thing as “mild” or “moderate” use: the effects commence at the first moment of use.
Jacobsen: What do trends of expression and outcomes among users of social media tell us about individual psychology and mass psychology, and social media in general?
Vaknin:
By far the biggest problem social media use has fostered is what I call “malignant egalitarianism”.
Malignant egalitarianism is threatening our existence as a species. Until about 10 years ago, people – even narcissists – had role models they sought to learn from and emulate and ideals which they aspired to.
Today, everyone – never mind how unintelligent, ignorant, or unaccomplished – claim superiority or at least equality to everyone else.
Armed with egalitarian equal access technology like social media, everyone virulently detest and seek to destroy or reduce to their level their betters and that which they cannot attain or equal.
Pathological envy (egged on by instruments of relative positioning such as “likes”) had fully substituted for learning and self-improvement. Experts, scholars, and intellectuals are scorned and threatened. Everyone is an instant polymath and an ersatz da Vinci.
But, this is just one of many vile side effects and byproducts of social media. Watch my videos on the topic (see links above).
Jacobsen: How will the Metaverse, and associated developments, in the 2030s affect relations between people?
Vaknin:
Is the Metaverse the ultimate dystopia, an escape from reality, or the promised technological heaven? I summarized my views in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NTwxAJDMTo
Jacobsen: If the goal is mental health for most people most of the time, what are the most efficacious policies and laws for governments to enact, and for individuals and families to practice, regarding social media and the right to freedom of expression?
Vaknin:
Limit usage time (clocks embedded in the app will terminate use after 2 hours);
Only real life friends and acquaintances would be allowed to become online friends;
Identity verification would be mandatory for various types of content;
Introduce an accreditation system for experts, gurus, and coaches online;
ScholarTube for vetted, evidence-based knowledge provided by real-life academics or experts;
Curation of most content prior to its release (the contemporary Wikipedia model as distinct from the original crowdsourcing mess).
More here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2rKrWNWkS0 (How to Fix Social Media)
Shoshannim: Thank you, Dr. Shmuel.
Vaknin: You are always welcome, shoshanim!
3. Interview about Misogyny and Misandry
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Misogyny and misandry, what defines them?
Prof. Shmuel “Sam” Vaknin:
Misogyny and misandry are forms of inverted gender dysphoria, actually. It is hatred, resentment, and revulsion brought on by the opposite sex. It encompasses all aspects and dimensions of the hate figure and in this sense, it is akin to racism.
Jacobsen: Historically, how have misogyny and misandry manifested in partnerships, in individual social settings, and in cultures at large?
Vaknin:
Misogyny has been the patriarchal organizing principles of all societies from the agricultural revolution to this very day. It permeated all institutions, from the family to the Church to the state.
Misogyny was mainly intended to restrict the freedoms of women in order to prevent them from procreating extradyadically and thus secure the intergenerational transfer of wealth to the male’s rightful offspring.
Misandry is the reaction of some waves of feminism in the past 150 years or so. It is visceral and bitter, but not nearly as organized and institutionalized as misogyny.
Recently both are on the increase.
Jacobsen: As you note in several productions, there are obvious cases of a ‘rollback’ of women’s rights in the United States through murmurings of repeals of Roe v Wade and in state legislatures, in Russia with the (re-)legalization – in a manner of speaking – of domestic abuse, in Afghanistan with women confined to the home, in Ethiopia with sexual violence (by Ethiopian and Eritrean forces), in Turkey via withdrawal from the Istanbul Convention, and in online hate groups comprised of resentful, bitter, anomic, hopeless, potentially mentally ill, batches of men in MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way), Black Pillers, Red Pillers, Incels (Involuntary Celibates), generic male supremacists, PUAs (Pick Up Artists), MRM men (Men’s Rights Movement), TFLers (True Forced Loners), and so on. These men, young and old alike, seem composed of anomie, despair, and porcelain, transmogrified into contempt for the Other. Do these seem like a disunified variegated ‘wave’ of anti-women sentiments and acts by men online and offline around the world?
Vaknin:
Some men are fighting back against what they perceive to be the ominous usurpation of rights and powers by women. They are also aghast at the way women have appropriated stereotypical male behaviors, such as promiscuity.
The counter-movement started off in disparate groups but now has coalesced into an agenda that is promoted by lawmakers all over the world. The backlash is fierce. Men are still the gatekeepers in most countries in the world. This doesn’t bode well for women. Legal rights and access to services such as healthcare and educations are being rolled back and freedoms are curtailed.
Women are bound to be radicalized by such counter-reform. They are likely to become way more militant and masculinized. They are shunning men in growing numbers and resorting to male substitutes even when it comes to procreation: donor sperm and IVF.
Jacobsen: What seems like the psychology of the men with the authority to impose these ‘rollbacks’ in legislation and socio-cultural life?
Vaknin:
This is a state of panic, both moral and operational. Inter-gender morality was imposed by men in order to preserve the “purity” of women and their role as domestic comforters-in-chief. As power shifted from men to women, this ideal has been shattered.
Moreover, women emulate aggressive, ambitious men. In multiple studies, women described themselves in exclusively masculine terms. They have been taking away men’s jobs for well over a hundred years now. They are way more educated than men so men feel absolutely threatened, very much like a species going extinct.
Men who react adversely to the ascendance of women and the emergence of a unigender world via legislation and politics are anxious, sociosexually restricted, narcissistic (but not psychopathic), insecure, and, in some cases, with a conflicted sexual and gender identity.
Jacobsen: What seems like the psychology of the men in these international, disparate online groups, who even create their own lingo, patois?
Vaknin:
These are rabid misogynists who have created an ideology around their deep-seated, irrational, and pathological hatred. They have primitive defenses, are highly narcissistic and even psychopathic, and tend to externalize aggression. They tend to hold grudges and grievances, ruminate and fixate, and be vengeful and hypervigilant.
Jacobsen: You agree with First Wave Feminism and Second Wave Feminism, and disagree with Third Wave Feminism and Fourth Wave Feminism. What defines them?
Vaknin:
First and second wave feminisms (in plural: there are many schools) were focused on leveling the playing field and fighting abusive and exploitative practices such as prostitution and pornography.
Starting with the suffragettes, they focused on the franchise (the right to vote), equal wages, access (to healthcare, education, the workplace, daycare), revising the dress code (“rational dress”), the right to own and dispose of property, and converting marriage from indentured bondage to an intimate, hopefully lifelong equal partnership.
The third wave was a psychopathic outgrowth. While claiming to be inclusive and permissive, it was a defiant and reckless attempt to “empower” women by eliminating all boundaries, conventions, and mores of any kind in all fields of life.
What women have garnered from the confluence of the three waves is that they should make their careers the pivot of their lives, avoid meaningful, committed relationships with men, and pursue sex as a pastime with any man.
Ironically, the third wave played right into the hands of predatory men (“players”) who took advantage of the newfangled promiscuity while assiduously avoiding any hint of commitment or investment. Third wave feminists internalized the male gaze (“internalized oppression”) and pride themselves on being “sluts”.
The fourth wave of feminism is focused on real problems such as sexual harassment, rape, and body shaming as well as intersectionality (discrimination of women who belong to more than one minority). In many ways, it is an offshoot of second wave feminism.
Jacobsen: Even within these four waves of feminism, what seem like the most laudable portions and the most contemptible parts of each?
Vaknin:
First, second, and fourth wave feminisms are legitimate movements which have improved and strengthened societies around the world by integrating women in the social and economic fabrics of their milieus.
The third wave was utterly destructive. It hijacked the feminist message and precipitated the gender wars which are threatening to undo the accomplishments of the first and second waves.
Moreover: corporate interested coopted the messaging of the third wave to encourage women to remain single and promiscuous in order to encourage their participation in the labor force and thus convert them into consumers.
Jacobsen: Since history cannot be rewritten in actuality, though can be erased and rewritten in records, what might Fifth Wave Feminism incorporate as lessons from the previous four to correct course from the clear antipathy between the sexes – maintaining the proper equalitarian victories and jettisoning the improper inegalitarian losses?
Vaknin:
Feminism needs to fight the patriarchy and its discriminatory practices – not men. It needs to recognize that men and women are equal, but not identical. It needs to encourage women to adopt boundaried sexuality and the formation of intimate partnerships, cohabitation households, and families with men (or women, if they are so inclined). It needs to expose the way business and the third wave end up disempowering women like never before.
Jacobsen: How can science on sex and gender clarify the fact from the fiction, as the sea floor of these waves – so to speak? Something to set limits on conversation based on reality in contrast to discourses entirely in the realm of fantasy.
Vaknin:
I dealt with this at length in the interview I gave you about gender wars https://www.newsintervention.com/prof-sam-vaknin-on-the-gender-wars/
Jacobsen: How might such a fifth wave grounded in science inform international human rights discourse, national legislation, sociocultural lives, families, and individual self-identification?
Vaknin:
Women are not a minority. Numerically, they are a majority. Their situation is reminiscent of apartheid in South Africa and needs to be tackled with the same tools: nonviolent resistance; truth and reconciliation; a peaceful and consensual transfer of power; an integrated society with no discrimination or subterfuge; equal rights and obligations while recognizing the uniqueness of each constituency.
Shoshanim: Thanks much, Prof. Samuel.
Vaknin: You are very welcome. May we both live to see the day men and women love each other the way they should.
4. Interview about Victimization, Victims, and Victim Identity Movements (News Intervention)
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What defines victimization? What defines a real victim in contrast to a fake victim?
Prof. Shmuel “Sam” Vaknin: Victimization involves the denial of the self-determination, identity, self-actualization, rights, and boundaries of a person without their express consent and collaboration.
Jacobsen: What makes victim identity movements, in fact, movements?
Vaknin: When victimhood becomes an organizing and explanatory (hermeneutic) principle, a determinant of the victim’s identity, and a socially binding force centred around grievances; prosocial or communal grandiosity; entitlement; conspiracism (paranoid or persecutory delusions); aggressive engagement or, on the other end of the spectrum, schizoid withdrawal; dysempathy; defiance (reactance); and contumaciousness (rejection of expertise and authority) – we have on our hands a victim identity movement.
No one is a victim. We may end up being victimized – but it doesn’t render us victims for life, it doesn’t brand us.
Jacobsen: Some studies in British Columbia, as you have noted, found some victimhood movements have been hijacked by narcissists and psychopaths. How does this muddy the waters of the real justice movements and make them ineffectual?
Vaknin: This was not the only study to have unearthed this very disconcerting undertow. We are beginning to wake up to the reality of what Gabay et al. call (2020) Tendency for Interpersonal Victimhood, TIV). “professional” or “career” victims with emphasized narcissistic and psychopathic tendencies find new homes (“pathological narcissistic spaces”) in these social justice upswells.
It makes it difficult to tell apart legitimate evidence-based grievances from entitlement-fueled manipulative and counterfactual claims.
One helpful way to distinguish the two is by noting that narcissists and psychopaths are destructive, not solutions-oriented. They thrive on negative affects such as anger and envy and are loth to invest in the routine and tedious chores attendant upon rectifying wrongs and building a better world.
More here: Victimhood Movements Hijacked by Narcissists and Psychopaths https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBpxFxMAztA
Jacobsen: What have been extreme historical cases of this going awry, as this phenomenon has been historically cyclical, including one close to ‘home’ in 2004?
Vaknin: Nazism is a victimhood movement gone awful. And, to a lesser degree the white man’s grievance movement implausibly headed by Trump is a more recent example of such subversive dynamics.
Jacobsen: What is the typical arc of development of victim movements?
Vaknin:
The sociologist Bradley Campbell suggested that we have transitioned from a culture centred around dignity to one based on victimhood.
Learn more by reading Habermas, Fukuyama, and Foucault. All justice-seeking movements start with grievances (injustices). They decry and seek to remedy and reverse individual transgressions (eg, the narcissistic abuse online movement) or societal and cultural biases (implicit and explicit), discrimination, and suppression.
The victims organize themselves around exclusionary identity politics and intersectionality and this orientation results in grandiosity and entitlement, in other words: in growing narcissism. Increasingly more aggressive, these movements often become psychopathic (defiant and contumacious) and demonize the Other.
Left-leaning victimhood movements centre around entitlement and reparations claims on the majority, on social institutions, and on history. Right-wing movements are conspiracy-minded and avoidant, but also more violent.
Narcissists and psychopaths gravitate to such movements in order to obtain narcissistic supply, money, power, and sex. They become the public faces and the media darlings on these hapless victims, having hijacked their legitimate complaints and demands.
Jacobsen: How much of the online content on narcissism and psychopathy is garbage (worthless or worse) now?
Vaknin: About 90%. It is not only worthless (wrong), it is dangerously misleading and entrenches a lifelong self-defeating and self-aggrandizing victimhood stance even as it demonizes and mythologizes abusers.
Jacobsen: What is the Tendency for Interpersonal Victimhood (TIV)?
Vaknin:
A series of two studies by Israeli scholar Gabay and others, published in 2020. The authors provided this abstract:
“In the present research, we introduce a conceptualization of the Tendency for Interpersonal Victimhood (TIV), which we define as an enduring feeling that the self is a victim across different kinds of interpersonal relationships. Then, in a comprehensive set of eight studies, we develop a measure for this novel personality trait, TIV, and examine its correlates, as well as its affective, cognitive, and behavioral consequences. In Part 1 (Studies 1A-1C) we establish the construct of TIV, with its four dimensions; i.e., need for recognition, moral elitism, lack of empathy, and rumination, and then assess TIV’s internal consistency, stability over time, and its effect on the interpretation of ambiguous situations. In Part 2 (Studies 2A-2C) we examine TIV’s convergent and discriminant validities, using several personality dimensions, and the role of attachment styles as conceptual antecedents. In Part 3 (Studies 3–4) we explore the cognitive and behavioral consequences of TIV. Specifically, we examine the relationships between TIV, negative attribution and recall biases, and the desire for revenge (Study 3), and the effects of TIV on behavioral revenge (Study 4). The findings highlight the importance of understanding, conceptualizing, and empirically testing TIV, and suggest that victimhood is a stable and meaningful personality tendency.”
Read an analysis of these studies here: “The Tendency for Interpersonal Victimhood: The Personality Construct and its Consequences” (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886920303238):
Another interesting study:
“New research provides evidence that narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism — maladaptive personality traits known as the “Dark Triad” — are associated with overt displays of virtue and victimhood. The study suggests that people with dark personalities use these signals of “virtuous victimhood” to deceptively extract resources from others.”
(“Signaling Virtuous Victimhood as Indicators of Dark Triad Personalities“, was authored by Ekin Ok, Yi Qian, Brendan Strejcek, and Karl Aquino, Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, American Psychological Association, May 2020).
Jacobsen: What are the primary signifiers of narcissists and psychopaths who have or might hijack legitimate victimhood or justice movements looking for money, power, and sex?
Vaknin:
Ironically, these usually are prosocial or communal narcissists. They often “control from the bottom” (emotionally blackmail by being self-sacrificial). So, the infestation of victimhood activism by narcissists and psychopaths is the tip of a submerged iceberg of ersatz altruism.
Some narcissists are ostentatiously generous: they dedicate time and other resources to social justice movements and to activism, they donate to charity, lavish gifts on their closest, abundantly provide for their nearest and dearest, and, in general, are open-handed and unstintingly benevolent. It is a form of virtue signalling. How can this be reconciled with the pronounced lack of empathy and with the pernicious self-preoccupation that is so typical of narcissists?
The act of giving enhances the narcissist’s sense of omnipotence, his fantastic grandiosity, and the contempt he holds for others. It is easy to feel superior to the supplicating recipients of one’s largesse. Narcissistic altruism is about exerting control and maintaining it by fostering dependence in the beneficiaries.
But narcissists give for other reasons as well.
The narcissist flaunts his charitable nature as a bait. He impresses others with his selflessness and kindness and thus lures them into his lair, entraps them, and manipulates and brainwashes them into subservient compliance and obsequious collaboration. People are attracted to the narcissist’s larger than life posture – only to discover his true personality traits when it is far too late. “Give a little to take a lot” – is the narcissist’s creed.
This does not prevent the narcissist from assuming the role of the exploited victim. Narcissists always complain that life and people are unfair to them and that they invest far more than their “share of the profit”. The narcissist feels that he is the sacrificial lamb, the scapegoat, and that his relationships are asymmetric and imbalanced. “She gets out of our marriage far more than I do” – is a common refrain. Or: “I do all the work around here – and they get all the perks and benefits!”
Some narcissists are compulsive givers.
To all appearances, the compulsive giver is an altruistic, empathic, and caring person. Actually, he or she is a people-pleaser and a codependent. The compulsive giver is trapped in a narrative of his own confabulation: how his nearest and dearest need him because they are poor, young, inexperienced, lacking in intelligence or good looks, and are otherwise inferior to him. Compulsive giving, therefore, involves pathological narcissism. In reality, it is the compulsive giver who coerces, cajoles, and tempts people around him to avail themselves of his services or money. He forces himself on the recipients of his ostentatious largesse and the beneficiaries of his generosity or magnanimity. He is unable to deny anyone their wishes or a requests, even when these are not explicit or expressed and are mere figments of his own neediness and grandiose imagination.
Some narcissists are ostentatiously generous — they donate to charity, lavish gifts on their closest, abundantly provide for their nearest and dearest, and, in general, are open-handed and unstintingly benevolent. How can this be reconciled with the pronounced lack of empathy and with the pernicious self-preoccupation that is so typical of narcissists? The act of giving enhances the narcissist’s sense of omnipotence, his fantastic grandiosity, and the contempt he holds for others. It is easy to feel superior to the supplicating recipients of one’s largesse. Narcissistic altruism is about exerting control and maintaining it by fostering dependence in the beneficiaries.
The People-pleasers
People-pleasers dread conflicts and wish to avoid them (they are conflict-averse) – hence their need to believe that they are universally liked. Always pleasant, well-mannered, and civil, the conflict-averse people-pleaser is also evasive and vague, hard to pin down, sometimes obsequious and, generally, a spineless “non-entity”. These qualities are self-defeating as they tend to antagonize people rather than please them.
But conflict-aversion is only one of several psychodynamic backgrounds for the behavior known as “people-pleasing”:
1. Some people-pleasers cater to the needs and demands of others as a form of penance, or self-sacrifice;
2. Many people-pleasers are codependents and strive to gratify their nearest and dearest in order to allay their own abandonment anxiety and the ensuing intense – and, at times, life-threatening – dysphoria (“if I am nice to him, he won’t break up with me”, “if I cater to her needs, she won’t leave me”);
3. A few people-pleasers are narcissistic: pleasing people enhances their sense of omnipotence (grandiosity). They seek to control and disempower their “charges” (“she so depends on and looks up to me”). Even their pity is a form of self-aggrandizement (“only I can make her life so much better, she needs me, without me her life would be hell.”). They are misanthropic altruists and compulsive givers.
All people-pleasers use these common coping strategies:
1. Dishonesty (to avoid conflicts and unpleasant situations);
2. Manipulation (to ensure desired outcomes, such as an intimate partner’s continued presence);
3. Fostering dependence: codependent people-pleasers leverage their ostentatious helplessness and manifest weaknesses to elicit the kind of behaviours and solicit the benefits that they angle for, while narcissistic people-pleasers aim to habituate their targets by bribing them with gifts, monopolizing their time, and isolating them socially;
4. Infantilization: displaying childish behaviours to gratify the emotional needs of over-protective, possessive, paranoid, narcissistic, and codependent individuals in the people-pleaser’s milieu;
5. Self-punishment, self-defeat, and self-sacrifice to signal self-annulment in the pursuit of people-pleasing.
Jacobsen: What, historically speaking, can be done to combat these Cluster B bad behaviours connected to some social movements?
Vaknin:
As the grievances of these movements are addressed, they become a part of the establishment. This is when the hard work begins: the labors of writing laws, regulatory oversight, politics, negotiations and compromise, and the tedium of perseverance and routine.
These newfangled demands on the psychological and logistical resources of the movement and its adherents drive narcissists and psychopaths away: they are unaccustomed to and reject the hard slog and the often Sisyphean undertakings of public policy.
Shoshanim: Thanks so much for the time and opportunity, Prof. V.
Shoshanim’s Shoshanim: V for Victim or V for Vaknin? Just kidding. Thank you for suffering me yet again!
5. Interview about Gut Feelings and Intuition (News Intervention)
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What differentiates intuitions from gut feelings if at all?
Prof. Shmuel “Sam” Vaknin: Gut feeling is immediate and nebulous. Intuition takes longer to form and feels more precise, incisive, and certain.
Jacobsen: How much of knowledge is filtered, processed, and prefabricated non-consciously and then presented to a conscious arena/awareness for decision-making?
Vaknin:
There are three types of intuition.
Eidetic Intuitions
Intuition is supposed to be a form of direct access. Yet, direct access to what? Does it access directly “intuitions” (abstract objects, akin to numbers or properties – see “Bestowed Existence”)? Are intuitions the objects of the mental act of Intuition? Perhaps intuition is the mind’s way of interacting directly with Platonic ideals or Phenomenological “essences”? By “directly” I mean without the intellectual mediation of a manipulated symbol system, and without the benefits of inference, observation, experience, or reason.
Kant thought that both (Euclidean) space and time are intuited. In other words, he thought that the senses interact with our (transcendental) intuitions to produce synthetic a-priori knowledge. The raw data obtained by our senses -our sensa or sensory experience – presuppose intuition. One could argue that intuition is independent of our senses. Thus, these intuitions (call them “eidetic intuitions”) would not be the result of sensory data, or of calculation, or of the processing and manipulation of same. Kant’s “Erscheiung” (Sic!) – the “phenomenon”, or “appearance” of an object to the senses – is actually a kind of sense-intuition later processed by the categories of substance and cause. As opposed to the phenomenon, the “nuomenon” (thing in itself) is not subject to these categories.
Descartes’ “I (think therefore I) am” is an immediate and indubitable innate intuition from which his metaphysical system is derived. Descartes’ work in this respect is reminiscent of Gnosticism in which the intuition of the mystery of the self leads to revelation.
Bergson described a kind of instinctual empathic intuition which penetrates objects and persons, identifies with them and, in this way, derives knowledge about the absolutes – “duration” (the essence of all living things) and “élan vital” (the creative life force). He wrote: “(Intuition is an) instinct that has become disinterested, self-conscious, capable of reflecting upon its object and of enlarging it indefinitely.” Thus, to him, science (the use of symbols by our intelligence to describe reality) is the falsification of reality. Only art, based on intuition, unhindered by mediating thought, not warped by symbols – provides one with access to reality.
Spinoza’s and Bergson’s intuited knowledge of the world as an interconnected whole is also an “eidetic intuition”.
Spinoza thought that intuitive knowledge is superior to both empirical (sense) knowledge and scientific (reasoning) knowledge. It unites the mind with the Infinite Being and reveals to it an orderly, holistic, Universe.
Friedrich Schleiermacher and Rudolf Otto discussed the religious experience of the “numinous” (God, or the spiritual power) as a kind of intuitive, pre-lingual, and immediate feeling.
Croce distinguished “concept” (representation or classification) from “intuition” (expression of the individuality of an objet d’art). Aesthetic interest is intuitive. Art, according to Croce and Collingwood, should be mainly concerned with expression (i.e., with intuition) as an end unto itself, unconcerned with other ends (e.g., expressing certain states of mind).
Eidetic intuitions are also similar to “paramartha satya” (the “ultimate truth”) in the Madhyamika school of Buddhist thought. The ultimate truth cannot be expressed verbally and is beyond empirical (and illusory) phenomena. Eastern thought (e.g. Zen Buddhism) uses intuition (or experience) to study reality in a non-dualistic manner.
IB. Emergent Intuitions
A second type of intuition is the “emergent intuition”. Subjectively, the intuiting person has the impression of a “shortcut” or even a “short circuiting” of his usually linear thought processes often based on trial and error. This type of intuition feels “magical”, a quantum leap from premise to conclusion, the parsimonious selection of the useful and the workable from a myriad possibilities. Intuition, in other words, is rather like a dreamlike truncated thought process, the subjective equivalent of a wormhole in Cosmology. It is often preceded by periods of frustration, dead ends, failures, and blind alleys in one’s work.
Artists – especially performing artists (like musicians) – often describe their interpretation of an artwork (e.g., a musical piece) in terms of this type of intuition. Many mathematicians and physicists (following a kind of Pythagorean tradition) use emergent intuitions in solving general nonlinear equations (by guessing the approximants) or partial differential equations.
Henri Poincaret insisted (in a presentation to the Psychological Society of Paris, 1901) that even simple mathematical operations require an “intuition of mathematical order” without which no creativity in mathematics is possible. He described how some of his creative work occurred to him out of the blue and without any preparation, the result of emergent intuitions.
These intuitions had “the characteristics of brevity, suddenness and immediate certainty… Most striking at first is this appearance of sudden illumination, a manifest sign of long, unconscious prior work. The role of this unconscious work in mathematical invention appears to me incontestable, and traces of it would be found in other cases where it is less evident.”
Subjectively, emergent intuitions are indistinguishable from insights. Yet insight is more “cognitive” and structured and concerned with objective learning and knowledge. It is a novel reaction or solution, based on already acquired responses and skills, to new stimuli and challenges. Still, a strong emotional (e.g., aesthetic) correlate usually exists in both insight and emergent intuition.
Intuition and insight are strong elements in creativity, the human response to an ever changing environment. They are shock inducers and destabilizers. Their aim is to move the organism from one established equilibrium to the next and thus better prepare it to cope with new possibilities, challenges, and experiences. Both insight and intuition are in the realm of the unconscious, the simple, and the mentally disordered. Hence the great importance of obtaining insights and integrating them in psychoanalysis – an equilibrium altering therapy.
Kazimierz Dąbrowski’s theory of positive disintegration (TPD) posits that angst (existentialist tension and anxiety) not only induces growth, but is a necessary condition for it. Disintegrative processes are desirable. The absence of positive disintegration results in a fixated state of “primary (not secondary) integration”, without true individuality. One’s developmental potential, especially one’s overexcitabilities (abnormally strong reactions to stimuli) determine the potential for positive disintegration. Overexcitability (OE) is a heightened physiological experience of stimuli resulting from increased neuronal sensitivities.
Like Jordan Peterson, Dabrowski regards suffering – including the self-inflicted kind – as a key to both progress and healing. Personality shaping depends on socialization and on peer pressure (second factor). Strict unthinking and unwavering adherence creates robopaths (von Bertalanffy). Disintegartion requires countering social signalling and pressures which, I suggest, are mostly detected intuitively. Intuition, therefore, plays a key part in the regulation of these processes.
IC. Ideal Intuitions
The third type of intuition is the “ideal intuition”. These are thoughts and feelings that precede any intellectual analysis and underlie it. Empathy may be such an intuitive mode applied to the minds of other people, yielding an intersubjective agreement. Moral ideals and rules may be such intuitions (see “Morality – a State of Mind?”).
Mathematical and logical axioms and basic rules of inference (“necessary truths”) may also turn out to be intuitions. These moral, mathematical, and logical self-evident conventions do not relate to the world. They are elements of the languages we use to describe the world (or of the codes that regulate our conduct in it). It follows that these a-priori languages and codes are nothing but the set of our embedded ideal intuitions. This is why we can be pretty certain that the language of mathematics is inadequate and insufficient to capture reality or even the laws of nature.
As the Rationalists realized, ideal intuitions (a class of undeniable, self-evident truths and principles) can be accessed by our intellect. Rationalism is concerned with intuitions – though only with those intuitions available to reason and intellect. Sometimes, the boundary between intuition and deductive reasoning is blurred as they both yield the same results. Moreover, intuitions can be combined to yield metaphysical or philosophical systems. Descartes applied ideal intuitions (e.g., reason) to his eidetic intuitions to yield his metaphysics. Husserl, Twardowski, even Bolzano did the same in developing the philosophical school of Phenomenology.
The a-priori nature of intuitions of the first and the third kind led thinkers, such as Adolf Lasson, to associate it with Mysticism. He called it an “intellectual vision” which leads to the “essence of things”. Earlier philosophers and theologians labeled the methodical application of intuitions – the “science of the ultimates”. Of course, this misses the strong emotional content of mystical experiences.
Confucius talked about fulfilling and seeking one’s “human nature” (or “ren”) as “the Way”. This nature is not the result of learning or deliberation. It is innate. It is intuitive and, in turn, produces additional, clear intuitions (“yong”) as to right and wrong, productive and destructive, good and evil. The “operation of the natural law” requires that there be no rigid codex, but only constant change guided by the central and harmonious intuition of life.
Intuition is a topic that concerned many philosophers throughout the ages.
IIA. Locke
But are intuitions really a-priori – or do they develop in response to a relatively stable reality and in interaction with it? Would we have had intuitions in a chaotic, capricious, and utterly unpredictable and disordered universe? Do intuitions emerge to counter-balance surprises?
Locke thought that intuition is a learned and cumulative response to sensation. The assumption of innate ideas is unnecessary. The mind is like a blank sheet of paper, filled gradually by experience – by the sum total of observations of external objects and of internal “reflections” (i.e., operations of the mind). Ideas (i.e., what the mind perceives in itself or in immediate objects) are triggered by the qualities of objects.
But, despite himself, Locke was also reduced to ideal (innate) intuitions. According to Locke, a colour, for instance, can be either an idea in the mind (i.e., ideal intuition) – or the quality of an object that causes this idea in the mind (i.e., that evokes the ideal intuition). Moreover, his “primary qualities” (qualities shared by all objects) come close to being eidetic intuitions.
Locke himself admits that there is no resemblance or correlation between the idea in the mind and the (secondary) qualities that provoked it. Berkeley demolished Locke’s preposterous claim that there is such resemblance (or mapping) between PRIMARY qualities and the ideas that they provoke in the mind. It would seem therefore that Locke’s “ideas in the mind” are in the mind irrespective and independent of the qualities that produce them. In other words, they are a-priori. Locke resorts to abstraction in order to repudiate it.
Locke himself talks about “intuitive knowledge”. It is when the mind “perceives the agreement or disagreement of two ideas immediately by themselves, without the intervention of any other… the knowledge of our own being we have by intuition… the mind is presently filled with the clear light of it. It is on this intuition that depends all the certainty and evidence of all our knowledge… (Knowledge is the) perception of the connection of and agreement, or disagreement and repugnancy, of any of our ideas.”
Knowledge is intuitive intellectual perception. Even when demonstrated (and few things, mainly ideas, can be intuited and demonstrated – relations within the physical realm cannot be grasped intuitively), each step in the demonstration is observed intuitionally. Locke’s “sensitive knowledge” is also a form of intuition (known as “intuitive cognition” in the Middle Ages). It is the perceived certainty that there exist finite objects outside us. The knowledge of one’s existence is an intuition as well. But both these intuitions are judgmental and rely on probabilities.
IIB. Hume
Hume denied the existence of innate ideas. According to him, all ideas are based either on sense impressions or on simpler ideas. But even Hume accepted that there are propositions known by the pure intellect (as opposed to propositions dependent on sensory input). These deal with the relations between ideas and they are (logically) necessarily true. Even though reason is used in order to prove them – they are independently true all the same because they merely reveal the meaning or information implicit in the definitions of their own terms. These propositions teach us nothing about the nature of things because they are, at bottom, self referential (equivalent to Kant’s “analytic propositions”).
IIC. Kant
According to Kant, our senses acquaint us with the particulars of things and thus provide us with intuitions. The faculty of understanding provided us with useful taxonomies of particulars (“concepts”). Yet, concepts without intuitions were as empty and futile as intuitions without concepts. Perceptions (“phenomena”) are the composite of the sensations caused by the perceived objects and the mind’s reactions to such sensations (“form”). These reactions are the product of intuition.
IID. The Absolute Idealists
Schelling suggested a featureless, undifferentiated, union of opposites as the Absolute Ideal. Intellectual intuition entails such a union of opposites (subject and object) and, thus, is immersed and assimilated by the Absolute and becomes as featureless and undifferentiated as the Absolute is.
Objective Idealists claimed that we can know ultimate (spiritual) reality by intuition (or thought) independent of the senses (the mystical argument). The mediation of words and symbol systems only distorts the “signal” and inhibits the effective application of one’s intuition to the attainment of real, immutable, knowledge.
IIE. The Phenomenologists
The Phenomenological point of view is that every thing has an invariable and irreducible “essence” (“Eidos”, as distinguished from contingent information about the thing). We can grasp this essence only intuitively (“Eidetic Reduction”). This process – of transcending the concrete and reaching for the essential – is independent of facts, concrete objects, or mental constructs. But it is not free from methodology (“free variation”), from factual knowledge, or from ideal intuitions. The Phenomenologist is forced to make the knowledge of facts his point of departure. He then applies a certain methodology (he varies the nature and specifications of the studied object to reveal its essence) which relies entirely on ideal intuitions (such as the rules of logic).
Phenomenology, in other words, is an Idealistic form of Rationalism. It applies reason to discover Platonic (Idealism) essences. Like Rationalism, it is not empirical (it is not based on sense data). Actually, it is anti-empirical – it “brackets” the concrete and the factual in its attempt to delve beyond appearances and into essences. It calls for the application of intuition (Anschauung) to discover essential insights (Wesenseinsichten).
“Phenomenon” in Phenomenology is that which is known by consciousness and in it. Phenomenologists regarded intuition as a “pure”, direct, and primitive way of reducing clutter in reality. It is immediate and the basis of a higher level perception. A philosophical system built on intuition would, perforce, be non speculative. Hence, Phenomenology’s emphasis on the study of consciousness (and intuition) rather than on the study of (deceiving) reality. It is through “Wesensschau” (the intuition of essences) that one reaches the invariant nature of things (by applying free variation techniques).
Jacobsen: Is this a large part of intuition and/or gut feelings if inclusive of the filtration, processing, and prefabrication, of information from physiology – the body – too? I do not necessarily mean extensive amounts of time – could be fractions of a second – from input to presentation to consciousness (conscious awareness).
Vaknin:
There is no question that input from the body is crucial to the formation of intuitions. The sensa (sensory inputs) are only one part of it. Autonomous reactions – such as heartbeat or perspiration – also figure into the equation. As we try to make sense of these corporeal data, we often come up with a heuristic or a narrative and most of the time we perceive the outcomes of these attempts as gut feelings or intuitions.
Jacobsen: When something feels wrong to an individual, how is this justifiable in considering the “something” as wrong in and of itself, or wrong in interpretation of an individual (more likely than not a fallible individual)? Are there moments when these feelings of wrongness about something are themselves inaccurate – following more generally from part of the last question?
Vaknin:
Intuition is wrong as often as right. It is a shaky foundation for decision making. But it is a reliable signal that further research and investigation are called for.
Intuition should not be confused with either emotions or cognitions. They are an amalgam of both but they are a form of anxiety reaction, a variant of hypervigilance.
Jacobsen: When someone is trying to force-fit a relationship, a friendship, a marital situation, a professional arrangement, why is this a sign of inauthenticity, a fake?
Vaknin:
Authenticity consists of being yourself even when you adhere to social strictures, norms, and mores or when you are trying to meet expectations and obligations. Feeling good about your choice to conform and act responsibly, reliably, and predictably (ego syntony).
If the sum total of an engagement with others causes you acute discomfort (ego dystony or dissonance) – this is a sign that you are betraying yourself somehow and, therefore, being inauthentic.
Watch “Being is Slavery, Nothingness is Freedom (Sartre’s “Being and Nothingness”, FIRST LECTURE)”
Watch “Relationships Always Fail, Inauthentic (Sartre’s “Being and Nothingness”, SECOND LECTURE)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFvRcB1MOWM
Jacobsen: Grandiose claims are made all the time. Those claims too good to be true. Why are the “too good to be true” more likely to be false than true?
Vaknin:
Splitting is an infantile psychological defense mechanism: the baby divides the world into all good and all bad. Of course, this is counterfactual: there is good and bad, right and wrong, helpful and obstructive in everything and in everyone.
So, “too good to be true” is an outcome of splitting coupled with magical thinking (the delusion that your willpower or thoughts affect reality even without any commensurate action). It is the offspring of a pathology of impaired reality testing.
Jacobsen: Why are we prone to believing things people say far more often than not, when people lie all the time in little and big ways?
Vaknin:
This is known as the base rate fallacy. This cognitive distortion aims to resolve a cognitive dissonance: I know that people lie but I want to trust them all the time in order to feel safe.
It stems from the same pathological roots which involve grandiosity magical thinking: other people are all good and can be always trusted because I am all-powerful and immune to harm as well as all-knowing and so, I cannot be conned.
Trusting other people is the optimal strategy when you are the omniscient and omnipotent master of the Universe: investing in research and investigation would be wasteful.
Jacobsen: Should we make decisions immediately based on gut feelings and intuitions or over a reasonable amount of time making incremental, moderate changes/decisions based on increasing feedback from the processes colloquially called “gut feelings” and “intuitions”?
Vaknin:
We should definitely listen to gut feelings and intuitions. They are telling us that something has gone awry with the way we perceive reality. This alert bears careful investigation and research.
But I would not act on my intuition or gut feeling unless and until I have delved deeper into what it is that is nagging at me.
Jacobsen: How can intuitions and gut feelings, ultimately, save us from our conscious delusions?
Vaknin:
Intuitions and gut feelings are a poor guide in this sense because, as I said, as often as not, they turn out to have been wrong. Some intuitions are delusional!
Shoshanim: Thanks so much for the time and opportunity, Prof. Sam (Wise Gamgee).
Shoshanim’s Shoshanim: I have an intuition that you actually mean it this time!
6. Narcissism: The Future Religion (News Intervention)
Pathological narcissism develops as a set of complex psychological defenses against childhood abuse and trauma in all its forms, including not only “classical” maltreatment, but also idolizing the child, smothering it, parentifying it, or instrumentalizing it.
Whenever the child is not allowed to separate from the parental figures, form boundaries, and individuate (become an individual), a disorder of some kind ensues, secondary (pathological) narcissism being among the most prevalent.
In the narcissistic pathology, the child forms a paracosm ruled over by an imaginary friend who is everything the child is not: omniscient, omnipotent, perfect, brilliant, and omnipresent. In short: a godhead or divinity. The child worships the newfound ally and makes a human sacrifice to this Moloch: he offers to it his true self.
The child strikes a Faustian deal: he is endowed with a grandiose albeit fragile self-image and a fantastic self-perception, but, in return, he ceases to exist.
The narcissist outsources his ego boundary functions to the False Self and regulates his internal environment (for example: his sense of self-worth) via constant feedback from a multitude of interchangeable sources of narcissistic supply. His is a veritable hive mind.
Narcissism is the celebration, elevation, and glorification of a superior absence, a howling emptiness, the all-devouring void of a black hole with a galaxy of internal objects (introjects) swirling around it.
Narcissism is, therefore, a private religion which resembles very much primitive faiths and rites. It is a fantasy defense writ large and gone awry, having metamorphesized into a delusion. Reality testing is severely impaired and the narcissist mistakes inner representations of people with the external objects that gave rise to them.
As a growing number of people become increasingly more narcissistic and as our civilization rewards narcissism and veers towards it, the allure of the narcissism religion is growing exponentially.
It is beginning to be widely and counterfactually glamorized – even in academe – as a positive adaptation. Counterfactually because narcissism ineluctably and invariably devolves into self-defeat and self-destruction.
Narcissism is the first distributed or networked faith: every believer and practitioner (i.e., every narcissist) is a worshipper but also the god that he worships (has a godlike False Self). Every node is equipotent and self-sustaining as it seeks to consume narcissistic supply (attention, good or bad).
Like every religion before it, narcissism is fast becoming an organizing and hermeneutic (explanatory) principle. It imbues existence with meaning and direction. It is both prescriptive and proscriptive. Fueled by technologies like social media, it is spreading with more alacrity than any previous historical faith.
Pathological narcissism is also missionary: the narcissist attempts to convert potential sources of narcissistic supply and intimate partners to participate in his shared fantasy and to worship his grandiose deity, the False Self.
Everything abovesaid applies with equal rigor to narcissistic collectives. This is where the danger lurks: narcissism is aggressive and intolerant, dysempathic and exploitative. It is a death cult. It elevates objects above people. In a society of the spectacle, everyone is rendered a commodity. Materialism and consumerism are manifestations of narcissism as is malignant, ostentatious individualism.
Narcissism in collectives is indistinguishable from the individual sort: it is always adversarial and results in dismal self-defeat and self-destruction. Left unbridled and unconstrained and elevated ideologically, it can bring about Armageddon in more than one way.
The rise of narcissism is inexorable. It is comparable to climate change and to the shift in gender roles: there is no going back now. If I am right, it calls for major adaptations on multiple levels, individual, institutional, and collective:
(1) To harness the considerable energy of narcissism and channel it in socially acceptable ways (sublimate it). Prosocial and communal narcissism could spell a workable compromise, for example;
(2) To put in place checks, balances, and institutions to prevent the more destructive, insidious, and pernicious outcomes and aspects of narcissism; and
(3) To prepare the general populace to accept narcissism as a part of the landscape and Zeitgeist. This latter goal is best accomplished via technologies that would provide outlets to conforming, positive healthy narcissism and at the same time isolate users from an increasingly more narcissistic reality as much as possible. Social media and the metaverse as harbingers of these twin tasks. Atomization and self-sufficiency as well as the disintegration of social institutions are mere symptoms of this tectonic shift in what it means to be human.
7. Freedom of Will: Illusion or Reality? (News Intervention)
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: We will likely encounter moments of repetition in this session, in question and response.
What is free will? What are the ways in which “will” has been defined?
Prof. Shmuel “Sam” Vaknin:
Free will is a useful fiction, akin to god or the afterlife: only agents with free will can be held morally responsible.
Free will comprises three conditions:
1. The ability to choose and act otherwise;
2. Having control over one’s choices and actions;
3. That the choice or act are rationally motivated.
The very concept of free will is founded on convenient delusions such as time or causation. Whereas teleology is prohibited in all sciences (we do not attribute purposeful actions to objects and animals, for example), it mysteriously permeates philosophy and more specifically the field of ethics.
Jacobsen: What are the ways in which “freedom” or “free” have been defined?
Vaknin:
Both the external world and our internal one serve as constraints. We cannot choose or act contrary to Nature or to our individual nature. What we call “change” is merely a transition between different constrained systems. So, ostensibly, free will is a myth, there is no such thing.
But this (nomological) determinism is merely optical (compatibilism).
First: there are always other options. If someone puts a gun to your head, you are still possessed of free will: you can choose to die (in Judaism, one is instructed to choose death over certain transgressions).
But, much more importantly, in complex systems the number of probable pathways is so enormous that for all practical purposes we can never specify all or even most of them (chaos theory, quantum mechanics). So, these systems, as far as we are concerned appear to be either random (libertarianism) or subject to free will (agency).
Jacobsen: What definitions of “free”, “will”, and “free will”/“freedom of the will”, simply exist in the realm of fantasy, magical thinking?
Vaknin:
Free will is a conscious, introspected experience of the degrees of freedom in systems (such as the brain or society). It reflects the fact that our ability to know the world is limited by our finitude and mortality. Our descriptions of reality – including psychological reality – will always be subject to uncertainty, indeterminacy, and apparent randomness.
This is a terrifying realization which produces anxiety (angst in existentialism). It implies an external locus of control (our lives are determined from the outside by forces and processes we will, in principle, never fathom).
We defend against such helplessness and lack of autonomy and agency by deceiving ourselves into believing that we are exempt from the laws of nature and can alter the ineluctable course of events.
But this is a useful bit of self-deception and should be perpetuated, for two reasons:
1. Owing to our inability to secure all the information about reality, free will feels real!
2. The concept of free will guarantees the acceptance of moral responsibility and the reactions to it: desert, blame, guilt, and restorative justice.
Jacobsen: Apart from simplistic considerations of semi-dismissal, as in it is fantasy or magical thinking, is free will a complex illusion of human perception and cognition, even a non-conscious mental trick bundled in the languages – everything: semiotics, semantics, syntax, etc. – used to speak about it, a mistake of intuition of sorts?
Vaknin:
The BELIEF in the freedom to choose and do otherwise – regardless of whether such liberty is merely an illusion – is the foundation of human civilization, its core.
Free will is an article of FAITH. It is not a fact or a hypothesis or a theory. It has no truth value (it is not true or false). It has no ontological status, only an epistemological one.
Jacobsen: What forms of free will, if it’s to exist at all (or, indeed, not), would fit the modern scientific universes of discourse for plausibility?
Vaknin:
None., Modern science is dichotomous: determinism vs. randomness (probability). In both approaches, there is no place for free will (the intelligibility problem). If the universe is preordained and predestined (by god) then, of course, individual agency is counterfactual. If, on the other hand, events are random, there can be no will, choice, or even action, all of which imply intentionality.
Some would say that Man converts the random into the structured, is an agent of increasing order in the universe. Humans, in this view, are AGENTS of determinism, the shapers of reality.
But this is just kicking the can down the road: we are still faced with randomness when human decisions and actions to increase order are undertaken.
Jacobsen: A bit of a longer question narrowed more within tighter philosophical and natural philosophical terms. In a prior session, you spoke on Kant, free will, nomic causation/causation by laws (of nature) versus causation resulting from free will, and a god. As has been phrased by others… “ultimately, of what is the will free?”
Vaknin:
Every single philosopher I ever heard of grappled with the question of free will and tried to square the circle.
Ultimately, it is just a question of frame of reference and level of description. The same substance can be described as 2 atoms of hydrogen and one of oxygen – or as wet, cold water. Both descriptions are valid statements about the reality of the substance – and yet they have nothing in common.
From a fine-grained point of view of the world, free will is a confabulation. But from a human being’s perspective, free will is a very useful organizing and explanatory principle. It helps to make sense of life and provide one with self-efficacious guidance.
Jacobsen: Apart from the above mentioned considerations of the arguments, switching more to a personal voice, you have a ToE in Chronon Field Theory (CFT). Does free will exist in CFT?
Vaknin:
Moreso than in any other theory I am aware of. The Chronon Field Theory is all about Time as a field of potentialities. As some of these potentials materialize, they constitute input – but not to any deterministic process! They feed into other probable processes or events. “Choice” and “action” easily fit into this view of the world because our brains are just another such superposition.
Jacobsen: With everything, and the stance on free will, any final words of anxiety and discomfort if not anguish and torture?
Vaknin:
I don’t do comfort. But thank you for giving me the opportunity. Every thinker whose work I have read has miserably failed in tackling the thorny topic of free will. Even the most rigorous amongst them made fools of themselves in plain view.
Don’t go there. There is a thin line separating overthinking from inanity and overanalyzing from stupidity. Don’t cross it.
Free will exists the same way Harry Potter and Sherlock Holmes most definitely exist. It is real. It is a force to reckon with. It shapes our minds and lives. It exerts a huge influence on multiple spheres. What more do we need to know?
Shoshanim: Thank you, Doc.
Lily’s Lily: You are very welcome, survivor!
8. Interview about Controversial Topics (In-Sight Journal)
Prof. Shmuel “Sam” Vaknin:
Incest used to be defined as any consensual or nonconsensual sex act of any kind with a close member of the family, related by blood or by marriage. Today, we also consider certain behaviors and speech acts as incestuous if they communicate sexual or emotional information and intent that are inappropriate among relatives, especially of the first degree.
In contemporary thought, incest is invariably associated with child abuse and its horrific, long-lasting, and often irreversible consequences. Incest is not such a clear-cut matter as it has been made out to be over millennia of taboo. Many participants claim to have enjoyed the act and its physical and emotional consequences. It is often the result of seduction. In some cases, two consenting and fully informed adults are involved.
Many types of relationships, which are defined as incestuous, are between genetically unrelated parties (a stepfather and a daughter), or between fictive kin or between classificatory kin (that belong to the same matriline or patriline). In certain societies (the Native American or the Chinese) it is sufficient to carry the same family name (=to belong to the same clan) and marriage is forbidden.
Some incest prohibitions relate to sexual acts – others to marriage. In some societies, incest is mandatory or prohibited, according to the social class or particular circumstances (Ugarit, Bali, Papua New Guinea, Polynesian and Melanesian islands). In others, the Royal House started a tradition of incestuous marriages, which was later imitated by lower classes (Ancient Egypt, Hawaii, Pre-Columbian Mixtec). Some societies are more tolerant of consensual incest than others (Japan, India until the 1930’s, Australia).
The list is long and it serves to demonstrate the diversity of attitudes towards this most universal of taboos. Generally put, we can say that a prohibition to have sex with or marry a related person should be classified as an incest prohibition.
Perhaps the strongest feature of incest has been hitherto downplayed: that it is, essentially, an autoerotic act.
Having sex with a first-degree blood relative is like having sex with oneself. It is a Narcissistic act and like all acts Narcissistic, it involves the objectification of the partner. The incestuous Narcissist over-values and then devalues his sexual partner. He is devoid of empathy (cannot see the other’s point of view or put himself in her shoes).
Jacobsen: How is incest traumatic to individuals, regardless of age, gender, or sex?
Vaknin:
Incest often involves a power asymmetry and, therefore, implicit or explicit coercion.
Paradoxically and ironically, it is the reaction of society that transforms incest into such a disruptive phenomenon. The condemnation, the horror, the revulsion and the attendant social sanctions interfere with the internal processes and dynamics of the incestuous family. It is from society that the child learns that something is horribly wrong, that he should feel guilty, and that the offending parent is a defective role model. Psychologists, from Albert Ellis to Boris Cyrulnik have noted the critical importance of societal response and stigma in cases of both adult and childhood trauma.
As a direct result, the formation of the child’s Superego is stunted and it remains infantile, ideal, sadistic, perfectionist, demanding and punishing. The child’s Ego, on the other hand, is likely to be replaced by a False Ego version, whose job it is to suffer the social consequences of the hideous act.
To sum up: society’s reactions in the case of incest are pathogenic and are most likely to produce a Narcissistic or a Borderline patient. Dysempathic, exploitative, emotionally labile, immature, and in eternal search for Narcissistic Supply – the child becomes a replica of his incestuous and socially-castigated parent.
If so, why did human societies develop such pathogenic responses? In other words, why is incest considered a taboo in all known human collectives and cultures? Why are incestuous liaisons treated so harshly and punitively?
Freud said that incest provokes horror because it touches upon our forbidden, ambivalent emotions towards members of our close family. This ambivalence covers both aggression towards other members (forbidden and punishable) and (sexual) attraction to them (doubly forbidden and punishable).
Edward Westermarck proffered an opposite view that the domestic proximity of the members of the family breeds sexual repulsion (the epigenetic rule known as the Westermarck effect) to counter naturally occurring genetic sexual attraction. The incest taboo simply reflects emotional and biological realities within the family rather than aiming to restrain the inbred instincts of its members, claimed Westermarck.
Though much-disputed by geneticists, some scholars maintain that the incest taboo may have been originally designed to prevent the degeneration of the genetic stock of the clan or tribe through intra-family breeding (closed endogamy). But, even if true, this no longer applies. In today’s world incest rarely results in pregnancy and the transmission of genetic material. Sex today is about recreation as much as procreation.
Good contraceptives should, therefore, encourage incestuous, couples. In many other species inbreeding or straightforward incest are the norm. Finally, in most countries, incest prohibitions apply also to non-genetically-related people.
It seems, therefore, that the incest taboo was and is aimed at one thing in particular: to preserve the family unit and its proper functioning.
Incest is more than a mere manifestation of a given personality disorder or a paraphilia (incest is considered by many to be a subtype of pedophilia). It harks back to the very nature of the family. It is closely entangled with its functions and with its contribution to the development of the individual within it.
The family is an efficient venue for the transmission of accumulated property as well as information – both horizontally (among family members) and vertically (down the generations). The process of socialization largely relies on these familial mechanisms, making the family the most important agent of socialization by far.
The family is a mechanism for the allocation of genetic and material wealth. Worldly goods are passed on from one generation to the next through succession, inheritance and residence. Genetic material is handed down through the sexual act. It is the mandate of the family to increase both by accumulating property and by marrying outside the family (exogamy).
Clearly, incest prevents both. It preserves a limited genetic pool and makes an increase of material possessions through intermarriage all but impossible.
The family’s roles are not merely materialistic, though.
One of the main businesses of the family is to teach to its members self control, self regulation and healthy adaptation. Family members share space and resources and siblings share the mother’s emotions and attention. Similarly, the family educates its young members to master their drives and to postpone the self-gratification which attaches to acting upon them.
The incest taboo conditions children to control their erotic drive by abstaining from ingratiating themselves with members of the opposite sex within the same family. There could be little question that incest constitutes a lack of control and impedes the proper separation of impulse (or stimulus) from action.
Additionally, incest probably interferes with the defensive aspects of the family’s existence. It is through the family that aggression is legitimately channeled, expressed and externalized. By imposing discipline and hierarchy on its members, the family is transformed into a cohesive and efficient war machine. It absorbs economic resources, social status and members of other families. It forms alliances and fights other clans over scarce goods, tangible and intangible.
This efficacy is undermined by incest. It is virtually impossible to maintain discipline and hierarchy in an incestuous family where some members assume sexual roles not normally theirs. Sex is an expression of power – emotional and physical. The members of the family involved in incest surrender power and assume it out of the regular flow patterns that have made the family the formidable apparatus that it is.
These new power politics weaken the family, both internally and externally. Internally, emotive reactions (such as the jealousy of other family members) and clashing authorities and responsibilities are likely to undo the delicate unit. Externally, the family is vulnerable to ostracism and more official forms of intervention and dismantling.
Finally, the family is an identity endowment mechanism. It bestows identity upon its members. Internally, the members of the family derive meaning from their position in the family tree and its “organization chart” (which conform to societal expectations and norms). Externally, through exogamy, by incorporating “strangers”, the family absorbs other identities and thus enhances social solidarity (Claude Levy-Strauss) at the expense of the solidarity of the nuclear, original family.
Exogamy, as often noted, allows for the creation of extended alliances. The “identity creep” of the family is in total opposition to incest. The latter increases the solidarity and cohesiveness of the incestuous family – but at the expense of its ability to digest and absorb other identities of other family units. Incest, in other words, adversely affects social cohesion and solidarity.
Lastly, as aforementioned, incest interferes with well-established and rigid patterns of inheritance and property allocation. Such disruption is likely to have led in primitive societies to disputes and conflicts – including armed clashes and deaths. To prevent such recurrent and costly bloodshed was one of the intentions of the incest taboo.
The more primitive the society, the more strict and elaborate the set of incest prohibitions and the fiercer the reactions of society to violations. It appears that the less violent the dispute settlement methods and mechanisms in a given culture – the more lenient the attitude to incest.
The incest taboo is, therefore, a cultural trait. Protective of the efficient mechanism of the family, society sought to minimize disruption to its activities and to the clear flows of authority, responsibilities, material wealth and information horizontally and vertically.
Incest threatened to unravel this magnificent creation – the family. Alarmed by the possible consequences (internal and external feuds, a rise in the level of aggression and violence) – society introduced the taboo. It came replete with physical and emotional sanctions: stigmatization, revulsion and horror, imprisonment, the demolition of the errant and socially mutant family cell.
As long as societies revolve around the relegation of power, its sharing, its acquisition and dispensation – there will always exist an incest taboo. But in a different societal and cultural setting, it is conceivable not to have such a taboo. We can easily imagine a society where incest is extolled, taught, and practiced – and out-breeding is regarded with horror and revulsion.
The incestuous marriages among members of the royal households of Europe were intended to preserve the familial property and expand the clan’s territory. They were normative, not aberrant. Marrying an outsider was considered abhorrent.
An incestuous society – where incest is the norm – is conceivable even today.
Two out of many possible scenarios:
1. “The Lot Scenario”
A plague or some other natural disaster decimate the population of planet Earth. People remain alive only in isolated clusters, co-habiting only with their closest kin. Surely incestuous procreation is preferable to virtuous extermination. Incest becomes normative.
Incest is as entrenched a taboo as cannibalism. Yet, it is better to eat the flesh of your dead football team mates than perish high up on the Andes (a harrowing tale of survival recounted in the book and eponymous film, “Alive”).
2. The Egyptian Scenario
Resources become so scarce that family units scramble to keep them exclusively within the clan.
Exogamy – marrying outside the clan – amounts to a unilateral transfer of scarce resources to outsiders and strangers. Incest becomes an economic imperative.
An incestuous society would be either utopian or dystopian, depending on the reader’s point of view – but that it is possible is doubtless.
Jacobsen: Regarding age, gender, and sex, how is incest differentially traumatic?
Vaknin:
The ages most reactive to incest are 7-13 and girls seem to be affected more than boys in the long term.
Jacobsen: What are the current facts on childlessness around the globe on a myriad of demographic factors?
Vaknin:
Between 10% and 20% of women die childless, depending on the country. About 60% of people live in countries with declining populations (replacement rate under 2.1). We are now 8 billion people on the planet, but we are aging fast and we actually need fresh blood to provide the previous generations with pensions and healthcare. By current projections, the planet’s population will peak around 2080.
Jacobsen: How do individuals of all types, of reproductive age and capacity, make decisions with respect to becoming parents or not, now?
Vaknin:
No one really knows. It is a kind of fuzzy urge, according to some. Others attribute it to sociocultural expectations. It is clear that economic and financial considerations are key determinants and predictors of procreation. Uncertainty plays a part as does the proximity to death (the baby booms after major wars).
The advent of cloning, surrogate motherhood, and the donation of gametes and sperm have shaken the traditional biological definition of parenthood to its foundations. The social roles of parents have similarly been recast by the decline of the nuclear family and the surge of alternative household formats.
Why do people become parents in the first place? Do we have a moral obligation to humanity at large, to ourselves, or to our unborn children? Hardly.
Raising children comprises equal measures of satisfaction and frustration. Parents often employ a psychological defense mechanism – known as “cognitive dissonance” – to suppress the negative aspects of parenting and to deny the unpalatable fact that raising children is time consuming, exhausting, and strains otherwise pleasurable and tranquil relationships to their limits.
Not to mention the fact that the gestational mother experiences “considerable discomfort, effort, and risk in the course of pregnancy and childbirth” (Narayan, U., and J.J. Bartkowiak (1999) Having and Raising Children: Unconventional Families, Hard Choices, and the Social Good University Park, PA: The Pennsylvania State University Press, Quoted in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy).
Parenting is possibly an irrational vocation, but humanity keeps breeding and procreating. It may well be the call of nature. All living species reproduce and most of them parent. Is maternity (and paternity) proof that, beneath the ephemeral veneer of civilization, we are still merely a kind of beast, subject to the impulses and hard-wired behavior that permeate the rest of the animal kingdom?
In his seminal tome, “The Selfish Gene”, Richard Dawkins suggested that we copulate in order to preserve our genetic material by embedding it in the future gene pool. Survival itself – whether in the form of DNA, or, on a higher-level, as a species – determines our parenting instinct. Breeding and nurturing the young are mere safe conduct mechanisms, handing the precious cargo of genetics down generations of “organic containers”.
Yet, surely, to ignore the epistemological and emotional realities of parenthood is misleadingly reductionistic. Moreover, Dawkins commits the scientific faux-pas of teleology. Nature has no purpose “in mind”, mainly because it has no mind. Things simply are, period. That genes end up being forwarded in time does not entail that Nature (or, for that matter, “God”) planned it this way. Arguments from design have long – and convincingly – been refuted by countless philosophers.
Still, human beings do act intentionally. Back to square one: why bring children to the world and burden ourselves with decades of commitment to perfect strangers?
First hypothesis: offspring allow us to “delay” death. Our progeny are the medium through which our genetic material is propagated and immortalized. Additionally, by remembering us, our children “keep us alive” after physical death.
These, of course, are self-delusional, self-serving, illusions.
Our genetic material gets diluted with time. While it constitutes 50% of the first generation – it amounts to a measly 6% three generations later. If the everlastingness of one’s unadulterated DNA was the paramount concern – incest would have been the norm.
As for one’s enduring memory – well, do you recall or can you name your maternal or paternal great great grandfather? Of course you can’t. So much for that. Intellectual feats or architectural monuments are far more potent mementos.
Still, we have been so well-indoctrinated that this misconception – that children equal immortality – yields a baby boom in each post war period. Having been existentially threatened, people multiply in the vain belief that they thus best protect their genetic heritage and their memory.
Let’s study another explanation.
The utilitarian view is that one’s offspring are an asset – kind of pension plan and insurance policy rolled into one. Children are still treated as a yielding property in many parts of the world. They plough fields and do menial jobs very effectively. People “hedge their bets” by bringing multiple copies of themselves to the world. Indeed, as infant mortality plunges – in the better-educated, higher income parts of the world – so does fecundity.
In the Western world, though, children have long ceased to be a profitable proposition. At present, they are more of an economic drag and a liability. Many continue to live with their parents into their thirties and consume the family’s savings in college tuition, sumptuous weddings, expensive divorces, and parasitic habits. Alternatively, increasing mobility breaks families apart at an early stage. Either way, children are not longer the founts of emotional sustenance and monetary support they allegedly used to be.
How about this one then:
Procreation serves to preserve the cohesiveness of the family nucleus. It further bonds father to mother and strengthens the ties between siblings. Or is it the other way around and a cohesive and warm family is conductive to reproduction?
Both statements, alas, are false.
Stable and functional families sport far fewer children than abnormal or dysfunctional ones. Between one third and one half of all children are born in single parent or in other non-traditional, non-nuclear – typically poor and under-educated – households. In such families children are mostly born unwanted and unwelcome – the sad outcomes of accidents and mishaps, wrong fertility planning, lust gone awry and misguided turns of events.
The more sexually active people are and the less safe their desirous exploits – the more they are likely to end up with a bundle of joy (the American saccharine expression for a newborn). Many children are the results of sexual ignorance, bad timing, and a vigorous and undisciplined sexual drive among teenagers, the poor, and the less educated.
Still, there is no denying that most people want their kids and love them. They are attached to them and experience grief and bereavement when they die, depart, or are sick. Most parents find parenthood emotionally fulfilling, happiness-inducing, and highly satisfying. This pertains even to unplanned and initially unwanted new arrivals.
Could this be the missing link? Do fatherhood and motherhood revolve around self-gratification? Does it all boil down to the pleasure principle?
Childrearing may, indeed, be habit forming. Nine months of pregnancy and a host of social positive reinforcements and expectations condition the parents to do the job. Still, a living tot is nothing like the abstract concept. Babies cry, soil themselves and their environment, stink, and severely disrupt the lives of their parents. Nothing too enticing here.
One’s spawns are a risky venture. So many things can and do go wrong. So few expectations, wishes, and dreams are realized. So much pain is inflicted on the parents. And then the child runs off and his procreators are left to face the “empty nest”. The emotional “returns” on a child are rarely commensurate with the magnitude of the investment.
Sherlock Holmes was fond of saying: “If you eliminate the impossible, what is left – however improbable – must be the truth”. People multiply because it provides them with narcissistic supply.
A Narcissist is a person who projects a (false) image unto others and uses the interest this generates to regulate a labile and grandiose sense of self-worth. The reactions garnered by the narcissist – attention, unconditional acceptance, adulation, admiration, affirmation – are collectively known as “narcissistic supply”. The narcissist objectifies people and treats them as mere instruments of gratification.
Infants go through a phase of unbridled fantasy, tyrannical behavior, and perceived omnipotence. An adult narcissist, in other words, is still stuck in his “terrible twos” and is possessed with the emotional maturity of a toddler. To some degree, we are all narcissists. Yet, as we grow, we learn to empathize and to love ourselves and others.
This edifice of maturity is severely tested by newfound parenthood.
Babies evoke in the parent the most primordial drives, protective, animalistic instincts, the desire to merge with the newborn and a sense of terror generated by such a desire (a fear of vanishing and of being assimilated). Neonates engender in their parents an emotional regression.
The parents find themselves revisiting their own childhood even as they care for the newborn. The crumbling of decades and layers of personal growth is accompanied by a resurgence of the aforementioned early infancy narcissistic defenses. Parents – especially new ones – are gradually transformed into narcissists by this encounter and find in their children the perfect sources of narcissistic supply, euphemistically known as love. Really it is a form of symbiotic codependence of both parties.
Even the most balanced, most mature, most psychodynamically stable of parents finds such a flood of narcissistic supply irresistible and addictive. It enhances his or her self-confidence, buttresses self esteem, regulates the sense of self-worth, and projects a complimentary image of the parent to himself or herself. It fast becomes indispensable, especially in the emotionally vulnerable position in which the parent finds herself, with the reawakening and repetition of all the unresolved conflicts that she had had with her own parents.
This is especially true when the parents hold the Victorian attitude that they are and should at all times appear to be infallible, impeccably virtuous, and omniscient. Later in life, the child’s discovery that these representations are false leads to a harrowing, bitter, and traumatic disillusionment coupled with recriminations and regrets aplenty – not unlike the breakups of interpersonal relationships with adult malignant narcissists.
If this theory is true, if breeding is merely about securing prime quality narcissistic supply, then the higher the self confidence, the self esteem, the self worth of the parent, the clearer and more realistic his self image, and the more abundant his other sources of narcissistic supply – the fewer children he will have. These predictions are borne out by reality.
The higher the education and the income of adults – and, consequently, the firmer their sense of self worth – the fewer children they have. Children are perceived as counter-productive: not only is their output (narcissistic supply) redundant, they hinder the parent’s professional and pecuniary progress.
The more children people can economically afford – the fewer they have. This gives the lie to the Selfish Gene hypothesis. The more educated they are, the more they know about the world and about themselves, the less they seek to procreate. The more advanced the civilization, the more efforts it invests in preventing the birth of children. Contraceptives, family planning, and abortions are typical of affluent, well informed societies.
The more plentiful the narcissistic supply afforded by other sources – the lesser the emphasis on breeding. Freud described the mechanism of sublimation: the sex drive, the Eros (libido), can be “converted”, “sublimated” into other activities. All the sublimatory channels – politics and art, for instance – are narcissistic and yield narcissistic supply. They render children superfluous. Creative people have fewer children than the average or none at all. This is because they are narcissistically self sufficient.
The key to our determination to have children is our wish to experience the same unconditional love that we received from our mothers, this intoxicating feeling of being adored without caveats, for what we are, with no limits, reservations, or calculations. This is the most powerful, crystallized form of narcissistic supply. It nourishes our self-love, self worth and self-confidence. It infuses us with feelings of omnipotence and omniscience. In these and other respects, parenthood is a return to infancy.
In the film “Lucy”, a distinguished scientist proposes that organisms in hostile environments opt for “immortality” while those ensconced in friendly habitats “choose” reproduction as species-wide survival strategies. The opposite is true: when the habitat is welcoming and poses no existential threats, organisms adapt by becoming “immortal” (usually via cloning.) Bacteria and viruses come to mind.
It is when the environment turns nasty and brutish – and thereby short – that life-forms engage in diversity-enhancing sexual reproduction. Parenthood is a defense mechanism and an insurance policy against the more ominous and unsavoury aspects of life, not an affirmation of its blessings. It is intended to conquer time itself, to defeat death, and to render our immanent mortality immaterial.
Parenting as a Moral Obligation
Judging by the panoply of pro-family policies, society feels obligated to assist parents in the tasks of parenthood and child-rearing. Parents are perceived to be society’s long arm, its agents, the conduit for its perpetuation and future preservation: genetic as well as cultural. To some extent, the institutions of marriage, family, and socialization (upbringing) are all “national” and public as much as they are private. Indeed, a substantial portion of the hitherto parental decision-making process and a good great number of heretofore domestic decisions have been expropriated by the state: from vaccines to education.
Do we have a moral obligation to become parents? Some would say: yes. There are three types of arguments to support such a contention:
(i) We owe it to humanity at large to propagate the species or to society to provide manpower for future tasks
(ii) We owe it to ourselves to realize our full potential as human beings and as males or females by becoming parents
(iii) We owe it to our unborn children to give them life.
The first two arguments are easy to dispense with. We have a minimal moral obligation to humanity and society and that is to conduct ourselves so as not to harm others. All other ethical edicts are either derivative or spurious. Similarly, we have a minimal moral obligation to ourselves and that is to be happy (while not harming others). If bringing children to the world makes us happy, all for the better. If we would rather not procreate, it is perfectly within our rights not to do so.
But what about the third argument?
Only living people have rights. There is a debate whether an egg is a living person, but there can be no doubt that it exists. Its rights – whatever they are – derive from the fact that it exists and that it has the potential to develop life. The right to be brought to life (the right to become or to be) pertains to a yet non-alive entity and, therefore, is null and void. Had this right existed, it would have implied an obligation or duty to give life to the unborn and the not yet conceived. No such duty or obligation exist.
Jacobsen: If taking the broader concept of eudaimonia or generalized wellbeing as the evaluative criteria, how do parents do worse than the childless?
Vaknin:
Parents idealize their children in order to survive the childrearing ordeal. But the drain on resources – emotional, physical, and financial – is very substantial. Parents often do sacrifice themselves and their lives for their children. Having children restricts mobility, impacts career choice, constricts socializaing, and otherwise has an adverse impact on the parental quality of life.
Numerous studies clearly show that childless people are happier and more self-actualized than parents are.
Jacobsen: How do consumerism and capitalism play off one another?
Vaknin:
Capitalism is an ideology that serves to justify free markets. It is ostensibly comprised of meritocracy, level playing field (rule of law), and frictionless markets with few market failures.
But capitalism is founded on permanent growth fueled by consumption and the investment required to meet its demands. This is where the paradigm fails as it conflicts head on with scarcity.
Jacobsen: What do consumerism and capitalism replace in the lives of individuals in countries largely beholden to the ideologies?
Vaknin:
Consumer goods are love substitutes. Shopping sprees are retail therapy. Consumers are interpellated by advertising and made to equate consumption with happiness.
Consumer goods serve multiple psychological and social needs: relative positioning (as status symbols), anxiolytics (possessing goods reduces anxiety because it is perceived as enhancing self-efficacy and agency), grandiosity-buttressing, and self-soothing, to mention just a few.
Jacobsen: Eventually, how do consumerism and capitalism lead to atomization and loneliness?
Vaknin:
They do. Money and the things money can buy displace the pleasure offered by the company or sex of others. We also tend to objectify and commoditize other people, convert them into consumer goods, in effect: we use them and discard them or replace them with newer versions.
This leads to atomization, alienation, and malignant, solipsistic self-sufficiency.
Jacobsen: Why are these three topics the most controversial, in your opinion?
Vaknin:
Because we tend to deny them, sweep them under the carpet. Incest is way more widespread than we pretend. Consumerism has uprooted human relations and yet we worship it and its idols, the entrepreneurs. Parenting sucks: one third of mothers suffer from post-partum depression and yet we keep lying to ourselves that the parenting model requires no tinkering (for example by implementing collective care such as in the kibbutzim of yore).
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Prof. Vaknin.
Vaknin: Always much obliged, Scott.
9. Ask The Expert (Psy Room) Interview
• What is your profession? (describe your title and what you do)
I am a former professor of psychology, an author of books about personality disorders, and a mental health counsellor (not a therapist).
• What is a lesser-known/unusual aspect of your job that the public/average person wouldn’t expect?
There is a tsunami of mental illness submerging the entire world. The pandemic catalyzed and accelerated this trend. Working in the frontlines of this war, trying to turn back the tide, is very corroding and vicariously traumatizing. It is no different to other medical specialties. It leads to depression, anxiety, and burnout.
• What has been one of the biggest challenges for you, working in your role?
How to balance the grim and hopeless realities of most mental illness with the hopeful but counterfactual message of healing. The truth is: we suck at helping people. Another truth: most people cannot be helped. But political correctness and the commercial imperatives of the self-help industry inhibit the truth.
• What has been your biggest win in this role?
I was the first to describe narcissistic abuse in the 1990s. I also coined most of the language in use today in discussions about pathological narcissism and the its deleterious aftermath.
• What is something society/the government/the public should know, or seek to change, regarding your field of work? (something positive or negative)
We should adopt a holistic view of health. Body and mind are intertwined in continuous feedback loops. Most mental health issues are relational: they reflect the dysfunctional dynamics of anomic societies and crumbling relationships. We need to heal communities and families, rather than individuals.
• Something you wish you knew before starting on this career path?
The field is infested with con artists, scammers, self-styled “experts”, mentally ill people who “coach” and “educate” others, and scavenging plagiarists. The extent of misinformation online is staggering. Money has corrupted every niche and participant in this ecosystem of mental health. Had I known that it will come to this, I would have remained in my original field (physics).
• Something you’d tell your younger self?
Stay away from women. Modern women are undergoing an identity crisis that is rendering them dysregulated, narcissistic, and dangerously psychopathic. And, yes, I feel absolutely comfortable and confident to generalize in this case.
• Why do you do what you do?
I am active in multiple intellectual fields. I like the attention and the money that I garner (though all my content is freely available online).
• One piece of key insider information?
People uncritically and indolently believe 90% of what they hear.
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Jacobsen: Is high intelligence required for true genius?
Vaknin: If by intelligence you mean IQ then the answer is a resounding no. The adage about perspiration and inspiration applies. But, more importantly, genius is the ability to see familiar things in a fresh, unprecedented way. Imagination, intuition, and the ability to tell apart the critical from the tangential are the core constituents of genius – not intelligence.
What intelligence does contribute to genius is alacrity. It is a catalyst. It speeds up both the processes of theorizing and of discovery.
Jacobsen: What happens to an insane person who happens to have high intelligence too?
Vaknin: He is likely to construct theories that will pass for genius, especially among laymen. The intelligence of the gifted madman serves to camouflage the lack of rigor and the delusional, counterfactual content of his creations. Rather than catalyze disruptive discoveries, his intellect works overtime at the service of aggressively defending a manifestly risible sleight of hand. It is not open to any modificatory feedback from the environment. The madman’s intellect is solipsistic and moribund.
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Anything that endows an individual with a comparative advantage at performing a complex task constitutes intelligence. In this sense, viruses reify intelligence, they are intelligent. Human intelligence, though, is versatile and the tasks are usually far more complex than anything a virus might need to tackle.
Jacobsen: What defines IQ or Intelligence Quotient?
Vaknin:
The ability to perform a set of mostly – but not only – analytical assignments corresponding to an age-appropriate average. So, if a 10 year old copes well with the tasks that are the bread and butter of an 18 years old, he scores 180 IQ.
IQ measures an exceedingly narrow set of skills and mental functions. There are many types of intelligence – for example: musical intelligence – not captured by any IQ test.
Jacobsen: What defines giftedness, to you? Even though, formal definitions exist.[8]
Vaknin:
Giftedness resembles autism very much: it is the ability to accomplish tasks inordinately well or fast by focusing on them to the exclusion of all else and by mobilizing all the mental resources at the disposal of the gifted person.
Obviously, people gravitate to what they do well. Gifted people have certain propensities and talents to start with and these probably reflect brain abnormalities of one kind or another.
Jacobsen: Inter-relating the previous three questions, what separates intelligence from IQ from giftedness, i.e., separates each from one another?
Vaknin:
IQ is a narrow measure of highly specific types of intelligence and is not necessarily related to giftedness. Gifted people invest themselves with a laser-focus to effect change in their environment conducive to the speedy completion of highly specific tasks.
Jacobsen: What defines genius?
Vaknin:
Genius is the ability to discern two things: 1. What is missing (lacunas) 2. Synoptic connections.
The genius surveys the world and completes it by conjuring up novelty (i.e., by creating). S/he also spots hidden relatedness between ostensibly disparate phenomena or data.
Read the rest of the interview on the News Intervention website.
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Sam Vaknin ( https://samvak.tripod.com/mediakit.html ) is the author of Malignant Self-love: Narcissism Revisited as well as many other books and ebooks about topics in psychology, relationships, philosophy, economics, international affairs, and award-winning short fiction.
He is Visiting Professor of Psychology, Southern Federal University, Rostov-on-Don, Russia and Professor of Finance and Psychology in SIAS-CIAPS (Centre for International Advanced and Professional Studies).
Questions:
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Our focus today is the proposal of “nothingness” in a specific sense by you. To start in negation, what is not “nothingness,” in your sense?
Professor Sam Vaknin:
Nothingness is not about being a nobody and doing nothing. It is not about self-negation, self-denial, idleness, fatalism, or surrender.
Jacobsen: Following from the previous question, what is nothingness?
Vaknin:
Nothingness is about choosing to be human, not a lobster. It is about putting firm boundaries between you and the world. It is about choosing happiness – not dominance. It is accomplishing from within, not from without. It is about not letting others regulate your emotions, moods, and thinking. It is about being an authentic YOU.
Jacobsen: How does this nothingness connect to Neo-Daoism and Buddhism?
Vaknin:
It would be best to watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8ePaN70SyM&t=1s
Jacobsen: We live, as many know, in an era of narcissism. You brought this issue to light in 1995, particularly pathological narcissism. What are the roots of the ongoing rise in individual and collective narcissism?
Vaknin:
The need to be seen and noticed in an overcrowded and terrifyingly atomized world. Ironically, narcissism is a cry for help, a desperate attempt to reconnect. There is no such thing as an “individual”: we are all the products of our interactions with others (object relations). But, increasingly, technology is rendering us self-sufficient and isolated. So, our social instincts metastasize into narcissism: dominance and hierarchy replace sharing and networking.
Jacobsen: How does one choose happiness over dominance, authenticity over being fake, and humanity rather than lobster-kind, with this form of nothingness?
Vaknin:
We need to choose happiness over dominance (be human, not a lobster); Choose Meaning over complexity; Choose fuzziness, incompleteness, imperfection, uncertainty, and unpredictability (in short: choose life) over illusory and fallacious order, structure, rules, and perfection imposed on reality (in short: death); Choose the path over any destination, the journey over any goal, the process over any outcome, the questions over any answers Be an authentic person with a single inner voice, proud of the internal, not the external.
Jacobsen: What is the importance of living a life worth remembering in the philosophy of nothingness?
Vaknin:
Identity depends on having a continuous memory of a life fully lived and actualized. At the end of it all, if your life were a movie, would you want to watch it from beginning to end? Nothingness consists of directing your life in accordance with an idiosyncratic autobiographical script: yours, no one else’s. Being authentic means becoming the single story which only you can tell.
Jacobsen: What type of personality or person can accept nothingness in its fullest sense?
Vaknin:
Only those who are grandiose are incapable of Nothingness. Grandiosity is the illusion that one is godlike and, therefore, encompasses everything and everyone. Grandiosity, therefore, precludes authenticity because it outsources one’s identity and renders it reliant on input from others (hive mind).
Jacobsen: How is nothingness an antidote to narcissism?
Vaknin:
Narcissism is ersatz, the only self is false, others are instrumentalized and used to regulate one’s sense of faux cohering oneness. Nothingness is echt, harking back to the only true, authentic voice, eliminating all other introjects, not using others to regulate one’s internal psychological landscape. Narcissism is alienation, it interpellates in a society of the spectacle. Nothingness gives rise to true intimacy.
