Conversation with Marc Roberge on Navigating the Margins of Existence (2)

Scott Douglas Jacobsen
In-Sight Publishing, Fort Langley, British Columbia, Canada

Correspondence: Scott Douglas Jacobsen (Email: scott.jacobsen2025@gmail.com)

Received: February 22, 2025
Accepted: N/A
Published: February 22, 2025

Updated: February 23, 2025

Abstract

In this in-depth conversation, Scott Douglas Jacobsen interviews Marc Roberge, whose reflective insights traverse themes of life’s margins, the evolution of thought and identity, and the interplay of science, philosophy, and personal struggle. Roberge weaves together historical perspectives—from Democritus and Heraclitus to modern astrophysics—with personal narratives of mental health, familial relationships, and the burdens of expectation. His candid discourse challenges conventional ideas about progress, reason, and the nature of existence, urging readers to consider the spaces between certainty and chaos.

Keywords: Bipolar Disorder, Heuristics, Identity, Life Lessons, Margins, Mental Health, Regression Obsession, Science and Philosophy

Introduction

This interview captures a candid conversation with Marc Roberge, whose intellectual journey—marked by philosophical musing and personal adversity—offers a window into the intersections of science, art, and existential inquiry. Born in 1970, Roberge reflects on the shaping forces of life, drawing on both historical narratives and the raw immediacy of personal experience. The discussion spans topics as diverse as the geometry of ideas, the evolution of human consciousness, familial bonds, mental health challenges, and the relentless pace of modern technological advancement.

Main Text (Interview)

Interviewer: Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Interviewee: Marc Roberge

Section 1: Opening Reflections on Life and Learning

Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Being born in 1970, what do you see as the main lessons in the first half of life?

Marc Roberge: 

1. Shrinking Margins — they frame our ideas, discourse, and experiences. A 2.23” border around an 8.5”x11” page makes for a text-to-space ratio of ~1.618:1, the Golden Ratio and proper guardrail against homogeneity. Current standards are <1”. These are the narrowing battlegrounds of ideas where individuals can directly engage with authority, providing there’s room left to swing a pen. In all affairs, private and public, we must guard against the erosion of our margins — those of ideas, tolerance, patience, experimentation, et al. Otherwise…

Section 2: Regression Obsession and the Evolution of Thought

2. Regression Obsession — Bodily, we are products of evolution, yeah? Next to bipedalism and opposable thumbs, most would agree that our greatest trick, and still one of the most confounding to us, is the neocortex. Those who maintain that we were instantiated through some divine means must nonetheless concede that reason, language (communication), memory, and awareness, are chief among the sundry refinements our neocortex brings to the limbic regardless of origin. From a religious or ideological standpoint, I read any concession of our reasoning faculty and failure to scrutinize as an insult and affront to whichever creator is paid fealty, or innovator credited. Where and when are we asked to suspend our disbelief? Works of fiction, of course. In the immortal words of Gemini P-Orridge, our ‘identity is fictional, written by parents, relatives, education, society’, as was theirs, and so on. Our identity— our beliefs, perceptions, culture, language, knowledge, — describe and circumscribe our subjective realities. Michael Levin defines the latter as ‘cones’ of knowledge, but I digress.  We think of social engineering as a catchall for hackers and scammers who compromise systems and individuals for personal gain, but it is simply a ‘professional designation’ for something we all do in our daily interactions. Nearly all social dynamics employ these simple levers of manipulation to compromise our reason by targeting our emotions. Carnegie’s book is a distillation of the techniques we learn from a very young age. In short, men ‘speak opinions, not facts. They see perceptions, not truths.’ — Marcus Aurelius. Which brings us to…

Section 3: Heuristic Hysterics and Ancient Insights

3. Heuristic hysterics — Circa 500-370 B.C.E, Democritus lays out atomism while Heraclitus offers the ideas of flux, logos, liminality, and nous, anticipating by 2500 years or so, ideas and developments that have come to define much of the 20th and early 21st Centuries. That we pulled the trigger early on labeling ‘atoms’ doesn’t detract from Democritus’ premise — be it quanta or other, there is a point where matter is indivisible and can only further be reduced to something immaterial, as understood within current limits (see Margins). Einstein offers a framework that marries the two, but stops shy of explaining what ‘energy’ is. Heraclitus, writes that ‘(many) people do not ‘understand the sorts of things they encounter’! Nor do they recognize them (even after they have had experience (of them) — though they themselves think (they recognize them).” Fragments 4(D 7). Plato follows with his ‘Allegory of the Cave’. David Foster Wallace gives us ‘The Fish Story’. Shakespeare weighs in via the monologues of Polonius or Jacques. Now, the aptly named J.T. Webb telescope is upending physics and cosmology — the very fabric of our reality is turning to vapour before our eyes. In such chaos, the only lodestar remaining is to ‘know thyself and to thine own self be true, for the unexamined life is not worth living.’ Family, community, and society — they craft the masks and write the parts. Improvise at your peril. Bottom line — most people are only half-awake, cozy in their blanket conformity, the collective thumb of the lowest common denominator mashing the snooze button. 

