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Waleed Al-Husseini on 2019 for French Ex-Muslims


Author(s): Scott Douglas Jacobsen

Publication (Outlet/Website): Medium (Personal)

Publication Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 2018/12/18

Waleed Al-Husseini founded the Council of Ex-Muslims of France. He escaped the Palestinian Authority after torture and imprisonment in Palestine to Jordan and then France. Here we talk about 2019.

Scott Douglas Jacobsen: Looking into 2019, what are the prospects for increased secularization of France?

Waleed Al-Husseini: Our secularism is dangerous in 2019. We are losing. They were talking about reforming the law of 1905 at this time. I don’t agree with doing this now. Because they are doing this bless Muslims and Islamists, and let more Islamic values into society.

To be more clear, I’m with reforming it to go forward not backward, like what they will do now. I want to keep all religions and religious values out of public life.

That’s why our fight now should not let this happen. We should stand up against it and show the dangers of this.

Jacobsen: How robust is the ex-Muslim network within France?

Al-Husseini: We are still the same, standing for our values, but now we work more and more with other secular organizations in France to show the dangers of Islamism and to be part of the defense of secularism in France.

That, in general, will work, but for ex-Muslims, we still follow some cases in Arabic countries who face ‘justice’ for blasphemy. In France, we still meet to support each other and to not feel alone in this belief and kind of discussion about the situations in Islamic countries.

Jacobsen: What are the channels for the ex-Muslims to challenge religious fundamentalisms and find asylum within countries?

Al-Husseini: There not real channels. We, in just some cases, contact the human rights organizations to talk and try help the ex-Muslims. The rest is to help here more in France. We just give the testimony to be acceptable of asylum.

That’s the maximum that we can do: the testimony for the time being. To fight fundamentalists, it will require more, especially working with other organizations and publishing articles in the name of all of us to face the dangers of Islamism.

That’s what we do now. They talk in the media more and more. By this way of changing the thinking of people, we make them understand the dangers through a different way.

Jacobsen: Who are more prominent anti-ex-Muslim figureheads within France now? What is being done about them?

Al-Husseini: The most anti-ex-Muslim groups in France are these Islamist organizations who just attack us. It is an injustice all the time. They try to make us stop talking. There a lot of these types of organizations. Also, we don’t forget the Far Left who attack us in the name of racism: imagine that.

But also, the real dangers of some Muslims recognizing us in the streets and, literally, attacking us. We’re attacked because we’re ex-Muslims. The situation is complicated here.

Jacobsen: What should the government be doing, but simply isn’t, to protect the nation’s ex-Muslims who are, statistically, more unsafe than others?

Al-Husseini: As said before, the situation is complicated in France and the government can’t do many things, especially now with all these manifestations of yellow jacket in France. The government have a lot of things on their hands, but they can arrest the individuals who call for killing us and killing others like us.

However, you can see how things are complicated even with terrorists’ attacks.

Jacobsen: Thank you for the opportunity and your time, Waleed.

Scott Douglas Jacobsen founded In-Sight Publishing and In-Sight: Independent Interview-Based Journal.


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