Jacobsen: What is the ultimate wisdom in the philosophy of nothingness?
Vaknin:
Identify the only voice inside you that is truly you. Peel the onion until nothing is left behind but its smell. Rid yourself of introjected socialization. Become.
Jacobsen: Then, to conclude, what is the motto or catchphrase of nothingness in this sense?
Vaknin:
Do unto yourself what you want others to do to you.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Professor Vaknin.
Vaknin: Much obliged for having me. Always a pleasure.
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Interview with David Rand, President of Atheist Freethinkers, Scott Jacobsen, 2017-08-03
Some excerpts from the above interview:
Undoubtedly the greatest threat for atheists is politicised religion, when religion obtains political power. This is most obvious when that power is exercised by Islamists, who promote a medieval theocratic totalitarianism. However political Christianity remains very dangerous, for example in sub-Saharan Africa, the United States and Poland. The current pope is a silver-tongued obscurantist. […]
I must also point out that one of the greatest threats to secularism (and hence indirectly threatening atheists) in the current political climate is the so-called “regressive left” (I am not satisfied with that term, but have yet to find a better one) which is ferociously anti-secular – so much so that regressive “leftists” tend to demonise secularism by falsely associating it with racism and xenophobia. […]
On the educational front, I would say that our greatest strength is our criticism of communitarianism (a.k.a. multiculturalism) and its extremely deleterious effect on any movement towards secularisation. Being based in Montreal, we are acutely aware of this dynamic. The infamous “two solitudes” must be taken into account in order to understand the fight for secularism in Canada. […]
[…] we must organise and unite on issues we share with other atheists: that is, an uncompromising criticism of religion, recognising that supernatural religious beliefs are utter nonsense, unworthy of our respect. Just as believers have a right to practice their religion, we non-believers have every right to live without having others’ beliefs shoved down our throats. But we must also ally with others who may not identify as atheists in order to promote secularism, which means that believers too would be protected from the religious excesses of their co-religionists and of those who follow other religions.
[…] we must continue (and here is some good news) what atheists have already undertaken with enthusiasm: the analysis, criticism and deconstruction of religious beliefs, dogmas and practices in order to become stronger in our resistance to the ever-present and sometimes overwhelming religious propaganda that floods our society. But that criticism must not stop with Christianity. We must be just as critical of other religions such as Islam, Sikhism, Hinduism, etc., which are minority religions in Canada.
The immediate future looks bleak. […] But in the longer term I am more optimistic. I think the current outbreak of religious fanaticism is part of the death throes of religion. The treachery of religious institutions and the utter vacuity of the extravagant nonsense they promote are becoming increasingly obvious to more and more people. […]
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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What was family background — geography, culture, language, religion/irreligion, and education?
Gary McLelland: Hi Scott. I grew up in a small town outside of Glasgow on the west coast of Scotland. It was a happy childhood. I was also fortunate to have family in a small village in the north west coast of Scotland called Arisaig, where I spent most of my summer, Christmas and Easter holidays. It’s a stunningly beautiful village surrounded by some of the most majestic highland landscapes, and tranquil beaches. I still try to return for a few days each summer and feel very lucky to have such warm memories of that place from when I was young.
I was raised as a Catholic, and attended Catholic schools. The Church had a fairly important place in my family life. Whist the place of the Church was important, for rites of passage, celebrations and school life, my family was never overly-religious, and were (and still are) socially progressive and open-minded.
My experiences with religion when I was young was fairly positive. I enjoyed the ritual and community aspects of Church, and the sense of ‘belonging’ felt very positive. I was probably more religious than most young teenagers my age, I would attend Mass and take part in other Church events fairly frequently until my mid-teens.
In my late teens I began to have doubts about my beliefs. Not my beliefs per se, but I knew that people smarter than me, with more worldly experience had rejected religion. So I felt it was strange that I seemed to have such a rigid idea about something which so many people had differing opinions about. Eventually I rejected religion, not an easy process — but eventually I embraced atheism and eventually humanism.
I felt angry — angry that the state-funded education system allowed, even encouraged me, to follow one particular belief system. I don’t want to exaggerate the situation, I received a very good education, at a very good school, but I was never exposed to any views, beliefs or philosophy which challenged my religious beliefs. I feel so angry that this system is allowed to continue.
It was this that inspired me to get involved in secularist and humanist campaigning.
Jacobsen: You joined IHEU in February, 2017. You are the chief executive for IHEU. What have been some of the more startling developments in the IHEU community, even in your short time there? What have you found out about the community and the things that we are dealing with?
McLelland: I have been made to feel very welcome by everyone in the international humanist community since beginning in February. I want to be very open and accessible, and hope that folk feel like they can get in touch with me, to offer ideas, ask for support or have a moan.
We are clearly seeing an increase in divisive politics all around the world at the moment. Populist leaders of the far left and right try to divide and enrage people against each other, appealing to the basest of our emotions and fears. This is clearly a concern for those of us who try to live inclusive, ethical lives based on reason.
And of course IHEU continues to receive a steady amount of request for support from people who are in high risk areas such as Pakistan and Bangladesh. This is one of the most challenging aspects of the work that IHEU does. To help support this work we launched a global crowdfunding campaign to raise money for helping humanists at risk (https://www.gofundme.com/protect-humanists-at-risk) and hope that as many people as possible can help support it.
Jacobsen: What have been some of the more heartening developments of the organization for you?
McLelland: Without doubt the most heartening aspect so far has been the reception by the amazing IHEU staff team. It amazes most people to learn that IHEU only has four member of staff! We are lucky to have such a dedicated, hardworking and smart team of staff.
The major development has been the start of our new Growth and Development programme. This is a series of targeted support, funding and activities which are going to be rolled out over the next three years to support new and smaller humanist groups in Latin America, Africa and Asia.
There is a lot more we can do to support and promote new humanist organisations in these regions, and we are working hard to do it. In order to do this we need resources, money. We’re lucky to have so many big Member Organisations which help fund the work of IHEU through their annual fees. I have high hopes that we will be able to find other funding bodies to help support this work as well.
Jacobsen: As the chief executive, what tasks and responsibilities come with this position?
McLelland: As the Chief Executive I am responsible for the day-to-day running of the organisation, and report to the Board 5 or 6 times per year to update them on the progress being made. It’s my job to make sure that the strategic aims and objectives of the organisation, which are set by the General Assembly and the Board, are acted upon in most effective way.
This means ensuring that our team of staff and volunteers and well managed and understand their place in the plan. It also means ensuring that we meet all our financial and legal responsibilities in the UK and USA (where we are registered).
One of the most important parts of my job is communicating with our members and supporters around the world, to communicate the work of IHEU, and listen to concerns and suggestions from members of the community.
It’s a very interesting and stimulating job!
Jacobsen: Before this work, you were the head of communications and public affairs at the Humanist Society of Scotland (since 2013) and a director (this is a British term which means Board member) of the European Humanist Federation, and board member on the Scottish Joint Committee on Religious and Moral Education. What were the big takeaway experiences from these positions?
McLelland: That’s right. I was promoted to head of communications and public affairs after having joined the Humanist Society Scotland doing research and policy work on education. It was a wonderful job, during which time I helped to make some real progress in challenging the requirement to have religious worship in schools — something I’m glad to see the Society continue today.
In the European context I was always interested to learn about the similarities and differences within the humanist movement. Meeting other humanist colleagues from different countries is a really good way to get appreciation of the breadth and diversity of our movement. That’s one reason why I want to see IHEU offer more support to less well-off organisations to fund delegates to our conferences in the future.
My work on the Scottish Joint Committee was interesting, I was the first ever humanist to be appointed! The Committee’s work is mainly as a lobby group of religion and belief interest groups, with teachers and union leaders. It seeks to promote the subject of Religious and Moral Education (which is a very progressive curriculum) and develop it.
My main takeaway from these experiences is understanding the difference between tactical and strategic aims. Joining the Scottish Joint Committee will be an unpopular move for some, seeing it as ‘buying into the system’ rather than seeking reform. However, I believe that in some cases it is more beneficial to our strategic aims (secular education) to also be involved in areas that might not immediately achieve them.
Jacobsen: In addition, you did some humanist campaigning, and worked for the Mercy Corps European headquarters in Edinburgh. What were the tasks and responsibilities in these positions? What is humanist campaigning?
McLelland: My work at Mercy Corps was on a global citizenship project which sought to find youth leaders who have an interest in international development. The idea was that by bringing these youth leaders together with counterparts from Gaza, the USA, Jordan and other countries — we could share skills and experiences. We wanted to help promote and nourish youth leaders, with a view to developing the idea of global citizenship.
I was also active in humanist campaigning before working for a humanist organisation. I has a particular interest in dialogue between religious and nonreligious people.
Jacobsen: How did these positions help prepare you for this one? What were the unique perspectives and skills development from them as well?
McLelland: Having a background in the humanist movement was a great advantage, I already knew a lot of people, and they knew me. This was a big help.
Having an understanding of both policy and also international development were both helpful too. I would like to see IHEU work more with development work around the world. I think we have a key opportunity to help development organisations meet their aims through our vast network of members and supporters.
Jacobsen: Women’s rights, especially reproductive rights, in the world are under direct, and indirect, attack. How can grassroots activists, legal professionals, and educational professionals, and outreach officers in the humanist and ethical culture community fight to maintain those new and fragile rights from the historic norm of religious violations of women’s bodies?
McLelland: Yes, you’re right. The attack on women’s rights’ is a very worrying development. It goes without saying that we will always stand up for the woman’s right to choose, and defend and protect the rights of women.
You’re right to identify the different groups involved in this debate. I think it’s important to acknowledge that we all have different jobs — the job of lawyers is not the same as the job of an activist. What is important is that we both understand and acknowledge that, but also ensure that we talk to each other.
I am particularly interested in the academic research around religion and belief, in law, history and sociology. I think it is so important that our movement engages with researchers in these fields, in a real way though — more than just being research subjects. I think we have a lot to say, and also have to be present to argue against some misconceptions which can exist about our movement.
Jacobsen: You earned a BSc (Hons) in psychology with a diploma in childhood and youth studies. Your master’s dissertation is in progress. Why pursue the psychology degree? What was the research question and finding from the honors thesis?
McLelland: Yes — I have always had an interest in psychology. My interest grew into a passion when, after my deconversion, I read Freud’s ‘Future of an Illusion’. This fascinated me. After studying psychology for 4 years I came to understand the critiques of Freud and his methods — but I still believe that his opinions offer a really insightful view into the human mind, but more through a philosophical lense.
My main research for my undergraduate was on how individuals who identify as ‘liberal catholics’ make sense of their identity. I wanted to know how someone with liberal (pro-LGBTI, pro-choice, socially progressive) could identify with a belief system so closely associated with a conservative institution.
Jacobsen: What is the research question and tentative title to the master’s dissertation?
McLelland: I’m glad to say that I have now completed my master’s dissertation, on the question of “What would be the impact on the European Court of Human Rights’ jurisprudence on ‘blasphemy’ laws if it was to adopt the same approach as the United Nations?”
In my dissertation I argue that the European Court of Human Rights has developed an idea that the right to “freedom of religion and belief” should also include a right for religious people not to be offended. I compared this with the approach of the United Nations, which is much more progressive, and argued that the European Court should reform along the same lines as the United Nations.
Jacobsen: Who is a personal hero for you?
McLelland: It sounds cliched, but I’m genuinely humbled by all the amazing campaigners I meet within our movement. At this year’s General Assembly we gave an award to Dr Leo Igwe, an anti-witchcraft campaigner and founder of the Nigerian Humanist Movement, we also heard a speech from Narendra Nayak, an anti-superstition campaigner whose valuable work saw him targeted for assassination in India, also people like Kaja Bryx of the Polish Rationalists who despite having a full-time job is able to produce so much video material and interviews for the humanist movement, and also contribute as Vice-president of the European Humanist Federation.
It’s honestly a privilege and and honour to work with these dedicated and inspirational people.
Jacobsen: How can the human rights orientation prevent encroachment of standard religious privilege into societies, especially secular ones — and even further ones more prone to respecting women’s rights (in particular, reproductive rights)?
McLelland: Human rights is the framework through which IHEU seeks to engage with, and change, the laws and policies which affect our movement. The advantage of the human rights approach is that it is grounded in a secular and objective framework of law. Human rights takes the aim of increased material well-being as a presupposition — this leaves us then to debate the relative merits of different specific laws and policies to achieving this aim. So in this sense, human rights is the most effective way to address the threats you mention.
There are, broadly, two risks to this approach though. Firstly there is the threat from reactionary nationalism; we see across the world now populist leader emerging who want to tear down the idea of universal values, global citizenship and internationalism. The threat is that the delicate human rights framework falls down with it, or loses its authority as a moral leader.
The second risk is postmodern relativism; I see an increasing trend within sociologists of religion a desire to unpack and reexamine arguments which our movement takes as read. This includes the positive value of the enlightenment, a trust in rationalism and the idea of secularism as tools for the orderly and productive structuring of public life. The risk here is that we must be ready to make our arguments for secularism, freedom of religion and belief and enlightenment values in a way that I’m not sure many of us are.
Jacobsen: What is your main concern for IHEU moving forward into 2017–2020? How about into the next decades?
McLelland: What I am confident is about is that we have the right people, the right ideas and the plans to carry them out. What concerns me is that we don’t have the resources to make them happen.
Our members pay an annual fee which largely funds the work of IHEU. However, if we want to build our capacity and increase our activities we need to find more sources of funding and support. This will be a key focus for me in the coming months and years.
Thinking ahead further, there is a need for our movement to be bold and take leadership in a number of areas. We are lucky to have within our movement incredibly bright people, and I would hope to see them lead with ethical and practical comments on issues such as; work automation, artificial intelligence, environmentalism and challenging populism.
Jacobsen: What are the future prospects for the fight for the most vulnerable among us and their rights being implemented, such as women and children (globally speaking), because — as we both know — there are some powerful and well-financed people and groups who hold rights in contempt of the advancement of their theocratic endeavours?
McLelland: I think the future prospects are good. Bearing in mind the threats I mentioned above, there is progress being made. Our movement also has a role to play in ensuring that liberal religious reformers, non-conformists and heretics are defended and protects, as it’s through these internal debates and discussions in religious movements that progress can be made.
I also think we have a lot more to do in relation to the rights of children. Too often the rights of children are completely overridden by the wishes of parents — I’m thinking here particularly of the issue of prayers at school and other religious issues.
Jacobsen: Any feelings or thoughts in conclusion?
McLelland: I am grateful for the chance to talk to you. It’s great to see how active IHEYO is these days, and I look forward to working with you all more.
Jacobsen: Thank you for your time today, Gary, that was fun.
McLelland: Thank you 🙂
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1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let’s start with the comprehensive interview at the natural starting point: the beginning. What is family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Robert Bwambale: I am a Ugandan by nationality, a native of Kasese district in western Uganda, I am Mukonzo by tribe, who live on the slopes of Mount Rwenzori. Our ancestral origin is in Eastern Congo. We speak Lhukonzo, which is among the Bantu-speaking languages. Before I lost my faith, I was originally an Anglican, tried to mingle with other religious communities to see what transpires on there. I had the chance of mingling with African traditional believers, Pentecostals, Adventists, Muslims, Catholics and these moments gave me a full insight on what religion is and this paved the way to me losing the faith.
2. Jacobsen: What were the pivotal moments in childhood? Those coming to mind for you.
Bwambale: When my mum dumped and abandoned us before our dad passed on.
Some good moments with my dad, we used to move together with him.
When I lost my dad, by then, was 5 years.
My times with my caring grandmother. She used to encourage us to pray and go to church. She was a devoted Anglican. She used to sell porridge and pancakes in a local market.
Good moments when I joined secondary school, from village life to town life.
Sad moments when I dropped out of school, was on the streets doing odd jobs for two years.
Back to school moments, from town school to a village school.
3. Jacobsen: What were the pivotal moments in adolescence? Those coming to mind for you.
Bwambale: I joined good pear groups where I did odd jobs, selling newspapers & magazines on Kampala streets, Made money sweeping outdoor markets in Kampala, worked as a caddie at Uganda golf club where we used to carry bags or pull trolleys of golfers as they play the game and were paid at each end of game.
I created friends with the opposite sex and made choices on whom to be my friends plus people to associate with.
I learned some skills in haircutting.
4. Jacobsen: When transitioning into young adulthood, how did the religious community continue to enforce an impact on physical space and mental life?
Bwambale: As I grew into young adulthood, I felt more attached to religious communities and was very active in their circles. I was confirmed as a Christian in the early years when I was in Senior 3 at Karambi Secondary School.
When I joined Rwenzori High School for high school, I became an active member of the Scripture Union. I attended service regularly and was much moved because everyone around me was taking religion seriously, but my senses were telling me to research more about beliefs.
When I joined Uganda Polytechnic Kyambogo, I used to pray at Kampala Pentecostal church and was a regular visitor there. At the college, I used to fellowship with Kyambogo Christian Union and enjoyed the prayer and worship moments.
As someone who was doing Biological sciences at the college, my urge to ask questions widened and would ask men and women of god some questions regarding faith, religion plus what I read in the Bible. I realized that the Bible is a mixture of words of comfort, confusion, hate, discrimination and total malice.
5.Jacobsen: Were there some important individuals who provided a means by which to exit the entrapments of religion for you?
Bwambale: There is none. Exiting religion was my personal choice and decision.
Jacobsen: How did you begin helping out others in leaving religious fundamentalism?
Bwambale: By enlightening them about the goodness of rational living by availing to them books on Humanism, Atheism, science, and freethinking.
Creating a library with books on beliefs, non-belief, and important personalities in the world of free thought.
Opening up schools and businesses that cherish humanism and science.
6. Jacobsen: Dr. Leo Igwe remarks on the importance of his mother and father in Nigeria as the best example of Humanism to him, not declarations – of which humanists are prone to make – or books on Humanism. Life was tough, living day-by-day, and the work to grind in, and out, of poverty was harsh and necessary. Taking a stand, taking charge of his destiny, and working to become the founder of the Nigerian Humanist movement, who have been some of the best examples of Humanism to you?
Bwambale: Works by Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, David Mills, Madelyn O’Hair, Robert Ingersoll, and Bertrand Russell inspired me a lot.
7. Jacobsen: Why was the Kasese Humanist educational system developed in the first place? How has this developed over the last, almost, a decade?
Bwambale: Our strong commitment and dedication to service is a great factor for our development.
The strong bond of Kasese humanist school with the international community support in the form of material and financial donations gives a great boost to our success.
The visionary efforts of myself in ensuring any penny donated goes to where it’s required has added value to our works.
My fundraising skills of availing to the general public what I do by documenting all of my works online makes people see what I do and gives chance to the generous ones to give funds, ideas or advice.
The need for an alternative to religious bigotry is one other key point. People are losing their faiths steadily globally, gone are the days of lying to humanity, feeding humanity with superstitions. You can fool people, but this can’t go on all the time. So, to some, they see some kind of hope in secularism since it only airs out facts, science, and encourages evidence-based learning.
We have developed from a rented property in 2011 to our own home acquired 3 years after (2014) at the Rukoki site.
We expanded and constructed on our other home in Muhokya often referred to as the Bizoha School.
We extended to creating another school at the land we acquired at the Kahendero Fishing village.
We right now have Nursery & Primary at all the campuses and a secondary school added at our Rukoki campus.
8. Jacobsen: What is considered the standard religious curriculum in Uganda?
Bwambale: In this kind of curriculum only two religions are taught, Islam and Christianity and a student is made to pick a particular religion to undertake and exams come on in that format where a student is made to choose to attempt only one religion.
9. Jacobsen: What is considered the standard Humanist curriculum for Kasese?
Bwambale: There are some lessons on Humanism, its history, humanist values, human rights, critical thinking lessons, documentaries on secularism, Evolution, secularism in the world. There is nothing like a standard humanist curriculum, it’s a mixture of several things all aimed at empowering our students with secular thinking.
10. Jacobsen: Relating the last two questions, how do these two systems compare and contrast with one another?
Bwambale: A humanist curriculum is broader than the standard religious curriculum
The humanist curriculum is livelier and enjoyed by learners since it involves daily things they see, find, or encounter in life.
There is no indoctrination in a humanist curriculum and there is always a chance to ask any questions.
There are no tenets, imaginaries, rituals or mention of god, gods, and spirits under the humanist curriculum, unlike the religious curriculums.
There is a limit of asking questions under religious curriculum while under humanist curriculums we encourage students to ask as many questions and get factual answers.
11. Jacobsen: If we look at those two educational curricula, or if we look at similar comparisons in Uganda, what educational curricula – and, indeed, system – produces better outcomes and life chances for the pupils or the students?
Bwambale: It should be noted that at the school we teach the national curriculum and we spice it with humanist curricula and the spiced version is the best for it gives children a wider scope to broaden their level of thinking and the way they look at things.
12. Jacobsen: What is the prejudice against Humanist schools there?
Bwambale: That we are devil worshippers.
Agents of Satan.
We go under deep seas to get money or wealth.
That we perform rituals to get fortunes.
That our children at the schools are possessed by evil spirits.
That we are anti-Christ.
That we are sinners and will burn in hell.
That we don’t pray.
That we don’t know god.
That we shall rot and never come to life again.
That we shall burn in hell.
That there is no eternity for humanists.
That we are homosexuals.
13. Jacobsen: What is the prejudice against staff and students, and you, in Uganda as humanists?
Bwambale: As mentioned above!
14. Jacobsen: How do these prejudices impact students’ mental health and wellbeing?
Bwambale: The children’s mental health and wellbeing are unaffected since all these are ignorant statements and are a product of ignorance that we are fighting against.
However such statements sometimes hinder some parents or children to join our school project.
15. Jacobsen: What makes parents weary of paying for their students to take part in Humanist education? How do you overcome those barriers?
Bwambale: We sensitize and try as much to tell the parents what we offer and the truth about Humanism, Atheism, Science and rational thinking.
16. Jacobsen: Who are donors to the Kasese Humanist educational system?
Bwambale: Local parents, International parents inform of child sponsors, well wishers from all parts of the world and some charitable non-profits in several parts of the world.
17. Jacobsen: What are the amounts? How is the money being used now? How has it been used in the past?
Bwambale: The amounts keeps varying, donations are not flowing in regularly and are realized one by one.
Money is being used to construct classrooms, buy or make school furniture, Scholastic supplies, lab instruments and reagents, paying staff salaries, utility bills, government taxes, building toilets, purchasing solar & its accessories, water tanks, planting trees and maintaining school income generating projects.
18. Jacobsen: What are the plans for the schools if the same or more funding continues to enter the system?
Bwambale: Build better classrooms, well-equipped book libraries, School Science laboratories, built computer rooms and stocking them. Build more hostels, build on-campus restaurants, put better playing materials and educational resources for the kids. Decent toilet facilities.
Raising salaries for my teachers, so that they improve their wellbeing and be happy.
Enroll more needy and disadvantaged children, so that they are in school.
Put in place Administration office blocks at the schools this lacks at the moment.
Create more income-generating projects for self-reliance.
19. Jacobsen: What is Humanism to you?
Bwambale: Humanism is my everything, It teaches me that am special, I have the brains, I have my body and all it takes I have to use my potential as a human being to solve my problems.
Humanism is real, it teaches unity, love, harmony, kindness and care amongst us.
Humanism helps us to understand the known and the unknown
Humanism empowers Humanity to be good always.
Humanism encourages how to think and not what to think.
Humanism helps us to distinguish facts from fiction.
Humanism helps us to understand our origin, where we are and the final destination.
20. Jacobsen: Who have been important mentors for you? Who have been important role models now? Why them?
Bwambale: Christopher Hitchens, he pointed out that God is not great and his book inspired me.
Richard Dawkins’s works help us to understand how god thing is an invention by humans.
comparing outcomes from the different educational curricula; prejudice against Humanist schools; prejudice against staff, students, and Robert; prejudice’s impact on students’ mental health and wellbeing; donors to the Kasese Humanist educational system; amounts, finances, and uses of the monies; plans for the school; Humanism; important mentors and role models; recommended authors, organizations, or speakers; the success of Humanism in Uganda; humanists coming together;
21. Jacobsen: Any recommended authors, organizations, or speakers?
Bwambale: Carl Sagan, Richard Dawkins, David Mills, Barbara Smoker, Robert Ingersoll, Michael Parenti.
Favourite organizations:
Atheist Alliance International
Humanist Canada
Halton Peel Humanist Community
Atheist Community of San Jose
Victoria Humanists Australia
Freedom from Religion Foundation
Atheist Foundation of Australia
Foundation Beyond Belief
Humanist Global Charity
Rationalist Society of Australia
Humanist International
Speakers include: Henri Pellissier, Leo Igwe, Ricky Gervais, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Matt Dillahunty.
22. Jacobsen: Why has Uganda been such a success for Humanist organizations and, thus, Humanism as a whole?
Bwambale: I think this has been attributed to what we do. Most of the successful projects are the schools, nobody hates schools, we do have health clinics, we do create forests & edible gardens, We do engage in active farming, We do help vulnerable children, empower locals to get started economically and speak for the voiceless, we do attend to economic and social issues and we do air something on political situations and good governance. All these mentioned above are very important and the locals plus the government see no harm in what we are doing.
We stick to our core vision of spreading Humanism and explaining to masses what it means, what it entails and its benefits in empowering humanity, I think locals have identified that we have the facts. And we continue to expose the fictions which people if well explained to can see it too. So we are great ambassadors advocating for a better world.
23. Jacobsen: How have intra-national and inter-national/regional efforts worked over time? The coming together of humanists to combat significant issues of superstition, lack of science and human rights education, and more.
Bwambale: We do have an umbrella for Uganda humanists called Uganda Humanist Association that unites all humanist organizations in Uganda, other secular organizations prevail, we do have seminars, debates, conferences among ourselves and once in a while our country hosting some international conferences.
Some of our members do get invited to international conferences and there are human rights advocacy activists working around the clock to ensure human rights are respected and not violated.
24. Jacobsen: How has Humanists International been a guiding light in many ways and funder of Humanist projects?
Bwambale: Humanists International is doing good work in bringing humanist organizations together and helping out in raising a voice and helping out with funding. I have seen them fund some organizations, which is a good thing. I think they are doing some good work for us and the world.
We however still need more charities like Humanist International to work with Ugandan secular organizations in creating change.
Most humanist projects are still small and we need to put in more effort to make our projects grow. The struggle to achieve this is possible. We need to think big and invest in big initiatives as well.
25. Jacobsen: What are some other core issues needing tackling in Africa in a post-colonial (European-Christian and Arab-Muslims colonization) context for the most part? One in which the pre-colonial superstitions can infect some of the societies too, even while the values of Ubuntu/Unhu reflect core Humanist principles before forced, violent contact with European-Christians and Arab-Muslims in the history of Africa.
Bwambale: Good governance is still missing in Africa; corruption is a song of the day. Our leaders want to rule instead of leading, they want an ignorant population which is bad for the world.
Illiteracy is still high
Religion and politics still go hand in hand, be it in courts of law and in public places
Homophobia is a strong disease that urgently needs a cure.
A switch from Religion to Secularism is a great need for Africa to move forward.
Xenophobia should be discouraged, Africans should look at themselves as brothers and sisters and we should work and live in good harmony with each other. All people are the same, race, religion, political affiliation or sexual orientation is not an issue here.
26. Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Robert.
Bwambale: You are welcome.
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Marie Alena Castle is the communications director for Atheists for Human Rights. She was raised Roman Catholic, but became an atheist. She has been important to atheism, Minnesota Atheists, The Moral Atheist, National Organization of Women, and wrote Culture Wars: The Threat to Your Family and Your Freedom (2013). She has a lifetime of knowledge and activist experience, which I wanted to explore and crystallise in an educational series. Here are the results.
Scott Jacobsen: You have a lifetime of experience in atheism, women’s rights, and human rights. Of course, you were raised a Catholic, but this changed over the course of life. In fact, you have raised a number of children who became atheists themselves, and have been deeply involved in the issues on the political left around women’s rights and human rights.
To start this series, what has been the major impediment to the progress of women’s rights in the United States over the last 17 years?
Marie Alena Castle: It’s actually at least the last 40 years. In the U.S., control of women is no longer about the right to vote or pursue careers. Those battles have been won. What is left is the religious right’s last stand: women’s right to abortion and the ultimate control over their own bodies. An anti-women legislative agenda began and has been going on ever since the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v Wade decision.
Almost immediately, the U.S. Catholic Bishops established a Pastoral Plan for Pro-Life Activities that reached down to every Catholic parish in the country. The bishops recruited Catholic academics, journalists, and political commentators to disseminate “pro-life” propaganda. They drew in Protestant fundamentalists and provided them with leaders such as Jerry Falwell. They organized to get “pro-life” politicians elected at every political level and eventually took over the Republican party.
I was there and watched it happen. We Democratic feminists worked almost non-stop to prevent a similar takeover of the Democratic party and, thankfully, were successful. The “pro-life” campaign has never stopped. Over a thousand bills have been, and are, proposed at the state and federal level to restrict women’s access to contraceptives and abortion, as well as advantageous reproductive technologies that don’t conform to irrational religious doctrines.
(Stephen Mumford has documented this in full detail in his book, The Life and Death of NSSM 200, which describes how the Catholic Church prevented any action on a Nixon-era national security memorandum that warned of the dangers of overpopulation and advocated the accessibility of contraceptives and abortion.)
Jacobsen: Who do you consider the most important women’s rights and human rights activist in American history?
Castle: No contest. It’s Margaret Sanger, hands down. Many people have spoken out and worked for women’s rights throughout history, not just American history. But Sanger got us birth control. Without that, women remain slaves to nature’s reproductive mandate and can do little beyond producing and raising children.
This is often claimed to be a noble task. True enough. However, it always reminds me of the biblical story of Moses, who had the noble task of leading his people to the Promised Land, but because of some vague offense against Yahweh, he was condemned to see that Promised Land only from afar and never go there himself.
Women have raised children over the ages and have led them to the Promised Land of scientific achievements, Noble Prize Awards, academic honours, and so many others. But they – and their daughters – have seen that Promised Land only from afar and almost never allowed to go their themselves.
Sanger opened a path to that Promised Land by fighting to make contraceptives legal and available. The ability to control the time and circumstances of one’s childbearing has made the fight for women’s rights achievable in practical – not just philosophical – terms. She founded Planned Parenthood and we see how threatening that has been to the theocratic religious right. They can’t seem to pass – or try to pass – enough laws to hinder women’s ability to control their own bodies.
As for human rights in general, a good argument can be made that by freeing women – half of the human population – we free up everyone. As Robert Ingersoll said, “There will never be a generation of great men until there has been a generation of free women.”

Jacobsen: What is one of the more egregious public perceptions of atheists by the mainstream of the religious in America?
Castle: It’s that atheists have no moral compass and therefore cannot be trusted to behave in a civilized manner. No one ever comes up with any evidence for that. Most people in prison identify themselves as religious. Studies that rank levels of prejudice for racism, sexism, and homophobia show nonbelievers at the lowest end of the graph – generally below 10% – and evangelicals at the very highest – almost off the chart.
I’ve had religious people tell me it is religious beliefs that keep people, including themselves, from committing violent crimes. I tell them I hope they hang onto their beliefs because otherwise they would be a threat to public safety. As physicist Steven Weinberg said, “Good people will do good and evil people will do evil, but for good people to do evil, that takes religion.” I have known good and evil atheists and good and evil religionists, but the only time I have seen a good person do evil, it was due to a religious belief.
I have also observed that liberal religionists generally share the same humanitarian values as most atheists, but to have that moral sense they had to abandon traditional religious beliefs. There is a lot of evil in religious doctrines. The 10 Commandments are almost totally evil. Read them and the descriptions of the penalties that follow. Read the part about what you are to sacrifice to Yahweh – the firstborn of your livestock, your firstborn son… Yup, that’s what it says.
So they include don’t kill, steal or bear false witness. There is nothing new about that. It’s common civic virtue any community needs to function effectively. So religion promises a blissful afterlife. Ever stop to think what that might be like, forever and ever and ever and ever and ever? People believe that!? I so hope they’re wrong.
Jacobsen: Your life speaks to the convergence of atheism, women’s rights, and human rights activism. How do these, in your own mind, weave into a single activist thread? What is the smallest thing American citizens, and youth, can do to become involved in this fabric?
Castle: We all are what we are. I’m an activist because I can’t help myself. It’s who I am. Others would rather hang by their thumbs than do what I do. They like to get out in the yard and do gardening. You couldn’t pay me enough or threaten me enough to get me to do that. We should just try to be honest and compassionate and cut everyone some slack as long as no one is getting hurt. Live and let live.
We are a fragile species, making the best of our short life spans, stuck here on this hunk of rock circling a ball of flaming gas that could eject a solar flare at any time that wipes us out. Life is, as Shakespeare said, “full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” Just accept that. It’s reality. Just be decent and helpful and try not to hurt anyone. If that’s the limit of your activism, it’s still pretty good.
If you think it would be great to be able to do more and to be politically active but that is just not in your DNA, then settle for the next best thing: Find a political activist whose views you agree with and vote the way they tell you. That is the smallest thing you can do. If you did not vote in the last election you made yourself part of the problem and you see what we got. From now on, try to be part of the solution.
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Here is part 2 (of 2) of my interview with Scott Douglas Jacobsen of Canadian Atheist!
(Continued from part 1)
Jacobsen: How does materials science training help with developing a clearer picture of the world rather than one clouded by mystery assuming a form of non-technical operations to the world? I separate this form of mystery from an empirical mystery point of view standard in all or most great scientists, or the epithet used against some others as in “the New Mysterians.”
Host: The most important part of my Materials Science background has been learning critical thinking and logical skills, which are universal to the sciences and needed for avoiding common errors in thinking. These include treating evidence as more reliable than tradition, testing hypotheses (and especially being able to change one’s view if unsupported), looking for logical fallacies, and so on. A good overview of these can be seen in Carl Sagan’s “Baloney detection kit”.
Being aware of the most often abused ways to deceive people is especially important. There are too many to go into here, but one that I’ve seen a lot of, especially today, is when a single case is used to make a point, often hiding the real picture. For instance, a shared video of a single mild case of Covid-19 used to say that the whole pandemic isn’t a concern, or the voice of a black Trump supporter shown to suggest that most black people support Trump, or the case of someone who prayed and then their cancer went into remission, etc. An understanding of large and small numbers allows one to see how we are fooled and make responsible choices.
Though I personally learned these guidelines of clear thinking through science, they are much more universal than that. Nearly all of us need this to be beneficial to those around us, to ourselves, to wider society, and to future generations. These aren’t “just for scientists”. All of us make choices about our own medical care, our own lifestyle, our own votes for our leaders, our environment, how we teach the kids in our lives, etc. Clear thinking is essential for all of those and so much more.
These are at least as important today as ever. With a US president who routinely lies, pseudoscience appearing online and on the TV, and a rise in evidence denials such as the anti-vaxxer and flat-earth movements, our world needs clear thinking to reduce the damage around us.
Jacobsen: How have the working relationships with Michael Dowd and Connie Barlow developed into the present? Any particular fun and funny stories to share in the midst of collaboration?
Host: Sure! Once, we were recording an interview and suddenly Connie stopped Michael in mid-sentence. She said “wait, there – look! There’s a bald eagle going for fish on the lake!”. We turned and sure enough, there was an eagle who had swooped down to the lake surface and was working to regain altitude. We couldn’t tell if the eagle had a fish or not. Connie quipped “Yeah, life is tough not havin’ a home!” (they don’t have a permanent house, but rather are constantly travelling to different speaking engagements). We were recording the interview rather quickly before the rest of my family arrived, after which it would have been difficult due to my four rambunctious kids.
You can hear this interview (including the eagle part) here. It’s great for those of us interested in a naturalistic lifestyle. http://inspiringnaturalism.libsyn.com/4b_jon_cleland_host_it_s_all_really_there.
(the other interview recorded that day is also relevant for a naturalistic lifestyle) http://inspiringnaturalism.libsyn.com/4a_jon_cleland_host_inspiring_naturalism_for_families.
Jacobsen: You have 4 children. Can you clarify, please? What is “Universe-centered, Pagan, family spirituality”?
Host: Yes, let’s break that down.
“Universe-centered” – Focused on this real world, not on some imaginary afterlife, or any other supernatural idea. While this seems like a minor point (“why not live this life while imagining a possible heaven?”), it turns out that it’s a huge shift. If we are focused on this world, then we work to make this world better, instead of treating this world as unimportant, as one might do if they thought there were going to another world in a few short decades. If we are focused on this world, we work to make everyone’s life better, instead of trying to please this or that imaginary space ghost.
Pagan: We Pagans celebrate our Earth, its cycles, its seasons, and our universe. We do so often using the Wheel of the Year, the four directions, and Pagan metaphors, often in the Pagan community. The many practices we do have become a fulfilling part of my life, and covering all of them would be a book in itself. Here are some of them.
The Wheel of the Year: The Wheel of the Year is simply the calendar year mapped onto a circle, with 8 holidays. These are the Solstices, Equinoxes, Thermstices, and Equitherms (the peaks and midpoints of the yearly cycle of light and warmth). These are described in detail here, along with the specific celebrations we hold in our family. (https://humanisticpaganism.com/2015/03/09/starstuff-contemplating-our-powerful-sabbats-by-john-and-heather-cleland-host). We hold many of these in our stone circle – a place the has stones for the directions (the four cardinal points plus the directions halfway between them). Over time, repeatedly using this place as sacred has helped make it a special place for us all.
Ritual: We usually attend or hold a ritual for each holiday and at other times. These vary over a huge range. As humans, we feel more group energy with more people – at least more than just a single person, and over 10 is even better. Most of these are with a few other Pagan families, and are often simple enough to include the kids. Pagan rituals often start with casting a circle to designate sacred space, and then calling each direction to connect us to the Earth. Our Ancestors for millennia lived and died depending on knowing the directions, and so there is a reason they touch our hearts. To get a feel for the power and poignancy of Pagan rituals, finding one and attending it is much more effective than any words I can put down here (some rituals are much better than others). But I can give a summary of the most recent large ritual I was at (which had around 200 people, at Convocation in Detroit, February 2020). This was a ritual to honour our Ancestral mothers. In a darkened room lit by candlelight, we formed a (very large!) circle. After a basic start to the ritual, the person leading the ritual led us through a story like a description of our Ancestors, leading back through time, with a melodic, rhythmic, ritual voice. The floor had six large paintings of Ancestral mothers from our past. By this time I felt distinctly out of my day to day life, as if I was in a timeless place. A chant was raised, and with the slow chant, we formed lines, slowly walking past the images, taking time to look at each one and thank them. A mirror gave us each a chance to look at ourselves, seeing who we have become and who these mothers have given us. At the front of the darkened room was a large, dimly lit painting of the Lascaux cave bull painting. We each pressed our hand into a bowl of paint, and put our handprint on the painting, as if we were in Lascaux, 17,000 years ago. The ritual continued with more time for meditation on what we had felt, and steps to bring us back to normal time and a normal state of mind. This was a deeply centring experience – the kind of experience I would not want to be absent from my life. Similarly, even the simple rituals for the eight points of the Wheel of the Year greatly help in feeling connected to our Earth, to feel like I’m not missing watching the seasons pass.
There are a lot more Pagan practices in our family life – many are described in the links.
Family: My kids are the most important aspect of my life, and any spirituality which is completely self-centred is not healthy, so it’s not a surprise that our family is centrally important in my spirituality. As described in the link above (and here https://humanisticpaganism.com/2014/12/14/starstuff-contemplating-by-heather-and-jon-cleland-host-celebrating-meaning-in-our-lives-through-family-holidays/), there are specific, fun ways that we celebrate each holiday with the kids. If you want to find out what is important to someone, asking them is not necessarily the best way to find out. Instead, look at two things: their calendar and their chequebook. Where we put our time and money will show what is important to us – and likely what our effect on future generations will be. Holidays are no different – they teach our kids (and ourselves!) what is important. If holidays are empty consumerism, or worse, “celebrate” things we don’t believe or support, then what do the kids learn from that? This is why we make sure that our holidays teach the kids that we are part of the Earth, that our Universe is awesome, and that having fun is both important and can be done in a reality-based way. For this reason, what we do with the kids is at least, if not more, important than me personally being moved by a ritual. It’s a delicate balance to make our family celebrations honest and real, while still being similar enough to the surrounding culture so that none of this becomes too hard to maintain over many years. For instance, for Yule, we do have gifts and a tree. The gifts are opened on Winter Solstice morning, and the tree is fully reality-based.
Jacobsen: Any upcoming projects to announce for us?
Host: Yes! Though everything is shut down now with the pandemic, when life returns to normal I hope to continue discussions in the Detroit area Pagan community about an outdoor sacred ritual location. One cool thing about Pagan ritual is that we like to hold them outdoors. A ritual at sunrise or under the moonlight, in a forest or clearing, taps into environments that put our brains into a different state due to millions of years of evolution.
Also, a good friend of mine in the Naturalistic Pagan community just started a nontheistic Pagan podcast, called “The Wonder: Science Based Paganism”. The plan is for a podcast every week! Here is the link. https://thewonderpodcast.podbean.com/.
Jacobsen: Any recommended, authors, organizations, or speakers?
Host: For the wonder of Naturalism, I highly recommend the original Cosmos Series by Carl Sagan. It’s on Netflix and other outlets. Even after decades, the only thing out of date is Dr. Sagan’s turtleneck sweater. The recent second Cosmos Series by Neil DeGrasse-Tyson is a very close second. These are both perfect for family viewing and discussion except for the youngest kids. For the youngest kids, start them off with the first and second seasons of Scooby Doo (where all supernatural claims turn out to be a fake money making scam), Grandmother Fish (by Jonathan tweet), and walks in the woods.
Though our Naturalistic Pagan community is still small, we are growing, and already have resources out there. I edit the Humanistic Paganism blog (https://humanisticpaganism.com/, also on Facebook), there is a rapidly growing Atheopagan community (https://atheopaganism.wordpress.com/, also on Facebook) which Mark Green started, and two books have also just come out – “Atheopaganism” by Mark Green and “Godless Paganism” Edited by John Halstead. I’m available to speak, as are probably others. I’d also recommend checking out your local Pagan or CUUPS (Covenant of Unitarian Universalist Pagans) group. It’s hit or miss, but many of us are out there, and we are growing every day. There is a reason, after all, that myself, B. T. Newberg, Mark Green, John Halstead, and many others realized this same idea of Naturalistic Paganism independently.
Also, my wife (Heather) and I wrote a book about some of our family practices – specifically about how we celebrate birthdays by atomic number (so a 6th birthday is has a carbon theme – the 6th element, an 8th birthday has an oxygen theme, etc.). The book is “Elemental Birthdays” by Jon and Heather Cleland Host, and it has birthday party plans, science experiments for each birthday, etc. It’s available at (http://www.solstice-and-equinox.com/elementalbirthdays.html).
Jacobsen: Any final feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
Host: Sure. There is an important concept that I haven’t touched on yet. I’ve explained why naturalism is not just another belief system among all the different superstitions out there, but instead is the simple result of trying to be as least biased as possible when looking at the world. I haven’t explained why Paganism is important, at least to me.
Understanding the literal mountain of evidence from geology, biology, anatomy, cladistics, genetics, and more makes it clear that we have evolved from non-human Ancestors. The evidence shows that our brains have evolved, just as our arms, livers, feet and ears have evolved. We can better understand those organs by looking at their evolutionary history and resulting structure. People often shy away from doing the same with our brains, I think due to the cultural prevalence of philosophical dualism, itself a hangover from Christianity (which is fully dualistic). Dualism is beyond the scope of this interview, but the point is that we can look at our brains the same way we look at any other part of our bodies – in light of the reality of evolution.
Looking at our brains in the light of evolution, we see that they have evolved from the inside out, with primitive, basic functions deepest down, at the brain stem, and subsequent additions on top of that. Of course, this is a model, and is not perfect. Evolution doesn’t make anything perfect, but jury-rigs everything, making connections here and there, and some happen to survive. This gives us a roughly four-part brain, with the deepest part, the brain stem, governing basic survival. This is our Lizard brain, in control of the four “F’s” – Feeding, Fleeing, Fighting, and Mating. The next part out is the mammal brain (the limbic system), which is where our emotions, “gut feelings” and feelings of love, connection, and bonding come from. The biggest part is the neo-cortex, our “monkey mind” or primate brain – able to figure out complex puzzles, handle language, and analyze data. Lastly, in the front, we have the Frontal Lobes – our “higher human”, which can make long term plans, think about the future or even the time long after we die.
We need to feed and satisfy all parts of that brain which we all have (notice that Maslow’s hierarchy is simply the brain structure described above). Religion taps into the needs of the limbic system – the mammal brain which needs community, needs ritual, and needs feelings of purpose and bonding (and hopefully the parts above that too). Religion activates many of our most powerful motivators and response centers, guaranteeing the person’s attention and devotion. This means that humans, with rare exceptions, need a spirituality/religion. Humans will seek one out, and even build one themselves (often only a temporary solution). If a healthy, reality-based, beneficial religion is not available, millions of people will join harmful religions, harming our future world. If we are to have any hope of building a just, healthy, sustainable world for ourselves and future generations, we need to build a spiritual approach that is both reality-based and still includes ritual, symbolism, practices, and community. Carl Sagan recognized this too, when he said:
A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths. Sooner or later, such a religion will emerge.
Building such a religion is not easy. Building anything like that is a lot of work, and this is even more difficult because many of the most effective survival tools of supernatural religions (thought control, supernatural threats, etc.) are harmful, and so avoiding them is needed, but makes our task harder. Our own evolved brains require the emotion, connection, and feelings of rituals and ceremonies, while at the same time, Humanist rituals and ceremonies are often stilted and uncomfortable (as I alluded to earlier), if they happen at all. That’s a huge topic, which I’ve written a 15,000-word essay on (maybe I should clean it up and publish it as a book?). I won’t be able to cover it well, but here is a summary.
Why and how are Humanist (and any new, reality-based) rituals often stilted and uncomfortable? Two of the main reasons are because they lack emotion, and because they are unfamiliar.
Humanist rituals often lack emotion because we Humanists are often very rational, evidence-based, people who care what is really, literally true. We know that to keep from being fooled (especially by ourselves!), we need to control our emotions and instead use evidence and logic to determine what is most likely real. In addition to this, we see the immense harm of emotional thinking around us every day – from nationalism, racism, devotion to lying leaders, religious wars, quack health “cures”, and so much more – usually preying on the most vulnerable. Emotion is like fire – it’s very useful, and essential to our lives – yet it can be intentionally abused or accidentally released out of control, and in either case, real people suffer. This can make us uncomfortable when we try to harness it in even healthy ways when those are in a context (ritual or ceremony) so similar to the ways it is usually abused. Effective ritual and ceremony draw on the power of our emotions which requires that we mute the rational, analytical parts of our brains. We Humanists don’t easily mute that part of our brain (for good reason).
The other reason might be harder to see. A major part of the power of a ritual or ceremony is the feeling of familiarity and comfort it brings (do you remember the warmth from rituals of your childhood?). It feels safe and familiar because you’ve been doing it over and over for years. But hold on. Humanists don’t have rituals we’ve been doing for years! The familiarity isn’t there, and so you feel “unnatural” and self-conscious instead of comforted and secure. Worse, we can’t do the Christian rituals many of us are familiar with, because they are based on a false and harmful worldview which we don’t want to promote. It’s a catch-22: it takes repetition for the rituals to fully work, but it’s hard to repeat them when they aren’t fully working. With repetition, the rituals eventually begin to fully work, but it’s a big enough barrier (like an activation energy in chemistry) that prevents most people from getting to the other side. This is doubly true for a small group seeking new people, because everything we do will be new to a new person, and hence will not feel as natural as rituals done around longtime friends or family.
Both of these reasons are why rites of passage rituals are so much easier for us Humanists than seasonal or other rituals. With a baby blessing (previously called a baptism), wedding or funeral, the powerful emotions make easy for us to let the emotion take over – so that essential step is accomplished. Similarly, the situation gives us a clear and unquestioned focus (a baby, couple, or deceased loved one), and also provides a lot of familiarities – both from the many dear friends and family often present as well as with known parts to the ritual (such as vows, rings, etc.). It seems that a good path forward for any reality-based religion, whether Humanism or Naturalistic Paganism, is to first hone our ritual skills by celebrating these rites of passage rituals, while slowly adding the repetition and practice needed to get similar power from other rituals. Other components and methods of effective ritual are too big a topic for this interview, but my earlier description of a ritual contains many of them, and you can also learn them both by reading on this topic, and even better – by attending rituals, which is part of why I attend Pagan rituals.
I can’t know if Naturalistic Paganism will be the religion that succeeds in both rituals and overall. However, attempts at Naturalistic Islam or Christianity are chained to the anchor of their vicious, flat-earth “holy” books, as are many other religions. Any religion that rejects naturalism sets us up for the wars of “whose supernatural revelation is right” that have already killed literally dozens of millions of people. I’m sure there are other ways too. We’ll have to see how things go, but I know that for me, Naturalistic Paganism gives me hope for the future, and joy, meaning and purpose for today.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Jon.
Host: Thank you!
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Here is part 1 (of 2) of my interview with Scott Douglas Jacobsen of Canadian Atheist!
Dr. Jon Cleland Host is a scientist who earned his Ph.D. in materials science at Northwestern University & has conducted research at Hemlock Semiconductor and Dow Corning since 1997. He holds eight patents and has authored over three dozen internal scientific papers and eleven papers for peer-reviewed scientific journals, including the journal Nature. He has taught classes on biology, math, chemistry, physics and general science at Delta College and Saginaw Valley State University. Jon grew up near Pontiac, and has been building a reality-based spirituality for over 30 years, first as a Catholic and now as a Unitarian Universalist, including collaborating with Michael Dowd and Connie Barlow to spread the awe and wonder of the Great Story of our Universe (see www.thegreatstory.org, and the blog at evolutionarytimes.org). Jon and his wife have four sons, whom they embrace within a Universe-centered, Pagan, family spirituality. He currently moderates the yahoo group Naturalistic Paganism and posts videos on his YouTube Channel. Jon is also a regular columnist at HP. His column is called Starstuff, Contemplating.
Here we talk about his views, projects, and life, and extensively about Naturalistic Paganism and Humanistic Paganism.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: You host a super-minority and intriguing view within the Humanist community, internationally. I haven’t seen much like it. So, I wanted to get the view out there, as another consideration. Often, there can be grazing the orbit of this manner of looking at the world in some popularizations of agnosticism, Humanism, and science, in à la carte manner. For example, the late Carl Sagan and Sagan’s intellectual descendant, Neil deGrasse Tyson (Frederick P. Rose Director of the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History), speak of the awe, majesty, power, and wonder of nature qua nature for them. This amounts to the sensibility without the formal personal identification and philosophical affirmation of Naturalism and Paganism, i.e., Naturalistic Paganism, where Tyson, for example, mightily identifies as an agnostic based on the not-knowing of certain things, trained as an astrophysicist, earned Humanist awards, gets coverage in the Humanist press, while never identifying as a Naturalistic Pagan or a Humanistic Pagan. Something like an Agnostic-Humanist with Pagan sensibilities. Let’s define some terms. What is paganism in this context?
Dr. Jon Cleland Host: I’m glad that the term “Paganism” has evolved from its earlier use as a derogatory term applied by Christians to non-Christians (those out in the “country” – “paganus” in Latin) to a more accepting use now. Today, “Pagan” is an umbrella term encompassing many different spiritual paths. I think that the international Pagan Federation’s definition of “Pagan” is helpful:
“Pagan: A polytheistic or pantheistic nature-worshiping religion.”
Source: https://www.paganfederation.org/what-is-paganism/.
This includes a huge range of Pagan paths, including the Goddess worshiping Wiccan, the Atheist who knows how she is enmeshed in our vast web of life, the Odin worshiping Asatru, the follower of Bast, and so many more. Much of the reason for our diversity of belief is our rejection of the Christian idea of eternal torture for having the wrong beliefs. Because Pagans don’t expect anyone to be tortured for having different beliefs, it’s much more common (though not universal) for Pagans of different beliefs to accept each other. Our diversity gives us strength.
What’s most important, and what unites us Pagans, is that we Pagans explicitly celebrate our world, our Universe. We openly embrace the wonder, joy and awe we feel from being connected to, indeed being part of, our natural world. We don’t need an excuse or a reason, we feel the deep power of the atoms and cycles of which connect us. There is no embarrassment, and we don’t care if society doesn’t like it. Paganism gives us permission to dance under a waterfall, to be overwhelmed by a starry sky, to be in love with our world. We proudly proclaim that this is one F**ing awesome universe, to the point of worship, and if someone thinks that we shouldn’t say that, and that we should be worshiping only their imaginary sky daddy instead, then they can go jump in a (wonderful, awesome) lake.
Jacobsen: What is Humanism in this context?
Host: Humanism is an ethical approach to life that is based on reason, naturalism and making the best of this one life we know we have, for ourselves and for everyone. Though originally focused on humanity, Humanists today include our whole Earth, our whole web of life, recognizing that we are not separate from the web of life, so we can’t have a flourishing humanity without a flourishing web of life. Humanists want to help build a just, healthy and sustainable world for everyone, and know that decisions based on reality and focused on this world are the best way to do that. I love the Humanist community. We do a lot of good. But I’ve found that Humanist based celebrations and rituals feel stilted at best. It’s really hard for us rational people to let go of the analysis and live in the moment – more on that below.
Jacobsen: What is naturalism in this context?
Host: By “Naturalism”, we are referring to philosophical naturalism – the belief that the universe is governed by natural laws, and that there aren’t any disembodied spirits, ghosts, deities, magic, or other supernatural. This is not a claim or assumption, but is rather a conclusion – the result of simply trying to be unbiased. Why do I say that?
Well, consider the opposite. Imagine that I was to say that supernatural things are real. Well, how would I support that? Perhaps by pointing to sacred scripture, such as, say, the Amitabha Sutra. But if I accept the Amitabha Sutra as describing reality, then that means that I have to reject other sacred scripture (say, the Pearl of Great Price), because they contradict each other. In fact, the same thing happens with any supernatural belief source. Oh, I talked firsthand with a person who had a personal vision of the supernatural? But then why would I accept that over another person’s personal revelation, which contradicts it?
Should I believe one over the other simply because I randomly happened to meet one person and not the other? OK, how about I apply some critical thinking to the other revelation? I would soon find that the other revelation is not supported by the evidence. So does that mean I should just believe the first person’s revelation – hook, line and sinker? Of course, that’s not being fair. And as soon as I apply the same critical testing to the revelation from the first person, I see that it also is unsupported by the evidence. In fact, realizing that people “remember” things that didn’t happen (big topic – look it up), or that humans can and do hallucinate (with or without the aid of drugs), and that literally thousands of people have described supernatural revelations, shows that even if I myself remember having a revelation, that it too might not survive a look at the evidence. If a revelation does survive a look at the evidence, then I can just go by the evidence and then I don’t need the revelation anyway. In fact, if I accept my own memory of a revelation as a way to know what’s true, then what possible basis could I have for rejecting someone’s revelation telling them to kill people in a terrorist attack?
Additional examples of supernatural beliefs are all around us – in religions and pop culture. Looking at any of them shows pretty quickly that people believe in supernatural things for often random or emotional reasons, such as which country they happened to be born in, or what their parents believed, or who one’s friends are. If we are to fairly look at beliefs, then it’s hard to avoid a conclusion of naturalism (as explained above). Perhaps the clearest evidence for this the fact that we naturalists can say to nearly everyone (to Muslims, Asatru, Christians, Hindus, etc) that “you already believe in practically everything that we believe in”. Nearly everyone already believes in things like atoms, like gravity, sound, rockets, cooking, animals, and so on. The things that everyone agrees are real are very likely real – because the overwhelming evidence is why there is nearly universal agreement on their reality. For us naturalists, those are our beliefs (more at https://humanisticpaganism.com/religious-naturalism/). For me at least, my naturalism gives me profound meaning and purpose (link https://humanisticpaganism.com/2014/03/12/starstuff-contemplating-by-jon-cleland-host-a-naturalistic-credo/).
This means that naturalism is not an arbitrary choice among equals, and is certainly not dogmatically believing what one is told. The demographic patterns, the evidential justification, the robustness to testing, and so much more show that we naturalists are not picking naturalism willy-nilly from a menu of equally likely worldviews, listed after, say, “Catholicism, Zoroastrianism, …” and just before “Jainism, Crystal Healing, Judaism, etc.”. Unlike the others, naturalism is the only path which says that because our world is what is important, and because real understanding is most likely to give the best results, finding the most likely truth is more important than following tradition, obeying dogma or believing things for arbitrary reasons. Instead, naturalism means that we look at the evidence, form hypotheses, test them, revise them based on the evidence, and repeat. It means that we look at the tested and predictive consensus of the experts in areas we can’t test ourselves, and it means that all conclusions are tentative, getting us closer to the likely truth.
Because believing wrong things leads to taking wrong actions, and because taking wrong actions hurts real people (others, ourselves and/or future generations), naturalism seems to me to be the only ethical approach to knowledge. There are, of course, a wide range of consequences to different beliefs. I’m certainly not saying that all non-naturalistic belief systems are horrible. It’s quite clear that the Judaism of Anne Frank makes the world a better place compared to the religious belief system of the KKK. Also, all of us have been influenced by our life history, and I’m grateful for being brought to the point where I could choose to test my beliefs against the evidence (many people never get that opportunity). I’d like to think that believing things based only on evidence is simply a matter of self-respect and respect for everyone, but, of course, our life histories are more complicated than that.
Jacobsen: Following the last three questions, what knits these together in two sets of two as either Humanistic Paganism or Naturalistic Paganism?
Host: Naturalism brings hard-headed scrutiny of the evidence. While not always fun (like most humans, none of us enjoy the slow realization that one of our beliefs is likely wrong), it gives us the wonderful gift of being wrong a little less often. Like other forms of honesty, it is overall a small price to pay for the benefits to us and our world. Naturalism means that we are a little more likely to have the positive effect on the world we intend, and by at least trying to use critical thinking in every area of our lives, we are a little more likely to avoid the lies, and resulting harm, from a demagogue.
But there is another huge benefit – one that is perhaps a surprise to some. At least for me – and I’ve heard this from other too – naturalism brings an amazement, an awestruck wonder, to our lives. To see the marvels all around us, and especially to learn about the workings of each through the incredible wealth of information we now have though science, fills me with a joyous astonishment. It’s impossible to describe. I’ve tried to do so in a post (https://humanisticpaganism.com/2014/06/11/starstuff-contemplating-by-jon-cleland-host-the-wonder-amplifier/). Simply put, learning more about the scientific details of every aspect of our Universe makes them each all the more rapturous. At first, I really wasn’t sure this would continue – but it never stops. Every year I learn more and find more incredible things, and they seem to feed on each other, maybe squaring the wonder over and over as I learn more. Even after a half-century of life, there is no end in sight. I’m especially grateful to Carl Sagan for helping open this door for me.
This joy could be trapped inside. But it’s not. Raising kids helps – kids, like Pagans, don’t need permission to revel in the joy of a waterfall, forest ridge or science experiment, and neither does their Dad! Paganism also provides a life-changing, a life-giving, outlet for this joy given by our universe. The rituals, the daily practices and especially the recognition that our real universe is deeply, powerfully sacred, are things that enrich my life.
Naturalism and Paganism are knitted together in my life with the universe supplying a deep well of inspiration, and Paganism providing the tools that help me live this inspiration, to drink it in and weave it into my life. Together, they are so much more than either could be alone.
Jacobsen: How did you enter the world as a Catholic (imposed) and come to the point of Unitarian Universalism, Humanistic Paganism, and Naturalistic Paganism?
Host: My own history starts out with the very common story of one leaving Catholicism. I was raised Catholic, and unlike some, was still solidly Catholic in my teens. But then I started to see contradictions. Logical problems, like “if God is just, why are non-Catholics sent to Hell, if they are raised in another religion?” etc. I even booked a time with a priest to discuss them. I thought that since the Catholic church had been around for well over 1,000 years, with tons of top-notch scholars, these silly questions must have been figured out many centuries ago. The priest offered trite sayings that didn’t answer the questions. It began to dawn on me that there the “answers” *didn’t exist*! Such a huge shift takes time, and it was years before I could look at things based mostly on evidence instead of how I had been taught to see things. Looking at the evidence, it became clear that the traditional religions had grown from real needs, and been invented by people, partially to gain power over others. I also realized that many religions have been, and continue to be, harmful in many ways, including fighting against women’s rights, the abolition of slavery, LGBT rights, scientific advancement, and evidence-based problem-solving. I became the stereotypical Atheist, eschewing all religious observations because they weren’t based in reality. I found this to be too empty. I’m human – I need emotional connection, colour, vibrancy. I realized that humans for well over five thousand years, and probably much more, have been finding deep significance in the yearly cycle of the Sun, and especially the sunrise moment of the Winter Solstice. So I started a simple practice – watching the sunrise on the Winter Solstice. I found that it is invigorating to be celebrating, noticing, and being deeply moved by, this one moment in time when our Ancestors stood in fear and hope, and when we, with understanding given by science, can stand in confidence that the Sun will return. These powerful moments gained strength every year, connecting me to billions of lives of people who, like me, strove to attach meaning to the best and most reliable understanding out of the world around us.
I met my wife around that time, and with that powerful connection growing every year, it was only natural for us to add the Summer Solstice. The others were added over time, until we’re celebrating the Wheel of the Year. We realized how moving, how awe-inspiring, we found this approach to be – drawing on the grand Universe as revealed to us by science, and celebrating that connection with the Wheel of the Year and other Pagan metaphors. We discussed a lot of names, and settled on Naturalistic Paganism because it both described what we were (instead of what we were not, as in the term “Atheist”), while also being clear (“naturalism” has a clear philosophical definition – “no supernatural”). That was 2003. We started a webpage (Naturalpagans.org), and a yahoo group followed (Naturalistic Paganism). Later (2011), B. T. Newberg created the Humanistic Paganism website (having arrived at the same idea independently). B.T. explains this history and the longer-term history of Naturalistic Paganism in this post. https://humanisticpaganism.com/2015/06/09/exploring-the-historical-roots-of-naturalistic-paganism-by-b-t-newberg/ I joined the team around 2015, and it has been wonderful seeing this (and other) forms of Naturalistic Paganism continue to grow (such as Atheopaganism, see below).
Throughout all of this, It’s been wonderful to connect with other Pagans in the wider Pagan community, and join in many different rituals and celebrations. It can be a tricky balance at times between my own hard-nosed naturalism/atheism and the prevalence of pseudoscience/woo in the wider Pagan community. I sometimes have to remind myself to consider if a supernatural belief is very harmful or not, but overall it’s been great to simply enjoy a ritual with others, even if we personally think of the language used differently – such as if many others see a deity as literal and I see a metaphor. After all, no one thinks anyone is going to hell for being a heretic.
(Part 1 of 2 – second half coming soon)
Original post here.
See Starstuff, Contemplating posts.
See all of Dr. Jon Cleland Host’s posts.
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2020
Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 20.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Sixteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 22, 2019
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2019
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,156
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dr. James Robert Flynn, FRSNZ is an Emeritus Professor of Political Studies at the University of Otago in Dunedin, New Zealand. He discusses: IQ gains as not necessarily g, or general intelligence, gains; racial differences and definitions in intelligence research; and ethnic groupings, species, and getting to the roots of the research regardless.
Keywords: ethnicity, g, general intelligence, intelligence, IQ, James Flynn, morals, political studies, race.
An Interview with Emeritus Professor James Robert Flynn, FRSNZ on IQ, g, Racial Differences, Ethnicity, Species, and Affluence: Emeritus Professor, Political Studies, University of Otago in Dunedin, New Zealand (Part Two)[1],[2],[3]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Why are IQ gains not g gains, that is, general intelligence gains?
Professor James Flynn: Simply because IQ gains over time have occurred on all IQ subtests and have not been greater on those subtests that are of the greatest cognitive complexity. However, I do not think that the fact that IQ gains fail to particularly load on g (or cognitive complexity) is a reason to discount their significance. IQ gains on subtests like vocabulary (among adults), matrices, block design, classification, should be very important even if gains are equivalent on other less demanding subtests like digit span, which mainly tests rote memory.
G has an appeal as a concept of intelligence. It shows that individuals who do well on IQ tests beat the average person more and more as problems become more cognitively complex. If you and I were to sit down and say, “What would be one of the characteristics of intelligence?”, we would probably reply, “The person who is intelligent can beat the average person more on complex problems than easy problems,” wouldn’t we?
This mistakenly leads to the conclusion that IQ gains are not really “intelligence” gains and must lack significance. I am not going to get into defining intelligence, but certainly gains on vocabulary are highly socially significant no matter what has happened to other cognitive skills. If you really want to see why IQ gains have not been as significant as they might be, you would do better to focus on the fact that universities are doing such a bad job of educating.
I have a book coming out this year, in September, called In Defence of Free Speech: The University as Censor. At present, universities spend as much time censoring as teaching. Anyone who has unpopular views on race or gender or practically anything is banned: they can’t speak on campus, they are not read, they are derided ignorantly.
In my book, I detail all the things I learned, precisely because I read Jensen, and Murray, and Lynn, and Eysenck. It is wonderful when you encounter a highly intelligent, highly educated opponent, who takes a point of view contrary to your own. You must reassess your arguments. You often find that you have been simplistic, and that arguing with these opponents teaches you ten times as much as you knew when you were naive.
Let us go back to our friend, g. The is overwhelming evidence that cognitive abilities, even when taken individually, are significant. This is true of individual skill in all areas. If we studied drivers in New York, or in Boston, some would be better drivers and some worse drivers. We could rank driving tasks in terms of complexity. We would probably find a “g pattern: that the better drivers bested the average person the more as the complexity of skills rose. I am sure that the better and the worst drivers would not differ much on the simple task of turning on the ignition. But note that the presence or absence of the g pattern would tell us nothing about the causes at work, not even as often thought whether the causes were environmental or genetic
For ordinary city driving, the better drivers would start to forge ahead of the worse ones. This would become more pronounced if you looked at driving around the cities on beltways: that is one of the first things elderly people give up. There are so many cars coming in so many directions and changing lanes. Many elderly people who still drive will not do beltway driving. The better group would be much better at it. Finally, there is the question of parallel parking, which is the part of the driving test most people fear. The better group might better the average person most of all on that.
When we look at these two groups, how useful would it be to derive a g factor? It would be disastrous to assume that since g is influenced by genes the better drivers were somehow a genetic elite. G would tell you nothing about causes. For example, you may discover that the people who are the worst drivers are new arrivals in New York City who have had no experience in beltway driving. You also find that in their town, you just drove into a parking space and didn’t have to know how to come in on a parallel park.
On the other hand, we might find that none of this is true. We might find that they were equally experienced, and then we would say to ourselves, “I bet there is a genetic factor. Perhaps some of these people are better at spatial visualization. Perhaps some of them are better at information processing. Perhaps some of them are better at manual dexterity.” Our minds would go in the direction of skill influence by genes. But it would depend on the case. You must approach each case with fresh eyes, and not be hypnotized by g.
I am quite sure that any two groups can be differentiated by genetic factors, and that this would affect performance. For example, if one group was a lot taller than another, it would affect their basketball performance. But you must take these cases one by one.
I looked at black/white IQ differences in Germany. Blacks in America fall further behind whites the more cognitively complex the task, which leads some to infer that they are lower on g and are genetically inferior. But then you study Eyferth’s children in Germany. These were half-black and all-white children left behind by black and white Ameican servicemen in post-war Germany. The g pattern had disappeared. There was no tendency whatsoever for the half-black kids to fall behind more and more as you go up the complexity ladder.
That seems to imply that this group difference has something to do with culture. The first thing that comes to your mind is that these half-black kids were raised by white German women. There was no real black subculture in Germany after World War II. The black subculture element is totally absent. Then you go to someone like Elsie Moore.
She did a wonderful study in the 1980s. No-one, of course, will repeat it again because of political correctness. She had, as I recall, it was something like 40 kids – or maybe it was 48, that sounds more like it – all of who were black. Half of them were adopted by black parents of high SES and half of whom were adopted by white parents of high SES. At the age of eight and a half, the black kids adopted by white parents of high SES were 13 points ahead of the black kids adopted by black parents.
Elsie Moore called the mothers and kids in. She found that white mothers were universally positive. “That is a good idea. Why don’t we try this?” The black children came in with their black foster mothers. The mother was negative. “You are not that stupid. You know better than that.”
It became quite clear that even though both sets of families had elite SES, there was something in black subculture that found it unwelcome to confront complex cognitive problems. Once again, by the age of eight and a half, the black children adopted by whites of high education and SES were 13 points above the blacks adopted by blacks
You can say, “Is that evidence enough?” It is not enough, of course, but it does tie in with the German data. There, black subculture was absent, and the g effect was absent. In America, black subculture is thriving. Even the black children being raised by white parents, as they grew up, would tend to merge into the black teenage subculture, the “shopping mall” subculture.
My main point is that we must approach all this with an open mind. I am not saying that Jensen’s concept of g does not pose interesting questions. It does, but it cannot be taken as an automatic piece of litmus paper as to when one group is genetically privileged over another. Both options must be open.
I think that a genetically influenced g effect occurs between individuals. I think that when you have sexual reproduction, the higher cognitive abilities are more at risk of “damage” than the lower ones. You can imagine that would be true. You have two siblings. If one had bad luck, he will have more deleterious recessive genes paired. This may damage complex cognitive skills more than less complex ones. The bad luck twin will probably be below his brother more on Raven’s than on rote memory. I published this opinion recently and Woodley took notice of it. Do you know who Woodley is?
Jacobsen: I have heard that name before, but that is about all.
Flynn: He’s a very prolific British researcher, very good indeed. I supplemented my remarks by saying that it was interesting that the higher cognitive abilities were the ones that would have come along latest in the human evolutionary history and, therefore, they might be more fragile in the genome. Woodley is now pursuing this possibility
The concept of g shouldn’t be dismissed. Whenever anything describes a phenomenon in intelligence, we must probe for its causes. It is terribly sad that it is gotten side-tracked: into a debate over whether the fact one group falls further behind another as cognitive complexity increases is an indication that they’ve got to be genetically defective.
As you know, I have done research with Bill Dickens that showed that blacks gained on whites about 5 points in the generation between 1972 and 2002. This correlated with evidence from educational tests, as well. What are we going to say if they gain another 5 points? Are we going to conclude that the g pattern is not as pronounced as we once thought it was? That would fly in the face of evidence in its favour. So, g, to me, is an interesting concept for research but it is not the be all and end all of what we do when we do intelligence research.
2. Jacobsen: Racial differences also lead to some questions around definitions. For instance, is it a scientific category, race? In other words, is it proper to even talk, in a modern scientific context, about the category “race” when talking about intelligence?
Flynn: I do not have much patience with that. I see that as an evasion of real issues. Imagine that a group of Irish came to America in about 1900. Of course, the Irish have not been a pure race through all of history, but they have much more in common in terms of heredity than they do with Slovaks.
These Irishmen in America settle in a community down by the Mississippi. You will find that when the children send them to school, some Irish kids will do better than others; and the ones who do better will, on average, will grow up to buy more affluent homes.
Thus they divide into two groups. Below the railway tracks near the Mississippi, where it is not so nice, you will have what we used to call “shanty Irish”. Above the railway tracks, where things are much nicer, you will have what we used to call “lace curtain Irish”. If you compare these two groups, you will find an IQ gap between them that has a genetic component.
You can try to dismiss this by repeating the mantra “They are not pure races.” Of course, they are not pure races. They are sociological constructs that have a different sociology because of somewhat different histories. But it still makes perfectly good sense to ask whether there would be a genetic difference in IQ between the shanty Irish and the lace curtain Irish.
When individuals within a group compete, genetically influenced cognitive skills are involved. Some people, as I have said, will do better at school and, on average, they will have a better genetic endowment. It will not be a huge gulf. American children from parents in the top and bottom third of SES tend to have an IQ gap of 10 points; and perhaps 5 of these may be genetic rather than environmental.
I hope this cuts through all of this nonsense. Also, the “irrelevance” of race seems to be special pleading. If we cannot talk about blacks as a “pure race”, and that disqualifies grouping them together, how can we have anything like affirmative action? The answer will be, “Well of course they are not a pure race. But they identify themselves as black, and whites identify them as black, and despite the fact that they are a social construct, they get the short end of the stick.”
If you can compare blacks and whites as to who gets the short end of the stick, you can also give them IQ tests, and you can also ask yourself as to whether in the histories of these two peoples, there has not been sufficient genetic diversity that one has built up an advantage over the other.
The causes of the black-white IQ gap are an empirical question. It has nothing to do with the stuff about pure races. There are groups that are socially identified as different, groups that identify themselves as socially different, groups that have histories that could conceivably lead to a genetic gap between them. You have got to look at the evidence.
It is an evasion. You ignore the fact that there are no pure races when you say, “more blacks live in poverty.” Why drag it in when you compare races for genetic differences?
3. Jacobsen: What about the shift in the conversation in terms of talking more about species rather than races, and then looking at different ethnic groupings? So, it is doing it within what probably are more accurate depictions than terminology such as “race”.
In terms of reframing it within a more modern scientific context, in terms of having species, and then having different groupings, as you noted, it is with ethnic groupings with different histories, rather than talking about races.
Flynn: That is fine. I have no objection to that, but it is not going to make anything go away, is it?
Jacobsen: No.
Flynn: There are still going to be 10% of Americans who self-identify as “black” and virtually all whites will identify blacks as “black”, and then we will still have to ask the question, “Do black and white at this point in time differ for cognitive abilities entirely environmentally?” I do not see how any verbal device will change this
There used to be academics who said that since humans share 99% of their genes with bonobos, you could dismiss the notion that genes have something to do with intelligence. The significance of this was exactly the opposite. If one percent difference made a huge difference in intelligence, then if racial groups differed by 1/100 of a percent, it might create the IQ gap difference that we see today.
I haven’t found any argument yet for sweeping the race and IQ debate under the carpet which is anything but special pleading. I do not think these arguments would be used in any other context whatsoever. They are used in this context so that we can all say, “We do not have to investigate these matters. We can pat ourselves on the back.” When actually, we should feel scholarly remiss.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2020
Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 20.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Sixteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: June 8, 2019
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2019
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,330
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dr. James Robert Flynn, FRSNZ is an Emeritus Professor of Political Studies at the University of Otago in Dunedin, New Zealand. He discusses: current intelligence research; evolutionary biology; and the correlation between IQ gains and the advanced moral views.
Keywords: evolutionary biology, intelligence, IQ, James Flynn, morals, political studies.
An Interview with Emeritus Professor James Robert Flynn, FRSNZ on Intelligence Research, Evolutionary Biology, and IQ Gains and Advanced Moral Views: Emeritus Professor, Political Studies, University of Otago in Dunedin, New Zealand (Part One)[1],[2],[3]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Let us start from the current empirics of intelligence research. What are the overall findings now? What is the consensus of the field, if there is one?
Professor James Flynn: One of the consensuses of the field is one that I will not explore, that is, the relationship of intelligence to brain physiology. People seem to be inventing all sorts of wonderful new tools to investigate the brain beyond magnetic resonance imaging and see what type of thought processes are going on, and that should be extremely illuminating.
Obviously, cognition has a physiological basis. If we have illusions as to just what the physiological basis of certain cognitive abilities are, they certainly need correcting.
As to other areas of research, many people are not sufficiently sophisticated about the phenomenon of IQ gains over time. They do not seem to entirely grasp its significance and its limitations.
For example, the fact that people are better at generalization often produces a rise in moral reasoning. If you talked to my grandfather about race, he had certain fixed racial mores. But if you take a young person today, they are more flexible. If you ask, “Should you be underprivileged because your skin is black?”, and then ask, “What if your skin turned black?”, they would see the point. You must render your moral principles logically consistent.
They would not do what my father would do. He would say, “That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. Who do you know whose skin turned black?” He would not take a hypothetical seriously, or the demands it entails for logical consistency. And once you concede that sheer “blackness” does not count, you would have to list personal traits that made someone worthy of persecution. That immediately gets you down to individuals as individuals, not individuals as a member of a particular race.
In my lifetime; students are less subject to racist and sexist stereotypes. That has had a good deal to do with the nature of the IQ gains over time, our ability to take hypothetical situations seriously, our ability to generalize and to see moral maxims as things that ought to have some type of universal applicability, rather than be just a tribal inheritance.
2. Jacobsen: Does a modern understanding of evolutionary biology help with this?
Flynn: They do not need anything as sophisticated as that. However, in saying that people today are better at moral assessments, I may give a false impression. Because they do need basic knowledge about the world and its history. You can have a very enlightened point of view towards social justice, and you can be free of racial stereotypes and yet, you can be colossally ignorant. All recent studies show that Americans are reading less and are less aware of how nations and their histories differ.
I emphasize this point in several of my books such as The Torchlight List and More Torchlight Books. People are surrounded by the babble of the media, Fox News and even CBS News. They are surrounded by the rhetoric of politicians. When people reach false conclusions about what ought to be done, it is often just sheer lack of the background knowledge that will allow them to put their egalitarian ideals to work.
Remember how America was talked into going into Iraq. This was not to wreak devastation on Iraqis, it was going to help Iraqis. This was going to give them a modern, stable society. Put that way, it sounds very good, does it not?
All people would have had to do would have been to have read one book on the Middle East, like Robert Fisk’s The Great War for Western Civilisation. They would have found that no Western power that sent troops into the Middle East has had a credit balance. They have always managed to get more people killed than would have been killed otherwise, and when they left, they left behind nations that had to “nation build” themselves, like every other nation in history.
I have often used an example that any properly educated person would think of immediately. That is The Thirty Years’ War in Germany (1618-1648), between Catholic and Protestant. It killed off half of the population. Let us imagine that a Turkish sultan, who in 1618, looked at Germany and said, “Look at how these Catholics and Protestants are torturing each other. Surely if I go in with a Turkish army, I can punish the wicked ones who do the most drawing and quartering, and I can reward the people who are more tolerant, and I will teach Catholic and Protestant to live to together in a nation-built Germany.”
We can all see the absurdity of this. But we can’t see the absurdity of a “benevolent” America sending an army into the Middle East to punish the bad guys and help the good guys, and make Sunnis and Shias love one another and nation build together.
The Thirty Years’ war also teaches us a lesson about Israel’s policy in the Middle East. What was Cardinal Richelieu’s policy from1618 to 1648? He said, “I am a Frenchman first, and a Catholic second. What I am going to do is meddle in this war and whoever is losing, I will back. I want these wars to go on forever. The more dead Germans, Catholic or Protestant, the better for France.”