Section 4: Confronting Mortality and the Fear of Death

4. Becker suggested that we are motivated by the fear of death. Nietzsche described a death drive. I submit that death is the portemanteau for that which is fundamental to all anxieties and fears — impotence. Chaos, randomness, unpredictability, the unknown, these are the traits of uncertainty, in the face of which we are ignorant and lack control. Collectively, they represent one of our greatest frustrations — the future, the unknown — of which death is but one form. Burton provides contemplations on this from a variety of perspectives in his book ‘On Being Certain’. My point is, we like patterns, order, and structure. When they’re absent, we are disoriented.

Plato’s Allegory of The Cave. Thales’ Ship. Erving Goffman. Shakespeare via Polonius (Hamlet) and Jacques (As You Like It). John Searle. Sam Vaknin’s Theory of Self-States. Dabrowski’s Theory of Positive Disintegration and Personality Shaping via TPD. 

The World truly is a stage, and we are actors, wearing a variety of ready-made masks, playing many roles. What we call a core or self is an amalgam of these. 

Calhoun’s Rat Utopia experiments. 

The Parker Probe has traveled nearly 90M miles, screaming towards the Sun at 430,000mph, and expected to pass within 3.8M miles from it — the fastest craft ever built. D.A.R.T. hit its bullseye last September. We have RC robots and drones on Mars. The Webb telescope has broadened our understanding of the Universe. Lidar, Side-Scan Sonar, and Ground Penetrating Radar have uncovered ancient mysteries that would otherwise remain entombed. Electron microscopes and particle colliders are allowing us to peer ever deeper into the fabric of our reality.

100 years ago, W.J. Sidis penned a slim book titled ‘The Animate and the Inanimate’ in which he challenges the 2nd law of thermodynamics, proposing the existence of a counter-mechanism, hinting at something akin to what J.A. Wheeler would term, some 50 years later, a ‘black hole’. I expect everyone is familiar with the academic lineage of Bohr, Wheeler, Feynman, three of the most intuitive and prolific minds in physics. As an aside, Wheeler praised the I.S.P.E.’s 1992 essay compilation titled  ‘Thinking On The Edge”.  I digress. 

Another 50 years has provided us with tangible evidence of black holes and, thanks to the contributions of Heisenberg, Schrodinger, Schwarzchild, Hawking, Thorne, Susskind, et al, a far deeper understanding. Voyager 1 (originally Mariner) launched in 1977, poked through the heliopause a decade ago, and is currently transmitting from roughly 15.5B miles distant. 

We’ve got A.I. powered supercomputers crammed in our pockets with 1M x the RAM, 4M x the ROM, and 100k x the processing that landed Apollo 11. All of our ‘Maslow Daily Recommended Needs’ are on tap. Flying cars? For a paltry $250k, you can be a Jetson too, or a Cousteau, or an astronaut. 

At the turn of the 20th Century, wars were still fought with rifles and sabers on horseback, roads were mud or cobble, sidewalks were wood or stone (often doubling as public toilets). Nikola Tesla is unwittingly shaping modern society —  radio communication, alternating current, wireless lighting, x-ray (before Röntgen), wireless power, turbines, engines, generators, remote control,  the Niagara project, etc — rewarded with theft, sabotage, ridicule, litigation, and a pauper’s death.

Now, we’re approaching 200M vehicles belching fumes on well-drained and well-maintained public roads — larded with asphalt, lined with concrete sidewalks, metal guardrails and  automated lights. There’s some 730,000+ miles of pipeline underground, over twice the length of global railways. Advances in medicine, computing, engineering, sciences, physics, mathematics — what’s to say other than ‘wow’? Once unthinkable, now manifest. And we make it so.

Section 5: Family Dynamics and the Lottery of Relationships

Jacobsen: How do you see relationships with siblings developing over childhood, adolescence, and adulthood?

