Conversation with Tomáš Perna on Clay Eva, mathematics, God, and the Explanatory Gap: Member, World Genius Directory (5)
Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen
Publication (Outlet/Website): In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal
Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2023/12/08
Abstract
Tomáš Perna is a Member of the World Genius Directory and a GIGA SOCIETY Fellow. Perna discusses:Clay Eva; the traitor of Clay Eva; mathematics; a “deep belief in God”; matrilineal passing of intelligence; an elementary level; Hamlet; consciousness; the explanatory gap for consciousness; defining “consciousness”; the fundamental quandary; personal identity; a common issue in many religions; Jesus Christ the Son of God; and Virtue Ethics.
Keywords: Clay Eva, consciousness, explanatory, God, Hamlet, mathematics, matrilineal, religion, Tomáš Perna, Virtue Ethics.
Conversation with Tomáš Perna on Clay Eva, mathematics, God, and the Explanatory Gap: Member, World Genius Directory (5)
Scott Douglas Jacobsen: What were the leadership roles of your grandfather’s brothers in Clay Eva?
Tomáš Perna: Clay Eva was the resistence movement organization, which mapped the important german military positions in the east Moravia in order to prepare the great uprising against nazists there, in an association with organized partisan groups. The informations about the nazi-positions was sent via two radiostations Eva of the resistance leadership staff in Hostýn to London. Both Kubič brothers were its members with narrow connections to partisan groups and parachutists send to Maravia from London. (One of the brothers was the owber of the hotel in Hostýn, where not only the main staff was located, but also the parachutists sent from London found their refuge.) The group was betrayed by one its closest cooperator and both brothers arrested and hardly tortured and finally gassed in concentration camp Mauthausen. After the Second world war, they obtained in memoriam the highest czechoslovak award for bravery.
Jacobsen: Who was the traitor of Clay Eva?
Perna: The teacher František Bednář, called “malý Franta” (the small Francis) and additively by František Šmíd, called “velký Franta” (the great Francis).
Jacobsen: How does mathematics seem like an applied philosophy to you? Most would see it as an abstract exercise.
Perna: If you take the basic trinity of maths: definition – theorem – proof, you should define only what you contextually understand with respect to basis of some process of meaningful putting questions as far as beings sense is considered. Since the problem of the truth is coupled with the being, some theorems should emerge characterizing this fact. And this is the case only then, if they can be considered as being true in the context of the searched truth of being.
Jacobsen: With a “deep belief in God” to make sense of the world, what might be the attributes of God to give sense to the world?
Perna: I think that the same like those being possessed by a man giving a sense to the God. Unlike Him however, you can never know all such your attributes, since you are part of Him and you can never be an attribute of your own (selfdual, expressed methaphorically).
Jacobsen: Is this matrilineal passing of intelligence being supported by modern psychometric research?
Perna: I have not noticed it so far.
Jacobsen: “What is an elementary level, however?” That’s a good question. I ask you.
Perna: As to my understanding, the elementary level is the first recognizable step, on which a temporality is emerged from an eternity.
Jacobsen: What makes Hamlet a genius production?
Perna: The satisfactory intelligent creative force to be able to avoid in our times manifestable, postmodernistic-like forces making the dramatic figures idiotic via reduction. – Many contemporary dramatic figures – many idiots, one Hamlet – one genius.
Jacobsen: Why is there a premature declaration of premature consciousness in artificial intelligence, or computer algorithms, rather than simply a declaration of some forms of artificial intelligence without proper reasoning capacities – like sufficiently complex statistical analysis to dupe people into believing there is a self there?
Perna: That I don´t know. Maybe, the main reason is an emergency of Uebermensch within AI and aNN systems creators minds. Namely, when an AI-system can possess its own self, then the selfs of usual people can be controlled by infallible Uebermenschen, with Ueberselfs, the AI-system-selfcreators. – By the new gods. And, furthermore, when such a new god comes to the investor, he automatically obtain money for creating some sort of economical Uebersystem for him personally.
Jacobsen: Why are neurons the explanatory gap for consciousness?
Perna: Only on the classical level, when you suppose the the computations performed by neurons is so complex that it is not possible to imagine that such a complexity cannot look like a consciousness. The fact that all such computations must be already conscious implies simply that neurons are selfdual with the neural network, what is a contradiction. Nobody knows, who assign the identity to such an logically inconsistent system, when we consciously avoid the religion´s answer.
Jacobsen: Also, how are we defining “consciousness” here? I forgot to ask.
Perna: I have just answered your question, as far as the mentioned neuron level is concerned.
Jacobsen: Is the fundamental quandary experiencing the presence of God, Himself, only in light of belief in God, where God grants the experience if believing and returns the opposite favour if disbelieving? A certain experiential ethical symmetry of God to Man.
Perna: Some kind of such an ethical symmetry I have mentioned in my answer ad 4) already. Since we are not able fully to imagine ourselves such a great symmetry, we cannot decide, whether the so called “disbelieving in God” is simply not a part of it, manifestitng itself in a mutually complementary relation with each other on the human being´s level of the ethical goodness.
Jacobsen: How is personal identity a miracle? Is there a manner in which to provide a functional explanation for it – the how, even though the why is God gifting it?
Perna: I will answer shortly: Paramatmas in our hearts must be mutually different to be the same as the God. This objective differentiations assign a completely original subjective identities to ourselves. Under AI-consciousness controll, we all will be Smiths.
Jacobsen: Is a common issue in many religions a sense of “superiority” and an “owning system”?
Perna: Without a sense of superiority and “owning system”, there were not erring human being trying to become infallible with respect to the God by means of religions of its own.
Jacobsen: How is Jesus Christ the Son of God?
Perna: If “I am” is the truth, then adding to this truth the words “way” and “life” prevents me as the truth from being the God with His “I AM” in this additive sense. Using these additive words, Jesus as a human being permits to be only partially equivalent to the God. With all these words Jesus becomes the Christ and in such connotations I believe that He was the Son of the God. Roughly speaking: I am the truth is less than I am the truth, way and life and it is less than I AM.
Jacobsen: What values in Virtue Ethics matter the most to you?
Perna: The mentioned “ethical symmetry” via Jesus Christ with the God. So the maximal ethical value is “I am” respecting all “I am” for me.
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