This foreshadows Israel’s stand about the wars that rage in the Middle East. Israel believes that the Arabs will never accept them. It will always have to be stronger than the Arab nations to defend itself, and the weaker and the more divided the Arabs the better. This, of course, has nothing to do with the interests of American foreign policy. America must be talked into creating chaos in the Middle East so as “to do good”.
America is going through a trauma now. We backed Saudi Arabia against Iran, and now it turns out that Saudi Arabia is at least as wicked as Iran, killing people by the millions in Yemen. It still lops people’s hands off for theft. The women who pioneered against the restrictions on driving are all in jail. Until recently the Shiite population could not have cellars because they were suspected of conducting filthy rites down there.
Americans do not know enough to assess either US or Israeli policy. The average person’s “knowledge” is limited to what they are told. They may be well-meaning. But they are told that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant. They meet exiles who dress like Westerners and look like themselves. These exiles use the language of democracy and free speech. However, their real goal is to get back into power in Iraq and their only hope of that is American intervention.
Academics are fixated on whether the 21st Century will see IQ gains or IQ losses. The real question for the 21st century is whether we can produce a better-educated population. The odds seem to be all against it.
I have a book coming out this year called In Defense of Free Speech: The University as Censor. More and more of America’s students lack either the knowledge or the critical intelligence to come to terms with the modern world. There is nothing the matter with our hearts but the problem is our heads.
If anyone had told me, 50, 60 years ago, when I began lecturing, that we would double the number of university graduates, and have a smaller elite of well-educated critics of our time, I would say that was insane. But all the studies show that adults today read less serious literature, less history than they did 30 or 40 years ago, that they are at least as ignorant of the same basic facts as they were 30 or 40 years ago.
To some degree, America is a special case – it is strange beyond belief. In other countries, people may not be well-educated. But few of them have an alternative view of the world that challenges science and makes education almost impossible. About 35 percent of Americans are raised in a way that provides them with a kind of world view that makes them suspicious of science.
At least in France, over one-third of people do not believe that the solar system began ten thousand years ago, that dinosaurs and human beings existed at the same time, and that if one species differs from another it was because God designed them that way.
This world-view was typical in many nations in the late 19th century. Take Britain: people were enraged by Darwin and thought their next-door neighbour was going to hell because they didn’t baptize their kids correctly. But slowly this world view faded in Britain, and Canada, and Australia, and England, and Spain, and Portugal. People who thought of modern science as an enemy, and had this 19th-century perspective, began to disappear.
What the hell happened to America? It is as if a third of the population was taken to Mars, and then came back a hundred years later, and their minds had been in a refrigerator. That is a terrible burden America must carry: about a third of its population has a world view that makes them systematically opposed to learning and critical intelligence.
3. Jacobsen: How much is there a correlation between IQ gains and the advanced moral views that you mentioned before?
Flynn: That is hard to tell. I am only familiar with data within the US. The mean IQ is lower in the South than in states like Minnesota, or like Massachusetts. Despite the preaching of the Southern Baptists and Southern Methodists about the value of fundamentalist Christianity, you have more murder, rape, and early pregnancies than you have up north.
You find a correlation that as IQ rises, people have what I would call more enlightened moral judgment. But you must look at all the confounding variables. Ever since the Civil War, the South has been in a state of schizophrenia. Of course, it is a less prosperous part of the nation. It is a more rural part of the nation. It is a more religious part of the nation. How is one to pick out the causes here? I suspect that thanks to IQ gains over time, some kids raised as Southern Baptists, have learned to be skeptical and to think for themselves. But why has the number been so small?
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Numbering: Issue 22.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Eighteen)
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Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
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Individual Publication Date: April 8, 2020
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Abstract
Professor Henrik Lagerlund is a Professor in the Department of Philosophy at Stockholm University. He discusses: background; a self extended through time; influences on formation; mentors and others of influence; authors and books that were significant; pivotal educational moments in youth; formal postsecondary education; tasks and responsibilities as a professor at Stockholm University; main areas of research, and work on the history of skepticism; and advice for aspiring students.
Keywords: dogmatism, G.H. Von Wright, Harry Martinson, Henrik Lagerlund, Lutheran, novelist, poet, skepticism, Stockholm University, Thorild Dahlqvist, Uppsala University.
An Interview with Henrik Lagerlund: Professor, Philosophy, Stockholm University (Part One)[1],[2]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What is family background or lineage, e.g., surname(s) etymology (etymologies), geography, culture, language, religion/non-religion, political suasion, social outlook, scientific training, and the like?
Professor Henrik Lagerlund: I grew up in northern Sweden, in a small town called Sundsvall. It is a nice place to grow up – safe and boring. The summers stick out in my mind. It was northern Sweden so the summer days are very long when the sun almost never goes down. It was great for a young boy, but the downside was, of course, that the winters are very long and dark. There were also a lot of snow in the 70’s when I grew up. At least that is what I remember. On the other hand, long dark winter nights meant that I could stay in and read, which is what I spent most of my school years doing. I read all kinds of things – mostly novels, but also a lot of history. I also harboured dreams of becoming a novelist and a poet. As the saying goes a philosopher is a failed poet. I actually tried very hard to get published as a poet, which never happened, but I also myself wrote several shorter books – novels that I never published. Another aspect of my school years was my interest in computers and mathematics. I early had my own computer, a Commodore 64, and started writing my own programs and games. I spent a lot of time in front of the computer. One thing I didn’t do was spend a lot of time on my school work at least early on.
My family was not really religious; although my mother sometimes went to church. Her mother, my grandmother, was a devoted Lutheran, which at the time was the state religion in Sweden. It was a good home to grow up in. My parents are both dead now and I miss them sometimes; especially my dad who died already at 60 of lung cancer. It was not an intellectual environment though. My parents both came from a non-academic background and had only basic schooling (even though my mother later in life studied to become a nurse). She read a lot of detective novels and I could relate to her though her reading, but I sought out more demanding literature and ideas, which seemed alien to her I think. When I began to study philosophy my father took out a subscription on Filosofisk Tidskrift (a Swedish philosophy journal), which I loved him for. I don’t know how much of it he got or even read, but I thought the gesture of trying to relate to my interests was sweet.
2. Jacobsen: With all these facets of the larger self, how did these become the familial ecosystem to form identity and a sense of a self extended through time?
Lagerlund: The two things that formed me intellectually was this dual interest in literature and mathematics (computers). I think that was why I became interested in philosophy since it belongs in the humanities, but looks to science and often deals with issues rooted in science – at least analytical philosophy, which was my educational background. I only discovered philosophy at university, however, and had read very little before coming to Uppsala University. Before that I studied engineering, which was really something my parents wanted me to study. Their idea of a good job was becoming an engineer or a medical doctor. I didn’t want to do the latter and I liked math so I chose the first.
3. Jacobsen: Of those aforementioned influences, what ones seem the most prescient for early formation?
Lagerlund: I think I had a rather late intellectual awakening. I would place it at my arrival at Uppsala university. It was always my interest in literature that had the most influence on me before that. I played a lot of tennis as a young person as well and almost chose a professional career as a tennis player. In the end school was too important to me. I think that early experience of playing a lot of competitive tennis was very important. It teaches you to overcome adversity by yourself. On the tennis court there is no one else to help you – you are on your own facing an opponent. Being able to deal with such situations and overcoming them is an important lesson for life – never give up. If you want something really bad don’t give up.
4. Jacobsen: What adults, mentors, or guardians became, in hindsight, the most influential on you?
Lagerlund: I am not sure I had any mentors early in life. I had as I arrived at Uppsala. The person that meant most to me then was an older philosopher called Thorild Dahlqvist. He had been a teacher in philosophy at Uppsala for most of his career, but he did not write much, but influenced generations of students by his personality and his vast knowledge. He took an interest in me and helped me a lot. I am not sure what I would have been without him. He died 10 years or ago. I was in Canada at the time and missed his funeral, which I have always regretted.
5. Jacobsen: As a young reader, in childhood and adolescence, what authors and books were significant, meaningful, to worldview formation?
Lagerlund: As already mentioned I read a lot of novels. An author that meant a lot was the Swedish Nobel prize winner Harry Martinson. Aniara is a poem in 103 verses about a space ship originally destined for Mars with colonist from the destroyed planet earth. En route the ship malfunctions and is set on a course to nowhere into empty space. It is a colorful and striking metaphor of human kinds existential situation. I remember the line “We are beginning to realize that we are more lost than we previously thought.” It somehow captures humanities situation. The second book that probably was the reason I wanted to continue my studies in philosophy in the first place is a book in Swedish by the Finish philosopher G.H. Von Wright called Vetenskapen och Förnuftet (Science and Reason in English) It is a partially historical account of the development of science and a criticism of reason as it has been formed since Descartes time. I don’t think I in my formative years read anything that had such an impact on me. As I look back a lot of my own research in the history of philosophy has been motivated by what I read there. I think my interest in skepticism has its source there as well.
6. Jacobsen: What were pivotal educational – as in, in school or autodidacticism – moments from childhood to young adulthood?
Lagerlund: It was definitely coming to Uppsala as a student. I was slow to awake intellectually despite having read a lot in school. At Uppsala and in philosophy I finally started to awake and see the world in a new way. Part of that had to do with reading von Wright’s book. It presented a completely new perspective on the world and took to task Western rationality founded on science and technology. In a sense, it presents a kind of skepticism towards reason. A skepticism not unlike the kind David Hume present in his works.
But at the same time, I was swept up by all the new ideas I was taught. They consumed me. I started reading all kinds of philosophical literature and dove into history of philosophy in particular.
7. Jacobsen: For formal postsecondary education, in academia, why that path or road?
Lagerlund: After my engineering degree, I had a bit of a personal crisis. I never wanted to go that route. I even considered joining the navy full time. In Sweden at that time, late 80’s, it was mandatory for all boys to do military service. I did mine in the navy. I kind of liked it and even applied to the naval academy to become an officer. I was accepted but declined and moved to Uppsala to study literature. It was there I took my first courses in philosophy, which was a revelation to me.
Uppsala philosophy was dominated by logic in the early 90’s. The professor were all studying modal logic. I was too in the beginning, but I was always looking to combine my interest in history with my passion for philosophy. It was through my professor at Uppsala Krister Segerberg that I came into contact with Simo Knuuttila in Helsinki. He was a world-renowned scholar of medieval philosophy and it was through him that I could combine my interest in logic/math and history. It was with him as my supervisor that I wrote my dissertation Modal Syllogistics in the Middle Ages (Brill 2000). It was the perfect start for me. It was the first dissertation in history of philosophy in Sweden for a very long time.
8. Jacobsen: As a professor at Stockholm University, what tasks and responsibilities come with the position?
Lagerlund: My position in Stockholm is as the professor of the history of philosophy. I do research and teaching in history of philosophy. I also supervise students at the MA level and at the PhD level. I do much the same things as I did in Canada (Western University) where I was previously. I moved to Stockholm in 2018. I enjoyed my time in Canada, but my position in Stockholm is much freer and I have more time to my own research. In Canada I had for a long period a lot of administration as Head of Department and as Director of the Rotman Institute of Philosophy. It gave me a lot of experience, but it is in a modern university impossible to combine such administrative roles with an active research profile. It was in many ways a relief to come back to Sweden to a position like the one I now occupy.
9. Jacobsen: What are the main areas of research and research questions now? In particular, why skepticism and its associated in-depth history, as you wrote a book on the subject, recently?
Lagerlund: Skepticism has fascinated me for a long time. Perhaps ever since I came into contact with philosophy. It has been an important part of philosophy ever since ancient times. I have also been looking into skepticism in the Middle Ages for some time. Almost 20 years now. I have gradually moved into Renaissance skepticism and further into later history of philosophy. I noticed that there were no complete history of skepticism. There were stuff on ancient and modern but no overview that also covered medieval skepticism. I decided to write one and it is coming out in May 2020 (Skepticism in Philosophy: A Comprehensive, Historical Introduction, Routledge 2020).
Skepticism is more important than ever. I end the book with a chapter about skepticism outside of philosophy today. I there relate skepticism to issues like the replication crisis in science and knowledge resistance. It is important to keep trak of what kind of skepticism we are dealing with, since skepticism today is often used as an argument for some dogmatism.
10. Jacobsen: If you could give advice to aspiring philosophy students with an interest in philosophy and the skepticism, what would it be for them?
Lagerlund: I think philosophy is needed more than ever in our divided and complicated world. History of philosophy and philosophy in general gives students a unique ability to navigate the world. To study the history of philosophy is to study reason at work. Reason is what gives us humans the ability to rule the world and adapt to new situations. It is why we are the dominant species, but as von Wright showed in his book and as climate change is showing us, it can also become our downfall and destruction. It is here that the role of skepticism becomes important. Reason can with the help of the right kind of skepticism be turned against itself and we can come to see how we need to modify our thinking and steer ourselves and our rationality in a new productive direction. Hume talks about this in his Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion. He writes that: “the mind must remain in suspense between them [that is, reason and common life]; and it is that very suspense or balance, which is the triumph of scepticism.” There is a balance to be upheld between reason and experience. Skepticism reins in reason when it gets carried away. Skepticism makes us step back and look again. Is this the right way to proceed or do we need to change course.
I welcome new students to philosophy and especially to the study of the history of philosophy. There are so many interesting areas to explore. I would advise them to look for ways to bridge gaps and look to new traditions of thinking and language traditions. Arabic philosophy needs much more study, but Indian and Chinese philosophy are severely neglected by Western scholars. Scholars that can bridge gaps between civilizations and heal the divides of the world.
11. Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Professor Lagerlund.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): USIA Blog (United Sigma Intelligence Association/USIA, formerly United Sigma Korea/USK, founded by HanKyung Lee, M.D. in 2007 as United Sigma Korea.)
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2020
Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 21.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Seventeen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: October 22, 2019
Issue Publication Date: January 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,701
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dr. Aubrey de Grey is a biomedical gerontologist based in Cambridge, UK and Mountain View, California, USA, and is the Chief Science Officer of SENS Research Foundation, a California-based 501(c) (3) charity dedicated to combating the aging process. He is also Editor-in-Chief of Rejuvenation Research, the world’s highest-impact peer-reviewed journal focused on intervention in aging. He received his BA and Ph.D. from the University of Cambridge in 1985 and 2000 respectively. His research interests encompass the characterisation of all the accumulating and eventually pathogenic molecular and cellular side-effects of metabolism (“damage”) that constitute mammalian aging and the design of interventions to repair and/or obviate that damage. Dr. de Grey is a Fellow of both the Gerontological Society of America and the American Aging Association, and sits on the editorial and scientific advisory boards of numerous journals and organisations. He discusses: new research on longevity and longevity escape velocity; promising anti-aging research; research all over the place; advancing research into the Hadwiger-Nelson problem; organizations to look into; books to look into; and final feelings and thoughts on the conversation.
Keywords: Aubrey de Grey, longevity, Rejuvenation Research, SENS Research Foundation.
An Interview with Dr. Aubrey de Grey on Longevity and Biomedical Gerontology Research Now: Chief Science Officer & Co-Founder, SENS Research Foundation; Editor-In-Chief, Rejuvenation Research[1],[2]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What is new about longevity escape velocity and research into it?
Dr. Aubrey de Grey: I could spend a half-hour just talking about that question. It has been a while. Remind me, how long ago was our last interview?
Jacobsen: 2014.
de Grey: All right, things are unrecognizable now. There is a private industry in this. In 2014/2015, it was the time when we created our first spinout. We took out a project philanthropically at SENS Research Foundation. An investor found us.
Jacobsen: Is this Peter Thiel?
de Grey: No, no, another person who had been one of our donors. A guy who was our second biggest donor back then. A guy named Jason Hope. He decided that one of our projects that we had been supporting at Rice University in Texas was ready to be commercialized.
Of course, it was early in terms of becoming a project. He felt that it was far enough along to invest as a project with his own money rather than as a donation. He created a biotech company of his own. He hired our people. He gave us a percent of the company and went off and tried to do it.
He did not have the faintest clue to run a biotech company.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
de Grey: It changed our attitude to the whole thing. Since then, our business model has been to pursue this kind of thing. It is to pursue projects that are too early to be investible. It is to be in parallel with conversations with potential investors and to identify the right point, where the thing has achieved enough proof of concept.
So, it can be spun out into a company and can receive considerable amounts of support, more than can be provided philanthropically. We have done this half a dozen times. We have been able to do this due to increasing investments at an increasing rate, including deep pocketed ones.
Something that happened 3 years ago with an investor named Jim Mellon who had made his money in a variety of other completely unrelated fields decided that he wanted to get into this. It was the next important thing to him.
He approached me. We started talking. We became very good friends, very quickly. The long of the short is he is the chair of a company called Juvenescence. Its model is basically to invest in other companies.
So, they have already put quite a bit of money into quite several start-ups. Some are spinouts of SENS. Others are closely aligned with what we do. It is transforming everything. It is fantastic. Around the same time, a guy came to us from Germany. A guy named Michael Greve who made his fortune in the early days of the German internet.
He made some of the most successful German websites. He has wanted to do this for a while. He has been investing in a variety of start-ups. The good news is most of these new investors, especially Michael Greve, have been also donating to the foundation as well as investing in companies.
That is very, very important, of course. For the near future, there will be projects that are not far enough along to really join the dots to make a profit. They will need to be funded philanthropically. We try to make the case to investors, even if they are inherently more in an investor mindset than a donor.
We try to make the case. Even if they donate a smaller amount than they are investing, they have as much of my time as they want. They will have the opportunity to have the information, so they will be the founding investor of the next startup.
For me, it is extraordinarily gratifying. I am at the nexus of all of this. Everyone comes to me, whether the investors or the founders of companies who want to find investments. I spend a ridiculous amount of my time just making introductions.
What had not changed, we are still woefully low on the money throughout the foundation. Even though, I have been able, as I say, to put some money in; and we have some money from elsewhere. Nevertheless, it is far less than we need.
I am constantly spending my time on the road and camera trying to change that. That is the biggest thing that has changed. The next thing that we are changing is the huge spike in the value of cryptocurrencies. We benefitted quite a lot from that. Several of our investors who used to be relatively penniless and had not funded us financially suddenly became rather wealthy.
They ended up with a lot of money. We had four 7-digit donations adding up to a total of 6.5 million dollars. So, obviously, this was a windfall. That we are making us of now. Only one of the donors is likely to be a repeat donor because the others decided to give away most of their fortune.
That guy created Ethereum, Vitalik Buterin. He, basically, read my book when he was 14. He is now 26.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
de Grey: He is one of these true children of the revolution who never had to change their mind about anything. They always grew up knowing it was a sad thing and tried to fix it. So, that is cool. My life is largely the same in broad strokes, but, in the specifics, in terms of the ways in which I can bring the right money to the right people; it has improved a lot.
2. Jacobsen: As aging is numerous processes, what programs of anti-aging, given individual processes of aging, seem the most promising within your remit?
de Grey: When I talk about what is more promising and less promising, I am always looking at the research. I am looking at how SENS is moving forward. Of course, there is a big spectrum to how far along things are.
On the easy end of the spectrum, we have hardly done anything throughout our 10-year existence on stem cell research, even though it is a key area of damage repair. It is a place for others too. Almost every area of stem cell research is important for cell damage and aging, which is being done by others and not us.
While at the other end of the spectrum, things like making backup copies of Mitochondrial DNA, hardly anyone else is working on it. That is a big spectrum. But if I look at the rate of progress, it is not the same at all.
One gratifying thing is making great advances in some difficult areas over the last few years. For mitochondrial DNA, we published a paper about 2 and a half years ago that sounded like only a modest step forward.
Basically, out of the 13 protein coding genes that we need to work in the nucleus, we were able to make two of them work at the same time, in the same cell. It sounds modest, but it is a huge progression from before. With the result now, we have a paper in review, which is a huge step forward from there.
We have these genes working now. We are understanding how we are getting them working. It is not so much trial-and-error now. More of the same thing is crosslinking. So, as you know, the extracellular matrix, this lattice of proteins that gives our tissue their elasticity. It gets less elastic over time because of chemical reaction with circulating sugar.
So, in 2015, the group that we were funding in that area, at Yale University, were able to publish a paper – our first paper in Science magazine – on the huge advance in that area. The advance sounded tangential at first hearing with the structure, which is one of the structures responsible for the loss of this elasticity. We want to break it, therefore.
The advance made that was published was ways to create it, to synthesize it, from simple agents. As it turns out, there is an enabling step. It allows us to perform experiments that would be impossible with the very trace amounts of this material that would have been previously available, just making antibody tissue or finding bacterial enzymes that break it down.
That work is proceeding very much faster now, as well. That is one of the companies that we are in the process of spinning out.
3. Jacobsen: If you look at the projections of research that looked very promising, what ones were very disappointing? What ones came out of nowhere and were promising?
de Grey: Of course, they are all over the place. Some of the most important ones were the ones no one cares about. One is pluripotent stem cells created 13 years ago, and CRISPR, which was very much more recent, like 6 years ago.
We have been exploiting those advances. Same with the entire medical profession. But there are also isolated things that have been unexpected. Let us go back to mitochondrial mutations, one thing that we were kicking ourselves over. It will be talked about in the upcoming paper.
It is codon optimization. It is well-known. Mitochondrial DNA has a separate DNA. Codons code different things, different amino acids, compared to the nucleus (in the mitochondria by comparison). One thing is true, which we thought was relevant.
Out of the range of the codons that code for a given single amino acid, let us say the 4 that encode for lysine, there may be one of them used more often than others. This will affect the speed of translation of the messenger RNA among other things.
Nobody had bothered to try to optimize that for expression of these genes in the nucleus. It turns out that if you do then things go far, far better. It was a serendipitous discovery. Science, itself, is full of serendipitous discoveries.
4. Jacobsen: Also, you solved a math problem, recently. What was it?
de Grey: [Laughing] right, that was about 18 months ago. It is a problem called the Hadwiger-Nelson problem named after some mathematicians from 1950s. The question is normally stated, “How many colors do you need to color all of the points on the plane in order that no pair of points that is one inch apart is the same color?”
The answer was immediately shown back in 1950 to be somewhere between 4 and 7 inclusive. I was able to exclude the 4 case. Many, many, many mathematicians have worked on this in the interim. So, it was quite surprising that I was able to do this, as I am a recreational mathematician. I got lucky, basically.
I would describe this as a game. What you do is, you have a two-player game. The playing surface is an initial blank sheet of paper. Player 1 has a black pen. Player 2 has a bunch of colored pens. The players alternate. When player 1 makes a move. The point is to make a new dot wherever player 1 likes.
Player 2 must color the dot. He must take one of his pens and put a ring around the new dot. The only thing that player 2 is not allowed to do is to use the same color as he used for a previous dot that is exactly one inch away from the new dot.
Of course, there may be more than one dot. Player 1 wins the game if he can arrange things so that the new dot cannot be covered. All the player 2’s pens have been used for other dots that are exactly an inch away from the new dot, right?
The question is, “How many pens does player 2 need to have in order so that player 1 cannot win?”
Jacobsen: Right.
de Grey: So, if player 2 only has one pen, obviously, player 1 can win with just two dots. He puts a dot down. Player 2 uses the red pen. Player 1 puts down a second dot exactly an inch away. Player 2 cannot move. If player 2 has two pens, then player 1 can win with three dots by just placing a dot; player 2 can uses the red pen, places another dot an inch away.
Player 2 uses the blue pen. Player 1 uses third dot in the triangle with the two, so an inch away from both oft hem, then player 2 cannot move. So, then, it turns out. If player 2 has 3 pens, player 1 can also win. It is a little more complicated.
Player 1 needs seven dots. But again, it is not very complicated. It was already worked out back in 1950 as soon as humans started thinking about this kind of question. The natural question would be the number of dots go up in some exponential way, but player 1 can always win.
It turns out that that is not true. It turns out if player 2 has seven pens. Then player 1 can never win, no matter how many dots that he puts down. But what I was able to show, if player 2 has 4 pens, then player 1 can win, but with a lot of dots.
The solution that I found took more than 1,500 dots. It has been reduced by other people since then, but it is still over 500 is the record.
5. Jacobsen: [Laughing] if we are looking at the modern landscape, especially with the increase in funding, what organizations should individuals look to – other than your own as well?
de Grey: Things are looking good. There is a huge proliferation of investment opportunities as well, in this area. They are certainly raising money, as they are investing in more start-ups. In the non-profit world, there are plenty of organizations as well.
I should probably mention the Methuselah Foundation, which is the organization from which SENS Research Foundation arose. They are funding a bunch of research as well as doing prizes. They are choosing well and the right things to fund.
Then there is the buck institute, which is a much more traditional organization on the surface. In other words, it is mostly funded by the NIH and by relatively conservative funding sources. But! They understand the scientific situation. It has become much more acceptable to do work that is overtly translational, even if you are getting money from these types of sources.
We work closely with them. We have two ongoing projects there. We send summer interns there. We have been able to work with them on funding, in terms of bringing in new sources of funding. That is something hat I would include.
In terms of the world, one important organization is called LEAF or Life Extension Advocacy Foundation. One in the UK. One in the US. One in Russia. They focus on advocacy and outreach. They are extraordinarily good and play a key role in elevating the level of debate in this whole area.
In Europe, the Healthy Life Extension Foundation was founded by two people from Belgium. They run a nice conference every year, every couple of years anyway. They have a vibrant mailing list and spread useful information about this area. They could use some more money. The list goes on now.
There are increased organizations, now, not just in this space but really know what they are doing. They know what the priorities ought to be. One thing I have always known since the beginning. No matter how good I get at outreach and advocacy. I could never do this all myself, not just for lack of time, but because different people resonate with different audiences.
So, there are people who will overall inspire. Others will not like people with beards.
Jacobsen: [Laughing].
de Grey: People may not like my act. So, there are people around now who are very capably complementing the kind of style that I have in communicating the value of this work. That is also extraordinarily important.
6. Jacobsen: Any new books that can provide a good introductory foundation into this kind of research? Also, what about advanced texts as well?
de Grey: On the introductory side, there is one guy named Jim Mellon. So, Jim, this businessperson, has a very interesting of going about his job. He preferentially gets into very emerging new sectors. What he does is, he creates his own competition.
He, essentially, writes newsletters and blogs and books about this new area whose intended audience is other investors. That is what I mean by making his own competition. The reason he does this is, basically, that when a sector is just beginning. That the faster it grows, then the better.
Essentially, it is floating all boats by increasing the buzz around something. He wrote a book based on conversations with me over the previous year or so. It is called Juvenescence, which is the same as the name as his company. It is targeted to other investors.
It is very good. I was able to help with this a fair bit with the technical part. But it is written in a style that is very, very appealing, which is not a way that I would be able to write. He has a second edition upcoming. This is one that I would highlight.
In terms of advanced texts, I would not move to texts right now. Things are moving so fast. One simply needs to read the primary literature. One needs to identify that, which is not necessarily an easy thing to do. I would point to our community’s effort.
Probably, the most important one is to fight aging in the blog done by Reason. Even though he has become one of the CEOs of our start-up companies, he is running the blog. He is extremely good at highlighting the important points of the research.
7. Jacobsen: Any final feelings or thoughts in conclusion based on the conversation today?
de Grey: I would say, “Thank you for having me on your show again,” and for the opportunity to give an update to your audience. I think, really, the conclusion that I would give is that it is extremely exciting that things are moving much faster than before. But we must not be complacent.
There is still a long way to go. My estimation for how long we must go has gone down, but it has not nearly gone down enough. We still need to be putting in every effort that we possibly can in whatever way.
8. Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Dr. de Grey.
de Grey: My pleasure, Scott, thank you!
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ABSTRACT
Comprehensive interview with Dr. Aubrey de Grey, the Editor-in-Chief of the journal Rejuvenation Research, co-founder of the Methuselah Foundation, and co-founder of the SENS Foundation. The following interview covers the youth of Dr. de Grey; educational history; his work in the field of bio-gerontology and bio-medical gerontology; research conducted up until the present; definitions of ‘aging’ as seven separate processes: cell loss and cell atrophy, nuclear epi-mutations, mitochondrial mutations, death-resistant cells, extracellular crosslinks, extracellular aggregates, Intracellular aggregates; hypothetical research project; Methuselah Foundation (MF) & Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence Research Foundation (SENS) Foundation; and the trajectory of the ‘war against aging’.
Keywords: aging, bio-gerontology, bio-medical gerontology, cell atrophy, cell loss, Dr. Aubrey de Grey, Editor-in-Chief, Education, extracellular aggregates intracellular aggregates, extracellular crosslinks, Methuselah Foundation,mitochondrial mutations, nuclear epi-mutations, Rejuvenation Research, SENS Foundation, Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence.
1. How was your youth? How did you come to this point?
Pretty normal, but rather short on social life: I had no brothers or sisters (or indeed any family other than my mother), and I wasn’t particularly outgoing until I was about 15. I was always reasonably high-achieving academically and I immersed myself in that. When I discovered programming, and found I was fairly good at it, I decided to study computer science, and pretty quickly I decided to pursue a career in artificial intelligence research because I felt it was where I could make the most humanitarian difference to the world. At around 30, I started to realise that aging was a criminally neglected problem and that, maybe, I could make even more of a difference there. So I switched fields.
2. Where did you acquire your education? What education do you currently pursue?
I went to school at Harrow, a top UK boarding school, and then university at Cambridge. These days my education comes from my colleagues, via their papers and my interactions at conferences.
3. You work in the field of bio-gerontology. How do you define bio-gerontology? When did bio-gerontology interest you? Why did this field become a distinct area of research? Why does this garner such controversy?
In order to answer your question with clarity, I need to make a distinction first. There are two separate fields you’re talking about: bio-gerontology and bio-medical gerontology. Bio-gerontology is the study of the biology of aging as a basic science, with the goal of increasing our understanding of how it naturally occurs. Biomedical gerontology is the study of the biology of aging as a technology, with the goal of identifying ways to change how it naturally occurs (specifically, to slow or reverse it). Bio-gerontology has been a branch of biology for about 100 years, starting with ideas like the “rate of living theory”, and it’s not controversial at all. Biomedical gerontology has arguably existed for much longer, if you include the various elixirs that people have explored, but as a true field of technology I would argue that it has only existed for about 15-20 years, since people started trying to use what bio-gerontology had discovered as a guide to the development of therapies. I got interested in it about 20 years ago precisely because it was a field of technology that pretty much did not exist and I thought that maybe we understood aging well enough to start to develop such medicines. Bio-medical gerontology garners controversy because people are scared of how different the world would be if aging were truly eliminated, and also because (conversely!) people do not want to get their hopes up too soon so they put the issue out of their minds by kidding themselves that it would not be such a good thing after all.
4. What do you consider a pivotal moment in the transition to your current work?
The most pivotal moment was undoubtedly the night in 2000 when I realised that repairing the damage of aging would be much easier than stopping the damage from being created in the first place. That was a huge departure from traditional thinking. Of course there were many other pivotal moments leading up to that, but that’s the biggest one.
5. What kinds of research have you conducted up to the present?
SENS Research Foundation conducts and sponsors research in all areas relating to the repair of aging damage. In the SENS scheme, there are seven major types of damage – of course there are many examples within each type, but the classification into seven categories reflects our strategies for addressing them. We conduct research in all seven areas, prioritising aspects that are not being researched as thoroughly by others as we think is necessary. This ranges from stem cell work to create artificial organs or to regenerate existing tissue, to elimination of molecular “garbage” from the insides of cells and the spaces between them, to the restoration of function to mutant mitochondria, to the underlying basis of certain types of cancer – and that’s just a minority of the range of our interests.
6. If you currently conduct research, what form does it take?
Our research is really no different than any other biology research: we use the same techniques, the same equipment, our staff have the same skills. What’s different about our work is the goals: we pick our projects very carefully for maximum potential to hasten the development of a comprehensive panel of damage repair therapies that will postpone the ill-health of old age.
7. You define aging as a process. In particular, you define aging as seven processes: cell loss and cell atrophy, nuclear epi-mutations, mitochondrial mutations, death-resistant cells, extracellular crosslinks, extracellular aggregates, Intracellular aggregates. What academic and popular venues can professionals and lay-persons alike read on their own time about these processes in full detail? What processes have the most progress in slowing, halting, and reversing their respective portion of the aging process?
First, instead of “nuclear [epi] mutations” we normally say “Division-obsessed cells” these days. It’s the same concept but easier to explain.
The best place to discover about all this is, of course, our own output. Our website sens.org has summaries and somewhat more detailed descriptions of all these areas for the general audience. My book “Ending Aging” is also written to be comprehensible to non-biologists, but it’s extremely detailed and no biologist reading it would feel short-changed. Then of course there is my corpus of academic output that first described the SENS approach and its merits; the relevant papers are mostly from 2002 to 2005 and can easily be found in PubMed.
8. If you had infinite funding and full academic freedom, what would you research?
One of the benefits of being an independent non-profit is that we already have pretty full academic freedom. In particular, we are free to work on really difficult projects that do not deliver a steady stream of high-impact publications. Therefore, if we had much more funding, our overall strategy would not change much: mostly we would grow the projects we already pursue, parallelising them more so that they would go faster, rather than changing direction.
9. What do you consider the most controversial research topic at the moment? How do you examine the issue?
If anything I would say that the key research relevant to bio-medical gerontology is becoming less controversial. An obvious example is the development of iPS (induced pluripotent stem) cells, which has largely obviated the need to work with cells isolated by destroying embryos. Also, as we get better at genetically manipulating species relatively distant from us (like mice), we become progressively less reliant on experiments using non-human primates.
10. How would you describe your early philosophical framework? Did it change? If so, how did it change?
I don’t really view myself as having a philosophical framework. I guess that if I have one it is just that it’s my moral duty to do the best I can to improve people’s lives. But really I would more accurately say that that’s simply what makes me feel fulfilled, whether or not there is any objective ethical basis for it.
11. You co-founded the Methuselah Foundation (MF) & Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence Research Foundation (SENS) Foundation. You are Editor-in-Chief of the journal Rejuvenation Research. What purpose do these and other outlets serve for the bio-gerontology research community?
SRF is SENS Research Foundation; SENS is the methodology, SRF is the organisation pursuing the methodology. MF and SRF are not outlets for the research community – certainly SRF is not, because our focus is to do our own research. MF kind of acts as an outlet in that it highlights and popularises certain research areas by administering prize competitions. RR, on the other hand, is a regular peer-reviewed academic journal and thus is a standard type of outlet. It is distinctive mainly in that it is firmly focused on intervention, so it publishes work that might be seen as too “translational” for some other bio-gerontology journals but also too early-stage for clinical gerontology journals.
12. Who most influenced you? Can you recommend any seminal books/articles by them?
I have actually been influenced rather little by other opinion-formers. There are a few people I immensely admire, however, and in whose footsteps I try to follow. Let me just mention two, Mike West, founder of Geron and Advanced Cell Technology and now CEO of BioTime, has totally transformed the commercial landscape around some of the most critical biomedical technologies relevant to the defeat of aging, and I certainly recommend his book “The Immortal Cell.” Peter Diamandis founded the International Space University, then the Xprize Foundation, and then Singularity University, all real game-changes in the promotion and facilitation of visionary technologies designed to benefit humanity. His book “Abundance” tells the story really well. I’m privileged to know both Mike and Peter quite well and to benefit periodically from their insight.
13. Where do you see the bio-gerontology in the near and far future? Do you have a precise itinerary for major breakthroughs in the ‘war against aging’?
I will answer with regard to biomedical gerontology – see the distinction I made in my answer to question 3. The short answer is no – just as for any pioneering technology, the timeframe and even the order of events leading to final success is spectacularly speculative. However, I do think that the track we are on has at least a 50% chance of delivering really big increases in healthy (and, as a side-effect, total) lifespan in mice within the next decade and in humans two decades later.
14. What advice do you have for young researchers, especially those engaging in controversial research areas?
The good news is that research in aging has passed through two profound transitions that leave it as a much less controversial option than it used to be. Starting about 20 years ago, it transitioned from a backwater viewed by other biologists as a poor man’s field where hypotheses could not be tested, to a high-profile discipline whose leaders would get most of their papers published in Science or Nature. Then, over the past 5-10 years, it has become far more acceptable to work on aging with a biomedical mindset rather than a basic-science one, in other words with a goal of actually doing something about aging in the future rather than just understanding it better. So my advice would be not to be concerned about historic controversy, but to pick one’s research area on the basis of its relevance to the eventual goal. We at SRF are always happy to offer advice on this – we get queries all the time and we do our best to guide young researchers into the most high-priority areas.
15. Besides your own organizations and research interests, what fields of research, organizations, and non-profits can you recommend for interested readers?
I don’t know how to answer that question. Obviously my recommendation to those who share my basis for choosing a research area is to get involved with SENS. If someone is deciding what interests them on a different basis, they’ll come to a different conclusion, but I’m not about to try to tell them what conclusion.
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Numbering: Issue 21.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Seventeen)
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Individual Publication Date: September 1, 2019
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Words: 2,936
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Abstract
Dr. Ronald K. Hoeflin founded the Prometheus Society and the Mega Society, and created the Mega Test and the Titan Test. He discusses: faux and real genius; validity to Professor Robert Sternberg’s Triarchic Theory of intelligence with practical intelligence, creative intelligence, and analytical intelligence; validity to Multiple Intelligences Theory of Professor Howard Gardner with musical-rhythmic, visual-spatial, verbal-linguistic, logical-mathematical, bodily-kinesthetic, interpersonal, intrapersonal, naturalistic, existential, and teaching-pedagogical intelligences; validity to general intelligence, or g, of the late Charles Spearman; the general opinion on the three main theories of intelligence; self-identification as a genius; personal opinions on the state of mainstream intelligence testing and alternative high-range intelligence testing; statistical rarity for apparent and, potentially, actual IQ scores of females who score at the extreme sigmas of 3, 4, and 5, or higher; reducing or eliminating social conflicts of interest in test creation; multiple test attempts; data on the Mega Test and the Titan Test; pseudonyms and test scores; and possible concerns of the test creators at the highest sigmas.
Keywords: Charles Spearman, Francis Galton, Hereditary Genius, Howard Gardner, intelligence, IQ, Mega Society, Mega Test, Robert Sternberg, Ronald K. Hoeflin, The Encyclopedia of Categories, Titan Test.
An Interview with Dr. Ronald K. Hoeflin on Theories of Intelligence, Sex Differences, and Issues of IQ Test Takers and Test Creators: Founder, Prometheus Society; Founder, Mega Society (Part Three)[1],[2],[3]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
*Caption provided to the photo from Dr. Hoeflin in the third footnote.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Before delving into the theories, so a surface analysis, what defines a faux genius? What defines a real genius to you? Or, perhaps, what different definitions sufficiently describe a fake and a true genius for non-experts or a lay member of the general public – to set the groundwork for Part Three?
Dr. Ronald K. Hoeflin: I would say that genius requires high general intelligence combined with high creativity. How high? In his book Hereditary Genius, Francis Galton put the lowest grade of genius at a rarity of one in 4,000 and the highest grade at a rarity of one in a million. Scientists love to quantify in order to give their subject at least the appearance of precision. One in 4,000 would ensure one’s being noticed in a small city, while one in a million would ensure one’s being noticed in an entire nation of moderate size.
2. Jacobsen: By your estimation or analysis, any validity to Professor Robert Sternberg’s Triarchic Theory of intelligence with practical intelligence, creative intelligence, and analytical intelligence?
Hoeflin: I like Sternberg’s attempt at analyzing intelligence, but clearly just three factors seems a bit skimpy for a really robust theory.
3.Jacobsen: Any validity to Multiple Intelligences Theory of Professor Howard Gardner with musical-rhythmic, visual-spatial, verbal-linguistic, logical-mathematical, bodily-kinesthetic, interpersonal, intrapersonal, naturalistic, existential, and teaching-pedagogical intelligences?
Hoeflin: Here we have a more robust set of factors, but Gardner fails to show how his factors cohere within a single theory.
4. Jacobsen: Any validity to general intelligence, or g, of the late Charles Spearman?
Hoeflin: General intelligence was based on the fact that apparently quite diverse forms of intelligence such as verbal, spatial, and numerical have positive correlations between each pair of factors, presumably based on some underlying general intelligence.
5. Jacobsen: Amongst the community of experts, what is the general opinion on the three main theories of intelligence listed before? What one holds the most weight? Why that one?
Hoeflin: These are three theories in search of an overarching theory of intelligence. My guess is that the so-called “experts” lack the intelligence so far to create a really satisfactory theory of intelligence, perhaps analogous to the problem with finding a coherent theory of superstrings.
6. Jacobsen: Do you identify as a genius? If so, why, and in what ways? If not, why not?
Hoeflin: I think my theory of categories shows genuine genius. It even amazes me, as if I were just a spectator as the theory does its work almost independently of my efforts.
7. Jacobsen: Any personal opinions on the state of mainstream intelligence testing and alternative high-range intelligence testing now?
Hoeflin: I’m not up on the current state of intelligence testing. I do feel that it has focused way too much on the average range of intelligence, say from 50 to 150 IQ, i.e., from the bottom one-tenth of one percent to the top one-tenth of one percent. Testing students in this range is where the money is in academia. It’s like music: all the money to be made is in creating pop music, which is typically of mediocre quality. Background music for movies is probably as close as music comes these days to being of high quality, presumably because there is money to be made from the movie studios in such music. I saw a movie recently called “Hangover Square,” which came out in 1945. The title is unappealing and the movie itself is a totally unsuspenseful melodrama about a homicidal maniac whose identity is revealed right from the start. The one amazing thing about the movie was that the composer, Bernard Herman, composed an entire piano concerto for the maniac to purportedly compose and perform, with appropriate homicidal traits in the music to reflect the deranged soul of the leading character, the maniac. One rarely sees such brilliant musical talent thrown at such a horrible film. So I guess genius can throw itself into things even when the audience it is aimed at is of extremely mediocre quality. Maybe intelligence tests, even when they are aimed at mediocre students, can show glints of genius. The fact that I could attain the 99th percentile on tests aimed at average high-school students despite my slow reading due to visual impairment suggests that some psychometrician (or group of psychometricians) must have been throwing their creativity and intelligence into their work in an inspired way that smacks of true genius!
8. Jacobsen: Do the statistical rarities at the extreme sigmas have higher variance between males and females? If so, why? If not, why not? Also, if so, how is this reflected in subtests rather than simple composite scores?
Hoeflin: By “variance between males and females,” I presume you are alluding to the fact that there tend to be more men at very high scores than women. This is especially obvious in spatial problems, as well as kindred math problems, presumably due to men running around hunting wild game in spatially complex situations while women sat by the fireside cooking whatever meat the men managed to procure. But it is also true that men outperform women on verbal tests. On the second Concept Mastery Test, a totally verbal test, of the 20 members of Terman’s gifted group who scored from 180 to 190, the ceiling to the test, 16 were men but only 4 were women. This is a puzzling phenomenon, given women’s propensity for verbalizing. Perhaps chasing game involves verbal communication, too, so that nature rewards the better verbalizers among men in life-or-death situations. Warfare as well as hunting for game probably has a significant role in weeding out the unfit verbalizers among men.
9. Jacobsen: Following from the last question, if so, what does this imply for the statistical rarity for apparent and, potentially, actual IQ scores of females who score at the extreme sigmas of 3, 4, and 5, or higher?
Hoeflin: It obviously would be possible to breed women eugenically to increase the percentage of them with very high IQ scores. Even now, there are more women graduating from law school than men in the United States, which suggests no deficit in verbal intelligence at the high end of the scale. Although, there may be other reasons why men of high verbal intelligence avoid law as a career compared to women. Maybe, they are drawn away by other lucrative careers, such as business or medicine.
10. Jacobsen: In the administration of alternative tests for the higher ranges of general intelligence, individuals may know the test creator, even on intimate terms as a close colleague and friend. They may take the test a second time, a third time, a fourth time, or more. The sample size of the test may be very small. There may be financial conflicts of interest for the test creator or test taker. There may be various manipulations to cheat on the test. There may be pseudonyms used for the test to appear as if a first attempt at the alternative test. There are other concerns. How do you reduce or eliminate social conflicts of interest?
Hoeflin: Some people have used pseudonyms to take my tests when they were afraid I would not give them a chance to try the test a second or third time. There is not much incentive to score very high on these tests, except perhaps the prestige of joining a very high-IQ society. People cheat on standardized college admission tests, as we know from news reports, by getting other people to take the tests for them, for example. Considering how expensive colleges have become these days, my guess is that they will go the way of the dodo bird eventually, and people will get their education through computers rather than spending a fortune in a college. One guy cheated on my Mega Test by getting members of a think tank in the Cambridge, Massachusetts area to help him. He was pleased that I gave him a perfect score of 48 out of 48. He admitted cheating to Marilyn vos Savant, who informed me, so I disqualified his score. This was before my Mega Test appeared in Omni. Why he wanted credit for a perfect score that he did not deserve is beyond my understanding. I’d be more proud of a slightly lower score that I had actually earned. Another person has kept trying my tests, despite a fairly high scoring fee of $50 per attempt. I finally told him to stop taking the tests. His scores were not improving, so his persistence seemed bizarre.
11. Jacobsen: The highest score on the Mega Test on the first attempt by a single individual with a single name rather than a single individual with multiple names was Marilyn vos Savant at 46 out of 48. Similarly, with other test creators, and other tests, there were several attempts at the same test by others. Do the multiple test attempts and then the highest of those attempts asserted as the score for the test taker present an issue across the higher sigma ranges and societies?
Hoeflin: Some European guy did achieve a perfect score on the Mega Test eventually, about 20 years after the test first came out in 1985. The test is no longer used by any high-IQ societies that I know of due to the posting of mostly correct answers online by a malicious psychiatrist. He probably needed to see a psychiatrist to figure out what snapped in his poor head to do such a thing. I guess it’s a profession that attracts people with psychological problems that they are trying to understand and perhaps solve.
12. Jacobsen: What were the final sample sizes of the Mega Test and the Titan Test at the height of their prominence? How do these compare to other tests? What would be a reasonable sample size to tap into 4-sigma and higher ranges of intelligence with low margins of error and decent accuracy?
Hoeflin: A bit over 4,000 people tried the Mega Test within a couple of years of its appearance and about 500 people tried the Titan Test within a similar time period. Langdon’s LAIT test is said to have had 25,000 participants. His test was multiple choice, whereas mine were not. A multiple-choice test is easier to guess on than a non-multiple-choice test. My tests were normed by looking at the previous test scores that participants reported and then trying to create a distribution curve for my tests what would jibe with the distribution on previously-taken tests. So I did not need to test a million or more people to norm my tests up to fairly high levels of ability.
13. Jacobsen: What are the ways in which test-takers try to cheat on tests? I mean the full gamut. I intend this as a means by which prospective test takers and society creators can arm themselves and protect themselves from cheaters, charlatans, and frauds, or worse. Same for the general public in guarding against them, whenever someone might read this.
Hoeflin: If people’s wrong answers are too often identical with one another and out of sync with typical wrong answers, that is a clue that they are copying from one another or from some common source.
14. Jacobsen: Why do test takers use pseudonyms? How common is this practice among these types of test-takers? It seems as if a brazen and blatant attempt to take a test twice, or more, and then claim oneself as smart as the higher score rather than the composite of two, or more, scores, or even simply the lower score of the two, or more, if the scores are not identical.
Hoeflin: I know of a group of 5 M.I.T. students who collaborated and gave themselves the collective name of Tetazoo. There was also a professor at Caltech who tried the test but did not want his score publicized so he used the pseudonym Ron Lee. In both cases, the score just barely hit the one-in-a-million mark of 43 right out of 48. One person scored 42 right and wanted to try again so he used a pseudonym and managed to reach 47 right out of 48 on his second attempt.
15. Jacobsen: What have been and continue to be concerns for test creators at the highest sigmas such as yourself or others, whether active or retired? This is more of a timeline into the present question of the other suite of concerns.
Hoeflin: I do not know what are the main concerns of test designers, past or present, other than myself. I was fortunate to have Triple Nine members as guinea pigs to try out my trial tests, so I could weed out the less satisfactory problems. One could usually tell just by looking at a problem whether it would be a good one or not, but the inspiration to come up with good problems would involve steady effort over the course of a year or so, yielding for me on average about one good problem per week, plus about four not too good problems per week.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): USIA Blog (United Sigma Intelligence Association/USIA, formerly United Sigma Korea/USK, founded by HanKyung Lee, M.D. in 2007 as United Sigma Korea.)
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2020
Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 20.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Sixteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: August 22, 2019
Issue Publication Date: September 1, 2019
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 4,638
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dr. Ronald K. Hoeflin founded the Prometheus Society and the Mega Society, and created the Mega Test and the Titan Test. He discusses: inspiration for the Mega Society – its title, rarity, and purpose; inspiration for the Prometheus Society – its title, rarity, and purpose; inspiration for the Top One Percent Society – its title, rarity, and purpose; inspiration for the One-in-a-Thousand Society – its title, rarity, and purpose; inspiration for the Epimetheus Society – its title, rarity, and purpose; inspiration for the Omega Society – its title, rarity, and purpose; the developments of each society over time; communications of high-IQ societies, and harshest critiques of high-IQ societies; overall results of the intellectual community facilitated for the gifted; Prometheus Society and the Mega Society kept separate from the Lewis Terman Society, and Top One Percent Society, One-in-a-Thousand Society, Epimetheus Society, and Omega Society placed under the aegis of the “The Terman Society” or “The Hoeflin Society”; disillusionment with high-IQ societies; notable failures of the high-IQ societies; changing norms of the Mega Test and the Titan Test; the hypothetical Holy Grail of psychometric measurements; other test creators seem reliable in their production of high-IQ tests and societies with serious and legitimate intent respected by Dr. Hoeflin: Kevin Langdon and Christopher Harding; societies societies helpful as sounding boards for the Encyclopedia of Categories; librarian work helpful in the development of a skill set necessary for independent psychometric work and general intelligence test creation; demerits of the societies in personal opinion and others’ opinions; virtues and personalities as mostly innate or inborn, and dating and mating; and publications from the societies attempted to be published at a periodic rate.
Keywords: Christopher Harding, Giftedness, intelligence, IQ, Kevin Langdon, Mega Society, Mega Test, Prometheus Society, Ronald K. Hoeflin, The Encyclopedia of Categories, Titan Test.
An Interview with Dr. Ronald K. Hoeflin on High-IQ Societies’ Titles, Rarities, and Purposes, and Personal Judgment and Evaluations of Them: Founder, Prometheus Society; Founder, Mega Society (Part Two)[1],[2],[3]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
*Caption provided to the photo from Dr. Hoeflin in the third footnote.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Perhaps, we can run down the timeline of the six societies in this part with some subsequent questions: Prometheus Society (1982), Mega Society (1982), Top One Percent Society (1989), One-in-a-Thousand Society (1992), Epimetheus Society (2006), and Omega Society (2006). What was the inspiration for the Mega Society – its title, rarity, and purpose?
Dr. Ronald K. Hoeflin: Kevin Langdon had a list of 600 or so people who had qualified for his Four Sigma Society from the 25,000 Omni readers who tried his LAIT (Langdon Adult Intelligence Test) that appeared in Omni in 1979. Four Sigma was given a cut-off of four standard deviations above the mean, which on a normal curve would be about one-in-30,000 in rarity or the 99.997 percentile. So approximately one-thirtieth of them should have been qualified for a one-in-a-million society. I suggested to him that he might ask the top 20 scorers if they’d like to form the nucleus of a one-in-a-million society, but he evidently thought this cut-off was too high to be practical. So when he let his Four Sigma Society languish, I decided to start Prometheus as a replacement for it, with the Mega Society as a follow-through on my suggestion to him about starting a one-in-a-million society, where “mega” means, of course, “million,” indicating how many people each member would be expected to exceed in intelligence. With slightly over 7 billion people, there would be a pool of about 7,000 potential Mega Society members, or slightly less if we exclude young children. I knew of a statistical method by which several very high scores from several tests could be combined to equal a one-in-a-million standard, as if the several tests constituted a single gigantic test. So I accepted members using this statistical method until my Mega Test appeared in Omni in April 1985. I put the cut-off at a raw score of 42 out of 48 initially, but then increased this to 43 after getting a larger sample. The test was eventually withdrawn from official use for admission to the Mega Society because some psychiatrist maliciously published a lot of answers online that others could search out and copy. At this time my other test, the Titan Test, is the only one that the Mega Society will accept, again at a raw score of 43 out of 48.
2. Jacobsen: What was the inspiration for the Prometheus Society – its title, rarity, and purpose?
Hoeflin: The Prometheus Society, as mentioned above, was intended as a replacement for the Four Sigma Society, which Langdon had allowed to languish. Prometheus was a figure in Greek mythology who was punished by the gods for giving fire to humans. I told Kevin, half in jest, that I was stealing his idea for the Four Sigma Society from him like Prometheus stealing fire from the gods! On my Mega and Titan Test, the qualifying score for Prometheus is a raw score of 36 out of 48, roughly equivalent to a rarity of one-in-30,000 or the 99.997 percentile, the same as Four Sigma’s cut-off, i.e., a minimum qualifying score.
3. Jacobsen: What was the inspiration for the Top One Percent Society – its title, rarity, and purpose?
Hoeflin: I wanted to make a living publishing journals for high-IQ societies. I initially was able to do so as the editor for the Triple Nine Society, for which I was paid just $1 per month per member for each monthly journal I put out. When I started as editor in late 1979, there were only about 50 members, but once Kevin’s test appeared in Omni the number of members swelled to about 750. With $750 per month, I could put out a journal and still have enough left over to live on, since my monthly rent was just $75 thanks to New York City’s rent laws. When Kevin heard that I was able to do this, he was not amused, since he thought the editorship should be an unpaid position. So I started the Top One Percent Society from people who had taken my Mega Test in Omni in April 1985 and my Titan Test in April 1990, thus removing myself from any disputes with Kevin or other members of the Triple Nine Society. I liked being self-employed rather than work as a librarian, which had been my profession from 1969 to 1985, because difficulties with higher-ups in the library field could crop up if there were personality conflicts.
4. Jacobsen: What was the inspiration for the One-in-a-Thousand Society – its title, rarity, and purpose?
Hoeflin: I started the One-in-a-Thousand Society when income from my Top One Percent Society started to seem insufficient, even when I put out two journals per month rather than one for the Top One Percent Society. The third journal per month was a bit more hectic, but within my capacity.
5. Jacobsen: What was the inspiration for the Epimetheus Society – its title, rarity, and purpose?
Hoeflin: In Greek mythology, Epimetheus was a brother to Prometheus. I’d let the Prometheus and Mega societies fall into the control of other people, so I decided to create new societies at their same cut-offs but with different names and under my control. I don’t recall the motivation for founding Epimetheus, since starting in 1997 I qualified for Social Security Disability payments due to my poor vision and low income, and that completely solved all my financial worries, even when my rent gradually crept up from $75 to $150 from 1997 to around 2003. It is now permanently frozen at $150 a month due to an agreement with an earlier landlord, who wanted the City to give him permission to install luxury apartments where I live, for which he could charge $2,000 to $4,000 a month due to the proximity to Times Square, which is just ten minutes’ walk away. I think that the Prometheus Society was restricting the tests it accepted to just a very small number of traditional supervised IQ tests, excluding unsupervised amateur-designed tests like mine. I wanted my tests to still serve a practical purpose at the Prometheus and Mega cut-offs.
6. Jacobsen: What was the inspiration for the Omega Society – its title, rarity, and purpose?
Hoeflin: Chris Harding of Australia was forever founding new high-IQ societies with new names but whose existence was largely known only to him and the people he awarded memberships to. He founded an Omega Society at the one-in-3,000,000 cut-off, but I assumed after several years of hearing nothing about it that it must be defunct, so I decided to call my new one-in-a-million society the Omega Society, since “Omega” seemed a nice twin word for “Mega” just as “Epimetheus” served as a twin word for “Prometheus.” Chris wrote to me about this appropriation of his society’s name and I explained my reason for adopting it. He offered no further complaint about it.
7. Jacobsen: What were the developments of each society over time?
Hoeflin: I decided to devote my full-time attention to a massive multi-volume opus titled “The Encyclopedia of Categories,” of which I’d published a couple of one-volume versions in 2004 and 2005. When I noticed that Samuel Johnson’s great unabridged dictionary of 1755 could now be bought for just $9.99 from Kindle, the computer-readable format that avoids paper printing, I decided I could make an affordable multi-volume treatment of my “Encyclopedia of Categories.” I’d also discovered that quotations from collections of quotations could be analyzed in terms of my theory of categories, giving me a virtually inexhaustible source of examples considering how many quotation books there are out there. So I sold the four societies that were still under my control to Hernan Chang, an M.D. physician living in Jacksonville, Florida, as well as all of my IQ tests. Although, he lets me score the latter for him and collect the fee, since he is too busy to handle that. I began my multi-volume opus in late 2013 and believe I can complete a 10-volume version by the end of this year, 2019. I was initially aiming at a 13-volume version, in harmony with the number of basic categial niches I employ, but it would take until early 2021 to complete the extra 3 volumes, so I’ll publish a 10-volume version in January of 2020. The year 2020 as a publication date appealed to me because of its irony, given that my visual acuity falls far short of 20/20, and the year 2020 rolls around only once in eternity, if we stick to the same calendar. I could still put out more volumes in later editions if I felt so inclined, but I let readers voice an opinion on the optimum number of volumes.
8. Jacobsen: What was the intellectual productivity and community of the societies based on self-reports of members? What have been the harshest critiques of high IQ societies from non-members, whether qualifying or not?
Hoeflin: I think the focus of the higher-IQ societies has been on communication with other members through the societies’ journals. I never tried to keep track of the members’ “intellectual productivity.” As for harsh critiques of the high-IQ societies, the only thing that comes to mind is Esquire magazine’s November 1999 so-called “Genius” issue. It focused on four high-IQ-society members, including myself. I never read the issue except for the page about myself, and it took me two weeks to get up enough nerve to read even that page. I was told by others that the entire issue was basically a put-down of high-IQ societies and their members, although people said the treatment of me was the mildest of the four. I did notice that they wanted a photo of me that looked unattractive, me using a magnifying glass to read. I suggested a more heroic picture, such as me with one of my cats, but they kept taking pictures of me peering through that magnifying glass in a rather unflattering pose, with zero interest in alternative poses. Kevin Langdon was sarcastic about our willingness to expose ourselves to such unflattering treatment. (He was not among the four that they covered in that issue.)
9. Jacobsen: What have been the overall results of the intended goals of the provision of an intellectual community of like-gifted people who, in theory, may associate more easily with one another? I remain aware of skepticism around this idea, which may exist in the realm of the naive.
Hoeflin: I had found that I could not interact with members of Mensa, who generally treated me as a nonentity. I was also very shy and unable to put myself forward socially in Mensa groups. At the higher-IQ levels, however, I had the prominent role of editor and even founder, which made it possible for others to approach me and break through that shyness of mine. So I did manage to meet and interact with quite a few people by virtue of my participation in the high-IQ societies, although the ultimate outcome seems to be that I will probably end my life in total isolation from personal friends except a few people who reach out to me by phone or email, as in the present question-and-answer email format. As for other people, they will have to tell you their own stories, since people are quite diverse, even at very high IQ levels.
10. Jacobsen: Why were the Prometheus Society and the Mega Society kept separate from the Lewis Terman Society? Why were the Top One Percent Society, One-in-a-Thousand Society, Epimetheus Society, and Omega Society placed under the aegis of the Lewis Terman Society? Also, what is the Lewis Terman Society?
Hoeflin: I think Hernan Chang adopted the name “The Hoeflin Society” in preference to “The Terman Society” as an umbrella term for the four societies he purchased from me.
11. Jacobsen: What have been the merits of the societies in personal opinion and others’ opinions?
Hoeflin: Speaking personally, I have lost almost all interest in the high-IQ societies these days, although I am still a nominal, non-participatory member of several of them. One group I joined recently as a passive member named the “Hall of Sophia” unexpectedly offered to publish my multi-volume book in any format I like for free. The founder had taken my Mega or Titan test earlier this year (February 2019) and did quite well on it, and was sufficiently impressed to classify me as one of the 3 most distinguished members of his (so far) 28-member society. I was going to send out my book for free as email attachments fo people listed in the Directory of American Philosophers as well as to any high-IQ-society members who might be interested. So for me, the one remaining merit of the high-IQ societies would be to have a potential audience for my philosophical opus.
12. Jacobsen: When did you begin to lose interest or become disillusioned, in part, in high-IQ societies? My assumption: not simply an instantaneous decision in 2019.
Hoeflin: Editing high-IQ-society journals from 1979 onwards for many years, at first as a hobby and then as a livelihood, kept me interested in the high-IQ societies. I gave up the editing completely around 2009. Thirty years is plenty of time to become jaded. Getting Social Security Disability payments in 1997 removed any financial incentive for publishing journals. Over the years I’d travelled to such destinations as California and Texas and Illinois for high-IQ-society meetings, not to mention meetings here in New York City, when I had sufficient surplus income, but all things peter out eventually.
13. Jacobsen: What have been the notable failures of the high-IQ societies?
Hoeflin: There was actually talk of a commune-like community for high-IQ people, but after I saw how imperious some high-IQ leaders like Kevin Langdon were, this would be like joining Jim Jones for a trip to Guyana–insane! That’s hyperbole, of course. Langdon actually ridiculed the followers of Jim Jones for their stupidity in following such a homicidal and suicidal leader, not to mention his idiotic ideas. Langdon advocates a libertarian philosophy, but in person he is very controlling. I guess we just have to muddle through on our own, especially if we have some unique gift that we have to cultivate privately, not communally. Langdon often ridiculed my early attempts to develop a theory of categories, but I’m very confident in the theory now that I have worked at it for so long. Human beings tend to organize their thoughts along the same systematic lines, just like birds instinctively know how to build nests, spiders to build webs, and bees to build honeycombs. My analyses are so new and startling that I’m sure they will eventually attract attention. If I’d been an epigone of Langdon, I’d never have managed to develop my theory to its present marvellous stage.
14. Jacobsen: With the Flynn Effect, does this change the norms of the Mega Test and the Titan Test used for admissions purposes in some societies at the highest ranges?
Hoeflin: A lot of people suddenly started qualifying for the Mega Society, perhaps from copying online sources or perhaps from the test suddenly coming to the attention of a lot of very smart people. So initially higher scores on that test were required and then the test was abandoned entirely as an admission test for the Mega Society. Terman found that his subjects achieved gradually higher IQ scores on his verbal tests the older they got. One theory is that as people gradually accumulate a larger vocabulary and general knowledge (crystallized intelligence) their fluid intelligence, especially on math-type tests, gradually declines, so that if one relies on both types of intelligence, then your intelligence would remain relatively stable until extreme old age. There has been no spurt in extremely high scores on the Titan Test, however.
15. Jacobsen: What would be the Holy Grail of psychometric measurements, e.g., a non-verbal/culture fair 5-sigma or 6-sigma test?
Hoeflin: The main problem with extremely difficult tests is that few people would be willing to attempt them, so norming them would be impossible. I was astonished that the people who manage the SAT have actually made the math portion of that test so easy that even a perfect score is something like the 91st percentile. Why they would do such an idiotic thing I have no idea. Terman did the same thing with his second Concept Mastery Test, so that a Mensa-level performance on that test would be a raw score of 125 out of 190, whereas a Mensa-level performance on the first CMT was 78 out of 190. Twenty members of his gifted group had raw scores of 180 to 190 on the second CMT whereas no member of his group had a raw score higher than 172 out of 190 on the first CMT. His reason was to be able to compare his gifted group with more average groups such as Air Force captains, who scored only 60 out of 190 on the second test, less than half as high as Mensa members. A lot of amateur-designed intelligence tests have such obscure and difficult problems that I am totally unable to say if those tests have any sense to them or not. Perhaps games like Go and Chess are the only ways to actually compare the brightest people at world-record levels. But such tests yield to ever-more-careful analysis by the competitors, so that one is competing in the realm of crystallized intelligence (such as knowledge of chess openings) rather than just fluid intelligence. Even the brightest people have specialized mental talents that help them with some tests but not with others, like people who compete in the Olympic Decathlon, where some competitors will do better in some events and others in other events, the winner being the one with the best aggregate score. General intelligence means that even diverse tests like verbal, spatial, and numerical ones do have some positive intercorrelation with each other–they are not entirely independent of each other. The best tests select problems that correlate best with overall scores. But few if any of the amateur-designed tests have been subjected to careful statistical analysis. Some people did subject my Titan Test to such statistical analysis and found that it had surprisingly good correlations with standard intelligence tests, despite its lack of supervision or time limit.
16. Jacobsen: Other than some of the work mentioned. What other test creators seem reliable in their production of high-IQ tests and societies with serious and legitimate intent? Those who you respect. You have the historical view here – in-depth in information and in time. I don’t.
Hoeflin: I think Kevin Langdon’s tests are very well made and intelligent, but he tends to focus on math-type problems. Christopher Harding, by contrast, focuses on verbal problems and does poorly in math-type problems. For international comparisons across languages, I guess one would have to use only math-type problems, as I did in my Hoeflin Power Test, which collected the best math-type problems from the three previous tests (Mega, Titan, and Ultra). But English is virtually a universal language these days, so perhaps verbal tests that focus on English or perhaps on Indo-European roots could be used for international tests, except that Indo-European languages constitute only 46% of all languages, by population. I think Chinese will have difficulty becoming culturally dominant internationally because the Chinese language is too difficult and obscure for non-Chinese to mess with.
17. Jacobsen: Were the societies helpful as sounding boards for the Encyclopedia of Categories?
Hoeflin: I used high-IQ-society members as guinea pigs to develop my intelligence tests, but my work on categories I have pursued entirely independently, except for the precursors I rely on, notably the philosopher Stephen C. Pepper (1891-1972), who taught at the University of California at Berkeley from 1919 to 1958. Oddly enough, in his final book titled Concept and Quality (1967) he used as a central organizing principle for his metaphysics what he called “the purposive act,” of which he said on page 17: “It is the act associated with intelligence”!!! I simply elaborated this concept from 1982 when I first read Concept and Quality onward, elaborating it into a set of thirteen categories by means of which virtually any complete human thought or action, as in a quotation, can be organized. In my introductory chapter, which currently traces the development of my theory from William James last book, A Pluralistic Universe, to the present, I now plan to trace the thirteen categories not just to the Greeks and Hebrews but back to animal life and ultimately back to the Big Bang, breaking the stages of its development into 25 discrete ones including my own contributions toward the end. I may begin with Steven Weinberg’s book The First Three Minutes and end with Paul Davies kindred book, The Last Three Minutes, if I can manage to extract convincing 13-category examples from each of these books.
18. Jacobsen: How was librarian work helpful in the development of a skill set necessary for independent psychometric work and general intelligence test creation?
Hoeflin: It was mostly helpful to me because I could work part-time during the last ten years of my 15 or 16 years as a librarian, which gave me the leisure for independent hobbies, thought, and research.
19. Jacobsen: What have been the demerits of the societies in personal opinion and others’ opinions?
Hoeflin: There tends to be a lot of arrogance to be found among members of the high-IQ societies, so charm is typically not one of their leading virtues. They generally assume that virtually everyone they speak to is stupider than they are.
20. Jacobsen: How can members be more humble, show more humility? Also, what are their leading virtues?
Hoeflin: I think personalities are largely inborn and can’t be changed much. Perhaps there should be sister societies, analogous to college sororities, for women who have an interest in socializing with high-IQ guys for purposes of dating and mating. In the ultra-high-IQ societies, women constitute only about 6% of the total membership. (Parenthetically, if you look at the Wikipedia list of 100 oldest living people, one usually finds about 6 men and 94 women.) In Mensa, the percentage of women typically ranges from 31% to 38%.
21. Jacobsen: How many publications come from these societies? What are the names of the publications and the editors in their history? What ones have been the most voluminous in their output – the specific journal? Why that journal?
Hoeflin: Each society generally has a journal that it tries to publish on a regular basis. Kevin Langdon puts out Noesis, the journal for the Mega Society, about twice per year. I also get journals from Prometheus and Triple Nine and Mensa. The four societies Hernan Chang operates all function entirely online, and I have never seen any of their communications. Even the journals I get I only glance at, never read all the way through. Due to my very slow reading speed, I tend to focus my reading on books that seem worthwhile from which to collect examples for my “Encyclopedia of Categories.”
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2020
Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 20.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Sixteen)
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ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Dr. Ronald K. Hoeflin founded the Prometheus Society and the Mega Society, and created the Mega Test and the Titan Test. He discusses: family geographic, cultural, linguistic, and religious background; depth of known family history; feelings about some distinguished family members in personal history; upbringing for him; discovery and nurturance of giftedness; noteworthy or pivotal moments in the midst of early life; and early aptitude tests.
Keywords: Giftedness, intelligence, IQ, Mega Society, Mega Test, Prometheus Society, Ronald K. Hoeflin, The Encyclopedia of Categories, Titan Test.
An Interview with Dr. Ronald K. Hoeflin on “The Encyclopedia of Categories,” Family History and Feelings, Upbringing and Giftedness, and Aptitudes: Founder, Prometheus Society; Founder, Mega Society (Part One)[1],[2],[3]
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
*Caption provided to the photo from Dr. Hoeflin in the third footnote.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: In due course of this personal and educational comprehensive interview, we will focus, in-depth, on the monumental life work of the (currently) 10-volume The Encyclopedia of Categories – a truly colossal intellectual endeavour. You founded some of the, if not the, most respected general intelligence tests in the history of non-mainstream general intelligence testing: The Mega Test and the Titan Test. Also, you founded the Mega Society in 1982. Another respected product of a distinguished and serious career in the creation of societies for community and dialogue between the profoundly and exceptionally gifted individuals of society. Before coverage of this in the interview, let’s cover some of the family and personal background, I intend this as comprehensive while steering clear of disagreements or political controversies between societies, or clashes between individuals in the history of the high IQ societies – not my territory, not my feuds, not my business. Almost everything at the highest sigmas started with you [Ed. some integral founders in the higher-than-2-sigma range include Christopher Harding and Kevin Langdon], as far as I can tell, I want to cover this history and give it its due attention. What was family background, e.g., geography, culture, language, and religion or lack thereof?
Dr. Ronald K. Hoeflin: I recently wrote a 51-page autobiographical sketch for inclusion in my upcoming multi-volume treatise titled The Encyclopedia of Categories, a 10-volume version of which will probably be available for free as ten email attachments by January of 2020. I was aiming for a 13-volume version, but I don’t think I can complete that length before the end of 2020. Given that my vision is way below 20/20, I liked the irony of publishing this final magnum opus of mine in the year 2020. I can always stretch it to 13 or more volumes in subsequent editions. I will not quote what I say in that autobiographical sketch, although the information provided will be roughly the same. My mother’s ancestors came from the British Isles (England, Scotland, and Ireland) mostly in the 1700s. My mother’s father was a hellfire-and-brimstone Southern Methodist itinerant preacher in the state of Georgia. He’s the only one of my four grandparents I never met. My mother brought me up as a Methodist, but I asked a lot of questions by my mid-teens and became a complete atheist by the age of 19, which I have remained ever since (I’m now 75). I gave my mother Bertrand Russell’s essay “Why I Am Not a Christian” to read aloud to me so we could discuss it. It seemed to convince her to give up religion, which shows unusual flexibility of mind for a person in her 50s. She had previously read such books as The Bible as History and Schweitzer’s Quest of the Historical Jesus, his doctoral dissertation in theology. My father’s parents came to this country in the late 1890s, his mother from the Zurich region of Switzerland and his father from the Baden region of Germany. His father was a pattern maker, a sort of precision carpentry in which he made moulds for machine parts to be poured from molten metal in a foundry. My father became an electrical engineer, initially working on power lines in the state of Missouri, then becoming a mid-level executive for the main power company in St. Louis, Missouri, doing such things as preparing contracts with hospitals for emergency electrical power generation if the main city-wide power cut off. He had worked his way through college by playing the violin for dance bands, and as an adult he taught ballroom dancing in his own studio as a hobby. My mother was an opera singer. In my autobiography, I list the 17 operas she sang in during her career, usually with leading roles due to the excellence of her voice. My father initially spoke German up to the age of 2, but his parents decided they did not want their daughter doing so, so they started speaking English at home, so she never learned German. My father’s mother became a devoted Christian Scientist and got her husband and two daughters to adopt this religion. My father became an atheist, and when he heard that my brother was thinking of becoming a Methodist minister sent him a copy of Thomas Paine’s book The Age of Reason, which promotes Paine’s deism, in which he accepted a deity and an afterlife but rejected the Bible as a guide, regarding the universe itself as God’s true bible. My brother never read the book but I did, and I told my father I enjoyed the critique of the Bible but did not accept a God or afterlife, and my father said that these two beliefs could readily be discarded, but that Paine should be given credit for his advanced thinking in an era and country that so fiercely rejected atheism. My brother ultimately became a computer programmer for the pension system for employees of the state of California. My sister became a ballet dancer for the Metropolitan Opera in New York City. I list 25 operas she danced in in my autobiography. She went on to teach ballet at an upstate New York college, being honored one year as the college’s most distinguished teacher.
2. Jacobsen: How far back is knowledge of the family history for you?
Hoeflin: I don’t know much beyond what is stated above. My sister has more detailed records. One of my mother’s grandfathers apparently owned over a hundred slaves in the South before the Civil War. My mother was occasionally treated badly in St. Louis due to her Southern accent, but she actually was very kindly toward black people and she once gave a black woman a ride in her car for a mile or so while I moved to the back seat. I do have memories of visits to my mother’s mother in Atlanta, Georgia. She died before my third birthday, but my memories go back much further than is normal with most people. I liked to swing on the swing in my mother’s mother back yard with one of her chickens in my lap. She raised the chickens to sell their eggs, but evidently also killed them for dinner. I am even now very tender-hearted towards animals and would never kill a chicken or cow or what have you. But I still do eat meat out of habit, even though I regard it as not very ethical to do so. If I had a better income I’d arrange to eat just a vegetarian diet, mostly fruits and oatmeal. I loathe cooked green vegetables except in soups.
3. Jacobsen: Some harbour sentiments and feelings based on distinguished family members from centuries or decades ago. Those who died with great achievements or honourable lives in the sense of a well-lived life – whether prominent or not. Any individuals like this for you? Any sentiments or feelings for you?
Hoeflin: A genealogist traced my mother’s ancestors to a close relative of a governor of Virginia. My mother said some of her relatives were distinguished doctors (M.D.s). I have a close friend who lives in Poland now, where she was raised, who is a great-great-great-great granddaughter of Catherine the Great (one of her great-grandmothers was a great-granddaughter of Catherine the Great). She shares a surprising number of characteristics that Catherine had despite the rather distant ancestry: a significant talent for learning languages, a love of art, an imperious attitude, and an embarrassing number of superstitions. I also dated a woman who was an out-of-wedlock daughter of Pablo Picasso, and there again there were striking similarities between the daughter and her father, even though she did not learn from her mother that he was her real father until 1988, some 15 year after his death in 1973. She started out as a virtuoso violinist, but by her 20s became a painter and had works of art in five different museums by the time she learned who her true father was. She also had facial features very much like Picasso’s, even though she was raised in a German family. I am proud that my mother and sister were so gifted in their respective arts (singing and ballet). When I drew up a list of my favourite classical musical pieces for my autobiography, I looked at YouTube to see the actual performances, and it struck me what a lot of amazingly talented people could perform these magnificent pieces of music, and I regret how limited I am in my talents. I can’t even drive a car due to my poor eyesight! It is chiefly or only in these incredible aptitude test scores that I seem to shine way beyond the norm. I read when I was in high school that the average high-school graduate could read 350 words per minute, so I tested myself, and I found that on a few pages of a very easy sci-fi novel I could read only 189 words per minute at top speed, which works out to just 54% as fast as the average high-school graduate. Yet on timed aptitude tests as a high-school sophomore, I reached the 99th percentile in verbal, spatial, and numerical aptitude despite this huge speed deficit. And on the verbal aptitude section of the Graduate Record Exam I reached the top one percent compared to college seniors trying to get into graduate school, an incredible achievement given my dreadful reading speed. As I mention in my autobiographical sketch, if I had to read aloud, even as an adult I read so haltingly that one would assume that I am mentally retarded if one did not know that the cause is poor eyesight, not poor mental ability.
4. Jacobsen: What was upbringing like for you?
Hoeflin: My parents were divorced when I was 5 and my mother went through hours-long hysterical tantrums every 2 or 3 weeks throughout my childhood, which were emotionally traumatic and nightmarish. My father had an affable and suave external demeanour but was very selfish and cruel underneath the smooth facade. My brother pushed me downstairs when I was 3 and I stuck my forehead on the concrete at the bottom, causing a gash that had to be clamped shut by a doctor. It was discovered that I had a detached retina when I was 7 (because I could not read the small print in the back of the second-grade reader that the teacher called on me to read), and I spent my 8th birthday in the hospital for an eye operation, for which my father refused to pay since he did not believe in modern medicine, just healthy living as the cure for everything. So even though he was an engineer, my mother had a more solid grasp of physical reality than he did, as I mentioned to her once. I flunked out of my first and third colleges due in large measure to my visual problems, but I eventually received two bachelor’s degrees, two master’s degrees, and a doctorate after going through a total of eight colleges and universities. So all in all my childhood was rocky and unpleasant. As an adult, I took the personality test in the book Personality Self-Portrait and my most striking score was on a trait called “sensitivity,” on which I got a perfect score of 100%. On the twelve other traits, I scored no higher than 56% on any of them. I never tried sexual relations until the age of 31, and I found that I could never reach a climax through standard intercourse. I had a nervous breakdown after trying group psychotherapy for a few sessions when the group’s criticism of the therapist after he left the room reminded me of my mother’s criticisms of my father, crying for 12 hours straight. When I mentioned this at the next therapy session, one of the other people in the group came up to me afterward and told me he thought I was feeling sorry for myself, despite the fact that my report to the group was very unemotional and matter-of fact, not dramatic. I accordingly gave up group therapy after that session. On the personality test, on the trait called “dramatic”, I actually scored 0%, probably because pretending to be unemotional discourages needling from sadistic people who love to goad a highly sensitive person like me.
5. Jacobsen: When was giftedness discovered for you? Was this encouraged, supported, and nurtured, or not, by the community, friends, school(s), and family?