Roberge: Families — it’s a lottery. Some are great (or good enough) while others are downright dysfunctional and detrimental, which returns us to the above. We know better, but fuck it up anyways. We insist we have free will and agency, that we are upright, civilized — meanwhile, we’re slaves to our emotions, passions, desires, superstitions, fears. Until recently, I’d have taken a bullet for any of them. Now, I realize how little we truly know (knew) each other and how toxic our environment was. I don’t harbor ill-feelings and wish them all health and happiness. I just didn’t want them in my life any longer — partly to spare them (myself, equally), partly because I’m done.

Section 6: Nostalgia, Regret, and Shifting Work Ethic

Jacobsen: Do you resonate with that “deep nostalgia and regret” to this day?

Roberge: I prefer John Koenig’s coinage ‘anemoia’ from his ‘Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows’, describing nostalgia for something never directly experienced. I think we all experience grief for the en-passant losses. We tend to fantasize about the ‘roads not taken’ or those we were barred from.  Regrets? I have had a few. Nostalgia? None.

Jacobsen: Do you feel as though you took on that same work ethic?

Roberge: Not as consistently. He was unusually hale. I began to struggle with depression and inflammation (migraines, restless legs, insomnia, psoriasis, joint pain, …) when I was 9.  He smoked three packs a day, ate sugar pie for breakfast, and drank Pepsi by the gallon. I don’t recall him ever taking a sick day. He retired in his 60s only to return to work, on and off, into his 70s. Even then, most guys in their 20s had a hard time keeping up. That’s when it all caught up with him — diabetes and cancer. He survived a first bout, not the second. 

He built himself a hunt camp 15-20 years ago, humping everything on foot up and down a ¼ mile stretch of mud trail – plywood, studs, drywall, cement bags, asphalt shingles, carpet and linoleum, cabinets and countertop.

Section 7: Personal Struggles with Mental Health and Suicidality

Jacobsen: What do you make, in hindsight, of your own attempts at ending your life? 

Roberge: Bipolar Disorder is a double whammy, and often comorbid with at least one other serious disorder (mine include ADD, OCPD, GAD). While only ~3% of adults have BD, for 82% of them, quality of life and ability to function is severely impaired. The risk of suicidality is 10-30x greater than that of the average population, twice that of those with major depressive disorder, with a 20-60% chance of at least one attempt, 20% succeeding. 

Life expectancy is already curtailed by some 10-15 years from the wear and tear. I’m 54. My father passed at 84. While not wholly predictive, odds are I’ve only got another decade or so.  Statistically speaking, I’m already a cliché. The disorder is incurable, worsening with each major depressive/manic cycle. So suicidality is baked into the cake and, frankly, never off the table. There are things worse than death — 

We may have some reservations, but overall, for the elderly or terminally ill, when quality of life/prognosis is such that the only thing on the menu is more suffering, the type that can be ‘seen’, medically assisted suicide seems the compassionate choice. Invisible ailments? Compassion flies out the door. the matter into your own hands, you’re stigmatized. What’s the fucking difference? If anyone dares try the ‘long term solution to a temporary problem’ line on me, they get an emphatic middle finger. There’s nothing temporary about chronic illness, and no solution, only management. 

Most of us can sympathize/empathize with a bad headache. A migraine is another beast altogether — for the longest while, I was getting 2-3 of them per week. The pain was so intense that I vomited nearly every time, couldn’t stand light or noise, and needed really heavy meds just to dull the edge long enough for me to pass out and sleep it off. Sleeping 4 hours a night, sweating through my bedding, 4 broken molars and several other teeth worn or chipped from bruxism, psoriasis,…, extreme swings in mood and energy,…, while trying to maintain a family life and career? 

Toss in all of the other factors such as ACEs (divorce, neglect, abandonment, attachment disorder, self-esteem, stress, abuse,…) and a 1/3,000+ IQ, for example, attending high school with only 400 students in a small blue collar town. The local library had 10 copies of Danielle Steele for every obsolete reference book on the shelves. I managed, but never truly fit in.

I think my attempts, the one more of a practice run, the other full-fledged, are normal responses. Still, it takes a lot to brace yourself for something like that, so to go through with it only to wake up — I was insane with anger and not six months later, I had already planned out my next attempt, but I divulged it during a rare argument with my spouse the night before and she instantly leapt into action — lining up appointments and advocating on my behalf, since, by then, I was unmoored. My pilot light blew out 5 years ago. Try as I might, I’ve not been able to get the furnace fired up since. 

Section 8: The Impact of Early Life Disruption and Bullying

Jacobsen: What was the immediate feeling at the surprise moving time?