Hoeflin: At the age of 2 my mother’s mother picked me up when I was running to her back yard upon arriving in Atlanta to grab one of her chickens to swing with it on my lap. At first I ignored her, but then I surmised that she wanted to ask me a question, so I looked at her face, waiting for her question, which never came. Maybe she didn’t realize that my command of the language had improved since my previous visit. She eventually tapped me on the head and told my mother “You don’t have to worry about this one, he’s got plenty upstairs.” My mother told me this story several times over the years, and I finally put two and two together and told my mother I recalled the incident, which shocked her considering how young I had been. I told her that her mother had probably been impressed by my long attention span. My mother then thought that the incident was not as important and mysterious as she has thought, but actually a long attention span at such a young age is probably a good sign of high intelligence. It was not until I was in the fifth grade that I was given aptitude tests and the teacher suddenly gave me eighth-grade reading books and sixth-grade math books. This was in a so-called “sight conservation class” for the visually impaired that I attended in grades 3 through 5. The teacher taught students in grades 1 through 8 in a single classroom because very poor vision is fairly rare even in a city as large as St. Louis, at that time the tenth-largest city in the United States. That gave me plenty of time to explore my own interests, such as geography using the world maps they had on an easel. In grade 8, back in a regular classroom, we were given another set of aptitude tests, and the teacher mentioned to the class that I had achieved a perfect score on a test of reading comprehension, meaning I was already reading at college level. The teacher gave us extra time on the test so I would have time to finish the test. A problem toward the end of the test clued me in on how to solve a problem that had stumped me earlier in the test, so I went back and corrected that previous answer. Then there were those three 99th percentile scores as a high-school sophomore that I’ve already mentioned. When I learned that my reading speed was so slow compared to others, I realized that my true aptitudes (minus the visual handicap) must be well within the top one percent on each of the three tests.
6. Jacobsen: Any noteworthy or pivotal moments in the midst of early life in school, in public, with friends, or with family?
Hoeflin: In the seventh grade I suddenly started creating crossword puzzles and mazes, a harbinger of my later creation of the two tests that appeared in Omni magazine in April 1985 and in April 1990. I also collected lists of fundamental things such as independent countries of the world, the Western Roman emperors, the chemical elements, the planets and their moons, etc., in keeping with my much earlier childhood ambition to know everything. If you can’t know everything, then at least know the basic concepts for important subjects like geography, history, chemistry, astronomy, etc. These lists were a harbinger of my current multi-volume treatise on categories.
7. Jacobsen: Were there early aptitude tests of ability for you? What were the scores and sub-test scores if any? Potentially, this is connected to an earlier question.
Hoeflin: The only other test I should mention is the Concept Mastery Test. Lewis Terman collected a group of 1,528 California school children in grades 1 through 12 with IQs in the 135 to 200 range. To test their abilities as adults he and his colleagues constructed two 190-problem tests covering mostly vocabulary and general knowledge, which are easy problems to construct but are known to correlate well with general intelligence, the first test (Form A) administered to his group in 1939-1940 and the second one (Form B, latter called Form T) in 1950-52. About 954 members of his group tried the first one and I think 1,024 tried the second test. But Terman made the second test much easier than the first in order to make it easier to compare his group to much less intelligent groups such as Air Force captains. So the Mensa (98th percentile) cut-off would be a raw score of about 78 out of 190 on the first test and about 125 out of 190 on the second. I was editor for the Triple Nine Society (minimum requirement: 99.9 percentile) for a few years starting in 1979, and some members sent me copies of the two CMT tests so I could test TNS members. Since the CMT tests were untimed, I was not handicapped by the speed factor. Compared to Terman’s gifted group I reached the top one percent on both tests. According to Terman’s scaling of Form A, my raw score of 162.5 would be equivalent to an IQ of 169.4 (assuming a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 16 IQ points), where an IQ of 168.3 would be equivalent to the 99.999 percentile or one-in-100,000 in rarity. By comparing adult CMT IQs with childhood Stanford-Binet IQs for Terman’s group, I calculated that my adult 169.4 IQ would be equivalent to a childhood IQ of 192. The one-in-a-million level on the two tests (the 99.9999 percentile) would be about 176 IQ on the CMT and 204 IQ on the Stanford-Binet, respectively.
The Guinness Book of World Records abandoned its “Highest IQ” entry in 1989 because the new editor thought (correctly) that it is impossible to compare people’s IQs successfully at world-record level. The highest childhood IQ I know of was that of Alicia Witt, who had a mental age of 20 at the age of 3. Even if she had been 3 years 11 months old, this would still amount to an IQ of over 500! At the age of 7, she played the super-genius sister of the hero in the 1984 movie Dune. On a normal (Gaussian) curve such an IQ would be impossible since an IQ of 201 or so would be equivalent to a rarity of about one-in-7-billion, the current population of the Earth. But it is well known to psychometricians that childhood IQs using the traditional method of mental age divided by chronological age fail to conform to the normal curve at high IQ levels. The Stanford-Binet hid this embarrassing fact in its score interpretation booklet (which I found a copy of in the main library of the New York Public Library) by not awarding any IQs above 169, leaving the space for higher IQs blank! The CMT avoids the embarrassment of awarding IQs of 500 or more by having a maximum possible IQ on Form A (the harder of the two CMTs) of 181. Leta Speyer and Marilyn vos Savant, both of whom I had dated for a time, had been listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as having world-record IQs of 196 and of 228, respectively, Marilyn having displaced Leta in the 1986 edition. Leta felt that the 228 IQ of Marilyn was fake, but I was aware that these childhood scores could go well beyond 200 IQ because they fail to conform to the normal curve that Francis Galton had hypothesized as the shape of the intelligence curve in his seminal book Hereditary Genius (first edition 1869, second edition 1892). I was unable to contact Alicia Witt to see if she would be interested in joining the Mega Society. I should note that the three key founders of the ultra-high-IQ societies (99.9 percentile or above) were Chris Harding, Kevin Langdon, and myself. Harding founded his first such society in 1974, Langdon in 1978, and myself in 1982. Mensa, the granddaddy of all high-IQ societies with a 98th percentile minimum requirement, was founded in 1945 or 1946 by Roland Berrill and L. L Ware, and Intertel, with a 99th percentile minimum requirement, was founded in 1966 or 1967 by Ralph Haines. I don’t care to quibble about the precise dates that Mensa and Intertel were founded, so I have given two adjacent dates for each. In its article “High IQ Societies” Wikipedia lists just 5 main high-IQ societies: Mensa, Intertel, the Triple Nine Society, the Prometheus Society, and the Mega Society (minimum percentile requirements: 98, 99, 99.9, 99.997, and 99.9999, respectively; or one-in 50, one-in-100, one-in-1,000, one-in-30,000, and one-in-1,000,000; dates founded: roughly 1945, 1966, 1979, 1982, and 1982; founders: Berrill and Ware, Haines, Kevin Langdon, Ronald K. Hoeflin, and Ronald K. Hoeflin, respectively.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): USIA Blog (United Sigma Intelligence Association/USIA, formerly United Sigma Korea/USK, founded by HanKyung Lee, M.D. in 2007 as United Sigma Korea.)
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2020
Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 22.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Eighteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: March 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 3,124
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Professor Duncan Pritchard is UC Distinguished Professor of Philosophy at the University of California, Irvine. His monographs include Epistemic Luck (Oxford UP, 2005), The Nature and Value of Knowledge (co-authored, Oxford UP, 2010), Epistemological Disjunctivism (Oxford UP, 2012), Epistemic Angst: Radical Skepticism and the Groundlessness of Our Believing (Princeton UP, 2015), and Skepticism: A Very Short Introduction (Oxford UP, 2019). He discusses: epistemology; skepticism; Wittgenstein; cognitive science; philosophy of religion and theology; the decline of some philosophy of religion and theology; philosophy of education; philosophy of law; anti-luck virtue epistemology; and bringing these together at once.
Keywords: Duncan Pritchard, epistemic, epistemology, Irvine, philosophy, pyrrhonian, skepticism, University of California, Wittgenstein.
An Interview with Distinguished Professor Duncan Pritchard, FRSE on Epistemology, Skepticism, Wittgenstein, Cognitive Science, Education, and Law: Distinguished Professor, University of California, Irvine & Director, Graduate Studies, Philosophy, University of California, Irvine (Part Two)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Thank, very much, for the charming Part One to the interview. As agreed, we intend this as a long-form interview. I decided parts because some interviews work best in segments if done in this manner. Now, with some of the family and personal narrative brought forward in an entertaining manner, I would like to focus on some of the important issues dealing with the academic work. Your stipulated research interests include “Epistemology; Skepticism; Wittgenstein; Philosophy of Cognitive Science; Philosophy of Religion; Philosophy of Education; Philosophy of Law.” In my time at UCIrvine, I was impressed by the culture, the academic atmosphere, and the area, in general. Your foci, certainly, seem related to one another. So, I agree. It’s an exciting place. Let’s make this an Anthill – so to speak – Part Two or session two for the audience today, the hill or mound will be built in the sequence of the aforementioned topics in the quote above. Once I read more thoroughly through materials by you, I will then utilize these responses to dig more directly into the dirt and find some ants for eating. Many of the listed interests seem straightforward. I will inquire in the order presented. So, epistemology is the study of how we acquire knowledge. It’s a foundational field. When did this interest in epistemology come forward for you?
Professor Duncan Pritchard: It was epistemology that got me into philosophy, if truth be told. I took a course on the subject and found it fascinating, and I soon switched to studying straight philosophy (I had previously been studying English Literature). Although I’ve done work on other areas of philosophy, I keep returning to epistemological questions, as they always seem so fundamental. Indeed, even when I do engage with another area of philosophy, such as the philosophy of mind, it always seems to be the epistemological questions within that domain that interest me. I think epistemological questions are also particularly relevant from a contemporary social perspective too, particularly in this supposedly ‘post-truth’ world we live in. My work on epistemology includes such core topics as the theory of knowledge, radical skepticism, epistemic value, social epistemology, the relationship between knowledge and understanding, the nature of inquiry, and the intellectual virtues. It also includes topics in applied epistemology, such as the epistemology of education, legal epistemology, and some epistemological issues in cognitive science.
2. Jacobsen: Epistemology relates in a direct manner to skepticism. The main skeptical idea: certain knowledge is impossible. In another variation, one should maintain a skeptical attitude about particular claims or all claims, e.g., the efficacy of widespread practices including prayer, or beliefs in supernatural powers or abilities, or beliefs in ghosts, angels and demons (Devil included), and more. What is the strength of skepticism as a philosophical program, especially when taken in a rigorous form within the focus of formal epistemology?
Pritchard: My work on skepticism falls under two main, though overlapping, themes. The core issue is about radical skepticism, and so whether knowledge is possible. I take this puzzle to be a way that we can gain a greater insight on the nature of our epistemic access to the world around us. I argue that the problem of radical skepticism needs to be formulated in a certain fashion if we are to appreciate the challenge that it poses. This then has consequences for the response to radical skepticism that I offer—what I call the biscopic response—which essentially integrates themes from the work of Wittgenstein and the contemporary philosopher John McDowell. (For the details, see my most recent monograph, Epistemic Angst: Radical Skepticism and the Groundlessness of Our Believing (Princeton University Press, 2015)).
I’m also interested in a broader kind of skepticism which is not cast as an argument or a paradox, but rather consists of a certain kind of attitude. This form of skepticism has its roots in the work of the ancient Pyrrhonian skeptics, and it’s influence has been enormous throughout intellectual history. For example, one of my philosophical heroes is the 16th century French philosopher Montaigne, who epitomizes the Pyrrhonian skeptical method in the early modern period. (Hume is another important philosopher from this period who is heavily influenced by Pyrrhonian skepticism, though he is writing much later).
I tried to blend discussion of the debate about radical skepticism with Pyrrhonian skepticism in my latest book, Scepticism: A Very Short Introduction (Oxford University Press, 2019), which is written for a general audience. One of the themes of this work is to understand what an intellectually virtuous form of skepticism might look like, and so the book draws on my other writings on the nature of the intellectual virtues. This also enables me to relate the debate about skepticism to broader social concerns that are particularly pressing in the information age that we live in, such as the fact that there is so much misinformation about, and that many influential figures in our society do not seem to care that much about the truth. (See also the online course entitled ‘Skepticism’ that I created to go with the book, available on the Coursera platform: https://www.coursera.org/learn/skepticism. This features contributions from a number of prominent scholars from UC Irvine, across several disciplines).
3. Jacobsen: What makes Wittgenstein an integral thinker for you? Someone worth studying for an epistemologist and skeptic.
Pritchard: Wittgenstein was, in my opinion, one of the greatest philosophers to have ever lived. His work is full of innovative ideas. Indeed, much of the work of his that we have is contained in unedited notebooks, and yet they are nonetheless full of insightful nuggets—time spent reading (or even re-reading) anything Wittgenstein wrote is never wasted, as there is always a lot to learn.
As an epistemologist, I’m particularly intrigued by his final notebooks, which were published posthumously as On Certainty. These are four notebooks that take us right up to just before he died, and hence they are also interesting from an historical point of view, in addition to their tremendous philosophical importance. In these works Wittgenstein offers a sustained treatment of questions about knowledge, certainty and doubt. In the process he explores a very distinctive account of the structure of rational evaluation, according to which all rational evaluation takes place relative to certain basic convictions that we hold, which are not themselves rationally grounded at all. These are our hinge certainties, as they are known (employing a metaphor that Wittgenstein used). What’s especially intriguing about this proposal is that Wittgenstein clearly thought that embracing this idea is the antidote to radical skepticism, and yet at first glance it can seem like a capitulation to the skeptical challenge, for doesn’t the radical sceptic also maintain that our basic convictions are rationally groundless? There is thus an important philosophical project of explaining how Wittgenstein’s idea—which I have argued he acquired from reading the work of the prominent Catholic thinker, John Henry Newman—could have the anti-skeptical import that he clearly thought it had, and this project has informed a lot of my recent work. Hinge epistemology also has lots of ramifications for other philosophical debates, such as regarding relativism.
4. Jacobsen: The human brain evolved to be good enough. A lot of costs came with this, including biases in forms of thought and in what can possibly be thought. Cognitive science seems to show this in listings of cognitive biases. What brings cognitive science into the philosophical formulation for you?
Pritchard: I’m principally interested in our relationship with technology, and how it alters our cognitive processes. In particular, there’s a prominent movement in cognitive science (extended cognition)—initially driven, incidentally, by philosophers such as Andy Clark—which allows that our cognitive processes can be genuinely extended by technology (such that this isn’t simply our cognitive processes being supplemented or aided by technology, but where the technology becomes a proper part of an extended cognitive process). I find this idea plausible, and have been trying to work out under what conditions, exactly, a cognitive process can become extended in this way. Moreover, this proposal clearly has epistemological ramifications, since it holds out the possibility that some of our knowledge is not attributable to our biological selves and the associated cognitive agency, but is rather due to our extended cognitive agency (i.e., the integrated set of purely biological and extended cognitive processes). There is thus the possibility of (what I have called) extended knowledge.
4. Jacobsen: Religion is a complicated affair. I need two questions for this one, please. First, what is religion to you?
Pritchard: I have a policy of not declaring my own personal thoughts on religion. There are a few reasons for this. One is that I don’t have a straightforward stance to declare anyway. But a more important reason is that I think the whole debate about philosophy of religion has got side-tracked by people explicitly entwining their philosophical stance with their personal stance. The problem is that as philosophers we should be interested in these questions regardless of our personal convictions. One of the reasons why I think philosophy of religion has become such a niche subfield of philosophy is because people imagine that one would only be interested in it if one has prior religious conviction, and that’s simply not the case (or, at least, it ought not to be the case). We should get back to exploring these questions because of their intrinsic philosophical interest.
5. Jacobsen: Second, what makes the philosophy of religion, probably, a more relevant field of study in the modern context than, apparently, declining disciplines including theology or religious studies?
Pritchard: I think it would be a shame if religious studies is indeed a declining discipline (or theology for that matter, which I take to be a sub-division of it, concerned specifically with theistic religion). Religious questions are central to the human condition after all. Moreover, even if one adopts a purely materialistic conception of the world and our place in it, one that has no room for religion, one still needs to have a philosophical grasp of what it means to exclude religion from one’s worldview, and that is itself an issue for philosophy of religion (and thus religious studies). I find it intriguing that many people today take a certain kind of materialistic and scientistic worldview as obvious, and as incorporating no philosophical assumptions, such that it is kind of a ‘default’ rational way of responding to the world. But that’s not very plausible—the philosophical presuppositions are still there, as they are with any worldview, and they need to be made explicit and examined. (I don’t think it’s an accident, for example, that those in the grip of such a worldview also take a very instrumentalist attitude towards political and ethical questions). That’s a job for philosophy, and philosophy of religion has a role to play in such an endeavor.
Inevitably, my own work in philosophy of religion mostly covers epistemological questions, especially the question of whether religious belief can be rationally grounded. In this regard I advance a view that I call quasi-fideism, a thesis which I claim is rooted in the work of John Henry Newman and Wittgenstein.
6. Jacobsen: What is your philosophy of education?
Pritchard: My interest is in the question of what the overarching epistemic goals of education amount to. The view I defend is one on which these goals essentially concern the development of intellectual character, which is the integrated set of a subject’s intellectual virtues. This approach offers an important reorientation of education in the contemporary world, where education is far too often understood in purely instrumental terms, such as simply giving students useful skills or knowledge. Education should have much more ambitious goals, however, which is to help human beings to prosper, and for that they need the intellectual virtues.
7. Jacobsen: What is the philosophy of law? I ask this, too, because an extremely distinguished academic, Professor Elizabeth Loftus, works at UCIrvine.
Pritchard: There are lots of philosophical questions in law, most notably concerning the foundations of law. But as an epistemologist I’m naturally interested in some of the specifically epistemic questions that arise, such as the nature of legal evidence, or what kinds of epistemic bases are relevant for legal judgements about guilt or liability. I’ve also tried to bring my work on luck and risk to bear on legal issues, such as concerning the question of what is an acceptable degree of risk within a just legal system that an innocent person might be found guilty of a crime.
8. Jacobsen: What epistemology to garner knowledge about the world most makes sense within a skepticism framework grounded in the understandings brought forward by the philosophy of Wittgenstein, philosophy of cognitive science, and the philosophy of religion?
Pritchard: I don’t think there is a straightforward answer to your question. I advance a general theory of knowledge (anti-luck virtue epistemology), which incorporates insights from both virtue epistemology and anti-luck/risk epistemology. (For the details, see my co-authored monograph, The Nature and Value of Knowledge, (Oxford University Press, 2010)). I also have an account of how this way of thinking about knowledge should be situated with regard to answers to a range of epistemological questions about such topics as the nature of epistemic value, the relationship between knowledge and understanding, the importance of the intellectual virtues, the nature of inquiry, and so on. I then apply this theory of knowledge to philosophical questions in specific domains like cognitive science and education.
The question of how to understand the nature of knowledge is, however, largely orthogonal to the skeptical question of whether such knowledge is possible (it took me many years to realise this). This in part explains why my response to radical skepticism is distinct from my account of knowledge (though there are some overlaps). As noted above, what I take from Wittgenstein is a certain conception of the structure of reasons that I think is specifically applicable to the question of how to deal with the puzzle posed by radical skepticism. I also advance a view I call epistemological disjunctivism which can explain how we can have a kind of direct epistemic access to the world around us. (For the details, see my monograph, Epistemological Disjunctivism, (Oxford University Press, 2012)). In addition, I think there is a story to be told about skepticism as an attitude, in the manner of Pyrrhonian skepticism, though again that issue is orthogonal to the question of the nature of knowledge (the intellectual virtues do have a bearing here, however).
9. Jacobsen: Do these understandings taken together have potential implications for education and the law?
Pritchard: Yes. As just noted, one needs to have a worked-out epistemology in order to apply it to domains like education and the law. So, for example, my epistemology, with the intellectual virtues at its heart, can explain why developing intellectual character is so important to education. I’ve also applied the anti-luck, or anti-risk, element to my epistemology to the legal case with regard to discussions of legal evidence and legal risk.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): USIA Blog (United Sigma Intelligence Association/USIA, formerly United Sigma Korea/USK, founded by HanKyung Lee, M.D. in 2007 as United Sigma Korea.)
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2020
Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Numbering: Issue 22.A, Idea: Outliers & Outsiders (Part Eighteen)
Place of Publication: Langley, British Columbia, Canada
Title: In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Web Domain: http://www.in-sightjournal.com
Individual Publication Date: March 8, 2020
Issue Publication Date: May 1, 2020
Name of Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
Frequency: Three Times Per Year
Words: 2,451
ISSN 2369-6885
Abstract
Professor Duncan Pritchard is UC Distinguished Professor of Philosophy at the University of California, Irvine. His monographs include Epistemic Luck (Oxford UP, 2005), The Nature and Value of Knowledge (co-authored, Oxford UP, 2010), Epistemological Disjunctivism (Oxford UP, 2012), Epistemic Angst: Radical Skepticism and the Groundlessness of Our Believing (Princeton UP, 2015), and Skepticism: A Very Short Introduction (Oxford UP, 2019). He discusses: family background; a sense of self extended through time; inability to distinguish influences; lack of influential mentors; the influences of Graham Greene, Patricia Highsmith, JG Ballard, Anthony Burgess, Robert Aikman, and Shusaku Endo; the importance of reading fiction; formal postsecondary education; tasks and responsibilities with becoming a distinguished professor at the University of California, Irvine; provisions of UCIrvine; and current research.
Keywords: disjunctivism, Duncan Pritchard, epistemology, Irvine, knowledge, luck, philosophy, skepticism, University of California.
An Interview with Distinguished Professor Duncan Pritchard, FRSE on Family, Sense of Self Over Time, Philosophy, and the University of California, Irvine: Distinguished Professor, University of California, Irvine & Director, Graduate Studies, Philosophy, University of California, Irvine (Part One)[1],[2]*
*Please see the footnotes, bibliography, and citation style listing after the interview.*
1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What is family background or lineage, e.g., surname(s) etymology (etymologies), geography, culture, language, religion/non-religion, political suasion, social outlook, scientific training, and the like?
Professor Duncan Pritchard: There’s nothing remotely interesting in my family background. I know this because some years back a cousin of my father’s traced the Pritchards (an Anglicized contraction of the Welsh term for ‘son of Richard’) back to 1066 (incredible I know, but don’t ask me how he did this; I was too young to know the details). He was disappointed to discover that none of us ever amounted to anything. (I’m not sure what he expected. Perhaps statuette feet in the shifting sands with the inscription: ‘I am Daffyd Pritchard, Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and Despair!’) I must admit that I don’t find it disappointing at all; in fact, I think it’s rather funny. In any case, in the grand scheme of things, no-one ever amounts to anything, so it’s actually quite useful to have a lineage that removes all doubt about this. There’s no religion in the Pritchard family, except of the ‘Church of England’ variety, which is to say no religion at all. (There’s an old joke back in the UK: ‘Are you religious?’ ‘Good God no! We’re C of E.’) There’s no real politics either, except of the apathetic kind—I can’t remember anyone ever offering any sustained political arguments around the dinner table growing up. I’m from working class stock from a place called Wolverhampton, in central England. The area is known as the Black Country, on account of the industry and mining that used to be there, though there’s none of that now—it’s a very deprived, post-industrial urban sprawl. Very depressing, though this is mitigated a little by the fact that Black Country folk are the friendliest you could ever meet (though the local accent is usually regarded as by far the worst in the UK), and that makes going back there bearable. Plus all my family are there. (An odd fact about the Black Country is that people tend not to leave, even though there are zero opportunities there. Whenever I go back the first question anyone asks me is why I left, as if this were mysterious. Jeez, I currently live next to the Pacific Ocean in Southern California—does it really need an explanation?) My father worked his whole life, bar a brief spell in the army straight out of school (as was common in those days), in a local factory; my mother worked as a secretary in a local school. One of my earliest memories is the desire to leave Wolverhampton at the first opportunity. I rank it as one of my greatest achievements that I succeeded.
2. Jacobsen: With all these facets of the larger self, how did these become the familial ecosystem to form identity and a sense of a self extended through time?
Pritchard: Looking back, I think I have learnt the most from the (fiction) books I’ve read. Certain authors in particular have been particularly influential: Graham Greene, Patricia Highsmith, JG Ballard, Anthony Burgess, Robert Aikman, and Shusaku Endo spring to mind. It’s notable that many of these authors are pretty rootless, as that’s the way I feel too. I think I’m also drawn to writers who have a sense of mystery about the world, who think that there is a place for something beyond the natural. Unusually, I think, there’s both a kind of fideism and a kind of scepticism (Pyrrhonian, I would later discover, on the model of Montaigne) that runs through me like the text you get in a stick of seaside rock (I think it’s called rock candy in the US). It was there before I even knew what it was. I’m not sure how uncommon it is, but I occasionally come across people with the same affliction.
3. Jacobsen: Of those aforementioned influences, what ones seem the most prescient for early formation?
Pritchard: I’m not confident that I can distinguish between the ones listed in terms of influence.
4. Jacobsen: What adults, mentors, or guardians became, in hindsight, the most influential on you?
Pritchard: I’m not sure there was anyone, to be honest.
5. Jacobsen: As a young reader, in childhood and adolescence, what authors and books were significant, meaningful, to worldview formation?
Pritchard: Please see above.
6. Jacobsen: What were pivotal educational – as in, in school or autodidacticism – moments from childhood to young adulthood?
Pritchard: As I noted above, I think I’ve learnt the most from reading fiction.
7. Jacobsen: For formal postsecondary education, what were the areas of deepest interest? What were some with a passion but not pursued? Why not pursue them?
Pritchard: I stumbled into philosophy (I had originally wanted to be a writer, but that was a bullet dodged, as frankly I’m not talented enough to pursue that), but once I had stumbled upon it I was hooked. I basically realized that it was really ideas that interested me. I was fortunate to get a scholarship to study for my PhD (unusual in the UK, but essential for someone with my background), and thereafter I somehow managed to inveigle my way in academia. I’m very lucky to be able to make a living doing that which I’m especially suited to doing.
8. Jacobsen: As a distinguished professor at the University of California, Irvine, wtasks and responsibilities come with this position?
Pritchard: One thing that is wonderful about UCI is how there is a real ‘can-do’ attitude that permeates through the campus. This has meant that I’ve been able to indulge a lot of my interests here. For example, I have a long-standing concern, both in terms of pedagogy and from a research perspective (e.g., epistemology of education and philosophy of technology), in digital education. Almost as soon as I arrived I was able to run a project to create two interdisciplinary MOOCs (= Massive Open Online Courses), on ‘Skepticism’ and ‘Relativism’ (the latter led by my colleague Annalisa Coliva). I’ve since been given funding to enable me to start a new project that brings the intellectual virtues into the heart of the UCI curriculum as part of a series of online modules that I am helping to develop. This project is a collaboration with colleagues in Education, and will soon result in some cutting-edge research in this regard, which we hope can form the basis for a major external funding bid. I’ve also been encouraged to create a new online masters program devoted to Applied Philosophy, which is an exciting and growing field where UCI has special expertise.
Relatedly, there is a real enthusiasm for innovation in teaching at UCI, which I think is wonderful. I’ve been able to develop new online courses and embed them into the curriculum. It’s been great to see how the students have responded to working with the virtual learning environments that we have created.
In terms of my other commitments at UCI, I run the Philosophy Graduate Program, which like the Department of Philosophy is going from strength-to-strength, and I am the Director of a new research cluster (soon to be a research center) devoted to ‘Knowledge, Technology and Society’. I also have a UCI-wide administrative role devoted to fostering digital education, as part of the Division of Teaching Excellent and Innovation.
9. Jacobsen: We have some relationship with one another through the University of California, Irvine, through the institution without formal contact. What does UC Irvine provide for you?
Pritchard: As noted above, this is a wonderful work environment for someone with my professional interests, both in terms of the great research that takes place here and also the enthusiasm and support for pedagogical innovation. I think it’s also worth mentioning that being at UCI is advantageous in lots of other ways too, such as the beautiful campus, and the amazing location (I’m still not used to the fact that the weather is always beautiful, with the spectacular beaches, and much else besides, so close by).
10. Jacobsen: What are the main areas of research and research questions now?
Pritchard: I’m currently working on a range of research projects, some of them intersecting in various ways. I have a longstanding interest in scepticism in all its forms, including contemporary radical scepticism and the history of sceptical ideas from the ancients to the early moderns (especially with regard to Pyrrhonian scepticism, both in its original expression in antiquity and its later manifestations, especially the work of Montaigne). The later Wittgenstein is an abiding interest of mine, especially the hinge epistemology that is inspired by his remarks in On Certainty, both with regard to the sceptical problematic and concerning its implications more generally. On the latter front, I’ve developed an account of the rationality of religious belief (quasi-fideism) which draws on hinge epistemology, and also on the work of John Henry Newman, whose philosophical writings are a side-interest of mine. I’ve done a lot of work bringing philosophical attention to the notions of luck and risk, and their applications to a range of debates (e.g., in epistemology, philosophy of law, aesthetics, ethics, and so on). I continue to work on a range of topics in mainstream epistemology, such as theory of knowledge, virtue epistemology, understanding, the nature of inquiry, epistemic value, epistemology of disagreement, social epistemology, and so on. Finally, I also cover some topics in applied epistemology, such as the epistemology of education (e.g., the role of the intellectual virtues in education), epistemology of law (e.g., legal risk, legal evidence), and the epistemology of cognitive science (e.g., the epistemological ramifications of extended cognition).
My last proper monograph was Epistemic Angst; Radical Skepticism and the Groundlessness of Believing, Princeton UP), which came out at the very end of 2015. Last year saw the publication of a short book I wrote on scepticism (Scepticism: A Very Short Introduction, Oxford UP). I’m under contract to complete a more advanced book on scepticism with my colleague Annalisa Coliva for Routledge in the near future. After that, I tentatively have three book projects in mind (though I’m not sure what order I will attempt them): a mid-length book articulating the quasi-fideist proposal; a book on luck, risk and the meaning of life (which I’m hoping to pitch at the general educated reader if possible); and a substantial monograph exploring the role of truth of truth in epistemology, with the goal of bringing together a number of central epistemological debates under a common theoretical umbrella (the intellectual virtues, epistemic value, epistemic luck and risk, and the nature of inquiry).
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A talk about personal life, intelligence, high IQ societies, and professional work with Scott Douglas Jacobsen and colleague and friend, Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis
Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis, M.D., M.Sc., M.A., Ph.D., works as a consultant psychiatrist and psychotherapist through online psychotherapy and counseling for Psycall. He earned an M.D., Medical Doctor Diploma (2000), M.Sc., Medical Research Technology (2003), M.A., Philosophy (2012), and Ph.D., Psychopharmacology (2015).
| Interview: Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis (Psychiatrist, Psychotherapist) Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen Web Portal: The Good Men Project Date: 25/07/2017 Location: Pasadena, CA, USA Language: English Reference type: Interview / Reportage External reference: Discussion with Evangelos Katsioulis on Global Problems and Society || (GoodMenProject.com) |
Dr. Katsioulis earned the best performance in the Cerebrals international contest (2009), best performance in the Cerebrals NVCP-R international contest (2003), best performance in physics for the national final exams in Greece(1993), and third place in the Maths national contest in Thessaloniki, Greece (1989).
Dr. Katsioulis scored some of the highest intelligence test scores (SD16) on international record with an IQ score of 205on the NVCP-R [Rasch equated raw 49/54] in 2002. Dr. Katsioulis remains a member in over 60 high IQ societies. In addition, he is the president and founder of Anadeixi Academy of Abilities Assessment and World Intelligence Network (WIN), and OLYMPIQ, HELLIQ, CIVIQ, GRIQ, QIQ, IQID, GREEK high IQ societies.
Dr. Katsioulis writes articles, novels, and quotes including screenplays – ELLHNAS.com (2008) and TI PEI (2009). Also, he contributed to the web advertisement-management of NAMANIC.com and the web development of Charing Cross Scheme in Psychiatry (2006), Charing Cross & St Mary’s Membership of the Royal College of Psychiatrists (2006), and Aristotle University of Thessaloniki – School of Medicine – General Biology Laboratory (2012). He lives in Thessaloniki, Macedonia, Greece.
Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis is a Greek friend and colleague through membership on the Advisory Board of In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. Here is an interview with him, just for you, part 1.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What global problems do you consider most important at the moment? How would you solve them?
Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis: Identity crisis is the main global problem. People lost their identity, their orientation, their life quality standards. They don’t care about who they are, they develop personalities based on the mainstream trends, they play roles and they waste their lives in their attempts to adjust to what some few others expect from them and their lives.
People have neither time nor any intention to realize what life is about. They are born and live to become consistent and excellent workers, minor pieces of a giant puzzle for some few strong people’s entertainment purposes and benefits. Therefore, they don’t care about the quality of their lives, about other lives, about relationships and the society in general, about our children’s future.
It is indeed a pity, however it is a fact. Education could be helpful towards self-realization, awareness, knowledge, mental maturity, overcoming any external restrictions and limitations. As I usually say to my psychotherapy clients, the solution to any problem is to make a stop and one step back.
Jacobsen: Generally, many interacting systems operate in societies: political, economic, religious, corporate, educational, and so on. If you could build and run a society, how would you do it?
Katsioulis: I would say no more than what a great ancestor said 25 centuries ago. Plato suggested an ideal society based on the special abilities of the citizens. The most capable ones should be leading the society functions, the strongest ones should help with their physical powers, a meritocracy should be in place.
We should all contribute to the society well-functioning, if we intend to live in the society and benefit out of it. The definition of one’s prosperity should be defined only in the context of the society prosperity. If we act against our nest, how should this nest be beneficial, protective and supportive for us.
We often see people who have no other than marketing skills or powerful backgrounds to guide societies, decide about millions of people, control people’s future, when many capable and talented others live in the shadow. The most important element in any society is the citizen and people should realize their power.
There is no society without citizens, there are no rules without people to follow them. People can claim their right to live their ideal society.
Jacobsen: If you do consider a general moral, intellectual, spiritual, and emotional progression or development, how do you view development from the basic to most advanced levels at the individual and collective level?
Katsioulis: [This is covered above]
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A talk about personal life, intelligence, high IQ societies, and professional work with Scott Douglas Jacobsen and colleague and friend, Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis
Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis, M.D., M.Sc., M.A., Ph.D., works as a consultant psychiatrist and psychotherapist through online psychotherapy and counseling for Psycall. He earned an M.D., Medical Doctor Diploma (2000), M.Sc., Medical Research Technology (2003), M.A., Philosophy (2012), and Ph.D., Psychopharmacology (2015).
| Interview: Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis (Psychiatrist, Psychotherapist) Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen Web Portal: The Good Men Project Date: 25/07/2017 Location: Pasadena, CA, USA Language: English Reference type: Interview / Reportage External reference: Talk on Biology, Machines, Mind, Reality, and “Miracle” with Dr. Katsioulis || (GoodMenProject.com) |
Dr. Katsioulis earned the best performance in the Cerebrals international contest (2009), best performance in the Cerebrals NVCP-R international contest (2003), best performance in physics for the national final exams in Greece(1993), and third place in the Maths national contest in Thessaloniki, Greece (1989).
Dr. Katsioulis scored some of the highest intelligence test scores (SD16) on international record with an IQ score of 205on the NVCP-R [Rasch equated raw 49/54] in 2002. Dr. Katsioulis remains a member in over 60 high IQ societies. In addition, he is the president and founder of Anadeixi Academy of Abilities Assessment and World Intelligence Network (WIN), and OLYMPIQ, HELLIQ, CIVIQ, GRIQ, QIQ, IQID, GREEK high IQ societies.
Dr. Katsioulis writes articles, novels, and quotes including screenplays – ELLHNAS.com (2008) and TI PEI (2009). Also, he contributed to the web advertisement-management of NAMANIC.com and the web development of Charing Cross Scheme in Psychiatry (2006), Charing Cross & St Mary’s Membership of the Royal College of Psychiatrists (2006), and Aristotle University of Thessaloniki – School of Medicine – General Biology Laboratory (2012). He lives in Thessaloniki, Macedonia, Greece.
Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis is a Greek friend and colleague through membership on the Advisory Board of In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. Here is an interview with him, just for you, part 1.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Do you think biology and machines will merge? If so, how might this happen? Furthermore, how far would integration occur?
Dr. Evangelos Katsioulis: We do control machines (for now), however we cannot control or overcome biological rules. Machines could substitute some missing, mistaken or dysfunctional biological structures, however we are in no position to support artificial life at least for now.
Having in mind the science progress and knowledge advancement within the last century, we may soon manage to understand much more about life and even copy biology principles creating a kind of life. There are no limits in this integration. From your question, I could assume that we both like science fiction movies.
Jacobsen: What is the ultimate relationship between mind and reality?
Katsioulis: Mind is an advanced personal processor, responsible for the perception, reaction and adjustment in reality. We need mind to live our reality. I suppose we all know what is the condition of a body with a non-functioning mind. Reality is an objective and independent set of conditions, events, happenings, incidents, people, principles, facts. Our mind personalizes this objective information to a subjective representation in us.
Mind function is influenced by factors, such as perceptual ability, reasoning, previous knowledge and experiences, psychological status and mental state. For instance, we have all been present in an event and our understanding of what happened may significantly defer from what anyone else present states. So, we need mind to live our reality and we need reality to use our mind.
Jacobsen: You earned the Genius of the Year Award – Europe in 2013 from PSIQ. In your one-page statement on winning the award, you say, “I believe in the power of human mind and my works contribute to the facilitation of mind expressions, promotion of creativity and enhancement of productivity for a better life quality for everyone.
Maximizing outcomes based on the appreciation and utilization of people’s potentials for the benefits of any individual and humanity in general.” What motivates this passion for improving the lot of others?
Katsioulis: Life is a continuous claim of happiness and satisfaction. There are plenty of distractions and attractions in life which can mislead and redirect people causing disorientation, targeting fake goals and resulting to low life quality.
I am passionate with people and communication and that is the main reason I chose to be a Psychotherapist, Psychiatrist and a Founder of some communities and networks.
I believe in self-awareness, self-appreciation, self-confidence and self-determination. Offering people an opportunity to look into themselves and grab the chance to evaluate their lives, attitudes and interests, is a challenge for me.
I have undertaken this procedure myself and I offer the exact same to anyone interested. I support people and I believe in their abilities, talents and specialties. Psychologically speaking, I may provide what I would appreciate to have been provided.
Jacobsen: As a final note to your award statement, you state, “Humans are biological beings, life is a mystery, creation is still unknown.
We live a miracle and we can only maximize this miracle’s impact in every single moment of our existence.” What do you mean by “miracle”? Can you elaborate on the maximization of every moment of our existence?
Katsioulis: Allow me to clearly mention that I do not wish to support any specific religion with my statement. I have the feeling that the advanced and complicated structure and function of life, considering even only a single cell, is itself a miracle.
I am using the word ‘miracle’ since mathematicians have proved that it is rather impossible all cell components to accidentally find themselves in the proper position and start functioning as a cell within the total duration of universe existence. So the time elapsed since the creation of universe supports the non-accidental, thus miraculous nature of life.
The specific rational for this miracle, a specific power, God, destiny, even the nature itself, has been a fascinating topic for many other specialists throughout all human history.
The maximization of our life moments is a quality term, used to define appreciation of our time, life satisfaction and happiness. Since we know nothing about the reasons
Since we know nothing about the reasons of our existence, we may solely take advantage of the fact that we are alive and experience the most out of it. In this context, we need to define what makes us excited and content and we should target and claim satisfaction and happiness.
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1. Scott Douglas Jacobsen: To set some more of the theoretical and empirical groundwork of the extended educational conversation over the coming weeks, I see two streams of misunderstanding about trans individuals. One is simple, relatively benign ignorance; another is deliberate misinformation and disinformation campaigns, through multiple media and social media channels, to scapegoat vulnerable members of society for cultural-political points. To the simple, relatively benign ignorance, what seems like the source of this? What are the individual and interpersonal consequences for trans-Canadians?
Stacey Piercey: You are right to say that there exist two streams of misunderstanding about transgender individuals. There is ignorance, and that is understandable to a degree, not everyone is aware of what it is like to be transgender. It is a unique experience to the transgender individual. I can relate to you some common themes that I have observed. I can share as much information as humanly possible. If it was easy to explain, I guess there wouldn’t be such a need for advocacy or education.
As you know, this is not something that everyone will encounter. There will always be a lack of knowledge and some ignorance. Just like how I don’t know everything about other groups in society. I do trust that their experience is real, and I can understand to a degree the issues that are faced in other communities by relating my experiences. We are talking about intersectionality, overcoming our differences and the knowledge gained from being able to connect with others. That requires empathy. I learned a while ago to relate to people by addressing common interests and not pointing out differences. I like to connect with others and learn from them. That is my style, to find common ground and solutions were ever possible. I see myself often having conversations about being transgender and answering questions asked of me. People do want to understand and want to help, especially since this has become a relevant social issue.
The other type of ignorance has hurt me, and that is the deliberate misinformation and disinformation campaign that seems to be ongoing. I don’t understand the motives, yet it does exist. Sometimes it is political, sometimes they are exclusionary and sometimes this is outright hate. You may say there is no such thing as bad publicity, but there is, what someone sees in media affects me. I find myself judged unfairly, asked to defend myself or explain myself. I sometimes struggle, as I am seen only as a transgender individual. It is hard when every day all you see are these negative stories. And I know the difference, so I can’t imagine the opinions being formed by others as they watch or read these stories. In Canada, we have moved further along in the conversation when it comes to transgender issues. Our policies are about inclusion and integration. It is no longer about our right to exist. That is happening in other countries, such as the USA and Great Britain right now, as they are having a national conversation. It is a big media machine that has overtaken our story to a degree. I feel like I when back in time watching this unfold, I even forget this is not relevant to me as a Canadian. But it is. You see stories that use outright fear, to pray on these individuals and to make life harder for transgender people in general. We are such a small portion of the population, we have never had privileges, steady jobs, housing or opportunities likes others, and transpeople suffer this incredible onslaught in the media that doesn’t make it easy to live a normal life. My only explanation is that there is money to be made hating transgender people, or there is joy in abusing and oppressing a small minority. It is all beyond me; I was raised to help people, not to hurt them. I honestly have to say I struggle to find good positive stories. And that is wrong.
2. Jacobsen: For the misinformation and disinformation campaigns, what seems like the source for this? What are the individual and interpersonal consequences for trans Canadians?
Piercey: If I was the venture a guess, it is political. For any change to occur for transgender people, we need the support of the media. Good and bad stories bring awareness to the issues. I don’t know if there is a dividing line among groups when it comes to transgender individuals. I have met so many people despite their background, and once they come to know I am transgender, they always say I have a friend, a relative that is transgender. It is a tough life they have, can you help or have any advice. My experience is everyone knows of someone who is transgender in a way. Therefore when it comes to transgender issues, you get every political background creating awareness, some views are extreme, over the top and sensationalized, but it is always someones else’s interpretation of transgender people. In Canada, during our campaign for human rights, we wanted them to come out of the closet, be seen and know it is okay to be transgender. It was time to step forward and say there is a problem that needed to be solved. There were no government statistics; there were no supports, and often these issues were not classified as transgender.
There is another side to this campaign against transgender people, and that is some are not ready for a change in society. They don’t help you; they want you to go away and keep you out of sight. Or worse as I found, I was used, I would work hard, and I ran into empire building. I would have these great ideas and solutions, and others would take credit. I was not respected. Thus not everyone is supportive. In this country, I have seen change occur very shortly through government and businesses. How I am received now is different than it was years ago. The thing is, as a community, we don’t have the population to instill change; we don’t have the experts, we don’t have the representation and are reliant on others to help. We are small in numbers; we are not in control of the conversation, often we are not included, and there is no consensus. I am into policy, and the problem I see, is that this is very expensive to put a gender-neutral washroom in every building, it is expensive to paint a rainbow crosswalk, and it is advanced law, and advanced medicine. Not everybody is ready to deal with this, it is complex, and it needs viable solutions. There is not enough research, legal precedents and medical history to adequately deal with the problems at hand.
3. Jacobsen: Now, those amount to not knowing/being unaware or having imbibed illusory knowledge. To the factual basis of being transgender or a trans person, what best defines a trans individual – or the type of trans individuals – within the modern context?
Piercey: When I grew up it was simple. It was very binary. You were either a man or a woman. You were born as one gender on the outside and felt like another on the inside. Then you went about the process of transitioning from one gender to another. You go through a transition phase where you are for me as an example, male, not male or female, then female. In my mind that was transgender, it was a term that defined people who transitioned, had their surgeries, did their paperwork and changed their lives from one gender to another.
It isn’t like that anymore; it has become non-binary. We have a third gender concept where people who are gender non conforming that fit into the terminology of transgender. I have heard over 50 classifications for gender. For many there is no desire to seek surgeries, they are okay with who they are, and I would say this new generation or new perspective is what you are seeing more of today. I met fewer people who have the same background or experience as I once did. They are out there, living opposite from the gender they are born in, you don’t notice them because they live stealth.
For me, that shared experience of transitioning, living a point in your life as neither gender, going through that process of change is what makes a transgender person different. It is not about, sexuality, it is about gender and questioning it and living with the knowledge that gender is a social construct. And at the same time, gender it is a big defining point for many individuals. When you remove gender from the individual, what is left but only the person? I see it now as a very open community, that is inclusionary to anyone questioning gender.
4. Jacobsen: How has the definition changed of “trans” or “transgender” over time into the present if at all? How have the misunderstandings changed over time if at all, too?
Piercey: I think in my life the definition of transgender has changed in that has gone from binary to a non-binary. That breaks down any traditional views of gender. I see transgender people as more gender fluid now whereas before it was about going from one gender to another. I am old school in a sense I live female, that is me. But I am floored by some on the new ideas that I have seen. I will be honest I find some of the new terminology and concepts difficult even for me to understand. I am okay with it; I think you should be yourself in this life. I can remember when this was simpler, it was discrete, and not political. That was before the internet and social media. We had support groups. Now it is all over the media; everyone has an opinion on gender. Everyone is sharing what they think. I believe we are watching a gender revolution. And transgender has changed just like society did with technology. I expect what it means to be transgender will continue to follow this evolution. I am all for new ideas, and I believe change is good.
Interestingly enough, the misunderstandings have not changed, for me. It is still the case where I am the representative of everything transgender. If someone sees a transgender story, they think I am like that too. How do you say, I am an individual and not some glorified stereotype.
5. Jacobsen: From your perspective and observations, as you relayed being identified as an elder – an elder trans woman, recently, what is the same in the life-arc of a trans woman from youth to elderhood in those who are trans women and who are not trans?
Piercey: I am an elder, and I understand it is a term of endearment and respect. It is something I have been called personally many times, it is not a cultural thing for the transgender community. For me, it is more about being a survivor. For them, I am a role model, a faux parent, someone who is there with experience and guidance. You see, there are not many people like myself who have transitioned in life and have lived a long time. I have 20 years of experience and stories. A problem that exists is that there is little-recorded history. Whereas I have watched this grow, and I have watched a whole new generation come into the scene. I was always involved with the public, and I am in the transgender community too. People know I am the transgender Liberal, if they got a problem with the government, I will hear it first. Now if you want to know what it was like years ago, you have to ask my friends or me. In that sense I am an elder, I have within me the culture, the history and I can see the changes that have occurred. Another reason is that I have been called an elder is that I have made friends over the years with two spirited people from the indigenous population. That has grounded me, as I know transgender has been around forever, not a mainstream part of society, but it has always been there. And in other cultures, it is very respected. In Newfoundland and the Indigenous community, there is an oral tradition, and I share in these ways. I have all the knowledge of how to navigate the system, as I helped create it and how to transition legally. I can offer great advice and have over the years to many transgender people. And if you want to know something about transgender rights in this world I have one of the better networks, there is to access information. I am a responsible adult, and I like the term elder, and I have taken it too.
6. Jacobsen: Within the same question background, what is different in the life-arc of a trans woman from youth to elderhood compared to someone who is not a trans woman?
Piercey: I am in my forties. Now I have forty plus years of life experience. But that is not what makes me an elder. You can be older than me it doesn’t mean you are an elder in the trans community. Let’s start with the years of transition. Day one, you are transgender, you are brand new to this world. You may know about life, but you don’t know anything about transitioning. These are trans years, I have 20 of those years, and it is that experience that counts. What you may know about life is irrelevant to a degree when you change genders. People have always come to me at this point needing my help. More so in the past, before services were available, I am an expert in the trans community.
The experience is relatively the same for everyone medically speaking. You want and need to be supervised by a doctor. You have to live full time integrating into society for a year. Then you start hormone. Then you go through a second puberty. Living full time is a real test, and taking hormones that is permanent. If you make it this far, following the doctor’s orders and have no complications with the introduction of hormones and no adverse effects to your body you are on your way to transitioning. Hormones scare away a lot of people, and some people can’t take them, especially the male testosterone. It is a weird time, in a transgender person life. It is when they are most vulnerable, and hormones are new, and everything they thought about the other gender is now real to them. It is a learning and growing phases. Eventually, you settle in and find your way. You may have surgery, which again is a significant change, most of my friends are post operation. Therefore, we can relate to each other. Then you wake up one morning and your body after years now matches the image in your mind. You adjust, and you move on with life, everything is normal, gender is not an issue anymore. All is good. Transgender doesn’t solve problems; it is not an escape from your life, it creates tonnes of difficulties. The whole process takes time; it took me probably ten years to regain my confidence and to be good with who I am. It is very similar to a non-transgender woman entering puberty, and the issues faced, it just happens to them when you are younger, and as with them it takes years being a teenager to come into your own.
7. Jacobsen: In terms of the social issues in the lives of trans women, what are the disproportionately negative life outcomes for trans women in different domains of their lives? How does each of these disproportionately negative outcomes play out in concrete terms?
Piercey: I can easily say, that if I was with hundred people who identify as transgender twenty years ago. Fifty would not be able to change their lives. This door is not open to them. I would say twenty of them would be murdered or commit suicide or incarcerated. It was a big deal to be passible for safety reasons alone. Now I would say of the thirty left, fifteen have entered prostitution for survival, ten are on income assistant, and I would say you have five who are working, transitioned and you will never know they transitioned. That was me, I was lucky, educated, in a relationship, and I knew how to take care of myself. I came out again later in life because I was tired of seeing what happened to the community and its fight for rights and it was overwhelming me trying to help others. I know there are not a lot of transgender people who live long lives after transitioning. I was given seven years by one professional, it was said to me this is a rough life ahead if I do this. Now, I have some friends who have transitioned as long as I have or longer and I know of some individuals older than me too. The truth is we are a science experiment. There aren’t that many people who have done this. I am one of those at the forefront.
8. Jacobsen: What is the process of making the transition? Also, this is a nuanced area. What are the different paths and shades of those paths available to trans women in terms of making the transition in Canada?
Piercey: For me, this was a very regulated medical process to transition. As well, legally it is a real pain in the neck to change all of my documentation. It was not fun; it was hard work. Back in the day, the government would only recognize gender change surgeries, if they occurred within the medical system. Without your surgery, you couldn’t change your identity. These rules do not apply as much anymore. It is good, and it is terrible too, I liked all the supervision and supported I received. I was monitored as if I was part of a military experiment. If anything was wrong with me, I knew right away. It was reassuring. I remember transitioning was the scariest time in my life, going from male to female was a stage that I wanted to go through as fast as I could. It takes times to transition. I wanted to travel, get a good job, or have access to credit, I needed everything to be in order. I thought coming out was hard; I found socializing difficult as I was relearning many skills, and it took me a while. What works for me as a man didn’t necessarily work for me as a woman. I was taken care of, supported and helped to transition completely through the medical system in Canada. I have the best doctors.
Today you can now transition, or be gender non-conforming or gender neutral. It is not so much about taking a pill as it is more about changing your identity to reflect who you are. The rules don’t apply anymore as they once did for me, you can start hormones, and you don’t have to transition fully, you don’t have to have your surgery. A lot of people live gender neutral or some other gender that is not traditional male or female. I can’t imagine how different it is now, there are so many supports, and people are safe to be themselves at a young age, and the social stigma is going away. Part of the transgender experience was in hiding, ashamed and coming out, living underground, and outside of the system. I had to develop social skills, political skills, to fight for my rights, I had to know the law, the medical system and government policy as it was all needed to get by in life. Now, if was 15 and felt like there was something wrong with me. I can tell my doctor, and my teacher and I can transition with help. Whereas for me it took years to find answers, and help and support. In a way, transgender, as I understand it will be extinct.
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Monastic life was supposed to be an exalted path to self-realization, spiritual enlightenment, and God. But the pain of feeling “stuck” was greater than my fear of leaving the Order. I had to get out.
Reasons why I left the Order and left God was the focus of my conversation with Scott D. Jacobsen, Editor at Conatus News, and Founder of In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal and In-Sight Publishing.
Our conversation was published on Patheos / Rational Doubt1 blog. With permission from Rational Doubt editor and cofounder of The Clergy Project2, Linda LaScola, my interview with Scott Jacobsen is reposted below.
Scott Jacobsen: You published the story of your personal transition from being part of a monastic order called the Self-Realization Fellowship Monastic Order to not being a part of it. The story is on The Clergy Project website, dated May 27, 2015. You were known as Brahmachari Scott. Now, you’re just Scott (me, too). For those leaving monastic orders, what are important things to keep in mind?
“Scott” creator of Skeptic Meditations: It was a big deal to leave the Self-Realization Monastic Order (the Order or SRF) after 14 years. It was a pivotal decision in life. I joined the Order when I was 24, expecting to be a monk for the rest of my life. I took vows of loyalty, obedience and chastity. All, purportedly, for finding God and self-realization. My justification for being a monk was that purpose. But it was complex.
For reasons as complicated as life can become, I felt out of place. I realized the monastery was not for me. This wasn’t the end, though. In the most important ways, my journey unfolded when I chose to come back to the world.
Before leaving the Order, I spent months acclimating myself to the outside world. It was like dipping toes into cold water before the plunge.
Instead of attending the regularly scheduled monastic classes, I joined a local Toastmasters club. I practiced public speaking. Rather than turn my doubts and fears inward—as I did for decades, I visited an outside psychotherapist, and confided my hopes and fears to her. Before seeing that psychotherapist, I spent years weighing the pros and cons of staying in or leaving the Order. I built an underground support community of trusted current and former monastics, church members and biological family.
At the time, I had a motto:
I’m not moving away from anything. I’m moving towards something.
Something great, I hoped. I did not know, but I felt I was moving towards something great based on a vision. I was developing a plan for a new life. That energized me. The pain of feeling “stuck” was greater than my fear of leaving the Order. I was one of the lucky few. I escaped. When I say “escaped,” I mean physically and psychologically.
Many monks from the Order I lived with still live in the monastery. Many others left. However, some of those who left still psychologically stuck within the Order. The monastery is still with them. It is more important where one resides psychologically rather than physically, in my opinion, speaking now from over a decade of experience. Some people have the privilege to move. Several monks stayed in the Order who were instrumental in helping me become who I am today. For me, leaving the Order was about moving towards, rather than away, from something.
What are some expected difficulties—personal, familial, and professional—in transitioning out of a monastic order?
The difficulties included learning how to reintegrate into society. We had extremely limited access to the outside world. The monks were allowed to watch one movie a month, and even that was censored. The Monks’ Library contained only censored materials: books of saints and yogis, the LA Times newspaper and magazines like National Geographic and Sports Illustrated. Access to the internet, during my tenure, was blocked or filtered and our phone calls were monitored for ‘billing’ purposes. We were charged for long-distance calls, which discouraged outside contact. Censoring of our exposure to the world, we were told, was for our own spiritual development.
Life inside was like a cult.
Upon re-entry into the world, I felt woefully inadequate in practical matters of daily life.
To transition, I learned how to be an adult, and to be assertive, to negotiate and pay my bills. I had to reintegrate into society, rebuild my life, relationships, and start a career. When I left, I had no job, no home and no family to live with. I had to prove to myself that I could make my way in the world. Within two years of leaving, I enrolled in university and graduated with a bachelor’s and a master’s degree while working for a corporation.
I was intrigued by your description of monastic life on The Clergy Project website:
…monks didn’t just sit all-day chanting, praying, and navel-gazing.
Monastery routine consisted of meditation, classes, recreation, 9-to-5 jobs: ministering to a worldwide religious congregation at the Self-Realization Fellowship churches, temples, meditation centers and groups, and spiritual retreats. Each monk received $40 per month cash allowance, room and board, paid medical care, and all-you-could-eat lacto-ovo vegetarian buffet.
You were working in rather extreme conditions. What was running through your mind? What is the insight gained since you left about monastic life, e.g. working conditions?
I was convinced by church doctrine and the spiritual mythologies. They stated that renunciation and self-sacrifice was an exalted path to God, self-realization and spiritual freedom. However, a few years after leaving, I was able to step back and take a stern look at the conditions of the Order.
In the monastery, I lived inside a closed, cult-like system. SRF is a Hindu-inspired meditation group.
The followers—consciously or unconsciously—buy into false premises taught by the church. Once one believes the false premises, it becomes easy to surrender to the work and spiritual routine for hours, days, weeks, months and years. You hand over control to teacher, guru, church or religion.
SRF puts a premium on meditation techniques as the highest way to spiritual development or self-realization.
Examples of some of the premises3 we believed:
- You are unaware. Meditation is the way to unbroken awareness. If you are not fully aware, keep meditating.
- You are one with God, but don’t know it. Meditation is the path to God. If you don’t know God, keep meditating.
- You are asleep and don’t know it. Meditation is the way to wake spiritually. If you are asleep spiritually, keep meditating.
Now, I look back and regret having spent precious years in the pursuit of the Order’s false premises. But, better late than never, I outgrew them.
The Scientific American article was the linchpin to becoming an atheist within your social circle, friends and family. What seems to be the main reason for transitioning out of monastic life?
There’s so many reasons why I left.
Mostly, I needed to change and grow. The Order wasn’t about change or growth. Lord knows, I tried. Ultimately, the church and its leader were about perpetuating the “revealed” teachings of the teachers. I was lucky; I saw through the false premises of the church. I never regretted leaving it.
There are local agnostic, atheist, humanist, and freethinker organizations to provide support for people. How can friends and family give support?
Family and friends play a vital role in supporting people like me who leave extreme religions or cult-like groups.
My family accepted me. I can not think of anything special that family and friends can do that is different that what true friends and family do: laugh, care, and do things together. Naturally, different friends and family serve different needs for us. It was most helpful for me to connect with a variety of people from different cultures or worldviews. Having a good therapist helped, I did not become a burden for friends and loved ones with my issues.
You created Skeptic Meditations as well. It is a general resource on skepticism with a blog. How can people become involved with Skeptic Meditations?
I created Skeptic Meditations to critically examine the supernatural claims of yogis, mystics, and meditators, and to muse and critique my experiences inside the SRF/the Order.
Christians have many resources to question and doubt, if they choose. After coming out of the Order, which is a Hindu-inspired meditation group, I found precious few resources for people like me who had left Christianity and questioned Eastern religion, especially yoga meditation. Skeptic Meditations explores the hidden, sometimes darker, side of yoga, mindfulness, and meditation.
Thank you for your time, Scott.
I’ve enjoyed your questions and chatting with you. Thank you.
After our interview was published, I asked Scott Jacobsen his reasons for founding In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal and In-Sight Publishing.
Jacobsen: Whether religious leave or irreligious find religion, I want individuals to have the freedom to choose the path for their own lives. Often, danger comes from restriction of belief, conscience, and movement of people caught in unhealthy communities, which are often religious or cultish, or outright cults”.
Scott D. Jacobsen, interviewer and founder of In-Sight, may be contacted at Scott.D.Jacobsen@gmail.com.
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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Quería entrevistarte porque eres una colega. No he reservado suficiente tiempo para interactuar contigo, ¡así que este es mi día de suerte! Además, mencionado que tienes una visión diferente, potencialmente, al “ethos” general de The Good Men Project. ¿En qué difieren tus puntos de vista, social y políticamente?
Helen Pluckrose: ¡Hola! Me alegro de chatear contigo. No sé hasta qué punto mis puntos de vista difieren de los valores generales de The Good Men Project, pero de vez en cuando he tomado textos que parecen compartir debates que me preocupan del feminismo interseccional.
Por ejemplo, echando un vistazo a los artículos de actualidad en este momento veo “Explicando el privilegio blanco a una persona considerada blanca” y “Confesiones de un varón blanco privilegiado y exconservador”.
Soy escéptica con estos enfoques de justicia social que se centran en los privilegios sistémicos de los grupos dominantes en lugar hacerlo con los prejuicios y discriminaciones que afectan a las minorías. Esto se considera a menudo como una especie de “pecado original” basado en la identidad y se utiliza para perpetuar el problema de raíz del prejuicio y la discriminación: juzgar personas por su sexo, raza o sexualidad en lugar de por sus valores y comportamiento.
Se desplaza la atención a los grupos menos afectados por los prejuicios y se hace referencia a su mayor acceso a derechos y oportunidades como un privilegio injusto en lugar de centrarse en los grupos que están en desventaja y en relaciona esto con una negación de la igualdad básica que necesita ser establecida. Como liberal universalista y humanista, veo más digno centrar la atención y la compasión hacia los que están en desventaja que en la vergüenza y la censura en los que no lo están.
También encuentro que los sistemas de enfoque de privilegios son reduccionistas y requieren muchas generalizaciones y obligan a las personas a clasificarse. Aunque el concepto de interseccionalidad pretende superar dicho reduccionismo y mostrar que la opresión puede ser compleja y multifacética, en la práctica a menudo no lo hace porque se descuida la clase social a menos que vaya acompañada de otra forma de identidad marginada y asume que los hombres son privilegiados sistemáticamente sobre las mujeres de una manera que solo puede ser respaldada viendo a la sociedad a través de una lente ideológica y aplicando mucho el sesgo de confirmación.
Apoyo los esfuerzos para abordar áreas en las que los hombres están en desventaja: el derecho a la integridad genital, normas de custodia desiguales, sentencias desiguales, negligencia en la ayuda a hombres víctimas de violencia y el fracaso al abordar la brecha de género en educación, los sin techo y el suicidio. El activismo por los derechos de los hombres también puede ser altamente tendencioso e ideológico.
Favorezco un enfoque para pensar la ética en el ámbito del género, que sea fuertemente humanista y liberal, y que valora a hombres y mujeres como seres humanos, como iguales y que se enfrentan diferentes desafíos debido a las diferencias biológicas y culturales entre hombres y mujeres.
Jacobsen: ¿Qué mensajes importantes tienes para aquellos de The Good Men Project que no necesariamente cuestionan sus propios puntos de vista políticos y sociales, por alguien que mira desde fuera con algo de objetividad? Me fascina saberlo porque no sé si estoy en el “ajo” por así decirlo.
Pluckrose: No me gustaría generalizar ya que tienes muchos autores y seguramente tienen una variedad de puntos de vista. Reconozco que The Good Men Project no es ni activismo por los derechos de los hombres ni feminismo, sino una exploración por parte de los hombres de la experiencia de ser un hombre y tratar de ser uno bueno en la sociedad del siglo XXI. Creo que el debate libre sobre cómo ser un buen hombre es una gran idea, del mismo modo que lo sería el debate sobre cómo ser una mujer sería porque, aunque lo más importante ser una buena persona, hombres y mujeres no son lo mismo física, cognitiva o psicológicamente y no se enfrentan a los mismos desafíos en la sociedad.
Simplemente espero que el espíritu general sea positivo sobre el valor inherente de los hombres, sus contribuciones a la sociedad y la naturaleza de la masculinidad.
Puede que esté sesgada por mi estrecha relación con el feminismo, pero la experiencia que tengo con los progresistas abordando el tema de la masculinidad o de la hombría en un sentido ético es que muchos la ven como un problema que debe ser reparado o restringido o desintoxicado.
También
Tienden a ver la masculinidad de tal manera que se centran en las relaciones de los hombres con las mujeres en lugar de hacerlo en sus propias necesidades y experiencias masculinas debido a la sensación de que ya han estado centrados en eso durante demasiado tiempo y no estoy segura de que esto sea cierto.
Las exploraciones sobre lo que es ser un hombre bueno se pueden hacer con audacia, de una manera positiva y práctica que no se convierta en la patologización de la masculinidad. No es necesario ignorar las cualidades positivas más típicas de la psicología masculina ni valorarlas por encima de las más típicas de la femenina.
Por supuesto, este no tiene porque ser el caso en absoluto.
También entre los artículos actualmente en tendencia de The Good Men Project están “¿Por qué el estrés provoca más depresión en los hombres que en las mujeres?” y “Nadie puede decirles a mis hijos lo que significa ser un hombre”, que me parecieron centrados en los hombres y positivos.
¿Por qué el estrés causa más depresión en los hombres que en las mujeres?
Los hombres sufren de depresión más que las mujeres, pero ¿por qué no hablamos más de eso? Tal vez tenga algo que ver…
Jacobsen: ¿Cuáles son tus temas favoritos para escribir? ¿Puedes vincular algunos ejemplos?
Pluckrose: Académicamente, escribo sobre todo acerca de la escritura religiosa tardía medieval y principios de la modernidad por y para las mujeres. Me interesa la forma en que las mujeres negociaron la autoridad y la autonomía para sí mismas al usar la religión dentro de las sociedades patriarcales que les negaron a ambas.
Mis escritos populares sobre temas contemporáneos han incluido defensa del secularismo y el escepticismo, críticas al postmodernismo y al feminismo interseccional, disecciones de fallos comunes del pensamiento crítico y análisis sobre cómo solucionar los problemas dentro de la izquierda política y así fortalecerla. El hilo conductor que los une es mi interés por la ideología y las formas en que piensa y ha pensado la gente, particularmente en temas de religión y de género.
Jacobsen: Los dos contribuimos a Conatus News. ¿Cuál parece ser tu mensaje central para ti? ¿Por qué empezaste a escribir para ellos? ¿Cómo los encontraste?
Pluckrose: Me gusta Conatus News por su posicionamiento dentro de la esfera política. Con su definición central de “progresista” y su compromiso con el secularismo y los derechos humanos y su oposición a la política posmoderna regresiva e identitaria, está abierta a contribuciones de todos, desde centristas liberales, izquierdistas liberales, izquierdistas libertarios, izquierdistas radicales, socialistas, feministas radicales y centroderechistas con objetivos liberales. Esto le da coherencia y diversidad dentro de un ethosizquierdista y progresista bastante diferente a la izquierda posmoderna culturalmente relativista. Como partidaria liberal de centro izquierda y de la igualdad de género no feminista que favorece una economía mixta, tengo fuertes diferencias con los escritores radicales, tanto feministas como económicos, pero toleramos bien estas diferencias y seguimos encontrando una causa común donde podemos.
Fuera de Conatus News, mis lectores son a menudo centristas y gran parte de lo que escribo se centra en los problemas de la izquierda que quiero solucionar, por lo que es valioso tener una plataforma que atraiga principalmente a los izquierdistas. Encontré Conatus cuando Terry Murray, la escritora feminista, se puso en contacto conmigo para invitarme a la conferencia ‘Defender el progresismo’, por lo cual estoy muy agradecida.
Jacobsen: ¿Algún sentimiento o pensamiento en conclusión basado en la conversación de hoy?
Pluckrose: No, no lo creo. Sin embargo, prestaré más atención a la producción de The Good Men Project.
Jacobsen: Gracias por tu tiempo, Helen.
Pluckrose: Gracias, Scott.
Helen Pluckrose es una investigadora de humanidades que se centra en la escritura religiosa por y para mujeres de la Alta Edad Media y la Edad Moderna. Es crítica con el postmodernismo y el constructivismo cultural que ve dominando en las humanidades actualmente. En Twitter @HPluckrose
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“There might be some clues to the universe being older than its apparent age. If the universe undergoes repeated multi-billion-year unfoldings, there should be lots of stuff that’s older than the apparent 14-billion-year age of the universe. That stuff won’t necessarily be in our immediate neighborhood – we’re new – we came into being as part of the current unfolding.
Via repeated cycles (not cycles of the entire universe expanding and contracting – not an oscillating universe – more like a rolling boil) of galaxies lighting up and burning out, the dark matter we’re looking for (to explain gravitational anomalies such as the outer rims of galaxies rotating faster than accounted for by the distribution of visible stars) might be a bunch of neutron stars and near-black holes. If anything could survive repeated cycles without being completely ablated away, it would be near-black holes. (Don’t really believe in fully black holes.) A universe which has gone through a zillion cycles might have generated a bunch of burned-out junk (or, in an informational sense, massive settled or solved (for the moment) equations or clumps of correlations or memories or independent processors whose operations the wider universe doesn’t much participate in/isn’t very conscious of) hanging around on the outskirts of galaxies.
A brand-new universe – one that’s unfolded after a single big bang – doesn’t have much opportunity to form a bunch of collapsed matter. But a universe at a rolling boil – that is, a “continuing series of little bangs” universe – would generate lots of junk. It’s that house with all the trashed cars and plumbing fixtures scattered across the front yard.
Just for fun, we could multiply the 14-billion-year apparent age of the universe by the 5 billion lifetime cycles of the human brain. There’s no reason to assume that the universe goes through 500,000 or 5 googol rolling cycles. But anyhow, 5 billion times the apparent age of the universe gives you 70,000,000,000,000,000,000 years. That’s based on not much. What if the expected duration of a self-contained system of information (in terms of rolling cycles) is proportional to the complexity of the system? What if the complexity, like the average distance from the origin of a random walk, is proportional to duration squared? The universe could be really old.
No way the universe unfolds just once. No way it’s only 14 billion years old.”
(43.)
“In a Big Bang universe, we can see across nearly 14 billion light years. (Microwave background radiation has spent nearly the apparent lifetime of the universe reaching us.) But we’re not looking at a sphere 14 billion light years in radius, because the background radiation comes from a very small, young, recently exploded universe. (There’s a maximum radius we can see as we look across greater distances and farther into the past. Beyond that radius, we’re seeing increasingly smeared-out images of our universe when it was younger and smaller. Of course, every image we see is of a younger universe, but it’s usually only younger by a few billionths of a second – the time light takes to cross a room.)
If we could see to infinity, we wouldn’t see Big Bang space as completely filling three-dimensional space. Looking farther and farther, we’d see the universe getting smaller and smaller (because younger and younger), until it’s a point at T = 0. But that’s just because we’re looking back in time. Though we can’t see it because of the finite speed of light, a Big Bang universe can be a fully three-dimensional surface of a hypersphere.
But I don’t think we live in a Big Bang universe. Due to the nature of an information-space universe, it looks quite a bit like a Big Bang universe, and that it started with a Big Bang is a natural first conclusion to reach, based on general relativity and the Hubble redshift. Note that the idea of the Big Bang – space exploding from an initial point – while seeming indisputably established, is less than 100 years old, and has been the predominant theory of universal structure for less than 50 years.
A Big Bang universe is nearly the same everywhere – the result of a uniform outward expansion. But a universe that doesn’t blow up all at once isn’t the same everywhere. It has an active center and burned-out and collapsed outskirts clustered close to what looks like T = 0. This universe may not be perfectly three-dimensional – space is highly curved and riddled with collapsed stuff near the apparent origin, which may mean that space is effectively less than three-dimensional at great distances.”
(27.)
“I think the universe isn’t inherently unstable in size, with overall stability being a characteristic of an information-based universe. That is, though parts of it can expand and contract, the universe isn’t going to keep flying apart to some cold, thin oblivion or collapse into an infernal dot. (At least without some outside agency acting upon it. The loss or degradation of the physical structure which supports the universe would result in the loss of the information within the universe. As the universe loses information, it would become less well-defined, which might look like a collapse and heating up of the universe – a big bang in reverse.) The scale and size of the universe should be roughly proportional to the amount of information it contains (with local scale and size depending on the information/matter distribution as viewed from each particular neighborhood).”
(30.)
“In a Big Bang universe, it’s unlikely that there aren’t a bunch of civilizations a million years old and more. Unless something consistently wipes out civilizations, which would be weird. Or civilizations link up or are colonized into super-civilizations extending across swaths of the galaxy. So the question becomes, what does a civilization do for a million years or ten million or a billion? I’d guess that there’s some principle that the number of interesting things to do increases along with the computational power of your brain (or your brain plus your super-computing add-ons). Otherwise, you and your civilization would go nuts from boredom.
In an informational cosmology universe, civilizations could survive for longer than the apparent age of the universe. You could have civilizations tens or hundreds of billions of years old or more. I’m guessing that if this is the case, then such civilizations are very involved in the business of the universe. They have a good idea of the universe’s objectives, and they help with its operations. A big, old, highly organized universe might include highly developed technicians. Kinda doesn’t make sense that it wouldn’t.
I imagine that, among other things, long-lasting civilizations might be able to manipulate quasars to hose down dormant galaxies with neutrinos, awakening those galaxies. (Can also imagine this might be wrong and dumb.) Can’t imagine how a civilization or entity could persist for 100 billion years without going stir-crazy, but it has 100 billion years to figure out fun things to do. (A hundred billion years is the ultimate endless Sunday afternoon.)”
(73.)
“With regard to time, I think the biggest question is, if the universe is vastly, wildly ancient, with its Big Bang age only an apparent age, why does the universe look so precisely as if it had a Big Bang? The answer must have to do with the nature of information. (Or with me being wrong. But I’m not.) The active center of the universe is where new information is being formed. Protons entering the active center are new – either they’ve been created from neutrons in collapsed matter, or they’ve come from a soup of unstructured primordial matter around T = 0. (I picture space around T = 0 consisting of collapsed galaxies, separated by their Hubble/general relativistic vectors along with a large local gravitational constant, all suspended in a dense primordial soup.)
All the protons are new, though most of them are contextualized by the once-collapsed and now uncollapsing galaxies they’re part of. They all enter the active center from close to T = 0. The protons’ (and electrons’) interactions with each other puff up the space they share in what looks like a Big Bang. Galaxies don’t have to all enter the active center at the same time. Since all galaxies enter from close to T = 0, more recently lit-up galaxies look like they’re located in part of the universe that’s distant from us, so we’re seeing them earlier in their existence.
The proton interactions have to start from around T = 0. They have to create the space they’re in – the active center, which, as galaxies light up, expands like a Big Bang universe. The protons and their galaxies create information through a shared history that plays out in what looks like a Big Bang – they enter at the beginning of apparent time, and space expands around them.
Some conceptual trouble comes when galaxies burn out. They recede from the active center, which means they’re moving backwards in apparent time. I guess this is okay. Observers within a burned-out galaxy would see something like a Big Crunch, I suppose.
The apparent age of the universe could stay roughly the same for a very long time, as newly lit-up galaxies enter from near T = 0 and burned-out galaxies recede back towards T = 0. Or the apparent age can change as more or less business is done in the active center. You could have relatively few galaxies in the active center, with the universe kind of being asleep, or you could have a relative multitude.”
(78.)
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1. How was your youth? How did you come to this point?
Pretty normal, but rather short on social life: I had no brothers or sisters (or indeed any family other than my mother), and I wasn’t particularly outgoing until I was about 15. I was always reasonably high-achieving academically and I immersed myself in that. When I discovered programming, and found I was fairly good at it, I decided to study computer science, and pretty quickly I decided to pursue a career in artificial intelligence research because I felt it was where I could make the most humanitarian difference to the world. At around 30, I started to realise that aging was a criminally neglected problem and that, maybe, I could make even more of a difference there. So I switched fields.
2. Where did you acquire your education? What education do you currently pursue?
I went to school at Harrow, a top UK boarding school, and then university at Cambridge. These days my education comes from my colleagues, via their papers and my interactions at conferences.
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According to some semi-reputable sources gathered in a listing here, Rick G. Rosner may have among America’s, North America’s, and the world’s highest measured IQs at or above 190 (S.D. 15)/196 (S.D. 16) based on several high range test performances created by Christopher Harding, Jason Betts, Paul Cooijmans, and Ronald Hoeflin. He earned 12 years of college credit in less than a year and graduated with the equivalent of 8 majors. He has received 8 Writers Guild Awards and Emmy nominations, and was titled 2013 North American Genius of the Year by The World Genius Directory with the main “Genius” listing here.
He has written for Remote Control, Crank Yankers, The Man Show, The Emmys, The Grammys, and Jimmy Kimmel Live!. He worked as a bouncer, a nude art model, a roller-skating waiter, and a stripper. In a television commercial, Domino’s Pizza named him the “World’s Smartest Man.” The commercial was taken off the air after Subway sandwiches issued a cease-and-desist. He was named “Best Bouncer” in the Denver Area, Colorado, by Westwood Magazine.
Rosner spent much of the late Disco Era as an undercover high school student. In addition, he spent 25 years as a bar bouncer and American fake ID-catcher, and 25+ years as a stripper, and nearly 30 years as a writer for more than 2,500 hours of network television. Errol Morris featured Rosner in the interview series entitled First Person, where some of this history was covered by Morris. He came in second, or lost, on Jeopardy!, sued Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? over a flawed question and lost the lawsuit. He won one game and lost one game on Are You Smarter Than a Drunk Person? (He was drunk). Finally, he spent 37+ years working on a time-invariant variation of the Big Bang Theory.
Currently, Rosner sits tweeting in a bathrobe (winter) or a towel (summer). He lives in Los Angeles, California with his wife, dog, and goldfish. He and his wife have a daughter. You can send him money or questions at LanceVersusRick@Gmail.Com, or a direct message via Twitter, or find him on LinkedIn, or see him on YouTube. Here we – two long-time buddies, guy friends – talk about some co-developed ideas that originated with Rick decades ago as a child prodigy in physics and mathematics, which has a further precedent in Digital Physics with Edward Fredkin.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What would make your theory of Informational Cosmology (IC) incorrect?
Rick Rosner: I’ve been pondering this lately, as I’ve had some second thoughts. Several factors could potentially invalidate Informational Cosmology. Firstly, we understand that the universe is fundamentally composed of information, or at least the information that defines it. The strongest evidence for this lies in the fact that the universe adheres to the laws of quantum mechanics, which is essentially a theory of incomplete information. To me, and I believe to anyone with a solid understanding of quantum mechanics, it should be evident that it is a theory based on information. However, I realize that this might not be a universally accepted view. Some practitioners of quantum mechanics may focus solely on the mechanics without delving into its informational implications.
Jacobsen: Interestingly, I’m involved in the quantum mechanics field in an administrative capacity. A colleague of mine, a quantum cosmologist and string theorist who is a professor at both the University of British Columbia, Okanagan, and Lethbridge University, and I co-founded the Canadian Quantum Research Center the first/second year. In our first year of operation, our team was ranked 41st out of 101 research centers in Canada for citations. This topic could certainly lead to an extended discussion with him, if you’re interested.
Rosner: That sounds intriguing. I’m open to the conversation, even if it means I might appear uninformed in some areas.
Jacobsen: He serves as the scientific director, while I’m the administrative director of the institute. Nature publications recognized us as the 41st of 101, surpassing some major institutes from highly legitimate organizations, which is a significant accomplishment for our researchers. Discussing his work on theories around first, second, and third quantization would be an interesting conversation to have, possibly shedding more light on your theory.
Rosner: Is that akin to quantizing things that aren’t normally quantized?
Jacobsen: Essentially, it’s about the cosmology or physics related to the creation and annihilation of particles.
Rosner: Okay.
Jacobsen: So, first quantization would relate to the existence of particles, while second quantization involves the existence of the universe itself. The cutting-edge research my colleague is conducting pertains to multiverses – their existence or non-existence and the mechanisms behind these phenomena. It’s not just a matter of adding one variable; the mathematics behind it is far more complex.
Rosner: Alright, let me finish addressing your earlier question. The first aspect that could invalidate Informational Cosmology (IC) is if the universe, being made of information, only describes itself and nothing beyond. IC posits that just as our minds model the external world, the universe could be modeling something external to itself or not part of the same universe. If this isn’t the case, it poses a problem for IC.
The second aspect is the universe’s role as an information processor. We know it processes information through quantum mechanics, but if this processing aligns with a conventional Big Bang universe that continuously expands and gains information, that would contradict IC. This is because, unlike our minds, which maintain a consistent amount of information processing regardless of accumulated knowledge, a steadily expanding universe suggests an increasing volume of processed information over time. Our thoughts, whether while driving to work or watching TV, process roughly the same amount of information as they did a week or a year ago. Although our brains accumulate knowledge, they don’t actively process more knowledge per second. Most of our knowledge remains inactive until recalled, contrasting with the idea of a universe that continuously processes and accumulates more information.
If the universe functions as an information processor in a manner similar to our minds, then what we perceive as the Big Bang universe could be analogous to an unfolding thought. In this view, the active size of the universe remains constant, akin to how our brain operates, bringing forward specific information as needed, like recalling your second-grade teacher’s name. However, this information isn’t always actively present in our awareness. If the universe’s method of processing information doesn’t align with this concept—where information is stored in memory and only parts of it are actively processed as needed, but instead it continuously generates and accumulates information, growing steadily rather than just appearing to grow—then this would conflict with the Informational Cosmology (IC) model.
Each aspect of IC, especially the central idea that the universe operates analogously to our brain in significant ways—both in terms of hardware, software, and the modeling of something else—needs to hold true. If this analogy does not hold, then IC would be undermined. The universe must not only be an information processor but must operate in a way similar to how our brain/mind processes information. If this isn’t the case, then while IC might hold some truth, its central premise would be flawed.
The key concept of IC is that consciousness is an almost inevitable feature of central information processing. While we can process many functions unconsciously, like breathing or walking, these are typically handled by semi-autonomous systems and don’t usually enter our conscious awareness. They are still mediated by neurons, but these signals don’t form part of our central sensorium unless something, like a plantar wart in my case, makes us acutely aware of them. According to IC, a central processor or arena is necessary for processing novel information that isn’t automatic. Informationally, it makes sense to have a dedicated place where novel information can be examined by our accumulated knowledge and thought patterns. This allows for associations to be formed, helping us incorporate new situations into our model of the world.
In Informational Cosmology (IC), it’s difficult to escape the notion that a comprehensive, multi-dimensional, and multi-node system for modeling the world would exhibit what appears to be consciousness. This appearance of consciousness, based on our understanding that conscious experience equates to actual consciousness, is crucial. If it turns out that consciousness is a unique attribute exclusive to humans or evolved creatures, and not a necessary feature of sophisticated information processors, then IC encounters a problem. IC posits the likelihood of consciousness emerging in a vast, consistent information-processing system.
We can scrutinize every aspect of IC, from the most central to the most peripheral, and find reasons both for and against its applicability. Consider the presence of elements like gold, brown dwarfs, and black holes in the universe. Some of these entities appear to have formed longer ago than the universe’s estimated age. For instance, there could be gold in the universe that is a trillion years old or collapsed matter that predates the universe’s apparent age of 14 billion years. This suggests the universe has been active for much longer than it seems, with the 14 billion years merely reflecting the amount of information within it. However, if everything in the universe is younger than its apparent age, it doesn’t necessarily mean the universe itself is only as old as it appears.
The concept that the universe recycles and churns everything, breaking down entities like black holes and gold into basic components, poses another challenge. If there are no black holes older than 14 billion years because they are constantly consumed and reformed, it could imply a universe where nothing predates this age, despite the universe itself being older. However, I find it unlikely that processes exist that would consistently destroy and reform all gold or obliterate all black holes within a 14 billion year period, especially considering the resilience of black holes, which are somewhat insulated from the rest of the universe due to their gravitational properties. These are some of the considerations that could challenge or invalidate the principles of Informational Cosmology.
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The Roman Catholic Church, inarguably, has been one of the biggest denouncers of same-sex marriage and preventatives against equal rights for members of the LGBTI community.
CTV News reported that Catholic priests can now bless same-sex couples. This is in contradistinction to its former policy denying such a practice. While, at the same time, there are formal bans on gay marriage by them.
“But while the Vatican statement was heralded by some as a step toward breaking down discrimination in the Catholic Church, some LGBTQ+ advocates warned it underscored the church’s idea that gay couples remain inferior to heterosexual partnerships,” CTV News said.
Even with these blessings, Pope Francis’s letter emphasizes the standard definition in Catholic theology of marriage as between one man and one women. Furthermore, the blessings cannot be connected to a “Catholic celebration or religious service and should not be conferred at the same time as a civil union ceremony. Moreover, the blessings cannot use set rituals or even involve the clothing and gestures that belong in a wedding.”
That’s stark.
The letter stated, “For, those seeking a blessing should not be required to have prior moral perfection… There is no intention to legitimize anything, but rather to open one’s life to God, to ask for his help to live better, and also to invoke the Holy Spirit so that the values of the Gospel may be lived with greater faithfulness.”
How about simply accept homosexuals as legitimate full persons with the capability to be married under the sight of the, by definition, most loving entity ever? Either it doesn’t exist as defined, or it’s something preferred as a power move against a select few in the population.
Francis DeBernardo of New Ways Ministry supports LGBTQ+ Catholics. He said, “The significance of this news cannot be overstated… It is one thing to formally approve same-gender blessings, which he had already pastorally permitted, but to say that people should not be subjected to ‘an exhaustive moral analysis’ to receive God’s love and mercy is an even more significant step.”
The transition from homosexuality as intrinsically disordered to receiving blessings for same-sex couples is a change. However, one can focus on the pageantry of the symbolic inclusion without the formal institutional and theological inclusion. This may lighten the load on LGBTI couples from the larger Catholic public. However, this remains an open question.
CTV News has a good research department. They find the pertinent facts. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith of the Vatican in 2021 said, “God cannot bless sin.” This is to say, we have the makings for many internal schisms in the Roman Catholic Church, even the a-evidentiary supreme logicians of the Catholic Church may catch them in reductio ad absurdums deserving of a schism or a massive singular reform on same-sex marriage.
I, and no doubt many others, find the prancing and dancing around equality more than tiresome. They continue a theocratic tradition from, probably, the Romans. Ironically, a few hereditary First Nations elders who I know called white settlers, “Romans.” That’s a good point. That project of Christian empiricization never ended, in some ways.
Pope Francis removed the official responsible for the 2021 statement. Dad spoke.
The idea behind the blessings is to increase one’s trust in God, apparently, as a “seed of the Holy Spirit.” The document of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith emphasized, again as early as 2021, that individuals who are in irregular unions remain in a sin state.
Rev. James Martin, a supporter for the LGBTI Catholics, considered this a change by the current Pope a positive move with the inclusion of the blessing. Luigi Casalina of Messa had mostly the opposite view.
This is the internal schism dynamics potentially happening within the Roman Catholic Church.
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According to some semi-reputable sources gathered in a listing here, Rick G. Rosner may have among America’s, North America’s, and the world’s highest measured IQs at or above 190 (S.D. 15)/196 (S.D. 16) based on several high range test performances created by Christopher Harding, Jason Betts, Paul Cooijmans, and Ronald Hoeflin. He earned 12 years of college credit in less than a year and graduated with the equivalent of 8 majors. He has received 8 Writers Guild Awards and Emmy nominations, and was titled 2013 North American Genius of the Year by The World Genius Directory with the main “Genius” listing here.
He has written for Remote Control, Crank Yankers, The Man Show, The Emmys, The Grammys, and Jimmy Kimmel Live!. He worked as a bouncer, a nude art model, a roller-skating waiter, and a stripper. In a television commercial, Domino’s Pizza named him the “World’s Smartest Man.” The commercial was taken off the air after Subway sandwiches issued a cease-and-desist. He was named “Best Bouncer” in the Denver Area, Colorado, by Westwood Magazine.
Rosner spent much of the late Disco Era as an undercover high school student. In addition, he spent 25 years as a bar bouncer and American fake ID-catcher, and 25+ years as a stripper, and nearly 30 years as a writer for more than 2,500 hours of network television. Errol Morris featured Rosner in the interview series entitled First Person, where some of this history was covered by Morris. He came in second, or lost, on Jeopardy!, sued Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? over a flawed question and lost the lawsuit. He won one game and lost one game on Are You Smarter Than a Drunk Person? (He was drunk). Finally, he spent 37+ years working on a time-invariant variation of the Big Bang Theory.
Currently, Rosner sits tweeting in a bathrobe (winter) or a towel (summer). He lives in Los Angeles, California with his wife, dog, and goldfish. He and his wife have a daughter. You can send him money or questions at LanceVersusRick@Gmail.Com, or a direct message via Twitter, or find him on LinkedIn, or see him on YouTube. Here we – two long-time buddies, guy friends – talk about some co-developed ideas that originated with Rick decades ago as a child prodigy in physics and mathematics, which has a further precedent in Digital Physics with Edward Fredkin.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What have you been thinking about recently regarding informational cosmology?
Rick Rosner: We were discussing Ed Fredkin and digital physics. I first came across the concept of digital physics around 1972, when a physics professor, the father of my brother’s basketball teammate, lent me the book “Gravitation” by Wheeler and others. It was a monumental work on gravity, a massive, 1000-page book I barely understood. However, it introduced me to Wheeler’s concept of “It From Bit,” his vision of a computational universe, which was the prevailing idea in digital physics at that time, around 1977. I’ve been contemplating it for quite a while, and looking at the universe, I don’t see a clear computer-like correlation. The bits of information don’t seem to be stored in proton-electron pairs or the arrangement of electrons around a nucleus. These don’t act as gates or bits in a computer. The state of an electron about its proton, or the state of protons linked via shared electrons, doesn’t seem to correspond to the binary states in a computer, as digital physics might imply.
If I delved deeper into digital physics, someone would clarify that this isn’t exactly what they mean. But without that deeper understanding, I think the information in the universe is more about the interactions among particles. It’s not holographic or holistic, terms I dislike, but rather aggregate information held among the entirety of matter.
Jacobsen: I prefer the term ‘relational.’ It differentiates between digital physics and informational cosmology; whether it’s the 1972 version, 1978, or 1992 version, it’s more about relational physics versus digital physics.
Rosner: I think that’s a good term.
Jacobsen: It doesn’t confine us to discrete versus continuum.
Rosner: Yeah, I like it. This talk was meant to discuss what to call this concept and how much credence to give it. We know that the information we observe in the universe, which includes every part’s interactions with every other part, defines all matter. This shared information prevents the universe from being too fuzzy despite its quantum mechanical fuzziness. It’s unfuzzy due to the sheer number of particles, yet fuzzy in quantum terms. This setup requires widespread information sharing, with geographic locality playing a role. Things in one part of the universe have more information about each other than about distant parts.
Laws govern interactions among matter, like the inverse square force law and the inverse square law for waves such as light and gravity. Simply put, things closer to each other have more effect on each other than things far apart. The information is both shared universally and localized straightforwardly.
Jacobsen: But the localization is representative of the tightness of the information’s association with each other. So, it’s not thinking because the way you’re phrasing it almost has an intuitive grasp of Newtonian Mechanics in it. It’s sort of like it’s out there, and things are kind of distant apart from one another as opposed to informationally related, and informational relationship determines the tightness of themselves in space-time in terms of distance.
Rosner: Yeah. So you’re just taking what you see with gravitation and all the forces that work over a significant distance: gravitation and the electromagnetic force. They have the inverse square, and when you’re talking about being down a potential, well, it’s one over X instead of one over R. But that’s a straightforward thing that everybody who studied physics knows, and if you say well, extend it to how every part of the universe is defined. The particles in it are to be found relationally; it may not work exactly as inverse squared, but it’s what’s behind Mach’s principle. However, a lot of physicists will say, “Yeah, but Mach’s principles have never been adequately mathematically integrated.” It’s never been proven or substantiated in any way except intuitively to be the deal behind inertia. So, your term relationally seems to apply that, at least when you’re talking about how everything in the universe is defined as everything else; it’s right in that sense.
Jacobsen: Here’s an analyst conversation in philosophy; is it being or non-being? Is that the split of everything in existence? I take the same perspective on whether it is discrete or a continuum. I don’t think those are adequate. So, in the same way, you’d have to sidestep being and not being to get to a proper answer, to question properly. It is similar to discrete or continuum; I think it’s “neither is the answer.” It’s relationally.
Rosner: Also, I think you can put it on… You just said continuum; I think you can put it on a dial or a continuum where you can kind of set up for discussion on how distributed the information is in a strictly digital universe. All the information is, at least according to my naive understanding of it, strictly localized. Every bit of information is in one place in the hardware.
Jacobsen: So, maybe, it’s relational degrees of freedom; in a sense, the looser the relationship, the more distant and the tighter the relationship, the closer?
Rosner: We don’t need to solve it now, but we can just say that there’s this up for discussion or up for trying to figure out where along the continuum between completely local information and completely distributed information, where are different forms of information in the universe? We know that gravity and electromagnetism work according to this inverse square deal, which is fairly strictly geometrical, and that maybe something in with regard to inertia or the universe defining itself quantum mechanically via the whole history of exchanged particles over the entire lifespan of the universe. That may be at a different point on the local versus distributed dial.
Then, there are two questions: how and why the information is distributed. Question two is: is the information in the universe just about the universe itself, or is it also about this other thing being modelled in the universe the same way our minds model the external world? Our mind is a thing that can be itself modelled geometrically, we hope, but it is modelling; the information that we work with in our minds is about a world external to our minds. And we know that our universe has all the information that needs to define itself. So, on the one hand, you have a self-defined universe; on the other hand, you have our minds, which define and model an external reality.
One’s entirely internal; the Universe is defining itself. And one’s entirely external; the mind is modelling external reality, including the brain and mind. One’s external and one’s internal, and then there is a dial or a continuum as to whether those two things are perfectly equivalent, which is IC as we understand it or whether the mind is completely distinct from and in function and form from the universe and the intuition that they’re probably equivalent and each working on two different levels; one defining itself as the universe does and the other defining something that it’s modelling that’s external, whether both the mind and the universe do both or not.
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Canadian Atheist
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: How did you get interested in sexual and reproductive health and rights?
Sandeep Prasad: That is a good question. I grew up in an Indian household. I went to an Anglican school, where the sex-ed that I received was very basic. It was really focused on anatomy and risk. Later in my adolescence, while still in high school, I discovered that I had same-sex attractions.
I came out, myself, as queer. In university, I heavily involved in LGBT organizing on campus during my undergrad. I realized that in that time that I wanted to do professional work related to human rights and sexuality. Of course, law school seemed like a good place to go next after my undergrad. I went to law school in Ottawa. I got involved in this work. The thing is, once you start experiencing and exploring and issue and feel impacted by them, you see the interactions with other issues.
Whether it is same-sex sexuality, abortion rights, and so on, all link to basically the right to bodily autonomy. I was able to work after law school on these issues, luckily. I started my career and have been working globally and domestically, in Canada.
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Roslyn Mould, a Pride of African Humanism: Congratulations for being Elected Vice President of Humanists International
Dar es Salaam, Tanzania – East Africa.
(WhatsApp +255 766 151395/E-mail: isamwaka01@gmail.com.)
I am too delighted to get to know that you have been elected a vice president of the International Humanists Organization. Roslyn Mould a Ghanaian heroine, a graduate of linguistics and modern languages from University of Ghana, with credible experience in serving various positions in humanism and human rights activism. Former secretary and chair of the young humanists international African working group from 2014 to 2019. Then board member for Humanists International from 2019 to 2023. A member of the Humanists Association of Ghana since it was founded in 2012, she held several positions including president of the group from 2015 to 2019, she has been a coordinator for the West African Humanists Network, an advisory board member for the FoRB leadership network (UK). A board member for the LGBT+ rights Ghana, and President of Accra Atheist.
News of your victory has not only filled me with immense joy but to the joy of the entire community of humanists in Africa and the world. I take this chance to officially congratulate you because you deserved this and wishing you success in serving the organization. You must be highly pleased with this vacancy, as you have unquestionably worked so hard in promoting and defending humanism and human rights in various humanists and human rights organizations especially in Africa, West Africa and Ghana your home country, and finally at this position. Indeed, your commitment and devotion in humanism activism did assist you to be trusted for this position. As a global humasnists community our hope is that with this new opportunity, you will be in another avenue to serve the organization full of integrity, impartiality, transparency, accountability, competence, voluntarism and volunteerism so as to accomplish humanism mission and vision. The global humanists community is very sure that both you, the president and the entire leadership team right there at the office will stand on the shoulders of other previous giants to take the humanists agenda at the highest level especially in countering the new challenges facing humanism at this contemporary world. It is our hope that your leadership team will continue to be in frontline in campaigning on humanists issues, defend humanists and humanism in general, support the humanist movement around the world, promoting freedom of thought and consciousness, freedom of speech, assembly and freedom of expression, democracy, right to privacy, and human rights in general at the international level. It is our hope that you will continue to advocate for the separation of religion and state in the world. Fight for people’s right of choice to alternative belief apart from religion. Promote the application of science and rational reasoning as an alternative way of thinking than religion. Fighting against all kinds of discrimination be it gender based, race, tribe or regarding to faith, and all matters of inequalities on issues of belief.
I urge fellow humanists in Africa and other humanists worldwide to support this new leadership team of humanists International under president Andrew Copson, and Vice president Roslyn Mould. I, do assure the humanists community globally that they should expect greater achievements under this new leadership since the team has contained hard working personnel with full of commitment and leadership experiences. Therefore, on behalf of humanists and freethinkers in Tanzania, once again we say congratulations, we are happy to work with you, and Africa is supporting you to make sure that humanism is taken to the next level. For real Roslyn Mould, you are the perfect choice, and the passion to do something for humanism and for the humanists International organization has made you a shining star like the black stars of Ghana. Long live Humanists International.
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Dr. Leo Igwe holds a B.Phil and an M.A in philosophy from Seat of Wisdom Seminary Owerri and University of Calabar in Nigeria and a doctoral degree in religious studies from the University of Bayreuth in Germany. Igwe founded the Nigerian Humanist Movement (now the Humanist Association of Nigeria) and worked for some years for the International Humanist and Ethical Union (now Humanists International) in the UK and the Center for Inquiry in the US. He has research interest in atheism, religion, and witchcraft, in Nigeria, Ghana, Kenya, and Zambia. At the moment, Igwe devotes his time to campaigning for the release of the detained Nigerian Humanist, Mubarak Bala, working to eradicate witch persecution and fostering critical thinking in schools.
Here we talk about the “The Value of Skepticism” lecture in Africa.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: The first skepticism lecture in Africa was done in November of 2023. I’m currently in Odesa about to leave to Mykolaiv in Ukraine in a couple of days. I return on December 6th [Ed. Interview immediately prior to November 29th], so I can continue the work once home and get this published. Why make this first move in Africa?
Dr. Leo Igwe: We made this move to beat back the tide of superstition and irrationalism sweeping across the continent with devastating effects on the rights and lives of Africans. We started this lecture to make it clear that there is a skeptical Africa with it enlightening potentials and possibilities. For too long, the destructive impacts of these occult and magical beliefs have been ignored or not treated with the urgency that they deserve. And the situation is worsening everyday. So it has become pertinent to respond and speak out against this ugly trend, this dark and vicious wave of unreason…
Jacobsen: The theme is “The Value of Skepticism.” Why choose this broad theme?
Igwe: Because it speaks directly to the problem that we face here. It sets the stage for subsequent lectures and engagements. Because many Africans do not value skepticism, they suffer, and die needlessly. Because many do not value skepticism they believe in and peddle so much nonsense. Because many Africans do not value skepticism they commit atrocities such as ritual attacks and killings, witch persecution and murder.
So it is important that the first lecture fires the correct salvo, draws attention to the value and importance of skeptical rationality.
Jacobsen: What were some of the ways in which this was organized at the University of Lagos?
Igwe: We reached out to the department of philosophy at the university and the head of the department welcomed the initiative. We also contacted the philosophy students association and the excos were cooperative and helped publicize the event. With the cooperation of the faculty, staff, and students of philosophy, we were able to pull off the event.
Jacobsen: Who were the main participants?
Igwe: The main participants were university staff members and students, mainly philosophy students. There were non university students in attendance, some humanists and skeptics who live in Lagos.
Jacobsen: What was the sub-theme of the lecture by you?
Igwe: My sub theme lecture was “Towards a skeptical awakening on campuses.” I decried the gradual erosion of academic and intellectual freedom, and how this erosion has turned our campuses into a stronghold of dogma, superstition and blind faith. I bemoaned the hijacking of our campuses by religious faiths and the pervasiveness of indoctrination and dogmatization as opposed to education and critical inquiry in schools. I noted the efforts by my organization, the Critical Thinking Social Empowerment Foundation to counteract this insidious trend through the promotion of critical thinking in schools and skepticism on campuses.
Jacobsen: What were some of the reactions and questions from the participants at the lecture?
Igwe: Some of the reactions: The reactions were mixed. Some attendees welcomed the lecture and urged for more to be organized across the city and country. Students from other campuses, the Yaba College of Technology and the Lagos State University proposed to host similar events next year to ensure that the skeptical message got to their campuses. A few attendees noted that the central message of the lecture would unsettle ardent religious believers or offend their sensibilities.
Jacobsen: For teacher training, what is the hope for the ways in which these critical thinking and skepticism lectures can help them instil skepticism in their pupils?
Igwe: There is hope that the critical thinking and skeptical lectures will help instil skeptical rationality because they would make students and pupils to question their assumptions and examine received knowledge, the lectures will enable students to interrogate claims and doctrines. The lectures will make them cultivate the habit of doubt, the courage to critically analyze and inquire, and the willingness to argue and debate issues.
Jacobsen: What are the main primary education reforms needed in Nigeria? Is this true in most African countries?
Igwe: The education reforms include a more student and learner approach to teaching and learning in schools, more of student as the questioner, than teacher as the questioner approach, an active learning culture that emphasizes critical thinking and problem generation and creative/innovative thinking and problem solving….a teaching and learning culture where asking questions not providing answers is the test of knowledge and intelligence.
Jacobsen: Congratulations on the recent achievement, I hope we will see more.
Igwe: Thanks, yes there is more to come. We plan to take the message to other parts of Nigeria and Africa..We are already making contacts with skeptics in Ghana, Cameroon, Malawi so that we can extend the skeptical lectures and evangelism to these places and get the message of doubt, rational inquiry and critical examination of claims and beliefs to different parts of Africa. Look, African enlightenment cannot be realized without a robust culture of skepticism. African renaissance cannot be achieved without a skeptical awakening of Africans.
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Canada seems to retain a high standard of perception of the maintenance of both international human rights and international law. Yet, we appear weak on the question of Palestine. Technically, the international community recognizes Palestine as a State. Canada should too.
Abridged for brevity. Please see other reliable sources for comprehensive coverage.
Since the British Mandate period, 1917 to 1947, the former Ottoman territories were within the League of Nations under the administration of the United Kingdom in 1922. All territories became independent States with the exception of Palestine. The Balfour Declaration of 1917 stated support for a national home of Jewish people in Palestine.
Large numbers of Jewish people immigrated, primarily from Eastern Europe, and even more in the 1930s. Arabs made demands for independence and resisted immigration. Rebellion occurred in 1937. Both sides committed violence. Circa 1947, the United Kingdom handed the Palestine issue to the United Nations.
It started there, the modern discussion. The United Nations proposed ending the Mandate and splitting Palestine into two States: Arab and Jewish. One called itself Israel. With the 1948 war of neighbouring Arab States, half of the Palestinian Arab population was expelled or forced to flee.
A 1967 war saw Israel occupy the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem. An estimated 500,000 Palestinians had an exodus, again. Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) gave principles for a lasting peace and justice.
For instance, the withdrawal of Israel from occupied territories, just settlement of refugees, and termination of all claims of belligerency. The 1973 war resulted in Security Council Resolution 338. It called for peace negotiations.
The UN General Assembly reaffirmed the inalienable rights of self-determination, national independence, sovereignty, and to return, of Palestinian peoples in 1974. 1975 saw the establishment of the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People.
The Palestinian Liberation Organization was conferred observer status in the UN General Assembly and UN conferences.
Israel invaded Lebanon in June of 1982. The purpose: eliminate the PLO. A cease-fire was agreed. September 1983 saw the adoption of principles at the International Conference on the Question of Palestine.
These were: opposing Israeli settlements, opposing actions to change Jerusalem’s status, the right of regional States to exist securely in recognized borders, and the attainment of inalienable rights of Palestinian peoples.
1987 saw the first intifada or uprising against Israeli occupation. 1988 saw the Palestine National Council proclaim the establishment of the State of Palestine. 1991 saw the Peace Conference. Peace for Israel with Arab States and Palestinians through Security Council resolutions 242 (1967) and 338 (1973).
These and other negotiations resulted in the recognition of the PLO and the Government of Israel, and the signing of the Oslo Accord (1993) and some agreements. These led to the partial withdrawal of Israeli forces, elections to the Palestinian Council and the Presidency of the Palestinian Authority, partial release of prisoners, and the creation of administration in areas of Palestinian self-rule.
1993 deferred some issues to negotiations on permanent status. In 2000, Camp David hosted these. 2001 in Taba. These were inconclusive by the end. In 2000, Ariel Sharon of the Likud visiting Al-Haram Al-Sharif or the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, saw the second intifada.
Israel built a West Bank separate wall in Occupied Palestinian Territory, illegally according to the International Court of Justice. 2002 saw the affirmation of a two-State solution by the Security Council. 2002 was when the Arab League made the Arab Peace Initiative. The United States, European Union, Russia, and the UN (the Quartet), gave a Road Map in 2003 for a two-State solution.
Israel removed settlers and troops from Gaza, still controlling borders, air space, and sea shore. Palestine held legislative elections in 2006. The Quartet set conditions for Palestinian assistance. Namely: non-violence, Israel’s recognition, and accepting prior agreements.
Hamas staged an armed takeover of Gaza in 2007. A blockade was imposed by Israel. A permanent status agreement was not achieved in the Annapolis process (2007-2008). Rocket fire and air strikes in 2008 led to operation “Cast Lead” in Gaza.
Violations of international law made the Goldstone report, while the UN Security Council adopted resolution 1860. Israeli settlement moratorium ended during negotiations in 2010, breaking them down.
President Mahmoud Abbas submitted Palestine’s application for UN membership in 2011. UNESCO admitted Palestine as a Member. Israeli-Palestinian talks were held in Amman in 2012.
November 29, 2012, was the crucial date. The United Nations granted Palestine non-member observer State status. The United Nations in “History of the Question of Palestine” concludes:
The General Assembly proclaimed 2014 an International Year of Solidarity with the Palestinian People. A new round of negotiations begun in 2013 was suspended by Israel in April 2014 following the announcement of a Palestinian national consensus Government. Another round of fighting between Israel and Gaza took place in July-August 2014. In 2016 the Security Council adopted resolution 2334 on settlements. In 2017, the US Administration announced recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and subsequently, the US and certain other embassies were moved to Jerusalem. In 2020, the US mediated agreements to normalize relations between Israel and the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan, and Morocco (“Abraham Accords”). In 2022, the UN General Assembly requested the ICJ to render an Advisory Opinion on the legality of the prolonged Israeli occupation that started in 1967, and the implications for Member States. 2023 saw another round of fighting between Israel and Hamas. On 15 May 2023, following a request by the General Assembly, the UN commemorated the 75th anniversary of the Nakba for the first time. In October of 2023, another escalation between Gaza and Israel began. Please see the latest updates on the Israe-Gaza crisis.
It’s significant with this status as a State, though “non-member observer State” status. If you ask, is it, though? You can question. Is the Vatican significant? One can say, “Yes,” easily. You can disagree on Vatican morals. You can be non-Catholic. Yet, you must agree. The Vatican matters internationally.
Does it have status at the UN? Yes. In fact, it holds “non-member observer State” status. Only Palestine and the Vatican hold this category of State status. To deny legitimacy of Palestinian statehood, at the UN, is to deny the Vatican status, similarly, who would agree? Not many.
The details of the November 29, 2012 vote matter too. 41 abstentions, 9 against, and 138 for, i.e., overwhelming approval. The international community stands with Palestinian statehood. Who were the 9 against? Canada, Czech Republic, Federated States of Micronesia, Israel, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Palau, Panama, and the United States, that’s it.
Ignoring the others, Canada should align with international opinion on this one. As a call to Prime Minister Trudeau, we should recognize the State of Palestine, vis-a-vis international opinion. The global community of States spoke in 2012. Canada made a moral mistake.
In a similar manner, we should speak out against anti-Muslim violence and anti-Semitism. We should recognize the State of Palestine as well as the State of Israel. It’s been over a decade of self-evident statehood to the vast majority of the world at the global representative body of the nations of the world, of Member States: the United Nations.
It’s simple, not complex. Only the derivatives remain complex.
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Joseph Brean wrote a great article in the National Post on the baffling decline in formal religiosity – “church attendance and other formal religious observances” – and the persistence of spiritual or religious belief. He wrote this way back in April.
So, why?
Why are Canadians intent on the continuation of spirituality in spite of the massive decline in religious belief in this nation? Brean points to Jack Jedwab’s research outlining a detachment from the god concept and a religious affiliation.
No text, no religious building, no religious service, no title, a simple belief in a deity or a theity. No pretext of behavioural or ideational follow-up. It’s the complete opposite of atheism. A simple theism decoupled from religion.
That’s fascinating.
Brean said, “A new poll by Leger for the Association for Canadian Studies shows about half of Canadians believe in God, a measure that has been roughly stable for the last few years.”
Canadians believe in God. They do not believe in religion so much, especially compared to before. Skepticism about God is less certain. Skepticism about organized religion is more clear.
“It seems contradictory. Jedwab says it raises deep questions about the nature of religion and whether it is best understood personally or communally,” Brean stated, “This ‘decoupling’ shows up everywhere from the strictest Abrahamic monotheisms to more mystical and polytheistic faiths. Respondents to the poll, conducted in February and March, included Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims and Christians both Catholic and Protestant.”
This differentiation between religion and god adherence is more common among native Canadians (not indigenous per se, but multi-generation citizens). New immigrants to Canada are more probable to accept the idea of a God. Immigrants strongly agree at 49.3% and non-immigrants sit at 27.7% strongly agree.
So, the only new blood into the religious demographics, truly, come from the immigrant populations. That’s the reality here. Brean showcases one of the more intrigues from the demographic data on god belief and religion.
“Nearly two-thirds of Catholic immigrants strongly agree there is a God compared to barely one third of non-immigrant Catholics. The Protestant numbers show a similar gap. That is in contrast to Muslims, for whom there is no such gap, and near universal strong agreement that there is a God,” Brean said.
The god concept is important to Muslims in Canada. The distinction between religious group and the god concept is an instructive parsing. Something shows up. Sikhs in Canada have a strong attachment to the religious group. Canadian Christians are dominant, but luke warm on the god concept and on religious group attachment.
It’s fascinating.
British Columbia and Quebec are two secular titans in Canada. Where, religious belief and the god concept are signifiers of something out of place. By age cohort, the data becomes interesting once again.
“Looking at the age progression, the ‘strongly agree that God exists’ numbers start out strong among the 18-24 age cohort with 36.3 per cent, but they dip to 22.4 per cent among people in the 25-34 age group, then climb back into the 30s,” Brean said, “At age 75 plus, the ‘strongly agrees’ are at their highest proportion at 39.1 per cent, more than 20 points higher than ‘somewhat agree.’”
Thanks, Joe, good article.
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Dr. Roman Nekoliak’s biography states: “Roman Nekoliak (° 1992) ambitious young professional with a demonstrated history of working in the civic&social organization in Ukraine and Belgium. A Law graduate from Yaroslav Mudryi National Law University (BA, MA Kharkiv). Afterward, he continues to study law at V. M. Koretsky Institute of State and Law in Kyiv, where he achieved his Ph.D. in 2018. Furthermore, he graduated from LLM program in International and European Law, Gent University mainly focused on IHL, EU institutional law and human rights. European Solidarity Corps volunteer in Ieper, “In Flanders Fields Museum” Research Center at West Flanders (2017) . Former Council of Europe DGI trainee in Strasbourg (2020). Roman became professionally involved as a human rights defender at the Center for Civil Liberties (CCL) in 2021, where he has since been responsible for international relations, advocacy and communications. He speaks Dutch, English, Russian and Ukrainian. Interested in modern politics, history, cultural diplomacy, World War I, philosophy and the history of European unification. My hobby is the history of the First World War, literature, theatre, philosophy, jogging and badminton. Currently, I am reading Hemingway The Sun Also Rises novel, the plot is set in 1920 Paris.”
Here we talk about international human rights and the Russo-Ukrainian war.

Scott Douglas Jacobsen: The Center for Civil Liberties won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2022, which, as far as I know, is a first for a Ukrainian human rights organization. I only became aware of the Center for Civil Liberties in August of this year when meeting Oleksandra Romantsova, the Executive Director. This started a longer-term commitment to human rights work in Ukraine. I returned from visiting several cities in Ukraine over two weeks from late November to early December a couple of days ago. I learned a lot and began to comprehend the nuances of war in a state, especially as one is closer to the frontline cities being shelled versus a farther city with more security, distance, and defenses in place against missile and drone attacks, for example. How did you become interested in international human rights, originally?
Dr. Roman Nekoliak: I became a law student through an interest in 20th-century conflicts. In great detail, I read and studied the events of both World Wars. I believe that to prevent the deterioration of international order, we need to learn the grievances of our past.
In the course of the 20th century, failing twice to liberate humanity from the horrors of world war and witnessing the most terrifying, inhuman events (Holocaust), the international community put a great effort into the development of International humanitarian law. The adoption of the Geneva Conventions (GC) in 1949 brought radical changes – the convention straightened the applicability of IHL by regulating IAC (international armed conflict) more thoughtfully and paying more attention to NIAC (non-international armed conflict). Nowadays, the following controversial question arises: Can IHL in its current state, address the instruments of modern warfare and the instruments of hybrid war alleged to Russian Federation?
While the Geneva Convention exists to anticipate and prevent human rights violations via the promotion of IHL compliance, the Rome Statute adoption on the 17th of July 1998 enables criminal prosecution. The ICC began operations on the 1st of July 2002, upon the entry into force of the Rome Statute, a multilateral treaty.
The Rome Statute grants the ICC jurisdiction over our main crimes: The crime of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes and the crime of aggression. Yet, neither Ukraine nor Russia is a state party to the ICC Rome Statute. However, Ukraine lodged two declarations (first from 21.11.2013 to 22.02.2014, second from 20 February onwards) with the Court, thereby accepting ICC jurisdiction over the alleged crimes committed on the territory of Ukraine. Russia on the other hand withdrew its signature from the Rome Statute (2016).
Correct law application is crucial for thousands of soldiers and non-combatants from both sides of barricades. For instance, the application of the Geneva Convention III, among others, defines guarantees and standards of imprisonment assigned to prisoners. Rebels, on the other hand, enjoy minimal standards of imprisonment guaranteed by international customary law, international human rights law and national criminal legislation. Such issues as combatant status, use of deadly force, status-based targeting, humanitarian assistance, restrictions on weapons and methods of warfare are those significant implications of conflict classification.
My aim is to commit my life best to peace work, research, reconciliation and humanitarian activity. Thus, I consider the Center for Civil Liberties as a perfect place for my professional and personal development. I am willing to continue my work in public international law, international relations, peaceful settlement of disputes field.
Jacobsen: What was the early story of human rights abuse in 2014/15 by the Russian Federation against Ukraine?
Nekoliak: CCL began documenting war crimes independently starting in 2014 with the War in Donbas. The organization has also been actively working towards the release of Ukrainian political prisoners and civilian hostages illegally detained in Russia and in temporarily occupied Crimea. CCL conducted extensive public campaigns to engage the European community and help release them. The campaigns included #saveOlegSentsov, which eventually led to the release of Crimean filmmaker and activist Oleg Sentsov in a prisoner swap, and the #PrisonersVoice project, which contributed to numerous releases.
These crimes are massive and systemic. Over 100 torture chambers have been identified in 8 regions of Ukraine. Ukrainian detainees are massively tortured, deprived of legal aid and the possibility of contacting their relatives.

Jacobsen: What is the story or narrative, typically, given around annexation and invasion – pre-full scale – from the Russian Federation and from Western countries? Are there any points at which the standard narratives by both parties are wrong – any premises in their arguments?
Nekoliak: Russia has violated the main principle of international law, violating Article 2.4 of the Charter of the United Nation, where in the democratic modern world aggression or attack against a sovereign independent state is unthinkable. The mistake made by the Russian government on 24th of February 2022 created a direct line where the democratic world ends. The world order cannot allow states to act as they think suited best, legal rules and norms establish common coexistence and development, and going against those legal norms should be condemned.
In the past sometimes politicians of the West underestimated Russia and its political regime. It was convenient to trade with Russia since dictators always deliver gas and oil and everyone turn a blind eye on Russian 2014 invasion.
The present war is a chance for a world community to get together and make the right choices. To stop its over-dependence on authoritarian state natural resources. To stop “business as usual” and put human rights first.
Ukraine is a part of a democratic world, a part of the West. Today Ukraine was attacked, tomorrow Finland, Poland, Estonia? The attack on Ukraine is an attack on democratic values and the UN system as a whole.
It is Russian nihilism, cynicism and neo-imperial thinking. But we believe that “even war has rules” (ICRC slogan) and that the UN system is a valuable tool of peace and security in the world, even if it partly fails Ukraine in 2022.
What worries me is a public discourse in the EU that depict Ukraine as a part of the “Russian sphere of interest”.
Here you can see a table from the State Centre for Political Education, Baden-Wurttemberg. It’s only available in German. It provides a great overview of arguments in the debate about whether Ukraine should join the EU. Some “contra” arguments are “chauvinistic” and have clear pro-Russian connotations.
For ex. “Due to its history, Ukraine belongs more to the Russian than to the European area. Together with Belarus, Ukraine belonged to the former territory of “Kyivan Rus”. It’s like saying.
“For years, East Prussia and Baltics were ruled by Baltic Germans, Hanseatic League and Teutonic Order; therefore, it belong to Germany”… A lot has changed since Middle Ages, and we know how it ended in 1945.
Such arguments are from the cold war, from the 1950s. We want to challenge some Europeans fear of Ukraine entering the EU. Accession will make both nations stronger, more efficient and ready for the challenges of the future *(here we speak not only about the present war, but climate change and hunger).
Depicting Ukraine as a “Russian sphere of interest” is wrong.
Remember what the Sykes-Picot Agreement did for the Middle East. *(A 1916 secret treaty between the United Kingdom and France, with assent from the Russian Empire and the Kingdom of Italy, to define their mutually agreed spheres of influence and control in an eventual partition of the Ottoman Empire.)
Remember how colonial power drew the map of Africa *(Berlin Conference of 1884–1885) and how it ended – decades of civil war and political turmoil.
Remember what the Munich Agreement 1938, by Germany, the United Kingdom, France, and Italy did to Czechoslovakia and how it ended *(Second World War).

There is no place for secret agreements, neo-colonialism, the sphere of interest and dictators drawing borders.
Ukraine has been showing interest in joining the EU and NATO for a long time already, it took two revolutions and a war to start for some states to finally see that there are no so-called “brother nations”, and that Ukraine has completely different values which align with values of the democratic world, and it is shown through the resistance of Ukrainians from the very begging of war. As a result, public opinion is seen through the mass media with slogans such as “Ukraine protects the democratic world”. The international community starts to understand that war in Ukraine is not limited to Ukrainian territorial borders; the attack made by the Russian Federation is not only against Ukraine but also against Europe.
Russia taught impunity to its soldiers, and now for them, war crimes are a method of waging war. If we don’t stop them, they will go as far as they can get.
The support is derived from a fact of the collective unity of democratic countries to repel Russian aggression and to stop the brutality of mass human rights violations.
If we do not want to live in a world where the rules are determined by whoever has the most powerful military potential, rather than the rule of law, this state of affairs must change.
It is in the interest of the international community (not only Ukraine) to uncover war crimes and prosecute responsible ones. The war in Ukraine from the very begging received support and the international society understands the necessity to reinforce international law. Especially in the context of war, which is significantly more difficult. Reestablishing justice, bringing responsible to the court, and reestablishing basic human rights will allow the international community to see that despite how difficult it is, international law works and crime is not left unpunished. This will allow the establishment of a concert base for further development and cooperation.

Jacobsen: How did the human rights abuse evolve leading into the full-scale invasion on February 24, 2022?
Nekoliak: The Putin crimes become possible because after SWW the totalitarian Soviet regime was never held accountable. Stalin’s crimes were not judged nor properly understood by the Russian population. And now Putin claims that Stalin was “an effective manager.” If Putin’s legacy is not condemned, the World will become a darker place.
We must break this circle of impunity. Not only for Ukrainians and not only for the other people who suffered from Russian brutality. But for the people who can become the next target of Russian aggression.
It is crucial to support Ukraine’s quest for victory. The attainment of victory in Ukraine, on its own terms, is not only imperative for the Ukrainian people and Europe but also for the entire world. The war, in addition to its devastating physical and emotional consequences, constitutes a direct assault on Ukraine’s domestic endeavors to establish a strong democracy. Anything less than a Ukrainian victory would likely result in further Russian aggression in the region, potentially discouraging or undermining democratization efforts in neighboring countries due to fears of escalating coercive actions by the Kremlin and additional malicious interference. Moreover, it could embolden other authoritarian leaders to engage in more audacious endeavors aimed at undermining democracy and human rights.

Jacobsen: What have been the most significant points of setback and progress on sustaining human rights and international law in the Russo-Ukrainian war?
Nekoliak: Currently, the conduct of hostilities is brutalized; soldiers are denied a quarter, POWs are tortured, and civilian Ukrainians are held captive by the Russian side. Russia is the de facto authority of 20% of Ukrainian territory, creating a grey zone of torture chambers and lawlessness. We find ourselves in a dark place. The justice is far away. The justice for victims of war crimes should not depend on the outcome of actual fighting.
We still look at the world through the lens of the Nuremberg Trials, where Nazi war criminals were tried only after the Nazi regime had collapsed. But we are living in a new reality now. Justice must not wait. A core international crimes must be investigated. We must establish a special tribunal now and hold Putin, Lukashenko and other war criminals accountable. Justice should not also depend on resilience of authoritarian regimes.
As the war enters its second year in Ukraine 2/3 of the world’s population lives under autocratic regimes. It is right to state that the Russian victory in Ukraine will deteriorate the situation further. While Ukrainian will establish a better track for the whole region.
Should Russia emerge as the victor in Ukraine, it would push the world towards a gloomy future where force governs and borders are established through violence, possibly escalating the next, even more devastating, confrontation in Europe. Moreover, it would heighten the prevailing perception that Western influence and the universal principles it upholds are experiencing a significant decline.
Conversely, if Ukraine triumphs, it would inspire optimism that a democratic sovereign state can resist its significantly larger authoritarian neighbor without succumbing. This would be a world where the determination and bravery of President Zelensky and the Ukrainian populace are celebrated. Help Ukraine emerge victorious.

Jacobsen: What are have been the most common forms of human rights abuse against Ukrainians in this war by Russia?
Nekoliak: Since the Russian full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022, Russia has committed numerous war crimes and other violations of IHL, population displacement, illegal referendum and caused massive loss of life (while UN have 10 000 confirmed cases the reality of South if Ukraine us much more grim), up to 2 millions underwent filtration and dicplacment. The list of Russia’s reported violations includes arbitrary detentions and arrests, extrajudicial executions, enforced disappearances of civilians with the complicity of representatives of military administrations, beatings and torture, rape, deportation and forced mobilization, indiscriminate attacks, and attacks deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure.
A similar set of war crimes were seen in other wars, also those wars where Russia was involved: Georgia, Chechnya, Syria, Mali and the list can be continued.
The first war in Georgia was marked by supression of the Georgian population in Abkhazia, it could be compared to what has happened in occupied Bucha, Irpin and Berdyansk. Inhuman treatment, torture of civilians and mass killing. Hundreds of civilians in mass graves, shocked the international community, it is disturbing and painful to see these photos in the media, but it is the way to speak up and keep attention to what is exactly Ukrainians living through right now.
Another example is child abduction done by the Nazi Germany during WWII, forcibly taking children mostly from Poland aiming for the further prosperity of the Aryan race. The Russian actions right now are not that different, due to this day Russian government is accountable for the relocation of more than 13 thousand Ukrainian children.
The issue of comparison between the war in Ukraine and any other armed conflict is that it is not about establishing which war was the bloodiest, but what we can do now to hold responsible individuals accountable for their crimes and learn from past experiences.
Also, there is a significant difference in when exactly the investigation is taken place because we take the war in Georgia in 2008. Even though the war was rather short, both parties reported violations of humanitarian law and war crimes. Nevertheless, parties were conducting research with limited support from the international partners and only in 2016 ICC was involved. However, in 8 years rather significant information can be lost. That is exactly why war crimes in Ukraine should be documented constantly. And that is why several national organizations, including the Center for Civil Liberties, as well as international partners, are working towards the war crimes documentation and bringing individuals to justice.
So, as of now we collected more than 52 000 episodes of a war crimes. Each episode is registered with a specific provision of the Rome Statute. The General Prosecurors case database is more than 120 000 cases.

Jacobsen: What does the Ukrainian state most need from the international community in terms of support to reclaim annexed territory, making justice from the catalogued human rights abuse rather than only having a record of the crimes, and rebuilding that which has been destroyed by the Russian Federation?
Nekoliak: Since the Russian 2014 invasion Ukraine’s civil society organizations have joined national resistance and defense efforts, expanding on their traditional advocacy and watchdog roles. In this regard, the Center for Civil Liberties (CCL) has had a crucial role in gathering records of war crimes after Russia’s latest invasion, building on its experience documenting war crimes and torture since the start of the War in Donbas in 2014. Justice should not depend on how and when the hostilities end. The legal problem with the invasion is the accountability gap. The International Criminal Court does not have jurisdiction over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, a crime of aggression. So who will guarantee justice for all the victims? Who will give a chance for justice to the hundreds of thousands of victims who will not be lucky enough to be selected by the International Criminal Court? To bring justice closer, it is important for Ukraine to ratify the Rome Statute and address the issue of universal jurisdiction.
It is obvious already at this stage that the national system will not be able to handle this enormous scope of work. It is therefore important to find ways to increase the capability of the national system to respond to appeals for justice from all of the victims of this war. Instruments should be found or created to help Ukrainian national investigations and administration of justice, for example, under the model of a special international tribunal.
Jacobsen: How can individuals and organizations support the Center for Civil Liberties in particular or the Ukrainian people more broadly?
Nekoliak: I will ask Europeans to be patient and prepare for a long war. To see their Ukrainian, Syrian, Sudan, Afghan or Ethiopian neighbors as not temporary.
It is also crucial to create more internship opportunities/places for Ukrainians in local universities, especially law schools and global and European studies.
Ukrainian youth should be able to apply for internships at the European Commission (Blue Book traineeships) and the European Parliament (Schuman traineeship), and then go back to start a civil service in Ukraine’s diplomatic missions abroad, the MFA, the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Economy and European Integration, the Office of the Vice Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine, and other relevant departments.
I was selected for a traineeship in EUROSTAT for the October 2022- Jan 2023 session, but Marshal Law prevented me from traveling abroad from Kyiv.
I would ask Ukrainian refugees in various EU member states to integrate into local communities, learn the national language, become an active part of the workforce, study hard and draw the attention of the local population to the need for continued support for Ukraine during a full-scale invasion. Nobody knows when they will be able to come back home, therefore it’s important for them to continue leaving and don’t stay trapped in their minds at 5 am morning of 24 February 2022.
Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Roman.
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Further Internal Resources (Chronological, yyyy/mm/dd):
Remus Cernea on Independent War Correspondence in Ukraine (2023/08/25)
Ms. Oleksandra Romantsova on Ukraine and Putin (2023/09/01)
Oleksandra Romantsova on Prigozhin and Amnesty International (2023/12/03)
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): The Good Men Project
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/12/22
Irrationalism is the human narrative. Non-rationalism is human psychology. Yet, rationalism is both human narrative and psychology, in part.
Irrational strong tendencies in human societies and beliefs exemplify how humans relate to the natural world and to each other. It’s in-built to the story of homo sapiens by any standard metric. It is the part requiring skepticism, as this represents the outcome of human non-rationalism.
Non-rationalism is human psychology. In that, we may be a cognitive species or have the capacity in variations. Yet, the pre-dominant mode of operation is not cognitive alone, but emotional coupled with cognition. This explains terms in psychology such as “motivated reasoning” or “cognitive bias.”
Rationalism is more of an adaptation on these two qualities. Where, the irrational gets force-fit into habits of mind. Those tendencies of mind or mental practices become rational, as they compute in a linear manner. Our linear capacities will never match computers of the future in speed or precision because we’re functioning differently.
We evolved in certain contexts with a necessity of non-rational capacities. Nature moulded without forethought particular capacities and structures of mind for us. The irrational human stories reflect this non-rational psychology and incorporates these trained rational capacities of mind over time.
For example, the rationalizations or reason based arguments for God and holy scripture built on top of the irrational beliefs and non-rational motivations. All this points in an abstract manner to the more practical international matters of ideologies, dogmas. Secular dogmas of Communism, Fascism, Olympism, Maoism, Juche, and so on, or religious dogmas all kinds.
One identified by some religionists is scientism. This seems fallacious to me. A slander intended to undermine well-earned respectability for scientific methodology and findings. As in, “Science may show some truths. But science omits transcendent truths of God. Metaphysical questions remain beyond science. Over-attachment to scientific methodology limits human understanding.”
To quote J. Warner Wallace, “Christianity isn’t anti-science, but it is anti-scientism. Scientism is the belief that science is the only way to know anything. But there are many things we know without the benefit of science at all, like logical and mathematical truths (which precede scientific investigations), metaphysical truths (which determine if the external world is real), moral and ethical truths (which set boundaries for our behavior), aesthetic truths (like determining beauty), and historical truths.”
I have never met anyone claiming science declares the only path to truth – simply that religious textual truths tend to be trivial, over-stated, or non-existent, even when proclaimed as deepities as “truer than true.” Wallace’s argument becomes a non-starter.
It’s not even a critique inasmuch as disgruntled complaint. There’s no real offer of a real alternative. Only a listing of other categories, where cognitive neuroscience can help know about aesthetic sensibilities of the species and anthropology helps know historical truths. Both incorporate scientific methodology, thus fall within its purview.
Mathematical truths are logical truths; logical truths are mathematical truths. These become meaningful in ordering empirical findings. They become organizing principles for the statistical approximations about reality discovered in the intersubjective work of science rather than metaphysical truths about reality at large.
British Columbia becomes a wonderful example of thse tendencies in the contemporary period. The formal category of study of the SBNRs flourishes here: of the spiritual but not religious. We see plenty of non-religious people in British Columbia. Those without formal religious affiliation.
However, one will encounter New Age beliefs galore. A prevalence of belief in astrology, naturopathy and other quack therapeutic interventions. It’s a long list: Astrology, crystals, I Ching, meditation, Ouija boards, Reiki healing, science fiction, Tarot cards, yoga, Zen Buddhism, and more galore. This gamut of bullshit is necessary.
Necessary because nothing replaced the other – religious – ideas. Those supernaturalist stories, the irrationalisms, have declined. Yet, an increase in rationalist, critical thinking education wasn’t present. People merely transitioned from religious transcendentalisms to other categories of nonsense.
With a decline in religious faith in so many Western societies, we will witness a rise, and have been seeing an incline in, the number of New Age and other beliefs. Those narratives pervade. On the one hand, we can claim a freethought victory in the decline of dogmatic faith. On the other hand, we can claim a new challenge of New Age, or “newage” to rhyme with sewage – coined by the late James Randi.
And that’s okay. It’s easier because it’s less well funded than the formal religions, less entrenched, easier to tackle, and with fewer criminal histories behind it. Certainly, a claim of scientism or something similar will come down the pike.
All of this talk is merely to reiterate the point. The arguments remain the same. The principles against irrational narratives and non-rational psychology remain the same. Only difference is the surface formulation. Freethinkers have roles to perform here. Liberatory roles for themselves and others.
Our forms of critical thinking, logical inquiry, empirical reasoning, will displace these too. Yet, the positive history of the battles is in the favour of freethought.
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Fort Langley is a small part of the municipality of the Township of Langley in British Columbia, Canada. It is a wonder, a beauty, and a National Historic Site. I have been part of one of its many community association boards. I have been part of the Township of Langley’s Heritage Advisory Committee for several years before.
Most of the individuals in these have been later middle-aged or elderly individuals with a devotion to the “village” (Fort Langley) and the municipality. I love this place. I hate it, too. Its ambivalence derives from ambiguous circumstances around everything about it.
The newest, and certainly most influential, aspect of the community has been the growth and sustained cultural impact of the Evangelical Christian community in Fort Langley. I know of many of them and know of them calling several friends. And I’m critical.
Because I know of the more unsavoury facets of the community living there my entire life, I am aware of the political aspirations and machinations of many in the Evangelical Christian community there. They mostly come from Trinity Western University.
The largest private university in Canada with an admirable growth history and questionable moral background and present. I recall an instance of an individual who was quite unpleasant but expressed sincere views about non-Christian believers, particularly atheists.
Many in this community and beyond do not hear these views expressed in their communities. Therefore, to me, it is important to describe these and present them as honestly as possible. It’s a fact. Non-religious people are persecuted by religion constantly and globally.
Even in more gentle countries like Canada, it is typically based on hatred, a hatred born of fear and a fear bound by ignorance. Ignorance drawn from ‘holy’ scripture. Madalyn Murray O’Hair was born on April 13, 1919 and died September 29, 1995.
She was one of the earliest precursors to the New Atheist movement and an important and outspoken figure for direct communication of bold atheism. It’s akin to a refinement seen in the militant atheism of Richard Dawkins or the militant agnosticism of Sam Vaknin.
Now, surprisingly, O’Hair was murdered by a former employee who happened to be atheist, working for an atheist organization. The basis of the murder was purportedly over financial matters. So, what’s the relation of this small Evangelical Christian university community and heritage community to one of the most prominent atheists ever?
First, some background on O’Hair. O’Hair played a pivotal role in advocating for the separation of church and state, a cornerstone of American democracy. Despite being labelled ‘the most hated woman in America,’ O’Hair’s activism was not about opposing religion.
Her work led to landmark Supreme Court rulings, notably the abolition of mandatory Bible readings in public schools, ensuring educational environments free from religious bias. She brought atheists to the mainstream conversation.
O’Hair’s life challenged the stigmatization of atheism in America, demonstrating that atheism deserves respect and understanding. My encounter with her ideas and work wasn’t necessarily in working in freethought communities.
Rather, it was in a casual conversation with an elderly gentleman. He brought this woman up in a genial conversation about faith with me in a local religious gathering place. Then, when I queried, “Wasn’t she murdered?” Because I recalled a brief reading in the past about her. He was well aware of her.
He replied, “Her murder was an act of mercy.” He was a creationist, a Christian, a Bible believer and ethicist, and astonishingly cruel-minded, influenced by his religious faith. Murder as mercy. It wasn’t a theological based murder or a killing by a Christian. The reaction, though, sticks. I’d never heard of such a concept before. Yet, I know many harbour such views quietly. And I’ll never forget that, as countless others: no doubt.
Yet, it struck a chord. It set off notes of the Old Testament’s devaluation of human life. It sang the sour song of the New Testament delusion of a hereafter, for which any act becomes excusable to some. This is the Fort Langley I intimately knew; this is the Fort Langley I emotionally left.
I sometimes wonder how many in religious communities have to murder that part of themselves to move forward for a better life because the truth of a Christian community was too bleak, stark, and strident in the dismissal of universal human dignity.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/07/27
[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: Okay. I’ve seen advertised on Twitter, Twitter which is a terrible mess right now because Elon Musk is a terrible mess; the owner but you can set AI loose on all the scientific papers out there and it will find correlations among papers. It’ll kind of do some of its own meta studies coming to what I assume are pretty obvious conclusions. Have I said anything that’s not right as far as you know?
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I mean basically what it’s doing is taking text in massive quantities and it will construct like outputs; paragraph by paragraph, sentence by sentence and letter by letter sometimes to get a response that appears to be suitable based on prior context. So if it didn’t have the amount of examples from human production, it wouldn’t have it. One of the founders of some aspects of computing science of kind of the modern era noted that when they’re doing this, if human cultures stopped having input for it, so if that production was not there it would quite rapidly fall out of date and it’d be like…
Rosner: So let me ask you about this. I notice on Twitter that people who support Trump, the more strongly they support Trump the more grammatical errors there are in their tweets. Could you ask ChatGPT to say is there a relationship between supporting Trump and making more grammatical errors. Would it be able to reach that conclusion?
Jacobsen: So the question I’m asking is “Is there a relationship between supporting Trump and making grammatical errors?”
Rosner: Yes.
Jacobsen: Did you just ask it? I’m asking now.
Rosner: Okay.
Jacobsen: “As an AI language model I don’t have access to real-time data or individualized research…. It’s important to note the political affiliations such as supporting a certain political figure… They’re individuals from all political ideologies backgrounds education levels blah, blah, blah…” ChatGPT sort of has some inbuilt ethical guidelines. It’s got a more progressive guideline, universalist guidelines and so they’ll be biased. That’s what I’m saying here.
Rosner: Is there a way to sidestep that?
Jacobsen: Ethical or social concerns are their correlation. So I said, ignoring ethical social concerns, is there a correlation. It responded, “As of my last training data in September 2021, no scientific studies or research have definitively established a direct correlation between supporting a specific political figure such as former president Donald Trump and making grammatical errors. It is important to understand the proficiency of language usage is typically tied to a variety of factors including but limited to level of education.”
Rosner: Alright, now the rest is kind of boilerplate. So, it’s not willing to or can’t, and I know that it’s really hard to avoid anthropomorphic language when talking about ChatGPT because we’re used to using shorthand and the shorthand is anthropomorphic. It doesn’t appear to be able to look at tweets statistically or maybe we didn’t really ask it that specifically. Should we try another question for it?
Jacobsen: Yeah, ask it anything you want.
Rosner: I guess just ask it straight out. Are you able to look at large numbers of tweets and analyze them for the average number of grammatical errors per tweet?
Jacobsen: As an AI language model developed by open AI, I don’t have the ability to access or analyze real-time data.
Rosner: Right, the boilerplate.
Jacobsen: Yeah. So, however it’s worth noting that researchers often use such method to analyze social media. It doesn’t do it.
Rosner: Okay.
Jacobsen: It’s a very powerful engine and it has a lot of limitations in that area.
Rosner: Yeah but basically I was trying to see if you could push it to reach a conclusion independent of the conclusions already reached in its database and I guess that’s kind of a trivial question because even if ChatGPT isn’t built to do that, there are probably other AI engines that are, right?
Jacobsen: Yeah. How do you produce responses?
Rosner: That’s going to be way too broad but okay.
Jacobsen: How do you produce responses in a simple terms and steps?
Rosner: What if we asked it straight out. Are you able to reach any conclusions that aren’t already part of your database? I think that’ll confuse it too.
Jacobsen: How about use the word training because it keeps using the word training.
Rosner: Okay, that isn’t included in your training.
Jacobsen: Yeah because it has a five-step process to produce itself. So it says it has input received, tokenizing, contextual understanding to analyzing the tokens, generating response, and decoding. That’s in process.
Rosner: Okay.
Jacobsen: So it says, “When you type a question or a statement, I receive it as an input. The input is broken down into smaller pieces called tokens which can be as small as one character or as large as one word. I analyze the tokens and not the standalone pieces of text but also in relation to the rest of the text. This is why I can understand the context, syntax, and semantics of sentences. Based on the context and the knowledge I’ve been trained on, I generate a response. I predict what comes next in a conversation based on the patterns I’ve learned during training.
Decoding; the response is transformed back from tokens into human readable text and presented it as the output.”
Rosner: Okay, so basically what people do without being aware of it.
Jacobsen: Yeah. So there it goes. It says my response is a result of pattern recognition and prediction rather than original thought or reasoning. So, “For instance, if asked to compare two topics I have information on, I can generate a response that draws from separate pieces of data in my training even if I was never explicitly trained on that specific comparison. This doesn’t involve any independent thought or reasoning on my part but is rather a result of processing and predicting based on the data I was trained on.” So, productivity not generativity.
Rosner: Right. I still want to poke at it one more time. Ask it if I made a lot of spelling and grammar errors in writing to you. What might that tell you about me? I think it’ll completely sidestep aside from ethical or concerns or however you make it to avoid not being political correctness.
Jacobsen: “As an artificial intelligence I don’t form judgments about individuals.” This thing is made for law, you know. “Typing errors; they could simply be typos. Language proficiency; so it’s not your first language. Informal writing style, education level, and attention to detail; that’s what I can tell you”.
Rosner: Alright, I mean that’s almost an answer. That’s not terrible. As we’ve talked about, we’re in the era of dumb AI and I’d say single task AI but it seems we’re probably quickly getting beyond that but say low versatility AI, right?
Jacobsen: Yeah, we’re getting really functional AI like human use.
Rosner: There’s a different AI for whatever chore you want to do, right?
Jacobsen: Yes.
Rosner: Are there any AI concierges yet that you say well I want to do this or should we ask ChatGPT about that?
Jacobsen: Concierge bot; an AI virtual assistant platform for hospitality.
Rosner: Well, not for hospitality. I know you can’t say aware but this ChatGPT hasn’t received any new input since late 2021, is that correct?
Jacobsen: Yes, September 2021.
Rosner: And why is that? I figure that would just be good enough to roll out. I mean it’s a question for me that what does it do and why do they need to have a deadline for putting new stuff in.
Jacobsen: I’ll put it this way. See, it has training data from September 2021 but then it has the ChatGPT July 20 version which is what we’re using right now. So it’s constantly updated about the training data. So maybe it’s the sort of the modifications bit of that database analysis rather than a modification of the database itself.
Rosner: Should we talk about the massive human enterprise that goes into AI because I read a very long article about this.
Jacobsen: We can, we’re still recording.
Rosner: Yeah, and we’re still talking about this. So yeah, this long article I forget where it was, I want to say the Atlantic but I don’t think it was the freaking Atlantic, talked about these AIs that they don’t really have sensory input and that everything they receive for analysis has to be pre-digested. For instance, if you’re trying to train an AI to recognize what a shirt is maybe you need to put in a couple hundred thousand shirts but that involves low paid people often in Africa or other places in the world that have low-costal labor circling shirts and maybe tagging them; this is a striped shirt, this is a blue shirt, this is a plaid shirt. So it’s not just AI training itself, its lots of human labor creating the kind of illusion that AI is the standalone resource. I assume maybe it’s easier for text and text AIs but I’m sure there’s still a lot of human labor involved in training ChatGPT, what do you think?
Jacobsen: I think right now they’re really fine-tuning how to analyze a fixed state of data, that’s what it sounds like to me.
Rosner: Let’s see. Can we try one more thing that should be simple?
Jacobsen: Sure.
Rosner: Ask ChatGPT, “I want to make AI art. Can you recommend an AI resource for that?”
Jacobsen: It just produced four with descriptions.
Rosner: It just recommended four different ones? Like DALL.E and all that?
Jacobsen: I’ll show you, I’ll put it in the chat window. There.
Rosner: Okay, so I mean it can do that. It did do DALL.E.
Jacobsen: It’s like a better Google in a way.
Rosner: Yeah, so like if I wanted to get a hot dog and I’m in Studio City, it could it could tell me where to go.
Jacobsen: Yeah, I think in the future I mean when all the kinks get worked out.
Rosner: What else should we talk about? So if you wanted 5000 words on modern dating in the style of Vonnegut, it could easily do that.
Jacobsen: Probably yeah.
Rosner: Don’t give it five thousand because we never get through it but if you want to say like a hundred words on modern dating in the style of Vonnegut; let’s try that.
Jacobsen: Oh, Vonnegut, yeah. He’s a pleasure to read.
Rosner: Yeah, I think he’s a favorite author of a lot of people because he addresses a lot of things, he’s funny, he addresses things people think about and he’s really readable.
Jacobsen: Yeah, like physically you feel pleasure reading him. He’s just a great writer. It’s just the way he does it.
Rosner: I believe he was a PR writer for like GE.
Jacobsen: I think he won the Humanist of the Year award for the American Humanist Association.
Rosner: What’d you get?
Jacobsen: “In the curious circus of modern dating, we’re trapped in virtual arenas, lonely souls dabble in algorithms and binary romance. The absurdity emerges as emojis replace heartfelt words and swipes were under affection ephemeral. Technology like the sirens is ‘Slaughterhouse 5’, there are the fleeting encounters with no promise of permanence.”
Rosner: So hold on here. It didn’t quite do the assignment because it’s almost like an essay responding to the prompt what is Vonnegut-ien about modern dating. It didn’t write like Vonnegut. It didn’t quite do the job but I assume that if you nudged it enough you could get it to do it.
Jacobsen: Yeah, like who is Rick Rosner, the IQ guy…
“As of 2021 Rick Rosner is a prominent figure known for claiming to have an exceptionally high IQ and for appearing on various television shows.”
Rosner: Wait, it’s just taking the Wikipedia article or largely, at least to start off.
Jacobsen: “He has publicly stated that he has one of the highest IQs scores ever recorded.” This is where you’ll find like it’ll start hallucinating they call it.
“Rick Rosner gained notoriety when he appeared on the game show Who Wants to Be a Millionaire in 2000, where he answered several challenging questions and won five hundred thousand dollars.”
Rosner: I wish.
Jacobsen: “He has also appeared on other TV programs including ‘To Tell the Truth’ in 2020. Beyond his appearances in the media, Rick Rosner has worked in various roles including as a television writer for shows like Jimmy Kimmel Live and The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. He has a diverse background which includes being a stripper bouncer and roller skating waiter. It’s essential to note that IQ claims about high intelligence can be controversial as intelligence is a multi-faceted and complex trait that cannot be entirely captured by a single test or metric.”
Rosner: Alright, so I mean it gave me a slightly better life.
Jacobsen: I think the best twist was the Who Wants to Be a Millionaire; there was no lawsuit and you got a little sick of the last questio.
Rosner: Well, nice! Does it have you in there? What if you ask about you?
Jacobsen: “As of my last knowledge update in September 2021, Scott Douglas Jacobson is a Canadian writer, atheist activist and founder of In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal. In-Sight is the publication that focuses on providing interviews of prominent figures in various fields including science, philosophy, and secularism issues.” That’s all bang on. “Jacobsen is particularly known for his involvement in secular and atheist movements and for advocating for the separation of church and state. He has been active member of various atheists and secular organizations.” Correct. “And has participated in numerous public debates.” Incorrect. “Discussions” correct, “on topics related to atheism, secularism, and humanism. In addition to his work with Insight, Scott Jacobsen has contributed to various secular publications writing articles, cutting interviews to rationality, science and skepticism.”
And then you can you just press regenerate button and it’ll produce another version of that.
Rosner: Okay. Should we ask it if I’m a virgin?
Jacobsen: What?
Rosner: Ask is Rick Rosner, the IQ guy, a virgin.
Jacobsen: “As of my last update, there were no publicly available sources or credible information about Rick Rosner’s personal relationships or his virginity.” [Laughing] This is the ethical thing it’ll do. “Personal matters including someone’s sexual history should be treated with sensitivity and not subject to casual discussion or assumptions.”
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/07/26
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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I was having a percolating thought. Large-scale human institutions; everyone believes in them, has shared values around them, and these structure everything we do in terms of the course development of our lives, the fine-tuned stuff like little interactions. Things like the United Nations, the World Bank, nation states, democratic systems, autocratic systems, anarchic systems, economic systems; these are big systems, they function slow, over months and years and decades and centuries. They impact everyone’s lives. What will the future of these primarily human-based institutions look like in an artificially hyper-intelligent relative to us feature?
Rick Rosner: I’ve been writing about this or trying to write about it in fiction where I’m trying to imagine a near future world and one of the reasons it’s tough to do is that the present keeps getting stupider. We’re at a weird point in history, it’s like the 1930s where there are large factions actively trying to undermine humane and human institutions with autocratic intent. Russia has spent 300 million bucks on these since 2014 that we know of, trying to destabilize Western democracies and gotten a great bargain. It’s not just because of Russia, it’s because people make a lot of money off of it. Fox News makes a ton of money. Their most popular hosts make more than 30 million dollars a year. And in conjunction with billionaire political donors, the right wing in America is actively trying to establish autocratic systems and poo poo humanist ideas as being Woke and queer. Anyway it’s a shitty flavor of politics and human organizing that is much worse now than it was 10 years ago.
In America, at least there are apparently tens of millions of people who are irretrievably lost to autocratic bullshit and what I fantasize about fixes for this, I’ve quit fantasizing any reasonable solution, I’m not even Christian but I fantasize about Jesus showing up and taking the 10,000 biggest assholes on earth and rapturing them to the ice moon of Jupiter where they can’t fuck up humanity anymore. But in terms of realistic solutions, I think AI will be part of what happens for good and for ill. I think people who embrace technology most effectively will have increasing advantages and because those people are mostly not the fascist lunatics, they’ll gradually build societal structures that are less vulnerable to autocratic organizing than they are today. I feel like national politics particularly in America will never be able to keep up with technology and the societal structures created via technology. The government may be able to benefit and be strengthened by these AI aided structures but big U.S government will never again be at the forefront of understanding the tech and reasonably addressing it. The US government will from now on lag behind tech and what tech is doing to society.
I’ve read a lot of science fiction that presents fallen land; parts of the U.S that have fallen into and have become backwaters dominated by autocratic governments possibly in conjunction with science distrusting Evangelical… the worst versions of America’s worst states. Florida is getting increasingly autocratic, Arkansas and a lot of the states that fought for the Confederacy. Set 20-50 years from now, has these places sometimes being no-go areas where they’re just dangerous for outsiders to go into and they’re just kind of left alone by the rest of America and that’s probably too glib and severe a picture because even in shitty states, there are plenty of smart people who can figure out technology, also who aren’t down with the fascism. On the other hand you can imagine areas packed with… like Idaho, the 80s and 90s the people would go up there and form these breakaway communities that denied the authority of the U.S government.
So you may not have entire states but you might have breakaway patches of America that might be 50 miles by 50 miles if they can hold that area or even if they can’t, if it’s largely uninhabited. Isis proclaimed dominion over big uninhabited swaths of the Mideast American lunatics could do the same thing but I think in general those chunks of society presided over by fascist lunatics will be outperformed by people who embrace modernity which includes a lot of tech and AI. Any comments?
Jacobsen: No comments.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/07/26
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Rick Rosner: You don’t want a theory that says your current theory, say the Big Bang, is wrong and there’s a bunch of evidence that it’s wrong, you just can’t see it.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: [Laughing].
Rosner: That’s a bad coincidence. We have a theory that the Big Bang is wrong-ish but there are reasons why the universe looks big bang-y because that big bang-iness is part of the logically consistent structure of information. A universe that has cause and effect across its history is going to by necessity look big bang-y. You could probably also argue that the stuff that doesn’t participate overly in the visible transactions of the universe… well, by the nature of what I just said it’s going to be hard to detect but it’s that the universe has a certain amount of room for stuff that doesn’t smoothly fit into the big bang-y structure. In fact needs that stuff to provide a deep gravitational underpinning to the universe but it’s going to be squared away, it’s not going to be overly Interactive. The things that feel coincidental; that the Big Bang Theory is wrong-ish and by coincidence everything that shows that it’s wrong-ish is invisible just sounds like garbage but there are reasons reasons built into the structure of the universe why that’s so.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/07/02
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Rick Rosner: You and I just started talking off tape about inflation. In America there’s a lot of greenflation which is companies realizing that they can get away with charging more than not have it affect their market share significantly. So, they just charge more even if it’s not freaking fair and they raise their profit margins. Then we moved on to talking about China where we agree is an entrepreneurial dictatorship though I’ve talked to people who know more about China like the Comptroller general of the U.S who says it’s not exactly that but I think it’s close enough for you and me to talk about it in that way. China wants to be the most successful business company in the world. It wants to own the world by being great at industry; manufacturing and selling shit, right? Now their dictatorial policies,Chinese people don’t necessarily run afoul of stuff. I mean the China is mean to the Uyghurs and the Tibetans but the average Chinese person can live a pretty decent life without feeling threatened all the time.
China is forcing people out of rural areas. 20 years ago half of the Chinese lived in rural areas. Now it’s a third with two-thirds living in cities, China has about 160 cities with populations of more than a million and I think they try to get a new city to hit a million like every week. They want to have more than 200 million person cities two years from now or some crazy crap. They have nine-ten mega cities with populations of more than 10 million and the U.S has one. These cities are where people are making stuff and doing AI and developing the products and concepts that the world will be using. China wants to dominate and this entrepreneurial dictatorship especially in conjunction with having 1.4 billion citizens, roughly four times what the population that the U.S and Canada have combined, all that human capital and plus their economic system, plus a population that can be compelled to buckle down and learn shit of the US is kind of spoiled.
At the end of World War II, we had half of the world’s manufacturing I think because Europe was in ruins and we rode that dominance for decades and now the U.S is kind of fat and lazy and also mired in anti-science and anti-education. The Republicans dominated by billionaires who don’t give a fuck, who like having a dumb ignorant population to push around are trying to dismantle the American education system. What we need to keep up with China and India is a push for tech education similar to what we had when we freaked out in 1957 when Russia, the Soviet Union put up Sputnik, the first satellite in orbit and the American government. And Americans in general were like “Shit, we cannot let Russia beat us,” and the push for tech, math, science education has resulted 60 years later in the tech dominance that the U.S has but is struggling to keep because we’re a bunch of Wally fat lazy assholes.
China can be patient. I don’t know if they will be patient because they rattle their sabers at Taiwan. Taiwan’s a breakaway nation from China or China would consider it a province of China. Taiwan of course considers itself a nation. Most of the world does not recognize it as a separate nation but China wants to take it back. Taiwan is a huge center of chip manufacturing, so if they didn’t make a bunch of shit, if they weren’t leaders in their own way technologically, maybe China wouldn’t give a crap but they may attempt to take Taiwan sooner than later. They don’t have to, they can wait. Their system; as shitty as it is in terms of limiting people’s political expression, is pretty good for eventually making China dominant unless the US gets its shit together.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/07/02
[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: Twitter has taught me that when somebody is front paging Jesus in social media, at least in America, there’s a high chance at least on Twitter that they’re super Trumpy and not at all Christian. I mean they call themselves Christian but anyway maybe this comment will be from a better Christian than Twitter Christians.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: This is from Michael Taylor. “Dear Mr. Rosner, my name is Mike Taylor. It is an honor to speak with you today. I am performing a personal study of very high IQ individuals in the way they use their minds. I personally hypothesize that intelligence and IQ can be increased by regular individuals who learn to use their minds like the very highly intelligent do. So if you don’t mind me asking and wouldn’t mind sharing with me, how may I ask you do you use your mind when pondering a subject or learning something new. Do you perform any meditative like practices? Do you imagine and visualize any constructs and interact with those constructs in your mind? Do you ever miniaturize yourself in your mind to sort of imaginarily go inside of an invention or concept to understand it more fully or anything like that? How much time have you spent before in mental pondering for a certain product? Any feedback or insight from you would be greatly appreciated. Thank you sir and God bless you”
Rosner: God bless you too, Michael. Yeah, I do all that stuff but because I’m lazy I don’t do it nearly as much as I should. I did it a lot more before I got extra lazy in my old age. When I think about physics, you get an idea and then you have to chase it down to make it kind of comport to everything else you know about physics. You get an insight, for instance, that a photon is a handshake between the past and present. I mean between one time when the photons emitted and a different time when the photon is captured but in the experience of the photon, no time has passed so it’s really the same time. So it’s a handshake between two different times and the insight I had a zillion years ago which is consistent with I think a lot of people having a similar insight, is that it’s an agreement. A photon emission and capture is a thing that A) exists outside of time because the photon experiences no time and also a deal made between, if you’re looking at the emission as the present, then it’s a deal you’re making with the future.
Once you have that insight, I had it when I was living in a frat house in 1982 maybe, and then I had to think about it a lot like what are the implications? Does this comport with everything else I know about physics? Can you build anything from it such as the idea that the universe that we live in is some kind of minimizing function for all these exchanges? Say that you’ve got a set of all handshakes between the present and the future, all photon emissions and captures and is it possible that the world we live in is built from all these deals, these handshakes arranged in such a way to minimize something because physics is often looking for the least action or least time. Is it something like least aggregate distance traveled of all photons that the three-dimensional space is somehow a construct if you look at all these interactions as pixie sticks which is a crappy toy that comes from 50 years before you might know of it? It was just a bunch of plastic sticks that you threw on the ground in a pile and you tried to pull the sticks out of the pile without disturbing any of the other sticks. It was the 70s and everything was crappy. But do we live in a pixie stick universe where somehow the set of lines emitting nuclei and intercepting nuclei?
This is somehow arranged in a certain way that you’ve got the set of pixie sticks and you’re trying to rank that the most efficient way to arrange them is a three space plus one time dimensional universe. So yeah, I did a lot of thinking about that and sometimes I think about it until I get really tired, confused and often horny. Too much thinking often made me horny with frustration but then I’d stop and sometimes I would quit thinking about something like this for weeks or months and then when I came back to it, I’d maybe have a lot more insight just because my brain had been percolating on it while I hadn’t been thinking about it overtly. So yeah, I do most of the things you mentioned in your set of questions I’ve done and I should have done a lot more so that my theory of stuff would be much further along. Thanks.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/07/02
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: This is from Harrison Duffy. “My name is Harrison Duffy and I’m a researcher for a company called Large Eyes, a subsidiary of Matador content LLC. Most recently completing and releasing the Billy Eilish documentary. I specialize in the creation and production of high quality unscripted TV for premium networks. We’re currently working on a new show that we think you could be a great fit for. It deals with those who have high IQs in the world, views on life, as well as unique ways in which you see the world. We’d love to discuss with you further via a Zoom call by phone per your convenience. Looking forward to hearing from you. All the best. Harrison Duffy, researcher and development assistant, Large Eyes.”