Roberge: As might be expected, rather alienating and disorienting. To an 8 year old, washing away 4-5 years of familiarity, routine, memory, experience is tantamount to ego-death. What little identity may have begun to crystallize was shattered and the rapid succession of some half-dozen ‘living arrangements’ over a roughly five year course at such a pivotal developmental stage was disastrous.

Jacobsen: How was the time re-adjustment socially at the new school?

Roberge: I never did. Three months in, I fell into a deep depression and was hospitalized for a week, following which I was returned to my old school, albeit under less than satisfactory circumstances. 

Jacobsen: How did you feel in the separation from immediate family?

Roberge: The rift ran deep. My mother was shunned by her siblings. My father still hunted with her brothers and when she came to town I would visit with her at my grandmother’s or aunt’s (depending on where she was staying for a few days). Otherwise, other than a cousin in my classes and summers at my father’s parents, all of those relations remained arms-length and somewhat formal.

Jacobsen: Do you feel that you missed out of time with your father, as in the “fool” among other youth?

Roberge: I register it as a mutual loss. He was a looming figure and so competent in his field that he felt his success was a recipe that could be applied universally. The problem was, given his limited education and openness, he lacked any curiosity outside of these narrow pursuits and could not accommodate for a mind (mine) quite different from his. He recognized my potential, perhaps even feared it, but couldn’t find the middle-ground (nor try). As a result, we never shared stories, heartfelt exchanges, deep life discussions, or anything of the kind. Ours was a transactional affair, very ‘boss-like’.

Jacobsen: Do you think the grandparents’ Catholicism in any way influenced your father’s domineering behaviour and attitude around you?

Roberge: Without a doubt. When I lived with them, they were already well into their 70s and somewhat milder but my grandfather had a cruel streak wedged in there that I rarely witnessed but knew from the odd retelling and behaviour of their adult children around them that definitely paints a stern upbringing. Superstition is the gateway drug to conformity — the soma of the masses.

Jacobsen: Do you still feel like a disappointment?

Roberge: Disillusioned, which is a bittersweet gift. Painful, but now disabused of the delusion, I could focus on the damage done or, as I prefer to do, focus on the newfound clarity.

Jacobsen: Do you see yourself as a “screw-up”?

Roberge: I’ve screwed up many things, and lives (mine included), but am not a ‘screw up’.  I’m not convinced there was ever a stable target of any value to shoot for, so partly my failures are due to the climate, partly due to the fact that I don’t think like most and not motivated by the same things, and we can’t discount that many of my ideas are ambitious and either lack financing, technical backing, or time. Am I happy with how things have turned out for me? No. But I do have a great spouse, kids, a granddaughter, a place to live, food on the table, my mind isn’t fully compromised yet, I’ve a stack of reading and a devoted medical team helping me connect the dots. 

Jacobsen: How did you deal with the bullying after the divorce?

Roberge: The first few times, I ran, I froze, I trembled, I fawned. Then one day I was subbing for a friend on their paper route and was chased by a pair of dobermans. The next day I approached the house and the dogs started towards me, I rolled up a paper and smacked them both on the snout, sending them whimpering. After that, I always stood my ground. I only had maybe five minor altercations — most recently about 6 years ago when a drunk patron at a hotel where I was attempting to check in was harassing the desk clerk and eventually attacked him, which is when I stepped in, lifted him off the ground and slammed him into a wall and down onto a bench where I sat on him until police arrived. 

Section 9: Reflections on Construction

Jacobsen: I wasn’t very good at construction, but I enjoyed it. How about you?

Roberge: I loved construction and would have kept at it. I was accepted into UofO Architecture but dissuaded by my father, who also discouraged my pursuing a career in construction. Of course, when I started in the trade, it was the late 80s and early 90s — wages were stagnant and infrastructure work had dried up so there was a flood of ‘jobbers’ around. Small businesses were folding up every other day. Still, it paid for my education, kept me afloat during difficult times and has served me since, including saving myself $80k building my own house.

Jacobsen: How was the welcome for the new, first child?

Roberge: I won’t lie. There were some earlier concerns and later complications but in the end everything went really well and she’s absolutely amazing. Only 3 months and already interacting, expressive, two little teeth poking from her gums when she laughs. She’s provided a new focus for the family and I see already that ours is a vastly different parenting style than that of our parents, far more engaged. 

Jacobsen: What has “rug-pull after rug-pull” taught you?

Roberge: As Mike Tyson said, ‘everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.’ There is no antidote — the only thing one can do is invest in their own intellectual and skill development, expose themselves to as many tests of these, such that one is confident, if in nothing else, their own abilities, justified by the fact these abilities have afforded them this opportunity to ‘fight again’. 