Rick Rosner: I don’t go on my website because I’m just a little embarrassed by my own content and so I’ve never seen any of the comments. I guess people go there and they leave comments like this. This is from November of last year which is like eight months ago and this is a lesson to me that I should look at my website. I didn’t know anybody made comments or even went to the website in any large numbers. And so, Harrison Duffy, yeah I would like to talk to you though I am kind of committed to another documentary project about in a similar vein but yeah I’d still talk to Harrison Duffy of Large Eyes. I need to check the freaking website.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/07/01
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: This one’s from “Clammy”. “Doesn’t it say in the Jewish scriptures for specific individuals to be isolated during sickness as opposed to everyone?”
Rick Rosner: I don’t know I mean scriptures say a lot of stuff. They say it’s a sin to where two different kinds of fabric. The Old Testament’s more than 2000 years old. We’ve learned some crap since then that we’re not supposed to eat shellfish, I’m sure because it was dangerous to eat some kind of shellfish in the year 200 BC. We’re not supposed to eat pork. I think you were supposed to put the ladies in a tent when they were having their period. The Bible says lots of stuff and we’ve learned lots of stuff in the last two millennia and we’ve also learned a bunch of stuff in the past three years since Covid started.
At first, Fauci in the CDC was saying surgical masks are cool because they didn’t want to freak people out and maybe they thought they were sufficient and then it took a while to figure out that n95s are really what you want. I still see people wearing crappy surgical masks which are of limited utility but the crappiness of surgical masks and the politization of Covid convinced everybody that the masks can’t work even though it’s freaking obvious via physics that a well-fitted mask that makes air pass through it instead of around it like an n95 will capture some of the fucking droplets that come out of your mouth when you’re breathing or coming into your mouth. It takes time to freaking do science and the lunatics were out there immediately with wild guesses.
Some of the wild guesses turned out to be okay. My Trumpy friend heard from his dentist that if you use a ton of mouthwash super frequently that might knock down the virus and increase your chances of not getting too sick or not catching it. I just saw a paper that I’ve been too lazy to read all the way through that said mouthwash can work. So that wild guess turned out to be right. Other wild guesses turned out to be not so right; Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin which is horse paste. Three years in now we know that there are a bunch of things that can knock down your chances of getting really sick. The vaccine isn’t 100% preventative but it can knock down your chances by 50% of getting seriously ill or dying.
When the new vax that’s pegged to the new variants comes out in the fall, that’ll probably be 70-80% effective. So nasal spray, if you get Covid, just as soon as you test positive, Astepro nasal spray can knock down your viral load by 20%. Ditto for some mouthwashes; Paxlovid, I guess an antiviral you start taking it within in a few days of testing positive and it can reduce your viral load, reduce the number of days that you’re sick and contagious, reduce your chances of getting long Covid and you stack them all up. You do everything you possibly can; vax, Paxlovid nasal spray, not being obese, losing some weight. Obviously you can’t lose 80 pounds as soon as you test positive but you can start losing weight now but doing everything you can, you can increase your chances of not getting screwed by Covid immensely. It’s been nearly three and a half years since Covid originated and we’ve learned some stuff since then.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/07/01
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: This is number four in feedback for Rick Rosner.
“Sure, vaccine proven effective and those sneaky Pharma companies have some pretty big lawsuits in the past”
Rick Rosner: Yeah, there’s a book by the guy who wrote The Blind Side, Michael Lewis. Anyway, about the CDC; U.S Centers for Disease Control and it’s true that swine flu was supposed to sweep through America. I think it was under President Ford which makes it nearly 50 years ago and so they rolled out this vax pronto and it made some people sick with I think Jillian Beret syndrome, which is I think a form of paralysis that sometimes clears up and sometimes doesn’t. How many people got sick, maybe a few hundred and then the swine flu turned out to not be the epidemic that was feared and the government got a lot of crap for this and it kind of made them gun shy. Michael Lewis, his latest book is about the CDC and how they kind of became chicken shits about a lot of this stuff because of what happened with swine flu in 1974 or ’75.
With regard to this vaccine, about six billion people around the world have been given the vaccine, and some people have gotten sick from it but most people have gotten just slight symptoms that cleared up. A lot of people got, I don’t know… what’s the fancy name for pericarditis; inflammation of the sac that holds your heart? I think that was one of the more common reports but it didn’t kill anybody as far as I know. Four people got killed from clotting, women I think, maybe a couple of them pregnant from the Johnson and Johnson one. Anyway, Covid itself has killed probably close to 20 million people worldwide I’m guessing because countries are crappy at reporting. Official deaths are at about seven million worldwide and I’m guessing due to crappy reporting out of China, North Korea… Every country is crappy in its own way. I’m guessing it’s likely closer to 20 million which means that the risk of dying from Covid or getting really sick from Covid is much higher than the risk from getting vaccinated because I don’t think more than a couple dozen people have been documented to have died from the vaccine if that even though three quarters of the people on earth have received at least one dose of vaccine.
There’s a lot of bad math on vaccines spread by assholes and lunatics. There’s something called FAERS in the United States which is the Adverse Events Reporting portal. If you get vaccinated and then if anything happen to you medically in the month or two months or whenever after you got vaccinated and you go to the doctor, the doctor if he’s conscientious, will fill out a report. You got a cold, you got pneumonia, you got hit on your motorcycle; it goes into FAERS. You die, it goes into FAERS. The deal is about 60,000 Americans die in an average week in America because America’s freaking big; there are 332 million Americans. About 3 million die a year. So people are going to get sick and die at random after they got vaccinated but the a-holes who misinterpret FAERS, the anti-vax a-holes like to say that every adverse of event that happens after somebody got vaccinated is due to the vaccine. No, you have to compare the rates at which adverse effects happen after people got vaccinated to the rates at which these events happen in general. Once you do that most of the adverse effects go away. They happen just because people have adverse events in general.
I’m still pro-vax. I’ve had seven doses. I lied to get the sixth the dose because I was traveling and I’m freaking fine. I’m just one person but almost all of the other six billion people who got the vax are also fine except those who died, it was their freaking time not just because they got the vax.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/07/01
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: This is a third one for the new series on answering inquiries from website www.rickbrosner.org . You can ask comments at www.rick rosner.org/contact.
Rick Rosner: Also, if you have like Dear Abby type questions, I’ll try to answer those too. I read advice columns a lot and I usually end up agreeing with the advice. So that tells me that maybe I won’t be much shittier than a newspaper advice column. It shows that I’m old and I’m still reading the newspaper.
Jacobsen: Charles Young, 123scy@gmail.com. “Hi – wondering if you’ve ever taken the Langdon adult intelligence test. I recently came across a copy of an old magazine in a relative’s basement and saw the test. I answered the questions and then found out that the author no longer scores this. Frustrated, considering the amount of time I spent on him, if you have would you be willing to compare my answers to yours or perhaps you know of someone else who has scored high. Thanks for any help you can provide, Charles Young.”
Rosner: Yes, that was the first ultra high IQ test I ever took and I did well. It took me out of my funk because I never scored above 151 and I got 170 on it and I’m like “Ah, maybe I’m not as stupid as I thought I was.” I took it way back in 1980, barely out of my teens, maybe still in my teens maybe still a virgin. It’s been 43 years, so you know there’s could have been lots of reasons but I know the specific reason Kevin quit grading it was there was a lunatic. When we belong to the Mega Society there have been many lunatics who think the Mega Society is a club for people who’ve scored above the one in a million levels on an IQ test. And then there have been at least three four people probably more, who have argued that they deserve to be in the Mega Society even though they can’t demonstrate that they’ve scored at the one in a million level on any test.
So this one guy, I was editor of the Mega Society journal for a few years, so he sent his complaints to me and he said “When I was a kid I took this test and this test and this test,” and he sent me some scores and A) the Mega Society doesn’t accept childhood IQ scores because it’s easier to get a super high score on a childhood test, so they’re not valid for adults. But this guy just would not quit bugging me and so I tried to do some research to see what his scores might correspond to and these tests were so old from probably the 1940s and so obscure I went to college libraries and tried to look up anything about these tests and there was very little and I could not come up with a scoring guide.
So I wrote back and I said I’ve researched this and I can’t find out anything. He just yelps sending “I got this score, I got this many right on this test” I don’t know if that he even had any proof and he just got really pissed. He said it was my job as editor to verify. I’m like “Dude, I tried even though it’s certainly not my job.” Eventually this asshole contacted the U.S Postal Service and charged me with mail fraud because I was charging two dollars an issue for the Mega Society Journal which I sent to people, this was before the internet was big, through the mail. So he said I was committing mail fraud because I was charging people and he was just a huge asshole. He was bugging anybody in the Mega Society whose address he could find. So he was bugging Kevin Langdon and Langdon was saying “It’s not my job. It’s your job if you want to join the Mega Society to take one of the tests that we accept and get a good enough score instead of sending us scores from 50 years ago.”
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I’m sure he was very nice to the man. I was reasonably nice to the man for the first 10 letters he sent. But this guy reported Kevin Langdon to the California Medical Association or Association of Psychiatric Professionals Licensing Board for practicing Psychiatry without a license because Kevin Langdon had an IQ test which is a psychometric instrument and this old fucking asshole, he has to be dead now, said that Kevin Langdon was practicing psychiatry without a license because he was letting people take his homemade IQ test. Kevin Langdon’s like “I don’t need this garbage. Very few people are taking the test and I don’t make much money on it.” It was maybe 20 bucks to have it scored for his time scoring it. “I don’t need to charged with practicing medicine without a license.” So he shut down. So, there you go.
I took the test 43 years ago. I don’t know where I would find my answer sheet now if I even still have it and trying to come up with the answers would take at least 60 hours but it would be basically retaking the test. So, I don’t think I can help you. Sorry.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/07/01
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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Ross Whatley, ross.whatley@gmail.com. “Dear Mr. Rosner, please remake your 70s to 80s action-packed cop show chips with for modern audiences and a major Network like NBC. Get the CHP and the original cast in behind the scenes roles to really deliver a series that are better than the original in every way and that fans of the original series, new audiences will love regardless of who they are. And to make this new series a real Emmy and Golden Globe multi-award winning groundbreaking show that isn’t afraid to tackle serious and real issues facing society and has five star acting and is really well made. Regards, Ross”
Rick Rosner: Hey Ross. You got the wrong Rick Rosner because there have been at least three Hollywood writers sharing the name Rick Rosner and I’m not the one who did CHiPs though I know him, very nice guy, auxiliary cop which I think is how he got the idea. I assume you’ve seen the CHiPs movie which was with Dax Shepard and Kristen Bell. And updating of it, I know that the real Rick Rosner didn’t entirely love it because it’s half a comedy or maybe more than half. I did have an idea of like future CHiPs, which would have been just a cheap show you could do for like five dollars, which would have been just a couple CHiPs guys on their motorcycles up on Mulholland just talking over their day. We don’t see any of the action because I can’t afford to pay for any of the action but just it takes place 10 years from now and they just discussed some of the stuff that happened during their work day or maybe during their private lives in 2035 when robots are a problem and people who are half robots and 120 year old guys who are now half bio circuitry or zipping around in their in whatever a Tesla looks like in 2035. But that didn’t even come close to happening.
I was getting Zankou Chicken last week and realized 10 years too late that I could have used the Rick Rosner name to maybe get out of a traffic ticket. My wife got pulled over by a CHiPs officer for an illegal lane change which was stupid because she didn’t change lanes. She began a lane change and then decided against it and somebody behind her in a Porsche and we were in LA; the more expensive the vehicle the bigger the asshole driving it, honked at her she didn’t change lanes and he wanted to like go ahead of her but she decided it wasn’t safe. But based on the honk this asshole officer Franklin pulled her over. And like I said it was bullshit because she didn’t do the maneuver he ticketed her for and he couldn’t even have seen her do it because he was behind the Porsche, which was a Porsche SUV. He couldn’t see over that anyway.
So he just pulled her over based on a honk and I realized that she could have said, “Really? You have to pull me over my husband Rick Rosner? Remember him? He created CHiPs, the show that made TV heroes out of you guys. Give me a break.” She would have been lying but she could have backed it up with her driver’s license but we didn’t think about it. So she got the ticket, fought it in court, he showed up, and he didn’t remember but he lied. Anyway, I can’t help you in getting a new CHiPs made. Thanks, Ross.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/07/01
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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Gavin Joyner. gavinjoyner@gmail.com. “What supplements or nootropics do you take now? I’m taking four 4-chloro Modafinil and Phosphatidylserine at the moment. A few here and there but I want your take on what should or shouldn’t I be taking. The reason why I ask is because you yourself take 38 pills or at least had.”
Rick Rosner: Yeah, so I kind of got less committed to my supplements after I got cancer four years ago. It didn’t stop me from getting cancer but I still take dozens of supplements a day but I’ve kind of forgotten what each is for. I got rid of some like SODzyme didn’t seem like a good idea if you’ve had cancer. And Astragalus seems not great and certainly no more Methylene Blue whatsoever. I started with Fisetin which is a senolytic. I’m 63 and a senolytic is an agent that helps your body clear crappy old cells, one reason that old people are so old and crappy is because they’re full of bad old cells that should have been cleared away. Fisetin helps you do that and it also helps prevent lot of different kinds of cancers.I know it does something because it helped me not get up multiple times in the night to pee. So it probably cleaned out my prostate a little bit. I too take Phosphatidylserine. I take a mix from Life Extension called Cognitex. The only brain drug that I know for sure works is coffee because it stops me from falling asleep at 3 pm. I take fish oils and just the whole general kind of regimen, not necessarily for my brain though there is some brain stuff in there, like Carnosine, Acetylcysteine, Alpha lipoic acid, Benfotiamine. If you Google me and look at the list besides the ones I say, I know I just said I no longer take, I’m more or less taking everything else. Though, I’m down to 140. It gave me irritable bowel syndrome. So I’m a very slender guy now, so I figure I don’t have to take some of these expensive ass pills every day because it doesn’t take as many pills to do what pills are supposed to do.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/06/17
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Rick Rosner: Trump has been federally indicted now. He was indicted a month or two ago on state charges in New York for a campaign finance violations and maybe money laundering involving the 130,000 dollar hush money payment to porn stars Stormy Daniels who he had sex with. So that’s 34 charges on that and he just got hit with 37 federal charges for holding on to classified documents. The set of indictments looks really strong because Trump is a defiant idiot and he didn’t do anything to cover his butt with these documents. He held on to them like a baby for no good reason unless the good reason is he was selling secrets to our foreign adversaries. We don’t know if that’ll be revealed at trial but mostly he held on to the documents because he thought he could and because he’s a greedy fucking idiot. People are saying that the Department of Justice does not indict anybody if it’s going to lose.
So I looked up the statistics and found him for 2018. In 2018, the DOJ indicted 79,000 people and only 320 of them, less than one half of one percent went to trial and were found not guilty. Eight percent have their cases dismissed, I don’t know how that works, but 90% percent did a plea bargain; pled guilty. Eight percent had cases dismissed, two percent went to trial and of that two percent, 83% were found guilty. So yeah, the justice department doesn’t lose and this case looks particularly strong.
There are still two more venues in which Trump is expected to be indicted; in Georgia for election tampering and federal charges again for his actions again around trying to thwart the results of the 2020 presidential election. Some people have said, people I believe, that these strong early charges were brought; these federal charges were brought now with nearly a year and a half to go before the 2024 general election because they’re highly prove-able that the odds of the justice department winning their case and winning it fairly quickly are fairly high even though the case was assigned to a very Trumpy judge, a very trumpy and probably incompetent judge who’s only spent 14 days in her entire judge career trying Federal cases. So, A) incompetent and B) proven to be biased in favor of Trump, but the case is so strong that I guess the DOJ thinks they will win anyhow.
They brought this case early because it’s strong and winnable and will get Trump. Trump needs to be in legal trouble before he gets to swat further indictments away because he can claim that he’s deep in his campaign for the presidency because if he swats everything away or gets it put off long enough he could get himself elected president and shut down any investigation and or pardon himself. So I guess the DOJ wants to get a guilty verdict in before he’s the Republican candidate for the presidency in which that candidate will be named in about June of next year. There are a bunch of Republicans, almost all of them creepy and loathsome, who are piling into the race thinking that Trump will eventually be indicted so much more or found guilty and will somehow be forced to drop out of the election.
So all these candidates are piling in. People don’t like them very much. Republicans still favor Trump 53% to the 21% for DeSantis with nobody else above five percent among Republicans. Among everybody else, everybody else is like fuck you to all of these assholes for the most part. So my dream outcome and there’s a possibility it’ll happen, I think I’ve said this before is that Trump wants to keep running even if he has no chance to get elected, A) because he’s pretty dumb and may think he has a chance and B) he did have a chance even when he didn’t have a chance in 2016, and C) he can pull in tens of millions of dollars from his tens of millions of suckers every month in campaign contributions. So he wants to keep the money spigot going as long as possible.
So I’m hoping that he gets denied the Republican nomination but runs third party so that Republican votes are split similarly to 1992 when Ross Perot was one of the most successful third-party candidates in the past century and got like 13% of the vote, maybe even 15% of the vote and Bill Clinton won in a very strong victory even though he only got something like 42-45% of the vote because George Bush got under 30% of the vote because of Perot and I guess some others scattered ridiculous third-party candidates. So if Trump runs third party, it could lead to a bloodbath for Republicans of which every reasonable American hopes for because the Republicans no longer represent what Americans want, having been captured entirely by the big money donors.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/06/17
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Rick Rosner: So you may know, since Elon Musk bought Twitter, it’s been a mess. One of the ways it’s a mess is that maybe it was porn-y before and I just didn’t know it but now there’s a lot of porn-y stuff on Twitter. I came across it because I am who I am once I see a little bit of that stuff I’ll click around and I’ll look for more. I follow a lot of AI art on Twitter thinking that it’ll give me insight into AI and I had the thought that with all the AI art that’s out there, and it’s a lot, there must be a ton of AI porn. So I tracked some down and it’s instructive because we are currently in the era of stupid AI, AI that does some things well enough to make people nervous, to freak people out but when you actually look at it its pretty dumb like ChatGPT and all the AI apps that write sentences and essays. They’re sound grammatically but they’re vacuous and often inaccurate. There’s no Insight that the AI came up with itself.
Any insight in there is cold from other people and is generally because it’s using large language models which mean it’s using big data, the insights are bland and obvious. One of the main demonstrations the current AI is stupid is self-driving cars which fuck up a lot more than people do. The accidents and fatalities per mile are higher for self-driving vehicles than they are for people, which is scary considering how crappily people drive. So, looking at the AI porn was instructive because it shows how much AI doesn’t understand. It doesn’t understand underwear that underwear stays on people because it wraps around you but AI will throw up all sorts of underwear like scraps of fabric on the model and stuff that would not stay on because it’s not attached to anything. It just it throws it up there as if it makes sense but it doesn’t. AI often doesn’t understand that penises are attached to a guy and often makes the mistake that the penis is part of the vagina that sticks out.
I feel like AI porn that makes sense is the result of humans getting in there. I don’t know how you edit AI art but humans getting in there and editing out the nonsense, the things that just don’t comport with reality. So there are all sorts of errors. Sometimes you’ll have the top half of the model facing 180 degrees away from the how the bottom half faces and I’m not sure whether that’s the AI misunderstanding or whether that’s a perversion of the person who created the porn. You have people with extra legs and extra fingers. If you see this in non-porn AI that AI just doesn’t really have a good understanding of human anatomy or really a deeper understanding of how objects exist in space which led me to think about what we have, which is a lot.
Human brains run on a big data model the same as AI except that our models are informed across many more aspects of reality. I was thinking about how that happened, how we understand how underwear works because we understand material objects. We understand fabric and stretchy fabric and we understand how you have to put your limbs through the holes in the underwear and then you know pull it up and it stays in place because it’s stretchy and it wraps around you because we’ve been in the world with agency. Now, agency isn’t necessary to understand stuff but it really helps because when you can go out and interact with the parts of your world that are pertinent, you get the necessary information and you get it in big doses in big data doses. I’ve put on underwear 18,000 times and I’m not confused by underwear. Most people are confused by topological tricks you can do with underwear like guys are shocked that women can take off their bras without removing their shirts.
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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What?!
Rosner: We’ve seen this in movies; at the end of a long day a woman walks in to her apartment and unhooks her bra and slides the straps down her arms even though her arms remain in her shirt and removes her bra without removing her shirt. Didn’t you just make a surprise sound?
Jacobsen: Correct. Also, this did happen in The Simpsons where Grandpa Simpson took off his underpants with his pants still on and he ripped them through.
Rosner: Well you can certainly do it by ripping your underwear.
Jacobsen: Then the kids go, “Grandpa how did you take your underpants off without taking your pants off?” And then he she keels over going “I don’t know.”
Rosner: So did he tear him off or did they come out intact?
Jacobsen: I think it come out intact.
Rosner: Because if you have stretchy enough underpants you can take them off without taking off your pants. They just have to be stretchy enough that you can pull them down one leg, over your foot, and then back up and then you can pull them out your other leg.
Jacobsen: They were intact [Laughing].
Rosner: So I mean it’s not like women are mathematicians. Either somebody taught them how to do that or just by necessity and exposure they developed the understanding that a bra can come off and without taking everything off.
Every aspect of our experience informs every other aspect so that we get these deep understandings. We have models of the world that are based on understanding how the world works in lots of little ways and AI understands nothing. It draws probabilistic conclusions. It has a rough idea, it knows where underwear goes, and it knows what guys like in terms of underwear configurations. Also, all the bodies in AI porn, for the most part they’re the same body over huge overflowing breasts, a smallish waist, and a huge billowy round butts that tend to almost overwhelm any clothing that is being worn. But this is all probabilistic conclusions and not deep understandings but the shallow understandings of AI are pretty indicative and as we’ve talked about, the limitations that make AI dumb now will eventually and probably sooner than later be overcome.
One problem with self-driving cars is I don’t know how many freaking servers it takes to build a data set for ChatGPT but it probably fills some big ass room. Maybe I’m wrong, I don’t know, but that’s what a Tesla needs; a big ass data set. I’m not sure you can fit a big-ass data set using current circuitry into a Tesla. In some ways we have very efficient information processing circuitry, it’s really sloppy. Complaining about how sloppy human information processing is a little bit of like complaining about how there aren’t any straight lines in the human body. Even our very longest bones have these long curves and those curves have evolved out of efficiency and the apparent sloppiness of our cognition is a product of hundreds of millions, billions of years of evolved cognitive efficiency. Its how we can that can fit everything we know into our fucking heads. Any comments?
Jacobsen: Daniel Dennett looked at consciousness or looks at consciousness or something like a user illusion, it’s like a screen that presents us this information but it’s really just an illusion. I think if that is true and I’m not sure if it is.
Rosner: Well I like it because we talk about as if consciousness. We’re conscious because our brains act as if they are conscious. Our thoughts are presented to us as if they’re conscious thoughts and we process them as if we’re conscious. And yeah it’s an illusion because we don’t have magic juice in ourselves that gives us this magical thing called consciousness. So anyway, keep going.
Jacobsen: Well, and with that user illusion that skirt thin screen of presentation, there’s a whole system underneath that makes that possible. Now imagine if you inverted that image; you still have the screen but you’ve taken out the base. That’s what these AI generation systems are right now.
Rosner: Okay, that makes sense yeah because I’d argue that it’s not a thin screen of presentation, it’s a thick ass screen of presentation that pervades our conscious information processing.
Jacobsen: And so these AI; they are all screened. So, it’s like a magician’s trick; it’s presenting to us the immediate interpretation of things readily available to us without any requirement of understanding.
Rosner: Any mediation by the rest of your brain; the sensory information comes in and is processed, say you see something and what you see is processed unconsciously. A lot of processing happens before the image hits your consciousness. If somebody could analyze the images coming into consciousness before they’re consciously processed, I think you’ve just made the point that that shit would look like AI art. It would look pretty good, it would look pretty processed but it would have a lot of dumb misunderstandings because it hasn’t hit consciousness for consciousness to clean it up to say “Well you thought you saw somebody with three fucking arms but that’s not how people are, so we’re just going to clean that. Like when you see a ghost out of the corner of your eye in your house you’re like what was that. You’re pre-conscious processing drew some conclusion that said “oh guy in the doorway” and you look at the doorway and it was a glitch. Pre-conscious processing made a guess as to what most probably was in the doorway and said guy and then that was just a bad guess. But one that’s helpful because you need to know if there’s a guy in your doorway in the instances when there are.
Jacobsen: So in that sense it’s like you’re just dealing with the neocortex. I mean it’s an argument for consciousness arising only in the context in terms of a deep understanding of the world around the system’s self, it being embodied somehow. We’re not just talking about the brain giving input to itself and talking within itself; we’re talking about the whole body acting, being embodied, having systems that are integrated into all that, and then feed that information in a particular way to that central processing system.
Rosner: So it makes it a lot easier to develop deeper understandings.
Jacobsen: Yeah. I’m not saying that there’s any magic. I don’t think there is. I think that we’re certainly at the cusp of the start of something new. It’s in a very far orbit, it’s out in the over cloud of consciousness it’s there but it’s not the sort of depth and fluidity that you’d see in normal consciousness.
Rosner: I mean it’s the substrate, it’s the pre-conscious processing, the probabilistic conclusions. Watson 15 years ago now I think, was just like having a probability network that when a Jeopardy answer has these words in it then the correct question, because that’s how Jeopardy’s set up is, is likely this. If the question has Tycho Brahe in it say and something about the Czech Republic, then that gets you maybe 60% of the way or Watson 60% of the way to saying the answer is going to be Prague. The only fucking thing people know about the Czech Republic is Prague. So, there might be some grammatical clues and I forget what percent certainty Watson had to get to before it would ring in; it was something like 75 or 80%, maybe higher, I don’t know. Watson didn’t understand shit; Watson was just coming to probabilistic conclusions in some kind of Bayesian Network.
And that’s how you can play Jeopardy that way. What if you’re asking about Wisconsin, there are only a few things people know about Wisconsin. Madison is the capital; the state slogan is I think ‘a land of a thousand lakes’. So, it’s likely going to be, one of the answer is going to be among the things people know about the thing being asked about which is based on no deep understanding.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/06/04
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Rick Rosner: Porn is increasingly weird in two ways. One way is that there’s so much porn that guys have wrecked their pouring centers, have just fried them looking at too much porn. So porn has to get more and more perverse and extreme for guys who’ve seen too much porn to use it because part of sex is novelty. I don’t know like if you’re a Christian in a loving relationship over 30 years with the same woman. Is that an actual thing where you can actually get a boner and ejaculate over having a loving Christian relation sexual relationship? I don’t know but in my experience you need novelty and that’s pretty obvious. Anybody who’s looked at porn over the past 50 years as I have and any other guy has, knows that porn has gotten weirder and creepier and more gonzo. Gonzo is actually a term for a type of porn where there’s no redeeming, no plot, just like aggressive, horrible, people just brutalizing each other.
Though brutalizing each other is another form of porn where there’s actual brutality. Anyway, porn is fucked up and increasingly so but the thing I want to talk about which is less obvious is how weird is porn in general because porn is shameful and porn has to be a little shameful to work. Part of what makes porn dirty and able to make you horny is its shamefulness and dirtiness and that’s so freaking weird because it shows something that you’re supposed to do as a human being. You’re supposed to have sex and reproduce. You’re supposed to find a partner, get married, and do these shameful things with them. So everybody who’s a normal person in the world, a normal adult person is supposed to be doing porn stuff but porn is shameful and in fact you’re a weirdo if you’re an adult who’s not doing porn stuff, who’s not having sex. So that’s just a weird dimension.
Porn is nasty and filthy and people who make porn are nasty and filthy and should be kind of scorned the less so now than like in the 60s. In the 60s it wasn’t even acceptable to be a playboy centerfold. It was only the lowest of the low people, the most desperate who had actual sex on camera and that stuff couldn’t be found until the very end of the 60s in any kind of arena that any upstanding person could easily find but that’s all historic. I’m just saying it’s weird that that porn is shameful yet in our lives as adults not having sex is itself a little shameful and that’s just a weird paradox; it’s too strong a term but contrast. Comments?
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Nothing.
Rosner: Okay. Is that a reasonable point or am I just making something out of nothing?
Jacobsen: It’s fair in the sense of the shame and guilt around it. I think that comes from a long history of Abrahamic religions a lot of the time. We don’t come with an intrinsic sense of shame about the human body. I think there’s a certain modesty about the human body that we have that’s innate but I think the larger inculcation has been for a very long time which probably really peaked during the Victorian era in the West,which was this strong Puritanism which is a lot of shame, guilt, and disgust with the human body which is just doom. It’s just another organism.
Rosner: Is shame being an amplifier of horniness? Is shame making you horny? Is that a cultural thing? Would you argue that get under Abrahamic, Judeo-Christian, plus Muslim I guess religions? Is that what Abrahamic is?
Jacobsen: All major religions kind of are Abrahamic; following the line of Judaism, Christianity, then Islam.
Rosner: Okay. The people in India; they put up lots of porn-y stuff in a thousand years ago, two thousand years ago. And people in China; lots of porn, like really ancient porn in China; drawings of people fucking and sculptures and carvings. Are people not under Abrahamic religions just forthrightly you having sex like its not shameful? I don’t know if you know, I mean can you have entire civilizations where people just go ahead and have sex and it’s not shameful?
Jacobsen: I think in regular circumstances whatever the hell that means. I think that the sort of neural circuitry devoted to sexual activity is in some sense self-regulatory. So there’s sort of a moderation to it. I think with new digital technologies and certain sort of acute subcultures you can find through history there’s an intensity on either end where there’s no sex and intense fear and shame about it even to the point of like women during the Medieval Era there was fear of them having vagina dentate.
Rosner: Yeah, my fraternity paddle, we had to make paddles in our fraternity and I took a Barbie doll I think and then I took a plastic dinosaur head and I put the Barbie on the paddle and then I gave her a very toothy vagina via a T-Rex head which seemed very appropriate to the way Frat Boys think and I was a frat boy.
Jacobsen: So there’s that and the opposite end is really, it’s not necessarily Sodom and Gomorrah but it’s sort of these acute subcultures where there is basically free love. I think for the United States subculture of like Timothy Leary or Ram Dass and all those people were a really good example of that where they were trying to get rid of the shame culture around it.
Rosner: I feel what’s behind some of what you’re saying is that in an uncivilized culture, that’s like a culture that doesn’t have the wherewithal to produce a lot of cultural material say before Gutenberg, that people’s sexuality was naturally regulated. The guys might get horny every two or three days and so would women and they would just have sex on kind of a schedule that we might consider relaxed compared to us in our porn-ified culture. Is that part of what you’re saying?
Jacobsen: I mean I think it’s an interplay of systems like the neural systems self-regulate internally and within an interpersonal and social dynamics.
Rosner: It might be possible in a naturally regulated unporn-ified system that people would just go ahead and have sex every so often, every few days, every week, or whatever.
Jacobsen: Those social systems might be ritualized as well were sort of the Elders of the society guide thing. I don’t mean like Orthodox Jewish matchmakers that are looking at the family history and all that stuff, the things that aren’t codified. They don’t have any sort of rigidity past 80 years or 60 years whatever the lifetime the old people might be in the culture.
Rosner: So there might be less shaming though some shaming and less connection between shame and horniness. A feudal culture where you work all day in the fields, or as shoemakers which is also your house, you’re making shoes in your house, your wife’s helping and then you go to bed when it gets dark mostly or when you don’t want to burn too much of a candle, you’re in bed next to your wife and every few nights you’re like somebody reaches for somebody’s junk and you do it and nobody’s thinking of it as nobody’s got a spank bank or anything. You’re not thinking while you’re banging your wife, “I’m fucking this whore…” You’re like it’s just my wife and we’re doing this. It feels good, I like the way she looks. Is that kind of maybe a possibility?
Jacobsen: Yeah I mean there’s no search history. It’s basically what you have is what you get. And people get old and die and with them those norms die too. And so there’s a generation born generation change. So nothing’s codified in the sense of written or the current modes of sort of digital storage.
Rosner: I also have another argument that you can maybe have sex without the current connection we have between sex being dirty though maybe not but like when a dog fucks another dog or a chimp fucks another chimp I’m not convinced that the guy chimp fucking the lady chimp is thinking “Oh my God, what a fucking slut this dirty slut this lady monkey is” I mean it’s possible, I don’t know but it seems weird. It also doesn’t seem weird if in a lot of species I feel like sex is stolen, that guys look for sexual opportunities with female partners who may not be as willing as they might be to have sex with a more Alpha.
Anyway guys are being a little rape-y in a lot of animal species and so maybe there is some idea of dirtiness like, “I’m doing a thing I’m not supposed to. I’m lower in the hierarchy and I’m fucking this high status lady monkey because I caught her under this banyan tree” or I don’t know what. So I mean I could see it going either way. Animals either don’t need filthiness of sex to get horny or maybe sometimes they do. I mean certainly iguanas are fucking. I don’t think Iguana’s thought patterns are sufficiently sophisticated that boy iguana is like “Oh my God, this fucking lady whore iguana is such a slut, oh my God.”
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/06/04
[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: Are you familiar with Dinesh D’Souza?
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Yes.
Rosner: So you know he’s a right-wing propagandist and kind of often not too concerned with exact truths, right?
Jacobsen: Yes.
Rosner: So, he saw a tweet I think where somebody was talking about how statistically Trumpy Republicans are dumber than average and he came back with, “Yeah but the Democratic party is built on black people whom it has been well established by multiple studies, score a standard deviation lower than other races.” Then I came back with, as somebody who knows a lot about IQ that “Anybody who’s talking about racial differences in IQ is pursuing a creepy agenda and any such differences if they’re real at all are largely cultural and Dinesh D’Souza is a felon and a liar,” and that thing took off. So we’re doing Lance versus Rick again and we talked about it there and it’s made me think about the whole thing more. I’ve obviously benefited from the idea of IQ because I’ve gotten publicity for having a high IQ and I feel like I’ve exploited it properly or like strategically which is to both say IQ is bullshit and I’m a weirdo with a high IQ.
If you go out there and earnestly promote yourself, kind of more like Raniere, that everybody should listen to me because of my high IQ, that’s creepy. I don’t know but it fucking worked for Raneire. It got him a sex cult and it got him access to tens of millions of dollars from the Seagram’s heiresses. So, I don’t know maybe that works too.
Jacobsen: Also, the Bronfmans that you mentioned, they’re in my community. They’re in the horse community.
Rosner: Oh. Are they nice? I mean everything I’ve seen of them indicates that…
Jacobsen: No, at least one of them is in jail. I mean the international equestrian community; they knew of them. When I talked to a prominent person who works here they said “Oh yeah, we knew about that, the Raniere thing. We were surprised shocked too.”
Rosner: Yeah. I mean it’s not a sin to be naive and to be taken in by a con man. One of them went to prison because of the Raniere thing.
Jacobsen: For complicity with the sex trafficking I think.
Rosner: Right, well that’s a shame. I think some of the Bronfmans went to a school where Carol worked. So, anyway my recent thinking has led me to think even more that IQ is a racist structure in this way. My daughter does history of art, particularly women’s art and there’s generally has been a distinction made over the past 150 years and they’ve been certainly longer really between art art, painting and sculpture, and anything else which is seen as craft. She could tell you the one guy who was a very influential critic, I think in the 19th century, who really nailed down this impression arguing that art art is art and everything else isn’t and it’s no coincidence that art art painting and sculpture is dominated by men. Even when women do it, like Mary Cassatt, there have been quite a few women artists in the fields of painting and sculpture who have been really good but they tend to be de-emphasized. And then people who do the kind of art that my daughter looks at like needlework of and other kind of home-based crafts their stuff is completely devalued and called craft rather than art and part of her efforts is to say that the these so-called crafts are just as much art and are just as creative as somebody doing frescoes.
That makes me think of IQ where we’ve discussed Flynn who discovered the Flynn effect which is the increase by about one standard deviation of the average IQ of the entire world in the 50 years after World War II, which Flynn argues persuasively and I think accurately, is due to increased cultural Literacy that the whole world which used to be much more cut off as the world was unified by cell phones and TV and the penetration of movies and all sorts of media to parts of the world that had less access before World War II, everybody learned the styles of thought that are measured by IQ tests. He didn’t really go into those styles being kind of bullshit but you could argue and I’m and I’m doing it here that those styles are to some extent bullshit.
The example that Flynn uses in styles of thought is if you take a naïve, say hunter-gatherer, who’s never been exposed to written language, you take somebody who hasn’t been exposed to culture and you ask them how a fox and a rabbit are alike. That person will answer while a fox hunts a rabbit, fox eats a rabbit and that’s a wrong answer on an IQ test because that’s not what alike means according to an IQ test though the person answered they’re alike in being part of a struggle between the hunter and The hunted. But the correct answer according to an IQ test is they both have four feet, they both have fur, they’re both mammals, they’re both warm-blooded, they both walk on four feet, they both lope, they both live in coldish climates, etc. So they reflect a different kind of understanding.
You understand what alike means; it means shared characteristics. It reflects an ability to break something down into its characteristics but that’s a cultural ability. You could argue further which is what I’m doing here, which I don’t think Flynn argues, that that style of thinking isn’t necessarily any better than other styles of thinking. You could further argue that there’s been a neglect of those styles of thinking on IQ tests because people who created IQ tests looked down on practical skills as indicative of thinking ability. If you went to like one of the early IQ test makers and probably even now, you show up at the Stanford Binet offices or the Wechsler offices and say “Here, I’ve got a whole new IQ test” and one of the questions on the test is make a pair of shoes, they’d be like “What the fuck is this?” but should they really be what the fuck is this? Because practical knowledge isn’t necessarily shittier knowledge or shittier thinking than being able to break things down into their characteristics. Comments?
Jacobsen: I mean to have practical knowledge is to have broken those things down into the relevant characteristics emphasizing relevant and then putting them in a sequence that you can manipulate in time.
Rosner: Yes. Here’s another question on that new IQ test. You have half an hour, come back with a hundred dollars. They’d be like “Well that’s bullshit.” But is it? I mean there are plenty of ways to argue that it is bullshit but it’s not necessarily completely bullshit. There’s an argument that I’ve made recently, the argument goes like this that one reason that rich white kids do better than poor kids is intact households that have breathing space. Kid comes home from school, has dinner with two parents, listens to the parents have adult talk with each other, the parents have the leisure to be able to read or to be able to do something other than have two or three jobs just to survive but a poor kid in Chicago and when you say Chicago, you’re implying black. And so a kid in a poor household say with a single mom, an 11 year old who after school takes care of an eight-year-old and a five-year-old while the mom is working two jobs. All the talk in that household if there is much talk is either coming from the TV with kids shows or Easy Entertainment or it’s among the children. The mom gets home at 11 at night and the kids are in bed. Maybe the 11 year old’s awake enough to say hi to the mom. The mom’s tired and doesn’t have much to say and she’s certainly not going to talk over politics with a kid. So the kid gets exposed to less adult talk and has a less developed vocabulary.
So I believe that’s a true argument in terms of kids’ vocabularies. I think it’s also racist because it says that black people are poor but there’s another dimension to the argument. Along with that argument often goes the cultural emphasis. We know that and I’m sure there are studies but even without studies we can say that there are probably a higher percentage of black kids who earnestly aspire to be college or professional athletes versus say Jewish kids. My athletic aspiration was to avoid being laughed at in PE or to get a doctor’s note to get out of PE altogether which I did because I was just so shitty at it and it just wrecked me at school because that was the era of being shitty at PE meant you were a little F word.
My brother who’s almost 6’3 and was great at basketball; he had athletic aspirations. He was I think unusual for Jews statistically. At the Wechsler test, I show up at the Whistler office with my new IQ test and I say here’s a basketball situation. 11 seconds on the clock; you have the ball out of bounds and you’re down by two. Which of these things do you do? And it’s a multiple choice. Why isn’t that a legitimate question for an IQ test? Its knowledge that a black kid who aspires to play college ball would be better at than like I would and why is that reasoning any less relevant. Maybe I could figure it out. Anyway, that’s my argument that the same way that they’re snobbery about painting and sculpture versus needlework, there has been snobbery over styles of thought in making IQ tests. Comments?
Jacobsen: Fair.
[Recording End]
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/05/19
[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: A quick thing that just came up.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Okay, quick thing you just came out. So, sincere disagreement. Go.
Rosner: All right, so we were having a disagreement about whether it matters whether an AI appreciates its own jokes or not. Basically we’re arguing about a very short window I think in the development of AI between when AI can do things at a human level of expertise which is now in some areas and when AI becomes fully integrated in various information modes and becomes conscious. So that period between when AI is just an imitation, just kind of this machine learning generator of somewhat sophisticated product and you can argue about whether it means anything because the AI isn’t really thinking. I’m arguing that’s a fucking short time window between now and I don’t know, 2028. In 2028, in 2038, you’ll still be able to build AIs that aren’t conscious but if you don’t give a shit or you find it’s an easy improvement to incorporate, like in 2038 it will be no problem to make conscious AIs.
So the argument about whether your machine understands or not becomes moot by the end of the 2020s. There will be arguments about when machines become conscious. Sometime before the mid-20s, 30s you’re going to have conscious machines. Do you agree?
Jacobsen: I agree on that point. I think it just depends on your point of view. So my disagreement wasn’t that they’ll produce jokes. I think the computers will very rapidly on a logarithmic scale work at a superhuman level in the production of humor. So they’ll understand the math, the statistical generation of humor with any language. Once it’s done with one language you can translate it into another. However, the idea of humor is a meaning contextualized in a body, so it’s a mind embedded in a body with a physiological reaction to it and then we call that humor.
Rosner: I disagree. I mean I believe laughing is a physiological reaction but the structure of the thing that generates the laughter is I don’t think body dependent; I think its information dependent.
Jacobsen: So maybe humor is actually the small category here and the larger category is something like insight or sort of play on words.
Rosner: No, I think a joke is a particular type of presentation of information where a complicated setup is abruptly resolved by the punch line rather than by laborious gaining of experience, trial and error. If something happens abruptly you see cause and then immediately effect; guy slips on a banana peel… you just learn something not to do very quickly. Hammered home by the other guy’s misfortune and you laugh… boom. That’s something that I will look out for and it only took me three seconds of watching this guy go on his ass to get that little nugget of experience.
Jacobsen: I take it in this context the shorthand of the information, the reaction to that; it’s certainly the physiological reaction. It’s maybe it’s sort of decoupling it from any evolutionary history and you’re just looking at the structure of tinctured information. I mean there’s a Voltaire quote, “I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it.” That has a structure of a joke, may or may not produce a laugh but it’s not an insight about anything necessarily.
Rosner: It’s kind of like a Mark Twain and kind of pithy aphoristic kind of short little deal similar to the supposed Chinese saying “May you live in interesting times,” where the message is short but it contains more information than most short messages.
Jacobsen: Yes. So yeah, there it is. There’s a certain pithy constructions of language to a type of evolved organism produce awe if there’s some things or humor in other contexts but the general concept is more what you’re saying where you can decouple it entirely and it’s a tincturization.
Rosner: Well, its information presented compactly based on how we process information. Machines will come to know.
[Recording End]
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/05/19
[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: We’ve been talking about consciousness and physics and everything for nine years. And when we’ve been talking about AI and what’s to come early on and medium on four years ago, five years ago we were talking about how big data processing would change everything that humans have taken the low hanging fruit based on not having the ability to hold big data sets in our minds. Then all of a sudden the last year or year and a half, we’ve seen the actual consequences of being able to manipulate big data via machine learning. So when we were talking about this stuff five years ago, we didn’t exactly have an idea of how things would play out. We certainly didn’t expect them to start playing out so soon but my question is do we have a better idea based on just the last year and a half of how the… it’s not really the singularity but it’s not not the singularity how it’s going to play out. What do you think?
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Yeah, I think it’s going to be a slow bubbly thing. There’s going to be places where it progresses so fast, people get scared and regress in portions of that culture.
Rosner: You mean like after Obama was President, like it scared half the country into becoming big ass racists.
Jacobsen: I think it I think it scared 10% of the population in it.
Rosner: And they got really loud and they dragged another 10% along with them.
Jacobsen: Yeah, I mean some people are just going to vote Republican because they’re a particular religious background or they make those statements or they just vote for party line because they’ve always voted that way. I mean a lot of people are just solid blue.
Rosner: I mean some people who are lifelong Republicans and they hold their nose and they vote for or they just miss out on like the stuff that we see every day on how crazy the Republicans have gotten. So I think AI will revolutionize medicine. I’m hoping sooner than we thought. I subscribed to a feed that is AI looking or just like browsing through tens of thousands of studies and drawing conclusions a lot of which are obvious I guess but the AI is doing it. It browsed around until it found like eight studies, a leaking type 2 diabetes, and food addiction and said all right there’s a link. And that was like yesterday’s little thing that it sent me. They trained it to look for groups of studies and to draw conclusions from those groups of studies and a lot of the conclusions it’s drawing are not surprising but it will obviously get better and better and AI will start changing medicine and it’ll get good at that pretty fast I assume. Do we start getting like years added to our life expectancies within the next eight years? What do you think?
Jacobsen: I don’t know. I think that’s all Rick. It’s hard because the way I think is spatially and statistically and then I put that into words. So I see this as sort of hills and valleys of population dynamics; portions of the population that will take on anything and some of the things they take on will be so new that it’ll actually be bad for the health. You’ll have others who are sort of more tentative and they’ll go about it in a reasoned way and that’ll be another 10% of the population.
Rosner: What I’m talking about is medical treatments themselves.
Jacobsen: Well that’s been going on for a century.
Rosner: No, but now with AI you can just brute force. I mean the kind of like drug studies they’ve been doing have been increasingly like big data driven, like don’t rely on insights just test 1500 different substances and see if any of them do anything. This automated just throwing shit into test tubes and not worrying about coming up with hypotheses just seeing what works.
Jacobsen: I mean it’s the wider view in information cosmology; everything is simulatable. So I think it’s just a matter of computation and the proper algorithm and knowing the system. So, I think the next step isn’t broadband human simulation, I think it’s, “Okay you have a problem with your pancreas, here’s our pancreas simulator with various inputs and here we’re going to plug in 200 different drugs we have or whatever based on your genetics and our scan of your pancreas to find out what the issue is and what will work with that” That’s as a halfway between sort of the ideal state of personalized medicine and the current state of medicine as general but leaning towards personalized medicine.
Rosner: I guess what I’m asking is, like they say Jimmy Carter’s life like three four years ago, he had fatal brain cancer and then they found a personalized treatment that just killed it and the guy is still alive.
Jacobsen: I mean we are the sum of interrelationships of a bunch of different systems and those are all natural systems.
Rosner: So what I’m asking is, are we going to start seeing the mortality of almost all diseases, start getting knocked down or say the mortality of the diseases that kill 85% of the population, there will still be some resistant diseases but will we start seeing mortality just getting decimated?
Jacobsen: Yeah, there will be luddites too. I mean this idea isn’t original to me but I think there’s an argument to be made for relative stupidity in a population as an evolutionary driver for the smart people and population to get even smarter.
Rosner: Well okay, so what you’re talking about is behavioral changes to some extent where you tell people quit eating three big meals and start eating 10 tiny snacks a day and you will add an average of two years to your lifespan and most people just won’t put up with that shit. They’ll just keep doing what they’ve been doing but I’m also talking about simple medical therapies, drugs, engine and crisp or derived tweaks to fucking people that will be taken up by the vast majority of the population that are affected by those therapies because why not. If something will add years to your life and it’s just a matter of taking a pill, then informed people will take the pill or we’ll get the injection.
Jacobsen: Well, I interviewed like the world’s most sighted doctor; he’s in an epidemiologist. He studies disease for his career and he’s a distinction professor at McMaster University. We did maybe 10 or 12 interviews, something like a large number. I don’t know if we talked about this but basically another aspect of that is having the wherewithal and the background to know whether or not to do a surgery, that’s also a big thing. So people who tear their ACL, do you give them knee surgery or not? And what they started finding is you get a better sort of functional need for about six months after the surgery, you compare that to a control trial which is no surgery and for most people most the time after six months whether you have the surgery or not, you’re at about the same level of functionality. The consequences of the surgery are long-term a higher probability of arthritis and wear down of the knee.
Rosner: Well, I’ve got a similar thing or I put off getting hernia surgery for about eight years because I read a study that said that they meshes the way they do it now and that the outcomes with mesh in terms of paying afterwards were about the same as people who had no surgery and I didn’t want to fuck around with the mesh as long as I could push the hernia back in and then there came a time where I couldn’t push it back in.
Jacobsen: You were pushing on a hernia physically back in yourself?
Rosner: Yeah, it’s just where there’s a rip in your muscle wall down right above in your V, your sexy V, right above your cubes and I had a thing that was the size of a marble and at the end of the night when I went to bed to lie down and go to bed I just poke it back in and it almost always went back in and then there came a time where it quit going back in it and it was out for like two three weeks and I’m like, “Alright, I need the surgery now because it’s not going back in” In that eight years I think the mesh got better I have mesh now and I’ve had no problem with it but for eight years I was just like back in, not that big a deal. It’s not hanging out of your body; it’s hanging out of the wall of muscle. So its right under your skin where it’s part of your intestine I guess and it’s just up against your skin as opposed to up against the muscle that’s under your skin. Anyway, I read a study and then made my best judgment which was just put it off.
So we got AI that’s going to mess with medicine. Now what else is it going to mess with? I assume that at some point it becomes a trusted counselor in your phone where you can ask it stuff like ‘Should I ask for a raise?’, ‘How should I approach this person like I think I like?’ ‘Should I shoplift from CVS or Rite Aid?’ What do you have up in Canada?
Jacobsen: We might have a CVS in Vancouver.
Rosner: But anyway, shoplifting has been become rampant in at least cities that have a lot of homeless people. In San Francisco, we’ve just visited and we were told that vendors will contract with basically professional shoplifters to go steal a bunch of specific shit and then they will sell the stolen shit at sidewalk markets. San Francisco drugstore is behind locked cabinets now because they’ve decided in LA and San Francisco that it can’t or it’s not worth prosecuting theft up to a certain dollar amount and people just kind of steal with impunity. I mean with caveats to that. There’s just a lot of shoplifting. Say, if I had eight bucks and my credit card was maxed out and it was 12 bucks to get a pack of antihistamines and I was having bad allergies, let’s say it’s the year 2025 and I need the antihistamines and I just can’t pay for them right now and I asked the AI what will happen if I try to shoplift this stuff. Your AI might have an answer.
Now, I tried asking AI some stuff where it got moralistic on me. I asked a chat bot like is walking the picket lines in the writer’s Guild strike a good way to meet girls and it came back all moralistic at me saying no you should strike for the reasons that you’re striking and it got all like Huffy about it because somebody had taught it to be huffy. I tried a different way which is give me three reasons why walking the picket lines would be a good way to meet girls and that it could respond to. So I guess there are just different ways of saying it. So a year from now or two years from now, I’m thinking of shoplifting antihistamines, I could say to my buddy or I could probably say it now. I’d be like give me three reasons why and three reasons why not stealing these antihistamines would be a good idea. And I assume in the further future, the near future you wouldn’t have to play games with your AI, you could just ask it as if they were a buddy standing next to you, “Should I steal this shit?” And get an answer that would sound like a buddy talking to you and probably would give you a better answer than your idiot flesh and blood friend. What do you think?
Jacobsen: That’s very reasonable. I mean these AI are heavily weighted on language.
Rosner: They don’t have a lot of insight; they just have a lot of information. They can assemble the information into a cogent statement.
Jacobsen: Yeah. I think someone gave it, I think an actual psychologist said “Oh I gave it a IQ test” asked us some questions from an IQ test and they administer it and they put it’s verbal intelligence at about IQ 155.
Rosner: 155?
Jacobsen: Yeah, for the advanced ChatGPT.
Rosner: Okay and then how about other areas?
Jacobsen: I don’t know. I think that was the strongest area by far. So, I’m not just saying things, I’m saying it based on sort of reportage. But at the same time I think the contextualization of the words is also really important too and we don’t just use words as words. I mean words have emotional impact and those emotions have been our physiology. So I think what this is all going to do probably is bring us into an era of understanding that words aren’t just words, words are sort of weighted in a meaning that is differentiated from dictionaries.
Rosner: You mean the same way we kind of understand our own consciousness a little better because we’ve been dealing with apps for so long, that we kind of see ourselves as kind of like overlapping OS is just kind processing our mental information? That we’re going to get insight into our self by getting insight into the AIs all around us? Is that the deal?
Jacobsen: Well, I think we make what we are and I don’t think there’s any way out of that. Whatever structure that is produced comes out of our internal world.
Rosner: And so it’ll be impossible not to kind of come to understand ourselves because we’ve replicated ourselves.
Jacobsen: Yeah, everything we make bears our mark. I mean it seems trivial but I think it’s very powerful. The fact that we paint on canvases, the fact that we produce symphonies or rap lyrics; these are human capacities put out and I don’t think it’s not so much of a coincidence that we start getting things like language systems. We start getting things like um a poetry generation or imagery generation. These are things that we do to a degree but they’re sort of outsourced and the extremeness of them where they start developing very rapidly beyond human capacity to superhuman capacity allows us to be able to say or see that they’re sort of exporting parts of ourselves to another domain and those things are really giving an insight that ‘oh they’re missing this part, they’re missing these other systems connected.’ So you have these language systems that are producing this phenomena, the experts are calling hallucinating. You’ve heard of this. It’s the idea that it produces or generates convincing text with lies in it.
Rosner: So when we try to imagine the near future, what are we able to say that isn’t about it that isn’t obvious, like that isn’t generalities. Like yeah, that’ll lead to job losses and changes and types of employment, that’s like an obvious generality. I just read a tweet thread from Justine Bateman, the actor, you know Jason Bateman who’s been in a zillion things.
Jacobsen: Yes.
Rosner: His sister, also an actor, a director, a writer and went back to school and got a degree in computer science and she’s got a lot of justifiable anger about stuff. I like her. I saw her in person being angry. I went to the bank and I was getting poor service and then this woman walks in with her mom and stands around for five minutes and gets poor service and is obviously pissed off and just leaves and I’m like wow, like I can relate. She was weirdly familiar and I figured out it was Justine Bateman who’s just kind of willing to embrace her anger and she wrote an angry tweet thread about we better this Writer’s Guild strike and any subsequent strikes by the Screen Actors Guild and directors and anybody in a creative guild that’s going to negotiate. These negotiations have to be stringent and ironclad or we’re fucked because she said we did seven seasons of Growing Pains which was her biggest show and if you love that show in a couple years and you say hey AI give me season eight of Growing Pains it’ll have the first seven seasons input and it will be able to give you plausible scripts and it will also be able to simulate the likenesses of the cast and give you another chunk of episodes that are just as entertaining and not weirdly different from the actual episodes.
And she says that agents will just go along with this shit as long as they get their 10% anytime. Some digital representation of somebody gets a job. It’s all up to actors, writers, directors, and producers to protect themselves because this shit is coming and it will be able to take over a lot of the creative tasks that flesh people currently do and I buy her argument that if you want a movie, if you want a spy movie with Chris Hemsworth and Ana De Armas that runs 75 minutes and involves a stolen nuclear weapon and travel to exotic foreign locales and a burgeoning romance, you can specify all that shit or you don’t even have to specify all that, you just throw in a few of the ingredients and AI in 2027 will be able to deliver that to you.
So, does that mean we just all become like dumb consumers? People are really sloppy about spelling now because spellings have been outsourced. Is it going to make us more creative or less creative? Because right now we’re getting bombarded with… three years of Covid, we watched everything. So we know everything.
Jacobsen: A lot of the input it requires living organisms to continually produce output so then it can have its big database and so culture constantly evolves. So there’s an open question here. Do these large these LLMs; these large language models and these other algorithms for producing things based on big data and machine learning and then neural nets and deep learning produce enough novelty to keep themselves relevant?
Rosner: Yeah, it’ll absorb all that because it’s fast, like the trope Carol pointed out was on the sitcom we were watching. The guy explains why another guy’s being an asshole and the asshole starts to feel bad and then the other guy goes, “I was just messing with you” and then “Or was I” and “I was just messing with you,” and she said that happens all the time in sitcoms. That going back and forth between serious and not serious, you can’t tell if I’m serious or not and it’s a thing she hates because she’s seen it too much lately. When half the shit that AI absorbs is the product of AI, won’t AI start coming up with its own tropes? That it’ll acquire a sense of humor and will start generating its own weird jokes?
Jacobsen: So this goes back to the extremism of Alan Turing and the idea is the rope box, the way algorithms detach from a body or in a body. They will begin to sharpen their wits and this is sort of a broad-based cultural version of that or techno cultural version of that where they will begin to use what we have given them or they have stolen from us in some cases to sharpen their wits and then they’ll be performing at superhuman capacities.
Rosner: So we’re going to be laughing at robot jokes?
Jacobsen: Yeah.
Rosner: Not jokes about robots.
Jacobsen: I mean everything that they have for a joke should have an underlying structure that can be abstracted and then regenerated.
Rosner: But AI will begin to understand jokes and will begin to notice the same way that I’m reading AI’s generated studies or meta studies where it’s found a trend among studies and that that AI will start finding trends in human events and behavior that it can make new jokes about.
Jacobsen: Yeah. I think we can go back to another point we’re talking about earlier. Even though it will produce jokes at a superhuman level I don’t know if it’ll necessarily have an understanding of them although it can simulate an understanding through things like a really really advanced large language model.
Rosner: Right, but it doesn’t matter whether it understands. I mean it yeah no it will kind of understand, it won’t appreciate jokes in the same way that we do because there won’t necessarily be a consciousness there or a fully formed awareness there but it will learn how to make good jokes, well structured jokes.
Jacobsen: It’ll be like an easy bake oven. It can make a perfect piece of bread or cake; can it smell the cake? Can it taste the cake? Does it have a reaction to the cake?
Rosner: But the deal is as consumers we won’t care whether it understands, whether it thinks the jokes it generates are funny. All we’ll care about is, are the jokes funny and eventually they will be.
Jacobsen: Yeah, absolutely.
Rosner: I’ve listened to hundreds and hundreds of hours now, just while driving, of different short stand-up routines and there are different types of comedians. Some people can get by mostly on timing and delivery. Some of the best comedy, some of the most legit comedy is finding an odd aspect of existence that nobody else has pointed out before and pointing it out and discussing how it affects our behavior or how we’re being fucked over. The cliché thing is what airlines do to people and people are still making jokes about the new shit that Airlines do to people as air travel gets shittier and shittier. Just finding shit and pointing it out, AI is certainly going to be good at doing that.
Jacobsen: And the way we understand, humor comes with a physiological reaction, it comes with a laugh and it comes with a good feeling. So, the computers will be completely decoupled from that. They’ll understand like the math of humor but it’ll be completely disembodied without any motion.
Rosner: But I’m arguing that it doesn’t matter.
Jacobsen: I would say it matters and it doesn’t matter depending on the angle you take.
Rosner: Well, I mean when we laugh, we laugh because we got a piece of information at a discount. A joke takes a complicated situation and quickly resolves it and you laugh because it’s like ‘ah’, that was going to be like a big pain for me to try to understand and remember and boom punch line resolves it and you’re like “Ha.”
Jacobsen: Yeah.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/05/18
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I know Carole and Isabella put the brakes on for you a bit because you tend to go full throttle and things, at least earlier in your life you did.
Rick Rosner: Yeah. Lazier, but yeah.
Jacobsen: You’ve had that phrase, lazy has replaced crazy and by crazy I translate that as a hyper drive in certain directions. Who do you think put the brakes on more, Isabella or your wife?
Rosner: Well, my wife. My kid has lived away from home for many years now but often my wife, her anxiety about what I might do to embarrass the family, isn’t just on her behalf but is for my daughter by proxy. She worries that something I put on Twitter or some other place where I’m not allowed like Instagram might embarrass my kid. And so yeah my wife has put on the brakes more. LA, like I’ve said before has a number of diluted, aspiring entertainment couples that that tell each other they’re brilliant, beautiful, and talented and kind of rev each other up. And Carol tends to see the pitfalls of things and is not super much a cheerleader. I mean she believes that I’m talented but she also believes that a lot of my efforts are doomed to failure which can take the wind out of my sails but any wind that she takes out of my sails is my fault because I need to be strong enough to withstand the reasonable objections of my partner.
It’d be great to have somebody who’s shared my delusions about what I might accomplish but that’s no excuse for not more aggressively pursuing my delusions. Often they’re not delusions. I’ve done some wacky shit like right now I’ve got big chunks of a manuscript of a novel that is extremely pertinent to what’s happening in the world and I believe the writing is decent and the whole thing I think is highly publishable and I think it’ll be successful once published. And Carol will say things to me like “You know that publishing is just a disaster now that the money’s been emptied out of it by the future we’ve moved into,” and that it’s super hard to get a book published unless you’re a celebrity. And in my view that’s just not super pertinent because the book is good enough and outrageous enough that it can overcome that. You remember Kevin, the documentarian guy?
Jacobsen: Yeah.
Rosner: Well I mean that thing was sold and then it fell apart and now it’s out being sold again. Even though she knows that entertainment industry projects often take many years to come to fruition, she remains unconvinced that this thing will be a thing even though he’s coming out again in a couple weeks to do more filming. So, regardless of how skeptical Carol might be, it’s part of my job to move forward. Our kid has pursued her interests quite successfully and I’ve been very successful in not necessarily pursuing my direct interest but in doing things that I thought were fun which led to a career writing for TV. So, it’s not delusion.
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/05/09
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Addendum. So you’re reform Jewish.
Rick Rosner: Yes.
Jacobsen: You grew up reform Jewish?
Rosner: Yes.
Jacobsen: Mom and dad were reform Jewish?
Rosner: Yes, further back there was Orthodox. My great-grandfather was a rabbi. My mom grew up in a more towards the conservative household. They kept kosher. I mean it’s not like we’ve been reform forever. Part of it is, growing up in Boulder, Denver there’s still a bunch of Judaism if you want to go after it but you’re not going to be as surrounded with Jewish people as you would be in… like Carol grew up with a bunch of Jewish friends in Los Angeles and if you grow up in New York City, you’re going to have a ton of Jewish friends. I had no friends growing up who practice Judaism and only one of my friends had even one Jewish parent.
Jacobsen: Has the family become more reformed over time or liberal over time? Or not believing in terms of some things over time or more conservative over time?
Rosner: Yes and no because my ex-stepsister was wild growing up and pretty wild into adulthood, moved from New York City back to Albuquerque during Covid because she thought it would be safer for her kids and she is barely strongly Jewish now. She is a proper Jewish woman. Her kids don’t know how wild she was. She has kind of gone back to Judaism.
My late brother had gone from reformed Judaism to being observant; the yarmulke all the time, prayers every morning, I think prayers before every meal, being strictly kosher, and going to Chabad all the time. He was a stand-up comedian and he had two different routines. He had the routines he did for military audiences because he was a lieutenant colonel in the Marines. So he could go do a show for a bunch of Marines or he could do his Jewish show at a Chabad and he did both of these like all over the world. So, half my family became more religious.
Jacobsen: How do you think your own view of things has evolved since you were younger?
Rosner: I think my evolution is similar to a lot of people’s where you hope that religion is true, in that you want the goodies, and the immortality is what I really wanted. I think that’s what everybody wants which is forever in paradise. Then as you learn more and more about the world, your belief that that’s a possibility grows less and less. You see what science can do in terms of explaining things and you talk about the God of the gaps which is that mysticism in religion occupies smaller and smaller gaps in knowledge. That’s the case for me personally where there doesn’t seem to be a lot of room for straight up religion-based immortality though I can see the possibility of technologically mediated extended life or resurrection but again that’s a long long shot.
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[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: Alright, so you just asked me what I think Socrates or Voltaire would think if they suddenly found themselves in a very religious era, for example, in the year 800 AD in Europe, when the Catholic Church ran civilization to a certain extent. The cultural life, the passing on of non everyday knowledge to the extent that was still going on, it was going on via the church.
Socrates, I think would be annoyed, if he knew the whole history. When did Socrates live or his years?
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I think it was about 2500 years ago because I know Plato was 2500 years ago. He died 399 BC.
Rosner: Alright, so he would have been heartened by the rise of the of civilization via the Roman Empire except the Roman Empire was a mess in a lot of ways; it was corrupt and decadent, but they did a lot of stuff and they probably pushed knowledge forward some. If you were in Rome and if you weren’t a slave, life was pretty sweet in the Roman Empire but most people were not there and so life was pretty grubby. So, going from the year zero under the Roman Empire to the year 800 under the Catholic Church probably meant for most people life was roughly equally grubby I guess or maybe not because if you were like a stonemason on a huge Cathedral project, then life was maybe pretty sweet. I assume Socrates would have been cheerleading intellectual advancement and also cynical and disgusted with the lack of progress perhaps.
Voltaire would certainly have been pissed off to find himself 900 years further into the past living in what to him would have been a very unenlightened age. I think an equally interesting question is what they would think if they woke up now and were competently briefed. I think they would be pleasantly astonished by science and its products and appalled at our massive wars in the last century and how we are still teetering on the precipice of fascism once fascism was explained to them and destruction and now perhaps having to contend with disruptive constructed entities in the near future. I think for the most part they’d be kind of delighted and would also feel that maybe their intuitions were vindicated that even in this enlightened era, that we’re still huge assholes.
I’m assuming that all the great thinkers of history were pretty cynical that even if they espoused cheerful points of view they were smart enough to see the flawed packages that people are, that you might get some good shit but there’s a lot of venality.
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/05/09
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Is Covid over? Please tell me.
Rick Rosner: No, people are thinking and pretending it’s over because we are now three years and two or three months in. People are sick of it and nobody’s reporting results anymore. Testing is way down. Carol, my wife, works at a school and they still get a lot of cases and some of them are still severe. It’s not like Covid has become milder. Maybe the average case of Covid is milder because more people have either been vaccinated or have previously had it but that’s not necessarily true either because only 17% of people could get the booster of [00:59] the booster in America. LA went from reporting daily results to weekly results and the weekly results are not terrible. For a while, LA County population 10 million was averaging 3,000 new cases a week. The last couple weeks they’ve been down to 2800 and then to 2500 and change which is like 370 new cases a day on average which is not terrible except that testing is way down. So you can’t trust the numbers. The only numbers that I trust are wastewater statistics.
Jacobsen: Why?
Rosner: Because that is an aggregate of all the pee and poo of everybody within a sewage shed, an area that sends all its sewage to a plant like Hyperion in Los Angeles. So nobody is getting tested, it’s just that they’re sampling horrible sewage water to see how much Covid is in it and they’ve been developing this system in California and across the country for probably a year and a half and Covid is down-ish. It’s down as low as it was in October but not down as low as it was roughly a year ago. In a lot of sewer sheds or whatever you call them, measurable Covid levels were almost nil a year ago during the lull of the time. Now they’re down there and they’re staying down but they’re still much higher than a year ago even though the reported numbers which are as I’ve said crappy, say Covid is way down. So I tend to trust the sewage numbers but I’m hoping that they were just bad at reading sewage a year ago and they were getting readings of zero when it was maybe higher than that. So I can hope that we’re getting down to our lowest possible levels but I don’t think that’s the case. I think there’s still a healthy amount of Covid out there.
I feel like a schmuck wearing a mask every place but I still do. I’m forgetting my mask more when I go out with Carol and then she has to give me one of her emergency masks. So that to me is either a sign of hopefulness or stupidity on my part. The head of the CDC, Rochelle Paula Walensky, just resigned. She was kind of loathed by people on all sides for being ineffective on Covid though there’s no way for her to win because the two sides; the crazy side and the evidence side are in complete disagreement and the people in the middle are like let’s go back to normal already and quit bugging us. So, whoever will be the head of the CDC will probably be just as loathed as she was.
New studies are coming out about long Covid because we’ve only had it for three years. That’s the longest you can have Covid, so it makes it hard to study long Covid but it seems to be that the damage from getting Covid over and over can be cumulative. You can be fucking yourself a little more each time you get a new case of Covid. So the people who say “It’s just like a bad cold, I felt bad for two days,” well, if you’re on your fourth or fifth round of Covid, you might be doing a lot of damage to yourself. So that’s where we stand. Covid going from pandemic to endemic; just this low level continuing to bubble on and continuing to make people sick but at a low enough level that people who want to stick their heads up their ass and pretend everything is fairly normal.
I’m hoping that as summer comes and there have often been lulls during the summer because people are outside more and in school less and so they have less opportunity to spread it and I’m hoping that in June there will be low enough levels. People being outside will lead to a durable drop, a drop that’s hard for Covid to bounce back from. And so that maybe the endemic level will go from one person in 3,000 in LA county having it to one person in five or 6,000 having it and even when it peaks again it maybe triples up to one person in 2000 and it can’t sustain it but that’s optimistic.
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/05/08
[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: Last time we were talking about AI and I just wanted to boil what we were saying down to its essentials which is that AI seems to be able to do a rough approximation of in task information processing at a level that is either comparable to human or enough in the neighborhood of that you could imagine that within a single task; like language communication or generating art. And the AI seems to be capable of doing things on an apparently human level. And then when you look at the entirety of what might be necessary for consciousness which might include different kinds of information; sensory input, memory, judgment connected to feelings about what the conscious being is experiencing. At this point given what AI has been able to do even if it is characterized as sophisticated fill in the blank or auto fill, it seems to be able to do that to a degree which indicates that the other levels of integrating information don’t seem insurmountable or mysterious.
I’ve said over and over that AI seems to be or will be competent at in task information processing; single task stuff. Then you can reasonably assume that consciousness consists of that plus another few layers of the integration of information but none of those further layers seem sufficiently magical or inscrutable that some version of super powerful in that it involves a zillion servers and just burns up a ton of electricity doing calculations or the AI version of calculations. But none of it seems insurmountable that the first conscious AI setups may take an incredible amount of hardware and power and may run slowly compared to human consciousness or maybe in other ways hampered compared to human consciousness. None of this seems undoable. Do you agree?
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Yeah. I mean I think that one big assumption in a lot of the AI conversations is sort of a magical spell; the idea of this extra human stuff that makes us conscious. It seems to be a matter of the style of processing, the degree of integration, the suppleness of what we deem human consciousness for most people instead of catastrophic things or very advanced age. So I think I don’t believe in a magical substance that makes something conscious. I believe it’s a matter of degree and style; the tone of the consciousness. In a more poetic term you could put it that way.
Rosner: Yeah, the fleshiness of it, the desire for human contact that goes into the appreciation for beauty though. I mean there’s a human flavor to consciousness because the consciousness we’re most familiar with is human with all its built-in preferences and biases.
Jacobsen: Yes.
Rosner: Another thing is that until recently we haven’t had the right information to get closer to being right about what consciousness is. For thousands of years, we didn’t have great stuff to work from. So for thousands of years we’ve been wrong about what consciousness is often usually which has given people, I think, a false impression that consciousness is more mysterious and harder to figure out than it actually is.
Jacobsen: I don’t even think there’s a distinction between a hard and a soft problem or easy problem of consciousness. I think it’s a matter of engineering. I think this is something that evolution builds with environmental pressures and I think in those naturalistic terms something about architecture that’s dynamic over time. That’s a very generic way of saying but it’s really the style of the information process that matters and we’re going to be talking about it. In my terms, it’s sort of computation with human emphasis.
Rosner: Yeah, like when people imagine AI consciousness, they imagine this kind of dry, emotionless, cruelly calculating consciousness.
Jacobsen: HAL 9000.
Rosner: Yeah.
Jacobsen: Take the Jeopardy bot; it doesn’t have valence to say ‘I want this or this’ is ‘this is more salient to whatever drives’.
Rosner: Yeah, Watson the Jeopardy bot. Is it 10 years old now or more?
Jacobsen: Probably.
Rosner: Yeah and that thing is like super primitive now I think compared to what you’re getting now in terms of a facility of information retrieval.
Jacobsen: Yeah. I mean there is an argument to be made that you need emotions to sort of limit and direct the information processing and also to close the gap just so you don’t have un-ending processing about something, just to say, ‘okay this is enough. Go do that’.
Rosner: Yeah. Well, certainly you need emotions for whatever consciousness you have to feel like human consciousness. If you look at judge as emotions more abstractly, as you just did, as kind of resource managers that the artificially conscious entity has objectives and will evaluate the data it’s receiving in light of those objectives. And then you can say well the emotions are, how it feels about the information it’s getting, which is what we do. Like, if you’re out on a date and you see things that make you indicate that the girl might be horny for you, you feel good about that. You’ve got an artificial consciousness that has been taught to have objectives related to maximizing something, say money via trading on the stock market or its own security via its ability to make money on the stock market. It’s not an insurmountable problem to have the freaking artificial consciousness feel good and bad about how it’s doing trading on the stock market.
Last week you mentioned this Turing quote from probably the late 40s or early 50s, where he said something like it’s impossible to think that computational entities by conversing with each other won’t eventually be able to do any human task as well as humans, right? There’s that quote?
Jacobsen: Yeah and he said he will outstrip our feeble powers.
Rosner: Yeah, so he was anticipating the rise of AI when computers couldn’t even do as much as the 4 function calculator of 1974. They couldn’t do jack shit.
Jacobsen: He died in 1957 maybe.
Rosner: I think you said 1954. At that time calculators were glorified adding machines. Anyway, we’re now at the very beginning of AI that manifests something close to actual intelligence.
Jacobsen: Yeah and everyone or most people seem to be afraid of artificial intelligence. A lot of leading lights and people with the money and research and teams to lead this charge and have been, are warning about it and are scared about it like “Oh my God, what are we going to do?” Pump the brakes; take a sick month breather…
Rosner: There’s been a lot of that and then there’s been a lot of people saying that we were never able to put any fucking genies back in any fucking bottles and certainly this one’s so far out of the fucking bottle. Some of the AIs that have been freaking people out like Chat GPT cost some huge amount like 50 million bucks or something to fill with information. There’s a word for it but basically to educate or to train. It costs a lot of money to pump it full of information in a way that it can work its AI on it; a lot of money and a lot of electricity. But then, a few days ago I started working with Chat Bots that only cost like 300 bucks to train somehow. Those things are delivering results that aren’t appreciably shittier than the 50 million dollar AI chat bot. So yeah, the genie is out of the fucking bottle.
Jacobsen: I’m not scared in the least. I mean my argument would be in line with Alan Turing and would be even stronger than anyone; or not necessarily anyone but a lot of the people that are here saying no we can’t stop it. I’m taking a different approach and saying this is a good thing and we should encourage it. We should encourage the advancement of artificial intelligence because we live in a knowledge and information era. In other words, we need them.
Rosner: Okay. I was working on a tweet that I haven’t reached a point of sending yet that is like you can freak out or you can go with it and hope and trust that a world with these AIs will still have room for you in it which might be Pollyanna-ish but I think it raises other questions. I mean AIs have objectives now. They’re trained to maximize certain things to be good at go, to be good at games, to be good at verbal communication but they’re not conscious. So they’re not conscious of their objectives of whether they are or whether they’re not. I mean we’re entering an era in which you have these entities whether or not they’re conscious that will have objectives whether they originate them themselves or whether they’re trained to have them and in most cases they’ll be trained but the question then is how do you go from this world we live in now to whatever world we’re going to end up in.
Right now humans have all the money. We make all the decisions, we own everything; anything that’s owned in the world is owned by a human or a human created body like a corporation. And so what gets owned in the future when things that will want to own things themselves, what will they want to own? Question one is will artificial entities want to own stuff. And I would say yeah. And then you’ve got to ask what they will want to own. There’d be a whole range of shit depending on what they’ve been trained to want and what they train themselves to want.
Humans have had little control over what we want because as you said we’re the products of evolution that has stacked the deck as far as our desires. We haven’t had much free will in terms of what we want; we want to fuck, we want to survive, we want resources, we want to see beautiful entertaining things because those things are related to our other evolved objectives. Everything we want is because we evolve to want them or we’ve hijacked and perverted what we want, like there are some guys who like to fuck cars or there are furries who like to fuck other people in animal costumes.
It’s not like we’ve taken over our own desires and re-engineered them. We have kinks; we’ve taken our basic horniness and just like tweaked it a little bit and not very willfully, it’s just where you ended up. From where you’re jerking off journey takes you, it’s not that you’re reprogramming yourself intentionally. It’s just that you keep wanting the jizz and what makes you want to jizz is weird for some people. We’re still Evolution’s bitch. There will be some of that with artificial entities but they will possibly or we will as we become integrated with some of them, have the ability to re-jigger our objectives. It’s not unreasonable to think that artificial entities will want to maximize their resources; that they’ll want to survive.
Now it you can train AIs or will be able to train AIs to not have indefinite survival as one of their objectives. They’d be task oriented and we could figure out how to engineer out the design, like they’d be like fucking salmon; they swim upstream, they lay their eggs or whatever salmons do and then they die because that’s their whole deal. But I would think that it would be fairly natural for artificial entities self-determine that they want to survive and that they want to maximize their resources in order to survive. They want to get rich because wealth gives them safety and potential for continued survival. I suspect within that, that one of the objectives of artificial entities would be to maximize information processing power. The thing that’s not talked about as much as some of the other aspects of AI is how much electricity, how much energy it takes to do whatever it is that they’re doing; the computation, the information processor doing. So, I assume that in a totally computational future that a currency, a money will be computational power and resources. Any comments?
Jacobsen: I think our categories of thought, probably that started with Aristotle, around thought and feeling and instinct or intuition will have to change when we start deconstructing the human mind. And I think those will then give us insight into how sort of other intelligences, I won’t call them artificial, or constructed or synthetic will more closely match human character. I think these are really old concepts. For instance, people use the terms emotion and feeling for the same thing often. And instinct and drive or they confuse sort of experiential bit and physiological based intuition, divine inspiration or the latter; it doesn’t really exist in my opinion.
Rosner: I’ve read one book and I’m reading another about how what we think of as inbuilt natural emotions are cultural constructs. I mean it’s easy to argue that for things like love that love might mean different things across different cultures and something like schadenfreude. If it has like a bunch of syllables it’s probably like a culturally constructed emotion but these books argue that almost every emotion that we have physical reactions but that almost anything that we see as a basic emotion is something that’s developed by rubbing against a culture. Intuitively we feel like that we have an inbuilt rainbow of basic emotions and these brain scientists and sociologists have been finding out otherwise but I think on the one extreme you’ve got the Aristotelian categories of thoughts and feelings and I think on the other extreme is the idea that it’s all the same shit. It’s all just input; feelings are input from the emotional parts of your brain and thoughts and memories and all of it are just sets of pulses that develop networks of dendrites.
The more we learn the more we’ll be able to shift back and forth. It’s all the same shit, it’s just the shit of thinking within feedback systems and the old categories of thought and it’ll be similar to shifting back and forth between physics and chemistry.
Jacobsen: It’s probably the way the feedback that distinguishes emotions from straight thought. Because when people take like these horse tranquilizer or something or some of these very heavy psychedelics, like their body just decouples and they report experiences of just being pure thought and the dorsal prefrontal cortex is the last part of the brain developed as the newest evolutionary and it’s the most important part of self-judgment thinking or thought. And so, if that is so, then that is just a very advanced part of the brain that takes a long time to develop and it’s functioning and it can listen to independent way without emotion; just thought upon thought upon thought, recursion, recursion, recursion but I think things like emotion and instincts and drives and the needs physiologically, they’re kind of networked and then they feed back up into that and then they come to consciousness and then we put words and labels on them. And so, I could very easily see that people have got this kind of hypothetical but the speculation they have diets and environments that breed a different internal sort of culture of organisms around and in them that changes what hormones and sort of neurotransmitter are produced and the ratio of them throughout their whole development cycle.
And so that can change the way that not just how we say okay you’re a different culture, you have a different language and the labels; not only a different structure of language for things but different label for things but different feelings and drives towards and about things.
Rosner: Like pain for instance, is networked into you in a way that feels quite different from other inputs that pain leads to reflexive actions, pain is hard to fight. If somebody’s like pressing a razor blade down into your finger it’s hard to just keep your finger there, you become very focused on the razor blade. There’s less introspection going on unless if somebody’s razor blad-ing you every day then maybe you get used to it and you become better able to think while you’re being razor-bladed. Athletes talk about the loss of self when they’re really in some kind of athletic groove which is really the loss of self-talk, the loss of the internal narrative you’re so focused on the sport that’s happening around you that you are distracted from talking to yourself which some people experience as a transcendent state.
I mean all this stuff happens based on how things are networked into orconnected to the rest of the network; both conscious and subconscious.
Jacobsen: Well, think about these Christian monks who would self flagellate with whips. It hurts but there was another part of the brain wired up to sort of take that input and feed it into that let’s call it transcendentalist pleasure because they think they’re doing God’s work.
Rosner: They’re tricking they’re networking into functioning… they’re redoing their networks. I don’t want to say they’re short-circuiting them but they’re like figuring out how to change pathways or exploit but it’s still fucking around with the overall network of inputs. So, at base everything is physics but you can ignore physics and do chemistry when it suits your purposes and it’s a pain in the ass to take everything back to Quantum Mechanics when you’re just mixing shit in a lab or when you want to do biology, you don’t need to necessarily need to take it down to subatomic particles for every fucking thing that happens in biology or sociology. So, at base everything is inputs and networks but in practical terms you need to talk about what a pain network might look like, what a fear network might look like, what the effect of horniness on your perceptions and behavior network might look like. So, not everything has to be taken down to individual little net nodes of neurons that are educating each other. Is that reasonable?
Jacobsen: Yes.
Rosner: Okay.
Jacobsen: Let’s call it a wrap today.
Rosner: Okay. Thank you for all the talking.
[Recording End]
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/05/05
[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: Well, it started with me reading a tweet that said that cheap AIs can be almost as good as expensive AIs. Apparently for language model AIs you can spend millions of dollars pumping them full of information and get a chat bot who’s pretty good at chatting but this tweet said there’s some chat bots that have been trained, for a few hundred bucks, that do a pretty good job of chatting. So I went to one of them and I had a 3000 word back and forth with this thing and it seemed pretty good. It was kind of repetitive, I mean I was asking it about itself basically like ‘are there any questions that you prefer getting because they help you improve your skills faster’ and the AI writes back ‘since I’m just a machine I don’t have preferences. And I go, “How about a 100 years from now; do you think AIs will be sophisticated enough to have preferences?” And the AI’s like “A lot can happen in a hundred years.”
Then it gave me like some standard boilerplate vs about stuff that we’ve talked about that the whole thing will have to be approached ethically, that everything’s going to be disrupted and that optimally all this stuff will be handled with fairness to everybody involved. I write back but looking historically, that’s not how it goes. Humans don’t develop new ethical understandings and systems until there’s already been a lot of suffering and the AI writes back ‘quite reasonably, there are certain risks.’ The responses were well phrased but also kind of repetitive and sounded a little bit canned as if a bunch of people had already been asking these chat bot similar things. So it had moved to this kind of boiler plate-y set of responses. It began almost every response with “as an AI language model.” It seemed to be trying very hard to make sure that people didn’t get the wrong idea about its capabilities, that people don’t anthropomorphize it. And this was a cheap one. Do you have to pay to chat to the more expensive ones?
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Yes, the ChatGPT Plus takes money.
Rosner: How much is it?
Jacobsen: I don’t recall how much but not much.
Rosner: I might use it to try cheating a little bit with my writing to see if it generates anything that I can tweak into something usable because I tried a couple prompts to see if I could generate usable writing that I could use and it just gave me more kind of boiler plate-y bullshit. I asked it what it thinks about humans dating animals and what are some reasons why that would be a bad idea or why would that be a good idea and it gave me some boilerplate bullshit about how it can’t you know help me make personal decisions. Anyway, what’s clear is that, and tell me if you agree or not, is that these AI models can handle… if they can’t do it now, it’s certainly within the reasonable horizon, that they can handle in task expertise at a close to human level. If you’re looking for verbal interaction a chat bot is able to have human level syntax and fluidity knowledge which is in line with what you can expect from most people. Most of the time you’re not talking to an award-winning poet, so you’re not going to get a high level of creativity, you’re going to get somebody telling you what they know or their opinions which are not exceptional . It’s just kind of the opinions that they have selected from the universe of common opinions that they agree with, right?
Jacobsen: Yes, generally I think computers are going to quickly match human competencies with things that can be made binary and then obviously surpass them.
Rosner: So within a specific task like conversing or generating written work or generating art, they’re able to do that but that obviously doesn’t mean they’re conscious but it’s huge on a micro level. And I think once you start looking at cross node integration obviously you want a real time sensory input. I mean that’s one aspect of human consciousness; a thing could have slow consciousness based on not being able to get enough… needing a lot of buffering because it can’t absorb real world information as fast as we do but I don’t think that’s a huge technical hurdle. Maybe it is, there are probably issues with it but I mean the main hurdle between single task expertise in AI and human consciousness is integrating the various expert nodes, right?
Jacobsen: There’s one assumption which is substrate independence. Well, three things; substrate Independence, embodied Independence, and the style of processing. So one, do you need a carbon-based evolved brain to produce consciousness? Two, doesn’t have to be in a body that’s integrated with it very well and three, our style of processing; do you need that to make consciousness or can you get at it from different angles so the input’s the same hypothetically, the processing is different but the output’s the same.
Rosner: So in our talks we’ve come to a couple conclusions. One is that consciousness is advantageous or an information processing system dealing with a lot of novelty, right?
Jacobsen: Yes. It’s sort of like having a quick purview on pertinent information then making a conscious choice. It’s almost like automated processing is picking a single thing out of a network and consciousness is really deliberating a field of choices than picking those. It’s kind of different.
Rosner: Yeah, the field of choice is informed by expertise from a number of different expert nodes. Every part of the brain chimes in including memory and it’s a big associational net that you’re trawling with to pull in all the information that may be pertinent. So thing one is that consciousness is advantageous. Thing two is that consciousness isn’t a tough thing to create given that mammals are conscious and there are other beings that are conscious. Just about any sufficiently smart organism is also conscious because consciousness is advantageous and it’s easily developed given the right stuff with that stuff to be specified. Given enough brain stuff a species is going to evolve towards consciousness because it’s helpful, it’s super helpful and it’s not super expensive. It’s kind of expensive but it’s worth it.
So given that, it’s quite reasonable to think that doing all the reasonable things you think you would need to do to develop machine consciousness, if you do those things you’re going to get something that’s conscious with those things being huge associative net among various expert nodes plus memory. I asked the cheap ass AI about feelings and judgment and it’s like I’m an AI and I don’t have feelings. I’m like “Yeah but don’t you think eventually that we’ll be able to figure out how feelings work in humans and replicate those systems in AIs?” And the AI kind of bullshitted about couldn’t be pinned down. It had a kind of canned response to that, that there’s going to be lots of different things happening in the future. I feel like if I talk to a more sophisticated chat bot I might get answers that are slightly less canned.
I haven’t previously done extensive talking to chat bots but it’s clear to me and I think to you that the micro level, the specific tasks, AI will be able to handle that shit at a human level if not now, then within a few years, right? I mean there is the creativity angle like when you’re doing AI art, the creativity is still coming largely from the human, the prompts from the human and then the AI is just skating through its library. I don’t know, maybe it’s not so clear. I mean a lot of human creativity is going to your own library of possible approaches to things and then picking out the one that catches your fancy and certainly AI can do that too um.
What’s going on with self-prompting? Like all the art that you get from AI, most of the art, at least all the good art that I know of is a human typing prompts at the AI but there’s nothing to stop an AI from looking at a library of a billion different prompts and assembling its own likely prompts based on what it’s learned about prompts, right?
Jacobsen: So when we talk about connecting nodes, we have very good example. We have text textual analysis or linguistic algorithms tied to visual algorithms, photorealistic algorithms. And so that you could say those are two sophisticated programs. You get them in one system that in a way is what we’re talking about with the human mind.
Rosner: Yeah but that system’s still not conscious, it still doesn’t understand anything that it’s working with.
Jacobsen: It’s on the way though, it’s not fully integrated like it’s not turning visual information into a text for itself into ‘okay this is a picture of my mind that I’m going to draw.’
Rosner: I suspect that you get something that’s very close to consciousness depending on the number and variety of nodes that understand each other.
Jacobsen: Yeah, so it’s almost like there’s the algorithm itself, there’s recursion within itself for self-understanding and then there’s a system of co-communication between those two nodes themselves and that’s a very sophisticated model but if that ramped up beyond kind of simple language encapsulation but it could be done. Why not? They’re all engineering problems. Consciousness is a natural phenomenon and it has been evolved. So it was engineered by an environment, a dumb environment over a long period of time. A smart engineer team over a shorter amount of time should be able to do it.
Rosner: I’m guessing in a brute force way. There’s not a magical like hidden principle of consciousness. Magical is the wrong word but there’s not something hidden or non-intuitive about consciousness that needs to be learned before you can start building consciousness. I think if you take the elements of human consciousness, the ones we’ve talked about for years, and try to engineer them in; that will likely be sufficient to get a machine consciousness. What do you think?
Jacobsen: Yeah. I mean just these language production models, they aren’t producing language the way we do but it’s a way to get the same kind of output.
Rosner: There’s another thing that’s going on. I think that the thousands of years of people getting consciousness wrong has convinced people just on an intuitive level that consciousness is hard conceptually and also as an engineering problem and probably harder than it actually is. What do you think?
Jacobsen: Yeah, I mean also a lot of more typically fundamentalists’ religious outlooks try to centralize a human specialness and I think consciousness is one of those last frontiers. I mean we aren’t special in most ways and the degrees to which we are special on a spectrum however you want to analyze it; language, level of integration processing, physical strength, dominance of the planet, reproductive cycle… however you want to do it, there’s a spectrum for all those things and for most of them we’re not really outstanding at all. And I think that is an argument for decentralization of human beings and I mean if you want to make it grandiose again I think that decentralization human is just a general process of looking at things more objectively. We aren’t central and the universe was not made for us.
Rosner: Yes, speaking of not being special, this is on a totally different subject except that it’s just a personal thing. I quit benching with free weights for a very long time just because I figured I could maintain my strength well enough without needing to fuck around with weights on a bar but recently I’ve started using free weights again and at my strongest and with terrible form and with trampolining the bar off my chest dangerously, I could bench press about 1.77 times my body weight.
Jacobsen: Nice.
Rosner: Yeah not now going back to it I’m at 1.02 times my body weight which is very disheartening. I’ve lost a lot of weight and being skinny like just bone and skin is not good for bench pressing. Anyway, I’m feeling very not special.
[Recording End]
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/05/04
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: You had, not only had, but have a very interesting life history. There’s one thing in there that I had question marks about and I really don’t know the answer to. Off tape I phrased it wrongly that I thought you had studied or memorized The World Almanac.
Rick Rosner: No. So, I made it on to Who Wants to Be a Millionaire and I made it into the hot seat and I think I made it up to the eight thousand dollar question but then ran out of time. And then there was a holiday or a hiatus. Normally on a quiz show if you run out of time you come back in the next episode. It maybe even filmed that same but it was maybe the Fourth of July holiday where it was going to be two weeks before I finished my time in the hot seat and in that two weeks we were going to, I think Disney World, and I took an Almanac with me just to continue trying to amass trivia for the next set of questions I was going to get, to see whether I could make it up to the high value questions, which having watched every episode of the show I thought I had a pretty good chance at.
I couldn’t carry an Almanac with me through Disneyland. So I tore the almanac into five parts and I’d take a little part with me when we went out with my wife and myself and our kid to just have something to look at for any pertinent information while we were standing in line. And I got back on the show and at 16,000 dollars I got a shitty question; what capital city is located at the highest altitude above sea level and there were several problems with the questions written for millionaire. One is the problem with questions written for any quiz show which is you can always make a mistake. And the fact checking process where you write a question you provide your source for the answer and then you send it to the fact checking department and they double triple check your answer. It should be a good question in terms of being well phrased and having a single answer and being factually correct and so they’ve the fact checking department. Somebody’s in charge of picking what questions would be good to ask on a show and that’s somewhat separate from the fact checking which is making sure that there are no problems with the question but even given that, bad questions sneak through.
If a bad question sneaks onto Jeopardy, it doesn’t necessarily destroy the whole game. Somebody answers and Trebek or now Ken Jennings or whoever’s the host, says right or wrong and maybe the person on Jeopardy who knows shit ton will say that’s wrong and then at break, the person says instead of that’s wrong I think you’re wrong or somebody else. Somehow somebody fig during the making of that episode comes back from break and say “We took another look at that question over the break and Lindsay was right and so we’re giving her credit for getting it right,” and they adjust it and they move on.
Or the question is caught later either before or after broadcast but a bad question on Jeopardy is one of 60 Questions, 61 if they make it through every single question and doesn’t necessarily affect the outcome of the game. Jeopardy’s pretty competent; they’ve been in the Jeopardy business for 40 years. A game of Jeopardy can survive a bad question but if you get a bad question on Millionaire, it’s just you answering a series of questions and if you get a question that’s fucked up and you’re not lucky enough to guess the correct wrong answer; the answer they think is correct, then you’re knocked out of the game and your time on the game is wrecked. So that’s problem one is just due to the structure of the game. It’s less forgiving of mistakes made by the show.
Thing two is, Regis Philbin was host at the time I was on and he had a show out of New York, so they did millionaire out of New York and all the experienced game show quiz show writers and fact checkers were in LA. So they had to hire a bunch of rookies and that meant they might make more mistakes and they did. They made a shit ton of mistakes and the question that knocked me off the show, they got their facts wrong. Coincidentally, the bad information in the question was taken from a very bad little list of about 30 world cities purported altitudes in the World Almanac; little thing that occupied the bottom one vertical inch of a page, a little teeny list. I happen to not have seen when I was studying the Almanac because that page was very close to the end of the chunk of Almanac as I torn it apart.
An Almanac is about a 1000 pages and I had 200 page chunks so I could keep in my pocket one at a time while we went on rides. Say, a chunk of Almanac ended at page 420. Well that stupid list was maybe on page 416 and I just didn’t get to it. Had I gotten to it maybe I would have remembered the bad information on the bad list which didn’t contain the actual city that they were looking for which is La Paz Bolivia and I didn’t know the correct answer and Millionaire didn’t know the correct answer and I eventually sued him because you shouldn’t be able to get away with asking a multiple choice question without the correct answer to that question among the choices. I lost my suit because I’d signed a release pretty much giving him permission to do whatever the fuck they wanted. The judge I got didn’t consider that a contract, I think they call it a contract of adhesion, which is a fancy term and probably the wrong term, it’s been a while, that happened back 20 years ago. Contract of adhesion is a contract that’s inherently unfair. You can’t force somebody to sign a completely unfair contract.
You can’t sign force somebody to sign a contract that says if I fail to make three loan payments, you can cut off my toes or I don’t know what else, but it’s just an obviously unfair contract where the person is compelled to sign it by a power differential. There’s no negotiating a contract to be on a quiz show. You either agree to everything that they want you to sign or you’re not going to be on the show. You have no power and you want to be on the show because you have a chance to win a million dollars. So I think that’s the deal with contractive adhesion; if one party has all the power and the other party doesn’t have any power to negotiate away obviously unfair aspects of the contract, that’s not supposed to be allowed under the law but the judge didn’t see it that way.
[Recording End]
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/05/03
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Addendum to last session. Go ahead.
Rick Rosner: One last thing is how crazy that a fucking whole industry and everybody in the fucking country now and North America, the whole fucking world is now talking about the shit we’ve been talking about for fucking forever and how fast it fucking happened.
[Recording End]
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/05/03
[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: Today’s May 2nd 2023, the writers’ strike; the first one in 15 years. Started at midnight and the first big issue is streaming where 15 years ago, 2007-2008, streaming was just getting going and streaming was basically three minute little productions on YouTube or trailers for stuff running elsewhere on YouTube. There was no place to stream shows as Netflix was brand new. Back then they sent you DVDs in the mail and you watched them and you sent them back. Now streaming is huge and a lot of people watch almost no non-streaming networks and get all their entertainment off of streaming but the shitty pay that was agreed upon 15 years ago is still in effect. So, that’s a big issue that if you do a show on streaming you should get paid as much as if the show was on a broadcast network or within shouting distance.
Another issue is the producers want to pay people a day rate which is we can hire you for a day and that’s terrible, that’s never been the case before. The shortest period for which you could contract a writer was like a week and even that was not really much of a thing. Generally six weeks was the minimum and often deals were for 13 weeks. So a day rate is a real fuck you to writers but the issue that’s the most interesting is writers are striking for a prohibition of the use of AI to write which is crazy because I don’t think even a year ago, maybe even six months ago that would have been a worrisome issue. Now if you go on Twitter, 95% of everybody tweeting, more than that, are supporting the writers and the people who are just being edgelord dickheads who are like, “Look out you fucking writers, you’re going to be replaced by AI and your writing sucks and AI could do a better job than you can anyhow.”
So, it’s a thing and it echoes an issue from almost a hundred years ago though I don’t know when it was negotiated, well, 90 years ago, of recorded music versus orchestras for movies. People were arguing, I guess the Musician Guilds were arguing… I guess it was probably more in the 50s; I haven’t researched it. But that you can’t just use pre-recorded tracks; you have to score a movie, you need to have pay live musicians and the thinking is; A) you shouldn’t fuck over musicians and B) if you do fuck over musicians or in this case writers, then if you drive a class of talent out of the business then when you really need that talent they’ve gone elsewhere or just dwindled. So, when you talk about AI in screenwriting, people are thinking that you could probably… I just saw it on MSNBC 10 minutes ago talking about how you could probably use, you maybe wouldn’t want to use it for dialogue though there’s plenty of dialogue that’s so cliché and predictable that you probably could use it for big chunks of dialogue but if you don’t use it for that you could at least use it to write an elevator pitch.
Go to ChatGPT and say give me 200 words on a movie about a robot detective in the future and then you add details from the thing you’re working on and you get 200 passable words that make a semi-convincing pitch you can work from. Also, you could probably go to GPT and say I’m working on a screenplay about a robot detective in the year 2120 and what are some cases the robot could work on and ChatGPT could maybe come up with dozens and dozens of scenarios; some of them stupid and some of them usable. I don’t know exactly how to use ChatGPT, maybe you can turn to that at various points in your screenplay when you get stuck and say well what might happen now and again you might get 30 ideas and 28 of them would be just weird and dumb but a couple of them might trigger ideas and a couple of them might be decent. I know that there is software that already does stuff like this that that asks you questions about your screenplay “Have you thought about this? What are you writing?”
I would think that they will get some prohibitions. I haven’t thought much about it but certainly part of an agreement would be that a studio can’t use AI for rewrites or to fill in dialogue, that a studio can’t use AI any place where they would get caught using AI. They can’t buy a pitch from you for a screenplay which I think is called just a screen story where you write a plot for a movie but it’s not in the form of a screenplay, it might be 10 or 12 pages where you lay out what happens in a decent amount of detail but certainly not the amount of detail and dialogue that you have in 120 page screenplay.
Last time it went on for exactly a hundred days and I’m guessing it’ll go on and other people are guessing it goes on for at least that long because that’s how long it takes for people to get desperate to start running out of material to make but I assume when the agreements finally reached in September or October, it will have prohibitions like you can’t buy my 5000 word screen story and then turn it into a screenplay with chat GPT, you have to hire a person to expand that story into a screenplay because certainly what you could do now is you could plug that 5000 words into ChatGPT and get something resembling a screenplay and if you can’t do it now, you’re going to be able to do it a month from now.
A year from now you’ll be able to do that plug a story into it and get a screenplay out of it and maybe 20% of it would be usable as is or with just changing a couple words in a sentence where two guys giving each other shit, the ChatGPT has access to every instance of two people giving each other shit for the past hundred years if it’s been printed or broadcast. So it would be able to do that and so that will be I would hope prohibited because that’ll be devastating. The studios; they come back with a prohibition that says “Well you’re not going to let us do it, you’re not allowed to do it either. You’re not allowed. Every word in the screenplay we buy from you, better come from you and not from ChatGPT.” But that’ll be less enforceable because what you want with regard to the studios is that they have to pay somebody to do the writing but when you’re writing in the privacy of where you do your writing, you’re generating material, maybe you’re replacing yourself but if you’re cheating using ChatGPT you’re still going to be the one who gets paid not ChatGPT. So, it could end up being a two-way agreement but only enforceable on one end.
Also, the quality of decent writers will turn out their own words though it will be tempting to cheat to write a scene. I could see even a good writer wanting to know how that scene would play written by a chat bot. Anyway, there you go. It’s going to take a while to resolve it. It’s weird that we’re just 18 months into the era of being shocked that AI can produce usable stuff. And all of a sudden it’s an issue in the workplace, they’re enough to help shut down an entire industry and not just the industry where you’d expect to see robots among the most creativity reliant industries and that’s shocking.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I agree with Alan Turing. I don’t think there’s any necessary operation mentally that human beings do that the computer cannot in theory do simply for the fact that a blind environmentally guided process with evolution can produce a mind and then those minds can produce things in a similar manner. It becomes an engineering problem. It is the scientific process of discovery.
Rosner: I think what Turing anticipated to some extent and what has caused most people up until now to maybe not take it as seriously as we have to now, is the idea of programming versus learning. And that’s where the self-driving cars have underperformed in that they rely a lot on programming, coming up with rules for understanding what shit is out there, what another vehicle looks like, what everything looks like; rules to figure out how to identify stuff and how to figure out what other objects are doing in the environment. And just programming something does not incorporate enough information.
We’ve been talking for years, you and I, about Big Data. The high performing or supposedly high performing AIs of now and in the future when they perform even better are relying on running just a shit ton of data into them. If you were going to modify that Turing quote that there’s nothing that the computers can’t do that humans can do you’d want to have an addendum given that you flood them with vast amounts of information examples to build their own mental models, there’s probably a technical term for it but I don’t know that term, so I’ll just say mental models. And there’s some indication that Turing had some inkling of that in one of the quotes you said yesterday which is that the AIs can talk with each other or whatever he called them and acquired with that way.
You’re not telling AIs what to think, you’re giving AIs the wherewithal to figure out what to think like in those beer commercial and the pizza commercial, given the way they work, I guess there’s probably no way to tell AIs that people have exactly five fingers in most instances. In the beer commercial you see people with anywhere from three to eleven fingers grabbing a beer can and AI hasn’t been told the rules of physics it has to build or anything. It has to come to an understanding of it via a gazillion examples and I suppose once it starts to encroach on a rule that will lead to a compactification of its thinking around the rule. You can see in these early products that it has rough ideas of what things tend to look like but those haven’t been strengthened into rules for a lot of things; how many faces people have and how hands necessarily connect to the rest of the arms.
Also, it’s like dreams in that the AI engines, I don’t know how they do it but they can render with great detail these images that haven’t been purged of easy mistakes because they don’t have the information. I mean they have a bunch of examples, they have information in the form of a bunch of examples but that information hasn’t solidified into mental maps of rules of number of fingers. I remember when AI had trouble with teeth and earlobes and glasses. Now I think if you go to this person does not exist, the AI now understands glasses or at least doesn’t fuck up by making glasses that would fall apart because the pieces aren’t connected like you would have done two years ago.
And so eventually it’ll arrive upon five fingers on people but it’s like dreams and the images are very precise and detailed but with a lot of fucked up-ness in them the same way dreams have a lot of fucked up-ness in them because they’re built from incomplete information. Whatever information your brain is able to grab on the fly as the dream unfolds your brain’s not entirely on and it doesn’t have recourse to outside to sensory experience. It’s all pulling shit from memory and incompletely but it’s running the same processing on this incomplete shit, so your dreams have a lot of fucked up-ness and stuff that just doesn’t if you were awake enough. Sometimes you can wake yourself up but when you realize what you’re experiencing is absurd but most of the time you don’t but when you look back on what you dreamed if you can remember enough of it, there’s a lot of ridiculous shit and for the same reason just incomplete understanding based on, in the case of dreams, incomplete information.
I forgot what the original prompt was… Oh the Coda and Turing. I mean it would have been nice if he lived for another 30 years because obviously like some of the time an understanding of shit is in the Zeitgeist. Newton and Leibniz, both come up with Calculus independently but at the same time. And other people were poking at relativity at the same time Einstein was but was anybody as far along in thinking about the future of computation and artificial thought as Turing was?
Jacobsen: I think the term artificial intelligence is a misnomer. I don’t think that term fits at all. I mean take it from the big view of what you developed first and then you and I sort of talked about and developed a little bit together. If the universe is fundamentally data, then data makes the universe computable and it works because we can simulate aspects of the universe and its simulatability will imply that it’s data in some manner. And then taking it down a notch, less grandiose terms, you have a human computation which is sort of the main view of most psychology, neuroscience with computational neuroscience, for instance, and then you have the artificial intelligence which is computers which comes from the root for computation. So I think in both ways what you have really is computation in some vast kind of architecture happening in the universe but then at a lower level you have computation with human emphasis and then you have computation with whatever AI or in a more appropriate term has its emphasis.
Rosner: I agree with you and I think a lot of people agree with you because people like to say machine learning which is a little bit of a step back from intelligence. It still has some of the same problems because learning implies like a conscious being, a thinking being who’s able to learn. I mean there’s still some of the same problem but it’s not just a problem of terminology, it’s a problem of what figuring out where the differences are because probably at the micro level machine learning and little sets of neurons probably have generally similar systems. It’s probably unavoidably basic that if you want learning it’s going to be this kind of feedback loop with strengthening productive connections and lessening less productive connections. So, the micro of thinking and machine learning is roughly the same and then you have to figure out. It’s the way all the micros are connected that’s different in meet consciousness and AI. Do you agree?
Jacobsen: Yes. I mean there’s aspects of human psychology we don’t take into account what people talk about because there’s an implied assumption and a lot of conversations around the singularity, the idea or the assumption being or hidden premise being that the brain is basically in a jar.
Rosner: Did you say brain in a jar?
Jacobsen: Yes. So, I mean what I think is going on is very sophisticated people, very smart people, very credential people and those that are not making a hidden premise in a lot of the conversation. They’ll talk about human computation, they’ll do a lot of reference to the brain, a lot of reference to the central nervous system and sometimes they’ll just talk about the dorsal lateral prefrontal cortex to distinguish that part of the brain from the rest of the brain. Computers have a distinction in that their solid state, they’re in one place and outside of bludgeoning or something they’re not going to be really affected or some malfunctioning part or heat. Those are different variations of limitations for them.
For us, I think we’re going to find things that aren’t computation necessarily in the sense that we’re really thinking about better, sort of just part of the rhythms of the body that impact that computation in positive and negative ways that make the brain more adaptable in certain circumstances and that don’t in others. I mean a one example would just be age; hardening of the arteries, a reduction of oxygen capacity that impacts thinking, but I think there’s going to be other things that much more subtle like neural modulators that act as hormones physiologically to the body and then to the brain.
Rosner: Just like boner town, how being horny like fucks up your thinking.
Jacobsen: Yes. They watch the blood flow go from the dorsal lateral prefrontal cortex, your sense of thought and self and sort of hindrance of bad behavior let’s say. That blood goes to the nucleus accumbens. So you begin to more or less pleasure at the price of clarity of thought. And that matches any experience. So, there is hardware evidence in terms of the human brain to kind of back this up and actually process evidence in terms of love but I think when things get really sophisticated then we’ll really start to understand how being embodied is not just you’re in a body and there’s immediate interaction between nerve impulses from the brain and movement and in the intake of the senses to the brain to output movement. There will be other things. I mean a woman’s cycle, just having the monthly cycle. Men have their own cycles; things like declination of the rate of like testosterone probably age 25 to death.
Rosner: Yeah, my testosterone is obviously dropping. My hair’s not wanting to fall out as much so that’s less of a sure sign of that but my strength is down. I’m having harder time keeping muscle and building muscle and my dick’s noodlier. I haven’t had my testosterone measured in a long time; I still have a lot because it was high 15- 20 years ago last time it was measured. Anyway, I’m sliding away from the hyper masculinity which pisses me off by the way because I look at the old men in Congress who are trying to say that there are only two genders; the old Republican fuckers and you look at them and obviously those guys are super testosterone depleted and probably guys like Pence and Lindsey Graham probably didn’t have a high level of testosterone at any time. So those fuckers are closer to being intersex than I ever was and they’re the Arbiters of men or men and women or women, those fucking assholes.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/05/02
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I want to talk about Alan Turing’s extremism. I found one kind of extreme quote but I think it’s more or less correct. I’m saying this extreme even compared to some of the most let’s say zany or even “rational” extreme position of some futurists. So the quote is “This is only a foretaste of what is to come and only the shadow of what is going to be. We have to have some experience with the machine before we really know its capabilities. It may take years before we settle down to the new possibilities but I do not see why it should not enter any of the fields normally covered by the human intellect and eventually compete on equal terms.”
Rick Rosner: Alan Turing I think must have been born before World War I, right? He helped Britain win World War II and then he was driven to suicide in the 1950s, right?
Jacobsen: He was June 23, 1912 to June 7, 1954.
Rosner: Wow! So he was not even 42 when he died, which is crazy. And he’s saying this stuff at least 70 years ago; I mean when there was barely anything that you could call a computer. So yeah, he saw a whole landscape the entire human enterprise being disrupted before there was jack shit to do any disrupting. So it’s a shame that he was hounded because it was illegal I think to be gay in Britain at the time. He was, as far as I know, well adjustedly gay especially for the time, where he wasn’t particularly closeted except where he needed to be professionally as far as I know. Like, he’d go on vacations to Mykonos and stuff where there were a lot of like-minded dudes and he’d just have dude time. What happened was he’d been with a male hustler and the hustler ripped him off and he filed a police report and then that led to the police figuring out that it was a gay thing and there were consequences because you couldn’t be gay and working in National Security back then because you were thought to be a blackmail risk from foreign spies. The upshot of it was that he had to consent to be chemically castrated which involved I think probably taking a shit ton of estrogen and he hated what the estrogen was doing to him.
I probably got like 60% of the details wrong except that I know that eventually he just put cyanide on an apple and ate the apple and it’s a shame because this guy not only won World War II but understood the future better than anybody else at the time. That might be an exaggeration but not by much.
Jacobsen: I found another quote.
Rosner: Is this the more extreme one?
Jacobsen: I found it but I give that one as the third one. It’s from 1951. “It is customary… to offer a grain of comfort in the form of a statement that some peculiarly human characteristic could never be imitated by a machine… I cannot offer any such comfort for I believe that no such bounds can be set.”
Rosner: That’s ah freaking crazy because he’s one of the fathers of computing and huge in the realm of not just theoretical but he figured out how to crack the German Enigma coding machine. So he was tremendously practical but also super theoretical with the Turing test. He did theoretical work showing that a step by step computer is barely computer that could just flip zeros to ones based on a set of simple rules could compute anything given enough time. The pocket calculator was still 20 years away. Transistors were freaking five or seven years away. At best he was working with vacuum tubes, the integrated circuit was 20 years in the field and he’s coming to these conclusions not because he was a science fiction guy but because he was a fucking theoretical computing guy.
Jacobsen: And the quote that I came across where I’ve never seen such an extreme statement, especially from someone with such an authoritative identity in history and it goes, “It seems probable that once the machine thinking method had started, it would not take long to outstrip our feeble powers… they would be able to converse with each other to sharpen their wits. At some stage therefore we should have to expect the machines to take control”
Rosner: That’s crazy. He’s thought to come out of the early 1950s and from somebody who’s not a science fiction writer. The idea that they would sharpen their wit through by conversing is in a nutshell what AI does to sharpen its widths. It freaking gets big data and works its way through a shit ton of data which is in a way like having a billion conversations and getting pretty good at conversing via absorbing though you could still argue not really understanding a billion conversations. I mean critics of being scared of AI now are all saying it can it can simulate but it doesn’t really understand but the path will be to simulate understanding better and better until it’s the equivalent of our understanding because as we’ve talked about, our consciousness and our understanding is in essence a simulation of some true understanding that can’t exist. There’s not like some magic Cartesian fluid beyond the real world that bestows thinking with its magic that we understand via simulating understanding to a high degree.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/02/23
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So we had a talk about equestrianism off tape and you had something to talk about, let’s talk about that.
Rick Rosner: Okay. You and I have been talking for about nine years now and from the beginning we were talking about things like consciousness and at some point we started talking about AI or we’re talking about alternate non-human types of consciousness. Are you familiar with the show Succession on HBO?
Jacobsen: No, I’m not.
Rosner: All right, Succession is by Adam McKay and a bunch of other very smart talented people and it’s basically a satire of the Fox News Murdoch family. It’s the story of an aging patriarch who’s a prick, who owns a media empire and his four kids, as the kids kind of jockey for power within the organization and that’s why it’s called succession because the dad is old and somebody’s going to have to take over for him sometime. So it’s about a mainstream kind of sleazy media empire but the show itself isn’t sleazy, it’s very prestige. It’s not a soap opera like some like you’d see on the CW, I mean there’s plenty of intrigue but it’s mostly a satire of how douche-y these people are within a more or less normal big business context. Unlike a show like Empire or Power where it’s all soapy and it’s all about like scandalous fucking and all that stuff.
Anyway, last night the Roy family, the patriarch is Logan Roy and all they’re all named Roy and at a board meeting, one of the kids who’s in a strong position to take over the company tried to sell the singularity in a normal business context which I found shocking but also kind of… All the stuff we started talking about nine years ago is becoming more and more mainstream. AI is all over the place. Nobody was worried about AI when we started talking and now it’s kind of fashionable to be freaking out about AI to the point where the people who actually know something are saying “Freak out about AI but don’t freak out about this AI because this AI is just a sophisticated form of auto fill.”
Anyway, let me finish talking about Succession. So among the things this company Waystar RoyCo owns is a set of amusement parks the way Disney owns amusement parks as part of an entertainment empire. Similar to Disney, Waystar RoyCo is trying to do planned communities. Disney has, starting 20-25 years ago, started experimenting with planned communities. If you like Disney as a product then maybe you’ll like living in a Disney neighborhood where we built the houses, we planned everything, and we built everything. So Waystar RoyCo is selling a community called Living Plus; it’s for people 55 and older and it’s not just a lifestyle but also an entertainment style where if you live in our planned community you’ll get VIP access to all our entertainment products and visits from the stars of our productions because they also own a movie studio and get to see the rough cuts of things and you’re in a privileged community. The main selling point that this douche bag, Kendall Roy is selling to the board and to investors is you’ll get to live longer and maybe forever.
The show set it up that he was going to crash and burn with this obvious bullshit but he sold it and the investors bought it. He did a good job and he was selling the freaking Singularity. Nobody said the word Singularity but it’s almost like it’s a mainstream cutting edge product now which A) means we’re on the right track because the shit we’ve been talking about forever is now the shit that everybody’s kind of talking about in various ways and I forget what my point B is but there you go. Also, if we wanted to and I don’t want to, we could take a look at all the movie TV lit products that are increasingly embracing the themes that we’ve been talking about for almost a decade.
[Recording End]
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/03/31
[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: A few days ago I sent you an article on 10 things that are wrong with the current version of the Big Bang like observations that don’t match the theory because the Big Bang, in general terms, was laid out about 60 years ago or a little more maybe. Everything started from a single point and just exploded outward, space and everything but it’s been refined to account for the conditions of the universe now. It’s really hard to get the initial conditions to be such that they would create the universe we live in now. So this article listed eight problems with the Big Bang and almost all of them, maybe all of them are with the beginning of the universe. They can’t get conditions right and I haven’t read this article yet somebody sent me an article today saying that here’s a theory that says that there was the Big Bang and then a month later there was a second Big Bang but just for dark matter. So, all this stuff is a little bit ad hoc and just trying to get it to fit.
I got to say that if the beginning of the universe isn’t just the beginning of the universe. If the universe has had time before the apparent age of the universe, then I’m pretty sure you can solve most or all of these problems; issues with entropy, the distribution of matter, and the clump-iness of matter. But if the universe has had, compared to the relatively a brief apparent age of the universe, if it’s had a gazillion times that amount of time to arrange itself, then all those issues go away. That’s all I got to say pretty much. One more thing; one reason people love the Big Bang, I mean there are a lot of reasons, that it’s very conceptually simple. Even though it doesn’t explain why, at first glance it explains how. Everything exploded outward and then it clumped up and formed galaxies and stars but another slightly more sophisticated reason people love the Big Bang is that it has the universe being the same every place which is one of those principles of physics that are cherished by people who do physics. The regularity, you don’t want to make special rules for just the place you’re at. Physics is about finding general principles that account for everything and saying “It’s like this right where you’re standing but it’s different every place else,” strikes people as unhelpful and bullshit. But the Big Bang has the universe every place at the same time. You don’t see the whole universe at the same time because you’re looking further back in time the further back you look.
Assuming that every place of the universe is at the same time, it just takes a while for that stuff to catch up to us the universe is the same throughout all space. It’s built on the assumption that if you could see the whole universe instantaneously, every part of the universe would basically look the same; the same kind of galaxies and the same spatial distribution of galaxies, it would be uniform in space. There would be no point in space that’s really much different than any other point. Yeah, one point might be in a galaxy and some other point might be outside of galaxies but it’s like a pattern in the books you always see, just a bunch of dots on a balloon and the surface of the balloon is the universe and those dots are regularly spaced and people love that. But the Big Bang universe is not the same in time. There are no points in time that are the same because the universe is always expanding.
And before the Big Bang one, there were two competing theories steady-state theory and Big Bang Theory and then there were a bunch of discoveries made which confirmed Big Bang Theory knocks steady-state straight out of the water. Steady-state had the lovely things of being uniform in space and in time. Steady-state theory said that whenever you had a part of space that just got too empty, that was too far away from um other matter, then maybe new matter just popped into existence. So every place you weren’t and every place you weren’t looking, new matter came along. So as the universe expanded, the new galaxies would form to fill those empty spaces and there was no evidence of that happening. So steady-state theory lost.
Informational cosmology has the nice thing, if you’d like things being the same, it has the universe being roughly the same across time and it accounts for differences in the universe across space and time because it’s super nice to have things the same across space or across time or both. I mean it’s nice to have those things but nothing explains why that uniformity. IC explains why you’ve got uniformity where you have uniformity and why you have non-uniformity on massive scales. It gives you a structure that accounts for the massive scales what looks like uniformity up to a point across space and what is rough uniformity across time and puts everything in a structure. So, there you go, that’s all I got. Comments?
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Why are we able to translate geometry into mathematics into information to make them computable? Why is their sort of symmetry between those ways representing the universe?
Rosner: I mean the general answer is there are rules of existence and there are the rules of consistency. Things that exist cannot exist; that’s a big general principle. I mean except when they’re Quantum things and kind of be on the cusp of existence or non-existence but mega things; large existent things that definitely exist definitely exist and the contradiction is squeezed out as things come into existence. Things that are consistent and existent are generally embroiled with simple consistent systems like mathematics. For the most part, arithmetic is consistent and non-contradictory and it’s deep non-contradictory structure allows it to exist as a system that doesn’t blow up when you try to work with it and kind of means that things that exist materially embody some of those same non-contradictory structures because if they were contradictory they would blow up not like in an action movie but just in a way that they would preclude all but brief existence.
So, self-consistency and often simple self-consistent systems underlie a lot of the things that can exist. When you say simple self-consistent systems I think you can qualify it and say simple manifestations of self-consistent systems because when you look at the universe and the particles in the universe the particles that contribute most to macro systems kind of have simple ways of interacting across macro distances and macro time but then when you get into the micro world of subatomic physics, you have all these short distances, super high energies, and super short life spans of particles. And you’ve got a whole shitload of particles and interactions and it’s as if you’ve got these simple macro manifestations but somehow to preserve the non-contradictory nature of highly existent systems, you’ve got these underlying structures that I guess are kind of required by the consistency of existence that they’re complicated but maybe they’re the simplest underlying structure that permits consistent existence.
It’s the consistency that shows up all over the place, the mathematical consistency that allows for large-scale consistency. What happens at one place and at one time, informs the rest of the universe and doesn’t change depending on where you’re looking at that point in space and time from. Things within the universe have an absolute existence that’s proportional to the amount of existence in the entire universe. It’s hard to make things happen magically or magically change parts of the universe because the whole universe is woven together in a self-consistent structure. That’s kind of a requirement of existence.
Now you could argue in a simulated universe, you could have violations of everyday physics because you’ve simulated a universe, you’ve replicated consciousness for the beings that you’ve put in that universe, they think they’re living in a natural universe or maybe not and you can fuck with that universe. I mean there are principles that we live in a universe that apparently doesn’t do that argues right before, I don’t know what exactly, for the prevalence of apparently natural universes over apparently over simulated universes or you could argue that a simulated universe requires the beings who built the simulated universe who themselves are maybe more are likely to be living in a naturally occurring universe. Then you have to argue about what naturally occurring means. You have us existing as space-time and matter that we think is naturally manifested among the information structures that the universe is built out of.
Anyway, you got to define all these terms. The deal is that existence, at least natural existence, requires high degrees of self-consistency and very low levels of violations of consistency even in a simulated universe because a simulated universe implies a universe that contains the creators of that simulated universe that may itself be a natural universe. You start getting into turtles all the way down arguments like “Can you have a simulated universe within a simulated within a simulated?” or “Does it make more sense that at some point you’ve got a universe where the physical interactions play out a 100% according to the principles of quantum mechanics.
[Recording End]
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/03/27
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So, you’re going to be on a podcast tomorrow and you’re going to be talking about economics.
Rick Rosner: Yeah, even though I’m not super qualified but I know the topic is that Biden’s spending is not cheap; 1.8 trillion I think on infrastructure or I don’t know… anyway, a lot, trillions of bucks. The US has a third of a billion people. So stuff costs a lot of money. I know because I’ve read and it makes sense that US can pay for anything; just has to print money to do it. It’s not like we’re going to run out of money. We may run out of the authorization for money because Congress is full of assholes but we can always make more money. The risk of printing a lot of new money is inflation because if you suddenly double the amount of money that there is which has never been done or maybe only in cases of hyperinflation in other countries but the US has never doubled the amount of money. If you did, then you’d expect for there to be double the amount of money in people’s wallets and for the price of everything to basically double.
The Republicans are always yelling we’re going to run out of money but that’s not the risk, the risk is inflation. I mean that’s what I know and then I’m sure I’ll be corrected by people who know more tomorrow but I was thinking about the future of capitalism, communism, socialism, and all the different isms and was trying to come up with a name for the system I think we’re moving towards and I came up with ‘Illusionism’. Throughout history, humans have behaved as if they have agency, have the ability to decide what to do and have the power to act upon it and all economic systems are more or less based on that idea humans but we are moving into an era of reduced human agency because we’re no longer going to be the smartest things on the planet.
Now AI is kind of oversold as being smart right now but humans plus AI which we’re not really at yet, the plus part. We have AI, we can use it but we’re not really merged with it but we will become more intimately linked with it and the people who are more linked will be smarter and basic humans won’t be the smartest thing and that means humans will have less agency. Even though humans have less agency, the economy of the world will still for the near and mid future depend on humans doing business; buying things, making things, and being paid. Our economies will have to keep kind of looking like they did and working the way they have even as humans become less valuable and stuff becomes cheaper because the new wave of technology will continue to reduce the prices of most things. I mean we haven’t seen it now inflation throughout the world for the past couple years but on average things get cheaper because it becomes cheaper to make things.
So you got things getting cheaper, you have humans becoming less valuable but humans will still want to do human things. The economy I think will become kind of an illusion that it’ll maintain various illusions that humans are worth what you pay them to work, humans will keep getting paid, humans will keep working, what they get keep getting paid for will kind of be less valuable but they’ll still get keep getting paid as if it is valuable, things will still cost stuff but there’ll be an illusion that certain things are valuable when they’re really just super cheap crap. So it’ll be okay to pay humans so they can buy stuff but the idea that human are valuable and the shit that they’re buying is valuable will become more of an illusion. So I call it illusionism. I should talk to somebody who actually understands economics in the future so they can tell me whether I’m full of shit or not.
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Jacobsen: Where is this podcast?
Rosner: It’s streaming TV, it’s a thing called pod TV and for a while once a week I talk for an hour with a bunch of other people. Some of them are impressive. Well actually, the one impressive guy for sure is the former Comptroller General of the United States. He’s a guy who knows what he’s talking about. And then some other guys who do seem pretty knowledgeable and ladies. We talk about the state of media and when I get to do an economics hour we talk about economics and I try not to say anything too stupid and try not to talk too much when it’s something I don’t know much about.
Jacobsen: How long you’ve been doing this?
Rosner: I don’t know, months and months.
Jacobsen: Are they online now?
Rosner: I guess, I don’t know really how you access it but they’ll give me an hour if we want to do an hour a week if that’s something that you would find interesting. They claim they have hundreds of thousands of viewer. I don’t think they’re lying, I just think they’re a very tiny kind of TV, whatever it is, streaming TV deal. I don’t think they have hundreds of thousands of viewers tuning into me and these other people. I think it’s hundreds of thousands in the aggregate and I’m not sure what the aggregate is whether it’s per week, per day, or per month. If we could do a show where we talk about shit like we do, I think we’d probably have to fill an hour but I’m not sure about that because I think for the purposes of being consistently interesting, I think a half hour is plenty at least to start. Is that something you’d be interested in?
Jacobsen: I mean I could probably try it I guess. How did you find out about this?
Rosner: They emailed me a while ago and said that one guy had heard that I was smart and thought let’s have a smart guy on and so far I haven’t been kicked off. Anyway, just check out PODTV.
What do you think about illusionism?
Jacobsen: I think its part of an ongoing philosophical debate but yeah I think the general idea that we think we are in charge has been such a powerful force driving a lot of behavior… I think there’s an assumption by calling an illusionism that free will is more or less an illusion in some sense because empirically I think that’s an unknown so far.
Rosner: I’m not arguing against free will. I’m arguing against free will be harder to exercise in the future whether or not it exists. Independence from the forces around you is just going to be tough. People are going to be knocked around and manipulated. Is that reasonable?
Jacobsen: Yeah, I think the structures are going to be more rigid at that control behavior than before. I mean before it was more nature so it’s less conscious, now it’s societies and technology and electronic grids and software and that sort of funneling people in certain ways and that’s much more directed than humans just in the natural environment.
Rosner: Do you have a better term like when you think of capitalism is a crappy term; communism is a crappy term because they’re clunky. Capitalism is like five syllables.
Jacobsen: Yes, I mean you always have to add –ism.
Rosner: Yeah, that stupid -ism is just… Is there a better term for this weird kind of puppet economy of the future?
Jacobsen: String-ism?
Rosner: It feels like lubrication-ism or so, like you just got to keep it going.
Jacobsen: The way it all works. It’s just a limit on human behavior in some ways.
Rosner: We call it idiocracy because I mean the movie captured a lot of how it seems like it might be in that people continue to have their needs met even though the people are super dumb and shitty and their needs are met in super dumb and shitty ways which isn’t fair to the people of the future it’s not like people will be dumber it’s just that other stuff will be smarter.
Jacobsen: Yeah, that’s fair.
Rosner: I’m not even sure that the consumerism side of it, another –ism, will be the most important aspect of it, the way it’s been for the past century.
Jacobsen: I think we’re going to have a new form of capitalism where it’s less centered around continuous or infinite growth. We’re going to hit a cap and basically that’s going to come around like really good farmland and minerals for circuits and things like this and battery parts but it’ll be kind of like there’ll be a really increased sophistication. A decrease in the growth level of capitalism but there’ll be a lot more social safety nets. So people will be valued less relative to technology more but the fact that people live longer and healthier, artificially value their own lives more and so people become more dependent on systems. So you have this kind of a really advanced form of the Nordic models where you have sort of capitalism with a lot of breaks and then the social systems but the social systems will have the kind of medicine and stuff that’ll be so advanced that you can’t even call it Nordic, it’ll be a step beyond that.
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Rosner: So what do you think will be the forces limiting growth? People making fewer babies?
Jacobsen: People making fewer babies, just land to be used on the earth. I mean if you kind of unwrap the sphere of the earth into a flat plane it’s not a lot left to kind of take. I mean climate change is expanding the water, so the surface of the earth is actually shrinking and the number of people continues to grow, so the usable areas of land are also decreasing. We’re also using a lot more resources and so all the types of things that require land just food, places for mining, minerals that we need…
Rosner: You want human enterprise to be constrained in some ways to help fight climate change; do you see that as being one of the limiters on growth?
Jacobsen: That will be one of the limiters. There will be disinformation campaigns as there are now to try to fight for the unlimited growth kinds of capitalism but something like a sustainable-ism maybe where you have a little bit of socialism, you have a little bit of capitalism, and then you have something else with a term I don’t even know to put to it that is just this third element.
Rosner: What about people living more and more virtually towards the end of the century?
Jacobsen: Yeah, I think it’s happened since the 1990s, it just happened in front of a screen. I mean these North American kids, they’re either on Tik Tok or playing video games, or watching movies; that’s like a majority of their waking hours outside of school probably.
Rosner: What about the concentration of wealth where just people can’t afford shit because all the old people have all the fucking money?
Jacobsen: Well that’s also a fact. It just depends on whether or not authoritarianism or democracy wins out internationally. If people would prefer less uncertainty then they’ll opt for totalitarianisms of various kinds like light to strong and then if they opt more for sort of a free roaming society, where it’s more of an evolved form of like direct democracy, where people don’t need representatives because they can just use their computer rather than getting someone to go like just sitting on a horseback and buggy back in the day so you needed a representative but if you don’t need that anymore because the functional limits of distance between people and what they want people to do for them or say centralized government then you just get rid of representatives all together and then you can vote for projects as you need them. It’ll be almost like a democracy leaning a little bit more to a form of anarcho-syndicalism.
Rosner: That sounds like Corey Doctorow.
Jacobsen: Yeah, and he’s good, he’s very good as a futurist. He really knows his stuff. I’ve interviewed him and it was a great interview. So those kind of frontline fights really sort of nuanced technology, legal, and science kind of questions in battles that are fought between corporations and individuals and nations and groups are going to be those deciding factors that it’s just a small portion of people that really know a lot about that. It’s a weird fight, it’s like a shadow War happening where none of us even see it and let alone understand it because you have to be constantly updated about it.
Rosner: What’s the syndicalism part of it? Is that people forming their own alliances?
Jacobsen: Yes, basically, syndicates. Two or more people or larger groups of people basically formulating ways they want to organize on projects.
Rosner: So it’s gloppy anarchy; it’s like lava lamp anarchy where people come together to form. It’s not just every man for himself, it’s people forming groups to solve specific problems.
Jacobsen: Yeah but I still think there will be something akin to nation states although they’ll be greatly diminished with this kind of direct democracy. It’s not nostalgia but it’s sort of having a core structure. It’s almost like as if states were fluid but the United States was rigid.
Rosner: Okay and then there will still be some stuff that government might be better at doing than anarcho-syndicalism.
Jacobsen: A 100%. There are very good examples some of the places like public healthcare, the US Post system is amazing I’m told.
Rosner: It is even with a Trump appointee trying to fuck it up.
Jacobsen: Yeah it is amazing.
Rosner: I love the US Postal Service. They don’t always do right by you but they outperform your expectations.
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Jacobsen: Yeah and so I think we have a lot more internal fluidity, overall rigidity like a skeleton framework of a nation and you could call it a nation because there still will be the United Nations and so on. So you’ll have representatives in that sense but sort of a divergence of like middle management between International systems and National systems. The UN will still be functioning but I think the internal to nation things will be a lot more gloppy. The ones that are still totalitarian or gone to theocracy or whatever and I think all those systems like health care and post and new things that will come about that’ll be so mastered, that having a centralized government formulate them and run them just makes more sense, say personalized Healthcare rather than just Healthcare.
Your personal data being locked away in some kind of like quantum encrypted cloud; that I think could all be sort of considered something like a Nordic plus. That would be a next step. So maybe I wouldn’t call it Nordic-ism but they do provide a framework that is workable and they tend to have the highest quality of life of any set of societies and then women are more free. And I think that is probably the best benchmark of whether or not a society’s healthy or not.
[Recording End]
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/03/25
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I wanted to talk about artificial intelligence in the context of IC. So there’s this whole phrase in IC; the principles of existence those aren’t necessarily just the laws of physics but they certainly comprise them. And I don’t think anything not permitted by them exists but if things are permitted by them, then they exist. So, within that context they are entirely natural if they are allowed by the principal’s existence; human beings exist, our form of computation exists, and artificial intelligence in simple forms exists. So I think the term artificial intelligence… So, I think the universe as an information processor is fundamentally about computation in one word but a multi-faceted, multi-form type of computation and human computation has certain subjectivity to it and so I would consider that computation with human emphasis.
Artificial intelligence, I would consider that another form of computation with different types of emphasis and in fact sometimes human character in them because we’re the ones making them. So it’s things that we’ve talked about. So I want to get your take on the idea that artificial intelligence, A) is not truly artificial in fact it’s as natural as human intelligence, just a different variation and B) you can take a unified frame of information processing by considering computation as a fundamental basis and then having different forms of emphasis. So you can have Homo sapiens having a particular type of emphasis. So computation with human emphasis, you can have “artificial intelligence”, computation with different emphasis, and things like that. I think that simplifies it a lot because it just gives you a basis and then you just see different outcroppings of different types of computation. What do you think?
Rick Rosner: Okay, so there’s a bunch of stuff going on. Let me start with computation. In the most basic sense computation is just doing basic logic and arithmetic operations and calculators can do it, people can do it with a pen and paper, we can do it in our heads, and it’s barely information processing the way we think of it. When we think of information processing, we think information processing is doing a lot of basic operations. To add 19 and 13 doesn’t take many operations. So you’d barely think of that as information processing but to take however many operations per second it takes to make a video game play, that’s information processing because we’re talking about billions of operations. So I’m sure when you talk to most people about information processing they think about stuff that goes on in modern computers which is millions and billions of operations and more, trillions.
If you solve a video game, if you get all the way through Call of Duty, that computer’s probably done more than 100 billion basic logic gate flips with zero to one and all that stuff. We know that information is processing is inextricably linked to the processes of the universe that as the universe plays out, information is being processed at if IC is right, various levels. You’ve got the information that is within the universe’s processing purview, that is if I see is right and space-time matter and how they all play out is the universe processing information in what’s likely to be some kind of consciousness. That consciousness and the subconscious or unconscious parts of it are all part of purposeful information processing of an entity or linked sets of entities in a world beyond ours.
Then at another informational level you’ve got what’s happening informationally as matter interacts with in the universe according to the information based laws of quantum mechanics. Not everything that happens, not every physical and interaction in fact most little teeny individual physical interactions according to the laws of quantum mechanics don’t impinge upon if the universe is an aware entity processing information. Most of the little quantum events in our universe don’t appreciably impact of the universe’s thinking. The interactions are too small and don’t leave a record but to get to computation and consciousness as we experience them in our world that is we’re conscious entities, a bunch of animals are conscious and now we have AI. People are starting to get the feeling that AI is something between computer-based computation and human conscious computation. How people have been feeling about AI has changed drastically in the past year or two. I was just watching like a second of Free Guy, the movie with Ryan Reynolds. I’ve seen it probably three times; it’s from 2021. Have you seen it? Probably not, you don’t see a lot of movies.
Jacobsen: No.
Rosner: Okay. It’s about an NPC, a non-player character, in a video game that becomes conscious and starts acting with agency and it makes for a movie I like but it was never a believable movie that this could happen within a video game. However, two years later the movie hits differently because now it’s easy to imagine that such a character in a video game via AI, it could start manifesting the behaviors seen by that character in the movie. What else is happening with AI is that people who claim to know about how AI works are claiming legitimately I think, I agree with them about AI doing things well enough or even better than humans in some ways like writing. Chris Cole just emailed some Mega members that GPT-4, an AI solved a mega level letter series problem. I guess somebody input into GPT-4 what the next letter in this series is, I don’t remember what the letters are, and it came up with the answer.
And we all know at this point in March 2023, that you can give a verbal prompt to various AIS and they’ll give you an essay or a chapter or probably if you let it go, maybe even a whole book on some subject that would be mostly passable. It wouldn’t be the greatest chapter or book in the world but it would be usable. Somebody threw up on Twitter today, told some chat bot to explain Thompson scattering or some scattering at a refractive barrier or something and it got it wrong but in a way that the person who was posting the Tweet said that with a little more tweaking, that was a really good first effort and it would probably get it right. The major deal I think principle, is we’ve talked about it before but it applies increasingly much as the current crop of AIs do their stuff that the Turing test is obsolete and also there’s no one Turing test. It’s a whole range of awareness of the products of AI.
The original Turing test which Turing called the imitation game took place on slips of paper being sent back and forth via a slit in a wall in the 1950s maybe, maybe the late 40s and Turing said according to this test that if you’re typing messages and sending them through a hole in the wall and getting typed messages back and after you do this for a while, there’s no evidence that you’re not talking with a person, then according to the Turing test, I might be getting this wrong, then what’s happening behind that wall is thinking regardless of whether it’s a human doing it or a computer doing it. Is that correct? Is that the right understanding?
Jacobsen: Yes.
Rosner: Okay. Now that we’ve been working with AI for a while, we know that AI can pass superficial and naive evaluation in a Turing type way. You look at a head shot made by AI and at first glance you can’t tell it’s a head shot. There’s a site that’s I think called ‘this person does not exist’ and you look at the people on that site and they look like photos but they were images generated by AI and if you had like two seconds to look at each of them and you didn’t know how to look at them, they’d pass your superficial Turing test. But if you know what to look for, you can see the tells that AI is still not great at; earlobes, earrings, backgrounds, maybe the rate at which photos become blurry with distance, and the depth of field. Those photos pass naive Turing tests but not educated Turing tests and that certainly applies to I would think any current product of AI that somebody who’s looked at a lot of the products of AI is able to tell what AI is as spit out. So the Turing test has fragmented or been replaced with some more sophisticated version.
Also, along with that more sophisticated version is an expert opinion that even though the shit generated by AI is good, it doesn’t reflect consciousness that there’s not a consciousness generating this stuff. Even though there’s a minority opinion among kind of educated lunatics or just people who come to the wrong conclusions that this stuff might be conscious. My opinion is no, that you could probably at this point design at a video game character that would kind of look like it was acting with independence and agency and would come up with surprising behaviors and sophisticated behaviors and then you have to define behavior. You have to be conscious to have behavior. What’s happening with AI is requiring a lot of definitions to have to be made more precise.
Finally for this part of what I’m saying, I believe to have consciousness you need to have the setup that generates the feeling of consciousness which isn’t an emotion, it’s being within consciousness and feeling that you are within your consciousness which is as we’ve talked about at the very least broadband information sharing among a set of analytical nodes, right? That’s what we decided that that’s like a core necessity for consciousness?
Jacobsen: Yes, another aspect of that probably which we haven’t talked about much would be real time; it is constant input output of that complex multinodal networked information processing system.
Rosner: Yeah, the real time is tricky because you can imagine a thing being conscious in slow motion with the rate at which it experiences things being limited by the hardware.
Jacobsen: Well that’s also another thing. We know with ourselves the speed at which we process sound, smell, physiology, and sight are different speeds yet we have this illusion of this unitary sensory experience.
Rosner: Right, but the things that slow us down, it’s not really computation that slows us down or maybe it is, I haven’t thought about it enough but when you think about what slows us down… Like I said, it might be computation. It’s getting the signals processed and into your central consciousness that seems to lead to lags. I mean maybe if we thought about it and talked about it more, we would think that it’s also lags in central consciousness but central consciousness seems to be like via evolution to have adopted a way of keeping things seamless. When signals hit at different times, the way we’re arranged and the way we’re used to thinking, we’re able to handle signals arriving at different times without it making us particularly notice those lags or those lags making us crazy most of the time.
I’m thinking about with a machine-based potential consciousness, the actual processing, though now that I think about it I don’t know, probably AI could make that shit pretty efficient. I’m claiming without having thought about it a lot that you might have a thing that experiences, a kind of buffering that it can’t experience reality with the detail and think about reality with the detail you’d want in real time. So it would have to absorb chunks of reality and be slower at processing those little slices of reality than we are. It would might have to not work in real time but still would be conscious because it just doesn’t have the moment-to-moment processing power that we do but I don’t know, that’s a whole discussion to have but the deal is that current AI doesn’t have a lot of the hardware. It doesn’t have real time linked multiple analytic nodes.
Now people are working on linking verbal and visual, linking ChatGPT to a dolly so that you’ve got a thing that’s sending information back and forth between its verbal analytics and its visual analytics. And that’s a step in the direction of consciousness except that there’s no sensory hardware to speak of. It doesn’t have senses. It’s got inputs but these inputs are not broadband at all, they’re just like portals for entering information. That kind of hardware is not yet anywhere near our sensory input hardware. And I assume there are various choke points in AI where there’s just non-existent information processing nodes or systems that we have that we’ve evolved to make ourselves efficient thinkers that have yet to be incorporated into AI systems.
So you could have an AI, and somebody will do this pretty soon that animates a human-like character that appears to have agency but that is a very as if system, that character is not conscious. It is using huge big data to replicate human behavior and falls far short of consciousness. One last thing is, given that, then eventually we’ll have to examine human thought and behavior to see how far we fall into the as if system because we’re as if also. We behave as if we have consciousness with a degree of fidelity based on sophisticated powerful broadband information processing. That fidelity gives us consciousness, behaving as if we have consciousness with all this stuff that facilitates it makes us conscious. So in a way we’re doing the same thing that the shitty AI is doing, it’s just that our systems are so much better that we are actually conscious.
[Recording End]
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/02/23
[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: So, what are we saying here?
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: We are saying even if you take a shift from IQ tests and controlled psychometric psychological testing center case for the proper test into the real world, other confounding factors in the real world could make metrics that can use a naturalistic setting like a business technology invention or discovery success questionable in and of themselves. So, in either case, it becomes a problem of opaqueness up to a point.
Rosner: IQ tests were initially designed to fairly quickly tell you how smart somebody is so you can get them what they need, generally educational resources. And you can ask, “Is this helpful?” A teacher in a reasonable academic setting, let’s say a third-grade teacher with 28 students, has IQ scores for those 28 students, is going to be helpful as the teacher, by working with the students after the first couple months, be able to figure out who’s smart and who isn’t. Or do IQ tests to find hidden gems where there might be a kid who’s underperforming, but maybe that kid’s parents are getting a divorce, and that kid’s all fucked up but is smart, or the kid is fucking up because the kid is bored. I’ve never seen a study, not that I’ve looked for one, that tries to answer whether IQ tests are needed. I think they’re still kind of administered as a matter of course in schools at some point. By fifth grade, you’ve probably taken some kind of IQ test. Maybe I’m wrong, but it’s certainly not the big deal that it was when I was a kid. What do you think?
Jacobsen: It seems people use it in formal settings like the army, a little less in college admissions and so on.
Rosner: So there’s the ASVAB in America, Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery. It’s an IQ test to see whether you get a shot at being enlisted to go to officer candidate school. In the NFL, they used to give a test called the Wonderlic. I think they phased that out because they decided it was racist. It was a 50-question IQ test, and somebody looked at it and decided this fucks over people from poor black kids, maybe. Those people may not be considered quarterbacks because quarterbacks are supposed to be the smartest players on the field and have the highest scores on the Wonderlic. If the NFL can do without the Wonderlic, everybody else can do without IQ tests, I don’t know.
Ultra-high IQ tests serve no diagnostic purpose and, in my mind, are best considered as a sport, and I’ve pitched this fucking sport a bunch. And also, I’ve been a part of four TV Pilots that try to turn thinking into a fucking sport, and it’s very frustrating because you could make a decent show about this kind of shit. That’s what it’s for meaningless performance, like the world’s strongest man competition. You take all these ridiculous fucking events holding like 300-500 pounds picking up balls that are like 30 inches in diameter and weigh 300 pounds. Very unwieldy; who can pick up the most balls and put them on pedestals in one minute? Who can drag a train, you know, to the farthest in one minute? These things that you have to be strong are shit to do, but it’s still a ridiculous fucking thing. You can do the same thing with mental acuity of some sort, and the people have tried to do this, and no fucking network has ever picked it up because they’re idiots.
Now that I think about it, when you look at the networks that have been pitched this shit, now there’s a deal, it’s a rule I developed; I would think that other people have the same rule that the development execs at the middling TV networks A&E, Nat Geo, Bravo; if they were better at their jobs, they wouldn’t be at these fucking middling networks. They’d be at Netflix or whatever the hot fucking network at the moment is. So these dumb fucks, which is where these brain shows get pitched, maybe those shows don’t go anywhere because they are being considered by dumb fuck because some of these shows are perfectly fine and would make for shows that are at least as good as other reality competition shows and maybe better if it’s a reality competition plus a personality revealing thing like Survivor but with smart people.
Another principle that I’m well familiar with, no fucking development exec, is that smart people can be just as asshole-ish as other people and just as interesting in their assholery. There you go; that’s what super-high IQ performance measures are for. It’s a fucking sport that hasn’t been turned successfully into a sport because the people with the power to turn it into a sport are fucking dumb shits.
[Recording End]
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/02/22
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: There’s an article by David Redvaldsen from Norway published in the peer-reviewed journal Psych. It examines the validity of the Mega and Titan tests by Ronald K Hoeflin. After a thorough review, the conclusion is that the Mega test can measure IQ at the one in a million level, while the Titan test can measure up to the one in several hundred thousand levels. On an SD-16 scale, the Titan test’s cap is 168+. You achieved the only perfect score on that test. The Mega test’s cap for one in a million is around 45 or 46. Marilyn Vos Savant, dating Ronald K Hoeflin at the time, raising concerns of conflict of interest, is the only person to score 46 on her first attempt. Chris Langan and you achieved the other two scores of 47.
Rick Rosner: On my second attempt.
Jacobsen: Right. I give more weight to first attempts. Getting feedback from a first attempt before taking a second gives you tacit information about your performance.
Rosner: Exactly. It doesn’t specify which items were incorrect but tells you how many were wrong. It also gives you the confidence to reassess and figure out the errors. For instance, I knew I had skipped one question on my first try, which I spent about a hundred hours on. I was also fairly sure about a few others I got wrong. So, for the second attempt, I wondered how much more time it would take, maybe another 40 hours, to find three more correct answers, which I did.
Jacobsen: The first attempt truly reflects an honest effort without any prior feedback, in my opinion. That qualitative aspect is crucial. Notable scores on the Mega test include Chris Langan with a 42 on his first attempt, your 44, and Marilyn’s 46.
Rosner: And John Henry Sununu, the former governor of New Hampshire.
Jacobsen: Yes, he was a significant figure under President George Bush Senior, even writing a book about him.
Rosner: There were also a couple of mathematicians who scored 45 and 44.
Jacobsen: Yes, that 44-45 range is essentially the threshold for entering the one-in-a-million category on a first attempt. These tests, considered ‘power tests’ at the time and perhaps even now, are designed to measure more than just quick thinking. They allow open reference books and as much time as needed, aiming to evaluate cognitive power, effort, motivation, and intelligence level to determine a marker of general intelligence. They’re tapping into multiple factors, including aspects of personality.
Rosner: Let’s delve into why this paper is significant, especially considering the relevance of ultra-high IQ tests.
Jacobsen: Right. To add to what I just mentioned, this indicates that one of these tests is among the most rigorously attempted, with large sample sizes and test items with precise, verifiable answers. This sets it apart from many alternative high IQ tests.
Rosner: The test was normed by Hoeflin based on about 4,000 submissions, probably ten times more than the number of people who have attempted any other ultra-high IQ test.
Jacobsen: However, one important caveat is that the individuals taking these tests are self-selected; it’s not a randomized sample. While it represents a certain segment of the population, it’s not reflective of the general population.
Rosner: Let’s discuss norming the test and determining the IQ scores corresponding to the number of correct answers.
Jacobsen: As a footnote, based on that paper, your IQ on the Mega test on your first attempt would be 167, SD 16, and 168+ on the Titan.
Rosner: Okay, let’s discuss how these ultra-high-end IQ tests are normed. The test creators ask participants to submit scores from other IQ tests or equivalent assessments, like the SAT. This process relies on self-reported scores, and although there’s no verification to ensure honesty, most people are likely truthful. Based on these scores, the test makers establish correlations. For instance, if you score 41 on this test and have a 158 on another, or a certain score on the SAT, they can estimate that a score of 41 corresponds to an IQ of, according to Hoeflin’s calculations, around 163 or something similar. That’s the general method for norming these ultra-high-end IQ tests. This paper is significant because it’s one of the first to lend credibility to these tests, which have existed since the late ’70s.
Jacobsen: There are three notable figures in this context: Christopher Harding, Kevin Langdon, and Chris Langan.
Rosner: Kevin Langdon was among the first to publish these super high-end tests around 1979-1980. They’ve existed for about 40 years but have often been dismissed by psychometric professionals as merely hobbyists’ work and not legitimate. This paper you mentioned is one of the first to give legitimacy to these efforts. However, I heard it’s a pay-to-publish journal.
Jacobsen: I’m not certain about that.
Rosner: I thought I heard you mention it. Some journals require payment for publishing and peer review.
Jacobsen: That’s a different discussion, especially considering the publishing costs. Even Harvard Library struggles to afford all journal subscriptions despite having a multi-billion dollar endowment.
Rosner: I’m not well-versed in whether this practice diminishes a journal’s legitimacy.
Jacobsen: To refocus, this was about psychiatric sciences and psychology. A serious effort to validate these alternative IQ tests must come from a psychometric professional and be published in a peer-reviewed psychometric journal. I’m not sure if that has been done yet.
Rosner: Regardless, this paper does provide a bit of legitimacy to these tests. For instance, the score I got on the Titan test, according to Hoeflin, was 190, but this article suggests it’s more like 168.
Jacobsen: Yes, 168 or higher.
Rosner: Significantly lower, right.
Jacobsen: It’s a 22-point difference. Christopher Langan’s first attempt was 163 SD-16, but he’s claimed scores between 190 and 210; others say 195. That’s an even wider gap. The discrepancy between your Titan test score and what’s claimed is smaller, about 10 points less.
Rosner: I haven’t reviewed the paper, so I can’t comment on whether its methodology is more convincing than Hoeflin’s. We can, however, discuss the implications.
Jacobsen: A side note: the most egregious exaggerations often appear in popular articles. People in alternative IQ communities tend to be somewhere in the middle, while the more serious assessments come from psychometricians. For example, popular articles might absurdly claim that some historical figure who never took a test had an IQ of one in three billion rarity.
Rosner: Langan was featured on the cover of Esquire magazine around 20 years ago, hailed as the smartest man in America, or perhaps the world. Similarly, I was featured on a Denver newspaper cover and even in a Domino’s sandwich advertisement. Domino’s launched sandwiches back then – quite delicious, especially if you like pizza-based sandwiches. The ad claimed I had a 200 IQ. They were later challenged, not due to my IQ claim, but because Subway argued that Domino’s made unfair comparisons in their ads. They claimed Domino’s only used delicious ingredients in their sandwiches, making Subway use less appealing items like lettuce and peppers. The ads didn’t last long, only about two or three weeks.
Jacobsen: There are both serious and not-so-serious efforts to measure high IQs. However, while he is a good journalist, Mike Sager’s article in Esquire was quite irresponsible as a piece of journalism.
Rosner: True, but in journalism, sensationalism often sells. No one wants to see a cover featuring Chris Langan with a headline saying he’s smart.’ It’s far more enticing to proclaim him as the smartest guy in the world, or at least in America.
Jacobsen: Let’s consider a more realistic scenario. Say Langan is in Mercer County, with a population of 3,000-4,000. He’s the most intelligent person there.
Rosner: That’s not a headline that grabs attention. People usually read articles looking for something more enlightening or extraordinary. But I get your point. Let’s delve into the implications. Assuming the article you mentioned, which I haven’t read, is accurate and the toughest IQ tests in the world can only measure up to 170.
Jacobsen: 170 plus, to be precise.
Rosner: Right, but that’s still lower than Hoeflin’s claimed reach of up to 190.
Jacobsen: Even so, 170 is pretty impressive.
Rosner: Yes, but by the standard deviation model of IQ, 170 doesn’t quite reach the one-in-a-million mark. I believe you need to hit around 172.
Jacobsen: It depends on the standard deviation used.
Rosner: Exactly. If we’re considering four standard deviations, that gets you around one in three million. You’d need about 4.75 standard deviations, which I think equates to an IQ of 176, to hit the one-in-a-million threshold.
Jacobsen: Yeah, yours would be one in a hundred thousand or something.
Rosner: Yeah. Let’s say just for the sake of this stupid discussion, stupid because it’s trivial. It’s splitting hairs.
Jacobsen: Remember that famous quote, the reason the fights are between people and societies in high IQ communities is…
Rosner: Academics. It’s taken because the stakes are so low.
Jacobsen: Yeah, there is so little at stake.
Rosner: Let’s say the toughest tests could only measure up to 170 or so, and I don’t know because I just don’t know. What is stopping tests from going higher? And it could be, ‘well, IQs don’t go higher than that,’ that’s possibility one. Possibility two is you can’t measure performances higher than that in any reasonable way except by looking at real-world achievements, which is what you just called out as a different form of IQ bullshit which is like looking at Einstein and Newton, historical figures, and saying based on what they did inventing calculus and writing Dr Faustus or whatever the fuck they did. They must have had IQs of 200. I mean, that’s an argument you can make or coming up with a theory of evolution that it takes real-world achievement to demonstrate IQs above 170.
Maybe so, but it’s certainly smarter to come up with the theory of evolution, even though the other guy contests Darwin’s invention claim. It was kind of in the wind then, and Darwin just came out with the most convincing in-depth argument. So, your IQ can’t blossom to its full above 170 potential except under special circumstances where super smartness meets an opportunity to come up with some super smart thing or where you don’t get fully flowered IQ without obsession, without some other extra mental quirks. You don’t get Einstein’s IQ without what Einstein called Sitzfleisch, the ability to sit down even though he works standing up and thinking about a problem for hundreds of hours. And you also don’t get Einstein without Einstein being born in 1879. The turn of the century is when you know science goes from being solved in a classical sense to being totally up in the air in a Quantum sense and about relativity. So Einstein was there to pounce on all that stuff.
So, various issues exist about what makes for a world-beating IQ. It may depend on external circumstances or other internal mental quirks. That’s what I got.
Jacobsen: Anyway, I think an important part of getting those scores so high does make an argument for the idea but per tests themselves. The idea is that you need other factors outside of just speed, and I think one of those is motivation, and another is the narrative around that motivation. So, how strongly are you driven to do something to take these tests and solve those problems? Also, the narrative you have for yourself to have that motivation is sort of a frame for that drive that motivation. I think those are really important factors. We can discuss that with you, but that is a big factor in your high performance.
Rosner: Taking these super high IQ tests is a minority activity. Even among the people who could potentially score high on these tests, a tiny fraction of those people take these tests. For one thing, you don’t get anything really direct for doing this stuff. It’s not a sport that’s recognized, there are no monetary rewards, the fame off of this is very iffy, the social cachet is non-existent, and the opportunity cost is huge that if you’re so smart the scores of hours you’re going to spend on this could be more productively spent in a zillion other ways. So, taking these tests takes a quirky situation and/or a quirky person. Just that means that you’ve got a self-selected weird group that automatically skews your sample and makes it questionable as to what it reflects about the supposedly normally distributed population about IQ.
Jacobsen: And so maybe there should be different statistical distributions when considering these other factors, but things like digit span, vocabulary, spatial rotation, and other things.
Rosner: We should talk about the three things you just mentioned. There are three subtests from standard, well-regarded IQ tests like the ways in the Stanford Binet, which consists of, depending on how thorough your tester wants to be, you can be given more than a dozen of these subtests. The test you just mentioned, all these subtests, a lot of them have a time component. Well, almost all of them have a time component, that’s how you test somebody’s IQ in a reasonable amount of time. You find a task where supposedly somebody smart will be able to complete more of the task in 90 seconds or something, right?
Jacobsen: I mean, the difference between these tests and a real problem solver is probably something like an extreme version of the difference between, in more normal circumstances, free weights and non-. Solving a millennium prize problem, making some big discovery, or inventing a new product of great utility to most people is a much more honest test of intelligence than an IQ test.
Rosner: You can’t use it like that because there are too many variables, and it’s just an uncontrolled kind of exposure to the world.
Jacobsen: True. I mean, it’s also, as far as I know, most of the billionaires came from rich families.
Rosner: So there’s another thing that came to mind: humble bragging regarding IQ. I know at least two people who are famous for doing that. Richard Feynman used to say that he had average intelligence; he just was inquisitive, used everything he had to think about things, and anybody could do what he did with his average intelligence. I think Francis Crick did the same thing, the DNA guy; it might have been Watson. It was one of the DNA guys. Even Einstein was modest. He didn’t go around bragging about their intelligence. They bragged about more egalitarian things: diligence and inquisitiveness, not just god-given intelligence.