Jacobsen: What were the lessons from your first marriage of those twenty years with the woman with two children?

Roberge: Exactly what I’ve outlined above. Regardless of either party’s shortcomings, the bare truth is that I ‘fooled myself’ into thinking I was ‘in love’ and that she would come around. People you share a life and bed with can become incredibly nasty and vindictive when they fear disclosure because they need to control the narrative. She was the consequence of my upbringing — I should have waited until I was 30.

Section 10: Reflections on Career, Health, and Existential Dichotomies

Jacobsen: How are you managing health, and so on, with the current stage of work and limited energy in the day?

Roberge: It’s not great. I read about reported long-COVID (Epstein-Barr), POTS, et al., and many of the symptoms are eerily similar, which raises questions on my end as to what the underlying commonalities may be. Sleep and stress are my two biggest factors. I barely get 5.5 broken hours on a good day and the current political climate hardly allows for much relaxation. So that’s been undoing some of the progress. Since leaving the IQ societies, I’ve refocused on more actionable pursuits, including volunteering to provide tech support for the CFIC (https://centreforinquiry.ca) and create educational content for onboarding newcomers to decentralized platforms and services, something that is exceedingly pressing given the unprecedented level of scrubbing happening across the Web and deliverables (i.e., Kindle). Those who haven’t been paying attention are already compromised.

Jacobsen: What has leaning into the mystery of the god/non-god dichotomy brought for you?

Roberge: Primarily, that it’s a non-starter. When I think of the lives, time, money, effort, and relations wasted on this nonsense, I am embarrassed for the human race. If you lead with the answer, your arrogance blinds you and you learn nothing.

Jacobsen: Do you think an education around scientific concepts and processes is more important than formalities of symbols and operators for those symbols?

Roberge: Language is key, so symbols and operators and icons are all part of the programmatics. We can learn things without them but cannot store them long-term nor communicate them very effectively. Replication (self) is a signature of life and words allow knowledge and skills to be replicated, hence that strand of knowledge lives on. Words describe our reality, our thoughts, allow abstraction and can be sequenced in ways that hack the brain (NLP). But language out of context is meaningless, so lead with the question, follow with the symbols. 

Jacobsen: You attempted your life, more than once, yet have no sway from immortality: Why?

Roberge: The value of anything is in its uniqueness and rarity. Immortality is like printing fake money — it devalues the currency and the product. If you can’t make a heaven of this place, you’ll only make a hell of another, so check yourselves. Let’s not omit the fact that pro-lifers seem less militant vis-à-vis MAID, something widely accepted by a vast many ‘faithful’ — hypocrisy much? So why is my suffering any different than a Senior’s if, as is the case, my condition is incurable and progressive? Every party is fun until it’s not — eventually you get tired of feeling like the sober adult chaperoning blottoed adolescents, the whole thing is getting out of control and you just want it to end. Since you can’t reason with them and you’re outnumbered 99:1, you get to a point where every sunrise promises another onslaught of stupidity and sleep seems the only inoculation against it. 

Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time again, Marc.

Discussion

Marc Roberge’s candid reflections reveal a mind that straddles the line between high-minded philosophy and visceral personal experience. His exploration of “margins” in both physical and metaphorical senses challenges readers to consider how constraints shape creativity and thought. Roberge’s willingness to discuss personal mental health struggles alongside historical and scientific insights underscores the complex interplay between the individual and the broader currents of society and knowledge. His insights suggest that while life is riddled with chaos, uncertainty, and loss, resilience—and the courage to stand against conformity—remains a potent, if elusive, force.

Methods

The interview was scheduled and recorded—with explicit consent—for transcription, review, and curation. This process complied with applicable data protection laws, including the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA), Canada’s Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA), and Europe’s General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), i.e., recordings were stored securely, retained only as needed, and deleted upon request, as well in accordance with Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and Advertising Standards Canada guidelines.

Data Availability

No datasets were generated or analyzed during the current article. All interview content remains the intellectual property of the interviewer and interviewee.

References

(No external academic sources were cited for this interview.)

Journal & Article Details

• Publisher: In-Sight Publishing
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Acknowledgements

The author acknowledges Marc Roberge for his time, expertise, and valuable contributions. His thoughtful insights and detailed explanations have greatly enhanced the quality and depth of this work, providing a solid foundation for the discussion presented herein.

Author Contributions

S.D.J. conceived the subject matter, conducted the interview, transcribed and edited the conversation, and prepared the manuscript.

Competing Interests

The author declares no competing interests.

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