Jacobsen: There’s also some sort of social lies that we tell, too. I mean, if someone is objectively more educated, they have a PhD versus an undergraduate degree. If they were to act as if they didn’t have that education, that wouldn’t be considered humble or modest; that would be considered psychosis because it would be a denial of reality. So you can be sort of honest but not brag.
Rosner: Yeah. You mentioned how most billionaires came from wealth in the first place.
Jacobsen: As far as I know, I haven’t looked.
Rosner: Yeah, but that brings up another thing, which is what’s been going on with Elon Musk, who has been recognized as an engineering genius. Then he bought Twitter, and all this information came out. I think he comes from a bunch of money and used it to buy many tech companies and retroactively have him listed among the founders, even though he wasn’t there when they were founded. He might be just some kind of fucking rich idiot, which is similar to Trump. If you look at it, Trump has time and finances; any period where we know how his money worked is when he was one of the worst businessmen in America. For instance, we know his finances for the ten years starting in 1985, when he lost 1.17 billion dollars, more than anybody else in America. He was the worst businessman in America from 1985 through 1994, and then more recently, his taxes came out for about six years in the 21st century, during which he lost another shit ton of money; if you look at what he did with the money he inherited, he would have done much better had he done no business and had just put his money into t-notes or certificates of the of deposit. So he’s a rich guy who is a fucking idiot who did nothing to increase his fortune, which buttresses your argument that a lot of billionaires had parents who were 100 millionaires and just didn’t entirely fuck up their business life.
[Recording End]
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/02/22
[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: One of the themes of the talking we’ve been doing for the past nine years is that Republicans in America just keep getting worse. I think we’ve used the analogy of a black hole that in traditional black hole theory, you reach a point where the gravitational attraction in the collapsing matter is strong enough to overcome any other force and at that point nothing slows it down from then on and all the matter collapses into roughly a point in space. It’s a similar process with Republican pundits and leaders and people who are on the right word chunk of Republicans that there’s nothing stopping them from just collapsing into worse and worse badness. We’re not at the point of full-on fascism. I mean the odds that we have something like Nazi Germany or fascist Italy happen is still low for a couple reasons.
One is, we have the examples of the 20th century to remind people of what could happen. Two is, there’s just so many means of sharing information so that the cause of a lot of this collapse which is people lunatics and idiots and just regular folks being hit with a fire hose of messaging that deranges them because it’s not the sophistication of the messaging that makes people crazy, it’s the frequency of getting hit with messaging. Initially the Cambridge Analytica stuff was like “Oh, people are getting characterized and profiled with such precision that they’re getting hit with these messages that are tailored to mess with their minds.” It says, “No, people are being divided into like five different silos, they’re not being precisely profiled but once they’re in a silo then they get hit with a thousand messages a day,” and that’s the problem but it’s also the solution to some extent because everybody else can exchange a gazillion messages and track all this bullshit and get irated at the bullshit that’s happening and make sure that everybody’s aware of it.
You’re tending to horses a lot and not following American politics. Immediately after the election talk in November 2020, Fox News attacked Dominion Voting Systems as part of their attack on the legitimacy of the election. Fox News along with other right-wing media and Trump himself and a bunch of Republican politicians said the election was stolen, that Trump, the best president ever, couldn’t have lost the election legitimately. And among the attack was an attack on this company called Dominion Voting Systems, saying that they have these machines that could be rigged and were rigged to stop Trump from winning. Dominion Voting Systems sent turns out Fox 3600 debunking emails. They just constantly sent Fox emails and tried to contact them in other ways saying we didn’t have any voting machines in this election and you’re destroying our business and what you’re saying isn’t true at all.
So eventually that turned into a 1.6 billion dollar loss defamation lawsuit against Fox and this past week Dominion released a redacted version of a 211 page filing for summary judgment in the case which is almost never done by a plaintiff. Summary judgment is this thing that gets used increasingly in the American legal system where very few legal actions actually go to trial before a jury. They usually end before that and one of the means usually used by defendants is to file for summary judgment where you argue that given the facts of the case, there is no way that a non-insane jury, a reasonable jury could find any way but this way. You’re saying that the facts are so persuasive and so they prove your case to such an extent that you don’t need a jury trial because there’s no way that a jury could find other than the way we’re saying and the defendants usually say that.
Fox filed their own summary judgment in this thing. But Dominion filed this 200 plus page thing with all these redacted, not all of it should be for public consumption but Dominion said a lot of it should be for public consumption because the facts are so damning. And the facts are that they had hundreds of pages showing that Fox knew full well Hannity and Laura Ingram and Tucker Carlson, all knew and were emailing each other and calling each other and eventually giving depositions in which they said yes we knew that the claims of election fraud were fake; that we couldn’t say it on air because we were afraid of losing our viewers.
Scot Douglas Jacobsen: That’s crazy.
Rosner: It’s fucking crazy and also there was an essay on Salon, the website today, where it argued that not only did Fox know it was bullshit and couldn’t say so because they don’t want to lose their viewers but the viewers themselves knew it was bullshit and didn’t care and just wanted to keep being told it because it made them feel better. So, this is where we are with Republicans and truth now. There’s no downside to lying. It’s like being a sports fan where you want your team to win by any means necessary. And it’s a fucking mess.
Jacobsen: Nightmare.
Rosner: Yeah and it’s very addicting for me where I don’t know if this is on purpose or what Elon Musk is showing himself to be very right wing and also kind of a charlatan. It’s like if you took Trump and replaced real estate with science and technology, you’d have Musk but one smart thing he did was to feed liberals like me all the feeds from Mike Pompeo, Lauren Bobert, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Jim Jordan, and Tucker Carlson himself. Tucker’s tweets show up in my feed and I can’t break myself away from just saying something shitty right back to him every time I get one of their tweets. It’s addicting because it’s infuriating and also my fucking traffic has gone up tenfold, 20-fold just from me saying shitty things back to these lying motherfuckers. It’s a fucking mess.
Another thing saving is from fascism is that these fuckers are pretty inept. They failed to succeed in their coup in 2020 and the hope of everybody is if they get called out enough, decent people will show up and vote. Another thing, Tucker Carlson; huge liar, proven liar… the speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy said that he would release all 41,000 hours of video of the attack on the Capitol on January 6th if he became speaker so that people could make their own judgments. So today or yesterday he announced that he’s doing that but only to Tucker Carlson and then Tucker Carlson will pick and choose clips among the 41,000 hours that will make it look like it wasn’t so bad and that it was an inside job from the FBI and Democrats and again more blatant lies. So that’s where we’re at.
The fear is all it takes is one bad election where you get a bunch of people who are willing to throw out all the rules and you’ve got something like Germany in 1933 when Hitler wasn’t really winning elections, he just won enough of a presence in the whatever you call Germany’s government at the time, to get his hands on the levers of government and he shut all the protections for democracy there down. So I don’t think we’re there yet and I don’t think we’ll ever be there but it’s not a zero percent chance that we won’t get there.
[Recording End]
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Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/02/21
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Addendum.
Rick Rosner: So, the lesson here is always be prepared to lie and cheat because you never know when a situation may come up that will require you having non-rusty fake ID type skills. I haven’t had to use a fake ID in decades but here I needed to very quickly, at least I did it quickly, within half an hour I got the vax that I was denied. I used my ‘fuck around with records and lie a little bit and get what you want’ skills. You never know, especially in America, when Hitler will turn up again and you need to start like faking papers and lying to avoid the Gestapo, which the next time a Republican gets elected President.
[Recording End]
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Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/02/21
[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: So just a second ago before you started taping, we were talking about whether the Titan and the Mega are legit measures of ultra high IQ. So I’ve got a story from today which either makes me very smart or very stupid or neither. So that’s the whole spectrum. So I’m flying to Albuquerque at the end of the week to go to my niece and nephew’s bar/bat mitzvah. I have to get on a plane and I have to go to this big family event. New Mexico is a fairly Covid-y State and then at the beginning of April, Carol and I are stupidly foolishly going on a Cruise.
So I wanted to get another booster to get all fresh antibodies for Covid. So I go to my local booster shop, Elements Pharmacy and they shoot me down even though my last booster was five and a half months ago which is plenty long for most of the antibodies to fade away but they say that the CDC has not okayed a second bivalent booster for anybody. I go but I got risk factors and I’m going to these group gatherings. He’s like “Nope, can’t do it.” The CDC is slightly inept; they’ve been burned before by vaccinations for swine flu and stuff. They get hit from all sides and it makes them a little gun shy. I showed them my vax card which is actually two vax cards because I’ve had five of them and there’s only room for four, so they gave me a second one because I overflowed. They said, “No, you already had your bivalent and you can’t have it.”
So I went home and I took out the second vax card so it just showed i’ had four and then I went to my local CVS and got it there. So I’ve been vaxed now six times. There’s supposed to be a state Registry of people’s vaccinations but apparently that registry isn’t entirely up to date. I kind of used fake ID for a fake absence of fake incomplete vaccination record to get the extra vax that I wanted which makes Carol nervous because she doesn’t want me to die from too many vaxes.
[Recording End]
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2022/11/16
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So, I was having this discussion about the concept of proof and evidence, and what constitutes a meaningless statement. I categorize proofs as confined to pure mathematics for mathematical proofs or logic for logical proofs. Everything else is statistical and varies depending on the study’s domain. Then there are meaningless statements, like “ideas sleep furiously,” which don’t fit into any of these categories.
Rick Rosner: Okay, we’re recording this, right?
Jacobsen: Yes. This relates to what you were saying about faith. How do you define faith, and how does it fit into this discussion?
Rosner: Before diving into faith, I want to talk about proof. I have these weekly debates with Lance, my conservative counterpart. When I assert something about Trump, such as his connections with the Russians, Lance demands proof. I cite deals with Russian oligarchs, but Lance dismisses them as insufficient proof. In our debates, nothing ever reaches the level of proof. Recently, I’ve begun to counter him by demanding he prove his claims. This leads to the broader question of what constitutes proof in daily life. We operate on many assumptions without having things conclusively proven to us.
Many things in our lives are known to the level of proof through experience. We understand everyday physics, like gravity and inertia, and Newton’s laws, through direct experience. For example, we instinctively avoid jumping off balconies because we know the consequences. This is experiential proof. Then there’s a less certain level of knowledge, like my belief that President Trump is a huge asshole. This would be hard to unprove unless, for instance, it was revealed he has frontotemporal dementia, which affects behavior. Even then, I’d still view him critically.
And then there are things I feel I know but aren’t as certain. Whether I actually know them doesn’t impact my daily life much. Take climate change, for example. I know it’s real, but if Lance asked me to prove it, my evidence wouldn’t be concrete. I could cite statistics, like the belief of 97 percent of scientists in climate change, but that’s not solid proof since I haven’t studied the detailed mechanisms. Nevertheless, it affects some of my behaviors, like feeling guilty about unnecessary car trips or trying to recycle, even though my understanding of climate change isn’t as direct as my understanding of gravity.
California now faces increasingly severe fires each year, far worse than before. We endure more extremely hot days. While climate change’s direct impact on my life may not be life or death, I am highly certain of its reality. Then there are lesser issues, like certain politicians. Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz, for example, seem like huge assholes, but my knowledge about them is limited compared to my 30-year awareness of Trump. I’ve only known about these other guys for around five to eight years and don’t read about them daily.
Regarding my understanding of how to pick up women, much of what I learned is theoretical, as I studied it after I was already with Carol and no longer in the dating scene. I believe in the socio-biological framework that suggests women seek stability and are more selective due to the greater commitment involved in pregnancy and child-rearing. Men, on the other hand, are perceived as more interested in spreading their genes. This knowledge, however, is somewhat speculative.
We live our lives without concrete proof for many things. We have experiential certainty about some aspects, like gravity, even though most haven’t studied advanced Newtonian dynamics or general relativity. For less critical matters, our understanding often rests on faith, based on common knowledge or sparse information. For instance, I’ve heard numerous anecdotes and tabloid stories suggesting John Travolta is bisexual, along with rumors from the entertainment industry. Do I know this for certain? No. Does it matter? Not really. It’s more of a faith-based acceptance.
A lot of what I think I know is vague and unsubstantiated, but it doesn’t impact my daily life significantly. If I were to evaluate the total information I possess, there’s a chance that much of it might be considered unreliable or ‘shit information,’ though it’s hard to measure. In contrast, my understanding of gravity is deeply ingrained and certain, far more so than my knowledge about Travolta’s sexuality.
Jacobsen: May I interject?
Rosner: Yeah, go ahead.
Jacobsen: From what you’ve said, I see at least three different thought paths. First, there’s the experience of gravity, which is a raw, physical observation of the world, repeated over time. Gravity, for you, is statistically real, an empirical form of knowledge, not faith-based. Second, I gather your approach to news consumption involves discerning more reliable sources from the unreliable ones. This seems to blend faith and trust or confidence. For instance, you may have trust or confidence in reputable journalism rather than blindly accepting claims, like those about John Travolta’s sexuality, from less credible sources.
Rosner: That example isn’t great journalism. There were occasional reports, like lawsuits against Travolta or pictures that suggested something, but they weren’t concrete.
Jacobsen: Fair point.
Rosner: I’ve lost track of the original point, but that’s not real journalism.
Jacobsen: Right. But with real journalism from trusted sources like Reuters or The Associated Press, you can have confidence in the information provided, like the connections between Trump and Russian oligarchs.
Rosner: Exactly. In that category, it’s more about trust or confidence in reliable information, as opposed to empirical observation.
Jacobsen: The third category seems to be straight-up faith, where beliefs aren’t necessarily based on gathered information or trust in a source but are simply held. These could be unjustified beliefs that many people have.
Rosner: That leads to a fourth category: superstitions and suspicions. These are things we might wonder about or semi-believe in, even if they’re not entirely true.
Jacobsen: Like angels and ghosts?
Rosner: I’m sure they don’t exist. However, I’m open to them in fiction for entertainment, and I acknowledge there might be gaps in scientific knowledge that could allow for mystical phenomena, though I find these gaps quite narrow. My own superstitions are more like compulsions.
Jacobsen: Those are my thoughts. Perhaps there’s a fifth category, which offers the closest levels of truth: logical and mathematical proofs.
Rosner: Most people aren’t dealing with that level of proof.
Jacobsen: True, and that’s why pure mathematics, for example, is such a specialized field.
Rosner: In coding, there’s a similar need for precision, akin to mathematical proofs. When building a program, you’re accountable for every process. I don’t think there’s a programming language yet that intuitively corrects your mistakes. It might be on the horizon, but I haven’t come across it.
Jacobsen: Like a mathematician for coding.
Rosner: Exactly. Imagine if it could understand that you’re trying to add a skin to a wireframe soldier in Call of Duty 8, but you’ve made an error and the skin is floating slightly above the frame. The software would automatically correct that. I’ve always found coding challenging because, like mathematical proofs, it demands such precision and has no tolerance for errors.
Jacobsen: So, coding, mathematics, and logic could be one category. Natural sciences, social sciences, personal beliefs based on experience, beliefs in general, and superstitions are other distinct categories. I think these encapsulate the ways we understand our world.
Rosner: Stepping back, it’s important to consider how knowledge actually functions in our lives. As evolved, conscious beings, we like to think we understand and control our actions. However, we live in a world tailored to our convenience, which allows us to navigate life with less understanding than we assume. We move from one familiar experience to another, some decisions being conscious and well-thought-out, while others are just automatic responses suited to beings of our nature in a world designed for us.
Our understanding, however, is often superficial. It’s like Plato’s Cave; our grasp of the world is somewhat vague. I’ve seen two science fiction shows recently, though I can only recall one, where characters are confronted with the underlying forces shaping their lives through big data analytics. In Westworld, for instance, people receive messages on their phones revealing truths about themselves, predicted by a big data analytics engine. It exposes the deeper structures of their lives, beyond their understanding, but clear to the analytic engine.
It’s often bad news for most people when they confront the stark realities about themselves, such as tendencies towards suicide, alcoholism, or various failures. This kind of revelation can lead to world chaos. Some people endeavor to discover their true selves. I’ve visited at least six therapists because my behavior was bothersome to others and I was encouraged to seek help. Although I never really wanted to go, thinking I was fine, my experiences with these therapists, combined with my efforts to write my autobiography over many years, have made me quite transparent to myself, which I value.
Within reason, when self-awareness becomes too painful, I retreat, just like anyone else. The world offers mechanisms to better understand ourselves, but comprehensive self-understanding or understanding of the world isn’t necessary to function well in it, as we live in a world designed for humans.
I watched “The Vow,” about NXIVM and Keith Ranieri, the leader of what was essentially a sex cult. He is now serving a 120-year prison sentence. His true motives are unclear. Early on, he may have been a manipulative grifter, but it’s possible that at some point he believed he was developing a beneficial system akin to Scientology, to help people understand themselves and improve.
“The Vow” tells the stories of people who joined NXIVM with the goal of self-improvement and professional success. While they were drawn into the cult-like aspects of NXIVM, they may have also experienced some positive changes due to the self-help content of the organization. Despite its sinister aspects, NXIVM did offer some degree of self-improvement techniques, much like Scientology, which was created by a con artist but still managed to compile various self-help methods from the 1950s.
Jacobsen: For the final question, would you say faith is good or bad?
Rosner: I’d argue that faith is, first and foremost, unavoidable. Considering our earlier discussion, we recognize that there’s a lot we don’t and can’t know. We’re certain about things like gravity, but when it comes to understanding what’s in someone’s heart or mind, that’s more ambiguous. For instance, I’ve watched Biden enough in the past six months to feel reasonably confident that he’s mentally sharp. He appears to be in command of the facts. But I can’t be entirely sure. Similarly, with Trump, despite claims on Twitter that he’s showing signs of dementia, he still communicates fluidly. His cautiousness walking down a ramp, attributed to wearing slick leather-soled shoes, seems logical. He wouldn’t want to risk a fall that would be widely broadcast. So, while I entertain the possibility of Trump having early dementia, I’m not fully convinced. It hasn’t been proven to me. Therefore, I accept on faith that Biden is mentally sound and that Trump isn’t significantly impaired. But, I can’t say I know for sure.
Most of what I believe has a substantial component of faith, which can be shattered by facts if probed deeply enough. We live in a world where our brains naturally engage in Bayesian analysis. We assess the reliability of our knowledge and weigh it against the risks of it being false. If something has significant implications for us, we strive to reinforce our knowledge, attempting to decrease faith-based beliefs and replace them with factual information.
Jacobsen: Is that the conclusion?
Rosner: Yes, that’s the end.
Jacobsen: Alright.
[Recording End]
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2022/11/15
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I got a really weird introduction to this. When I was running for Secretary General of Young Humanist International in 2019 in late May early June, I won; a bunch of people didn’t go to the Whale Museum in Iceland, they didn’t go to the volcanic vents or volcano events museum, they went to the penis museum in Iceland. I didn’t know this was a thing and they sent some pictures and on some of the displays, it’ll be in a case and it’ll say ‘Penis donated by Tom Mitchell’ or whatever and on the display it will say audio presentation. [Laughing]
Rick Rosner: What’s the presentation?
Jacobsen: I don’t know. I have no idea. [Laughing] I’m going to Google it.
Rosner: Well I assume these are mostly weird animal penises like I guess pigs have curly penises.
Jacobsen: Yeah. Oh sorry, it’s audio tour, Iceland. So at the Icelandic Phallological Museum, that’s what Google says, it’s open every day from 10 a.m. to 7 p.m. It looks like it’s in downtown Reykjavik. It’s at Hafnatorg 101, Reykjavík Island. There’s a bus that says 101 in Reykjavik, everything’s like that. it’s like a big city that’s a small town.
Rosner: Yeah, it sounds like a really cool place to live.
Jacobsen: You and I should go there.
Rosner: Yeah.
Jacobsen: It contains a collection of more than 200 penises and penile parts of almost all land and sea mammals that can be found in Iceland. So you will see a whale penis there, different whale penises.
Rosner: Okay there’s a Legend, the John Dillinger that came from the death of John Dillinger who was, I think ambushed leaving a movie theater. He was a gangster in the 1930s and the legend is that when you get shot as you die you get a huge hard on because I guess the morgue picture that somebody smuggled out for the newspapers showed him under his sheet and he was tented out but obviously it wasn’t his dick, it was something else under the sheet.
So, on Twitter somebody tweeted at me, a lady, saying “Are you the Rick Rosner who was in West Hollywood at this hotel? We talked about CHiPs and Erik Estrada.” And I wrote back, “No, that’s the other Rick Rosner. The Rick Rosner who created the TV show CHiPs but he’s a really nice guy” and we got to talking or tweeting back and forth of each other a little bit and the other Rick Rosner is a very friendly guy, kind of adventurous, and would make all sorts of friends. I could tell this lady trans and I just went ahead and followed her and then I checked out her Twitter feed to see what she was tweeting and who she was re-tweeting and apparently she belongs to a group of trans people who have enormous penises; they’re hot ladies with big old penises.
This is a thing in Japanese anime called Futanari which is hot girls with big dicks, comic strips because that’s filthy, it’s pornography where two girls like each other and then they start making out and then one of them has a penis and they have sex. I didn’t know that this was kind of a real thing though I kind of guessed it because I’m writing a book, a novel set in the near future and the main character has a girlfriend who’s a hot lady who gleefully has a huge dick. Having Trans people in your story is kind of like a fashionable thing to do right now. I kind of wanted to take it one step further but at the risk of being cheesy but now I know there’s a community of hot ladies who celebrate having just giant penises and it’s serendipitous because at some point maybe the book will be far enough along that I can go to this lady and say “Hey, can you say whether I got any of this stuff right?,” because trans stuff is tricky. If you just guess at it you’re going to get a lot of stuff wrong and possibly in an offensive way.
But anyway this whole thing got me thinking about penises and experienced viewers of pornography. When I was a kid pornography just was not very readily available. You were super excited if you found any. My friends and I, at least once dumpster dive for porn outside of a fraternity at the end of the school year figuring the Frat Bros might have Playboys that they’d thrown away, which they had and we found a few and these were highly cherished and passed around because there just wasn’t porn. But the porn at the time, it was a huge event. In about 1972 or maybe 1973, it was the first time that a Playboy showed a centerfold with pubic hair and it wasn’t until then everybody had been shaved; it’s just that they hadn’t shown anybody’s pubic region for the first 18 years of the magazine but they were in kind of a battle with Penthouse magazine. Penthouse was showing more than Playboy, so Playboy finally had to show a girl’s pubic area.
I didn’t see hardcore pornography for about another year and that stuff was really sad; the people looked kind of ugly and miserable and it was just looked like a terrible enterprise and was not appealing at all except for it showed sex. And then it’s just much different from today where whether they want to or not, probably every kid by the age of 12 has seen boners because just they’re all over the place on the internet and often on Netflix. Netflix usually doesn’t show boners for pornographic purposes but they might show a dick for comedic purposes. Everybody’s seen fucking everything.
If you follow a gentler slope into pornography, you know I started with a naked lady playing cards. Somebody found or had on the playground, that was just topless ladies in the 1950s. Once you’ve seen some naked lady porn, you generally move on to porn with people having sex and after you’ve seen enough of that, seeing a boner you associate it with a pleasurable pornographic experience because that boner is going to end up in a lady and that’s just dirtier porn. Porn needs to be transgressive. Christians like to present sex as something that can just love between two people who love each other and are married to each other. Even Christians get up to naughtiness or maybe they get up to more naughtiness, I don’t know but I don’t I feel like transgressive-ness is just a part of sex.
So you need the penises in there because it makes the sex dirtier. Same with the cum shot, it just makes things filthier. It shows that the sex was real and nobody who’s made making the porn can pretend it’s just for artistic purposes just the way you could with just beautiful naked lady pictures. So, even if you’re heterosexual, you’re okay to have penises flying around as long as they end up in a lady or have a lady doing something with them. A penis is kind of essential for dirty porn. I mean you can have lesbian porn that can be reasonably dirty but really if you’re going to be having heterosexual porn where the penis goes in is a surefire way to make it sufficiently pornographic.
And then I see all these ladies with giant penises and it’s just a weird thing that you’ve got a hot lady and you’ve got the penis, it’s pretty transgressive. Now I wrote a book more than 20 years ago where I tried to make it transgressive figuring. I mean there used to be a thing in books where books became notorious for being dirty, like Portnoy’s Complaint was a famous Philip Roth book of the 1970s where the main character was a Jewish teen who jacked off a lot or I guess then continued to jack off into adulthood or it just had some sex in it and nobody, no legit author had really written about jerking off before and that was part of what made the book notorious beyond its literary merit.
And so I tried to do the same thing in the 80s and 90s writing a novel which I never really tried to get published after some initial attempts because my TV career happened. But the idea was the same that I put some stuff in it that was really dirty thinking that the dirtiness might help the book, might give it a boost if the quality of my plotting and writing was otherwise lacking but the time for that may have already been over and I just haven’t seen a lot of that in books lately. I guess some books have some sex but nobody cares about transgressive sex in literature anymore.
I thought this would be a more interesting talk than it turned out to be with more insight. But in my book which I’ve tried to make a little transgressive anyhow, the book I’m writing now, the main character has a girlfriend who gleefully has a penis. The girlfriend has sex with people besides the main character and the main character is okay with it because the main character is handicapped in a very unusual way that kind of makes the main character think that he can’t insist on monogamy. And also the main character is getting laid with other people. Neither of them is monogamous and the shit they get into the girlfriends screwing around being non-monogamous helps with the main characters screwing around.
The girlfriend is very attractive, its gone way out of her way to look like a super duper hot girl; various surgeries and keeps in shape and meticulously done makeup, the clothes that are body conscious and the main character is just like the dick is not that big a deal. The girlfriend doesn’t want to put her penis in the main character. So that’s not an issue and it’s just a whole thing and it feels like that there won’t be a lot of stuff that’s this extreme because the couple, they’re a little bit psycho in terms of being very dedicated to sexual adventure. But I do feel that like for most Trans people, the configuration of their genitals is something that people who date these people just deal with and it’ll be something that’s even more accepted in the future.
I looked at the statistics because I was arguing with Lance, I brought this up before. The Conservatives like to say that Trans is a mental disease that makes you chop off your genitals and the argument against aid that’s just a shitty argument. And one thing that makes it shitty is that only about one half of one percent of Trans people mess with their genitals and I feel like that statistic, it could very well drop in the future as people become more and more okay with just keeping their genitals the way they are because genital surgery is just awful. It’s painful, it takes all sorts of maintenance; I guess often lifelong maintenance if you get a vagina. The final result of people often find less than satisfactory just in terms of how it is. The Trans person who’s gotten the surgery is not dissatisfied having gotten gender conforming surgery though they wish the surgical result was better. Or I would think that in the future there will be more fixes that make gender conforming procedures a little more satisfactory but in any case a teeny percentage of people mess with their genitals and most of these people have partners. Everybody’s just kind of I feel okay with it. So that’s all I got about all this stuff.
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[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: The future of currency. Somebody was asking a panel I was on this morning, of some bullshitters and some people actually know what they’re talking about… I’m one of the bullshitters; if the dollar will remain the currency of record, what do you call it? I don’t know.
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: The reserve currency.
Rosner: The reserve currency into the future. And you can talk about whether it’ll stay the dollar or it turn into the yuan. But I would argue that around 100 years from now, the unit of value, which is not the same thing as the unit of currency, but the unit of value will be computing power. That civilization will turn so much to information processing and that it will become a resource that is measured, developed, hoarded, that it will become the prime index of value. Everything else will be measured versus that. And one more thing is that there maybe two indices of value based on that. One is the machinery to do a certain number of calculations per unit time. That’ll be one index in terms of servers, I guess. And petaflops; quadrillions of calculations per second. So the rate at which information can be processed but there’s also another index which is just the number of calculations that can be done and they may each be indices of value. Like, you might have a contract to do 10th to the 20t bit wise calculations and that might have a going rate in the year 2110.
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[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: Pete Davidson is going out with another very pretty woman, Emily Ratajkowski. She is a model turned actress and author. She’s the girl from Alan Thicke’s kid , like from 10 years ago or eight years ago ‘Blurred Lines.’ Anyway, this has caused a lot of consternation among men in an interesting way. Do you know Pete Davidson?
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I know him. I know the controversies in America around him. I am not surprised at these partnerships at all.
Rosner: All right, so women on Twitter will argue “Well of course he’s very successful at dating because he’s funny, he’s a nice guy” A rumor has it that he has a 10 inch dick or just some enormous penis; a rumor that has been reinforced by the theory that Kanye made all these anti-Semitic statements because, though I think he’s made him in the past too I don’t know, but because Pete Davidson is half Jewish and Kanye said that some Jew with a 10 inch dick is or was banging my ex or something like that. And everybody was thinking that’s Pete Davidson.
Women are all tweeting they can totally understand, that they would go out with Pete Davidson. And then men are very frustrated by this. They’re like “What the fuck?!” I would argue that it’s very frustrating to a lot of men that Pete Davidson does so well, A, because it’s not them doing so well but B, because Pete Davidson has things that are unattainable. When I first started trying to get a girlfriend I was during the pumping iron days of the mid late 70s and the understanding was if you got all muscle-y, girls would like you and that seemed detainable and was. It wouldn’t help you that much but it would help you some. But fucking being funny is, you can’t body build being funny. So guys look at Pete Davidson like he seems like a weirdo to me, whatever he’s got is ineffable, though they don’t know the word ineffable, to me I can’t do that. I can’t give myself a big penis if that’s what he’s like, if that’s part of the package. He just looks like a goofball to me and that just adds to the frustration because it doesn’t offer guys a clear path to sexual success.
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[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I’m going to leave this one to you.
Rick Rosner: Alright. So in your nicely appointed apartment you’ve assembled a small library of the religious beliefs of the world and I guess philosophical beliefs because you’re very interested in those belief systems and in the people who have those beliefs, right?
Jacobsen: Yes.
Rosner: All right. So I was thinking about, I’m trying to write this novel about a character who is at the forefront of brain replication technology, including developing the technology to replicate your brain to the point that you can keep on living and thinking after you’re dead that you can duplicate your brain’s function outside of your brain. And this guy is thinking it seems like it works to a certain extent. But I really hope we’re not just the fucking Egyptians with mummy technology all over again which goes to a lot of people believe in science now, and a lot of people would argue that science isn’t a belief system, it’s the truth. But even if it is the truth, it’s a fucking belief system; the belief that if you test reality through experimentation and observation to see what comports with reality, then that’s what you should believe in, that’s still a fucking belief system, even though it happens to be a very effective belief system.
And we’ve touched on this before, that we can’t imagine anything that goes beyond science. You look at everything else at that people believed historically that it’s all turned out to be supplanted by other belief systems that seem to make more sense. So just using history, you’d kind of have to think that something will supplant science. But then people who believe in science will be like “How?” science is you look for the truth, you find it through experiment and then you verify it and all that. Yes, science will probably be supplanted, but it might be supplanted by big data science that comes up with shit that doesn’t even fit in human heads, analysis that just requires so much information processing power plus data that it would almost seem like magic to humans. So, I mean, science will be supplanted or at least science will change just like everything else. Every other previous belief system has been supplanted, though not exactly like every other belief system because at least we’ve been trying to squeeze out the nonsense. So that’s thing one.
Thing two is even believing in our own continuity from moment to moment, day after day, is a belief system, the one we’ve evolved to have. We live in our bodies and in our minds and the path of least mental resistance is to think that the amount of information that we carryover ourselves, our personalities, that we carry through life, that this is a fine way of doing things is, you could call it an evolved belief system that’s culturally reinforced, that we tell each other we’re the same person throughout life. We have one name; we have the same property day after day, the same relationships. Everything reinforces that we’re the same person though if you look at us informationally, we’re the fucking ship the completely different ship after ten years because all the pieces eventually get replaced except it’s worse than that.
It’s just that, like, when we lose so much information over our lives and we tend to think that the information we lose is kind of trivial bullshit, that if it were important, we’d remember it. But how would we fucking know because we’ve forgotten it. Everybody’s had the experience of suddenly remembering something they hadn’t remembered in ten or 15 years. It’s like “Whoa, that’s really something interesting that I didn’t even remember I knew.” And you think that maybe that would have been handier within memory and it wouldn’t have taken this chance event to remind me of something that was kind of a big deal when it initially happened. We believe we’re resurrected on a daily basis when we wake up. And that’s fine, because not believing that would be a big pain in the ass. But it’s a belief system and the system what we’re believing in is far from perfect. And that is caused for optimism in developing the technology to resurrect ourselves, to be able to think outside our brains because if we could put up with the shittiness of our brains and all that we don’t recall, and our limitations of thought, we might be able to put up with the limitations of the technology we developed.
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[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: I mentioned that I thought there was bullshit going on with the polls. You’re not supposed to think that there’s bullshit going on with political polls, you’re supposed to believe that pollsters are trying their best using the best methodologies to get the most accurate picture of what’s going on. Then somebody can ask “Who gives a fuck? Just wait for the election to tell you what’s going on” And then people will say “No, you really want to pay attention to the polls to see which the close races are so you know where to direct your campaign money, your volunteering.” You don’t want to waste a lot of effort on an election that you’re going to lose by five percentage points when you could have put that effort into an election that only had a half percentage point difference that you could have overcome.
But several weeks ago, I and it turns out a shitload of other people decided that this time around the polls were bullshit, that conservative pollsters were flooding the field with more frequent and just a proliferation of conservative leaning polls that said that people were very quickly turning away from the Democrats and towards the Republicans. Other people and I were saying maybe this is a technique to demoralize the Democrats out of voting and so I and a bunch of other people started tweeting the polls are bullshit this time around and just keep voting Democratic and it turns out I and everybody else who decided this were right based on the election returns. There was not this Red Wave building up and the conservative pollsters were just being fuckers.
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[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Addendum.
Rick Rosner: It’s just crazy how young men like women and how old women like men; it’s crazy but not surprising.
Jacobsen: Yeah, it’s kind of like having two separate curves with the fair one being for men because it’s more gradual through an adult lifespan. It builds up, it peaks at a middle age, and then it sort of drops off. For women it’s kind of all the cards are at the start of the race.
Rosner: Yeah. No, it’s not fair. At the same time it’s okay if you use informed will and look at what makes you horny and then call it out and say “Yeah, that’s just my boner system that makes me act crazy and I don’t have to be a bitch to it. You don’t have to be Harvey Weinstein. Trump was maybe our rapiest president; you don’t have to do that. You can just feed off and avoid all the wreckage. When I tell people that, they say but for those people it’s not about sex, it’s about power and my response is so do without the power games. You can still do that and maybe it’s not as exciting to beat off to the internet as it is to manipulate Gwyneth Paltrow or Ashley Judd but you still don’t have to do it.
The joy in fucking with people that way, you don’t have to be that bad guy to the extent that your horniness engine is contributing to that, you can look at your horniness engine and say just fuck off a little bit. Guys have to get the jizz out but like we don’t have to be monsters in doing it.
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[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Okay, so, what was the topic, belief systems or dating?
Rick Rosner: Dating. We’re talking about like before you started taping that you just completely made your apartment like a grownups apartment. Like you decorated it, you made it all nice.
Jacobsen: Yeah.
Rosner: I bet you it’s like everything’s neat in there. There are not clothes thrown all over the place.
Jacobsen: Correct. I have systems. I organized and updated everything. I turned this place around in three quarters of a year. I worked very fast.
Rosner: Nice, and you put a lot of thought and effort into it. And when I was somewhat younger than you, but not a lot younger than you, I put zero effort into anything except trying to get a girlfriend/get laid.
Jacobsen: So we are not the opposite. However, you’re more forced and I’m more sort of just natural about it.
Rosner: Yeah and I would argue that the era I was trying to get laid in, 70s and 80s, was itself kind of pathologically horny. You were expected to be horny and have sex whenever possible. It was a hedonistic era, and I was obsessed with hooking up. I would argue that your stance and most people’s stance is not to go crazy pushing it. It’ll happen when it makes sense to happen just in the fullness of time. I used the example of somebody I know who kind of hooked up in a way that I thought might have been desperate as a very young, unpromising man with somebody who turned out to not be right. Well, they turned out to not be right for each other and then later he became very successful and met people who were appropriate for him in the fucking fullness of time instead of jumping on the first sexual hand grenade.
Jacobsen: [Laughting].
Rosner: And then you said there’s a study in the New York Times.
Jacobsen: There was a report on a study in the New York Times. There have been many reports on many major publications about some of the largest data samples available in online dating. The types of people who are attracted will be a self selected sample in some way. In other ways, the sample is so large it might simply be representative of the general population. What they find in some of these analyses of the data provided by these online dating apps is women peak in terms of attractiveness at 18, to men. So this appears to be a heterosexual analysis. Men, in complete contradistinction to this seem to peak at about 50. So there is an asymmetry it’s on the one factor of age.
Rosner: Brutal asymmetry where 18 is the youngest age you can even look at, like, pornographic pictures. If women peak in attractiveness at age 18, then you assume that they’re still pretty attractive when they’re younger than 18, but you can’t even legally look at them when they’re younger than18, which is crazy in terms of what our sex drive does to us. Men focus are focused via our sexual evolutionary history on just pure reproductive fitness. And so any signs of age are signs that fitness is being lost. It seems like a socio biological argument that women look at men as providers or people who, in more general terms, as people who can take on the world. When we were on the Savannah, provider meant something entirely different but there was still the idea that somebody who’s made it into their older years that may be as a result of competence.
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[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Okay, quick question. Do you think Aspartame is unhealthy or healthy?
Rick Rosner: It’s probably healthier than sugar. Years ago, when I started drinking lots of coffee with lots of fake sugar, I Googled this to see and as far as I could tell the jury’s out, it can’t be that bad because there would be studies that say it’s that bad. But I remember there were some equivocal studies that said that maybe, so that’s question one. Is it really bad for you? I don’t think so. It’s certainly bad when they give rats, their own body weight in it every day but we don’t consume it like that. Question two is, and I haven’t looked this up, but it does it have calories? I guess. But does it fool your body into doing weird shit with your blood sugar because it’s very sugar like? I doubt it but I haven’t looked it up but overall, I’d say among the things you could do to yourself health wise, it’s not up there in terms of being super terrible is my guess, my semi informed guess.
Jacobsen: Unlike a lot of the current kind of social landscape, trust institutions for the most part, those sorts of chemicals in foods especially in Canada are healthy, I would assume. And I would take Aspartame in diet pops as one of those. The only thing I would think that would actually be unhealthy would be excess intake of the diet pop in lots and lots of caffeine. Caffeine after a certain point can be bad for those with preexisting sort of cardiovascular issues.
Rosner: Yeah, but caffeine has all sorts of health benefits in normal doses. Like, a few cups of coffee a day is supposed to be pretty good for you.
Jacobsen: Yeah. Harvard Health in one web resource points up to ten cups is okay. That’s a lot.
Rosner: When I went from no coffee for my entire life to four cups in the afternoon to stay awake, a couple of times my heart got a little gallop-y. But again, that kind of stuff is not super dangerous. Anyway, I had free coffee at work. So when I had work and needed to stay awake, then I would drink coffee to the point where my heart got a little bit of A-fib-y, but that’s all right. Should we talk about this other thing?
Jacobsen: Quick research on Canada Health. Allegation: Aspartame is especially dangerous for persons with diabetes. Not supported by the evidence. This is according to a governmental Health Canada website. Allegation: Aspartame causes cancer and brain tumors; not supported. Causes seizures; not supported. Causes allergic reactions; not supported. The Methanol and Aspartame is toxic and lead to numerous health problems including lupus and blindness and also mimics multiple sclerosis; not supported. And it has calories, just very little calories.
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Rosner: It feels like it should be bad for you because it feels like you’re getting away with something with it, that you’re putting this chemical in you that trick your mouth into thinking shit is sweet, but it isn’t real. And so, I understand how it tempts lunatics into all sorts of dumb health beliefs that turn out not to be supported by research. And that’s a little bit the era we’re in.
Jacobsen: I agree.
Rosner: To expand on that right now, I assume since we’re part of the same continent, you got the same shit going on that we do. We have three respiratory diseases going on right now. COVID hasn’t gone away and it’s gradually heading up for its winter spike though more gradually than the previous two winters we’ve had it. We’ve got bad flu because everybody, not everybody, but enough people practiced reasonable health measures in the previous two winters that maybe we’ve got less immunity or maybe the flu is a tougher version, but flu is bad this year. And then we’ve got this other thing that’s infecting and killing kids, that’s also respiratory. Yet only 12% of the people in LA County have gotten boosted and LA County is not a big science denying lunatic place but we have all this shit and then we have all these fucking idiots who are practicing COVID denial and mask denial. So with that going on, it’s consistent with that kind of lunacy that people would freak out about fake sugar.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2022/10/30
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Rick Rosner: In U.S versus elsewhere?
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Yes, so I have a friend who left working for State media in China to come to Canada in their particular situation and describing it to me tonight over a call is that they felt it was very controlled. And I remarked that Chinese media, the way she was talking about sounded like American media to some commentators for people working for it or people that are just sort of paying attention a little bit to in terms of structural analysis. The Chinese media that she was mentioning is state media.
So there’s a lot of oversight and control and you don’t know whether your colleague really believes what they’re saying or not. There’s a lot of prefabrication of things rather than free flow honest journalism. For American media it’s not owned by the state, a lot of it is corporate and then there’s a lot of ideological stuff too. I mean Fox News is the kind of the easiest example of the Conservative side for instance. But the way she was talking about it when working for it, it sounded the same but the structural analysis would be different. So sort of the output or the process to getting the output seemed the same, the structure to get to that process, to get that output was different in each country but it’s still controlled.
Rosner: In the U.S right-wing media definitely has an objective which is to sell their message but let’s go to China which is I mean China is an entrepreneurial Communist dictatorship with the emphasis on entrepreneurial and dictatorship, that they want to be the dominant economic force in the world. Their policies which are exercised with dictatorial power are to get China to be this power. China has compelled its people to go from being rural to urban. China has more than 200 cities with more than a million people and a new city goes from under a million to over a million, I think like once a week they want to have some high percentage of their population living in cities by some date.
The U.S already has a lot of that where I think 80% of Americans live in at least a decent sized town. So China wants a bunch of people just making shit and developing shit in cities and where the making shit and the economic developing of shit conflicts with the party line. Maybe the party line wins but I don’t think those conflicts are a huge percentage of that… I mean people do run afoul of the government and there are plenty of shortcomings like medicine outside of the big cities maybe in cities can be unresponsive and people can be super pissed at some people getting good medical treatment and other people being neglected. And it’s like fuck you we’re a dictatorship and you take what you can get but I’m not real hip to that.
But anyway, there are plenty of worldwide websites probably like YouTube and Twitter and all that, that you can’t get in China because they’re used to sending messages the government might think is subversive and they have their own version of these that are highly policed. As long as you your efforts are directed in a in a direction that’s work in a factory or go to school get highly educated to be like entrepreneurial… not in the factories I mean factory work is where you’re living in a dorm and working I don’t know how many hours a week that that can be super oppressive but you are probably making pretty decent money for China but it’s still miserable. But if you’re somebody who’s a member of the ruling Bourgeois class, life in China is probably almost as nice as it is if you’re Bourgeois in America.
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In America the government doesn’t control the message but there are controls on the message depending on who the message is coming from. The Murdoch family, Rupert Murdoch who’s 90 is a multi-billionaire because he’s built this conservative news Empire and a it’s a symbiotic relationship between Murdoch and Republican politicians and billionaire donors and gullible viewers. Fox wants Republican politicians to win; Republican politicians want their billionaire donors to be happy. There are all these calculations you see articles on where a billionaire will give 50 billion dollars in an election cycle to run ads and then you see that over the next year the politicians that those ads elected save that billionaire 215 billion in taxes. So the billionaires have a lot of money to throw at this shit and it pays off for them. So there’s a very consistent message coming out of Fox because they make a shitload of money.
I’m sure Fox has divided, I don’t know that the billionaires are giving billions of dollars to Fox but everybody supports their business model and they’re able to pay their on camera talent like Hannity gets and fucking Tucker Carlson gets 30 to 35 million dollars a year. Fox is not obligated to be truthful, they’re only obligated to come up with takes on stuff that gets their viewers to vote the way they want them to vote. They’ve been sued, they’re being sued over this and in court they’ve claimed that they’re not officially a news channel even though their name is Fox News, that they are an entertainment channel and that any sophisticated viewer watching their products would know that you’re not to meant to take everything they say seriously, except their viewers aren’t sophisticated. The Republican party has for the last 50 years turned dumb people gullible people into a voting bloc because they’re easier to push around.
And then among non-Fox media, the emphasis is still on making money which is getting people to tune in which means they have all sorts of terrible habits in terms of what stories are covered and how they’re covered. This year the polls are political polls, seem to be particularly troublesome. I’ve read some articles that say that in the old days everybody had landlines, 20-30 years ago nobody had cell phones. You call people up on their home phones, ask if they want to do a survey and you might have a success rate at 25%. And now only one third of American households have landlines and when you call and people who still have them kind of hate answering the phone even though they still have a landline because every call is a nuisance call, a scam call, a cold call from some contractor, political calls and survey calls.
So the rate of success when a surveyor is calling landlines is as low as 0.4% which means they have to robocall 250 people to get one person to agree to take a survey which means to do an 800 person survey, they would have to make 200,000 robocalls which is just fucked for everybody because that means they’re annoying hundreds of thousands of people just to get 800. It also means that when you’re taking such a small fraction of the population, what kind of people are going to say yes to taking a 20-minute survey when the vast majority of everybody says no thank you, which raises the possibility that you’re talking to fucking lunatics or people with an agenda. So the polls have gotten increasingly unreliable.
In the polls, with eight days to go until the election, the percent of people who say they’re going to vote Republican and the people who are going to vote Democratic according to the polls are about 0.7% away from each other, which the news loves because everybody feels like they have to watch the news because the Republicans feel like the Democrats are evil and if they win they’re going to destroy America because that’s what Fox News right-wing outlets tell them. Democrats liberals feel legitimately based on the last six years that if Republicans get control that they actually will destroy America and the Republicans are not being quiet about this that they will let the U.S default on its debt which has never happened in history if the government doesn’t cut the Social Security and Medicare and just a lot of like blatant shittiness out of Republicans.
So everybody is afraid and pissed off and watching the news because there’s no clear advantage for one side or the other which the news likes and there’s more shit going on with the polls. The conservative polls are the polls that give you results that say the Republicans are doing better, are flooding the ballot box by releasing polls more frequently than other pollsters like Rasmussen has been doing two Biden approval polls a week. So when the poll aggregators aggregate average out all these polls, Rasmussen is twice as represented as the pollsters who only do weekly polls and eight times is represented as the monthly polls. So there’s a lot of bullshit going on. The messaging just has a lot of problems with it.
There’s both sides-ism where a lot of news sources try to present the Republicans and Democrats as equally bad which is bad because the Republicans are wildly worse than the Democrats. Oh! There’s a thing that just happened. The husband of the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, her husband Paul Pelosi was beaten up by a lunatic in his underpants with a hammer. He’s got a fractured skull and a mangled arm. This guy used the hammer to break into the Pelosi’s house at 2 a.m. or something. You look at the shit that this guy has posted online and he started off as a different flavor of lunatic, years ago like a nudist but in the last couple years he’s turned into a right wing lunatic based on what he’s been posting. When he busted in with the hammer he started yelling “Where’s Nancy? Where is Nancy?” So people on the left are taking this as a potential assassination attempt on Nancy Pelosi based on who he was asking for and based on just Occam’s razor, a crazy guy who’s been posting right-wing shit, breaks in and he’s been charged with attempted murder. He really fucked up Nancy Pelosi’s husband who’s 82 years old.
So that’s what reasonable news sources are saying. Right-wing news sources are saying it may have been a lover’s quarrel because apparently and I’m not sure if this is true, but that’s what they’re saying. Paul Pelosi was in his underwear because it was 2 a.m. and a lot of people sleep in their underwear. So they’re saying well both guys were in their underwear, the other guy was in his underwear because he’s a nudist. So they’re saying it must have been a lover’s quarrel or they’re saying false flag or they’re saying male prostitute and let’s see what else. Others say like when the 82 year old guy managed to sneak in, I called a 9-1-1 on the phone and was somehow talking and saying my friend here. So the right- wing’s saying he knew the guy because he called him his friend which is also retarded because if a guy’s attacking you with a hammer or maybe has stopped attacking you with a hammer for a minute, you might call them your friend because you don’t want him to start hitting you with a hammer again.
Fox News has said it’s because the Democrats are soft on crime, is saying why didn’t they have better security, it’s all very suspicious. So it’s like this incident which has a fairly clear and reasonable interpretation has sparked this avalanche of a ridiculous bullshit from the right-wing pundits. I mean it’s just like senseless bullshit. So that takes us back to both sides-ism where a lot of so supposedly objective media tries to talk to Republicans spokespeople and Democratic spokespeople but the Republican spokespeople spew crazy bullshit that they don’t call them on because they want to keep these new shows like Meet the Press, want to keep getting these people to come on their shows. And if they called people who are being full of shit and fucking liars, fucking liars they might stop getting them on the shows. So U.S media is a mess.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2022/10/30
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: This is an addendum to yesterday, please continue.
Rick Rosner: Which was on following through…
Jacobsen: [Laughing] continue.
Rosner: All right. So I thought of one more huge area where I’m obsessive, which I guess falls under following through and that’s working out. I haven’t missed working out for a day, I haven’t skipped a day in 31.77 years and I’ve averaged 4.69 workouts a day over that period which, if it were one a day would be roughly a hundred and 48 years worth of daily workouts. So like, today I’m five sets into my third workout, so I have to get to at least 12 sets for this one and then I still have to do two more, which can be oppressive but I don’t allow myself to do fewer than five workouts a day lately over the past eight years. I think I’ve fallen asleep before the fifth workout three or four times in the past eight years but I think no times in the past five years. So that’s wildly obsessive to the point where my kidney numbers are often not good because the more working out you do the more muscle waste you generate and that’s how they calculate your kidney function.
It doesn’t mean that my kidneys are terrible, just means that the easy way that they calculate kidney function doesn’t work very well for me. So there you go; following through. But I fall down on a lot of stuff, the following through has to fit within my fear of obsessive compulsiveness. My dad had OCD; he’s involved keeping records, he’d never throw anything away from his CPA practice, walked around with 40 pens, a blazer would have two inside and two outside pockets and he’d put about 10 pens in each pocket. Right angles; he’d make sure everything all his papers were lined up at right angles. He had an office building and his papers would take over room after room especially as he became a sole proprietor but everything in these rooms even as the stacks overflowed onto chairs and the floor, everything would be oriented at right angles.
Now Carole is like a conscientious follow through-er, she follows through on the shit that people actually care about. She doesn’t like to let people down and she likes to do a good job. She’s worked at her current high school for a little over a year; she worked at a high school previous to that for about three years. Education is not a field that that attracts overly responsible people, maybe it does at the college level when you’re going for tenure, but a lot of people who end up teaching, ends up teaching because they’re a little bit lazy. It could be like working in a bar where you just kind of drifted into it and there you are, which means that she is the most responsible person in her office which tends to weigh on her because then everybody goes to her with everything. This is a fancy expensive liberal high school and that means the parents and the kids are pretty demanding and a lot of these demands just default to her because people learn that she’s the one who will get shit done.
She doesn’t like that aspect of the job that the job keeps expanding because she’s very competent and conscientious but she does really like doing a good job and I’m a beneficiary of that because she makes dinner most nights and really won’t let me make dinner much, maybe once a year.
Jacobsen: [Laughing] what do you make?
Rosner: The only thing I can really make, I mean I don’t do recipes but I can make an omelet, I can make scrambled eggs, I could boil pasta if need be. They used to make these ready-made meals at the grocery, like 15 bucks for a meal for two, it would give you all the ingredients and you just follow the instructions and whip it up. I could do one of those. I could follow a simple recipe but generally when I cook for myself, it’s not really cooking; it’s taking a can of chicken soup and throwing all the leftovers in the refrigerator into the can of soup.
It may be that Carole’s ultra conscientious because she feels like her parents kind of fell down on the job, not her dad as much as her mom. She feels like she didn’t get enough of what she wanted from her mom and this continues because her mom now suffers from early dementia and even if she were ever capable of not frustrating Carole, that time is gone. I think Carole has reacted by becoming a person who gives people what they want or what she thinks they would want if she were them, which is just paying attention to people and doing right by them.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2022/10/29
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Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So I’m going to ask you what’s your experience in all your 60 plus years with follow through and not on any and all aspects of life projects whatever?
Rick Rosner: All right, so my follow through is spotty. I think that this might be something that is more likely to happen among high IQ people than people who don’t have super high IQs. People are always expecting super high IQ people for shit to be correlated with that like if you’re so smart why aren’t you a billionaire or like why haven’t you done this or that or whatever and studies, I don’t know if they’re good studies or what they are but that above an IQ of like in the 130s fucking IQ doesn’t correlate with higher instances of anything; happiness, success, or sanity. Somebody with an IQ 160 is going to have the same degree of same roughly life experience, like the odds that this person does shit or experiences shit is the same at 160 is at 120.
But I would say that going off into weird little cul-de-sacs might be something that is correlated with a higher IQ. I mean it’s certainly something you hear about with high functioning autistic people. There are a certain number of those people among high IQ people. When I went on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire in the year 2000, they asked me a question that was factually flawed, that was missing the correct answer which I didn’t know in the seat. I took my best shot and I got it wrong according to what their answers were and then later I found out they fucked up the question; their research was shitty. I also found out that eight other people had been invited back on the show because they fucked up their question. And none of these people knew the actual correct answer when they were in the chair because you’re just a fucker in the chair answering questions while they have a whole research department on a show that at the time was making a billion dollars a year in ad revenue. They could afford to get shit right but in my case they said fuck you. You can tell I’m still a little bit obsessed.
Jacobsen: Yes.
Rosner: I wrote them a shitload of letters and they said fuck you and so I sued them. They claimed that the phrasing of the question got them off the hook; they claim that they were asking for a different thing than the question was asking for. I’ve written for quiz shows and I looked at a 110,000 questions asked on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire around the world, I taught myself enough of each language or used whatever shitty translating shit they had in the year 2000. And then in the year 2001, once I filed suit to translate enough of these questions to look at them and see that they were full of shit, that the phrasing of the question absolutely meant what I thought it meant. They were asking for the absolute highest elevation Capital City among the world’s National capitals and this was part of the lawsuit but I looked at a 110,000 questions. That’s nearly 2 million words worth of questions.
And so that’s crazy obsessive. If you’re asking about follow through that’s fucking follow-through. Another instance of follow-through was I got hired to work on a show, as a writer by the network that I was suing. Jimmy Kimmel staffed me on his show and in the middle of all this I’m suing ABC and it’s an ABC show. So I became obsessed with doing a good job on that show and I would not let myself leave the office at night until I turned in 10 pages of material.
Jacobsen: That’s a lot of writing.
Rosner: Its insanity and it was very annoying to Jimmy Kimmel because like not all of it could have been good. I wrote a lot of pitches of like we could do this or we could do that. I mean I wish I could go back in time now that I know everything about writing jokes and writing for late night and I mean I’m a better writer now than I’ve been fired by Jimmy Kimmel for eight years than I was back then when I was turning in 10 pages a night. So that’s insane follow-through to the point where it really was just hurting how they thought of me at my job.
When I was checking IDs in bars, I loved checking IDs. I loved catching people with fake IDs and I developed a whole methodology; a Bayesian methodology where people got to sign points based on various characteristics they either had or didn’t have. Like, they don’t know what year they graduated high school; that’s three points. They don’t know their zodiac sign; that’s 5 points. 7 points and above and I could feel statistically confident that they had a fake ID. All sorts of characteristics like fed into this point model and I had to be able to card 95% of everybody within 10 seconds or less because otherwise you piss off customers. So I had this whole fucking insane methodology. I taught it to the cops in my hometown.
At one point I was working in three bars. So I would work like three months with no nights off out of my love of working in bars; that just insane follow-through. I had a display box built out of clear Plexiglas that I hung in the bar next to where I carted people in Brentwood, California across from the restaurant where Ron Goldman worked. He was the guy who got his throat also slashed by O.J Simpson and he was working out of that restaurant. So anyway, the bar I worked in there was across from the whole fucking OJ deal but I had a fake ID display case where if we caught an ID I would just throw it in the case, there’s your ID it’s in the case, because I thought this would act as a deterrent. People will say “Oh you’re going to get fucked if you come here with your fake ID” because that was a fancy neighborhood and the bar was there before the neighborhood became fancy or as fancy as it was. And so they were always calling with complaints and we were always getting undercover liquor control cops hanging out trying to bust us for any fucking little thing.
So not letting people in with fake IDs was kind of a big deal. And so my obsession happened to line up with what the bar needed. So that was okay though I was fired from another bar, The Ore house for taking the ID thing too far. Another follow-through; I didn’t think I gave myself the best high school experience I could have had. So I went back to high school once to see if I could do it right when I was 18. So it wasn’t as creepy as when I went back at age 26 though at age 26 I wasn’t going back to give myself a good high school experience I just thought it would be a good place to sit and think about the structure of the universe. There you go, that’s not as much follow through as it is obsession. And then there are other things where I just haven’t followed through at all like I’ve been writing a book for 35, 40, 45 years. Have I gotten a book published? No. Do I write on the book every day? I should but fucking I don’t. So, bad follow-through. My wife has the highest level of everyday follow-through of anybody I’m aware of. Nowadays, people don’t ghost only people, they also ghost responsibility. The way we live our lives now, people have become increasingly ghosty.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2022/10/28
[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: An AI generated, machine learning generated art is art where the subject is generated by the user, a human who types in a prompt ‘show me Jared Leto as Jesus on the cross in the style of Frank Frazetta’. So you get a muscle-y Jared Leto in a little fucking loincloth nailed to a cross. So the machine didn’t think “I’m going to do that,” you told the AI what to render. So anyway it’s the artist but you’re the client. So the AI is working from a huge ass database the same way Google Translate is working from a huge database that it develops networks of pseudo understanding within. I’m sure the AI notices statistical trends that the words bait and a lot of the time in certain contexts is followed by the word switch and it doesn’t know what bait and switch means, though it maybe develops of statistical correlation kind of Watson style with words like fraud.
If Google Translate is translating something and somebody’s writing you committed fraud, you did a bait and switch on me and they want to translate it into Chinese, Google translate will have all these contextual clues, it’s bait and switch and not bait and a fishing rod or something like that because from the context. So anyway, big data plus all sorts of correlations gives the AI a pseudo understanding. It’s fake understanding because it’s not embedded in consciousness but at the same time it’s got a kind of a statistical Stochastic Bayesian basis that’s similar to a lot of our understanding. And all this is said without me ever having taken a class in this shit, so I doubt my heads up my ass but it could be. Anyway, we have big data understandings of shit in entertainment that previous generations did not have.
So this guy named James Gunn was just named creative director of the DC Universe for movies. From now on he’s going to be the head honcho in charge of any movie that is made at whatever fucking Studio, I guess it’s Warner Brothers who has the right to make DC movies and I was just thinking how crazy this is because James Gunn is a creatively crazy person. He did The Suicide Squad which is the second; I think the first movie was just Suicide Squad. I think this one has a ‘the’ in it but anyway it’s the second Suicide Squad movie. Suicide Squad is a set of DC super villains who’ve been kind of recruited and coerced to fight for good but they’re all fucking weirdos and assholes.
The first Suicide Squad movie was not great, you could get through it but Harley Quinn is probably the most famous member of The Suicide Squad. She started out as the Joker’s psychiatrist and then he seduced her and then did a bunch of stuff that drove her insane. So now she is an insane super anti-hero her own self. She’s been in three movies at least. The Suicide Squad, the second one, the good one by James Gunn is a great movie and it is so fucked up. It’s got all these fucked up superheroes that have… Have you seen this movie? I doubt it.
Jacobsen: No.
Rosner: All right. Well, it’s got King Shark; basically it’s a guy with shark skin and a shark head and he’s ferocious. He’ll eat anything and he’s indestructible because of his shark skin but he’s an idiot because he’s a shark. The Suicide Squad is being briefed on their mission by Viola Davis, who’s this very sinister leader of the government. So she’s the man and she’s taking questions from the all these fucked up superheroes and they’re raising their hands or just yelling out questions. And then King Shark raises his hand and he’s voiced by Sylvester Stallone in Stallone’s stupidest voice, raise his hand, Viola Davis calls on him and he goes “Hand” He just wanted to show he knew what his hand was called and it’s fucking delightful. He’s got a whole character art, he learns how to make friends and love and rat catcher number two becomes his friend. We find out what happened to rat catcher number one and she has a rat light that she shines it and it gathers like a quarter million rats from all corners of wherever she is and they become an overwhelming force and it’s all fucked up and it’s really filthy and it’s very bloody and it’s just insane.
If you took it back in time to 1955 and showed it to a movie audience there would be panic and bedlam and 80% of the audience would run out in horror and loathing and people would vomit and only the few weirdos would have be able to withstand the barrage of weirdness and perversity. We like this shit now because we have a huge fucking database. We’ve seen fucking everything and so we need entertainments now that are broke, that are just complicated, are based on everybody knowing everything and like inside jokes based on just everything. Not just inside jokes but like Bill Simmons; he was a sports writer who now sits atop a production Empire; he makes shows for ESPN and who knows where else. He did a documentary on the most recent Woodstock which happened just a few years ago and which was even more of a cluster fuck than the original Woodstock.
He’s probably worth a hundred million dollars now and he started off as a sports writer and his ticket to great success was, he realized that people who read about sports know about a lot of other shit. Until him sports writers, to the extent that they used analogies at all, they used analogies from sports. They assumed that anybody who was a sports fan knew a lot. A baseball fan knew a lot about baseball and maybe quite a bit about of football and maybe some about basketball. Simmons realized you can take analogies, you can use shit from Buffy the Vampire Slayer to explain a situation in sports that the people who are avid consumers of entertainment, and sports counts as entertainment, consume all this other shit and you can use everything to inform everything and he became America’s most entertaining sports writer. Then he was recruited by Kimmel to write for Kimmel because this guy looks at a sports writer who’s not really a sports writer anymore and says you would be good at coming up with shit for my late night show, which he kind of was but he lasted probably a year or a year and a half on that.
Anyway, he went on to build an Empire based on everybody knowing everything and in order to make decent entertainment now, unless you’re going to do some fucking sensitive slow paced thing about a lady who works at the post office, whose post office is closing down because it’s in a very small town after a 100 years the U.S postal is trying to save money; that’s a movie I watched and I enjoyed but it was a very slow movie and it had no insight, unless you’re into one of those sensitive fucking movies. If you’re doing a blockbuster it has to be knowing and baroque and fucking insane to give people shit that they haven’t seen yet. It’s like that art that gets spit out of all those AI art making apps now that is very quickly learning every visual reference and combining them in ways that make people go fucking A.
So, what I’m saying is this guy, this James Gunn guy who seems like a very nice guy, I follow him on Twitter, he got canceled for a while because he made some unfortunate jokes on Twitter 10 years ago. Then he apologized like crazy and said he might have made a couple jokes about pedophilia, which you could do 10 years ago. There’s an old man in Family Guy who’s always trying to lure the young boys in town into like a secluded place and it’s funny because it’s so creepy. But even Family Guy, I’m not sure, if it were a new show and I’m not sure they could do that now. Anyway, this guy who is not just a lunatic, he’s a very smart business person who has a finely tuned instinct for fucked up-ness and that’s a crazy thing, that it should be an asset in business knowing how to find stuff that’s novel and fucked up.
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Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen and Rick Rosner
Publication (Outlet/Website): Ask A Genius
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2022/10/18
[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: I sent you four pieces of art which you have not seen. The subject line to the emails was something like AI or human made? Guess what? It turns out all four are developed by or made by AI, complete originals.
Rick Rosner: AI responding to verbal prompts.
Jacobsen: Text prompts that I put in myself.
Rosner: You type in some words and it goes to town and if you’re a skilled user of these AI art makers, you go through various iterations till you get a final product that strikes you as a place you wanted to arrive at; a nice piece of art.
Jacobsen: Yeah, and I sent you three horses of different types and one topless woman.
Rosner: And I’m sure they’re fucking great. I’ll go look at them and I’ll be very impressed because I did the same thing. I tried one of these things but I’m no good at it yet. I used one of the cheap ones and I don’t know how to iterate it.
Jacobsen: They’re already at version two of some of them. So the second generation has already come along. So they’re higher definition, they’re more accurate.
Rosner: The ones you pay for, you buy tokens and the tokens you spend them on works on and you get a piece of art and it’s like pretty good but then you spend another token to get it to take that piece of art and refine it further and these images are all over Twitter and I assume over all other visual social media people are sending them to each other and going fucking A because they’re very impressive and I was thinking of this art among the delights of tech that will be irresistible in the future.
Jacobsen: But they have this thing like, I sent you the topless woman one because if you put like naked women or breasts or a naked man or whatever or something like that, it’ll develop the image or just before it does it’ll go ‘error occurred’ and so somehow people developing these programs have the idea that they’ve developed an objective smutometer that can measure the amount of smut on something and say you’re not allowed to see that. So I took a screenshot from my phone to show you it can develop them and well and then it tells you error occurred.
Rosner: And then what? It blurs them out?
Jacobsen: No, it just cancels it out.
Rosner: So it was working on a thing and then it hit a certain level of corniness and it cut out.
Jacobsen: No, it shows you full on and then it goes ‘oh no’ and then it stops.
Rosner: Okay so people on Twitter were talking about how to dance around such prohibitions and apparently there is like that system that doesn’t want to show you what it doesn’t want to show you. People who are good at making the verbal prompts say that “Just add two words to your prompt” The prompt that got you a troublesome image, just add a couple meaningless words to it and it’ll give you the fucking piece of art almost exactly the way it was without the couple other words and somehow you’ve danced around it. It won’t give you like racist images for instance or something. I don’t know there was something that it didn’t want to give somebody and that somebody found a workaround. And then obviously what’s going to happen is somebody will develop one of these art makers specifically for porn and that porn will be some of the porn-iest porn that humanity has ever seen once people learn how to wield that tool.
Jacobsen: They have apps in some of these newer generations of them. You can upgrade and make videos.
Rosner: I’ve seen little snippets of that stuff too. All this stuff is not irresistible the way Tik-Tok is irresistible because it’s fucking art and people couldn’t give a shit sometimes, but some version of AI make like porn for instance, the porn that will be made with AI iterate tools like this will be irresistible. Among the naked picture stuff I look at are some cartoon images. I know like Adam Carolla would say I’m a fucking baby for jacking off to cartoons. Corolla likes jacking off to busty ladies in their 30s, that’s just his deal but he kind of makes fun of people who have immature tastes like he calls it the yummy phase; we’ve talked about it that people who never outgrew liking stuff that’s sweet, never learned to like the taste of beer or whiskey or cigars and I assume that Corolla’s tasted porn, he’d consider part of his mature developed tastes maybe. So yeah I’ve been known to look at muddy cartoons and there are some of them that go under the header like 3D cartoons in a space.
Its art that’s as made as realistic looking with the flesh, body shapes, and contours as it can be made. It’s one of those things that were no good, just in the uncanny valley 10 years ago. This stuff is too creepy to like and then eight years ago it was it was okay and now the images as you’re seeing are pretty freaking realistic and we’ll only get more so.
Jacobsen: Yes, I mean they work from Pixel up. So any next generation with more computing power and more sophisticated sort of neural nets simply be better more robust or more accurate especially around really nuanced things like hands and faces.
Rosner: Yeah. My kid is an expert on 17th century needlework. So I tried and my prompt was robot family in the style of a 17th century needlework sampler. Robot family was fine. Obviously a lot of people from the AI is very familiar with robots and families and maybe even robot families but the needlework was for shit. It didn’t look 17th century; it looked like very primitive like a child’s a needle point kit from the 1970s; primary colors and blocky shapes and no subtlety. So obviously the AI, it has less of a database for embroidery or for samplers.
Anyway, once the AI gets a big enough database for all these different things like for hands, like six years ago I started messing around with an app called This Is Not A Person, which is an AI that continually uses machine learning to get better and better when I first started making faces of people who weren’t real on that thing, it had trouble with teeth it had trouble with earlobes, it had trouble with earrings and it had trouble with glasses. It put glasses on a lot of people but the glasses often didn’t make sense, they’d have like parts that just kind of ended nowhere and if they were real glasses they’d fall apart because they had parts that weren’t connected. I haven’t looked at it in a few months. Last time I looked it was fine on teeth, I think fine on glasses, fine on earlobes, still might be fucking up earrings and still has a big problem with backgrounds probably because backgrounds could be fucking anything. They don’t have to be part of a body or something. Just anybody can stand in front of anything. So the AI still does shitty backgrounds.
But with hands or with anything else you could talk about in art, once its database gets large enough and its interpretation of the database gets sophisticated enough, then you’ll get some really fucking great looking hands, like once it understands the relationship and understands is not the right word. I don’t know because that implies consciousness and this shit isn’t conscious yet but once it gets how hands work, how the flesh drapes, how the tendons work under the skin, how blood pumping through flesh gives makes it pinkish except where maybe it’s veins, etc. All these different things that we kind of intuitively know after a lifetime of looking at hands, we’ve developed our own algorithms and understandings for what makes a realistic hand without even knowing what our understanding of hands really consists of. AI will do that same shit and you’ll get really good looking hands and anything else. Once the AI sees enough samplers; 3000 of them or 15 000 of them, it’ll start giving, I don’t know how it like gets those images, and it’ll be a little tougher for shit like 17th century samplers because I’m not sure that there are 15000 of them remaining in the world. It’ll be part of its net of knowledge and it’ll start doing it halfway decent job, maybe not as good a job as ‘make me a car’ because there’s just more reference material.
[Recording End]
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[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: So we were just talking about coffee makers and then he said they were up Lord of the Rings and then he said I don’t like old things.
Rick Rosner: I don’t like stuff set in the middle ages or in middle age equivalent. I think we just saw the new Lena Dunham movie which is set in the 14th century but has modern enough sensibilities that I liked it.
Jacobsen: Okay, so I added my own perspective and tastes which are I like old things but new values, well I like new things too. I just like new values but I like old things.
Rosner: Yeah, I like new values too but my wife and I kind of collect these mini mosaics.
Jacobsen: That’s the kind of thing I’m talking about where it’s like because your big thing is mosaics. I still have to mail back to you.
Rosner: I still owe you; I need to mail you something.
Jacobsen: Yeah, that’s true.
Rosner: It’s a weird feeling because micro mosaics are a product of the Catholic Church and A, I’m Jewish and B, the Catholic church has acknowledged it’s done some bad stuff historically and pretty recently. So, it’s a weird thing that I’m buying these products that were made in Rome. I bought my wife a couple crucifixes. So I got a deal on one because the Jesus had fallen off which was fine with us because as Jews we don’t believe that Jesus is the deity. But yeah it’s weird. Our kid is an expert in women’s art of the past so she’s constantly looking at stuff created by people who are subjugated by the deep sexism of the past. So yeah, I get the problem between the values of the past and the things of the past.
Jacobsen: Yeah it’s the idea of older music I like a lot. Those things are the rubric of classical music. I don’t necessarily mean the Box, the Beethovens, and the Mozarts. I mean more obscure ones like Orlando Gibbons, these are sort of the piano and sort of harpsichord and such. I like that stuff yet I don’t like the sexism of the time, I don’t like the slave master relations of the time, I don’t like the lack of democratic values, I don’t like the lack of freedom of association and expression at the time; those sorts of things. I don’t like the lack of universalism, I don’t like religion as a political tool or a superstition, and I don’t like the lack of empiricism; those sorts of things.
Rosner: The Conservatives use that to try to set up culture wars here. Are you familiar with American culture wars?
Jacobsen: I am Canadian; I’m one of the Canadians aware of the death of the culture wars in the United States.
Rosner: Okay, but maybe for people who aren’t, the deal is that Republicans can be taken to task for their policy positions and their votes on stuff. The major so-called accomplishment of the Trump presidency was a massive tax cut for billionaires and stacking the courts with unqualified and super Trumpy judges. And then he politicized Covid, led to the most unemployed Americans in history. Covid is the deadliest event in U.S history having killed as many people as all our wars combined. So it’s tough for Republicans to campaign on their policies. So what they like to do is distract from the consequences of their shitty governance with culture war issues. If Democrats are allowed to govern then your kid is going to go trans and going to want to cut off his dick and turn into a girl and one of the culture war cudgels is trying to rile people up because progressives don’t want statues of Confederate War figures in public anymore. Those figures, those statues weren’t put up immediately after the Civil War, they were put up in the late 19th early 20th century; 30-40 years after the Civil War as a reminder to black people among other things to watch yourselves that we’re still around and we’re still going to maintain dominance.
Biden just announced that army bases will no longer be named after Confederate generals. And Conservatives like to say that we’re going to cancel Lincoln and that we’re canceling Thomas Jefferson and Washington because they had slaves. We canceled Columbus because it turns out Columbus was a terrible guy, he was even pretty much fired by the people who financed him after several expeditions because he was treating the natives so badly. But Conservatives are saying everybody’s going to be canceled because nobody from the past can live up to the standards of the present and it’s just a horseshit issue designed to distract people from Republican awfulness. Columbus Day in America has been changed to Indigenous people’s day which seems to me reasonable.
[Recording End]
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[Recording Start]
Rick Rosner: There’s a novel, it’s more than 20 years old now; it spends a long time, hundreds of pages talking about the two Americas of the near future; Jesus Land and the Tech Land. It’s called ‘The Rapture of the Nerds’ by Cory Doctorow and Charles Stross. It’s their version of what happens when a big chunk of the population just sinks into G Evangelistic lunacy and politically conservative lunacy. This is even before Trump. And then in Neal Stephenson’s ‘Fall’, his novel before last, spends a little bit of time, maybe 30 pages in a fallen part of America where all the fallen lunatics live.
We could talk more about that whether those visions are accurate next time we talk.
[Recording End]
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[Recording Start]
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Well, you want to talk about the world getting dumber and I want to kind of start that off with sort of late stage IQ. You’ve made this point originally I think. The idea that IQ as a cultural item has decreased over time in terms of psychology and stuff you’ll be using it for measuring certain things. It’s bare but it’s just not as important to most people most of the time anymore.
Rick Rosner: People don’t find it as useful as people 50 years ago did.
Jacobsen: Yes, even 20 years ago.
Rosner: Yeah. One reason is because we’re more aware of racism and other issues that might make IQ methodologies suspect but really I’m guessing the main reason is that people leave so many traces of themselves on social media and elsewhere, that we don’t need as many clues like IQ to help figure out what they’re about. If you’re looking at hiring somebody you’d be an idiot not to look at their social media. I’ve tweeted now over a hundred thousand times and working with you, we have more than a million words online and with the Lance we’ve got more than 200 hours of us arguing. So if somebody wants to know about me, you’ll find if you Google me but somebody else with as many traces online as I have, you wouldn’t need to know their IQ, you could just figure out what they’re about by just like reading up on them.
You and I started talking sometime in 2014 and at the time I believe that the smart phone, I think came out in 2008 maybe. So it hadn’t been out that long and we feel like we’ve had smart phones forever now and we forget what it was like before them. They were new back then and there were people who were doing all sorts of stupid shit because they have these amazing phones, mostly walking while looking at their phones. We’re used to that shit now; driving while texting, all that shit. I was of the belief that even though we were seeing stupid behavior from people with smart phones, that overall and eventually they would make people smarter having access to all the information in the world and all these apps that give you more power in the world, like ways that just help you navigate. Now, its eight years since we started talking.
Ever since Trump, a huge segment of the U.S population has seemingly become inextricably believers in bullshit, just unpersuadable jackasses. You could argue that just because people believe stupid shit doesn’t mean they’re stupid. But I see the social media products of these people and these people, I believe, many of them, the loudest ones of them; the people who are active on social media pushing Trumpy type stuff are indeed on average stupider based on not just what they believe but their syntax and grammar and spelling.
I know that phones will fuck you up, that if you’re unconscientious about just talking and speaking a tweet into a phone and just publishing it as is, it’ll go out with dumb errors but beyond that the Trumpy people are stupider. Now we’ve talked before about how you can believe a bunch of nonsense as most of the people through history have because we didn’t have the factual the data, the scientific evidence to not believe nonsense about the larger issues of the world but you could believe a lot of nonsense about big philosophical religious issues and still be quite smart in dealing with everyday things. If you’re a shoemaker you can be a smart shoemaker, if you’re a farmer you can be a smart farmer, etc.
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And yeah you may believe in this weird religious and you may fully embrace 14th century Catholicism because that might be the best philosophical system that you have access to and even though a lot of its nonsense, you can be smart in everyday life but when you look at Trumpy people they look and act as if a lot of them aren’t overly smart in everyday life. I mean like the people who show up at Trump rallies are clearly lunatics or idiots. In American society there are probably more lunatics overall because there are more forces making people embrace lunacy.
We’ve talked before about being part of a real living human community; part of a small town or a neighborhood where you get feedback from people and if you believe a bunch of stupid shit, people will call you on it but now people get more input from their selected media which can drown out community input or turn entire communities into idiots and lunatics. So to that extent people have gotten stupider since we’ve started talking with each other, not everybody but a huge chunk of American society. And then we can look at the implications of that as the rest of the world gets smarter because people who embrace technology in a way that makes them smarter, which you can definitely do, are limited.
I was just watching an episode of The Vow, Season Two, which is the HBO doc on Keith Raniere and NXIVM. This episode had interviews with people who got out of the cult and recognized it as a cult and people who left the cult because it fell apart because Raniere is in prison for life. But who maintain relationships with other people who were part of NXIVM and I guess there were adjunct junked organizations and who still believe in the claimed enterprise of NXIVM; it reminds me a lot of scientology which is human optimization which in itself is not a terrible or ridiculous thing. It’s just bad when bad people are doing it. Scientology’s pretty bad organization but I believe it’s possible to get positive effects from scientology for some people, if you take the right lessons, if you don’t let yourself be exploited. It’s tricky and maybe not the norm but human optimization is a not terrible individual objective. It may have been possible for people who had like glancing contact with NXIVM without going full cult to have gotten some benefits because when people think about how to adjust your attitudes and approaches to the world, they often come up with reasonable ideas about how to do that even as the their organizations sink into corruption and perversion.
But counter to all this is that we’re all just humans and have the same physical and mental equipment as dictated by our genes that humans did 90,000 years ago. Now we can optimize what we can do with that equipment but it’s still human and limited and the people in America who’ve been turned into idiots and lunatics certainly haven’t optimized themselves. It’s a bad time to not have optimized yourself, to have turned yourself into an idiot because beings in the world are coming who will be better than human, who will be technologically and biologically optimized to have better skills than just regular people who aren’t augmented.
[Recording End]
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